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As i am playing cash poker now would like some feedback if i played this really bad or ok


Villian  utg  £116
villan utg + 3     £130
Hero Button      £500ish

its 6am and the only people that are left are the chinese and a few asian guys both love to gamble and a few of the regs

50/£1

utg villian has rasied every had to £8 bet the flop,  bigger bet on the turn and always checked the river and folded to a bet
utg +3 has called a lot of pre folp bets buts folds flop or turn not seen his hand yet

so

utg rasies to £8
utg +3 calls
hero Button Calls  8s 9s

Flop comes      8h 9h Qd

utg checks
utg +3 bets £13
hero??    this is where i want to see if i went wrong here

raise and stack off as played. fold pre

o rly?

i'd call to see a safe turn then get it in unless some new info comes up. I recon its too strong to fold right now but if you raise to get it in now your either crushed or flipping and there UTG to act behind still. At least on a blank turn you have more info on UTG (maybe some extra dead moneyfrom him) and now were either crushed or crushing.
against maniac or droolers getting it in on the flop would prob be better.

wtf, never ever folding pre here. Although we arent super deep effective, we have ridic impllied odds against asian/chinese fish.

Good hand to post. My thoughts:-

Folding pre is not terrible in my opinion. The stack sizes are not that deep although two opponents mean we are more likely to get paid if we hit a big hand. Calling is fine obviously and I would call but I would like him to have more money behind.

I am finding it tough to say what do do on the flop. I am tempted just to call but the board is so wet and there are so many scare cards that can come on the turn. I am probably calling for a few reasons.

If I raise I am making as big pot with a pretty marginal hand. I don't want to do this.

If a raise unless a make a raise that commits me to the pot I am giving most draws the odds to play anyway and if a scare card comes on the turn I may end up folding the best hand.

I still have the UTG player to act behind me. I am assuming he will raise a monster in this spot and if he does not raise I think I probably have the best hand. I can the play the turn depending on what card falls. If it is the 2s I am probably happy to get it in at that point. If it is the Jh then I most likely just give up.

Would like to see what some of the better players say on this one as I am sure I don't play this kind of situation optimally. Will wait and see if Alex comments.

I will leave it open a bit longer to here some more

pre is meh, live, on button. against live players. w/e


raising flop is fine, but you seem to have gone to the effort of explaining betting patterns so call flop jam good turns, where good turns are non J/Ts and hearts ish.
meh I thought utg cbet, probably be more likely to raise flop if I hadn't seen him be so turn aggro as you described of utg.

Make it 31 - 37 English then call and win.... Esp in this game at 6am!

yup - people wont fold 1 queen here, plus you get values off junky straight draws and heart draws.

Folding pre is (shudder) shamefully nitty and calling on the flop is a total disaster

Pls never fold here.

Sometimes I raise, sometimes I call. Generally I decide based on reads and/or the minute hand of my watch. This time I would probably raise because a) flush draw, b) straight draw and c) want to get one of them off. If you raise then you're guaranteed HU pretty much as I can't see both doing a flat call. If UTG check-raises and UTG+3 stays in then fold, if one of them goes then stack off.

Ok I called the bet and under the gun made it £53 what was instant call by utg+3 now what

even with the villian that it was. still get it in imo

there are a bunch of value hands we beat and we're too shallow to do anything else imo.

If we're 250bbs+ then the hand changes drastically ofc

We really need to jam the flop tho. Not because we''re scared of a flush or w/e but because we get called behind so often on this turn when we either have to shut down or loose action on a TON of turns, plus we wanna jam draws here so showing up with these hands is great for our range

Pocket 44 ffs

Meh, I guess I don't hate calling pre that much, but were effectively 58bbs deep (as his 8x is basically a standard open for 1/2), so unless we're heroing massively post then were not getting the right flops to stack off on post enough imo.

Play more live poker lol it just works live - although wat ur saying is valid.

Call pre is fine imo, although I can see the argument against. Raise get it in on flop ainec.

In the circumstances described...

I'm most likely to go ahead and raise it on the flop. You are so likely to get action from a worse hand that I'm alright (not loving) with getting it in.

standard call pre live on button, although u have hit 2 pair on flop wud b concerned as utg has checked and u confirmed he c bets virtually all of the time, have u ever seen him check the flop - wot did he have at that point, utg3 will more than likely have alot of q10 qj in range so u ok to flat in this spot see wot utg does then look to get it in on turn against utg 3 on any blank turn

~50big blinds and 2p when hundreds of hands we beat will merrily get it in. What's not to love?

results?

sorry

so utg made it £53 what was instend call by utg +3  then i push what was called by both players ( utg £50ish) ( utg +3 £60ish )  turn 2  river 10  utg shows QJ for top pair and river stright  utg +3 did not show

after the hand Ugt asked why i only flated the £13 and and did not rease,  just wasnt to see if any one would of played it diffrent

Just get it in on the flop and then dance like this:

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noflops rotflmfao

dont get the fold pre hate. its close i think.