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What is ithe best way to buy a 2nd hand car?

main dealer,auction,auto mag/private selle?

haven't done this since i was in my early twentys and then i only bought mingers,(fk me i havent owned a car in over 20 years!!)

am looking to spend between 7 and 9k

roughly how much should the advertised price get reduced to?

whats the must do's and must nots with buying 2nd hand,

things to avoid?

What's the purpose of the car? Family run around? Use for work? Motorway or town driving?

You say you have upto £9k you could buy brand new for that!

You could probably barter about £500 off the screen price! If you buy private ie autotrader you could haggle even more!

I'm guessing your not into the mechanical side so when going to view a car I'd ask somebody to go with you to check out the engine and bodywork etc

Www.autotrader.co.uk

will only be using the car for social/pleasure

yr right I aint got  a danny once the bonnet comes up,the old cortina was a doddle though ;) tis all computerised now!!!

tbh am looking at 2003/4 bmw 3 series coupe only because ive always wanted 1 but merc 220 looks ok as well

aint got the whole 9k will need bout 4k on finance and that aint easy already declined 2 loans wtf!!!! never defaulted on any mortgage payments but have never had any credit cards or loans either,also i dont think being self employed helps.

Have seen  afew 0% deals from dealers but still keep going back to the bm's

SERVICE HISTORY

Are you anywhere near Bristol?

sarf london :)

Ah, I know a good place down here, have a look see if they have anything you fancy. I know the sales blokey well and he will give you the heads-up on the genuine condition.

http://www.harlequinmotorcompany.co.uk/

Sigh...onlyone answer to the original question.

Ask Boshi. (Even though he's trying to get me to buy a Vovlo S60 ;) )

What was the original question?

VOLVO WTF!!!!!!!!!! you aint got kids yet and even when still a NO!!

cheers herbie had a quick look and the  only 1 that caught my eye was the 325i

but am looking for a slightly newer version but if i do have a change of mind the 2001 X BMW 3 SERIES 325 Ci Auto 2 Door Coupe
TOPAZ BLUE METALLIC, 70000 Miles, @ £5,999 would be near what i'm after
 

Oh and 1 thing that tilts the life out of me is the tyre blacking on all dealer cars FFs i'd rather see the proper condition rather than some poxy spray..

Get the 330i mate it's loads quicker. Not just top speed, it's shed loads quicker all round with it's extra 35 horses.

Make sure you get the sport as well cus it looks much better.

Shouldn't be much more expensive than a 325i and you'll prefer it in the long run.

yeah with you on the tyre thing..drive me nuts.

TBF to Boshi, he knows I've driven old Mercs for quite a while now and I told him MrsB doesn't want me driving one anymore (I drive proper old Mercs..M and P reg etc and every now and again they need a bit of TLC from the garage :) )

very nearly snapped a SLK yesterday looked the nuts but only 2 seats!!

I'd love an SLK...but that would get vetoed VERY rapdily :(

get yrself 1 and you'll have room for the baby seat when the time comes

then you get her a nissan ;)

lol

Boldie's requirements were an automatic, diesel, 4-seater plus, cheap to service and run, not a merc or beemer that'd suit a giant german hippy. Also has to be in his price range.

Didn't leave a great number of options!

No Probs OP, If you want any info let me know and I can give him a ring he will tell me if the car is a good one or not.

I know :( Not really my requirements as such though...If it was up to me I'd buy something completely unreasonable :)

although the older bmw and mercs are now pretty cheap to own, you still need to factor in' the running costs. Servicing is still going to be pretty pricey, as are other 'wear and tear' items, like brakes, tyres etc. (A set of 4 pads and discs for the front will set you back around 500 quid on a c-class merc) You can make this aa good bit cheaper by knowing a good indepedant mechanic,, preferably somebody who specialises in your type of car

Yeah, that's what I found.

I have a top class mechanic who can also source cheap parts but as soon as you hear a clonkin noise from somewhere you still shit yourself. Wheelbearings that need replaced (A very common issue on Mercs, I found :( ) and all that stuff will still set you back £130-160 a pop (Second hand, including labour)

I reckon I'll go with Boshi's recommendation and get a Saab :)

Skoda Octavia ftw!!

Yes, very reliable

Great choice, if you're a taxi driver

Soon to be one when I pass me test on 2nd aug!

then it's perfect mate. I hear they have comfy seats that you can easily turn around in to give someoen your valuable opinion without straining your neck :)

You should definitely stick with the Saab then boldie.   

lol..WP

pm me i will point you in the right direction ive bought atleast 30 cars in the last 3 months to export to cyprus,i can point you for the best prices.,.,.,.,from lease hire firms cars with low miles fsh cars .,.,.delivered to yur door cash on delivery from mjor firms if your not happy when they get to you then you dont have them ect,also are yo vat reg?if so i can get you a car minus the vat it dosent have to be new ect.,.,.,,e.g 2007 toyota avensis good family saloon car £5,000.,.,.,.,.
ford focus 2007 tdci £5,500.,.,send me a pm i will give you some links..,

just a few e.g i got emailed yesterday
most of these cars are vat qualifying.,.,so you take the vat off if you vt registered.,.,i dont pay the vat atll as i export them to cyprus so say a car is £11,750 on the list .,.,it comes to me at £10,000.,.,.,have a look below these are just a few.,.
2008/08 AUDI A3 1.9 TDi SE 5dr (prior model) Hatchback GREY  Manual Diesel 16215 £13,950 £65.00
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 2007/07 AUDI A3 1.9 TDi Special Edition 5dr Hatchback RED Manual Diesel 20342 £11,000 £51.50
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 2007/07 AUDI A3 1.9 TDi Special Edition 5dr Hatchback BLACK Manual Diesel 25997 £11,150 £52.00
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 2007/07 AUDI A3 1.9 TDi Special Edition 5dr Hatchback BLACK Manual Diesel 63214 £9,600 £45.00
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 2007/07 AUDI A3 2.0 TDi Sport 3dr (prior model) Hatchback BLUE Manual Diesel 85350 £9,600 £45.00
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 2007/07 AUDI A3 2.0 TDi Sport 5dr (prior model) Hatchback BLUE Manual Diesel 59888 £11,500 £54.00
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 2007/07 AUDI A3 5dr Sportback 1.9 Tdi Special Edition 07 Hatchback BLUE Manual Diesel 27717 £11,000 £51.50
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 2008/58 AUDI A4 1.8T FSI 160 SE 4dr Saloon BLACK Manual Petrol 21575 £16,700 £78.00
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 2008/58 AUDI A4 1.8T FSI S Line 4dr Saloon RED Manual Petrol 16784 £17,500 £82.00
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 2008/08 AUDI A4 2.0 TDi TDV S Line Avant Multitronic Estate BLUE Automatic Diesel 15233 £19,600 £91.50
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 2007/07 AUDI A4 2.7 TDi S Line 4dr Saloon GREY Manual Diesel 29837 £16,450 £77.00
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 2007/56 AUDI A4 Avant 1.9 TDi TDV S Line 5dr Estate RED Manual Diesel 122567 £9,200 £43.00
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 2008/08 AUDI  A6 Avant 2.0 Tdi SE SAT NAV  Estate BLACK  Manual Diesel 35659 £16,899 £79.00
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 2007/07 AUDI  A6 2.0TDI SE  Saloon  BLUE Manual Diesel 75648 £10,999 £51.00
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 2007/56 BMW  116i SE 5dr (6) Hatchback BLACK Manual Petrol 41201 £9,499.00 £44.00
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 2007/56 BMW 116i SE 5dr (6) Hatchback BLACK Manual Petrol 52144 £9,100 £42.50
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 2007/07 BMW 318i SE 4dr (prior model) Saloon GREY Manual Petrol 41938 £11,850 £55.50
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 2007/07 BMW  318d SE Touring  Estate  GREY  Manual Diesel 55772 £12,599 £59.00
 
           
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 2007/07 BMW 320d SE 5dr (prior model) Estate BLUE Manual Diesel 49178 £13,000 £61.00
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 2007/07 BMW 520d M Sport 5dr Estate SILVER Manual Diesel 89052 £14,900 £69.50
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 2006/06 BMW 520d SE 4dr (prior model) (prior model) Saloon BLACK Manual Diesel 103631 £9,850 £46.00
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 2007/07 BMW  520d M Sport 4dr Saloon SILVER Manual Diesel 69524 £12,999 £54.00
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 2008/08 BMW X5 3.0d SE 5dr Auto Estate BROWN Automatic Diesel 13475 £31,350 £146.50
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 2009/09 HONDA Civic 1.4 i-Dsi ES 4dr IMA CVT Auto Saloon SILVER Automatic Petrol/Electric 26753 £11,600 £54.00
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 2008/08 HONDA Civic 1.4 i-Dsi ES 4dr IMA CVT Auto Saloon SILVER CVT Petrol/Electric 42084 £9,850 £46.00
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 2008/58 HONDA Civic 1.4 i-Dsi ES 4dr IMA CVT Auto (Leather) Saloon SILVER Automatic Petrol/Electric 74845 £8,750 £41.00
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 2007/07 HONDA CR-V 2.2 i-CTDi ES (Sat Nav/HFT/Rear Camera) 5dr Estate BLACK Manual Diesel 59980 £14,850 £69.50
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 2007/07 HONDA CR-V 2.2 i-CTDi ES 5dr Estate GREEN Manual Diesel 56599 £14,100 £66.00
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 2008/58 LandRover Freelander 2.2 TD4 GS Estate BLACK Manual Diesel 17926 £18,499 £77.00
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 2008/58  LandRover Discovery 2.7TDV6 XS Estate  Silver  Manual Diesel 45362 £20,999 £87.00
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 2008/57 LEXUS IS 220d SE 4dr Saloon SILVER Manual Diesel 24516 £14,000 £65.50
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 2007/56 LEXUS IS 250 SE-L 4dr Auto (Sunroof/Multimedia/Acc/Pcs) Saloon BLACK Automatic Petrol 43989 £14,700 £69.00
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 2008/08 MAZDA 3 1.6 TS 5dr (prior model) Hatchback SILVER Manual Petrol 10675 £8,400 £39.00
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 2008/08 MAZDA 6 2.0d Sport Estate Estate BLUE Manual Diesel 72576 £11,000 £51.50
 
           
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 2008/08 MAZDA MX-5 1.8i (Option Pack) 2dr Convertible RED Manual Petrol 17865 £11,650 £54.50
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 2007/07 MAZDA MX-5 1.8i (Option Pack) 2dr Convertible SILVER Manual Petrol 71692 £7,950 £37.00
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 2007/07 MINI Cooper 1.6 3dr Hatchback BLACK Manual Petrol 23840 £9,600 £45.00
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 2008/08 MINI Cooper 1.6 D 3dr Hatchback GREY Manual Diesel 43588
 

this was quite cheap,just got emailed it
merc estate silver e280 .,.,2006 70,000 miles avatgarde,,fsh £9,750 leather auto

if i were you mate i would be looking at a e220 merc 2005-2006 auto for around £9,000
these cars last forever,,,,

got offered a 2004 jaguar yesterday nice looking car in black diesel,for £3,000
fsh but highish miles .,.130k.,.,hence the price .,.,.drives perfect though.,.,.,cheap car.,.,.,

hmm i don't think i would take my VAT advice from you. In vast majority of cases you can't claim the VAT back on buying a car.

I can assure you 100%
most of the companies I deal with the cars are vat qual
so I don't pay vat on them as they are exported out of the country
how could you be so silly in what you say
lots and lots of cars are vat qualifying in the Uk

when you go and rent a car from avis/europacar ect you pay vat

all of these cars are vat qualifing 100% i guarantee you my life on it.,.,.,some people ehhh???.,

heres one i been looking at buying today if i buy it .,.,it will be minus the vat as i will export it out of the uk VAT QUALIFYING.,.,.,


2006 MERCEDES-BENZ S CLASS S320L CDI 4DR AUTO VAT QULIFYING
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201028363402972/sort/priceasc/usedcars/body-type/saloon/maximum-age/up_to_4_years_old/model/s_class/make/mercedes-benz/radius/1500/keywords/vat/page/1/postcode/cf32eq?logcode=p

Yes but if a company buys a car in the UK they cannot claim the VAT back.
Dont know how it works with your exports, but if you were to buy it and then sell it to someone in the UK and avoided paying the VAT it would be illegal.

this why I asked in my first post if CIA was vat reg if he were
he could put the car through his business so long as it was vat qualifying
say he gave £10,000 plus the vat for a car
then in 5 years time he sold it for £5,000 plus the vat he would gain a further
8 and 3/4 vat relief hence a saving of £875

cars can only be vat qualifying if they have been exclusively registered ass dealer demonstrators from new. It doesnt really matter to joe public, but if it is going to be used in. a purely business function (wedding car, chauffuer service etc), then the purchasing' company can claim the VAT back on the purchase price from the dealership.(provided they are vat registered). For business contract hire deals, companies can normally claim back 50% of the VAT on the rentals.

In the case of export then it is true the' the VAT element of the purchase by the purchaser can be offset /claimed back in his/her quarterly VAT return, but of course, nothing is for free, and upon import to another country then an Element of Import Duty, and VAT (and any other vehicle taxes - such as VRT in Ireland) will have to be paid.

I aint VAT :(

how can he sell it for 5K plus the VAT ? there. is no VAT on 'used' cars. Plus unless this company vehicle purchase was 100% for business use, then the company cannot offset the VAT element of the purchase price.

A lot of VAT dodging ITT.

There is only VAT on used cars that were originally VAT qualifying.

The point is Sofa that even if Cia is vat registered he cannot claim the VAT back.
You can only claim the VAT back if you can ensure that it cannot be used privately which is almost impossible.
He would have to have business only insurance etc

unless things have changed dramatically over the last few years, pretty much any ex company/lease/contract hire/motability car is VAT qualifying until sold to Joe Public. That's why really old vans can still be VAT qualifying cos they've been sold from company to company to company I think

lol Sofa King, i would leave the VAT advice if i was you. Its so bad it's embarrassing

just because someone is VAT registered doesn't mean they can claim the VAT back on a car purchase. It would have to be used purely for business, which obviously isn't the case and isn't in 99% of instances.

i know what you mean but if he was vat reg and bought a car at £10k+vat =£11750 yeah???
he keeps it for 5 years then sells it for £5+vat +£5875 yeah??
he gains relief for £875 so he would gain a little
imagine on a x6 i bought last month was £45k+vat in 5 years time the customer would gain atleast 50% of the vat relief...

loads and loads of people dont realise there is vat on lots of car but most of the time traders just add it into the price.,.,i bout 3 vectras 2 weeks ago 07 plates £7k each minus the vat they wen to to cyprus
im doing this nearly every day i do know a little bit about it,i need to know about it .,.,.,
there are lots of times heres one for e.g i phoned a company in northern ireland jkc bmw,,, they were advertising a bmw 320 in white 2009 convertable m sport for £29k,,,,it didnt say vat qualifing.,., i spoke to the manager he made a few phone calls and came back with the price £29k-vat he didnt even know it was vat qual ,,i bought it and its being del to southampton monday with no vat for sure ,,,when it lands in cyprus my partner out there gets the car from the port then goes to register it these aprox figures £4k then he pays the duty on it not the vat the duty which goes on engine size and eeissions this could be £8k then customs £3k then vat @a reduced rate because of the duty paid another £3k shipping £500 some more paperwork and clearing fees £500 so now its upto about £20k worth of ex's the car now in cyprus costs us nearly £50k it will sell for e65.000 euros about £58k £8k profit not bad.,.,.,

but just look at this i had to get a customer from nicosia...,.,ferrari 6.0 litre engine the car cost £22k all the ex's coz of the size of the engine was £34k he only paid £22k for the car it was quite old,,,he paid more in duty and reg costs than the car was worth

it is against the european law for any car to be exported to another european country and charge ridiculous ammounts of DUTY on it but,cyprus breaks this law every year since being in the eu as they generate over e30 million euros a year in revenue for the goverment but they only get fined e5 million a year from the european union.,,,.,.,.,

everybody knows its wrong but they do it..,you cant do anything about it.,.,when greekstien comes on ask him .,.,.,
or for a laugh have a look on the cyprus autotrader at the prices.,.you will piss yourself at the prices..,.,
merc e270 2007 ere in the uk aprox price £12k cyprus price e35,000 euros aprox £30k

the bigger the car in cyprus the bigger the price.,.,.,

put your money where your mouth is i give you 100/1 as much as you like

i just re read your staement and it seems as if your now changing it.,.,.,>

i can buy this car in the uk for £35- the vat then export it to cyprus
see below its for sale in cyprus for e69,000 euros about £62k pounds
just an eg
http://www.autotradercy.com/index.php?make=19&typeofvehicle=...&gearbox=...&model=952&extcolor=...&year=&sub=Search&submit1=1&p=search

well i'll stop here because its not really worth it. Not sure what you are offering 100/1 on but if it is regarding tax advice i'd probably take those odds.

i haven't changed anything - the 1% refers to people who use the car wholly for business (ie don't take it home) or cars used wholly or mainly for taxis. Not sure that these instances are relevant to OP. Car traders can reclaim VAT because they are acquiring vehicles for resale, not usage. Again. irrelevant to OP buying a second hand car

All this about exporting to Cyprus is of no real benefit to OP and is irrelevant to buying a car in the UK.

you are saying that if you are VAT registered you can claim back VAT on a car, which is a rather sweeping statement that is fundamentally incorrect.

Pretty sure OP lives in London, so this is all pretty irrelevant.

right this is the last time.,.,.,
i said to cia i can get you a car vat qualifying if you are vat reg this would benefit him.,.,.,
then you say blah blah blah no used cars are vat qualifying ect.,.,.,
then i felt i had to explain in detail how i know that used cars are vat qualifying hence the cypriot saga and how i know for sure.,.,.,end of.,.,

so what car did i get and did i pay VAT?  :dontask:

NH. Sir

that's the point it won't benefit him. VAT is complicated but basically even if "VAT qualifying", you can't claim VAT back from HMRC on a car purchase when used personally. So he gets no benefit unless he is dishonest - not sure how many other ways it can be said

fm thats why i asked if he was vat reg in the begining.,.,then a few blondes said.,.,.,ooooooh.,.,ahhhhh.,.,., is there vat on used cars.,.,.,.,i know hes in the building game or he was when he came to cyprus.,.,.,hence i thought he might be vat reg.,.,bloody hell.,.,is this a wind up.,./?

Even if he was VAT registered it doesn't mean he could reclaim the VAT.

lol nice level.

its quite clear you know everything about VAT, so i am wasting effort

Why the fuk have I just bought my accountant a ml Merc but it had to be vat qualifying then FFS

dunno, ask him.

maybe he is hoping it is a van

If I buy a used car, can I claim the VAT back?

LOL

Must be nice to have an accountant who risks his career for 17.5% of the value of his car.

I can just imagine him now having the rear windows filled in.

Of course Kinboshi can claim the VAT back.

wait until VAT rate goes up to 20% then claim 20% back, simples

What a fantastic plan.

All our VAT claims are now officially on hold.

Sofa.

If a car is VAT qualifying it means that at every stage of it's life it had VAT charged on it's sale and that VAT was subsequently recovered.

If at any stage it was sold to someone privately or if a company didn't reclaim the VAT then it would be non qualifying.

If it's non qualifying it should in theory be cheaper because at the point of sale it shouldn't have 17.5% added.

If there are several identical cars advertised at the same cost inclusive of VAT then someone who can legally reclaim the VAT would be better off going for one which was VAT qualifying as this car is effectively cheaper.

If you yourself purchase a VAT qualifying car but don't reclaim the VAT you immediately turn it in to a non VAT qualifying car. To keep it as a VAT qualifying car you would have to reclaim the VAT then sell in on to your acountant with VAT added back on to whatever you charge for it.

If it is not a Vat-Q car it's called Margin . Just saves on typing Non VAT Qualifying   

Regards

M

I'm not answering anymore on this thread,.,..

Vats not fair.,.,.

just days to go b4 finances are in place and have got my eye on this little beauty

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201029363966804/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-to/9000/quantity-of-doors/2/body-type/coupe/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/transmission/automatic/price-from/6000/model/3_series/make/bmw/radius/1500/page/7/postcode/kt48jx?logcode=p

I had one of them a few years ago. Same engine just a couple of years older.

You won't regret it one bit.

sigh ffs must be bad if i cant even get aloan from bloody tesco's ffs  ;grr; ;grr;

I'm selling a 1965 Mercedes 230SL if anyone is interested. I took pics yesterday.

Possibility? ;carlocitrone;

Ended up getting thesilver  BMW 330ci coupe frigging fast as feck and drinks petrol like a dehydrated camel

but was a complete nightmare yesterday in the snow/ice any driving advice for snow being RWD doesnt help me thinks

Is this the PAGODA ??