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Title: Manchester United FC, an increasingly sad debt fuelled story
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 07:34:55 PM
Anyone watch the Man U-Liverpool game today? Thoughts?

Are Man Utd better then everyone else or is it just a poor PL this season?

Will they win a record 19th title this season?

Who do we need to buy to replace an ageing Giggs/Scholes?

Is Berba the real deal or should he go

SAF replacement? Mourinho or Guardiola?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
nh sir.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ForthThistle on January 09, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Anyone watch the Man U-Liverpool game today? Thoughts? No

Are Man Utd better then everyone else or is it just a poor PL this season? No and Yes
Will they win a record 19th title this season? No
Who do we need to buy to replace an ageing Giggs/Scholes? Charlton Bro's
Is Berba the real deal or should he go No and Go
SAF replacement? Mourinho or Guardiola? Ricky Sbragia... ;)

End Thread Please


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 07:40:41 PM
Before I start commenting on this thread, I'd like to let it be known that despite some sarcastic posts on their respective threads, I don't actually hate Leeds, Newcastle or Liverpool.

But I really, really, really hate Man United.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 09, 2011, 07:43:58 PM
Anyone watch the Man U-Liverpool game today? Thoughts?

Are Man Utd better then everyone else or is it just a poor PL this season?

Will they win a record 19th title this season?

Who do we need to buy to replace an ageing Giggs/Scholes?

Is Berba the real deal or should he go

SAF replacement? Mourinho or Guardiola?
]


being chinese i kind of have to support man yoo
yes will win the league after chelsea spuffed up

get zezinho or jovetic as they are sick on football manager
i dunno about scholes
gtfo berba he doesnt even start ahead of small p for me in football manager
buy akinfeev

and mour-in-ho ftw


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 07:48:36 PM
Before I start commenting on this thread, I'd like to let it be known that despite some sarcastic posts on their respective threads, I don't actually hate Leeds, Newcastle or Liverpool.

But I really, really, really hate Man United.

no trolling. Start your own "I hate Man U thread"

TY


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 09, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
Before I start commenting on this thread, I'd like to let it be known that despite some sarcastic posts on their respective threads, I don't actually hate QPR, Newcastle or Liverpool.

But I really, really, really hate Man United.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Linux on January 09, 2011, 08:27:48 PM
Before I start commenting on this thread, I'd like to let it be known that despite some sarcastic posts on their respective threads, I don't actually hate QPR, Newcastle or Liverpool.

But I really, really, really hate Man United.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mickyp on January 09, 2011, 08:32:16 PM
Before I start commenting on this thread, I'd like to let it be known that despite some sarcastic posts on their respective threads, I don't actually hate Leeds, Newcastle or Liverpool.

But I really, really, really hate Man United.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Graham C on January 09, 2011, 08:35:07 PM
Before I start commenting on this thread, I'd like to let it be known that despite some sarcastic posts on their respective threads, I don't actually hate Leeds, Newcastle or Liverpool.

But I really, really, really hate Man United and Tottenham.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 09, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
...
But I really, really, really hate Man United.

...
But I really, really, really hate Man United.

...
But I really, really, really hate Man United.

...
But I really, really, really hate Man United.

...
But I really, really, really hate Man United ...

why?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 08:39:06 PM
Damn trolls


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 09, 2011, 08:49:54 PM
I agree with all the haters. nice to have a united hate thread on the forum imo


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Longy on January 09, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
Before I start commenting on this thread, I'd like to let it be known that despite some sarcastic posts on their respective threads, I don't actually hate Leeds, Newcastle or Liverpool.

But I really, really, really hate Man United and gtfo with your yellow and green scarves.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 09:06:53 PM

The list is long and detailed.

Paul Ince.

Norman Whiteside.

Mark Hughes.

Teddy Sheringham.

Roy Keane.

Gary Neville.

Peter Red Nose.

Mark Hughes.

Bryan Robson.

The ridiculous feeling of entitlement of their supporters.

Alex Ferguson's tapping his wristwatch.

But most of all, the 12 minutes of injury time they got in our relegation season which gave Cantona enough time to equalise and ultimately send us down.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 09, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
y u hate mark hughes so much?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 09:14:30 PM
y u hate mark hughes so much?

One of the dirtiest strikers in my years watching football.

And never ever stopped whining.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 09:15:08 PM
God, how did I forget Paul Scoles in my list?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 09, 2011, 09:15:28 PM


The list is long and detailed.

Paul Ince.





I am in a moral dilemma

but I still

Hate Man Ure, really really quite a lot.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 09:18:03 PM
Waiting for Greeky to start a Chelsea thread, so I can see if my Chelsea list is longer than my Man U list...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 09, 2011, 09:23:23 PM

Roy Keane, disgusting player/manager/human being.

Gary Neville, funnily enough actually like Phil.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AndrewT on January 09, 2011, 09:24:07 PM
Eamonn Holmes.

Mick Hucknall.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 09:24:50 PM
Eamonn Holmes.

Mick Hucknall.

Angus Deayton.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 09, 2011, 09:25:43 PM
Eamonn Holmes.

Mick Hucknall.

Angus Deayton


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AndrewT on January 09, 2011, 09:26:12 PM
Make a wish you two.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 09, 2011, 09:26:19 PM
Too slow


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Longy on January 09, 2011, 09:31:49 PM
Nani has all the worst charcteristics of Cristano Ronaldo, without the talent.

Rio Ferdinand seems to think he is some crazy funny guy, going around merking people. Whereas in fact he is just a twat.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 09:35:10 PM
When QPR got promoted in 1982, my Dad took me to Old Trafford for the first game of the season.

It was my first "proper" away trip (obv been to the other London clubs).

It was a fantastic game and tremendous party atmosphere and we trailed 2-1 with 2 minutes to go when Clive Allen hit the post when it would have been easier to score and Utd came straight down our end and made it 3-1.

Then we were kept in the stadium for over an hour.

Apparently their supporters wanted to do some damage to the cockney upstarts.

I mean, really, wtf?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 09:40:18 PM
Mods pls. All this trolling. Delete some posts


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: celtic on January 09, 2011, 09:42:04 PM
I don't mind Man U.

I also dont mind Liverpool. Must be unique.

Not keen on Rangers though tbh.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on January 09, 2011, 09:43:08 PM
Mods pls. All this trolling. Delete some posts

Although perhaps it would be in order to let them know you have deleted their posts


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 09, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
my little brother, born and raised in kent supports man ure. seriously, wtf is that all about, it's an embarrassment to me


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 09, 2011, 09:49:28 PM
Mods pls. All this trolling. Delete some posts
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=51379.msg1290351#msg1290351


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 09, 2011, 09:51:11 PM
my little brother, born and raised in kent supports man ure. seriously, wtf is that all about, it's an embarrassment to me

my brothers and cousins, born and raised in beijing supporst man yoo. seriously,wtf is that all about, its an embarrassment to me


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 09:52:56 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 09, 2011, 09:53:21 PM
my little brother, born and raised in kent supports man ure. seriously, wtf is that all about, it's an embarrassment to me

my brothers and cousins, born and raised in beijing supporst man yoo. seriously,wtf is that all about, its an embarrassment to me

Aged about 10 my oldest thought he better follow the fashion and take an interest in football, I had already bought him a Notts County shirt, his uncle bought him a Barnsley shirt (I tried to hide it). He picked Man Utd out of the air. I packed him a bag and put it by the door, he changed to Aresenal, fml.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: celtic on January 09, 2011, 09:53:36 PM
Mods pls. All this trolling. Delete some posts

Although perhaps it would be in order to let them know you have deleted their posts

I saw what you wrote, do you really think you needed to be informed that it had been deleted?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on January 09, 2011, 09:58:27 PM
Mods pls. All this trolling. Delete some posts

Although perhaps it would be in order to let them know you have deleted their posts

I saw what you wrote, do you really think you needed to be informed that it had been deleted?

Absolutely


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: celtic on January 09, 2011, 10:00:57 PM
Mods pls. All this trolling. Delete some posts

Although perhaps it would be in order to let them know you have deleted their posts

I saw what you wrote, do you really think you needed to be informed that it had been deleted?

Absolutely

lolz


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 09, 2011, 10:02:47 PM
I want to play. Will try not to swear.

I hate that half their fans are prawn sandwich business sorts loads of which are Chinese/Japanese, (Paul Houk will call me racist again now no doubt) and the other half are Londoners.

When i went to the fa cup game last year at Old Trafford (which we won 1-0 fwiw) i saw lots of Asian fans with scarves on that were half Man Utd half Leeds designs. How ridiciolous is that! We have hated each other for 40 years. Its just a business now, more so than any other club.

I hate the fact they never go to the games/mention their games all season yet never stfu when they win a trophy.

I hate that they think they have fanatical, fantastic support but when you watch 17/19 home league games on TV the place is always like a graveyard. (I will concede their away support is v good but that is no doubt the 3,000 or so old school hardcore).

I hate all the scummy people on Camel's list.

I hate Alex Ferguson and his moaning and cheating.

The only thing i remotely like about them is that the only time i've been to Old Trafford for an away game we did them 1-0 when we were in League One! (duno if i've mentioned that yet)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: maldini32 on January 09, 2011, 10:04:22 PM
Nani has all the worst charcteristics of Cristano Ronaldo, without the talent.

Rio Ferdinand seems to think he is some crazy funny guy, going around merking people. Whereas in fact he is just a twat.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 09, 2011, 10:05:03 PM
Nani has all the worst charcteristics of Cristano Ronaldo, without the talent.

Rio Ferdinand seems to think he is some crazy funny guy, going around merking people. Whereas in fact he is just a twat.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 09, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
I want to play. Will try not to swear.

I hate that half their fans are prawn sandwich business sorts loads of which are Chinese/Japanese, (Paul Houk will call me racist again now no doubt) and the other half are Londoners.

When i went to the fa cup game last year at Old Trafford (which we won 1-0 fwiw) i saw lots of Asian fans with scarves on that were half Man Utd half Leeds designs. How ridiciolous is that! We have hated each other for 40 years. Its just a business now, more so than any other club.

I hate the fact they never go to the games/mention their games all season yet never stfu when they win a trophy.

I hate that they think they have fanatical, fantastic support but when you watch 17/19 home league games on TV the place is always like a graveyard. (I will concede their away support is v good but that is no doubt the 3,000 or so old school hardcore).

I hate all the scummy people on Camel's list.

I hate Alex Ferguson and his moaning and cheating.

The only thing i remotely like about them is that the only time i've been to Old Trafford for an away game we did them 1-0 when we were in League One! (duno if i've mentioned that yet)

potw imo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Dewi_cool on January 09, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
When QPR got promoted in 1982, my Dad took me to Old Trafford for the first game of the season.

It was my first "proper" away trip (obv been to the other London clubs).

It was a fantastic game and tremendous party atmosphere and we trailed 2-1 with 2 minutes to go when Clive Allen hit the post when it would have been easier to score and Utd came straight down our end and made it 3-1.

Then we were kept in the stadium for over an hour.

Apparently their supporters wanted to do some damage to the cockney upstarts.

I mean, really, wtf?

Keith, that happened at most grounds in the 80's, so it's not a utd thing.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: maldini32 on January 09, 2011, 10:10:59 PM
Haha love it brent.

Also whats it with the special fans you have at OT wearing the green and yellow scarves kinda defeats the purpose of hating the Glazers. Thanks for the moneyzz

And Gary Neville what a *****



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 09, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
...

I hate that half their fans are prawn sandwich business sorts loads of which are Chinese/Japanese, (Paul Houk will call me racist again now no doubt) and the other half are Londoners.

...

I hate the fact they never go to the games/mention their games all season yet never stfu when they win a trophy.

I hate that they think they have fanatical, fantastic support but when you watch 17/19 home league games on TV the place is always like a graveyard. (I will concede their away support is v good but that is no doubt the 3,000 or so old school hardcore).

I hate all the scummy people on Camel's list.

I hate Alex Ferguson and his moaning and cheating.

...

so?

it's only a game

Don't you think hate is an irrationally strong emotion to ascribe to things which might more reasonably be qualified as mildly irritating?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AndrewT on January 09, 2011, 10:13:27 PM
I'm sensing you're not really into football that much Jon.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 09, 2011, 10:16:05 PM
wow jon, really? you think there's no place for extremes of emotion in football?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ChipRich on January 09, 2011, 10:18:09 PM
...

I hate that half their fans are prawn sandwich business sorts loads of which are Chinese/Japanese, (Paul Houk will call me racist again now no doubt) and the other half are Londoners.

...

I hate the fact they never go to the games/mention their games all season yet never stfu when they win a trophy.

I hate that they think they have fanatical, fantastic support but when you watch 17/19 home league games on TV the place is always like a graveyard. (I will concede their away support is v good but that is no doubt the 3,000 or so old school hardcore).

I hate all the scummy people on Camel's list.

I hate Alex Ferguson and his moaning and cheating.

...

so?

it's only a game


Don't you think hate is an irrationally strong emotion to ascribe to things which might more reasonably be qualified as mildly irritating?

Its not only a game though

fwiw, i hate them too.

Jones is a tool too.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 10:21:49 PM
I want to play. Will try not to swear.

I hate that half their fans are prawn sandwich business sorts loads of which are Chinese/Japanese, (Paul Houk will call me racist again now no doubt) and the other half are Londoners.

When i went to the fa cup game last year at Old Trafford (which we won 1-0 fwiw) i saw lots of Asian fans with scarves on that were half Man Utd half Leeds designs. How ridiciolous is that! We have hated each other for 40 years. Its just a business now, more so than any other club.

I hate the fact they never go to the games/mention their games all season yet never stfu when they win a trophy.

I hate that they think they have fanatical, fantastic support but when you watch 17/19 home league games on TV the place is always like a graveyard. (I will concede their away support is v good but that is no doubt the 3,000 or so old school hardcore).

I hate all the scummy people on Camel's list.

I hate Alex Ferguson and his moaning and cheating.

The only thing i remotely like about them is that the only time i've been to Old Trafford for an away game we did them 1-0 when we were in League One! (duno if i've mentioned that yet)

Love this stuff. Makes me smile


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 09, 2011, 10:22:48 PM
wow jon, really? you think there's no place for extremes of emotion in football?

Yes

in Football

Winning a match after being a long way behind, winning a league, winning a trophy
Losing in the final minutes, losing a big points lead, losing in general

but most of what is on most people's hate lists isn't about playing football

and hate is still a bit strong imo


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 10:28:06 PM
wow jon, really? you think there's no place for extremes of emotion in football?

Yes

in Football

Winning a match after being a long way behind, winning a league, winning a trophy
Losing in the final minutes, losing a big points lead, losing in general

but most of what is on most people's hate lists isn't about playing football

and hate is still a bit strong imo

Your argument is very strong and the passion involved in supporting a football club really isn't logical.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 10:32:59 PM
Why the hate for Paul Scholes? Someone who doesn't talk to the press, trys very very hard, puts extra time in the training ground and has expressed his want to play for his hometown team (Oldham) before he dies.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 09, 2011, 10:36:24 PM
Why the hate for Paul Scholes? Someone who doesn't talk to the press, trys very very hard, puts extra time in the training ground and has expressed his want to play for his hometown team (Oldham) before he dies.

Possibly to do with the nasty side to his game where he goes round leaving his foot in constantly, getting an unreal amount of yellow cards in his career then we have to listen to comms saying he just can't tackle.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 09, 2011, 10:37:57 PM
Oh and hes ginger ldo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 09, 2011, 10:41:23 PM
Oh and hes ginger ldo.

This


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ChipRich on January 09, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
Oh and hes ginger ldo.

yeah, fkin tosser.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 09, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
Emotion and a footbal fan.

Years ago I had a discussion with a Sheff Utd follower, he concluded that as a fan you sign up to misery that is entrenched in the system. You have times of pleasure when you win, come back from behind etc etc but the close season is the time of the real emotion. You look back on the previous season and you have a few short months of extreme pleasure if won that trophy that you craved for the team but there is more likely to be months of misery because you didn't. After all there can only be one ultimate winner and a large number of also ran. Is it not surprising that there manifests a feeling of extreme dislike, bordering on hate, of any other team that made your months of summer a misery.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 09, 2011, 10:43:10 PM
What did we all think of Fergie taking back the players he  had loaned to Preston when his son got the chop?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on January 09, 2011, 10:43:32 PM

The list is long and detailed.

Paul Ince.

Norman Whiteside.

Mark Hughes.

Teddy Sheringham.

Roy Keane.

Gary Neville.

Peter Red Nose.

Mark Hughes.

Bryan Robson.

The ridiculous feeling of entitlement of their supporters.

Alex Ferguson's tapping his wristwatch.

But most of all, the 12 minutes of injury time they got in our relegation season which gave Cantona enough time to equalise and ultimately send us down.


Near perfect post........I'd also like to add the name of Brian "miserable face" Mcclair.

God I hate Man Utd almost as much as Derby.....vile!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on January 09, 2011, 10:43:43 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 09, 2011, 10:44:12 PM
scholes is ginger manure. he's like a cross between rich and jones


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ChipRich on January 09, 2011, 10:44:18 PM
What did we all think of Fergie taking back the players he  had loaned to Preston when his son got the chop?

tosser


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 10:47:33 PM
Why the hate for Paul Scholes? Someone who doesn't talk to the press, trys very very hard, puts extra time in the training ground and has expressed his want to play for his hometown team (Oldham) before he dies.

He is one the dirtiest players I have ever seen.

If he played for someone else he would have a record number of red cards.

And honestly he isn't as good as everyone cracks him up to be.

There are a few Utd players I don't mind: Giggs, Andy Cole, Neil Webb, Paul Parker obv.

Basically the non dirty, non moaning types.. It is unfortunately quite a short list.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 09, 2011, 10:47:56 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

This a cracking post


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on January 09, 2011, 10:48:14 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

This.......and that's why football generates so much passion.  I feel I have to do my bit to keep the family tradition going......it's in your blood and it aint gonna go away!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on January 09, 2011, 10:48:30 PM
OTOH, George Best, Bobby Charlton, Paul McGrath, Martin Buchan, Bryan Robson and managers like Tommy Docherty

I just detest them since they got good, it's been quite a long hate.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 10:48:49 PM
Great thread thx guys


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 10:49:40 PM
What did we all think of Fergie taking back the players he  had loaned to Preston when his son got the chop?

The only thing I am surprised about is that people are surprised about this.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 09, 2011, 10:50:52 PM
Thread of year candidate here


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 10:54:57 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

This a cracking post

It is one of the best things about living in the North East.

When you walk around Darlo town centre the kids actually wear Darlo shirts (and Darlo are complete tez), you see the odd Middlesbrough or Toon shirt, but Utd, Lolerpool or Chelski are completely absent.

Pompey is the only other town I've spent any time in that has similar attribute.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 10:55:32 PM
Emotion and a footbal fan.

Years ago I had a discussion with a Sheff Utd follower, he concluded that as a fan you sign up to misery that is entrenched in the system. You have times of pleasure when you win, come back from behind etc etc but the close season is the time of the real emotion. You look back on the previous season and you have a few short months of extreme pleasure if won that trophy that you craved for the team but there is more likely to be months of misery because you didn't. After all there can only be one ultimate winner and a large number of also ran. Is it not surprising that there manifests a feeling of extreme dislike, bordering on hate, of any other team that made your months of summer a misery.



Very good post.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 09, 2011, 10:56:05 PM
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Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 11:06:48 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

Where does it say your supposed to support the team where your from? Surely it's up to the individual.

I get tarnished for being glory boy. I do not give a shite. I am from Leicester and I support United. There's reasons for it that have nothing to do with their success. Success came many years after following them. I have also been to games. It also probably significantly difficult to get tickets to Man U games than any other clubs

I don't like other clubs but more to do with rivalry than anything else. Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: CelticGeezeer on January 09, 2011, 11:07:03 PM
“Jealousy is no more than feeling alone against smiling enemies”


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 09, 2011, 11:17:47 PM
What did we all think of Fergie taking back the players he  had loaned to Preston when his son got the chop?

What did ye make of this yourself George?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 09, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 11:24:18 PM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

Did say most. Depends how you would define regularly.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 11:24:39 PM
What did we all think of Fergie taking back the players he  had loaned to Preston when his son got the chop?

What did ye make of this yourself George?

Wouldn't expect anything less from the great man


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 11:24:58 PM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on January 09, 2011, 11:27:57 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

Where does it say your supposed to support the team where your from? Surely it's up to the individual.

In the name of the team.

There probably some perfectly logical reasons to supporting a club from a different place to the one that you were born, grew up in or live in. I'd probably find it hard not to support Man U if "Lee Sharpe was the first Merlin sticker I ever got" or "when I was holding a fork one dinner time my Dad said I looked like the Man U mascot" or I had a red lunch box at school etc

It's never the trophies though.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2011, 11:29:55 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

Where does it say your supposed to support the team where your from? Surely it's up to the individual.

In the name of the team.

There probably some perfectly logical reasons to supporting a club from a different place to the one that you were born, grew up in or live in. I'd probably find it hard not to support Man U if "Lee Sharpe was the first Merlin sticker I ever got" or "when I was holding a fork one dinner time my Dad said I looked like the Man U mascot" or I had a red lunch box at school etc

It's never the trophies though.

So what if people wanna follow a successful team?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 09, 2011, 11:30:34 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

Where does it say your supposed to support the team where your from? Surely it's up to the individual.

I get tarnished for being glory boy. I do not give a shite. I am from Leicester and I support United. There's reasons for it that have nothing to do with their success. Success came many years after following them. I have also been to games. It also probably significantly difficult to get tickets to Man U games than any other clubs

I don't like other clubs but more to do with rivalry than anything else. Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

I hardly get to Nottingham ever to watch a game. But when living there I would go to every home game, at one stage I was also going to every home reserve game. In that city, you would have hardly been called a glory hunter if supporting Notts County, though I did start supporting them when they took the old fourth division by storm. Can you imagine the feeling of a County supporter whilst Forest were getting their annual open bus tour of the City with the league cup of other trophy. I supported County as I lived in the City, it was the nearest club and my next door neighbour was a County fan and took me to the home games when I was a kid. I still support them, after a 1/3rd of a century, even now I live in the South, you can't pick and choose you team and change with the wind. I am in a position to judge the obvious.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 09, 2011, 11:33:43 PM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!

I had a season ticket while living in poland. we were still shit though


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 09, 2011, 11:38:46 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

fk off im not gonna be supporting fanling united.  If i try hard I probs coulda made the team or even buy them out.
I support Man yoo because they wear a red shirt (lucky) and david beckham


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on January 09, 2011, 11:38:48 PM
The footy club you support is not about the team, the stadium or who owns it, its about the supporters, the local area and the history of that club.

If I supported a club 200 miles always from where I grew up then I wouldn't get it either.

So we have two sets of fans, those that are true to their local club however shit they are and those that aint.





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on January 09, 2011, 11:41:07 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

Where does it say your supposed to support the team where your from? Surely it's up to the individual.

In the name of the team.

There probably some perfectly logical reasons to supporting a club from a different place to the one that you were born, grew up in or live in. I'd probably find it hard not to support Man U if "Lee Sharpe was the first Merlin sticker I ever got" or "when I was holding a fork one dinner time my Dad said I looked like the Man U mascot" or I had a red lunch box at school etc

It's never the trophies though.

So what if people wanna follow a successful team?
I think everyone wants to follow a successful team don't they?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 11:47:03 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

Where does it say your supposed to support the team where your from? Surely it's up to the individual.

In the name of the team.

There probably some perfectly logical reasons to supporting a club from a different place to the one that you were born, grew up in or live in. I'd probably find it hard not to support Man U if "Lee Sharpe was the first Merlin sticker I ever got" or "when I was holding a fork one dinner time my Dad said I looked like the Man U mascot" or I had a red lunch box at school etc

It's never the trophies though.

So what if people wanna follow a successful team?
I think everyone wants to follow a successful team don't they?

To truly appreciate success you must have suffered failure, disappointment and heartache.

I admire the way Arsenal play football, but the complete outrage of some of their supporters because they haven't won a trophy since 2005 is pathetic.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 09, 2011, 11:48:38 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

fk off im not gonna be supporting fanling united.  If i try hard I probs coulda made the team or even buy them out.
I support Man yoo because they wear a red shirt (lucky) and david beckham

Barnsley and York City wear red too.

Keith Houchen used to play for York, he's as much of an icon as Beckham surely?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 09, 2011, 11:52:46 PM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

fk off im not gonna be supporting fanling united.  If i try hard I probs coulda made the team or even buy them out.
I support Man yoo because they wear a red shirt (lucky) and david beckham

Barnsley and York City wear red too.

Keith Houchen used to play for York, he's as much of an icon as Beckham surely?

barnsley and york city were not on the tv in fanling

also who is houchen
btw i was born in the 1986 :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 09, 2011, 11:57:44 PM
I want to play. Will try not to swear.

I hate that half their fans are prawn sandwich business sorts loads of which are Chinese/Japanese, (Paul Houk will call me racist again now no doubt) and the other half are Londoners.

When i went to the fa cup game last year at Old Trafford (which we won 1-0 fwiw) i saw lots of Asian fans with scarves on that were half Man Utd half Leeds designs. How ridiciolous is that! We have hated each other for 40 years. Its just a business now, more so than any other club.

I hate the fact they never go to the games/mention their games all season yet never stfu when they win a trophy.

I hate that they think they have fanatical, fantastic support but when you watch 17/19 home league games on TV the place is always like a graveyard. (I will concede their away support is v good but that is no doubt the 3,000 or so old school hardcore).

I hate all the scummy people on Camel's list.

I hate Alex Ferguson and his moaning and cheating.

The only thing i remotely like about them is that the only time i've been to Old Trafford for an away game we did them 1-0 when we were in League One! (duno if i've mentioned that yet)
racist

we eat prawn sandwichs cos its the most expensive thing that you can get for free if you are over their on business

its like in buffets u eat all the prawns and mussels coz they are more expensive then chips. I dont give a shit which ones taste nice as long as its expensive.

same with louis vuitton we like it coz its expensive


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 10, 2011, 12:05:56 AM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

fk off im not gonna be supporting fanling united.  If i try hard I probs coulda made the team or even buy them out.
I support Man yoo because they wear a red shirt (lucky) and david beckham

Barnsley and York City wear red too.

Keith Houchen used to play for York, he's as much of an icon as Beckham surely?

barnsley and york city were not on the tv in fanling

also who is houchen
btw i was born in the 1986 :)

Keith Houchen:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5-ANGlhuM


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on January 10, 2011, 12:16:16 AM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!

How much of this do you attribute to you changing your 'stars avatar?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 10, 2011, 12:22:44 AM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!

How much of this do you attribute to your changing your 'stars avatar?

Almost completly.

Shouldn't you being watching the NFL?

Exciting finish!



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on January 10, 2011, 12:27:46 AM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!

How much of this do you attribute to your changing your 'stars avatar?

Almost completly.

Shouldn't you being watching the NFL?

Exciting finish!



7.5 pts. should be enough, although it should really be all over.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on January 10, 2011, 12:29:16 AM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!

How much of this do you attribute to your changing your 'stars avatar?

Almost completly.

Shouldn't you being watching the NFL?

Exciting finish!



7.5 pts. should be enough, although it should really be all over.

Philly will go for 2 if they happen to score, so it isn't all over quite yet...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on January 10, 2011, 12:33:57 AM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!

How much of this do you attribute to your changing your 'stars avatar?

Almost completly.

Shouldn't you being watching the NFL?

Exciting finish!



7.5 pts. should be enough, although it should really be all over.

Philly will go for 2 if they happen to score, so it isn't all over quite yet...

I realize that, I meant that GB should really have had it totally wrapped up by now.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on January 10, 2011, 12:35:22 AM
I support my local team.  My son will support either my team or if we dont live in Leeds the local team where we live.  Its all been said.

I'm a supporter.

George/Paul Ho etc are fans and have a favourite club.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on January 10, 2011, 12:37:35 AM
BTW are there any Man Utd fans on here that are from Manchester, actually live there and go to games?

I dont want to hear about 'I lived there for 17 mins in 1981'


Stupid question as they would support citeh


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 10, 2011, 12:48:32 AM
(http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m389/_gatso_/george.jpg?t=1294620389)

made me lol. george has only supported them for 8 minutes


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on January 10, 2011, 12:50:06 AM
(http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m389/_gatso_/george.jpg?t=1294620389)

made me lol. george has only supported them for 8 minutes

im actually a barca fan, always have been even when they were sh*t.  my dad went to see them play once and i just always supported them.  Dont get to many games, tickets are hard to come by and its quite a long way to go.  


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: dino1980 on January 10, 2011, 12:56:42 AM
Quote
I admire the way Arsenal play football, but the complete outrage of some of their supporters because they haven't won a trophy since 2005 is pathetic.

QFT if anyone's read Why England Lose - also released as Soccernomics - (http://tinyurl.com/22qmo9a) then it shows that it's quite normal that Arsenal haven't won anything since 2005.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 10, 2011, 01:10:59 AM
(http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m389/_gatso_/george.jpg?t=1294620389)

made me lol. george has only supported them for 8 minutes

lol. Rumbled


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 10, 2011, 02:03:08 AM
Quote
I admire the way Arsenal play football, but the complete outrage of some of their supporters because they haven't won a trophy since 2005 is pathetic.

QFT if anyone's read Why England Lose - also released as Soccernomics - (http://tinyurl.com/22qmo9a) then it shows that it's quite normal that Arsenal haven't won anything since 2005.

Good post.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 10, 2011, 02:05:04 AM
What do Utd fans think of the debt and long term situation?

More medium term how do you think you'll cope when financial fair play kicks in?

What do you think of Fergie's tactics in Euope, especially away from home?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 10, 2011, 02:07:31 AM
If you can't replace Fergie with an all time great manager what do you think of the director of football/coach approach which seems to be the future for clubs who can't all have a 10 year plus great manger?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 10, 2011, 04:33:58 AM
TBH  i dont really support man yooo
i did when i was a kid but i dont support anyone know foot ball bores me slightly not as exciting as it used to be.
i went to old trafford once
thought it was shit never wanna go again unless its a super big game



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 10, 2011, 06:26:12 AM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

This.......and that's why football generates so much passion.  I feel I have to do my bit to keep the family tradition going......it's in your blood and it aint gonna go away!

So if you don't come from Manchester, and your parents don't come from Manchester but they do support Manchester United - then it's allowed for you to support them because you're following the family tradition?

And Man U have only been super successful  for about 20 years - so anyone supporting them for longer than that isn't doing it for glory hunting presumably?
Are they let off not living in Manchester, or is that not allowed - even if they weren't just following the trophies to start with?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on January 10, 2011, 06:39:22 AM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

Where does it say your supposed to support the team where your from? Surely it's up to the individual.

In the name of the team.

There probably some perfectly logical reasons to supporting a club from a different place to the one that you were born, grew up in or live in. I'd probably find it hard not to support Man U if "Lee Sharpe was the first Merlin sticker I ever got" or "when I was holding a fork one dinner time my Dad said I looked like the Man U mascot" or I had a red lunch box at school etc

It's never the trophies though.

So what if people wanna follow a successful team?
I think everyone wants to follow a successful team don't they?

To truly appreciate success you must have suffered failure, disappointment and heartache.

I admire the way Arsenal play football, but the complete outrage of some of their supporters because they haven't won a trophy since 2005 is pathetic.

Have to say that having watched Arsenal through the 70's I like the current situation

I enjoyed the invincibles time too as we stuck it right in United's eye but overall I like tht we don't win every week - it does develop the feeling of entitlement and a wrong kind of disappointment when you dont win that is very far from being a terrce supporter.

The way we play, the reltively sound financial situation are great triumphs in a terribly cynical time and personally, since the Champs league went 4 places and the cups became devalued I'm pretty content if we look good, retain great players, finish in the top4 and win fk all else

Most exciting recent season was when Spurs nearly pipped us to 4th place


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Longy on January 10, 2011, 08:55:03 AM
I am actually grateful I don't support one of the mega clubs. Any little bit of success my club achieves means the world to me, I can't imagine that it would mean as much if my club won a trophy every year or expected to. The highs supporting a smaller club are massive as most of it is mediocre or worse.

I think I am bit of a sadist tbh, even when I got to have my pick of the crop when it came to US sports teams. I ended supporting one that hasn't made the Superbowl in the 25 years I have followed them and one that hasn't won the World series in over a century. It is going to be fking sweet when they do win something!



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Somerled on January 10, 2011, 09:36:14 AM


More medium term how do you think you'll cope when financial fair play kicks in?



This is an interesting question. And deserves some thought imo.

As far as I can make out Man Utd don't have any debt - it's the owners who have the debt and use Man Utd's profits to finance their borrowings. The exact reverse to Man City & Chelski who have enormous mounds of debts which are just paid off by their rich owners.

Whilst this is a huge problem for Man Utd in terms of buying players and strengthening the squad i don't think they would fall foul of the proposed regulations as they make a profit each year and have a very low wages/turnover ratio.

I haven't studied it in much depth though so could be completely wrong.


And no I'm not a Man Utd fan but I don't hate them either. I save my vitriol for more worthy targets.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ironside on January 10, 2011, 09:50:06 AM
How does it feel to be out the cup in the 4th round?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on January 10, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
In all seriousness have no idea why people get wound up by United fans being from all over

Why care so much?
Because you should support where you come from. That's the whole point. The club is representing your city/town/village etc. I know people move around a lot more these days but there is a disproportionate amount of scum fans everywhere just because sad individuals need to support the best team.
Support your local team or the team passed on to you from generation to generation. If you want to support winners just look at the results at 5 then watch match of the day and cheer on the teams you know go on to win.

This.......and that's why football generates so much passion.  I feel I have to do my bit to keep the family tradition going......it's in your blood and it aint gonna go away!

So if you don't come from Manchester, and your parents don't come from Manchester but they do support Manchester United - then it's allowed for you to support them because you're following the family tradition?

And Man U have only been super successful  for about 20 years - so anyone supporting them for longer than that isn't doing it for glory hunting presumably?
Are they let off not living in Manchester, or is that not allowed - even if they weren't just following the trophies to start with?

They can do what they like, and fair play for following the family tradition, but in these types of cases, I just can't see where the passion comes from for the individual.
I suppose it's different for me as I was born in Nottingham, still live in Notts, and the whole family follow Forest.  When we lose it bloody hurts....I can't help it...it just does.

I just can't relate to the Man Utd fans who live all over, and have never been to the games.  When they lose, does it really pain these fans, probably not, they just go "oh well" but most fans suffer many many lows and you just can't buy supporting your local, lowly team for which you "feel" is a real part of you.





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on January 10, 2011, 09:57:17 AM
How does it feel to be out the cup in the 4th round?

Not applicable
 :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 10, 2011, 12:25:13 PM
According to the Premier League's Fan Survey for 2007/2008 (the most recent I could find with this specific measure) the distance lived from the ground has been steadily increasing

Quote
Distance lived from the ground
On average, supporters live 49 miles from the
club stadium, compared to a 47-mile average
last year and 45 the year before that –
supporting your favourite football club would
appear to be becoming more of a long-distance
occupation for some. Indeed, one in five
supporters (18%) now lives over 100 miles
away from their club
– reinforcing this idea of
the strong pull of Premier League clubs.

Manchester United fans, according to this survey, lived, on average 78 miles from Old Trafford. Manchester City fans travel just over the average at 50 miles, and Arsenal just under at 48.

You'd think that 78 miles would put United at the top of the league in this respect, but one club has fans who, on average, come from further afield...


P32 Figure 5.4 if you want to know which club that is.  http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/67/f8/0,,12306~129127,00.pdf
You may be surprised


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 10, 2011, 12:31:20 PM
According to the Premier League's Fan Survey for 2007/2008 (the most recent I could find with this specific measure) the distance lived from the ground has been steadily increasing

Quote
Distance lived from the ground
On average, supporters live 49 miles from the
club stadium, compared to a 47-mile average
last year and 45 the year before that –
supporting your favourite football club would
appear to be becoming more of a long-distance
occupation for some. Indeed, one in five
supporters (18%) now lives over 100 miles
away from their club
– reinforcing this idea of
the strong pull of Premier League clubs.

Manchester United fans, according to this survey, lived, on average 78 miles from Old Trafford. Manchester City fans travel just over the average at 50 miles, and Arsenal just under at 48.

You'd think that 78 miles would put United at the top of the league in this respect, but one club has fans who, on average, come from further afield...


P32 Figure 5.4 if you want to know which club that is.  http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/67/f8/0,,12306~129127,00.pdf
You may be surprised

I think there was another survey which showed that there were a larger number of Man U season ticket holders who lived in the Manchester area than there was of of Man City season ticket holders.

I was going to post something about that earlier when somebody suggested something along the lines of actual Mancunians supporting City but I still can't find the actual report to back it up.

But basically if you happen to meet a football fan from Manchester - they're most likely to be a Man U supporter


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on January 10, 2011, 01:02:00 PM
According to the Premier League's Fan Survey for 2007/2008 (the most recent I could find with this specific measure) the distance lived from the ground has been steadily increasing

Quote
Distance lived from the ground
On average, supporters live 49 miles from the
club stadium, compared to a 47-mile average
last year and 45 the year before that –
supporting your favourite football club would
appear to be becoming more of a long-distance
occupation for some. Indeed, one in five
supporters (18%) now lives over 100 miles
away from their club
– reinforcing this idea of
the strong pull of Premier League clubs.

Manchester United fans, according to this survey, lived, on average 78 miles from Old Trafford. Manchester City fans travel just over the average at 50 miles, and Arsenal just under at 48.

You'd think that 78 miles would put United at the top of the league in this respect, but one club has fans who, on average, come from further afield...


P32 Figure 5.4 if you want to know which club that is.  http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/67/f8/0,,12306~129127,00.pdf
You may be surprised

Not suprised at all.....my money was on either Liverpoo or Chelski

Good article that one.

I like the bit which states "this reinforces the strong pull of Premier League teams" made me lol.  I'm glad I support my home town club where I was born.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 10, 2011, 01:06:46 PM
+1 to not surprised. I assumed it'd be liverpool so tuned in for the surprise and was disappointed to be correct


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on January 10, 2011, 05:45:50 PM
Also don't think there's many people on here who are in a position to judge- u all have season tickets do you?

yes thanks, so does that mean I can judge?

I'd actually say most people who've posted on here up to now also have STs or attend games regularly

I've lived in the North East for 7 years now, and this is the first season I've let my season ticket lapse.

FML that this is this the most successful season for nearly 30 years!

How much of this do you attribute to your changing your 'stars avatar?

Almost completly.

Shouldn't you being watching the NFL?

Exciting finish!



7.5 pts. should be enough, although it should really be all over.

Philly will go for 2 if they happen to score, so it isn't all over quite yet...

I'm still puzzled over why they would have gone for two if they'd have scored.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 10, 2011, 06:27:01 PM
Pretty sure it's against the club. I'll read up later.



More medium term how do you think you'll cope when financial fair play kicks in?



This is an interesting question. And deserves some thought imo.

As far as I can make out Man Utd don't have any debt - it's the owners who have the debt and use Man Utd's profits to finance their borrowings. The exact reverse to Man City & Chelski who have enormous mounds of debts which are just paid off by their rich owners.

Whilst this is a huge problem for Man Utd in terms of buying players and strengthening the squad i don't think they would fall foul of the proposed regulations as they make a profit each year and have a very low wages/turnover ratio.

I haven't studied it in much depth though so could be completely wrong.


And no I'm not a Man Utd fan but I don't hate them either. I save my vitriol for more worthy targets.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 10, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
I'm still puzzled over why they would have gone for two if they'd have scored.

you posted at 21-16 presumably? a td makes it 21-22 which in the last few seconds is effectively the same as 21-23 as the chances of scoring a safety are basically zero. a 2 pointer though makes it a 3 point game so they can give up a fg and still go to ot. then a philly td screws your spread


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 10, 2011, 06:46:50 PM
in the interests of balance it should be noted that I heart eric cantona


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 10, 2011, 06:48:27 PM
This thread has tilted me so hard.  I'm no less of a supporter of my club, just cos I don't live or grew up next door to the ground.  I know its aimed more at Man u fans, but hate this fcking argument.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 10, 2011, 06:53:03 PM
This thread has tilted me so hard.  I'm no less of a supporter of my club, just cos I don't live or grew up next door to the ground.  I know its aimed more at Man u fans, but hate this fcking argument.

Im sure there's some die hard fans who support clubs nowhere near them. Haterz gonna hate cos United are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

But as you've pointed out this does apply to others


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: relaedgc on January 10, 2011, 07:08:32 PM
(http://bigfourza.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/howard_webb.jpg)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 10, 2011, 07:12:54 PM
1   Man Utd   20   24   44
2   Man City   22   17   42
3   Arsenal   21   20   40
4   Tottenham   21   6   36
5   Chelsea   21   17   35
6   Sunderland   22   3   33
7   Bolton   22   5   30
8   Newcastle   21   3   28
9   Blackburn   22   -6   28
10   Stoke   21   0   27
11   Everton   21   -2   25
12   Liverpool   20   -3   25
13   Blackpool   19   -5   25
14   Fulham   21   -2   22
15   Birmingham   20   -5   22
16   West Brom   21   -13   22
17   Wolves   21   -13   21
18   Aston Villa   21   -15   21
19   Wigan   21   -15   21
20   West Ham   22   -16   20


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 10, 2011, 07:21:45 PM
(http://bigfourza.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/howard_webb.jpg)

As if he'd be seen in last year's shirt!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on January 10, 2011, 07:27:31 PM
1   Man Utd   20   24   44
2   Man City   22   17   42
3   Arsenal   21   20   40
4   Tottenham   21   6   36
5   Chelsea   21   17   35
6   Sunderland   22   3   33
7   Bolton   22   5   30
8   Newcastle   21   3   28
9   Blackburn   22   -6   28
10   Stoke   21   0   27
11   Everton   21   -2   25
12   Liverpool   20   -3   25
13   Blackpool   19   -5   25
14   Fulham   21   -2   22
15   Birmingham   20   -5   22
16   West Brom   21   -13   22
17   Wolves   21   -13   21
18   Aston Villa   21   -15   21
19   Wigan   21   -15   21
20   West Ham   22   -16   20

 ;D


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 10, 2011, 07:36:40 PM
1   Man Utd   20   24   44
2   Man City   22   17   42
3   Arsenal   21   20   40
4   Tottenham   21   6   36
5   Chelsea   21   17   35
6   Sunderland   22   3   33
7   Bolton   22   5   30
8   Newcastle   21   3   28
9   Blackburn   22   -6   28
10   Stoke   21   0   27
11   Everton   21   -2   25
12   Liverpool   20   -3   25
13   Blackpool   19   -5   25
14   Fulham   21   -2   22
15   Birmingham   20   -5   22
16   West Brom   21   -13   22
17   Wolves   21   -13   21
18   Aston Villa   21   -15   21
19   Wigan   21   -15   21
20   West Ham   22   -16   20


2pts clear with 2 games in hand looks so pretty


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sledge13 on January 10, 2011, 07:58:28 PM
A sight to make you smile...

http://www.yorkcityfc.com/history/manua.php

GG Giggs, Beckham etc...

(pity York sold all their players and ended up toss)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: KarmaDope on January 10, 2011, 07:59:42 PM
That post of the league table above simplifies why I hate (for lack of a better word) Man Yoo/Chelsea gloryhunters.

I just don't get the point in doing that? I wouldn't do it if roles were reversed. I'd be more likely to laugh at Chelsea in George's position, as it's been known from the start that Liverpool would be lucky to hit Europa League. Liverpool are where they should be.

Chelsea, on the other hand...should be up with MU, not 9 points below.

Would someone please explain the need for posts like that relating to a football team. Just makes the poster(s) look childish.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 10, 2011, 08:06:03 PM
That post of the league table above simplifies why I hate (for lack of a better word) Man Yoo/Chelsea gloryhunters.

I just don't get the point in doing that? I wouldn't do it if roles were reversed. I'd be more likely to laugh at Chelsea in George's position, as it's been known from the start that Liverpool would be lucky to hit Europa League. Liverpool are where they should be.

Chelsea, on the other hand...should be up with MU, not 9 points below.

Would someone please explain the need for posts like that relating to a football team. Just makes the poster(s) look childish.

and posting the image of a Howard Webb in a man u shirt is ok? Plus all the haters posting?

 I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 10, 2011, 08:07:49 PM
I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

I consider it abs genius that the liverpool fans got you to start a utd hate thread


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: KarmaDope on January 10, 2011, 08:10:05 PM
That post of the league table above simplifies why I hate (for lack of a better word) Man Yoo/Chelsea gloryhunters.

I just don't get the point in doing that? I wouldn't do it if roles were reversed. I'd be more likely to laugh at Chelsea in George's position, as it's been known from the start that Liverpool would be lucky to hit Europa League. Liverpool are where they should be.

Chelsea, on the other hand...should be up with MU, not 9 points below.

Would someone please explain the need for posts like that relating to a football team. Just makes the poster(s) look childish.

and posting the image of a Howard Webb in a man u shirt is ok? Plus all the haters posting?

 I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

The Howard Webb thing is stupid. He's a ref, he can make mistakes. FYI, I agreed with the Gerrard red and thought the pen was ridic soft. As people have said, we'd have prob got the same had it been Anfield.

Just looks petty and juvenile from both sides. It's 2 football clubs ffs, not life and death.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on January 10, 2011, 08:28:50 PM
That post of the league table above simplifies why I hate (for lack of a better word) Man Yoo/Chelsea gloryhunters.

I just don't get the point in doing that? I wouldn't do it if roles were reversed. I'd be more likely to laugh at Chelsea in George's position, as it's been known from the start that Liverpool would be lucky to hit Europa League. Liverpool are where they should be.

Chelsea, on the other hand...should be up with MU, not 9 points below.

Would someone please explain the need for posts like that relating to a football team. Just makes the poster(s) look childish.

and posting the image of a Howard Webb in a man u shirt is ok? Plus all the haters posting?

 I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

The Howard Webb thing is stupid. He's a ref, he can make mistakes. FYI, I agreed with the Gerrard red and thought the pen was ridic soft. As people have said, we'd have prob got the same had it been Anfield.

Just looks petty and juvenile from both sides. It's 2 football clubs ffs, not life and death.
Wasn`t it Shankly that said football is greater than life or death ?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 10, 2011, 08:30:07 PM
That post of the league table above simplifies why I hate (for lack of a better word) Man Yoo/Chelsea gloryhunters.

I just don't get the point in doing that? I wouldn't do it if roles were reversed. I'd be more likely to laugh at Chelsea in George's position, as it's been known from the start that Liverpool would be lucky to hit Europa League. Liverpool are where they should be.

Chelsea, on the other hand...should be up with MU, not 9 points below.

Would someone please explain the need for posts like that relating to a football team. Just makes the poster(s) look childish.

and posting the image of a Howard Webb in a man u shirt is ok? Plus all the haters posting?

 I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

The Howard Webb thing is stupid. He's a ref, he can make mistakes. FYI, I agreed with the Gerrard red and thought the pen was ridic soft. As people have said, we'd have prob got the same had it been Anfield.

Just looks petty and juvenile from both sides. It's 2 football clubs ffs, not life and death.
Wasn`t it Shankly that said football is greater than life or death ?

He said it was more important than that.


( I misread quoted passage, making my post, this one, useless, I could delete but left it as a warning against speed/sleep reading)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Longy on January 10, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

What you need to start doing is posting 7 billion paragraphs worth of text from some biased journalist in this thread. That only supporters of that team could be arsed reading.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on January 10, 2011, 10:03:21 PM
I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

What you need to start doing is posting 7 billion paragraphs worth of text from some biased journalist in this thread. That only supporters of that team could be arsed reading.



 rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 10, 2011, 11:34:07 PM
I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

I consider it abs genius that the liverpool fans got you to start a utd hate thread

Lol exactly


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 10, 2011, 11:35:31 PM
I started this thread at the request of a few sensitive Liverpool fans and all its been used as a I hate man u thread.

What you need to start doing is posting 7 billion paragraphs worth of text from some biased journalist in this thread. That only supporters of that team could be arsed reading.



Keeps most of the trolls away except the really bitters. ;)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on January 11, 2011, 12:18:09 AM
I find no reason to hate man yoo as my team doesn't compete with them.One thing that I can 100% gte is I'm in no way jealous of Man yoo fans who get to celebrate a trophy pretty much every year as Newcastle winning one trophy in my lifetime will feel 10x better than 99% of Man yoo's fans feel about there continued success.

I'd also say it's not just about going to games and having a season ticket.I used to go to every home game and most away games but now I hardly go but I still have that desire inside me of wishing my team to do well.I feel sorry for those who are glory supporters and will never get that feeling.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 11, 2011, 09:46:40 AM
The Baron wants to know United fans views on Financial Fair Play - will it affect Manchester United?

The club says 'no' - but then they would say that wouldn't they...

The early analysis in May suggested that United only acheved a profit in the last accounts because of the sale of Ronaldo and that they might struggle to mee the criteria in future years. I'm sure this brought a smile for many supporters of ther clubs.

More considered analysis now suggests that we are aongst the better managed clubs - The Times Financial Fair Play League which attributes a weighting to points gained in the league based on a number of financial well-being factors had United in 6th at the 29th November (I won't pay a subscription and can't find a more up to date table). Chelsea were a surprising 10th and two of the bottom three spots were occupied by Citeh and Liverpool. Arsenal and THFC were 3rd and 5th respectively.

This table doesn't necessarily show that we will be safe under the new rules, but it does show that our administrative management is as on the ball as SAF's team and I certainly have no fears about our ability to meet these requirements without reducing our effectiveness as a football team.

I'd be seriously surprised if either Chelsea or Liverpool failed the test when the time comes - I'd be less surprised if Citeh failed, but I'd still be surprised. It would be an act of suicidal folly to allow your club to miss out on the benefits of CL or even Europa League football and all clubs will be looking at ways of converting loans to 'investment' and rebalancig their wages/income equation.

The rules will remove the benefits of mega-wealthy ownership - not something that United have ever had the benefit from


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on January 11, 2011, 05:51:01 PM
"I hear a lot about the fans - that most of the people from Manchester are City fans." - Dzeko

He'll fit in well I reckon.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 12, 2011, 12:07:19 AM
The Baron wants to know United fans views on Financial Fair Play - will it affect Manchester United?

The club says 'no' - but then they would say that wouldn't they...

The early analysis in May suggested that United only acheved a profit in the last accounts because of the sale of Ronaldo and that they might struggle to mee the criteria in future years. I'm sure this brought a smile for many supporters of ther clubs.

More considered analysis now suggests that we are aongst the better managed clubs - The Times Financial Fair Play League which attributes a weighting to points gained in the league based on a number of financial well-being factors had United in 6th at the 29th November (I won't pay a subscription and can't find a more up to date table). Chelsea were a surprising 10th and two of the bottom three spots were occupied by Citeh and Liverpool. Arsenal and THFC were 3rd and 5th respectively.

This table doesn't necessarily show that we will be safe under the new rules, but it does show that our administrative management is as on the ball as SAF's team and I certainly have no fears about our ability to meet these requirements without reducing our effectiveness as a football team.

I'd be seriously surprised if either Chelsea or Liverpool failed the test when the time comes - I'd be less surprised if Citeh failed, but I'd still be surprised. It would be an act of suicidal folly to allow your club to miss out on the benefits of CL or even Europa League football and all clubs will be looking at ways of converting loans to 'investment' and rebalancig their wages/income equation.

The rules will remove the benefits of mega-wealthy ownership - not something that United have ever had the benefit from

Maybe I have it wrong then I thought it was much more than wages vs income etc. I thought it was created so that if you were a club in debt (and Utds is very long term debt) then you couldn't compete in European competition and the sanctions may be as severe as transfer embargos.

In fact I cant find one link that tells us exactly what it does.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 12, 2011, 01:13:38 AM
Clubs could be banned from European competition from the 2014/15 season onwards if they do not comply with new financial rules.

The rules state clubs must break even over a three-year period.

Club owners will be allowed to put in up to €15million a year but only as equity, not a loan. This figure will then drop to €10million annually.

Clubs will be able to spend as much as they want on stadiums, training facilities and youth football.

UEFA will have a range of sanctions from warnings to a transfer ban to exclusion from European tournaments.

Across Europe, total club income in 2009 rose 4.8% to €11.7billion, but expenditure was a 9.3% increase to €12.9billion, making a €1.2billion deficit.

Most of the expenditure goes on player wages and one in three European clubs spent 70% or more of their income on salaries.

56% of European clubs ended 2009 in the red.

One in four clubs spent €6 for every €5 they earned.

A drop in transfer activity has reduced income by 5% to clubs in Scotland, France, Portugal and Holland.

English top-flight clubs are comfortably the richest in Europe with average revenue of €122million - five times higher than Holland and Russia.

Germany is second with average earnings of €86million.

Scottish top-flight clubs' average revenue in 2009 was €16m, the League of Ireland €1.3m, Northern Ireland 0.7m and Wales 0.3m .

Clubs will be monitored if there are warning signs such as: recording a loss in any year; spending more than 70% of revenue on wages; having overdue football-related payments or tax debts; high level of debts.

As with a tax declaration, the onus is on the clubs to provide the correct information to UEFA and they will be subject to spot-checks and face sanctions if they do not do so.

National associations will initially grant the licences but UEFA will have spot-checks to make sure that the rules are being applied correctly.

From my understanding this makes interest on your debt a huge problem.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 12, 2011, 06:23:06 AM
Notionally the high level of debt for Man U sounds like it could be a problem, but as suggested before the exact definition of who holds the debt could be the simple way that it isn't.

More generally, as far as I'm aware, the club is run very well financially - huge operating profit, less than 50% of turnover spent on wages etc - so even if they get flagged with warning signs, they probably wouldn't face sanctions (as long as it's looked at by accountants and not done politically)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 12, 2011, 10:30:22 AM

Fans who have just turned up in the last 5 years and think Chelsea are a big club


this

more so than any ever club

lol bullshit, quantify this.

Look at Man United, any of their fans actually live in Manc?

errmmm Yes?

7,808 of them with season tickets  according to the last (only?) study of where season ticket holders for the two Manchester clubs live (2001) found that there were more Manchester Postcodes on the Old Traffod list than there were on the Maine Rd list. Yet Citeh continue to claim the 'local' tag.
Loads more in the peripheral postcodes too.

Do Chelsea fans all live in Chelsea?


What's this as a proportion of the stadia?

Rather than clog the celery thread I'll respond to this here - Capacity in those years was around 65,000 so it's about 12%.
There were another 3500 or so that lived in the surrounding postcodes too - making c18%

The data is all rather old now, but it does rather kill the myth about MUFC supporters all living in Surrey... (which of course is actually a hotbed of Chelsea support)



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 12, 2011, 11:25:56 AM
"I hear a lot about the fans - that most of the people from Manchester are City fans." - Dzeko

He'll fit in well I reckon.

Yeah I giggled when he said that


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 12, 2011, 11:29:37 AM


Clubs will be able to spend as much as they want on stadiums, training facilities and youth football.

so just pay £25mill for a youngster then, job done


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on January 12, 2011, 12:42:36 PM
I'm still puzzled over why they would have gone for two if they'd have scored.

you posted at 21-16 presumably? a td makes it 21-22 which in the last few seconds is effectively the same as 21-23 as the chances of scoring a safety are basically zero. a 2 pointer though makes it a 3 point game so they can give up a fg and still go to ot. then a philly td screws your spread

Ahh, I get it now. Cheers.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Robert HM on January 12, 2011, 06:37:29 PM
http://newsthump.com/2010/12/31/referee-howard-webb-awarded-mbe-for-services-to-manchester-united/


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 12, 2011, 06:47:10 PM
 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao



new site for me
liked this too http://newsthump.com/2011/01/10/psychiatrists-warn-of-the-mental-health-risks-associated-with-managing-liverpool/


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 12, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
If the % of city's stadium is higher they have a good shout for being the club of the city though?


Fans who have just turned up in the last 5 years and think Chelsea are a big club


this

more so than any ever club

lol bullshit, quantify this.

Look at Man United, any of their fans actually live in Manc?

errmmm Yes?

7,808 of them with season tickets  according to the last (only?) study of where season ticket holders for the two Manchester clubs live (2001) found that there were more Manchester Postcodes on the Old Traffod list than there were on the Maine Rd list. Yet Citeh continue to claim the 'local' tag.
Loads more in the peripheral postcodes too.

Do Chelsea fans all live in Chelsea?


What's this as a proportion of the stadia?

Rather than clog the celery thread I'll respond to this here - Capacity in those years was around 65,000 so it's about 12%.
There were another 3500 or so that lived in the surrounding postcodes too - making c18%

The data is all rather old now, but it does rather kill the myth about MUFC supporters all living in Surrey... (which of course is actually a hotbed of Chelsea support)




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 12, 2011, 08:30:11 PM
If the % of city's stadium is higher they have a good shout for being the club of the city though?


TBH the whole analysis of this is so open to abusive interpretaion that it's barely worth arguing about

But - if you can sell 78,000 tickets each game then you buiild a stadium that can accomodate that number - you then choose how many season ticket holders you want.

If you select a manchester resident at random and ask if they have a season ticket for United or City then it is more likely that they will support United than City. Does that give United a shout at being the 'club of the city'?

The study is pretty flawed if you're trying to prove one or the other so the answer to both your question and mine is probably no btw










Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 12, 2011, 08:48:03 PM
If the % of city's stadium is higher they have a good shout for being the club of the city though?


....
If you select a manchester resident at random and ask if they have a season ticket for United or City then it is more likely that they will support United than City. Does that give United a shout at being the 'club of the city'?
...

I don't think what proportion of a clubs support can possibly be used.

If you have a club with a million fans and 900,000 of them are local - is that not the 'club of the city' just because another club has 10 season ticket holders and all 10 of them are local?

The only basic measurement that makes any sense statistically and logically is what proportion of the city itself supports the club.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 12, 2011, 10:47:03 PM
If the % of city's stadium is higher they have a good shout for being the club of the city though?


TBH the whole analysis of this is so open to abusive interpretaion that it's barely worth arguing about

But - if you can sell 78,000 tickets each game then you buiild a stadium that can accomodate that number - you then choose how many season ticket holders you want.

If you select a manchester resident at random and ask if they have a season ticket for United or City then it is more likely that they will support United than City. Does that give United a shout at being the 'club of the city'?

The study is pretty flawed if you're trying to prove one or the other so the answer to both your question and mine is probably no btw










So we're agreed this 'evidence' is pants for any statistical analysis?

City club of the city imo ;)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 13, 2011, 07:00:40 AM
If the % of city's stadium is higher they have a good shout for being the club of the city though?


TBH the whole analysis of this is so open to abusive interpretaion that it's barely worth arguing about

But - if you can sell 78,000 tickets each game then you buiild a stadium that can accomodate that number - you then choose how many season ticket holders you want.

If you select a manchester resident at random and ask if they have a season ticket for United or City then it is more likely that they will support United than City. Does that give United a shout at being the 'club of the city'?

The study is pretty flawed if you're trying to prove one or the other so the answer to both your question and mine is probably no btw










So we're agreed this 'evidence' is pants for any statistical analysis?

City club of the city imo ;)

Lol it seemed to be your opinion that replacing Hodgson with Dalglish would bring immediate impact ....



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 13, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
Nearly as funny as Utd as the club of Manchester!

If the % of city's stadium is higher they have a good shout for being the club of the city though?


TBH the whole analysis of this is so open to abusive interpretaion that it's barely worth arguing about

But - if you can sell 78,000 tickets each game then you buiild a stadium that can accomodate that number - you then choose how many season ticket holders you want.

If you select a manchester resident at random and ask if they have a season ticket for United or City then it is more likely that they will support United than City. Does that give United a shout at being the 'club of the city'?

The study is pretty flawed if you're trying to prove one or the other so the answer to both your question and mine is probably no btw










So we're agreed this 'evidence' is pants for any statistical analysis?

City club of the city imo ;)

Lol it seemed to be your opinion that replacing Hodgson with Dalglish would bring immediate impact ....




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 13, 2011, 02:14:45 PM
anyone know how many of fc united's st holders are from the manc area? they're probs the club of the city even though they don't play in it


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on January 14, 2011, 08:56:39 AM
anyone know how many of fc united's st holders are from the manc area? they're probs the club of the city even though they don't play in it

bout 350


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 16, 2011, 05:04:38 PM
Rafael has really slotted in to the Gary Neville complete twat role at utd.

Two footed jump in against Liverpool last week, Stevie G style lunge against Spurs that only gets a yellow.Also waving imaginary cards will endear you to most fans.

For the record does anyone know if its a rule or not to get booked if you wave an imaginary card I though i had read that somewhere before but not too sure, I would have loved the ref to say to Rafael there you go theres your yellow card and hit the showers while you're at it.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 16, 2011, 05:06:31 PM
Rafael has really slotted in to the Gary Neville complete twat role at utd.

Two footed jump in against Liverpool last week, Stevie G style lunge against Spurs that only gets a yellow.Also waving imaginary cards will endear you to most fans.

For the record does anyone know if its a rule or not to get booked if you wave an imaginary card I though i had read that somewhere before but not too sure, I would have loved the ref to say to Rafael there you go theres your yellow card and hit the showers while you're at it.

I thought that asking for a card like that also meant you got one but am not sure whether that rule actually came in to effect.

I can't believe Andy Gray thought Crouch challenge was the same as Rafael's....I hate Andy Gray's commentary during a match (he's OK after it as I can switch it off then)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 16, 2011, 05:07:25 PM
Rafael has really slotted in to the Gary Neville complete twat role at utd.

Two footed jump in against Liverpool last week, Stevie G style lunge against Spurs that only gets a yellow.Also waving imaginary cards will endear you to most fans.

For the record does anyone know if its a rule or not to get booked if you wave an imaginary card I though i had read that somewhere before but not too sure, I would have loved the ref to say to Rafael there you go theres your yellow card and hit the showers while you're at it.

I agree. Reckon Rafael will follow in Neville's footsteps and become one of the best ever PL right backs


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 16, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Rafael has really slotted in to the Gary Neville complete twat role at utd.

Two footed jump in against Liverpool last week, Stevie G style lunge against Spurs that only gets a yellow.Also waving imaginary cards will endear you to most fans.

For the record does anyone know if its a rule or not to get booked if you wave an imaginary card I though i had read that somewhere before but not too sure, I would have loved the ref to say to Rafael there you go theres your yellow card and hit the showers while you're at it.

I agree. Reckon Rafael will follow in Neville's footsteps and become one of the best ever PL right backs

yea he's handling Bale well atm.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on January 16, 2011, 05:42:57 PM
cya


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 16, 2011, 05:44:59 PM
Rafael has really slotted in to the Gary Neville complete twat role at utd.

Two footed jump in against Liverpool last week, Stevie G style lunge against Spurs that only gets a yellow.Also waving imaginary cards will endear you to most fans.

For the record does anyone know if its a rule or not to get booked if you wave an imaginary card I though i had read that somewhere before but not too sure, I would have loved the ref to say to Rafael there you go theres your yellow card and hit the showers while you're at it.

I thought that asking for a card like that also meant you got one but am not sure whether that rule actually came in to effect.

I can't believe Andy Gray thought Crouch challenge was the same as Rafael's....I hate Andy Gray's commentary during a match (he's OK after it as I can switch it off then)

This


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 16, 2011, 05:46:39 PM
pretty sure imaginary cards still come under unsporting behaviour rather than specifically being a cautionable offence so it's down to the ref's discretion


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: maldini32 on January 16, 2011, 06:20:57 PM
vidic was immense today (apart from getting away with pulling van de vaart's shirt in the box) and rafael is a ***** for doing the imaginary card thingy


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 16, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
Still not playing anything like we know we can - too many misplaced passes too much possession conceded to think otherwise
Vidic was immense though and a very bright attacking side like Tottenham rarely threatened to score

Still top of the League
Still unbeaten


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 16, 2011, 08:17:05 PM
Still not playing anything like we know we can - too many misplaced passes too much possession conceded to think otherwise
Vidic was immense though and a very bright attacking side like Tottenham rarely threatened to score

Still top of the League
Still unbeaten


Genuine Q - chances of the CL this season?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 16, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
Still not playing anything like we know we can - too many misplaced passes too much possession conceded to think otherwise
Vidic was immense though and a very bright attacking side like Tottenham rarely threatened to score

Still top of the League
Still unbeaten


Genuine Q - chances of the CL this season?
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Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 16, 2011, 10:01:53 PM
Agree. I am shocked we are top tbh. We have been mediocre at best this year. Shows how shite everyone else is


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 16, 2011, 11:13:12 PM
Pretty fair comment but can't see other great European sides smashing it up either tbh. Barca again?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 17, 2011, 07:51:00 AM
Pretty fair comment but can't see other great European sides smashing it up either tbh. Barca again?

It has to be Barca, the way they are going.


and PSV for the Europa League obv :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 17, 2011, 08:30:14 AM
There's obviously a strong case for taking Barca to win again but ...

In early 50 yrs of supporting United I've always been an optimist about their chances - even in the dark days of the 70s when Alex Stepney was our joint top goalscorer at Christmas and the original King scored that goal at Maine Rd I couldn't be miserable about our chances.

We're playing badly by all measures - our top man is struggling, the midfield is short of class and the team isn't functioning as it should but we're still in the KO stages of the CL and the FA Cup and we're top of the league.

Why shouldn't I believe?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 17, 2011, 09:24:54 AM
Why shouldn't I believe?

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7402/xavilionelmessiandresin.jpg)

I know you mentioned it, but there is no but



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on January 17, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
I just can't see how any other team can win the CL.  It would take Barcelona having an off day and Rooney and Co. to come up with a spot of genius.  Although this is possible, neither of those things has happened yet.

Barcelona unstoppable this season IMO.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 17, 2011, 10:05:31 AM
Why shouldn't I believe?

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7402/xavilionelmessiandresin.jpg)

I know you mentioned it, but there is no but



Sigh...

but the Leeds fans believed last season at OT


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TheChipPrince on January 17, 2011, 10:08:15 AM
v v difficult to beat Barca over 2 legs, but can certainly happen, although they would have to underperform in 2 legs and the other team be on top form.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 17, 2011, 10:08:53 AM
Why shouldn't I believe?

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7402/xavilionelmessiandresin.jpg)

I know you mentioned it, but there is no but



Is it ghey to get a semi when looking at that picture?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 17, 2011, 04:29:59 PM
Found this article interesting and thought it would be rude not to share here.

'What is it about Howard Webb and Old Trafford' asked the front-page blurb
of F365 after Sunday's rather controversial FA Cup clash. Well now you can
judge for yourself with our guide to his last ten matches at OT...
 
Man United 1 Man City 2, February 10, 2008
City's victory is more comfortable than the scoreline suggests - United
score their goal in injury-time - and Webb enjoys a relatively easy day at
the office. The game marks the last time that United fail to win a game at
Old Trafford officiated by the Yorkshireman.
 
Man 2 United Arsenal 1, April 19, 2008
There is little argument from the Arsenal players - five of whom are booked
during the 90 minutes - when William Gallas handles in the area and Webb
awards a penalty that sees Cristiano Ronaldo equalise from the spot. Ten
minutes later, Owen Hargreaves - remember him? - scores United's winner
direct from a free-kick.
"You could give or not give the penalty. For the free-kick, Gilberto did
not touch him," complains Arsene Wenger.
 
Man United 3 Chelsea 0, January 11, 2009
Less than 48 hours after Rafa Benitez advises Luiz Felipe Scolari to
"man-mark" Ferguson and his coaching staff at half-time so that the referee
is protected from interference, Webb cautions four Chelsea players within
half an hour before a Nemanja Vidic header on the stroke of half-time sets
United on their way to an emphatic victory.
Just moments before the Vidic goal, Webb had ruled out a Wayne Rooney
'goal' after United had taken a short corner that went unnoticed by most
spectators inside Old Trafford.
 
Man United 2 Blackburn 1, February 21, 2009
Webb disallows a Jonny Evans header and cautions Cristiano Ronaldo for
diving shortly before the forward scores the game's winning goal. Rovers
complain afterwards that Ronaldo should have also been booked for flicking
out - it hardly amounts to a kick - at David Dunn but the game's most
controversial moment occurs in the final seconds when a clear shirt-pull
inside the area by Rafael on Morten Gamst Pedersen goes unpunished.
"It would have to be pretty blatant to get a penalty at Old Trafford. We
all know that," rages an angry Sam Allardyce. "You'd have to ask Howard
Webb if Ronaldo should have been on the pitch. Those things come and go
when you're playing at Old Trafford, don't they?"
 
Man United 5 Tottenham 2, April 24, 2009
In the words of the Daily Telegraph, 'it could have been the decision that
secured United the championship'. United are trailing 2-0 with barely half
an hour left to play when Webb - 'who was almost 35 yards away, and behind
play' - awards a penalty when Heurelho Gomes tangles with Michael Carrick.
Replays clearly show the goalkeeper took ball before man. "The players
can't believe it," says Harry Redknapp. "It changed the game." Momentum
shifted, Spurs collapse and United never looked back.
"I think it was a case of a referee crumbling under the pressure at Old
Trafford really," complains Jermaine Jenas. "The atmosphere, the occasion,
the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making
decisions. One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even
think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the
second half that he was going to give something. It was a very important
moment in the season."
 
Man United 3 Man City 1, January 27, 2010
Webb makes his first return to Old Trafford since the Gomes controversy for
the second-leg Carling Cup semi-final. United eventually progress to
Wembley courtesy of an injury-time aggregate winner from Wayne Rooney, but
the outcome could have been very different had Rio Ferdinand justifiably
received his marching orders after 24 minutes of play after a clash with
Carlos Tevez.
In the words of the BBC match report, 'Ferdinand was fortunate to escape
punishment from referee Howard Webb when he caught the Argentine in the
face with a swinging arm as they tussled for possession.'
 
Man United 2 Liverpool 1, March 21, 2010
Sir Alex Ferguson and Rafa Benitez clash on the touchline after Webb awards
the home side a controversial 19th-minute penalty that enables the
champions to draw level after Fernando Torres' early opener.
With replays also showing that the initial contact between Javier
Mascherano and Antonio Valencia occurred outside of the box, Benitez
accuses the United player of diving to win the penalty. Ferguson responds
by applauding Webb's decision and arguing Mascherano should have been
dismissed. "Refs are professional but we know about the influence of Sir
Alex in everything," counters Benitez.
 
Man United 3 Liverpool 2, September 19, 2010
Though Liverpool claw their way back into the match through two disputed
decisions, neither call is made by Webb. "They didn't offer anything and
depended on decisions from the linesman to get back in the game," notes Sir
Alex. With Darren Cann flagging for both infringements, and replays
offering no evidence that Webb would have awarded either the free-kick or
the penalty from which Steven Gerrard scores, the referee's big decision of
the day is whether or not to dismiss last man John O'Shea for pulling back
Fernando Torres.
As F365 argued at the time: 'The decision was taken quickly and apparently
made without any consultation between Webb and Darren Cann, his long-time
assistant whose flag-waving prompted the award of a free-kick. Ref365
argues in support of Webb on the basis that replays 'suggest' Torres would
not have reached the ball. Denied the use of a replay, it must have been a
50-50 call from the officials and it's certainly debatable whether a
defender making such a cynical foul in the full knowledge that he was the
last man deserved the benefit of any doubt.'
 
Man United 1 Arsenal 0, December 13, 2010
Cann is not on duty and it is Webb's new assistant Dave Bryan who awards
United a second-half penalty for a non-existent handball by Gael Clichy.
Webb rubber-stamps the award and justice - or something close to it - is
only served when Rooney blazes over the ball.
Four of the visitors are cautioned over the course of the game, while Rio
Ferdinand escapes punishment for a hip-high, studs-up challenge on Bacary
Sagna and Darren Fletcher isn't even cautioned for chasing after Webb
before pushing the official.
 
Man United 1 Liverpool 0, January 9, 2011
In sharp contrast to events six months previously, it is Webb, from a
distance of around 25 yards, who awards United their match-winning penalty
for an alleged offence that occurs on almost exactly the same part of the
pitch that saw Cann award Liverpool their penalty at Old Trafford in
September. Replays indicate that Berbatov falls to the ground in an
exaggerated fashion and show that Webb linesman did not signal that any
foul took place. "The penalty is a joke," says new Pool boss Kenny
Dalglish.
The Scot is further aggrieved by Webb's decision to dismiss Steven Gerrard
but there is little sympathy for the Liverpool captain after his reckless
lunge.
 
 


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 17, 2011, 04:36:01 PM
So he only made mistakes in Utd's favour in the last 8 out of the last 10 matches? That's not too bad.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 17, 2011, 05:05:28 PM
Apparently he was biassed towards Spain too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1293917/WORLD-CUP-2010-Holland-0-Spain-1--Dirty-Dutch-whine-Webb-bias.html

Seriously though, 'we wuz robbed' is the oldest cry in football


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 17, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
Apparently he was biassed towards Spain too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1293917/WORLD-CUP-2010-Holland-0-Spain-1--Dirty-Dutch-whine-Webb-bias.html

Seriously though, 'we wuz robbed' is the oldest cry in football

lol, that might just have been V Marwijk in the heat of the moment. Noone in Holland actually said this. (mainly because we missed most of the match as our heads were in our hands with shame at some of the challenges)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 17, 2011, 07:28:31 PM
Interestingly, and the whole thing is probably ripe for a tl;dr, Howard Webb is statistically prioven to 'favour' Liverpool almost as much as United

If you're researching from a Gooner perspective that is...

http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/8938


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 17, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
Why shouldn't I believe?

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7402/xavilionelmessiandresin.jpg)

I know you mentioned it, but there is no but



Is it ghey to get a semi when looking at that picture?

Probably but only a semi?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 17, 2011, 09:33:29 PM
Apparently he was biassed towards Spain too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1293917/WORLD-CUP-2010-Holland-0-Spain-1--Dirty-Dutch-whine-Webb-bias.html

Seriously though, 'we wuz robbed' is the oldest cry in football

Biased no. Bottler yes.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 21, 2011, 12:21:53 PM
Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 21, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?

Standard 4-5-1 would be my guess. Mancini only cares about getting top 4, he really doesn't seem to care about anything other than that


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 21, 2011, 02:30:40 PM
Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?

Standard 4-5-1 would be my guess. Mancini only cares about getting top 4, he really doesn't seem to care about anything other than that

He probably won't be there to see the plan through then. City fans won't settle for pragmatism in the derby - another 0-0 with them showing no great ambition to put one over on us by ending the unbeaten run won't count for much even if it helps them to 4th or even 3rd or 2nd



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on January 21, 2011, 02:33:29 PM
Doesn't look like we're adding to the squad this month - no real surprise there. Valencia is on his way back and there's plenty of decent cover available unless both Ferdinand and Vidic get injured/suspended at the same time.

Next four league games, Birmingham (H), Blackpool (A), Villa (H), Wolves (A) with a nice trip to the south coast for the Cup game in the middle.

Our unbeaten start in the League should be extended to 25 games by the time the City game comes round

Will Mancini be going for the away win that day? Or will it be the standard 4-5-1 away formation?

Standard 4-5-1 would be my guess. Mancini only cares about getting top 4, he really doesn't seem to care about anything other than that

He probably won't be there to see the plan through then. City fans won't settle for pragmatism in the derby - another 0-0 with them showing no great ambition to put one over on us by ending the unbeaten run won't count for much even if it helps them to 4th or even 3rd or 2nd



I hope he isn't, he's a boring manager that seems to prefer the standard catanachio of the old school Italian clubs. I hate watching City play, they have all the talent in the world and then decide to settle for the draw in the big games.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sledge13 on January 21, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
Its the most boring uninspiring Man Utd team since the start of the Premiership, yet they are unbeaten and top of the league... ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 21, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
Its the most boring uninspiring Man Utd team since the start of the Premiership, yet they are unbeaten and top of the league... ;carlocitrone;

It's really hard to argue with that - and it's so frustrating because we could be so much better. The Blackburn game should have been the kickstart we needed but it isn't happening.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 23, 2011, 12:18:53 PM
5-0 false dawn or United kicking into gear?

Still can't make my mind up about Berba. 3rd hat trick of the season but still haven't quite got the faith that he's gonna continue firing on all cylinders.

What I do know is if Rooney rediscovers his form of last season we're gonna take some stopping


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 23, 2011, 12:43:24 PM
5-0 false dawn or United kicking into gear?

Still can't make my mind up about Berba. 3rd hat trick of the season but still haven't quite got the faith that he's gonna continue firing on all cylinders.

What I do know is if Rooney rediscovers his form of last season we're gonna take some stopping

Haven't seen any of it 'cos I was a bit busy with the pokerz yesterday, but this is already Berba's most proflific premier league season and there's nearly half of it to go. Three hat-tricks against poor sides distorts the figures a little, but as someone posted in another context, form is temporary, class is permanent.
According to the Telegraph write-up Rooney was a key factor in the performance?



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on January 25, 2011, 09:30:53 PM
Congratulations on winning the title.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 25, 2011, 09:33:47 PM
Sigh at the stone wall pen not gave when it was 2-0, bottle job


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 26, 2011, 03:58:25 PM
Disappointed at the lack of flaming when United were 2-0 down


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 26, 2011, 03:59:52 PM
George if you have seen footage of the match , was that a stonewaller or what?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 26, 2011, 04:22:13 PM
Not seen it yet unfort (not doing a Wenger). Was at a mates playing the pokers. Will report back. Maybe it was and tbh when I saw we were 2-0 even I said "well there goes the unbeaten record"

Somehow, as bad as we at the moment, we pull the rabbit out of the hat.

SAF- hate him or love him (most of you hate him obv)- LEGEND!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sledge13 on January 26, 2011, 04:30:27 PM
Not seen it yet unfort (not doing a Wenger). Was at a mates playing the pokers. Will report back. Maybe it was and tbh when I saw we were 2-0 even I said "well there goes the unbeaten record"

Somehow, as bad as we at the moment, we pull the rabbit out of the hat.

SAF- hate him or love him (most of you hate him obv)- LEGEND!

Best manager of the last 30 years no doubt, pulls off terrible Rooney and they score 3 goals...deffo penalty tho! good effort Blackpool...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 26, 2011, 05:28:15 PM
I agree unfortunately. Spent the last 15 years waiting for him to retire/die and hes slowrolled me a few times. Hopefully only a few more years now.

Sledge you forgot to mention the York v Manchester result.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sledge13 on January 26, 2011, 05:51:52 PM
I agree unfortunately. Spent the last 15 years waiting for him to retire/die and hes slowrolled me a few times. Hopefully only a few more years now.

Sledge you forgot to mention the York v Manchester result.

Dammit so I did John!


BUT get it right fella, it was Manchester V York, 0-3


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 26, 2011, 07:43:11 PM
Just viewed it

Penalty obv

Not given though...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 26, 2011, 09:31:46 PM
I'm a heretic but agree. FMMFCOAL!

I a 2dgree unfortunately. Spent the last 15 years waiting for him to retire/die and hes slowrolled me a few times. Hopefully only a few more years now.

Sledge you forgot to mention the York v Manchester result.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 26, 2011, 09:59:21 PM
Theres you successor bet too Horner dont forget


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on January 27, 2011, 12:25:39 AM
hahahahaha nh forgot about that for like the 15th time in 6 years.

Hes doing a good job at Leicester tbf.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on February 02, 2011, 09:05:23 PM
Neville retires.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12040_6718989,0.html





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on February 02, 2011, 10:19:37 PM
GG Gary Neville. Legend


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on February 02, 2011, 10:33:17 PM
GTFO Gary Neville. Tosser.

FYP


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on February 02, 2011, 11:44:57 PM

lolz


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 03, 2011, 03:59:54 PM

Never understood the hate...

602 games for his one club, 85 caps, a few trophies along the way...

Is it envy?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on February 03, 2011, 04:05:33 PM
I dislike him. He wrote (or someone else did for him) in his autobiography the he hated all Leeds fans and thought they were all muppets.

I really hope he wont be on Sky as some of the papers have hinted at.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 03, 2011, 06:19:32 PM

Never understood the hate...

602 games for his one club, 85 caps, a few trophies along the way...

Is it envy?

No probs saying he's a very good RB. Less problems saying he's a twat.

If I was ever jealous of that face I'd have to shoot myself.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 04, 2011, 10:20:25 PM

Never understood the hate...

602 games for his one club, 85 caps, a few trophies along the way...

Is it envy?

No probs saying he's a very good RB. Less problems saying he's a twat.

If I was ever jealous of that face I'd have to shoot myself.

sounds like envy to me


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: kinboshi on February 06, 2011, 10:22:16 AM
RIP those who died in the Munich disaster 53 years ago today.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: booder on February 06, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
RIP those who died in the Munich disaster 53 years ago today.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on February 06, 2011, 12:49:43 PM

Never understood the hate...

602 games for his one club, 85 caps, a few trophies along the way...

Is it envy?

No probs saying he's a very good RB. Less problems saying he's a twat.

If I was ever jealous of that face I'd have to shoot myself.

sounds like envy to me

Neville thrives on the wind up and hating citeh, leeds and liverpool. Not just professional rivalry, he makes no secret of the hate, so no shock when he is hated back.

I am a Liverpool fan but respect the likes of Ryan Giggs for being the ultimate professional and an excellent role model for aspiring footballers.

Gary Neville though....  grease fire is too good for him.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 06, 2011, 02:27:20 PM

Never understood the hate...

602 games for his one club, 85 caps, a few trophies along the way...

Is it envy?

No probs saying he's a very good RB. Less problems saying he's a twat.

If I was ever jealous of that face I'd have to shoot myself.

sounds like envy to me

Yeah sigh, I wish I was that good looking.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 06, 2011, 02:39:05 PM
RIP those who died in the Munich disaster 53 years ago today.

My father knew his football and said that Duncan Edwards was the best he ever saw...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr75rgusNJU


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on February 12, 2011, 03:34:18 PM
Incred Rooney !! Not since Trevor Sinclair have i seen such a perfectly executed overhaed kick.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_YgCH-qwaM


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on February 12, 2011, 11:52:35 PM
Shins it doesn't he?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on February 13, 2011, 10:10:33 AM
Incred Rooney !! Not since Trevor Sinclair have i seen such a perfectly executed overhaed kick.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_YgCH-qwaM

lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on February 13, 2011, 12:21:33 PM
Incred Rooney !! Not since Trevor Sinclair have i seen such a perfectly executed overhaed kick.


lol
Looks good to me Boldielocks, reckon if i tried it 100 times id hit 99 airballs and 1 over the bar  :D


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on February 13, 2011, 10:13:41 PM
Incred Rooney !! Not since Trevor Sinclair have i seen such a perfectly executed overhaed kick.


lol
Looks good to me Boldielocks, reckon if i tried it 100 times id hit 99 airballs and 1 over the bar  :D

lol..fair point and I couldn't do it but it's not perfectly executed...great goal but a bit overhyped. Hell, it's not even Rooney's best goal ever IMO.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on February 14, 2011, 06:17:02 AM
Incred Rooney !! Not since Trevor Sinclair have i seen such a perfectly executed overhaed kick.


lol
Looks good to me Boldielocks, reckon if i tried it 100 times id hit 99 airballs and 1 over the bar  :D

lol..fair point and I couldn't do it but it's not perfectly executed...great goal but a bit overhyped. Hell, it's not even Rooney's best goal ever IMO.

imo they're a bit like goalkeepers saving penalties - there is skill involved, but with just as much luck as well - looks good when they pull it off though and they get a disproportionate amount of praise for them.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 14, 2011, 05:28:15 PM
Incred Rooney !! Not since Trevor Sinclair have i seen such a perfectly executed overhaed kick.


lol
Looks good to me Boldielocks, reckon if i tried it 100 times id hit 99 airballs and 1 over the bar  :D

lol..fair point and I couldn't do it but it's not perfectly executed...great goal but a bit overhyped. Hell, it's not even Rooney's best goal ever IMO.

imo they're a bit like goalkeepers saving penalties - there is skill involved, but with just as much luck as well - looks good when they pull it off though and they get a disproportionate amount of praise for them.

Usually from armchair journos who've never tried an overhead kick in their life!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on February 19, 2011, 10:42:17 PM
Obertan and Bebe, worst ever Man UTD players?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TheChipPrince on February 19, 2011, 11:02:05 PM
Obertan and Bebe, worst ever Man UTD players?

I call your Beborbertan, and raise you David Bellion!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on February 19, 2011, 11:56:36 PM
Bebe was abs terrible I will be shocked if this goes the other way, he was ridic bad


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on February 20, 2011, 08:43:44 AM
Djemba Djemba?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 22, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
Djemba Djemba?

so bad they named him twice - arrived at the club in the same summer as Kleberson, also a contender to be at the head of any list of SAF's bad buys.

Kleberson was supposed to replace Juan Sebastian Veron which in a sense he did


The current crop of second string players includes too many who lack substance. Obertan has had his chances, seems unlikely he's got anything more to show. Bebe? Can't see theres much there to deserve too many opportunities. Gibson - an enigma, i think he suffers, as does Carrick, from just 'not being Paul Scholes'.

All that being said, we have Park, Hernandez, Smalling, Valencia when fit, Owen, Carrick, Brown, O'Shea and errmmmmm  ;carlocitrone;



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on February 28, 2011, 02:18:25 PM
How did Shrek manage to get away with that elbow the other day? Its an absolute joke system the FA have.

MOTD shows that twattenburg clearly wasnt even looking at the incident and yet he's now coming out saying he saw it and was happy with his decision, so apparently you must be allowed go round  throwing stray elbows.

Then you have to listen to Fergie whinging that there will be a witchhunt because It's Rooney and  there was nothing in it. Fck off Fergie, such bullshit.

It was hard to ban Rooney with Chelsea and Liverpool on the horizon I guess.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 28, 2011, 03:42:09 PM
How did Shrek manage to get away with that elbow the other day? Its an absolute joke system the FA have.

MOTD shows that twattenburg clearly wasnt even looking at the incident and yet he's now coming out saying he saw it and was happy with his decision, so apparently you must be allowed go round  throwing stray elbows.

Then you have to listen to Fergie whinging that there will be a witchhunt because It's Rooney and  there was nothing in it. Fck off Fergie, such bullshit.

It was hard to ban Rooney with Chelsea and Liverpool on the horizon I guess.




It's shocking isn't it

compare and contrast two similar incidents http://soccertvlive.blogspot.com/2011/02/video-rooney-elbow-wigan-wayne-rooney.html (http://soccertvlive.blogspot.com/2011/02/video-rooney-elbow-wigan-wayne-rooney.html)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on February 28, 2011, 03:59:22 PM
They look similar at first but if you look closely you will see that one is against Michael Brown.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on February 28, 2011, 03:59:56 PM
I think  theres an obvious difference Brown and Gerrard are running towards the ball and Brown is turning round looking for stevie with his arm already raised he was just bet to it thats all that happened there. Where as Rooney was totally unprovoked and then you have the ref lying that he saw it when MOTD shows that he wasnt looking.

Whats your own summation of the two incidents?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 28, 2011, 04:26:45 PM
I think  theres an obvious difference Brown and Gerrard are running towards the ball and Brown is turning round looking for stevie with his arm already raised he was just bet to it thats all that happened there. Where as Rooney was totally unprovoked and then you have the ref lying that he saw it when MOTD shows that he wasnt looking.

Whats your own summation of the two incidents?

They look similar at first but if you look closely you will see that one is against Michael Brown.
/\/\/\/\/\/\
This is a fair point.



My view is that United supporters will rationalise it in the same way that LFC supporters rationalised Gerrard's.

You say "Brown and Gerrard are running towards the ball and Brown is turning round looking for stevie with his arm already raised he was just bet to it thats all that happened there"

I say "McCartjy moves into Rooney's path to block his run towards the ball, Rooney defends himself against a bodycheck."

Both should be punished, Gerrard wasn't, I doubt that Rooney will be.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on March 01, 2011, 03:03:01 PM
Quote
I say "McCartjy moves into Rooney's path to block his run towards the ball, Rooney defends himself against a bodycheck."

this is a beautiful line.

Chelsea fans can say; Ashley Cole was protecting himself from the intern's falling piece of paper so he shot him.

Rooney should have gotten a massive ban for his action there, there is no excuse....other than that he's Wayne Rooney, plays for ManU, the ref is a complete and utter spanner and the FA have no balls whatsoever.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 01, 2011, 03:11:21 PM
Quote
I say "McCartjy moves into Rooney's path to block his run towards the ball, Rooney defends himself against a bodycheck."

this is a beautiful line.

Chelsea fans can say; Ashley Cole was protecting himself from the intern's falling piece of paper so he shot him.

Rooney should have gotten a massive ban for his action there, there is no excuse....other than that he's Wayne Rooney, plays for ManU, the ref is a complete and utter spanner and the FA have no balls whatsoever.




Did you read all of the post that you have selectively quoted from?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on March 01, 2011, 04:24:15 PM
Quote
I say "McCartjy moves into Rooney's path to block his run towards the ball, Rooney defends himself against a bodycheck."

this is a beautiful line.

Chelsea fans can say; Ashley Cole was protecting himself from the intern's falling piece of paper so he shot him.

Rooney should have gotten a massive ban for his action there, there is no excuse....other than that he's Wayne Rooney, plays for ManU, the ref is a complete and utter spanner and the FA have no balls whatsoever.





Did you read all of the post that you have selectively quoted from?



Yeah, and I see you agree that he should be banned and were only saying it in response to the Gerrard thing...I just thought it was a beautiful, almost Ancelotti like line. "Our players are not out of control at all, they are all professionals and who hasn't made a mistake in the past?" is roughly what he said yesterday.

You're right Carl baby, except that we never shot anyone at work, you ball-less plonker.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on March 01, 2011, 10:32:32 PM
(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/ppokerfan/elbow.gif)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 02, 2011, 09:22:14 AM
Referee Mr. Martin Atkinson's record for Chelsea: P-16 W-15 D-1 L-0 For-38 Against-2. 12th men for Chelsea, surely not!?

(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_sow_experts__17/ept_sports_sow_experts-560011527-1299023829.jpg?ymVvxoEDp9TbRDUG)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on March 02, 2011, 09:40:25 AM
It's a nice stat but won't most refs have similar records for the big teams?  Before this season Chelsea had lost 26 times in the last 228 games Pretty obvious that the loss collumn is never going to be that high.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 02, 2011, 10:40:54 AM
It's a nice stat but won't most refs have similar records for the big teams?  Before this season Chelsea had lost 26 times in the last 228 games Pretty obvious that the loss collumn is never going to be that high.

shhhhh these threads aren't supposed to feature reasoned debate! Otherwise people wouldn't be able to whinge about the number of penalties awarded to United at OT (a factor of the amount of time United spend in the opposition penalty area)



At least the picture appears to be genuine on this occasion - no Babel-style photoshoppery there


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on March 02, 2011, 01:26:49 PM
"We cant dispute a referees decision" Mike Phelan 26th Feb 2011

QFT


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on March 02, 2011, 01:47:05 PM
"We cant dispute a referees decision" Mike Phelan 26th Feb 2011

QFT

VWP


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 06, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
caragher is pure filth


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MC on March 06, 2011, 02:26:35 PM
Rafael is pure filth

fyp


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MC on March 06, 2011, 02:31:57 PM
caragher is pure filth

just seen replay, pretty lucky to still be on the pitch


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 06, 2011, 02:32:31 PM

for every bad rafael challenge you post ill post 10 disgusting filtt ridden carragher ones

that guy is as spiteful and disgusting as a professional footballer gets.

the day someone snaps his leg in a challenge and ends his career is maybe a day when he looks back at his conduct on the pitch


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 03:12:27 PM
Today feels a lot like last season- we were challenging on all fronts then our season fizzled out.

Ive maintained all season we are below par and somehow still top of the league. Just hope Arsenal do their usual bottle job otherwise I think we will struggle again close season.

I would love us to buy another striker in the summer and a box to box player in midfield who can contribute with goals- Scholes/Carrick/Anderson and Fletcher all prefer to sit deep.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on March 06, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
Alright lads , hows it going in here? Having a good day?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: maldini32 on March 06, 2011, 03:38:17 PM
Highlight of the day Nani crying like a bitch


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 06, 2011, 04:01:14 PM
lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on March 06, 2011, 04:09:35 PM

for every bad rafael challenge you post ill post 10 disgusting filtt ridden carragher ones

that guy is as spiteful and disgusting as a professional footballer gets.
the day someone snaps his leg in a challenge and ends his career is maybe a day when he looks back at his conduct on the pitch

*Cough* Gary Neville *Cough*


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 06:13:28 PM

for every bad rafael challenge you post ill post 10 disgusting filtt ridden carragher ones

that guy is as spiteful and disgusting as a professional footballer gets.
the day someone snaps his leg in a challenge and ends his career is maybe a day when he looks back at his conduct on the pitch

*Cough* Gary Neville *Cough*

gtfo


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on March 07, 2011, 09:10:36 AM
What do Man U fans think of Fergies tactics in the last couple of games?
For ages now United have been a 451 team in big games. Playing not to lose and hoping that they can nick one at the other end.
This week he went 442 twice and lost twice. I know decisions went against you and 2 points wouldn't have been amazing results either but psycologically it would have been a lot better.
I get the feeling he started to believe they had already won the title and went out to try and embarrass both Chelsea and Liverpool to stop people saying it was the worst United team for ages.
It backfired and we might now actually have a title race.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 07, 2011, 09:27:48 AM
Great performance.

I'm not having "manu were poor, Liverpool weren't good".  Manu are top of the league and this was a Liverpool side embarrassed by West Ham last week.

Today Liverpool wanted it, and were too much for an underperforming manu side, but one that underperformed under the tempo and pressure from Liverpool.

Suarez, Kuyt and Mereiles exceptional.


SAF is arguably (almost unarguably) the best manager in Premier League history - he's delivered trophies for over two decades so I'm not going to start questioning his tactics and team selection in two games, played away from home against two teams with a huge incentive to beat us.

Two more big games this week - ask the question again next Monday after Marseille and Arsenal.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on March 07, 2011, 12:01:41 PM
What do Man U fans think of Fergies tactics in the last couple of games?
For ages now United have been a 451 team in big games. Playing not to lose and hoping that they can nick one at the other end.
This week he went 442 twice and lost twice. I know decisions went against you and 2 points wouldn't have been amazing results either but psycologically it would have been a lot better.
I get the feeling he started to believe they had already won the title and went out to try and embarrass both Chelsea and Liverpool to stop people saying it was the worst United team for ages.
It backfired and we might now actually have a title race.
Also meant to mention this point - Fletcher. He's the ultimate big game player. He breaks down so many of the oppositions attacks that you are much less likely to lose with him in the team. Doesn't offer a lot going forward but I think he has scored some headers to decide big games in the past. Overlooked yesterday, I believe, because Fergie wanted/tried to show that it wasn't a tough game anymore and that they didn't have to play negatively as there was little threat from Liverpool.
Then came accross this "Last 7 games vs. Liverpool: 3 wins and 4 defeats. Every time we've won, Fletcher has started; every time we've lost he hasn't"


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 07, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
What do Man U fans think of Fergies tactics in the last couple of games?
For ages now United have been a 451 team in big games. Playing not to lose and hoping that they can nick one at the other end.
This week he went 442 twice and lost twice. I know decisions went against you and 2 points wouldn't have been amazing results either but psycologically it would have been a lot better.
I get the feeling he started to believe they had already won the title and went out to try and embarrass both Chelsea and Liverpool to stop people saying it was the worst United team for ages.
It backfired and we might now actually have a title race.
Also meant to mention this point - Fletcher. He's the ultimate big game player. He breaks down so many of the oppositions attacks that you are much less likely to lose with him in the team. Doesn't offer a lot going forward but I think he has scored some headers to decide big games in the past. Overlooked yesterday, I believe, because Fergie wanted/tried to show that it wasn't a tough game anymore and that they didn't have to play negatively as there was little threat from Liverpool.
Then came accross this "Last 7 games vs. Liverpool: 3 wins and 4 defeats. Every time we've won, Fletcher has started; every time we've lost he hasn't"

The point about Fletcher is a good one, and well made. I just don't believe that SAF leaving him out can be put down to the motives you're implying. That being said, I'm not sure why Carrick started and Fletcher didn't. But then, I can't even get a winning team going on Championship Manager.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: kinboshi on March 07, 2011, 01:14:05 PM
I thought Fletcher was unwell?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on March 07, 2011, 02:52:05 PM
[ ] The game against Arsenal in the FA Cup is a big game.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 07, 2011, 04:44:55 PM
[ ] The game against Arsenal in the FA Cup is a big game.

You think trophy-starved Arsenal think this? Seriously?

Will they still think this if they don't progress in the CL this week?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on March 07, 2011, 05:32:21 PM
[ ] The game against Arsenal in the FA Cup is a big game.

You think trophy-starved Arsenal think this? Seriously?

Will they still think this if they don't progress in the CL this week?

I certainly think that the FA Cup is a distant third when it comes to our present priorities.

We'll only know how important is is to AW when we see the team-sheet, but I expect a team at least half-full of squad-players, hopefully more than half-full if we progress in the CL tomorrow.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on March 07, 2011, 09:32:15 PM
can we get the spam off this thread please?

In fergie we trust altho I do agree seems strange he has abandoned his 451 policy against the bigger teams


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 09, 2011, 11:03:42 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12676378

David Gill questioned by Commons Committee - 'comfortable' with finances although obviously would prefer not to be paying £45m interest...

Net debt falling, slowly. Revenues up 150% since 2006.

There's also a comment about not tlalking to MUST, because they are 'at war' with the club. Seems somewhat harsh and potentially counter-productive. Feels like it comes from the Glazers.

In passing, is Saturday's game now a big one for Arsenal?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 09, 2011, 11:05:01 AM
its a huge game for us - nevermind arsenal


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 09, 2011, 12:16:23 PM
its a huge game for us - nevermind arsenal

I agree, Ralph didn't...

 
[ ] The game against Arsenal in the FA Cup is a big game.

You think trophy-starved Arsenal think this? Seriously?

Will they still think this if they don't progress in the CL this week?

I certainly think that the FA Cup is a distant third when it comes to our present priorities.

We'll only know how important is is to AW when we see the team-sheet, but I expect a team at least half-full of squad-players, hopefully more than half-full if we progress in the CL tomorrow.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 09, 2011, 12:23:05 PM
i would say that all things considered this is as important a game as the '99 FA cup semi final - in terms of the remainder of our season


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on March 09, 2011, 07:56:32 PM
Highlight of the day Nani crying like a bitch


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on March 09, 2011, 07:58:18 PM
He is but he's gotten it wrong so much in Europe. Do you think 2 champions leagues is enough with the sides he's built?

Great performance.

I'm not having "manu were poor, Liverpool weren't good".  Manu are top of the league and this was a Liverpool side embarrassed by West Ham last week.

Today Liverpool wanted it, and were too much for an underperforming manu side, but one that underperformed under the tempo and pressure from Liverpool.

Suarez, Kuyt and Mereiles exceptional.


SAF is arguably (almost unarguably) the best manager in Premier League history - he's delivered trophies for over two decades so I'm not going to start questioning his tactics and team selection in two games, played away from home against two teams with a huge incentive to beat us.

Two more big games this week - ask the question again next Monday after Marseille and Arsenal.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 10, 2011, 10:34:21 AM
He is but he's gotten it wrong so much in Europe. Do you think 2 champions leagues is enough with the sides he's built?


to be fair, that's not a bad point - we've struggled in Europe at times, but so have a lot of other clubs with a similar pedigree. Forest were the last team to win back to back European Cups and that was in the old KO days.

We've won it twice in SAFs reign, and were (well-)beaten finalists once. Barcelona have three in modern times, as do Real and AC Milan, but that's about it for multiple winners, so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.

We've won a fair amount of other stuff during his reign though



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on March 10, 2011, 01:47:50 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12676378

David Gill questioned by Commons Committee - 'comfortable' with finances although obviously would prefer not to be paying £45m interest...

Net debt falling, slowly. Revenues up 150% since 2006.

There's also a comment about not tlalking to MUST, because they are 'at war' with the club. Seems somewhat harsh and potentially counter-productive. Feels like it comes from the Glazers.

In passing, is Saturday's game now a big one for Arsenal?

It is of course a much bigger game for us now that we are out of the CL.

It'll be interesting to see how strong a team fergie puts out with Tuesday in mind.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 11, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9421980.stm

like i said.............................


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on March 11, 2011, 10:36:01 PM
WHY MY POST WERE ALL CANCELLED??????????/

CANT I HAVE MY SAY??/??


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on March 11, 2011, 10:41:35 PM
WHY MY POST WERE ALL CANCELLED??????????/

CANT I HAVE MY SAY??/??
Obv not, pretty harsh imo.  V,funny.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on March 12, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
He is but he's gotten it wrong so much in Europe. Do you think 2 champions leagues is enough with the sides he's built?


to be fair, that's not a bad point - we've struggled in Europe at times, but so have a lot of other clubs with a similar pedigree. Forest were the last team to win back to back European Cups and that was in the old KO days.

We've won it twice in SAFs reign, and were (well-)beaten finalists once. Barcelona have three in modern times, as do Real and AC Milan, but that's about it for multiple winners, so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.

We've won a fair amount of other stuff during his reign though



1999 and 2008? It's not like the same team has won it more than once. I'm not saying it's a poor record but with teams he's built it should be more.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 13, 2011, 12:01:09 PM
He is but he's gotten it wrong so much in Europe. Do you think 2 champions leagues is enough with the sides he's built?


to be fair, that's not a bad point - we've struggled in Europe at times, but so have a lot of other clubs with a similar pedigree. Forest were the last team to win back to back European Cups and that was in the old KO days.

We've won it twice in SAFs reign, and were (well-)beaten finalists once. Barcelona have three in modern times, as do Real and AC Milan, but that's about it for multiple winners, so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.

We've won a fair amount of other stuff during his reign though



1999 and 2008? It's not like the same team has won it more than once. I'm not saying it's a poor record but with teams he's built it should be more.

you obviously have an agenda that is against acknowledging SAFs achievements, but consider this - he's built three Premiere League dominating teams, and two CL winning teams with the potential to make that three this year (if Barcelona FC is stricken by ebola virus)

and as said before - the days when Paisly could win three with the same team are gone, it's not just 5 matches, four home and away and a Final nowadays


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on March 13, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9421980.stm

like i said.............................

But its ok for Rooney to elbow someone in the face which SAF brushes off and accuses the press of singling Rooney out?

Not excusing the tackle, it was poor, but the double standards are just rediculous.



Hoping for an all Manchester final now to keep the comp interesting


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on March 13, 2011, 12:37:17 PM
He is but he's gotten it wrong so much in Europe. Do you think 2 champions leagues is enough with the sides he's built?


to be fair, that's not a bad point - we've struggled in Europe at times, but so have a lot of other clubs with a similar pedigree. Forest were the last team to win back to back European Cups and that was in the old KO days.

We've won it twice in SAFs reign, and were (well-)beaten finalists once. Barcelona have three in modern times, as do Real and AC Milan, but that's about it for multiple winners, so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.

We've won a fair amount of other stuff during his reign though



1999 and 2008? It's not like the same team has won it more than once. I'm not saying it's a poor record but with teams he's built it should be more.

you obviously have an agenda that is against acknowledging SAFs achievements, but consider this - he's built three Premiere League dominating teams, and two CL winning teams with the potential to make that three this year (if Barcelona FC is stricken by ebola virus)

and as said before - the days when Paisly could win three with the same team are gone, it's not just 5 matches, four home and away and a Final nowadays

Essentially it is just 7 matches: last 16, last 8, last 4 and final.

The group stage of the CL is a meaningless money making vehicle for the big clubs.

All the fancied teams sail through woth no problems and usually play second or third stringers in the last 2 group games.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on March 13, 2011, 12:49:19 PM
He is but he's gotten it wrong so much in Europe. Do you think 2 champions leagues is enough with the sides he's built?


to be fair, that's not a bad point - we've struggled in Europe at times, but so have a lot of other clubs with a similar pedigree. Forest were the last team to win back to back European Cups and that was in the old KO days.

We've won it twice in SAFs reign, and were (well-)beaten finalists once. Barcelona have three in modern times, as do Real and AC Milan, but that's about it for multiple winners, so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.

We've won a fair amount of other stuff during his reign though



1999 and 2008? It's not like the same team has won it more than once. I'm not saying it's a poor record but with teams he's built it should be more.


you obviously have an agenda that is against acknowledging SAFs achievements
, but consider this - he's built three Premiere League dominating teams, and two CL winning teams with the potential to make that three this year (if Barcelona FC is stricken by ebola virus)

and as said before - the days when Paisly could win three with the same team are gone, it's not just 5 matches, four home and away and a Final nowadays

As much as I'm sure you'd love it to be, it's not personal. Knowledgeable Utd fans I know think you should have won at least one more European Cup, maybe two. I'm amazed you think two is all you should have achieved in 20 odd years.

Where I differ with Utd fans is on SAF's tactics. In 2008 no only did he have the best side but he went and shut up shop when he needed to. If this had been done mroe I'm sure some of the shockers away from home over the years could have been avoided.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 14, 2011, 09:43:25 AM


 ...so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.



I'm amazed you think two is all you should have achieved in 20 odd years.


sure said that


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on March 14, 2011, 12:00:43 PM


 ...so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.



I'm amazed you think two is all you should have achieved in 20 odd years.


sure said that


Ah so you agree then. Glad that's settled.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 14, 2011, 01:44:38 PM


 ...so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.



I'm amazed you think two is all you should have achieved in 20 odd years.


sure said that


Ah so you agree then. Glad that's settled.

sure said that too


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on March 14, 2011, 07:52:51 PM


 ...so maybe 2 is enough, maybe not.



I'm amazed you think two is all you should have achieved in 20 odd years.


sure said that


Ah so you agree then. Glad that's settled.

sure said that too

Easier to dodge I guess.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 17, 2011, 07:56:22 AM
Best utd squad of all time


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 17, 2011, 12:01:51 PM
Best utd squad of all time

That played together as a squad? Or cross-generation?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 17, 2011, 01:39:31 PM
Best utd squad of all time

That played together as a squad? Or cross-generation?

both


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on March 17, 2011, 02:53:49 PM
Poor effort Ho. Not even Level 1 fishing.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 17, 2011, 05:11:57 PM
Sigh I'm such a noob


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on March 18, 2011, 11:21:36 AM
Chelsea in the cl, possible semi v Inter. Barc/Madrid most likely other semi. Can be done imo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 18, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Chelsea in the cl, possible semi v Inter. Barc/Madrid most likely other semi. Can be done imo.

Reaching Final - possible, verging on probable

beating Barca in a one-off game? Dreamlike


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 02, 2011, 05:59:07 PM
Could be a big turning point if Arsenal do their usual and bottle it


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 03, 2011, 02:50:26 PM
Whats Rooneys deal btw? The twat cant be happy even after a hattrick? still has to foam at the mouth and scream obscenities at a camera, fking enjoy urself, jeez.
I guess i should'nt be surprised the mr potata head should have a chip on his shoulder....


Also the ref had a decent game yday, very soft pen for Utd and Vidic somehow dosent get sent off.Wp Ref you had a stormer apart from that.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 03, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
Whats Rooneys deal btw? The twat cant be happy even after a hattrick? still has to foam at the mouth and scream obscenities at a camera, fking enjoy urself, jeez.
I guess i should'nt be surprised the mr potata head should have a chip on his shoulder....


Also the ref had a decent game yday, very soft pen for Utd and Vidic somehow dosent get sent off.Wp Ref you had a stormer apart from that.

Totally disagree, he's had about a year of the papers and everybody saying he's shit etc and the pressure on him is huge, he hasn't had a good period but to doubt his abilities is just crazy. His first 2 goals where total class, yeah he shouldn't swear but I can totally see why he'd be like that.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 03, 2011, 06:52:46 PM
Personally don't give a shit. We need a performance from him and we got one. If he's coming into form it couldn't be at a more opportune time. If we can somehow wrap the PL up soon by keeping up the pressure on Wenger's bottlers than we might just sneak past Chelsea and Inter.....


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on April 04, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
Yes poor Rooney he's had a horrid time, fuking some dirty prostitutes, throwing out his dummy and handing in a transfer request, playing like shit at the world cup and start of the season. How dare people say question him.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 04, 2011, 01:21:11 AM
rooney what a chav



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 04, 2011, 11:57:58 AM
rooney what a chav



This is exactly what Mercedes thought when they took his car off him for promoting the wrong corporate image. LOL!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 04, 2011, 12:25:32 PM
rooney what a chav



This is exactly what Mercedes thought when they took his car off him for promoting the wrong corporate image. LOL!

Pot-supporter calling kettle-supporters off-white?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_mQQWt_oA4

It was a bad thing that Roonet did, but nobody died, nobody got punched...

Good results all round at the weekend - looking forward to Wednesday with great antcipation now





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 04, 2011, 02:45:06 PM
Lol so bitter. Haven't seen Bugatti recall their car from Gerrard have we?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on April 04, 2011, 03:12:25 PM
Yes poor Rooney he's had a horrid time, fuking some dirty prostitutes, throwing out his dummy and handing in a transfer request, playing like shit at the world cup and start of the season. How dare people say question him.

gd post


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 04, 2011, 03:45:08 PM
Lol so bitter. Haven't seen Bugatti recall their car from Gerrard have we?

LMAO  not bitter, just pointing out the irony of a Liverpool fan commenting on stuff like this.
 Oh and  Rooney's MB deal went two years ago in the credit crunch surely?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 03:49:19 PM
Yeh footballers whiter than white obv. Guy is young, the greatest player of his generation why wouldn't he have some faults like all genius's?

25 million for Ronney or 30 million for Andy Carroll with a drink problem

hmmmmmmm?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 04, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
I wasn't saying poor Rooney, my point was I can understand his reaction after the frustrations of playing poorly for so long. I also don't get offended by the use of bad language as I am guilty of using it a lot myself so maybe it seems less of an issue to me.

George, Carroll was 35 million :) Also not sure how he has a drink problem because he likes to have a drink now and then, it never once got mentioned as an issue all the time he was here.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 04:19:01 PM
Heard a rumour that the injury he sustained was due to a night out in newcastle


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 04, 2011, 04:21:18 PM
Heard a rumour that the injury he sustained was due to a night out in newcastle

Pretty sure it would be all over every single newspaper if there is any truth to it.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 04, 2011, 05:10:57 PM
Lol so bitter. Haven't seen Bugatti recall their car from Gerrard have we?

LMAO  not bitter, just pointing out the irony of a Liverpool fan commenting on stuff like this.
 Oh and  Rooney's MB deal went two years ago in the credit crunch surely?


Obv bitter, nice video innit. Surely that same irony would apply to every fan who has had a player who hasn't behaved (ie all clubs)? lol
Nope - it went due to his the fact that he didn't fit in with their corporate image.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 04, 2011, 05:26:05 PM
I wasn't saying poor Rooney, my point was I can understand his reaction after the frustrations of playing poorly for so long. I also don't get offended by the use of bad language as I am guilty of using it a lot myself so maybe it seems less of an issue to me.

George, Carroll was 35 million :) Also not sure how he has a drink problem because he likes to have a drink now and then, it never once got mentioned as an issue all the time he was here.

FWIW I'm also not offended by the use of foul language, It's more Rooney that offends me. Hes raking it in , doing something most people can only dream of, and does he ever smile when hes on the pitch? No, he goes round like the world is against him, he cant even celebrate a goal without having a temper tantrum. IMO hes just a complete and utter bellend.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 04, 2011, 05:26:57 PM
Yeh footballers whiter than white obv. Guy is young, the greatest player of his generation why wouldn't he have some faults like all genius's?

25 million for Ronney or 30 million for Andy Carroll with a drink problem

hmmmmmmm?


Hahahahaha Levelaments


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Longines on April 04, 2011, 05:38:56 PM
Pretty sure it would be all over every single newspaper if there is any truth to it.

Google carroll bar stool. At least one newspaper ran with it.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 05:42:28 PM
Yeh footballers whiter than white obv. Guy is young, the greatest player of his generation why wouldn't he have some faults like all genius's?

25 million for Ronney or 30 million for Andy Carroll with a drink problem

hmmmmmmm?


Hahahahaha Levelaments


Nope not a level


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 05:43:22 PM
I wasn't saying poor Rooney, my point was I can understand his reaction after the frustrations of playing poorly for so long. I also don't get offended by the use of bad language as I am guilty of using it a lot myself so maybe it seems less of an issue to me.

George, Carroll was 35 million :) Also not sure how he has a drink problem because he likes to have a drink now and then, it never once got mentioned as an issue all the time he was here.

FWIW I'm also not offended by the use of foul language, It's more Rooney that offends me. Hes raking it in , doing something most people can only dream of, and does he ever smile when hes on the pitch? No, he goes round like the world is against him, he cant even celebrate a goal without having a temper tantrum. IMO hes just a complete and utter bellend.



This is BS. Your a Liverpool fan therefore you don't like Rooney just as much as I'm a United fan and love him. It's the way things work. I'm sure if Gerrard has behaved in this way you'd be keeping your gob shut.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 04, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
Rooney is a dick how can you like someone like him even if u support man u?


Tbh most star football players are all cockheads



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 05:54:39 PM
Rooney is a dick how can you like someone like him even if u support man u?


Tbh most star football players are all cockheads



As a Man u Fan I really couldnt care less what he's like off the pitch as long as he produces on it


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on April 04, 2011, 06:01:14 PM
rooney what a chav


You can take the chav out of Liverpool .....

Been charged, facing a 2 match ban.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6852910,00.html


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 04, 2011, 06:10:36 PM
Thought Rooney was immense. He swore, oh ok.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 04, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
Yeh footballers whiter than white obv. Guy is young, the greatest player of his generation why wouldn't he have some faults like all genius's?

25 million for Ronney or 30 million for Andy Carroll with a drink problem

hmmmmmmm?


Hahahahaha Levelaments


Nope not a level

Delusional if you're being serious


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Somerled on April 04, 2011, 06:20:00 PM
Thought Rooney was immense. He swore, oh ok.

+1

Not a Man U fan, but if we're going to start doing players for this the game's just getting stoopid.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 04, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
I wasn't saying poor Rooney, my point was I can understand his reaction after the frustrations of playing poorly for so long. I also don't get offended by the use of bad language as I am guilty of using it a lot myself so maybe it seems less of an issue to me.

George, Carroll was 35 million :) Also not sure how he has a drink problem because he likes to have a drink now and then, it never once got mentioned as an issue all the time he was here.

FWIW I'm also not offended by the use of foul language, It's more Rooney that offends me. Hes raking it in , doing something most people can only dream of, and does he ever smile when hes on the pitch? No, he goes round like the world is against him, he cant even celebrate a goal without having a temper tantrum. IMO hes just a complete and utter bellend.



This is BS. Your a Liverpool fan therefore you don't like Rooney just as much as I'm a United fan and love him. It's the way things work. I'm sure if Gerrard has behaved in this way you'd be keeping your gob shut.

I think most people dont like Rooney regardless of who they support


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 04, 2011, 06:53:10 PM
Fair comment but I used to say Mascherano would be the sort of player I hate had he not played for Liverpool. Pretty sure some must think like this about Rooney.

I wasn't saying poor Rooney, my point was I can understand his reaction after the frustrations of playing poorly for so long. I also don't get offended by the use of bad language as I am guilty of using it a lot myself so maybe it seems less of an issue to me.

George, Carroll was 35 million :) Also not sure how he has a drink problem because he likes to have a drink now and then, it never once got mentioned as an issue all the time he was here.

FWIW I'm also not offended by the use of foul language, It's more Rooney that offends me. Hes raking it in , doing something most people can only dream of, and does he ever smile when hes on the pitch? No, he goes round like the world is against him, he cant even celebrate a goal without having a temper tantrum. IMO hes just a complete and utter bellend.



This is BS. Your a Liverpool fan therefore you don't like Rooney just as much as I'm a United fan and love him. It's the way things work. I'm sure if Gerrard has behaved in this way you'd be keeping your gob shut.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 07:00:11 PM
Yep but ultimately u didnt hate him did you? Even tho he was a cock


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 04, 2011, 07:00:18 PM
I'm not doubting rooneys ability just think he is a twat


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: dan on April 04, 2011, 08:23:02 PM
I thought this whole thread was a joke tbh but after reading this.


Yeh footballers whiter than white obv. Guy is young, the greatest player of his generation why wouldn't he have some faults like all genius's?

25 million for Ronney or 30 million for Andy Carroll with a drink problem

hmmmmmmm?

It just about sums man utd fans up. I havent really read this thread or the liverpool one but on the few bits I have looked at in that thread at some of the liverpool fans make some good points like the direction of the club/team for example.

All Utd fans do is say yeah we are the greatest blah blah blah. I can only think the highlighted statement is a wind up.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 04, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
George has to be on the level, I'm a Rooney fanboy but that is stretching it a bit far. Quite clearly Collicini is the best player of our generation.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Linux on April 04, 2011, 09:06:29 PM
Sir Geoff Hurst says if you swear directly at a camera it should be a 5 game ban. I have to say i agree


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 04, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
Sir Geoff Hurst says if you swear directly at a camera it should be a 5 game ban. I have to say i agree

If that's the case then someone who deliberately dives in with 2 feet and breaks someones leg must get a life ban.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 04, 2011, 10:29:18 PM
Boring debate - Rooney transgressed and gets punished. Shame he couldn't have opted for a jury trial eh...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 11:18:37 PM
More fuel for Fergie to feed our great team with. Siege mentality and all that. WP the FA


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 04, 2011, 11:41:02 PM
More fuel for Fergie to feed our great team with. Siege mentality and all that. WP the FA
The league is over you've won that. Don't see how banning the greatest player of his generation from an FA cup Semi Final against your rivals can be good news, siege mentality or not.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 11:42:36 PM
I'd expect him to get a one match ban. I think saying the title is won is a little premature too


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Somerled on April 04, 2011, 11:58:03 PM
Sir Geoff Hurst says if you swear directly at a camera it should be a 5 game ban. I have to say i agree

Presumably just a level?

After what Gatusso got up to vs Spurs he only got a (I think, can't be arsed checking) 4 game ban. And swearing at an inanimate object should get more than headbutting a coach??

For me, swearing at a match official is far far worse and other players do it in every single game. Yes Rooney is a chav and many other things  and yes man U fans are very smug at times, doesn't make the punishment correct.

Get Paul McBride on the case IMO.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TheChipPrince on April 05, 2011, 10:54:26 AM
Good/great player, not the best of his generation, but v good.

Idiot of a man, awful piece of work.

2 game ban is harsh.

Partly blame Man U for not coming out and condeming him, fining him 2 weeks wages on the spot, FA would probably not have needed to act.

Could back fire on the FA, Rooney turns up for every friendly, will make him think twice.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 06, 2011, 01:32:14 PM
Seems part of the appeal will focus on the intrusion onto the pitch by the cameraman. That in itself doesn't excuse the response, but if the rumour that the cameraman was asking Rooney to 'kiss the camera' then I'd say his response was pretty close to being appropriate and demonstrates a desire to rise above his chavvy image.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 06, 2011, 06:36:25 PM
Yep but ultimately u didnt hate him did you? Even tho he was a cock

I feckin do now!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 06, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
More fuel for Fergie to feed our great team with. Siege mentality and all that. WP the FA

He's doing well to create a siege mentality at the most favoured club in Britain.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 06, 2011, 08:11:04 PM
Just sheer class - Giggs take, and the pull back... and a perfect finish from Rooney

Sheer class

Do the morons who are booing Rooney's every touch think that's +EV?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 07, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
Rooney misses 2 games. The greatest player of his generation will miss the FA cup semi final against rivals Man City.
You're Man United, You'll do what you're told.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 07, 2011, 11:38:54 AM
Rooney misses 2 games. The greatest player of his generation will miss the FA cup semi final against rivals Man City.
You're Man United, You'll do what you're told.

abs joke

im going to write to teh FA everytime i see a footballer swear nea a tv camera


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 07, 2011, 11:41:33 AM
Rooney misses 2 games. The greatest player of his generation will miss the FA cup semi final against rivals Man City.
You're Man United, You'll do what you're told.

lol

[ ] result changing

[ x ] will be playing on May 14


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 07, 2011, 11:50:38 AM
Rooney misses 2 games. The greatest player of his generation will miss the FA cup semi final against rivals Man City.
You're Man United, You'll do what you're told.

abs joke

im going to write to teh FA everytime i see a footballer swear nea a tv camera

You can do but that's not what Rooney did is it?

Rooney misses 2 games. The greatest player of his generation will miss the FA cup semi final against rivals Man City.
You're Man United, You'll do what you're told.

lol

[ ] result changing

[ x ] will be playing on May 14

[ ] Disagree


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 07, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
Obv a blow but still think we have enough to best city. Lol at the haters. Gtfo


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 08, 2011, 10:30:47 AM
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/2011/04/having_made_gigantic_losses_la.html

....Manchester United would comfortably comply with Uefa's regulations were they in force today. Despite making a £79m pre tax loss in 2010, that was mainly down to one off debt charges relating to the £500m bond refinancing and currency exchange rate swaps.

And the vast sums of money United generate as a football club (£300m according to Uefa's criteria and far more than any rival club) ensures that the regular debt repayments - totalling about £45m - are easily met.


Chelsea and Citeh will find it harder to comply apparently...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on April 08, 2011, 11:10:10 AM
G.Nev signed to ss as common tater.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 08, 2011, 12:01:52 PM
G.Nev signed to ss as common tater.

[ ] surprised

It will be interesting to see how he does, and whether the committed haters can be won over by him. I'd expect him to be far better as an analyst than most of the current crop.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on April 08, 2011, 12:05:13 PM
G.Nev signed to ss as common tater.

[ ] surprised

It will be interesting to see how he does, and whether the committed haters can be won over by him. I'd expect him to be far better as an analyst than most of the current crop.
Should be fun watching him cover a Liverpool match.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Indestructable on April 08, 2011, 09:51:22 PM
I am cancelling Sky Sports, can't believe they have done this.  ;frustrated;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 08, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
I am cancelling Sky Sports, can't believe they have done this.  ;frustrated;

Was probably wasted on you anyway


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 09, 2011, 09:10:13 AM
G.Nev signed to ss as common tater.

[ ] surprised

It will be interesting to see how he does, and whether the committed haters can be won over by him. I'd expect him to be far better as an analyst than most of the current crop.

Agree. Don't care if you know where his loyalties lie as long as he's good and I'm fairly sure he will be.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 09, 2011, 09:11:33 AM
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/2011/04/having_made_gigantic_losses_la.html

....Manchester United would comfortably comply with Uefa's regulations were they in force today. Despite making a £79m pre tax loss in 2010, that was mainly down to one off debt charges relating to the £500m bond refinancing and currency exchange rate swaps.

And the vast sums of money United generate as a football club (£300m according to Uefa's criteria and far more than any rival club) ensures that the regular debt repayments - totalling about £45m - are easily met.


Chelsea and Citeh will find it harder to comply apparently...

Interesting. So it's going to be turnover vs debt? Pretty soft IMO.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on April 09, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/2011/04/having_made_gigantic_losses_la.html

....Manchester United would comfortably comply with Uefa's regulations were they in force today. Despite making a £79m pre tax loss in 2010, that was mainly down to one off debt charges relating to the £500m bond refinancing and currency exchange rate swaps.

And the vast sums of money United generate as a football club (£300m according to Uefa's criteria and far more than any rival club) ensures that the regular debt repayments - totalling about £45m - are easily met.


Chelsea and Citeh will find it harder to comply apparently...

Interesting. So it's going to be turnover vs debt? Pretty soft IMO.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that - I can't see anything wrong with the principle though; if you earn a lot of money through football you can have a higher level of debt; if your debt is currently being paid for by other sources - like your commercial side or from an owners pocket, you're going to have a harder time.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Indestructable on April 09, 2011, 11:24:14 AM
G.Nev signed to ss as common tater.

[ ] surprised

It will be interesting to see how he does, and whether the committed haters can be won over by him. I'd expect him to be far better as an analyst than most of the current crop.

Agree. Don't care if you know where his loyalties lie as long as he's good and I'm fairly sure he will be.

It's not just about loyalties as there are United players that i would have no problems with such as Giggs, Van de Sar, Carrick to name a few but Gary Neville is unbearable.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 09, 2011, 12:19:19 PM
Obv it's more complicated than that. I just think if you can operate at a loss Coz you have good turnover then the rule is pointless. It should be based around profit.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/2011/04/having_made_gigantic_losses_la.html

....Manchester United would comfortably comply with Uefa's regulations were they in force today. Despite making a £79m pre tax loss in 2010, that was mainly down to one off debt charges relating to the £500m bond refinancing and currency exchange rate swaps.

And the vast sums of money United generate as a football club (£300m according to Uefa's criteria and far more than any rival club) ensures that the regular debt repayments - totalling about £45m - are easily met.


Chelsea and Citeh will find it harder to comply apparently...

Interesting. So it's going to be turnover vs debt? Pretty soft IMO.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that - I can't see anything wrong with the principle though; if you earn a lot of money through football you can have a higher level of debt; if your debt is currently being paid for by other sources - like your commercial side or from an owners pocket, you're going to have a harder time.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on April 09, 2011, 12:58:23 PM
For a normal company then I'd agree, I just think how they've arranged things is an acceptance that football isn't 'normal' business.

It also might just be a first step, although I doubt it, I think these regulations are just intended to provide a core stability to the finances - as long as a club has fundamentally sound finances then it doesn't matter too much if they take a bit of a loss.

Football is a fundamentally unprofitable 'business', so if an out and out profit were required there would be hardly any football clubs who would 'pass' the regulations.

Obv it's more complicated than that. I just think if you can operate at a loss Coz you have good turnover then the rule is pointless. It should be based around profit.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/2011/04/having_made_gigantic_losses_la.html

....Manchester United would comfortably comply with Uefa's regulations were they in force today. Despite making a £79m pre tax loss in 2010, that was mainly down to one off debt charges relating to the £500m bond refinancing and currency exchange rate swaps.

And the vast sums of money United generate as a football club (£300m according to Uefa's criteria and far more than any rival club) ensures that the regular debt repayments - totalling about £45m - are easily met.


Chelsea and Citeh will find it harder to comply apparently...

Interesting. So it's going to be turnover vs debt? Pretty soft IMO.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that - I can't see anything wrong with the principle though; if you earn a lot of money through football you can have a higher level of debt; if your debt is currently being paid for by other sources - like your commercial side or from an owners pocket, you're going to have a harder time.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 16, 2011, 10:20:39 PM
Siege mentality FTW well done the FA.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 17, 2011, 03:17:22 AM
Siege mentality FTW well done the FA.

:)

I see Scholes still hasnt mastered the art of tackling yet


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 17, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
Good losers imo


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 18, 2011, 12:07:30 AM
ty Liverpool


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeKnave on April 18, 2011, 03:05:40 AM
ty Eboue


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: redarmi on April 18, 2011, 04:12:35 AM
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/2011/04/having_made_gigantic_losses_la.html

....Manchester United would comfortably comply with Uefa's regulations were they in force today. Despite making a £79m pre tax loss in 2010, that was mainly down to one off debt charges relating to the £500m bond refinancing and currency exchange rate swaps.

And the vast sums of money United generate as a football club (£300m according to Uefa's criteria and far more than any rival club) ensures that the regular debt repayments - totalling about £45m - are easily met.


Chelsea and Citeh will find it harder to comply apparently...

Interesting. So it's going to be turnover vs debt? Pretty soft IMO.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that - I can't see anything wrong with the principle though; if you earn a lot of money through football you can have a higher level of debt; if your debt is currently being paid for by other sources - like your commercial side or from an owners pocket, you're going to have a harder time.

Isnt this worse?  Surely the fact a team earns more money from football shouldn't mean they then have more money to spend as this will just perpetuate the gap between the haves and have nots in football or am I missing your point??


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 19, 2011, 09:42:29 PM
Never easy


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 23, 2011, 12:52:35 AM
God no....

Barcelona midfielder Javier Mascherano, formerly of Liverpool, is in the sights of Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.
Full story: Caught Offside


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: scotty2hatty on April 23, 2011, 09:59:01 AM
Heard Hamsik of Brescia was on the radar too. And Sneijder still.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: maldini32 on April 23, 2011, 10:41:11 AM
Heard Hamsik of Napoli was on the radar too. And Sneijder still.

Fyp


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: scotty2hatty on April 23, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
Heard Hamsik of Napoli was on the radar too. And Sneijder still.

Fyp

Sigh, what was I thinking.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 26, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
How can a team in a champions league semi, playing infront of a boisterous (sp) crowd, not go out and least run around like crazed animals, fair enough they might not be good enough but that was almost criminal how they just stood and admired utd .


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 27, 2011, 10:34:22 AM
I believe we may have found the man to replace Scholes in the playmaker role...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 27, 2011, 12:42:32 PM
I believe we may have found the man to replace Scholes in the playmaker role...

go on then , who?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 27, 2011, 01:01:23 PM
Anderson innit....


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on April 27, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
Never seen a semi so one sided..

It would be good to see Utd in the final :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Marky147 on April 27, 2011, 03:24:25 PM
I think the worrying thing is that the final could be very similar to last night, the only difference being United are Schalke that night v Barca.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 27, 2011, 03:37:46 PM
I think the worrying thing is that the final could be very similar to last night, the only difference being United are Schalke that night v Barca.



never again!

Fergie learns! - Besides a fergie mourhinio clash coould be interesting too!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 27, 2011, 03:55:06 PM
I believe we may have found the man to replace Scholes in the playmaker role...

go on then , who?

Anderson innit....

Rooney ldo - gets better and better in the deeper position, plus he tackles better than Scholes  ;D


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 28, 2011, 06:46:59 AM
Disgusting scenes at the Bernabeu last night with players feigning injury, disputing decisions and getting involved in scuffles.

Only correct thing to do is to ban both clubs from the tournament imo


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Marky147 on April 28, 2011, 12:48:37 PM
never again!

Fergie learns! - Besides a fergie mourhinio clash coould be interesting too!

Yeah I hope you're right, Fergie would never approach the final the same way he did last time and hopefully we will come out of it much better this time around. I'm just not sure that there is anything that anyone can do against Barca really, they just seem to carve people open for fun.

That said United did look as good as I've seen for a while and hopefully that form will be repeated in the next 2 matches!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 28, 2011, 02:13:13 PM
never again!

Fergie learns! - Besides a fergie mourhinio clash coould be interesting too!

Yeah I hope you're right, Fergie would never approach the final the same way he did last time and hopefully we will come out of it much better this time around. I'm just not sure that there is anything that anyone can do against Barca really, they just seem to carve people open for fun.

That said United did look as good as I've seen for a while and hopefully that form will be repeated in the next 2 matches!!

Maureen has shown how to stop Barca. Whether Fergie will do it or not is another matter. Trying to out play them is folly.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 04, 2011, 09:42:23 PM
gonna be a huge game a wembley


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 04, 2011, 09:45:28 PM
gonna be a huge game a wembley

Get us some tickets Guy!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 04, 2011, 09:56:01 PM
gonna be a huge game a wembley

Get us some tickets Guy!

see what i can do - you prepared to pay more than face value? - not talking stupid money - cause i cant afford that  -  but if you are ill keep you posted


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on May 04, 2011, 10:02:12 PM
gonna be a huge game a wembley

Get us some tickets Guy!

see what i can do - you prepared to pay more than face value? - not talking stupid money - cause i cant afford that  -  but if you are ill keep you posted

you a utd fan from leeds? oy vey


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 04, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
gonna be a huge game a wembley

Get us some tickets Guy!

see what i can do - you prepared to pay more than face value? - not talking stupid money - cause i cant afford that  -  but if you are ill keep you posted

you a utd fan from leeds? oy vey

im a utd fan living in leeds but from the north west


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 04, 2011, 10:22:06 PM
gonna be a huge game a wembley

Get us some tickets Guy!

see what i can do - you prepared to pay more than face value? - not talking stupid money - cause i cant afford that  -  but if you are ill keep you posted

you a utd fan from leeds? oy vey

im a utd fan living in leeds but from the north west

Same as you- not stupid money but willing to paiiiiiii obv. Wouldn't wanna pay 2 grand to see us get thrashed by Barca tbh


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 05, 2011, 10:19:19 AM
Good night last night - thought Gibson and Anderson both showed more than glimpses of their talents and Valencia just gets better and better.

Smalling reminds me of the young Rio, his anticipation and ability to steal the ball without needing to make a tackle, but also the occasional lapse of concentration. Hopefully the lapses will be developed out of him.

Third CL Final in four seasons, not bad for a manager that was accused of having a poor record in Europe earlier in this thread.

Can we win it? Possibly, but Barca will obviously be favourites and it's going to take something special


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Amatay on May 06, 2011, 12:11:06 AM
This made me chuckle...


http://newsthump.com/2011/05/03/man-united-set-to-recall-howard-webb-for-crucial-chelsea-clash/


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 06, 2011, 02:25:13 PM
Third CL Final in four seasons, not bad for a manager that was accused of having a poor record in Europe earlier in this thread.

When you lose it'll be two CLs in 23 years? Pretty poor imo. Finals mean nothing.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 06, 2011, 02:28:17 PM
Third CL Final in four seasons, not bad for a manager that was accused of having a poor record in Europe earlier in this thread.

When you lose it'll be two CLs in 23 years? Pretty poor imo. Finals mean nothing.

so liverpool have had over a generation of meaningless league football?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 06, 2011, 05:00:53 PM

Third CL Final in four seasons, not bad for a manager that was accused of having a poor record in Europe earlier in this thread.

When you lose it'll be two CLs in 23 years? Pretty poor imo. Finals mean nothing.

Bitter at all?

so liverpool have had over a generation of meaningless league football?

Harsh, but fair comment


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 07, 2011, 02:58:51 PM
Third CL Final in four seasons, not bad for a manager that was accused of having a poor record in Europe earlier in this thread.

When you lose it'll be two CLs in 23 years? Pretty poor imo. Finals mean nothing.

so liverpool have had over a generation of meaningless league football?

True but we're talking about your team.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 07, 2011, 03:00:21 PM
Don't give a shit what you say. Fergie is a fkin legend. To take this current team to a final and still be top of the league is nothing short of amazing. Even if we end up with sweet FA we've overachieved with this squad.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 07, 2011, 03:01:45 PM

Third CL Final in four seasons, not bad for a manager that was accused of having a poor record in Europe earlier in this thread.

When you lose it'll be two CLs in 23 years? Pretty poor imo. Finals mean nothing.

Bitter at all?

so liverpool have had over a generation of meaningless league football?

Harsh, but fair comment


How is it bitter to have an opinion that you should have won more CL titles? IMHO you've been the best side in Europe more than twice in the period we're discussing. Possibly as many as 5 times. It's a compliment to the sides Ferguson has built I just don't think he's been tactically brilliant in your past. In 2008 his tactics were bang on.

If you want to play that off as bitter than ok, pretty pointless trying to discuss this with you.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 07, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
Don't give a shit what you say. Fergie is a fkin legend. To take this current team to a final and still be top of the league is nothing short of amazing. Even if we end up with sweet FA we've overachieved with this squad.



100% agree.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 08, 2011, 06:46:43 PM
Not mathematically done but 19 on the way. Who'd have thought that 20 years ago. SAF is truly a legend/genius. What a manager.

And yes Barca are massive faves but who know's. Hernandez late winner mayhaps?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 08, 2011, 06:51:07 PM
 ;karabiner; ;sexybanana; ;sexybanana; ;karabiner; ;karabiner;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on May 08, 2011, 07:04:53 PM
Ji Sung Park is ridiculous. What an engine he has.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: KarmaDope on May 08, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
Not mathematically done but 19 on the way. Who'd have thought that 20 years ago. SAF is truly a legend/genius. What a manager.

And yes Barca are massive faves but who know's. Hernandez late winner mayhaps?

Agreed. And I'm a Liverpool fan ffs ;) Looking forward to the CL final.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on May 08, 2011, 11:58:39 PM
And yes Barca are massive faves but who know's. Hernandez late winner mayhaps?



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 14, 2011, 03:01:57 PM
(http://im.in.com/connect/images/profile/b_profile3/Jim_Laker_300.jpg)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM

'nuff said


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 14, 2011, 03:16:30 PM
(http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo151/outragous76/19.jpg)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 14, 2011, 03:22:06 PM
Champions!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on May 14, 2011, 04:48:54 PM
WD, especially since you never got a decision going your way this entire season :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on May 15, 2011, 02:02:27 AM
Just seen Liverpool are 7/1 to make the top 4 and a champions league place next year. For anyone struggling with the maths this means if you bet £10 on this then you stand to lose £10


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on May 15, 2011, 12:12:11 PM
I agree as far is the CL goes, it's qutie an achievement but I don't think you've overachieved in the prem.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 15, 2011, 02:09:45 PM
WD, especially since you never got a decision going your way this entire season :)

rotflmfao


We got some that went our way -  most highlighted by Hansen on MotD last night
we got some that went against us  -  [ ] also mentioned on MotD


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on May 15, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
WD, especially since you never got a decision going your way this entire season :)

rotflmfao


We got some that went our way -  most highlighted by Hansen on MotD last night
we got some that went against us  -  [ ] also mentioned on MotD


[  ]  There were decisons to be found which went against u, so MOTD could highlight them.. ;whistle;
[X]  Can of worms opened, which people will never agree on.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 16, 2011, 11:32:47 AM
WD, especially since you never got a decision going your way this entire season :)

rotflmfao


We got some that went our way -  most highlighted by Hansen on MotD last night
we got some that went against us  -  [ ] also mentioned on MotD


[ X ]  There were decisons to be found which went against u, so MOTD could highlight them.. ;whistle;
[X]  Can of worms opened, which people will never agree on.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeFYMVqlLz0

Very much along the lines of the ones that Hansen chose to highlight


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 24, 2011, 09:29:52 AM
The conveyor belt keeps turning...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5xFTyBHrjo

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13513703.stm


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rod on May 24, 2011, 09:50:38 AM
Question for United fans. Sorry if it has already been asked but I was having a argument with some Utd fans about it last night.

What do you think will happen when Ferguson retires. There does not seem to be a plan for somebody to take over. Should he be training somebody (Giggs?) for the job over the next few years or would you rather see Mourinho or somebody similar brought in.

Manchester United have only really been successful under Ferguson, but he has had to rebuild the team a few times and stay ahead of the game and the effect he has on the club is pretty clear. Before him they were really just another upper mid table side, although a well supported one. More than two thirds of their titles have been won with him as manager. Do you believe that it can continue without him or will the team slip back below the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, who have both traditionally been more successful.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 24, 2011, 10:57:45 AM

Manchester United have only really been successful under Ferguson,


If your view of history starts in 1970

But three league titles in the 50's, which would almost certainly have been more bar the events of 6 February 1958,
Two titles in the 60's

oh and the first English Club to win the European Cup which was in 1968,

We've been more successful under SAF, but 'only really successful' under him?


As for the future - speculation abounds, but at a personal level I'd rather see a Brit than a foreigner, rather see someone with United connections than someone without, and definitely not Mourinho.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 24, 2011, 01:28:27 PM

Manchester United have only really been successful under Ferguson,


If your view of history starts in 1970

But three league titles in the 50's, which would almost certainly have been more bar the events of 6 February 1958,
Two titles in the 60's

oh and the first English Club to win the European Cup which was in 1968,

We've been more successful under SAF, but 'only really successful' under him?


As for the future - speculation abounds, but at a personal level I'd rather see a Brit than a foreigner, rather see someone with United connections than someone without, and definitely not Mourinho.

I agreed with everything right up till Mourinho!

You cannot deny him his record. He is an amazing man manager and has the personailty to handle a  job like manager at OT. The only reason he hasnt scooped everything in spain is that he faces the worlds best team, but give him a few years in the job he will get there.

You just cant knock Jose - the an is too good!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on May 24, 2011, 01:41:25 PM

Manchester United have only really been successful under Ferguson,


If your view of history starts in 1970

But three league titles in the 50's, which would almost certainly have been more bar the events of 6 February 1958,
Two titles in the 60's

oh and the first English Club to win the European Cup which was in 1968,

We've been more successful under SAF, but 'only really successful' under him?


As for the future - speculation abounds, but at a personal level I'd rather see a Brit than a foreigner, rather see someone with United connections than someone without, and definitely not Mourinho.

I agreed with everything right up till Mourinho!

You cannot deny him his record. He is an amazing man manager and has the personailty to handle a  job like manager at OT. The only reason he hasnt scooped everything in spain is that he faces the worlds best team, but give him a few years in the job he will get there.

You just cant knock Jose - the an is too good!
jose has nothing to gain at utd. if he wins everything people would just say that is off saf's years of hard work building the foundations. jose needs to go to liverpool,arsenal,city or chelsea who are also ran no hopers where his influence will be recognised


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 24, 2011, 04:11:55 PM
I was a fan of Mourinho during the better part of his tenure at Chelsea - not keen on the style of football he had them playing, but he brought something to the English game with his personality.

However, in the later days at Chelsea and subsequently he doesn't seem to me to be of the right 'stuff' for us.

SAF plays mindgames, but Mourinho goes too far, and seems to be losing the plot - the fuss around the game against Barca is a case in point

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/28/jose-mourinho-real-madrid-barcelona

Not Officer Material



On a more pressing issue, the news that Giggs hasn't trained today is a real concern. All this bolox about super-injunctions and welsh tarts can't help his mental state.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 24, 2011, 06:26:50 PM
Good last post. I just don't think UTD fans could accept his style of football and unlike at Chelsea, at UTD no one is bigger than the club.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on May 24, 2011, 07:21:08 PM
I'm one of the few people that don't support Man U but likes Neville so will watch the testimonial tonight.
Also nice to see Beckham wearing 7.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 26, 2011, 11:02:19 AM
Happy Anniversary everyone


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 29, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
So wasn't to be. To be fair I don't think any team in the world, including international teams, would be able to cope with the passing/movement of Barca. Simply unplayable. We could have turned it into a dirtier affair but that would mean getting near them. I know people were purring about Messi but for man of the match was Xavi. Incred.

All in all though, considering the team, we have had a great season. Now we need to spend to rebuild. Berba out. Need a striker imo and a couple of centre mids and obv a keeper. Ashley Young would be a decent signing imo. Wouldn't mind seeing Modric at United either. Whatever happens should be an interesting summer for a lot of clubs- Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Spurs will all be spending I imagine. Will we get 20 next year? Will be a lot tougher than this year methinks.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MANTIS01 on May 29, 2011, 05:17:55 PM
Would have been nice to sub Michael Carrick after 20 mins and bring on Roy Keane. Unfortunately that wasn't one of Fergie's options.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 29, 2011, 05:52:02 PM
Would have been nice to sub Michael Carrick after 20 mins and bring on Bobby Charlton. Unfortunately that wasn't one of Fergie's options.

fyp


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: epljay on May 30, 2011, 01:31:53 AM
Crazy game. I expected Barcelona to have the edge obviously but to dominate like they did was incredible. It's a shame for Man U..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: redarmi on May 30, 2011, 01:49:01 AM
Question for United fans. Sorry if it has already been asked but I was having a argument with some Utd fans about it last night.

What do you think will happen when Ferguson retires. There does not seem to be a plan for somebody to take over. Should he be training somebody (Giggs?) for the job over the next few years or would you rather see Mourinho or somebody similar brought in.

Manchester United have only really been successful under Ferguson, but he has had to rebuild the team a few times and stay ahead of the game and the effect he has on the club is pretty clear. Before him they were really just another upper mid table side, although a well supported one. More than two thirds of their titles have been won with him as manager. Do you believe that it can continue without him or will the team slip back below the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, who have both traditionally been more successful.

ON 606 this evening a United fan called in and suggested that MU needed Fergie to step aside to let someone else take over and, I kid you not, "take them to the next level".  I am pretty sure the next manager in charge will take them to the next level alright....but I doubt it will be a higher level!!!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 30, 2011, 05:01:42 AM
Question for United fans. Sorry if it has already been asked but I was having a argument with some Utd fans about it last night.

What do you think will happen when Ferguson retires. There does not seem to be a plan for somebody to take over. Should he be training somebody (Giggs?) for the job over the next few years or would you rather see Mourinho or somebody similar brought in.

Manchester United have only really been successful under Ferguson, but he has had to rebuild the team a few times and stay ahead of the game and the effect he has on the club is pretty clear. Before him they were really just another upper mid table side, although a well supported one. More than two thirds of their titles have been won with him as manager. Do you believe that it can continue without him or will the team slip back below the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, who have both traditionally been more successful.

LOL some people are idiots
ON 606 this evening a United fan called in and suggested that MU needed Fergie to step aside to let someone else take over and, I kid you not, "take them to the next level".  I am pretty sure the next manager in charge will take them to the next level alright....but I doubt it will be a higher level!!!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 31, 2011, 09:19:14 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13600395.stm

Scholes retires. Legend.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on May 31, 2011, 09:20:50 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13600395.stm

Scholes retires. Legend.

True legend


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: millidonk on May 31, 2011, 09:26:22 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13600395.stm

Scholes retires. Legend.

True legend

Have always hated Man U, but i can't do anything but admire Scholesie. Legend


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AndrewT on May 31, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
Scholes was always the footballer who GIQ.

To have been so instrumental in one of the top teams for so long and yet not get too big for his boots seems like quite an achievement now any clogger who scores a goal in the Premiership thinks they are the best thing ever.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: millidonk on May 31, 2011, 09:44:47 AM
Don't know how true this is as i haven't seen it for myself. My mate text me and said he was watching tele and they said Iniesta went up to Scholes after the game and asked for his top and he told Scholes that the barca team thought he was the best midfielder of the last decade!? Massive compliment if that is true.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AndrewT on May 31, 2011, 09:48:11 AM
Don't know how true this is as i haven't seen it for myself. My mate text me and said he was watching tele and they said Iniesta went up to Scholes after the game and asked for his top and he told Scholes that the barca team thought he was the best midfielder of the last decade!? Massive compliment if that is true.

Scholes was always hugely rated on the continent - Zinedine Zidane said he was the best player he ever played against.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on May 31, 2011, 09:59:14 AM
6 Barca players asked to swap shirts with him I think.
Xavi and Iniesta both rate him hugely. They said if he was Spanish he would have received a lot more praise.

Was a great player and a top pro. Loved his tackling too.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 31, 2011, 12:23:19 PM
One of the greats. Flawed as all greats are, but his ability to pick out and deliver passes over distance set him apart.

As did his goals in his heyday.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJF3j_5Ms24


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on May 31, 2011, 02:06:55 PM
flawed and ginger


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: millidonk on May 31, 2011, 02:20:34 PM
flawed and ginger

Makes me laugh, everyday at the same time the Herbatron begins his trolling. Looking forward to the afternoon's entertainment.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on May 31, 2011, 02:34:39 PM
flawed and ginger

Makes me laugh, everyday at the same time the Herbatron begins his trolling. Looking forward to the afternoon's entertainment.
hey dont doubt he was an excellent player but somethings you cant forgive.

and i think you may be missing some stuff, i'm up at 6am most days but usually bantering with red dog at that time of day or checking the fall out from the posts at 1am whilst in bed the previous night


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: millidonk on May 31, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
flawed and ginger

Makes me laugh, everyday at the same time the Herbatron begins his trolling. Looking forward to the afternoon's entertainment.
hey dont doubt he was an excellent player but somethings you cant forgive.

and i think you may be missing some stuff, i'm up at 6am most days but usually bantering with red dog at that time of day or checking the fall out from the posts at 1am whilst in bed the previous night

Nah, i see it. but its usually just boring sensible stuff. You don't get burning til after lunch.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on May 31, 2011, 03:40:47 PM
flawed and ginger

Makes me laugh, everyday at the same time the Herbatron begins his trolling. Looking forward to the afternoon's entertainment.
hey dont doubt he was an excellent player but somethings you cant forgive.

and i think you may be missing some stuff, i'm up at 6am most days but usually bantering with red dog at that time of day or checking the fall out from the posts at 1am whilst in bed the previous night

Nah, i see it. but its usually just boring sensible stuff. You don't get burning til after lunch.
yeah just proper did it in the renting your place out thing. worse of all i did not know what i had  done wrong


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on May 31, 2011, 03:42:44 PM
flawed and ginger


meant to be funny?

meant to be an insult?

either way, pretty daft.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on May 31, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
Watched Scholes at Elland road in 91 or 92 when he was with the Man Utd youth team in the cup final against us. He was well up for it, gestures at the crowd, putting himself around the pitch some reet tackles if i remember rightly. He was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch which was saying something as both teams produced some excellent players.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on May 31, 2011, 07:08:38 PM
flawed and ginger


meant to be funny?

meant to be an insult?

either way, pretty daft.
wtf tighty...i dont even know why scholes is flawed, just going with the flow of the previous post. he is ginger ffs. my best mate is ginger ( and this aint a my best friend is gay or black excuse). he is the easiest guy to take the piss out of for being ginger. when they catch crabs the crabs are ginger, whats not to poke fun at in ginger people


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on May 31, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
flawed and ginger


meant to be funny?

meant to be an insult?

either way, pretty daft.
wtf tighty...i dont even know why scholes is flawed, just going with the flow of the previous post. he is ginger ffs. my best mate is ginger ( and this aint a my best friend is gay or black excuse). he is the easiest guy to take the piss out of for being ginger. when they catch crabs the crabs are ginger, whats not to poke fun at in ginger people

1750 posts :D


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on June 01, 2011, 10:53:38 AM
owens stays

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13594839.stm


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on June 01, 2011, 11:32:18 AM
owens stays

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13594839.stm

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3K_zuzJbGrQ/TaYVGbwG7zI/AAAAAAAABWU/a3q6H4AoFmQ/s400/whoopdeedoo%255B1%255D.jpg)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on June 01, 2011, 06:55:26 PM
Baffled by signing Owen for another year


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on June 01, 2011, 07:13:44 PM
Baffled by signing Owen for another year

He runs so so good, bizarre.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on June 01, 2011, 07:17:37 PM
Baffled by both sides , why would Fergie want to keep him? And does he not actually want to play some football before he retires or does he want to make about ten 5 min cameos in a season and hope to get another PL medal?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on June 01, 2011, 07:19:37 PM
Baffled by signing Owen for another year

Good bench warmer IMO, we were going to start looking really lightweight

Men down:
Van der Saar
Hargreaves
Scholesy
Gary Neville
Maybe berba

Not many squads could take those hits

We need to be buying abs min of 3 quality players this summer


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on June 01, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
Baffled by both sides , why would Fergie want to keep him? And does he not actually want to play some football before he retires or does he want to make about ten 5 min cameos in a season and hope to get another PL medal?

I guess you haven't followed his career much for the last 5-6 years and more ?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on June 01, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
Baffled by both sides , why would Fergie want to keep him? And does he not actually want to play some football before he retires or does he want to make about ten 5 min cameos in a season and hope to get another PL medal?

I guess you haven't followed his career much for the last 5-6 years and more ?

Yeah It's injuries that stopped him playing through his career , but he's just not good enough to play for ManU so he knows he never gonna get starts whether hes injured or not, but still wants to stay.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on June 01, 2011, 07:25:27 PM
Baffled by signing Owen for another year

Fairly average 4th forward, to make 10 5 min apperances over a season.  Experience maybe a help in the squad.  Berbatov leaving?  So instead of needing to get 2 new strikers brought in, keep Owen for fairly cheap.  And Owen can keep boasting on Twitter about winning medals.   

Not great by any means but understandable, imo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on June 01, 2011, 07:27:06 PM
Baffled by signing Owen for another year

Good bench warmer IMO, we were going to start looking really lightweight

Men down:
Van der Saar- fair enough
Hargreaves- lol come on, not a big loss he hasnt been about in years
Scholesy- has been a spent force the last couple of years, not a 1st teamer by any means, no big loss.
Gary Neville- just lol
Maybe berba- Cant make the champions lge final squad , cant be that big a loss.

Not many squads could take those hits

We need to be buying abs min of 3 quality players this summer



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on June 01, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
I think Owen is quite content. He earns good money. He trains daily with good players. Has lots of interest/business outside of football. I honestly feel he contributes to the squad and hasn't had a season as a guaranteed name in the XI since his Liverpool days so has probably go used to playing when needed. He believes when he is playing he is playing at the top level. He's not too far from "home"
England/Fabio don't want him. If he left i don't think he'd be playing European football unless he went abroad again.
Goalkeeper needs replacing but other than that I think you're only short in CM unless other players are sold.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 01, 2011, 11:35:51 PM
I think Owen is quite content. He earns good money. He trains daily with good players. Has lots of interest/business outside of football. I honestly feel he contributes to the squad and hasn't had a season as a guaranteed name in the XI since his Liverpool days so has probably go used to playing when needed. He believes when he is playing he is playing at the top level. He's not too far from "home"
England/Fabio don't want him. If he left i don't think he'd be playing European football unless he went abroad again.
Goalkeeper needs replacing but other than that I think you're only short in CM unless other players are sold.


keeper cm x2 and a striker imo


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on June 05, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Thoughts on Nasri?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on June 06, 2011, 12:34:45 AM
Thoughts on Nasri?

He'd be your best midfielder.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ironside on June 06, 2011, 10:45:32 AM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com//06062011/58/premier-league-giggs-flees-uk-affair-sister-law.html


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on June 06, 2011, 10:49:22 AM
Thoughts on Nasri?

He'd be your best midfielder.
This for me. So much better centrally than when played wide. He could be the midfielder you've needed since Scholes had his eye injury.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on July 07, 2011, 03:08:22 PM
wtf

why have we sold Wes Brown?

John O shea going too

Gary Neville gone

I hope we have several purchases due


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on July 07, 2011, 03:09:43 PM
Good bump,  I remember this thread.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on July 07, 2011, 04:25:25 PM
wtf

why have we sold Wes Brown?

John O shea going too

Gary Neville gone

I hope we have several purchases due

cos they're shite


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on July 07, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
Thoughts on your new signings ?

Think De Gea will be a good buy but not sure on Ashley Young having the quality that you should be going for, he's good but he's not World Class, pretty similar to Valencia imo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on July 07, 2011, 08:14:07 PM
£50m spent by the Champions and CL runner's up. Rumours of more interest in big signings like Nasri. What debt?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on July 07, 2011, 11:46:05 PM
Thoughts on your new signings ?

Think De Gea will be a good buy but not sure on Ashley Young having the quality that you should be going for, he's good but he's not World Class, pretty similar to Valencia imo.

I didnt even play him on my football manager team when i was atletico

but he is ment to be the shizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzles!

hopefully we will get a solid central midfielder


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on July 08, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
wtf

why have we sold Wes Brown?

John O shea going too

Gary Neville gone

I hope we have several purchases due

cos they're shite

They had their moments though

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUsb82jxpuQ

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJqs4OFsiKA

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QubF5Afcuek



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on July 08, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Evans all not first choice at the end of last season. Probably underrated but getting on a bit and no real need for them was there?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on August 06, 2011, 11:32:43 AM
We signed Obertran today.. Deece?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: toddswain on August 06, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
We signed Obertran today.. Deece?


Mate, hes fkin appalling, makes Ranger look ' deece '


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on August 06, 2011, 11:41:38 PM
Danny Welbeck over Bent for England squad lol.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on August 07, 2011, 10:40:06 AM
Danny Welbeck over Bent for England squad lol.


Bent will never get the recognition he deserves


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on August 07, 2011, 10:50:09 AM
Danny Welbeck over Bent for England squad lol.


Bent will never get the recognition he deserves
as man utd fans do you still smile at leeds results. leeds and liverpool threads seem to get more posts from those guys who always seem to believe that this season is somehow gonna be different to the last yet the champions thread dont see much love.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on August 07, 2011, 11:13:21 AM
Danny Welbeck over Bent for England squad lol.

bent has a shoulder injury apparently


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on August 07, 2011, 11:33:16 AM
Danny Welbeck over Bent for England squad lol.

bent has a shoulder injury apparently
and there was me thinking it was coz he is black :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on August 07, 2011, 11:40:37 AM
Danny Welbeck over Bent for England squad lol.

bent has a shoulder injury apparently

Yeah, Skysports just reported that.

Ah well, we'll still beat you on Wednesday...in a meaningless game.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on August 07, 2011, 12:11:53 PM
Danny Welbeck over Bent for England squad lol.

bent has a shoulder injury apparently

Yeah, Skysports just reported that.

Ah well, we'll still beat you on Wednesday...in a meaningless game.
we aren't playing germany. its against the dutch iirc ;)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on August 07, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
New united keeper looks pretty good


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on August 07, 2011, 03:55:07 PM
New united keeper looks pretty good

So does City's defence


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on August 07, 2011, 04:00:36 PM
New united keeper looks pretty good

So does City's defence

solid :-)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: redarmi on August 07, 2011, 04:45:05 PM
Obviously shouldn't get carried away on the form of a friendly but that was pretty amazing from United especially the young kids.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on August 07, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
Obviously shouldn't get carried away on the form of a friendly but that was pretty amazing from United especially the young kids.
i would allow myself to fist pump slightly. its not like you are looneypool still expecting a top 4 place or leeds expecting to be playing top flight next season. utd give a title contender 2 goals head start and won. mbn


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on August 14, 2011, 04:42:11 PM
De Gea looks short of confidence already. Stick or twist?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on August 14, 2011, 04:52:36 PM
De Gea will be able to sell a compilation bloopers video come christmas if he keeps this up !!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: action man on August 14, 2011, 04:57:59 PM
fabio is having a nightmare


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on August 15, 2011, 11:12:56 AM
De Gea looks short of confidence already. Stick or twist?

Stick - he needs a couple of clean sheets to boost his confidence and to get an understanding going with the defenders in front of him.

[ ] This is helped by Vidic and Ferdinand not finishing games.

[ ] Four easy games coming up

[ ] we have lots of options

  • if they score two we'll score three


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: neeko on August 16, 2011, 01:25:36 PM
Looks like the Glasers are going to flog manu on the Singapore stock exchange

[  ] money will go back into the club


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
tiote 14m we hear..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Amatay on August 22, 2011, 09:46:08 PM
fk me United looked gd tonight.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on August 22, 2011, 09:50:33 PM
Phil Jones is gonna be a fkin supastar


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on August 22, 2011, 09:55:14 PM
always loved anderson, cant wait to play man yoo though, will be a great game, our athletic midfield will give their inexperienced midfield someting to worry about.

howay the lads!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on August 22, 2011, 09:58:28 PM
always loved anderson, cant wait to play man yoo though, will be a great game, our athletic midfield will give their inexperienced midfield someting to worry about.

howay the lads!

I've always rated Anderson too. When he first came I thought he was going to be on par with Fabregas but for some reason never quite happened


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on August 22, 2011, 10:01:18 PM
Was genuinely a good game of football. Could be so many shouts for MOTM. Welbeck got it but I thought he was poor until the goal. Friedel played well and conceded 3.
Modric for the most unfit/lazy Kranjcar I've ever seen would have made it more even.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on August 22, 2011, 11:25:43 PM
Looks like Fergie's going to put faith in the kids again, don't see them letting him down, wp Wellbeck esp.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on August 23, 2011, 06:48:09 AM
Pretty irksome that they played so well, looked much better than most times I saw them last season.

Reckon they must be a good bet to put a hatful past us on Sunday. Not sure I can watch


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ACE2M on August 23, 2011, 09:32:07 AM
always loved anderson, cant wait to play man yoo though, will be a great game, our athletic midfield will give their inexperienced midfield someting to worry about.

howay the lads!

I've always rated Anderson too. When he first came I thought he was going to be on par with Fabregas but for some reason never quite happened

he's rubbish, always has been.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on August 23, 2011, 09:38:09 AM
btw, jake livermore was incred


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on August 28, 2011, 05:28:22 PM
:)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on August 28, 2011, 05:30:11 PM
rotflmfao 6 now. Arsenal are soo poor it's unreal.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on August 28, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
just take the title now

how must it feel to be 5-1 down and then the opposition throw on giggs and park?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 28, 2011, 05:46:41 PM
will wenger get the sack?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on August 28, 2011, 06:45:58 PM
I tweeted pre game that I thought it was Arsenals worst premiership team. Results helps my theory!

Wenger is gonna get bummed buying any player on Monday/Tuesday. Everyone just went up 20% to an arsenal buyer!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on August 28, 2011, 08:37:11 PM
just take the title now

how must it feel to be 5-1 down and then the opposition throw on giggs and park?

Man City might have something to say about  that, they weren't too shabby either.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on August 28, 2011, 08:59:38 PM
Wenger is gonna get bummed buying any player on Monday/Tuesday. Everyone just went up 20% to an arsenal buyer!

Quite right as well. I think there should be a massive premium on every team that leaves it till the last minute to buy players. You either have a vision for the next few years or you don't...Wenger clearly doesn't.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on August 28, 2011, 09:46:41 PM
Quote
Manchester-based England XI
Continue reading the main story

    * GK - Joe Hart (City)
    * RB - Micah Richards (City)
    * LB - Joleon Lescott (City)
    * CB - Phil Jones (United)
    * CB - Chris Smalling (United)
    * CM - James Milner (City)
    * CM - Gareth Barry (City)
    * CM - Tom Cleverley (United)
    * RW - Adam Johnson (City)
    * LW - Ashley Young (United)
    * CF - Wayne Rooney (United)
Not a bad team there.

Looking forward to seeing Andersons antics on MOTD.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on August 28, 2011, 10:33:19 PM
Wenger is gonna get bummed buying any player on Monday/Tuesday. Everyone just went up 20% to an arsenal buyer!

Quite right as well. I think there should be a massive premium on every team that leaves it till the last minute to buy players. You either have a vision for the next few years or you don't...Wenger clearly doesn't.
Really?
Do you not think it's pretty shrewd leaving your bid for a player who leaves on a free in a years time till the last minute?
Take the offer on the table now or wait till Jan when he's worth at least 50% less (and I think can talk to foreign clubs about a free at the end of the year) or wait till summer and get F'all.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on August 28, 2011, 11:32:02 PM
Wenger is gonna get bummed buying any player on Monday/Tuesday. Everyone just went up 20% to an arsenal buyer!

Quite right as well. I think there should be a massive premium on every team that leaves it till the last minute to buy players. You either have a vision for the next few years or you don't...Wenger clearly doesn't.
Really?
Do you not think it's pretty shrewd leaving your bid for a player who leaves on a free in a years time till the last minute?
Take the offer on the table now or wait till Jan when he's worth at least 50% less (and I think can talk to foreign clubs about a free at the end of the year) or wait till summer and get F'all.
Different scenarios surely?
If City's offer for Nasri was rejected they still have a big enough squad to cope (presuming you meant that transfer).

Wenger surely knew a long while ago who he was losing. They have some injuries/suspensions but obviously need defenders/striker!

Get your deals done early on imo, give them a full preseason to settle in and work on anything that the manager feels needs improving.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on August 28, 2011, 11:58:11 PM
Sorry was referring to Arsenal's bid for Cahill. Bolton are obviously desperate to sell. Coyle's been talking about interest all Summer but nobody else has. They're £93mil in debt. Doubt Bolton can let him go for free.
I think it's smart to give them a take it or leave it offer on Wednesday rather than signed him for ~5mil more at the start of the summer.
I don't think Wenger expected Nasri to go but he would take Fabregas's position and Gervinho would play wide where Nasri did.
They need to find a midfielder that they hadn't planned on but I think they've just been pretty unlucky with injuries.
You can argue that Arsenal can't attract the top talent anymore but think it's unfair to say he hasn't tried to strengthen he was after Smalling, Jones and Mata who have all turned them down.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on August 29, 2011, 12:14:13 AM
Unreal from Man U but Man City will challenge until the end and could well win the title.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: craigbetts on August 29, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
Unreal from Man U but Man City will challenge until the end and could well win the title.

This is a 2 horse race, a la Rangers v Celtic and Barca v Real Madrid. Both teams buzzing at this stage of the season, WTF! On history I would say Man U hands down, but what has impressed me about Citeh is their total dominance across the park. Chelski simply do not have the energy and its possible Liverpool may chase them hard for third!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on August 29, 2011, 07:18:44 AM
Sorry was referring to Arsenal's bid for Cahill. Bolton are obviously desperate to sell. Coyle's been talking about interest all Summer but nobody else has. They're £93mil in debt. Doubt Bolton can let him go for free.
I think it's smart to give them a take it or leave it offer on Wednesday rather than signed him for ~5mil more at the start of the summer.


I doubt very much that Cahill will go to Arsenal for 6-7mill. Obv if they sign him for approx 12mill they will have him for 8mill less than they could have signed him in January (when Bolton wanted approx 20mill).

Yes, very shrewd...he might have saved you £8mill...WP Wenger.

Oh, but hang on a minute..how did you do in the second part of last season? How much do you think that cost you?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 15, 2011, 10:09:28 AM
Giggs scores again  ;)

All in all a decent performance and the point away from home that SAF looks for to go with nine from winning the home matches to pretty much guarantee a quarter final place.

Good run out for Fletcher and Valencia and a good showing from Lindegaard.

One up front isn't our most free flowing system, but it does the job.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on September 15, 2011, 10:21:26 AM
Going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you meant 2nd round.
Got to be pretty confident to think a point away means that you'll sail through your first knockout game when you could easily play Bayern or Milan


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 15, 2011, 10:29:18 AM
Going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you meant 2nd round.
Got to be pretty confident to think a point away means that you'll sail through your first knockout game when you could easily play Bayern or Milan

You're correct of course - although confidence is high

Really looking forward to Sunday now, this fels like a good time to be playing Chelsea


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on September 15, 2011, 10:30:35 AM
where was young? injrued?

who will play when young/nani/valencia are all back?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 15, 2011, 10:53:17 AM
where was young? injrued?

who will play when young/nani/valencia are all back?

SAF said after the game that he gave Young a rest.

Perm any two from three of Young/Nani/Valencia atm I don't think there's much between them. I think Nani may not react quite as well as the other two to being 'rested'/used as a sub though. Does that mean he starts more to get more from him? Maybe.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 19, 2011, 12:37:08 PM
Carlsberg don't do weekend football results, but if they did...




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 20, 2011, 07:52:18 PM
lol at the line up against Leeds. 1-3-6 by the looks of it


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 21, 2011, 01:16:54 PM
Life in the old dogs yet?

Combined age of last night's scorers = 99


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on September 21, 2011, 01:31:03 PM
is it right that owen's now scored 11 in his last 12 starts or is that a made up stat?

Life in the old dogs yet?

Combined age of last night's scorers = 99

that's def a made up stat


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 21, 2011, 01:32:16 PM
is it right that owen's now scored 11 in his last 12 starts or is that a made up stat?

Life in the old dogs yet?

Combined age of last night's scorers = 99

that's def a made up stat

From BBC

Scoring twice against Leeds took his goal streak to 11 goals in 12 starts, but he has been in the starting line-up so rarely that the run dates back to October 2009.

{2 x 31) + 37...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on September 22, 2011, 11:03:43 AM
is it right that owen's now scored 11 in his last 12 starts or is that a made up stat?

Life in the old dogs yet?

Combined age of last night's scorers = 99

that's def a made up stat
like ninja mod is made up too... i believed you but tighty could not believe i was so stupid :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on September 22, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
fans singing about istanbul supposedly.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 22, 2011, 05:04:45 PM
fans singing about istanbul supposedly.

fans also singing about Munich...

neither are acceptable


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on September 22, 2011, 06:00:24 PM
fans singing about istanbul supposedly.

fans also singing about Munich...

neither are acceptable

Neither are new.

A lot been made of this when I heard about 20 people on each side doing it on Tues, in like 2002 the whole of our stand was doing aeroplane arms and you had about 10 banners saying Istanbul and nothing was made of it then.

Not saying its acceptable, just don't understand why its more of a big deal now with 20 people doing it then 7 years ago with 2,000 doing it.

Didn't realise society had changed that much in 7 years.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 23, 2011, 09:28:35 AM
Gtfo Owen hargreaves


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 23, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
Gtfo Owen hargreaves

nah - good luck to him, we had our chance to keep him and opted not to.

Obviously I may revise this view if he stays fit

[ ] This seems likely


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on September 23, 2011, 10:47:38 AM
Don't think the invterview comes across too badly to be honest. Obvious United didn't treat him as well as possible and he accepts as much blame as them for the Wolves game.
How he goes on the pitch thinking "I'll try and get through it without sprinting" is beyond me.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 23, 2011, 11:54:24 AM
Should keep his gob shut. Basically paid him to sit on his arse for 3 years


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on September 23, 2011, 11:57:38 AM
Should keep his gob shut. Basically paid him to sit on his arse for 3 years


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on September 23, 2011, 12:19:37 PM
u crocked him mate with ur dodgy injections.

#oncescumalwaysscum


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on September 23, 2011, 07:28:51 PM
fergie backing his medical staff 100%. pretty much reckons that that utd would not have been as successful without them. good luck to owen but wtf you moaning for, just look bitter


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on September 26, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15064028.stm


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on September 27, 2011, 09:47:04 PM
Is the Phil Jones myth over? I think he's a decent youngster but was shocked he was in the last England squad and all the hype around him.
Reckon it will die down after a couple of really shaky games.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 27, 2011, 10:04:20 PM
Is the Phil Jones myth over? I think he's a decent youngster but was shocked he was in the last England squad and all the hype around him.
Reckon it will die down after a couple of really shaky games.

Just lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on September 27, 2011, 10:42:26 PM
Jones, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Fabiom Rafaek, all suspect and dodgy. YOU CANT WIN NOWT WITH KIDS


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on September 27, 2011, 10:43:47 PM
Jones, Ferdinand, Smalling, Evans, Fabiom Rafaek, all suspect and dodgy. YOU CANT WIN NOWT WITH KIDS

just lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on September 27, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
     Krul

Simpson Taylor Collocini Santon


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

              De Gay

Rafael Jones Ferdinana Evra





  tiote   cabaye

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

anderson cleverly



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 28, 2011, 04:19:49 AM
     Krul

Simpson Taylor Collocini Santon


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

              De Gay

Rafael Jones Ferdinana Evra





  tiote   cabaye

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

anderson cleverly



GTFO


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: action man on September 28, 2011, 04:59:04 AM
Is the Phil Jones myth over? I think he's a decent youngster but was shocked he was in the last England squad and all the hype around him.
Reckon it will die down after a couple of really shaky games.

i think he will go down as englands best ever centre half infront of bobby moore


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on September 28, 2011, 07:54:52 AM
You obviously rate him very highly. I'm more of a Smalling fan. Do you not think he has been shaky in the last couple of games? He was marking Crouch at set pieces on Saturday and let him go for the goal and I seem to remember Crouch having another simple chance too.
He seems to go on a lot of really penetrating runs but often have no end product and leave him miles out of position. I think he has potential but everybody seems to be talking as if he is playing out of his skin.
This got a lol response from the Man U fans but at least one of the nationals has picked up on it even though it is an article full of praise despite being a criticism.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/sep/28/phil-jones-defending-paul-hayward?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/sep/28/phil-jones-defending-paul-hayward?CMP=twt_gu)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on September 28, 2011, 10:21:50 AM
Is the Phil Jones myth over? I think he's a decent youngster but was shocked he was in the last England squad and all the hype around him.
Reckon it will die down after a couple of really shaky games.

i think he will go down as englands best ever centre half infront of bobby moore

I like Jones for 19 he's showing so much skill and potential but to have a long career at the top for both club and country he needs alot of luck..avoid injury, maintain form..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on November 04, 2011, 01:44:55 PM
25 years of Fergie (well on Sunday anyways).

Remarkable, and still the best manager in the league.

WP


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on November 04, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
25 years of Fergie (well on Sunday anyways).

Remarkable, and still the best manager in the league.

WP

pards?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on November 04, 2011, 01:54:32 PM
25 years of Fergie (well on Sunday anyways).

Remarkable, and still the best manager in the league.

WP

pards?

Fluke? (He might be a genius all of a sudden..I don't know. I watched "Limitless" last night and it could well be that Pads got his hands on some NZT...but I doubt it somehow.)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 04, 2011, 02:04:39 PM
25 years of Fergie (well on Sunday anyways).

Remarkable, and still the best manager in the league.

WP

pards?

Fluke? (He might be a genius all of a sudden..I don't know. I watched "Limitless" last night and it could well be that Pads got his hands on some NZT...but I doubt it somehow.)

The maddest thing is, he probably isn't levelling.

<3 PeeLeno


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 04, 2011, 02:42:32 PM
25 years of Fergie (well on Sunday anyways).

Remarkable, and still the best manager in the league.

WP

Arguably. There have been seasons when other managers with more limited resources have achieved above expectations (see Pardew @NUFC in the opening part of this season, or Moyes @Everton for the past 5 or 6 seasons amongst others)

Not a clue who will replace him if indeed he's replaceable. The Phil Neville interview on the R5 tribute including him saying something along the lines of it having to be someone with a United history. Phil's suggestions were Brian Robson, Mark Hughes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville.
I honestly don't have words to express my fear that one of those could be the next manager of Manchester United. I'd rather have Mourinho, and I don't want him either.
Maybe Guardiola would fancy the job? dreams...

Hopefully SAF has another 10 years in him. My dad's 85 and is still Chairman and non-playing captain of his Bowls Team so you never know.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on November 04, 2011, 03:00:29 PM
25 years of Fergie (well on Sunday anyways).

Remarkable, and still the best manager in the league.

WP

Arguably. There have been seasons when other managers with more limited resources have achieved above expectations (see Pardew @NUFC in the opening part of this season, or Moyes @Everton for the past 5 or 6 seasons amongst others)

Not a clue who will replace him if indeed he's replaceable. The Phil Neville interview on the R5 tribute including him saying something along the lines of it having to be someone with a United history. Phil's suggestions were Brian Robson, Mark Hughes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville.
I honestly don't have words to express my fear that one of those could be the next manager of Manchester United. I'd rather have Mourinho, and I don't want him either.
Maybe Guardiola would fancy the job? dreams...

Hopefully SAF has another 10 years in him. My dad's 85 and is still Chairman and non-playing captain of his Bowls Team so you never know.

Would be stunned of Neville or Giggs would get the job (Or Robson for that matter and think hughes would be a mistake). Mourinho has gotten too big for his boots now IMO. When he came to Chelsea he was funny, slightly arrogant but he knew what was decent and what not. He's just a whiny little b*tch now (if still a good manager obv).

Guardiola would be a good shout. Young up and coming manager who has shown he can handle life at a big club and he is by no means tied to Barca for the rest of his life.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on November 04, 2011, 04:41:19 PM
i fucking hate it that you and the rest of the country label yourself United.




















Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 04, 2011, 04:45:55 PM
i fucking hate it that you and the rest of the country label yourself United.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on November 04, 2011, 05:17:29 PM
i fucking hate it that you and the rest of the country label yourself United.


Who labels who United? Or is this just a "There is only one Utd and that's NUFC?"


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 04, 2011, 09:17:30 PM
i fucking hate it that you and the rest of the country label yourself United.


Who labels who United? Or is this just a "There is only one Utd and that's NUFC?"

I make an effort not to do this.

Although I reckon most people know which team is being referred to when the short form is used.

Do you hate it when people refer to the two Midlands clubs as The Albion, or Villa?




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on November 04, 2011, 09:24:15 PM
i fucking hate it that you and the rest of the country label yourself United.


Who labels who United? Or is this just a "There is only one Utd and that's NUFC?"

I make an effort not to do this.

Although I reckon most people know which team is being referred to when the short form is used.

Do you hate it when people refer to the two Midlands clubs as The Albion, or Villa?



Thats no where near the same thing.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 05, 2011, 07:50:17 AM
i fucking hate it that you and the rest of the country label yourself United.


Who labels who United? Or is this just a "There is only one Utd and that's NUFC?"

I make an effort not to do this.

Although I reckon most people know which team is being referred to when the short form is used.

Do you hate it when people refer to the two Midlands clubs as The Albion, or Villa?



Thats no where near the same thing.

No? Really? Gosh!

More seriously, I do get rather tired of seeing Manchester United Footbakll Club referred to as 'manure'

And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 05, 2011, 09:39:55 AM
i fucking hate it that you and the rest of the country label yourself United.


Who labels who United? Or is this just a "There is only one Utd and that's NUFC?"

I make an effort not to do this.

Although I reckon most people know which team is being referred to when the short form is used.

Do you hate it when people refer to the two Midlands clubs as The Albion, or Villa?



Thats no where near the same thing.

No? Really? Gosh!

More seriously, I do get rather tired of seeing Manchester United Footbakll Club referred to as 'manure'

And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.


 ;applause;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 06, 2011, 12:10:44 AM
Nice to name the stand after Fergie and do it as a suprise, obv much deserved.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on November 06, 2011, 04:04:58 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 06, 2011, 07:26:12 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.

Yawn


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 06, 2011, 08:22:07 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 06, 2011, 08:37:28 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



 ;applause;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 06, 2011, 09:00:37 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 06, 2011, 09:20:10 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.

Sov with all respect you know fuck all about what he does/does not feel about United. Just cos your team is shit doesn't mean you support them anymore then Man U fans do


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 06, 2011, 09:22:12 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.

Sov with all respect you know fuck all about what he does/does not feel about United. Just cos your team is shit doesn't mean you support them anymore then Man U fans do

you have missed my point G2L.  it is impossible to have the same connection with a club you support from 100 miles away.  When leeds won the title I was in the city centre with my fellow people of leeds.  You havent even been to old trafford have you?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 06, 2011, 09:23:31 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.

Sov with all respect you know fuck all about what he does/does not feel about United. Just cos your team is shit doesn't mean you support them anymore then Man U fans do

you have missed my point G2L.  it is impossible to have the same connection with a club you support from 100 miles away.  When leeds won the title I was in the city centre with my fellow people of leeds.  You havent even been to old trafford have you?

Not getting into this again as you're obv just trying to wind me up. Glad u enjoyed your title win many moons ago. What was it like in the city centre when you when down to league 2?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 06, 2011, 09:28:11 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.

Sov with all respect you know fuck all about what he does/does not feel about United. Just cos your team is shit doesn't mean you support them anymore then Man U fans do

you have missed my point G2L.  it is impossible to have the same connection with a club you support from 100 miles away.  When leeds won the title I was in the city centre with my fellow people of leeds.  You havent even been to old trafford have you?

Not getting into this again as you're obv just trying to wind me up. Glad u enjoyed your title win many moons ago. What was it like in the city centre when you when down to league 2?

you fail to understand that by digging my team it just shows you up for the glory supporter you are.  you picked your team based on previous success and its all you've got.  I will follow leeds regardless of league position because I'm a loyal supporter.

Glory supporters pick a team then spend there lives explaining why they are a real supporter.  The thing they miss is they will never be, no matter how many shirts you buy or how many times you tell us that your uncle/brother/dad/neighbour supported them so you did too.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 06, 2011, 09:47:38 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.

Sov with all respect you know fuck all about what he does/does not feel about United. Just cos your team is shit doesn't mean you support them anymore then Man U fans do

you have missed my point G2L.  it is impossible to have the same connection with a club you support from 100 miles away.  When leeds won the title I was in the city centre with my fellow people of leeds.  You havent even been to old trafford have you?

Not getting into this again as you're obv just trying to wind me up. Glad u enjoyed your title win many moons ago. What was it like in the city centre when you when down to league 2?

you fail to understand that by digging my team it just shows you up for the glory supporter you are.  you picked your team based on previous success and its all you've got.  I will follow leeds regardless of league position because I'm a loyal supporter.

Glory supporters pick a team then spend there lives explaining why they are a real supporter.  The thing they miss is they will never be, no matter how many shirts you buy or how many times you tell us that your uncle/brother/dad/neighbour supported them so you did too.



Yup I'm a glory hunter. Now fuck off to another thread and make your worthless point.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 06, 2011, 09:49:44 AM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 06, 2011, 09:50:22 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.

Sov with all respect you know fuck all about what he does/does not feel about United. Just cos your team is shit doesn't mean you support them anymore then Man U fans do

you have missed my point G2L.  it is impossible to have the same connection with a club you support from 100 miles away.  When leeds won the title I was in the city centre with my fellow people of leeds.  You havent even been to old trafford have you?

Not getting into this again as you're obv just trying to wind me up. Glad u enjoyed your title win many moons ago. What was it like in the city centre when you when down to league 2?

you fail to understand that by digging my team it just shows you up for the glory supporter you are.  you picked your team based on previous success and its all you've got.  I will follow leeds regardless of league position because I'm a loyal supporter.

Glory supporters pick a team then spend there lives explaining why they are a real supporter.  The thing they miss is they will never be, no matter how many shirts you buy or how many times you tell us that your uncle/brother/dad/neighbour supported them so you did too.



Yup I'm a glory hunter. Now fuck off to another thread and make your worthless point.

Thats a bit aggressive George, if I didnt like you so much I would report this aggressive abuse.

I only posted in response to some silly comments... I will be on my way now George


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 06, 2011, 09:52:21 AM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


The fact they didnt exist.  Obviously you can take it to the Nth degree like why didnt i support the under 9's team etc.  I just personally believe that football would be much more competitive if everybody supported there local league team.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 06, 2011, 10:30:28 AM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


The fact they didnt exist.  Obviously you can take it to the Nth degree like why didnt i support the under 9's team etc.  I just personally believe that football would be much more competitive if everybody supported there local league team.

You may well be right, and I do support Northampton Town, as much as I can from a home in the North East,

But whoever I support, I don't refer to others as scum, which was where this flurry of posts began. Where do you stand on that?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 06, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


The fact they didnt exist.  Obviously you can take it to the Nth degree like why didnt i support the under 9's team etc.  I just personally believe that football would be much more competitive if everybody supported there local league team.

You may well be right, and I do support Northampton Town, as much as I can from a home in the North East,

But whoever I support, I don't refer to others as scum, which was where this flurry of posts began. Where do you stand on that?

I was trying not to post on this thread as I have upset George and it wasnt really my intention. 

The scum thing is a funny debate really, i think most fans call each other scum, whilst its not a very nice word I dont think that its worth getting upset about.  Leeds fans are called scum by man utd fans more than the other way round pretty much because through every single game played at old trafford and also most away games Man Utd fans sing "we all hate leeds scum", its non-stop for many games even champions league games. 

From time to time I have referred to Man Utd as scum but its not something I do that often really.  I guess its one of those things and in my opinion not really that bad.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on November 06, 2011, 10:53:11 AM
And at an even higher level of seriousness.

I am aware enough of the prejudices of certain posters not to have to seek for contextual reference when any football team is referrred to as 'the scum'. I know that that is intended to indicate Manchester United Football Club, I know it stems from feelings of envy and insecurity, and i know it indicates a certain lack of balance and maturity in the poster. But it is annoying just the same.

But you London Reds fans chant "we all hate Leeds scum" no?

Anyway, my Grandad calls you Scum, my Dad calls you Scum and I will teach my son Luke to call you Scum. Because thats the way its always been. Because you are (not you personally, I'm sure your a tremendous bloke).

Its probably difficult for you to understand, your Grandad/Dad probably support their local clubs, Stevenage or Plymouth or Exeter or whom ever.

And thats fine.


So London Reds were born in Plymouth or Exeter? Do they not teach anything in school these days?

More to the point, and more seriously. Your family sounds really pleasant, do they still use all the other offensive descriptors for people or is it just Manchester United Football Club? Anyway, I'm sure Sunday afternoon tea with the Hornerises must be a delight.

My dad supports Manchester United Football Club btw, and has done for nearly 60 yrs, my attachment just goes back to 1963

Unlike yours, my Dad didn't force me to support any club, and brought me up to have respect for others and especially not to refer to any group of people by any sort of offensive term.



the problem is with fans like you the football league will die and we will end up with 3 or 4 clubs with all the "supporters".

Your dad not explaining the importance of supporting your local club is the problem here, you make out like its a good thing getting everybody to support Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool etc whereas it breaks my heart as I know what its like to have a real affiliation with my club and I would hate to see a league of 20... how much fun is the scottish league?

I'm from Leeds, I love Leeds and I support my local club.  I go to games because my team is local to me.  Lots of Man Utd "fans" don't go because they live 100 miles away.

You struggle to understand what it is like to support a team, not because they are doing well or will win all the trophies but because they are YOUR team.  When Leeds lose it hurts, when we win I'm delighted.  I'm pretty sure you don't care as much as proper fans as you simply picked your team.

It would be like me picking to support a different country... if I started wearing a Spanish shirt and got the pencil case and lunch box telling everybody that my dad took me to Spain when I was 3 and that I've supported them for 25 years would that make it ok?  No because its ridiculous.

 ;applause; ;applause; ;applause;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 06, 2011, 12:41:26 PM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


This is why we have such good support, it's not because the Geordies love there football, although a lot do, we are a 1 team city, Newcastle is they only local club to support for quite a distance, and so most of us do.

This isn't trolling but Man U's away following is well known for bringing good support, they are up there with the best away supporters in the Premier Lge for sure, this may be bullshit but I was under the impression that a lot of them are Man U fans from Manchester that refuse to go to the home games ?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on November 06, 2011, 01:38:45 PM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


The fact they didnt exist.  Obviously you can take it to the Nth degree like why didnt i support the under 9's team etc.  I just personally believe that football would be much more competitive if everybody supported there local league team.
i thought you lived or was from bradford, am i wrong?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on November 06, 2011, 01:58:59 PM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


The fact they didnt exist.  Obviously you can take it to the Nth degree like why didnt i support the under 9's team etc.  I just personally believe that football would be much more competitive if everybody supported there local league team.
i thought you lived or was from bradford, am i wrong?

ouch that cuts deep.  I was born and bred in Leeds.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on November 06, 2011, 02:25:49 PM
No digs, I have some sympathy for the view that football may be polarised by the trend towards supporting only the TV friendly, big audience ratings clubs.

How did you choose which of your local clubs to support though? What stops you from being a Leeds City supporter?


The fact they didnt exist.  Obviously you can take it to the Nth degree like why didnt i support the under 9's team etc.  I just personally believe that football would be much more competitive if everybody supported there local league team.
i thought you lived or was from bradford, am i wrong?

ouch that cuts deep.  I was born and bred in Leeds.
lol. sorry just realised its girgles from braddy.... nowadays scunny through and throuigh myself but had fun following leeds on the train in the early/mid eighties. scunny whites getting along and travelling with grimsby and donny whites yet i cant stand either of the neighbours teams.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 22, 2011, 12:18:12 PM
Next United manager?

(http://www.amazing-planet.net/slike/vijesti/sport/solskjaer_retires.jpg)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8897844/Jim-White-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-reveals-why-Manchester-United-hot-seat-is-his-burning-ambition.html


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on November 22, 2011, 12:23:22 PM
one time

ive often wondered how easy it would be to get right behind the next manager from day 1 - this would be the easiest around! Not tarnished like hughes/bruce either


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 22, 2011, 12:52:25 PM
one time

ive often wondered how easy it would be to get right behind the next manager from day 1 - this would be the easiest around! Not tarnished like hughes/bruce either

ticks all the boxes doesn't he?

apparently available at 14/1 with a couple of bookmakers too


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 22, 2011, 01:02:42 PM
lest we forget...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0KdbDVtlQ

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-JmsODpjNQ


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 22, 2011, 01:15:05 PM
Won't happen


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 22, 2011, 01:26:33 PM
Won't happen

I thought this, surely he'd have to do more to get the job ?

How are Hughes/Bruce tainted ?

Surely you wouldn't just want to give the job to ex player with no exp, not that I think either of them are good enough to do the job. You should want Guardiola imo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on November 22, 2011, 01:34:14 PM
Won't happen

I thought this, surely he'd have to do more to get the job ?

How are Hughes/Bruce tainted ?

Surely you wouldn't just want to give the job to ex player with no exp, not that I think either of them are good enough to do the job. You should want Guardiola imo.

Solskjaer is Guardiola - DUCY?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 22, 2011, 01:51:14 PM
Won't happen

I thought this, surely he'd have to do more to get the job ?

How are Hughes/Bruce tainted ?

Surely you wouldn't just want to give the job to ex player with no exp, not that I think either of them are good enough to do the job. You should want Guardiola imo.

Solskjaer is Guardiola - DUCY?

Well yeah, but no :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: redarmi on November 22, 2011, 01:58:04 PM
Thought that article was really interesting especiall Fergies view that Solskjaer was a really good sub because he could pick apart the opponents weaknesses from the bench.   Never thought of it that way.  Makes you wonder why David fairclough was never a better manager though...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 22, 2011, 02:02:59 PM
Won't happen

Why do you say that George?

Another couple of seasons learning his trade and maybe a season alongside SAF... he has MUFC running through him


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on November 22, 2011, 03:44:26 PM
Didn't he protest against the Glazers? Not a question about his ability but Fergie keeping him/giving him a job is one thing but the blokes you protested against?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 23, 2011, 11:29:49 AM
Didn't he protest against the Glazers? Not a question about his ability but Fergie keeping him/giving him a job is one thing but the blokes you protested against?

That was six years ago... doesn't time fly?

It just seems that his background and the love the fans have for him give him a great start and add in the fact that he's already demonstrating that he has some talent for the job.

On more pressing matters - not looking forward to the draw for the next round of the CL

(but looking forward to it more than the noisy neighbours are)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on November 23, 2011, 02:49:28 PM
Didn't he protest against the Glazers? Not a question about his ability but Fergie keeping him/giving him a job is one thing but the blokes you protested against?

That was six years ago... doesn't time fly?

It just seems that his background and the love the fans have for him give him a great start and add in the fact that he's already demonstrating that he has some talent for the job.

On more pressing matters - not looking forward to the draw for the next round of the CL

(but looking forward to it more than the noisy neighbours are)


David mate Man United have not made it into the draw for the next round yet , thats even more pressing than who you might draw in the last 16 innit.

Also Ole Gunnar Solksjaer is a Liverpool supporter is he not? ;nanana;, It might be his dream to manage Liverpool not ManU  ;snoopy'sguns;



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on November 23, 2011, 03:18:36 PM
Fergie feeling the strain?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15853955.stm


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on November 23, 2011, 08:26:27 PM
Fergie feeling the strain?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15853955.stm

question got the response it deserved


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 23, 2011, 08:34:02 PM
Fergie feeling the strain?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15853955.stm

question got the response it deserved

You drew at home with Benfica and needed a last minute equaliser to draw at home with Basle, Man City have crushed the Prem Lge but have been pretty poor in CL, how was it not a fair question ?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on November 23, 2011, 09:17:56 PM
Fergie feeling the strain?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15853955.stm

question got the response it deserved

You drew at home with Benfica and needed a last minute equaliser to draw at home with Basle, Man City have crushed the Prem Lge but have been pretty poor in CL, how was it not a fair question ?

He said we were "struggling in europe", we are 2nd with our destiny in our own hands - not struggling!

if he mentioned the game then fair enough - guy asking the question quite clearly trying to be provocative - this is fergie not ian holloway


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 24, 2011, 01:01:16 AM
Think it's a reasonable question. We are struggling in an easy group that we should already have topped. Having said that I trust SAF. Siege mentality and all that. Gwan SAF!!!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 24, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
Think it's a reasonable question. We are struggling in an easy group that we should already have topped. Having said that I trust SAF. Siege mentality and all that. Gwan SAF!!!!

Yeah I'm sure you'll get through, but having to go to Basle and get a result wasn't expected, I'd be shocked if you didn't though.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 24, 2011, 12:03:31 PM
Think it's a reasonable question. We are struggling in an easy group that we should already have topped. Having said that I trust SAF. Siege mentality and all that. Gwan SAF!!!!

Yeah I'm sure you'll get through, but having to go to Basle and get a result wasn't expected, I'd be shocked if you didn't though.

We're not playing well - the rotation of the squad isn't helping that but a lot of the changes are being forced on us by injury/illness/suspension. Newcastle have shown how vital it is to have a settled back four/five in their start to the season - we seem to have a different defense every match...
As for the midfield...

but - it's still only November, we're second in the league and need a point in Basle to make the KO stages of the CL. I don't thinki it's time for gloom and despondency.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on November 24, 2011, 11:29:17 PM
Fergie feeling the strain?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15853955.stm

question got the response it deserved

Cracking up/lost the plot IMO


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 25, 2011, 11:47:52 AM
Fergie feeling the strain?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15853955.stm

question got the response it deserved

Cracking up/lost the plot IMO

Nah - this is how it looks when the plot is lost...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

#Invalid YouTube Link#



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on November 25, 2011, 03:54:05 PM
Just kidding btw. But any other manager in England would have had this type of headline bar maybe Redknapp and Hodgson.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 25, 2011, 04:49:20 PM
Nah this is losing it:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaZYhTd2BU

We were nervous cos they were top.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 25, 2011, 08:46:53 PM
Nah this is losing it:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaZYhTd2BU

We were nervous cos they were top.


I tried to post this with the Keegan moment but the link failed (or did an LFC supporting mod sabotage it?) :-)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on November 25, 2011, 09:39:19 PM
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 26, 2011, 08:17:15 AM
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Thnak you for your insight. What price would you give on Manchester United getting that point? And what price the win?





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on November 26, 2011, 10:39:37 AM
Of course one is cracking up and the other "giving the journo the response the question deserved".

Never mind that one of them was impromptu....


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on November 26, 2011, 11:16:59 AM
Of course one is cracking up and the other "giving the journo the response the question deserved".

Never mind that one of them was impromptu....

So cringe when he pulls the piece of paper out lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: anthonyl on November 30, 2011, 11:48:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMrdFIa5oIE&feature=player_embedded

ahahaha. why wasn't that a pen?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 01, 2011, 06:58:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMrdFIa5oIE&feature=player_embedded

ahahaha. why wasn't that a pen?

LMAO - I feel as though I've been rick-rolled...





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 07, 2011, 06:55:25 PM
Squeaky bum time tonight.

But on the bright side, if it all goes horribly wrong, at least the kids will get some European experience...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: anthonyl on December 07, 2011, 09:30:01 PM
HAHAHAHAA


fuck manchester.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: anthonyl on December 07, 2011, 09:32:53 PM
real squeaky bum time now!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 07, 2011, 09:37:10 PM
Not even geeg


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: tikay on December 07, 2011, 09:37:55 PM

Oh my!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on December 07, 2011, 09:39:30 PM
HAHAHAHAA


fuck manchester.

feel free to post here more often


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: tikay on December 07, 2011, 09:43:58 PM
HAHAHAHAA


fuck manchester.

feel free to post here more often

Gotta love that sort of stuff, eh? Just ignore it, Guy.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 07, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
HAHAHAHAA


fuck manchester.

feel free to post here more often

Especially if you have more of the same well thought through stuff to contribute


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on December 07, 2011, 09:45:32 PM
Unlucky gents


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on December 07, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Football's weird isn't it? Seems it's a disaster for Man U and not bad for City and Arsenal fans think everyone would swap places with them a couple of months after being suicidal.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: tikay on December 07, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Football's weird isn't it? Seems it's a disaster for Man U and not bad for City and Arsenal fans think everyone would swap places with them a couple of months after being suicidal.

Very true, some of the fans & media are so short-sighted, & fickle.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: anthonyl on December 07, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
HAHAHAHAA


fuck manchester.

feel free to post here more often

will do. from my couch like every man u fan!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 07, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
HAHAHAHAA


fuck manchester.

feel free to post here more often

will do. from my couch like every man u fan!

Yawn. Do one.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on December 07, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
Does this mean only 3 champions league places for England next year?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 07, 2011, 09:56:54 PM
Does this mean only 3 champions league places for England next year?

That'd make things interesting!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on December 07, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Thnak you for your insight. What price would you give on Manchester United getting that point? And what price the win?


I price both at absolute fucking million.

hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on December 07, 2011, 09:58:14 PM
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on December 07, 2011, 09:58:50 PM
Does this mean only 3 champions league places for England next year?

That'd make things interesting!

I think that's what is going to happen. Which is pretty com as all the Chelsea/Liverpool/arsenal fans giving it the big one now will be fuming in may!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 07, 2011, 09:59:31 PM
Does this mean only 3 champions league places for England next year?

That'd make things interesting!

I think that's what is going to happen. Which is pretty com as all the Chelsea/Liverpool/arsenal fans giving it the big one now will be fuming in may!!

Would be funny if Liverpool esp finished 4th behind United, City and Chelsea


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on December 07, 2011, 09:59:40 PM
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Thnak you for your insight. What price would you give on Manchester United getting that point? And what price the win?


I price both at absolute fucking million.

hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

Lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on December 07, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
Does this mean only 3 champions league places for England next year?

That'd make things interesting!

I think that's what is going to happen. Which is pretty com as all the Chelsea/Liverpool/arsenal fans giving it the big one now will be fuming in may!!
Somebody on Twitter who is pretty good on these things says that this isn't going to happen. England are the top nation in terms of European rankings apparently.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 07, 2011, 10:22:31 PM
Does this mean only 3 champions league places for England next year?

That'd make things interesting!

I think that's what is going to happen. Which is pretty com as all the Chelsea/Liverpool/arsenal fans giving it the big one now will be fuming in may!!
Somebody on Twitter who is pretty good on these things says that this isn't going to happen. England are the top nation in terms of European rankings apparently.

Would have been ironic but bad for the PL overall plus who knows? At this rate and on current form United may need that 4th spot.

#buysomemidfieldersinjanuaryplsFergie


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on December 07, 2011, 10:24:56 PM
Enjoy the thursday night/sunday 3pm games lads.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on December 07, 2011, 10:37:10 PM
Does this mean only 3 champions league places for England next year?

That'd make things interesting!

I think that's what is going to happen. Which is pretty com as all the Chelsea/Liverpool/arsenal fans giving it the big one now will be fuming in may!!
Somebody on Twitter who is pretty good on these things says that this isn't going to happen. England are the top nation in terms of European rankings apparently.

Would have been ironic but bad for the PL overall plus who knows? At this rate and on current form United may need that 4th spot.

#buysomemidfieldersinjanuaryplsFergie

[  ] Going to be able to buy the same standard of midfielders in Jan as u would've done in the summer. 



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AndrewT on December 07, 2011, 11:25:00 PM
England still top of the rankings - them, Spain and Germany are quite a bit clear of Italy in 4th so no danger of losing the 4th CL spot any time soon.

Even if England had dropped, next season's places are already locked in.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Longy on December 08, 2011, 03:16:21 AM
Spain and Germany only got 2 teams through to the last 16 as well, it is just very unlike England not to get all 4 teams through.

I would be very surprised under the current system that any time soon, that England won't have 4 champions league spots.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 08, 2011, 06:45:58 AM
 Kh
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Thnak you for your insight. What price would you give on Manchester United getting that point? And what price the win?


I price both at absolute fucking million.

hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

didn't have the balls to offer any price at all before the event though didya?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on December 09, 2011, 12:45:13 PM
terrible news on vidic!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 09, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
terrible news on vidic!


awful - none of the others have anything like the impact he has.

But we have to deal with it. What's needed is stability now, a consistent centreback pairing. Every game, including the ones where the rest of the team may be rotated.
Which two though? Taking Ferdinand out of the picture because he doesn't seem capable of playing every week that leaves

Smalling & Evans or
Jones & Evans

sigh



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on December 09, 2011, 01:30:47 PM
Buy Alex from Chelski?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on December 09, 2011, 01:31:35 PM
Buy Alex from Chelski?

but we dont need a striker?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: boldie on December 09, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
Buy Alex from Chelski?

but we dont need a striker?

You need a defender, a midfielder (Wesley obv..how did this not happen in the summer?) and a striker.....don't know who the striker would be TBH.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on December 09, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
terrible news on vidic!


looked nasty and now its confirmed poor sod. His pain has only just begun :(


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on December 09, 2011, 04:03:09 PM
Kh
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Thnak you for your insight. What price would you give on Manchester United getting that point? And what price the win?


I price both at absolute fucking million.

hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

didn't have the balls to offer any price at all before the event though didya?

Well there was no point because the price was 1/5 and 1/2 and I doubted you wanted to get involved at those sort of odds.

But siddddddddddddddddddddddaaawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 10, 2011, 09:15:30 AM
Kh
A trip to Basle needing a point will not be easy at all.


Thnak you for your insight. What price would you give on Manchester United getting that point? And what price the win?


I price both at absolute fucking million.

hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

didn't have the balls to offer any price at all before the event though didya?

Well there was no point because the price was 1/5 and 1/2 and I doubted you wanted to get involved at those sort of odds.

But siddddddddddddddddddddddaaawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn



ahhh, so your original comment was just you blowing smoke out of your *rse.
No surprise there


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AdamM on December 10, 2011, 10:39:42 AM
Off to Old Traffordforthe Wolves game.
Two free tickets from friend of a friend :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on December 13, 2011, 03:49:29 PM
Fletcher got to take a break from the game. Not looked the same since his illness last year. Hopefully comes back as good as ever.
I really rate what he does for Man U after years thinking he could never be a footballer and there was no position he could play.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Hairydude on December 13, 2011, 04:00:19 PM
Fletcher got to take a break from the game. Not looked the same since his illness last year. Hopefully comes back as good as ever.
I really rate what he does for Man U after years thinking he could never be a footballer and there was no position he could play.

I'm torn between thinking he is utter dross and good!!!

for example he does well for man utd but he has absolute superstars next to him in the team.... for Scotland he is utter dross but again doesnt have same quality next to him.... BUT surely if he is a good player he should improve the team nonetheless; I think he makes Scotland worse when he plays.

Still hope he gets fit again; must be horrible having something like that when you should be in the prime of your playing career.... at least an injury is just one of the risks of the job!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 13, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
Fletcher got to take a break from the game. Not looked the same since his illness last year. Hopefully comes back as good as ever.
I really rate what he does for Man U after years thinking he could never be a footballer and there was no position he could play.

I'm torn between thinking he is utter dross and good!!!

for example he does well for man utd but he has absolute superstars next to him in the team.... for Scotland he is utter dross but again doesnt have same quality next to him.... BUT surely if he is a good player he should improve the team nonetheless; I think he makes Scotland worse when he plays.

Still hope he gets fit again; must be horrible having something like that when you should be in the prime of your playing career.... at least an injury is just one of the risks of the job!

 with the obvious exception of Rooney I don't think we currently have any 'absolute superstars'

Fletcher had a great sense of position and generally a good eye for reading the game - he's not been back long enough to have fully recovered that sense of where to be and who's doing what. I'm sure he will soon.






Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on December 13, 2011, 05:00:20 PM
I'm a Fletcher fanboy.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Eso Kral on December 13, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
I'm a Fletcher fanboy.
Me to!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 18, 2011, 02:11:51 PM
Somehow, this poor team that needs a centre back, a playmaking midfielder and a striker is top of the league and an Arsenal win away from holding that position going into Christmas week...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 18, 2011, 02:13:40 PM
We looked good today. OK it was against QPR but haven't seen us play that well for a while. Hopefully a sign of things to come


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: anthonyl on December 18, 2011, 02:47:43 PM
Jones is an absolute beast. Power, pace, and stamina.

Evans could have had a hatrick, but he did OK at defending today.

Passing looked like it was back to what it was for the first 10 games but defo missing something alongside Jones.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 02, 2012, 08:34:52 AM
After the performance on Saturday lunchtime I was prepared for it to be a pretty bad weekend. We were poor and the only bright spot was Berbatov's involvement in the game - a season ago he wouldn't have been anywhere near our penalty area

The Tottenham and Chelsea results lightened my mood a little - ok the Chelsea result lightened my mood quite a lot, and then, yesterday afternoon, I was happy at 0-0 with seconds to go and laughing uncontrollably when Ji popped up at the end to win it for Sunderland.

Can we win the title playing as we did on Saturday? Emphatically no.
Can we improve? Of course we can, the lack of cover in central defence is worrying as is the lack of a genuine midfield playmaker, but SAF is The Man and I'm not about lose faith in his judgement of who or what we need.

Next weekend will be fun... especially if the Scousers can get a result at City on Tuesday (and we manage a win at Newcastle - not at all to be taken for granted)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on January 02, 2012, 08:59:36 AM
It's quite funny. Everyone was talking this weekend about nobody wanting to win the title this year. Before yesterday's games Chelsea and Arsenal are on the same points as they were at this point last season. Man U are +4 and Man City +13.
I think it will be close between the Manchester clubs. Man U have the tougher away games left but City had a difficult festive period and are struggling to break teams down at the moment. City also can't write off the Europa League like Man U as they need to do well to improve their seeding for future seasons in the CL.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 08, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
Retrograde step?

maybe, maybe not

but we'll be happy if he delivers some of this...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0BI-1sGbAI

or even better some of this

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3WIYxvQq9k



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 08, 2012, 01:23:08 PM
Chris Foy ruins a massive cup tie for the neutrals within 10 mins. gg.





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 08, 2012, 01:46:48 PM
Chris Foy ruins a massive cup tie for the neutrals within 10 mins. gg.


Neutrals? There are neutrals watching this? GTFO

Red card may be harsh, but life is tough and the first goal came against 11men



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 08, 2012, 02:00:10 PM
Chris Foy ruins a massive cup tie for the neutrals within 10 mins. gg.





+1


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 08, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
Chris Foy ruins a massive cup tie for the neutrals within 10 mins. gg.


Neutrals? There are neutrals watching this? GTFO

Red card may be harsh, but life is tough and the first goal came against 11men



?  I'm watching it, why wouldnt I watch the top 2 clubs in a cup tie?

Holy shit the outcry and hissy fits if this was the other way around.

First goal did come when they have 11men, but counting Man city out when ur only 0-1 is silly. Anyways Ive turned over to the golf now, as u'know for neutrals the games over.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: millidonk on January 08, 2012, 02:04:33 PM
As a neutral i obv wanted man city. but its 10 vs 12 out there. I thought i saw some poor referee performances last year but this is horrendous.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 08, 2012, 02:09:12 PM
As a neutral i obv wanted man city.

standard


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 08, 2012, 02:11:17 PM
As a neutral i obv wanted man city.

standard

lol I was going to say - an awful lot of 'neutrals' don't seem in the slightest bit neutral.

If I'm a neutral in any game I want to see lots of goals and action - I'd have thought this game would fit the bill pretty well


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 08, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
As a neutral i obv wanted man city.

standard

lol I was going to say - an awful lot of 'neutrals' don't seem in the slightest bit neutral.

If I'm a neutral in any game I want to see lots of goals and action - I'd have thought this game would fit the bill pretty well

As a neutral I want uncertaintly of outcome. Unfortunately after 10 minutes this was never possible.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on January 08, 2012, 02:28:16 PM
Quite surprised by how many people were writing off Man City's chance once they went a man down - it seemed a lot less likely when they'd conceded 3 as well; but most people seemed to be writing off their chances after 12 minutes


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 08, 2012, 02:35:21 PM
As a neutral i obv wanted man city.

standard

lol I was going to say - an awful lot of 'neutrals' don't seem in the slightest bit neutral.

If I'm a neutral in any game I want to see lots of goals and action - I'd have thought this game would fit the bill pretty well

As a neutral I want uncertaintly of outcome. Unfortunately after 10 minutes this was never possible.


[ ] very prescient of you

did you see uncertainty of outcome at half time in Istanbul? (A night when I cheered on Liverpool for probably the last time ever)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on January 08, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
Probably also in the (un)neutral camp and I thought the red was fine. Annoying it possibly spoilt some entertainment but the ref's not there to make it entertaining.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: RickBFA on January 08, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Chris Foy ruins a massive cup tie for the neutrals within 10 mins. gg.





Yep. Joke decision. The guy took the ball. Perhaps we should just make football a non contact sport and have done with it.

Man Utd had a blantant penalty in second half too that he didn't give.

Foy is an embarassment.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 08, 2012, 03:17:35 PM
Good game in the end, thanks to the 2nd half.  Congrats Utd.  Fwiw as a neutral to these two sides I couldnt careless who won, just wanted to enjoy the match, which I did in the end.  Still a ridiculous straight red, imo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on January 08, 2012, 03:31:33 PM
Probably also in the (un)neutral camp and I thought the red was fine. Annoying it possibly spoilt some entertainment but the ref's not there to make it entertaining.

Really? It was about bad a decision as I've ever seen


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 08, 2012, 03:43:31 PM
Probably also in the (un)neutral camp and I thought the red was fine. Annoying it possibly spoilt some entertainment but the ref's not there to make it entertaining.

Really? It was about bad a decision as I've ever seen

Usually your job this, but I think i'll call bs on that

Poor decision maybe, but we've seen plenty worse


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on January 08, 2012, 03:50:27 PM
Probably also in the (un)neutral camp and I thought the red was fine. Annoying it possibly spoilt some entertainment but the ref's not there to make it entertaining.

Really? It was about bad a decision as I've ever seen
Really? It definitely wasn't the worst decision I've seen this week.
Goes in with both feet. Not really jumped in or studs up but he looked like he was covering whichever way Nani went. Meant nani was getting nailed whatever he did. He got the ball but I think it was wreckless. Can understand why Foy's given him a red there.
I think any challenge made with 2 feet that could have been made with one is always running the risk of being classed as excessive force.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 08, 2012, 05:44:00 PM
As a neutral i obv wanted man city.

standard

lol I was going to say - an awful lot of 'neutrals' don't seem in the slightest bit neutral.

If I'm a neutral in any game I want to see lots of goals and action - I'd have thought this game would fit the bill pretty well

As a neutral I want uncertaintly of outcome. Unfortunately after 10 minutes this was never possible.


[ ] very prescient of you

did you see uncertainty of outcome at half time in Istanbul? (A night when I cheered on Liverpool for probably the last time ever)

Ultimately I was correct.

Of course not. The point which you seem to have missed is that the ref wasn't brilliant today. Although just looking at it again I can see why he gave a red.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 08, 2012, 06:06:46 PM


l
The point which you seem to have missed is that the ref wasn't brilliant today. Although just looking at it again I can see why he gave a red.

[/quote]

I acknowledged as much in an earlier post, and up till now haven't mentioned the penalty we didn't get.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Solaris on January 08, 2012, 06:11:46 PM


I acknowledged as much in an earlier post, and up till now haven't mentioned the penalty we didn't get.

Which incident happened first?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on January 08, 2012, 07:55:44 PM
As a neutral i obv wanted man city.

standard
Still who ever changed the rules are idiots as how can you win the ball an not touch the other player an get sent off? Non contact sport for football ?

lol I was going to say - an awful lot of 'neutrals' don't seem in the slightest bit neutral.

If I'm a neutral in any game I want to see lots of goals and action - I'd have thought this game would fit the bill pretty well

As a neutral I want uncertaintly of outcome. Unfortunately after 10 minutes this was never possible.


[ ] very prescient of you

did you see uncertainty of outcome at half time in Istanbul? (A night when I cheered on Liverpool for probably the last time ever)

Ultimately I was correct.

Of course not. The point which you seem to have missed is that the ref wasn't brilliant today. Although just looking at it again I can see why he gave a red.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on January 08, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
It wasn't a red, was still a good game though.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on January 09, 2012, 12:08:32 AM
Since when is a head on 2 footed lunging tackle with feet off the ground not a red card?

I've just watched it, only reason people don't think it's red is because foy didn't insta blow his whistle

Good ref ing IMO


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Indestructable on January 09, 2012, 06:57:05 AM
Happened right in front of me at the match and fairly obvious it wasn't a Red (or even a foul) but ref missed an obvious penalty for United in the 2nd half so no complaints on the result from me. Great game and may help City in the long run getting knocked out, although a ban for Kompany is going to hurt.  :(


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 09, 2012, 08:22:06 AM
Nice of the FA to give us a bye to the 5th round as reward


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on February 11, 2012, 01:54:28 PM
Cmon!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 12, 2012, 08:40:01 PM
Pretty tired of the Suarez thing and the constant repetition of unfounded references to Evra being a 'known liar' with history for unfounded allegations of racism.

This comes from an article in The Guardian, but similar articles appeared elsewhere if you care to look.

But Evra never cited racism in the Chelsea case, contrary to what you may have read elsewhere. Liverpool's extraordinary statement referred to Evra having no credibility and used as an example his "prior unfounded accusations". Except it was Mike Phelan, United's assistant manager, and Richard Hartis, the goalkeeping coach, who purported to hear the word "immigrant" used at Stamford Bridge. The story that it was Evra has gathered so much momentum now that even the usually reliable Press Association presented it as fact. Liverpool, they said, were referring to "racism allegations Evra made against Chelsea groundsman Sam Bethell, which were not proven".

The truth is something completely different. Likewise, Evra kept his distance when two deaf United fans complained they had lip‑read Steve Finnan making a racist remark to him during a Liverpool-United game in 2006. The simple truth is that Evra has complained of being racially abused only once before, and that was the 1-1 draw at Anfield on 15 October.


Posted here, rather than there, because the Liverpool fans have much bigger things to worry about.

We have a title to win, we're second, playing below par. Finish the season playing as we should and who knows.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: amcgrath1uk on February 13, 2012, 12:27:49 AM
Wayne Rooney showing his class and intelligence on Twitter again tonight:

"@tomclevz23 @rioferdy5 zzzzzzzzzzz pga golf is on. Come on boys. Funny that 2 toures was there all the way and lost. Haha."

Very classy !


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on February 13, 2012, 12:53:53 AM
Wayne Rooney showing his class and intelligence on Twitter again tonight:

"@tomclevz23 @rioferdy5 zzzzzzzzzzz pga golf is on. Come on boys. Funny that 2 toures was there all the way and lost. Haha."

Very classy !


He's a chav. What do you expect? Is funny tho


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 13, 2012, 07:38:06 AM
Wayne Rooney showing his class and intelligence on Twitter again tonight:

"@tomclevz23 @rioferdy5 zzzzzzzzzzz pga golf is on. Come on boys. Funny that 2 toures was there all the way and lost. Haha."

Very classy !


He's a chav. What do you expect? Is funny tho

Take issue there George, he's no Chav.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on February 13, 2012, 06:11:17 PM
Wayne Rooney showing his class and intelligence on Twitter again tonight:

"@tomclevz23 @rioferdy5 zzzzzzzzzzz pga golf is on. Come on boys. Funny that 2 toures was there all the way and lost. Haha."

Very classy !


He's a chav. What do you expect? Is funny tho

Take issue there George, he's no Chav.

You are correct sir, he managed to find a level below a Chav.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 13, 2012, 08:04:04 PM
Pretty tired of the Suarez thing and the constant repetition of unfounded references to Evra being a 'known liar' with history for unfounded allegations of racism.

This comes from an article in The Guardian, but similar articles appeared elsewhere if you care to look.

But Evra never cited racism in the Chelsea case, contrary to what you may have read elsewhere. Liverpool's extraordinary statement referred to Evra having no credibility and used as an example his "prior unfounded accusations". Except it was Mike Phelan, United's assistant manager, and Richard Hartis, the goalkeeping coach, who purported to hear the word "immigrant" used at Stamford Bridge. The story that it was Evra has gathered so much momentum now that even the usually reliable Press Association presented it as fact. Liverpool, they said, were referring to "racism allegations Evra made against Chelsea groundsman Sam Bethell, which were not proven".

The truth is something completely different. Likewise, Evra kept his distance when two deaf United fans complained they had lip‑read Steve Finnan making a racist remark to him during a Liverpool-United game in 2006. The simple truth is that Evra has complained of being racially abused only once before, and that was the 1-1 draw at Anfield on 15 October.


Posted here, rather than there, because the Liverpool fans have much bigger things to worry about.

We have a title to win, we're second, playing below par. Finish the season playing as we should and who knows.

Evra gave evidence in Phelan's favour which the FA called exaggerated and unreliable, even though he was closer to the apparent "racist" than Phelan. So he lied.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 13, 2012, 08:18:19 PM
Tbf to Evra one FA report means nothing to me. I can't hammer them for the Suarez verdict then say their "opinion" on Evra is correct. But this isn't the only incident where he's lied or not been honest. Even the day he was "racially abused" he ran around after the red for ten mins saying he'd won the toss claiming to have picked yellow instead of blue.

One player getting stick today unfairly IMO is Rio Ferdinand. He's fought against racism his whole career and his non handshake was him sticking to his beliefs. I actually think he carried himself very well.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 13, 2012, 08:40:51 PM
evra is french

there fore he is a nob


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 13, 2012, 08:53:14 PM
Tbf to Evra one FA report means nothing to me. I can't hammer them for the Suarez verdict then say their "opinion" on Evra is correct. But this isn't the only incident where he's lied or not been honest. Even the day he was "racially abused" he ran around after the red for ten mins saying he'd won the toss claiming to have picked yellow instead of blue.

One player getting stick today unfairly IMO is Rio Ferdinand. He's fought against racism his whole career and his non handshake was him sticking to his beliefs. I actually think he carried himself very well.

Links to other incidents where he lied? This bit about the toss for instance, is it in the same vein as the Kuyt allegations from the day?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 13, 2012, 10:24:21 PM
Tbf to Evra one FA report means nothing to me. I can't hammer them for the Suarez verdict then say their "opinion" on Evra is correct. But this isn't the only incident where he's lied or not been honest. Even the day he was "racially abused" he ran around after the red for ten mins saying he'd won the toss claiming to have picked yellow instead of blue.

One player getting stick today unfairly IMO is Rio Ferdinand. He's fought against racism his whole career and his non handshake was him sticking to his beliefs. I actually think he carried himself very well.

Links to other incidents where he lied? This bit about the toss for instance, is it in the same vein as the Kuyt allegations from the day?

Errr no it's from the ref's report, included in the FA's transcript you obviously read. Sigh.

Try doing your own research maybe?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 17, 2012, 01:04:43 PM
Tbf to Evra one FA report means nothing to me. I can't hammer them for the Suarez verdict then say their "opinion" on Evra is correct. But this isn't the only incident where he's lied or not been honest. Even the day he was "racially abused" he ran around after the red for ten mins saying he'd won the toss claiming to have picked yellow instead of blue.

One player getting stick today unfairly IMO is Rio Ferdinand. He's fought against racism his whole career and his non handshake was him sticking to his beliefs. I actually think he carried himself very well.

Links to other incidents where he lied? This bit about the toss for instance, is it in the same vein as the Kuyt allegations from the day?

Errr no it's from the ref's report, included in the FA's transcript you obviously read. Sigh.

Try doing your own research maybe?

Err 'ran around after the ref for 10 minutes'? Para 329 is the only reference to the coin toss issue and makes no mention of it going on beyond the initial comment/complaint.

No evidence about the previous incidents where 'he's lied or not been honest' then?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 18, 2012, 09:45:53 AM
Plenty. Most of which has already been mentioned so won't be hard to find.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 18, 2012, 10:12:27 AM
Plenty. Most of which has already been mentioned so won't be hard to find.

Ahh you mean all the vague allegations and half-truths that have been exposed elsewhere.

Thought you'd come up with something fresh.

Should've known better


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 18, 2012, 02:14:48 PM
Plenty. Most of which has already been mentioned so won't be hard to find.

Ahh you mean all the vague allegations and half-truths that have been exposed elsewhere.

Thought you'd come up with something fresh.

Should've known better

How are they vague allegations and half truths? Still not reading up on things you're arguing about?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 18, 2012, 05:32:22 PM
Cba to go back through the 'everbody's against us' thread, but pretty sure that every allegation against Evra in there was covered and shown to be guff, or exaggeration.

If you have specifics that you're sure of post them

[  ] I'll then waste a few more posts saying they've been dealt with and the answers shouldn't be hard to find




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 05, 2012, 03:23:57 PM
So, the worst Manchester United team in living memory fields players aged from 19 to 99, allows Tottenham to harrass them from fron to back for 44 minutes and then score somewhat against the run of play.
Victory never in doubt really after that.

We've struggled in recent years against teams who can find the energy and commitment to get in our faces all over the pitch. 'Arry knew this and had his players well up for it. Press the back line; press in midfield; get bodies around and behind the ball in your own half and we've had problems.
Yesterday we dealt with them better than for ages.
Encouraging signs as we enter the final quarter of the season.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on March 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
In fairness you ran into a depleted Spurs team.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 05, 2012, 08:18:26 PM
In fairness you ran into a depleted Spurs team.

Fair point. Bale, and Parker, missing makes a big difference to them.
We have a few on the injured list too though


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on March 05, 2012, 09:37:02 PM
Certainly not giving up, title could hinge on the Manchester derby.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 06, 2012, 07:49:44 AM
Certainly not giving up, title could hinge on the Manchester derby.

Fk I hope not... ;scarymoment;




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on March 06, 2012, 09:15:00 AM
Certainly not giving up, title could hinge on the Manchester derby.

Fk I hope not... ;scarymoment;



Why would you have a blue settee in your house if you are a utd fan? Just asking :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 06, 2012, 01:01:05 PM
Certainly not giving up, title could hinge on the Manchester derby.

Fk I hope not... ;scarymoment;



Why would you have a blue settee in your house if you are a utd fan? Just asking :)

Remember this?

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/226/582/1968EuropeanCupFinalShirt_display_image.jpg?1273928635)



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on March 06, 2012, 01:33:13 PM
Lol. Ok. Do you have green and yellow cushions and do you remember then days :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 06, 2012, 04:30:33 PM
Lol. Ok. Do you have green and yellow cushions and do you remember then days :)

Of course.

Come on you Newton Heath !!
(http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&q=newton+heath&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&biw=1024&bih=690&sei=FjtWT9-6IKiw0QXeisHUCQ)



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on March 08, 2012, 09:49:17 PM
United look pretty shoddy in Europe. Just shows what you can get away against the dross in the premiership you can't against the technical teams in Europe


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on March 08, 2012, 09:51:15 PM
Premiership really has been shown to be second rate this year as we have discussed previously

This is one of the worst, if not the worst, United teams in 25 years and yet they still might win the domnestic league


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on March 08, 2012, 09:55:10 PM
Premiership really has been shown to be second rate this year as we have discussed previously

This is one of the worst, if not the worst, United teams in 25 years and yet they still might win the domnestic league

They are incredibly lucky to still be in the title race.

Without thinking deeply I can remember 5 matches they should have failed to win and somehow snatched all 3 points.

They simply are not in City's class.

They will get marmalised at the Etihad.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on March 08, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
Premiership really has been shown to be second rate this year as we have discussed previously

This is one of the worst, if not the worst, United teams in 25 years and yet they still might win the domnestic league

They are incredibly lucky to still be in the title race.

Without thinking deeply I can remember 5 matches they should have failed to win and somehow snatched all 3 points.

They simply are not in City's class.

They will get marmalised at the Etihad.


Agree. The issue the league has is that all the top teams are in decline/stagnant (I'd give you Spurs) , and no one is going to compete wirth City on a 3-5 year view


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on March 08, 2012, 09:58:52 PM
Premiership really has been shown to be second rate this year as we have discussed previously

This is one of the worst, if not the worst, United teams in 25 years and yet they still might win the domnestic league

They are incredibly lucky to still be in the title race.

Without thinking deeply I can remember 5 matches they should have failed to win and somehow snatched all 3 points.

They simply are not in City's class.

They will get marmalised at the Etihad.

Play like we just did and your definitely not wrong. Third Athletic goal Rafael has no excuses pretty sure he had 5+ yards on the goalscorer.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on March 08, 2012, 09:59:33 PM
Premiership really has been shown to be second rate this year as we have discussed previously

This is one of the worst, if not the worst, United teams in 25 years and yet they still might win the domnestic league

They are incredibly lucky to still be in the title race.

Without thinking deeply I can remember 5 matches they should have failed to win and somehow snatched all 3 points.

They simply are not in City's class.

They will get marmalised at the Etihad.


Agree. The issue the league has is that all the top teams are in decline/stagnant (I'd give you Spurs) , and no one is going to compete wirth City on a 3-5 year view

U see I don't think City are as good as everyone else thinks they are either. They are better than United but to say they're a class apart is a bit exaggerated. I am biased tho :D


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: craigbetts on March 08, 2012, 10:02:22 PM
Any credit to Bilbao? They turned up and did not roll over like the majority of teams do at OldTrafford.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on March 08, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
Any credit to Bilbao? They turned up and did not roll over like the majority of teams do at OldTrafford.

Played superbly, great to watch. That pass for the second goal. wow.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on March 08, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Any credit to Bilbao? They turned up and did not roll over like the majority of teams do at OldTrafford.

Yeh obviously they were good. Played very good footie


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: anthonyl on March 08, 2012, 10:03:48 PM
Premiership really has been shown to be second rate this year as we have discussed previously

This is one of the worst, if not the worst, United teams in 25 years and yet they still might win the domnestic league

They are incredibly lucky to still be in the title race.

Without thinking deeply I can remember 5 matches they should have failed to win and somehow snatched all 3 points.

They simply are not in City's class.

They will get marmalised at the Etihad.

Man City have got lucky a lot this season too. Both teams got lucky V spurs in the games this year for example.

Hope Tevez scores the goal V Utd to give Man City the title though!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on March 08, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Premiership really has been shown to be second rate this year as we have discussed previously

This is one of the worst, if not the worst, United teams in 25 years and yet they still might win the domnestic league

They are incredibly lucky to still be in the title race.

Without thinking deeply I can remember 5 matches they should have failed to win and somehow snatched all 3 points.

They simply are not in City's class.

They will get marmalised at the Etihad.


Agree. The issue the league has is that all the top teams are in decline/stagnant (I'd give you Spurs) , and no one is going to compete wirth City on a 3-5 year view

U see I don't think City are as good as everyone else thinks they are either. They are better than United but to say they're a class apart is a bit exaggerated. I am biased tho :D

City have, imo, the best 3 players in the Premiership.

How many Utd players could get in the city team? Rooney, probably. Young at an absolute stretch.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on March 08, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
Aguero, Silva, Hart?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on March 08, 2012, 10:12:32 PM
Aguero, Silva, Hart?

Yaya Toure instead of Aguero


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on March 08, 2012, 10:14:59 PM
Man City have also been terrible in Europe this season. Thought Bilbao where excellent.

Rofls at neither of the CH5 commentators knowing the offside rule, really ?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on March 08, 2012, 10:15:36 PM
Aguero, Silva, Hart?

Yaya Toure instead of Aguero

so they have the 4 best players in Prem :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on March 08, 2012, 10:32:13 PM
Aguero, Silva, Hart?

Yaya Toure instead of Aguero

so they have the 4 best players in Prem :)

Could be argued that Richards and Kompany round out the top 6 players in the Prem!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 08, 2012, 10:35:01 PM
Prem best 11 isn't that good IMO

Still will lose to barcelona


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on March 08, 2012, 10:36:56 PM
Prem best 11 isn't that good IMO

Still will lose to barcelona

World best XI would lose to Barcelona obv


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ironside on March 09, 2012, 12:19:15 AM
Prem best 11 isn't that good IMO

Still will lose to barcelona

World best XI would lose to Barcelona obv
not if darren mackie was playing


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 11, 2012, 01:36:23 PM
seems we may be holding onto Pogba after all. Good news if he's really signed a contract.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 11, 2012, 03:41:10 PM
wiiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on March 11, 2012, 03:55:26 PM
squeeky bumtime indeed :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 15, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
Get out united!! Great goal from llorente


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 16, 2012, 06:37:41 AM
Get out united!! Great goal from llorente

Read the BBC and someone compared it to van basten's classic.

Saw it. Not in same league.

We've been poor in Europe this season. Found out basically.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 16, 2012, 12:11:03 PM
Get out united!! Great goal from llorente

Read the BBC and someone compared it to van basten's classic.

Saw it. Not in same league.

We've been poor in Europe this season. Found out basically.
It was a very good goal but no way can it be compared to van basten's goal classic!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 16, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Get out united!! Great goal from llorente

Read the BBC and someone compared it to van basten's classic.

Saw it. Not in same league.

We've been poor in Europe this season. Found out basically.
It was a very good goal but no way can it be compared to van basten's goal classic!

You celebrated it as though you were a Bilbaoan, although I'm guessing you're not..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 16, 2012, 12:26:55 PM
Get out united!! Great goal from llorente

Read the BBC and someone compared it to van basten's classic.

Saw it. Not in same league.

We've been poor in Europe this season. Found out basically.
It was a very good goal but no way can it be compared to van basten's goal classic!

You celebrated it as though you were a Bilbaoan, although I'm guessing you're not..

I was last night, on offence but I hate united with a passion


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 16, 2012, 12:38:52 PM
Get out united!! Great goal from llorente

Read the BBC and someone compared it to van basten's classic.

Saw it. Not in same league.

We've been poor in Europe this season. Found out basically.
It was a very good goal but no way can it be compared to van basten's goal classic!

You celebrated it as though you were a Bilbaoan, although I'm guessing you're not..

I was last night, on offence but I hate united with a passion

Sad

I don't even hate Manchester City or Liverpool with a passion. I wouldn't have been disappointed to see Chelsea go out of the CL, but nor would I have celebrated it if it had happened. (it will when they come up against Barca or Milan, assuming they get past Benfica)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 16, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
But do you hate arsenal with a passion?? :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 16, 2012, 02:22:18 PM
But do you hate arsenal with a passion?? :)

Who?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 16, 2012, 03:34:43 PM
But do you hate arsenal with a passion?? :)

Who?

I'm sure they have the best outright center forward in the world, I might be a little bias tho


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 18, 2012, 02:50:41 PM
This could be 9!

Need to maximise to get that gd back in order


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 18, 2012, 03:00:12 PM
This could be 9!

Need to maximise to get that gd back in order
How bad are wolves playing its unreal, I know they have 10 men but this performance is ridic


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on March 18, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
The gd could get wiped out here.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 18, 2012, 03:09:24 PM
 I want to see at least one more from united


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 24, 2012, 08:15:30 PM
Gotta hate the fact that city are getting all these last minute rescues! 97th minute today!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 24, 2012, 08:20:02 PM
Gotta hate the fact that city are getting all these last minute rescues! 97th minute today!

Errr?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 24, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
Gotta hate the fact that city are getting all these last minute rescues! 97th minute today!

Errr?

roffle

where is that laser eye surgery thread


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on March 24, 2012, 09:49:23 PM
Congrats on the title. Personnel don't look as good as previous years and still think a class CM is lacking so make it's more impressive (and a little irritating)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 24, 2012, 09:58:13 PM
Modric will be a united player next season, class CM!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on March 24, 2012, 10:03:24 PM
love how city have bottled it big style...




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 24, 2012, 10:23:50 PM
love how city have bottled it big style...




easy tiger, long way to go yet


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 30, 2012, 01:02:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17562222

that works


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Rivertony on March 30, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17562222

that works

City can't score ATM either and now their best striker is out lol united have one hand on the cup!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 31, 2012, 03:51:14 PM
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/116318/1/watch-manchester-city-vs-sunderland.html

man u reserves doing a job here

gonna be a good 2nd half


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 31, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
 ;karabiner; ;sexybanana; ;sexybanana; ;karabiner; :dd: :dd:
 ;sexybanana; ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;mexicanwave;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 31, 2012, 04:38:55 PM
(http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo151/outragous76/choke.png)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on March 31, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
knew i shouldnt have posted that!

sigh


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on March 31, 2012, 06:24:39 PM
love how city have bottled it big style...





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on March 31, 2012, 06:29:11 PM
Let's not celebrate too early

City got one point v Sunderland, let's see if we can do better v Blackburn... Remember the home game?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 01, 2012, 01:31:54 PM
Hi Guys   

Looking for some help /advice

My son has always wanted to visit Old Trafford and watch a good game rather than the standard Sheffield Wednesday games I take him to .

I was thinking about taking him & 3 friends to the QPR game next Sunday but after ringing the tickect office I was told that everybody has to become members  first @£20 adults  + 4 x juniors at £14 which I think is ridiculous , I explained I only wanted that match but  they insisted , so basically Im wanting to know if there is anybody that can get me 1 adult and 4 kid tickets without the charges or another solution.

Thanks in Advance

Fraser


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on April 01, 2012, 01:34:17 PM
Hi Guys   

Looking for some help /advice

My son has always wanted to visit Old Trafford and watch a good game rather than the standard Sheffield Wednesday games I take him to .

I was thinking about taking him & 3 friends to the QPR game next Sunday but after ringing the tickect office I was told that everybody has to become members  first @£20 adults  + 4 x juniors at £14 which I think is ridiculous , I explained I only wanted that match but  they insisted , so basically Im wanting to know if there is anybody that can get me 1 adult and 4 kid tickets without the charges or another solution.

Thanks in Advance

Fraser

Put your foot down, he's Wednesday and until you draw them in the cup he has to wait. Or bring him to Roland road :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 01, 2012, 01:35:38 PM
Hi Guys   

Looking for some help /advice

My son has always wanted to visit Old Trafford and watch a good game rather than the standard Sheffield Wednesday games I take him to .

I was thinking about taking him & 3 friends to the QPR game next Sunday but after ringing the tickect office I was told that everybody has to become members  first @£20 adults  + 4 x juniors at £14 which I think is ridiculous , I explained I only wanted that match but  they insisted , so basically Im wanting to know if there is anybody that can get me 1 adult and 4 kid tickets without the charges or another solution.

Thanks in Advance

Fraser

Put your foot down, he's Wednesday and until you draw them in the cup he has to wait. Or bring him to Roland road :)

Hehe  :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 01, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
Hi Fraser.

Yeah the membership thing is a pain for 1 offs. You should be able to pick up tickets thou, your problem will be getting 4 together last minute. Not sure how old the kids are but 2 lots of 2 will be more likely. I gave up my membership this year so can't help directly for tickets I'm afraid

Hope you get sorted


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 01, 2012, 01:39:35 PM
Hi Fraser.

Yeah the membership thing is a pain for 1 offs. You should be able to pick up tickets thou, your problem will be getting 4 together last minute. Not sure how old the kids are but 2 lots of 2 will be more likely. I gave up my membership this year so can't help directly for tickets I'm afraid

Hope you get sorted

Cheers Guy...I was hoping the demand would be lower with it been QPR hence more spaces together


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 01, 2012, 01:41:59 PM
When is the game? Give the ticket office a call and ask when they go on open sale. You won't need to be a member then


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Dewi_cool on April 01, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
According to the website there are no tickets available at this moment, only an option to reg interest if some become available.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 01, 2012, 01:44:42 PM
Next Sunday..she said no open sales for the rest of the season when I rang the ticket office( in the last hour )


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Dewi_cool on April 01, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
I purchase my tickets online having paid the £25 fee, but there is no option to purchase it's too late, you really need to order a month in advance.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 01, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
Fraser, I'd plan for next season in that case. Midweek European tickets early on are always good for getting tickets


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 02, 2012, 09:59:10 PM
:)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 02, 2012, 09:59:40 PM
:)
:) :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
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Title: Re: Manchester United FC
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Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 02, 2012, 10:48:48 PM
hope man u buy balotelli

under fergies guidance he should be awesome.

i


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on April 03, 2012, 12:20:47 AM
hope man u buy balotelli

under fergies guidance he should be awesome.

i
Or put all his team mates on the physio's table :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on April 03, 2012, 12:36:37 AM
who you going to sign next year? Centre mid?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 03, 2012, 01:14:11 AM
who you going to sign next year? Centre mid?

I'd say 2 centre mids are probs a must. Although Scholes has been immense since his return. Was pretty sceptical but he has been the key for us.

Also would like to see Man U buy another striker. Don't think Welbeck is good enough.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 03, 2012, 01:36:32 AM
Schneider FTW.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on April 03, 2012, 01:43:26 AM
managers love players like welbeck, he iis an abs handful and is more than happy to go 'in behind' would be v.surprised if he left.

Berbatov, macheda to leave i assume.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 04, 2012, 08:32:56 AM
Welbeck is class. Just buy Gylfi


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 06, 2012, 12:37:21 PM
So - a win at home on Sunday, and North London's Maestroes getting a win at home as well and we're eight points clear.

Maybe April 30th won't turn out to be the title decider that Sky would dearly love it to be...


However... many a slip 'twixt cup and lip as they say - QPR may just bite us.  SAF could be tempted to rest a few with a trip to a revitalised Wigan coing up on Wednesday.

7/1 available for the draw and 16/1 the win but that doesn't look like 'value' given that Blackburn were far longer odds and in a similar run of form on New Year's Eve.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 08, 2012, 05:51:16 PM
<3 arsenal - just for today!



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 08, 2012, 10:37:04 PM
This isn't meant as an insult but Chelsea/Arsenal/Man City all contributed to their own downfalls. I can't remember too many 'great' Man U performances but what they've done better (perhaps more so than any other season) is 'just enough'. So many games where Man U squeezed out results and when we played you in January and it looked (and I would say still looks) as though you have no midfield and are miles off the pace in European terms but the mentality has never wavered and is what got you through.

I guess what I'm saying is that all the title contenders have gone backwards this year (with the exception of City, who've moved forward obviously, but still with numerous and fatal flaws) so it's a case of Man U as being the best of a bad lot (in relative terms - it's a very weak Premiership this year imo).

I hope no-one takes that as a dig, but when you compare the top teams to Barca etc...no-one looks good enough. But congrats and everything, coming back from that 6-1 defeat to City and the big points deficit obvious means you deserve it. You definitely need new central midfielder(s) and a striker though, maybe even a new central defender to go with Vidic.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 08, 2012, 10:51:17 PM
Chris. Agree. We are a one man team

SAF take a bow Sir


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on April 08, 2012, 11:40:06 PM
 
Chris. Agree. We are a one man team

SAF take a bow Sir
;applause;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: amcgrath1uk on April 08, 2012, 11:51:23 PM
Chris. Agree. We are a one man team

SAF take a bow Sir

The referee? ;)

I must be honest, I can't quite believe just how many games you lot have managed to win since xmas. Title well n truly deserved.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 08, 2012, 11:59:37 PM
It really does just show how unreal Fergie is, this is by far his greatest achievement for me. If he was City manager they'd have pissed the league this season ainec. I really am not a fan of Mancini and have said so many times before, his tactics are terrible in so many games. I'm not even sure they went for the win today, I really think they didn't but that just seems absurd. At no point in the 2nd half did he show any real intention of going for the win, just joke bad.

City lost the title not Man U won it, congrats and everything but City have really fucked it up.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AndrewT on April 09, 2012, 12:08:17 AM
Overall a pretty poor Premiership offering this year. The Champions League has shown up how good the English clubs are.

 Well done Man U - your 13 men were just too good for our 10 today.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on April 09, 2012, 03:01:42 AM
This isn't meant as an insult but Chelsea/Arsenal/Man City all contributed to their own downfalls. I can't remember too many 'great' Man U performances but what they've done better (perhaps more so than any other season) is 'just enough'. So many games where Man U squeezed out results and when we played you in January and it looked (and I would say still looks) as though you have no midfield and are miles off the pace in European terms but the mentality has never wavered and is what got you through.

I guess what I'm saying is that all the title contenders have gone backwards this year (with the exception of City, who've moved forward obviously, but still with numerous and fatal flaws) so it's a case of Man U as being the best of a bad lot (in relative terms - it's a very weak Premiership this year imo).

I hope no-one takes that as a dig, but when you compare the top teams to Barca etc...no-one looks good enough. But congrats and everything, coming back from that 6-1 defeat to City and the big points deficit obvious means you deserve it. You definitely need new central midfielder(s) and a striker though, maybe even a new central defender to go with Vidic.

Love this thread, but then again I would. Quick point, you seem to forget what we did to Arsenal, ok it's a while back, and kinda overshadowed by what the bitters did to us a while later but hey, don't forget it please.

I'll add now that i haven't been to Old Trafford since the glaziers too over and started asset stripping our club in a very sneaky way. So to get my fix of live football, it's off to gigg lane and the wonderful team that is FC United Of Manchester. I'll always be a United fan, just not giving my money to the glaziers, never. I miss Old trafford, but won't go back for that reason alone, not till the robbing yanks are gone (however that might happen). The glaziers are the reason we are not up there with Barca and Madrid, we've spent less money than the majority of premier league clubs over the last few years, why because they've robbed us of more money than the bitters have spent on players. The premier league has suffered as a whole too, but that's a long and twisting argument, that has no clear answer, and I'm not going to go into all the ins and outs of it.

What has shone through is Sir Alex, the backbone he rebuilt after we got rid of that piss head Atkinson and his squads love a beer or two, or ten. The team spirit, the never give up attitude, and the seemingly endless flow of new talent coming through. Of course this has been a MUFC trait since before I was born, and with players like Ole and Scholes moving into the reserve and youth team set ups it's a reason the club have survived and continued to florish in such tough conditions (in comparison to other top clubs around Europe with the spending power).

We've not won number 20 yet, and I'll never do a Keegan and start celebrating too soon. Facebook today has pissed me off, so  any plastic reds jumping about like we've won it, great day for the red side of Manchester, not lighting the victory blunt just yet.

To those that said Citeh lost it, they didn't lose it, they've got 15 more points than they had at this time last year, they've just shown they're not good enough to win it, and hopefully that won't change in the next six games. We never do it the easy way, and knowing that I'll not be celebrating till it's in the bag, but will say we've done everything right so far since xmas and that is why we are winning, not so much that citeh have fuct it up, you cant win the premier league in December, April maybe. :-)

On all the poker forums I've been on this is the first I've seen a decent football thread on MUFC, haven't got the time to read it all, but read some comments that are clearly from true football fans. blonde delivers. Top thread.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 09, 2012, 03:09:11 AM
I said about City losing it not Man U winning which is a little unfair since you've only dropped 2 points since we beat you in January, again congrats and wp. It was Citys to lose though and there form has been terrible for a while. If Mourinho goes to City next year they win the title for certain.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on April 09, 2012, 04:50:50 AM
de gea, fabio,rafael, evans, ferdinand, evra, giggs, scholes, carrick, nani to an extent,  barry, milner, kolo toure, ballotelli, aguero, tevez, berbatov, welbeck.

All of the above and im sure there is more are players who i either 1/ wouldnt be frightened about and think we could handle or 2/players that are vunerable and that we could exploit.

If you look at the arsenal team who were undefeated, the chelsea team who ruled for years, the  man united team of the 90s, you would really sturggle to name even a handful that could be compared to the above.

There are so many different sides from premiership history who would have won the league this year.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 09, 2012, 07:56:48 AM


This poor Manchester United team have the very real chance of setting a new points record for the Premier League.

I don't see what point is being made here - but I do know that a Newcastle fan should understand that the whole being greater than the sum of the parts is what lifts a team above the pack.

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de gea, fabio,rafael, evans, ferdinand, evra, giggs, scholes, carrick, nani to an extent,  barry, milner, kolo toure, ballotelli, aguero, tevez, berbatov, welbeck.

All of the above and im sure there is more are players who i either 1/ wouldnt be frightened about and think we could handle or 2/players that are vunerable and that we could exploit.

If you look at the arsenal team who were undefeated, the chelsea team who ruled for years, the  man united team of the 90s, you would really sturggle to name even a handful that could be compared to the above.

There are so many different sides from premiership history who would have won the league this year.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 09, 2012, 09:14:29 AM
Record points tally is a measure of the league strength as well as the strength of the team.
You can only win the league you are in, city losing it or a poor man u team doesn't really matter. So congrats.

Still some title races hotting up - Championship (west ham have tough game and top 2 meet later this week) - La Liga (real 10 point lead cut to 4 with a classico still to play) so plenty of other football to get excited about.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 09, 2012, 09:58:28 AM
de gea, fabio,rafael, evans, ferdinand, evra, giggs, scholes, carrick, nani to an extent,  barry, milner, kolo toure, ballotelli, aguero, tevez, berbatov, welbeck.

All of the above and im sure there is more are players who i either 1/ wouldnt be frightened about and think we could handle or 2/players that are vunerable and that we could exploit.

If you look at the arsenal team who were undefeated, the chelsea team who ruled for years, the  man united team of the 90s, you would really sturggle to name even a handful that could be compared to the above.

There are so many different sides from premiership history who would have won the league this year.

PS - "the chelsea team who ruled for years"?? really?

Like Blackburn before them, and City after them, the influx of megacash at Chelsea created an illusion and a fleeting period of success. Say what you like about Manchester United, but our success hasn't been bought by external money. Quite the contrary in recent years with the Glazers taking money out of the club.

PPS - "There are so many different sides from premiership history who would have won the league this year." True.
Most of them were Manchester United sides too though.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on April 09, 2012, 10:12:58 AM
de gea, fabio,rafael, evans, ferdinand, evra, giggs, scholes, carrick, nani to an extent,  barry, milner, kolo toure, ballotelli, aguero, tevez, berbatov, welbeck.

All of the above and im sure there is more are players who i either 1/ wouldnt be frightened about and think we could handle or 2/players that are vunerable and that we could exploit.

If you look at the arsenal team who were undefeated, the chelsea team who ruled for years, the  man united team of the 90s, you would really sturggle to name even a handful that could be compared to the above.

There are so many different sides from premiership history who would have won the league this year.

Chelsea team that ruled for years, wtf, when was this? lol.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on April 09, 2012, 10:14:41 AM
de gea, fabio,rafael, evans, ferdinand, evra, giggs, scholes, carrick, nani to an extent,  barry, milner, kolo toure, ballotelli, aguero, tevez, berbatov, welbeck.

All of the above and im sure there is more are players who i either 1/ wouldnt be frightened about and think we could handle or 2/players that are vunerable and that we could exploit.

If you look at the arsenal team who were undefeated, the chelsea team who ruled for years, the  man united team of the 90s, you would really sturggle to name even a handful that could be compared to the above.

There are so many different sides from premiership history who would have won the league this year.



PS - "the chelsea team who ruled for years"?? really?

Like Blackburn before them, and City after them, the influx of megacash at Chelsea created an illusion and a fleeting period of success. Say what you like about Manchester United, but our success hasn't been bought by external money. Quite the contrary in recent years with the Glazers taking money out of the club.

PPS - "There are so many different sides from premiership history who would have won the league this year." True.
Most of them were Manchester United sides too though.

Well said.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 09, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
This isn't meant as an insult but Chelsea/Arsenal/Man City all contributed to their own downfalls. I can't remember too many 'great' Man U performances but what they've done better (perhaps more so than any other season) is 'just enough'. So many games where Man U squeezed out results and when we played you in January and it looked (and I would say still looks) as though you have no midfield and are miles off the pace in European terms but the mentality has never wavered and is what got you through.

I guess what I'm saying is that all the title contenders have gone backwards this year (with the exception of City, who've moved forward obviously, but still with numerous and fatal flaws) so it's a case of Man U as being the best of a bad lot (in relative terms - it's a very weak Premiership this year imo).

I hope no-one takes that as a dig, but when you compare the top teams to Barca etc...no-one looks good enough. But congrats and everything, coming back from that 6-1 defeat to City and the big points deficit obvious means you deserve it. You definitely need new central midfielder(s) and a striker though, maybe even a new central defender to go with Vidic.

Love this thread, but then again I would. Quick point, you seem to forget what we did to Arsenal, ok it's a while back, and kinda overshadowed by what the bitters did to us a while later but hey, don't forget it please.

I'll add now that i haven't been to Old Trafford since the glaziers too over and started asset stripping our club in a very sneaky way. So to get my fix of live football, it's off to gigg lane and the wonderful team that is FC United Of Manchester. I'll always be a United fan, just not giving my money to the glaziers, never. I miss Old trafford, but won't go back for that reason alone, not till the robbing yanks are gone (however that might happen). The glaziers are the reason we are not up there with Barca and Madrid, we've spent less money than the majority of premier league clubs over the last few years, why because they've robbed us of more money than the bitters have spent on players. The premier league has suffered as a whole too, but that's a long and twisting argument, that has no clear answer, and I'm not going to go into all the ins and outs of it.

What has shone through is Sir Alex, the backbone he rebuilt after we got rid of that piss head Atkinson and his squads love a beer or two, or ten. The team spirit, the never give up attitude, and the seemingly endless flow of new talent coming through. Of course this has been a MUFC trait since before I was born, and with players like Ole and Scholes moving into the reserve and youth team set ups it's a reason the club have survived and continued to florish in such tough conditions (in comparison to other top clubs around Europe with the spending power).

We've not won number 20 yet, and I'll never do a Keegan and start celebrating too soon. Facebook today has pissed me off, so  any plastic reds jumping about like we've won it, great day for the red side of Manchester, not lighting the victory blunt just yet.

To those that said Citeh lost it, they didn't lose it, they've got 15 more points than they had at this time last year, they've just shown they're not good enough to win it, and hopefully that won't change in the next six games. We never do it the easy way, and knowing that I'll not be celebrating till it's in the bag, but will say we've done everything right so far since xmas and that is why we are winning, not so much that citeh have fuct it up, you cant win the premier league in December, April maybe. :-)

On all the poker forums I've been on this is the first I've seen a decent football thread on MUFC, haven't got the time to read it all, but read some comments that are clearly from true football fans. blonde delivers. Top thread.

Great post. Post more please.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on April 09, 2012, 01:41:43 PM
the comments about man u not spending money is such  a myth?

Almost everyone in your team cost ovr 10m and alot of players over 20m. When was the last time you sold a player for over 10m? Last time you sold a player over 20m? Also probably have top 3 wage budget in the league.

Give pards 10x your net spend and im sure the gap woyld be alotttttttt closer.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on April 09, 2012, 01:52:22 PM
the comments about man u not spending money is such  a myth?

Almost everyone in your team cost ovr 10m and alot of players over 20m. When was the last time you sold a player for over 10m? Last time you sold a player over 20m? Also probably have top 3 wage budget in the league.

Give pards 10x your net spend and im sure the gap woyld be alotttttttt closer.

found this http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html (http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html)

net transfer spend would put Manchester Utd 8th
but even gross spend would put them in 5th

Obviously it shows they have money available (ldo) I think the case is more that they can make good use of their resources, as opposed to some others who have just tried to solve a problem by spending more.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 09, 2012, 02:58:01 PM
the comments about man u not spending money is such  a myth?

Almost everyone in your team cost ovr 10m and alot of players over 20m. When was the last time you sold a player for over 10m? Last time you sold a player over 20m? Also probably have top 3 wage budget in the league.

Give pards 10x your net spend and im sure the gap woyld be alotttttttt closer.

I've never said we don't spend money. But the money we spend is self-generated. Not funds from a rich owner.

Give pards 10x our net spend in one go?  That hasn't worked out well for Mancini has it? Nor the half dozen who followed the Special One at Chelsea.

Manchester United have built their way to their current position, just as Liverpool did back in the day.

Other teams have flirted with success, NUFC in the Keegan era for one but none have had the keystone that is SAF to get them through the next step.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on April 09, 2012, 03:19:25 PM
Manchester United, regrettably, are genuinely awesome. In terms of a narrow focus on the Prem League, they are peerless.

Team strength reduces, fk it, we'll win it anyway.

Other teams launching big coups, buying incred players, fk it, we'll bring back Scholes and win it again.

American owners in, mortgaging the future, don't understand the game, so fkn what, we'll win it again.

I hope Ferguson retires soon


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on April 09, 2012, 03:28:34 PM
Sometimes the hardest thing in the world is to cross over the winning line. It happens so much in all sports and it's the amazing achievent  by fergie that since they blew the league to Leeds in 91-92 they have always finished the season well an punished other teams dithering.  Fergie winning the league this season would be incredible really, city were flying and they have ground them down and made them twitch with fear. Playing mind games with fergie was the final notice that they really were up shut creek! Fergie has proved he is too shrewd to not have plan B or C if needed unlike Mancini or AVB. The way he has used the older players and used his squad this season without ever been great (arsenal game apart) is the thing that separates goods managers to great ones. If CIty hadn't exploded then I really believe man utd would have found even a higher gear, but they haven't and they will still piss the league. Much prefer a team like man utd this season to win the league than city who I me have blown up because of the managers blind faith in certain players and the lack of ability to change tactics when needed.

I mean how much shit did utd defence get at the start of the season? Now look at their record? Without vidic, it's been solid, evens and Ferdinand if they keep fit should see utd bring home the bacon with 2-3 games left to play.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 09, 2012, 03:29:44 PM
Lol pleno sums up fickle fans. Give pardew 500 mill. U still wouldn't win anything. 2 seasons of relative success does not mean ur gonna rule the world.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on April 09, 2012, 05:04:36 PM
Lol pleno sums up fickle fans. Give pardew 500 mill. U still wouldn't win anything. 2 seasons of relative success does not mean ur gonna rule the world.
You have to give credit to the team, Pardew and the toon army. Like Swansea and Stoke they have brightened up the premirship this season and despite wanting to see utd win every season i like the under dogs giving  Chelsea and Arsenal a run for their money.

I would like to see a return to former glory of Liverpool but what with King Kenny's management and the whole Suarez situation the are becoming a joke.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: booder on April 09, 2012, 05:07:51 PM
Lol pleno sums up fickle fans. Give pardew 500 mill. U still wouldn't win anything. 2 seasons of relative success does not mean ur gonna rule the world.
You have to give credit to the team, Pardew and the toon army. Like Swansea and Stoke  Norwich they have brightened up the premirship this season and despite wanting to see utd win every season i like the under dogs giving  Chelsea and Arsenal a run for their money.

I would like to see a return to former glory of Liverpool but what with King Kenny's management and the whole Suarez situation the are becoming a joke.

FYP


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on April 09, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
Lol pleno sums up fickle fans. Give pardew 500 mill. U still wouldn't win anything. 2 seasons of relative success does not mean ur gonna rule the world.
You have to give credit to the team, Pardew and the toon army. Like Swansea and Stoke  Norwich they have brightened up the premirship this season and despite wanting to see utd win every season i like the under dogs giving  Chelsea and Arsenal a run for their money.

I would like to see a return to former glory of Liverpool but what with King Kenny's management and the whole Suarez situation the are becoming a joke.

FYP
would you take Crouch back. Stoke more an underdog story than attractive football


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: booder on April 09, 2012, 05:26:28 PM
Lol pleno sums up fickle fans. Give pardew 500 mill. U still wouldn't win anything. 2 seasons of relative success does not mean ur gonna rule the world.
You have to give credit to the team, Pardew and the toon army. Like Swansea and Stoke  Norwich they have brightened up the premirship this season and despite wanting to see utd win every season i like the under dogs giving  Chelsea and Arsenal a run for their money.

I would like to see a return to former glory of Liverpool but what with King Kenny's management and the whole Suarez situation the are becoming a joke.

FYP
would you take Crouch back. Stoke more an underdog story than attractive football

No.            Stoke are Premiership regulars , don't think they can be classed as underdogs anymore.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 09, 2012, 05:45:18 PM
Pardew has done well. But he did great at West Ham the first 2-3 seasons......


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 09, 2012, 06:04:35 PM

6 November 1986  --  17 May 1990 the time it took to win anything. It was another three years before the first Premier League title. (Anyone remember who came seconf that season?)

What chance anyone getting that long nowadays?


Stability is so important. Player power doesn't feature at OT because all the players know that SAF is the power. But it takes time to develop that level of authoirty.

Chelsea have had Grant, Scolari, Hiddink, Ancelotti, AVB and DiMatteo since Mourinho left. Arsenal may not have won anything for a while, but they have been consistent and it feels more likely that they will challenge for the league next year than it does Chelsea or indeed Man City (who may well be under new management by then).



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 09, 2012, 06:20:22 PM
Don't think Fergie would get that time now. He joined before premier league era and before champions league got as big. So much money involved now that people don't want to risk what they have now (top 4 position for example) in favour of more long term success. There is no guarantee that the success comes long term so they hope a change sorts the problem short term.
I agree with what you say but I don't know how it changes unless it becomes a more level playing field or the money properly dries up.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 09, 2012, 06:23:14 PM
I thought Rooney player powered his way to a bumper pay rise?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on April 11, 2012, 01:29:16 AM
I thought Rooney player powered his way to a bumper pay rise?

As far as I know he didn't get all he wanted, could be wrong, but the MIB ensured he didn't leave, lol.

Player power does not exist at United, well not in comparison to some other clubs. Makes me think of something that's always slightly concerned me with SAF, and that's his seeming lack of tolerance for some, and not for others, wonder if he picks his favourites sometimes, players like Gillespie for example, we'll never really know just how far he pushed SAF before he was expelled.

It's come up again recently with Raval Morrison, an amazing talent, who clearly is a very messed up kid, but have we let some players go to easily, when a bit more patience could have turned them round. Giggs wasn't exactly the model teenager, and what came out later clearly showed he's far from perfect, but Fergie kept him. Ok I know Giggs is a legend, but players with immense raw talent like Morrison get shipped out to lesser clubs, where they seem to stop developing at the same rate they did at United. Maybe it's because they're not at the United, or more likely SAF knows best, and they were never going to be that great. Giggs brother played for FC United, he was shit, but what if you'd had him in the United set up, he#d surely be a much better player.

Not sure I'm really making that much sense, it's late and I should be sleeping, anyone have any other examples or thoughts about this? There are other examples, I'll get onto those when I've more time.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 11, 2012, 02:00:19 AM
I thought Rooney player powered his way to a bumper pay rise?

As far as I know he didn't get all he wanted, could be wrong, but the MIB ensured he didn't leave, lol.

Player power does not exist at United, well not in comparison to some other clubs. Makes me think of something that's always slightly concerned me with SAF, and that's his seeming lack of tolerance for some, and not for others, wonder if he picks his favourites sometimes, players like Gillespie for example, we'll never really know just how far he pushed SAF before he was expelled.

It's come up again recently with Raval Morrison, an amazing talent, who clearly is a very messed up kid, but have we let some players go to easily, when a bit more patience could have turned them round. Giggs wasn't exactly the model teenager, and what came out later clearly showed he's far from perfect, but Fergie kept him. Ok I know Giggs is a legend, but players with immense raw talent like Morrison get shipped out to lesser clubs, where they seem to stop developing at the same rate they did at United. Maybe it's because they're not at the United, or more likely SAF knows best, and they were never going to be that great. Giggs brother played for FC United, he was shit, but what if you'd had him in the United set up, he#d surely be a much better player.

Not sure I'm really making that much sense, it's late and I should be sleeping, anyone have any other examples or thoughts about this? There are other examples, I'll get onto those when I've more time.

Know what you mean but can't think of too many players who have left who have gone on to bigger and better things. Perhaps Forlan, Pique and Rossi (although not sure how he's doing atm)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on April 11, 2012, 03:00:03 AM
I thought Rooney player powered his way to a bumper pay rise?

As far as I know he didn't get all he wanted, could be wrong, but the MIB ensured he didn't leave, lol.

Player power does not exist at United, well not in comparison to some other clubs. Makes me think of something that's always slightly concerned me with SAF, and that's his seeming lack of tolerance for some, and not for others, wonder if he picks his favourites sometimes, players like Gillespie for example, we'll never really know just how far he pushed SAF before he was expelled.

It's come up again recently with Raval Morrison, an amazing talent, who clearly is a very messed up kid, but have we let some players go to easily, when a bit more patience could have turned them round. Giggs wasn't exactly the model teenager, and what came out later clearly showed he's far from perfect, but Fergie kept him. Ok I know Giggs is a legend, but players with immense raw talent like Morrison get shipped out to lesser clubs, where they seem to stop developing at the same rate they did at United. Maybe it's because they're not at the United, or more likely SAF knows best, and they were never going to be that great. Giggs brother played for FC United, he was shit, but what if you'd had him in the United set up, he#d surely be a much better player.

Not sure I'm really making that much sense, it's late and I should be sleeping, anyone have any other examples or thoughts about this? There are other examples, I'll get onto those when I've more time.

Know what you mean but can't think of too many players who have left who have gone on to bigger and better things. Perhaps Forlan, Pique and Rossi (although not sure how he's doing atm)

Agreed, some good examples there, Van Nistelrooy is another, we also let David Platt go, although that might have been pre SAF.  That's my point though, players at a top club develop quicker, could go into outliers here, but won't for now. Those that got the boot, Gillespie for his gambling as an example, would they have been much better if they'd not been sold. I doubt we will hear that much from Raval Morrsion now he's at West Ham, no disrespect to West Ham, they've developed some great players, but what could he have become at United compared to what he might become at West Ham. Not sure where I'm really going with this, it's something that keeps cropping up though.

SAF is someone I rarely question on football matters, even if he turned down Joe Hart, just interested to know others views.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 11, 2012, 06:39:36 AM
I thought Rooney player powered his way to a bumper pay rise?

I believe the word you were looking for here was negotiated.

He's not the first to take that sort of stance - some players even threaten to leave their hometown club to go and play in West London...

The point I was making, as well you know, was that nobody exerts influence over tactics or selection at OT. The last to try it was Roy Keane. A legend of a player for us but out in days when he effectively questioned SAF's authority.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on April 11, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
well well welll


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 11, 2012, 10:33:35 PM
Just like showdowns- never ever easy


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: anthonyl on April 11, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
wow.

watch sir alexs interview.

'we haven't got one decision today' - erm Wigan had a perfect goal disallowed, and Evans should have been sent off!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on April 12, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
wow.

watch sir alexs interview.

'we haven't got one decision today' - erm Wigan had a perfect goal disallowed, and Evans should have been sent off!

at least he said Wigan deserved to win and were the best team :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on April 12, 2012, 07:18:26 PM
wow.

watch sir alexs interview.

'we haven't got one decision today' - erm Wigan had a perfect goal disallowed, and Evans should have been sent off!

at least he said Wigan deserved to win and were the best team :)

Yup, outplayed, and owned by the Wigan fans, who, when a few of our lot kicked off after the penalty that wasn't given, resulting in the five 0 wading in and dragging them off, started chanting, 'you're man united and you do what your told', owned on the pitch and the terraces. sigh.

One of the noisiest games for a while, not like the bin dippers who clearly only sing when they're winning!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 22, 2012, 01:56:51 PM
No idea how we have 3 goals here. Worst twitchy bum game of season! And we are 2 best by a long way


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 22, 2012, 02:14:09 PM
Hang your head in shame boys!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on April 22, 2012, 02:57:06 PM
Sick game. The derby is going to be unbelievable.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 22, 2012, 10:38:52 PM
Rigged.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on April 22, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
City will murder United next week.

Then QPR will cost me a fortune by luckboxing a draw at the Etihad on the last day of the season.

You heard it here first.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 22, 2012, 10:57:12 PM
City will murder United next week.

Then QPR will cost me a fortune by luckboxing a draw at the Etihad on the last day of the season.

You heard it here first.

Disagree. Think it'll be closer than you think


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on April 22, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
City will murder United next week.

Then QPR will cost me a fortune by luckboxing a draw at the Etihad on the last day of the season.

You heard it here first.

Disagree. Think it'll be closer than you think

United are a shadow of the team which have mulitiple championships in the last 15 years.

If the defend like they did today Silva, Aguero and Tevez will rip them apart.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on April 22, 2012, 11:09:53 PM
City will murder United next week.

Then QPR will cost me a fortune by luckboxing a draw at the Etihad on the last day of the season.

You heard it here first.

Disagree. Think it'll be closer than you think

United are a shadow of the team which have mulitiple championships in the last 15 years.

If the defend like they did today Silva, Aguero and Tevez will rip them apart.

im inclined to agree with george

The difference is that city MUST win. If we play valencia and young there will be times when they expose themselves enough. Not many teams have had a go at city this year, and we wont defend like that 2 games running


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: amcgrath1uk on April 22, 2012, 11:10:31 PM
City will murder United next week.

Then QPR will cost me a fortune by luckboxing a draw at the Etihad on the last day of the season.

You heard it here first.

With Barton, Wright-Phillips et al playing for QPR?? I'll assume QPR will be safe before the game. Even if City do beat United next week ( which I obviously hope like hell they do), Newcastle away will be ridiculously difficult.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 22, 2012, 11:18:22 PM
i agree with camel

i think city will destroy united

man u team is the weakest its been for a long long long long long long time

hope we get some good midfielders next season and an out and out striker


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 22, 2012, 11:28:49 PM
Any United team, shit or not, rarely gets destroyed.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: amcgrath1uk on April 22, 2012, 11:30:38 PM
Really think the derby is going to be tight as anything and tense as anything. Too much at stake for it to be anything but...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on April 22, 2012, 11:38:03 PM
What I cant get my head round is how we seem to have no ability to hold onto/defend a lead.

A creative midfielder would go down a treat but I also liked Cleverly at the start of the season.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 22, 2012, 11:39:12 PM
Any United team, shit or not, rarely gets destroyed.

rarely


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on April 22, 2012, 11:39:20 PM
Any United team, shit or not, rarely gets destroyed.


6-1 ring any bells?

City are back playing to that level.

United are playing worse than then.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 22, 2012, 11:41:42 PM
Any United team, shit or not, rarely gets destroyed.


6-1 ring any bells?

City are back playing to that level.

United are playing worse than then.

One freak result.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on April 22, 2012, 11:42:10 PM
Vidic is badly missed.

Ferdinand is nearing the end of his Utd career.

Raphael is not good enough at defending.

Evans has been better recently, but still no Vidic.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on April 22, 2012, 11:50:50 PM
But Rooney has an inbuilt brain..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeeMcshane on April 23, 2012, 04:26:01 AM
Reallly hoping that united win the league esp as im a man u fan. but i have this strange feeling with everything that has been going on with the results and after todays games. Also the way the whole Carlos Teves saga has gone on and the form they hit since they brought him back the last few games, I wont be suprised if it setting something up for a special occasion for him to shine in this game and and score the winning goal for city! That could win them the league!! Really have a bad feeling about it. Big twitchy bum times for UTD fans.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 23, 2012, 10:34:06 AM
Twice in recent seasons we've let a two goal lead slip vs Everton and it could prove very expensive.

Do we need to buy?

The old guard defence is on it's way out and Evans/Smalling/Jones will grow into their roles next season. Hopefully with Vidic adding experience and ability when fit. Rio's time is close to the end as, I fear, is Evra's but the twins should step up and with Valencia and Young doing their share of tracking back and Jones/Smalling/Evra all there as options it may be that one extra fullback is enough. Maybe two.

Midfield - the eternal problem. SAF has a track record of expensive failures in this area and all we can do is hope that he finds the right buy if we make one. Or that the monkey gland treatement keeps working on Scholes and Giggs.

Wingers - apparently we're looking at two or three to add to the three dozen we already seem to have...

Strikers - see above

in a week and a day we could be celebrating having effectively secured another title, or getting out the prediction kits and signing up as Toon Army affiliates.



PS - Lay the nil-nil scoreline


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on April 23, 2012, 03:40:25 PM
Rio is shot, can't see him playing if Vidic was fit.

Would like to see Clint Dempsey there next season.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 23, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Rio is shot, can't see him playing if Vidic was fit.

Would like to see Clint Dempsey there next season.

what for?

all he will be doing is sitting on the bench then play 20 mins of a match occasionally


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on April 23, 2012, 06:19:38 PM
Rio is shot, can't see him playing if Vidic was fit.

Would like to see Clint Dempsey there next season.

what for?

all he will be doing is sitting on the bench then play 20 mins of a match occasionally

Nah, Dempsey is incred.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on April 23, 2012, 07:48:56 PM
5 points wins Man U the title. Could lose it with 6.

I thought it was (fairly) interesting


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 23, 2012, 08:50:51 PM
5 points wins Man U the title. Could lose it with 6.

I thought it was (fairly) interesting

It's all about winning the right five points...

This time next week Rodney...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on April 23, 2012, 10:28:37 PM
Fergie has kept faith with the old guard defensive team in the second half of the season and the results are there to see for yourself, rio for someone who looked so bad and injury prone has excelled without vidic to hold fort. It's telling Smalling and jones are benched and apart from the odd blip look at the goals against in the last 10 league games it's championship stats.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 24, 2012, 08:56:10 AM
Fergie has kept faith with the old guard defensive team in the second half of the season and the results are there to see for yourself, rio for someone who looked so bad and injury prone has excelled without vidic to hold fort. It's telling Smalling and jones are benched and apart from the odd blip look at the goals against in the last 10 league games it's championship stats.

We kept clean sheets against Villa, Fulham, Blackburn, West Brom n Wolves...

We conceded vs Bilbao, Tottenham, Wigan, Everton and Chelsea, and apart from Tottenham all those goals conceded cost us dearly.
The link seems to be that these teams attacked us harder and competed with us in midfield - Scholes has been brilliant but he inevitably needs a little more space these days and we need to be able to man up in games when the oppostion have a proper go (and the talent to go with the effort)



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on April 27, 2012, 08:35:55 AM
Twice in recent seasons we've let a two goal lead slip vs Everton and it could prove very expensive.

Do we need to buy?

The old guard defence is on it's way out and Evans/Smalling/Jones will grow into their roles next season. Hopefully with Vidic adding experience and ability when fit. Rio's time is close to the end as, I fear, is Evra's but the twins should step up and with Valencia and Young doing their share of tracking back and Jones/Smalling/Evra all there as options it may be that one extra fullback is enough. Maybe two.

Midfield - the eternal problem. SAF has a track record of expensive failures in this area and all we can do is hope that he finds the right buy if we make one. Or that the monkey gland treatement keeps working on Scholes and Giggs.

Wingers - apparently we're looking at two or three to add to the three dozen we already seem to have...

Strikers - see above

in a week and a day we could be celebrating having effectively secured another title, or getting out the prediction kits and signing up as Toon Army affiliates.



PS - Lay the nil-nil scoreline

Top post, will add some thoughts soon, remember we've got some real talent emerging still! Two Keane's for starters.

Loving this season, just hope I still am after Monday night.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 30, 2012, 04:06:27 PM
In first with this...

Scene: The Away Dressing Room  at The Etihad Stadium, 15 minutes before kick off tonight

"Right lads we should have had this title wrapped up but we've been sloppy. We can't let this lot snatch it now because they'll never let us live it down. They stung us on the Munich Anniversary and stuffed us 6-1 at ours.
I don't care what you do. Push, pull, elbow kick or dive. Get the fuck out there and get it done!
"
At this point Sir Alex Ferguson steps forward and says "OK ref, I'll take it from here"


Seriously though - this is so big tonight. I don't know if I can cope with watching it. May leave it to halftime and see how it looks. Wouldn't want to miss seeing a win, would loathe being in a room full of haters as we lose.

The positive note for us is that a loss tonight is a lot less final for us than it is for them.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on April 30, 2012, 05:13:45 PM
In first with this...

Scene: The Away Dressing Room  at The Etihad Stadium, 15 minutes before kick off tonight

"Right lads we should have had this title wrapped up but we've been sloppy. We can't let this lot snatch it now because they'll never let us live it down. They stung us on the Munich Anniversary and stuffed us 6-1 at ours.
I don't care what you do. Push, pull, elbow kick or dive. Get the fuck out there and get it done!
"
At this point Sir Alex Ferguson steps forward and says "OK ref, I'll take it from here"


Seriously though - this is so big tonight. I don't know if I can cope with watching it. May leave it to halftime and see how it looks. Wouldn't want to miss seeing a win, would loathe being in a room full of haters as we lose.

The positive note for us is that a loss tonight is a lot less final for us than it is for them.
U r freeroliing m8, even if they loose which is highly unlikey as utd are 1/2 ish to get a draw or a win can you honestly see city getting result at newcastle !


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on April 30, 2012, 05:23:29 PM
In first with this...

Scene: The Away Dressing Room  at The Etihad Stadium, 15 minutes before kick off tonight

"Right lads we should have had this title wrapped up but we've been sloppy. We can't let this lot snatch it now because they'll never let us live it down. They stung us on the Munich Anniversary and stuffed us 6-1 at ours.
I don't care what you do. Push, pull, elbow kick or dive. Get the fuck out there and get it done!
"
At this point Sir Alex Ferguson steps forward and says "OK ref, I'll take it from here"


Seriously though - this is so big tonight. I don't know if I can cope with watching it. May leave it to halftime and see how it looks. Wouldn't want to miss seeing a win, would loathe being in a room full of haters as we lose.

The positive note for us is that a loss tonight is a lot less final for us than it is for them.
U r freeroliing m8, even if they loose which is highly unlikey as utd are 1/2 ish to get a draw or a win can you honestly see city getting result at newcastle !
Hey Pete. What's your side to the story regarding asking Cos his alias without giving yours up. I can see why he would be annoyed and it does look bad on you


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on April 30, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
Very tame from the mancs tonight, City thoroughly deserved winners, poor team selection imo from Fergie.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 30, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
Nothing, not even losing to City can take the edge off my mood this week.

Off to bed to polish my Golden Chip


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 30, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
Any man u supporters think Rooney is over rated


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeeMcshane on April 30, 2012, 11:23:40 PM
Any man u supporters think Rooney is over rated

Na never is. One of the best around. I think tonight just showed his frustration on having no supply to him. If he gets the supply like he usually does he is easily one of the best forwards in the game he has the whole package to his game


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on April 30, 2012, 11:26:49 PM
City will murder United next week.

Then QPR will cost me a fortune by luckboxing a draw at the Etihad on the last day of the season.

You heard it here first.

Disagree. Think it'll be closer than you think

Does zero shots on target count as a murdering?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on April 30, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
City will murder United next week.

Then QPR will cost me a fortune by luckboxing a draw at the Etihad on the last day of the season.

You heard it here first.

Disagree. Think it'll be closer than you think

Does zero shots on target count as a murdering?

Did a pretty good job of killing off our title chances...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on April 30, 2012, 11:39:45 PM
I was really suprised he picked Nani>>>>Valencia, didn't understand that at all. Valencia is by far your best midfielder and Nani is so inconsistent.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeeMcshane on April 30, 2012, 11:51:26 PM
I was really suprised he picked Nani>>>>Valencia, didn't understand that at all. Valencia is by far your best midfielder and Nani is so inconsistent.

Didnt understand why on earth he waited until the 80th minute to take him off he had a shocking game..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on April 30, 2012, 11:55:58 PM
Yeh Nani was terrible but then no one performed aside from Rio.

Was right about it being a tight game tho. Mon the Geordies!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Hairydude on May 01, 2012, 12:16:11 AM
I was really suprised he picked Nani>>>>Valencia, didn't understand that at all. Valencia is by far your best midfielder and Nani is so inconsistent.

Also thought this was strange Valencia has been a standout player for man utd this season


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on May 01, 2012, 12:50:09 AM
Nano had nobody to cross too, pretty harsh to slate him IMO. Valencia right back would have worked well as city play narrow and Barry is on the left of the city midfield three.. Jones defends well but was absolutely shocking on the ball today. Carrick impressed me today and I'd take him to the euros. Yaya and kompany were abs beasts today, zabeta defends ridiculously well too..



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on May 01, 2012, 09:28:22 AM
Anyone else feel Park isnt good enough?

I feel like he lacks in the final 1/3 of the pitch. I understand the final 1/3 of the pitch isnt really his job but when he gets the ball in the oppositions half I just dont expect him to do anything with it, which to me doesnt seem right. In todays game I think you need to be able to defend/work your socks off/be able to attack or be creative in some way.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Hairydude on May 01, 2012, 10:37:43 AM
A 6-0 for Man Utd and 1-0 for City this weekend would make things really interesting!

I know Swansea are playing well but Utd could feasibly score 4+goals in both their final games.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 01, 2012, 11:08:34 AM
A 6-0 for Man Utd and 1-0 for City this weekend would make things really interesting!

I know Swansea are playing well but Utd could feasibly score 4+goals in both their final games.

(http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo-thumbs-2/APRD65.jpg)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 01, 2012, 12:06:31 PM
I was really suprised he picked Nani>>>>Valencia, didn't understand that at all. Valencia is by far your best midfielder and Nani is so inconsistent.

He picked Nani because he's owned Clichy in the past. Clearly not last night though.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on May 01, 2012, 04:14:05 PM
A 6-0 for Man Utd and 1-0 for City this weekend would make things really interesting!

I know Swansea are playing well but Utd could feasibly score 4+goals in both their final games.
City beating Newcastle full stop would be an achievment with their away form an Newcastle having everything to play for while swansea are terrible away with nothing to play for! contrasting opponents some may say.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Doobs on May 04, 2012, 11:59:08 PM
Congrats on the title.


Football doesn't follow the rules.

Fair point


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 13, 2012, 04:29:50 PM
Oh my!

Hope springs eternal


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on May 13, 2012, 07:07:19 PM
Oh my!

Hope springs eternal

That was the beauty of it!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on May 14, 2012, 12:53:51 AM
Brilliant season an Man Utd worthy runners up ,an justice has prevailed! Man city were an are the best team an showed courage an eventually there class seperated them from the rest by 8 goals in the end!

Bring on next season !


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 14, 2012, 06:51:02 AM
Oh my!

Hope springs eternal

That was the beauty of it!

Indeed.

Imagine the meeting when a writer pitches that script to a film producer.

Football eh? Bloody Hell
#lovethegame


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 14, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
Ruud Van Nistelrooy retires from the game. Probably up there with one of my fave players for United.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 14, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Ruud Van Nistelrooy retires from the game. Probably up there with one of my fave players for United.

which one?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 14, 2012, 02:00:18 PM
Ruud Van Nistelrooy retires from the game. Probably up there with one of my fave players for United.

which one?

Sorry poor phrasing.

I would say, in no particular order:

Robson
Ronaldo
Van Nistelrooy
Keane
Cantona

Was a big fan of Hughes and loved Paul Ince but when they sign/manage your rivals in ruins the affection you can have for a player


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on May 14, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
Ruud Van Nistelrooy retires from the game. Probably up there with one of my fave players for United.

which one?

Sorry poor phrasing.

I would say, in no particular order:

Robson
Ronaldo
Van Nistelrooy
Keane
Cantona

Was a big fan of Hughes and loved Paul Ince but when they sign/manage your rivals in ruins the affection you can have for a player
Trying to get u 2 bite m8 but u good! On serious note as im a bit older than you my dad use to rave on about Bryan Robson as a midfield general would of been up there in todays game as yaya toure  complete rival!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 14, 2012, 02:23:38 PM
lol george, couldn't resist after all those 'fold pre's

Top 5? bearing in mind that I'm older than you...

Best
Charlton
Giggs
Cantona
Scholes





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 14, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
In times of disappointment it's good to turn back and look at moments of pure pleasure

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYiO7PoCZyY

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnqM1fIarCo

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and of course...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93tQzIhKMUw

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh6vgkgQ2Ww

and

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhtnytPvd_w





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 14, 2012, 02:52:55 PM
It was a bittersweet pill to swallow yesterday but as many have pointed out- we've done it to teams time and time again. It was almost surreal watching it. I mean I'd completely written us off. Thought Man City would beat them 6-0 and we wouldn't have a shot but to lose it in that way was like getting your money in bad, only to get there on the turn then get redraw on the river.

In a way, I'm glad we've lost. I cannot believe this team has 89 points. Maybe I'm doing the team a dis-service but we've not anywhere near as good as the Red Machine in the 90's early 00's.

Let's buy a couple of decent midfielders and still think we need a striker.

Postives, despite his start to the season, De Gea looks the real deal. Vidic will be back next year and hopefully Jones and Smalling will continue to flourish. For me Nani can go- much prefer Valencia and Young


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 14, 2012, 03:04:49 PM
It was a bittersweet pill to swallow yesterday but as many have pointed out- we've done it to teams time and time again. It was almost surreal watching it. I mean I'd completely written us off. Thought Man City would beat them 6-0 and we wouldn't have a shot but to lose it in that way was like getting your money in bad, only to get there on the turn then get redraw on the river.

In a way, I'm glad we've lost. I cannot believe this team has 89 points. Maybe I'm doing the team a dis-service but we've not anywhere near as good as the Red Machine in the 90's early 00's.

Let's buy a couple of decent midfielders and still think we need a striker.

Postives, despite his start to the season, De Gea looks the real deal. Vidic will be back next year and hopefully Jones and Smalling will continue to flourish. For me Nani can go- much prefer Valencia and Young

best post you've ever written on this thread George

We got 89 points by being Manchester United. We won games that we played poorly in and we won some with some great football. It seems a long time ago, but the 8-2 vs Arsenal will live on in the memory for a long time.
We lost the League through some very un-Manchester United slip-ups. Losing to Blackburn at home for one. Conceding a 2 goal lead to Everton at home. Obviously no single event results in the final position, but that single dropped point ...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: RedFox on May 14, 2012, 05:18:05 PM
Fantastic end to the season, good job to city and their fans.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on May 15, 2012, 01:23:49 AM
Couple of good vids here too David:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnzbVS61boQ

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEuBHXFPT_E


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 15, 2012, 01:33:44 AM
How was Leeds's last day Brent? Full of incident and excitement? :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on May 15, 2012, 03:15:29 AM
How was Leeds's last day Brent? Full of incident and excitement? :)

 :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Amatay on May 15, 2012, 07:52:05 AM
Couple of good vids here too David:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnzbVS61boQ

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEuBHXFPT_E


hsahahahhaahhaha incred


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 15, 2012, 09:03:49 AM
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6094/6238526550_cb7eef348c_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 15, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
who do u think man u will buy this summer?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 15, 2012, 06:24:30 PM
It was a bittersweet pill to swallow yesterday but as many have pointed out- we've done it to teams time and time again. It was almost surreal watching it. I mean I'd completely written us off. Thought Man City would beat them 6-0 and we wouldn't have a shot but to lose it in that way was like getting your money in bad, only to get there on the turn then get redraw on the river.

In a way, I'm glad we've lost. I cannot believe this team has 89 points. Maybe I'm doing the team a dis-service but we've not anywhere near as good as the Red Machine in the 90's early 00's.

Let's buy a couple of decent midfielders and still think we need a striker.

Postives, despite his start to the season, De Gea looks the real deal. Vidic will be back next year and hopefully Jones and Smalling will continue to flourish. For me Nani can go- much prefer Valencia and Young

best post you've ever written on this thread George

We got 89 points by being Manchester United. We won games that we played poorly in and we won some with some great football. It seems a long time ago, but the 8-2 vs Arsenal will live on in the memory for a long time.
We lost the League through some very un-Manchester United slip-ups. Losing to Blackburn at home for one. Conceding a 2 goal lead to Everton at home. Obviously no single event results in the final position, but that single dropped point ...

Tbf losing the league with 89 points is pretty damn unlucky. I don't think the side needs changing much at all.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 15, 2012, 06:56:42 PM
what scum tevez is


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 15, 2012, 08:04:38 PM
what scum tevez is

Not scum, just very very stupid


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on May 15, 2012, 08:25:32 PM
what scum tevez is

Not scum, just very very stupid
mmmm put him self in some awkard postions this year ! Lets hope he can let his talent provide the action. Do you think he will be a Manchester City player next season ?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on May 15, 2012, 08:34:47 PM
It was a bittersweet pill to swallow yesterday but as many have pointed out- we've done it to teams time and time again. It was almost surreal watching it. I mean I'd completely written us off. Thought Man City would beat them 6-0 and we wouldn't have a shot but to lose it in that way was like getting your money in bad, only to get there on the turn then get redraw on the river.

In a way, I'm glad we've lost. I cannot believe this team has 89 points. Maybe I'm doing the team a dis-service but we've not anywhere near as good as the Red Machine in the 90's early 00's.

Let's buy a couple of decent midfielders and still think we need a striker.

Postives, despite his start to the season, De Gea looks the real deal. Vidic will be back next year and hopefully Jones and Smalling will continue to flourish. For me Nani can go- much prefer Valencia and Young

best post you've ever written on this thread George

We got 89 points by being Manchester United. We won games that we played poorly in and we won some with some great football. It seems a long time ago, but the 8-2 vs Arsenal will live on in the memory for a long time.
We lost the League through some very un-Manchester United slip-ups. Losing to Blackburn at home for one. Conceding a 2 goal lead to Everton at home. Obviously no single event results in the final position, but that single dropped point ...

Tbf losing the league with 89 points is pretty damn unlucky. I don't think the side needs changing much at all.
Unbelievable points tally just shows how far with City they are ahead of their pack an i think alot of it is down to Sir Alex on motivating his team to perform. They spent a few quid last summer just shy of £60 million i think wt Ashley Young at just under 20 an Dea Gea the same an Phil jones from Blackburn just shy of £17 million so with a couple more signings in the summer they will be up there as usual an defintely will be a more European threat this time round.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on May 16, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
what scum tevez is

I LIKE TEVEZ. He make my day


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 26, 2012, 09:50:02 AM
who do u think man u will buy this summer?

Please, please it's Man United, Manchester United, United, etc, etc, not Man U, ok rant over.

We'll but no one of any real significance, because since 2006 we've been asset stripped, slowly and surely by the Scum bag Glaziers.







ps, please let me be wrong.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on May 26, 2012, 09:55:23 AM
who do u think man u will buy this summer?

Please, please it's Man United, Manchester United, United, etc, etc, not Man U, ok rant over.

We'll but no one of any real significance, because since 2006 we've been asset stripped, slowly and surely by the Scum bag Glaziers.







ps, please let me be wrong.

Looks like they got Hazard.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 26, 2012, 10:08:30 AM
What's wrong with man u?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on May 26, 2012, 10:12:55 AM
Bid for Shinji Kagawa too.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on May 26, 2012, 02:04:32 PM
ManYoo or ManUre ok pokerfan!?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 26, 2012, 02:14:31 PM
What's wrong with man u?

Man .U. is not a term United fans refer to themselves as. The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club. The "u" is meant to be "you" by the rival fans.

An early example of its usage is this chant by West Brom fans: "Duncan Edwards is manure, rotting in his grave, man you are manure- rotting in your grave". The origin of "Man .u." is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards.

Liverpool and Leeds fans copied this with their own man you /u versions to insult all of the lads who died at munich.

"Man .U. Man .U. went on a plane Man .U. Man .U. never came back again"

and..

"Man .U. Never Intended Coming Home" (if you combine the first letter of each word you get the word "munich").

I hope this makes it clearer that saying man .u. is an insult, particularly to the older supporters and to see United fans using it now is shameful. I hope a few might read this, understand and spread the word.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on May 26, 2012, 02:55:51 PM
What's wrong with man u?

Man .U. is not a term United fans refer to themselves as. The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club. The "u" is meant to be "you" by the rival fans.

An early example of its usage is this chant by West Brom fans: "Duncan Edwards is manure, rotting in his grave, man you are manure- rotting in your grave". The origin of "Man .u." is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards.

Liverpool and Leeds fans copied this with their own man you /u versions to insult all of the lads who died at munich.

"Man .U. Man .U. went on a plane Man .U. Man .U. never came back again"

and..

"Man .U. Never Intended Coming Home" (if you combine the first letter of each word you get the word "munich").

I hope this makes it clearer that saying man .u. is an insult, particularly to the older supporters and to see United fans using it now is shameful. I hope a few might read this, understand and spread the word.

Its the same when rival fans call my club Arse - they are definitely mugging us off and it makes me so furious.

Often they play with the whole you/u thing as well whether in written or spoken form with things often thrown at me like 'you arse', 'u arse'. Fks me right off


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 26, 2012, 04:48:09 PM
Sorry didn't know that

I thought man u is for the Chinese fans who cant say united very well


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on May 26, 2012, 05:10:43 PM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 26, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.

I know loads of Utd fans over 30 who use it totally innocently. Several are season ticket holders too. I think it may be more of a generational thing?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 27, 2012, 08:45:01 AM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.

I know loads of Utd fans over 30 who use it totally innocently. Several are season ticket holders too. I think it may be more of a generational thing?

I'm only 40, lol.

We've clearly got loads of fans who started supporting in the 90's, nothing wrong with that, I love that we are the most supported club worldwide (and in Manchester), just know your history, don't want this to come across the wrong way, but if you didn't know fair enough, you do now ;-).


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on May 27, 2012, 08:53:10 AM
ManYoo or ManUre ok pokerfan!?

?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 10:26:58 AM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.

I know loads of Utd fans over 30 who use it totally innocently. Several are season ticket holders too. I think it may be more of a generational thing?

I'm only 40, lol.

We've clearly got loads of fans who started supporting in the 90's, nothing wrong with that, I love that we are the most supported club worldwide (and in Manchester), just know your history, don't want this to come across the wrong way, but if you didn't know fair enough, you do now ;-).

 ;yellowcard; and  :redcard:


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 27, 2012, 10:51:54 AM
very much doubt most fans that refer to manchester united as Man U are doing it as an insult.  We normally call you scum but on here we cant use that word without getting in bother.

Happy to use scum if manu is too offensive?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 27, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
very much doubt most fans that refer to manchester united as Man U are doing it as an insult.  We normally call you scum but on here we cant use that word without getting in bother.

Happy to use scum if manu is too offensive?

Personally, I'm happy with Man U on that basis

I got stick for referring to 'United' with no geographical indicator, so tend to refer to Manchester United unless the context makes it clear. Those who refer to any team as 'sc*m' should probably do likewise.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on May 27, 2012, 01:41:08 PM

My bad, a case of mistaken identity, I thought it was you that started the whole ManU is offensive thing!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on May 27, 2012, 01:45:05 PM

My bad, a case of mistaken identity, I thought it was you that started the whole ManU is offensive thing!

K, don't get it myself, paranoid Mancs obv.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on May 27, 2012, 05:31:03 PM
going to be a special one

18yo Nick Powell of Crewe, going to OT this summer it seems

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JKRr605voU


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 05:37:07 PM
Twitter was full of speculation yesterday that the Hazard deal was more or less done.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 28, 2012, 07:44:26 AM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.

I know loads of Utd fans over 30 who use it totally innocently. Several are season ticket holders too. I think it may be more of a generational thing?

I'm only 40, lol.

We've clearly got loads of fans who started supporting in the 90's, nothing wrong with that, I love that we are the most supported club worldwide (and in Manchester), just know your history, don't want this to come across the wrong way, but if you didn't know fair enough, you do now ;-).

 ;yellowcard; and  :redcard:

I'm considering doing a Barton, taking out all the posters not respecting my club on my way off. Then I remembered, I don't support (buy home tickets, shirts, scarfs etc) MUFC while the glaziers are owners, FCUM all the way.

One quick question, why is a biindipper so involved in a MUFC thread?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 28, 2012, 07:50:54 AM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.

I know loads of Utd fans over 30 who use it totally innocently. Several are season ticket holders too. I think it may be more of a generational thing?

I'm only 40, lol.

We've clearly got loads of fans who started supporting in the 90's, nothing wrong with that, I love that we are the most supported club worldwide (and in Manchester), just know your history, don't want this to come across the wrong way, but if you didn't know fair enough, you do now ;-).

 ;yellowcard; and  :redcard:

My bad we're the most supported 'SPORTS' team, you're not suggesting the bindippers are anywhere near us are you? ;-)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 08:51:28 AM
I would prefer it if you replace support with favourite team. Since most of your "supporters" have never been to Manchester nevermind old trafford.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 28, 2012, 12:40:54 PM
I would prefer it if you replace support with favourite team. Since most of your "supporters" have never been to Manchester nevermind old trafford.

Why would I do that, I grew up there, and don't care where supporters are from, why would anyone really? They buy a top, it's supports the club. United's support worldwide goes back long before I was born.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on May 28, 2012, 12:53:09 PM
I would prefer it if you replace support with favourite team. Since most of your "supporters" have never been to Manchester nevermind old trafford.

Why would I do that, I grew up there, and don't care where supporters are from, why would anyone really? They buy a top, it's supports the club. United's support worldwide goes back long before I was born.

Follow might be the most accurate - I agree that whether you've been to Manchester or Old Trafford doesn't suggest you haven't supported them.

But I expect to include all the fans around the world there are probably a lot who haven't ever paid out any money in the process (I've followed Manchester United since the 80's and I've never spent any money on it apart from buying pints in a pub to watch a game)

Most followed club/most followers in the World then?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 28, 2012, 04:26:43 PM
I would prefer it if you replace support with favourite team. Since most of your "supporters" have never been to Manchester nevermind old trafford.

Why would I do that, I grew up there, and don't care where supporters are from, why would anyone really? They buy a top, it's supports the club. United's support worldwide goes back long before I was born.



Don't worry Jack. These haters have nothing better to do cos they're own teams are so poor :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2012, 06:51:45 PM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.

I know loads of Utd fans over 30 who use it totally innocently. Several are season ticket holders too. I think it may be more of a generational thing?

I'm only 40, lol.

We've clearly got loads of fans who started supporting in the 90's, nothing wrong with that, I love that we are the most supported club worldwide (and in Manchester), just know your history, don't want this to come across the wrong way, but if you didn't know fair enough, you do now ;-).

 ;yellowcard; and  :redcard:

I'm considering doing a Barton, taking out all the posters not respecting my club on my way off. Then I remembered, I don't support (buy home tickets, shirts, scarfs etc) MUFC while the glaziers are owners, FCUM all the way.

One quick question, why is a biindipper so involved in a MUFC thread?

Pretty com you use an offensive term like bindipper then worry about the questionably offensive 'Man Yoo' being used?

I'm just a footy fan. I've read lots of autobigraphies of Utd players (and your manager) too would you believe. Fair play on the Glaziers. Obv scumbags. After what happened at our gaff I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Even yoos lot.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2012, 06:52:55 PM
The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club

Not true, I've often used it but was oblivious to how much it insults until you posted it.

I know loads of Utd fans over 30 who use it totally innocently. Several are season ticket holders too. I think it may be more of a generational thing?

I'm only 40, lol.

We've clearly got loads of fans who started supporting in the 90's, nothing wrong with that, I love that we are the most supported club worldwide (and in Manchester), just know your history, don't want this to come across the wrong way, but if you didn't know fair enough, you do now ;-).

 ;yellowcard; and  :redcard:

My bad we're the most supported 'SPORTS' team, you're not suggesting the bindippers are anywhere near us are you? ;-)

Actually, we're not that far away, but no I wasn't suggesting we are ahead of you. Others are though.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on May 28, 2012, 08:48:59 PM
Hazard just tweeted he's signing for Chelsea.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on May 28, 2012, 08:52:26 PM
Hazard just tweeted he's signing for Chelsea.

Says a lot about how Chelsea are run when they don't even have a manager. If I was a footballer I wouldn't be signing for a club without having spoken to the current manager, unless the next man has already been decided and he has done so.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on May 28, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
Hazard just tweeted he's signing for Chelsea.

Says a lot about how Chelsea are run when they don't even have a manager. If I was a footballer I wouldn't be signing for a club without having spoken to the current manager, unless the next man has already been decided and he has done so.

Yeah all a bit bizarre.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2012, 09:15:50 PM
Two weeks ago he was joining a club from Manchester in his own words. That CL win for Chelsea may end up more important to the future of their club than they realised. Great signing.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 09:21:05 PM
I would prefer it if you replace support with favourite team. Since most of your "supporters" have never been to Manchester nevermind old trafford.

Why would I do that, I grew up there, and don't care where supporters are from, why would anyone really? They buy a top, it's supports the club. United's support worldwide goes back long before I was born.



Don't worry Jack. These haters have nothing better to do cos they're own teams are so poor :)

Hey George, we havent crossed paths for a while.  Hope all is well with you and yours

xx


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on May 28, 2012, 09:25:01 PM
Two weeks ago he was joining a club from Manchester in his own words. That CL win for Chelsea may end up more important to the future of their club than they realised. Great signing.

Other than money, which I'd guess is the reason, I can't think of one reason he'd choose Chelsea over Manchester United ( no idea what abv of that is acceptable now, totally unaware of the implications). Unless Abromovich has told him he plans to spend £100m+ I'd definitely have taken them over Chelsea in a LL for the CL next season.

Then again maybe I'm underestimating the London factor.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 10:25:22 PM
Two weeks ago he was joining a club from Manchester in his own words. That CL win for Chelsea may end up more important to the future of their club than they realised. Great signing.

Other than money, which I'd guess is the reason, I can't think of one reason he'd choose Chelsea over Manchester United ( no idea what abv of that is acceptable now, totally unaware of the implications). Unless Abromovich has told him he plans to spend £100m+ I'd definitely have taken them over Chelsea in a LL for the CL next season.

Then again maybe I'm underestimating the London factor.

prob wants to join a club with a trophy this year & loyal local supporters... well its that or money


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ricardov83 on May 28, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
Two weeks ago he was joining a club from Manchester in his own words. That CL win for Chelsea may end up more important to the future of their club than they realised. Great signing.

Other than money, which I'd guess is the reason, I can't think of one reason he'd choose Chelsea over Manchester United ( no idea what abv of that is acceptable now, totally unaware of the implications). Unless Abromovich has told him he plans to spend £100m+ I'd definitely have taken them over Chelsea in a LL for the CL next season.

Then again maybe I'm underestimating the London factor.

Don't want to start anything but I find this particular abbreviation of abbreviation pretty offensive. 

Please only use the shortened version 'abbv' in the future as the other one has offensive historical connotations for me.

Thanks for being so understanding.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 10:38:27 PM
 rotflmfao


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on May 28, 2012, 10:42:26 PM
Just popped in to say Man U on the off chance some sensitive type will cry a lot


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 10:44:59 PM
Just popped in to say Man U on the off chance some sensitive type will cry a lot

we've been told to call them scum now, and liverpool fans are to be known as bindippers.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on May 28, 2012, 10:48:50 PM
Just popped in to say Man U on the off chance some sensitive type will cry a lot

we've been told to call them scum now, and liverpool fans are to be known as bindippers.

But I admire Man U, and those Tarbyesque scousers, oho !


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ricardov83 on May 28, 2012, 10:52:18 PM
Man Ushited is good but probably a bit offensive too.

I'm only writing this because i'm jealous of their huge success mind.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on May 28, 2012, 10:57:05 PM
The origin of "Man .u." is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards.

so when the club and media used it pre-munich they knew he was going to die and decided to do it to insult him?

and when they continued to use it after munich they were just being real bastards?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on May 28, 2012, 10:57:37 PM
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/why-saying-man-u-isnt-so-bad/


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on May 28, 2012, 11:00:02 PM
oooh look, a badge made by man u of geoff bent before his death in the munich disaster using an abbreviation for the club name that didn't yet exist

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/decorativeedison/GeoffBentBadgeC1957.jpg)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 11:05:29 PM
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/why-saying-man-u-isnt-so-bad/

why did i read that?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on May 28, 2012, 11:08:57 PM
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/why-saying-man-u-isnt-so-bad/

why did i read that?

cos you've got no electricity in your new castle so you're a bit bored?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: nirvana on May 28, 2012, 11:10:32 PM
The origin of "Man .u." is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards.

so when the club and media used it pre-munich they knew he was going to die and decided to do it to insult him?

and when they continued to use it after munich they were just being real bastards?

TBF, the whole explanation of the offense caused by Man You/ Man U was like listening to Ted Rogers giving solutions on 3-2-1.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/why-saying-man-u-isnt-so-bad/

why did i read that?

cos you've got no electricity in your new castle so you're a bit bored?

you tricked me, it was very long winded but I thought "gatso only posts good stuff" so i soldered on.... you owe me 10 to 15mins


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on May 28, 2012, 11:25:28 PM
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/why-saying-man-u-isnt-so-bad/

why did i read that?

cos you've got no electricity in your new castle so you're a bit bored?

you tricked me, it was very long winded but I thought "gatso only posts good stuff" so i soldered on.... you owe me 10 to 15mins

if I promise not to post part 2 can we call it quits?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 28, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/why-saying-man-u-isnt-so-bad/

why did i read that?

cos you've got no electricity in your new castle so you're a bit bored?

you tricked me, it was very long winded but I thought "gatso only posts good stuff" so i soldered on.... you owe me 10 to 15mins

if I promise not to post part 2 can we call it quits?

I really want to read part 2 now. That's how much love you get from me...


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 28, 2012, 11:33:43 PM
Massive blow not getting hazard. Think he's pretty much gtd a starting spot which will also have made his mind up


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: gatso on May 28, 2012, 11:36:54 PM
apparently it's here but not working for me

http://manutdnetwork.com/forum/topics/rom-article-why-saying-man-u-isn-t-so-bad-part-2

I've not read it yet so caveat emptor or summat


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on May 28, 2012, 11:45:19 PM
Funny how football can be. If man city don't score two united are champs. If bayern hold on for 6 more mins Chelsea are a club in obscurity and hazard probs nailed on to come to united.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on May 28, 2012, 11:57:14 PM
Massive blow not getting hazard. Think he's pretty much gtd a starting spot which will also have made his mind up

You don't think he was also gtd a spot at that red team you support ? Never seen him play but from the clamour for his signing I'd expect he'd instantly be your best midfielder.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 29, 2012, 07:45:08 AM
Funny how football can be. If man city don't score two united are champs. If bayern hold on for 6 more mins Chelsea are a club in obscurity and hazard probs nailed on to come to united.

Very true, if mark robins hadnt bagged the winner vs notts Forrest in 1989 fergie prob would have been sacked!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 29, 2012, 08:06:31 AM
The origin of "Man .u." is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards.

so when the club and media used it pre-munich they knew he was going to die and decided to do it to insult him?

and when they continued to use it after munich they were just being real bastards?

I know it's no where near the same level. But you could say the same about the Nazi symbol, look what happened to that. It became offensive, just like the term Man U, it became something offensive, just thought United fans should know their history, that is all.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on May 29, 2012, 08:30:41 AM
The origin of "Man .u." is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards.

so when the club and media used it pre-munich they knew he was going to die and decided to do it to insult him?

and when they continued to use it after munich they were just being real bastards?

I know it's no where near the same level. But you could say the same about the Nazi symbol, look what happened to that. It became offensive, just like the term Man U, it became something offensive, just thought United fans should know their history, that is all.

Rofl

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on May 29, 2012, 10:13:10 AM
Funny how football can be. If man city don't score two united are champs. If bayern hold on for 6 more mins Chelsea are a club in obscurity and hazard probs nailed on to come to united.

Very true, if mark robins hadnt bagged the winner vs notts Forrest in 1989 fergie prob would have been sacked!

That's often quoted, and equally often denied.

Football,as poker, as life, is full of 'Sliding Door' moments. That's what keeps it interesting.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on May 29, 2012, 12:21:16 PM
The origin of "Man .u." is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards.

so when the club and media used it pre-munich they knew he was going to die and decided to do it to insult him?

and when they continued to use it after munich they were just being real bastards?

I know it's no where near the same level. But you could say the same about the Nazi symbol, look what happened to that. It became offensive, just like the term Man U, it became something offensive, just thought United fans should know their history, that is all.

Rofl

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

I like to give these law setters some ammo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on August 15, 2012, 08:18:14 PM
Thoughts on RVP signing? Think we needed a striker but will he fit in? Form a partnership with Rooney? 24m too much for a 29 yo?

What about our midfield? Is it string enough to compete and winboth at home and in Europe?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on August 15, 2012, 08:43:16 PM
Thoughts on RVP signing? Think we needed a striker but will he fit in? Form a partnership with Rooney? 24m too much for a 29 yo?

What about our midfield? Is it string enough to compete and winboth at home and in Europe?

I'm sure he'll fit in fine for the fifteen or so games that he normally plays in an average season.

How long is a piece of strong?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on August 15, 2012, 08:45:05 PM
A 29yr old that has only once played over 30 games in a season.....that was last season. Fingers crossed as he has got older his injuries have left him behind.

I am definitely excited at the prospect of going to watch him.

Big seasons for Anderson and Cleverly I reckon but have we being saying that for the past few seasons about Anderson?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on August 15, 2012, 08:45:49 PM
Love how all ur arsenal fans are so bitter :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on August 15, 2012, 09:04:30 PM
Love how all ur arsenal fans are so bitter :)

Well the thing is that we made you pay over the odds for a 29 year-old player who is in the last year of his contract and has a history of being injury-prone over six years. Hopefully he's put his injury problems behind him but realistically players tend to become more rather than less injury-prone as they get older, you only have to check out your aging defenders to see that.

Arsenal fans are bitter as we stood by Robin through all of those injury-ridden seasons and a scandal or two as well like AW did. We thought he would have a little more loyalty but whatever, £24M seems reasonable enough to me.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: JK on August 15, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
Doesnt matter now anyway. Failed his medical at United due to a bad back from carrying 10 men for a whole season.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on August 15, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
Good deal for Arsenal but a good player for Man Utd. Doesn't seem to fit a plan but maybe a bit similar to Nasri last season. Wasn't necessary but it's important he didn't go to the other Manchester club.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on August 16, 2012, 07:42:51 AM
I'm disappointed, van Persil seems pretty easy to dislike and I'm inclined to take the easy option here.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on August 20, 2012, 03:07:39 AM
I'm happy, Sheringham was 31 when we bought him, 3 PL, 1 CL and an FA Cup was a decent return to say the least. Think he gives us the extra depth and experience for Europe, and a clear statement that we can still compete (have you seen his bonus package) in the transfer market.

I'm equally excited by Kagawa, and doubt he'll have any issues settling in. New wing back, and now talk of Kaka, which I doubt will happen, but I said that the night before RVP signed.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: youthnkzR on August 20, 2012, 03:13:00 PM
now talk of Kaka

thatd be quality


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeeMcshane on September 04, 2012, 09:53:56 PM
What a signing RVP is making out to be atm.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: BorntoBubble on September 04, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeeMcshane on September 04, 2012, 10:57:24 PM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!
So far signing of the season and glad to have him now especially as rooney is out!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: BorntoBubble on September 04, 2012, 11:01:58 PM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!
So far signing of the season and glad to have him now especially as rooney is out!

and if them two can gel hopefully it wont matter how bad our defence or midfield is!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on September 04, 2012, 11:23:10 PM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!
So far signing of the season and glad to have him now especially as rooney is out!
Hey my names Michu,
this statements crazy
I was £22million cheaper
consider me maybe?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeeMcshane on September 04, 2012, 11:44:50 PM
But is he gonna give them a chance to win the league... Or be top goalscorer?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Horneris on September 05, 2012, 02:05:38 AM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!
So far signing of the season and glad to have him now especially as rooney is out!
Hey my names Michu,
this statements crazy
I was £22million cheaper
consider me maybe?

lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 05, 2012, 02:39:40 PM
But is he gonna give them a chance to win the league... Or be top goalscorer?

So a player can only be considered as signing of the season if he plays for one of the top 3 clubs or is a striker capable of scoring 25 Prem goals?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on September 05, 2012, 04:21:59 PM
Michu
Cazorla
Hazard 

All impressive so far for players who are new to the league.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Camel on September 05, 2012, 04:23:37 PM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!
So far signing of the season and glad to have him now especially as rooney is out!
Hey my names Michu,
this statements crazy
I was £22million cheaper
consider me maybe?

BoB


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeeMcshane on September 05, 2012, 10:13:18 PM
But is he gonna give them a chance to win the league... Or be top goalscorer?

So a player can only be considered as signing of the season if he plays for one of the top 3 clubs or is a striker capable of scoring 25 Prem goals?


nope but he inspired results more then the others so far in 4 games


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on September 05, 2012, 10:16:57 PM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!
So far signing of the season and glad to have him now especially as rooney is out!
Hey my names Michu,
this statements crazy
I was £22million cheaper
consider me maybe?

BoB

so good


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: BorntoBubble on September 05, 2012, 10:51:08 PM
But is he gonna give them a chance to win the league... Or be top goalscorer?

So a player can only be considered as signing of the season if he plays for one of the top 3 clubs or is a striker capable of scoring 25 Prem goals?


nope but he inspired results more then the others so far in 4 games

its close Hazard has been ruleing for chelsea and they llook pretty good at the minute


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 23, 2012, 02:44:34 PM
RAFAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 23, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
RVP. Love that man


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 23, 2012, 03:27:55 PM
RVP. Love that man

Can't take that step yet. Pretty anonymous today but it was a well taken penalty.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 23, 2012, 03:30:27 PM
Still love him


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on September 23, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Can we please get rid of nani?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on September 23, 2012, 05:46:50 PM
Bad day at the office for United. Can we win the league? I just can't see it. The team that's impressed me the most this season has been Arsenal


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 23, 2012, 06:20:56 PM
Bad day at the office for United. Can we win the league? I just can't see it. The team that's impressed me the most this season has been Arsenal

We did a win though.
City dropped points, as did Arsenal.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Micko on September 23, 2012, 08:40:19 PM
Nani has to be on his way out now!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 24, 2012, 09:33:45 AM
A great club shamed by the actions of a mindless minority who seem to have no regard for the feelings of others.

I hope that the cctv cameras were on them and that the culprits will be identified and banned.

I find the vitriolic nature of our relationship with Liverpool hard to understand. Why the antagonism? It's worse between us and LFC than it is with City. It seems more than just a sporting rivalry. Perhaps some of those who are closer to the scene could explain?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AdamM on September 24, 2012, 01:47:30 PM
Mancs chant about Hillsorough, Scoucers chant about Munich.
both pretty sick
round and round it goes


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Acidmouse on September 24, 2012, 03:28:19 PM
So it took one Liverpool fan to set all the **** fans chanting...erm please please ban anyone who was caught on Camera singing. People should not use any excuse for singing vile crap. I think everyone in football has now had enough.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 24, 2012, 07:04:49 PM
So it took one Liverpool fan to set all the **** fans chanting...erm please please ban anyone who was caught on Camera singing. People should not use any excuse for singing vile crap. I think everyone in football has now had enough.

Agreed


Bans for those who sent the abusive tweets to Halsey too? The line was crossed there in a way that is far more targeted and personal.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on September 29, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
The comeback is on, then off, then on again

I backed United at 0-2 when they were 7.8 on bf. mildly tempted to take the effective 1.8 return right now, but I can see us doing this.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on October 01, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
Norwood is 16-1 tomorrow night. Home v Leicester.

(If you can get on with 365, the shrewd punters are restricted there)

Not sure if Beckford being listed is affecting the price, but he can't play against them due to the loan deal.

Saturday's goal was a 30 yard free kick, tried to find it but no joy.

Football manager Tekkers though  ;tightend;

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI3wytMcFEs

Worth an ew punt.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 03, 2012, 12:07:40 PM
Rooney will stick to centre mid now? Best position?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on October 03, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
Hope so- we need him in there. Midfield is really poor


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: tikay on October 03, 2012, 01:25:24 PM
Rooney will stick to centre mid now? Best position?

Like him as a person or not, he has incredible work-rate, & seems to be wholly unselfish on the pitch. I thought he was amazingly good, & effective, last night, & it does not seem to trouble his ego to feed chances to RVP.   


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on October 06, 2012, 11:48:47 AM
Rooney will stick to centre mid now? Best position?

Like him as a person or not, he has incredible work-rate, & seems to be wholly unselfish on the pitch. I thought he was amazingly good, & effective, last night, & it does not seem to trouble his ego to feed chances to RVP.   

He gets a lot of stick and some of it he deserves, but mocking him for his appearance is mostly a symptom of the mockers insecurities. He does a lot of work out of the camera's eye which goes unreported. He's a better man than any that call him 'shrek'.


Have felt, and said, for some time that Rooney is the longterm successor to Scholes. He can tackle better too.

Like the look of the new scots lad that played this week also. Could be a valuable acquisition if he stays healthy.





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on October 06, 2012, 01:00:03 PM
Define being "better" than Rooney? I know loads of people who have called him Shrek and managed to not cheat on their pregnant wives for example.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on October 08, 2012, 02:57:34 AM
Define being "better" than Rooney? I know loads of people who have called him Shrek and managed to not cheat on their pregnant wives for example.
beat me to this :(
Used to cheat regular in the icon suite in 235.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 08, 2012, 10:47:34 AM
Rooney was incred yesterday, should play CM for England for the forseeable future, he is perfect for the position and if hes in the game for 100% he will keep his composure, when he feeds on scraps from a defense minded team then he will try to express himself too much and get in trouble. He can also help the younger mdifielders next to him such as Cleverly.

Very impressed.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on October 08, 2012, 01:07:36 PM
Define being "better" than Rooney? I know loads of people who have called him Shrek and managed to not cheat on their pregnant wives for example.
beat me to this :(
Used to cheat regular in the icon suite in 235.

Rooney will stick to centre mid now? Best position?

Like him as a person or not, he has incredible work-rate, & seems to be wholly unselfish on the pitch. I thought he was amazingly good, & effective, last night, & it does not seem to trouble his ego to feed chances to RVP.   

He gets a lot of stick and some of it he deserves, but mocking him for his appearance is mostly a symptom of the mockers insecurities. He does a lot of work out of the camera's eye which goes unreported. He's a better man than many that call him 'shrek'.



a small amendment to my original point which allows for the moral indignation to be valid and I take your point

our footballing 'heroes' are rarely heroes in real life though are they? So many indiscretions, so many column inches, so much hypocrisy. It's almost enough to make you want to just support true heroes like Marathin Running, Charity Supporting, Sir Jimmy Saville.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on October 28, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
Planting studs in an opponent's chest is just a yellow card eh?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 28, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
It wasn't even a yellow in the Tyne wear derby last week when Sebastian larsson went neck high.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ricardov83 on October 28, 2012, 06:30:39 PM
Thought clattenburg had an excellent game.

Good to see refs coming down hard on simulation. My only concern is that they react too aggressively to the FA directive and become over zealous in trying To find a dive in every tackle.

Torres shafted my fantasy football team but I was glad to see him walk.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: DungBeetle on October 28, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
Clattenburg, as usual, was determined to be star of the show.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: aaron1867 on October 28, 2012, 06:47:49 PM
Looking foward to MOTD tonight!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: aaron1867 on October 28, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
Looking foward to MOTD tonight!

If anyone is going to cost United the title, then it's going to be De gea.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on October 28, 2012, 11:04:51 PM
Whole backline is poor


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: aaron1867 on October 28, 2012, 11:09:59 PM
I wouldn't say it's poor, but doesn't help when you have De Gea in the net.

Chelsea defence looks a bit dodgy at times, but Cech is in another league to De Gea, although Cech nowhere near as good as he was a couple of years ago.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 28, 2012, 11:39:01 PM
best keeper in prem? krul?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on October 28, 2012, 11:42:22 PM
best keeper in prem? krul?
Hart?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 28, 2012, 11:48:42 PM
yeh you're right


              hart

Cole   collocini  kompany bale


              yaya

         shelvey suso

hazard               ben arfa

             carroll

best team in prem?






Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 28, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
maybe rooney for shelvey and rvp for carroll, first is my fave team though.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on October 28, 2012, 11:50:49 PM
yeh you're right


              hart

Cole   collocini  kompany bale


              yaya

         shelvey suso

hazard               ben arfa

             carroll

best team in prem?






Was going to take that seriously till I saw the striker...



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 28, 2012, 11:53:14 PM
i literally couldnt think of a striker then afterwards thought ohhh rooney+rvp


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on October 28, 2012, 11:53:31 PM
lol pleno wtf?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: toddswain on October 28, 2012, 11:55:54 PM
Lol pads, people dont fall for your levels anymore


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pleno1 on October 28, 2012, 11:59:45 PM
im serious. obv rvp > carroll though, like i said i ttly forgot. rest is relatively std.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on October 29, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
Whole backline is poor

Having Jones, Smalling and Vidic back would help...
Buttner looks promising and a combination of Valencia and Rafael on the right is better than most alternative selections.




Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on October 29, 2012, 09:17:09 AM
im serious. obv rvp > carroll though, like i said i ttly forgot. rest is relatively std.

shelvey suso?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on October 29, 2012, 01:23:08 PM
Any team without Fellaini in it is just wrong.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on October 29, 2012, 01:28:45 PM
shelvey
suso
carroll

have to be mickey takes

Bale left back in the team and A Cole at rb in the team too, nooooooooooo!

Collocini, better judges than me rate highly, so won't reprise that debate!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TL900 on October 29, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
im serious. obv rvp > carroll though, like i said i ttly forgot. rest is relatively std.

shelvey suso?

i lol'd too


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on October 29, 2012, 01:36:36 PM
shelvey
suso
carroll

have to be mickey takes

Bale left back in the team and A Cole at rb in the team too, nooooooooooo!

Collocini, better judges than me rate highly, so won't reprise that debate!


Half the team is out of position! Agree with 4 of those. Maybe.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Dubai on October 29, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
I'd take Cazorla with one foot, you can choose which, on crutches over Shelvey


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on October 29, 2012, 04:57:18 PM
Any team without Fellaini in it is just wrong.

All of this.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 04, 2012, 10:15:32 AM
I'm disappointed, van Persil seems pretty easy to dislike and I'm inclined to take the easy option here.



I was, not perhaps for the first time, very very very wrong.

this is all


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on November 04, 2012, 12:02:39 PM
Were Fergie's comments mind games yday ?

I thought you played incred and should've won by 5 or 6.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 04, 2012, 12:33:09 PM
Were Fergie's comments mind games yday ?

I thought you played incred and should've won by 5 or 6.

Wasn't that what he said?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on November 04, 2012, 02:00:51 PM
Any team without Fellaini in it is just wrong.

All of this.

I feel a bit dirty saying it but Fellaini is my favourite foootballer right now. Surely Utd have to be tempted?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on November 07, 2012, 10:36:05 PM
Oh my word

How do we get away with that?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Josedinho on December 23, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
if he keeps fit he will be one of the best signings off the past few years! Im still so excited when i see him play im like a kid at crisstmas!
So far signing of the season and glad to have him now especially as rooney is out!
Hey my names Michu,
this statements crazy
I was £22million cheaper
consider me maybe?
Are we all now agreed?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: 77dave on December 23, 2012, 05:51:13 PM
Hope they throw the book at fergie


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 23, 2012, 05:52:01 PM
For what?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Skgv on December 23, 2012, 05:55:18 PM
For what?
being scottish


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: 77dave on December 23, 2012, 06:00:35 PM
For what?

Old Trafford chief Ferguson claims the Dutchman could have been killed during the incident.
“The referee has had one of those days where we’re not going to get anything off him," he told Sky Sports. "He had a shocking performance today.
"I know he’s a young referee but I was disappointed in his performance. The Robin van Persie situation is crazy, the referee clearly sees it and van Persie could have been killed.
"I think the FA have got to look into it, irrespective of the yellow card. He should be banned for a long time because that is the most dangerous thing I have ever seen on a football field for many, many years.
"It was deliberate, the whistle has gone, the game has stopped and he’s done that right in front of the referee, he could have killed the lad. It’s a disgraceful act and he should be banned for a long time.”


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: maldini32 on December 23, 2012, 06:04:13 PM
#PrayForRvp


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on December 23, 2012, 06:11:53 PM
#PrayForRvp


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on December 23, 2012, 06:14:14 PM


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 23, 2012, 06:22:58 PM
#inFergiewetrust


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: 77dave on December 23, 2012, 06:27:06 PM
#inFergiewetrust

#fergieinthestandswetrust


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 23, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
#gtfo haters.

#midtablelolpool fans

#championshipleedsfans


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on December 23, 2012, 06:32:36 PM
I guess that's why Nasri was ducking out of the wall the other week.

He could have been killed..

I reckon Fergies little grey cells are finally turning the same colour as his hooter.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on December 23, 2012, 06:44:41 PM


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on December 23, 2012, 07:03:59 PM
 When the ball hits your head and you could have been dead, it's Van Persie

#prayforRVP


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 23, 2012, 07:19:31 PM
Fergie drops a smokescreen comment into post-match interview and all the usual suspects surface like pavlov's dogs salivating at the sound.

Top of the league at Christmas :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on December 23, 2012, 07:22:18 PM
Fergie looked to be almost salivating to me! Steam coming from his ears, I thought his head might explode, can confirm nose was still red!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Karabiner on December 23, 2012, 07:32:00 PM
Fergie drops a smokescreen comment into post-match interview and all the usual suspects surface like pavlov's dogs salivating at the sound.

Top of the league at Christmas :)


You're obviously smoking what he's smoking David.

x


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on December 23, 2012, 10:24:04 PM
He came back from the dead, came back from the dead, not from a gun shot, but a ball in the head #PrayForRVP


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: JK on December 28, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Heard rumors that we've completed a deal to sign Lewandowski from Dortmund for £18m.

First of all, why? Secondly, where does this leave Hernandez? Surely he wont stick around to be second string sub. Danny Welbeck HAS to go too surely. We have 10001 problems with the team, and Fergie tries to fix the one thing we dont have a problem with?!

Quote
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2253593/Robert-Lewandowski-set-sign-Manchester-United.html


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 28, 2012, 11:17:44 AM
Seems like one for the future and might
Mean Rooney gets pulled back into midfield. Agree With other priorities:

Keeper
Centre back
Left back
2 quality midfielders (one box to box enforcer)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 28, 2012, 11:22:45 AM
Priorities

keep Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling and Jones fully fit.

keep RvP fit





Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on December 28, 2012, 11:39:03 AM
Gottalove the SAF mindgames, describing NUFC as a "wee club in the North East" in a rant about Pardew this morning


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 28, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
Vidic- seems injury prone
Ferdinand- has been our best defender but not as good as he once was
Smalling/jones- shown potential but nothing to write home about

I would actually prefer saf to stick jones at cb alongside rio or vidic and get rid of Evans. Never rated him.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on December 28, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
Vidic- seems injury prone
Ferdinand- has been our best defender but not as good as he once was
Smalling/jones- shown potential but nothing to write home about

I would actually prefer saf to stick jones at cb alongside rio or vidic and get rid of Evans. Never rated him.

Vidic was pretty consistently present from joining us up to the knee injury half way through the 2011/12 season and has had a slow and complicated recovery since then.
Be happy to get 30+ games from him

Evans? I'd keep him, he's versatile and capable enough.
Smalling/Jones - both suffered from being out for long spells and should progress now they are fit and playing.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on December 28, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
I don't have the same confidence as you I'm afraid. Think sheer spirit and guts has got is through with very little quality.

Play like this much longer and real with murder us and man city will catch us.

Hope he invests in a keeper at least


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 10, 2013, 10:45:34 AM
Now this would be interesting!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20930630

Lampard has at least two seasons left in him but I suspect that the story is more about persuading CFC into making an offer.


Looking forward to Sunday like this  ;scarymoment;


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on January 10, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
Got tickets again this season for the Liverpool game, although we are row 17 out of 19 in the third tier  :P

Last season was buzzing given the Suarez situation etc so fingers crossed it is just as good this season.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: BorntoBubble on January 10, 2013, 07:16:56 PM
Got tickets again this season for the Liverpool game, although we are row 17 out of 19 in the third tier  :P

Last season was buzzing given the Suarez situation etc so fingers crossed it is just as good this season.
can get noisey back there in big games!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 10, 2013, 07:43:20 PM
Gottalove the SAF mindgames, describing NUFC as a "wee club in the North East" in a rant about Pardew this morning

Just saw this now, you might be leveling, so excuse me if I'm taking the bait, but you don't really buy into that whole mind games malarky do you? If yes, please explain how calling Newcastle a Wee club was anything other than a bitter and hypocritical rant? Or what where the 'mind games' gonna achieve by saying what he did?



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 10, 2013, 07:47:53 PM
Sweet sweet potato. U a Liverpool fan right? Did u not see rafas fact speech? Or keegans rant? They don't exist tho these mind games


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 10, 2013, 07:48:56 PM
In fact Mancini pulled a blinder in the mind game dept last year when he kept describing united as favourites


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 10, 2013, 07:50:59 PM
Sweet sweet potato. U a Liverpool fan right? Did u not see rafas fact speech? Or keegans rant? They don't exist tho these mind games

Yeh, Liverpool fan, I saw both Rafas and Keegans speeches, don't really understand the last part of your post.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on January 10, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
Ah I geddit now

Keegan lost the plot because he felt insulted by something Fergie said which was bang out of order IIRC, but I doubt if affected KK's team or him as a manager, so yeah he got under KK's skin with a snidey remark, not mind games IMO!

Same goes for Rafa, although all he did was say things that all the PL managers that pander to Fergie would loved to have had the bottle to say themselves, Liverpool coincidentally went on a bad run after it, but if you wanna believe that the players were thinking about what Rafa said or anything that Fergie says and it put them off their game then go ahead, balderdash imo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 10, 2013, 08:13:39 PM
Yup all coincidence. Ofc. Coincidentally united have won 19 titles


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: BorntoBubble on January 10, 2013, 08:29:30 PM
Fergie is a master at these mind games! He knows what he is doing every time he speaks to the press yes he has overstepped the mark sometimes but it's all part of the game! When you have been doing a job for as long as him you know all the tricks in the book people are naive if they think they achieve nothing!

Sadly that Italian fella that wears the blue scarf he is pretty good at the also!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on January 10, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
Got tickets again this season for the Liverpool game, although we are row 17 out of 19 in the third tier  :P

Last season was buzzing given the Suarez situation etc so fingers crossed it is just as good this season.
can get noisey back there in big games!

 :) Sat on row 19 for a the 8-2 win vs Arsenal. Do you go often Bubble?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: BorntoBubble on January 10, 2013, 09:52:15 PM
Got tickets again this season for the Liverpool game, although we are row 17 out of 19 in the third tier  :P

Last season was buzzing given the Suarez situation etc so fingers crossed it is just as good this season.
can get noisey back there in big games!

 :) Sat on row 19 for a the 8-2 win vs Arsenal. Do you go often Bubble?

Sadly not as much anymore since i have moved away from home looked at getting a season ticket this year with my bro but couldnt justify the costs. £1000 for the ticket and probably another £1000 in travel costs for me. Will have to wait till i live back in manchester. about 5 years ago i used to get to about 10-20 games a season not to shabby without a season ticket!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 13, 2013, 02:01:07 PM
OK OK

The time has come for me to declare my position. I had my doubts, I tarred him with the Arsenal & Dutch labels so must be a douche like Bergkamp, but I was wrong, I admit it.

I <3 RvP


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: ruud on January 13, 2013, 02:20:12 PM
 What's going on with the state of the pitch?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 13, 2013, 02:24:52 PM
How is it only 1-0?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 13, 2013, 02:31:59 PM
Hate that backheel.  Surely a smash from that range?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 13, 2013, 02:51:19 PM
Hate that backheel.  Surely a smash from that range?

Back to goal, beat the keeper, and he is RvP, proclaimed confirmed as genius if it goes in


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 13, 2013, 02:56:11 PM
How is it only 2-0?


fmp


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 13, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
C'mon Arsenal!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 20, 2013, 04:36:59 PM
RvP!!!

Timing was bad though, I was just in the process of seeing how the odds had shifted given Tottingham's decent start when the goal went in.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on January 20, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
He is world class but the way he hit the ground running with Utd is remarkable.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 20, 2013, 06:06:59 PM
I'm sick of the shitty goal keepers united buy

Alway been a problem

Van der sar and schmichael are the only exceptions

De gea was incred on champ manager also!!!!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 20, 2013, 08:40:42 PM
I'm sick of the shitty goal keepers united buy

Alway been a problem

Van der sar and schmichael are the only exceptions

De gea was incred on champ manager also!!!!

Stepney was pretty useful


De gea will get there


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 20, 2013, 09:09:38 PM
Baffles me why they just don't buy proven keepers. Spurs got Lloris for 10 mill. Even Fridel for free last summer along with De Gea would have been a good signing


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 21, 2013, 09:38:50 PM
Tim Howard also.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 22, 2013, 04:32:20 AM
I'm sick of the shitty goal keepers united buy

Alway been a problem

Van der sar and schmichael are the only exceptions

De gea was incred on champ manager also!!!!

Stepney was pretty useful


De gea will get there

This^^

Oh and Gary Bailey knew how to save penalties.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 22, 2013, 04:34:15 AM
Tim Howard also.

Been there..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 22, 2013, 07:15:23 AM
Baffles me why they just don't buy proven keepers. Spurs got Lloris for 10 mill. Even Fridel for free last summer along with De Gea would have been a good signing

Maybe someone who has a Euro and World Cup Winners medal?

Fabien Barthez for example?

Clubs don't buy many goalkeepers, and you and Ho seem to think that life began with Schmeichel. He, by the way, had very little on his cv when we bought him whilst Barthez was a Euro and WC winner.

We had a couple of mis-steps between Schmeichel and van der Saar, but we won titles along the way and SAF is a far shrewder judge of talent than any of us.

DeGea made some good saves on Sunday and keeps improving. Keep the faith guys.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: aaron1867 on January 22, 2013, 07:26:32 AM
Baffles me why they just don't buy proven keepers. Spurs got Lloris for 10 mill. Even Fridel for free last summer along with De Gea would have been a good signing

Maybe someone who has a Euro and World Cup Winners medal?

Fabien Barthez for example?

Clubs don't buy many goalkeepers, and you and Ho seem to think that life began with Schmeichel. He, by the way, had very little on his cv when we bought him whilst Barthez was a Euro and WC winner.

We had a couple of mis-steps between Schmeichel and van der Saar, but we won titles along the way and SAF is a far shrewder judge of talent than any of us.

DeGea made some good saves on Sunday and keeps improving. Keep the faith guys.

He should be getting there now though, after 18 months?

He makes too many clangers in games and I would go as far as saying at least 1 goal in 2 or 3 is the keepers fault.

Gomes at Spurs was a great example of a goalkeeper who could make great saves, but the clangers was too often & a change in goalkeeper for them and massive improvement really.

Although goalkeeping standard in this league is poor. Cech nowhere near as good as 4 years ago, Hart is very sloppy, Reina also getting sloppy, not seen enough of Arsenal keeper to say that much! Spurs & Everton are the only teams up there who are reliable who are up there.

I also said earlier about Madrid/United game saying United would be favourites considering being group winners, league leaders & Madrid the exact opposite. I have to go back on that & say defence and goalkeeper are in for a long game in Madrid now, every team has so many chances against them now


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 22, 2013, 12:26:00 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: aaron1867 on January 22, 2013, 12:58:59 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Can you afford to wait a couple more years.

A good shot stopper yes, but makes so many errors. I said it previously look at the difference replacing Gomes did for Spurs.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MahoganyVic on January 22, 2013, 01:22:02 PM
Don't really understand all the hate for De Gea. At games he tends to get a load of stick from the home crowd too.  He has made some amazing saves, and his mistakes recently havent been absolute howlers. He is clearly improving and will only get better


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Supernova on January 22, 2013, 01:29:33 PM
I think the lad will get there, he's only 22 for goodness sake!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 22, 2013, 01:31:27 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Can you afford to wait a couple more years.

A good shot stopper yes, but makes so many errors. I said it previously look at the difference replacing Gomes did for Spurs.

Most of this is from his first season...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_suVWoXQ34

as for mistakes - I've watched United since I was 9 yrs old and trust me, Schmeichel had his dodgy moments like the cup game against Barnsley in 98 as did Van der Saar

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu-cKqqU3Vk


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Alverton on January 22, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
Don't understand the hate for DeGea.  A season as Van der sar understudy would have done him the world of good. Nevertheless has, and will continue to improve, on top of being one of the best keepers in the PL already.  Also has had to contend with a Lolbad ever changing back four compared to Utd defences gone by.


In the history books, sun result should go down as a 1-1 draw away to the 4th place team in the PL, on the same wkend as ur nearest rival beat a bottom half team at home. Not De Gea shitbvcnjjhfdsshnmjhgdssdwqnmkk.

Seriously you got it this year.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on January 22, 2013, 01:54:27 PM
There is nothing wrong with De Gea

He took a hammering from the press when he first arrived - and obv made 2-3 howlers in his first 10 games.

Just look at the GA column in the league table - we'll be ok.

If the kid could just fill out a little and then learn to thrown his arms around he could be fearsome. A bit of bulk and giving some strikers what they give to him would improve his game no end!

Oh - and maybe learning to catch instead of punch, but i know this arguement goes both ways! I fall on the English side of the fence, no the Euro


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: c4ught on January 22, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
There is nothing wrong with De Gea

He took a hammering from the press when he first arrived - and obv made 2-3 howlers in his first 10 games.

Just look at the GA column in the league table - we'll be ok.

If the kid could just fill out a little and then learn to thrown his arms around he could be fearsome. A bit of bulk and giving some strikers what they give to him would improve his game no end!

Oh - and maybe learning to catch instead of punch, but i know this arguement goes both ways! I fall on the English side of the fence, no the Euro

+1 to this. If he is coming for a cross I just want him to mow down anything in his path. Just doesn't appear to have the confidence to do it or maybe the strength to do it?

Is a shame he made a few mistakes early on as this is what everyone remembers.

I heard at the weekend if Torres bagged 20 goals for Chelsea this season or next it would be to late and wouldn't change how the fans feel.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 22, 2013, 03:27:10 PM
Valdes for a season or two, hear he's not signed a new contract, that would be good for the team and De Gea.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 22, 2013, 03:59:09 PM
My point is that he's not a number 1 yet. I don't think it would have done any harm to get someone with more experience to help him transition.

I agree that he is an unbelievable shot stopper but you have to command your area to be a great keeper and at the moment he doesn't have that presence or authority. Personally I'm not convinced he ever will. Like others have said tho he is a glint in his dads eye in terms of a goalkeepers age so only time will tell.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 22, 2013, 05:36:40 PM
Is Zaha good? Not seen him play


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on January 22, 2013, 05:44:58 PM
Is Zaha good? Not seen him play

Ask Ant.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: tikay on January 22, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
Is Zaha good? Not seen him play

Ask Ant.

Probably not a good idea if you want an impartial view........


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 22, 2013, 06:21:12 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 22, 2013, 07:13:32 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.

debate over guys, The Baron has spoken.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 22, 2013, 07:30:23 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.

debate over guys, The Baron has spoken.

Miaow!

It's only footy debate no need for the bitters innit. :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 22, 2013, 07:31:11 PM
Actually agree with baron. Hope I'm wrong. Whatever the case he wasn't worth 18 million


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 23, 2013, 11:11:41 AM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.

Lol, shot stopping is part of it, a big part, and as for standard shot stoppers, that's a pretty ridiculous statement, there's no doubt De Gea is one of the best in that department, as for the other areas of goalkeeping, distribution is good, and clearly he needs to work on his presence in the box at corners, but apart from that there's no way we will know for a few years. Goalkeepers reach their prime later, he's only 22, plenty of time to develop into a great keeper.

With whispers that Valdes is coming our way that development will if it happens help with his development too.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 23, 2013, 11:16:39 AM
 The impatience of the modern football fan is often proven premature.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MANTIS01 on January 23, 2013, 11:26:12 AM
That presence attribute is a pretty big deal though. The whole back four can start struggling with confidence and communication if the keeper's presence isn't assured. If you think back to the great Arsenal defence an integral part of that was the surity of Seaman. I think £17m to find out in a few years if he can command his area is an expensive gamble for one of the world's top sides. Not being able to collect the ball in his own 6-yard box is a big problem. Continental keepers always seem to struggle with this fundamental and perhaps SAF rues letting Ben Foster go. Think he would like De Gea and Nani for Ronaldo swapsy now.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 23, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
That presence attribute is a pretty big deal though. The whole back four can start struggling with confidence and communication if the keeper's presence isn't assured. If you think back to the great Arsenal defence an integral part of that was the surity of Seaman. I think £17m to find out in a few years if he can command his area is an expensive gamble for one of the world's top sides. Not being able to collect the ball in his own 6-yard box is a big problem. Continental keepers always seem to struggle with this fundamental and perhaps SAF rues letting Ben Foster go. Think he would like De Gea and Nani for Ronaldo swapsy now.

Agreed paying that much was a bit of a gamble, adn at first I wasn't a fan, now though he's improved, is working hard, and is improving in this area, he's going to be the finished article imho. I think the only thing SAF regrets when it comes to keepers is not signing Joe Hart for £200k  ;)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 23, 2013, 12:31:49 PM
While i think of it, can his save last season from Mata's free kick ever be described as standard. Just involved in a discussion elsewhere where some stats http://soccerlens.com/david-de-gea-joe-hart/76849/ (http://soccerlens.com/david-de-gea-joe-hart/76849/) comparing his mistakes to Joe Harts, have been posted, interesting..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on January 23, 2013, 11:30:06 PM
Is Zaha good? Not seen him play

Ask Ant.

Probably not a good idea if you want an impartial view........

You wouldn't give that warning for another supporter of their team, so what is it about me that makes you think I am overly biased?

Put my points across with gusto, but I am as impartial as any other fan for their team imo.

I think it is probably because I have said that Zaha has been absolutely sensational at times and I have likened him to a young Christiano Ronaldo on the Palace and Championship thread.

Both players bought for similar amounts, both were raw young talents, and both had the propensity to take the piss out of Championship backlines a la Ronaldo in the FA cup final against Millwall. You may think I am being a bit OTT, but why would Ferguson be spending this much on him if he doesn't think he is special?

Latest news ---- http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/23/wilfried-zaha-manchester-united


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Marky147 on January 23, 2013, 11:42:52 PM
Is Zaha good? Not seen him play

Ask Ant.

Probably not a good idea if you want an impartial view........

You wouldn't give that warning for another supporter of their team, so what is it about me that makes you think I am overly biased?

Put my points across with gusto, but I am as impartial as any other fan for their team imo.

I'd say that there isn't a member here as overtly passionate in their posting about their club, but you are definitely not impartial m8.

Your posts are great reading, but you have got those glasses on,... Have to say it was com to see you put up Palace as value every game for a month on TfT though <3


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on January 23, 2013, 11:59:36 PM
lol, yeh i know i am not impartial haven't claimed that I am, but no one is impartial about the team they support.

In TfT I think i must have backed palace to win about 6 times and I think only one didn't come in. That never gets said, but the amount of times I put them up to be backed does! Ha.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Marky147 on January 24, 2013, 02:44:21 AM
lol, yeh i know i am not impartial haven't claimed that I am, but no one is impartial about the team they support.

In TfT I think i must have backed palace to win about 6 times and I think only one didn't come in. That never gets said, but the amount of times I put them up to be backed does! Ha.

What I meant to say was that I think you're definitely less impartial than many other fans here, but I know no fans are impartial. Regardless, this is obviously just my opinion and means squat :D

I remember you put them up every game for a while  saying you thought they were value at whatever the price and great that they came in of course. Kind of  moot that they did win though, because for TfT it's about value in the price and iirc most of the time there wasn't perceived to be any.














Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on January 24, 2013, 03:12:16 AM
lol, yeh i know i am not impartial haven't claimed that I am, but no one is impartial about the team they support.

In TfT I think i must have backed palace to win about 6 times and I think only one didn't come in. That never gets said, but the amount of times I put them up to be backed does! Ha.

What I meant to say was that I think you're definitely less impartial than many other fans here, but I know no fans are impartial. Regardless, this is obviously just my opinion and means squat :D

I remember you put them up every game for a while  saying you thought they were value at whatever the price and great that they came in of course. Kind of  moot that they did win though, because for TfT it's about value in the price and iirc most of the time there wasn't perceived to be any.














Ok I agree.

Would say Derby, Wolves and Ipswich suggestions were value and the others probably not! But I wasn't to be trusted as I wasn't set out as a value hunter was I! :)

Gonna just take the hit as the mad Palace fan on here and feel good about it.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on January 24, 2013, 10:41:41 AM
It's great that you show passion for Palace in the same way Patrick does with Newcastle. It brings a smile to people's faces Ant so that's gotta be a good thing.

Keep up the passion


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 24, 2013, 11:29:01 AM
Zaha having a medical at OT in the next 48 hours. Kinda the end Of Crystal Palace's remote dreams of Premiership football I'd say.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Royal Flush on January 24, 2013, 11:30:41 AM
Zaha having a medical at OT in the next 48 hours. Kinda the end Of Crystal Palace's remote dreams of Premiership football I'd say.

He's staying at the club on loan so it makes no real difference.

The problem is the expectancy for Palace to be in the Prem has been blown way out of proportion. They had a good start, there are teams that do that every year, then dont make the playoffs. Brighton last year for example.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: AdamM on January 24, 2013, 11:36:25 AM
The answer to the goal keeping issue
http://newsthump.com/2013/01/24/sir-alex-ferguson-to-replace-de-gea-with-swansea-city-ball-boy/


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Marky147 on January 24, 2013, 11:49:27 AM
Ok I agree.

Would say Derby, Wolves and Ipswich suggestions were value and the others probably not! But I wasn't to be trusted as I wasn't set out as a value hunter was I! :)

Gonna just take the hit as the mad Palace fan on here and feel good about it.

Don't get me wrong I think you're a hero, it's plain to see how much you love Palace and I enjoy reading the posts :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 24, 2013, 12:03:22 PM
Zaha having a medical at OT in the next 48 hours. Kinda the end Of Crystal Palace's remote dreams of Premiership football I'd say.

He's staying at the club on loan so it makes no real difference.

The problem is the expectancy for Palace to be in the Prem has been blown way out of proportion. They had a good start, there are teams that do that every year, then dont make the playoffs. Brighton last year for example.



hehe, did i miss out that fact, sorry Palace fans. It's a painful thought but Millwall probably have more chance than Palace of seeing premiership football.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 24, 2013, 06:34:18 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.

Lol, shot stopping is part of it, a big part, and as for standard shot stoppers, that's a pretty ridiculous statement, there's no doubt De Gea is one of the best in that department, as for the other areas of goalkeeping, distribution is good, and clearly he needs to work on his presence in the box at corners, but apart from that there's no way we will know for a few years. Goalkeepers reach their prime later, he's only 22, plenty of time to develop into a great keeper.

With whispers that Valdes is coming our way that development will if it happens help with his development too.

It's not a lol statement. If you've been a keeper 15+ years your shot stopping should be exceptional in a top league. Using the most fundamental attribute needed to be a keeper as a reason for potential greatness is a bit thin as an argument.

I do rate him as a keeper FWIW. But great keepers are rarely suddenly great at 30. They're usually ridic good by their early 20s. Their decision making and coolness will improve, undoubtedly. I just can't seem him being a Utd keeper in 5 years.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: pokerfan on January 24, 2013, 06:36:30 PM
Reina to Man Utd ?



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 25, 2013, 12:39:35 AM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.

Lol, shot stopping is part of it, a big part, and as for standard shot stoppers, that's a pretty ridiculous statement, there's no doubt De Gea is one of the best in that department, as for the other areas of goalkeeping, distribution is good, and clearly he needs to work on his presence in the box at corners, but apart from that there's no way we will know for a few years. Goalkeepers reach their prime later, he's only 22, plenty of time to develop into a great keeper.

With whispers that Valdes is coming our way that development will if it happens help with his development too.

It's not a lol statement. If you've been a keeper 15+ years your shot stopping should be exceptional in a top league. Using the most fundamental attribute needed to be a keeper as a reason for potential greatness is a bit thin as an argument.

I do rate him as a keeper FWIW. But great keepers are rarely suddenly great at 30. They're usually ridic good by their early 20s. Their decision making and coolness will improve, undoubtedly. I just can't seem him being a Utd keeper in 5 years.


You contradict yourself, I remember now there's a reason I stopped discussing football with Scouse lovers. And there are many keepers not amazing at his age who went on to become greats.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on January 25, 2013, 01:14:50 AM
Will add my two cents and agree with most of what the Baron is saying. I just don't see it in him, but I would love to be wrong.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 26, 2013, 02:57:14 AM
Here is a list of the top 10 keepers in Europe this season based save success rate.

1. Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich) – 18 apps – 85.1%

2. Salvatore Sirigu (PSG) – 19 caps – 83.3%

3. Gerhard Tremmel (Swansea) – 10 apps – 81.5%

4. David De Gea (Manchester United) – 15 apps – 78.7%

5. Wilfredo Caballero (Malaga) – 20 apps – 78.7%

6. Ali Ahamada (Toulouse) – 20 apps – 77.2%

7. Petr Cech (Chelsea) – 22 apps – 77.2%

8. Cedric Carrasso (Bordeaux) – 21 apps – 76.5%

9. Tono (Granada) – 15 apps – 76.4%

10. Fabian Giefer (Dusseldorf) – 18 apps – 76%


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 26, 2013, 10:33:33 AM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.

Lol, shot stopping is part of it, a big part, and as for standard shot stoppers, that's a pretty ridiculous statement, there's no doubt De Gea is one of the best in that department, as for the other areas of goalkeeping, distribution is good, and clearly he needs to work on his presence in the box at corners, but apart from that there's no way we will know for a few years. Goalkeepers reach their prime later, he's only 22, plenty of time to develop into a great keeper.

With whispers that Valdes is coming our way that development will if it happens help with his development too.

It's not a lol statement. If you've been a keeper 15+ years your shot stopping should be exceptional in a top league. Using the most fundamental attribute needed to be a keeper as a reason for potential greatness is a bit thin as an argument.

I do rate him as a keeper FWIW. But great keepers are rarely suddenly great at 30. They're usually ridic good by their early 20s. Their decision making and coolness will improve, undoubtedly. I just can't seem him being a Utd keeper in 5 years.


You contradict yourself, I remember now there's a reason I stopped discussing football with Scouse lovers. And there are many keepers not amazing at his age who went on to become greats.

In the modern game? Like who?

Happy to argue footy with anyone regardless of tribe. :-)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 26, 2013, 01:34:55 PM
Why should De Gea be 'getting there' after 18 months, I think he has improved a lot, in the areas he needed too. No keeper gets it right all the time, expecially one who had has to sit behind our defence for the last 18 months. He's simply on of the best shot stoppers in the world, needs a ronaldo type gym routine to bulk up, but apart form that, and a couple more years (yes at least that long), I can see him being with us for years.
 
Barcelona seem to think so too.

Shot stopping is a pretty standard talent for any keeper and terrible keepers have been great shot stoppers. I like De Gea but he'll never, ever be a great goalkeeper.

Lol, shot stopping is part of it, a big part, and as for standard shot stoppers, that's a pretty ridiculous statement, there's no doubt De Gea is one of the best in that department, as for the other areas of goalkeeping, distribution is good, and clearly he needs to work on his presence in the box at corners, but apart from that there's no way we will know for a few years. Goalkeepers reach their prime later, he's only 22, plenty of time to develop into a great keeper.

With whispers that Valdes is coming our way that development will if it happens help with his development too.

It's not a lol statement. If you've been a keeper 15+ years your shot stopping should be exceptional in a top league. Using the most fundamental attribute needed to be a keeper as a reason for potential greatness is a bit thin as an argument.

I do rate him as a keeper FWIW. But great keepers are rarely suddenly great at 30. They're usually ridic good by their early 20s. Their decision making and coolness will improve, undoubtedly. I just can't seem him being a Utd keeper in 5 years.


You contradict yourself, I remember now there's a reason I stopped discussing football with Scouse lovers. And there are many keepers not amazing at his age who went on to become greats.

In the modern game? Like who?

Happy to argue footy with anyone regardless of tribe. :-)

Well we didn't sign Schmeichel until he was about 28.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 26, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 26, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: dwayne110 on January 26, 2013, 07:59:20 PM
I'm a United fan but imo the deal Palace have got for Zaha is brilliant business, £10m upfront for potential with £5 extra in add-ons.... he's scored 14 goals in 78 games in the last 2 seasons which given he's described as a winger/striker seems pretty low productivity wise? He may improve etc but it's a hefty upfront fee. As a comparion, the lad Countinho who Liverpool have just signed is costing £8.5m, bought from Inter with more proven pedigree (scored 5 in 16 from midfield for Espanyol in La Liga, a team who were battling relegation)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: outragous76 on January 27, 2013, 05:17:22 PM
I mean Oldham is technically Manchester!   ;D


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on January 28, 2013, 08:47:36 AM
I'm a United fan but imo the deal Palace have got for Zaha is brilliant business, £10m upfront for potential with £5 extra in add-ons.... he's scored 14 goals in 78 games in the last 2 seasons which given he's described as a winger/striker seems pretty low productivity wise? He may improve etc but it's a hefty upfront fee. As a comparion, the lad Countinho who Liverpool have just signed is costing £8.5m, bought from Inter with more proven pedigree (scored 5 in 16 from midfield for Espanyol in La Liga, a team who were battling relegation)

I have likened him to a young Christiano Ronaldo, in his flair. His finishing is woeful and if it was at just an average level he would have so many more goals. His final ball for assisting too, needs more work. However, I haven't seen anyone like him, at full pelt, get past players with as much ease as he does and that is what Ferguson sees in him and that is why he is forking out that much.

I think you have a fair deal at the very least on your hands, and should you take the fact, that you are paying so much for a 20 year old, means that his potential can be enriched at one of the best clubs in the world, to a level of being world class.

I am gutted to see him go and can't see him ever failing at Man U. He is so young and if he develops a final ball and finish, then it's just not right what he could go on to achieve. Consider too his flair and strength should get better in time too, scary.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 28, 2013, 08:53:55 AM
I'm a United fan but imo the deal Palace have got for Zaha is brilliant business, £10m upfront for potential with £5 extra in add-ons.... he's scored 14 goals in 78 games in the last 2 seasons which given he's described as a winger/striker seems pretty low productivity wise? He may improve etc but it's a hefty upfront fee. As a comparion, the lad Countinho who Liverpool have just signed is costing £8.5m, bought from Inter with more proven pedigree (scored 5 in 16 from midfield for Espanyol in La Liga, a team who were battling relegation)

I have likened him to a young Christiano Ronaldo, in his flair. His finishing is woeful and if it was at just an average level he would have so many more goals. His final ball for assisting too, needs more work. However, I haven't seen anyone like him, at full pelt, get past players with as much ease as he does and that is what Ferguson sees in him and that is why he is forking out that much.

I think you have a fair deal at the very least on your hands, and should you take the fact, that you are paying so much for a 20 year old, means that his potential can be enriched at one of the best clubs in the world, to a level of being world class.

I am gutted to see him go and can't see him ever failing at Man U. He is so young and if he develops a final ball and finish, then it's just not right what he could go on to achieve. Consider too his flair and strength should get better in time too, scary.

hmmm there's a pretty long list of players who didn't 'train on' at Old Trafford. Ronaldo is almost an exception...



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 28, 2013, 06:16:08 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 28, 2013, 11:20:02 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.

I'm hardly changing my argument, peak, become great, already one of the top keeps in the world in some departments, however you want to try and win this argument, you can't, as I said look at all keepers, the greats made mistakes, and as for not ever being great, have you actually seen anything but those sad little videos made by bindippers who have very little to say now they've been made to eat all the words the used to brag with in the 80's. Pointless to argue with you when the blinkers are so clearly fixed on,,


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 28, 2013, 11:36:30 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.

I'm hardly changing my argument, peak, become great, already one of the top keeps in the world in some departments, however you want to try and win this argument, you can't, as I said look at all keepers, the greats made mistakes, and as for not ever being great, have you actually seen anything but those sad little videos made by bindippers who have very little to say now they've been made to eat all the words the used to brag with in the 80's. Pointless to argue with you when the blinkers are so clearly fixed on,,

Keepers who were ridiculously good in their 20s include Mervin Day, Ben Foster, Chris Wood(s?), the aussie one we bought who got above himself whose name escapes me, Taibi (oh how I wish I could forget him)
De Gea is already a pretty good keeper and is only just 22 yrs old.

Can we return to this debate in May 2014?? Make a note in our diaries?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 28, 2013, 11:41:32 PM
bosnich?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 29, 2013, 07:10:37 AM
bosnich?

of course

age affected memory failure or comedic device? you decide :-)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 30, 2013, 09:21:20 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.

I'm hardly changing my argument, peak, become great, already one of the top keeps in the world in some departments, however you want to try and win this argument, you can't, as I said look at all keepers, the greats made mistakes, and as for not ever being great, have you actually seen anything but those sad little videos made by bindippers who have very little to say now they've been made to eat all the words the used to brag with in the 80's. Pointless to argue with you when the blinkers are so clearly fixed on,,

No, you are I'm afraid. He's not a "great" keeper. He's good. One of the better ones in the league. But never, ever great.

Perhaps our definitions of "great" are miles apart.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on January 30, 2013, 09:22:24 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.

I'm hardly changing my argument, peak, become great, already one of the top keeps in the world in some departments, however you want to try and win this argument, you can't, as I said look at all keepers, the greats made mistakes, and as for not ever being great, have you actually seen anything but those sad little videos made by bindippers who have very little to say now they've been made to eat all the words the used to brag with in the 80's. Pointless to argue with you when the blinkers are so clearly fixed on,,

Keepers who were ridiculously good in their 20s include Mervin Day, Ben Foster, Chris Wood(s?), the aussie one we bought who got above himself whose name escapes me, Taibi (oh how I wish I could forget him)
De Gea is already a pretty good keeper and is only just 22 yrs old.

Can we return to this debate in May 2014?? Make a note in our diaries?


Fair enough looking at the other side of the coin. Plenty of Richard Wrights out there.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 30, 2013, 11:40:57 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.

I'm hardly changing my argument, peak, become great, already one of the top keeps in the world in some departments, however you want to try and win this argument, you can't, as I said look at all keepers, the greats made mistakes, and as for not ever being great, have you actually seen anything but those sad little videos made by bindippers who have very little to say now they've been made to eat all the words the used to brag with in the 80's. Pointless to argue with you when the blinkers are so clearly fixed on,,

No, you are I'm afraid. He's not a "great" keeper. He's good. One of the better ones in the league. But never, ever great.

Perhaps our definitions of "great" are miles apart.

Lol, what are you on about, he's a GREAT shot stopper, and has other attributes that suggest he will become world class, if he isn't already. Seeing as you now support a small club, i'ts clear you get a kick from trying to pick at others, whilst you have some knowledge that's clear, it's not clear whether that knowledge is actually based on any facts other than your growing bitterness to a team and sport that's sucker punched you, I'd guess you are not from Liverpool, and would possibly have become a |Liverpool fan in the 80's?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 31, 2013, 08:09:57 AM
he didn't strengthen our argument much last night...

#keepthefaith


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MANTIS01 on January 31, 2013, 08:58:24 AM
De Gea with no conviction and just a little girlie skip as the ball goes past. He wants to be charging out and clattering somebody there.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on January 31, 2013, 09:14:44 AM
He stays on his line and the angle Rodriguez had to score there was tight and it would have been very unlikely. Poor decision making.

Just looks like a Goalkeeper lacking a fight, complete opposite of the temperament needed as a keeper.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 31, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
De Gea with no conviction and just a little girlie skip as the ball goes past. He wants to be charging out and clattering somebody there.

Obviously clattering Rodrigues was an option, but that's a penalty and a red card...

He stays on his line and the angle Rodriguez had to score there was tight and it would have been very unlikely. Poor decision making.

Just looks like a Goalkeeper lacking a fight, complete opposite of the temperament needed as a keeper.

No defence in this instance - although coming for it and getting it, is the better option.

Doesn't help him to be behind a different central two again, and to then get that attempt at a back pass in the first few minutes of the game.

I'm still looking to close this debate some time next year


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on January 31, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Nice problem to have. United the best team in the prem this year and your keeper is a bit meh. I can't see them being overhauled this time.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: MANTIS01 on January 31, 2013, 12:07:08 PM
De Gea with no conviction and just a little girlie skip as the ball goes past. He wants to be charging out and clattering somebody there.

Obviously clattering Rodrigues was an option, but that's a penalty and a red card...


Kinda joking, but the point was when he makes a decision he's gotta have 100% conviction. Last night he decides to come for a marginal ball in the box but pulls out and does a little girlie skip instead. Jamie Redknapp highlighted Mertersacker doing a girlie jump with twizzle to try and block the Suarez goal last night. Tony Adams never girlie jump twizzled.Top players need conviction so if he decides to come De Gea should clatter ball and player there and lol at the very idea of red card and pen at old trafford. At the very least pull out a schmeichel star fish rather than little skip pls.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 31, 2013, 12:14:20 PM
De Gea with no conviction and just a little girlie skip as the ball goes past. He wants to be charging out and clattering somebody there.

Obviously clattering Rodrigues was an option, but that's a penalty and a red card...


Kinda joking, but the point was when he makes a decision he's gotta have 100% conviction. Last night he decides to come for a marginal ball in the box but pulls out and does a little girlie skip instead. Jamie Redknapp highlighted Mertersacker doing a girlie jump with twizzle to try and block the Suarez goal last night. Tony Adams never girlie jump twizzled.Top players need conviction so if he decides to come De Gea should clatter ball and player there and lol at the very idea of red card and pen at old trafford. At the very least pull out a schmeichel star fish rather than little skip pls.

There's a high frequency of penalties and red cards at Old Trafford.

Some to the detriment of the home team


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 12:37:56 PM
haha, last nights little blooper, and no one has mentioned Carrick basically leaving him  fooked, the girly little skip as it's been reported here was clearly an attempt to block an expected chip, which I think the Southampton player was actually trying to do, big fail all round, but hardly a hanging offence being beaten 1 on 1. No ones mentioned the few saves he made to keep us in the lead later, but meh, that would be actually giving a fair report on his performance, which it's clear there's a few (smashed, ant..oh where is the Milton Keynes bindipper, Baraon, Baraon, you seem to be all quiet..).

Easy target Goalkeepers, some would suggest there's those that never make a mistake, Reina had me in stitches with his incompetence at times, but that doesn't make him a bad keeper. All in all as David said, best we come back in a few years and finish this conversation then..

Now how about a Celtic Midfielder, looks like it's not going to happen, we need someone in midfield like them.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on January 31, 2013, 12:42:37 PM
Hey, jackinbeat, no need to make these discussions include personal insults please. People are entitled to their views howevermuch you disagree with them, and can argue them how they wish

Keep it civil


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 31, 2013, 12:43:48 PM
Hey, jackinbeat, no need to make these discussions include personal insults please. People are entitled to their views howevermuch you disagree with them, and can argue them how they wish

Keep it civil


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on January 31, 2013, 12:55:57 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 01:06:29 PM
Slow down all, this is football banter right?

I called the Baron a bindipper, no one else, and I call all my close friends who are Liverpool fans bindippers, it's a football thing. Smashed and Ant were not supposed to be included in that.

Apologies for not being civil, but it's football banter, when has that ever been civil ;)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on January 31, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
Slow down all, this is football banter right?

I called the Baron a bindipper, no one else, and I call all my close friends who are Liverpool fans bindippers, it's a football thing. Smashed and Ant were not supposed to be included in that.

Apologies for not being civil, but it's football banter, when has that ever been civil ;)

It's civil on here.

bindipper is derogatory, and not banter. On here

cheers


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
Hey, jackinbeat, no need to make these discussions include personal insults please. People are entitled to their views howevermuch you disagree with them, and can argue them how they wish

Keep it civil

I'm sorry, where are the personal insults, or is Baron really out searching bins for his lunch, really come on, this is football banter, please show me where I have got personal?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 01:10:24 PM
Slow down all, this is football banter right?

I called the Baron a bindipper, no one else, and I call all my close friends who are Liverpool fans bindippers, it's a football thing. Smashed and Ant were not supposed to be included in that.

Apologies for not being civil, but it's football banter, when has that ever been civil ;)

It's civil on here.

bindipper is derogatory, and not banter. On here

cheers


Ok, civil it is, but Liverpool fans are and will always be the bindippers, well in Manchester anyway. :P


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on January 31, 2013, 02:05:21 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 02:17:09 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.

Didn't know one way or the other to be fair i hadn't even thought of it, just enjoying the De Gea banter. I lived in Spain and met some of his friends, he's really a lot more of a keeper than it seems from the reviews he gets. He's clearly had to dive in the deep end and try and swim and United, wouuld have loved him to have a few years as a understudy to Van de Sar, but that's life. Hopefully Valdes will fill this role :/ then again prob not!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 31, 2013, 02:23:08 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.

Didn't know one way or the other to be fair i hadn't even thought of it, just enjoying the De Gea banter. I lived in Spain and met some of his friends, he's really a lot more of a keeper than it seems from the reviews he gets. He's clearly had to dive in the deep end and try and swim and United, wouuld have loved him to have a few years as a understudy to Van de Sar, but that's life. Hopefully Valdes will fill this role :/ then again prob not!

Imagine how good he might have been had he played behind Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra for his first season
Instead he's spent pretty much his entire United career behind a back four that changes every week and has included some makeshift centre backs including Carrick more than once.

Jason - our league position is all well and good but if we give Real a goal start next week I won't be piling in to back the win


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on January 31, 2013, 02:27:56 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.

Didn't know one way or the other to be fair i hadn't even thought of it, just enjoying the De Gea banter. I lived in Spain and met some of his friends, he's really a lot more of a keeper than it seems from the reviews he gets. He's clearly had to dive in the deep end and try and swim and United, wouuld have loved him to have a few years as a understudy to Van de Sar, but that's life. Hopefully Valdes will fill this role :/ then again prob not!

Imagine how good he might have been had he played behind Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra for his first season
Instead he's spent pretty much his entire United career behind a back four that changes every week and has included some makeshift centre backs including Carrick more than once.

Jason - our league position is all well and good but if we give Real a goal start next week I won't be piling in to back the win
Utd are undoubtedly the best of a bad bunch in the premier league this year and when we come up against the best of Spain, Italy and dare I say Germany I don't think the best keeper in the world will make a difference


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: George2Loose on January 31, 2013, 02:28:46 PM
Agree with herbie


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 31, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
#keepingthefaith


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on January 31, 2013, 02:32:57 PM
Agree with herbie
qft lol


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 05:10:35 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.

Didn't know one way or the other to be fair i hadn't even thought of it, just enjoying the De Gea banter. I lived in Spain and met some of his friends, he's really a lot more of a keeper than it seems from the reviews he gets. He's clearly had to dive in the deep end and try and swim and United, wouuld have loved him to have a few years as a understudy to Van de Sar, but that's life. Hopefully Valdes will fill this role :/ then again prob not!

Imagine how good he might have been had he played behind Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra for his first season
Instead he's spent pretty much his entire United career behind a back four that changes every week and has included some makeshift centre backs including Carrick more than once.

Jason - our league position is all well and good but if we give Real a goal start next week I won't be piling in to back the win

Agreed David, once we get some form of settled defence again, we might just find out. :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on January 31, 2013, 05:31:28 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.

Didn't know one way or the other to be fair i hadn't even thought of it, just enjoying the De Gea banter. I lived in Spain and met some of his friends, he's really a lot more of a keeper than it seems from the reviews he gets. He's clearly had to dive in the deep end and try and swim and United, wouuld have loved him to have a few years as a understudy to Van de Sar, but that's life. Hopefully Valdes will fill this role :/ then again prob not!

Imagine how good he might have been had he played behind Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra for his first season
Instead he's spent pretty much his entire United career behind a back four that changes every week and has included some makeshift centre backs including Carrick more than once.

Jason - our league position is all well and good but if we give Real a goal start next week I won't be piling in to back the win

Agreed David, once we get some form of settled defence again, we might just find out. :)

Since when does any teams backline dictate how well a goalkeeper should be performing. If anything a poor backline would make a keeper look better, with more saves. It just means the keeper is exposed more, so we get to see his true colours more.

I think what you are claiming is the other way round to be honest.

If you have a keeper that is completely in command of his box, and crosses and is a great talker, then you ease the back line into playing a lot better as they have confidence in you. It definitely doesn't manifest itself the other way to anywhere near the same degree.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on January 31, 2013, 05:47:24 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.

Didn't know one way or the other to be fair i hadn't even thought of it, just enjoying the De Gea banter. I lived in Spain and met some of his friends, he's really a lot more of a keeper than it seems from the reviews he gets. He's clearly had to dive in the deep end and try and swim and United, wouuld have loved him to have a few years as a understudy to Van de Sar, but that's life. Hopefully Valdes will fill this role :/ then again prob not!

Imagine how good he might have been had he played behind Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra for his first season
Instead he's spent pretty much his entire United career behind a back four that changes every week and has included some makeshift centre backs including Carrick more than once.

Jason - our league position is all well and good but if we give Real a goal start next week I won't be piling in to back the win

Agreed David, once we get some form of settled defence again, we might just find out. :)

Since when does any teams backline dictate how well a goalkeeper should be performing. If anything a poor backline would make a keeper look better, with more saves. It just means the keeper is exposed more, so we get to see his true colours more.

I think what you are claiming is the other way round to be honest.

If you have a keeper that is completely in command of his box, and crosses and is a great talker, then you ease the back line into playing a lot better as they have confidence in you. It definitely doesn't manifest itself the other way to anywhere near the same degree.

Ant you got this wrong, a keeper is clearly going to look better in front of a strong back four, and have a better understanding if that back four are the same week in week out. The last part I agree with :P


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on January 31, 2013, 06:41:10 PM
Hey jackinbeat no idea who you are but my point was only that whilst all the other prem threads seem to be moaning about managers, lack of fire power, consistency or spending its a nice problem for united to solve.

If you wanna call me a bin dipper feel free :)

I didn't call you a bindipper!!!

I will be a civil Mancunian football fan from now, but damn, that will be difficult!
lol its all cool. I don't know where you get the impression that I ain't a Utd fan from.

Didn't know one way or the other to be fair i hadn't even thought of it, just enjoying the De Gea banter. I lived in Spain and met some of his friends, he's really a lot more of a keeper than it seems from the reviews he gets. He's clearly had to dive in the deep end and try and swim and United, wouuld have loved him to have a few years as a understudy to Van de Sar, but that's life. Hopefully Valdes will fill this role :/ then again prob not!

Imagine how good he might have been had he played behind Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra for his first season
Instead he's spent pretty much his entire United career behind a back four that changes every week and has included some makeshift centre backs including Carrick more than once.

Jason - our league position is all well and good but if we give Real a goal start next week I won't be piling in to back the win

Agreed David, once we get some form of settled defence again, we might just find out. :)

Since when does any teams backline dictate how well a goalkeeper should be performing. If anything a poor backline would make a keeper look better, with more saves. It just means the keeper is exposed more, so we get to see his true colours more.

I think what you are claiming is the other way round to be honest.

If you have a keeper that is completely in command of his box, and crosses and is a great talker, then you ease the back line into playing a lot better as they have confidence in you. It definitely doesn't manifest itself the other way to anywhere near the same degree.

David Seaman looked good behind Dixon, Adams, Bould, Winterburn. Even with the ponytail.

My point was, however, that is much easier for a goalkeeper to settle in behind a good, established back line than it is when he doesn't know what the players in front of him are likely to do, or what they are capable of doing.



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on February 01, 2013, 03:01:14 AM
Nayim made Seaman look terrible with that lob.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Ant040689 on February 01, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
Right, got you lads.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 01, 2013, 08:30:06 AM
Nayim made Seaman look terrible with that lob.

Would never have been surprised to see Seaman playing with a lob


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on February 01, 2013, 09:53:45 AM
Nayim made Seaman look terrible with that lob.

Would never have been surprised to see Seaman playing with a lob

Never knew Nayim was a hairdresser, or heard this lob style cut, take it wasn't like a flattop?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 01, 2013, 09:59:59 AM
Nayim made Seaman look terrible with that lob.

Would never have been surprised to see Seaman playing with a lob

Never knew Nayim was a hairdresser, or heard this lob style cut, take it wasn't like a flattop?


For the record

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiYt3iNWau0

oh and this, which was a lot less funny

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oq974EmpBo



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 01, 2013, 08:26:39 PM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.

I'm hardly changing my argument, peak, become great, already one of the top keeps in the world in some departments, however you want to try and win this argument, you can't, as I said look at all keepers, the greats made mistakes, and as for not ever being great, have you actually seen anything but those sad little videos made by bindippers who have very little to say now they've been made to eat all the words the used to brag with in the 80's. Pointless to argue with you when the blinkers are so clearly fixed on,,

No, you are I'm afraid. He's not a "great" keeper. He's good. One of the better ones in the league. But never, ever great.

Perhaps our definitions of "great" are miles apart.

Lol, what are you on about, he's a GREAT shot stopper, and has other attributes that suggest he will become world class, if he isn't already. Seeing as you now support a small club, i'ts clear you get a kick from trying to pick at others, whilst you have some knowledge that's clear, it's not clear whether that knowledge is actually based on any facts other than your growing bitterness to a team and sport that's sucker punched you, I'd guess you are not from Liverpool, and would possibly have become a |Liverpool fan in the 80's?

Why so bitter? We're discussing a keeper you think is world class and I don't. Not really cause to lower the tone is it? A Utd fan talking about fans from outside of Liverpool? Give me strength.

For about the 8th time I rate him as a keeper. He's very good. For me, not world class, never going to be. It's only a opinion - although one shared by some of your own fans which obviously completely invalidates your point that I'm only trying to wind you up. Untwist those knickers and move on?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on February 02, 2013, 12:34:12 AM
Casillas, Buffon, Reina, cech, hart, Neuer to name but a few. World beaters from very early on.

There's an even longer list of keepers who came into their prime later in life, if you picked out the above names (and I don't agree with them all), then you clearly don't need me to type them all.

Of course keepers peak later - that wasn't the argument. The point is in the modern game that the best rarely become great later if they weren't already excellent by the early/mid 20's.

You cant change the criteria to "peaked later" half way through an argument to suit.

I'm hardly changing my argument, peak, become great, already one of the top keeps in the world in some departments, however you want to try and win this argument, you can't, as I said look at all keepers, the greats made mistakes, and as for not ever being great, have you actually seen anything but those sad little videos made by bindippers who have very little to say now they've been made to eat all the words the used to brag with in the 80's. Pointless to argue with you when the blinkers are so clearly fixed on,,

No, you are I'm afraid. He's not a "great" keeper. He's good. One of the better ones in the league. But never, ever great.

Perhaps our definitions of "great" are miles apart.

Lol, what are you on about, he's a GREAT shot stopper, and has other attributes that suggest he will become world class, if he isn't already. Seeing as you now support a small club, i'ts clear you get a kick from trying to pick at others, whilst you have some knowledge that's clear, it's not clear whether that knowledge is actually based on any facts other than your growing bitterness to a team and sport that's sucker punched you, I'd guess you are not from Liverpool, and would possibly have become a |Liverpool fan in the 80's?

Why so bitter? We're discussing a keeper you think is world class and I don't. Not really cause to lower the tone is it? A Utd fan talking about fans from outside of Liverpool? Give me strength.

For about the 8th time I rate him as a keeper. He's very good. For me, not world class, never going to be. It's only a opinion - although one shared by some of your own fans which obviously completely invalidates your point that I'm only trying to wind you up. Untwist those knickers and move on?

Who is bitter, who said he was world class, I said he was (and it's a fact) a world class shot stopper. And now you say he's very good, now who is changing their view, like I've said maybe 20 times, I think he will be world class, whatever other United fans may say is not really relevant to our argument, I don't agree with lots of fellow reds regarding what players, managers or the club does.

I'm a Mancunian, supported my local team since I 1977, glory hunters, especially Liverpool fans, just piss me off, sorry deal with it.  So as I said before Liverpool fans are impossible (and boring) to argue with, and the ones not from Liverpool aren't even funny with it, so, far from winding me up, it just make me sigh. You've got a local team now, why don't you support them??

Now stop trying to put words in my mouth and make a valid argument, be the first time I've heard one from a glory hunter, so I won't hold my breath.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on February 02, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
Jackinbeat, r you real ?

Everyone of your posts to The Baron has been aggressive bordering on extremely aggressive, everyone's entitled to an opinion, even in a thread titled Manchester United FC. Get a grip!

I find it interesting that recently it's been the Man U fans on here that've been trolling other teams threads and just generally being way ott, very interesting.

Before you start I'm not a bin dipper, I'm a sad Geordie bastard :(


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on February 02, 2013, 12:52:32 AM
Before you start I'm not a bin dipper, I'm a sad Geordie bastard :(

Not sure which is worse ;)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: mondatoo on February 02, 2013, 12:55:47 AM
Before you start I'm not a bin dipper, I'm a sad Geordie bastard :(

Not sure which is worse ;)

Your keepers shit mate, gtfo.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sovietsong on February 02, 2013, 12:56:52 AM
Before you start I'm not a bin dipper, I'm a sad Geordie bastard :(

Not sure which is worse ;)

Your keepers shit mate, gtfo.

LEEDS UNITED HAVING A PARTY, SELL OUR BEST PLAYERS KEEP LUKE VARNEY


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on February 02, 2013, 01:05:12 AM
Jackinbeat, r you real ?

Everyone of your posts to The Baron has been aggressive bordering on extremely aggressive, everyone's entitled to an opinion, even in a thread titled Manchester United FC. Get a grip!

I find it interesting that recently it's been the Man U fans on here that've been trolling other teams threads and just generally being way ott, very interesting.

Before you start I'm not a bin dipper, I'm a sad Geordie bastard :(

Lol, every time I've been to Anfield it's ended up with piss filled bottles, and even shit filled burger boxes being thrown all over us, so when a Liverpool fan starts abusing my team I get a little defensive, which can sound aggressive I agree, although he's admitted to being on the wind up, so basically trolling, for which makes aggressive words as you call them ok, now to be fair though telling him to go and support his local team or calling him a bindipper is hardly aggressive, well maybe in the leafy suburbs of Milton Keynes, or where ever.

As for mentioning trolling other threads, why? Not something I've done, or would do.

I'll try to be a little less aggressive sounding, but come on it's a football discussion, they're kinda aggressive by nature no? A lot of people have met me on here, and yes I can be a loud mouthy Manc, but aggressive that's a little harsh..


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: TightEnd on February 02, 2013, 01:11:44 AM
No one has abused your team

Your posts on here are way OTT

Its a little different on the blonde sports discussions than a lot of sports forums. Aggression and rudeness is not encouraged. It tends to put people off posting.

Granted that can be tricky as passions run high, but its something we aspire to. Check any other thread on here. None of this attitude whatsoever

Just cool it, cool it a lot, please


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on February 02, 2013, 01:14:57 AM
No one has abused your team

Your posts on here are way OTT

Its a little different on the blonde sports discussions than a lot of sports forums. Aggression and rudeness is not encouraged. It tends to put people off posting.

Granted that can be tricky as passions run high, but its something we aspire to. Check any other thread on here. None of this attitude whatsoever

Just cool it, cool it a lot, please

Yeah, no worries, just my reflex reaction to scousers, will hold it down here in future, or atleast try to ;P


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on February 02, 2013, 08:21:44 AM
No one has abused your team

Your posts on here are way OTT

Its a little different on the blonde sports discussions than a lot of sports forums. Aggression and rudeness is not encouraged. It tends to put people off posting.

Granted that can be tricky as passions run high, but its something we aspire to. Check any other thread on here. None of this attitude whatsoever

Just cool it, cool it a lot, please
what have I done now.
Sorry. Thought I was reading my pm's


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on February 02, 2013, 12:09:37 PM
No one has abused your team

Your posts on here are way OTT

Its a little different on the blonde sports discussions than a lot of sports forums. Aggression and rudeness is not encouraged. It tends to put people off posting.

Granted that can be tricky as passions run high, but its something we aspire to. Check any other thread on here. None of this attitude whatsoever

Just cool it, cool it a lot, please
what have I done now.


Sorry. Thought I was reading my pm's

So next time I just say smashedagain told me to say it ;)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: smashedagain on February 02, 2013, 12:15:10 PM
No one has abused your team

Your posts on here are way OTT

Its a little different on the blonde sports discussions than a lot of sports forums. Aggression and rudeness is not encouraged. It tends to put people off posting.

Granted that can be tricky as passions run high, but its something we aspire to. Check any other thread on here. None of this attitude whatsoever

Just cool it, cool it a lot, please
what have I done now.


Sorry. Thought I was reading my pm's

So next time I just say smashedagain told me to say it ;)
that would work :)
Banter is good fun and trolling ain't. If you can find out where the line is then I'd appreciate if you could tell me where it is too :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on February 02, 2013, 12:50:16 PM
No one has abused your team

Your posts on here are way OTT

Its a little different on the blonde sports discussions than a lot of sports forums. Aggression and rudeness is not encouraged. It tends to put people off posting.

Granted that can be tricky as passions run high, but its something we aspire to. Check any other thread on here. None of this attitude whatsoever

Just cool it, cool it a lot, please
what have I done now.


Sorry. Thought I was reading my pm's

So next time I just say smashedagain told me to say it ;)
that would work :)
Banter is good fun and trolling ain't. If you can find out where the line is then I'd appreciate if you could tell me where it is too :)

Banter, football, line, there is one, It only stops short of physical violence or tragedies imho, blonde is a little less tolerant which is fair, as without it I see it would cause issues.


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: david3103 on February 02, 2013, 05:56:30 PM
United fans displaying a banner that says 'In David we trust'

Already two good saves and a very confident take from the resultant corner after saving Risse's shot



Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: sweet potata! on February 02, 2013, 06:26:07 PM
Just to weigh in on De Gea, he's a good shot stopper but has far too many clangers in him, he's weak as a kitten too and skinny as a rake, unless he hits the weights and grows a set of cajones, he will be shipped out of Manchester soon enough, Begovic in the summer?


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: jackinbeat on February 02, 2013, 06:45:38 PM
Just to weigh in on De Gea, he's a good shot stopper but has far too many clangers in him, he's weak as a kitten too and skinny as a rake, unless he hits the weights and grows a set of cajones, he will be shipped out of Manchester soon enough, Begovic in the summer?

Agreed, remember when Ronaldo got to OT, he was the same, but emerged a year later looking like a lion (to continue the feline analogies), I dare say that's been noted and is being worked on.

He's making great/world class saves again today, and I'm sure I even saw him catch a cross. The 'In David We Trust' banners been around a while hasn't it, but clear to all he's already won the true fans over. Baron, where are you!


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: The Baron on February 03, 2013, 05:56:34 PM
Done replying Jack. Impossible to talk football with you. Never heard such contradictory nonsense and not into getting personal, so gg you.

To the rest, how much would you love a Suarez winner now? :)


Title: Re: Manchester United FC
Post by: Jon MW on February 03, 2013, 07:14:55 PM
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I'll try to be a little less aggressive sounding, but come on it's a football discussion, they're kinda aggressive by nature no?...

There's nothing naturally aggressive about talking about football, just as there's nothing naturally aggressive about talking about rugby, or golf, or snooker or any other game or sport. Just because so many football fans make it aggres