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I am posting this on here, as I am quite dissapointed, in the way ppl act, In gambing, I always believed it was close nit, ppl would help each other etc, but yet again,it ceases to amaze me, just how bad these  ppl are.

My friend who I have known for over 5 yrs, and is a good guy, needed some $$ to transfer from tilt to stars, so he asked a guy called Marc Wright (railtard1).... It was for 500$ and my m8 transferred it over to his tilt account, then waited for about an hr as marc had said he had "lost connection". Hrs passed by and still no sign of him doing the transfer. I'm not saying the guy is broke, but what I will say is this, if you know you haven't got any $$ in your stars account, why would you agree the transfer?, It seems now, one can only assume he is trying to grim my friend.

Apparantly this guy was going to vegas, when the world series was on, he was playing in all these events, showing off about how much money he has got blah blah, when actually, the simple fact is I would rather be potless, than be a lying cheating scumbag.

He has removed me from facebook, I did not write anything on his wall, I just woke up and looked, and he had deleted me, probably cos I did not lend him any $$ on Tuesday night, when I won a comp bck in November, he asked me to lend him 3k for stars, I mean does the guy think i'm mad?, I had only spoke to him once.

I just don't get it how ppl can do this sort of thing, it's disgusting, and it is a real shame, when you try and see the good in everyone, yet there are still a lot of ppl that just wanna screw you for every penny you got.... I think my friends learned his lesson, a costly one at that, I'm just hoping he never bumps into him, otherwise it will be GG....

Have you sent Right Said Fred round?

for a man who has backed more sunday major binks than Johnnybax and moorman combined - the kid has done well to go busto!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/railtard1-ddfromds-scammer-851123/

It never ends.

I never said he was broke?..... He was the one talking so much abut going world series, Italy, etc etc, yet no sign of him....... All Im asking is why have a few ppl been removed from facebook?, and why has te $$ not been sentto my friend ????

Just because ppl win big, does not mean they are actually nice ppl.

"Just because ppl win big, does not mean they are actually nice ppl"


Lol what? Who ever inferred there was a correlation between the 2?

And what would right said fred do?

Obviously no one likes to believe it, as they see all this young talent coming through, but Im afraid to say some ppl are jus scum.

dreenie - i wasnt disagreeing - more saying "cor blimey - if he is busto hes spent some dimes"

sorry to hear your mate got grimmed - wp in outing him

LOL at the fact that I am rubbish with putting what I want to say in words.  The simple FACT is, My friend transferred $$ to RAILTARD1 and was wating over 24 hrs for them to be sent on stars, and still, has yet to recieve them, when marc was braggng he had 100k in there, would someone like to explain that, rather than making fun at the way I word my English.

If he said he had 0 in there would ur friend have sent him $500?

He is obv busto and chasing a score. Standard.

It is pretty obvious he is busto, he never had 100k on stars at the time and he has been lying/scamming ppl in recent times. Happens quite a bit in the poker community unfortunately.

Yo dreenie, check the 2+2 thread.

Your English is fine. x

[ ] shocked

Is it the same Marc who was struggling to stake Trigg the weekend before last?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=49060.0

Stop being naieve!! Jesus- he aint doing it unless he was busto

Marc staked me for a while. He was always super weird with transfers etc, sometimes taking unnecessarily long, sometimes disappearing from contact and his excuses and bullshit as to why was always absolute top drawer stuff.

He has knocked several people in the past and continues to do so.

Recently we had an argument on a thread somewhere along these lines when I called him out for this. We continued our arguing in private, by text where he said to me that he owed no-one in the poker community money. I offered him a $200 per person bet that for everyone I named he would pay me $200 if he did indeed owe them money and I would pay him the same amount for each person I named incorrectly.

[  ] He was willing to accept this bet. [  ] It surprises me as to why.

One time someone owed me some money and could xfer on stars (around $1100) and I wanted to collect so asked Marc (who regularly bragged about how he had a £250k roll and was gonna be the next mooman etc (lol)) if he could take the money on my behalf and pay me by bank xfer the next day. Anyway, I waited for three weeks before I was paid in full (well almost, $9 short) in three separate installments on full tilt.

The guy just can't help himself but to tell non stop lies. I think he has some sort of narcissistic personaity disorder.

I hope some other people (blondes too) post about their encounters with him to give an idea of what he's like.

If you've had any money dealings with him, excuses for his delays may be as follows:

'My internet has gone down'
'I did the bank xfer but it didn't go through because I got a call from the fraud department because of activity on my account and I didn't get it'
'My account has been blocked/hacked'
'My cashier isn't working'
'I'm playing 12 tables, will do it after my session' *cue offline*

Mods, I realise Marc will probably threaten with a solicitor but leave my post up please. I can back my post up with proofs of msn conversations, texts etc and I can get about 10 respected poker players who have had similar things happen to them from marc to post on their encounters with him. Also, how can someone who can't afford to pay a $500 trade afford solicitors fees. Not happnin.

I will also say he generally repays in the end but just obtains the money using his deceptive tactics and then will take ages to pay.

very well said cos - you seem to be one of the "good" guys in the poker worl, keep it up :-)

Someone at DTD at the weekend, said that you were good at reading people............. guess they were wrong. :D

lol did u not see the real hustle, he tried to grim a bookie       ;) hi cos

Beppe! Hey!

Dreenie, I just have a big mouth. (I think it's to match my nose)

"generally pays debts back in the end"

owes you $500 >> lends $500 off a friend >>> ignores them for 2 weeks >> pays you >>>>owes them money >>>>> grims someone from america >>>pays back the guy he took money off to pay you >>>> plays tournies with money too >>>> binks a tourny >>>>> degens it up/goes busto >> owes X $500 >>>> repeat repeat.

I did wonder why he was posting in the 2+2 marketplace for staking back in January..

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/135/staking/looking-back-elite-mtt-players-603444-post16474307/?highlight=#post16474307

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/135/staking/looking-back-elite-mtt-players-603444-post16835984/?highlight=#post16835984

...when he was constantly on here bragging about how he was backing the entire UK population.

I was going to question him about it after he had wrongly and publicly attacked me after getting me confused for someone else but decided against it as there were too many people on here up his anus at the time.

Jesus Christ.

Shocked and diappointed.

Seemed like a nice guy and a really good player to me.

Is a really good player.

In person is a nice guy too. Just won't think twice about shafting you if he sees the opportunity is there.

If only everyone knew the reason why he lived in Cornwall....

surprised it's taken this long... know a few people who he owes so wish them luck in getting it off him, after last time when he stole a load from eames/pez and co, you can be fairly certain you'll be waiting a while

just had a pm on fb from someone else he owes money to.

Damn really wish he'd taken my bet.

[ ] I'd be getting $200's left right and centre.

i havent had a problem with him

but only done very small transactions with him only <500$

Doubt there is any need for this tbh grow up

ur still being set up mate.

I'm hearing more and more stuff since this thread went up.

Pretty worrying.

U misunderstand Tobe, Neil was just joking mate.

I hope so anyway as I have to spend 11 days in Vegas with him at the end of this month. lol

It was a humourous dig at Cos..... obv didn't come across that way....

I got it, I think Tobe maybe didn't know you were having a laugh rather than a dig.

I still love you both. Toby is like my son and you're like my great uncle.

:(

Dean you're his flatmate, what's your thoughts?

Sigh relegated to 3rd best grimmer of all time.

Had heard all the stories and told dreenie to be careful with this guy.

fkin hell dave, behave plz

how the fk are you still a member

Got fuck all to do with me and i didnt know bout anything .. i just grind sit n goes etc and the odd tournaments .. what goes on.. on his laptop etc is his own business.. yea im disappointed if its true because i havent got a clue and i dont want my name being brought into this.. also whatever has happened hes still my friend and il stand by.. if summit has happened he hasnt dun it coz hes a nasty person but something has obviously happened.. from what i knew everything was good sooo.. toby rang me and told me i dont even use this forum ever.. marcs asleep at the moment . il speak to him when he wakes ..

No-one said it has anything to do with you so you needn't worry at all there. But as a good friend, if that's what you are, you need to get Marc to tell you the truth.

I'm hearing amounts of $500, £6k, $15k, $14k etc etc that are owed to different people

Can't work out if your abs com or a dick.

But how can you say that he is not a nasty person, if he takes $$$ and never gives them bck, or takes ages etc?.... How do ppl live there life like this, it's actually the scummiest of things to do, seeing as the poker world is so close nit, and there are a few I know, still waiting for there money bck...

http://oneeye393.bravejournal.com/

If you got any respect fo yourself, you don't go rund shouting your mouth off, at how much money you "have" - who actually cares? - If you win loads, gl, Imo it looks retarded shouting it thrugh the rooftops.

Prob both to be fair. I snap got an msn from kellet which reminded me i might be 4th think this calls for a poll.
Btw me and Greeky are sorting our issue privately now.

Dave has agreed to pay me when he can.

How lucky I am

Luckier than me!  ;hattip;

No offence Dave, I like you and wish you all the best.

I think you should give up poker and try something else, you are still young enough and bright enough to find a decent career.

Can someone confirm what Marc's pokerstars name is?

Was DDfromDS - but then started using his mates account - Dean23Price.....

I assume Pokerstars are aware of this?

They looked into it but did nothing about it. No proper evidence as deanprice23 lives in same house or something along those lines, fb statuses etc say otherwsie, in the thread on 2+2Marc talks about how there is one score ($99k from chopping the sunday million missing on his opr

Just gonna ask for permission from someone before I can elaborate on this.

I'm hazy to the rules of using someone elses account..

Under pokerstars rules am I allowed to play a tournament using a different account to "The Camel"?

My Missus got an account a few years ago, I was going to teach her to play, but I was a terrible teacher and she wasn't much better as a pupil. Can I fire up that account and play a tournament?

What are the current rules about taking over mid tournament?

If my internet or computer dies, can I phone a mate (who has a pokerstars account of his own) and get him to take over?

Thanks.

wow 300k profit in 2010 on dean23price account and he has fkd it!

I meant it totally seriously, but I can see why you find it funny.

from just grinding sngs? hm

Obv not because of emtagame reasons, otherwise ud just be able to make a new SN everytime u logged on.

stars are super strict, i had my acc frozen because i changed from my home broadband to 3g during a break coz of lagging. if they find u are using 2 accounts they will suspend both

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/support/security-faq/#accountinfo

# How many accounts am I allowed to have?
# One. Having more than one account is not allowed and considered as a breach of our Terms of Service.
# Can I share my account with someone else?
# No - it is strictly forbidden to share your account with anyone or to use someone else's account.

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/rules/

Examples of permissible exceptions that we give below are intended to describe examples of unplanned but serious events which are beyond your control.

Examples of things which are not beyond your control and therefore prohibited include:

   1. Going to bed and letting someone else finish the tournament.
   2. Entering a tournament then getting on an airplane, or embarking on any other pre-planned trip, while asking a friend to play your account while you change location.
   3. Deciding that it would be fun to finish the Sunday Million at Joe's house then asking Joe to take over your account, while you make the 30-minute trip to his house.
   4. You and a friend are playing in the same tournament. You agree that if he busts out before you do, he will take over playing your account.
   5. Your husband is out of town for the weekend, but gives you his password. You log into both his account and yours and play both accounts in the same tournament.
   6. You have progressed to the final few tables of a tournament and somebody offers you cash equity for your seat. You allow the other player to sign into your account, or you continue to finish the tournament following the explicit instructions given by him.

Examples of things which are beyond your control and therefore allowed, subject to PokerStars being able to corroborate with evidence, include:

   1. A thunderstorm strikes your location and takes the power down for the surrounding area, so you call a friend to take over your account while you make alternative arrangements.
   2. Your child is taken ill and you have to attend hospital, so you call a friend to take over your account.
   3. You are playing in a tournament and lose internet access in your home due to a failure of your ISP. You call a friend and he takes over while you make alternative arrangements.

I know I reeeeeeeeally shouldn't laugh but have to admit I LOL'ed a little bit..............

Thanks. That's pretty comprehensive.

Marc was pretty open in using the Dean23price account, so multiaccounting wasn't really likely.

Still pretty confused Stars didn't stop him though. I had never heard of his account until today.

Those who have told me this afternoon they are owed is at 11 people who are owed money totalling around $40k at the monent so I doubt anyone should hold high hopes of getting it back any time soon if at all.

I've just had a brief text exchange with Marc and told him to come on and post. Hopefully he will do and give an outline of the situation

Rather worryingly one of his concerns was that no-one gave him credit on the thread as a great player when to me, this isn't even relevant.

More than the other scammers I've encountered since delving into the poker world, Marc has made the least sense to me....

Until when talking about him I was sent this: https://health.google.com/health/ref/Narcissistic+personality+disorder

Pretty much every single one of those symptoms seems spot on.

I hope Marc can get help.

I know I shouldn't but I lol'd..  But still 2nd imo

all this grimming is gettign redic

If you took all the poker players who show many of the symptoms of Narcissism away from the game, you'd hardly have enough left to make a one table sng!

GreekStein you either have terrible judgment or are the unluckiest guy walking with regards to friends in poker.

Blatch,Riverdave and now Railtard.

Run better imo.

FYP

i would agree with that....he obv has a gambling problem though and it's a shame he didn't learn the first time this exact same thing happened.

he thinks people will respect him for buying expensive watches or for playing durrrr heads up when real respect is earned through professionalism, honesty, class, self-depreciation even... with achievement and skill thrown in. pity that marc has only shown the qualities at the latter of that list because he really is a good poker player

FYP

Keith if only u had half the interactions with Marc that people like myself, Bram, Trigg, Toby, Keys etc etc etc did you'd realise how bang on x100 all those points are.

We all love ourselves a bit

Blatch really was a classic Narcissist.

I think it's a bit of both. I have been friendly with all three but wouldn't count them amongst my 'friends in poker' and I'm sure they wouldn't count me as the same.

If Hopkin, Boshi, Pie, Toby etc ever grim me though, guarantee I'll never touch another card again.

wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

little does he know......................wait till vegas!

Been trying to get back into accounting for most of the last year not to give up poker completely but play as a hobby again. Proving next to impossible with a 6 year CV gap. Now have a foot injury which is stopping me doing most of the types of work i have been able to get so anyone owed will likely have a significant wait.

What is worrying, is how ppl canfeel sorry for ppl that do it?. I mean come on, these ppl know watthey are doing, and it tells the wole story if wat he is really worriedabut is his own pokr ability, its a real shame, as he is a great plyer, just sucks that h is also a scammer, wo just preys on ppl like this, and still ppl fall for it, lik I sai before it sucks when you like to see e god in ppl.

I think Cos deserves a pay rise.

Not only does he look after and protect every UK poker player, he also finds the time to fight crime on the dirty scummy streets of the internet.

The man is amazing.

sigh, ffs marc.

lolool love u x

He is an incred multi-tasker I will give you that.

He's the only person I know that can have 3 simultaneous arguments with different people on blonde, whilst playing 4 tables of PLO on tilt and still win a bit :D ;hattip;

pmsl at Retard not worrying about the cash he's grimmed but upset that he is not appreciated on here as a great poker player.

Personally I'm really quite happy in a kind of told-you-so way, as I called him a tit from the first posts i read from him on AWOP. He retaliated in a simialr vein by calling me a drag queen. Unfortunately AWOP locked the thread so I had to reply on Facebook instead - still can't believe the kid was retarded enugh to add me a friend. Best of all was sitting with one of his close mates at DTD who frankly admitted that yes he was an arrogant tit and always said the wrong thing.

Quite gutted that I still haven't actually got to meet him yet, but judging by how big headed he sounds, owing 40k to various people he's grimmed won't stop him going out to play poker anyway.

Cos - you need a bullshit detector mate. You have to be the most gullible lad in poker. It's nice that you take people at face value, but pls pls stop lending them fkn money!

F U

6 TABLES

Marc has replied on 2+2 incase anyone is interested.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/railtard1-ddfromds-scammer-851123/index3.html

The poster below I believe is Sida Yuen

I'm starting to feel left out. Seems like I'm the only who hasn't grimmed Cos

Yep you are. Even I managed it: I took a wad of £50s off him at the Vic in exchange for the promise of anal sex. Finally I have delivered although maybe not in the way he envisaged. Cos you have been royally fckd up the ass mate.

George2MuchJuice those staking requests have too much of a premium for even idiots like me to get involved in!

Hey, I'm Sida, a few of you might know me.

I woke up this morning and found this thread and the other one on 2+2. I guess I'm bit angry, and very dissapointed at just how some people are. When I met Marc, he was a real nice guy, and nothing suggested to me that he would ever do something like this. This is my story from last night (x-posted from 2+2):

I sent marc wright $1.4k last night, after being hassled for a long time. Everytime I come on MSN and he's on, he'd ask me for the odd $300-$500 to ship to him, for a myriad of excuses, such as "Oh I can't deposit on my card" or "I just need a few hundred for my horses". The few first times, I genuinely either maxed out my transfer limits or I wasn't in front of my computer.

I've been warned by my poker friends who have been grimmed/took a long time to be paid back by him before, but I've met him in person a few times and I thought he was a really nice guy, and I heard about how he's won the sunday million twice already, so all those warnings and doubts were lost in my mind.

I didnt save the MSN chatlog but basically he asked for $600-$800 originally for ftops, to be shipped back when "his american online mates" come online to pay him back or when he sees me in person in London for WPT/WSOPE next month. I assume he just didnt want to redeposit, but alarm bells shouldve rung in my head already (If he shipped 2 Sunday Millions, why the **** would he always need the odd few hundred in his tilt or stars account, how could he not keep at least $25k online?) Whatever, I was 12 tabling, stuck, and I just wanted to send him money to shut him up so I can concentrate.

So i reply hastily without really reading, saying "how much you want, $800?", and he says "make it 1k imo" (Lol how the **** did I get grimmed). I agreed like a chump, shipped him 1k on tilt. About an hour or so later, he asks for another $400-$600 on tilt for his "horses". Truth is, he is broke and he doesn't have any horses. He's looking for a stake himself. I just I told him I didnt have enough money on tilt to send anymore and I need the rest for FTOPs ($3006m rebuy, obv expensive), but in reality I had more than enough on tilt, I was just starting to feel a little suspicious about his constant begging for money. He then says "oh just ship on stars man, I can get a trade". (This should def have been the alarm bell of the century) Obv I'm a moron and after another hour, in between 12 tabling and getting frustrated, I somehow shipped him another $400 on tilt.

Throughout all this, he's chatting to me, talking about poker, congratulating my 50R win last week, etc (obv just sucking my **** to get money out of me). As soon as I shipped the $1.4k, he snap stops talking, and logs off MSN quite soon after. FWIW he always "appears as offline" on MSN, even when hes talking to you, which means he doesnt have to deal with people who he's owed money to if he doesn't want to, but still be able to constantly beg other people who he is 'clean' with.

So obv I wake up this morning and I find this thread, and another thread on UK's biggest poker forum about how Marc Wright has scammed 2-3 different people just yesterday:

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=49229.0

Soemone compiled a list of who is owed by Marc Wright, and it totals to $40k to 11 different people.

I'm not seeing my money back.

one time god's don't let me prove your initial awop postings of me be true...ONE TIMEEEEE

He posted this on 2+2;

i cant find it in myself to write a logn response at the moment, as everything is likely to be twisted on here and what i say might not come acrorss correct. But what i will say is that i did/have made a f mess, i owe a few people $$. Im not busto, im liquid cash busto, if that makes sense!
I was borrowing a ton of money to gamble high and chased etc etc. Pretty degen tbh! i regret it obv, but not gona dwell. Doubt i will find a backer now, which sucks as i have won alot of money playing mtt;s, and as that post said
i have had big scores including in that million (it was pretty soft final 2 tables tho and the onyl reg left ronaldgrauer embarrased himself when raise folding out of like 9-10bb stacks on 3 occasions).
But aside from that i dont mind if this thread continues and people take digs etc etc, its cool, i deserve it. Ill pay thhe people i owe $$ to back soon, obv asap. Im not a regular poster here, but i read here quite alot and obv felt that this needed adressing. I apologise in advance if the tone of this message is not to some peoples likings, its not intentional, i have wrote this quickly.
GL

Sigh (altho u staked me in Cov)

not much of a reassurance i know but to my knowledge everyone he has grimmed/pissed about before HAS been repaid....just not until he had 6 fig scores...

Sorry for being naive..

(Hope Keys gets another good laugh out of this post)

Why don't these grimmers just say to their friends "I'm busto, can you lend me some money?" instead of all the bs?

Not cool innit..........

obv to look good infront of ppl...who does he actually owe muney to? on  a serious note? cant u just say on here instead of random ppl putting oh yea he owes my mates 20k etc ... just say

pretty funny some of the responses, especially from some of the people who dont know me or anything about the situation.

I will try to be as honest as possible in this post, and if i get some non constructive replys, and highlighted sentences intending to annoy / tilt / belittle me, i wont post on this subject again.

Ok, i do owe a few people money. Some of the amounts have been exaggerated, but basically its true. Im obv very annoyed at myself, but tbh as bram said, not surprising.

Ive had a good year in strictly poker terms and have crushed mtt;s. I have allways been outspoken and have never shyed away from any criticism or spotlight. After having a couple of huge scores i started backing people, and although its worked out decent, the extras that go with it have meant im not sure if im winning as a backer or not (its close i think). Im obv not backing anyone at the moment and have like $35k of make up outstanding which i realise is gg'd. I spent alot of money buying nice things, and buying nice things for other people. Being too generous at times was obv -EV, and in hindsight i done some stupid things trying to be good to people! I backed some people who where never going to win money as poker players simply because i felt i should be helping my friends out when i have money and they dont.

Alot of the comments on 2+2 etc r not even close to true and some of it is simply made up to obv make me look worse.. similar with some of the posts on here. If people had better things to do then they prob wouldnt have to b writing things about me.

Ive lost a ton of money playing live poker over the last year, building day one stacks, often having day 2 chip leads and spewing off for no particular reason. When i started to get thru money i continued backing people when i couldnt really afford to which was obv naive, and only done it because i didnt wana lose face i guess!

I then opened a betfair account, mainly to bet on world cup with, and i lost money on the world cup, but betfair had no depo limits so i could literally depo any amount i wnated to on there and hamble as high as i like. I remember one night, i lost like £25k in an hour i think, obv i was pretty ill that night and didnt sleep. But the loss didnt really bother me which was pretty sick. I did self ban myself from there after that, and have not been on there since obv. In fact i have not gambled since away from poker. Getting low on funds i started borrwing $ from people who i would trust me to lend me money. I would basically play, then pay back if i won, and owe for a week or sumink if i didnt. I know i should of tried to get backed a while ago, but too proud i guess, Plus, wasnt sure who i could ask, as all the "friends" i had when i had money, were suddenly either not my friends now, or didnt have money now! I didnt borrow money from people with intention of not paying it back, i just wasnt thinking AT ALL!  

Its pretty hard for me to write this tbh, but felt it was neccesary as people were posting on here with NO CLUE as to what was happening. To clear up, i dont owe cos money, im not sure where that came from. He was backed by me, and left on neutral terms a coupla K in make up i think.

Dreenie has made some funny posts, to the point i laughed wne i wrote them, i think its none of ur business, i owe u not a penny, and u posting here is making urself look really petty. I think u should sort urself out before u wana have a go at me.

Im not proud that i owe a few people money, and the wprst thign is, its obv gona be hard for me to get a backer at the moment which ruins the best chance i have of paying the money back immediately (despite allways being good with backers in the past). I do however have a few assets which i am going to try liquidate in the near future and settle with people. Im really not sure why this thread was made tbh as i dont owe cos money, and its like even like i owe the whole of the blonde community money! I will pay people asap, i have allways paid everythign back!

To settle a few other things that were said on here, INCORRECTLY... my tilt name is railtard1, my stars name was DDfromDS, but it got blocked pending some form of ID (which i have no way of getting) because i had an account with them wen i was like 16 or sumink and i deposited maybe $50. They wanted the card details o deposited on, but this is ridic as its 8 years ago. I played the sunday million one sunday on dean23price, my house mates account, and shiped it for $232k, toby had 10% of it, and he then used the account (by himself, taking over from me after 2 hours), to win the stars super tuesday which were 50/50 in. I was not playing any comps on 2 accounts, no multi accounting was done in anyway! Stars would of not been able to prove anythign obv as its deans address also. I dont use the account anymore, and wont do in future.

As i said i wont/cant play online for a bit untill i sorted some stuff out, hopefully it will be sooner rather than later because behind all of this, i think im quite talented at the game (regardless of what people may say). I will read some more of this thread if it is sensible comments and stuff, but if it turns into a "bear baiting" affair, i wont read or reply to the thread, and ur only wasting ur own time then!

I do regret the way thigs have turned out OBVIOUSLY!, and i am gutted i let it get out of control like this, but only im to blame, and i got out of it once, id like to think ill be back in the game very very soon (after i have paid the owed $ back obviously).



Gl

lol and grimming is?

Neither are obv........

No offence was taken, I just assumed you thought it was funny that I was naive in suggesting Dave got a job, and here I was asking another naive question.

FFS Chris I can't be expected to remember every insult and troll comment I come up with - there are just too many!

FWIW you're the most attractive redhead I've ever met ;) fancy a bit of granny bashing? x

feel sick reading this, unreal

Marc, this seems to be an honest account of how you got in the situation you did.

Don't know why you had to borrow the money the way you did though, it is little wonder people think you are a scammer when you ask for transfers and don't come through with your end.

Why not just say you're busto atm can I borrow some cash?

Anyway, I still think you are a pretty decent bloke and a really good player.. gl in the future.

sorry, can't find thread on AWOP titled "Chris Brammer's head !)" but will this one do? Obviously Marc logged in as Dean and getting him a good name...

http://www.aworldofpoker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=23782

I don't know you at all Marc, and  have  thought previously that you came across as  a bit arrogant.......... but that's a pretty solid, and honest post. GL getting it all sorted.

Nice of you to incriminate him as well.And i'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would consider you both playing on someone elses account as multi-accounting.

FWIW i've not grimmed in this manner just done a couple of stupid things on stakes. I can't imagine it is that easy to borrow money admitting you are skint though? If you openly admit to having done it all in at poker where is the lenders confidence level in their ability to repay going to come from? PS can you lend us a bag? ;-)

Just for you..............

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Yeh good, honest post. GL in the future railtard.

Depends on who are asking I guess.

If I was broke, I would explain the situation to a friend (not a random poker player) and ask for a loan and say I'd pay them back as soon as I've got it.

Going through all the bs excuses surely makes it less likely you are going to get a loan and more importantly make you look like a grimmer when you don't repay.

If you were totally skint I might lend you a small amount to live on (nowhere near a grand though). I definitely wouldn't lend you money to gamble.

+1

He was obv too proud to ask to borrow cash and clear his reputation means alot to him

Ah well now we are talking about 2 entirely different things i'd see no reason to come out with any bs if you just wanted money to live on but guy ITT clearly wanted to carry on gambling to try and get out of the mess he had created.
At least the high stakes HU sharks have had a nice touch out of this story it's a classic rich get richer poor get poorer.

Ah found it

http://www.aworldofpoker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=20508

Just for james at his request lol

Good luck getting everyone paid back Marc and getting back on your feet.

wwaiiiiit a minute?! he played durr?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL - You really are quite funny, is that the only comeback you can come back with? - you really make me laugh, you didn't ask me for $$ on Tuesday night then? - You didn't take my friends $500 from tilt last night and not send it on stars, saying your computer was down?, you did not ask me to send you 3k on stars in November last yr, when I won the 80k, saying you needed it in a cash challenge? - Tell me I'm Lying and I'll STFU - untill then I hope you rot! - Do you think I care one bit about what you think of me? - I've won big comps, tilted off loads, and I'm skinter than a church mouse, but I'm not trying to be something I'm not, I openly admit Im a stupid mug, who fell into the "gambling" trap, you are just a pumped off show off - who thinks the poker world owes you something, get a grip.

Which is just another way of saying your obtaining money by deception.


As for Marcs post, it just confirms Cos's thoughts on him being an NPD, and pretty conclusively

Just out of interest....Does Railtard drive a Fiesta as well.....or does he at least "look" like he has won a few quid???

Heard it all before haven't we.

Accusation of Grimming>>>>>>>Cue more accusations>>>>>>Pathetic excuses for the defence>>>>>>>Grimmer threatens to not post if he gets hassle>>>>>>Disapppears!

When will you mugs learn to stop lending money to "poker friends"?

Sorry if this upsets some of you but surely now some of you will think twice before shipping to someone who "was a nice guy"

I genuinely hope that you all get your money back, and to those of you who say things like "I hope the guy gets the help he needs".  Behave yourselves, deserves to rot IMO.

Sure, I don't know half the facts of all this, but seeing as it's on a public forum, I'm entitled to have my say.

Lesson learned?

^^^ yeah obw, that's why I staked someone about an hour ago :-)

Sigh

[ ] I will lose some sleep in the unlikely event I get grimmed for £125.....

Not every stake goes bad. Seems harsh to tar everyone with same brush.

Can you lend me £50?

guy grims everyone's money, grimmer posts, everyone says grimmer is good decent chap and gl for the future. WTF?

When i win the main at Luton, if you can find me you can have £50.

Mantis actually posts something noteworthy and it wasl less than 8 paragraphs long!!!!

Let's get Mantis to beat him up

what has guy got to do with this?

i cant keep up

let's give George a comedy award instead

^^^^^^ give it to ironside

gotta say I agree here.

I do hope Marc can get professional help and sort himself out but he is an absolute master of bullshit and deceiving. His post tells some half truths and bends other things conveniently to make him look good.

 ;gobsmacked;

Cos obv lost the secret heads up game.

WP Mantis.

rotflmfao

once i was skint marc sent £300 to my bank and told me to get train to, his. he bought the food all week i was there, and bought all the drinks on a night out.
Not condoning whats hes done, but he was very generous to his mates when he had money.

Does anyone else think this bad from a mod on P5's

It looks like Marc has PM'd a mod asking for the thread to be removed as would I, another thread isn't going to makes things any easier if you're trying to put right your mistakes.

The mod then copies and pastes his PM's into the thread

http://www.pocketfives.com/f7/railtard1-ddfromds-scammer-595030/#post5674674


Surely these are private?

LOL, this place gets funnier by the minute!

Is there anything some of you 'clowns' won't defend your 'poker friends' from? !!


AND... 'Surely these are private?' get a life, it's an internet forum not real life (although reading this forum it appears to be some of your lifes!!)

I thought Guy was a bit out of order with his response to you on the other thread... I was wrong,he was spot on

Hit a nerve?

It's lives*

+1mill

Yep, had to think about that one and still not sure, could possibly be life's.......might have to wait for last night vino at Luton to wear off and take my mind back to days long gone by of proper English!

Since none of this effects me in anyway shape or form no not particularly ,just don't really like your deliberate flaming/trolling!!

lolzzzzzzzzzzzz @ this - are you mentally deluded? - I mean why is it that you think that is ok, just because he is trying to put right his mistakes, it is disgusting behaviour, and the guy should be outed and a couple of kneecaps broken aswell! THIS IS THE LOWEST OF THE LOW!!!!

Hit a nerve?  You too?

You were doing ok until you described it  needs a couple of broken kneecaps and the lowest of the low.

Yep, spot on.

Spot on about this before anyone spits out their dummy

Like Blatch was you mean?

so your saying that he does not deserve this sort of treatment?

didnt know blatch, and have heard no stories of blatch being spontaneously generous.
you havent hit a nerve with me, obv your just bored and being a nob, carry on for me

He doesnt deserve broken kneecaps and is not the lowest of the low if that is what you are asking?

Well, I know where you are coming from and I must admit that if someone took me for the sorts of money that are being talked about then I would seriously think about paying a visit with a 'persuader'! BUT....

These people that have been 'grimmed' are obviously stupid, or at best gullable and took a gamble (they will argue with that statement but step back and think about it and it is correct). The guy that did it is a complete knob, despite what his hero worshippers say....AND if I was playing big MTT's without worrying about the buy in money then i am sure I would show some cracking results. Seen it before, more than once, Sarah-Jayne on Ladbrokes was  prime example.

So yes, initial reaction, smash the bloke up but step back and get real, this would only turn you into a bigger knob than he.

maybe you don't have as much money as some of us

I wasn't the one asking if I had hit a nerve!!

I was just pointing out the similarities between the two cases.

Maybe, maybe not...but if I had as much money as I owe I'm certain that I would have  ;D

I thought Marc had admitted to spunking his money on world cup bets and spinups.
Why is he claiming he is hacked on Pocket Fives

Emails received from railtard1:

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"hi, i would like my account closed and deleted please and all details of me removed, including all posts etc etc!
i would like this done as soon as possible, many thanks, marc wright"

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"hi i just asked for my account to be removed, i would also like the thread to be removed that has been made about me, its not true and slanderous.... i think maybe illegal, my account on AIM was hacked, its under pker descussion, and says im a scammer, can this be rmeoved please!

thanks marc"

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"PLEASE THIS THREAD IS BAD FOR ME, I WAS HACKED ON AIM, PLEASE REMOVE THIS THREAD ASAP, IT IS TITLED, RAILTARD1 IS A SCAMMER!"

Because he tells lies and grims people? Just a guess.

FWIW
i thought i would put my thoughts

Marc is no question a very talented poker player. Most of you posting on here would love to be within 50% as good as him at  tournament poker  I'm sure .
Arrogant , obnoxious , outspoken , cocky , and probably this is because he's way too young to have won so much money.He obviously hasn't the wise years of  experience to respect it . Easy come easy go !
He's been stupid with his winnings. Yes both as a player and a backer too.He thought he could gamble his way out of a very ridiculous situation he got himself into considering how much money he has won playing mostly online poker .  
However ,the posters on  this forum and 2+2 need to appreciate just how it feels to win and then gamble away at least over £300k . I suggest almost all of you will have no idea whatsoever.
Gambling on horses , roulette , sports betting on betfair ,poker ,flips for £1k .Winning huge sums makes you feel invincible . Ego overload !

He's not a bad person so lets end the witch hunt eh.

Marc please take some advise from some one twice your age who knows .
 
1.Pay em all back with interest and an apology as soon as you can .
2.Just stick to tournament poker
3.Don't post antagonising crap on poker forums or in poker chat rooms
4. Enjoy the money when you win again instead of degenerate gambling it all away.
5. Your friends will be friends whether you are broke or rolling in it. There's no need to buy people or try to impress.

And finally fwiw i would back you all day long for  tournament poker if i was rolled enough but that don't mean i wanna be your mate : )
 

LOL, it gets funnier by the minute............tell the folk he owes 40K to that he's not a bad person!

In the words of Littlejohn....'you couldn't make this up' !

I agree with this. FWIW

Just strange how he admits it on 2+2 and here and then makes up a pack of lies on Pocket Fives and changes his country to Switzerland.

Interesting post here, I for one knows excatley what its like to win huge sums(for me anyway), and then see it vanishing faster than you can stick a rat up a drain pipe, my biggest regret was not going to vegas, playing in a couple of real decent comps etc, I was far too generous with mine, and the thing is, you don't have friends when all the money's gone, I however, have far more respect for my true friends, or casual ones for that matter, I couldn't do it, I couldn't lie my way out of a situation, just to try and get bck into poker, he can get back the right way, by playing mtt's and building that way, but I reckon the guy should move away for 6 mths, and sort it out, because ppl that never win anything in there life, will never have the feeling of winning it and then losing it, this feeling is a million times worse, and can send you on life tilt for months after, as for saying that we should not witch hunt, it is a public forum, and the guy has done wrong, whether he pays them bck or not, therefore everyone is entilted to an opinion, everyone will probably be friends within a few mths, because lets face it, the world is fickle, together with the ppl, and everyone is very quick to forget ...

lol didnt mean u m8 soz

This is the real world an its general knoledge that most of the old school money was never legally earnt that circulated the poker world ! But instead now its stolen from each other an there is the cirlce of life. But for some reason stealing money dosnt go punished nowadys an honsety means nothing! Stealing is stealing an maybe we are too soft in the western world an maybe losing a finger would make people realise that its wrong!

First part is a load of bull tbh,there are plenty of people who have had success at a young age and remained humble and nice people.

The bolded is just about as good advice as he is going to get anywhere,here's hoping he takes it on board.

the first two lines of this remind me of eddie temples "layer cake" speech

dont get the joke buddy !

theres no joke, u ever seen layer cake?

Marc i really don't care much about what's happened but you owe a friend of mine some money, she is not a poker player, she can not afford to go without this money for as long as the tournament regs, i hope you do the right thing and get her money back to her ASAP. It's not a lot but its a lot to her.

Did you really quote Richard Littlejohn? Hahahahahahahaha

Exactly the same. It seems to be the standard MO of a scammer/grimmer.  Massive acts of generosity, followed by the grimming.  I don't think it's a calculated act (at least not all the time), it's just part of their nature.  To their friends they appear to be 'true' friends, generous with both time and money.  It seems as though this is key to their 'success'.

I mean, you wouldn't just hand money over to someone you couldn't stand and had absolutely no feelings of friendship or loyalty towards.

This.

Grimming in poker is like steroids in sport, publicly shunned but much more rife and accepted within the game than you would think at first. Grimming stories never shock me (bar Blatch) but the regularity of them recently has.

Because a grand to a poker player represents a number of buyins/equity/a GUKPT rather than a way to pay the bills, we are too quick to dismiss grimmers as an occupational hazard, it certainly would not be accepted in any other walk of life. Time and time again poker players will actually advocate the grimmer 'play their way' out of the trouble which demonstrates just how detached we are from the money thats been taken from us (In fact a judge in Mexico or someink has ordered someone to play poker to avoid jail right now). The fact that RiverDave can claim he didn't grim, it was a spin up gone bad, shows he has no comprehension of what he has done.

Its also way to easy for people to play the grimmer 'has a gambling problem, needs help' card, not just the grimmers themselves, the friends too. I think people would prefer to believe someone has a gambling problem than having so little respect for them they would betray and exploit them. Most of the grimmers who get rumbled will very quickly say 'Im gonna get help' as a knee jerk reaction but do they mean it? RiverDave clearly didnt when he said it on another thread,  because he is having a right laugh on this one. I'm not sure if Blatch has actually got help yet, but the fact he got bailed out so quickly probably means he has learnt very little from the whole thing. I cant help but think that a grimmer will be thinking along the lines of 'I'll try and spin this money up and if it doesnt work, I will claim I am going to get professional help'.

Basically its just way to easy for a thief to hide behind a perceived gambling problem.

I don't know much about the Marc situation, my comments are on grimming in general, what I will say is pretty evident from all this is he cares way more about how is perceived as a player than how he conducts himself as a person. Even when he is coming clean he is reminding us what a talented player he is and wondering where his next backer is coming from, when that should be the last thing on his mind if he is truly sorry.

Reading this, I'm almost certain he is not sorry, but merely trying to protect his image for future backing.

I pretty much believe Marc's post and still wish him well for the future.

However, I would never for one moment consider staking him or lending him money after this incident.

Surely only a complete idiot would have serious financial dealings with him from now on.

this

i find it hard to believe if he doesn't know if he is in profit from staking because two of his horses won him over $100,000 profit alone

i guess he was staking several other people that nobody knew about for big losses too to come up with a $35k make up figure that's still outstanding :dontask:

 Just to clarify.. in no way am i condoning what Marc has done . Its just sad to see such a talented player resort to such deeds because of an obvious gambling problem.

Skgv's comments with regard to the public accepting theft and seeing it go unpunished in our western society grates me too,as do many crimes that could be deterred by much harsher punishments.
Seeing as im extremely proficient  with an axe  , would i be asked to chop off the offending persons fingers ? lol
Severe punishment for a poker player for obvious reasons .
Hardly crime of the century here me thinks .
However i would gladly do the honour of chopping to some of the greedy thieving scumbags in this world. Like bankers,insurance directors, muggers,etc
Not to mention child molesters and the like  : )  

This is a really god post Barry. Very thought provoking.

"Grimming" didn't have a name in the old days. And it was slightly different too. Staking was pretty much unheard of pre internet poker days. If there was staking it was on a one off.. I buy you into this tournament and I get 50% of the winnings basis. It pretty much only happened if you had a mate who was skint and you were doing him a favour. Makeup was totally unheard of.

Grimming would have been lending someone money and not getting paid back. So the figures involved were usually far less than some of the mind boggling amounts being stolen today (when someone wins  tournament for thousands and spunks it away before the backer gets his share). You would only lend someone money you were prepared to go without for a little while. Also, it was very rare for someone to totally go missing, there were so few places to play poker, if someone owed you money, they were pretty much bound to turn up at the casino you always played sooner or later. Whereas now, he can just play on a different site under a new name and the people owed money know nothing about it.

The other main difference is the internet forums like this. Marc would have been able to keep a lid on this stuff pre internet days. If anyone started getting agitated or noisy he would have been paid off first. But now, you screw/upset the wrong person, posts start appearing on internet poker forums and your reputation is suddenly in ruins. I'm sure some grimming stories are blown out of all proportion purely to hurt individuals.

this is the best forum ever. what a bunch of degens and interesting reading.

have the police been informed?

Yes Dreenie, how dare you come here and warn people of a scammer! Do you have no shame?

Apologies for the long post coming, but it's all thread worthy and may give people more of an understanding of Marc Wright / Railtard1.

Keith - there are several things in Marc's post that appear to be honest and several things that don't make sense so just take it with a lot of caution. There are also masses of entirely relevant things that are ommitted.

I'll try and highlight the things that I know of, some of them from personal experience, some through conversations with others.

There are also several things that are exaggerated to make Marc appear in a better light. (For example where he mentions we parted whilst I was a 'coupla K in makeup'). Marc knows full well my makeup wasn't a coupla K. It had just gone over $1k (Marc had made more than this in profit from me too fwiw) and I went up to DTD with Rookie to play the £300 + £150 at DTD. It was agreed with Marc that I would play these on makeup and he would ship me the money. Despite several calls, messages and conversations Marc still had not sent me the money after I'd busted the first comp. I eventually got this in full (obv late) but it was an absolute headache for me to repeatedly chase. After I busted the £150 Marc again didn't transfer me dollars, which he should have done, and had plenty of time to do prior to the event. I also used to bust his balls over this sort of stuff because I knew he never acted in the proper way. While his excuses would be 'too many tables - will do it after session etc' he was more than able to keep loading up $200-500+ super turbos yet couldn't load his cashier. Paying back money was always something he delayed at and was terrible at even when he had it. It confused myself and many others who knew him as to why.

I had decided that I was going to try and get out of makeup and end things with Marc as soon as I could after Mike Millar came to me and told me that Marc still owed him money from the Irish Open months before. At the time I considered myself mutual between the two and offered to mediate the problem. Marc told me his side and I listened. Meanwhile Mike provided me the log in to his own facebook account where I looked through message exchanges between the two. It seemed clear Marc owed Mike 65% of the action rather than the 35% he claimed. (Note: Marc had not even paid Mike the 35% he claimed he had before the event had started and still has not paid it).

When Marc had not transferred me money from the £150 I said, I don’t mind if you don’t send and we can end things now as Marc had also stated his intentions to me to get out of backing. (I have some of these msn conversations saved). Marc agreed and we parted ways.

I was aware that Marc had some issues with Jon Eames and Matt Perrins before I got involved with him although I don’t know the latter two well and accepted Marc’s story that it was all a misunderstanding whilst they were all drunk. Marc had mentioned to me that he’d changed and was trying to build a respectable reputation and put things like that behind him.

Separately, when not many other people would, Toby showed faith in Marc and began backing him. Whilst Toby was on a plane journey back from somewhere (maybe Australia?) Marc  won a like $40k in a $1k f/o that I’m pretty sure was Toby’s money, or would have been if Marc hadn’t cashed. Anyway, Toby lands and Marc claims he took the shot on his own money.

Marc also had a $14k bink (that was all makeup paid to Toby) and claims this account was then blocked by Stars on his DDfromDS account. I simply don’t believe this. I think Marc either lost that money or used it for himself. If he can provide emails to back up what he claims about this then fine, otherwise I simply don’t believe it. If the account was genuinely locked by stars, his actions in trying to resolve the matter were almost non-existant which is completely unacceptable considering he was meant to have $14k of a backer’s money in there.

Here is another post from someone marc had previous with. Many people will know Steve Ducharme (post 54).  http://www.pocketfives.com/f7/railtard1-ddfromds-scammer-595030/index2.html

So these stories of generosity (the one where he helped Trigg out, or where he bought Toby a watch) weren’t really acts of friendship and he used money I’d class as ‘dirty’ to be able to do this. After all, he needed to be able to keep some people on side, which in retrospect was probably part of  his reason for backing a big mouth like me who likes things to be as they should in the poker world. I also can’t understand how he lost from staking when he had so many huge binks through people he staked.

Finally, the reason Marc lives in Cornwall is because he screwed a lot of people over where he lived previously and moved away with his brother. He stole from his friends/family too some ago.

So, I’ve seen some good in Marc but his lying and devious ways have gone on for YEARS. Don’t be fooled by any of it.

Until he pays everyone back and gets professional help, I would urge people to bare this stuff in mind.

There may be a few tiny holes in this, but only because I’ve written it as quickly as possible during my lunch break but I’m happy to elaborate on other things and try and fill people in on any points.

Cos

(I’m from the internets)

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For services to anti-grimming in poker, I award Constantine Paperestis this badge.............

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The rest of his team were proud Cos had been awarded the prestigous badge

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Don't know the guy, but based on what he's done I don't know how anybody can try and stick up for him and justify his actions. Being a degenerate gambler is NO excuse for stealing from people, and even if does pay everyone back, which i seriously doubt, how can he have the nerve to show his face in a casino again.

Sure did sound like it

Don't know if it was a joke or not but somebody on the 2+2 thread mentioned Jamie Sykes intended to loan him $50k  :o

:hello:
fml known you longer than all those clowns,lol guess that means you dont mind if i grim you  ;D

The daughter of Apollo Creed couldn't grim

I reckon I could easily grim Cos for a monkey ;D

Yeah prob could

As long as there are people around who will hero worship others simply because they like to throw their cash around and play the big I am, there will be those that play up to it to make them feel good about themselves, in several cases going to extreme measures not to shatter the illusion.  Seems to be a lot of this about over the last year or two, probably due, I would imagine, to the increase in the number of young players around who bink a decent score or two, having never learnt the true value of money by working hard for it.  I can't see many of these stories ending happily.  The hero worshippers will grow up and what will become of their former idols I don't know.  With poker being so mainstream now though I can't see it being a trend that's going to stop any time soon with new players coming of age (chronologically anyway) every day.

I have read that back and it sounds extremely patronising. not meant to, and certainly not implying that anything but a small minority of the young guys have this mindset, but i'm not great at articulating stuff sometimes.

Boy sounds an absolute tosser. Its unbelievable people are trying to defend him.

If the truth be known I'd be too embarrassed to ask anyone to borrow money  ;ashamed;(except my mum), let alone grim them. I'd rather just not play if I didn't have the money, I just don't get this grimming shit.............

Yeh that's the same way a lot of people feel and rightly so.

There are a lot of people I'd still lend money to if they asked though, you being one of them. If any of the people within the group I'd now lend to grimmed me, I'd almost see it as money worth paying to know what they are really like.

I'm from the internets.



rotflmfao

Jambo lets get one thing straight eh.. im not trying to stick up for him at all. just seeing the bigger picture. i can see why this has happened.
 the guys a con man ye ok , but his gambling problem is the main reason this mess was created.
I dont  know him that well either,
so the stories of his  previous borrowing of monies and running up debts are all now coming out of the closet. More fool them for lending !
Doesnt detract from the fact that he is a very good tournament player who will bink again despite him being a total ass hole . : )

It's all about image.

Some players think they look stupid if they aren't playing every big tournament in the calendar.

Remeber that thread where Tony G slagged me off being I wasn't in Monaco to play the Monte Carlo Million (a 25k event). He honestly thought he thought he was insulting me for not having enough money to play it!

The balla dream is all a load of bullshit.

The true role models young players should aspire to are guys like Ben Roberts, Chris Bjorin, Freddie Carle and John Shipley who year in and year out have got the absolute lot, without being flash or demeaning the people theyve won the money from.

And they would definitely rather not play a tournament than borrow money they can't afford to pay back in order to play it.

I played with Marc when he won the million on the DDS account from 3 tables out- and thought he played real good and was impressed but recently he definitely been spewing, playing bad and id say the money has had a massive effect on his game so he defo needs time off

I don't know the others Keith but have played with Ben Roberts live and online and what a great guy he is.

It still sounds like your making excuses for him, and why does him being a good poker player have to be mentioned in every post you make on this thread ?

I guess it speaks volume that I don't know any of them

This is probably a very important point. Most of us have skills/work experience/common sense/money management skills to not have to play with other peoples money and quit/save/wait if we went bust. Online poker and the 'boom' has been around long enough now that for lots of these young guys its the only experience they have had in the real world. They probably either live with their folks or have gone straight from that to a 'balla pad', they are not used to paying the bills or having responsibility, starting in entry level jobs and getting pay rises and promotions, having to get loans for stuff and one day having savings, having to save up for things, having a pension etc etc.

But the reality for a lot of young guys is that they have managed to avoid work and go straight from living with their folks to winning life changing sums of money. They also have had nobody to answer to such as a boss, landlord (missus) etc, so they have no social filter (hence a lot of them are real trolls and keyboard warriors). All of which equates them having no plan B when things dont go so well, the only reality they know is one where they are playing high stakes poker, so they have no other option other than to get money from the people they know - whether thats backing/lending or stealing.

Its very worrying given the variance in poker, how tough the games are getting and also the fact that any day the government could just ban the game altogether. All these young players left out to dry. I know so many guys who would be nothing without poker and lost if it was ever taken away from them.

Now this is not to explain and excuse this behaviour, far from it. I have the ultimate admiration for those players who stay in higher education or develop other interests while still crushing the game. There are plenty of young guys who have approached the game in the right manner and given themselves a plan B and conduct themselves like gents no matter what. Circumstances don't make the man, they only reveal him and all that.

John Shipley a legend in the gambling world. Massive punter

that's pretty much what I was trying to say, but you said it a lot better than I could.

people have asked me in the past why I don't find a backer to play poker as I'm pretty much broke.  poker ability aside, the reality is the idea of being in any kind of long term debt 'or make up' to someone else, with pressure to perform really doesn't appeal.  it kind of scares me how commonplace and comfortable a lot of people are with being in, what is to me, huge sums of money in make up.

One of the things that irratates me more than anything in these situations is people that come on threads like this and say...

"when will you idiots learn not to lend people money"
"you knew he was shady, so you get what you deserve imo"
"what, WTF are people wishing him good luck when he's ripped people off for $40k"

when i started out in poker it was an absolute dream, Spent all day lounging about, going on ridiculous night outs, expensive meals £100-200 btls of wine, drunken sessions in the pits, BALLIN about i called it.

I had a pretty big BR, then i got into a financial commitment with my family i couldnt get out of cos id "loose face" (ended up lying and continiung to lie to my own family) I refused to stop BALLLIN about just thought "meh it'l all be - it normally is" then i ran spark out of money, as in £0.00, was winning at poker, but making bad decision after bad decision and my pathetic lust for the "lifestyle" had drained me - i got into a big debt hole, but not from grimming, I went to my friends, and explained the situation, they lent me money (quite a bit between them) I took longer than i promised to pay the money back which dissapointed me, but I got it sorted.

Without this help it would have been GG, GTFO, WP, do you have a tesco clubcard for me, so im in debted to my friends for this and hope an oppurtunity to repay their kindness comes up in the future. so people saying "why do you continue to lend your "poker-friends" money, when will you learn" can gfy because its not all like this - I've lost tons of money lifetime from lending/swaps etc, im shrewder now, but im still too niave and semi easy to grim, and I hope i never change. People who can log onto forums and make blanket statements like this have no clue about how the poker world operates...

So i understand how this situation crops up, and its FKIN EASY to find urself in it.

The point of this is. poker brings the worst in people out, its not like anything else where procedure and guildlines govern behaviour, people like Marc (who i'v known personally for a while) who are not bad guys at the core, become obsessed and fixated by the poker world (and experiences like the ones i mention)  - not the game itself, but the ego-driven, imagine essential bullshit that drives people like Marc to what he is now, self-obsessed and deluded about what important, and sacrificed friends/decentcy etc to maintain this pointless appearance.

The week before Marc's $232k bink I was chatting to him and he said he wanted a break from poker, said he had 100% belief in his MTT game but HE was his own worst enemy (too degen...) 2weeks later, on "last chance sunday" he's won $232k and playing CTS and Skjervoy 25/50 on stars....

i refuse to flame the guy, or wish him GL either for that matter cos he's lied to me a lot (trying to nip me even the is week before all this came out) but tell him what he already knows, your a fkin idiot marc, no-one doubts your sick at MTTs, you can make money from poker for sure, but no-one was ever impressed with the whole ego, brovado, big guy show in the first place so from this moment on drop it, get your head in order, and start afresh. I dont doubt for a second that you'll be back, and next time, forget imagine, STUPID P5s leaderboards, AND play it straight ffs. And Im not saying this from an arrogant judgemental viewpoint, someone has been through similar times, and wouldn't mind seeing you back on your feet.

This stuff is always going to happen, cos this is poker. And WP to COS yet again....you're nearly in position now to borrow unlimited amounts of anyone on here lol, epic pre-grim?

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This is extremely patronising, and suggesting that only a handful of the "young guys" have this mindset is complete drivel.


If you really dont know if that is a joke Murf, then fyl.

LOL.

gd post dave.

We'll sorry if I disagree, but fuck me here's a novel suggestion for next time you or anyone else goes busto, get a job like the rest of us? Is that such a ridiculous suggestion? What if you do the money you have borrowed, borrow more?

And yes I am in the don't lend people money camp, people who go busto should sort out their lives like the rest of us minnows who have to work properly for a living. I know your going to disagree but meh..............

I also think getting a job instead of borrowing is probably the grounding experience a lot of pros need. Though I would expect 99% would never do it.

Mr B let go of this. You're clearly not reading the other peopl's posts on here are you? That's great that you THINK you can see how this happened. Unfortunately your rose coloured glasses are steamed up.

His gambling problem isn't the main reason this mess was created - his being a conman is the reason this mess was created. As Cos has pointed out, he has history (same as Blatch did - shock horror), time to let it go whether he's a great player or not - that really isn't the issue here for anyone other than you and Marc Wright.

im hungry

+1. Alot of "pros" have no idea of the value of money.

I wish Neil "Bad Beat" Channing would post on this thread his experiences.

His fall from super balla to busto and owing the world money to where he is today is documented, but probably not as well documented as it should be.

The one thing Neil did was be totally honest with the people he owed when he was busto. He didn't hide and he always let them know the situation.

He didn't get a job but he did drop down massively in stakes and ground his bollocks off sports betting on betfair.

Marc and quite a few others might learn some valuable lessons from Neil's story.

Perhaps he's saving it for his autobiography!

Keep making a joke of it

was  i making a joke of it?

Seemed that way.

Was your comment constructive in any way?

If it was relevant to the thread, explain how.

+1

I don't see how being a good poker player or being "sick" at MTT's is a redeeming feature. It's like being told the guy who burgled your house is good at snooker. So the fuck what?

This reminds me of an interview Snoopy and I did with Greg Raymer for blonde a few years ago the EPT in Dublin (the year Roland won it). Raymer actually said he felt it was actually a good thing if potentially top young players went broke early on in their careers so they would know exactly how it feels as it can often be the only way to realise how important BR management and not being a donk degen actually is.

Being a "sick" MTT player is the easiest job in the world playing with other peoples money!

how does half the shit on here even make sense or be constructive..marc's fucked up, none of us knew this was going on. the ppl who lent money will get there money back.. hasnt even got anything to do with me just funny what some ppl write.. i suggest in the future if ppl are lending money and havent recieved it back within 24/48hrs and the person starts acting weird.. they post on here and let ppl know...incase if happens again.. i live with marc and didnt even know this was going on.. and he was still acting the same to me.. be or dont be is friend. hes fucked up too many times i wouldnt blame anyone for never speaking to him again.but they will get there money back.. if there is any problems email me or something.. always been a str8 person, honest person and nt afraid to tell the truth..if  u wanna know anything il answer best i can. or let me know who he owes etc..

Fyp

 ;nanana; to Cos

Geo

Yes you're right,fml for not knowing if it was a joke or not when I know none of the parties involved personally.

I mean it's not like there's a history in poker of proven grimmers being given chance after chance by other players or anything.

Grinds a lot of PLO on Stars as well iirc? saphire1?

Biggest LOL of the day so far.  Nh sir ;hattip;

Indeed.

Big greyhound punter back in the day (pre betfair).

Great bloke, great player.

I would like to be the first to publicly thank Arbboy for outing another grimmer- excellent work.

With any luck this thread will prompt another appearance from Tradeking too.

it really tilts me off when people say internet pro's dont know "the value of money" like only a 60 yr old guy who has been on a building site for 45 years does.

some people work with there muscles some with their brains. some get up at the crack of dawn and some go to sleep at that time.

its very patronising to say "they dont know the value of money" everyone is brought up in different circumstances.

It depends on the individual obv, but broadly speaking I'd say its true tbh, more likely with people that have made a lot whilst very young in a short period of time.............

I think poker players in general don't value money as much as others, I know I don't and I've tried very hard to make myself do it.

Would an internet pro lend $2,000 to someone they've never met if he had to work a month 9am - 6pm 5 days a week as a hod carrier to earn it?

I may have said it in a patronising way, but I think it is definitely true.

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

Keith, I think I love you.

An example of the 'value of money' thing for me is when you see people with a 'balla' lifestyle (not just poker players) bragging about spending thousands on a single night out.  Sometimes as much as could otherwise be used to buy a car or a luxury holiday.  Is there really any need to spend that much money to have a great night out?  Think there were stories on here a while back as well about someone literally throwing cash chips into the sea.  Maybe 'lack of respect' for money would be a better definition than 'not knowing the value of money' - or maybe it's a bit of both.

All that said - it's their money, they can do what they want with it. I just don't understand the people that think acting like that makes someone worthy of idolisation.

The thing is tho it's unfair to say that poker players are wrong to do this and to just assume that everyones a twat,they aren't.I certainly don't come from a wealthy background and I appreciate what it is to struggle financially,however I made choices in my life that got me to where I am just like the person you refer to who has to work there bollocks off to earn a living,I've done it I used to work 80 hours a week as a kitchen porter on minimum wage,just like the single mum with 2 kids on benefit there's a reason why she's in that position so if I want to go to Vegas and flip for $100 coz i think it's fun and it gives me a buzz then why shouldn't I do it.I put myself in a position where it was possible for me to do that.I never had any better chances than the single mum or the worker who grafts there bollocks off.

I will also say that anyone who thinks it's easy to grind a living from poker is flat out wrong,I very much doubt many people could cope with the swings of playing mtt's for a living I know I couldn't I can also tell you from my own perspective that my job as an accountant was a lot easier than grinding 45mans for a living.I don't say that looking for sympathy as I love what I do but although we maybe earn a good living doing what we do we work damn hard for it.

Also I've pretty much thought you were absolutely spot on with what you've said in this thread Keith just think it's easy for people to say that there jobs are a "real" job but playing poker for a living is a "real" job and a lot harder one than an office job.

How would you describe the way you value money Clare? Do you think you value it?

Not a flame, just a genuine question.

I've worked for a living and gambled for a living.

To me, there is zero comparison and I have never been in a job which was physically and mentally exhausting.

I don't mind people flipping for whatever they want to, it's their money do with it as they please.

It's the people who idolise the nose bleed players or players who rub the noses of poorer people that really annoy me.

It is not a hardship not to play a big tournament.

Yes I appreciate the value of money - I wouldn't pay way over the odds for anything, to prove a point or otherwise.  That's not to say I haven't been wasteful/extravagant with it on occasions, but only with amounts that a lot of people here would consider kebab shop money, and I certainly have never done it because I think it impresses people.

Did you have the same attitude when you were younger Keeeeef?

From someone who probably has insight on both worlds. Working for a living and looking after a family is so much tougher than grinding mtts. The beauty of poker is that u r ur own boss. Take a day off here. A late start after a night on the lash there and maybe some players dont know what its really like to earn a crust. However i wouldnt go tarnishing these kids with the same brush just because a few bad eggs couldnt fight their way out the honest way.

I've been broke and done ridic degen things more times than I care to remember.

The difference is, I knew I was being a tosser when I did it, some people (seems like Marc is a prime example) think it's something to be admired.

Agree with everything you've said there Keith and I have debated many times stopping updating my thread incase it seems like I'm bragging when I have good days,not that it's anywhere near the amounts we are talking about here but i do wonder if it pisses people off.I'm not saying that poker is a tough job to do as it's not and I certainly can't think of anyone in poker who I idolise,apart from Cos obv ldo but It's not a stroll in the park either playing 24 tables for 10 hours a day or playing loads of mtts for a lot of $ when ur deep in make up is more mentally draining than any job I've ever done(I've never done the latter but I'm pretty sure its worse than what I do).

I know a lot of people from all different walks of life, and sometimes I get a lot of disrespect for being a poker player, but I never dispespect anyones lifestyle and I think that's important, poker players might haves much different attitude to money, but they might not value itless, bankers in London buying chapagne for lunch what's wrong with that?

On the why don't youget a job instead of borrowing money comment, gotta say that's pretty narrow minded...put urself ina situation whereyouhavea 5 figure financial commitment and ur whole br is gone if you pay it? If that was a bossiness what would you say "oh well declare urself bust and get a job at tesco" or do anything you can to sort it. The trick to stay in control. I never borrowed money specifically to gamble with and the accusation a bit disrespectful.

Yes I would get a job if my business went bust......

business can be trading at a loss thou - i think that is what they are saying! You woudl do everything to stop it going under

First of all, I cant speak for everyone else on this thread but when Ive been referring to poker players having no respect for money, by and large I am talking about the degens, the bad apples, the grimmers etc. Most pro players are pro players because they worked hard at their game and that should not be taken away from them.

However I'm not sure I buy the business going bust argument, simply because there isnt much excuse for a professional poker player going bust. Not because 'it means they were crap at poker', simply because there is a really simple concept in poker, one that is perhaps the single most important yet the most missused and ignored, known as bankroll management.

A truly professional poker player should always be playing within their own limits at all times imo, the reason all these degen/spinup/grimming stories occur as a lot down to the fact that at some point the player stopped employing correct bankroll management. They got a taste for the big games and let their ego take control when the variance hit them hard and they were not professional enough to step down a stake or two. Thats why I cant understand why anyone would want to back a known degen/grimmer, someone who has proven they cant run their own business.

I'm probably coming across as a right grumpy killjoy here and very anti staking/taking shots, but to reiterate, I am mainly talking about the degens who grim people and stuff when things turn sour. I've been fortunate enough to meet plenty of very professional, respectful and courteous pro players in my time.

Including theft?

no obv not, i mean work harder!

Sorry can't quote on my phone, will answer later when can do better fuller replies....

Your posts on this thread have been absolutely spot on.

You're so in your 30s now Barry ;)

But I agree (as a fellow 30-something).  Being a good poker player is more than your skill at the table.  It's that combined with table selection, managing tilt, and probably a list of other things.  I'm sure there are loads of very respectable and decent young poker players who are 'crushing' the game, and yet they aren't in the limelight.  Maybe a lot of the ones who seek the fame/notoriety are the ones who live and aspire to the 'balla' life-style?  That's why we're more aware of them?

So not 'everything' then?  Not 'borrowing' money with no intention of paying it back, or taking money under false pretences?

Yep, in my 30s and a right miserable chuff (love it too).

We all know highly talented, 'tv' type pros who dont have 2 pennies to rub together. I'm pretty certain there will be plenty of recreational players who think Sammy George is a big time pro. Cos Im a poker journo I've interviewed most of the big 'names' and after a while with a few exceptions they have bored the crap out of me. People think they are minted but most of them are cash rich but have very little else to show than whats in their wallet.

I always wonder who is the better player, someone with bags of talent but has gone bust because they cant manage money and owe it left right and centre, or my mother, who plays $1 SNGs and is in profit to the tune of about $26. Obv the talented degen but its an interesting debate.

The guys I really admire are people like Thewy, Clarkatroid, Leatherass, Stuart Rutter, Andy Ward etc - guys who seem to adopt a 9-5 type professional approach to their game. Another player I really find fascinating and were it not for our intense eastside/westside rap rivalry would sing his praises more is little old James Atkin, someone who I think is really professional, particularly since he became a Dad, and has managed to stick to a professional bankroll management system despite having once played some really sicko limits.

LOL at James being really professional,he plays less than me  ;nana;

well hes got a paper round and a recording career now hasnt he, bless im

He told me he was backing Eminem on his next tour,I've shipped him $ for backstage passes so I hope he's not another grimmer ?

Agree with all those names except Leatherass.

Horrible man.

He's actually a mate of mine but I know rubs a lot of people up the wrong way, whats your particular reason for disliking him? (Im not gonna defend btw, just wondering)

Egotisical to the extreme, rude and self centred.

Typical successful American I guess.

Thats what lots of people seem to think, I personally am yet to see why. Ive only known him a year and was expecting a real dick when I met him, but he is actually a really friendly, unassuming, quite dopey fella. He is a big self promoter, which is one of the reasons I find him interesting because he is treats everything like business where it comes to poker, but thats also probably why plenty dont like him.

Anyhoo he cant be perfect otherwise he wouldn't have so many detractors, but that's for a different debate anyway.

As an aside, Dreenie has started to stonkers of threads in her short time here.

I cannot bear self promotors.

This Thread is Awesome and from the heart..

Great read..
Keep it up guys.

people "ball" about in order to validate their existence to others. Most internet pro's friends and relatives will probably think they are a dead beat degen, so once in a while its nice to go out with a wad of bullys to show them your not a down and out.

These days theres two different types of internet pro i know of, old school and new shool.

old school are people who have come from the gambling scene, myself, dubai, marc, penly, camel, channing,the green machine, rooks. VS the university educated academicaly gifted new school who dont punt on the horses and are way way better with there BRM than the old skool. New school are like jake, sykes, bramm, the rutters, eames.

lololol

bramms not a sick degen tho. he actually likes the sport.

Thanks dude. I guess I'm a degen turned professional. At least shows it's possible, even if you have to knock of your missus for it to kick in fully :)

Round 3 of battle due imo ;)

Seriously, just makes them look like utter pricks imo

lolz i was in a Corals today and Jake was just blindly punting away...

Am I the only person to have been grimmed by the greek?

If that's the case, you run worse than he does.

deffo still a degen, just alot less these days, he wont deny im sure

Self promoters are not limited to Americans - you will probably find this trait with successful businessmen in most countries.

Nope, lent him £300 at DTD a couple of months back.

Return payment was speedy, but only contained £299.99.

Twat.

[ X ] Have some plans for Vegas.  ;joestrummer;

My online banking says I sent back £399.99. Ship the hundo whenever. x

Sorry, youve nipped me so many times i lost count of all the amounts.

bro stacking u in cash isnt the same thing as nipping, just so u know

What can I do if i have 2 overs and a FD, run it til theres no cards left in the deck vs your pair and you scoop everytime.

Skill levels like that cant be questioned.

You're so shrewd. Pumping me up to think I'm invincible so that you can skint me in Vegas.

Greeky owed me one time on tilt so I converted on xe but added on a few pennies as I knew He was gonna grim me 1c! gg cos

Posts removed. I am too busy watching big brother to PM the first guy, and rest of you quote it...

Why remove my post and not the one going over the top attacking me typical uneven handling expected at this place.

It was removed at the same time. I hadn't spotted it until you quoted it.

Fair do's.

Any update from those owed $$$$

yep they all got paid 10x what they were owed and pissed off to miami to play with the dolphins

??

Tried to contact Dave today when he was online on msn. No answer.

Sent Dave a text asking him to ship me the funds he owes me on full tilt. No answer.

I'll give Dave the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't seen these messages but Dave please can you weigh me in following your spin up on your 'soobv' full tilt account last night? Thanks.

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/soobv

+1

My read:

Dave will continue to ignore me.

Dave will deny the Soobv account is his because iirc it's not in his name.

yeh soobv that's what's gonna happen

I see Marc is active on alot of threads again, and seems to be in action on stars again.

Has everyone been paid back?

It amazes me how these people worm their way back in like nowt ever happened!! Won't be long before blatch is back posting and all is forgiven!!

fwiw. and this is just a statement of fact  cos I was active in condeming his behaviour before.

Marc Has paid me back all the $ he owes me following a few small scores.

Posted negative things ITT about Marc, but after all of this he really has came across as a nice guy and has offered to help out/ ask how im doing etc etc. GL.

Whatever you think about him or how you view the situation, you can't deny that Marc offering people to view his screen for a sweat session is a golden opportunity that is worthy of paying back any non-financial distress caused to the forum

I know a lot of people wont be this keen to forgive and forget, and neither should they tbh.

Doubt it.

blatch should do a well

 I have paid back a decent %of the money i owe and will of paid everything by january! I will speak honestly to anyone who wants to know / is interested in what happened. Girgy has  a problem with me, and seeing as i dont know the guy and have never had any personal dealings with him, i assume his problem is with what he is heard / read. Thats cool, but me posting on PHA and similar, is not for my benefit, so him berating me for that seems selfish to others who are interested in what i have to say.
I have many times, and will again, apologise for my behaviour. I obv messed up! I am playing  again, and playing bigger volume than most people would believe (55 mtts a day+). I have never lost at mtt's, which makes it evern worse than i went broke and owed $.
I hope in time this site can start to accept me back.
ill post again soon.
gl

Best of luck Marc. Everyone makes mistakes in life and deserves a second chance, in my opinion. I hope you can get your debts cleared and make a fresh start.

Anyone who mans up and faces the music instead of going in to hiding and pretending it didn't happen is OK in my book.

Hope you get everyone paid off, learn a lesson, put this behind you and move on.

+1

This statement tickles me! LOL

keep taking pictures of ur own shit

You want me to pm you my latest addition to my collection?

who is girgy85 ? greekstein ?

Who's GreekStein?

he came 22 at DTD at the weekend and i think its gone to his head lol

Yea the names Mitch Johnson! ;)

I echo this. The palace for perfect people is nearly empty, and the few people who are there probably shouldn't be. It's all about making good and moving on, people forget and life continues.

If you truly have learnt from your mistakes marc then all I have to say is...

gg Betfair and Bet365

Done a few mini sweat sessions with Marc last few nights. I know his poker talents were never in doubt but iv been very impressed with how he actually explains things. Also, he seems to have his head switched on now and focused entirely on winning MTT's!!

I cannot believe what I'm hearing tbh, this is how fickle gamblers really are.

You have betrayed so many people's trust, acting all the big man, so full of yourself, do you still berate every player on stars/full tilt, just because you think you are the best player in the world?

You made a mistake? - you made countless mistakes, you did not just win one tourney, you won countless amounts of money time and time again, and continued to live on the edge and do whatever sick gambling you were doing, and bragging about it to make yourself look big.

Have you actually done anything about the addiction you had with the degerneracy part of your life? - you say u paid back $$ and now everything is ok, but what actually have you done in terms of getting help with your egotistic gambling problems to ensure this would never repeat itself?

Message to all of you, now I know why no one else actually spoke out about this "man" - as they all knew that everything would be forgiven in the end, actually makes me sick reading the last 2 pages, what a joke.

Everybody deserves a second chance in my opinion.

Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone...

what exactly more could i have done? you make out to be some righteous apostle, but im sure u have done things ur not proud of.
I have paid back alot of the $ i owed and will have paid it all back soon. I have cut out all the degenerate shit from before. I won money and lost money, but that was not for u to comment on . I owed ur friends $200 which is why u started this thread, and i have paid him back. Maybe you should move on and sort ur own problems out. You criticize people who gamble, but im sure u used to tlk about how u loved roulette and similar? pot kettle black etc.

Anyways, im not going to get into a slanging match with u on here as it cant benefit me, and will only make u look petty and silly. I owe u nothing and i dont even know u well. Gl with simlar threads in future, i hope u benefit from them in some way.

IS THAT ALL YOU GOT? - TELL ME ONE PERSON YOU KNOW THAT I OWE MONEY/$$ TO? Name them and I will shut up??

ONE PERSON who I LIED, constantly to, just so I could get $$ and enjoy my fixation??

I WON 100K WITHIN ONE YEAR, HALF OF WHICH WAS MINE, AND MY HALF I BASICALLY SPUNKED UP THE WALL ON "DEGENERATE" GAMBLING, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS MY MONEY AND I DON'T OWE PPL SHIT.

you are so pathetic, I started the thread because you mugged my friend off, and you still owe ppl I know, so don't chat bullshit, and then it came out, that you owe in the region of 40k?!?!? wtf??? I would of thought ppl would actually thank me, to let them know what scum you actually are.

People on here are 2 faced, and they get on with it imo, I was trying to help notify them of a scmmer, which whatever u look at it, you were doing at the time, and now you of all ppl are trying to make me look bad? - Tell me how that works out pls?
I have not EVER EVER EV ER scammed anyone just to feed my addiction, because I am a honest, trustworthy british citezan, and when I make mistakes, I have to live with them, no one else, just me, I don't go begging for $$$ to people, like you say , I don't even know LOL, rememebr 12 mths ago??? short memory , very short, you actually disgust me, and whoever is wishing u luck disgusts me too, a complete and utter farce.

Just so as you know, you're not allowed to call people scum on here.

Feel free to make your point, but do it civilly.

Thanks.

Marc, out of interest, how much have you paid back thus far?

$200

i assume from this that blatch will fully 'let off' the hook because he has paid everyone back.  If not what is the difference here?? I had a minor verbal run in with dreenie once at dtd at the table but i have to agree totally with her view on this one.  It is amazing how fickle/two faced this forum is (not gamblers - gamblers dont forget this sorta S**t).

grow up girgy

He's young, been stupid, been a *****, mugged people off, but what you going to do? Just not gigve someone else a chance for 60 years? Give me a break, perhaps it is a little quick returning, but he has expressed an interest in paying every penny back, and if anybody has spoke to him in the last fortnight, you will know he is 100% focused on grinding and winning back every penny. He is crushing and everyone knows he is a super sick player. I have as much grievance with him as anyone else in the past (argued and swpaped insults on here before) but I'm "giving him a second chance" and giving him the benefit of the doubt and genuinely hope that he 1) pays back every penny owed and 2)continues to crush and win the world whilst staying away from the table games. How many people on here can say they have never been tilted on roulette? How many of you could stop yourself? Online its just clicking buttons, but I'm sure he realises the severity of his actions and won't do it again.

so pleno i am assuming you would welcome back blatch with the same open arms given he has repaid everyone???

Fwiw I've been speaking to Marc a bit on msn and he does seem to making an effort to sort himself out, but I don't think anyone should give him any credit until all the money is paid back. I think Marc would agree with that too.

Blatch has paid no one back.

His family bailed him out.

makes no odds who pays people back.  This thread just goes to show how cliquely/twofaced this forum is.

:hello:
hi blatch

The most concerning thing is why you have joined blonde just to have a go at someone, grow a pair and just speak to Marc if you have a problem.

all i asked was the difference between the two cases.  Why wouldnt u welcome back blatch with open arms but u do this guy.  FWIW i dont know either person i just dont see what the difference between the two is other than blatchs creditors have all been paid back in full and this other blokes havent in full as of yet.

Blatch isn't banned, he left of his own accord, perhaps not surprisingly. No idea if he came back whether he'd be welcomed with open arms or not, much would depend on the attitude of those on the other side of his scheme I suppose.


Not sure I see why the forum is two faced and cliquey..there will be a lot of different opinons on here about both Marc and Neil, and how you would regard them going forward.

Was the forum cliquey when your requests on the live tournament updates were being answered?

No I don't think so.


Everyone has a different take on Marc, just like they do on Blatch.

FYP

What difference does it make to someone who doesnt like someone if someone they dont really know does like that person?

Im pretty sure that Blatch could have carried on posting on here and it would have all been forgotten about a couple of weeks after his mum bailed him out.

At the end of the day the place is full of degenerate gamblers who constantly lie about their finances, just because these guys have cocked up big time, doenst really make them that different to those who are yet to slip up.

I dont see how saying that everyone deserves a second chance, and wishing someone else from the Blonde poker community Best of Luck in dealing with their particular gambling related problems should be seen as two faced or cliquey.
 I've never met Marc, or Neil Blatchley for that matter, but, for what it's worth, i would give them both a second chance. It's got nothing to do with wanting to be in any clique.
 It's just the way i roll. One possible reason may be the fact that i worked in the gambling industry for many years and saw on a pretty regular basis how easy it is for problem gambling to screw up the lives of perfectly decent people.

think people have a bit more respect for somebody who has tryed to graft their nuts off to pay people back(never seen anyone play more volume, starts regging at like 9pm or whatever, then if u search him every few hours he adds more tourneys and continues to for like 12 hours,then does the same the next night), rather than relying on their family to pay people back for them. Also, Neil hasnt returned to the forum saying he has changed or anything so there isnt really a thread for people to say they are giving him a second chance etc

Everyone's entilted to an opinion, you all have free choices to do what you  like, it's your life, but if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Out of intrest, seeing as half these ppl on the forum are so up his backside, in the future, however long it may be, when Marc Wright comes on msn/facebook and says he needs 1-5k to play comps, as the money has not cleared on his full tilt account and he needs to play stars, are you going to be shipping the $$ over to him, seeing as it's only for a few days etc? Just politely YES or NO will do?

Would be interesting to see what people would do in this situation.

One thing is for sure, he is not going to make any impact on my life whatsoever, whether he makes a million or loses a million, it's not going to change my life, I am not friends with people just so that I can ask favours/staking, I'm friends with others because I like them as people, and they hve certain qualities that I like.

Fact is I started the thread, because I think what he did was wrong, and for me personally, I still think what he is doing is wrong, I don't see any comments about how has got professional help with his problems, just that he is the best player in the uk, and he is paying people back there money, so in a round about way, there are certain people on here, including himself who are trying to say that I look an idiot and trying to make me look bad.

The only person who holds a dishonest, and untrustworthy reputation with fellow players is Marc Wright.

I dont think I will lend any body money over the internet
its so easy to get scammed

Lend us a tenner Paul Ho.

I promise to ship you £9.99 back in return.

I probably wouldnt lend him money for poker- but id more than happily buy pieces of him at spot. He knows this too i assume.

Is this wrong? I think i even posted on a gutshot thread where u wanted backing at 1.8 or 2.0-1 lol, and offered to buy 50% at spot of u- so i give everyone a chance

what r u gonna use the money for

Kfc

My friend dd not lend Marc money.

He transfered him money on one site in return for the same transfer on another.

Marc did not send his share of the deal.

This is 100x times worse than borrowing money and not paying back imo.

If you lend someone money, you know there is a small chance of not getting paid prmoptly, in this instance my friend would never have made the transfer if he thought there wasn't going to be money coming back to him on another site immediately.

I won't be buying shares or having any financial dealings with Marc.

However, I do wish him well, he's obviously a really good player and gambling sickness aside he seems like a nice bloke.

Obviously its bad, but its not exactly uncommon and whoever requests the transfer should always send first etc.

In my question, I said nothing about staking, I was asking about the site to site transfer/exchanges?

I know you offered to buy a piece of me, and I accept what your saying in you would buy a share in him, that's your business, if you buy a share in him, you see him play the comp, if he wins you have only that trust issue you have to overcome, to get your share of the winnings back, but like I said it's your choice, your life etc.


I am certianly not going to look like a prat, for trying to help other posters, know what he had been doing, so it could stop, and people would actually have a chance to get there $$$ back before it got ridic to omuch, where everyone would lose out.

And in my honest opinion, if the guy was that nice, and had changed so much, like he and so many others keep saying, then He would come on here, or pm me a message, THANKING me for getting it out in the open, so he could turn his life around, and become a more controlled gambler, because from what I have seen, it would of just carried on for much longer, and the guy would of got himself so far in debt, it would of been a lot more longer and a lot more pain to overcome to !.) pay ppl back, and 2.) get some sort of reputation back.

But I'm afraid him just coming on slating me over and over, and trying to highlight my mistakes in my life, (even tho I am only hurting myself and no one else), just shows me that he has not changed, and he actually does not think what he did was wrong, and he still has his head in the clouds.

So for all these reasons, that is why I feel so strongly about it.

From an unknown it's bad.

From someone you know pretty well, it's far worse imo.

You do sound like you're just nagging though

Never met him, second chances - oh yes, where would any of us be without them, third chances, prob not.

As George Bush famously quoted:

Fool me once ! Fool me twice ? You can't foo.fegeb heblhr l fvwr f h

Isnt it....  Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

Classic Bush, I'd love to see a conversation between him and Prince Phillip

LOL is all I can say, GG Blondepoker forums and Good luck!

duno why suddenly this has flared up again. Over the past 3 months i have done nothing to cause anymore attention or any more hate. I have gone about my business and kept myself to myself. I have posted on PHA a few times (not for my own benefit), but i will stop posting there now if people prefer that. Dreenie seems to have nothing better to do than post here. She can continue if she prefers, thats fine.
The issue i have with camel and dreenie at the moment, is that ur on going posts are non constructive. Dont u think i wish i could take back what happened? u think i enjoyed losing my roll, going broke, losing my rep, some of my friends, and any trust i had in the poker world? OFC i would take it back and change what happened. But im not capable of that. Im not asking people on here to trust me, or even like me for that matter, just to ackowledge that i know more than anyone how f stupid i was. And to also know that i have grinded up to 100 hours a week for like 3 months now to get back properly.
Well respected posters on here have bought pieces of me daily and there all winning from buying pieces of me, and i dont think any of them would of complained about them dealings with me.
I can beat variance in mtt's because im playing 60-70 mtt's a day at the moment, so ill have everythign i owe paid back VERY soon. I did owe some people on here money (james keys, dave nicholson and dreenies friend jamie), but they have all been paid back in full. The people i stilll owe to, i tlk to on regular basis and they know the score with regards to being paid soon.
People around me know that i have in no way "gambled" since my downfall. If something destroyed you would u want it to be a part of ur like in future?
I will continue to grind silly hours untill i have paid everythign back in full. I understand when that day comes i may then be fully accepted back in the community, although im not doing it for blonde, im doing it for myself.
So for camel and dreenie to come on here and make them self feel better by saying shit about me, i think is slightly dated... im doin all i can and will continue to. I wish there was more hours in the day, i really do.
A few of ur other points, i do berate opponents, i know i shouldnt  (dont tap the glass etc) but sometimes i get titled with the long hours just like anyone else, plus, i have a winning mentallity and dont like losing.
As for thanking u, i am not about to do that, as it had nothing to do with u, but in a way im happy u started this thread, as i was in a mess at the time. Not sure if this is what u want to hear, but u have helped me out.
I see life 10x more clearly since i cut out the sport bettign shit and my poker game has improved  a ton. I am getting better at poker every day and feel like i am workign at new things untried before.
Thank you for those who are willing to forgive and foreget (even if sceptically at first), and im sorry for those of you who cant... especially the people i dont even know who are posting.
Marc

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pretty much my view too.

I'm sure everyone's glad you warned them Dreenie, but is forgiveness and giving someone a second chance really such a bad thing? 

Early days  but it appears Marc has learned alot from his mistakes and at least he has been man enough not to go into hiding.
Like i have said before... he's no nonse or murderer. So lets put it into perspective eh and give the guy a break imo .We've all done something stupid in our youth , some alot worse than others !  
Ive witnessed too, that he's working hard at the tables to put things right, and it looks like his efforts are being rewarded..  Financially anyways  

There will always be plenty people who have no time for you now Marc. It's down to you, as to how you conduct yourself in the future that will gain you respect, and it looks as though your on the right track  : )

Dreenie... If only we could all be controlled gamblers ! ...    But who would control us ? lol

thanks nigdad

Not an unfair question. It comes down to reads is the short answer.

I buy that one guy is sorry and the other guy is sorry he got caught and off to scheme somewhere else.

Blatch displayed more disturbing long term compulsive liar tendencies. You get the feeling that he's always going to be deluding himself in some fashion and doesn't care who he hurts.

One guy needs to get his shit together himself, the other guy needs some sort of doctor to help.

One guy is significantly more likely to kill a man like a dog in the street to buy himself another month.

Could be wrong. Reads is reads

lefties!

I'd rather be arbitary and unjust. :)

I have nothing against you Marc and no agenda.

I was really surprised when this whole thing came out because my read on you was so wrong.

If you had asked me instead of my friend for transfer I would have agreed straight away.

As I said in my post, I hope you sort your problems out and pay everyone off.

gl.

edit : This post contains a Harry Potter spolier.

Being arbitary is good.

My friend told me of his experience when the last Harry Potter book came out, midnight opening thing at Waterstones. Some pissed guy came out of the pub and pushed his way into the front. He bought a copy, skipped to a late chapter and skimmed for a few minutes before telling everybody in the queue that Harry Potter's owl dies and that they shouldn't get too attached to the owl.

I think that's bloody hilarious. (When I play the story in my head for some reason I think of Booder doing it)

You could change a few details and tell a similar story. Maybe there's a queue to meet santa and some pissed dude pushes in and rips santa's beard off and proudly announces to all the kids that santa isn't real.

A guy doing this is just an asshole. (When I play this story in my head, it's not Booder, Booder wouldn't do this. Booder is a nice man.)

If someone was to compare the situations and ask why one is ok and the other not, I wouldn't be able to articulate what they'd call a 'good reason.'

I'd just say, doh coz it is.

You've just ruined the entire Harry Potter series for me.

Thanks.

Dreenie I think the reason why you started to look silly in this thread was because you made it about YOUR personal dislike for Marc over what he has done. You started a thread to warn people off getting scammed + what you did was right, poker needs that and I personally thank you for doing it.

But nothing is really personal in poker, make these things about your vendetta's and its only you that can fall imo - I was really disappointed when Marc stole money from me, but me and him have resolved the problem personally, he's paid me back and it's up to me whether or not I want to continue a relationship with him, as it is with everyone, I know a few people who have said they want nothing more to do with him, and that's their decision - and it's not your place to comment on these decisions I'm afraid.

It's not fickle, two faced or cliquey - it's adult's making adult decisions, regardless of them being correct or not in your view.

I'm ~80% that you're kidding here, but I've gone back and added a warning anyway.

Please accept ~20% of an apology.

This thread is tedious, but this comment made me chuckle. 

1) Punter A's family gallantly step in to make good his debts = bad.
2) Punter B will gamble at poker with massive volume to pay back other gambling debts = good

Get a grip  :D 

 ;D

 ;D

You seem to have misunderstood. No-one who got paid back by the Blatch camp isn't thankful that his family gave us back money we thought we'd not see again, but it required no effort from Neil at all.

If Marc is manning up and making money at MTT poker (something he's always made money at) to pay everyone back, then everyone should at least give him the chance to have some time and pay everyone back without continually slagging him at every opportunity as it isn't really constructive.

See the difference between Camel's posts and Dreenie's.

Thanks cos.
as for dung bettles comment.... i hoenstly dont feel liek im gambling playing mtt's. Its not something im ever going to lose money at, and if you think thats big headed or braggy then im sorry, but its the case im afraid. Its non constructive comments like this which make me wana not post here anymore at all. I will take all constructive critiscism on the chin, and keiths comments are that.

Railtard - I don't know you, so what's happened/hasn't happened is none of my business.  My point as a neutral was that the Blatch family seem to have acted with integrity in paying off his well documented debts, but somehow this seems to garner no credit whatsoever.

Railtard, I obv don't know you from Adam, but I'll give another bit of advice that may help as it makes no difference to me if you think I'm a nob or not.

Before all this stuff went down, you did behave like a bit of a douche on the forum at times. You often came across as a sarcastic, arrogant know it all who belittled other at times. I think a bit of humility going forward wouldn't do you any harm tbh. I think some of the hate you have been given on here, is partly down to how you have come across on here at times. Sorry if that is slightly painful to hear, I'm just being honest.

I'm not hating personally as I have no reason to obv. I thought twice about posting this, but did as I thought it might help you realise how you are sometimes perceived on here by others, GL to you anyway............

Key comment... His family NOT him... what his family do is no endorsement of his character! Whereas Railtard is intent on paying these debt s of himself. He is a winning player so dont see any fault in his choice of how to claw the money back

Jesuz - I really don't want to get involved in this but there are some really odd sorts on this forum.

Two guys lose other people's money.

First guy's family step in, admit one of their flock has messed up royally and make good the money.
Second guy commits to playing poker and will pay back creditors if he wins.

Are you seriously saying the second guy's solution to the problem is superior???

Like I said - I really don't give a rats, and would never have lent to either in the first place unlike you mugs, so it's my last post.

i agree with u. I probably was arrogant, egotistical and big headed. I think alot of people who post on this forum are 1 or more of them things.
Im happy for you to post constructive criticism and i will take it all. My "downfall" so to speak,  has done me so much good. I see life in a different way (however cheesy that may sound its true), and i value things more now including money. Losing the value of money at 23 years old was not something that i was proud of obviously.
Thank you for your honesty in the post, the only thing i disagree with is that i "belittled" people on here. If it seemed this way it wasnt intentional.
marc

Thank you for not blasting the shit out of me which I half expected  :)

ha, i am/was in the wrong which is why this thread started. I was the sports betting degen with no regard for money (mine or other peoples). Im willing to take any CONSTRUCTIVE shit thats thrown at me. As long as people acknowledge than im grinding hard now to get it all back then im fine with anything thats said.