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i am heart broken that this can happen

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328703/Remembrance-Day-Poppy-burning-Muslim-protesters-mar-Armistice-Day.html

I saw this earlier. I honestly don't give a toss about being PC when I see shit like this, people like those should just be given a good hoofing by whoever happens to be closest at the time............

i was in tears and still cant bielive it could happen so so so wrong

Pretty proud of the English Defence league, and I doubt that's ever been the case before.


Doing that is just asking for a massive fk off shit kicking.

pretty sure there's nothing un-PC about condemning people that get up to this sort of disgraceful behaviour.  there are ways and means to protest about things, and we've seen two examples this week that are far, far removed from how people should express their views and utilise their right to free speech.  disgusting.

the danger is if it becomes a race issue rather than an anti-extremeist/thug/vandal/general-horrible-person thing.

a poem i read.....

Remembrance Day is here again,
On this day we remember all those who were slain.
The ones they left behind have endured much sorrow and pain.
But rest assured,
the whole world knows those brave ones didn't die in vain.

The poppies that you see people wear,
Are there to show you they still care.
We open our hearts so that we can share,
A moment of silence, and offer a prayer.

To all the soldiers who died saving our country.

The problem is we are way too soft in this country with this sort of stuff with human rights blah de blah. We should be taking a way tougher stance with this sort of stuff, if I made the rules I would be STFU, live by our rules or GTFO and go somewhere your opinion is acceptable, cus it ain't here...........

Our rules also allow gangs of English chavs to terrorise people in their own homes and neighbourhoods - where do we get them to GTFO ?

There's a lot of low life out there - where's Travis when you need him ?

I'd set up a hoofing patrol for those idiots too :)

maybe kill two birds with one stone and get them to hoof the crap out of each other?

proof they are wronguns

Innocent people of all races will carry the can for this, there is nothing so sure.

Fair :-)

Just trawled through the BBC news website and there's no mention of this.
Unless I've missed it, I wonder why not???

They're extremists. As are the EDL as far as I know. All these does is encourage and give an excuse to hooligans and thugs from whatever race to stir shit up

Come on guys why did you remove that? No need imo...........

is this a protest for the protest thread being removed or just a reference to the fact that the protest thread has been removed (why was it removed btw?)

Same reason the BBC arent reporting it....poor!

Fucking BS removal...........

missed it, but interested :(

As a minimum can you tell us why it was removed please mods? I didn't see anything out of order?

Woodsey, can you pm me to tell me what the thread was about please?

Sigh everyone PM'ing me now. Mods should answer imo, as there was nothing wrong unless there was one particular post I didn't see.

Can't censor real opinion if its the majority imo, I don't care if the mods are over PC...............

There was nothing wrong in the thread, pretty disgraceful it was pulled...and yes still no report on the BBC, yet reports on Sky, Mail etc...heres a report will this get deleted aswell?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/162574/THUGS-BURN-POPPIES/

hmmm..immediate deportation anyone?

now i am pissed off what the fuck
i started this thread being an ex soldier who belives we all should  pay our respects on Armistice day
i would like an explanation why this has been removed please this just goes to show politically correct gone mad and crazy no need to remove it unless you agree with th shits who dunnit!!!!??????

pretty strange that the thread was pulled - was nothing out of order on it when I last looked, although I may have missed some posts on the end.  Presume the mods thought it had potential to get out of hand and were likely to short handed and pulled it for that reason, but an explanation at the time of deletion could have cleared that up.

Also odd that the BBC aren't reporting on it.  Maybe they're taking the view that they don't want to give these people the publicity they're seeking, but what'll ultimately happen is people will question the lack of coverage and they'll probably end up having to explain it anyway, bringing it back into the news.

it was only 30 people

As far as I can see there 3 possible reasons why the BBC didn't report this vile and sickening story:

1) PC - Fear of inflaming race relations
2) They didn't deem the story newsworthy
3) None of their reporters saw the incident

All 3 are inexcusable, if it was for any of the first 2 reasons especially so,if it wasn't for the sacrifices of the armed forces who gave their lives the BBC would probably be known today as the Deutschland Broadcasting Corporation,so to chose to ignore such an insult to those people's memory's is hypocritical,disrespectful and unforgivable.

30 people insulting dead peoples memory's is 30 people this country could do without,

"I detest what you say, but I will defend to the the death your right to say it."

That's what the men and women of our armed forces have fought and died for.

If a group of paedophiles organized a march calling for child abuse to be legalised we would be morally outraged,surely yesterdays incident falls into the same category of what is not acceptable behaviour in a decent society.

The original thread has been placed back, minus some of the more inflammatory posts, and merged with this.

It's obviously an issue that will arouse strong feelings and last night the original thread was going to places we'd rather not see on blonde.

So, up to you. Keep it measured and civil and there won't be a problem with the thread.

How could you ever be proud of the EDL? They are absolutely no different to these people.

Hateful evil people, pretending they believe in something to carry out pure evil.

You can be outraged, that's fine.  I think what they did was stupid, insensitive, inflammatory, misguided, and ultimately wrong and an insult to those who have died in conflict protecting the rights and freedom of the people of this and other countries.

But do you see that they have the right to do it? 

I understand the point you are making and it's valid but there are some things that cross the lines of simply exercising free speech and extend into something very dark and dangerous,yesterday was one of those times.

A violent reaction against those who haven't actually broken any laws or physically hurt anyone (although I'm sure it angered and hurt lots of people including families of those who have died in conflicts and those who are serving in the armed forces) would be far more dangerous.  In fact, as others have alluded to, their actions will do nothing except inflame hatred and there will be innocent people from all 'sides' who will be hurt (both mentally and physically) by these actions as the retaliations and repercussions escalate.

I expect to see people burning korans on the news soon, and more tension and condemnation from all sides on all sorts of things.  The extremists will be the ones that will spark the fire, and the 'decent' people will be the ones who suffer.

Best thing to do when you see a spark is extinguish it. Put out the spark quickly and it can't develop into a fire. You could put out this fire quite quickly with some rubber bullets and tear gas.

Burning poppies is nothing compared to what the families of fallen Americans have to take from the Christian religious right in there own country

everyone is entitled to protest against things they don't believe in, but this is going way too far.....ffs this is no protest, this is evil tw@ts wanting to cause serious sh1t....w@nkers

Their actions can be argued as merely them expressing their right to freedom of speech but there could be a case that their actions are "inciting a riot". If a football fan can be ejected on these grounds for abusing a football player surely it could be applied when you have a group aggressively shouting abusive comments with the aim to cause offense.

I believe in peoples right to protest and actually think there is to much apathy in this country. However saying that there is a correct manner to protest and extremists tend not to concern themselves with such considerations. Can't imagine a similar situation in the USA. Can you imagine how their authorities would deal with such a situation and freedom of speech is part of their constitution.

I guess burning the Stars and Stripes is a similar thing.  Americans are very much split on that one, although it remains legal and a legitimate expression of their freedom of speech:

http://www.esquilax.com/flag/history.html

Meh, freedom of speech blah de blah. Still doesn't change the fact that they deserve a good hoofing, sorry if that's harsh but it's tough shit IMO.......

Is it legal and legitimate ???

Inciting a riot, public order offenses, I also believe there is legislation that allows the authorities to disband unauthorised gatherings of a certain size (something ridiculous like 6 or more people) which was brought in to stop illegal raves which is often abused by the authorities to stop protests. I bet there is a shed full of laws that they have breached. It appears a case of do the authorities have the desire and will to stop such a demonstration and that will be largely a PC/political decision.

I would have said that in this country we have freedom of speech - but given the result of the appeal in the #twitterjoketrial - i am not so sure anymore.

The mentality that we should protect free speech and freedom of expression at all costs because that's what our soldiers died fighting for tilts me badly. If you lined up every poor kid who lost his life in WWII every one of them would say they were fighting for Britain, their country, their home. They wouldn't give you that liberal political bollox as the reason they sacrificed their life. They died because the Germans were dropping bombs on their own families in their own homes and every one of them would be prepared to die protecting their own backyard from foreign invasion. Today every one of us would do the same. If a German soldier came down my road thinking he was somehow in charge of me I would happily shoot him in the leg and tell him to GTFO. That is the reality of why those guys died. Taking just one value from British culture and suggesting that is the reason they died is so wrong and disrespectful. Britain is a multi-cultural country and a world leader in promoting the virtue of free speech. We have nothing to prove on that score. So we don't need to take it to the extreme and keep inviting people to slap us in the face just to prove how tolerant we are. Spitting on the graves of those who died is where the line of free speech is drawn imo just like the denial of the holocaust. Free speech 99.9% of the time is a figure I can live with.

Having just watched the news of the British soldier, who lost three limbs, complete a run across America is so humbling. Whether you agree with the war or not you should the sacrifices these brave man and women do in the belief that they are serving our country. For any individual or group to deliberately target a protest against them during a time when many are honouring them should be held accountable for these actions especially when their protest is done in an aggressive manner and aimed at causing offense.

Very much this.

No war has ever been fought because of "freedom of speech".

To even think, let alone say, that Freedom of speech exists is of course proposterous. Freedom of speech is curtailed in every avenue of society and, in most cases, quite rightly so. This sort of protest should be amongst one of those things that is not allowed.

Yep, I mean this thread was originally removed wasn't it? If those guys lost their lives defending free speech then removing posts and censoring people on a forum for using a word is pretty shameful isn't it? But it isn't all that shameful because you do have to censor in every walk of life, you have to deny free speech. Post are removed every day on this forum because free speech isn't a reality. No, those guys died defending our country and I don't really get how allowing people to burn poppies is defending our country in their memory. It's just liberal beardy bollox

While I don't support the Muslim protestors in how they acted, the poppy-facism I've encountered here & in the press in general over the last few years tilts me up.


Aye - point out where that's been successful in history.....


REALLY? I think a lot would say it was because they were conscripted & they were fighting because they were scared they'd be killed.

I love how other people's jingoistic bullshit is worthy of rubber bullets but good old Blighty's is now mandatory in a country with alleged freedom.

How dare they oppose the poppy - you must be really angry against these guys then:

btw people I removed the thread last night after a brief talk with another mod as i was the only mod on at the time, and there had been a few OTT posts, to such an extend i got PMs from members telling me about the thread.
as i was about to log off for night i felt that the thread needed removing for the night

just to point out i was in the army from the age of 16, my father was in the army for 22 years and my brother is 20 years into his service and the removing of the thread had nothing to do with and feelings towards the poppy apeal or the reaction of militants to the poppy apeal but the removal was to do with the reactions on the thread and the fact it had the liabity to be a red rag to a bull to certain members and that when we got up today we were likely going to find a mess of a thread where we were liklely going to have pages of deletions

Brilliant points, some of  the leftist bollocks that has been spouted on here is a disgrace! feedom of speech yadda yadda, yep only when it suits peoples agendas, and yes the BBC have hid this report, unreal!

So you don't want people to have freedoms when they have different opinions to you?

Freedom of speech is good.
Protesting against war/s is good.
Difference of opinion is good, it's what keeps us stimulated.
Telling soldiers to burn in hell is bad and harmful to legitimate protests.

These people are ultimately only harming themselves by inciting racial hatred and if a group of our soldiers were to give these muppets a kicking I'm sure the majority of uk christians and muslims alike would be content. Maybe for different reasons but content non the less.

I think there are some great points on here.

Dan you are hanging on to a kind of shibboleth here with no real solid foundation. As many have said, there is no such thing as complete freedom of speech, lines are drawn all the time, you know this because you and the team here draw them all the time.

There are situations where someone elses freedom limits mine, so we stop them and we all have different lines - there is no blanket "I defend yr right...etc" that makes any sense at all

And how have the actions of those idiots limited anyone's freedom?

Didn't say it did, but, hypothetically, I would have struggled to walk down that pavement safely in an Army uniform

when i was 18 i struggled to get access into pubs and clubs when showing my id card as proof of age "because we dont serve forces"

Grrrrrrrrrrrr!

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/RAF-man-turned-away-by.6622575.jp

i started this thread  for reasons i think everyone is clear
the poppy is to show we care ......we care for every service man and woman who has lost there life fighting for this country,
this country that the haters/scum  live and work .
if they feel the need to break the two minute silence with hate chants then they don't deserve to be in this country.
this is not to do with there war ...Afghanistan or Iraq but in every conflict since 1918.
so free speech ...no freedom of speech possibly but to disrupt something that is so important to do with the country that they live in work in claim benefits from draw a pension and use the nhs is disgusting to the point i feel physically sick!
i did not read all the posts last night so i don't know what was written after i logged off
but my motivation is not race or religion ...but of a proud ex serviceman that knows how it feels to lose friends/loved ones and colleagues during conflict.
and a simple poppy is a way to remeber them
lest we forget.

No doubt those soldiers were scared, but to overcome their immense fear and go forward into battle anyway shows tremendous courage imo. I salute every one of them. I think saying they fought because they were forced to diminshes their sacrifice. The poppy is a symbol of that sacrifice. If those guys laid down their lives to fight for their country they'd be pretty gutted to see their country failing to serve their memory. Actually allowing people to burn poppies in the streets of England is total and utter bollox. Anybody who thinks differntly is plain wrong. It doesn't matter who burns the poppies so race is an irrelevance. This is a respect issue.

The people who have fought and died to protect this country were protecting our freedom - which encompasses many things, such as the basic human rights including the freedom of speech/expression.  Not for one second am I condoning these idiotic actions, but if you look beyond their motives and reasoning, the fact they could do such a thing in this country is actually an indication that we do (to a degree, and that's a whole debate in itself) have a country that allows a great degree of freedom and civil liberties.

Imagine if someone burned a koran in a muslim state, such as Iran or Saudi Arabia?  Do you think they would have been allowed the freedom to make such a protest (for whatever their reasons)? Would there be a debate about their right to demonstrate using non-violent means?  Doesn't that say something about what many have died to protect? 

So they can have signs saying "British Soldiers Burn In Hell" and burn poppys, yet if someone had a sign saying "Islam Burn In Hell" and burning the Quran they would be arrested/murdered??!?!?!?!

The taxi driver is an idiot.

There are plenty of wars that are not just, but the servicemen who fought in them (on both sides) aren't the ones to blame.  It's the politicians and those in power who send young men and women to die fighting in places they didn't even know existed until they were sent there.

What?  You can do both in this country.  Not saying either is right or clever, but you can do those things here.

The point these guys are making is not anti poppy but the way in which the Poppy Appeal feels the need to have an extended campaign leading up to Armistice day.

Without doubt the day should be about highlighting the futility of war and there is probably no better people to highlight this than service/ex service personnel who have experienced the horrors of war.

Why the Poppy Appeal are forced to do this is fairly simple. Donations to ex service charities have been hit very hard in recent years. The acknowledgement of Combat Stress/PTSD as illnesses brought on by the trauma of war means that there are so many ex service personnel requiring and being entitled to assistance.

The Erskine appeal has also suffered greatly due to a decrease in donations.

Added to this, the founding of Help for Heroes has taken away quite a bit of the funding that otherwise went to charities like the Poppy Appeal for the benefit of ex service personnel. I mentioned previously that many charities supporting ex service personnel had suffered due to people donating to Help for Heroes thinking this also covered ex servicemen. By and large it doesn't and in fact a lot of these donations are used to support supposedly Government run projects for injured serving servicemen/women.

The poppy is the ultimate symbol of rememberance and I would agree that it is probably now abused in the name of fundraising but I also see why.

Just as disgusting was the Parkhead banner. The cry of " and if you know your history" by the minority involved is laughable as the club itself lost at least 8 players in the war, one who had won the VC.

Both groups have the right to protest against what they feel are unjust conflicts, Armistice Day is not the right time and a rememberance parade certainly not the place to hold these protests

Anyway it gives Dan the opportunity to get on his moral high horse again.

Geo. Northern Ireland x 5, Falklands, Iraq 1, Kosovo, Big Bens, Good Companions, Fagins and the Globetrotter.

Was going to say great post and that I agreed with it all, until the little personal attack at the end.  I'm the only one on my high horse?

LOL

you know fine well I'm ribbing you, but you do go on and on with your points
xx
Geo

The difference is you would be arrested and not be pampered like they seem to be a lot of the time, plus you would probably dead within a week for saying anything against the Quran.

Whilst I think what happened was terrible I don't think we should give 30 arseholes this amount of coverage.

Arrested?  No you wouldn't.  I'll say something against the koran and Islam - it can be a cruel and intolerant religion and I'm very relieved I was born and live in the UK rather than an an oppressive muslim state.

Some would disagree with me, and that's fine.  We have the rights to say such things here, and this should be without fear of violence against us.

i agree there was 50k students who didn't do anything!

Really!?

Depends where you say it I guess. But you do have a right to say what you have against a book/ religion. With the exception of judaism ( because judasim can be considered a race aswell as a religion).

Who going to murder you ?

Also think that coverage was ott!

You can say what you want about judaism as well.  You can't however, discriminate against the Jews as a race of people. 

You can criticise someone for what they do, but not what they are.

Fair enough. My choice of word was incorrect.

i bet they all play wow and are attention whores on their too. Look at me! Look at me! i am clever!

I personally don't care what a small minority of loonies do but why o why does the telegraph give them a platform for it?

You're right though.  We can say what we like against any religion we like.  That's a good thing, surely - for those who are religious or not.

You're right. And the poppy-burners are using that freedom to make mugs of the people who provide it for them. What part of their message had any value that would legitimise it as a reasonable protest? Sure we should support freedom of expression and the right to protest but they choose the time they did to incite hatred and promote racial violence. Being passionate about your tolerant values shouldn't blind you to common sense. You are a tolerant and reasonable guy. If you get home to find your best friend in bed with your wife then kicking your friend very hard in the bollox doesn't mean you're not a reasonable and tolerant guy.

I hate agreeing with Kin on this subject but I do.

Yes, it is a matter of respect but since when was respect compulsory? The 2 minute silence is a show of respect and it is wonderful how many people join in the silence. If it was enforced that would ridiculously hippocratic.

3 were arrested on public disorder charges. That seems about right to me. It's a minor offence. Despite being massively hurtful and distasteful they have the right to say what they want.

Personally, I think we are gradually losing our freedom of speech in the UK. I, for one, would like to keep it.

Fighting a war over oil and killing civilians (how many? Don't know, we haven't the decency to keep count), might just piss off people originating from those countries or areas. Just a thought.

i think this clouds the real issues though and its a line often brought out to excuse this type of behavior. Showing ones respect for the troops, the men who lost their lives is a lot different to showing respect for the people who sent them there or justifying the conflicts they are in.  

lol at just a thought, do you forget other threads regards the recent wars, where almost to a man we all agree. Just don't see the point of your post there.

Or is it just through your own personal hatred of British troops?

Geo

I'll treat that comment with the contempt it deserves Geo. Show me where I've slagged the troops - I've slagged the criminal ones, but the ordinary troops I've no hatred for I just feel sorry for them.

Bit harsh on Rod IMO. You can support your troops and see another population's point of view at the same time?

FWIW the protest sickened me. But I'm proud to be in a place where these people wont have their hands cut off for it.

not gonna read the thread because I skimmed a few posts and saw Boshi was debating and we all know what happens when he does that...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlamcAzI9UA

If their motive was to protest about the occupation of Afghanistan I would support their right to free speech. In fact I would encourage their protest because such a serious issue should be kept in the spotlight. I'd say the majority of the country want our troops out of Afghanistan and I suspect the troops don't want to be there either so their message would receive some good support. There are lots of credible ways to protest as well. So how good a strategy is burning poppies in front of grieving widows? It's only a good strategy if your motive is to spread hate. Rod, if you were at the funeral of somebody you loved and strangers started shouting abuse you would drop this right to free speech shit in about one second. You'd feel a bit of respect was your basic right and you would react furiously. It's inconsistent to want that respect for yourself but not want to offer it to other people in return. I think promoting basic respect for each other is probably more important than free speech if you want a peaceful world. Allowing people to hate on each other in public doesn't make for a more ideal society.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11751268

"They have the right to remember them [those killed in war] in your own way and we have the right to remember them in our own way and we shouldn't interfere with each other's [ways].

"In this way we can live in a society in harmony.

"It's a matter of respecting each other, it's not a matter of religion. In a society, whether we're Christian or Muslims, we should respect each other."

For people who actually want to do things about this (like myself)

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/

Is the only answer, AND WE ARE NOT RACIST!

spot on imo

sadly the Defence league may not be racist but most people that follow them are..

Very small minority. and it is discouraged and not promoted nor discussed at meetings or marches.

Gotta love the BNP boys pretending that its only Muslims they don't like now.

Your level of comprehension is nearly as bad as Geos - I've already said they are idiots - as usual the the people who demonstrate are the most angered and the least likely to apply reason to their anger, who then supply ammunition to those they are most angry at to undermine the point of their argument/protest. You asked what part of their message had any value. I answered, the fact that that part was ignored by the extremist press as well is a joint fail by the protestors & the headline chasing of the press.

Geo's already started on the demonstration at Celtic Park - note he brought it up not me, what the press in Scotland refuse to publish, even though they have been given the statement, is that the white poppy which represents all the victims of war & not just those in uniform, would have been welcome on the jersey, but hey, that wouldn't give self righteous arseholes a pedestal to stand on, would it?

And watching Japanese & German footballers forced to wear a poppy to carry out their jobs as footballers sickened me last year, it was wrong. The poppy should be a personal choice, not an impostition. All credit to the England manager for not wearing one.

Thankfully these racist scum are scared to try their shit in Scotland - stood cowering behind police lines last time they tried it.

Cus they know Scots are racist against them............

To Rod's point (and he has few) there is a small element of tyranny about poppy wearing - certainly shouldn't be imposed on public figures

Think you may have missed a [  ] from your post somewhere

Yeah, the leader of the EDL sure didn't join the BNP (in 2004).  Oh I forgot, they're not racist either. 

Yeah not racist my arse, used to play poker with a lad who was unashamedly racist who supported this lot. His avatar on facebook is a bottle of bleach with the words Ethnic cleanser on it. If you have a racist friend   ......................

Dude, the protesters were members of Muslims Against Crusades which means they are well organised and co-ordinated. Their methods of protest are specifically designed to provoke a hateful reaction and incite racial tensions. With whatever radical group you will find they are very shrewd and strat for the sort of reaction they inevitably get. They use a geuine point such as the occupation of Afghanistan as a vehicle to voice their despise of the west. So in that regard how did they fail to achieve their objective? I'm afraid your simplistic view that the protesters are geuine protesters and their anger has prevented them from applying logic shows a comprehension level significantly lower than mine.

I'd be amazed if anyone debating this thought any of those "protesters" were genuine.

This

1,000 people = newsworthy protest
30 people = hen night

This is a joke. Think this link should be removed. I am not a muslim and had to put up an unbelievable amount of abuse when the EDL marched thru Leicester. Just glad my children were not with me

I agree.

GG free speech and all that. Can we have all links to the protests removed then as I find that offensive........

+1

Fre speech has nothing to do with it when this is an organisation which is specifically set up to be against Islam rather than for anything in particular.

So its free speech until someone does not like it? This shit really pisses me off sometimes, no wonder this country is fucked >:(

Don't support the EDL in any way shape or form and believe that although a hand full might be trying to be constructive most of them are football hooligan wannabees that have jumped on the bandwagon because they think they can go "paki bashing" like in the 80's. I have seen lots of the videos and the guys who run the "marches" genuinely seem like they are pro-actively trying to make a difference and talk about how it is inevitable for scumbags (am I allowed to say that word) to cling on.

If the group was full of absolute scum then I think the link should be removed, but as it stands currently I really don't see the problem as Sammy obviously put it up as a supporter of the party rather than a mug who joined in the back of the march.

so if I want to link child pornography it should be allowed under the banner of free speech?

No cus that's illegal, the EDL is not. BTW I didn't even know who the EDL was till this thread was started, not that it makes any difference.

The ilegalilty of child porn is what makes it wrong? Really?

Nope, any more obvious comments?

We're on the same page then. Some things are wrong, illegal or not.

Yup. I think the BNP are a bunch of wankers, but I would equally object to someone asking to remove their link because they did not like/were offended by them. The 'wrong' part is just subjective to the individual whether you or I agree with that or not..........

How far do you take subjectivity? All this free speech bollocks annoys me tbh

There is plenty of shit I'd rather not have to listen too, including the original topic, you gotta take the good with the bad.........

Kinda goes back to my first post then, at what point does something go from wrong to "subjective" in your eyes? We've already established it's not "cuz it's legal".

Can't be arsed debating that tbh, we ain't going to change it because of legality or otherwise...........

Aye, fair one.

Out of curiosity I wonder if the same people who want the EDL link to come down are "for" the protesters having their say. Totally rhetorical, but I can't help being curious.

No.

They were a small group of extremists who will, aided by organisations like ELD and BNP, cause untold suffering for countless innocent black and minority ethnic communities.

Allowing a link on here or not is nothing to do with freedom of speech.

It's a privately owned poker forum, not a soap box for extremists.

People can peacefully protest about what they want as long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of others, but they aren't going to do that in my living room and I'm sure you'd be the same.

Just because someone wants to say something, doesn't mean you have to give them the platform from which they can broadcast their message.

This would be fair comment if the war in Afghanistan (and Iraq) was really about keeping the Taliban out but it isn't.  There are plenty of other options that the Afghanis would probably be happy to embrace but I sincerely doubt that becoming another country which is effectively ruled undemocratically from Washington and for the benefit of big business is one of the options they would pick.

Starting young I see...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330517/Boys-excluded-Facebook-death-threats-classmate.html

Typical racist daily mail article.  Not only do they get to have a go at Muslims (love the racist "5 Muslims and a white girl" - would they have written "5 Protestants and an Asian girl"?), the also get to have a go at the evils of the internet - another hobby of theirs (Facebook causes cancer you see (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1149207/How-using-Facebook-raise-risk-cancer.html)).

Any coverage of this story from other sources (that aren't racist) so we can read the full and accurate story?

this is from local press.  the second comment is interesting.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2010/11/17/coventry-teenager-abused-on-facebook-for-writing-war-heroes-tribute-92746-27667954/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom

Hahah I stopped reading the daily fail when my IQ reached double figures.

Comment refers to this:

http://swns.com/daughter-sold-on-ebay-for-good-education-291437.html

 My God, she's a media pro! it must be true!

looking for a reason to get her son moved to a 'better' school perhaps?

Well, it looks like it's her side of the story that has been used for the article. Even so, it sounds like the bullies deserved to be punished.

But the story in the mail is a combination of fabrication and exaggeration to support its xenophobic agenda.

I bumped into Nick Griffin yesterday, he asked me where I was from........

I personally think boshi got pwned cus somebody found another link to the story, it might be that The Mails story is the most accurate of the two, who knows..... :)

The mail's story is not just factual reporting though - it's written in an incredibly biased and leading way, from the opening sentence.  Taking just one point - other than to stir up racial tension further, what reason was there to mention in the article the religious views or ethnicity of the bullies?

I asked if anyone had seen the story from another source. Why is that me being pwnd?  Unlike some, I like to gather as much evidence as possible so I can make an informed decision. unfortunately, the mail and others with a racist/islamaphobic agenda don't seem to bother finding out the facts before they publish their bile.

Of course, the mail is known for its journalistic integrity.

I think your failing to notice the presence of a smiley.

But as your asking, the religion of the bullies is relevant to the story, if you don't think so then meh, I ain't arguing about it.........

Chill out Dan, life ain't all serious you know :)

LOL. I was asking the relevance of the girl's colour, not the religions the children have been indoctrinated into. Is the mail saying that because she's white she's not a muslim, or suggesting that the boys weren't white?  That was my point.

Fk me your hard work sometimes, I'm going back to my glass of Chablis....... :D

I'm perfectly chilled. The topics on this thread are fairly serious though and you don't have to read or comment on here. Go and read the daily mail instead if you want.

You don't see what's wrong with that headline?

ok let me rephrase - cyber bullying is a massive problem today.  bullying in schools has always been an issue, now there's a new platform for it. we saw issues with the son of a poster on blonde a year or two back, and a young family member of mine has also experienced similar problems.  I'd also imagine there are many more cases where the problem has gone beyond threats.  None of those thousands of cases are of any interest to the national press.  if these threats had been made by white, christian pupils, we'd have heard nothing about it.  So, the reason the kids' religion was mentioned was because, without it, it'd be a story not deemed worthy to be reproduced in the mass media, but for the likes of daily mail it's a great opportunity to stoke the prejudiced views of much of their readership, in the hope that they'll pass it on and say something like 'look how young they're starting now', middle britain will be up in arms, and we can kick off the whole anti immigration thing again.

I'm not saying these kind of cases shouldn't be highlighted, but let's have some balance, and let's make it an anti-bullying issue rather than a religious/race issue.

Possibly, I think your just nitpicking way beyond the majority of the population tbh. I have to deal with careful and precise wording everyday of my life with my job, I just don't care too much about the wording of a random newspaper. I would read that and think nothing of it tbh, as would 98% of the population. If I start analysing the wording if everything I read, I wouldn't have time for anything else.........

Ok peace out, you guys are getting way too analytical and serious for me for 9pm on a Weds night while I'm having a glass of wine. I was only trying to needle boshi a bit with my first post tonight...... ;D

maybe that's symptomatic of a bigger problem then.

I'm buggering off - enjoy your wine :)

Yeh woodsey you big cyber bully.

Anyone who believes everything they read in a newspaper needs shooting.

If only everyone loved Jesus then there would be no troubles in the world..

I think these two are the official anti Daily Mail tag team ::)

Thinking way too hard about shit comes standard in that job so I'm led to believe :D

lol woodsey.

i've read it here a few times and never questioned it, but why do people like boldie and kin slag off people that read the daily mail. Surely everyone that reads it can't be classed the same. If so, why?

I'm sure they will give you a 3 page essay on that, I'll just leave you with a  :dontask: cus that's my level tonight :)

Doubt they're slagging off the readers. Probably the mail itself.

Or obv stereotyping the kind of person who reads the mail

Yep, fairly sure i have read things like blah blah is an idiot, and so are daily mail readers, or summit like that.

People make generalisations all the time

numerous posts have shown that you're allowed to take the piss out of daily mail readers and fat people on blonde.

Well that's three quarters of us fucked then >:(

The Sunday mail has the best TV guide though...

LOL.

Banned from EDL forum :(

Was a fun 5 minutes. I wanted them to link to a google map of the middle east on their 'learn about Islam' section so that there was one outgoing link on their site that didn't reek of bias.

Did u call them honkies or summat? ;D

I was actually pretty reasonable, I thought anyway. Posted on the section of their site that claims to welcome people who disagree with them.

I said their external links looked like propoganda, they said I was just being blind to the truth. We were at something of an impasse when amidst the rhetoric I got booted.

Ironside is a mod there imo

Think it's important to engage with these people and identify where you disagree with them and not just unthinkingly label them racists.

They didn't really seem to like that though. I'm now free to label them as whatever I like and do so with a clear conscience.

I think I'm going to go with 'misguided'

 

Actually laughing out loud here

Is the EDL site down?

I keep getting this..

LOL  WP George

took a while!