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Title: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 11, 2011, 09:57:45 AM
Thought it'd be a good idea to have a thread for people to post any boxing news, rumours and info about up and coming fights. So here it is.

Obviously we can have dedicated threads for the bigger fights that garner more interest.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 11, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13625051.stm

Khan to fight Judah next month.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on June 11, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
Interesting in there to read aboiut how Khan/Golden Boy have fallen out with Sky. They're not taking this fight either and now Golden Boy are threatening to stop having any of their fights on Sky.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on June 11, 2011, 11:57:40 AM
Interesting in there to read aboiut how Khan/Golden Boy have fallen out with Sky. They're not taking this fight either and now Golden Boy are threatening to stop having any of their fights on Sky.

Can't blame Sky really. The undercard was awful and McCloskey just isn't a world class name. Your average punter won't fork out 15 quid for that.

Amir's had one big fight, Maidana and that's it. He's got a hugely over-inflated opinion of himself.

That said, how Sky managed to sell the Groves - DeGale fight as being PPV is beyond me. Once Braehmer pulled out they were having a laugh trying to charge people 15 quid to see a British title fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 11, 2011, 12:02:44 PM
Interesting in there to read aboiut how Khan/Golden Boy have fallen out with Sky. They're not taking this fight either and now Golden Boy are threatening to stop having any of their fights on Sky.

Can't blame Sky really. The undercard was awful and McCloskey just isn't a world class name. Your average punter won't fork out 15 quid for that.

Amir's had one big fight, Maidana and that's it. He's got a hugely over-inflated opinion of himself.

That said, how Sky managed to sell the Groves - DeGale fight as being PPV is beyond me. Once Braehmer pulled out they were having a laugh trying to charge people 15 quid to see a British title fight.

What can Sky do though when he pulled out late and some would've already paid ? Agree it was a shit card though.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on June 11, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
Sky pulled the plug on Amir's deal the week of the fight so they're willing to do it.

I guess it was the case that by the time Braehmer had pulled out they felt they had sufficient box office sales to carry on with it in that particular PPV. If I was someone who'd paid the 15 quid I'd have felt like I'd have been robbed tbh.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: vegaslover on June 12, 2011, 08:38:28 PM
Sky pulled the plug on Amir's deal the week of the fight so they're willing to do it.

I guess it was the case that by the time Braehmer had pulled out they felt they had sufficient box office sales to carry on with it in that particular PPV. If I was someone who'd paid the 15 quid I'd have felt like I'd have been robbed tbh.
Should surely be felt like a mug. Sky keep putting this crap on PPV because plenty of idiots are prepared to pay for it


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on June 12, 2011, 08:47:09 PM
Pretty sure that Sky had Khan on ppv when he fought Breidis Prescott which really was taking the piss.  TBH I would rather pay for a fight like DeGale - Groves than I would for any fight where a world champ we have is fighting an effective no hoper but they do what they think commercially makes sense.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on June 12, 2011, 09:32:52 PM
Sky were working off the hype being generated around Amir at the time tbf given that he'd won a silver medal at the Olympics and was seen as the next big thing in British boxing - until Prescott saw to the end of that, that is. I agree it did take the piss though.

I just can't see how any fight other than a world title fight can be sold as a PPV. It frustrates me that people are able to buy into the hype.

Then again I  guess it says a lot about how the boxers themselves sell the fights when we have Carl Froch having a world class fight vs Glenn Johnson show on a regular sky sports channel and DeGale - Groves is able to be sold as a PPV.

Then again Froch has consistently been looked over by the British press and public.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 13, 2011, 09:15:31 AM
Anyone see David Price's fight the other night?  OK, it wasn't a top level opponent, but he did a number on him.  Looks to have the talent to be a very decent British and European fighter and then we'll see if he can mix it at World level.  Nice to see a heavyweight who can throw combinations and not just rely on slugging it out, even though he can obviously bang a bit.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 13, 2011, 09:24:44 AM
Anyone see Chris Eubanks son (also called Chris Eubank) is turning pro? Trained by Flloyd Mayweather Senior, he has pretty fast hands.


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiH0keV9Vg

I dont really see how the son of a millionaire could ever do that well at boxing, I think hunger is such an important component when you are getting punched in the face for a living, but I did get a bit excited when I saw it, and glad to see Eubank Senior was being quite strict with him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on June 13, 2011, 09:36:53 AM
Anyone see David Price's fight the other night?  OK, it wasn't a top level opponent, but he did a number on him.  Looks to have the talent to be a very decent British and European fighter and then we'll see if he can mix it at World level.  Nice to see a heavyweight who can throw combinations and not just rely on slugging it out, even though he can obviously bang a bit.

He looked good but you have to balance out what your say with the fact that Dallas took the fight on 4 days notice.

I'd expect a decent contest between him and McDermott.

Can't wait for the Fury and Chisora fight too, should be a cracker. They're both complete arseholes so I'd quite like a double knock-out.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 13, 2011, 11:34:12 AM
Anyone see Chris Eubanks son (also called Chris Eubank) is turning pro? Trained by Flloyd Mayweather Senior, he has pretty fast hands.


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiH0keV9Vg

I dont really see how the son of a millionaire could ever do that well at boxing, I think hunger is such an important component when you are getting punched in the face for a living, but I did get a bit excited when I saw it, and glad to see Eubank Senior was being quite strict with him.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. is doing pretty well at boxing, and his old man was a legend of the sport and a cult-hero in Mexico.  Maybe they're the exceptions to what you're saying though, or maybe boxing is in their genes.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 13, 2011, 11:35:21 AM
Anyone see David Price's fight the other night?  OK, it wasn't a top level opponent, but he did a number on him.  Looks to have the talent to be a very decent British and European fighter and then we'll see if he can mix it at World level.  Nice to see a heavyweight who can throw combinations and not just rely on slugging it out, even though he can obviously bang a bit.

He looked good but you have to balance out what your say with the fact that Dallas took the fight on 4 days notice.

I'd expect a decent contest between him and McDermott.

Can't wait for the Fury and Chisora fight too, should be a cracker. They're both complete arseholes so I'd quite like a double knock-out.

:D

When it's two fighters you like in the ring together it can be difficult to really enjoy it when one of them loses.  But when you dislike both, it's a win-win!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on June 13, 2011, 12:02:45 PM

I dont really see how the son of a millionaire could ever do that well at boxing,

I do! He'll spend his entire life under scrutiny as to how he compares with his father etc. Let's not forget boxing's a one-on-one sport too, so if his hunger and desire isn't there he'll soon find himself flat on his back live on TV. Can't think of anything more embarrassing.

I'm quite looking forward to seeing how he does.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 14, 2011, 09:56:02 AM
Nice thread. Obviously Mayweather getting back in the game and fighting Ortiz on the 17th of Sept is abso massive. I would love for this to be a warm up fight for Mayweather v Pacman but i reckon he might need 1 or more 2 fights before that is ready to happen unless he is just after one last ultimate payday. I think i read that Pacquiao is only second to Mayweather in PPV figures but not sure how correct that is. either way i would give my left bollock to see that fight happen.

I think and hope Haye will dispatch Wlad Klitschko but i reckon a match up with Vitali would be a lot tougher. Wlad does not like to be hit and Corrie Sanders exposed his chin massively. I honestly think Haye will make it look easy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 14, 2011, 12:38:03 PM
I would be very surprised if Haye dispatched Wlad. Klitschko is taller, heavier, has a longer reach, got a great jab, rated as one of the hardest punchers in the division, and has a better record. Haye was a cruiserweight starting out and hasn't faced any world class oppos at heavyweight. The guy is quick and can bang a bit so obv has some sort of chance but I think the odds are heavily stacked against him.

I would also love to see Mayweather vs Pacman but don't think it happens. Mayweather doesn't want to lose his unbeaten record imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 14, 2011, 12:43:55 PM
Vlad has been caught cold on the chin a few times though by much lesser men, not saying I think Haye will knock him out but he certainly isnt invulnerable.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 14, 2011, 01:22:03 PM
I would be very surprised if Haye dispatched Wlad. Klitschko is taller, heavier, has a longer reach, got a great jab, rated as one of the hardest punchers in the division, and has a better record. Haye was a cruiserweight starting out and hasn't faced any world class oppos at heavyweight. The guy is quick and can bang a bit so obv has some sort of chance but I think the odds are heavily stacked against him.

I would also love to see Mayweather vs Pacman but don't think it happens. Mayweather doesn't want to lose his unbeaten record imo.

What about Valuev? Much taller than Klitschko, much longer reach and wasn't even close to hurting Haye! Agree Wlad has got a very good jab and this is how he grinds out his wins. not seen much about him being the regarded as a power puncher comes from? he is massively defensive and wears people down. Haye has come up from cruiser retaining all the speed whilst amassing a disgusting amount of power.

As regards the brothers. Wlad has lost 3 and Vitali has lost 2. A large amount of Wlad's wins come from grinding down opponents with jabs and finishing them off in the last couple of rounds. Wlad's losses were horriffic were he got absolutely battered to pieces. Vitali won his first 26 fights by Knockout. He has taken on some big fights and apart from Lewis and Byrd has won them all. Wlad openly admits that Vitali is a better fighter but they would never fight each other.

I never actually liked Haye or respected him until i watched him at the O2, where he dispatched Enzo Maccarinelli with disgraceful ease.

Wlad's chin being tested: YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsA

I think if Mayweather was worried about his record he would have taken an easier fight than Ortiz. That kid can BANG. I hope both are fantastic fights. Please please watch Berto v Ortiz. Literally the best fight i have ever seen.

Also i think Pac man will do Mayweather.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: danny_b on June 14, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
I think the 9/1 about Haye winning on points is WAY too big. Although they can both bang, I don't think this will be a war. Haye is far more mobile than Vitali and Adam Booth is tactically very astute. Haye will have a strategy for 12 rounds and I just hope he doesn't get robbed by the notorious German judging..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 14, 2011, 01:25:47 PM
I think the 9/1 about Haye winning on points is WAY too big. Although they can both bang, I don't think this will be a war. Haye is far more mobile than Vitali and Adam Booth is tactically very astute. Haye will have a strategy for 12 rounds and I just hope he doesn't get robbed by the notorious German judging..

9/1? That is ridic, and were it outside of Germany I would say that was a steal.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 14, 2011, 01:32:28 PM
I think the 9/1 about Haye winning on points is WAY too big. Although they can both bang, I don't think this will be a war. Haye is far more mobile than Vitali and Adam Booth is tactically very astute. Haye will have a strategy for 12 rounds and I just hope he doesn't get robbed by the notorious German judging..

If it goes to points he will lose imo, it might as well be 100/1. Booth massively knows his shit as he proved with my boy Georgie Groves. They will certainly have a plan 'in case' it goes that for. However Haye has won 19 out of 25 in the first 5 rounds with only 2 of them being the 5th. I am going big on Haye in the first 4. I honestly think Wlad is far too slow and has a glass jaw. Abso buzzing. Why can't it be July now!!!

Groves was 10-1 on points vs DeFail. I had a piece of that at the time. I just can't see this being even remotely close.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 14, 2011, 06:11:09 PM
I would be very surprised if Haye dispatched Wlad. Klitschko is taller, heavier, has a longer reach, got a great jab, rated as one of the hardest punchers in the division, and has a better record. Haye was a cruiserweight starting out and hasn't faced any world class oppos at heavyweight. The guy is quick and can bang a bit so obv has some sort of chance but I think the odds are heavily stacked against him.

I would also love to see Mayweather vs Pacman but don't think it happens. Mayweather doesn't want to lose his unbeaten record imo.

What about Valuev? Much taller than Klitschko, much longer reach and wasn't even close to hurting Haye! Agree Wlad has got a very good jab and this is how he grinds out his wins. not seen much about him being the regarded as a power puncher comes from? he is massively defensive and wears people down. Haye has come up from cruiser retaining all the speed whilst amassing a disgusting amount of power.

As regards the brothers. Wlad has lost 3 and Vitali has lost 2. A large amount of Wlad's wins come from grinding down opponents with jabs and finishing them off in the last couple of rounds. Wlad's losses were horriffic were he got absolutely battered to pieces. Vitali won his first 26 fights by Knockout. He has taken on some big fights and apart from Lewis and Byrd has won them all. Wlad openly admits that Vitali is a better fighter but they would never fight each other.

I never actually liked Haye or respected him until i watched him at the O2, where he dispatched Enzo Maccarinelli with disgraceful ease.

Wlad's chin being tested: YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsA

I think if Mayweather was worried about his record he would have taken an easier fight than Ortiz. That kid can BANG. I hope both are fantastic fights. Please please watch Berto v Ortiz. Literally the best fight i have ever seen.

Also i think Pac man will do Mayweather.

Valuev was a big dumb dancing bear buddy. Nowhere near world class and I don't remember him throwing a punch in the whole fight. Just like the Harrison fight. Wlad will be throwing punches though and it's Manny Stewart among many others who rate him as a big puncher. Wlad's losses you talk about were 6 or 7 years ago during a crisis in form. His defense first strat prob originates from those losses and is bad news for Haye considering his best chance to win is catching Wlad with his chin exposed. Since his return to form Wlad's been unbeaten for many years and unified WBO and IBF titles while dispatching some good names. Haye simply doesn't have that pedigree and a lot of belief in him is created from the hype the man himself generates. Haye is a pretty smart cookie and I think he's squeezing the pips out his commercial value before retiring a millionaire in a few months. But he's got to be a crazy underdog in this bout based on all the evidence, even so I hope he wins and will be cheering him on. 

Agree Vitali is better.

Mayweather is world class and knows in his heart he can beat Ortiz. Not sure he feels the same about pacman.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on June 14, 2011, 06:19:51 PM
Easily the biggest thing people seem to forget is the shape in which the majority of Wlad and Vitali's opponents turn up in. The like of Samuel Peters etc look super unfit and incapable of moving around for 12 rounds and as a result just walk in Wlad's jab. It staggers me that at world class level this boxers are turning up in the ring looking quite frankly fat. Insane.

Haye will bring supreme fitness and punching power to the fight which is why it would be extremely dangerous to write him off. That sad the caliber of opponents he has faced makes it hard to truly back him. Ruiz was over the hill, Valuev was a hit n run job and the rest aren't worth talking about. It should also be noted he is not exactly adverse to being dumped on his backside either and in Wlad we have a man whose jab is incredibly strong.

I'm massively undecided about this. Wlad is the favourite and rightly so, but the heavyweight division has been so unbelievable poor in recent years I don't quite know how to read into the Klitschko's domination of it.

milligan84, I used to think Floyd would win it too, but his constant ducking of Manny has left me to conclude otherwise! Think he needs the fight more than Manny to secure his legacy as Manny is just cleaning up all who come before him right now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 14, 2011, 08:54:36 PM
It's a joke but Pretty boy won't fight Manny, to desperate to keep his 0 and Manny, altough not a certainty he'd be a big favourite imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 15, 2011, 08:52:26 AM
I'm massively undecided about this. Wlad is the favourite and rightly so, but the heavyweight division has been so unbelievable poor in recent years I don't quite know how to read into the Klitschko's domination of it.

milligan84, I used to think Floyd would win it too, but his constant ducking of Manny has left me to conclude otherwise! Think he needs the fight more than Manny to secure his legacy as Manny is just cleaning up all who come before him right now.

Must have misread me, I have always said Manny would do Mayweather. Manni is far too fast, too quick, too strong and very aggressive. Mayweather is probably the best technical boxer that i have ever seen, could only see him winning on points by out boxing Manny.

Enjoying the debate on here. Imo i honestly feel people have overrated Wlad, hope the bookies prices follow suite.

Also i really don't think Mayweather is too worried about his 0 else surely he would take an easier fight than Ortiz? I read something along the lines of with Ortiz being the big up and comer right now, Mayweather wants to jump right in and show him who is boss then settle the PacMan debate once and for all. who knows? either way it is exciting times in boxing!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 17, 2011, 05:51:59 PM
The Klitschko's are very underrated in my opinion.  Both would have operated at the top level in any era although wouldn't have dominated as they have done in recent years.  Their style is not particularly pleasing on the eye hence why they don't get the credit they deserve.  Manny Steward has worked wonders with Wlad and Haye will find him a lot more difficult to tag than Corrie Sanders did all those years ago.  That said Haye is a pretty exceptional talent himself and Booth is an excellent cornerman (the Mourinho of the boxing world) so he is not without a chance.  Wlad will try and keep Haye on the end of his jab all night and for Haye to win the fight he will have to take risks.  He has the power to hurt Wlad but similarly Wlad could quite easily spark Haye.  It is the biggest fight in the Heavyweight division in years and it needs a Haye win.  If Wlad wins then the Klitschko's will coninue to dominate for another few years as there is not other challenger on the horizon.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 22, 2011, 07:48:13 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lDZhnxAwS0

Not sure if most people have seen this not. I hadn't until today. Worth a watch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 22, 2011, 08:07:41 PM
Really looking forward to this one. I like how Klitschko starts the face off with a lengthy and rather articulate monologue about Haye and when asked for his response Haye's first words are "He's clearly a dickhead"


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on June 22, 2011, 08:31:30 PM
Really looking forward to this one. I like how Klitschko starts the face off with a lengthy and rather articulate monologue about Haye and when asked for his response Haye's first words are "He's clearly a dickhead"

Klitschko does look a tad pissed off  :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on June 22, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
Awesome.. can't wait for this.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 23, 2011, 01:34:43 PM
Wlad's blood is boiling and Haye knows that he genuinely wants to smash him there and then. Haye comes across as a dick for not shaking hands or that, but i think he 100% realises Wlad is bang up for it.

Literally cannot wait for this. Still think Haye within 4 rounds and thats what my money will go on. Would like to see Haye win just so we can see him fight Vitali, then i would like to see Vitali win otherwise Haye's ego would be uncontrollable. Vitali doesn't have the sense of decorum Wlad shows. That would be a right tear up.

(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv18/sPaRTaNxXx09/Sports/Boxer.gif)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 23, 2011, 06:00:10 PM
(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv18/sPaRTaNxXx09/Sports/Boxer.gif)

Terrible footwork.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 23, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
Actually think Vlad comes across way cooler in that video.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Alverton on June 23, 2011, 08:57:54 PM
Actually think Vlad comes across way cooler in that video.

Agreed.  Clearly only one dickhead at that table.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 25, 2011, 11:56:55 AM
Felix Sturm to win by stoppage is too big at 7/2 imo.

Macklin on the downgrade for me and whilst Sturm is not the biggest puncher he will find Macklin easy to hit  and grind him down for a late stoppage.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on June 25, 2011, 10:52:23 PM
Thought Macklin put up a very good display.  Very tough to call and the two judges that scored it to Sturm by four were watching a different fight to me but think a split decision to Sturm was probably right although a draw would have been decent result.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 26, 2011, 02:37:40 AM
Thought Macklin put up a very good display.  Very tough to call and the two judges that scored it to Sturm by four were watching a different fight to me but think a split decision to Sturm was probably right although a draw would have been decent result.

Macklin was superb although had there been another 30 seconds on the clock I think he would have been stopped.  fml

I had it 115-114 Sturm.  Couldn't have argued either way though but Macklin was never going to get a close decision over there.

Matthysse too big at 5/2.  Way I'm running he will be robbed on the cards though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 26, 2011, 11:35:13 AM
Thought Macklin put up a very good display.  Very tough to call and the two judges that scored it to Sturm by four were watching a different fight to me but think a split decision to Sturm was probably right although a draw would have been decent result.


Matthysse too big at 5/2.  Way I'm running he will be robbed on the cards though.

Called it.  Disgraceful decision.  Matthysse won the fight by two or three rounds.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on June 28, 2011, 06:06:32 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13941435.stm


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 28, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13941435.stm

Massive respect for the McGuigan, does get me more excited, but I still think Klitschko will be too much.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 28, 2011, 06:58:15 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13941435.stm

Massive respect for the McGuigan, does get me more excited, but I still think Klitschko will be too much.

I'm with Bazza on this one. Would like to see Haye proper come out for it instead of dancing round the jab and picking up points. Still going for a Haye KO in 4. Proper excited about this one! Lets get ready to Rumble!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2011, 07:16:06 PM
Really looking forward to this one. I like how Klitschko starts the face off with a lengthy and rather articulate monologue about Haye and when asked for his response Haye's first words are "He's clearly a dickhead"

Definitely buzzing about this one.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on June 28, 2011, 07:57:55 PM
I'm with Milligan lumping on round 4 for Haye... abs buzzing just wish i'd got babysitter sorted.. sigh


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on June 28, 2011, 07:59:29 PM
Will actually pay for the PPV for this one happily  :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 28, 2011, 10:34:08 PM
Will actually pay for the PPV for this one happily  :)

Pretty decent offer from Sky.

http://www.skybet.com/skybet?offer=118&aff=4821

Looking forward to the fight, I think Haye will win it and hope he does so he fights the brother.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 28, 2011, 10:55:18 PM
I like McGuigan's take on the fight, and also on Haye in general. If he showed a little bit more humility and maturity I think he could win a lot of fans as well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on June 28, 2011, 11:11:21 PM
I like McGuigan's take on the fight, and also on Haye in general. If he showed a little bit more humility and maturity I think he could win a lot of fans as well.

Don't get anyone who takes this point of view.

David's someone who dominated the cruiserweight division. He went to France to take on the champion in Jean-Mark Mormeck, got knocked down in the fourth and got up to stop him in the seventh. He did all he needed to in that division. He then stepped up to the heavyweight division and has used his bravado, his charm, his arrogance etc to fast-track his career but at the same time he backed all that up with wins. He beat Valuev in his backyard to win the title and has beaten every other heavyweight he has faced comfortably.

We as a nation should be proud of him. Yes he might be cocky, but he backs it up. He intentionally tries to get under people's skin and it works.

He cannot have done anymore than he has. Saturday's fight will define his legacy and he deserves anyone who considers themselves remotely British to back him 100%.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on June 28, 2011, 11:21:03 PM
I like McGuigan's take on the fight, and also on Haye in general. If he showed a little bit more humility and maturity I think he could win a lot of fans as well.

Don't get anyone who takes this point of view.

David's someone who dominated the cruiserweight division. He went to France to take on the champion in Jean-Mark Mormeck, got knocked down in the fourth and got up to stop him in the seventh. He did all he needed to in that division. He then stepped up to the heavyweight division and has used his bravado, his charm, his arrogance etc to fast-track his career but at the same time he backed all that up with wins. He beat Valuev in his backyard to win the title and has beaten every other heavyweight he has faced comfortably.

We as a nation should be proud of him. Yes he might be cocky, but he backs it up. He intentionally tries to get under people's skin and it works.

He cannot have done anymore than he has. Saturday's fight will define his legacy and he deserves anyone who considers themselves remotely British to back him 100%.



Talking shit is all part of his plan he said in his interviews to the BBC. He wants people to like him or hate him he doesn't care which as that's what sell tickets and PPV. He said the worst possible scenario is that people just don't care about the fight and who wins as that sells nothing.

People are well up for watching this fight, some want him to win, some want him to gets his teeth knocked in. Either way he wins at the box office.......


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on June 29, 2011, 08:38:50 AM
It's a weird one. I want him to win, i think he will win, but i still don't actually like him. Haye v Vitali would be immense. Think Haye would snap retire after that. That guy has barrels of $$ coming in.

Anyone seen the tv show coming up? David Haye vs.... guests include Bieber, Gervais, Dizzeee Rascal, Michael Mcntyre and Mickey Rourke. I think Rourke was a pro boxer once and did alright as a bit of a journeyman. Would like to see Bieber and Gervais get their faces smashed in.

FFS after typing all this ive just found one of the episodes here: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=490769 (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=490769)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 29, 2011, 09:23:08 AM
I like McGuigan's take on the fight, and also on Haye in general. If he showed a little bit more humility and maturity I think he could win a lot of fans as well.

Don't get anyone who takes this point of view.

David's someone who dominated the cruiserweight division. He went to France to take on the champion in Jean-Mark Mormeck, got knocked down in the fourth and got up to stop him in the seventh. He did all he needed to in that division. He then stepped up to the heavyweight division and has used his bravado, his charm, his arrogance etc to fast-track his career but at the same time he backed all that up with wins. He beat Valuev in his backyard to win the title and has beaten every other heavyweight he has faced comfortably.

We as a nation should be proud of him. Yes he might be cocky, but he backs it up. He intentionally tries to get under people's skin and it works.

He cannot have done anymore than he has. Saturday's fight will define his legacy and he deserves anyone who considers themselves remotely British to back him 100%.



It's quite simple, lots of people don't like him.  Most fight fans recognise his ability, and I for one would love him to win at the weekend.  Not sure what legacy it will define, other than being at/near the top of a relatively uncompetitive Heavyweight division.  If he then goes on to fight and beat Vitali, that will do a lot more in terms of defining his legacy.

Quite a lot of people don't like Andy Murray, but if he wins Wimbledon and other grand slam events, there'll be no disputing his talent - doesn't mean people have to adore him.

I think Joe Calzaghe was the best British fighter of all time (imo), but I don't like him as a man.  Love his boxing ability though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 29, 2011, 09:33:58 AM
I like McGuigan's take on the fight, and also on Haye in general. If he showed a little bit more humility and maturity I think he could win a lot of fans as well.

Don't get anyone who takes this point of view.

David's someone who dominated the cruiserweight division. He went to France to take on the champion in Jean-Mark Mormeck, got knocked down in the fourth and got up to stop him in the seventh. He did all he needed to in that division. He then stepped up to the heavyweight division and has used his bravado, his charm, his arrogance etc to fast-track his career but at the same time he backed all that up with wins. He beat Valuev in his backyard to win the title and has beaten every other heavyweight he has faced comfortably.

We as a nation should be proud of him. Yes he might be cocky, but he backs it up. He intentionally tries to get under people's skin and it works.

He cannot have done anymore than he has. Saturday's fight will define his legacy and he deserves anyone who considers themselves remotely British to back him 100%.



It's quite simple, lots of people don't like him.  Most fight fans recognise his ability, and I for one would love him to win at the weekend.  Not sure what legacy it will define, other than being at/near the top of a relatively uncompetitive Heavyweight division.  If he then goes on to fight and beat Vitali, that will do a lot more in terms of defining his legacy.

Quite a lot of people don't like Andy Murray, but if he wins Wimbledon and other grand slam events, there'll be no disputing his talent - doesn't mean people have to adore him.

I think Joe Calzaghe was the best British fighter of all time (imo), but I don't like him as a man.  Love his boxing ability though.

This.

I actually like Haye a great deal, he is genuinely very intelligent, witty, and talented. I love trash talkers too, but for me he has just gone slightly over the line a few times recently - not that I dont like controversy, more that he is trying to hard and it looks contrived. By the same token, I have really warmed to what a relaxed, nice, confident, funny, and respectable chap Vlad appears to be. I'm a boxing fan first and foremost, so I am not massively inclined to support the Brit out of mindless loyalty, but I am rooting for Haye...just.

And yeah, the heavyweight division is dogshit, he has to beat both brothers for it to be a genuine legacy (especially after the Audley fight lost him loads of legacy points)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on June 29, 2011, 10:08:33 AM
he does come across as a tosser and would love to see him put in his place like groves did to de gale. sometimes people cross the line from good banter to being a cockend. however losing to either of the two klitschko brothers would be a bad thing for boxing imo. he injects a bit of life into the heavy weight div and it has become tez these last few years. unify the div then get knocked out  by a no hoper.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 29, 2011, 12:07:05 PM
I like McGuigan's take on the fight, and also on Haye in general. If he showed a little bit more humility and maturity I think he could win a lot of fans as well.

Don't get anyone who takes this point of view.

David's someone who dominated the cruiserweight division. He went to France to take on the champion in Jean-Mark Mormeck, got knocked down in the fourth and got up to stop him in the seventh. He did all he needed to in that division. He then stepped up to the heavyweight division and has used his bravado, his charm, his arrogance etc to fast-track his career but at the same time he backed all that up with wins. He beat Valuev in his backyard to win the title and has beaten every other heavyweight he has faced comfortably.

We as a nation should be proud of him. Yes he might be cocky, but he backs it up. He intentionally tries to get under people's skin and it works.

He cannot have done anymore than he has. Saturday's fight will define his legacy and he deserves anyone who considers themselves remotely British to back him 100%.



I love this post because it demonstrates the value of Haye's mouth and his self promo entirely. It says Haye performed at a lower level and a lighter weight, meh, that he's beaten everybody in his path comfortably at heavyweight (the relevant division), and that we as a country should be proud, and that this fight will cement his legacy etc...

The reality is that in this division he has beaten lol Monte Barrett, lol Valuev, lol John Ruiz, and lololol Audley Harrison. That's it. Yet here he is having achieved next to nothing in the division being talked about like a national treasure and a boxing legend. Haye is where he is because of the way he is and in a commercial world you've gotta pretty much love him for that.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on June 29, 2011, 12:34:49 PM
this is so true. however i reckon we could have a real winner with Adam Booth. this guy is most defo walking the walk


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 01, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
Is it possible to watch the Weigh In on a stream or will be live on sky sports..?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 01, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
Is it possible to watch the Weigh In on a stream or will be live on sky sports..?


It's on SSN.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 01, 2011, 12:10:39 PM
Sweeeeeeet..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 01, 2011, 12:33:43 PM
Proper buzzing for this. Can't wait.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 01, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Should be excellent.  Will be watching it at deeteedee I think, otherwise would be worth the PPV.

Can't remember the last time I was remotely excited about a heavyweight fight!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on July 01, 2011, 12:41:01 PM
Have I missed the weigh in?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 01, 2011, 12:41:15 PM
Have I missed the weigh in?

SSN said 1pm


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on July 01, 2011, 12:42:01 PM
Have I missed the weigh in?

SSN said 1pm
Ta


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 01, 2011, 12:43:58 PM
Should be excellent.  Will be watching it at deeteedee I think, otherwise would be worth the PPV.

Can't remember the last time I was remotely excited about a heavyweight fight!

Not bothered with the DS this month. Have watched a couple of fights in there and I always end up having to watch them again when i get in, as i either miss stuff or have a shit view etc etc. This fight is > poker for me.

On rounds 1,2,3,4 and 6. Yesterday he predicted a KO in the 6th so i might go big on that. Have a friend who is in his camp and he reckons he is proper gonna go for it. I thought a lot of it was talk and he would just dance around and look to score like in the Valuev fight. Apparently not... There is no chance this fight can go to points.  The judging over there is horiffic.

Lets gogogogogogo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 01, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
I reckon Kiltschko will prob win but the his price is ridic...surely Haye has to be the value call?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 01, 2011, 04:25:43 PM
Worth a little read: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/)

Lewis said he still feels in great shape and occasionally has to fight the temptation to return to the ring. He is not an admirer of Wladimir, 35, and believes Vitali, the WBC champion and holder of the linear title, is by far the more dangerous of the two brothers.

Massively agree with this. I think anyone who even remotely follows boxing knows this.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 01, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
Compare and contrast the fights they've had:

Wlad (is it Vlad or Wlad?):
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=7035&cat=boxer

Vitali:
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat=boxer&human_id=7033

and of course Haye:
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=155774&cat=boxer


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 01, 2011, 08:03:35 PM
Worth a little read: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/)

Lewis said he still feels in great shape and occasionally has to fight the temptation to return to the ring. He is not an admirer of Wladimir, 35, and believes Vitali, the WBC champion and holder of the linear title, is by far the more dangerous of the two brothers.

Massively agree with this. I think anyone who even remotely follows boxing knows this.

Of course, he has to go through the weaker oppo first before he gets to the best of them all. Like he would in a computer game.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 01, 2011, 08:07:49 PM
Worth a little read: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/)

Lewis said he still feels in great shape and occasionally has to fight the temptation to return to the ring. He is not an admirer of Wladimir, 35, and believes Vitali, the WBC champion and holder of the linear title, is by far the more dangerous of the two brothers.

Massively agree with this. I think anyone who even remotely follows boxing knows this.

Of course, he has to go through the weaker oppo first before he gets to the best of them all. Like he would in a computer game.

Vitali is the 'Boss'?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 01, 2011, 08:46:10 PM
Worth a little read: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/sport-front-page/2011/07/01/lennox-lewis-warning-to-david-haye-on-eve-of-wladimir-kitschiko-fight-115875-23239148/)

Lewis said he still feels in great shape and occasionally has to fight the temptation to return to the ring. He is not an admirer of Wladimir, 35, and believes Vitali, the WBC champion and holder of the linear title, is by far the more dangerous of the two brothers.

Massively agree with this. I think anyone who even remotely follows boxing knows this.

Of course, he has to go through the weaker oppo first before he gets to the best of them all. Like he would in a computer game.

Vitali is the 'Boss'?

Yep, and he runs this whole damned town.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 01, 2011, 11:30:08 PM
Can't see Haye winning this, Wlad is a lot better than he's given credit for. He's no Valuev. He's quick enough and accurate. The issue is his chin obv. Not touching anything at these prices.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 01, 2011, 11:43:29 PM
The more I look at it, the more I really haven't got a clue and I'm actually beginning to think that they're both decent fighters, but nothing that exceptional at all.  Good enough to operate at 'world-class' in the current Heavyweight division though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: outragous76 on July 02, 2011, 01:14:44 PM
Oh my!

Just listening to radio 5, who have just reported it is in an open air arena, and if it rains, THE FIGHT WILL BE STOPPED, no questions asked!

Jokeaments


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 02, 2011, 01:58:58 PM
Oh my!

Just listening to radio 5, who have just reported it is in an open air arena, and if it rains, THE FIGHT WILL BE STOPPED, no questions asked!

Jokeaments

On Sky yday they spoke to the stadium manager and he said there's a cover so it wouldn't matter if it rained, surely that is BS ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 02:09:43 PM
Fancying Wlad more and more.

Bigger, stronger, better reach, more proven or more experience, harder puncher, more intelligent, better trainer, better pegidree, home territory, bent judges. Except for speed (which Wlad is being harshley judged on, he's both quick and accurate) I can't see many areas where Haye has an advantage. The only doubt is how often Wlad has been on the canvas and how he sometimes boxes nervously but that's been a lot rarer since Steward came on board.

Let's hope Haye can catch him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on July 02, 2011, 02:22:38 PM
Do we know what time the fight will start at? I'm guessing 11ish?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 03:04:41 PM
Do we know what time the fight will start at? I'm guessing 11ish?

SSN say the entrances are scheduled for 9:45pm UK time. So roughly 10pm.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on July 02, 2011, 03:05:37 PM
wtf? Rain is going to play a part in a boxing match? Must be some kind of wind up.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 03:29:52 PM
The one bet I might tickle on is Haye on points @ 19s on bf.

He showed vs Valuev he can box and move contrary to his pre fight talk. Wladimir is pretty bad at coming forward. If he can do a job similar to Valuev then this price is just too big. Judging by the punching power of both guys this could be way more cautious than the hype suggests.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on July 02, 2011, 03:39:54 PM
The one bet I might tickle on is Haye on points @ 19s on bf.

U get 19s? 14 at the moment.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 03:43:04 PM
The one bet I might tickle on is Haye on points @ 19s on bf.

U get 19s? 14 at the moment.

That for a Haye decision/tech decision? Go to grouped round betting, at the bottom Haye to win on points.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on July 02, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
The one bet I might tickle on is Haye on points @ 19s on bf.

U get 19s? 14 at the moment.

That for a Haye decision/tech decision? Go to grouped round betting, at the bottom Haye to win on points.

ty sir


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Horneris on July 02, 2011, 04:30:53 PM
Cmon Wlad!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Wlad in 9-12 @ 6-1 is a bit tasty, combined with Wlad 7-12 @ 3-1 with Skybet


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Graham C on July 02, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
What time you think they'll be on?  10ish?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on July 02, 2011, 07:31:46 PM
Vlad seems a classy fella compared to Haye and for that reason I hope he owns him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: outragous76 on July 02, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
Anyone got links?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: gatso on July 02, 2011, 08:27:04 PM
Anyone got links?

http://atdhenet.tv/37843/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye
http://atdhenet.tv/37761/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye
http://atdhenet.tv/37842/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye

should be on one of them


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: 77dave on July 02, 2011, 08:43:56 PM
Anyone got links?

http://atdhenet.tv/37843/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye
http://atdhenet.tv/37761/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye
http://atdhenet.tv/37842/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye

should be on one of them

http://firstrowsports.tv/watch/71225/1/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye-.html

Undercard on now


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on July 02, 2011, 08:50:13 PM
Anyone got links?

http://atdhenet.tv/37843/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye
http://atdhenet.tv/37761/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye
http://atdhenet.tv/37842/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye

should be on one of them

http://firstrowsports.tv/watch/71225/1/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye-.html

Undercard on now

Cheers Jim


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: gatso on July 02, 2011, 09:47:43 PM
why's lennox wearing colchester kev's hat?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mickyp on July 02, 2011, 10:01:29 PM
Taking the piss now


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 10:08:02 PM
Taking the piss now

Hope he gets knocked on his arse within 30 seconds now..(even though my money says differently)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Alverton on July 02, 2011, 10:10:22 PM
Taking the piss now

Hope he gets knocked on his arse within 30 seconds now..(even though my money says differently)

+1


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Graham C on July 02, 2011, 10:10:29 PM
Don't have an issue with it, Wlad was only going to make Haye wait. We wait either way.

4 or 6 please, either one, just rounds 4 or 6.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MPOWER on July 02, 2011, 10:10:49 PM
why's lennox wearing colchester kev's hat?

Love it

Regards

M


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
Can we also see Foreman v Lennox please?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 10:20:53 PM


Nice to see that the Haye fans can't show any fecking respect during the Ukranian anthem.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 10:25:07 PM
Think Haye borrowed that kitchen foil off George Foreman?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ironside on July 02, 2011, 10:32:54 PM
stream without pop ups

http://www.boxinglive.co.uk/live-boxing-stream/



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
Now I know why I prefer lighter weights....very tactical this.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mickyp on July 02, 2011, 10:47:16 PM
Getting interesting now


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 10:51:52 PM
Yep,,,Wlad is awake and Haye is doing an OK job counter punching.

Knock him out in the next few rounds now please Wlad.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 10:53:37 PM
lol @ the ref deducting Wlad a point there...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 11:03:33 PM
Sigh, Wlad is just not throwing any punches....FFS man, wake up! I know you'll get it on points but at least try to knock him out proper.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 11:06:36 PM
Haye in heavyweight bore shocker. At least he talks a great game. Sigh


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mickyp on July 02, 2011, 11:08:04 PM
Haye looks lost for ideas


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 11:08:36 PM
Haye in heavyweight bore shocker. At least he talks a great game. Sigh

Pretty much this, happy I didn't pay for this fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Waz1892 on July 02, 2011, 11:12:12 PM
Wlad is simply sitting behind his jab toying, and waiting to hit the big one...haye is just looking more n more despo


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 11:14:58 PM
Looks it, yeah.

Now I remember why I prefer watching Manny.

How incredibly dull. Even with Haye needing a knockout he can't be bothered and Wlad clearly sin't up for this.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 11:16:28 PM
Shows how weak the heavyweight division is IMO. If these two are the best that are out there (other than Vitali) it really is complete and utter arse juice


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TightEnd on July 02, 2011, 11:19:02 PM
Very dull. Couldn't get the hype before or or during it. The reach and the jab made Klitschko untouchable for a lot of the fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Graham C on July 02, 2011, 11:19:19 PM
Can't see how Haye could just come and let him jab him for 11 rounds, all the talk before hand came to nothing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Waz1892 on July 02, 2011, 11:20:28 PM
far from an expert in boxing, but it has always seemed to me that heavyweight decison is always over-hypered, and the boxers are too frightened of getting hit with the single big blow it most turns out to be a wrestling/ holding match, with both dodging the big blows - whilst understanding this, not very "entertaining"

middle-weight and lower is always toe-toe fights. much better!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 02, 2011, 11:21:27 PM
Wonder how long Haye will be on telly moaning about this.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TightEnd on July 02, 2011, 11:21:37 PM
Jim Watt is horrific. John Rawling I like but ffs Watt is terrible


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Graham C on July 02, 2011, 11:22:30 PM
Wonder how long Haye will be on telly moaning about this.

Not really got a lot to moan about.  Hopefully he'll stick to his long term plan and retire now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Horneris on July 02, 2011, 11:23:30 PM
Boxing   Upcoming Fights   David Haye v Wladimir Klitschko    Fight Outcome   02/07/2011 22:35   Wladimir Klitschko on Pts (after 12 rnds) (Win) @ 5/1

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Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: outragous76 on July 02, 2011, 11:23:50 PM
Not a bruise or cloudy eye in sight

Bullshit!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 11:24:35 PM
Bit harsh on Vlad IMO. Like Lennox back in the day he's not given enough credit for his perfectly executed gameplan.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Alverton on July 02, 2011, 11:26:23 PM
So glad I didnt pay for it. Wlad could've toyed with him all day long imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on July 02, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
Sigh, quite enjoyed it though. :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: vegaslover on July 02, 2011, 11:29:44 PM
Well after getting a link that didn't lag constantly i'm glad I didn't pay for that.
Really, really showed how shite the heavyweight division is.
Haye got found out as not being a real heavy, though not anything we didn't already know. Was almost comical watching most Haye punches being absolute haymaker attempts with him completely off balance. Klitschoko just not good enough to pick him off every time he was open.
And WTF was Haye doing diving to the floor and then looking at Ref at every opportunity for a points deduction?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Dubai on July 02, 2011, 11:32:16 PM
What a ***** Haye is


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: 77dave on July 02, 2011, 11:32:34 PM
UFC132 starts at 2am time to watch the future of the fight world.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 11:32:43 PM
Toe or no toe Vlad is smashing Haye every time.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 02, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
Lol got to love the Haye limp on the way out of the ring.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on July 02, 2011, 11:46:16 PM
I took more punishment from the jostling in the crowded shit pub I was in than either of those two took.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 02, 2011, 11:47:46 PM
Walk on timing was a joke, security was a joke, Haye was a joke. Wlad is boring as sin to watch but he executed his game plan to perfection and his jab game is unreal. Has done himself a massive amount of favours in the build up to this fight. Certainly won me over.

Price is gonna be the next big thing for British heavy weights IMO.

Roll on UFC. Hope we have a banger like last week.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 03, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
If you land less than 5 punches per round you wont win any fight. Haye was more concerned with his faculties remaining in tact than winning right from the start. His advantages of speed and reaction were only deployed in a defensive capacity and he offered nothing offensively. Even when his only chance to win was by getting into the danger zone he resisted doing so. No heart and no fight in the guy. I can't believe it really cos in the last few days Lederer has robbed all my Tilt dollars and now Haye has robbed my PPV money. Both of whom will prob be sunning themselves in Barbados next week on innocent dime. The hurt little toe excuse and the arriving late to the ring made me think a couple of handbags would have been more useful than gloves in this depressing encounter. It was pissing down as well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on July 03, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Quite enjoyed the fight to be honest. Wlad was very good. Proved he's got a chin and could take the speed. Didn't let any of the antics pre-fight change his game plan.
No complaints with Haye. Think the way to win is to fly out and go shit or bust in the first 4 rounds and either knock him out or get knocked out. No fighter is ever going to prepare that way though so not a lot more he could do against Wlad's style.
I think Haye gave him the respect afterwards but the excuse was for the media and public. Leaves it open for one more fight where he can build it up saying "you didn't see the best of me". Can't see a final fight being a good money spinner if he comes out and honestly says he wasn't good enough.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 03, 2011, 01:10:33 AM
UFC132 starts at 2am time to watch the future of the fight world.


Any links to this


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 03, 2011, 02:02:46 AM
I should've said this before the fight and not after but the only fight in boxing that will excite me is if Manny and PBF get it on, I'm not really a boxing fan but if that happens, I wanna be there, this fight was a huge letdown and I don't think that was a huge suprise to most. GG HAYE.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on July 03, 2011, 09:22:14 AM
Walk on timing was a joke, security was a joke, Haye was a joke. Wlad is boring as sin to watch but he executed his game plan to perfection and his jab game is unreal. Has done himself a massive amount of favours in the build up to this fight. Certainly won me over.

This

Toe or no toe (apparantly he was wearing those sandals at the press conference & he stopped sparring 8 weeks ago, not 3 weeks ago, like he claimed) Haye looks like a total classless bitch. Telling that Booth doesnt seem to be blaming the toe and is urging Haye to retire.

The ref wasnt as bad as people are making out, and I think it looked extremely sour grapes Booth brought it up. Haye was spoiling, forcing himself into sitiations that forced clinches, and complained at every turn and even before anything happened, whatever that resulted in the ref doing was pretty justified.

I wanted Vlad to win deep down because he came across so well and was really funny, but I couldnt bring myself to not cheer on the Brit on the night. Regretably with this result, its the end of what was left of heavyweight boxing.

And lol at the ring entrances, looked like they have a million pounds to some school children to organise it. They made Lewis look like a prize tit when he had to wait around like that.






Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 03, 2011, 11:41:05 AM
When proper fighter Joe Calzaghe fought Jeff Lacy he landed well over a thousand punches on his man during the bout. Haye landed just 57 punches throughout the whole fight and most of those were glancing off balance blows. The toe had nothing to do with Haye's reluctance to step inside and put himself in the danger zone, that was all about lacking heart. Gary Lineker still bangged in the goals with a gammy big toe and it's kinda more of a handicap for footballers. The disappoiniting thing is I thought Klitschko looked well beatable on the night if Haye had managed to find some courage. I would have liked to have known about the bad toe that prevents punches being thrown before I shelled out full dollar to watch a fight really. The idea of a rematch is horrible. Perhaps the winner of that bout could fight Audley Harrison and this endless circus in the heavyweights could continue. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on July 03, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
Disappointment for me is like Barry has said, heavyweight division now is pretty shit. One thing's for sure- Vitali would have destroyed Haye


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 03, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
I can see either a Haye retirement or a rematch. If the money is right Vlad would be crazy to turn it down as it's a relatively easy fight for him. I can't see why Haye would want to fight anyone else.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on July 03, 2011, 12:45:04 PM
I can see either a Haye retirement or a rematch. If the money is right Vlad would be crazy to turn it down as it's a relatively easy fight for him. I can't see why Haye would want to fight anyone else.

He would have to vacate most of his belts to fight Haye again, I doubt many governing bodies and number one contenders would be quiet about letting a rematch of such a one sided fight go ahead, I also cant really see many boxing fans buying it.

Oh wait, boxing is bent and fight fans are mugs, so it could happen.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 03, 2011, 05:27:41 PM
When proper fighter Joe Calzaghe fought Jeff Lacy he landed well over a thousand punches on his man during the bout. Haye landed just 57 punches throughout the whole fight and most of those were glancing off balance blows. The toe had nothing to do with Haye's reluctance to step inside and put himself in the danger zone, that was all about lacking heart. Gary Lineker still bangged in the goals with a gammy big toe and it's kinda more of a handicap for footballers. The disappoiniting thing is I thought Klitschko looked well beatable on the night if Haye had managed to find some courage. I would have liked to have known about the bad toe that prevents punches being thrown before I shelled out full dollar to watch a fight really. The idea of a rematch is horrible. Perhaps the winner of that bout could fight Audley Harrison and this endless circus in the heavyweights could continue. 


Completely agree with a Mantis post ;)

Lack of heart for me from Haye. Who knows what could have happened had he been willing to step out of his comfort zone and taken a few shots on the way in to try and land his own.

Some people last night were saying that they would have given more for the millions Haye got. Bet they wouldn't be willing to do all the training and early fights for no money in order to earn that purse though!

So, who is going to come along and rescue the heavyweight division seeing as it's not Haye?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 03, 2011, 05:38:25 PM
When proper fighter Joe Calzaghe fought Jeff Lacy he landed well over a thousand punches on his man during the bout. Haye landed just 57 punches throughout the whole fight and most of those were glancing off balance blows. The toe had nothing to do with Haye's reluctance to step inside and put himself in the danger zone, that was all about lacking heart. Gary Lineker still bangged in the goals with a gammy big toe and it's kinda more of a handicap for footballers. The disappoiniting thing is I thought Klitschko looked well beatable on the night if Haye had managed to find some courage. I would have liked to have known about the bad toe that prevents punches being thrown before I shelled out full dollar to watch a fight really. The idea of a rematch is horrible. Perhaps the winner of that bout could fight Audley Harrison and this endless circus in the heavyweights could continue. 


Completely agree with a Mantis post ;)

Lack of heart for me from Haye. Who knows what could have happened had he been willing to step out of his comfort zone and taken a few shots on the way in to try and land his own.

Some people last night were saying that they would have given more for the millions Haye got. Bet they wouldn't be willing to do all the training and early fights for no money in order to earn that purse though!

So, who is going to come along and rescue the heavyweight division seeing as it's not Haye?

David Price imo.Still a while to go but 11-0 and will have a shot at British title soon.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 03, 2011, 05:52:01 PM
When proper fighter Joe Calzaghe fought Jeff Lacy he landed well over a thousand punches on his man during the bout. Haye landed just 57 punches throughout the whole fight and most of those were glancing off balance blows. The toe had nothing to do with Haye's reluctance to step inside and put himself in the danger zone, that was all about lacking heart. Gary Lineker still bangged in the goals with a gammy big toe and it's kinda more of a handicap for footballers. The disappoiniting thing is I thought Klitschko looked well beatable on the night if Haye had managed to find some courage. I would have liked to have known about the bad toe that prevents punches being thrown before I shelled out full dollar to watch a fight really. The idea of a rematch is horrible. Perhaps the winner of that bout could fight Audley Harrison and this endless circus in the heavyweights could continue. 


Completely agree with a Mantis post ;)

Lack of heart for me from Haye. Who knows what could have happened had he been willing to step out of his comfort zone and taken a few shots on the way in to try and land his own.

Some people last night were saying that they would have given more for the millions Haye got. Bet they wouldn't be willing to do all the training and early fights for no money in order to earn that purse though!

So, who is going to come along and rescue the heavyweight division seeing as it's not Haye?

David Price imo.Still a while to go but 11-0 and will have a shot at British title soon.

Long long way to go. for Price.  Has made a promising start but no more than that.  A fight with Chisora (assuming he beats Fury) will be a decent marker of where he is at.  I'd expect Del Boy to win that fwiw.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 03, 2011, 06:01:26 PM
When proper fighter Joe Calzaghe fought Jeff Lacy he landed well over a thousand punches on his man during the bout. Haye landed just 57 punches throughout the whole fight and most of those were glancing off balance blows. The toe had nothing to do with Haye's reluctance to step inside and put himself in the danger zone, that was all about lacking heart. Gary Lineker still bangged in the goals with a gammy big toe and it's kinda more of a handicap for footballers. The disappoiniting thing is I thought Klitschko looked well beatable on the night if Haye had managed to find some courage. I would have liked to have known about the bad toe that prevents punches being thrown before I shelled out full dollar to watch a fight really. The idea of a rematch is horrible. Perhaps the winner of that bout could fight Audley Harrison and this endless circus in the heavyweights could continue. 


Completely agree with a Mantis post ;)

Lack of heart for me from Haye. Who knows what could have happened had he been willing to step out of his comfort zone and taken a few shots on the way in to try and land his own.

Some people last night were saying that they would have given more for the millions Haye got. Bet they wouldn't be willing to do all the training and early fights for no money in order to earn that purse though!

So, who is going to come along and rescue the heavyweight division seeing as it's not Haye?

David Price imo.Still a while to go but 11-0 and will have a shot at British title soon.

Long long way to go. for Price.  Has made a promising start but no more than that.  A fight with Chisora (assuming he beats Fury) will be a decent marker of where he is at.  I'd expect Del Boy to win that fwiw.

I can see Chisora dispatching Furey and would be very interested in seeing a Chisora V Price fight afterwards. I think Price has v. good footwork and hand speed especially for his size, he has also shown a decent chin. Price did a lot of sparring with Haye prior to last night, probs how he got his broken toe...Not gonna get overly excited though as i have been let down a lot with boxing recently. Looking forward to Ortiz v Mayweather then hopefully the big one after that. Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 06, 2011, 10:27:31 AM
Schaefer of Golden Boy quoted as saying Mayweather wants to get the fight on with Pacman after they both fight, one time let this be true and not just bs.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12183_7022302,00.html

PS Just lol at Kahn having any kind of chance vs pbf.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 06, 2011, 11:26:48 AM
I really don't want to get my hopes up for a Pac-PBF fight as it has been so disappointing everytime it hasn't happened before


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on July 06, 2011, 11:44:34 AM
If Manny vs PBF never happens, it will be one of the saddest examples of the death of boxing. I hope to god that they have actually got it entirely planned and have for years, just milking it for all they can, but I am not holding my breath.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 06, 2011, 11:46:22 AM
I think the Pac - PBF fight is the only fight people still really want to see.
All other possible fights pale in comparison to this one.

Also think it will never happen :(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 06, 2011, 11:48:59 AM
Next March in Vegas, plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 06, 2011, 11:49:21 AM
I think the Pac - PBF fight is the only fight people still really want to see.
All other possible fights pale in comparison to this one.

Also think it will never happen :(

I agree with it being the only fight the fans want to see, but i think and hope that it will happen.

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh26/hardyz4real/f_1ec507b5bdc6.gif) FTW


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 06, 2011, 11:53:33 AM
I think the Pac - PBF fight is the only fight people still really want to see.
All other possible fights pale in comparison to this one.

Also think it will never happen :(

I agree with it being the only fight the fans want to see, but i think and hope that it will happen.

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh26/hardyz4real/f_1ec507b5bdc6.gif) FTW

Hope you're right


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 06, 2011, 12:07:43 PM
I think the Pac - PBF fight is the only fight people still really want to see.
All other possible fights pale in comparison to this one.

Also think it will never happen :(

I agree with it being the only fight the fans want to see, but i think and hope that it will happen.

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh26/hardyz4real/f_1ec507b5bdc6.gif) FTW

Hope you're right

He's wrong, Mayweather won't be doing any chasing :) Other than that, spot on though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 07, 2011, 02:02:07 PM
Why is everyone all of a sudden going on about Hatton retiring? i thought it was done and dusted, nailed on!?. His career was completely over anyway. His fight against Pacman looked like a drunken yob starting a fight with a world class professional boxer.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on July 07, 2011, 02:07:54 PM
I thought Hatton had already retired! Had to be the right decision after Pacquiao, there wasn't anything left to do apart from ruin his legacy.

Definitely one of my favourite boxers, was good to watch the majority of the time and always comes across as a good bloke imo.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 07, 2011, 02:09:03 PM
I thought Hatton had already retired! Had to be the right decision after Pacquiao, there wasn't anything left to do apart from ruin his legacy.

Definitely one of my favourite boxers, was good to watch the majority of the time and always comes across as a good bloke imo.


Very much this.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on July 07, 2011, 03:27:10 PM
I thought Hatton had already retired! Had to be the right decision after Pacquiao, there wasn't anything left to do apart from ruin his legacy.

Definitely one of my favourite boxers, was good to watch the majority of the time and always comes across as a good bloke imo.



this

also loved his banter with PBF before their fight, shame he got outclassed, but a legend nonetheless.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 07, 2011, 05:38:58 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYnL5dZ2eBk

thought he has the last laugh here


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 07, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
rotflmfao class.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: EvilPie on July 07, 2011, 10:08:09 PM
rotflmfao class.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on July 07, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYnL5dZ2eBk

thought he has the last laugh here

Brilliant, didnt realise how funny he was until the build up to the fight, and now that was pure class, might actually be worth a rematch just for the pisstake.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on July 07, 2011, 10:36:00 PM
What's even more frustrating is he's clearly been caught by Haye under his left eye. Makes you wonder if Haye could have done a bit more.

Wlad's definitely come out of his shell since this all began. He seems like an extremely intelligent, charming and classy World Champ. People moan about his style but the real issue he faces is that Americans are never going to take to someone they probably all think is Russian. Makes it a lot harder for heavyweight boxing right now that we've now fights in America likely to happen any time soon.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 08, 2011, 10:52:40 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYnL5dZ2eBk

thought he has the last laugh here

The only post of Herbie's to ever make me laugh. Wp lil man. Wp.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 08, 2011, 11:20:28 AM
disappointed it was not my own work tho.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on July 08, 2011, 03:42:39 PM
What's even more frustrating is he's clearly been caught by Haye under his left eye.



Nah, he got that from walking into a cupboard or something.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 08, 2011, 05:09:31 PM
I'm reading Barry McGuigan's autobiography at the moment and highly recommend it. What a great fighter and an incredible man.

19 million watched him on telly in the UK when he fought for the world title for the first time at Loftus Road!


Cyclone - My Story (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyclone-My-Story-Barry-McGuigan/dp/0753539942/ref=as_li_wdgt_js_ex?&camp=2486&linkCode=wsw&tag=blondepoker-21&creative=8918)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 12, 2011, 01:57:13 PM
Should be a banger!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkZQPfzX73I


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 12, 2011, 02:14:50 PM
not really seen tony until his press conference at the groves fight , after which i think he failed the weigh in. i like his attitude which i find a bit weird because i hated hayes attitude


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 16, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
Looking forward to the boxing tonight esp the Murry & Mitchell fight..
Might have a few £ on Ricky Burns, Murry, Tony Bellow and Frankie Gavin..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 16, 2011, 02:23:52 PM
Looking forward to the boxing tonight esp the Murry & Mitchell fight..
Might have a few £ on Ricky Burns, Murry, Tony Bellow and Frankie Gavin..
i just wanna see some decent fighting. tony bellow is the pick of the fights but do hope he gets put on his arse a couple of times before knocking out mckenzie. actually i would not mind mckenzie knocking him out. lol


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2011, 02:40:59 PM
Rumours abound about the Burns fight.  Massive move on Burns to win by 3 and has been reportted to the Gambling commission.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 16, 2011, 10:12:13 PM
bit tame that. are we gonna see any explosive fights or should i watch ruperts table on the tv?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2011, 10:16:19 PM
Murray - Mitchell should be a good fight later.  Burns-Cook a bit of a lottery tbh.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2011, 10:18:20 PM
oh.....and "funtime" Frankie Gavin should be renamed as "marginallymoreexcitingthanwatchingpaintdry" Frankie


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on July 16, 2011, 10:25:15 PM
Murray - Mitchell should be a good fight later.  Burns-Cook a bit of a lottery tbh.

Surely Cook is here to fund his Tenerife bar.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on July 16, 2011, 10:28:47 PM
Sick


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 16, 2011, 10:29:32 PM
big gamble in 3 on burns???? they aint paying out on that


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2011, 10:31:37 PM
Absolute joke of a fight....should never have been in the ring in the first place.  Feel Sorry for Ricky Burns really


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2011, 10:34:36 PM
Presumably the gamble was for the 3rd second not the third round!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Horneris on July 16, 2011, 10:57:00 PM
Only just seen this.

I backed Burns to win in Rounds 1-6 @ 5/2 after being given some info about this. I was only told 2 mins before the fight so no time to share, sorry. Sadly I didn't go in too big as didn't want to ruin my accounts but was happy to get one over on Skybet who heavily restrict me anyway, won a couple of hundred.

Was absolute comedy, 7 seconds into the fight and he goes over clutching his back! I never expected it to be that easy.

Maybe the people who punted the 3rd round big time cleverly created a false gamble and had a lot of money very well spread on Round 1?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2011, 11:17:37 PM
Yeah I am hearing now there was money for all of the early rounds.  If there isn't a proper inquiry into this it will be shocking.  Also a bit of a question mark about whether Frank Warren might have known given the Mitchell-Murray fight was switched at last minute to this card after Mitchell was apparently ill??


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on July 16, 2011, 11:32:22 PM
Mitchell fight was incred!
Murray looked like he was going to walk through his shots all night but Mitchell was too good. Hope his problems have now gone and he's got his head on boxing as he looked class.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 18, 2011, 11:34:34 AM
Only caught up on the wknd's fights last night. Mitchell fight was everything i hoped for. He is back!! If he has truely stopped his partying he could still have a massive future.

Tonnes of names being thrown about for his next fight: Juan Manuel Marquez, Robert Guerrero, Brandon Rios, Miguel Vazquez, Gavin Rees, Michael Katsidis, David Diaz and Antonio DeMarco

Personally i would love to see a rematch with Katsidis. Mirror seems to think they are going straight for Rios. Mitchell has said he would have his first title defence which would be epic imo.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/boxing/2011/07/18/kevin-mitchell-back-on-top-of-the-world-after-conquering-his-demons-115875-23279067/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/boxing/2011/07/18/kevin-mitchell-back-on-top-of-the-world-after-conquering-his-demons-115875-23279067/)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 18, 2011, 12:04:45 PM
Think Mitchell put up a really great performance but have you ever seen a tougher fighter than John Murray.  Would love to see a rematch of that for a world title.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on July 23, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
Any know a good link for tonights boxing? pse!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 23, 2011, 10:13:21 PM
Any know a good link for tonights boxing? pse!

Having a look now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 23, 2011, 10:16:41 PM
Fury v Chisora is on Five now (well, the actual fight will be soon).



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 23, 2011, 10:17:54 PM
Fury v Chisora is on Five now (well, the actual fight will be soon).


is it worth trying to stay up for kahn or is it on at stupid o'clock


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 23, 2011, 10:19:32 PM
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=123318

For the Khan bill on HBO.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 23, 2011, 10:20:55 PM
Fury v Chisora is on Five now (well, the actual fight will be soon).


is it worth trying to stay up for kahn or is it on at stupid o'clock

Khan will be on at 3-ish I guess.  Definitely a fight worth watching, and Khan will have to be on form in this one with all the defensive skills Roach has been coaching him.  Judah can bang.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Graham C on July 23, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
3am for the Khan fight apparently. I'll be asleep by then.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on July 23, 2011, 10:32:28 PM
cheers Dan, just turned onto Ch5. think the 3am start is gonna be passed!

Ch5 production seems very 1980's


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on July 23, 2011, 10:51:23 PM
Khan fight is on channel 5?

is chisora/Fury fight on anywhere today? Link?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 23, 2011, 10:52:30 PM
Khan fight is on channel 5?

is chisora/Fury fight on anywhere today? Link?
lol. level?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: toddswain on July 23, 2011, 10:53:12 PM
chisora/fury on channel 5 now, kahn is on primetime (sky480)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on July 23, 2011, 10:56:01 PM
Had no idea tytyty


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 23, 2011, 10:57:24 PM
Fury is hilarious.......fighting well but still suspicion that Del Boy might catch him with one of those big right hands


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 23, 2011, 10:58:46 PM
nice little scrap. enjoying them both wanting to throw punches. could go either way fury on points or chisora ko


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: toddswain on July 23, 2011, 10:59:26 PM
Fury is my new boxing hero, hes just loving it haha, such a cheeky guy


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on July 23, 2011, 11:03:20 PM
How much bigger are these two than heavyweights used to be? It's not far off watching sumo wrestling.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 23, 2011, 11:07:10 PM
How much bigger are these two than heavyweights used to be? It's not far off watching sumo wrestling.
dont think either these are gonna trouble klitschko brothers


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on July 23, 2011, 11:11:53 PM
Hilarious fight, very average fight standard wise but entertaining.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on July 23, 2011, 11:23:21 PM
Feel a bit for Chisora. Looks like his big payday will never happen


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 23, 2011, 11:24:49 PM
Think Fury will be difficult for anyone to fight against.  He is a bit like the Klitschkos in that he has a massive physical advantage.  Bit unfair really as such disparity only really happens in heavyweights.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 23, 2011, 11:26:01 PM
Hilarious fight, very average fight standard wise but entertaining.



Far better to watch than Haye, but yes, both limited to British championship level.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 23, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Jesus is a big boxing fan.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on July 23, 2011, 11:33:05 PM
I think Fury has a bit going for him, has an interesting personality, young, an entertaining fighting style and an incred name for a boxer. With the right kind of promotion he could make a few bob.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 23, 2011, 11:35:52 PM
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=123318

For the Khan bill on HBO.
ffs. can you send me an idiots guide to what i have to do dan. look complicated


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 23, 2011, 11:47:38 PM
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=123318

For the Khan bill on HBO.
ffs. can you send me an idiots guide to what i have to do dan. look complicated


Click on links.

Or pay for it on PPV. That might be easier.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 23, 2011, 11:48:02 PM
Chisora had moobs. Not much else to say. Out of condition and looked spent almost immediately.

Fury was incred. Abs nutso throughout and put the likes of Haye and Harrison to shame with how much he loved the flying fists, even offering congratz to Chisora after he had one good round. Don't think it's fair to cap his ability at the age of 22. Has the physique and mentality to trouble anyone with the right guidance. Needs better technical people around him though as he looked crude and basic but then again when your trainer is asking other people what round it is there's no surprise.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 23, 2011, 11:57:37 PM
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=123318

For the Khan bill on HBO.
ffs. can you send me an idiots guide to what i have to do dan. look complicated


Click on links.

Or pay for it on PPV. That might be easier.
yes got sky hd. will do that if awake and fail on your link


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 24, 2011, 01:50:45 AM
rekon i've got it kinboshi. gary russel jnr ATM.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Free_Rollin on July 24, 2011, 03:14:12 AM
Getting pumped for this fight. Streaming from my2p2.

It's weird but I've always wanted Khan to win in his fights, but I've never warmed to him much as a boxer. I'm probably just too much of a Mayweather, Pacman and Haye fanboy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: thediceman on July 24, 2011, 03:14:47 AM
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/74637/1/watch-hbo-boxing-:-amir-khan-vs-zab-judah.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on July 24, 2011, 03:24:14 AM
http://sportingtv.eu/


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: GrannyDee on July 24, 2011, 03:29:14 AM
Khan's round they are both lightning on their feet


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: GrannyDee on July 24, 2011, 03:30:30 AM
Who brought the damn vuvuzela!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 24, 2011, 03:44:45 AM
great work from kahn


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on July 24, 2011, 03:47:47 AM
I have no idea who the other guy is but khan killed him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on July 24, 2011, 03:48:07 AM
Judah gave up, he will be moaning post fight about a "low" blow. It was pretty close, the end result would be exactly same no matter what.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: GrannyDee on July 24, 2011, 03:53:02 AM
Good performance by Khan, Judah looked out of ideas and heart by the 3rd


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Amatay on July 24, 2011, 03:53:45 AM
Judah gave up, he will be moaning post fight about a "low" blow. It was pretty close, the end result would be exactly same no matter what.



This.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on July 24, 2011, 03:59:13 AM
Forgot to say I was really impressed by Khan, looks the real deal at the moment.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on July 24, 2011, 04:00:43 AM
Hit me in the balls...  yba lol

He had enough of getting his boat smashed up and took the easy way out. Stay down until it's over and then act all indignant afterwards

Dr Roach setting up clinics!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 24, 2011, 04:09:28 AM
He said he thought he was getting a standing 8 count but there was no 8 count rule in the fight, gg.

Impressive from Kahn, clearly Roach is the nuts but totally disagree that Kahn is in the same class as Manny or Pbf, he'd get schooled by either.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2011, 09:25:05 AM
OK, it was a faded Judah, but Khan can only beat what's in front of him and he did that in style.

Won every round and was too quick, too accurate and hit too hard for Judah to live with.

Khan ready to move up to the next class of opponent now. Just wish he'd also move to a new promotional team.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 24, 2011, 11:38:10 AM
There ain't much left for him as far as a step up in class. The gulf is too wide between the likes of zab who Kahn destroys and the 2 best lb for lb fighters who will both destroy him. He will be undisputed world champ but only when Manny and Pbf decide they have had enough.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 24, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Don't really agree with that Jason.  Timothy Bradley is the real deal and would give him a proper test.  i wouldn't want to be a big backer of Khan at odds on in that fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 24, 2011, 12:18:45 PM
Don't really agree with that Jason.  Timothy Bradley is the real deal and would give him a proper test.  i wouldn't want to be a big backer of Khan at odds on in that fight.
i did not  think Bradley was even in Zabs class until that showing last night. Zab is obv past his best by now (and was looking to get out of there imo).  one  thing i will say in his defense is i have never worn a belt before but would imagine that if kahn hits you flush on it then maybe it pulls up into your nuts. the punch was moving upwards and i do have plenty of experience with the wife and she only has to graze my nuts and i'm not beating any 10 count. Bradley, maybe prescott, Pbf then Manny  in that order but think people will see it as a no win for Kahn as everyone will be saying "could he have lived with the two greats in their prime".


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2011, 04:02:44 PM
They have protection over their nuts.  The punch wasn't low, it was on the belt and Judah was simply looking for a way out and didn't want any more punishment from Khan.

There are plenty of boxers in the division for Khan to face other than Pacquiao and Mayweather. If he wants to establish himself as one of the best pound-for-pound fighters out there, he needs to clear up his division first.  At the same time, he'd be making a pretty penny too - probably more if he was managed more intelligently.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 24, 2011, 04:52:20 PM
If you get hit in the nuts you don't writhe around in agony until the ref reaches 10 and then look straight up and start complaining. You stay down for about 1 hour and then gingerly get to your feet when everybody's gone home. Haye's little toe, Judah's nut graze, wtf is going on? Khan looked pretty slick to me and for Judah to stay down tells a lot about how dominate he was. With Roach in the corner I think Khan has a chance against anyone.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 24, 2011, 04:58:54 PM
If you get hit in the nuts you don't writhe around in agony until the ref reaches 10 and then look straight up and start complaining. You stay down for about 1 hour and then gingerly get to your feet when everybody's gone home. Haye's little toe, Judah's nut graze, wtf is going on? Khan looked pretty slick to me and for Judah to stay down tells a lot about how dominate he was. With Roach in the corner I think Khan has a chance against anyone.
i always thought the nuts guard was attached to the belt in some way. this obv aint the case having seen how high some belts ride. Who can Kahn fight in the next  3 fights?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 24, 2011, 05:05:19 PM
If you get hit in the nuts you don't writhe around in agony until the ref reaches 10 and then look straight up and start complaining. You stay down for about 1 hour and then gingerly get to your feet when everybody's gone home. Haye's little toe, Judah's nut graze, wtf is going on? Khan looked pretty slick to me and for Judah to stay down tells a lot about how dominate he was. With Roach in the corner I think Khan has a chance against anyone.
i always thought the nuts guard was attached to the belt in some way. this obv aint the case having seen how high some belts ride. Who can Kahn fight in the next  3 fights?

Supposed to be Erik Morales in Dec and then step up to fight pretty boy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2011, 05:23:57 PM
If you get hit in the nuts you don't writhe around in agony until the ref reaches 10 and then look straight up and start complaining. You stay down for about 1 hour and then gingerly get to your feet when everybody's gone home. Haye's little toe, Judah's nut graze, wtf is going on? Khan looked pretty slick to me and for Judah to stay down tells a lot about how dominate he was. With Roach in the corner I think Khan has a chance against anyone.

Agree (again!) with all of this.  The Khan fighting under Roach is a completely different fighter.  Morales will be a big test though, despite Morales being well past his best, still a great fighter.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 24, 2011, 05:30:01 PM
If you get hit in the nuts you don't writhe around in agony until the ref reaches 10 and then look straight up and start complaining. You stay down for about 1 hour and then gingerly get to your feet when everybody's gone home. Haye's little toe, Judah's nut graze, wtf is going on? Khan looked pretty slick to me and for Judah to stay down tells a lot about how dominate he was. With Roach in the corner I think Khan has a chance against anyone.

Agree (again!) with all of this.  The Khan fighting under Roach is a completely different fighter.  Morales will be a big test though, despite Morales being well past his best, still a great fighter.
so another no win situation for kahn. whats happened to prescott since beating kahn?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on July 24, 2011, 08:13:47 PM
Mitchell dealt with him to stop the hype.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on August 26, 2011, 07:12:27 AM
Whens next big fight coming up? Is it Mayweather?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on August 26, 2011, 07:16:15 AM
Mayweather v Ortiz 17th Sept is the next real big one IMO.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: thediceman on August 26, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
Mayweather v Ortiz 17th Sept is the next real big one IMO.


Tito will destroy Pacman. He's twice his size and will beat him via ground & pound. Boxers never do well vs MMA.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on August 26, 2011, 12:34:22 PM
Mayweather v Ortiz 17th Sept is the next real big one IMO.


Tito will destroy Pacman. He's twice his size and will beat him via ground & pound. Boxers never do well vs MMA.

the Honnington Beach Bad Boy has to do Mayweather first, real brave to come back and jump straight into UFC.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: dino1980 on September 13, 2011, 12:55:35 AM
I have a spare ticket to Prizefighter (http://www.prizefighter.co.uk/home.htm) at York Hall, Bethnal Green on Thursday night. Ticket originally cost £35, if anyone's interested drop me a PM.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on September 13, 2011, 06:29:42 PM
I have a spare ticket to Prizefighter (http://www.prizefighter.co.uk/home.htm) at York Hall, Bethnal Green on Thursday night. Ticket originally cost £35, if anyone's interested drop me a PM.
oi. this is theBig Boxing Thread....bloody touts ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2011, 12:36:38 PM
Anybody watching fight on saturday/sunday morning?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 17, 2011, 05:58:35 AM
Anybody watching fight on saturday/sunday morning?

Planning to watch it, checked yesterday just out of interest to see how much a ticket was, even the cheapest tickets at $130 where still available, I thought it'd be sold out ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 17, 2011, 03:20:21 PM
PPV for me.. Think Mayweather win on points but by 4 am i'll be asleep on settee.. gg £15..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 18, 2011, 12:53:13 AM
Link for the channel which will hopefully hold out through the card too..

http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html (http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 18, 2011, 12:54:37 AM
Is 4 when its starting, undercard any good ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 18, 2011, 01:30:34 AM
Saul Alvarez vs Alfonso Gomez

Erik Morales vs Lucas Martin Matthysse


Not sure which one is on first but I'd guess Alvarez


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: geordieneil on September 18, 2011, 01:42:11 AM
undercard starts at 2am afaik

this links pretty good, if you go full screen u dont get the shitty pop up ads



http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/84459/1/watch-hbo-boxing:-mayweather-vs-ortiz.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: donttiltboy on September 18, 2011, 01:43:09 AM
Link for the channel which will hopefully hold out through the card too..

http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html (http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html)

looks good cheers!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: geordieneil on September 18, 2011, 05:21:27 AM
mayweather showed his true class, headbutted or not his shots were out of order

but the pensioner interviewer pwned him.........lmfao " if i was 50 years younger i'd kick your ASS"


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on September 18, 2011, 05:22:28 AM
yes. that was com......ffloyd did not show his class after the fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 18, 2011, 05:28:23 AM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incred scenes, Ortiz tries to cheat and Mayweather insta sparks him in debatable circumstances.

Joe Cortez is an abs joke to the sport, how on earth does he ref at this level.

Gutted Pbf kicked off in the interview so nothing got mentioned about Manny ffs.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 18, 2011, 05:32:45 AM
Such a huge shame if them two don't get it on, they have to, plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 18, 2011, 05:40:56 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2038332/Manny-Pacquiao-sets-Floyd-Mayweather-deadline.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 18, 2011, 05:53:04 AM
Bit of luck there thanks to the clown Cortez :D

   Bouts 17 September / Mayweather Jr v Ortiz / Go The Distance?    No    Back    16369426056    18-Sep-11
05:00         C    2.06    16.00         2.06    16.96    
   Bouts 17 September / Mayweather Jr v Ortiz / Round Betting    Mayweather Jr Round 4    Back    16369419227    18-Sep-11
04:54         C    44    2.00         44    86.00    
   Bouts 17 September / Mayweather Jr v Ortiz / Round Betting    Mayweather Jr Round 5    Back    16369418386    18-Sep-11
04:54         C    38    2.00         38    (2.00)    
   Bouts 17 September / Mayweather Jr v Ortiz / Round Betting    Mayweather Jr Round 12    Back    16369417669    18-Sep-11
04:53         C    36    4.00         36    (4.00)    
   Bouts 17 September / Mayweather Jr v Ortiz / Round Betting    Mayweather Jr Round 3    Back    16369416454    18-Sep-11
04:53         C    50    2.00         50    (2.00)    
   Bouts 17 September / Mayweather Jr v Ortiz / Round Betting    Mayweather Jr Round 2    Back    16369415975    18-Sep-11
04:52         C    70    2.00         70    (2.00)    
   Bouts 17 September / Mayweather Jr v Ortiz / Round Betting    Mayweather Jr Round 1    Back    16369415704    18-Sep-11
04:52         C    95    2.00         95    (2.00)

I never normally bet on boxing but my mate said the prices were stupid so I just randomly bet on a few and luckily managed to scoop a few beer tokens for Killarney


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on September 18, 2011, 08:18:35 AM
Weirdest end to a fight since Tyson bit Holyfield's ear off.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Amatay on September 18, 2011, 09:56:06 AM
Fkin reeeedic!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Amatay on September 18, 2011, 10:00:49 AM
haha, this is superb at the end!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a8NTEx2tCs


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on September 18, 2011, 10:43:47 AM
Never ever liked Larry Merchant, always thought he was one of the worst interviewers I have ever seen in any form of media, but respect to him for not letting that entitled little shit bully him.

Boxing needs Manny to shut him up, alas I fear it will bever happen, and if not, will be the end of boxing pretty much for me.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on September 18, 2011, 10:51:48 AM
What a wanker  :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: outragous76 on September 18, 2011, 11:06:21 AM
Wow

On every level the guy finally shows he is classless

When they break, the first punch is bad, but I'm sorry the second punch is absolutely dispicable


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: action man on September 18, 2011, 01:28:49 PM
would have been the best moment in sporting history if Larry laid him out


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: GreekStein on September 18, 2011, 01:36:11 PM
yeah not only is Larry Merchant useless but he's always been disrespectful towards boxers.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 18, 2011, 01:36:30 PM
See Sky refunded losing bets on Ortiz, sick fade.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: action man on September 18, 2011, 02:13:54 PM
all £4.21p of them


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on September 18, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
all £4.21p of them

lol


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 18, 2011, 03:07:23 PM
all £4.21p of them

Haha.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 18, 2011, 11:53:39 PM
Wow just seen this - what a classeless prick Mayweather is.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: geordieneil on September 19, 2011, 05:38:51 AM
post fight press conference pretty much answers when a Mayweather v Pacquiao fight might happen...............probably never

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/14966471.stm



grow a pair PBF, there is a year and a half between yous so dont blame age you pussy. been running for over 3 years too.




Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 19, 2011, 05:45:40 AM
So Mayweather won't fight him because he's too good, we all knew that anyway, how is age an issue, manny isn't young, his 0 means nothing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on September 19, 2011, 07:52:16 AM
PBF lives in such a bubble that I don't think he will ever understand the public pressure to take this fight, or the historical significance of it, he will retire loaded and with hangers on calling him champ for the rest of his life. I actually think Larry Merchant standing up to him will have been the first time anyone has ever made him realise his farts dont smell of roses.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on September 19, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Why all the hatred for pretty boy? He is one of the best boxers of all time. If Manny would agree to the drug tests the fight would go forward. But he won't. He is obviously on something.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 19, 2011, 02:15:43 PM
Why all the hatred for pretty boy? He is one of the best boxers of all time. If Manny would agree to the drug tests the fight would go forward. But he won't. He is obviously on something.

He has no class.  Brilliantly skilled boxer, and was pound-for-pound the best at his peak.

The bit about Pacquiao not agreeing to Mayweather's additional drug tests is inaccurate.  He did actually agree to doing them over a year ago. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on September 19, 2011, 02:20:18 PM
From my limited knowledge I was under the impression he agreed to be tested once on a scheduled date 2 months before the fight. PBF wanted him to agree to take a random one but he wouldn't.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 19, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
Manny has subsequently said he will submit to 14 day drug tests so PBF can't use that as an excuse and is probably why he doesn't try anymore.  Mayweather doesn't want the fight full stop.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on September 19, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
Yeh I think he's running scared although I still maintain the fight would be close.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: GreekStein on September 19, 2011, 06:55:15 PM
Yeh I think he's running scared although I still maintain the fight would be close.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 19, 2011, 08:55:34 PM
Thought this was an interesting read

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/19092011/58/mayweather-wrong-pacquiao-question.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/19092011/58/mayweather-wrong-pacquiao-question.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 20, 2011, 01:08:15 AM
It says in the artcile I put up above that Manny agreed to random drug tests, but then he wanted it to be USA Olympics commitee drug tests which would mean he'd have to train in the US, why should he have to do that, Mayweather keeps changing the terms because he doesn't want the fight to happen. I agree it'd be a close fight, that's why everyone wants to see it, but would expect Manny to win.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: vegaslover on September 22, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
Mayweather clearly doesn't want the fght. IIRC Manny said he would have testing as long as Maywather had exactly the same testing conditions, but Mayweather declined.
I think one of the reasons that he doesn't want to fight Manny is that Manny can't be intimidated, and will get round all the mayweather dirty tricks, such as the use of elbows etc.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on September 23, 2011, 08:47:01 AM
It is all just mind games from the Mayweather camp trying to get any edge they can.

burns v katsidis and groves v smith at Wembley 5th of November.

Ward v Froch has been put back. Due to a Ward getting cut in training.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 23, 2011, 08:56:54 AM
It is all just mind games from the Mayweather camp trying to get any edge they can.

burns v katsidis and groves v smith at Wembley 5th of November.

Ward v Froch has been put back. Due to a Ward getting cut in training.

You think it will happen ? I don't but hope I'm wrong.

Interesting story with olympics...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15020658



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on September 23, 2011, 02:09:25 PM
Weird, didn't show in my new replies feed.

Don't think it will happen tbh, would love it obv, but Mayweather is shit scared.

hadn't seen that story, Boxing has always been corrupt, story is probs true tbh, but in no way willl we they bink a gold now.

Good related story about the actual practicallity of fixing a match. Pretty tough.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/15023449.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/15023449.stm)



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 24, 2011, 06:01:39 PM
Bit late with this as I wanted to ensure I got on myself but think Gary Sykes is a big price at odds against this evening.  I have took as much 6/4 as I could get but 5/4 is fine.  I made him slight odds on.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Dubai on September 24, 2011, 06:08:28 PM
If u ever need help getting on with lads, corals or hills pm me


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: hombre32 on October 01, 2011, 01:02:41 PM
I am looking forward to watching Darren Barker tonight.

Does anyone give him a chance? Can't decide whether to have a heart ruling the head £10 punt on him at 17/2!!!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 14, 2011, 10:44:35 PM
What channel is the Cleverly v Bellew fight on tmoro ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 14, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
It is on boxnation (sky456) which is free to the end of the month.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 15, 2011, 02:52:13 PM
It is on boxnation (sky456) which is free to the end of the month.

Cheers, it's a quite big fight domestically yeah ? Suprised it's not on a major channel.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on October 15, 2011, 03:05:39 PM
Hope Clev shuts him up. Knockout inside 6 would be nice.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on October 15, 2011, 03:17:34 PM
They reckon Boxnation is going to be the end of ppv, i can't see too many people paying a tenna a month for it tbh, but we will see as after the last couple of ppvs in this country nobody is interested in paying that either. Looking forward to it tonight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 15, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
It is going to get to the point where you are paying for four or five sets of channels.  I love boxing and will watch undercards and regional title fights etc so boxnation might be worth it for me but at the moment I don't even pay for espn which I know is -EV for me but it just seems I find very little time to watch more sport.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 15, 2011, 07:39:22 PM
To be fair this new channel is different class on a night like tonight.  Showing all the undercard and Keys, Woodhall and Bunce are a great combination.  Bunce in particular is very good.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on October 15, 2011, 11:19:44 PM
I don't see a World Champion in the ring


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 15, 2011, 11:25:29 PM
Cleverly should go away from here I would think but this is his level....a minor world championship.  Same goes for DeGale.  He will never win a world title.  Think tonight proved George Groves fight was no fluke.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 15, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
Shows what i know....this is mighty close and Bellew is at home


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on October 15, 2011, 11:43:58 PM
I don't see a World Champion in the ring

This, going a bit ott in the commentary and studio about the quality of that fight imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 15, 2011, 11:52:43 PM
I thought it was a cracking fight to be honest.  The punch Cleverly took in the seventh or eighth would have knocked down most world title holders.  They both have superb chins and can bang a bit.  I don't think either is top class but they aren't far off.  Both are good European level at least.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on October 15, 2011, 11:58:17 PM
I thought it was entertaining and they threw a lot of punches. Agree their chins are both solid.
Just thought that defensively both looked poor.
Couldn't see 5 rounds difference between them either.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 16, 2011, 01:03:26 AM
Link for the Hopkins fight if anyone hasn't got one, used same one for the Cleverly fight and it was pretty solid.


http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html# (http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html#)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 16, 2011, 02:28:40 AM
I thought it was a really good fight, as Jose says no idea how a judge could score it 117-112, watched a different fight to me.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 16, 2011, 02:43:27 AM
The 117-112 was simply ridic.  I had Clev win by two.  I thought going into the last round Bellew would win it if he won that round tbh given the venue.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 16, 2011, 02:56:02 AM
Just watching Malignaggi.  If i was Eddie hearn I would be thinking about him as a possible prelim to a world title fight for Kell Brook.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 16, 2011, 05:09:14 AM
I really should know better than killing myself to stay up until 5am to watch Bernard hopkins........ffs.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 16, 2011, 05:15:30 AM
I really should know better than killing myself to stay up until 5am to watch Bernard hopkins........ffs.

Still at least you got paid :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 16, 2011, 05:16:33 AM
wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii......didn't see that coming at all....would have bet 1/10 no contest.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 16, 2011, 05:24:57 AM
I'm still pending...
 
         
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Fight result
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Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 16, 2011, 05:35:36 AM
What a touch, gets me out of it from the poor result in teh United game anyway....


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: lvlarc_uk on October 16, 2011, 05:50:40 AM
I had Dawson to win by Decision. That was a complete farce, in no way was that a TKO, Hopkins hurled to the ground, unable to continue due to injury (fake or not) so ref rules a TKO win for Dawson. Should have been a NC/ND or even a Hopkins win by DQ before a Dawson TKO.  WTF  ;frustrated;

I'll be surprised if the commission doesn't overturn the result as a NC. What stance will the bookies take?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 16, 2011, 06:11:24 AM
I had Dawson to win by Decision. That was a complete farce, in no way was that a TKO, Hopkins hurled to the ground, unable to continue due to injury (fake or not) so ref rules a TKO win for Dawson. Should have been a NC/ND or even a Hopkins win by DQ before a Dawson TKO.  WTF  ;frustrated;

I'll be surprised if the commission doesn't overturn the result as a NC. What stance will the bookies take?

Agree completely and that was exactly what the pundits said in the studio afterwards and they think it'll be ruled a NC after they look at it again.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on October 16, 2011, 08:46:51 AM
Here's a real boxer, Kimbo moves to 2-0.....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD9XyB-WJaw

And his debut......

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z74AW2IG4Dc


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2011, 09:14:51 AM
Is that Matt in the 2nd vid? I would have thought he could take Kimbo TBH.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 17, 2011, 09:46:04 AM
I had Dawson to win by Decision. That was a complete farce, in no way was that a TKO, Hopkins hurled to the ground, unable to continue due to injury (fake or not) so ref rules a TKO win for Dawson. Should have been a NC/ND or even a Hopkins win by DQ before a Dawson TKO.  WTF  ;frustrated;

I'll be surprised if the commission doesn't overturn the result as a NC. What stance will the bookies take?

Which bookie is it with? You´d need a miracle to get a refund here.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 17, 2011, 09:32:03 PM
Yeah you have basically no chance.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 17, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
Yeah you have basically no chance.

This, even if the result is overturned (which is equally unlikely, I cannot ever recall seeing a decision being overrulled) the bookie almost always pays out based on the result at the time. This also protects those punters who backed a KO.

Thats the stinker in boxing, completely unfair decisions always make it a tricky sport to bet on.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: BrumBilly on October 21, 2011, 11:11:00 AM
WBC rules fight a 'technical draw' giving Hopkins his belt back. Californian Boxing Commission hasn't ruled yet but expected to declare a 'no contest'. Either way, Hopkins gets his belt back (correctly IMO) but shouldn't change things re bookies and payouts (fwiw if Hills decide to take money out of my account as a result I'll be withdrawing the balance!).


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 25, 2011, 02:47:00 PM
Last night I half jokingly suggested to my wife that we should take a pre weekend trip to Atlantic City on the weekend of, say, 17th december just before Xmas to watch the Froch-Ward fight and Kell Brook on the same bill.  To my amazement she thought this was a great idea!!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: outragous76 on October 25, 2011, 02:48:47 PM
Last night I half jokingly suggested to my wife that we should take a pre weekend trip to Atlantic City on the weekend of, say, 17th december just before Xmas to watch the Froch-Ward fight and Kell Brook on the same bill.  To my amazement she thought this was a great idea!!!!!

very nice work


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 25, 2011, 03:16:17 PM
Last night I half jokingly suggested to my wife that we should take a pre weekend trip to Atlantic City on the weekend of, say, 17th december just before Xmas to watch the Froch-Ward fight and Kell Brook on the same bill.  To my amazement she thought this was a great idea!!!!!

very nice work on finding her!

FYP


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 09, 2011, 10:10:45 AM
Anybody watching the Pacman this saturday night/sunday morning..? 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 09, 2011, 10:14:01 AM
if i am in and can get a decent stream i will be, not paying for it though. Been stung to many times. Pac man vs Mayweather is the only way i will pay for another fight. until Price is ready to take on a Klitschko.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 09, 2011, 11:22:38 AM
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sites/default/files/a_images/graphics/infographics/pacmar_preloader.swf


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 09, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
Will be a good fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 09, 2011, 11:32:29 AM
Will be a good fight.

It may well be but that said it's a pretty pointless fight, anything other than a Pacman win would be a huge shock, and is extremely unlikely. The main reason I would watch the fight is too listen to the post match interview when Manny has won to see what he says when he gets asked the inevitable question about Mayweather, and even that has a pretty predictable outcome.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 10, 2011, 03:12:33 PM
Will be a good fight.

It may well be but that said it's a pretty pointless fight, anything other than a Pacman win would be a huge shock, and is extremely unlikely. The main reason I would watch the fight is too listen to the post match interview when Manny has won to see what he says when he gets asked the inevitable question about Mayweather, and even that has a pretty predictable outcome.

Not sure why it's a pointless fight?  If Mayweather was hit by a bus today and killed, would Pacquiao just hang up his gloves?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 10, 2011, 04:59:44 PM
Will be a good fight.

It may well be but that said it's a pretty pointless fight, anything other than a Pacman win would be a huge shock, and is extremely unlikely. The main reason I would watch the fight is too listen to the post match interview when Manny has won to see what he says when he gets asked the inevitable question about Mayweather, and even that has a pretty predictable outcome.

Not sure why it's a pointless fight?  If Mayweather was hit by a bus today and killed, would Pacquiao just hang up his gloves?

If I was Pacquiao and thought that nobody could even come close to competing with me then yes, I'd hang up my gloves.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 10, 2011, 08:49:38 PM
I'd keep knocking out suckers for $20m a pop


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 12, 2011, 03:48:25 PM
Had a little fun bet on Marquez to win in any round @ 125-1 probably burning £12 but as i love Manny anyway its a win win.. Although i can't see any other result than a Manny stoppage..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Jamier-Host on November 12, 2011, 06:19:34 PM
I'd keep knocking out suckers for $20m a pop

Too right.

Marquez never been stopped so going for Pacman on points @ 9/4 I reckon.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 12, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
Had a little fun bet on Marquez to win in any round @ 125-1 probably burning £12 but as i love Manny anyway its a win win.. Although i can't see any other result than a Manny stoppage..

where did you see this bet? i don't think it wil happen but i would be insane not to have a tickle!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 12, 2011, 07:16:42 PM
Had a little fun bet on Marquez to win in any round @ 125-1 probably burning £12 but as i love Manny anyway its a win win.. Although i can't see any other result than a Manny stoppage..

where did you see this bet? i don't think it wil happen but i would be insane not to have a tickle!

Think i've wrote it down wrong Dave, basically i've got £1 on each round @125-1..  12 rounds=£12
But after the 40 + 40 X 2 +1 =? question i'm doubting my math skills, so could be wrong..   ;djinn;

You watching Tyson lol Fury on channel 5 tonight?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 12, 2011, 07:32:29 PM
Had a little fun bet on Marquez to win in any round @ 125-1 probably burning £12 but as i love Manny anyway its a win win.. Although i can't see any other result than a Manny stoppage..

where did you see this bet? i don't think it wil happen but i would be insane not to have a tickle!

Think i've wrote it down wrong Dave, basically i've got £1 on each round @125-1..  12 rounds=£12
But after the 40 + 40 X 2 +1 =? question i'm doubting my math skills, so could be wrong..   ;djinn;

You watching Tyson lol Fury on channel 5 tonight?

Ahhh that makes sense now! I thought 125-1 to win in any round was insane.  80-1 per round on VC so 125 is still a good price. Was gonna swerve but might have a little taster. Worst days punting for a fair while for me so nothing drastic.

yea. will be watching, watched Chisora last night as well. Don't particularly like either of them tbh. Them two are almost as bad as Williams and Skelton.  Massive soft spot for David Price though and i hope he gets the chance to put either one or both of them to bed. Makes me lol that they both talk about fighting Klitschko. British heavyweight boxing is quite embarrassing atm. Wouldn't mind Pajkic shutting him up but I don't think he is the biggest puncher tbh.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 12, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
Had a little fun bet on Marquez to win in any round @ 125-1 probably burning £12 but as i love Manny anyway its a win win.. Although i can't see any other result than a Manny stoppage..

where did you see this bet? i don't think it wil happen but i would be insane not to have a tickle!

Think i've wrote it down wrong Dave, basically i've got £1 on each round @125-1..  12 rounds=£12
But after the 40 + 40 X 2 +1 =? question i'm doubting my math skills, so could be wrong..   ;djinn;

You watching Tyson lol Fury on channel 5 tonight?

Ahhh that makes sense now! I thought 125-1 to win in any round was insane.  80-1 per round on VC so 125 is still a good price. Was gonna swerve but might have a little taster. Worst days punting for a fair while for me so nothing drastic.

yea. will be watching, watched Chisora last night as well. Don't particularly like either of them tbh. Them two are almost as bad as Williams and Skelton.  Massive soft spot for David Price though and i hope he gets the chance to put either one or both of them to bed. Makes me lol that they both talk about fighting Klitschko. British heavyweight boxing is quite embarrassing atm. Wouldn't mind Pajkic shutting him up but I don't think he is the biggest puncher tbh.
Yeh think the whole Heavyweight division is shocking at the mo, only seen a couple of David Price's fights but would love for him to fight Fury...
Feel slightly embarrased mentioning Tyson Fury on this thread tbh..  ;hide;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 12, 2011, 09:18:36 PM
Fury isn't bad but all of them are a long way behind Haye never mind the Klitschkos.  Was just taking a look at the British Welterweight division and each one of the top ten is stronger pound for pound than our heavyweights at the moment.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 12, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
Chris Eubank Jr. 

A lot of talent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on November 12, 2011, 10:21:18 PM
Chris Eubank Jr. 

A lot of talent.

According to my work colleague his dad has got the biggest cock she has ever seen  :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Raman on November 12, 2011, 11:26:58 PM
Anyone got an idea of when the fighters will be in the ring in the Manny v Marquez fight?

And if someone could post a decent link near the time it would be much appreciated.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 12, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Chris Eubank Jr. 

A lot of talent.

Based on what?  One fight against a journeyman that didn't throw one punch in the handful of rounds it lasted?  He could be a very good fighter but he is going to need a lot more testing opponents than tonights to prove he has talent nevermind a lot of talent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 13, 2011, 12:00:11 AM
This is guna be a 4am job at least yeah ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 13, 2011, 12:04:07 AM
yep - probably closer to 5 realistically


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 13, 2011, 12:05:00 AM
yep - probably closer to 5 realistically

I know you don't favour the odds on bets but surely this must be buying money for someone like you ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 13, 2011, 02:54:40 AM
http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html# (http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html#)

Solid link for the Pac fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on November 13, 2011, 03:01:09 AM
http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html# (http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html#)

Solid link for the Pac fight

Down


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 13, 2011, 03:11:38 AM
working ok for me still  :dontask:


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 13, 2011, 03:14:32 AM
If you refresh when it freezes then it should reactivate http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html# (http://www.boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html#)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: BrumBilly on November 13, 2011, 05:53:01 AM
Can pretty much safely say I'll NEVER bet boxing again after having taken 13/2 Marquez just before the bell only to see him outwork, outskill and outpunch Pac virtually all fight and have it stolen from him. I backed the draw in running to cover myself as the only way I could see them stitching him up would be to declare a bogus draw but to actually give Pac the fight is up there with the worst decisions I've seen and there have been a few!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: ScottMGee on November 13, 2011, 06:02:09 AM
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Can pretty much safely say I'll NEVER bet boxing again after having taken 13/2 Marquez just before the bell only to see him outwork, outskill and outpunch Pac virtually all fight and have it stolen from him. I backed the draw in running to cover myself as the only way I could see them stitching him up would be to declare a bogus draw but to actually give Pac the fight is up there with the worst decisions I've seen and there have been a few

I got away a little luckier.

Backed Marquez at 9-1 to win, with rounds 10, 11 & 12 on the side at average of about 150-1. Laid Marquez off at evens during the 9th round just to protect myself. Small win overall.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: BrumBilly on November 13, 2011, 06:11:37 AM
wp....old fashioned bookies online for me so the best I could do was back the draw...they throw the book at a kid for bowling no-balls to order yet the faceless money men behind this fiasco will just move on to the next shady deal. Shaking my head


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 13, 2011, 09:18:22 AM
Chris Eubank Jr. 

A lot of talent.

Based on what?  One fight against a journeyman that didn't throw one punch in the handful of rounds it lasted?  He could be a very good fighter but he is going to need a lot more testing opponents than tonights to prove he has talent nevermind a lot of talent.


Not seen many pro debutants look as good as he did. It looked like he was fighting his tenth pro fight, not his first. Of course his opponent was cherry-picked, that's how it works, but you could still see that the potential's there, no?

He's obviously got plenty of talent, and it'll be interesting to see how far he can go. I remember seeing Ricky Hatton's second ever pro fight (undercard to Naz b Kelley) and thinking the same about him.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 13, 2011, 09:19:50 AM
Anyone seen a breakdown of the scoring from the judges round by round?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 13, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
Chris Eubank Jr. 
A lot of talent.
Based on what?  One fight against a journeyman that didn't throw one punch in the handful of rounds it lasted?  He could be a very good fighter but he is going to need a lot more testing opponents than tonights to prove he has talent nevermind a lot of talent.

Not seen many pro debutants look as good as he did. It looked like he was fighting his tenth pro fight, not his first. Of course his opponent was cherry-picked, that's how it works, but you could still see that the potential's there, no?
He's obviously got plenty of talent, and it'll be interesting to see how far he can go. I remember seeing Ricky Hatton's second ever pro fight (undercard to Naz b Kelley) and thinking the same about him.

No doubt he looked stylish but a lot of what the game is about is the ability to take a punch and we probably won't even see him tested on that front until his tenth fight or so.  he is probably too young to ever face Froch but he has Groves and DeGale in the same division as him and at this stage I would happily lay evens he ever wins a British title.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: 77dave on November 13, 2011, 01:23:18 PM
Anyone seen a breakdown of the scoring from the judges round by round?

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7228745/manny-pacquiao-escapes-decision-juan-manuel-marquez

2nd video clip shows scorecard


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 13, 2011, 01:46:45 PM
Chris Eubank Jr. 
A lot of talent.
Based on what?  One fight against a journeyman that didn't throw one punch in the handful of rounds it lasted?  He could be a very good fighter but he is going to need a lot more testing opponents than tonights to prove he has talent nevermind a lot of talent.

Not seen many pro debutants look as good as he did. It looked like he was fighting his tenth pro fight, not his first. Of course his opponent was cherry-picked, that's how it works, but you could still see that the potential's there, no?
He's obviously got plenty of talent, and it'll be interesting to see how far he can go. I remember seeing Ricky Hatton's second ever pro fight (undercard to Naz b Kelley) and thinking the same about him.

No doubt he looked stylish but a lot of what the game is about is the ability to take a punch and we probably won't even see him tested on that front until his tenth fight or so.  he is probably too young to ever face Froch but he has Groves and DeGale in the same division as him and at this stage I would happily lay evens he ever wins a British title.

I'll take a bet on him winning a British (or bigger title).  What timescale?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 13, 2011, 01:55:28 PM
Anyone seen a breakdown of the scoring from the judges round by round?

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7228745/manny-pacquiao-escapes-decision-juan-manuel-marquez

2nd video clip shows scorecard

That's their scorecard, but couldn't see the official scorecards from the three judges?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 13, 2011, 03:42:02 PM
Like I said, pointless fight  ;whistle;

Manny v Pbf next May, one time.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 13, 2011, 03:45:38 PM
Like I said, pointless fight  ;whistle;

:D

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Manny v Pbf next May, one time.

Would be good.  After last night would many fancy Mayweather who previously thought it would be Manny's fight?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 13, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
Like I said, pointless fight  ;whistle;

:D

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Manny v Pbf next May, one time.

Would be good.  After last night would many fancy Mayweather who previously thought it would be Manny's fight?

I still think Manny would win, he was poor last night, not sure why that was but he was much more defensive than he usually is, I thought Manny had done enough to win but a lot of the rounds where close.

Imo Manny deliberatly fought poorly so Floyd will get in the ring with him  ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 13, 2011, 04:39:20 PM
Chris Eubank Jr. 
A lot of talent.
Based on what?  One fight against a journeyman that didn't throw one punch in the handful of rounds it lasted?  He could be a very good fighter but he is going to need a lot more testing opponents than tonights to prove he has talent nevermind a lot of talent.

Not seen many pro debutants look as good as he did. It looked like he was fighting his tenth pro fight, not his first. Of course his opponent was cherry-picked, that's how it works, but you could still see that the potential's there, no?
He's obviously got plenty of talent, and it'll be interesting to see how far he can go. I remember seeing Ricky Hatton's second ever pro fight (undercard to Naz b Kelley) and thinking the same about him.

No doubt he looked stylish but a lot of what the game is about is the ability to take a punch and we probably won't even see him tested on that front until his tenth fight or so.  he is probably too young to ever face Froch but he has Groves and DeGale in the same division as him and at this stage I would happily lay evens he ever wins a British title.

I'll take a bet on him winning a British (or bigger title).  What timescale?

Shall we say before the end of 2014.  In terms of bigger title I would say a European title counts as bigger but a Commonwealth doesn't.  What do you think?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 13, 2011, 09:15:10 PM
Chris Eubank Jr. 
A lot of talent.
Based on what?  One fight against a journeyman that didn't throw one punch in the handful of rounds it lasted?  He could be a very good fighter but he is going to need a lot more testing opponents than tonights to prove he has talent nevermind a lot of talent.

Not seen many pro debutants look as good as he did. It looked like he was fighting his tenth pro fight, not his first. Of course his opponent was cherry-picked, that's how it works, but you could still see that the potential's there, no?
He's obviously got plenty of talent, and it'll be interesting to see how far he can go. I remember seeing Ricky Hatton's second ever pro fight (undercard to Naz b Kelley) and thinking the same about him.

No doubt he looked stylish but a lot of what the game is about is the ability to take a punch and we probably won't even see him tested on that front until his tenth fight or so.  he is probably too young to ever face Froch but he has Groves and DeGale in the same division as him and at this stage I would happily lay evens he ever wins a British title.

I'll take a bet on him winning a British (or bigger title).  What timescale?

Shall we say before the end of 2014.  In terms of bigger title I would say a European title counts as bigger but a Commonwealth doesn't.  What do you think?

I'd say the Commonwealth is bigger than the British title, but happy to leave that one out.

So, we're saying before the end of 2014 he will/won't have won at least one (in any flavour) of British, European or World title (at any weight)?  Sounds like a bet, you offering any odds and how much is the bet for?  Do we need Cos and Rob to hold the money in escrow?



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 13, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
I did say Evens in my original post.  Lets keep it friendly to overcome the need for escrow and long threads if it all goes wrong ;-)  Say £100?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 14, 2011, 05:01:16 AM
I did say Evens in my original post.  Lets keep it friendly to overcome the need for escrow and long threads if it all goes wrong ;-)  Say £100?


OK, £100 it is. If you want to change the bet at any time you have to go via James Keys.

Watch Eubank Jr get injured now and only have half a dozen fights over the next few years.

Anyway [ ] good luck.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: GreekStein on November 14, 2011, 05:24:24 AM
Wankers! lol


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 14, 2011, 04:19:48 PM
Booked - what happens if at any stage Eubank Jr is knocked out of the ring and needs to re-enter?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 14, 2011, 04:22:41 PM
Booked - what happens if at any stage Eubank Jr is knocked out of the ring and needs to re-enter?


LOL.

You get banned from blonde.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 24, 2011, 10:08:23 AM
David Haye vs Vitali klitschko... Any chance of this really happening?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2011, 10:12:57 AM
David Haye vs Vitali klitschko... Any chance of this really happening?

No.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 24, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
David Haye vs Vitali klitschko... Any chance of this really happening?

No.

But its in The Dailystar...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2011, 02:07:34 PM
David Haye vs Vitali klitschko... Any chance of this really happening?

No.

But its in The Dailystar...

Oh, OK.

Yes.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 28, 2011, 10:51:32 PM
David Haye on SSN saying he wants to come out of retirement already. If only public sector workers regarded retirement with such contempt.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: vegaslover on November 29, 2011, 04:31:55 PM
David Haye on SSN saying he wants to come out of retirement already. If only public sector workers regarded retirement with such contempt.
Yeah right, 'cos public sector workers get millions like Haye.
Hope he does fight, will get beat again and can go back to becoming an actor!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on November 30, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2011/11/manny-pacquiao-deal-with-floyd-mayweather-is-almost-done/

“We are ready,” Pacquiao told abs-cbnnews.com. “If it pushes through, once he signs the contract then I’ll sign the contract. Only the little things are being worked out and negotiations are almost done.”

PBF on Twitter: MAY 5TH...I'M HERE. I'M WAITING! LETS MAKE THIS FIGHT HAPPEN.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on December 01, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
Looking forward to Rios - Murray this weekend. Murray was like a machine walking through punches against Mitchell so it could be a bit of a war for as long as it lasts.

Anyone watched boxing over there? I've only been to a couple of fights over here and can't say I'm a big fan of the type of people that went to them so usually prefer to watch at home. (brag) I'm off to NY tomorrow. Not much chance of convincing my old man to go but I could try.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 01, 2011, 11:58:14 AM
Murray is a warrior but the way Mitchell picked him off would make me worry here.  i really hope he can win it though because he really is a credit to the game.  One of my favourite fighters without a doubt.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on December 01, 2011, 01:44:51 PM
I'm also a big fanboy of Murray and have watched his fights for the last few years, i'm suprised that he's got this fight after his  defeat against Mitchell.. Brandon Rios looks top class and a couple of levels above Mitchell imo..

 Go Johnny Go Go!!!   


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 10, 2011, 09:43:04 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/16120821.stm


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Graham C on December 10, 2011, 03:41:28 PM
Know roughly what time Amir will be on tonight ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on December 10, 2011, 05:48:46 PM
Know roughly what time Amir will be on tonight ?

Looking at 3/4am i think.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Graham C on December 10, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
Doh, i think my boozer will be closed by then.  Maybe my eyes too.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Raman on December 10, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
Whats the full card for this tonight?

The sky website is dire on detail considering they are showing it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 10, 2011, 10:35:37 PM
Khan tweeted earlier that he expects to be in the ring at roughly 350am British time.  Glad i am in the States


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 11, 2011, 04:06:03 AM
Very impressive display from Seth Mitchell on the undercard.  The States finally looks to have a heavyweight contender again.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Raman on December 11, 2011, 04:12:42 AM
I was impressed by that.

How good was the opponent though? I know very little about either fighter. 

I have knocked it in the night on the Boxing, which is silly because its not something I follow closely enough to even pretend I know what I am doing. 

I need Khan to win in in 3,4,5,7 or 8.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on December 11, 2011, 04:38:57 AM
Anyone got a link or is it finished?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Raman on December 11, 2011, 04:40:24 AM
Managed to squeak out a profit somehow by laying Khan pre fight even though I thought he'd win.  

I layed him at 1.13 and backed back at 1.45 when Peterson had him under pressure.  

As I said in post above, don't know a great deal about boxing but from listening to some commentators i felt that was a risk worth taking on, was squeaky bum time.

Nut result for me now is a Khan KO in next 2 rounds.  

One time Amir.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 11, 2011, 04:52:59 AM
Amazing stuff.  Worried that it may prove to be a very bad decision to fight in Washington if this is close.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on December 11, 2011, 04:58:09 AM
Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink? please?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Raman on December 11, 2011, 05:00:22 AM
Great fight.

Watching on sky, try first row mate its the last round!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Raman on December 11, 2011, 05:11:40 AM
Fair decision in the end I think. 

What a fight though, hats off to both guys.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Raman on December 11, 2011, 05:16:09 AM
Oh what a sore loser.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on December 11, 2011, 05:18:21 AM
Khan really is a whiny little bitch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 11, 2011, 05:20:31 AM
I think he was very unfortunate to get two points deducted.  I can see one but two seems excessive.  Think Khan would win a rematch but I worry that a fighter with the lack of power that Petersen undoubtedly has exposed him like that.  Think a bit like PBF now wanting to fight Manny after the Marquez fight that Bradley might fancy a crack at Khan now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tommo on December 11, 2011, 05:35:06 AM
Fair result IMO,

the 2 deductions cost Khan but to say afterwards he was fighting 2 men in the ring was pretty pathetic, showed a real lack of class.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2011, 10:46:47 AM
Ref was a joke from the start. Confusing verbal instructions when the fighters were in clinches, nothing said about the head going in low time and time again.

Never ever seen a boxer deducted a point for pushing the other guy away like that. Watch any of Lennox Lewis's fights and he did it throughout his career.

Thought it was a good fight, and Khan could have fought a lot more intelligently and made it an easier fight. When he listened to Roach and came out for the 9th I thought the fight was going Khan's way. Maybe his conditioning or stamina needs addressing as he seemed to struggle with that and not just in this fight.

With the point deductions Khan lost a fight he would have won. I'm sure if there's a rematch, it'll be in Vegas, and I would like to think Khan will fight more to his strengths and win relatively comfortably.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 11, 2011, 01:07:27 PM
Fair enough result imo. If your gonna risk taking a fight in the guy's backyard with USA judges and ref you better be able to bops your man out before it gets to the scorecards. Peterson was coming forward throughout which judges in USA like. Thought Khan's hand speed was blistering but never really shook his man after the first round so questions now about chin and power moving up the weights. Think Khan has been over hyped really and he's dreaming if he thinks he can step up and take on Mayweather. Think back exactly 10 years when equally hyped but much better Naz rolled over Kelley in the garden facing all the same disadvantages. Agree that John Coffey taking two points for pushing is quite astonishing but prob unsurprising.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 11, 2011, 03:48:58 PM
Khan has the best coach in the business, but the advisors and management team that he's got are pretty terrible.

Fighting in the challenger's back yard, who thought that'd be a good idea? Having hus previous fights on an obscure PPV channel with single digit viewing figures, talking about moving up weights and fighting x, y and z just before a fight against a tough opponent, having the loser David Haye in the ring with you before the fight, etc.

Problem is Khan is cocooned by people advising him badly, and he's believing their hype. Sort that out, focus on the boxing and the other stuff will take care of itself.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 11, 2011, 04:09:56 PM

having the loser David Haye in the ring with you before the fight, etc.

To be fair this hasn't done George Groves much harm.

I do agree with your points about his advisors.  Whenever I see the guy that is purported to be his "business manager" he looks like he used to have a corner shop in Bolton and was Khans Dad's mate.  I still think he has the potential to be a very good (top ten p4p) fighter but he has to fight to Roachs orders and just lose this ridiculous arrogance he has.  His hand speed is immense but he hasn't got the power he thinks he has and his chin is still a worry given he was rocked by a powder puff like Petersen.  I think PBF would knock him out at the moment which is saying something.

Anyway now we move onto the most underrated British fighter for years and he is the real deal irrespective of whether he wins this week.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on December 12, 2011, 11:46:06 AM

having the loser David Haye in the ring with you before the fight, etc.

To be fair this hasn't done George Groves much harm.

I do agree with your points about his advisors.  Whenever I see the guy that is purported to be his "business manager" he looks like he used to have a corner shop in Bolton and was Khans Dad's mate.  I still think he has the potential to be a very good (top ten p4p) fighter but he has to fight to Roachs orders and just lose this ridiculous arrogance he has.  His hand speed is immense but he hasn't got the power he thinks he has and his chin is still a worry given he was rocked by a powder puff like Petersen.  I think PBF would knock him out at the moment which is saying something.

Anyway now we move onto the most underrated British fighter for years and he is the real deal irrespective of whether he wins this week.

Guessing we are talking about Froch here? Massively agree. Really excited about this wknd as I think Ward is a very good fighter as well. On another note it has been announced Chisora will fight Vitali in Feb. Not a fan of Chisora and i hope this fight shuts all his followers up.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on December 12, 2011, 12:10:19 PM
Chisora lol vs Vitali.. OMG [ ] will be watching that..
Guess that means Haye fight is off.. gtfodailystar
As for Froch yep agree never ducked anybody got to give him credit for that, i guess we'll see just how good his chin is.. This Ward is too cool for school.. Clip on Youtube (Ward vs Froch Stare Down) is worth a watch.. Don't know how to put up on here, sure somebody will..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on December 12, 2011, 12:16:31 PM
Chisora lol vs Vitali.. OMG [ ] will be watching that..
Guess that means Haye fight is off.. gtfodailystar
As for Froch yep agree never ducked anybody got to give him credit for that, i guess we'll see just how good his chin is.. This Ward is too cool for school.. Clip on Youtube (Ward vs Froch Stare Down) is worth a watch.. Don't know how to put up on here, sure somebody will..

At first i thought Ward was being a fanny when they called it off, but after seeing footage of his cut it was pretty bad imo. Froch has mega balls not just about fighting anyone, he will go anywhere. Atlanta will be a tough crowd.

 YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpZVFAVs1nM


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on December 12, 2011, 10:09:51 PM

Guessing we are talking about Froch here? Massively agree. Really excited about this wknd as I think Ward is a very good fighter as well. On another note it has been announced Chisora will fight Vitali in Feb. Not a fan of Chisora and i hope this fight shuts all his followers up.

Yeah talking about Froch.  Still considering getting a flight up there to watch the fight and there are still tickets available but the missus is moaning it will be cold!!!  As for Chisora, anyone that gets beat by Fury doesn't deserve a crack at a world title imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 13, 2011, 05:33:59 AM
I'd criticise Frotch's management team as well.

Here we have a world-class fighter, with charisma, who could have mass appeal - but outside those who watch boxing regularly most people in the country have never heard of him and even fewer have seen him fight.

Seems a shame.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on December 13, 2011, 12:08:06 PM
But he's got a stupid accent :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 13, 2011, 01:59:12 PM
I'd criticise Frotch's management team as well.

Here we have a world-class fighter, with charisma, who could have mass appeal - but outside those who watch boxing regularly most people in the country have never heard of him and even fewer have seen him fight.

Seems a shame.



I would blame Khan and Froch themselves. Ultimately they are the employers and they don't need to fight anywhere they don't want to. In the last 3 years Froch has had one home town fight and same with Khan. If these guys chase the $$'s in USA they wont get the acclaim at home they may well warrant. They also wont get the home town decisions both have complained their oppos enjoy. Froch chooses to defend his title vs Kessler in Denmark and Khan his titles vs Peterson in DC.

By comparison how many times have the ultra shrewd Klitschkos fought outside Germany in the last 3 years? They defend their titles in their own backyard. They are both very popular and haven't been shafted on the scorecards. Up to you what trade off you want to make in the sport imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on December 13, 2011, 03:20:55 PM
Doesn't this whole home advantage make boxing a farce? Surely it shouldn't matter where u fight? If it does it brings the whole integrity of the sport into question.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on December 13, 2011, 03:59:10 PM
Doesn't this whole home advantage make boxing a farce? Surely it shouldn't matter where u fight? If it does it brings the whole integrity of the sport into question.
my mate used to box as an amatuer and reckons if you travel to liverpool you have to knock your opponent out just to get a draw on most judges score cards.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 13, 2011, 04:50:42 PM
Doesn't this whole home advantage make boxing a farce? Surely it shouldn't matter where u fight? If it does it brings the whole integrity of the sport into question.

Home advantage in any sport is a big and often unfair advantage isn't it? Watching the football last night, two pretty clear cut penalties, only the one for the home side was awarded. If Luis Suarez dives theatrically in front of the kop that's a nailed on pen.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on December 13, 2011, 06:28:52 PM
.
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEpQpOU5i8w


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on December 13, 2011, 09:02:13 PM
But he's got a stupid accent :)

Obv you aren't from Notts then?

I briefly went to school with Carl when he had a spell living in the Newark area.  He's come a long way way from the quiet lad I remember.

GL Carl


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on December 13, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
Doesn't this whole home advantage make boxing a farce? Surely it shouldn't matter where u fight? If it does it brings the whole integrity of the sport into question.

Home advantage in any sport is a big and often unfair advantage isn't it? Watching the football last night, two pretty clear cut penalties, only the one for the home side was awarded. If Luis Suarez dives theatrically in front of the kop that's a nailed on pen.

U play home and away though. And it's obv not as blatant as in boxing by the sounds of it


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on December 13, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
But he's got a stupid accent :)

Obv you aren't from Notts then?

I briefly went to school with Carl when he had a spell living in the Newark area.  He's come a long way way from the quiet lad I remember.

GL Carl
Does he have a brother who is quite handy too? Was chatting with Sinclair at Dtd and him and his mate rated him


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on December 21, 2011, 09:26:39 PM
Mayweather to jail. Looks like the super fight is in question again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-sentenced-to-90-days-in-jail.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on December 21, 2011, 09:30:53 PM
Mayweather to jail. Looks like the super fight is in question again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-sentenced-to-90-days-in-jail.html

Not the best place for someone whose nickname is Pretty Boy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 21, 2011, 09:35:03 PM
Looks like a result really as it's June they're looking at now and I should be out there then :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on December 21, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Mayweather to jail. Looks like the super fight is in question again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-sentenced-to-90-days-in-jail.html

Not the best place for someone whose nickname is Pretty Boy.
For some reason I reckon he'll not get much trouble


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 21, 2011, 09:37:48 PM
Mayweather to jail. Looks like the super fight is in question again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-sentenced-to-90-days-in-jail.html

Not the best place for someone whose nickname is Pretty Boy.
For some reason I reckon he'll not get much trouble


His money?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on December 21, 2011, 09:38:17 PM
Mayweather to jail. Looks like the super fight is in question again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-sentenced-to-90-days-in-jail.html

Not the best place for someone whose nickname is Pretty Boy.
For some reason I reckon he'll not get much trouble

Surely his boxing won't compare to some of the people you can get in some jails?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 21, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Mayweather to jail. Looks like the super fight is in question again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-sentenced-to-90-days-in-jail.html

Not the best place for someone whose nickname is Pretty Boy.
For some reason I reckon he'll not get much trouble

Surely his boxing won't compare to some of the people you can get in some jails?


He'll just avoid fighting anyone who he thinks can beat him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on December 21, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Mayweather to jail. Looks like the super fight is in question again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/12/floyd-mayweather-jr-sentenced-to-90-days-in-jail.html

Not the best place for someone whose nickname is Pretty Boy.
For some reason I reckon he'll not get much trouble

Surely his boxing won't compare to some of the people you can get in some jails?
I imagine his speed would make him hard to hit. 90 day sentence prison isn't likely to be the roughest is it?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on December 21, 2011, 09:43:36 PM
No idea tbh. Just know brawling is different to boxing


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on January 10, 2012, 09:40:22 PM
People saying May 5th for Pacman v Mayweather. Dunno where they got that from but would be epic.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 10, 2012, 09:53:42 PM
Fingers crossed

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/mma/boxing/11/03/mayweather.targeting.pacquiao/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/mma/boxing/11/03/mayweather.targeting.pacquiao/index.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on January 10, 2012, 09:55:49 PM
Fingers crossed

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/mma/boxing/11/03/mayweather.targeting.pacquiao/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/mma/boxing/11/03/mayweather.targeting.pacquiao/index.html)

That's from early Nov, Claypole linked me up to this...

http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=boxing/12/01/10/manual_195226.html&BID=543


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on January 10, 2012, 09:59:53 PM

MGM is def booked for it:

http://www.boxinginlasvegas.com/upcomingevents.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on January 13, 2012, 12:56:07 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/16515328.stm


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on January 19, 2012, 02:26:27 AM
It's just not going to happen is it!

http://sportige.com/bob-arum-manny-pacquiao-and-floyd-mayweather-fight-not-happening-may-5/


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on January 21, 2012, 05:39:01 PM
Really looking forward to tonight! Really like both guys but have high hopes for Price so want to see him do it. Big John has been robbed so many times by the judges, if it goes to points hope they don't try and right their wrongs. If Price doesn't finish him in the first 3 I think it will shape up to be a massive brawl.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on January 21, 2012, 05:40:12 PM
Really looking forward to tonight! Really like both guys but have high hopes for Price so want to see him do it. Big John has been robbed so many times by the judges, if it goes to points hope they don't try and right their wrongs. If Price doesn't finish him in the first 3 I think it will shape up to be a massive brawl.

Really think price will finish him early.  I have bet each of first three rounds at 12/1+


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Dubai on January 21, 2012, 07:56:22 PM
What times the fight?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
What times the fight?
About 9pm looking at BF


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on January 21, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
Round 1 KO can't do any more


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 08:57:18 PM
Really looking forward to tonight! Really like both guys but have high hopes for Price so want to see him do it. Big John has been robbed so many times by the judges, if it goes to points hope they don't try and right their wrongs. If Price doesn't finish him in the first 3 I think it will shape up to be a massive brawl.

Really think price will finish him early.  I have bet each of first three rounds at 12/1+
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   cheers Stu   had a tickle on bf on seeing this!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on January 21, 2012, 08:57:58 PM
Wow. Bring on Klitschko!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on January 21, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
Wow. Bring on Klitschko!

Would like to see him given a proper good test.  He should be too good for Fury but Fury will scrap with him or Chisora wouldn't go over so easily.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Dubai on January 21, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
Good call- had a few quid


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: ACE2M on January 21, 2012, 09:37:34 PM
good shout, was going to have a go but had to sort some shit out for work. grrr.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on January 21, 2012, 10:15:07 PM
Wow. Bring on Klitschko!

Would like to see him given a proper good test.  He should be too good for Fury but Fury will scrap with him or Chisora wouldn't go over so easily.

Agree. Genuinely don't think anyone in Britain would touch him. Fury has no chance!  Expect Chisora to get completely shown up next month. No way does he deserve to get in the ring with Vitali. Once Price dispatches Fury and unless a miracle happens for Chisora I don't see why Price shouldn't be next in the queue. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tommo on January 24, 2012, 12:17:50 AM
Wow. Bring on Klitschko!

Would like to see him given a proper good test.  He should be too good for Fury but Fury will scrap with him or Chisora wouldn't go over so easily.

Agree. Genuinely don't think anyone in Britain would touch him. Fury has no chance!  Expect Chisora to get completely shown up next month. No way does he deserve to get in the ring with Vitali. Once Price dispatches Fury and unless a miracle happens for Chisora I don't see why Price shouldn't be next in the queue. 
Agree with the above if Chisora can get a shot (such a joke) then winner of Price/Fury should get a go.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 17, 2012, 05:15:43 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17073085



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 17, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59A5PQjQGLE

;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on February 17, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63SDXMfPAzI

What a fucking disgrace, i don't need to hope as i know he will get battered. Hate Chisora so much. Does not deserve to step in a ring with Vitali. Roll on the reign of David Price.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on February 17, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
lmao.. wasn't going to watch the fight but i might now.. Is it on sky sports?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on February 17, 2012, 07:58:51 PM
lmao.. wasn't going to watch the fight but i might now.. Is it on sky sports?

It's a pay job, hence this slap! Just the sell this non fight is after.

Not for me!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 18, 2012, 12:26:20 AM
Eubank Jr fighting tomorrow on Channel 5 - should be worth watching.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MPOWER on February 18, 2012, 10:30:25 PM
Any links for this?

Regards

M


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on February 18, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
Free on sky due to problems taking payments 456


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on February 18, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
Say what you like about him as a person, but he's thrown more punches and shown more intent in two rounds than Haye in 12.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MPOWER on February 18, 2012, 10:43:02 PM
http://www.stream2watch.me/boxing/vitali-klitschko-vs-derek-chisora-live-stream

Regards

M


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 18, 2012, 10:50:56 PM
heavy weight boxing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on February 18, 2012, 10:53:39 PM
Say what you like about him as a person, but he's thrown more punches and shown more intent in two rounds than Haye in 12.
Vitali has the better record but Wlad is younger, looks in better shape and is quicker. I'd fancy Haye against Vitali.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 18, 2012, 10:58:13 PM
vitali slowing down alot


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on February 18, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
Chisora reminds me of Frazier - hit me again, I don't care, I'm coming forward anyway, hit me again.

Move like him too, with the same little trot forward and moving from side to side. Nowhere near as good, though, obv. Doesn't have Frazier's punch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on February 18, 2012, 11:02:05 PM
Say what you like about him as a person, but he's thrown more punches and shown more intent in two rounds than Haye in 12.
Vitali has the better record but Wlad is younger, looks in better shape and is quicker. I'd fancy Haye against Vitali.

No way imo. Haye's effort was amongst the most cowardly I've ever witnessed.

Chisora willing to walk through shots to land his and that's still proving to be hard to do. Haye was running for 12 rounds, avoiding contact and only throwing the occasional shot.

Think on the balance of it, Wlad does look the better, but I don't fancy Haye to beat Vitali.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on February 18, 2012, 11:05:32 PM
Yeh don't think it's clear Haye would beat him but fancy he could certainly get close to him to unload some shots but could get nowhere near Wlad.
But defo Wlad over Vitali now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on February 18, 2012, 11:21:34 PM
Imagine it could get out of hand quickly, somebody raises their hands and there are 3 heavyweight boxers in the ring, not sure there was anyone in the ring that could have got control back had something happened.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: gatso on February 18, 2012, 11:22:51 PM
interesting just before the fight to see the slap incident from a new angle. looks like chisora reacted to a bit of a butt from vitali


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on February 18, 2012, 11:27:20 PM
Shame Chisora has to act so classless both before and after the fight as he actually performed with a bit of credit in the ring.  Would like to see him and Price fight as it is obvious Fury won't take a fight with Price.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on February 19, 2012, 01:09:11 AM
David Haye and Chisora been scrapping?

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/02/haye-and-chisora-in-post-fight-brawl.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on February 19, 2012, 01:42:37 AM
Eubank Jr fighting tomorrow on Channel 5 - should be worth watching.

Sky Sports described his win as laboured, I didn't see it. Noticed he was fighting Jason "Daddy Cool" Ball who is actually a MMA fighter who was predominantly a grappler.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Snowball on February 19, 2012, 09:03:00 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWrNGUeW2i8

Both of them swinging Bottles, very classy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on February 19, 2012, 09:19:02 AM
Embarrassing, charges should be pressed and the relevant boxing boards should take serious action.

Professional athletes, I think not!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: JK on February 19, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
Any of us mere mortals do that, we face police action. Shouldnt be any different for those joke of athletes


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on February 19, 2012, 10:03:32 AM
Disgrace.. Really hate Chisora

Has anybody phoned the police..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Pelham Boy on February 19, 2012, 10:07:40 AM
Chisora detained by police at Munich airport according to twitter.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on February 19, 2012, 10:15:16 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17088322

^^^ transcript of everything that was said.

It is such a shame this happened, because I think it might set up a fight between the two most classless fighters in British boxing. Both are coming off the back of big losses, and it was probably the only way either of them gets a reasonable pay day again.

Winner to fight Audley imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Micko on February 19, 2012, 10:45:52 AM
If Chisora was't a pro boxer i'd say he would be in Prison serving life for a murder. Total animal.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Snowball on February 19, 2012, 11:13:09 AM
Haye bottled Chisora???or did I miss something?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2012, 11:20:04 AM
Classy. Both are a complete disgrace.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on February 19, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Chisora talking about shooting people gotta bring back memories for Warren.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on February 19, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
Haye bottled Chisora???or did I miss something?
Think he punched him with a bottle in his hand and that smashed rather than hitting him with a bottle.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on February 19, 2012, 01:21:44 PM
Just a lol boxing panto imo. Why is Haye spending his retirement dishing out rubs in the Chisora press conference anyway? Wait, is it because some kinda hatred/vendetta between these two mugs will drum up ppv interest in some kinda shit I hate Chisora so much I'm coming outta retirement best of British clash?? Fck off box nation nobody would pay to watch that baloney. If Chisora had bowled straight over and caught Haye flush with a hook I'd prob watch, but all this rolling on the floor, slapping faces and crying about toes, meh no.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on February 19, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/Andr4w/haye.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Dubai on February 19, 2012, 03:14:51 PM
Even when he has a clear shot Haye still missed his chin. Mantis bang on the money

Nonsense pantomime stuff to try and revive 2 dead careers.

Fight will be arranged, both will declare hatred and say its gonna be a war. 12 boring rounds later Haye wins on points after less than 20 clean punches landed and they admit "mutual respect" for each other

Unfortunately the British public are so stupid it will work


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 19, 2012, 06:16:48 PM
booth got hit by a tripod by a haye right


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on February 19, 2012, 06:33:24 PM
Second fight was more entertaining than the first one.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2012, 08:05:58 PM
Adam Booth asking Chisora who bottled him.  Erm Adam, it was your own fighter and it was a tripod.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on February 19, 2012, 08:13:06 PM
Wtf was haye doing there in the first place?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on February 19, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
Wtf was haye doing there in the first place?

He was working.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on February 19, 2012, 08:17:44 PM
Wtf was haye doing there in the first place?

Probably watching the fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on February 19, 2012, 08:22:45 PM
Wtf was haye doing there in the first place?

Probably watching the fight
But then turn upto the post fight press conference and makes himself a bigger tosser in the publics eye than he was before. I just can't help but think he is off his head. Chisora ain't any better either tho.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Micko on February 19, 2012, 08:29:48 PM
Wtf was haye doing there in the first place?

He was calling Vitalli out to fight him as he claims he has agreed to all terms but Vitalli's manager won't let the fight happen. He then called Chisora a coward and that's when he got off the stage and went at Haye.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2012, 08:52:34 PM
Haye was covering the fight for someone, and decided to enforce his own agenda.

Earlier last night there was some boxing on Channel 5.  In complete contrast to Chisora and Haye, Kid Galahad and Jason Booth summed up what boxing is meant to be about.  Galahad won by a huge margin (after being hit by a wild overhand from Booth and suffering from a flash knockdown in the first), but the two showed each other respect at the end, as did both corners.  It was a cracking fight and the two fighters conducted themselves admirably. 

They should be the ones commanding the ridiculous purses the heavyweights manage to command.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on February 19, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
Yeah what Boshi said.  Every week in this country there are great British title fights like when Colin Lynes rolled back the years to beat Lee Purdy or Stuart Hall and Jamie McDonnell went toe to toe for 12 excellent rounds but they don't even get reported in most papers yet this circus hits the front pages.  Haye was a very good Cruiserweight and a fairly poor heavyweight champion that was realistically only ever 4th or 5th in the world and Chisora wasnt even a decent British Champ.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on February 20, 2012, 12:08:29 AM
Haye was covering the fight for someone, and decided to enforce his own agenda.

Earlier last night there was some boxing on Channel 5.  In complete contrast to Chisora and Haye, Kid Galahad and Jason Booth summed up what boxing is meant to be about.  Galahad won by a huge margin (after being hit by a wild overhand from Booth and suffering from a flash knockdown in the first), but the two showed each other respect at the end, as did both corners.  It was a cracking fight and the two fighters conducted themselves admirably. 

They should be the ones commanding the ridiculous purses the heavyweights manage to command.

Your probably right, but me and the rest of the uneducated boxing fans would rather watch a couple of massive biffers at least pretend they are gonna knock each other out, they might not but we the hope they will. Far better than watching a couple of skinny arsed featherweights dicking about even if its technically a great fight.

Its the truth mate and you know it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Camel on February 20, 2012, 12:10:25 AM
I hate boxing.

What has happened over the last couple of days was inevitable eventually.

It's the fault of the scumbag promoters, Warren, Hearn, King etc.

Chisora is clearly a nutter and went too far, but the boundaries have been stretched to the limits by the money men desperate to hype up non event fights to try and make as much money as possible.

Boxing exploits young men trying to get out of poverty.

The whole game is a sickening pantomime.

I hate boxing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ironside on February 20, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
I hate boxing.

What has happened over the last couple of days was inevitable eventually.

It's the fault of the scumbag promoters, Warren, Hearn, King etc.

Chisora is clearly a nutter and went too far, but the boundaries have been stretched to the limits by the money men desperate to hype up non event fights to try and make as much money as possible.

Boxing exploits young men trying to get out of poverty.

The whole game is a sickening pantomime.

I hate boxing.

get off the fence tell us what you really think


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Camel on February 20, 2012, 12:19:42 AM
I hate boxing.

What has happened over the last couple of days was inevitable eventually.

It's the fault of the scumbag promoters, Warren, Hearn, King etc.

Chisora is clearly a nutter and went too far, but the boundaries have been stretched to the limits by the money men desperate to hype up non event fights to try and make as much money as possible.

Boxing exploits young men trying to get out of poverty.

The whole game is a sickening pantomime.

I hate boxing.

get off the fence tell us what you really think

What I really think is boxing should be banned.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Solaris on February 20, 2012, 12:23:31 AM
I hate boxing.

What has happened over the last couple of days was inevitable eventually.

It's the fault of the scumbag promoters, Warren, Hearn, King etc.

Chisora is clearly a nutter and went too far, but the boundaries have been stretched to the limits by the money men desperate to hype up non event fights to try and make as much money as possible.

Boxing exploits young men trying to get out of poverty.

The whole game is a sickening pantomime.

I hate boxing.

get off the fence tell us what you really think

What I really think is boxing should be banned.


MMA fan?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on February 20, 2012, 12:35:01 AM
When Mayweather v Pacquiou doesn't happen I agree with banning it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Camel on February 20, 2012, 09:30:20 AM
I hate boxing.

What has happened over the last couple of days was inevitable eventually.

It's the fault of the scumbag promoters, Warren, Hearn, King etc.

Chisora is clearly a nutter and went too far, but the boundaries have been stretched to the limits by the money men desperate to hype up non event fights to try and make as much money as possible.

Boxing exploits young men trying to get out of poverty.

The whole game is a sickening pantomime.

I hate boxing.

get off the fence tell us what you really think

What I really think is boxing should be banned.


MMA fan?

Even worse than boxing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on February 20, 2012, 10:35:31 AM
Heavyweight boxing is now basically WWE - I was half expecting Frank Warren to distract the referee whilst Chisora hit Klitchko with a chair.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ironside on February 20, 2012, 10:37:51 AM
Heavyweight boxing is now basically WWE - I was half expecting Frank Warren to distract the referee whilst Chisora hit Klitchko with a chair.
dont talk rubbish wwe is much more realistic


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 20, 2012, 11:23:58 AM
Haye was covering the fight for someone, and decided to enforce his own agenda.

Earlier last night there was some boxing on Channel 5.  In complete contrast to Chisora and Haye, Kid Galahad and Jason Booth summed up what boxing is meant to be about.  Galahad won by a huge margin (after being hit by a wild overhand from Booth and suffering from a flash knockdown in the first), but the two showed each other respect at the end, as did both corners.  It was a cracking fight and the two fighters conducted themselves admirably. 

They should be the ones commanding the ridiculous purses the heavyweights manage to command.

Your probably right, but me and the rest of the uneducated boxing fans would rather watch a couple of massive biffers at least pretend they are gonna knock each other out, they might not but we the hope they will. Far better than watching a couple of skinny arsed featherweights dicking about even if its technically a great fight.

Its the truth mate and you know it.

Don't really care what uneducated fans want to watch.  Wrestling gets massive numbers watching it, and if non-fight fans who tune in to watch pantomime they should stick with wrestling.

It's sad that it's always been the case the heavyweights are the marquee bouts, when technically the standard has always been below fighters of the lower divisions.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AdamM on February 20, 2012, 08:36:26 PM
MMA FTW


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on February 20, 2012, 10:20:49 PM
I hate boxing.

What has happened over the last couple of days was inevitable eventually.

It's the fault of the scumbag promoters, Warren, Hearn, King etc.

Chisora is clearly a nutter and went too far, but the boundaries have been stretched to the limits by the money men desperate to hype up non event fights to try and make as much money as possible.

Boxing exploits young men trying to get out of poverty.

The whole game is a sickening pantomime.

I hate boxing.

get off the fence tell us what you really think

What I really think is boxing should be banned.


MMA fan?

Even worse than boxing.

Nonsense


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on February 20, 2012, 11:11:28 PM
Haye was covering the fight for someone, and decided to enforce his own agenda.

Earlier last night there was some boxing on Channel 5.  In complete contrast to Chisora and Haye, Kid Galahad and Jason Booth summed up what boxing is meant to be about.  Galahad won by a huge margin (after being hit by a wild overhand from Booth and suffering from a flash knockdown in the first), but the two showed each other respect at the end, as did both corners.  It was a cracking fight and the two fighters conducted themselves admirably. 

They should be the ones commanding the ridiculous purses the heavyweights manage to command.

Your probably right, but me and the rest of the uneducated boxing fans would rather watch a couple of massive biffers at least pretend they are gonna knock each other out, they might not but we the hope they will. Far better than watching a couple of skinny arsed featherweights dicking about even if its technically a great fight.

Its the truth mate and you know it.

Don't really care what uneducated fans want to watch.  Wrestling gets massive numbers watching it, and if non-fight fans who tune in to watch pantomime they should stick with wrestling.

It's sad that it's always been the case the heavyweights are the marquee bouts, when technically the standard has always been below fighters of the lower divisions.

Sport is part of the entertainment industry, so it's all about what people enjoy seeing, not what is the best technically. There are plenty of entertainers who earn disproportionate amounts compared to others who are arguably better technically at what they do. People enjoy watching heavyweights more than other boxers, so they are willing to pay more and the participants earn more money. Sometimes the welterweight/middleweight level becomes very entertaining and there has been a succession of high-profile high-earning boxers at that level who were rewarded for their ability/entertainment value. Ultimately, though, virtually everyone who watches boxing wants to watch the heavyweights, even bad ones, but very few want to watch good bantamweights. So the lighter weights get paid what they are worth, which is measured by how many people want to watch them, not how technical they are.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Haye was covering the fight for someone, and decided to enforce his own agenda.

Earlier last night there was some boxing on Channel 5.  In complete contrast to Chisora and Haye, Kid Galahad and Jason Booth summed up what boxing is meant to be about.  Galahad won by a huge margin (after being hit by a wild overhand from Booth and suffering from a flash knockdown in the first), but the two showed each other respect at the end, as did both corners.  It was a cracking fight and the two fighters conducted themselves admirably. 

They should be the ones commanding the ridiculous purses the heavyweights manage to command.

Your probably right, but me and the rest of the uneducated boxing fans would rather watch a couple of massive biffers at least pretend they are gonna knock each other out, they might not but we the hope they will. Far better than watching a couple of skinny arsed featherweights dicking about even if its technically a great fight.

Its the truth mate and you know it.

Don't really care what uneducated fans want to watch.  Wrestling gets massive numbers watching it, and if non-fight fans who tune in to watch pantomime they should stick with wrestling.

It's sad that it's always been the case the heavyweights are the marquee bouts, when technically the standard has always been below fighters of the lower divisions.

Sport is part of the entertainment industry, so it's all about what people enjoy seeing, not what is the best technically. There are plenty of entertainers who earn disproportionate amounts compared to others who are arguably better technically at what they do. People enjoy watching heavyweights more than other boxers, so they are willing to pay more and the participants earn more money. Sometimes the welterweight/middleweight level becomes very entertaining and there has been a succession of high-profile high-earning boxers at that level who were rewarded for their ability/entertainment value. Ultimately, though, virtually everyone who watches boxing wants to watch the heavyweights, even bad ones, but very few want to watch good bantamweights. So the lighter weights get paid what they are worth, which is measured by how many people want to watch them, not how technical they are.

So not "boxing" fans then, just "heavyweight world title fight" fans?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on February 21, 2012, 10:53:25 PM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AdamM on February 22, 2012, 07:32:09 AM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting.

Behave.
Alistair Overeem, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velasquez, et al would murder these guys, even in a straight stand up fight, let alone allowing groundwork.

Biggest baddest boxers yes, fighters not a chance.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 22, 2012, 08:11:09 AM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.


200m runners go faster than the 100m runners, just saying.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sovietsong on February 22, 2012, 08:39:13 AM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.

 rotflmfao


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on February 22, 2012, 09:14:48 AM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.

 rotflmfao
I could watch Paula Radcliffe peeing over and over again.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on February 22, 2012, 09:08:14 PM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.


200m runners go faster than the 100m runners, just saying.

They should have a go at the 100m in that case.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 22, 2012, 09:41:22 PM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.


200m runners go faster than the 100m runners, just saying.

They should have a go at the 100m in that case.

Usain Bolt does both...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: ACE2M on February 22, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.


200m runners go faster than the 100m runners, just saying.

They should have a go at the 100m in that case.

not sure thats true


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on February 23, 2012, 12:03:23 AM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.


200m runners go faster than the 100m runners, just saying.

They should have a go at the 100m in that case.



not sure thats true

I think he's saying that due to the fact that the 200m world record (19.19 sec) is less than twice the time of the 100m record (9.58 sec). The reason for that is that a human can run full speed for up to 300m (I think?) and so during a 200m race the athlete is already at peak speed when entering the 2nd 100m of the race, hence his overall speed (metres/second or whatever) is faster. The reason the 100m racer is 'slower' is due to the fact that he has to start from a standing start.
This is why the 100m relay record is faster still at 37.04 sec.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 23, 2012, 07:53:34 AM
Yep, the top speed recorded for a human running was during the 200m, because of the reasons above.

Also, the 100m runners might be the marquee athletes for the occasional athletics fans, but the long-distance runners benefit from a longer career potentially.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: ACE2M on February 23, 2012, 10:34:01 AM
Heavyweight division will always get the glory from boxing fans because they're the biggest baddest gladiators in the sport of fighting. A small guy might be more technically gifted but ultimately he still gets knocked cold by the big guy in a fight. Just like how the 100m sprint champ has the glory of being the fastest in the world in the sport of running. Other sprinters might be technically better but the public wont be as interested in the slower guys with nice stride patterns.


200m runners go faster than the 100m runners, just saying.

They should have a go at the 100m in that case.



not sure thats true

I think he's saying that due to the fact that the 200m world record (19.19 sec) is less than twice the time of the 100m record (9.58 sec). The reason for that is that a human can run full speed for up to 300m (I think?) and so during a 200m race the athlete is already at peak speed when entering the 2nd 100m of the race, hence his overall speed (metres/second or whatever) is faster. The reason the 100m racer is 'slower' is due to the fact that he has to start from a standing start.
This is why the 100m relay record is faster still at 37.04 sec.

i know that but the physical top speed is performed by athletes running the 100m not the 200m.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on February 23, 2012, 05:57:43 PM
Yep, the top speed recorded for a human running was during the 200m, because of the reasons above.

Also, the 100m runners might be the marquee athletes for the occasional athletics fans, but the long-distance runners benefit from a longer career potentially.

A longer career isn't really a great benefit, especially when you're paid a fraction as much.

A great benefit is high-fiving friends in McDonalds and dunking chicken nuggets with gold swinging round your neck after 10 seconds work. The long-distance runner is still blowing out his arse round the city streets two hrs later grabbing at those wet sponges to try and make the pain go away.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on March 17, 2012, 01:05:36 PM
[ ] big boxing fight i know..

Anybody watching Brook vs Hatton tonight?
I like the look of Kell brook and think this is a big test for him aginst Hatton the grinder, who knows we might see Kahn vs Brook soon.. I hope so because i think kahn been avoiding him from day1..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on March 17, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
Genuinely think Brook will completely outclass Hatton and can't see it being too much of a test tbh. Brook is a very good technical fighter imo and can see him being up there in the near future.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on March 18, 2012, 04:39:22 AM
Genuinely think Brook will completely outclass Hatton and can't see it being too much of a test tbh. Brook is a very good technical fighter imo and can see him being up there in the near future.

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4570910838161787&id=68be8627a278459c5314911775602501)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on March 20, 2012, 03:32:33 AM
Interesting interview with Mayweather...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2MsxXteivM

Hard to see this as anything other than Mayweather bottling the fight against Manny. Why on earth would Manny take $40m for the fight and let Pbf have the rest, what a joke.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on March 22, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Why on earth would Manny take $40m for the fight and let Pbf have the rest

- Because $40m is a helluva lot of money

- Because, hard to believe, Pacquiao's finances are a mess and he badly needs the money. Mayweather doesn't need the money, making his bargaining position stronger.

- Because it is a lot more than he has ever earned for any fight

- Because Mayweather is the bigger draw

- Because, since Pacquiao-Marquez III, Mayweather is the clear favourite to win

- Because, as the promoter (albeit in conjunction with Golden Boy), Mayweather receives all the revenue, which is then allocated between the various interests, including the two boxers. Is Mayweather supposed to split the promotional income?

- Because he has never been paid as much as Mayweather. Since 2006, he has earned an average of $5m a fight, with a max of $7.4m, whereas Mayweather has received an average of $12.5m, only once receiving less than $8m. These are Nevada State Athletic Commission's (unbelievably scruffy) lists of both fighters' earnings. They don't include fights outside the NSAC's jurisdiction. Pacquiao is known to have received $6m for fighting Marquez in Nov 2011, and is assumed to have received somewhere between $6m - $7.4m each for his 2010 fights against Clottey and Margarito, making a total of $60m in 12 fights since 2006, during which period Mayweather received $91.5m for 7 fights:

(https://p.twimg.com/AkBsaNoCQAADnts.jpg:large)

(https://p.twimg.com/AkGtpDNCQAA0gTt.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on March 22, 2012, 12:21:09 PM
Genuinely think Brook will completely outclass Hatton and can't see it being too much of a test tbh. Brook is a very good technical fighter imo and can see him being up there in the near future.

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4570910838161787&id=68be8627a278459c5314911775602501)


Matthew Hatton is a good European standard fighter, but not in Brook's class.  Looking forward to seeing him fight at world class and seeing how effective he is there.  His defence is very sound, and he looks like an all-round fighter.  Thought he would have been able to stop Hatton, but didn't seem to go in for the kill with heavy combinations that might have closed it out earlier.  Took a good smack from Hatton late on as well, and hardly blinked - so that's a good sign too.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on March 22, 2012, 12:25:27 PM
Why on earth would Manny take $40m for the fight and let Pbf have the rest

- Because $40m is a helluva lot of money

- Because, hard to believe, Pacquiao's finances are a mess and he badly needs the money. Mayweather doesn't need the money, making his bargaining position stronger.

- Because it is a lot more than he has ever earned for any fight

- Because Mayweather is the bigger draw

- Because, since Pacquiao-Marquez III, Mayweather is the clear favourite to win

- Because, as the promoter (albeit in conjunction with Golden Boy), Mayweather receives all the revenue, which is then allocated between the various interests, including the two boxers. Is Mayweather supposed to split the promotional income?

- Because he has never been paid as much as Mayweather. Since 2006, he has earned an average of $5m a fight, with a max of $7.4m, whereas Mayweather has received an average of $12.5m, only once receiving less than $8m. These are Nevada State Athletic Commission's (unbelievably scruffy) lists of both fighters' earnings. They don't include fights outside the NSAC's jurisdiction. Pacquiao is known to have received $6m for fighting Marquez in Nov 2011, and is assumed to have received somewhere between $6m - $7.4m each for his 2010 fights against Clottey and Margarito, making a total of $60m in 12 fights since 2006, during which period Mayweather received $91.5m for 7 fights:

(https://p.twimg.com/AkBsaNoCQAADnts.jpg:large)

(https://p.twimg.com/AkGtpDNCQAA0gTt.jpg:large)

Imo

Points 1-3 are completely irrelevant. Point 3 is also true of Mayweather.

4 - I disagree, not really sure how he is apart from the fact he has an 0 to lose. Pretty sure most people have thought Manny was the better boxer to watch over the last couple of years.

5 - I agree Pacquiou wasn't great in his last fight but eveyone can have an off day, no way is Mayweather a clear fav for me.

6 - Not really sure how this works but why would Top Rank/Goldenboy not jointly promote the fight since they have the top two boxers ?

7 - I'd guess this is more down to the fact that Mayweather takes more of his opponents % than Manny, over the fact his fights make more money.

You obviously know a lot more about boxing then I do but I just think Mayweather's doing everything to dodge this fight with his constant changing of demands. Absolutely no way would it be even close to a fair deal if Manny got 40m for this fight and Pbf got 100m+.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on March 22, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
5 - I agree Pacquiou wasn't great in his last fight but eveyone can have an off day, no way is Mayweather a clear fav for me.

Current odds:
                                  Mayweather                      Pacquaio
Boylesports                         1/2                                6/4
PaddyPower                        4/7                                5/4
Ladbrokes                          8/15                               6/4
Bodog                                8/13                               5/4
Coral                                 4/9                               13/8
WilliamHill                          8/15                              6/4

http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing-mma/boxing/floyd-mayweather-jr-v-manny-pacquiao/winner


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on March 22, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
I think Manny was favourite before his last fight, if not it was pretty much 11/10 and 10/11, this is obv due to his performance vs Marquez which as I say I think was just a poor night. Sad fact is we are very unlikely to see this fight and Mayweather is too blame for that due to his greed, his unfair offer and also his desperation to keep his 0. Pacquaio isn't being greedy by not wanting to be conned, he isn't a huge underdog desperate for a payday like most of the fighters Floyd has fought.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on March 22, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Mayweather is technically the better fighter I don't think many people dispute that, sometimes he can be overly cautious and a bit negative though imo.

Pacman has tonnes of heart and tonnes of speed. Think they both have roughly the same K0 % and are probs not too far away from each other in their KO power.

Mayweather's technical ability and Pacman's last performance will obv give Floyd the edge with the bookies. But i think Pacman will want it more and hopfully he will go at him like a spider monkey.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MajorMajor on March 22, 2012, 02:57:31 PM
Pacman has stopped taking his drugs, that's why his last performance wasn't great. Pretty boy would bash him up!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on March 22, 2012, 02:57:45 PM
Pacman has stopped taking his drugs, that's why his last performance wasn't great. Pretty boy would bash him up!

LOL


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on March 22, 2012, 03:07:31 PM
Why on earth would Manny take $40m for the fight and let Pbf have the rest

- Because, hard to believe, Pacquiao's finances are a mess and he badly needs the money. Mayweather doesn't need the money, making his bargaining position stronger.


LOL - Mayweather needs the money as much if not more than Pacquaio from what I understand.

Pacman has stopped taking his drugs, that's why his last performance wasn't great. Pretty boy would bash him up!

Presumably he also stopped taking his drugs in his previous two fights against Marquez also because the performance was pretty much identical. 





Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on March 22, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
There could be endless debates about the money and which party deserve the most millions, but at the end of the day the main reason both boxers should get the fight on is because they fcking should. I mean is there another fight anybody wants to see? It transcends the money. Amazing that footballers always pout about doing stuff for football reasons not money so what about dem boxing reasons? Forget the money man, they should do it in Russia for no money like Rocky IV. C'mon already ffs.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on March 22, 2012, 07:27:12 PM
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: outragous76 on March 22, 2012, 07:38:16 PM
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.

It would have been, they are both way past their best and it will be nothing but a disappointment IMO. Mayweather will just lean on Manny - 12 rounds of boredom


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on March 22, 2012, 08:14:28 PM
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.

It would have been, they are both way past their best and it will be nothing but a disappointment IMO. Mayweather will just lean on Manny - 12 rounds of boredom

I just don't get this view at all.  Manny's last six wins are against Marquez, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Cotto and Hatton whilst PBF has beat Ortiz, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, De la Hoya and Baldomir.  In their next fights they fight Bradley and Cotto respectively.  They are fighting and beating the very best except each other i don't see any evidence that either is fighting worse than usual.  That is just an argument put by casual, uneducated boxing fans based on Pacquaios last fight v Marquez which, if anything, proved he is at the same level as he was 3 years ago and 8 years ago respectively.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on March 22, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.

It would have been, they are both way past their best and it will be nothing but a disappointment IMO. Mayweather will just lean on Manny - 12 rounds of boredom

I just don't get this view at all.  Manny's last six wins are against Marquez, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Cotto and Hatton whilst PBF has beat Ortiz, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, De la Hoya and Baldomir.  In their next fights they fight Bradley and Cotto respectively.  They are fighting and beating the very best except each other i don't see any evidence that either is fighting worse than usual.  That is just an argument put by casual, uneducated boxing fans based on Pacquaios last fight v Marquez which, if anything, proved he is at the same level as he was 3 years ago and 8 years ago respectively.

I think if the fight happens in the next 12 months or so it will see them at or near their peak.  But much longer than that and they'll both be past their peak, and also the gaps between fights will mean they're not as sharp as they would be if they get it on ASAP.

Morales is fighting this weekend.  Still a great fighter, but also on the down-slope after his peak.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: outragous76 on March 22, 2012, 10:34:28 PM
So may weather retired before he peaked?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on March 23, 2012, 12:50:11 AM
Although Mayweather is retired he carries on fighting like any normal fighter would. Standard boxing retirement imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on March 25, 2012, 01:25:27 PM
Morales definitely passed his peak, and pretty disrespectful note making the weight. Time to retire now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: OverTheBorder on March 25, 2012, 07:35:47 PM
Morales definitely passed his peak, and pretty disrespectful note making the weight. Time to retire now.

I watched the first 4-5 rounds and the commentators seemed to think Morales was in control, I wasnt sure what they were watching! time to call it a day me thinks!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on March 28, 2012, 08:28:25 PM
Bowe-Golota again? Surely it won't happen?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 03, 2012, 08:08:29 PM
Documentary on Radio 5Live now about the Four Kings, arguably the best era of boxing ever: Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns.

Don't worry if you miss it, it's on as a podcast from 9pm tonight for download.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 04, 2012, 04:09:42 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lspecials/all

Podcast is available for download there.  Recommend it!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on April 04, 2012, 11:50:12 PM
There is also this 1 hour 20 minute docu on Youtube called 'The Fabulous Four'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tu3bxJOmm4

It truly was a magical era. John 'The Beast' Mugabe wasn't too shabby either but he was born at the wrong time!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on May 05, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
Mayweather-Cotto tonight.

I think Cotto is the one with the best chance of beating Mayweather - certainly more likely than Pacquiao, who had first option to fight Cotto but swerved taking him on again.

It's hard to pick against Mayweather, though, and I expect he'll come through what could be his toughest fight. If Cotto can't beat him, though, I don't know who is around who could.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on May 06, 2012, 07:12:42 AM
Haye v Chisora early July.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on May 06, 2012, 09:12:24 AM
Haye v Chisora early July.
Wrong thread


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 06, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
Mayweather was at his absolute best last night.  As much as I would love to see him get beat up by Pacquaio I really think Mayweather would be a great bet at anything bigger than 4/9.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 06, 2012, 01:23:52 PM
Haye v Chisora early July.
Wrong thread

:D

Very true!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on May 06, 2012, 03:04:04 PM
Unanimous and clear win, though in the balance until Mayweather came through strong in the last few rounds, but Cotto gave him a very tough time and showed that the 7/1 odds were ridiculous:

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02212/floyd11ap_2212352k.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 06, 2012, 03:28:50 PM
Unanimous and clear win, though in the balance until Mayweather came through strong in the last few rounds, but Cotto gave him a very tough time and showed that the 7/1 odds were ridiculous:

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02212/floyd11ap_2212352k.jpg)

You think???  I backed Cotto and I never once thought there was any danger of him winning.  Mayweather is simply too accurate and hard to hit.  He may be the best ever and is certainly the best i have seen since I started watching boxing and I find him a reprehensible character but there is no denying how good he is.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on May 06, 2012, 05:43:45 PM
Mayweather is simply too accurate and hard to hit.  He may be the best ever and is certainly the best i have seen since I started watching boxing and I find him a reprehensible character but there is no denying how good he is.

I'm not going to disagree about how good Mayweather is. So why did you back Cotto?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 06, 2012, 06:28:28 PM
Mayweather was at his absolute best last night.  As much as I would love to see him get beat up by Pacquaio I really think Mayweather would be a great bet at anything bigger than 4/9.

I didn't think he was at his best last night although still won handily. 4/9 or bigger (which I expect to see if it happens) and I'll be steaming in. I think Pacquaio will have problems of his own against Bradley.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 06, 2012, 07:44:18 PM
Mayweather is simply too accurate and hard to hit.  He may be the best ever and is certainly the best i have seen since I started watching boxing and I find him a reprehensible character but there is no denying how good he is.

I'm not going to disagree about how good Mayweather is. So why did you back Cotto?

Because I thought that the fact he was likely to be two stone heavier (and world class still) come fight time might make him a bit too strong and big but it made literally zero difference.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on May 08, 2012, 12:33:11 PM
Haye v Chisora early July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17987600


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on May 08, 2012, 12:37:29 PM
Haye v Chisora early July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17987600

Nice related article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17989444 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17989444)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 08, 2012, 05:19:54 PM
Urgh - this sets such a bad precedent for boxing in this country.  When I heard about Warren setting up a press conference about a fight at Upton Park I was so excited and thought it was going to be Burns v Mitchell which would be a really good fight.  I hope the BBoC refuses to sanction any further Warren promotions but they won't.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on May 08, 2012, 08:14:20 PM
Well we knew this panto was coming. Horrible con job really. What are they even fighting for? Aside from the paltry few quid this shitfest will generate obv.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on May 23, 2012, 09:10:09 AM
Excited about this weekend. (Froch v Bute)

Although i am a big fan of Froch, I think Bute will outbox him and take it on points. Froch has a granite chin, but I reckon Bute will bash the shit out of his body. You never know though.

Go on the Cobra!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on May 23, 2012, 02:27:14 PM
Me and a few mates age going to the fight on Sat night, will be my first ever live fight. Should be fun with the Cobra fighting at home.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MPOWER on May 26, 2012, 10:40:23 PM
Anyone got better than this for Carl Forch

http://www.oleoletv.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/4/may/26/2012/4/0/130/v-413019/lucian-bute-vs-carl-froch.html


Regards

M


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2012, 11:32:33 PM
Anyone got better than this for Carl Forch

http://www.oleoletv.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/4/may/26/2012/4/0/130/v-413019/lucian-bute-vs-carl-froch.html


Regards

M


Sky TV ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 26, 2012, 11:46:30 PM
Excited about this weekend. (Froch v Bute)

Although i am a big fan of Froch, I think Bute will outbox him and take it on points. Froch has a granite chin, but I reckon Bute will bash the shit out of his body. You never know though.

Go on the Cobra!

This. Possibly even a KO.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: ACE2M on May 27, 2012, 12:06:00 AM
great atmos for this fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
Unreal atmosphere!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 27, 2012, 12:09:16 AM
great atmos for this fight.

Sounds fantastic.

Froch finally getting the backing he deserves.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: claypole on May 27, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
This has got great fight written all over it


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 27, 2012, 12:24:35 AM
What price do you think the draw is now after that first round?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: claypole on May 27, 2012, 12:25:30 AM
What price do you think the draw is now after that first round?

25s with Stan James


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 12:27:38 AM
Good 2nd round for Froch


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 27, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
The ref's getting a bit too busy for my liking.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 12:30:02 AM
Goooo Froch!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: claypole on May 27, 2012, 12:33:38 AM
COME ON MY SON.....13/8 MY ARSE


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 12:36:07 AM
KO this round surely


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on May 27, 2012, 12:36:37 AM
froch is a machine



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 27, 2012, 12:38:20 AM
I'm not sure Bute will be too keen to take the return fight now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 27, 2012, 12:38:57 AM
Awesome performance!!

Froch stoppage was 8/1

Froch v Kessler II now surely?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 27, 2012, 12:39:19 AM
Massacre


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TightEnd on May 27, 2012, 12:39:37 AM
I'm not sure Bute will be too keen to take the return fight now.

All about the money. He'll definitely take the return in Canada, and the hype for that one will go through the roof


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on May 27, 2012, 12:42:08 AM
Cobra Strikes


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on May 27, 2012, 12:44:21 AM
what was the ref playing at?

looked like he only thought about stopping it when the cornerman politely tapped his shoulder and pointed out his man was unable to stand unaided and completely out of it



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: claypole on May 27, 2012, 12:46:47 AM
Bute showed some real class there applauding, best British performance in a long long time and the whole fight just reconfirms what utter clwons Haye / Chisora are - take a bow Carl Froch, legend


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MPOWER on May 27, 2012, 12:51:06 AM
Carl Froch from Carlton Nottingham, Amazing

 He will go to Toby Grill tomorrow Daleside Road

See him there.

Regards

M

  


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MPOWER on May 27, 2012, 12:54:51 AM
Awesome performance!!

Froch stoppage was 8/1

Froch v Kessler II now surely?

Got 5/1 on 365 for £200

Regards

M


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 27, 2012, 12:55:35 AM
That was immense.  Froch is such a warrior.....one of my fave sportsmen ever.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on May 27, 2012, 12:58:11 AM
This....

That was immense.  Froch is such a warrior.....one of my fave sportsmen ever.

And This...

Bute showed some real class there applauding, best British performance in a long long time and the whole fight just reconfirms what utter clwons Haye / Chisora are - take a bow Carl Froch, legend


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 27, 2012, 12:59:19 AM
That was immense.  Froch is such a warrior.....one of my fave sportsmen ever.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:08:38 AM
Carl Froch looks like the worst athletic boxer I've ever seen, he's a flabby wieghty boxer, I dont understand how he's a pro ??


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 27, 2012, 01:10:36 AM
Carl Froch looks like the worst athletic boxer I've ever seen, he's a flabby wieghty boxer, I dont understand how he's a pro ??

He's got heart and commitment to the game


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TommyD on May 27, 2012, 01:21:00 AM
Carl Froch looks like the worst athletic boxer I've ever seen, he's a flabby wieghty boxer, I dont understand how he's a pro ??

Huge heart, fast hands and a chin made of oak.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:23:04 AM
FWIW I'm not saying he's not a good boxer but look of the clip of him, Hatton was a degenerate and smashed the drink but when he fought he looked in amazing shape, Froch looked like a bum.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 27, 2012, 01:24:59 AM
Froch is amazing. The whole fight was fought from start to finish with such professionalism rather than hype. Bute's trainer just gave a really dignified interview too.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:26:57 AM
Sorry and I know I'm being negative but Carl Froch is not a legend, it's such an overused word and he is not deserving of that title, wp tonight but cmon. The guy doesn't even look in great shape ffs.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TommyD on May 27, 2012, 01:28:05 AM
That is the kind of fight we want to see.  Both guys committed, taking it to each other rather than cuddling and both camps very respectful after the fight. A touch of class that boxing has been lacking lately.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 27, 2012, 01:28:58 AM
Sorry and I know I'm being negative but Carl Froch is not a legend, it's such an overused word and he is not deserving of that title, wp tonight but cmon. The guy doesn't even look in great shape ffs.

Who said legend?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:29:33 AM
Bute showed some real class there applauding, best British performance in a long long time and the whole fight just reconfirms what utter clwons Haye / Chisora are - take a bow Carl Froch, legend


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:29:56 AM
Love you Shaun :P


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bigfella on May 27, 2012, 01:30:44 AM
Great performance, a true legend  ;D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TommyD on May 27, 2012, 01:31:45 AM
Sorry and I know I'm being negative but Carl Froch is not a legend, it's such an overused word and he is not deserving of that title, wp tonight but cmon. The guy doesn't even look in great shape ffs.

I agree the talk on the TV about 'Hall of Fame' and legend was very over done.  However just because he isn't ripped doesn't mean he's not in good boxing shape.  Haye went into his last fight in great condition and circled/slipped over for as long as he could before blaming his toe.  Being a fighter is about much more than your abs.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 27, 2012, 01:32:04 AM
Sorry and I know I'm being negative but Carl Froch is not a legend, it's such an overused word and he is not deserving of that title, wp tonight but cmon. The guy doesn't even look in great shape ffs.

This must be a level?

Looks in half decent shape to me

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2ltipax.jpg)

Three time World Champion = Legend in my book


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on May 27, 2012, 01:32:14 AM
My eyes must be deceiving me but Froch looked in terrific shape did he not?

Mond- I met the guy that invented window sils the other day, what a ledge.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:32:48 AM
Great performance, a true legend  ;D

Haha, Great performance yes, ture legend, ermmm if he's a legend of boxing I'm a legend of poker.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 27, 2012, 01:33:06 AM
Think monda likes pretty boys


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 27, 2012, 01:33:26 AM
Looks in good shape to me


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:37:08 AM
Sorry and I know I'm being negative but Carl Froch is not a legend, it's such an overused word and he is not deserving of that title, wp tonight but cmon. The guy doesn't even look in great shape ffs.

I agree the talk on the TV about 'Hall of Fame' and legend was very over done.  However just because he isn't ripped doesn't mean he's not in good boxing shape.  Haye went into his last fight in great condition and circled/slipped over for as long as he could before blaming his toe.  Being a fighter is about much more than your abs.

I'm sure he put 100% effort in, congrats to him on the win, but absolutely no way is he a legend of boxing, glgl getting that through.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:38:16 AM
My eyes must be deceiving me but Froch looked in terrific shape did he not?

Mond- I met the guy that invented window sils the other day, what a ledge.

What was his name, did u get on well ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 27, 2012, 01:41:47 AM
I wouldn't mind looking that in that bad shape :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on May 27, 2012, 01:46:16 AM
Had to watch this after tonight!


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYcGdQdoUbc.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:46:51 AM
I wouldn't mind looking that in that bad shape :D

It's quite clear he's a fat bastard, not sure where all the love is coming from :P


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 01:51:10 AM
Had to watch this after tonight!


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYcGdQdoUbc.

Are people really saying that he looked in better shape tonight then he does here ? If so ignore me, and WTF ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on May 27, 2012, 01:59:12 AM
 Carl Froch's bird was in better shape than both the fighters :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on May 27, 2012, 08:37:46 AM
Carl Froch was superb last night.  You don't win World Titles if you are some kind of out of shape mug!

And to win a title against an undefeated opponent at the age of 35 is remarkable IMO

GTFO haters.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 27, 2012, 12:00:48 PM
Froch was immense last night but the referee was a total disgrace IMO.

The ref. got busy in the first couple of rounds for no apparent reason other that to take centre-stage as far as I could see and then when it was obvious to all and sundry that the fight should have been stopped as Bute was clearly out on his feet and not capable of defending himself, he deemed it only worthy of a standing count. Where do the IBF find these guys?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on May 27, 2012, 12:05:34 PM
Carl Froch was superb last night.  You don't win World Titles if you are some kind of out of shape mug!

And to win a title against an undefeated opponent at the age of 35 is remarkable IMO

GTFO Mondatoo

fyp.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on May 27, 2012, 12:06:47 PM
is boxing judged on what you look like ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 27, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
Froch was excellent last night and came into the ring looking very focused and up for it. Not sure of the calibre of Bute, but a 30-0 record suggests he's no mug.

Be interesting to see if the rematch clause is used by Bute, as it'd be a good payday for him, but can't see the result being any different.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 12:13:16 PM
Froch was excellent last night and came into the ring looking very focused and up for it. Not sure of the calibre of Bute, but a 30-0 record suggests he's no mug.

Be interesting to see if the rematch clause is used by Bute, as it'd be a good payday for him, but can't see the result being any different.

I'd like to see Froch come in that focused and keep his hands that high vs Ward.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: claypole on May 27, 2012, 12:14:31 PM
Monda - legend


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 27, 2012, 12:57:00 PM
Monda - legend

Not sure whether Monda is levelling here but Froch is a bona fide legend not because he is the best boxer ever but because he is probably the only top class British (and only one of a handful internationally) fighter that NEVER ducks a fight.  He has fought every single one of the best champions and contenders since the day he beat Jean Pascal.   In terms of the way he approaches his fights and just how he holds himself in general he is a wonderful example of what a boxer should be.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 27, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
Monda - legend

Not sure whether Monda is levelling here but Froch is a bona fide legend not because he is the best boxer ever but because he is probably the only top class British (and only one of a handful internationally) fighter that NEVER ducks a fight.  He has fought every single one of the best champions and contenders since the day he beat Jean Pascal.   In terms of the way he approaches his fights and just how he holds himself in general he is a wonderful example of what a boxer should be.

...and his missus is fit.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 27, 2012, 04:51:09 PM
Froch was excellent last night and came into the ring looking very focused and up for it. Not sure of the calibre of Bute, but a 30-0 record suggests he's no mug.

Be interesting to see if the rematch clause is used by Bute, as it'd be a good payday for him, but can't see the result being any different.

No chance Bute uses the rematch clause.  He will have been mentally scarred by last nights fight in much the same way Jeff Lacy was after he fought Calzaghe.  He was like a rabbit caught in headlights.  If they fight again the result would be exactly the same.  I think he will go back to Canada and go back to beating up the Magees, Brinkleys etc. although depending on how last nights defeat has affected him he may not even be able to do that as comfortably as he has in the past


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 07:44:26 PM
Monda - legend

Not sure whether Monda is levelling here but Froch is a bona fide legend not because he is the best boxer ever but because he is probably the only top class British (and only one of a handful internationally) fighter that NEVER ducks a fight.  He has fought every single one of the best champions and contenders since the day he beat Jean Pascal.   In terms of the way he approaches his fights and just how he holds himself in general he is a wonderful example of what a boxer should be.

I don't think someone should be classed as a legend because they haven't ducked fights, that just shows the state of boxing really.

Horseplayer - Obv his appearance has no relevance to his skill level and I was probably a tad harsh with my comments with regards to that, no way is he a legend though, imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 27, 2012, 07:57:54 PM
No point in really discussing it now- time will tell whether he obtains legend status. I just think he's a warrior of a boxer.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2012, 08:00:13 PM
No point in really discussing it now- time will tell whether he obtains legend status. I just think he's a warrior of a boxer.

Well yeah, it doesn't really matter if different people have a different opinion on who is/isn't a legend.

Good luck to him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
The frustrating thing about Froch is the fights he's lost he so easily cold have won or had a much bigger say in. If he comes in as focused as last night he can beat anyone in the division.

He should beat Kessler. Then if Ward goes to light heavy he's got options.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 28, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
Johny Tapia found dead at 45

http://www.thejournal.ie/tapias-crazy-life-ends-at-45-465696-May2012/

Not surprised at all, always seemed like he was walking a tightrope in his life between the good and the demons


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 28, 2012, 01:14:17 PM
Johny Tapia found dead at 45

http://www.thejournal.ie/tapias-crazy-life-ends-at-45-465696-May2012/

Not surprised at all, always seemed like he was walking a tightrope in his life between the good and the demons

A legend.  Thought he'd starting turning things round and was promoting and doing other work.  Obviously not.  RIP Johnny.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 28, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
Paul Williams paralysed in a motorcycle accident.

Tragic day for boxing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 28, 2012, 09:39:00 PM
Paul Williams paralysed in a motorcycle accident.

Tragic day for boxing.


Shit.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 09, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
What time is the fight expected to start ? Think it could be a good one.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on June 09, 2012, 10:53:25 PM
TYhis won't help you much but it will not start before the Heat - Celtics NBA game is finished according to Bob Arum because manny is a big Celtics fan (I am not making this shit up)  I am expecting about 11pm here so 4am there earliest.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 09, 2012, 10:58:28 PM
I expected 5, thinking about going to sleep now and setting the alarm. Might go for half 4.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on June 09, 2012, 11:00:59 PM
I expected 5, thinking about going to sleep now and setting the alarm. Might go for half 4.

I can not find the channel it's being shown on, can anyone help?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on June 09, 2012, 11:10:38 PM
Think it is on Primetime ppv in UK


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on June 09, 2012, 11:28:04 PM
Think it is on Primetime ppv in UK

Thx, you are spot on!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 10, 2012, 05:34:14 AM
Very one-sided traffic so far as they go into the 7th.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 10, 2012, 06:01:18 AM
Ridiculous decision.

Manny won the first 7 rounds, and quite clearly.  So how can he lose on points? 

Just when you think boxing can't become more of a joke...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on June 10, 2012, 06:02:32 AM
wow, just wow!!

I had it 117-112 Pacquaio.  No way in the world Bradley won that fight.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: buzzharvey22 on June 10, 2012, 06:04:57 AM
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 10, 2012, 06:10:23 AM
They're talking about Bradley winning the first - but even if he did, Manny won 2-9 (convincingly) so that's 4 rounds to Bradley max.  Where did the judges see the other rounds going to Bradley?  Lots of those rounds weren't even close.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 10, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
I'm confused!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on June 10, 2012, 06:31:43 AM
End of Boxing


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 10, 2012, 07:00:55 AM
I was genuinely in shock when the decision was announced, decent chance this gets overturned ?

Although it obv won't make as much money this could actually result in Manny V Mayweather actually happening since now Pacquiou would have to accept taking less and Floyd will be more confident he'll win.

Manny looked like he left so much in the tank, he clearly won the fight but he'll be regretting that now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on June 10, 2012, 07:12:07 AM
How can ya land 100 more punches and lose the fight..  Joke



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 10, 2012, 10:08:47 AM
Joke-card:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100025165/the-official-scorecard-shows-manny-pacquiao-shocking-loss-to-timothy-bradley-in-las-vegas/

Quote
Judge C J Ross (115-113 to Bradley) scored it 7-5 in rds to Bradley. He gave rounds 2, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 12 to the American; rounds 1, 3, 4, 6 and 9 to Pacquiao.

Judge Duane Ford (115-113 to Bradley) scored it 7-5 in rds to Bradley. He gave rounds 1, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 to Bradley; Rds 2, 3, 4, 6 and 11 to Pacquiao.

Judge Jerry Roth (115-113 Pacquiao) scored it 7-5 in rds to Pacquiao. He gave rounds 2, 7, 10, 11, 12 to Bradley; Rds 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 9 to Pacquiao.

I scored it Rds 1, 10, 11 to Bradley, the rest to Pacquiao – overall 117-111.

Ringside punching statistics showed Pacquiao landing 253 punches to 159 for Bradley, who vowed before the fight to take the title from Pacquiao. The Compubox statistics showed Pacquiao landing more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on June 10, 2012, 10:37:22 AM
I was genuinely in shock when the decision was announced, decent chance this gets overturned ?

Although it obv won't make as much money this could actually result in Manny V Mayweather actually happening since now Pacquiou would have to accept taking less and Floyd will be more confident he'll win.

Manny looked like he left so much in the tank, he clearly won the fight but he'll be regretting that now.

After Manny's dodgy decision vs Marquez on his last outing? No way this is being overturned.

Bob Arum, the problem with the whole Mayweather Pacquiao fight, has basically screwed Manny for his new cash cow.

Don King > Bob Arum.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: pokerfan on June 10, 2012, 11:23:47 AM
Didn't see the fight but if this any way near accurate wtf !

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-boxing-pacquiao-bradley-20120610,0,5355682.story



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on June 10, 2012, 03:10:08 PM
I saw a couple of points on some website this morning that made sense to me.

- Unless there is a knockdown, there are very few 10-8 rounds. Even if one boxer dominates the other, he will generally get a 10-9.

- If one guy shades it over the the other, he gets 10-9 as well.

- There are very few drawn rounds (none by any judge in Pacquiao-Bradley). Judges seem to feel that they have to find a winner for each round, even though the difference can be marginal.

- The result is that someone who barely shades several rounds, that were more or less even, can get a decision over someone who pulverised him in the other rounds.

The recommendations were for more recognition of dominant rounds in the scoring and more rounds to be scored as draws if there was little difference in that round.

I haven't seen this fight, so I can't say for certain whether this was partly the cause of the result but, from what I have read, it seems that Pacquiao won the early rounds by a distance and Bradley won several of the later rounds more narrowly, but would have received the same score. (I know he was also given some rounds that people disagreed with, but that is a separate question.)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 10, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
I really don't think that this fight and the Marquez fight are anywhere near the same. I may be slightly biased as I am a big Manny fan but last nights fight just wasn't even close, don't believe that was the case with Marquez and I thought Pacquaio just shaded that fight but could see why others felt it should've went to Marquez.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 10, 2012, 04:56:53 PM
The judges awarded rounds to Bradley where Pacquiao was the aggressor, landed more punches, landed more meaningful punches, threw more punches, had a higher successful strike rate percentage, backed up Bradley and hurt him.

That's why Bradley got the decision. Utter farce.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 10, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
LOL - http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/06/10/the-timothy-bradley-manny-pacquiao-rematch-poster-was-already-made-two-weeks-ago/


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TightEnd on June 10, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
It's a fix pure and simple - promoters want to sell a rematch.

The sport is losing credibility, fast.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on June 10, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
I really don't think that this fight and the Marquez fight are anywhere near the same. I may be slightly biased as I am a big Manny fan but last nights fight just wasn't even close, don't believe that was the case with Marquez and I thought Pacquaio just shaded that fight but could see why others felt it should've went to Marquez.

I agree with what you're saying Monda, my point is more that the result of each fight was predetermined. The margins of victory were irrelevant.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 11, 2012, 12:23:07 AM
I really don't think that this fight and the Marquez fight are anywhere near the same. I may be slightly biased as I am a big Manny fan but last nights fight just wasn't even close, don't believe that was the case with Marquez and I thought Pacquaio just shaded that fight but could see why others felt it should've went to Marquez.

I agree with what you're saying Monda, my point is more that the result of each fight was predetermined. The margins of victory were irrelevant.

Ah ok, yeah that's probably true, such a joke "sport".


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MereNovice on June 11, 2012, 01:47:45 AM
It's a fix pure and simple - promoters want to sell a rematch.

The sport is losing credibility, fast.

So Arum is levelling when he says:
"I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this [decision] was outrageous." ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18384849


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 22, 2012, 12:57:29 AM
Seems harsh the result can't be overturned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18434874


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on June 22, 2012, 04:38:52 AM
Seems harsh the result can't be overturned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18434874
 

Makes it even more of a joke.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on June 22, 2012, 08:53:26 AM
Seems harsh the result can't be overturned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18434874
 

Makes it even more of a joke.

Glad to see a rematch could be ordered from it at least  ;dingdell;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 10, 2012, 06:50:32 PM
Fight is a farce but this made me chuckle:

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01524/del-shirt_1524563a.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 10, 2012, 06:56:52 PM
Fight is a farce but this made me chuckle:

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01524/del-shirt_1524563a.jpg)
We're on the move.
Hope this is a proper scrap with big bombs then we see a decent Boxing exhibition from Kahn


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on July 10, 2012, 07:10:50 PM
I dont see much chatter around here about Kell Brook?

What do we make of him, anyone see the fight on Saturday, pretty good fight I thought! I've watched his last 3 or 4 fights and like his style, but he got a bit of a rude awakening on Saturday pretty much clinging on at the end, but I really enjoyed the fight I must say! The other guy was something else , just kept coming forward after getting flogged for the first 5 rounds.

Oh and yea he sounds a bit like Keith Lemon no?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 10, 2012, 07:45:32 PM
Yeh I like Kell Brook, Deffo a future world champ. Done it the hard way unlike some, Kahn avoided him for years..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 10, 2012, 09:40:33 PM
Going into Saturday I thought he was potentially an absolute world beater.  Good to see him get a test and thought it was interesting that he is talking about getting a new strength/conditioning coach after Saturday.  He is a legitimate top 5 or 6 in the world welterweight imo and those better are all pound for pound contenders pretty much.  Would like to see him fight Berto personally.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 11, 2012, 01:55:46 AM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 11, 2012, 03:00:49 AM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 11, 2012, 03:04:31 AM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.

Why?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 11, 2012, 03:08:58 PM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.

Why?

Because they have completely disgraced the sport of boxing for one. What is this fight for? It's the equivalent of meeting someone in the playground after school for a punch up, not only that but they can only have the fight when the substitute teacher is working as the normal teacher will whack em both in detention before either throws a punch.

On a side note anyone see the Eubank Jr fight? They are not hanging around with his match ups! Proper brawls. His name and style of fighting is going to sell a lot of tickets!



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 11, 2012, 03:15:43 PM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.

Why?

Because they completely disregarded the fact that Chisora had had his license suspended and Haye wasn't even licensed in this country to go and get the fight sanctioned by the Luxemborg boxing board (for a fat fee) against the wishes of basically every other boxing authority in the world.  Chisora was banned for a reason and Haye would not have been given a license by any other board after his behaviour in Germany.  I love my boxing and I will not be watching this fight and would urge others not to.  Unfortunately it will probably draw a big crowd and decent ppv.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 11, 2012, 04:04:32 PM
I don't get the universal antipathy for this fight. Lots of boxers, especially heavyweights, have been involved in similar incidents without it affecting their image the way it has with these two.

I guess the feeling of being let down by Haye is also part of it. We all had a laugh about his toe, but it probably did have some effect on his movement in that fight (not suggesting he would have won).


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 11, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Yeah but when most boxers that are involved in incidents like this have their licenses rescinded or suspended they respect that decision and don't fight until they get sanctioned again.  Chisora slapped Klitschko at the weigh in, spat at his brother in the ring then got involved in a very unseemly brawl at the press conference.  Do you think he should be able to fight again six months later?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 11, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
I'm hoping one of em gets the beating of his life. Not bothered which one cOz they are both a disgrace just as long as one of em feels some pain


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on July 11, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
I'm hoping one of em gets the beating of his life. Not bothered which one cOz they are both a disgrace just as long as one of em feels some pain

Double KO ftw!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 11, 2012, 05:19:37 PM
If the clientele are anything like those that were at the last fight I went to at Upton Park then locking the doors and leaving them all in there would do society a great favour.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 11, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Tyson Fury fighting for the heavyweight title would be more genuine than either of these two. I watched him bash up Vinny Maddalone at the weekend and he looked sharp, progressing well. Massive guy with power and mobility. Interested in the Khan fight, think he needs a few defining fights in his career.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 11, 2012, 08:22:24 PM
Tyson Fury fighting for the heavyweight title would be more genuine than either of these two. I watched him bash up Vinny Maddalone at the weekend and he looked sharp, progressing well. Massive guy with power and mobility. Interested in the Khan fight, think he needs a few defining fights in his career.
Fury gets hammered by anyone in the top 10 doesn't he?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 11, 2012, 08:38:44 PM
Tyson Fury fighting for the heavyweight title would be more genuine than either of these two. I watched him bash up Vinny Maddalone at the weekend and he looked sharp, progressing well. Massive guy with power and mobility. Interested in the Khan fight, think he needs a few defining fights in his career.
Fury gets hammered by anyone in the top 10 doesn't he?

top 100 I'd say


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 11, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
What do we think  the outcome will be Saturday/Sunday morning regarding the Kahn vs Garcia fight?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 11, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
Kahn on points for me


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 11, 2012, 08:54:19 PM
Tyson Fury fighting for the heavyweight title would be more genuine than either of these two. I watched him bash up Vinny Maddalone at the weekend and he looked sharp, progressing well. Massive guy with power and mobility. Interested in the Khan fight, think he needs a few defining fights in his career.

A couple of fights ago I thought it was only a matter of time before Fury got knocked out.  He used to panic when he got hit but he seems a lot more deliberate and relaxed now and he is certainly progressing.  I have been quite impressed in his last couple of fights.  Would still back David Price at odds on against him though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 11, 2012, 08:57:22 PM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.

Why?

Because they have completely disgraced the sport of boxing for one. What is this fight for? It's the equivalent of meeting someone in the playground after school for a punch up, not only that but they can only have the fight when the substitute teacher is working as the normal teacher will whack em both in detention before either throws a punch.

On a side note anyone see the Eubank Jr fight? They are not hanging around with his match ups! Proper brawls. His name and style of fighting is going to sell a lot of tickets!




Love watching Eubank Jr, one of the most exciting prospects around. Hope he continues to develop and goes on to fight at the top level.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 11, 2012, 09:03:26 PM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.

Why?

Because they have completely disgraced the sport of boxing for one. What is this fight for? It's the equivalent of meeting someone in the playground after school for a punch up, not only that but they can only have the fight when the substitute teacher is working as the normal teacher will whack em both in detention before either throws a punch.

On a side note anyone see the Eubank Jr fight? They are not hanging around with his match ups! Proper brawls. His name and style of fighting is going to sell a lot of tickets!




Love watching Eubank Jr, one of the most exciting prospects around. Hope he continues to develop and goes on to fight at the top level.

Bit worried about our bet now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 11, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
Tyson Fury fighting for the heavyweight title would be more genuine than either of these two. I watched him bash up Vinny Maddalone at the weekend and he looked sharp, progressing well. Massive guy with power and mobility. Interested in the Khan fight, think he needs a few defining fights in his career.

A couple of fights ago I thought it was only a matter of time before Fury got knocked out.  He used to panic when he got hit but he seems a lot more deliberate and relaxed now and he is certainly progressing.  I have been quite impressed in his last couple of fights.  Would still back David Price at odds on against him though.

Agree. Thought he looked clumsy with suspect chin at the start. But last fight he looked sharp and the progress was clear. Still young as well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 11, 2012, 11:36:49 PM
Can't forget that image of Fury punching himself lol think he punches scared and can't find myself shouting for him. Avoided fighting David Price and his last two fights were against 40 year olds think Martin Rogan is ranked something like 90th in world and Vinny is just a journeyman.. Talks of him fighting Thomasz Adamek next, think this is a step in the right direction for him.. As for fighting Vlad that's just a joke surely..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 12, 2012, 06:49:23 AM
Said it before and ill say it again. Abs love David Price. He is abs incred. Really hope he gets to fight a Klitschko.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 12, 2012, 08:06:48 AM
Said it before and ill say it again. Abs love David Price. He is abs incred. Really hope he gets to fight a Klitschko.


Price needs a bigger challenge to what he's faced so far, but definitely looks a class above the other heavyweight Brits.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 12, 2012, 08:33:09 AM
Said it before and ill say it again. Abs love David Price. He is abs incred. Really hope he gets to fight a Klitschko.


Price needs a bigger challenge to what he's faced so far, but definitely looks a class above the other heavyweight Brits.

Fury has made it clear he is not willing to fight Price until one of them has a world title to fight for, in reality I think he just knows he would be in trouble although Adamek will be a decent test. I heard it is likely Price will face Audley Harrison next, I think he would easily walk through Audley tbh.

Reckon we will 100% see Wlad vs Price or Fury next year though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 12, 2012, 12:09:48 PM
Think it is likliest to be Fury and he would be back to bumbling Tyson imo and out of there in a couple of rounds.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 12, 2012, 02:01:14 PM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.

Why?

Because they have completely disgraced the sport of boxing for one. What is this fight for? It's the equivalent of meeting someone in the playground after school for a punch up, not only that but they can only have the fight when the substitute teacher is working as the normal teacher will whack em both in detention before either throws a punch.

On a side note anyone see the Eubank Jr fight? They are not hanging around with his match ups! Proper brawls. His name and style of fighting is going to sell a lot of tickets!




Love watching Eubank Jr, one of the most exciting prospects around. Hope he continues to develop and goes on to fight at the top level.

Bit worried about our bet now.


Had forgotten all about that! :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 12, 2012, 05:26:21 PM
Should be an easy win for Haye - an opportunity for him to look good and re-establish his position.

If there is any justice in the sport the BBBoC will carry out their threat to suspend the license of everyone involved in the fight.

Why?

Because they completely disregarded the fact that Chisora had had his license suspended and Haye wasn't even licensed in this country to go and get the fight sanctioned by the Luxemborg boxing board (for a fat fee) against the wishes of basically every other boxing authority in the world.  Chisora was banned for a reason and Haye would not have been given a license by any other board after his behaviour in Germany.  I love my boxing and I will not be watching this fight and would urge others not to.  Unfortunately it will probably draw a big crowd and decent ppv.

Agree with all of that and I won't be watching.  That said I do think the 2/1 Haye by decision is a bit on the big side in a 10 rounder.  Haye has been cautious and almost gunshy at times at heavyweight and whilst I think he will throw more punches against Chisora I don't see him emptying the clip on him.  He will box on the back foot and use his superior hand speed and footwork to outbox Chisora.   Chisora will come plodding forward and will no doubt take a few coming in but he has shown a good chin and took some big shots against both Klitschko and Helenius.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 13, 2012, 03:01:37 AM
Anyone watching the real boxing match on Saturday night???(Khan fight if you have not guessed,GTD to be a good fight that one)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 13, 2012, 03:28:58 AM
Certainly will be the only one I am watching (actually I might watch a bit of the undercard of the haye fight but I wont watch their 'fight')


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 13, 2012, 02:29:39 PM
Have to say that having seen the sky programme about Garcia and his dad, you can't but help admire them. A much better team than Kahn and his dad. Always wanted Kahn to dominate and be undisputed champ but now would not mind either winning. Really looking forward to this


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 14, 2012, 02:16:52 PM
If anyone wants to take a decent gamble on the Haye fight , Chisora to win by KO in rounds 7-10.If the fight goes to plan Haye wins easy ,but no money to be made there,so..........

If the Haye is not 100% and Chisora has a good night, he has the style to beat Haye.Haye plan will be to KO Chisora quick ,Chisora has a great chin.So if he can ride the storm and Haye gets tired, look for a late win by Chisora

Good luck all


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Killerkilsby on July 14, 2012, 07:07:20 PM
Weird thing is i agree with all the above apart from the other way round.
Can see haye winning in round 6-10 as chisora tires.
£30 returns £106-£166.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 14, 2012, 07:19:24 PM
I'm inclined to agree with demetri. Looks like an easy one for Haye and he should be able to dispose of Chisora by the middle but, the longer it goes on, the better Chisora's chances are. Vitali didn't seem to know what to do to stop him from just keeping coming forward in the last few rounds, even though Chisora wasn't winning rounds. Smart move by Haye's camp to make it 10 rounds.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 14, 2012, 07:35:25 PM
Please take note (I know my boxing),if both fighters are at there best it is a easy win for Haye.But if Haye is say only 60-70% then my gamble will be the most likely outcome


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: booder on July 14, 2012, 07:38:04 PM
What time is the Haye v Chisora fight scheduled to start please.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 14, 2012, 07:48:36 PM
What time is the Haye v Chisora fight scheduled to start please.

Depends on the undercard, innit? Estimated 9.45-10pm.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: booder on July 14, 2012, 08:03:11 PM
What time is the Haye v Chisora fight scheduled to start please.

Depends on the undercard, innit? Estimated 9.45-10pm.

ty


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 14, 2012, 08:32:50 PM
While I'm here, let me address the "I won't watch cos they're a disgrace to boxing" question.

I think there are two separate issues. Most people became fed up with Haye acting like a dick, shooting his mouth off, using decapitation and gang-rape as metaphors for what he would do to opponents and generally overstating his ability. They tolerated it while he was winning, but when he came up short against Wlad, there wasn't much sympathy from a public he had turned off. Combined with that, we have Chisora, who just seems to be a complete low-life. The events in Germany alienated the public further, even more so as their arrogance and behaviour was contrasted against the more civilised demeanour of both Klitschkos. People also felt, to some extent, that they had let the country down.

I think these are the real reasons that people are alienated from this pair. The "unseemly brawl", such as it was, was no worse than numerous others that have occurred previously and they were no more a "disgrace to boxing" for that than all the others who have indulged in this type of thing. I don't really believe those who say they are not going to watch because of the punch-up that occurred, such as it was. Two of the worst incidents in the past were largely due to Holmes and Lewis, but they remained heroes and people kept watching them.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 14, 2012, 09:00:03 PM
I've relented and I'm going to watch it. Basically due to the fact I've had a bet on it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 14, 2012, 09:21:30 PM
I'm alienated because the fight felt like a con job from the start. This grudge match guff is hard to buy into. Also I paid £15 for Haye's last fight, his big world title shot, and it worked out at about £3 per punch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on July 14, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
Any links please?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: booder on July 14, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Any links please?


http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=58419.0


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on July 14, 2012, 10:00:37 PM
Any links please?


http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=58419.0

Cheers mate.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 14, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
Yawn.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Robert HM on July 14, 2012, 10:32:04 PM
Would have hated for Haye to lose


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 14, 2012, 10:34:46 PM
About 18 months ago when Haye was at his best he was sparring with Price and Price knocked him all over the gaff. Pinning all my hopes on him for the future.

Hate how they hugged and Haye bigged him up, want to see an old school grudge where they wanna carry on fighting after the bell.

#YawnFarce


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 14, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
I've relented and I'm going to watch it. Basically due to the fact I've had a bet on it.

I'm embarrassed to say I did too.  I don't care who Haye fights next (and I still half hope they refuse him a license) they will be value.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 14, 2012, 10:53:09 PM
Have tickets to khan Garcia tonight, where I expect a decent standard of boxing from two able punchers.

Haye was an excellent cruiser but is third best at heavy by some distance.

Khan might just be coming through at the right time, avoiding a lot of big names at their peak.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 14, 2012, 11:06:05 PM
Have tickets to khan Garcia tonight, where I expect a decent standard of boxing from two able punchers.

Haye was an excellent cruiser but is third best at heavy by some distance.

Khan might just be coming through at the right time, avoiding a lot of big names at their peak.

Thin. ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: pokerfan on July 14, 2012, 11:21:55 PM

Hate how they hugged and Haye bigged him up, want to see an old school grudge where they wanna carry on fighting after the bell.

#YawnFarce

Nonsense pantomime stuff to try and revive 2 dead careers.

Fight will be arranged, both will declare hatred and say its gonna be a war. 12 boring rounds later Haye wins on points after less than 20 clean punches landed and they admit "mutual respect" for each other

Unfortunately the British public are so stupid it will work

Dubai nailed it months ago.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 14, 2012, 11:33:03 PM

Hate how they hugged and Haye bigged him up, want to see an old school grudge where they wanna carry on fighting after the bell.

#YawnFarce

Nonsense pantomime stuff to try and revive 2 dead careers.

Fight will be arranged, both will declare hatred and say its gonna be a war. 12 boring rounds later Haye wins on points after less than 20 clean punches landed and they admit "mutual respect" for each other

Unfortunately the British public are so stupid it will work

Dubai nailed it months ago.

Yeah well done (apart from getting the whole fight wrong, obviously).


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Dubai on July 15, 2012, 12:03:20 AM
As if I watched this nonsense. Took the 2-5 couple weeks ago, clicked refresh and he must have won


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 15, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
Have tickets to khan Garcia tonight, where I expect a decent standard of boxing from two able punchers.

Haye was an excellent cruiser but is third best at heavy by some distance.

Khan might just be coming through at the right time, avoiding a lot of big names at their peak.

Thin. ;)

It was as fat as I could make it but yes fair enough!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 15, 2012, 04:48:27 AM
GG Amir.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 15, 2012, 05:14:20 AM
GG Amir.

Yep.
Atleast we'll see Kell vs Kahn now..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 15, 2012, 05:32:49 AM
Wtf. I just don't get that at all. Controlling the fight then bang one punch and his plan goes out the window.  Is he that stupid that he wants to throw away all the skills he has as a boxer and brawl or is his chin that soft that his brain gets mangled the moment he gets tagged.

I can't even see  where his excuses are gonna come from in this fight as he always has them.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 15, 2012, 07:32:14 AM
Kahn has always had a suspect chin.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 15, 2012, 08:17:27 AM
Wtf. I just don't get that at all. Controlling the fight then bang one punch and his plan goes out the window.  Is he that stupid that he wants to throw away all the skills he has as a boxer and brawl or is his chin that soft that his brain gets mangled the moment he gets tagged.

I can't even see  where his excuses are gonna come from in this fight as he always has them.



He has always been chinny. He also has ideas way above his station and came a cropper for the second fight in a row. I'm guessing he won't embarrass himself further by talking about a fight with Mayweather ever again. Going the distance with Maidana was the worst thing to happen to Khan as he started to believe he could stand and trade with opponents but he can't. He should have kept the fight at range with a tight defence much like he did against Kotelnik. Had he done that he would have cruised to a wide UD.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 15, 2012, 10:59:58 AM
Khan looked a class above until he got caught. Not only suspect chin but struggles to recover from damage and has spaghetti legs when shots land. Not sure about the stoppage and this ref always tilts me but clear Khan is lacking a vital ingredient. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 15, 2012, 11:29:57 AM
Khan looked a class above until he got caught. Not only suspect chin but struggles to recover from damage and has spaghetti legs when shots land. Not sure about the stoppage and this ref always tilts me but clear Khan is lacking a vital ingredient. 

Should have been stopped at the end of the 3rd.  If you are wanting to convince a ref you are fit to continue you stand with your gloves up and look at him. Not stand looking at the canvas with your arms by your sides.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on July 15, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
Kahn has always had a suspect chin.

It looks as though he also has a suspect neck.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 15, 2012, 12:44:26 PM
Khan could learn a lot from Johnny Nelson. When he started at the Ingle gym he was a terrible boxer by all accounts. He was moulded into a great boxer and managed to win fight after fight without getting hit. Yes, they were pretty boring at times - but I'm sure that Khan wouldn't have minded winning against Garcia in a boring 12-rounder.

Khan isn't a great fighter, he's a great boxer. Against world-class opposition he's no more than an average fighter.

He's got to decide if he wants to be in toe-to-toe brawls, which he'll win some and lose some; or he can choose to box and use his talents and probably win most of his fights, even at world class level.

Unfortunately, I don't think he's ever going to learn though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 15, 2012, 12:56:52 PM

He's got to decide if he wants to be in toe-to-toe brawls, which he'll win some and lose some; or he can choose to box and use his talents and probably win most of his fights, even at world class level.
 

Agree with this, technically he is a great boxer, but he is not a great fighter!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 15, 2012, 04:04:52 PM
Khan looked a class above until he got caught. Not only suspect chin but struggles to recover from damage and has spaghetti legs when shots land. Not sure about the stoppage and this ref always tilts me but clear Khan is lacking a vital ingredient. 

Should have been stopped at the end of the 3rd.  If you are wanting to convince a ref you are fit to continue you stand with your gloves up and look at him. Not stand looking at the canvas with your arms by your sides.

Agree fight should be over at the end of the 3rd, but Bayless gives Khan 20 secs recovery after hitting the canvas when Garcia was ready to finish him off. In that knockdown and the next one Khan's arms were right down by his sides but it was deemd ok to box on. In the last one Khan is looking the ref straight in the eye saying I am alright as he calls it off. Nigel Benn would have lost half the fights he won with Bayless in charge. He dives in to break fighters too much as well.

@Kin, I don't reckon Khan has all the ingredients to be called a great boxer. The first rule of boxing is defend yourself at all times and if you can't absorb single half decent shots you wont be able to do that. He's got some great attributes but lacks some essential skills. It's like saying Theo Walcott is a great footballer. I agree Khan should avoid brawling but he will still get punched in title fights. Must be very frustrating for Roach and Khan.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 15, 2012, 04:10:34 PM
Khan can take shots when he doesn't stand toe-to-toe.  The shots he gets hurt by are shots that really shouldn't land at all. A decent guard or proper use of his feet and he doesn't get hit.  Before he was trained by Roach he was often getting tagged by these shots, but more often than not it was at a lower level by fighters not known for being bangers.  I'd hoped that Roach was helping him step up a level so he would be fighting smarter. Unfortunately, that's not happened.

Like I said, folly Johnny Nelson's example and go out with the game-plan of not getting hit and hitting the other fella enough to win on points (and if you're lucky enough to land some good shots on him, you might even get a stoppage win).


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 15, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
Where to now for Khan (and indeed Garcia)? Hang around 140, where there aren't really many big fights left for either of them or go to 147, where they can improve their exposure, marketability and earning power against some names? Both are likely to struggle badly, though, and get duffed up at that weight, and I don't mean just by those at the very top - there are quite a few decent boxers at that weight who would be likely to take either of them apart.

Best strategy to try to leapfrog the rest for a big payoff against Mayweather or Pacquiao, with always the chance of getting lucky? Presumably the winner of Guerrero-Aydin will have first shot at that.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 15, 2012, 07:59:47 PM
If Garcia gave a re match Id like to be on Khan at a fancy price


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 16, 2012, 12:04:59 AM
Won't be a rematch. Khan will move up to 147 now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2012, 12:24:34 AM
If Garcia gave a re match Id like to be on Khan at a fancy price

You wouldn't get any bigger than 6/4 and realistically probably evens.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Horneris on July 16, 2012, 12:37:58 AM
Khan would be jolly olly


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 16, 2012, 12:39:29 AM
Freddie Roach says Khan wants a rematch in the UK. Garcia can fight for a million dollars in the US (he got half that this time) and has no real reason to take on a better boxer who has no titles.

Step up to 147 and fight a British joker so that he doesn't lose 3 on the bounce. Get back to winning or hang up your gloves


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2012, 02:31:17 AM
Actually think now is the perfect time for him to take on Kell Brook.  It is literally the only fight that can get him back up and Brook isn't a real banger so is ideal for Khan who should be able to look good against him.  It is obviously a big risk but I think at this stage Khan has to take a fight like that.  I think pretty much any other fight would have to be at a level and with a crowd that Khan would find difficult to get up for properly.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 16, 2012, 07:25:59 AM
Actually think now is the perfect time for him to take on Kell Brook.  It is literally the only fight that can get him back up and Brook isn't a real banger so is ideal for Khan who should be able to look good against him.  It is obviously a big risk but I think at this stage Khan has to take a fight like that.  I think pretty much any other fight would have to be at a level and with a crowd that Khan would find difficult to get up for properly.

Agree. The fight would be a massive seller over here and the winner would be in line for a title shot.  It also has a big attraction for Brook as a win would give him far greater recognition.  Would be a very interesting fight.  I'm also looking for tasty odds on Garcia's opponent next time he is in with someone world class as I'm pretty sure they will be value on the back of Saturday's result. A decent boxer with a defence will school him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 16, 2012, 10:06:58 AM
Actually think now is the perfect time for him to take on Kell Brook.  It is literally the only fight that can get him back up and Brook isn't a real banger so is ideal for Khan who should be able to look good against him.  It is obviously a big risk but I think at this stage Khan has to take a fight like that.  I think pretty much any other fight would have to be at a level and with a crowd that Khan would find difficult to get up for properly.

Agree. The fight would be a massive seller over here and the winner would be in line for a title shot.  It also has a big attraction for Brook as a win would give him far greater recognition.  Would be a very interesting fight.  I'm also looking for tasty odds on Garcia's opponent next time he is in with someone world class as I'm pretty sure they will be value on the back of Saturday's result. A decent boxer with a defence will school him.

+1 to both of these


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: FUN4FRASER on July 16, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
Khan at 6-4 plus would be a bet... and I agree with Bazza Garcia could be worth opposing next time


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 18, 2012, 06:55:01 PM
Khan vs Brook makes the most sense right now imo (for both fighters)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Micko on July 18, 2012, 08:44:35 PM
Khan vs Brook makes the most sense right now imo (for both fighters)

Maybe too risky for khan - if he was beat surely means end of career.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 18, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
I don't think Kell needs to take it either. He is on the up and I see Kahn as a side ways step. Does Kell not say Kahn always dodged him?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 18, 2012, 09:52:48 PM
While I'm here, let me address the "I won't watch cos they're a disgrace to boxing" question.

I think there are two separate issues. Most people became fed up with Haye acting like a dick, shooting his mouth off, using decapitation and gang-rape as metaphors for what he would do to opponents and generally overstating his ability. They tolerated it while he was winning, but when he came up short against Wlad, there wasn't much sympathy from a public he had turned off. Combined with that, we have Chisora, who just seems to be a complete low-life. The events in Germany alienated the public further, even more so as their arrogance and behaviour was contrasted against the more civilised demeanour of both Klitschkos. People also felt, to some extent, that they had let the country down.

I think these are the real reasons that people are alienated from this pair. The "unseemly brawl", such as it was, was no worse than numerous others that have occurred previously and they were no more a "disgrace to boxing" for that than all the others who have indulged in this type of thing. I don't really believe those who say they are not going to watch because of the punch-up that occurred, such as it was. Two of the worst incidents in the past were largely due to Holmes and Lewis, but they remained heroes and people kept watching them.

Lewis how?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 18, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
I don't think Kell needs to take it either. He is on the up and I see Kahn as a side ways step. Does Kell not say Kahn always dodged him?

Think Kell would love the fight to happen


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 18, 2012, 11:23:30 PM
I don't think Kell needs to take it either. He is on the up and I see Kahn as a side ways step. Does Kell not say Kahn always dodged him?

Think Kell would love the fight to happen
I follow Eddie Hearn on twitter and get the impression that they don't need Kahn do much any more


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 18, 2012, 11:30:57 PM
While I'm here, let me address the "I won't watch cos they're a disgrace to boxing" question.

I think there are two separate issues. Most people became fed up with Haye acting like a dick, shooting his mouth off, using decapitation and gang-rape as metaphors for what he would do to opponents and generally overstating his ability. They tolerated it while he was winning, but when he came up short against Wlad, there wasn't much sympathy from a public he had turned off. Combined with that, we have Chisora, who just seems to be a complete low-life. The events in Germany alienated the public further, even more so as their arrogance and behaviour was contrasted against the more civilised demeanour of both Klitschkos. People also felt, to some extent, that they had let the country down.

I think these are the real reasons that people are alienated from this pair. The "unseemly brawl", such as it was, was no worse than numerous others that have occurred previously and they were no more a "disgrace to boxing" for that than all the others who have indulged in this type of thing. I don't really believe those who say they are not going to watch because of the punch-up that occurred, such as it was. Two of the worst incidents in the past were largely due to Holmes and Lewis, but they remained heroes and people kept watching them.

Lewis how?

He had a joint interview with Rahman that turned into a wrestling match that smashed up half the set. Both to blame to start with, or even a bit more Rahman, but then Lewis kept coming back for more.

Holmes had a dust-up in the car-park with Berbick and then ran over the top of a car like a runaway walrus to land a surprisingly impressive drop-kick.

It's all on YouTube.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 18, 2012, 11:41:59 PM
I'll check it out tyty


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 19, 2012, 01:51:05 AM
I'm sorry to say I thought the Lewis vs Rahman brawl was tremendous. Needless to say disgusting behaviour but very entertaining all the same. Funny how everybody on set is looking to break up the fight but quickly realise nobody present actually has the ability to do so. This sort of genuine incident gets you excited about a fight whereas Haye and Chisora put on a punch and judy show.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 19, 2012, 02:10:08 AM
Didn't realise Kahn was only 25, seems a bit mad to suggest he should consider retirement. He desperately needs a reality check as he definitely has some skillz but if he wanted to fight Mayweather for any reason other than a huge payday then he's delusional.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Killerkilsby on July 19, 2012, 07:43:20 AM
Didn't realise Kahn was only 25, seems a bit mad to suggest he should consider retirement. He desperately needs a reality check as he definitely has some skillz but if he wanted to fight Mayweather for any reason other than a huge payday then he's delusional.

Yer, to fight Mayweather anytime in the next couple of years and his career would be over.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on July 19, 2012, 08:26:23 AM
Noticed in Sky he is trying to blame Freddie Roach for his defeat. What a joke because he is basically implying having to play second fiddle to Manny was the reason. Kahn says he has to sit down with his team and discuss what their options are.

Get rid of your Team Amir and listen to every word Freddie tells you. He gets you training and tactics spot on right up to the point where you get tagged and all his time and effort goes out the window. Don't listen to your dad and hangers on because they are clueless.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 19, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
It's already been said but Freddie wants Khan to come inside, get a couple away and get back out. Khan wants to get inside and beat the guy up.

Freddie's way is easier on Khan because it's low-risk but I get the sense Khan finds it boring; he wants to get KOs and doesn't fancy spending 8 rounds a fight keeping the opponent behind the jab. Perhaps it's a crowd-pleasing thing.

But Khan isn't Ricky Hatton. He can't come inside AND take a punch like Hatton did. He's a much better boxer though. He just doesn't want to use his assets.

If he breaks with Roach, he'll regret it IMO


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 19, 2012, 07:05:18 PM
Noticed in Sky he is trying to blame Freddie Roach for his defeat. What a joke because he is basically implying having to play second fiddle to Manny was the reason. Kahn says he has to sit down with his team and discuss what their options are.

Get rid of your Team Amir and listen to every word Freddie tells you. He gets you training and tactics spot on right up to the point where you get tagged and all his time and effort goes out the window. Don't listen to your dad and hangers on because they are clueless.

This is not correct Khan said "I was in the ring I took the shot no one else is to blame"

Him moaning that he does not get 100% of Roach attention is correct and he has a right to!99% of boxers fighting for world titles will have there trainers in there camp 100% of the time.Having your trainer there 50% of the time is very bad.Khan is to blame for the loss ,but some blame should go on Roach to.Khan was having the worst sparring ever when Freddy was away  training Manny,so so so wrong


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 19, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
It's already been said but Freddie wants Khan to come inside, get a couple away and get back out. Khan wants to get inside and beat the guy up.

Freddie's way is easier on Khan because it's low-risk but I get the sense Khan finds it boring; he wants to get KOs and doesn't fancy spending 8 rounds a fight keeping the opponent behind the jab. Perhaps it's a crowd-pleasing thing.

But Khan isn't Ricky Hatton. He can't come inside AND take a punch like Hatton did. He's a much better boxer though. He just doesn't want to use his assets.

If he breaks with Roach, he'll regret it IMO


Agree 100%


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 21, 2012, 12:26:56 AM
The next best thing in boxing...........

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nJ3_fD3zrrQ

Remember the name


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 21, 2012, 12:39:48 AM
The next best thing in boxing...........

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nJ3_fD3zrrQ

Remember the name

Looks good, didn't make weight for his fight tmoro and got stripped of his belt, seems he doesn't care as he's moving up. 10 1st round knockouts in 23 fights, what a sicko.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 21, 2012, 11:46:19 AM
The next best thing in boxing...........

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nJ3_fD3zrrQ

Remember the name

Overhyped beyond belief and his antics yesterday were a disgrace.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 21, 2012, 02:42:29 PM
The next best thing in boxing...........

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nJ3_fD3zrrQ

Remember the name

Overhyped beyond belief and his antics yesterday were a disgrace.

lol,you will see

They said the same about Mayweather at this point in his career


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 21, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
The next best thing in boxing...........

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nJ3_fD3zrrQ

Remember the name

Overhyped beyond belief and his antics yesterday were a disgrace.

lol,you will see

They said the same about Mayweather at this point in his career

Maybe I will but thus far he hasn't fought anyone that could be remotely termed as world class. I also saw Ponce De Leon give him a lot of problems. He may turn out to be special but I'll wait until he beats someone of substance before I get carried away.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 21, 2012, 03:54:15 PM
The next best thing in boxing...........

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nJ3_fD3zrrQ

Remember the name

Overhyped beyond belief and his antics yesterday were a disgrace.

lol,you will see

They said the same about Mayweather at this point in his career

Maybe I will but thus far he hasn't fought anyone that could be remotely termed as world class. I also saw Ponce De Leon give him a lot of problems. He may turn out to be special but I'll wait until he beats someone of substance before I get carried away.

This.

Also, a lot of people get compared to Mayweather. Stats say he's an explosive fighter. So was Prince Naseem. Then he went to Vegas...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: demetri1978 on July 22, 2012, 12:46:37 AM
The next best thing in boxing...........

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nJ3_fD3zrrQ

Remember the name

Overhyped beyond belief and his antics yesterday were a disgrace.

lol,you will see

They said the same about Mayweather at this point in his career

Maybe I will but thus far he hasn't fought anyone that could be remotely termed as world class. I also saw Ponce De Leon give him a lot of problems. He may turn out to be special but I'll wait until he beats someone of substance before I get carried away.

This.

Also, a lot of people get compared to Mayweather. Stats say he's an explosive fighter. So was Prince Naseem. Then he went to Vegas...

Don't forget buddy Naseem was a top fighter ,only fell short against the elite.Just like Hatton ,they beat everyone else.Which makes them top fighters


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 23, 2012, 11:45:22 PM
Price V Harrison Oct 13th. Price KO round 2 or 3 for me.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 24, 2012, 01:10:28 AM
Price V Harrison Oct 13th. Price KO round 2 or 3 for me.

I'll lay you.  What price he knocks him out within a minute?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 24, 2012, 01:29:18 AM
A-Force. Is he still sponsored by Full Tilt?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 24, 2012, 06:17:52 AM
Price V Harrison Oct 13th. Price KO round 2 or 3 for me.

I'll lay you.  What price he knocks him out within a minute?

Would love that to happen and I did contemplate it, but Price is smart and i think with Harrison being southpaw he will just feel him out for the first then end him in the second.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 24, 2012, 08:01:34 AM
Also, Harrison is fairly adept at running away...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 26, 2012, 02:48:14 AM
I watched Benn Vs Eubank again on espn classic last night. What a fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on August 02, 2012, 08:32:12 AM
Two Evander Holyfield stories overnight.

NBC interviewed a random tourist outside Buckingham Palace about the Queen and didn't recognise that it was Holyfield. They soon knew once it had been broadcast:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/31/evander-holyfield-today-show_n_1724724.html


Also, apparently he is bust and everything is up for auction, including the Olympic medal:

(http://blogs.ajc.com/the-buzz/files/2012/08/484094_3854402111145_566398874_n-195x300.jpg)

Recently lost his house. Nice house:

(http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/09/26/79/slideshow_579269_holyfield1.jpg)



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on September 06, 2012, 12:37:40 PM
Now this is interesting! Imagine he can scrap a bit would get battered by anyone half decent. Plz be true. <3 Flintoff

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/andrewflintoff/9524601/Cricket-legend-Andrew-Flintoff-to-become-a-professional-heavyweight-boxer-with-debut-fight-in-November.html# (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/andrewflintoff/9524601/Cricket-legend-Andrew-Flintoff-to-become-a-professional-heavyweight-boxer-with-debut-fight-in-November.html#)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Micko on September 06, 2012, 12:58:15 PM
How did Holyfield lose everything? Surely he had enough money for ten lifetimes at a stage. Crazy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 06, 2012, 02:39:59 PM
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/slideshow_579269_holyfield1.jpg)

Holyfield's house (if you can't see it on MintTrav's post).


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 09, 2012, 01:10:51 AM
Dawson V Ward tonight

Anyone got any thoughts on this?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 09, 2012, 08:16:40 AM
Dawson V Ward tonight

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

I woke up just in time for this. Ward was awesome again.
Pound 4 Pound


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 09, 2012, 08:36:52 AM
Yeah different gravy wasn't he, first couple rounds were pretty even and then from 3 onwards it was one way traffic!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on September 09, 2012, 01:23:14 PM
Dawson V Ward tonight

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

I woke up just in time for this. Ward was awesome again.
Pound 4 Pound

Agree. Not a cock with it either. Never ducks a fight (unlike the official p4p king). How he's behind a Klitschko and PBF on boxrec's p4p list is beyond me. He's the best thing in boxing. Would loved to have seen him fight Calzaghe.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 11, 2012, 07:21:35 PM
Ricky Hatton to fight again? Sounds like a very bad idea imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 11, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
Ricky Hatton to fight again? Sounds like a very bad idea imo.

What's he doing, going to only lose a couple stone pre fight and get in with Audley?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on September 11, 2012, 07:36:44 PM
Ricky Hatton to fight again? Sounds like a very bad idea imo.

Really hope this doesn't happen, would be a terrible idea.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on September 11, 2012, 08:24:19 PM
Please no! I loved Hatton. Beat everyone with tenacious, British grit and only lost to two of the very greatest of all time.

Comes back and loses to an upstart would be so sad.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 11, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
Ricky Hatton to fight again? Sounds like a very bad idea imo.

Really hope this doesn't happen, would be a terrible idea.

+1
Would love for Calzaghe too come back and fight Ward or Froch tho...  ;kev;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 15, 2012, 11:34:27 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/19608995

Roach made Khan a much better fighter, but do think that Khan needs a trainer who will devote himself to looking after Khan - as without it he's not the boxer he should be. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on September 15, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
If reports are to be believed, Khan wouldn't follow Freddie's jab and move instructions. Despite being a more talented boxer, he gets done over by Kell Brook


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 15, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
Khan didn't box cleverly, that's for sure.  But also it looked like Roach was spending less and less time with him, and instead he had other trainers looking after him for a lot of the time.  This certainly didn't help Khan who looks like he's on of those fighters that needs to be held by the hand throughout his training in order to fight correctly.

There isn't a better trainer than Roach out there, but Khan wasn't necessarily getting all of Roach, so if he can find someone very good he might be better off than he was?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 16, 2012, 05:27:46 AM
What a finish in the Martinez v JCC Jnr fight. Martinez schools him for 11 rounds then gets tagged in the last round and goes down heavily before somehow hearing the final bell for a UD.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on September 25, 2012, 09:00:45 PM
Roy Jones Jr reportedly signs to fight Kimbo Slice in December.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 26, 2012, 12:02:46 AM
Roy Jones Jr reportedly signs to fight Kimbo Slice in December.

Not sure what to make of this, hope there just going to put on a show and get paid, anything else would just be stupid..
Although it could turnout like Rocky vs Hogan and get out of hand...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 26, 2012, 05:44:17 AM
Yeah it is confirmed for Montego Bay which is where I am living at the moment.  Looking forward to it as we don't get much excitement down here.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on September 26, 2012, 08:30:01 AM
Roy Jones Jr reportedly signs to fight Kimbo Slice in December.

Not sure what to make of this, hope there just going to put on a show and get paid, anything else would just be stupid..
Although it could turnout like Rocky vs Hogan and get out of hand...

Or Mayweather messing up and accidentally breaking Big Show's nose.

As bad as Jones has got, he'd still whip Kimbo too easily, so it must just be for show.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on September 26, 2012, 08:58:29 AM
Well, they've had to class it as an exhibition fight....


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Micko on September 26, 2012, 10:52:02 AM
Is Roy Jones broke  or what?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 26, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Is Roy Jones broke  or what?

Yep Busto


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on September 29, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
Mayweather's camp apologises to Pacquiao for the performance enhacing drugs accusations and they settle out of court. Please get this fight sorted now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on September 29, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
Mayweather's camp apologises to Pacquiao for the performance enhacing drugs accusations and they settle out of court. Please get this fight sorted now.

Surprising. I thought it was generally believed that he had used them.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: toddswain on October 08, 2012, 12:01:21 AM
Someone just posted this on fb, its old so im sorry if its been mentioned before, but just wow

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Jz0HNgoII


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 08, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/12039346/


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: toddswain on October 08, 2012, 12:13:29 AM
Wow, some people....



Also, that sucker punch was a charity match !


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 08, 2012, 12:21:28 AM
Sounds like a lovely bloke!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Amatay on October 10, 2012, 04:47:22 AM
oioi Khan and he bruv knocking the fk out of a bunch of carjackers lolz

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/khan-ko-carjackers-134107072.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 10, 2012, 05:46:49 AM
Must have been off their nuts on acid if 6 of them with tools couldn't sort out 2 of them and it's a shame he's not much kop at ironing people out in the ring anymore.....


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on October 11, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4579097/Amir-Khan-KOs-six-yobs-trying-to-steal-his-100000-car.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4579097/Amir-Khan-KOs-six-yobs-trying-to-steal-his-100000-car.html)

interesting..

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw2xNe1Lxtg

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exHaPhhy3zI


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 11, 2012, 02:33:55 PM
Nice blue anorak.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on October 12, 2012, 01:20:01 PM
Lol. Taking a risk posting those couple of videos. Left the casino with him and parked in the range rover next to him. Should not be too hard to trace.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on October 13, 2012, 10:25:28 PM
Didn't see that coming... Said it before and I'll say it again Price is an amazing fighter and he Is the only person who is realistically going to challenge a Klitschko.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 13, 2012, 10:32:25 PM
Was clinical, felt bad for Audley though... Not sure anyone would have been stood up after that lot and he was opened up from the shots too.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 13, 2012, 10:36:20 PM
Didn't see that coming... Said it before and I'll say it again Price is an amazing fighter and he Is the only person who is realistically going to challenge a Klitschko.

He needs to take a step up in class.....not fighting Matt Skelton.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 13, 2012, 10:39:24 PM
Mate of mine yesterday asked me about the fight and I told him i thought 1/8 was a great price and I would make {Price a 1/3 shot maximum against Tyson Fury.  Not seen anything tonight to challenge that view but if Fury ever deems to fight him Price will be the bet of the century if they make the odds what i think they will.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 13, 2012, 11:00:17 PM
Mate of mine yesterday asked me about the fight and I told him i thought 1/8 was a great price and I would make {Price a 1/3 shot maximum against Tyson Fury.  Not seen anything tonight to challenge that view but if Fury ever deems to fight him Price will be the bet of the century if they make the odds what i think they will.

Price KO opened at 4/7.  Insane price.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sovietsong on October 13, 2012, 11:46:37 PM
looking forward to seeing Eubank Jr fighting some higher quality opponents, he is naive at times but shows touches of class


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on October 14, 2012, 06:53:22 AM
Fury is utterly deluded. Calling out Price is suicide but saying you are the best heavyweight since Ali... Come on now get a grip kid.

Eubank Jr does show a lot of promise but really needs to work on defence. At the minute he seems to want to stand and bang and put on a show. His fights have been quite exciting though.

Bazza is that really what they are saying? What a farce. I used to work in Bedford and would often see Skelton and his crew out in town. Guy is fat, slow, sloppy and just a poor boxer. I had the displeasure of seeing his rematch va Danny Williams which was just one big hug fest.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 14, 2012, 09:54:29 AM
Fury is utterly deluded. Calling out Price is suicide but saying you are the best heavyweight since Ali... Come on now get a grip kid.

Eubank Jr does show a lot of promise but really needs to work on defence. At the minute he seems to want to stand and bang and put on a show. His fights have been quite exciting though.

Bazza is that really what they are saying? What a farce. I used to work in Bedford and would often see Skelton and his crew out in town. Guy is fat, slow, sloppy and just a poor boxer. I had the displeasure of seeing his rematch va Danny Williams which was just one big hug fest.

Fights Skelton on December 8th.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on October 14, 2012, 10:26:39 AM
Fury is utterly deluded. Calling out Price is suicide but saying you are the best heavyweight since Ali... Come on now get a grip kid.

Eubank Jr does show a lot of promise but really needs to work on defence. At the minute he seems to want to stand and bang and put on a show. His fights have been quite exciting though.

Bazza is that really what they are saying? What a farce. I used to work in Bedford and would often see Skelton and his crew out in town. Guy is fat, slow, sloppy and just a poor boxer. I had the displeasure of seeing his rematch va Danny Williams which was just one big hug fest.

Fights Skelton on December 8th.

Did not know that. Utter joke.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 14, 2012, 11:14:11 AM
Fury is utterly deluded. Calling out Price is suicide but saying you are the best heavyweight since Ali... Come on now get a grip kid.

Eubank Jr does show a lot of promise but really needs to work on defence. At the minute he seems to want to stand and bang and put on a show. His fights have been quite exciting though.

Bazza is that really what they are saying? What a farce. I used to work in Bedford and would often see Skelton and his crew out in town. Guy is fat, slow, sloppy and just a poor boxer. I had the displeasure of seeing his rematch va Danny Williams which was just one big hug fest.

Fights Skelton on December 8th.

Did not know that. Utter joke.

Can't begrudge Price an easy pay day though before he has tougher fights that will be round the corner.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on October 14, 2012, 12:51:17 PM
Harrison was impressive as usual. Think he still has one more shot at the bigtime left, don't forget that Olympic gold. C'mon Audley, we can do this!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 14, 2012, 12:53:51 PM
Harrison was impressive as usual. Think he still has one more shot at the bigtime left, don't forget that Olympic gold. C'mon Audley, we can do this!

Congrats to him for stealing a living this long, I presume he will get his red pro deal back next month


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 14, 2012, 12:57:33 PM
Typical harrison has tweeted that he 'thought he started well'.

I presume he is complementing how he climbed into the ring and put his gum shield in.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on October 14, 2012, 03:52:50 PM
This is fantastic.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVsUmcVWC6I


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on October 14, 2012, 04:03:36 PM
ROFL

'see your gay lover Tony Bellew I'll fight him in between rounds'


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on October 14, 2012, 11:28:18 PM
Typical harrison has tweeted that he 'thought he started well'.

I presume he is complementing how he climbed into the ring and put his gum shield in.

I wish people would leave Audley alone - he's never hurt anyone.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on October 15, 2012, 01:22:54 AM
Typical harrison has tweeted that he 'thought he started well'.

I presume he is complementing how he climbed into the ring and put his gum shield in.

I wish people would leave Audley alone - he's never hurt anyone.

I feel like I've just gone 12 rounds with Audley Harrison, I'm 100% couldn't feel any better.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 15, 2012, 08:06:47 AM
Typical harrison has tweeted that he 'thought he started well'.

I presume he is complementing how he climbed into the ring and put his gum shield in.

I wish people would leave Audley alone - he's never hurt anyone.

I feel like I've just gone 12 rounds fights with Audley Harrison, I'm 100% couldn't feel any better.

FYP. It amounts to the same thing, but people can't conceptualise a twelve round Harrison fight. Just can't see how that would happen.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on October 15, 2012, 09:44:35 AM
A relative in mine went up there with the Maloney camp, when I spoke to them a few weeks ago it sounded like Audley was doing then a huge favour, as they didn't want him meeting a big name yet and they were pretty much guaranteed a nice payday risk free in Liverpool. Everyone in boxing expected this :) I bet the odds for a first round knockout was very slim indeed


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 20, 2012, 01:15:58 PM
Brook vs Saldivia tonight anybody watching it, I really hope Kell wins and gets to fight Kahn at some point..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on October 20, 2012, 01:21:29 PM
Brook vs Saldivia tonight anybody watching it, I really hope Kell wins and gets to fight Kahn at some point..


Yeah I'll be hoping to catch this, any idea what time its starting at?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 20, 2012, 01:45:01 PM
Brook vs Saldivia tonight anybody watching it, I really hope Kell wins and gets to fight Kahn at some point..


Yeah I'll be hoping to catch this, any idea what time its starting at?

Boxing starts around 8:30 I think on sky sports, think Robin Reed vs Anderson is on before which is worth a watch...

Is Danny Garcia fighting tonight?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 20, 2012, 01:52:53 PM
Morales has failed a drugs test from what I hear so Garcia  fight is/was in doubt.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 20, 2012, 02:01:02 PM
Morales has failed a drugs test from what I hear so Garcia  fight is/was in doubt.

Shocking if true..

But not sure why these are fighting again. Pfft


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 20, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
Well done Robin but now time too hang em up...

Come on Kell Brook.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 20, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
This lad looks quite lively


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 20, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
Kell Brook far too good, wp.

Guess he's not a fan of Khan when he says he wants to take his chin clean off him ? haha.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 20, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
Awesome stuff... Forget Kahn an Hatton for time being, bring that world title home first.
Then Knock Kahn out...



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 21, 2012, 12:38:12 PM
That Kal Yafai on the undercard looked impressive.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 21, 2012, 12:54:15 PM
That Kal Yafai on the undercard looked impressive.

Yeh Deffo one to watch out for.

Danny Garcia won in 4th would like to see him fight Kahn again..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 21, 2012, 09:12:07 PM
That Kal Yafai on the undercard looked impressive.

Yeh Deffo one to watch out for.

Danny Garcia won in 4th would like to see him fight Kahn again..

For me, Garcia was made to look a lot better than he is by Khan's relentless opposition of a basic in-and-out strategy. I struggle to see Garcia holding a big belt for long, as there are plenty of fighters out there.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 15, 2012, 09:27:44 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20331799


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 15, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
Hatton was one of my all time faves to watch, and I must admit I am quite keen to watch the fight, and would love to see him fight Khan.

But this one will end in tears imo, maybe not this fight, but the comeback in general. Boxers simply do not know what to do with themselves when they retire, they spend so much of their time in the gym when they are fighting they have no idea what to do with all the spare time. I'm worried Ricky will get bashed up, retire again, and get even more depressed. It is such a shame because he was one of the brighter, wiser, more intelligent fighters around.

Still gonna watch it obvs and cheer him on, Blue Moon and all that. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 15, 2012, 10:35:49 AM
Thing is with Hatton, it had already ended in tears - even before the Pacquiao fight. He'd been suffering from depression, and his retirement seemed to send him even further downwards.

All fighters find excuses and reasons for their decline, and Hatton has mentioned Graham's hand problems contributing to his training being sub-par.  Not sure how much credence I give that (as it's something that could have been addressed at the time).

Love Hatton though, and would love to see him win a few fights against decent British fighters and then maybe see a good performance or two against top class opposition. Think that would also help him battle those demons.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 15, 2012, 10:38:41 AM
Thing is with Hatton, it had already ended in tears - even before the Pacquiao fight. He'd been suffering from depression, and his retirement seemed to send him even further downwards.

All fighters find excuses and reasons for their decline, and Hatton has mentioned Graham's hand problems contributing to his training being sub-par.  Not sure how much credence I give that (as it's something that could have been addressed at the time).

Love Hatton though, and would love to see him win a few fights against decent British fighters and then maybe see a good performance or two against top class opposition. Think that would also help him battle those demons.


Or just prolong them and make them worse?

I actually thought he would have made a good captain for question of sport in his retirement.

I bet his brother his chuffed, I haven't checked but I presume he is on the undercard.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: c4ught on November 15, 2012, 10:48:06 AM
The demons/depression he appears to of already dealt with before coming back. He was on Talksport yesterday saying his girlfriend was asking why bother coming back when your happy etc etc

Enjoyed this little piece http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/9666532/Manny-Pacquiao-defeat-still-haunts-Ricky-Hatton-who-feels-he-let-everyone-down.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/9666532/Manny-Pacquiao-defeat-still-haunts-Ricky-Hatton-who-feels-he-let-everyone-down.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 17, 2012, 09:45:18 AM
Froch Fight Tonight
Anybody watching it? Is it going to be easy as they say?
Big Froch fan so i'll deffo be watching it, some good undercards aswel fighting.
Might pick out a few rounds for a couple of quid just for fun.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on November 17, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
Am a bit more excited about Tony Bellew than Froch. Love Froch but I find him more exciting when he has tougher opponents who put him to the test. Bellew is nowhere near the fighter Froch is but just gets me going more.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 17, 2012, 11:15:21 AM
Hope Froch is as focused as he was last time out.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 17, 2012, 12:22:37 PM
Froch is up against a fighter who has fought at least three times for a belt so he's no mug but he lost all of them. If Froch keeps his head, he will win comfortably IMO.

Bute in the Spring awaits...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on November 17, 2012, 12:42:01 PM
Will be at the arena for the fight, few drinks before, few drinks after should be a good night.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 17, 2012, 01:37:43 PM
Will be at the arena for the fight, few drinks before, few drinks after should be a good night.

Awesome fella, keep asking myself why the fuck I haven't got tickets to this.
Enjoy ;envious;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 17, 2012, 01:40:27 PM
Am a bit more excited about Tony Bellew than Froch. Love Froch but I find him more exciting when he has tougher opponents who put him to the test. Bellew is nowhere near the fighter Froch is but just gets me going more.

Yeh he's a lively character, don't see him being a world beater tho tbh, got a nice test tonight I think.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 18, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
Battered him


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 18, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Battered him

Very much one-sided as many had predicted. A gulf in class really. Cracking body shots that finished him as well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 18, 2012, 12:22:17 AM

FYP


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 18, 2012, 10:19:39 AM
I hope they can skip the Bute rematch, that is a waste of time especially for a fighter Froch's age. Kessler then Ward would be a very good 2013.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Josedinho on November 18, 2012, 10:23:05 AM
This was a bit of a waste too wasn't it? Kessler fighting at a very similar time, they should have got it on.
I agree, Kessler then ward, if they want him to fight Bute or that Mandatory challenger then some TV company needs to pay him loads to give up the belt and let them fight for it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 18, 2012, 10:26:31 AM
I caught the start of the Bellew fight, but then got distracted by the Darts and ended up watching that instead. Bellew must have done pretty well because he got opened up very early on.

I guess Froch just bashed the other guy up from George's post(s) and not worth downloading to watch. Did they say who he was looking at next, or are they waiting for any fights to take place?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 18, 2012, 10:50:42 AM
Bellew looked like he was going to get rid of the Argentine pretty early, but once he was cut he moved to plan b and boxed without risking getting caught again. Executed it perfectly and not sure how one judge gave one round to the Argentine fighter!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 18, 2012, 11:45:25 AM
Froch vs Kessler at Notts plz.
And I'm Deffo going.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 18, 2012, 01:24:53 PM
Would love to go too. Never seen a boxing match live


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 18, 2012, 02:43:45 PM
Would love to go too. Never seen a boxing match live

Me neither beer, boxing and cash table after sounds like a date fella  ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 18, 2012, 02:51:23 PM
Don't pick a Khan fight...


Joking aside, it is quite an experience. Always encourage you to go early and watch the undercard.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 18, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
I would love to see Froch fight Kessler again in Nottingham.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 18, 2012, 05:15:45 PM


Would love to go too. Never seen a boxing match live

Me neither beer, boxing and cash table after sounds like a date fella  ;)

Sounds lovely like a date, count me in!

Can't beat the atmosphere at a good night of boxing. The card has to be good though, otherwise it can be a bit disappointing. Also worth paying a little bit extra for better seats.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 18, 2012, 06:45:04 PM
Always worth paying the extra for good seats in anything you want to watch IMO. Being able to hear the "ooh" from a boxer getting cracked in the ribs is quite an experience.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on November 19, 2012, 09:37:55 AM
Was sat with Bash watching the Froch fight whilst playing poker at Dtd. He told me his mates invited him to the Bute fight but he told em that he would only go if it was ringside. He told me that it was £900 a ticket and he was sat neat Amir Khan :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 24, 2012, 09:16:45 PM
lol, c'mon Hatton! Can't wait for this, think Ricky is gonna shine.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
lol, c'mon Hatton! Can't wait for this, think Ricky is gonna shine.

Really hope so.  Looked like he was in cracking shape in the weigh-in. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
lol, c'mon Hatton! Can't wait for this, think Ricky is gonna shine.

Must say I am excited, forgot how much I loved Hattton and since I found out his trainer is a full time painter and decorator I've started to think this is going to be a really heartwarming comeback


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 24, 2012, 09:19:46 PM
Link for fight?

I've been told to pile on Sevchencko but surely he's awful if a poor boxer like Malinaggi can beat him?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 09:21:02 PM
Link for fight?

I've been told to pile on Sevchencko but surely he's awful if a poor boxer like Malinaggi can beat him?

Agreed, George.

Don't see it happening myself. Is the recommend because Hatton has been over bet?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 09:22:11 PM
Link for fight?

I've been told to pile on Sevchencko but surely he's awful if a poor boxer like Malinaggi can beat him?

Not sure I'd say malignaggi is poor, not a big puncher but he is a good boxer.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 09:24:16 PM
Link for fight?

I've been told to pile on Sevchencko but surely he's awful if a poor boxer like Malinaggi can beat him?

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc.html

(don't download the software, just click on one of the links to the streams)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 09:26:26 PM
LOL, rain pouring in through the ceiling of a corridor near where the boxers' dressing rooms.  You'd have thought buildings in Manchester would be pretty much rain-proof!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on November 24, 2012, 09:44:01 PM
Link for fight?

I've been told to pile on Sevchencko but surely he's awful if a poor boxer like Malinaggi can beat him?

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc.html

(don't download the software, just click on one of the links to the streams)
just clicked this on my iPhone and first thing I get is something about shagging a different woman every night of the week. Sick rubs as I can only manage it once a week


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 24, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
Yeh clicked the link too and a webcam girls ad pops up.

Shelley "What you doing?"

:/


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 24, 2012, 09:47:08 PM
This one is solid

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/155249/1/watch-ricky-hatton-vs-vyacheslav-senchenko.html (http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/155249/1/watch-ricky-hatton-vs-vyacheslav-senchenko.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 24, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Yeh got one now lol (link to fight not a webcam girl)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on November 24, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
What time does the Hatton fight start?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 09:51:16 PM
What time does the Hatton fight start?

 10


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Showing at the Showcase Cinema opposite DTD apparently. Might wander over (read: as I now don't have a comp to play in)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
Can't remember being as nervous for a fighter before a fight for a long time.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 10:12:40 PM
Can't remember being as nervous for a fighter before a fight for a long time.

Ditto, gonna have goose pimples when blue moon plays.

A testament perhaps to what a great and well loved fighter hatton was


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 10:13:20 PM
Can't remember being as nervous for a fighter before a fight for a long time.

Ditto, gonna have goose pimples when blue moon plays.

A testament perhaps to what a great and well loved fighter hatton was

Also it will be proper hide the knives time if he loses


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Can't remember being as nervous for a fighter before a fight for a long time.

Ditto, gonna have goose pimples when blue moon plays.

A testament perhaps to what a great and well loved fighter hatton is

;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 10:20:05 PM
Absolutely love the guy to bits. Hard to think of a sportsman I want more to do well.

The Tsu fight was incredible viewing.

Part of me wants him to fight like he used to: the Manchester Mexican. But I know he has to be more savvy now and fight like a boxer.

Hatton in 8.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 10:28:22 PM
Hatton looks either very nervous or very focused


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:29:02 PM
Hatton looks either very nervous or very focused

Both I think.  He's been on a bit of journey to get here.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:31:34 PM
Here we go....


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 10:35:13 PM
Christ, he's lost 70lbs in 10 months


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
If Hatton catches him he'll flatten him the way this has started.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 10:39:05 PM
Needs to get the jab landing more effectively.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:39:08 PM
One round each so far.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:40:49 PM
Hatton a bit to easy to hit, and expected more rolling and moving on the angles.  Looks like a fighter who hasn't had a fight for over 3 years.

But throwing some good shots.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:42:59 PM
2-1 to Hatton for me.  Still a bit too easy to hit.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:43:22 PM
Christ, he's lost 70lbs in 10 months


Herbalife ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 10:44:02 PM
Think he might need another fight before a world title at this rate


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:45:57 PM
Think he might need another fight before a world title at this rate

Agreed.  Not throwing enough combinations, and seems like he's trying to hurt him with one shot too much.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 10:46:21 PM
I have him at 2-1 down here.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
Think Malignagi would love to fight him again right now


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:47:56 PM
Was going to give that round to Senchenko, but Hatton finished it well.

No idea how that round will be scored.   I'll go for 2-2.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
2-2.

If he throws a straight jab, he can break him down and follow it up with combos. He's hurting the guy but it is anyone's game.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:51:05 PM
3-2 Senchenko.

Still getting hit too much.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
I have that even.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:53:29 PM
Looking worrying for Hatton to me.  Not offering anything in terms of combinations, and getting tagged all too easily.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:55:24 PM
4-2 Senchenko. 

Hatton looking very tired and maybe it's going to be too much for him - unless he's fighting in spurts and saving his energy?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 10:55:36 PM
Big round for senchenko, hatton looks like he is running out of ideas


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on November 24, 2012, 10:55:51 PM
He looks a shadow of his former self, reckon he should seriously consider retirement.

The old Hatton would have put this guy away inside three rounds.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 10:57:30 PM
Agreed.

May be 3-3 but wouldn't like it left to the judges.

We have blood in the same area Maglianaggi caught him come on Ricky


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 10:59:52 PM
His punches are lacking the snap they need, and just as worrying is that he definitely doesn't have the strength when in close to dominate and bully his opponent.  Senchenko is finding it easy to push him off when Hatton tries to lean on him and pin him to the ropes.

Still have it 2 rounds to Senchenko.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:01:34 PM
Think it's a good job it's not a 12-rounder.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:03:10 PM
3 rounds to Shenchenko for me.  Which for me, means he needs snookers.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 11:03:44 PM
This is done unless he has a big round now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 11:04:05 PM
2 rounds to senchenko for me, but wouldn't bet on the judges seeing it that way


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
Shame.

Was winning that round for me as well.  That was hard to watch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 11:07:45 PM
Oh god, how sad, gutted


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 24, 2012, 11:07:51 PM
Disaster, really gutted for him :(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Simon Galloway on November 24, 2012, 11:07:59 PM
Lordy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 24, 2012, 11:08:17 PM
I wonder who he will blame for this loss.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 24, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
Ouch- should have lumped on!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
What a shame.

I really hope he's OK. He went for it like an absolute trooper and knew he was taking the risk.

Too tough an opponent for the return.

Again. I really hope he's OK.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 11:09:20 PM
Was really hoping he would make the last bell, win by split decision, and retire


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: tikay on November 24, 2012, 11:09:43 PM
How did it end, please?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 11:10:31 PM
How did it end, please?

Ricky knocked out by a body shot in round 9


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 24, 2012, 11:10:46 PM
Hatton knocked out in the 9th. Body shot he couldn't recover from


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
I fear for his mental state after this.

On another note, would love to have seen how the judges had it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 24, 2012, 11:12:01 PM
Hope this doesn't mess him up too much mentally.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:12:06 PM
Got to call it a day now, and hope he's managed to get rid of his demons.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:13:00 PM
I fear for his mental state after this.

On another note, would love to have seen how the judges had it.

Yeah, like I said I had Hatton ahead in the 9th until that punch.  So reckon it would have been Senchenko 2 rounds ahead going into the last. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
On another note, anyone watching the Freddie Flintoff thing?  Great viewing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 24, 2012, 11:15:17 PM
Sad to see but somewhat inevitable.  Ricky never looked at the races but if it has helped him get his life back on track then it did its job.  Sadly I have my doubts.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on November 24, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
He looks fked.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: tikay on November 24, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
On another note, anyone watching the Freddie Flintoff thing?  Great viewing.

Nah, watching Robbie in Concert at O2. Top stuff.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:16:51 PM
Sad to see but somewhat inevitable.  Ricky never looked at the races but if it has helped him get his life back on track then it did its job.  Sadly I have my doubts.

The way he's talking, it doesn't sound like he feels it was his last fight.  Hopefully, the cool light of day will make him see sense.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:17:25 PM
On another note, anyone watching the Freddie Flintoff thing?  Great viewing.

Nah, watching Robbie in Concert at O2. Top stuff.

It's not on tonight - it's on Thursdays on Sky 1.  Worth catching the first episode from last week.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 11:17:56 PM
Paul Dempsey is coming across a bit of a condescending twat


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 24, 2012, 11:18:27 PM
This interview is tough to watch


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 24, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
Sad to see but somewhat inevitable.  Ricky never looked at the races but if it has helped him get his life back on track then it did its job.  Sadly I have my doubts.

More harm than good I reckon.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 24, 2012, 11:19:50 PM
This interview is tough to watch

Very


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 24, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
Malignagi still seems keen to get back in the ring with Hatton


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:22:01 PM
Malignagi still seems keen to get back in the ring with Hatton

On that showing, it'd be an easy fight for him and a nice pay-day!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 24, 2012, 11:22:15 PM
anyone know how long he has been out..

Team shouldn't have let him take on such a fight after so long out. Even though he was winning on points it was a stupid decision to set this up imo. Has to have a warm up bout. Too much heart and not enough brain. Love the guy though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: tikay on November 24, 2012, 11:22:49 PM
On another note, anyone watching the Freddie Flintoff thing?  Great viewing.

Nah, watching Robbie in Concert at O2. Top stuff.

It's not on tonight - it's on Thursdays on Sky 1.  Worth catching the first episode from last week.

It was on tonight, live, for 2 hours, just ended.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: action man on November 24, 2012, 11:23:56 PM
appalling that interview went on that long


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
On another note, anyone watching the Freddie Flintoff thing?  Great viewing.

Nah, watching Robbie in Concert at O2. Top stuff.

It's not on tonight - it's on Thursdays on Sky 1.  Worth catching the first episode from last week.

It was on tonight, live, for 2 hours, just ended.

Ah, didn't realise. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 24, 2012, 11:33:00 PM
appalling that interview went on that long

Should have just let him go once he saw the state he was in....


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 25, 2012, 01:01:22 AM
wow gg hitman. Just walking onto shots throughout and bigger puncher would have ko'd him earlier. Missing by miles with random haymakers and no work inside. That said even thou he's gutted he looks much better than the fat space hopper of a few months ago so wp, good effort imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 25, 2012, 01:15:30 AM
Hatton announces retirement. Thank God


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 25, 2012, 01:21:22 AM
Hatton announces retirement. Thank God

Yes, sounds like he might have exorcised his demons as well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20483237


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 25, 2012, 01:31:40 AM
Definitely good news and no doubt reassuring for everyone that he seems to have come to terms with it straight away.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 25, 2012, 02:17:22 AM
On a slightly different note I was forced to listen to it on radio whilst watching a very choppy stream and matthew macklin was one of the pundits.  Very impressive pundit, knowledgeable, unbiased and very intelligent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on November 25, 2012, 11:47:50 AM
Link for fight?

I've been told to pile on Sevchencko but surely he's awful if a poor boxer like Malinaggi can beat him?

Not sure I'd say malignaggi is poor, not a big puncher but he is a good boxer.

Agree with that. He didn't do well against Hatton and Khan but, apart from that, he has had a cracking career. The highlight was possibly his loss against Cotto, the greatest boxer at these weights other than Mayweather, when he was badly injured in the first by an accidental butt, but still fought a tremendous fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 25, 2012, 12:01:15 PM
You didn't just put Cotto above Manny did you? Even at 147 I'd take Manny.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 25, 2012, 02:04:21 PM
Hatton announces retirement. Thank God

Yes, sounds like he might have exorcised his demons as well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20483237


Odds on him sticking to it? He'll be in the ring vs Kahn or Brook soon enough.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 25, 2012, 02:10:37 PM
Christ, he's lost 70lbs in 10 months


Wow. This was the only pre fight stat that should have mattered. If I was in the other guys corner I would have told him to not even bother going for Hatton's head.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 07:44:10 PM
If anyone wants the stream for the Price and Flintoff fights tonight this is working: http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/156243/2/watch-david-price-vs-matt-skelton.html

You just have to close the pop-up ads in the right order and carefully click - otherwise you get faced with a fair few pop-ups :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 30, 2012, 07:46:15 PM
What time does it start?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Says the channel is encrypted from 8:30.  So...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 30, 2012, 07:48:12 PM
Gawtcha


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
Actually:

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/156243/2/watch-david-price-vs-matt-skelton.html

Quote
What time does the fight start?

The bout is set to follow the British and Commonwealth heavyweight title clash between David Price and Matt Skelton in Liverpool.  The Price v Skelton fight is set to start at 9:30pm, with Flintoff's debut set to start following the conclusion of that bout at Aintree.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 08:00:20 PM
So, about 9:35 ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on November 30, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
What legit channel is it on?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
What legit channel is it on?

http://www.boxnation.com/

Ch 437 on Sky.  If you haven't subscribed, you have to do so by 8:30 apparently.  £10 a month, plus a £10 one-off fee.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 30, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
Im not generally a fan of ppv or all these new pay channels but imo if you are a boxing fan Boxnation is well worth it.  Get a ton of fights and cover them well and, all told, not that expensive.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 30, 2012, 08:25:03 PM
Says the channel is encrypted from 8:30.  So...
^^^
What's this mean?

ATM got a flashing box in middle of screen saying Ya system doesn't support this video file.. Sigh


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
Says the channel is encrypted from 8:30.  So...
^^^
What's this mean?

ATM got a flashing box in middle of screen saying Ya system doesn't support this video file.. Sigh

The channel on Sky is encrypted from 8:30 - until then it's available to view on Sky.

The box flashing is an ad.  You should be able to close it, assuming you're on a PC?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 30, 2012, 08:34:53 PM
Says the channel is encrypted from 8:30.  So...
^^^
What's this mean?

ATM got a flashing box in middle of screen saying Ya system doesn't support this video file.. Sigh

The channel on Sky is encrypted from 8:30 - until then it's available to view on Sky.

The box flashing is an ad.  You should be able to close it, assuming you're on a PC?

On lap top mate, not let me click it..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
Says the channel is encrypted from 8:30.  So...
^^^
What's this mean?

ATM got a flashing box in middle of screen saying Ya system doesn't support this video file.. Sigh

The channel on Sky is encrypted from 8:30 - until then it's available to view on Sky.

The box flashing is an ad.  You should be able to close it, assuming you're on a PC?

On lap top mate, not let me click it..

A windows laptop, using Firefox, IE or Chrome as your browser?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 30, 2012, 08:41:29 PM
Says the channel is encrypted from 8:30.  So...
^^^
What's this mean?

ATM got a flashing box in middle of screen saying Ya system doesn't support this video file.. Sigh

The channel on Sky is encrypted from 8:30 - until then it's available to view on Sky.

The box flashing is an ad.  You should be able to close it, assuming you're on a PC?

On lap top mate, not let me click it..

A windows laptop, using Firefox, IE or Chrome as your browser?

Think windows but tbh I'm as bad as Herbie with these things. Lol
Fackin hate box nation not sure I could even subscribe even if I wanted as I'm on Virgin.. Although too late now as its after 8:30. Fml


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 30, 2012, 08:44:36 PM
MATE
 ;karabiner;

Found the little x in corner and now I can see full screen, let's hope it lasts..
Thanks Fella  ;kev;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: exstream on November 30, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
i know you said 9.35
is that for flintoff or price or what


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: exstream on November 30, 2012, 08:57:24 PM
why the fck is it always so difficult to find out when individual fights start!
this happens to me every ppv


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 30, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
i know you said 9.35
is that for flintoff or price or what

Who cares its still on that's the main thing, watch it switch off when Flintoff comes on.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on November 30, 2012, 08:59:09 PM
Because they don't want you pitching up for the main event and then buzzing off.  :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 30, 2012, 09:07:37 PM
why the fck is it always so difficult to find out when individual fights start!
this happens to me every ppv

1st round ko or 12th round decison ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 09:08:22 PM
i know you said 9.35
is that for flintoff or price or what

Actually:

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/156243/2/watch-david-price-vs-matt-skelton.html

Quote
What time does the fight start?

The bout is set to follow the British and Commonwealth heavyweight title clash between David Price and Matt Skelton in Liverpool.  The Price v Skelton fight is set to start at 9:30pm, with Flintoff's debut set to start following the conclusion of that bout at Aintree.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 30, 2012, 09:09:20 PM
why the fck is it always so difficult to find out when individual fights start!
this happens to me every ppv

1st round ko or 12th round decison ?

6th round


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 30, 2012, 09:19:48 PM
why the fck is it always so difficult to find out when individual fights start!
this happens to me every ppv

Because fights don't take a set amount of time.  A fight before could be done in 3 mintes or take 45 minutes.  They set rough times but it is difficult to keep to them 100%


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 30, 2012, 09:25:38 PM
exstream just hooked his pc off the desk :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 30, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
My other link went down, but this one is very good http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html (http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on November 30, 2012, 09:51:46 PM
price in 2nd pls.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 30, 2012, 09:59:17 PM
price in 2nd pls.

Easy game


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 30, 2012, 09:59:55 PM
price in 2nd pls.

Nice.

Price awesome again, can't wait for Fury...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 30, 2012, 10:00:18 PM
Tooo easy. Bring on Klitschko!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: action man on November 30, 2012, 10:14:43 PM
my stream went down, anyone got an alternative plz


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 30, 2012, 10:16:13 PM
Still working for me: http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html (http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 30, 2012, 10:17:12 PM
http://www.vipboxsports.eu/boxing/90591/3/freddie-flintoff-vs-richard-dawson-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipboxsports.eu/boxing/90591/3/freddie-flintoff-vs-richard-dawson-live-stream-online.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: action man on November 30, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
tyty


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
price in 2nd pls.

Nice.

Price awesome again, can't wait for Fury...

Good call.  Price looking very tasty at British level.  Will be interesting to see how he progresses.  Certainly as the hands.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 30, 2012, 10:24:46 PM
Haye vs price ever likely to happen?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 30, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
Haye vs price ever likely to happen?

Doesn't suit either of them IMO.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: exstream on November 30, 2012, 10:39:35 PM
Who the hell are these fighting


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 30, 2012, 11:03:53 PM
Love the guy but eurgh.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: exstream on November 30, 2012, 11:14:23 PM
After fight, flintoff 1.3 on betfair!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 30, 2012, 11:18:45 PM
Kebab shop showdown, fairplay to him getting in there :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Nico29 on November 30, 2012, 11:19:03 PM
oi oi oi fred!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 30, 2012, 11:23:36 PM
That was fun! 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on November 30, 2012, 11:25:43 PM
He certainly got stuck in  :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on December 01, 2012, 12:02:21 AM
Audley could be eyeing Freddie up for one last shot.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on December 01, 2012, 12:13:08 AM
Audley could be eyeing Freddie up for one last shot.

Absolutely brilliant.

 ;tightend;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on December 01, 2012, 12:18:27 AM
Rigged


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 01, 2012, 06:05:08 AM
Did I hear them announce the scores correctly at the end? Sounded like 39-38, but surely it was 38-37?



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on December 01, 2012, 10:04:44 AM
Did I hear them announce the scores correctly at the end? Sounded like 39-38, but surely it was 38-37?



If no one wins a round, it is scored 10-10, so if the scores were

10-10
10-9
10-9
9-10

That would work.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on December 01, 2012, 10:13:24 AM
10 - 9
8  - 10
10 - 9
10 - 9

IMO. Freddie won every round except the knockdown. Wtf was that right hand Freddie was throwing. Very bad technique and you can just imagine his mates laughing at that punch in the school play ground. Hope he knocks it on the head because he clearly can't box and is gonna get proper hurt.

Love the guy but that's enough now Freddie.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 01, 2012, 11:52:48 AM
I enjoyed it and think he should carry on fighting. His first ever bout is some poxy 4x2 affair and it's a packed arena, incredible atmosphere, broadcast on PPV. I find that amazing. The commercial possibilities of this look exciting, I mean has any other pro boxer in history had such an attendance on their debut? What's more he ranked it as his best sporting achievement and clearly loves doing it, looks fit and healthy. Yeah that right hand was amazing but if he gets a good handbag to drape on his left arm when he throws it then it will look ok. Jason u saw the last Rocky film right? Freddy got stuff in the tank so the man gotta fight on.

Price vs Fury is the one surely.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 01, 2012, 09:13:39 PM
Did I hear them announce the scores correctly at the end? Sounded like 39-38, but surely it was 38-37?



If no one wins a round, it is scored 10-10, so if the scores were

10-10
10-9
10-9
9-10

That would work.

My scoring was the same as Herbie's. The second round had to be 10-8 to the other guy because of the knockdown.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on December 01, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Did I hear them announce the scores correctly at the end? Sounded like 39-38, but surely it was 38-37?



If no one wins a round, it is scored 10-10, so if the scores were

10-10
10-9
10-9
9-10

That would work.

My scoring was the same as Herbie's. The second round had to be 10-8 to the other guy because of the knockdown.

I completely agree. I thought you were asking how it could be scored that way and evidently misunderstood what you meant :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 01, 2012, 10:19:30 PM
Fury vs Kevin Johnson on now, just started 2nd round

http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html (http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on December 01, 2012, 10:36:22 PM
Why are the commentators being so complementary of Johnson? His nickname should be punchbag


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 01, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Big him up, so it looks like Fury has beaten a strong opponent?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 01, 2012, 11:55:36 PM
Did I hear them announce the scores correctly at the end? Sounded like 39-38, but surely it was 38-37?



If no one wins a round, it is scored 10-10, so if the scores were

10-10
10-9
10-9
9-10

That would work.

My scoring was the same as Herbie's. The second round had to be 10-8 to the other guy because of the knockdown.

I completely agree. I thought you were asking how it could be scored that way and evidently misunderstood what you meant :)

:)up

When the MC read out the score of 38 for his opponent first, I thought Freddie had lost.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: vegaslover on December 02, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
5 commentators wet themseves over Fury every time. He spent most of the fight leaning on the guy and throwing elbows.
Price would take him apart, Klitschkos could pick any round they wanted to finish him


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 02, 2012, 07:03:31 PM
5 commentators wet themseves over Fury every time. He spent most of the fight leaning on the guy and throwing elbows.
Price would take him apart, Klitschkos could pick any round they wanted to finish him

I think Price would give him a lesson as well. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on December 03, 2012, 08:48:54 AM
5 commentators wet themseves over Fury every time. He spent most of the fight leaning on the guy and throwing elbows.
Price would take him apart, Klitschkos could pick any round they wanted to finish him

I think Price would give him a lesson as well. 

I think I would give Fury a lesson. Price would tear him apart.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 03, 2012, 01:52:52 PM
5 commentators wet themseves over Fury every time. He spent most of the fight leaning on the guy and throwing elbows.
Price would take him apart, Klitschkos could pick any round they wanted to finish him

I think Price would give him a lesson as well. 

I think I would give Fury a lesson. Price would tear him apart.

talking of lessons have u given girgy a 100 m sprint lesson yet?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on December 03, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
5 commentators wet themseves over Fury every time. He spent most of the fight leaning on the guy and throwing elbows.
Price would take him apart, Klitschkos could pick any round they wanted to finish him

I think Price would give him a lesson as well. 

I think I would give Fury a lesson. Price would tear him apart.

talking of lessons have u given girgy a 100 m sprint lesson yet?
He bottled it in Bham and DTD.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on December 04, 2012, 08:19:48 AM
Flintoff has made the World Heavyweight rankings on Boxrec:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/03/article-2242221-1653A4CA000005DC-387_468x286.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on December 04, 2012, 08:36:15 AM
Huge fight against Gary Johnson in the offing then?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 04, 2012, 09:55:29 AM
Huge fight against Gary Johnson in the offing then?

Sergio Artel might be a better choice?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on December 08, 2012, 02:42:01 PM
Pacquiao-Marquez tonight. Again.

Gotta fancy Marquez to win it this time.

The betting is for Pacquiao, so there's an opportunity for someone to post for Marquez on the betting thread, if it hasn't already been done.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on December 08, 2012, 02:45:03 PM
Pacquiao-Marquez tonight. Again.

Gotta fancy Marquez to win it this time.

The betting is for Pacquiao, so there's an opportunity for someone to post for Marquez on the betting thread, if it hasn't already been done.



Agreed. In a close-ish match he might swing it on points even is Manny is better, because he was kinda robbed in the previous bouts, imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on December 08, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
JMM will beat him for the 4th time. Whether he gets the decision is another matter.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on December 08, 2012, 03:44:34 PM
Manny for me. Closer than ever before but - and I suspect Bazza is right - judges likely to favour Manny


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on December 08, 2012, 06:59:22 PM
Chris Eubank Jr fought last Saturday, fights again tonight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: chelseaboy on December 08, 2012, 07:16:13 PM
I genuinely think this fight will be a draw... I think that Marquez won the last fight but again I think no matter what he does tonight the best he can come out with is a draw..

They wont give him the decision with the Pacman v Mayweather fight riding on this result!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on December 08, 2012, 07:51:03 PM
When will it start ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on December 08, 2012, 09:22:08 PM
When will it start ?
Probably about 4:30am


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on December 09, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
link?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on December 09, 2012, 04:11:12 AM
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=182577&part=sports


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 09, 2012, 05:10:34 AM
That was a really good fight, proper no holds barred brawling :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on December 09, 2012, 05:13:33 AM
Bit of a shaky anthem there......


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on December 09, 2012, 05:54:23 AM
WOW! What a fight this is, tremendous so far.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on December 09, 2012, 05:55:14 AM
WOW! What a fight this is, tremendous so far.

Yup, can't see this going the distance.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on December 09, 2012, 05:58:57 AM
Wow, hope he's okay. Incredible fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: exstream on December 09, 2012, 05:59:14 AM
great fight
retirement now


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on December 09, 2012, 06:00:02 AM
Wow...just wow. What a punch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on December 09, 2012, 06:02:18 AM
Holy shit, what a fight.Thought Marquez was the one getting knocked out, Manny looked back to his best in parts.

Best fight I ever watched despite the result.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on December 09, 2012, 06:06:43 AM
Holy shit, what a fight.Thought Marquez was the one getting knocked out, Manny looked back to his best in parts.

Best fight I ever watched despite the result.

Rounds 3-6 were incred.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on December 09, 2012, 06:08:30 AM
Holy shit, what a fight.Thought Marquez was the one getting knocked out, Manny looked back to his best in parts.

Best fight I ever watched despite the result.

If you take out the 1st couple of rounds, it was like Hagler vs Hearns.
Glad I decided to stay up for that!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on December 09, 2012, 08:17:22 AM
Didn't watch it. Plan to watch it later. Ortiz v Berto is my favorite fight of last decade. How does it compare?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: fatcatstu on December 09, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Wow!!! What a war!

People are saying this makes the Mayweather fight less likely to happen, i disagree, we all now that Floyyd likes to fight people who are past their best or slipping a bit, I think this will probably have secured it on Mayweathers side (for what its worth, I think he could have beaten any Manny, but then Im a total Mayweather fanboy!)

Absolutely brutal punch to finish it though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on December 09, 2012, 12:47:08 PM
Wow!!! What a war!

People are saying this makes the Mayweather fight less likely to happen, i disagree, we all now that Floyyd likes to fight people who are past their best or slipping a bit, I think this will probably have secured it on Mayweathers side (for what its worth, I think he could have beaten any Manny, but then Im a total Mayweather fanboy!)

Absolutely brutal punch to finish it though.

Good post. Unfortunately I cannot see this being he close fight it was 3 years ago. Floyd the ducker strikes again!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 09, 2012, 01:09:13 PM
Was out last night, so missed the boxing - sounds like it wasn't the fight to miss either :(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sweet potata! on December 09, 2012, 02:09:40 PM
Was this fight on Sky? Anyone know it there is a re run being shown today?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Yian on December 09, 2012, 04:49:25 PM
I stayed up to watch it. Well worth watching those few round, the knockout punch was vicious, I dunno how manny gives an interview after getting dropped so hard only minutes before.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on December 14, 2012, 12:06:19 PM
Anyone been railing Tyson Fury on twitter? Guy has lost it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on December 14, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Anyone been railing Tyson Fury on twitter? Guy has lost it.

No what's the dik been saying now?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on December 14, 2012, 12:11:45 PM
Anyone been railing Tyson Fury on twitter? Guy has lost it.

No what's the dik been saying now?

Slagging Price and all scousers off. Biting and retaliating to whatever anyone tweets him. Telling people he will rip their hearts out, abusing people's mums and dropping the C bomb about 10million times.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on December 14, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
Anyone been railing Tyson Fury on twitter? Guy has lost it.

No what's the dik been saying now?

Slagging Price and all scousers off. Biting and retaliating to whatever anyone tweets him. Telling people he will rip their hearts out, abusing people's mums and dropping the C bomb about 10million times.



Sigh... The guys got no class at all, let's keep this thread for the big boys in boxing..
Kahn vs Molina?
Groves vs Johnson?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on December 14, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
His twitter stream is like a challenge to grammar, spelling, and void of any reasoned comment or debate.

Racism, abuse, playground threats and jeers.

#unsubscribe


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on December 14, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
His twitter stream is like a challenge to grammar, spelling, and void of any reasoned comment or debate.

On the internet? You're kidding.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on February 04, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
Got Froch Kessler tickets today - anyone else going? Abs pumped for it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 04, 2013, 09:07:06 PM
Got Froch Kessler tickets today - anyone else going? Abs pumped for it.

I'm going. Can't wait for it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on February 04, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Got Froch Kessler tickets today - anyone else going? Abs pumped for it.

I'm going. Can't wait for it.

Enjoy man - gonna be one hell of an atmosphere. Prediction?

Obv points but who? I fancy the Cobra earlier on, Kessler later.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 05, 2013, 11:02:08 AM
Got Froch Kessler tickets today - anyone else going? Abs pumped for it.

I'm going. Can't wait for it.

Enjoy man - gonna be one hell of an atmosphere. Prediction?

Obv points but who? I fancy the Cobra earlier on, Kessler later.

If its half as good as the first fight it will be a great night. I'd favour Froch with home advantage and the fact he has been the more impressive since their first fight. If the Froch that turned up against Bute turns up he wins imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 05, 2013, 11:46:09 AM
Agree that if Froch is up for it and focused then he should/could win.  Will be a great fight whatever, and the atmosphere should be excellent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on February 05, 2013, 01:43:11 PM
Really want to go and watch this, does anybody know best way to get tickets?
The O2 Arena says sold out already. Fml


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on February 06, 2013, 08:29:08 AM
I got tickets for this weeeeeeee....

Got them inside 6 mins of being on sale, was brutal that wait!

Can't wait.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on February 06, 2013, 01:05:29 PM
From £40 too £180 too sit in the rafters with the pigeons... Sigh :(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 06, 2013, 08:27:09 PM
Sonny Bill Williams v Botha

If this fight is not bent then 6/5 Botha is an great bet.  Before their fight got postponed Sportingbet were the only firm to price it up, they tend not to get much right but I didn't think they were far off with Botha 4/11 and Botha KO  4/5.  Now a few have priced it up and all got SBW as the favourite (they have probably just copied each other), sadly there is no MOV market as yet.  Having seen footage of SBW he looks exactly what he is, a part-time novice.  He is obviously in great shape with decent power but technically he is very raw and a decent fighter would have a field day with him.  Now Botha is old and fat and lost his last 3 but he has fought for the world title multiple times so he knows his way around a boxing ring.  If he has anything left at all this is an easy nights work for him. 

After all that he will probably take a dive and leave me feeling pretty stupid.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on February 06, 2013, 08:29:35 PM
Sonny Bill Williams v Botha

If this fight is not bent then 6/5 Botha is an great bet.  Before their fight got postponed Sportingbet were the only firm to price it up, they tend not to get much right but I didn't think they were far off with Botha 4/11 and Botha KO  4/5.  Now a few have priced it up and all got SBW as the favourite (they have probably just copied each other), sadly there is no MOV market as yet.  Having seen footage of SBW he looks exactly what he is, a part-time novice.  He is obviously in great shape with decent power but technically he is very raw and a decent fighter would have a field day with him.  Now Botha is old and fat and lost his last 3 but he has fought for the world title multiple times so he knows his way around a boxing ring.  If he has anything left at all this is an easy nights work for him. 

After all that he will probably take a dive and leave me feeling pretty stupid.


Completely agree with all of that. Smells though, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 06, 2013, 08:29:54 PM
Sonny Bill Williams is an incredible athlete and a great rugby player.  But you're right - he's not a boxer.  Botha should have more than enough to stop him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 06, 2013, 08:36:24 PM
Sonny Bill Williams v Botha

If this fight is not bent then 6/5 Botha is an great bet.  Before their fight got postponed Sportingbet were the only firm to price it up, they tend not to get much right but I didn't think they were far off with Botha 4/11 and Botha KO  4/5.  Now a few have priced it up and all got SBW as the favourite (they have probably just copied each other), sadly there is no MOV market as yet.  Having seen footage of SBW he looks exactly what he is, a part-time novice.  He is obviously in great shape with decent power but technically he is very raw and a decent fighter would have a field day with him.  Now Botha is old and fat and lost his last 3 but he has fought for the world title multiple times so he knows his way around a boxing ring.  If he has anything left at all this is an easy nights work for him. 

After all that he will probably take a dive and leave me feeling pretty stupid.


Completely agree with all of that. Smells though, doesn't it?

Yeah it is a bit wiffy.  Weigh in tomorrow should give us an indication as to what shape Botha is in, something around the 250lb mark would indicate he is in decentish shape (for him).


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on February 06, 2013, 08:37:55 PM
Sonny Bill Williams v Botha

If this fight is not bent then 6/5 Botha is an great bet.  Before their fight got postponed Sportingbet were the only firm to price it up, they tend not to get much right but I didn't think they were far off with Botha 4/11 and Botha KO  4/5.  Now a few have priced it up and all got SBW as the favourite (they have probably just copied each other), sadly there is no MOV market as yet.  Having seen footage of SBW he looks exactly what he is, a part-time novice.  He is obviously in great shape with decent power but technically he is very raw and a decent fighter would have a field day with him.  Now Botha is old and fat and lost his last 3 but he has fought for the world title multiple times so he knows his way around a boxing ring.  If he has anything left at all this is an easy nights work for him. 

After all that he will probably take a dive and leave me feeling pretty stupid.


Completely agree with all of that. Smells though, doesn't it?

Yeah it is a bit wiffy.  Weigh in tomorrow should give us an indication as to what shape Botha is in, something around the 250lb mark would indicate he is in decentish shape (for him).

I'll take the over :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 07, 2013, 07:03:01 AM
Sonny Bill Williams v Botha

If this fight is not bent then 6/5 Botha is an great bet.  Before their fight got postponed Sportingbet were the only firm to price it up, they tend not to get much right but I didn't think they were far off with Botha 4/11 and Botha KO  4/5.  Now a few have priced it up and all got SBW as the favourite (they have probably just copied each other), sadly there is no MOV market as yet.  Having seen footage of SBW he looks exactly what he is, a part-time novice.  He is obviously in great shape with decent power but technically he is very raw and a decent fighter would have a field day with him.  Now Botha is old and fat and lost his last 3 but he has fought for the world title multiple times so he knows his way around a boxing ring.  If he has anything left at all this is an easy nights work for him. 

After all that he will probably take a dive and leave me feeling pretty stupid.


Completely agree with all of that. Smells though, doesn't it?

Yeah it is a bit wiffy.  Weigh in tomorrow should give us an indication as to what shape Botha is in, something around the 250lb mark would indicate he is in decentish shape (for him).

I'll take the over :)

254lbs. 21lbs lower than his last fight. Suggests he has taken it seriously.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on February 07, 2013, 07:09:16 AM
Blimey.

Price looks even more odd now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kpnuts on February 07, 2013, 12:09:14 PM
Botha by KO, TKO or disqual 2/1 @ Three Six 5. Whatcha think, Bazza?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 07, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
Botha by KO, TKO or disqual 2/1 @ Three Six 5. Whatcha think, Bazza?

I like.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kpnuts on February 07, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Botha by KO, TKO or disqual 2/1 @ Three Six 5. Whatcha think, Bazza?

I like.

you has pm


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: BulldozerD on February 08, 2013, 04:05:39 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/live-coverage-of-the-sonny-bill-williams-francois-botha-boxing-match/story-fndeeomn-1226573817667


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Micko on February 08, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
Anyone any thoughts on the Frampton fight? He looks very short at 4s on?

Kiko is a big puncher so will be very dangerous,


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 08, 2013, 07:00:03 PM
Anyone any thoughts on the Frampton fight? He looks very short at 4s on?

Kiko is a big puncher so will be very dangerous,

I like Frampton, I think he is the real deal and does everything well.  Martinez is tough though and Frampton won't be able to walk through him like he did Molitor.  I've backed Frampton on points at 7/4.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on February 08, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/live-coverage-of-the-sonny-bill-williams-francois-botha-boxing-match/story-fndeeomn-1226573817667


That guy is some athlete.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Micko on February 08, 2013, 07:25:48 PM
Anyone any thoughts on the Frampton fight? He looks very short at 4s on?

Kiko is a big puncher so will be very dangerous,

I like Frampton, I think he is the real deal and does everything well.  Martinez is tough though and Frampton won't be able to walk through him like he did Molitor.  I've backed Frampton on points at 7/4.

I really like Frampton myself, I was just looking for a getting opportunity lol

The weigh in was fun today.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 09, 2013, 11:26:08 PM
Very impressive from Frampton tonight. Peach of a shot to finish it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on February 16, 2013, 01:42:50 PM
Gavin Rees fights for another world title tonight vs The Problem

Anybody watching it?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on February 23, 2013, 09:10:22 PM
Heavyweight Prize Fighters on tonight, with Audrey Harrison taking part (won his quarter-final fight with one punch in about 40 seconds).

However, the proper Heavyweight fight tonight is David Price v Tony Thompson.  It's on Box Nation, although there are some streams available online.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on February 23, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
Lewison fought very well then. Early days as a fighter but I liked the look of that.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on February 23, 2013, 10:37:05 PM
this rossy is a gutsy fucker



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 23, 2013, 11:07:59 PM
Hype over.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on February 23, 2013, 11:10:26 PM
There was hype???

Beating Fraudley doesn't count if you want to be taken seriously in a weak division.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 23, 2013, 11:15:36 PM
There was hype???

Beating Fraudley doesn't count if you want to be taken seriously in a weak division.



Lots of it. I didn't think it would be an old and fat Tony Thompson that would expose him though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on February 23, 2013, 11:20:45 PM
There was hype???

Beating Fraudley doesn't count if you want to be taken seriously in a weak division.



really suprised tbh,   Frank Maloney was expecting top top things and lots of money from him...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on February 23, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
Gutted. I was sure Price the was the real deal. I remember hearing reports of him destrohing Hayes in sparring and he has always looked incred in the ring.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on February 24, 2013, 12:04:02 AM
plenty of good or even great fighters have lost a fight early on in there careers (or more than one)

i have no idea how good he is or could become but one fight does not change a great deal


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on February 24, 2013, 12:16:05 AM
Wow gg Price, when he got up he was shuffling around like a walker from TWD.

Amazing to see the cowardly lion back in action tonight. Why doesn't he actually participate in the sport of his choice though? I mean if you're a darts player you go up to the oche and throw 3 darts, you don't just stand there looking at the board. So Audrey has 3 rounds to impress against a selection of corpses but just stands there doing nothing. That last guy they wheeled in was practically knocked out already. And why does he look so terrified when a punch is thrown in his general direction? Any vague attempt at aggro from his oppo makes Audrey lose control of his limbs. At times he looked like a newborn calf on roller skates in a ring full of marbles. Very com, but come on champ we can do this!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 24, 2013, 02:33:32 AM
plenty of good or even great fighters have lost a fight early on in there careers (or more than one)

i have no idea how good he is or could become but one fight does not change a great deal

There have long been suspicions that he didn't have the best set of whiskers due to him being stopped more than once in the amateurs. Basically he hadn't been tagged as a pro until tonight and it didn't go well. That said Wlad was (is) similarly chinny but he was able to hire the services of the great Emmanuel Steward. Sadly that's not an option for Price.  I hope he can rebuild from here but it will be a long road back and he will need to change his style.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on February 26, 2013, 08:11:37 PM
Got tickets for the Froch v Kessler fight.

What price would be ok for the fight to go the distance?  Froch to win on points is 5/4.

Seems short to me, any ideas guys?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on February 26, 2013, 08:25:10 PM
Got tickets for the Froch v Kessler fight.

What price would be ok for the fight to go the distance?  Froch to win on points is 5/4.

Seems short to me, any ideas guys?

PP are 4/7 to go distance. I don't think we will see bigger than that.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on March 27, 2013, 06:45:40 PM
10:35 tonight on ITV tthere's a programme about Barry McGuigan. Not sure if it's a new one or a repeat of one I've already seen, but if it is the one I've seen then it's excellent.

If it's a new documentary, then even better.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: chelseaboy on March 30, 2013, 01:06:45 PM
I am going to the Bellew v Chilemba fight tonite in liverpool. I know a few people in the Chilemba camp and they really believe he can win and that this is definately a coin toss!!! This being said I think the 11/5 2/1 price is decent value on an even money contest!

I think it will be a cracker but the speed and movement of Chilemba could be to much for Bellew!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: smashedagain on March 30, 2013, 06:47:29 PM
If Bellew turns up it won't go 6 rounds. If he doesn't turn up he gets a decision :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on March 30, 2013, 08:27:48 PM
If Bellew turns up it won't go 6 rounds. If he doesn't turn up he gets a decision :)

Let's hope, some good undercards on also... Got the beers in an the laptop on..

#drinkingbeerwinningtokens


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on March 31, 2013, 12:21:20 AM
Bellew in a bit of trouble here.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on March 31, 2013, 12:39:10 AM
Was Jim Watt watching another fight?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on March 31, 2013, 12:43:54 AM
Was Jim Watt watching another fight?

Commentary was a joke. Bellew hardly landed a meaningful glove on Chilemba.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on March 31, 2013, 12:49:29 AM
Was Jim Watt watching another fight?

Commentary was a joke. Bellew hardly landed a meaningful glove on Chilemba.

Watt says he has Bellew by 3, but might be being kind to him :D

I honestly thought that the other guy was going to get the decision, especially given how the 2nd half of the fight played out.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on March 31, 2013, 12:55:34 AM
I thought Bellew won it to be honest but he didn't do enough to be too upset at the draw.  The judge who had it for Chilemba by four was watching a different fight to me but I couldn't argue with the other decisions.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on March 31, 2013, 02:08:32 AM
I thought Bellew won it to be honest but he didn't do enough to be too upset at the draw.  The judge who had it for Chilemba by four was watching a different fight to me but I couldn't argue with the other decisions.

I had it a draw in the end, but expected Bellew to get it as there wasn't much in a lot of the rounds. Chilemba gave away most of the early rounds by not throwing punches. Had he got out of the traps quicker Bellew would have been in big trouble. Back to the drawing board and will need to come up with a better game plan for the rematch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on March 31, 2013, 02:16:55 AM
I thought Bellew won it to be honest but he didn't do enough to be too upset at the draw.  The judge who had it for Chilemba by four was watching a different fight to me but I couldn't argue with the other decisions.

I had it a draw in the end, but expected Bellew to get it as there wasn't much in a lot of the rounds. Chilemba gave away most of the early rounds by not throwing punches. Had he got out of the traps quicker Bellew would have been in big trouble. Back to the drawing board and will need to come up with a better game plan for the rematch.

Was strange that the atmosphere in the ring before the cards were read out went sour, like Bellew knew he wasn't getting the decision and I was wondering if they pick anything up from the reactions of the announcer or the judges?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: chelseaboy on March 31, 2013, 11:49:56 AM
Mark I was there Eddie Heard told Bellew it was a draw before the scores were announced... Last night Chilemba was ROBBED!!! Bellew didnt land a decent punch all night and was out boxed from the 3rd onwards...

If Bellew fought as well as he ran his mouth he would a champ by now... all bark and no BITE!! A CHUMP more than a CHAMP!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on March 31, 2013, 02:16:11 PM
Mark I was there Eddie Heard told Bellew it was a draw before the scores were announced... Last night Chilemba was ROBBED!!! Bellew didnt land a decent punch all night and was out boxed from the 3rd onwards...

If Bellew fought as well as he ran his mouth he would a champ by now... all bark and no BITE!! A CHUMP more than a CHAMP!!

I chucked a score on your boy for an interest at the off, so was disappointed watching him just stay away for the first 3 rounds. He definitely looked decent for most of the last 8 rounds though, so I was shocked to see him drifting further and further in the later rounds.

Approaching the end of the fight he was out to double digits, so  I topped up and I had roughly £50 on him to win about £400. I wasn't overly confident, but I hoped that the fact there weren't any british judges was in my favour.

I then thought fk what if there is another draw, so chucked a couple quid on that as cover. Obviously gutted not to get weighed in the jackpot, but have to be glad to get out not doing money :D

To be fair to Bellew, the other guy is obviously a very tricky opponent and made things very awkward for him. Like Bazza said, he's gonna have to go back to the drawing board and work on a gameplan if he wants to beat him in the rematch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on April 17, 2013, 10:59:51 PM
Tickets delivered yesterday for the Froch v Kessler fight yesterday......

Now Tony Bellew fight on the undercard too.

Gonna be a top night I hope.

Any of you lot going?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on April 21, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
So Fury leant, elbowed, forearmed and butted his way past Cunningham. He is supposed to face Pulev next, as an eliminator to fight Wlad. I'll believe that when I see it. Pulev is the one guy who would have a reasonable chance against the Klitschos. Adamek swerved him and, though Pulev has just announced that he is in talks with Haye, Haye hasn't previously shown any desire for that fight.

Fury's best plan is to stay as far away from Pulev as he can.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
Audrey battered by one cracking right cross, one minute into the fight, and it was a punch that would have stopped a lot of heavyweights.  He's still a joke, but as Price said in the commentary, think tonight's more about the quality of Wilder than the lack of quality Harrison has.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on April 27, 2013, 09:13:43 PM
Audrey battered by one cracking right cross, one minute into the fight, and it was a punch that would have stopped a lot of heavyweights.  He's still a joke, but as Price said in the commentary, think tonight's more about the quality of Wilder than the lack of quality Harrison has.

As I said on TfT, not convinced. When you play a weak guy who won't fight back, it is easy to come at him.

He might be a champ but hard to tell yet


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on April 27, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
Embarrassment


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
Go go Ogogo!

First pro fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on April 27, 2013, 09:29:29 PM
"I felt sharp and confident in there but obviously he caught me with a shot. I dropped to my knee but he kept punching. But I beat the count, I got up, and the ref called it off. But I was on one knee and he was still throwing punches and that wasn't fair.

"I took a knee, I had my senses about me. 100% I wanted to continue. If you're out for the count you're out, but I wasn't. I kept telling the referee I was still in the fight. I felt comfortable in there.

"He caught me, I took a knee and I was ready to carry on. The fight was not over, the fight was just starting."


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
"I felt sharp and confident in there but obviously he caught me with a shot. I dropped to my knee but he kept punching. But I beat the count, I got up, and the ref called it off. But I was on one knee and he was still throwing punches and that wasn't fair.

"I took a knee, I had my senses about me. 100% I wanted to continue. If you're out for the count you're out, but I wasn't. I kept telling the referee I was still in the fight. I felt comfortable in there.

"He caught me, I took a knee and I was ready to carry on. The fight was not over, the fight was just starting."

Yeah, he needs to STFU really.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on April 27, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
More front than Brighton... Or whatever the phrase is.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 09:35:32 PM
What a beautiful right hand by Ogogo!  Nice pro debut :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 09:44:01 PM
What a promoter's dream Ogogo is!  Looks like he's got the lot. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on April 27, 2013, 09:51:51 PM
Winner Winner Chicken Teriyaki Sub


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 09:54:47 PM
Winner Winner Chicken Teriyaki Sub

Any salad, and what sauce do you want with that?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on April 27, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
Sheffield boos the Mexican National Anthem.

What does Khan hate? Tall, skillful fighters. Only thing worse for him is a tall, skillful, angry Mexican fighter.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Good first round from Khan.  Just needs to remember to keep boxing when it gets going.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 10:50:45 PM
Khan caught and down in the 4th.

Not hurt though, and not getting involved in a tear-up as he has in the past.  Needs to keep his guard tight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 10:52:40 PM
Looking at the replay, he had no guard when Diaz caught him with a big left, and then backed it up with another than put him down.

Ironically, I think Khan needs to be busier and throw more.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 10:55:37 PM
Khan did exactly what he needed to that round.  Kept clear, and threw a good jab and some good scoring combinations.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 10:59:56 PM
After the knock-down in the 4th, Khan has boxed beautifully in the 5th and 6th.

I've got him three rounds ahead, even though Diaz had a 10-8 round in the 4th.

More of the same needed.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:02:16 PM
For all of Khan's failings, he has amazing hand-speed.  Letting a few go in the 7th, and needs to keep doing so, but not go too gung-ho.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:03:33 PM
7th round was Khan's.  Very mature performance so far, and he's 4 rounds ahead on my card.

Khan landing with the harder shots in that round as well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:05:31 PM
A minute into the 8th, and Diaz catches Khan with a decent hook.  Khan takes it well, throws a few back and covers up well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:07:19 PM
Think I'd give the 8th to Diaz, as he scored with the more meaningful shots - but could have gone either way.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:11:13 PM
9th is Khan's. Landed far more punches in that round behind his good jab.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:12:12 PM
Khan just needs to avoid being knocked down in the last three rounds, and the fight's his.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:13:03 PM
Khan hurt at the start of the 10th, but he does well to hold and let his head clear.  Diaz is hunting him down, and smells blood.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
That was Diaz's round, but Khan did well not to throw it all away.  I think he might have blown it in that situation in the past.

Still have Khan three rounds ahead, with just two to come.

Khan still vulnerable though, and still worrying.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:17:17 PM
Khan catches Diaz with a beauty of a shot, but then leads himself open to two big shots from Diaz.  Khan's hurt!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:18:17 PM
Desperate times for Khan.  Trying to keep away, but he's open...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:19:25 PM
Well done Khan, he managed to survive that one.  Looked like he might have been taken out.  Managed to jab and run for the last minute - did well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
Final round - get on your bike Amir!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:21:27 PM
Jabbing and moving well. Don't get involved in a scrap.  Just needs to survive this round.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:23:16 PM
Brilliant stuff from Khan, much more mature performance.

He's won that by a few rounds on my card.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
He took some meaty shots in that fight, but his chin was up for it.  Didn't get caught by any blind shots, and that was the difference imo.

Scores to come...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:25:25 PM
114-113
115-113
115-112

All in favour of Khan.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 27, 2013, 11:26:22 PM
Scoring right for me.  A good night's work, and nothing flashy - but he won that through clever boxing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on April 27, 2013, 11:38:15 PM
Andy Garcia will be licking his lips  ;kev;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on April 28, 2013, 02:12:57 AM
It was an excellent fight. I think that's about the best opponent Khan could regularly beat, though. A harder puncher or a faster mover would have done more damage.

He gets hit too easily for me and, although I know that is how he wants to box, I find it hard to disagree with Freddie Roach :)

Very well done to him for tonight, though. Thoroughly deserved.

Mayweather?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 28, 2013, 08:39:02 AM
Khan - looked like a more mature balanced fighter under virgil hunter but always vulnerable so exciting fighter to watch

Harrison - Think I'm becoming a fan. First time I've heard getting battered into the canvas described as "taking a knee". Gotta admire that sort of positivity. Think he gets put in hospital if the ref let's him continue. But don't give up A-Force! We can come back from this and be a world champ one day, lolz.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on April 28, 2013, 10:57:57 AM
Martin Murray was superb last night. Very unlucky not to get the decision against a top 5 p4p. Some great domestic matchups with Macklin and Barker just asking to be made.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on April 28, 2013, 11:15:45 AM
I haven't seen the fight yet. And not suggesting that Harrison was going to win, or even last the round.

But the photos would seem to show that what he said was true. Wilder is even on one knee still punching.

(http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/64900/wilder-audley%20(2).jpg)(http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/64900/wilder-audley%20(5).jpg)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on April 28, 2013, 11:35:46 AM
I haven't seen the fight yet. And not suggesting that Harrison was going to win, or even last the round.

But the photos would seem to show that what he said was true. Wilder is even on one knee still punching.

(http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/64900/wilder-audley%20(2).jpg)(http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/64900/wilder-audley%20(5).jpg)

That's like the video ref in rugby seeing if the ball's been grounded.

To be fair to Wilder, he was only enjoying what a great deal of boxing fans would love to do.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 01, 2013, 04:56:18 PM
Fraudley retires. AT LAST!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 01, 2013, 04:56:47 PM
Fraudley retires. AT LAST!

If he can manage to do that properly...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 01, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
Fraudley retires. AT LAST!

If he can manage to do that properly...

I was actually surprised by how good his record was when I read the retirement stories today.  I guess all that fighting of absolute nobodies early in his career at least  gave him that.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: garage flower on May 02, 2013, 09:04:50 PM
It was an excellent fight. I think that's about the best opponent Khan could regularly beat, though. A harder puncher or a faster mover would have done more damage.

He gets hit too easily for me and, although I know that is how he wants to box, I find it hard to disagree with Freddie Roach :)

Very well done to him for tonight, though. Thoroughly deserved.

Mayweather?

Khan was partially successful in fighting his instinct to stand and trade when hurt, but yes he still gets clipped cleanly far too often.  He doesn't seem to have the power to take out top level opponents either.  Rarely in a dull fight though and I wouldn't rule him out in a rematch with Garcia, who looked pretty one dimensional and faded badly late on against Judah.

Guerrero's definitely earned his shot against Money, but I don't think he has the tools to seriously trouble him, unless prison/advancing years have taken a toll.  Guerrero will force Floyd to work though, so should make for another cracking fight.   It's been a brilliant month of boxing.  Just a shame Brook/Alexander and Burns/Vazquez fell through.   


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: exstream on May 04, 2013, 03:35:44 PM
Does anyone know when the Mayweather fight will start?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 04, 2013, 06:21:25 PM
Does anyone know when the Mayweather fight will start?

About 4am


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on May 21, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
If people have facebook and like their boxing history, this is a good page to follow;

http://www.facebook.com/BoxingArchives?fref=ts


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on May 21, 2013, 01:14:26 AM
Froch fight this week. Excited!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on May 21, 2013, 07:26:40 AM
Froch fight this week. Excited!

Yeh can't wait, going to be epic.

Boxing, poker and drinkaments goodnight ahead.

Kessler 9th


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 21, 2013, 07:53:31 AM
Froch-Kessler has become a bit of a bridesmaid fight, much as it will be an excellent fight between two skilled boxers. It's just that neither is Andre Ward.

Even still, hope Froch wins.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 21, 2013, 07:45:06 PM
Couldn't disagree more. Biggest fight in the world this year?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 21, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
WTF, Audley is back again.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 21, 2013, 10:54:04 PM
Andre Ward may be better than both but he isn't that exciting, this weekends fight could easily be fight of the year


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 21, 2013, 10:55:27 PM
Steve Collins is planning a comeback aged 48. It's tragic how poorly fighters deal with retirement


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 21, 2013, 11:05:55 PM
Andre Ward may be better than both but he isn't that exciting, this weekends fight could easily be fight of the year

I concur.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on May 21, 2013, 11:13:02 PM
I would like to know how everyone prices the fight up? Minus the home advantage and the usual biased opinion what are the true odds?? it is close for me, real close.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 22, 2013, 12:00:53 AM
I would like to know how everyone prices the fight up? Minus the home advantage and the usual biased opinion what are the true odds?? it is close for me, real close.

It is a truly cracking fight and Carl Froch is one of my favourite fighters ever he has so much heart but I don't really see how he is such a big favourite here.  Kessler beat him fair and square last time and they have both beaten/ everyone put in front of them since except Andre Ward.  Home advantage is worth a lot in boxing and  Kessler hasn't been that active but I just think something like 8/11 Froch 6/4 Kessler would be a bit closer to the mark than the current prices.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: BigAdz on May 22, 2013, 03:42:39 AM
WTF, Audley is back again.

Can't see how having a baby suddenly makes you want to start again? Which is apparently his reasoning.

He must be a wealthy man, and I would have thought he had a big enough profile to milk retirement for a good while.

Unless, bizarrely, having the kid has woken his inner fires, and he feels he might now actually land a punch.

Strange, at best



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 22, 2013, 07:18:31 AM
I would like to know how everyone prices the fight up? Minus the home advantage and the usual biased opinion what are the true odds?? it is close for me, real close.

It is a truly cracking fight and Carl Froch is one of my favourite fighters ever he has so much heart but I don't really see how he is such a big favourite here.  Kessler beat him fair and square last time and they have both beaten/ everyone put in front of them since except Andre Ward.  Home advantage is worth a lot in boxing and  Kessler hasn't been that active but I just think something like 8/11 Froch 6/4 Kessler would be a bit closer to the mark than the current prices.

I tend to agree. 2/1 Kessler is definitely value imo, but one of those occasions I'm happy to pass up a +ve EV spot as I'm a massive Froch fan and I'll be at the O2 on Saturday and would feel dirty funking against him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 22, 2013, 07:42:38 AM
I wont be at the o2 on Saturday but if my holiday started 2 days earlier I would pay a fortune for a ticket and almost wrote what you did Bazza.  This is deffo one of those spots  where I really don't need a bet and will be funking for Froch hard but I do think Kessler looks a tad big.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 22, 2013, 07:50:55 AM
I also hope Froch wins. I like fighters who get inside and aren't frightened to tangle (but are good enough to do so). Kessler is a good match for him, thoigh, and I'm thinking points either way.

I'm not sure what happens when a winner is declared. Would Froch retire? Would Kessler demand a rematch?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 22, 2013, 07:53:30 AM
Not sure either should or would retire if they lose but both getting old by boxing standards.  It is kinda a shame because either would easily be a really top class lb4lb fighter in another era but ward is close to Mayweather imo and just so many other great fighters at these weights the last few years.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 22, 2013, 08:04:42 AM
The problem for Froch is, if he were to lose, he'd have to take a big step down and there would be no guarantee he'd get a title shot again. I don't really think he deserves that.

It will be a brilliant fight and the two will be toe to toe, roared onby a partizan and baying crowd.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on May 23, 2013, 05:23:04 PM
Can't wait.......train to London for lunchtime, dump bags in hotel, and we're off.

No idea where were gonna start drinking, hope the fight goes more than a few rounds, which I think it will.

Froch in the 11th for me.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 23, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
Fraudley retires. AT LAST!

If he can manage to do that properly...

LOL - he couldn't :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 23, 2013, 10:01:08 PM
Can't wait.......train to London for lunchtime, dump bags in hotel, and we're off.

No idea where were gonna start drinking, hope the fight goes more than a few rounds, which I think it will.

Froch in the 11th for me.

Enjoy it, it'll be a cracker.  Can't call it myself, going to be a close one.  Obviously, my heart says Froch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on May 25, 2013, 06:22:03 PM
We all in for a good night of boxing, cant wait..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 25, 2013, 06:36:06 PM
When will the main start ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 25, 2013, 07:11:07 PM
When will the main start ?

11ish. I'm sure they'll time it so the Champions League final has finished.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on May 25, 2013, 07:12:16 PM
When will the main start ?

11ish. I'm sure they'll time it so the Champions League final has finished.

Gud gud :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on May 25, 2013, 07:13:29 PM
Yeah heard em mention something about 11:15 after the weigh in.

Hope Groves wins also.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 25, 2013, 07:30:36 PM
Can't remember the last time I looked forward to a fight this much, been a good couple of years, personally think Froch will have just enough momentum to do the job.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 25, 2013, 10:34:09 PM
 George Groves mightily impressive there.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 25, 2013, 10:36:57 PM
George Groves mightily impressive there.

Great timing by me, turned it over just as the 5th started :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 25, 2013, 10:50:12 PM
Those 'VIP' seats they keep showing look shit


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 25, 2013, 11:41:34 PM
Danish national anthem is a bit pants


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 25, 2013, 11:42:17 PM
Better than ours with the false start!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 25, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Have backed Kessler at just under 5/2.

Happy either way now.

Gonna be close.

 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 25, 2013, 11:47:52 PM
Is it just me? Froch's right eye looks a little damaged to me pre-fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 25, 2013, 11:51:10 PM
Ooooh this could live up to the hype.......


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 25, 2013, 11:53:56 PM
He's walking this atm.

Kessler needs a big change of style


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 25, 2013, 11:58:21 PM
One way traffic ATM Froch looks very strong


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 25, 2013, 11:58:56 PM
Need Kessler to get inside and turn this into a Hatton fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
Need Kessler to get inside and turn this into a Hatton fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:04:13 AM
Much better. We got a boxing game.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 12:04:21 AM
Getting worried here


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:05:27 AM
Game on now


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:07:41 AM
Froch 2 rounds up still.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2013, 12:11:06 AM
I have this even after six rounds.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:11:56 AM
Froch 1 up for me


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:12:21 AM
He needs to get that jab working again


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:14:38 AM
Awesome round


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:15:10 AM
How the heck are they still standing?

Can we watch this every week?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Camel on May 26, 2013, 12:15:18 AM
20/1 the draw in running?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 12:16:01 AM
This is a cracker bt still a bit worried Kessler has more in tank from the start!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: action man on May 26, 2013, 12:16:30 AM
any links plz


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AndrewT on May 26, 2013, 12:18:38 AM
any links plz

I'm watching on first row sports - link 3 is decent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: BorntoBubble on May 26, 2013, 12:18:43 AM
any links plz


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 12:19:24 AM
I'm already excited about the rematch!!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Two great rounds from Froch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:19:52 AM
I think Froch is locking this up in round ten.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:20:27 AM
I'm already excited about the rematch!!!!!

Can only happen if Froch wins. And even then, I doubt it will happen.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on May 26, 2013, 12:21:36 AM
link

http://www.epl424.org/channel-1.php


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 12:22:32 AM
I'm already excited about the rematch!!!!!

Can only happen if Froch wins. And even then, I doubt it will happen.

Surely happens is froch wins on points.  Too much money for promoters not to have a decider!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:23:46 AM
I have Froch at least two ahead


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:27:45 AM
I'm already excited about the rematch!!!!!

Can only happen if Froch wins. And even then, I doubt it will happen.

Surely happens is froch wins on points.  Too much money for promoters not to have a decider!

I'd hope so. Ship them both to the MGM for the third leg


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:27:56 AM
I have Froch at least two ahead


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:34:52 AM
Awesome fight, but really think Froch won by 5 rounds


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:35:33 AM
Well done, the Cobra!

Won it comfortably. Please let us watch another in six months.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2013, 12:35:49 AM
That last round clinched it for sure. Great fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Eck on May 26, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
Pair of hero's what a display, Froch must win but two great sportsmen & athletes


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on May 26, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
What a dust up!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:38:38 AM
118-110?!

One of the best fights of the last few years and some donut thinks it's been a cakewalk. ::)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2013, 12:41:03 AM
I'm not sure which fight the judge who scored it 118/110 was watching.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 12:44:31 AM
What an absolute hero and warrior Carl Froch is.  He never ducks a fight, puts in 110% every single time and gets it done.  So many other sportsmen could learn from him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2013, 12:44:50 AM
I'm not sure which fight the judge who scored it 118/110 was watching.

They said that 2 of them judged Witherspoon v Bruno was it? I guess they probably were at retirement age around that time, but have bimbled along just scribbling randomly on the scorecards until now.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 12:46:14 AM
What a pair of gents they both are


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2013, 12:48:23 AM
What an absolute hero and warrior Carl Froch is.  He never ducks a fight, puts in 110% every single time and gets it done.  So many other sportsmen could learn from him.

Legends both of them, really classy from start to finish in every way.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 12:51:18 AM
Kessler just had what might be the last fight of his career, taken 100 punches in the face, has handed over his belt and immediately gives a glowing interview, smiling, in a foreign language.

Whilst it would be good for Froch to have a second shot against Ward, I don't see that being a contest like a rematch would.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 01:04:11 AM
Really don't know where Froch goes from here tbh.  Kessler doesn't look too keen on a rematch and I got the sense he might be done.  Rob McCracken really didn't sound too keen on Ward and really not sure that can happen if it isn't in UK.  Hopkins looks the play but that isn't in the calibre of opponents Froch likes.....not anymore anyway.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2013, 01:07:28 AM
Kessler just had what might be the last fight of his career, taken 100 punches in the face, has handed over his belt and immediately gives a glowing interview, smiling, in a foreign language.

Whilst it would be good for Froch to have a second shot against Ward, I don't see that being a contest like a rematch would.

Ward is another cut from the same cloth as those 2, and hopefully Eddie picks up the phone :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on May 26, 2013, 01:08:32 AM
What an absolute hero and warrior Carl Froch is.  He never ducks a fight, puts in 110% every single time and gets it done.  So many other sportsmen could learn from him.

This.

Kessler is a credit to the sport as well. If only boxing had more people like this in it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2013, 01:13:07 AM
Ward vs Froch July 5th 2014 please!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Camel on May 26, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
Why wouldn't Froch retire?

I mean, he's made for life, he has avenged the only avengeable defeat of his career and he's 36 in a months time.

Time to hang em up.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: action man on May 26, 2013, 02:18:08 AM
best moment of the fight for me was when carl was declared the winner and kessler immediately took his hand from the referee's and began applauding. Sportsmanship at its finest.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 26, 2013, 02:32:22 AM
Carl Froch is a legend. Kessler isn't far behind. Fantastic fight.

War Froch


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2013, 03:40:32 AM
Kessler just had what might be the last fight of his career, taken 100 punches in the face, has handed over his belt and immediately gives a glowing interview, smiling, in a foreign language.

Whilst it would be good for Froch to have a second shot against Ward, I don't see that being a contest like a rematch would.

Ward is another cut from the same cloth as those 2, and hopefully Eddie picks up the phone :)

Ward is a level above, IMO. Would be a big payday. He is in a difficult spot, because that was arguably Froch's best performance of his career. Seems luke the worst time to retire, but I can't pick a progressive fight for him at that weight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mulhuzz on May 26, 2013, 04:31:25 AM
The interview with the two of them at the end was just pure class.

Sport needs more of this. If they both retired tonight, they'd know the both retired champions.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: LonOhRay on May 26, 2013, 05:08:54 AM
Enjoyed throughout, interview was very good


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 05:13:53 AM
Kessler just had what might be the last fight of his career, taken 100 punches in the face, has handed over his belt and immediately gives a glowing interview, smiling, in a foreign language.

Whilst it would be good for Froch to have a second shot against Ward, I don't see that being a contest like a rematch would.

Ward is another cut from the same cloth as those 2, and hopefully Eddie picks up the phone :)

Ward is a level above, IMO. Would be a big payday. He is in a difficult spot, because that was arguably Froch's best performance of his career. Seems luke the worst time to retire, but I can't pick a progressive fight for him at that weight.

I really dont want to see it because they are my two favourite British fighters at the moment but Froch - Groves would sell enough tickets and provide a challenge for both parties.  Now would definitely be the time for Froch to take this fight as in a few years time Groves might overtake him and catch him on the way down which none of us want to see obviously.  Not sure it is the perfect time for Groves to take though and Adam Booth is normally fairly careful about the challenges his fighters take although they did take on De Gale.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2013, 05:31:53 AM
Kessler just had what might be the last fight of his career, taken 100 punches in the face, has handed over his belt and immediately gives a glowing interview, smiling, in a foreign language.

Whilst it would be good for Froch to have a second shot against Ward, I don't see that being a contest like a rematch would.

Ward is another cut from the same cloth as those 2, and hopefully Eddie picks up the phone :)

Ward is a level above, IMO. Would be a big payday. He is in a difficult spot, because that was arguably Froch's best performance of his career. Seems luke the worst time to retire, but I can't pick a progressive fight for him at that weight.

Ward is definitely the better boxer, but I was just talking about the way he conducts himself etc.

I think Froch is just a warrior, he lost to Ward so will want to try and avenge the defeat. Not sure that he'll be able to, but he will want to give it another spin I think.





Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Yian on May 26, 2013, 05:38:53 AM
Where can I watch the fight again without paying? Couldn't give it my full attention at DTD tonight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on May 26, 2013, 05:41:07 AM
Kessler just had what might be the last fight of his career, taken 100 punches in the face, has handed over his belt and immediately gives a glowing interview, smiling, in a foreign language.

Whilst it would be good for Froch to have a second shot against Ward, I don't see that being a contest like a rematch would.

Ward is another cut from the same cloth as those 2, and hopefully Eddie picks up the phone :)

Ward is a level above, IMO. Would be a big payday. He is in a difficult spot, because that was arguably Froch's best performance of his career. Seems luke the worst time to retire, but I can't pick a progressive fight for him at that weight.

Ward is definitely the better boxer, but I was just talking about the way he conducts himself etc.

I think Froch is just a warrior, he lost to Ward so will want to try and avenge the defeat. Not sure that he'll be able to, but he will want to give it another spin I think.


I dont think he will either and I would be a big backer of Ward at 1/2 in UK and 1/4 in States but it would be interesting to see Froch try and just plough through him and try and go toe to toe.  I think that Ward might be too fast for that but it is Frochs only chance imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Amatay on May 26, 2013, 10:33:43 AM
Where can I watch the fight again without paying? Couldn't give it my full attention at DTD tonight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 10:44:51 AM
Also really struggle to see what Froch does now. I just think Ward would be boring and the same result. Groves would be a hiding to nothing. Really think the only good option would be Froch vs Kessler III in Vegas and hype it as a Ward vs Gatti, Hagler vs Hearns, Barrera vs Morales type super fight and give both men the send offs they deserve.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: cambridgealex on May 26, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
Where can I watch the fight again without paying? Couldn't give it my full attention at DTD tonight.

Didn't see you there mate should've come and said hi!

I've never been into boxing at all, never really watched a fight all the way through, but followed this and was enthralled by it. It was absolutely brilliant entertainment and I fully echo those comments about the class of both. Makes me sick watching football where 95% don't have an ounce of the class of other sports persons.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2013, 03:13:24 PM
Kessler just had what might be the last fight of his career, taken 100 punches in the face, has handed over his belt and immediately gives a glowing interview, smiling, in a foreign language.

Whilst it would be good for Froch to have a second shot against Ward, I don't see that being a contest like a rematch would.

Ward is another cut from the same cloth as those 2, and hopefully Eddie picks up the phone :)

Ward is a level above, IMO. Would be a big payday. He is in a difficult spot, because that was arguably Froch's best performance of his career. Seems luke the worst time to retire, but I can't pick a progressive fight for him at that weight.

Ward is definitely the better boxer, but I was just talking about the way he conducts himself etc.

I think Froch is just a warrior, he lost to Ward so will want to try and avenge the defeat. Not sure that he'll be able to, but he will want to give it another spin I think.


I dont think he will either and I would be a big backer of Ward at 1/2 in UK and 1/4 in States but it would be interesting to see Froch try and just plough through him and try and go toe to toe.  I think that Ward might be too fast for that but it is Frochs only chance imo.

I'd like to see it again though, but I think the commentators were right with regards to Eddie not having enough money to get Ward this side of the pond for it. Still, Vegas is an option and that would pad out Froch's retirement fund nicely!

 Whatever happens now, Froch is a legend in the game and even if he does lose to Ward again it won't matter in the overall scheme of things. Would be great if he could do a Lewis though and avenge both defeats before knocking it on the head.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 26, 2013, 05:53:42 PM
Best non-football sports event I've ever been to. Hoarse as hell, hungover like a champ and would do it all again right now if I could. GTFI Carl Froch.

IT was never 8 rounds apart though. I had it as 2/3 rounds for Froch.

Ward or retire for me. Hopkins is lose-lose.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on May 26, 2013, 06:43:43 PM
Best non-football sports event I've ever been to. Hoarse as hell, hungover like a champ and would do it all again right now if I could. GTFI Carl Froch.

IT was never 8 rounds apart though. I had it as 2/3 rounds for Froch.

Ward or retire for me. Hopkins is lose-lose.

The thing with boxing is that if you had it three rounds to Froch and someone had scored it the same as you, except for two rounds that you gave to Kessler and they gave them to Froch, then that's a swing of four rounds - so they'd have Froch winning by seven rounds.  It's only a two-round difference in close rounds that will give a four-point difference in the scoring.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on May 26, 2013, 07:25:14 PM
I hear you Dan but 8?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 26, 2013, 07:34:41 PM
I actually thought 8 rounds to Froch was fine, I think he edged all the close rounds because of his work rate.

Of course that doesn't tell the whole story of the fight and seems overly harsh to Kessler because overall it was a close bout, but round by round I think Froch's volume nicked the close rounds.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on May 26, 2013, 08:45:51 PM
Best non-football sports event I've ever been to. Hoarse as hell, hungover like a champ and would do it all again right now if I could. GTFI Carl Froch.

IT was never 8 rounds apart though. I had it as 2/3 rounds for Froch.

Ward or retire for me. Hopkins is lose-lose.

This....

Really enjoyed it last night........getting away from the O2 was the worst experience ever.  I had Froch by 2 and was shocked that 1 judge had him by 8.  Proper goose pimples when the ring announcer did his stuff.

Awesome night.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on May 30, 2013, 01:50:20 PM
Oh wow
Mayweather vs Alvarez
http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/news/floyd-mayweather-and-saul-alvarez-will-meet-on-september-14

Watching this.  ;popcorn;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on May 30, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
Oh wow
Mayweather vs Alvarez
http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/news/floyd-mayweather-and-saul-alvarez-will-meet-on-september-14

Watching this.  ;popcorn;

Mayweather UD. Wide.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on May 30, 2013, 08:09:42 PM
Oh wow
Mayweather vs Alvarez
http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/news/floyd-mayweather-and-saul-alvarez-will-meet-on-september-14

Watching this.  ;popcorn;

Mayweather UD. Wide.

↑↑↑
What he said.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on June 01, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
Just watched the gloves are off for the super middle weights. Anyone know if Collins' injury story is true?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 08, 2013, 10:36:08 PM
Channel 5's coverage of boxing is painful to watch


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on June 08, 2013, 10:38:07 PM
Channel 5's coverage of boxing is painful to watch

Lol @ Degale


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on June 09, 2013, 12:24:34 PM
Just watched a replay of last nights ITV boxing. The Fury interview at the end was comedy gold!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on July 06, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
Price loses again.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 07, 2013, 06:43:05 AM
GG Price's career. Not got the heart or the chin. I genuinely thought he was the real deal but unfortunately not being able to take a punch isn't the best trait to have for a boxer.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 12, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
GG Price's career. Not got the heart or the chin. I genuinely thought he was the real deal but unfortunately not being able to take a punch isn't the best trait to have for a boxer.

Sigh at Price.. :(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 12, 2013, 04:38:18 PM
David Haye vs Tyson Fury

Should be over by 5th round  ;popcorn;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 12, 2013, 07:27:06 PM
David Haye vs Tyson Fury

Should be over by 5th round  ;popcorn;

Ridic being compared to Bruno Lewis. I'd love to see Wald knock them both out.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on July 12, 2013, 10:21:45 PM
I'm not a Haye fan but think he will knock Fury out


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on July 12, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
A bit pointless. Haye is a world-class boxer. Fury.................isn't.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on July 13, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
Boxing is completely shit, fuck boxing!

Why didn't Mayweather v Pacman happen when they were both incred, twats.

Joke sport.

How was the decision giving against Pacman v Bradley, twats.

Joke sport.

More rigged than online pokers.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 13, 2013, 08:33:53 AM
Agree.

Even more so Hopkins Jones.

This is why the likes of Mayweather will never go into the legendary category. People like Leonard must yawn at it all.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 13, 2013, 03:10:18 PM
Agree.

Even more so Hopkins Jones.

This is why the likes of Mayweather will never go into the legendary category. People like Leonard must yawn at it all.

Not really a reason to hate boxing though.  Just a reason to admire more people like Carl Froch who take them all on.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on July 13, 2013, 05:20:17 PM
Boxing is one of the only sports that has game selection and bum hunting like poker in that regard.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 14, 2013, 12:49:51 AM
Brook did well tonight, but struggled to get his opponent out of there again. Thought the ref stopped it too early, as his opponent was still defending himself and didn't look hurt.

Not sure if Brook has the power to hurt world class welterweights, but we'll see. Classy boxer and nice combinations at times, but is he truly world-class?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 14, 2013, 12:58:32 AM
Brook was the better fighter tonight but he's in a really tough division. I don't see it being a problem as such, as long as he doesn't get over-hyped. It was important for him to win tonight and I'm pleased he got to draw a line under the last year.

Campbell could hardly have had a better debut. Technically, he looked absolutely fantastic. So well balanced and very quick hands. Going to need to be quick to rise through the ranks at 25, though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 14, 2013, 07:19:01 AM
Looking forward too hearing who Kells fighting next



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 14, 2013, 07:51:17 AM
Brook did well tonight, but struggled to get his opponent out of there again. Thought the ref stopped it too early, as his opponent was still defending himself and didn't look hurt.

Not sure if Brook has the power to hurt world class welterweights, but we'll see. Classy boxer and nice combinations at times, but is he truly world-class?

It was what is becoming commonly known as a "British Stoppage". That never gets stopped in a US ring at that point as whilst Jones was shipping a few he wasn't badly hurt. As for Brooks power I don't think it will trouble any world class welter and I think it will take a fine piece of matchmaking for him to win a world title. The consensus last night seemed to be that Mosley is who is being lined up for September.

Campbell looked very good, jury out on Ogogo though for me.

Also Sky really really need to get a new commentary team.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 14, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Missed the Ogogo fight.  He didn't look that impressive then?  Had high hopes for him to go a long way.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 14, 2013, 08:51:49 AM
Missed the Ogogo fight.  He didn't look that impressive then?  Had high hopes for him to go a long way.

Lack of punching power will be an issue when he steps up (he caught his opponent on the ear and burst his ear drum which scrambled him, prior to that hadn't troubled his opponent at all). Technically good and he was up against a decent opponent in only his 3rd fight but I wasn't all that impressed. Early days though in fairness.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 14, 2013, 09:02:25 AM
Brook did well tonight, but struggled to get his opponent out of there again. Thought the ref stopped it too early, as his opponent was still defending himself and didn't look hurt.

Not sure if Brook has the power to hurt world class welterweights, but we'll see. Classy boxer and nice combinations at times, but is he truly world-class?

It was what is becoming commonly known as a "British Stoppage". That never gets stopped in a US ring at that point as whilst Jones was shipping a few he wasn't badly hurt. As for Brooks power I don't think it will trouble any world class welter and I think it will take a fine piece of matchmaking for him to win a world title. The consensus last night seemed to be that Mosley is who is being lined up for September.

Campbell looked very good, jury out on Ogogo though for me.

Also Sky really really need to get a new commentary team.

Sugar Shane Mosely that's a great fight for Kell to get back in the mix, although he'll have too step it up another gear and be prepared to go the full 12 rounds...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 14, 2013, 09:47:57 AM
Missed the Ogogo fight.  He didn't look that impressive then?  Had high hopes for him to go a long way.

Lack of punching power will be an issue when he steps up (he caught his opponent on the ear and burst his ear drum which scrambled him, prior to that hadn't troubled his opponent at all). Technically good and he was up against a decent opponent in only his 3rd fight but I wasn't all that impressed. Early days though in fairness.

I agree that Ogogo is technically sound, and with a bit more quality coaching I'm sure his punching power will develop (possibly).  Think he's a fighter I hope fulfils his potential.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 14, 2013, 09:58:43 AM
Re sky getting a new commentary team, I would love Nick Halling back doing the NFL coverage, even though I think he does a good job in this.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TightEnd on July 14, 2013, 10:05:44 AM
Re sky getting a new commentary team, I would love Nick Halling back doing the NFL coverage, even though I think he does a good job in this.

No thank you

Not a boxing man, but he can stick his NFL expertise where the sun doesn't shine. Hideous "expert"


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
Re sky getting a new commentary team, I would love Nick Halling back doing the NFL coverage, even though I think he does a good job in this.

No thank you

Not a boxing man, but he can stick his NFL expertise where the sun doesn't shine. Hideous "expert"

:(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 14, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
Agree.

Even more so Hopkins Jones.

This is why the likes of Mayweather will never go into the legendary category. People like Leonard must yawn at it all.

Not really a reason to hate boxing though.  Just a reason to admire more people like Carl Froch who take them all on.

Yes, fair enough. I just hate the politics. Boxing could learn a lot from UFC.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: AdamM on July 16, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
Tyson Fury will learn a lot from UFC if the challenge he made to fight Cain Velasquez in the octagon ever gets made a reality.

I lol'd when he said he'd "fight Cain, then go back to boxing" and some comedian apparently suggested that should have read "fight Cain and go back in a box."


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Camel on July 16, 2013, 04:44:38 PM
Audley Harrison was the same plane home from Vegas as me.

Fck me he's a big unit.

I bet precisely zero of the people who call him Audrey would dare say it to his face.

He'd break them in two.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 16, 2013, 04:48:19 PM
Audley Harrison was the same plane home from Vegas as me.

Fck me he's a big unit.

I bet precisely zero of the people who call him Audrey would dare say it to his face.

He'd tell them he'd break them in two and then not throw a punch



FYP

Sent from a safehouse.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 16, 2013, 04:49:29 PM
Audley Harrison was the same plane home from Vegas as me.

Fck me he's a big unit.

I bet precisely zero of the people who call him Audrey would dare say it to his face.

He'd break them in two.



That's the annoying thing about him.  He's got all the natural attributes to be a top-class heavyweight boxer: speed, size, strength, power, technique.  The thing he doesn't have is the drive or the bottle.  Shame really.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 16, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
Not sure he had the technique to be in the elite or the movement to compensate.

However, he performed brilliantly in the Olympics and as much as it was a standing joke, he was Olympic Champ and that can't be taken away from him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 16, 2013, 05:00:12 PM
I do think he had/has fantastic technique.  Just doesn't apply it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2013, 05:55:47 PM
I do think he had/has fantastic technique.  Just doesn't apply it.

I have been as big a critic of Audrey (I'm reliably informed he is on the other side of the Atlantic...not that I'm scared) as anyone but its bit harsh to describe someone with an Olympic gold medal as not having drive or bottle. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 16, 2013, 05:59:36 PM
I think that's his biggest failing in his pro career. Maybe bottle and drive are the wrong words. How about grit and determination?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 16, 2013, 06:05:53 PM
One theory would be the move from Amateur to Pro requires coping with getting hit harder and he just wasn't as keen when he was leaving himself liable to take a punch from an 18stone European beast without a headguard.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 16, 2013, 06:23:16 PM
Froch vs Groves is looking ever more likely for November.

Regretting not taking this so bad. I expected more because at the time he had only had 4 pro fights. I would say it his nailed on he picks up a title within the next 18 months. (not necessarily IBF from Froch tho..) Such a fish. :(

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/NewPicture12_zps34b37c37.png)

My heart says Georgie boy on points. Technically the better boxer imo (although slightly biased), but my head says Froch >6.

Anyone else excited about the possibility of this?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 16, 2013, 08:35:27 PM
I think Audley's problems were definitely more mental than physical, however he is not the first amateur star to bomb in the pro game.

I think Groves matches up well against Froch. I'm surprised he is going down that route though given there are far easier routes for him to go down and the Froch fight would be much bigger if it was a unification battle.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on July 16, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Froch vs Groves is looking ever more likely for November.

Regretting not taking this so bad. I expected more because at the time he had only had 4 pro fights. I would say it his nailed on he picks up a title within the next 18 months. (not necessarily IBF from Froch tho..) Such a fish. :(

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/NewPicture12_zps34b37c37.png)

My heart says Georgie boy on points. Technically the better boxer imo (although slightly biased), but my head says Froch >6.

Anyone else excited about the possibility of this?

Yes I am very, very excited about it if it happens.  Can I use my one time that it is the same weekend as the tips for tikay bash and I am in UK.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on July 20, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
I think Audley's problems were definitely more mental than physical, however he is not the first amateur star to bomb in the pro game.

I think Groves matches up well against Froch. I'm surprised he is going down that route though given there are far easier routes for him to go down and the Froch fight would be much bigger if it was a unification battle.

This comes a bit too early for St George IMO. In 2 years this fight would be truly epic.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 22, 2013, 05:28:21 PM
Froch v Groves, 23/11 in Manchester at MEN. Could be a good un.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 23, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
Froch v Groves, 23/11 in Manchester at MEN. Could be a good un.
We going?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 23, 2013, 11:35:58 AM
Froch v Groves, 23/11 in Manchester at MEN. Could be a good un.
We going?

Got a tonne of mates going. Proper ringside is looking like being £2k & outter ringside £200. It's also the merseyside derby that day. Would be utter carnage. No way I would be able to swing a wknd away like that without a decent bink though. My missus seems to think redundancy and wknds away don't go in hand in hand.. will see what happens. Fight is being announced at 12 I think.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on July 23, 2013, 12:57:01 PM
Yeah bink needed gl us and the Saint.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 23, 2013, 02:48:57 PM
4/1 Groves looks on the big side to me.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on July 23, 2013, 02:52:14 PM
4/1 Groves looks on the big side to me.

Agreed. Looks like it is only available at corals though. :(

He has massively been understimated in this bout imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 26, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
Looking forward too hearing who Kells fighting next



Senchenko. Bit of a let down after Hearn's bluster.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on July 26, 2013, 08:03:34 PM
Looking forward too hearing who Kells fighting next



Senchenko. Bit of a let down after Hearn's bluster.

Yes and no.

Not a pretty fighter but he's awkward. He's fought bigger fights than Brook.

It's not box office tho.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 29, 2013, 01:01:41 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/23489405

"Anthony Joshua, the 23-year-old Olympic gold medallist joined Hearn's Matchroom organisation after announcing his decision to leave the amateur code.  The 6ft 6in boxer will make his professional debut on 5 October. "

Terrific athlete, big unit, and not bad technically.  Will be interesting to see how he gets on as a pro.  Doesn't have a history as a boxer in the amateur game either, only took it up in 2007.  Will he go on to become world-class, or will he be another Audley or Price?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on July 29, 2013, 01:23:40 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/23489405

"Anthony Joshua, the 23-year-old Olympic gold medallist joined Hearn's Matchroom organisation after announcing his decision to leave the amateur code.  The 6ft 6in boxer will make his professional debut on 5 October. "

Terrific athlete, big unit, and not bad technically.  Will be interesting to see how he gets on as a pro.  Doesn't have a history as a boxer in the amateur game either, only took it up in 2007.  Will he go on to become world-class, or will he be another Audley or Price?

Very raw. Only had 40odd amateur fights. He benefitted from some questionable scoring at the Olympics to win gold imo. He is very much work in progress but it doesn't take much to make an impact in the heavyweight division these days. I expect he will blitz through the domestic opposition much like Price did.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on July 29, 2013, 01:25:13 PM
Froch gonna crush groves . No contest


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on July 29, 2013, 01:29:24 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/23489405

"Anthony Joshua, the 23-year-old Olympic gold medallist joined Hearn's Matchroom organisation after announcing his decision to leave the amateur code.  The 6ft 6in boxer will make his professional debut on 5 October. "

Terrific athlete, big unit, and not bad technically.  Will be interesting to see how he gets on as a pro.  Doesn't have a history as a boxer in the amateur game either, only took it up in 2007.  Will he go on to become world-class, or will he be another Audley or Price?

Very raw. Only had 40odd amateur fights. He benefitted from some questionable scoring at the Olympics to win gold imo. He is very much work in progress but it doesn't take much to make an impact in the heavyweight division these days. I expect he will blitz through the domestic opposition much like Price did.

Yeah, definitely an unknown in terms of his ability.  He's a proper sportsman though, and not many heavyweights are athletes like that - so that's a big plus.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on August 10, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Deontay Wilder was in action again last night. The fact his Belarusian opponent hadn't for for 18 months gives you a clue which way this fight went ;)

The KO is well worth watching though and the whole fight will only take up 2 minutes of your time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyXOXgRVjxY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyXOXgRVjxY)

edit: the fight begins at 7:20


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 04, 2013, 05:33:50 PM
Let's get this Fred back on track

September big month for boxing

Mayweather vs Canello

Garcia vs Matthysse

Haye vs Fury

Can't waith for 14th going to be an upset  ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 05, 2013, 11:36:12 AM

burns on saturday night aswell - gotta improve from his last fight when he was losing on all the cards and the guy quit on him

a few good domestic level cards about aswell 21st has got 3 or 4 good fights on

whats your upset garcia to beat matthysse?? surely cant be mayweather??


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 05, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
I'm a huge Canelo fan, have bet on him several times and my words after the Trout fight were 'back him big vs anyone bar Mayweather'.   

Floyd by UD IMO as the guy simply does not get hit.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 05, 2013, 07:22:26 PM

burns on saturday night aswell - gotta improve from his last fight when he was losing on all the cards and the guy quit on him

a few good domestic level cards about aswell 21st has got 3 or 4 good fights on

whats your upset garcia to beat matthysse?? surely cant be mayweather??


Will probably watch Burns but he was so lucky last time out against Gonelez I had a wager on Gonelez and he retired with 4 rnds too go.. Standard!!! Can't remember reason why but poor show considering it was a world title fight.

Yeh 21st looks a good night and I recently subscribed too BoxNation just incase I watch Mayweather fight at home and if on dodgy link and I lost connection it would probably be gg laptop. Joe Saunders vs Ryder will be good.

The upset will of course be Canello stopping Mayweather.  ;gobsmacked;

Garcia will struggle vs Matthysse and should end up on his arse also.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 05, 2013, 08:48:47 PM

cant see canelo laying a glove on mayweather he can make anybody look daft. canelos never impressed me trout was his first real test and i scored it a lot closer

dont mind garcia at all i fancy him to nick it on points!!

should be a great night


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 06, 2013, 12:33:18 AM

canelos never impressed me trout was his first real test and i scored it a lot closer


Wash your mouth out with soap and water....he fought "Magic" Matthew Hatton and "Spice Boy" Ryan Rhodes......


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 06, 2013, 07:49:22 AM

canelos never impressed me trout was his first real test and i scored it a lot closer


Wash your mouth out with soap and water....he fought "Magic" Matthew Hatton and "Spice Boy" Ryan Rhodes......

Lol...
Don't forget about sugar Shane Mosely

Trout had never been down before until Canello



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 07, 2013, 08:23:59 PM
See this Sky Sports undercard, is Calum Smith even in the same weight division as his opponent?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 07, 2013, 09:06:32 PM
See this Sky Sports undercard, is Calum Smith even in the same weight division as his opponent?

Super Middle


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 07, 2013, 09:11:29 PM
See this Sky Sports undercard, is Calum Smith even in the same weight division as his opponent?

Super Middle

Aye where does the weight go tho. That's no the first time on Sky he's looked enormous compared to his opponent!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 07, 2013, 09:14:07 PM
See this Sky Sports undercard, is Calum Smith even in the same weight division as his opponent?

Super Middle

Aye where does the weight go tho. That's no the first time on Sky he's looked enormous compared to his opponent!

Yeh looked good again tho, dem Smith Brothers are a force.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on September 07, 2013, 11:27:30 PM
Back to back "strange" outcomes for Burns no way did he ever deserve a draw tonight on my scorecard, heaven knows how one judge had him a 115-112 winner.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Waz1892 on September 07, 2013, 11:29:26 PM
If the Burns fight was in Mexico tonight and the judges produced those figures to get that result the reaction would have done 100 times worse!

Scandalous judging.

How can you put Burns 3 points up!???


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: OverTheBorder on September 07, 2013, 11:36:46 PM
Seen it coming but what a farce! I had Beltram a few rounds up! My mate said 5 rounds out that the draw was a good bet at 22/1


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 07, 2013, 11:44:39 PM
Seen it coming but what a farce! I had Beltram a few rounds up! My mate said 5 rounds out that the draw was a good bet at 22/1

Said the same to my mate when the ref let Burns get away with rolling around the ring hanging off Beltran for half the fight.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 07, 2013, 11:51:16 PM
Shocking.. Give the guy the rematch that he deserves


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 08, 2013, 12:00:04 AM

shouldnt be surprised by scoring anymore but i fall for it everytime - i gave burns 4 rounds

last two fights hes been out of his depth think everybody got a bit carried away with the way he took apart mitchell



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 08, 2013, 07:11:10 AM
Vile decision. I had it 117-110 to Beltran.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Teacake on September 08, 2013, 09:01:01 AM
Result aside that was unbelievable courage from Burns to finish that fight with a broken jaw.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 08, 2013, 10:11:34 AM
Result aside that was unbelievable courage from Burns to finish that fight with a broken jaw.

Agreed, and excuses the performance to some extent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 08, 2013, 01:52:17 PM
Interview after the fight with Beltran, who comes across as a very classy guy.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I2y9QnNm7g


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 08, 2013, 03:12:44 PM

the judges never seem to be held accountable for the scoring or have to explain themselves. when they release the scorecards you wonder what the hell they have been watching. the same old names are always cropping time and time again

no wonder most people thinks it bent

close fights you cant complain about because it so open to interpretation but sometimes they are just way out

the whole scoring system should be changed or at least simplified from what it is now


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on September 08, 2013, 03:17:25 PM

the judges never seem to be held accountable for the scoring or have to explain themselves. when they release the scorecards you wonder what the hell they have been watching. the same old names are always cropping time and time again

no wonder most people thinks it bent

close fights you cant complain about because it so open to interpretation but sometimes they are just way out

the whole scoring system should be changed or at least simplified from what it is now

There is, of course, an easy to understand system with the amateurs, but the sport will always be mired by accusations of dodgy decisions. I'd say there's a fair chance it's better now than it used to be.

I like your idea of visible accountability, tho.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 08, 2013, 03:43:06 PM

the judges never seem to be held accountable for the scoring or have to explain themselves. when they release the scorecards you wonder what the hell they have been watching. the same old names are always cropping time and time again

no wonder most people thinks it bent

close fights you cant complain about because it so open to interpretation but sometimes they are just way out

the whole scoring system should be changed or at least simplified from what it is now

I hate the way the amateurs are scored.  Realistically a fighter could get a couple of clean but very light punches in early in a round and then get rocked and be totally dominated for the rest of a round and still win that round.  There has to be the ability to score on the more subjective factors like workrate, big punches etc in the pro game.

There is, of course, an easy to understand system with the amateurs, but the sport will always be mired by accusations of dodgy decisions. I'd say there's a fair chance it's better now than it used to be.

I like your idea of visible accountability, tho.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on September 08, 2013, 04:14:38 PM

the judges never seem to be held accountable for the scoring or have to explain themselves. when they release the scorecards you wonder what the hell they have been watching. the same old names are always cropping time and time again

no wonder most people thinks it bent

close fights you cant complain about because it so open to interpretation but sometimes they are just way out

the whole scoring system should be changed or at least simplified from what it is now

There is, of course, an easy to understand system with the amateurs, but the sport will always be mired by accusations of dodgy decisions. I'd say there's a fair chance it's better now than it used to be.

I like your idea of visible accountability, tho.


I hate the way the amateurs are scored.  Realistically a fighter could get a couple of clean but very light punches in early in a round and then get rocked and be totally dominated for the rest of a round and still win that round.  There has to be the ability to score on the more subjective factors like workrate, big punches etc in the pro game.


And I completely agree with that.

But art is fundamentally subjective and this is why this is so difficult to police. I think gymnastics and diving have it about right with the balance of the technical execution and the less tangible elements. They judge not on a head to head basis, though. Sports like Greco Roman wrestling have had terrible trouble in recent years with their archaic scoring systems.

Armchair watchers like to see the ball land on the green, the red drop into the corner pocket and the javelin land further than everyone else's. We like the transparency of those games.

Bring back the old days of 15 rounds and a round ended when someone was floored!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 08, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
Paddy Power have paid out on all Beltran as per if he won on points


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Waz1892 on September 08, 2013, 04:53:25 PM
Burns whole career in doubt according to some reports due to the jaw injury


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 08, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
Really hope Ricky can get through this.  He clearly should have lost the fight but I think you can excuse him the performance given he dislocated his jaw.  All told it was an incredibly gutsy performance really.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 08, 2013, 05:50:44 PM
Burns whole career in doubt according to some reports due to the jaw injury

They are going to hype that stuff up tho, the worse his jaw is then it makes his performance not seem all that bad.

Obv hope it gets fixed an that he carrys on, after all we want too watch the rematch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 10, 2013, 01:25:21 PM
5 days to go

Long live King Canello


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 10, 2013, 01:27:25 PM
5 days to go

Long live King Canello

I watched the All Access series yesterday, and quite like Alvarez after watching.

Think I might have a few quid on him and the draw for a sweat*

*Or pay to watch my money evaporate as Mayweather ghosts his way through 12 rounds


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 10, 2013, 01:51:07 PM
Ive watched 1-3 episodes All Access have u got link for 4th?

Cannelo win KO in 5th


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kano on September 10, 2013, 11:23:45 PM
Can't see past a Mayweather Pts. decision, hoping for a great fight.

I'm looking forward to Garcia vs Matthysse nearly as much as the main fight.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 11, 2013, 10:23:05 AM
Ive watched 1-3 episodes All Access have u got link for 4th?

Cannelo win KO in 5th

I've only seen the first three myself mate, but will post up the 4th once I see it online.

I'd like to think we'll say Mayweather hitting the canvas, but it just never happens...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 11, 2013, 12:57:39 PM
4 days excited


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Omm on September 11, 2013, 09:12:42 PM
I find these odds quite interesting

http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/floyd-mayweather-v-saul-alvarez/final-judgement

Surely it is closer than the odds on for a mayweather unanimous decision? Most experts seem to think it will go the distance and if so it must be worth a couple of quid on each for a split decision?

I don't know enough about boxing so am only going by all of the reports on the tin- ter- net, the under 11.5 market at around 5/2 seems good enough if done with a split decision?

Any thoughts from the blonde experts?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 11, 2013, 09:35:02 PM
I'm no expert, but I would imagine it's either a KO to the ginger assassin, or UD for the Money Team.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 11, 2013, 09:43:24 PM

dont even think canelo has got the power to ko mayweather

split decision for mayweather could be worth a shot at that price as we only saw last week how bent judges can be and the promoters mite want to look after canelo as he still is a cash cow after this fight either way


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 11, 2013, 09:51:19 PM
I find these odds quite interesting

http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/floyd-mayweather-v-saul-alvarez/final-judgement

Surely it is closer than the odds on for a mayweather unanimous decision? Most experts seem to think it will go the distance and if so it must be worth a couple of quid on each for a split decision?

Nope, it's Floyd by UD for me and if anything looks value then it's the UD.  

Floyd's had one SD (vs De La Hoya), 17 UD's and 26 KO's. The recent point wins have been very comfortable despite people writing him off and the late money coming in on his opponents.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 11, 2013, 10:04:25 PM
On another note if you plan on backing Canelo then do it before Friday's weigh in.

There's some % of a chance he comes in over the catch weight of 152lbs, giving him an advantage and his price will shorten. Previously he came in 2lbs over the 150lb catch weight vs Matthew Hatton.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Omm on September 11, 2013, 10:27:31 PM
On another note if you plan on backing Canelo then do it before Friday's weigh in.

There's some % of a chance he comes in over the catch weight of 152lbs, giving him an advantage and his price will shorten. Previously he came in 2lbs over the 150lb catch weight vs Matthew Hatton.

Seems like a bit of a minefield to me, think ill just watch the fight and enjoy it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 11, 2013, 10:50:33 PM
On second thoughts given how much i fancy Floyd on points, split decision can't be too bad a bet.





Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 11, 2013, 11:14:22 PM
I sometimes do round betting for sweats, might burn a few quid on them.

Split decision 14-1? Might worth a £10

Shame about Oscar Del Hoya, good timing pal. Sigh


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 11, 2013, 11:30:10 PM
I might do the draw, at least you get a sweat until they read the scores out :D

Probably not a bad idea golden boy has gone to rehab now... last thing Alvarez needs is one of the extras from Fear and Loathing floating about during the biggest weekend of his life!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 12, 2013, 10:12:06 PM
Tell you what boxers are not renowned for their wit during media sessions but Floyd came out with this beauty, "I beat Hatton and Cotto, not their brothers."


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on September 12, 2013, 10:14:46 PM
He also said he didn't care about Alvarez's record. "He's 42-0 but he hasn't fought 42 Floyd Mayweathers, or his record would be 0-42".

I liked that.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 12, 2013, 10:45:55 PM
I think this is set up for a Mayweather masterclass.  Canelo will struggle to lay a glove on him as Mayweather will have got his shots off and be out of range before Canelo sets his feet never mind throws a punch.  I've not had a bet yet as I want to see how Canelo looks at the weigh in as he hasn't made 152 for over two years and I got the impression that he was pretty tight at 154.  Losing that last two pounds will be painful.





Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 12, 2013, 10:54:22 PM
He must be an absolute NAP to come in over 152lb.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: donttiltboy on September 12, 2013, 11:53:21 PM
I honestly think canelo will do it, maybe blinded by the fact I've been following him for a while now, cant wait for the garcia fight aswell


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 13, 2013, 12:17:12 PM
I honestly think canelo will do it, maybe blinded by the fact I've been following him for a while now, cant wait for the garcia fight aswell

Hope so.

Also All Access No4 is available..

2/3 days to go Buzzing


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 13, 2013, 07:54:58 PM

any idea what time the weighs in are??

doesnt look like its being shown on tv over here anyway


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 13, 2013, 08:32:36 PM

any idea what time the weighs in are??

doesnt look like its being shown on tv over here anyway

It's 6pm this evening in Vegas, so for us I think it will be roughly 2 am... Will try and wake up to watch it..

Going towards Mayweather being down in late rounds but knicking it by split decision..  :dontask:

Want Canelo to win tho


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 13, 2013, 08:34:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SwK7KW8Iiw

will be on here whenever it is dont think i can last 2am tonight!!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 13, 2013, 11:09:11 PM


weigh ins now

http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 13, 2013, 11:23:30 PM


weigh ins now

http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html

love that channel


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 13, 2013, 11:24:31 PM
wow Canelo was bang on 152lbs, not such a NAP afterall


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 13, 2013, 11:36:49 PM
What a load of shite Box Nation is... I mean how the fack do they not have the weigh in on there channel.. Sigh  ;frustrated;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on September 14, 2013, 12:32:52 AM
Every time Mayweather fights, we hear that the other guy is the one who is going to take him down, yet the fights keep turning out to be easy wins. Since he fought De La Hoya, no-one except Cotto has been able to hold their own against him. I give Mayweather credit for taking on a potentially tougher fight against Alvarez when he could have taken a much easier one against Marquez or Pacquiao. Alvarez will be around 170 by fight-time, which is a big advantage. He didn't have much to spare over Trout, though. Hard to see him lasting against Mayweather.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on September 14, 2013, 01:28:09 PM
Mayweather UD is pretty nailed on imo. I'm hoping for Canelo though.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 14, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
What time they expected in the ring ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 14, 2013, 04:35:54 PM
Mayweather has hit a big looking 1.4 for those that can get on with B'Win, it beat's a liquid Betfair and Pinnacle market.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on September 14, 2013, 06:09:49 PM
What time they expected in the ring ?

A few forums saying circa 4am.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: pleno1 on September 14, 2013, 06:12:12 PM
di canio sent off today and a home loss and sitting bottom of the league tonight.

did you ever bet on that btw?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 14, 2013, 06:30:37 PM
di canio sent off today and a home loss and sitting bottom of the league tonight.

did you ever bet on that btw?

yes buddy, we all bet on Sunderland to get KO'd by Arsenal


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: tikay on September 14, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
di canio sent off today and a home loss and sitting bottom of the league tonight.

did you ever bet on that btw?

yes buddy, we all bet on Sunderland to get KO'd by Arsenal

Very good Mr Mc!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 14, 2013, 06:38:51 PM
What time they expected in the ring ?

think it will be 5ish

garcia vs matthyse about 4ish



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 14, 2013, 09:16:51 PM
Galahad v Dickens on Channel 5 now.  Just started.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/09/kid-galahad-vs-jazza-dickens-this-saturday-september-14th/


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 14, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Great scrap so far.  Half-way through the fight and it could go either way.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 14, 2013, 09:42:05 PM
Go on the Kid!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 14, 2013, 09:50:23 PM
Got absolutely no idea how the judges will be scoring this!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 14, 2013, 09:53:25 PM
Galahad took it out of the judges' hands.  Good fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 14, 2013, 09:55:21 PM
Yeah, good for the fans that one.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
looking forward to the biggun tonight, watched all the showtime episodes. Think Mayweather is going to be too quick for the youngster.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 04:51:27 AM
On soon, anyone watching?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2013, 05:18:15 AM
On soon, anyone watching?

 :hello:


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: OverTheBorder on September 15, 2013, 05:24:24 AM
 :hello:


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 05:26:18 AM
these pay per view bouts do have a huge knack of being later than billed!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2013, 05:28:28 AM
Viva Meckicooooooooo!!!!!  ;kev;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 15, 2013, 05:28:39 AM
yup up and excited.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: OverTheBorder on September 15, 2013, 05:34:16 AM
Bieber though WTF


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 15, 2013, 05:35:36 AM
Haha, got some bloke who looks like he needs a meal on his right shouting a load of bollocks and Justin Bieber on his left...

Come on Alvarez time to make yourself a legend son!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 05:36:52 AM
so canelo gained nearly a stone overnight? the weigh in was yesterday right? wow.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 15, 2013, 05:39:56 AM
Haha, got some bloke who looks like he needs a meal on his right shouting a load of bollocks and Justin Bieber on his left...

Come on Alvarez time to make yourself a legend son!

That walk on was like a parody..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: OverTheBorder on September 15, 2013, 05:41:21 AM
so canelo gained nearly a stone overnight? the weigh in was yesterday right? wow.

Scary, I expected him to look bigger than Mayweather, thinking Floyd for this


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 15, 2013, 05:46:23 AM
Haha, got some bloke who looks like he needs a meal on his right shouting a load of bollocks and Justin Bieber on his left...

Come on Alvarez time to make yourself a legend son!

That walk on was like a parody..

Must have cost Bieber a 6 figure charitable donation to be allowed on the firm ;D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on September 15, 2013, 05:58:22 AM
I think Mayweather is going to stop him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 06:05:12 AM
whose winning after 6?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 15, 2013, 06:06:32 AM
whose winning after 6?

You not watching Ant?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 15, 2013, 06:10:53 AM
Thing I find disappointing about mayweather is that he doesn't go for the finish.  He had him there and went on backfoot


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 06:14:28 AM
i am but the stream i have is as jolty as hell


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 15, 2013, 06:15:41 AM
i am but the stream i have is as jolty as hell

http://www.viplivesports.eu/boxing/176218/1/boxnation-showtime-ppv-:-floyd-mayweather-vs-canelo-alvarez-square-live-stream-online.html

Try that one mate, not had any problems yet.


Mayweather is home and dry, unless he gets knocked out...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 06:19:15 AM
works great tyty


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TheDazzler on September 15, 2013, 06:29:24 AM
Too easy. His defence is insane.

Edit: A draw on one card!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 15, 2013, 06:32:02 AM
lol women judges 114-114!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 15, 2013, 06:32:29 AM
Absolutely ridiculous that the bird finds it a draw, anyone on the UD should be doing their nut!!

What was she doing for the last 45 minutes, her nails?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 06:34:45 AM
Absolutely ridiculous that the bird finds it a draw, anyone on the UD should be doing their nut!!

What was she doing for the last 45 minutes, her nails?

Can you fit in anymore sexist remarks? I think she was applying her makeup myself.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 15, 2013, 06:36:57 AM
The 116-112 card was a joke never mind te 114-114. Unreal.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on September 15, 2013, 06:39:57 AM
I think it will be a guy that can try and match him with his speed who will have a chance, not a strong puncher necessarily. Is there anyone out there at all. How would Khan fare?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2013, 06:42:44 AM
Absolutely ridiculous that the bird finds it a draw, anyone on the UD should be doing their nut!!

What was she doing for the last 45 minutes, her nails?

Apparently she was the judge that gave the win too Bradley vs Manny... Lol

Calls for her too be banned from judging after that.. No Shit


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 15, 2013, 06:45:25 AM
I think it will be a guy that can try and match him with his speed who will have a chance, not a strong puncher necessarily. Is there anyone out there at all. How would Khan fare?

Khan's at least has the tools for the job but in reality Mayweather is going to cruise through every bout and retire undefeated.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 15, 2013, 06:48:02 AM
Absolutely ridiculous that the bird finds it a draw, anyone on the UD should be doing their nut!!

What was she doing for the last 45 minutes, her nails?

Apparently she was the judge that gave the win too Bradley vs Manny... Lol

Calls for her too be banned from judging after that.. No Shit

Quite right too, bit of a joke if someone gets turned over in a close bout because she is playing noughts and crosses with her scorecard!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2013, 06:50:26 AM
Absolutely ridiculous that the bird finds it a draw, anyone on the UD should be doing their nut!!

What was she doing for the last 45 minutes, her nails?

Apparently she was the judge that gave the win too Bradley vs Manny... Lol

Calls for her too be banned from judging after that.. No Shit

Quite right too, bit of a joke if someone gets turned over in a close bout because she is playing noughts and crosses with her scorecard!

Lol


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2013, 06:53:20 AM
Yeh it would be good for him too fight Kahn but I only say that so we can all go and watch Mayweather at Wemburlee, no chance Kahn could win, some of them shots tonight would cause Kahn problems..

Only 1 Man on the planet that could beat Mayweather and his name is MANNY PAC


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on September 15, 2013, 07:59:43 AM
I think it will be a guy that can try and match him with his speed who will have a chance, not a strong puncher necessarily. Is there anyone out there at all. How would Khan fare?

Bus fare is how Kahn would get on..

I don't even think Pacman would touch him judging by his last couple of fights. Floyd is just too good defenceivly.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 15, 2013, 11:51:14 AM

total masterclass again from mayweather not a lot more you can say about him

khan fight would never happen in england mayweather fights are worth too much money in vegas. khan hasnt really done anything to earn the fight either. theres a few fights out there alexander bradley broner garcia see if middleweights would go down in weight for a payday. cant see any of them troubling him, pacman is finished now the peds dont seem to be working like they use to for him

thought garcia mattyhsse was great stuff aswell - his eye the super slo mo camera work that followed the gumshield into the crowd the last 20 seconds of the last round all brilliant

i mentioned in the week theres always at least 1 judge who is a crackpot and it happened again haha


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 17, 2013, 05:11:07 PM


froch groves tickets went onsale today sold out in 15 minutes apparently

also rumours started by froch that groves and booth have split


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 17, 2013, 05:56:21 PM


froch groves tickets went onsale today sold out in 15 minutes apparently

also rumours started by froch that groves and booth have split

Has since been confirmed. That doesn't make Groves' task any easier.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 17, 2013, 07:36:50 PM

with booth as trainer i probably fancied a froch points win

without froch stoppage

any news on who his new trainer is??

was he also his manager and been together since he started?? very strange


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 21, 2013, 12:51:00 PM
Really disappointing news that David Haye has pulled out of the fight due to a cut.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 21, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
Really disappointing news that David Haye has pulled out of the fight due to a cut.

Yeh just heard, from the photo shown he got no choice..

Sigh


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 21, 2013, 05:12:19 PM

gutted about this was going to the fight

typical haye how many fights has he pulled out of with one thing or another

cant see it happening at all now either - fury will have none of it incase it happens again

not sure where haye can go after this might aswell go back into retirement


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on September 21, 2013, 10:06:52 PM
Can't believe people were going to pay £15 to watch that fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on September 21, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
Can't believe people were going to pay £15 to watch that fight.

To be fair I just renewed my Box nation online subscription for a tenner and really "Funtime" Frankie Gavin should be paying me a tenner to watch him fight.....at least Fury and Haye are value for it!!!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 21, 2013, 10:55:30 PM
Is Saunders on next?



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 21, 2013, 10:58:32 PM
Is Saunders on next?



nah he's last on a monster card. it's del boy, 2 follow on fights then saunders vs ryder.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 21, 2013, 11:01:18 PM
Is Saunders on next?



nah he's last on a monster card. it's del boy, 2 follow on fights then saunders vs ryder.

Cheers, was hoping to know if I was out of it for the day before UFC.

I'll have to prepare my escape plan in case he doesn't :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 22, 2013, 12:42:34 AM
Draw on the way?

;D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 22, 2013, 01:18:32 AM
Draw on the way?

;D

should be interesting, I've much more in favour of Ryder than the commentators.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 22, 2013, 01:28:59 AM
Draw on the way?

;D

should be interesting, I've much more in favour of Ryder than the commentators.

I feel robbed, was already spending the monkey after that last round...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 24, 2013, 07:21:43 PM

haye fury back on feb 8th in manchester all tickets still valid for it


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on September 24, 2013, 09:03:06 PM

haye fury back on feb 8th in manchester all tickets still valid for it

Glad it's back on, but Feb.. Sigh


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 27, 2013, 03:17:24 PM

any opinions on stevenson vs cloud

im always wary of these big punchers i just never fancy them to do the job up against somebody with no reputation of being chinny.

if it wasnt in canada i would be more than tempted by cloud points 9/1 but due to the home advantage stevenson points 4/1 i dont mind

also the under / overs on rounds are some nice prices.

bellew fights the winner for the world title end of nov


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 27, 2013, 08:02:39 PM

any opinions on stevenson vs cloud

im always wary of these big punchers i just never fancy them to do the job up against somebody with no reputation of being chinny.

if it wasnt in canada i would be more than tempted by cloud points 9/1 but due to the home advantage stevenson points 4/1 i dont mind

also the under / overs on rounds are some nice prices.

bellew fights the winner for the world title end of nov

I have had a decent bet on Cloud at 5/2, I made him more like 7/4.  Stevenson has improved and his demolition of Dawson obviously caught the eye but that aside he hasn't been in with anyone remotely world class and has been stopped himself.  He obviously has impressive power and is the bigger puncher of the two but Cloud has operated at a higher level for longer and has a decent chin.  I'm not a huge fan of Cloud but can't see how he is ever a 5/2 shot here.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 28, 2013, 01:03:12 PM

yeh that was my thinking really

cloud looked all at sea against hopkins but he does that to everyone.

as always you can look daft when he gets caught and knocked out in a couple of rounds


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 28, 2013, 06:29:55 PM


maybe of interest to some on here

mike tyson is touring his one man show next year

london glasgow manchester

tickets are onsale on ticketmaster can get a meet and great with a signed glove


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 29, 2013, 12:01:33 AM
I've tailed you guys on a Cloud.

Stevensons win over Dawson raises his stock and shortens his price but he can't of learned much from such a quick victory. Additionally cloud does have the reach advantage and a good work rate.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 29, 2013, 01:48:44 AM
Ship it this Canadian card is on Sky Sports so we can record it instead of staying up for a stream.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 29, 2013, 04:17:35 AM
meh that was like superman vs boy


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 29, 2013, 04:25:05 AM

good performance looked better than i thought he was

 not sure why cloud seemed surprised stevenson was throwin the left all the time

bellew hasnt got a hope - not got the power to keep him off or the skills to win on points away. struggles to win on points at home


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on September 29, 2013, 11:02:37 AM
That was impressive from Stevenson. Showed a lot more ability than I gave him credit for. I don't like Bellew's chances much. Stevenson v Kovalev in a unification fight would be interesting.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on September 29, 2013, 01:20:13 PM
A big complement to Stevenson would be that I cannot remember a competitive fight whereby one fighter struggled to get into range as badly as Cloud did last night.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on September 29, 2013, 05:02:03 PM

stevenson vs kovalev would be a fun fight would like to see that


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on September 30, 2013, 12:15:41 AM
That was impressive from Stevenson. Showed a lot more ability than I gave him credit for. I don't like Bellew's chances much. Stevenson v Kovalev in a unification fight would be interesting.

Technically much better than I thought.

Well that fight wouldn't go to points!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 01, 2013, 10:57:42 AM
Looking ahead to Saturday night one fight that stands out is a clash between prizefighter champions Larry Ekundayo and Glenn Foot in an eliminator for the British Welterweight title.

Other fights might not be as competitive as an acca on Lee Selby, Luke Campbell, Wlad Klitschko, Kevin Mitchell, Anthony Joshua and Scott Quigg is 2/3 odds on. Fast Car Eddie has dome some job in picking out an Italian 8-0 fighter that he can big up as being a tough, unbeaten, debut opponent for Joshua, maybe the bookies have caught onto his false talk as Joshua is 25-1 on to win the bout.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 01, 2013, 01:00:12 PM

ekundayo fight is off injured last week

might have a look at quigg stoppage when the prices come out

i would really like to see povetkin do something with klitschko hes got him fighting away from germany and there is a rumour hes got chisora on his team to supervise the klit hand wrapping which is funny if true

interesting to see how quickly the olympians are progressed with all the international experience and top coaching they already have under there belts.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 01, 2013, 01:11:14 PM
thanks Malt, where'd you find the info on Ekundayo and the Chisora hand wrapping thing?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 01, 2013, 01:18:44 PM


boxing news website

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/latest/news/alexander-povetkin-enlists-help-of-maniac-dereck-chisora-for-wladimir-klitschko-fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 01, 2013, 01:26:13 PM
Thanks again. If anyone hasn't seen him already check out Kugan Cassius for IFilmLondon, the guy is raising the bar for interviewers.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 01, 2013, 01:41:08 PM

yeh the ifilm interviews are quality

britishboxersuk on youtube are good aswell they dont do as many as ifilm and its a different style but they have some good long interviews on old fighters whole careers if you like that sort of thing - its more north west based



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 03, 2013, 01:43:46 PM
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/243901.html

Don't think Khan deserves the fight, but would be fun while it lasts, he is a poor mans Pacman but always exciting to watch. Certainly has a punchers chance, but I imagine Mayweather will school him.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 03, 2013, 01:51:27 PM
"Floyd has seen off the tough, heavy punchers," Stephen Espinosa, head of sport for Showtime TV, said. "It remains to be seen what he will do against extreme speed and I like the Khan fight very much."

What a load of bottom gravy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 03, 2013, 02:55:53 PM
It's great news that this could be happening. I'd also argue that Khan has earned this fight in that this is a fight people want to see happen and will pay good money to watch. Money makes fights and we should give Amir Khan credit for getting himself into a position to receive what must easily be the biggest pay day ever for a British boxer.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 03, 2013, 03:07:20 PM
It's great news that this could be happening. I'd also argue that Khan has earned this fight in that this is a fight people want to see happen and will pay good money to watch. Money makes fights and we should give Amir Khan credit for getting himself into a position to receive what must easily be the biggest pay day ever for a British boxer.

Maybe. I saw him take one in the face from Garcia.

Good job those tickets were comped.

;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 03, 2013, 03:17:09 PM
It's great news that this could be happening. I'd also argue that Khan has earned this fight in that this is a fight people want to see happen and will pay good money to watch. Money makes fights and we should give Amir Khan credit for getting himself into a position to receive what must easily be the biggest pay day ever for a British boxer.

I don't share your enthusiasm mate. I can't get excited about someone getting an opportunity that they don't deserve.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 03, 2013, 03:28:31 PM
It's great news that this could be happening. I'd also argue that Khan has earned this fight in that this is a fight people want to see happen and will pay good money to watch. Money makes fights and we should give Amir Khan credit for getting himself into a position to receive what must easily be the biggest pay day ever for a British boxer.

I don't share your enthusiasm mate. I can't get excited about someone getting an opportunity that they don't deserve.

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/2011/images/dancers/audley_harrison624x351.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 03, 2013, 03:44:00 PM
Bit harsh, Mr Shoelace. He was ok on Strictly.

Oh you mean his boxing?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 03, 2013, 03:49:54 PM
Bit harsh, Mr Shoelace. He was ok on Strictly.

Oh you mean his boxing?

He also got a Full Tilt Red Pro deal, back in the day.

Fair play to him for it all though. I actually interviewed him once and he was super nice - which probably explains why he had such a problem hitting people.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 03, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
It's great news that this could be happening. I'd also argue that Khan has earned this fight in that this is a fight people want to see happen and will pay good money to watch. Money makes fights and we should give Amir Khan credit for getting himself into a position to receive what must easily be the biggest pay day ever for a British boxer.

Who want's to see this fight ?

Other than to put your net on Mayweather, I see no point in this fight.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 03, 2013, 07:59:52 PM
It's great news that this could be happening. I'd also argue that Khan has earned this fight in that this is a fight people want to see happen and will pay good money to watch. Money makes fights and we should give Amir Khan credit for getting himself into a position to receive what must easily be the biggest pay day ever for a British boxer.

Who want's to see this fight ?

Other than to put your net on Mayweather, I see no point in this fight.



 ;indestructable;

Well I did when I thought it would take place in the UK, cause I could see a big blonde gathering for boxing, drinking and maybe some pokerz,err nah more drinking...

But now it's in Vegas sigh, not all that fussed... Mayweather will get another KO on his record that's all...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 03, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Yeah would've been fun if over here, agree he will KO Kahn.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 03, 2013, 08:07:38 PM
I want to see it, if nothing else it will be an exciting fight that ends in a KO.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 04, 2013, 08:49:06 PM

i would like to see mayweather khan but it has been denied all over the place

khan doesnt deserve a shot but in boxing deserve it doesnt really come into it

mayweather has been know to throw out a fake name to test the water see how it goes does down then improve on it.

i know khans chin isnt too clever but mayweather hasnt had a legit ko since hatton headbutted the ringpost got to be points agai


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 05, 2013, 12:09:36 AM
Wlad is solidly on the drift today. A crooked points decision aside can anyone make a case for Povetkin?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 11:29:38 AM

is he really??

cant really make a case for him can you -  but theres been conspiracy theories about this fight since the purse bid number was revealed


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 11:42:32 AM

any thoughts on joshua points win 6/1

i just think the priority in joshuas opponents early on will be for them to be feather fisted and they wont mind him getting rounds in rather than blasting out a string of stiffs

 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 05, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
Povetkin was 8.0 on Betfair now 4.0, Vlad has gone from 1.17 to 1.40 by all means that was an enormous drift.

On paper Povetkin looks outmatched. He's a good all round boxer but Wlad specialises in utilising his size and beating smaller men. Since he regained his title vs Peter you've had to have something about you just to avoid being stopped by him. 

Yesterday's layers obviously know something we don't and a home points bias is well known to everyone.

RE Joshua on points it's similar reasoning to Ogogo who stopped both fighters on his sky card but won on points over in the USA. Never underestimate Eddie Hearns ability to find an opponent to make his own fighter look surprisingly good.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 05, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Povetkin was 8.0 on Betfair now 4.0, Vlad has gone from 1.17 to 1.40 by all means that was an enormous drift.

On paper Povetkin looks outmatched. He's a good all round boxer but Wlad specialises in utilising his size and beating smaller men. Since he regained his title vs Peter you've had to have something about you just to avoid being stopped by him. 

Yesterday's layers obviously know something we don't and a home points bias is well known to everyone.

RE Joshua on points it's similar reasoning to Ogogo who stopped both fighters on his sky card but won on points over in the USA. Never underestimate Eddie Hearns ability to find an opponent to make his own fighter look surprisingly good.

It's a helluva move.  I mean Wlad keeps him on the end of his jab all night, Povetkin doesn't have the tools to trouble him.  Strange goings on.

I'll be surprised if Joshua goes past the 3rd round.  The opponent will have been selected to make him look good.

I think Quigg's opponent is being overlooked a tad.  300+ amateur fights and from the footage I've seen he looks capable.  Quigg has also been on the floor against indifferent opposition, so has a questionable chin. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 05, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
Gone with:

Wladimir by stoppage @evens after commish on betfair
Kevin Mitchell rounds 1-6 @6/4 with Sky
Scott Quigg by stoppage 11/10 with Ladbrokes


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 08:29:39 PM

agogos a golden boy fighter but i get your point

my thinking behind joshua is that the lack of being able to bang will be the primary concern with his opposition until about 16/20 fights in

they wont want there gold medal heavyweight cash cow under any kind of pressure at all

to get that they might have to take a more durable sort and its his debut a lot of hype and pressure to put on a show it might not all click.

after all hes what 1/12 to win ko my 6/1 points is more of a banzai!!!!

interesting its a 6 rounder and not a 4 to start off with

quigg stoppage for me i think hes the real deal always impressed by him and his oppo has question marks over his chin in the amateurs also

selby points

klit points

joshua points


any opinions on selby he bores me but is well thought of everywhere


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 05, 2013, 08:51:58 PM
I rate Selby. Needs stepped up though ad I agree he isn't the easiest on the eye.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 10:16:45 PM

bit grim the klit fight dont know how povetkin held on til the better end he looked out on his feet

did notice last round he came out with his tape undone to buy him a breather

dont think i will bother watching another fight with him its the same old story


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 05, 2013, 10:45:21 PM
The rumour with the Klitschko fight was the Russian Mafia were backing Povetkin.  I backed Klitschko in the end because it was just too big and whilst you always have a risk you have literally no chance Vlad doesn't seem the sort to be involved and that is a lot to overcome and I assume they bring their own supplies etc.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 10:53:11 PM

at one stage there was a rumour povetkin was backed by russian gangsters and he use to do behind closed doors fights for them

could explain that huge purse bid

good luck to the judges who tried fix the score of that fight tho - and if anything the ref was favouring klit aswell

quiggs on now a lot less seedy - the most controversial thing he has done is accidentally over charge somebody in his nans chippy by 5 pence



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 11:03:37 PM


needs to up the pace abit here quigg he could be being distracted by the size of salinas shorts


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on October 05, 2013, 11:06:59 PM
Must admit I was very worried after the first 2 rounds but I think Quigg is going to push on comfortably from here.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 11:15:19 PM

still a bit of a worry this - i like quigg points now if everyones been paid off properly

hearn doesnt half stitch up his fighters with these south american mysteries who turn out to be more than decent


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 05, 2013, 11:41:47 PM

a draw - blimey

nicked it for me

gallaghers done this before holds em back a round or two too long

crolla matthews last time also ended a draw


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 05, 2013, 11:44:29 PM

a draw - blimey

nicked it for me

gallaghers done this before holds em back a round or two too long

crolla matthews last time also ended a draw

I thought it was a pretty east fight to score. The only round that was particularly close was the 4th. If you give that to Quigg it's 115-113 if not then 114-114. Left himself too much to do and struggled to land anything early doors.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 05, 2013, 11:55:16 PM
Joshua taking it to the streets, hand around the neck like a bar brawl :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 06, 2013, 12:00:16 AM
Joshua taking it to the streets, hand around the neck like a bar brawl :D

the other fella fought like he had just smoked an ounce of joshuas gear


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on October 06, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
Joshua taking it to the streets, hand around the neck like a bar brawl :D

and the Italian looked like the hard man from my local pub.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 06, 2013, 12:57:55 AM
Eddie has given it the spiel about unbeaten fighter etc. It was apparent from the bell he probably picked his 8 wins up at the youth club :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 06, 2013, 01:29:08 AM

flirted with going to bed but.....

anyone staying up for cotto??


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on October 06, 2013, 01:35:23 AM

a draw - blimey

nicked it for me

gallaghers done this before holds em back a round or two too long

crolla matthews last time also ended a draw

I thought it was a pretty east fight to score. The only round that was particularly close was the 4th. If you give that to Quigg it's 115-113 if not then 114-114. Left himself too much to do and struggled to land anything early doors.

Totally this.  So many British fighters these days seem happy to just concede the first few rounds and rely on their fitness in the latter rounds.  Quite a few get away with it (Jamie McDonnell springs to mind) but so many seem surprised when this then happens.  He was undoubtedly the better fighter but it isn't like they don't know the scoring system going in.  It is one thing if you have heavy hands but when you are a fighter like Quigg that is going to struggle to put them away at this level then giving away 4 of the first 4/5 rounds is tough to overcome against a capable opponent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 06, 2013, 01:47:56 AM

flirted with going to bed but.....

anyone staying up for cotto??

Normally I  would, but I don't fancy watching another 12 rounds, and I need to get on a few of the Horses at Longchamps when the bookies reset the prices.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on October 12, 2013, 01:40:56 PM
It's a special one tonight. Lomachenko's first pro fight - against Ramirez, WBO's 7th-ranked contender. He is guaranteed a world title fight for his second fight. There's no doubt that Lomachenko warrants the fast-tracking - he may have been the best amateur ever (396-1, 2 Olympic Golds, 2 World Golds) and he could do the same as a pro. He did have 6 semi-pro fights (6-0), whatever they are.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 12, 2013, 09:30:01 PM

semi pro is the wsb - world series of boxing its a team event without headguards and i think they are paid but its still amateur

should be on sky they are showing jmm vs bradley and its on that card

refreshing to see amazing amateurs thrown in they are usually over protected

jmm bradley should be a cracker aswell if bradley comes out like he did in his last fight

marquez is 40 now!!!!





Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 21, 2013, 01:27:25 AM
Watched Mayweather vs DLH on youtube last night as I'd never seen the full 12 rounds before, didn't actually think it was that close and Mayweather was clear winner imo, was nice to see someone actually land a punch vs him though and was a great effort by DLH, not looking to open up a can of worms on the result :)

So anyways, any classic boxing matches people would recommend watching that are on youtube ? Without spoilers please which is why I'm not just googleing class boxing fights.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on October 21, 2013, 07:06:56 AM

Check out Barrera vs Erik Morales pal, can't put link up because I don't know how to do it...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 22, 2013, 08:03:47 PM

Check out Barrera vs Erik Morales pal, can't put link up because I don't know how to do it...

Thought Barrera won 1st and Morales won 2nd, haven't watched 3rd yet :)

1st battle was ridic, such a war.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 22, 2013, 08:09:13 PM

Check out Barrera vs Erik Morales pal, can't put link up because I don't know how to do it...

Thought Barrera won 1st and Morales won 2nd, haven't watched 3rd yet :)

1st battle was ridic, such a war.

My favourite ever boxer. Watching him throw >100 punches round after round and wear his opponents down was a total joy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 22, 2013, 08:24:28 PM

Check out Barrera vs Erik Morales pal, can't put link up because I don't know how to do it...

Thought Barrera won 1st and Morales won 2nd, haven't watched 3rd yet :)

1st battle was ridic, such a war.

My favourite ever boxer. Watching him throw >100 punches round after round and wear his opponents down was a total joy.

Which one  ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 22, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
Yeah, Barrera was robbed in the first fight.

If you want to watch some wars - make sure you watch Ward v Gatti.  All three are excellent fights.

I'd also recommend watching as many fights involving Hagler, Leonard, Hearns and Duran - especially when they fought each other.

Honeyghan v Curry was a cracker too.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 22, 2013, 10:09:31 PM
Barrera vs Morales 1 is for me the greatest fight of all time.

The Gatti vs Ward encounters are awesome

I always had a soft spot for the Holyfield vs Bowe series

Most early Nigel Benn fights too, always a tear up

The first Barrera vs Pacman blew my mind (did they fight more than once)

A strangely compelling pair of fights was the two Eubanks vs Carl Thompson fights.





Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 22, 2013, 10:35:00 PM
Corrales v Castillo I is definitely worth a watch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on October 23, 2013, 12:37:26 AM
Hagler vs Hearns is brilliant.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 23, 2013, 01:40:51 AM

Check out Barrera vs Erik Morales pal, can't put link up because I don't know how to do it...

Wow at the 3rd fight, 11th and 12th rounds were unreal.

EPIC Trilogy.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 23, 2013, 01:41:17 AM
Cheers all for the recommendations.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 23, 2013, 06:22:20 PM
Yeah, Barrera was robbed in the first fight.

If you want to watch some wars - make sure you watch Ward v Gatti.  All three are excellent fights.

I'd also recommend watching as many fights involving Hagler, Leonard, Hearns and Duran - especially when they fought each other.

Honeyghan v Curry was a cracker too.

Watched the Trilogy last night, thought the 1st and 3rd fights were both amazing fights, 2nd was decent but wasn't really competitive to see it as a classic.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 23, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Yeah, Barrera was robbed in the first fight.

If you want to watch some wars - make sure you watch Ward v Gatti.  All three are excellent fights.

I'd also recommend watching as many fights involving Hagler, Leonard, Hearns and Duran - especially when they fought each other.

Honeyghan v Curry was a cracker too.

Watched the Trilogy last night, thought the 1st and 3rd fights were both amazing fights, 2nd was decent but wasn't really competitive to see it as a classic.

Didn't want to include any spoilers ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 23, 2013, 08:22:20 PM
For the sheer spectacle and the occasion, the Hamed v Kelley fight is always worth a watch :)

Remember watching it when it happened, I was living in Japan at the time, and it defined 'edge of the seat' viewing.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 08:26:41 PM
For the sheer spectacle and the occasion, the Hamed v Kelley fight is always worth a watch :)

Yes this.

To give Monda some context, Hamed was blowing everyone away at the time and never been in a war before.

Hamed's dismantling of Steve Robinson was about as thorough as it gets in a world title fight from a challenger.

Calzaghe vs Eubanks was quite an entertaining fight too



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 23, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
For the sheer spectacle and the occasion, the Hamed v Kelley fight is always worth a watch :)

Yes this.

To give Monda some context, Hamed was blowing everyone away at the time and never been in a war before.

Hamed's dismantling of Steve Robinson was about as thorough as it gets in a world title fight from a challenger.

Calzaghe vs Eubanks was quite an entertaining fight too



Despite not having much interest in boxing he was that popular at the time I was aware of Prince Naz demolishing everyone in his sights.

I'm like them twats fortunate few that come into the TV thread and ask something along the long the lines of "Never seen Breaking Bad, should I watch it, is it any good ?"  ;hide;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 08:34:40 PM
Mickey Ward vs Shea Neary was also good

There was one really good Amir Khan fight, about 3 years ago, was it Madaina?

Lennox Lewis vs Klitschko was deec


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 23, 2013, 08:36:44 PM
For the sheer spectacle and the occasion, the Hamed v Kelley fight is always worth a watch :)

Yes this.

To give Monda some context, Hamed was blowing everyone away at the time and never been in a war before.

Hamed's dismantling of Steve Robinson was about as thorough as it gets in a world title fight from a challenger.

Calzaghe vs Eubanks was quite an entertaining fight too



Despite not having much interest in boxing he was that popular at the time I was aware of Prince Naz demolishing everyone in his sights.

I'm like them twats fortunate few that come into the TV thread and ask something along the long the lines of "Never seen Breaking Bad, should I watch it, is it any good ?"  ;hide;

Naz was all well and good, but he fought a proper boxer and got his comeuppance (Barrera)

Hatton was fun to watch, just because of his sheer determination.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
Danny Williams vs Mark Potter - but you kinda have to avoid spoilers to really appreciate it


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 08:39:47 PM
I think Naz was the most gifted boxer in terms of punch and reflexes, his attitude is what stopped him being a legend

IMO the hardest pound for pound punch of all time


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 23, 2013, 08:51:59 PM
I think Naz was the most gifted boxer in terms of punch and reflexes, his attitude is what stopped him being a legend

IMO the hardest pound for pound punch of all time

It's a fair shout, although tough to compare from such a light weight. Ron Lyle could throw a punch, but never won a world title because there were two or three other fellas around in the 1970s. He almost beat Ali, but this is one of the greatest fights I've ever seen, despite being only four rounds long. Absolutely brutal.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AVcEyyMco


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 23, 2013, 08:58:25 PM
I think Naz was the most gifted boxer in terms of punch and reflexes, his attitude is what stopped him being a legend

IMO the hardest pound for pound punch of all time

I was at uni in Sheffield as Naz went through his journey to beat Robinson and become World Champion.  I followed his progress avidly, and he was an amazing talent and an excellent boxer.  Obviously a cocky little shit, but actually seemed like a decent lad as well.  I met him in the VIP bar after the Benn v Malinga fight in Newcastle (friend of mine worked for Golden Wonder at the time who where the fight sponsors that night).  Anyway, had a chat with him and he was happy to talk for a while.  A friend of mine randomly ended up playing pool with Naz, and he said he was nothing like he expected and was a actually a good lad. There was also all the stuff he did for charity in and around Sheffield, usually on the quiet.

But I think he was affected by his fame and his entourage, and the accident he had when he nearly killed a bloke was a culmination of him getting too big for his boots imo.  Such a shame, as I also think he could have done much better against Barrera if he'd continued to train and focus on his boxing as much as he had earlier in his career.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
Funny you mention that, my dad knew the guy who owned the snooker club where Naz played pool and everyone who went there said he was a really down to earth chappy.

Did you see the documentary about the build up to Naz vs Barrera? Pretty much summed up why he lost, Naz was fretting about his hotel room and flying in his hairdresser from sheffield, Barrera was training in a public spit and sawdust gym. With a proper work ethic, Naz would have been the greatest.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 23, 2013, 09:05:34 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXN8rQGhJo4

5:20 is the start of the fight.  Don't blink :D

7:30 to watch it in slo-mo ;)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 09:10:01 PM
Remember that one, as soon as I saw the green gloves I knew which one it was.

Monda, dont watch this vid below until you have seen the Kelly fight:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXcgZ84ndk


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 23, 2013, 09:11:35 PM
Funny you mention that, my dad knew the guy who owned the snooker club where Naz played pool and everyone who went there said he was a really down to earth chappy.

Was it in the Eccleshall Road/London Road area?

My mate didn't watch boxing, but had heard me going on about Naz a fair bit so couldn't wait to tell me all about it when he saw me in lectures.

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Did you see the documentary about the build up to Naz vs Barrera? Pretty much summed up why he lost, Naz was fretting about his hotel room and flying in his hairdresser from sheffield, Barrera was training in a public spit and sawdust gym. With a proper work ethic, Naz would have been the greatest.

Didn't see that, but definitely sums up why he ultimately failed in terms of being a great fighter.  Such a waste of a brilliant talent.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
Funny you mention that, my dad knew the guy who owned the snooker club where Naz played pool and everyone who went there said he was a really down to earth chappy.

Was it in the Eccleshall Road/London Road area?

My mate didn't watch boxing, but had heard me going on about Naz a fair bit so couldn't wait to tell me all about it when he saw me in lectures.


Yes. Dont remember the exact location but it was that part of the City.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 23, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Funny you mention that, my dad knew the guy who owned the snooker club where Naz played pool and everyone who went there said he was a really down to earth chappy.

Did you see the documentary about the build up to Naz vs Barrera? Pretty much summed up why he lost, Naz was fretting about his hoteI room and flying in his hairdresser from sheffield, Barrera was training in a public spit and sawdust gym. With a proper work ethic, Naz would have been the greatest.

That phrase will always rankle with me. Saying "X would have been the best if he had only been more disciplined"  (see Alex Higgins, Paul Gascoigne, Pete Doherty, whoever) is not that easy. It was part of his character and the crowd loved him for being a lazy, guard dropping showman, who caught people with quick counters while dodging their jabs. I never liked him, even though I had to admire his brilliance.

Anyway, another debate for another day


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 23, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
This bloke could throw a punch, too:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=981lkwNDcVk


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 23, 2013, 09:29:59 PM
Shavers could definitely bang.

As could this animal:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwmW-nnDBOE

Remember regularly getting up at 3am, sticking the kettle on for me and my dad, sitting in front of the telly to watch Tyson.  Then going back to bed a minute or two later.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 09:32:25 PM
Corrales v Castillo I is definitely worth a watch.


Just remembered what a belter this one was. You watched it yet Monda?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 23, 2013, 09:41:36 PM
Corrales v Castillo I is definitely worth a watch.


Just remembered what a belter this one was. You watched it yet Monda?

Going thru them as they're recommended so Honeyghan vs Curry is going on once Man U hold in circa 2 mins.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 23, 2013, 09:46:08 PM
Shavers could definitely bang.

As could this animal:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwmW-nnDBOE

Remember regularly getting up at 3am, sticking the kettle on for me and my dad, sitting in front of the telly to watch Tyson.  Then going back to bed a minute or two later.

Tyson's movement for a big lump was incredible!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on October 23, 2013, 09:48:32 PM
Tyson is my second fave. His ability to get inside and obliterate was just a joy to watch


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 09:54:07 PM
Tyson is my second fave. His ability to get inside and obliterate was just a joy to watch

Everyone talked about Tyson's punch, but his mobility was what made him great. I can't think of any other fighter who was able to nullify a huge size and reach disadvantage like he could.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 23, 2013, 09:55:53 PM
Hamed was an incredible talent. He was never the same once he had millions in the bank though. The desire had gone. He was on the downgrade by the time he fought Barrera. Had they fought two years earlier Hamed stops him.


For a domestic level scrap them Arthur v Gomez is worth a watch. There was a decent piece on Ringside last week about Gomez and his life after boxing which unsurprisingly has been a bit of a mess.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 23, 2013, 09:58:11 PM
Hamed was an incredible talent. He was never the same once he had millions in the bank though. The desire had gone. He was on the downgrade by the time he fought Barrera. Had they fought two years earlier Hamed stops him.


For a domestic level scrap them Arthur v Gomez is worth a watch. There was a decent piece on Ringside last week about Gomez and his life after boxing which unsurprisingly has been a bit of a mess.

I remember that fight. It was a good un

My Dad and I followed Gomez a lot because we used to bet on when the commentator would say 'born in a car ' (usually before he entered the ring)



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 23, 2013, 11:40:52 PM
Barrera vs Morales 1 is for me the greatest fight of all time.

The Gatti vs Ward encounters are awesome

I always had a soft spot for the Holyfield vs Bowe series

Most early Nigel Benn fights too, always a tear up

The first Barrera vs Pacman blew my mind (did they fight more than once)

A strangely compelling pair of fights was the two Eubanks vs Carl Thompson fights.





Pac fought Barrera twice btw.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 24, 2013, 09:42:29 AM
Hamed was an incredible talent. He was never the same once he had millions in the bank though. The desire had gone. He was on the downgrade by the time he fought Barrera. Had they fought two years earlier Hamed stops him.


For a domestic level scrap them Arthur v Gomez is worth a watch. There was a decent piece on Ringside last week about Gomez and his life after boxing which unsurprisingly has been a bit of a mess.

I remember that fight. It was a good un

My Dad and I followed Gomez a lot because we used to bet on when the commentator would say 'born in a car ' (usually before he entered the ring)



Haha, yeah it was always mentioned - usually several times.  Gomez was never the brightest, had a hard upbringing (did you know he was born in a car?), and once he got the money from boxing it was inevitable that he'd spunk the money and make some bad decisions. His fights were always exciting to watch though.


Monda, some other fights you have to watch:
Any involving Eubank, Benn, Collins fighting each other.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 24, 2013, 04:47:26 PM

any links about for that gomez ringside piece??

not big fan of watching the whole of old fights i like docs about them with bits of footage thrown in etc

wouldnt sit through a whole old football match either.

been waiting all week for the odds on the brian rose fight at wknd still nothing up yet hoping there could be a few nice prices about


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on October 24, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
Pretty sure the Snooker club regarding Naz was near the Hunters bar roundabout, as that was our go to place for a couple of frames and saw Naz in there a couple of times.

Got me reminiscing about student days in Sheffield now, good times.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 24, 2013, 05:17:57 PM
Pretty sure the Snooker club regarding Naz was near the Hunters bar roundabout, as that was our go to place for a couple of frames and saw Naz in there a couple of times.

Got me reminiscing about student days in Sheffield now, good times.

Yes it probably is Rileys. Next to the Lescar which is a great pub, opposite where my missus works now if you are ever in town and need to buy a log burner urgently.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 24, 2013, 07:10:31 PM

any links about for that gomez ringside piece??

not big fan of watching the whole of old fights i like docs about them with bits of footage thrown in etc

wouldnt sit through a whole old football match either.

been waiting all week for the odds on the brian rose fight at wknd still nothing up yet hoping there could be a few nice prices about

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/8977123/life-after-boxing:-michael-gomez



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 24, 2013, 07:15:41 PM

cheers bazza


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on October 24, 2013, 08:35:46 PM
Pretty sure the Snooker club regarding Naz was near the Hunters bar roundabout, as that was our go to place for a couple of frames and saw Naz in there a couple of times.

Got me reminiscing about student days in Sheffield now, good times.

Yes it probably is Rileys. Next to the Lescar which is a great pub, opposite where my missus works now if you are ever in town and need to buy a log burner urgently.

Yes, think it might well be the one near Hunter's Bar.   Think I even played there a few times.

Been a few years since I visited Sheffield for a night out.  Need to address that.

Bringing it back onto boxing, Kell Brook - world class, or still not fought anyone half-decent?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on October 24, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
Pretty sure the Snooker club regarding Naz was near the Hunters bar roundabout, as that was our go to place for a couple of frames and saw Naz in there a couple of times.

Got me reminiscing about student days in Sheffield now, good times.

Yes it probably is Rileys. Next to the Lescar which is a great pub, opposite where my missus works now if you are ever in town and need to buy a log burner urgently.

I worked in the NHS clinic just up the hill from there one summer. My job was to input data about blokes with erectile problems and people who wanted sex changes. Wish I worked in the log burner shop!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on October 24, 2013, 08:46:33 PM
Pretty sure the Snooker club regarding Naz was near the Hunters bar roundabout, as that was our go to place for a couple of frames and saw Naz in there a couple of times.

Got me reminiscing about student days in Sheffield now, good times.

Yes it probably is Rileys. Next to the Lescar which is a great pub, opposite where my missus works now if you are ever in town and need to buy a log burner urgently.

Yes, think it might well be the one near Hunter's Bar.   Think I even played there a few times.

Been a few years since I visited Sheffield for a night out.  Need to address that.

Bringing it back onto boxing, Kell Brook - world class, or still not fought anyone half-decent?

Fringe world class where he has been for the past two years. Still yet to have a proper test. The 5/2 Brook points is a ridic price with SJ, way ool.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 25, 2013, 04:17:21 AM
Corrales v Castillo I is definitely worth a watch.


Just remembered what a belter this one was. You watched it yet Monda?

That was unreal, incredible fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 25, 2013, 05:12:16 AM
Watched Castillo v Mayweather after that fight.

Mayweather runs fucking good, shouldn't have that 0.

Such a joke to suggest he won it at all nevermind by the margin it was giving.

(I realise this is all very old news now :) )

The stats of the fight and the fact Castillo was clearly the more aggressive shows what a sham boxing can be when left to the judges.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 26, 2013, 02:10:59 PM

any thoughts on tonights fights

like last time going for joshua points at a big price 15/2 think im going to stick with it til it lands - sooner or later his oppoenents are just going to turn up in survival mode like true journeymen. butlins said hes had a lot of notice for this fight which is a positive and he isnt a novice like joshuas first fight

bazza already mentioned brook on points at 5/2 that price has gone now i prefer points to stoppage and the only doubt is if sencehnkos face holds up was stopped on cuts /swelling in his defeat. for me this is brooks first test around world level

callum smith points 7/2 interesting one this smith with all the 1st round kos but who he is fighting has only been stopped twice by world level fighters. against this is im not sure how much notice the opponet had for this fight is 35 now and notice he had to strip off to make weight. but he has been picked to hopefully give some rounds to smith. there are some decent prices on overs rounds mite go for that instead

brian rose points 9/4 if hes going to win its highly likely it will be on points. his opponent is favourite to win this by stoppage hes got a lot of kos on his record but fighting at home in argentina. cant figure out if its because people dont rate rose who you wouldnt call chinny or the argie is genuine and can bang. hearn has brought over a few argies with decent looking records to get beaten in the past but hes also made a bit of a mess getting people over at a higher level for burns and quigg and the same level for bellew. i expected rose to be a decent fav and would have backed the other guy at a big price to win. had a few draws around lately on sky could be a chance of that here again maybe.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 26, 2013, 10:45:34 PM
Maybe being harsh but not that impressed with Kell Brook, doesn't look good enough to beat most of the people above him in his division.

Possibly I'm massively underestimating his opponent though who I know little about.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 26, 2013, 10:59:42 PM
Maybe being harsh but not that impressed with Kell Brook, doesn't look good enough to beat most of the people above him in his division.

Possibly I'm massively underestimating his opponent though who I know little about.

He looked like he was at a disco when matey caught him  :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 26, 2013, 11:20:57 PM

thought brook looked good tonight saw off his best oppo and an ex world champ failry easily

vast improvement to going life and death with carson jones

quality win for rose aswell i had him winning a close fight a few moaning the other lad was robbed

i might give up on backing joshua to go the distance


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 26, 2013, 11:27:40 PM

thought brook looked good tonight saw off his best oppo and an ex world champ failry easily

vast improvement to going life and death with carson jones

quality win for rose aswell i had him winning a close fight a few moaning the other lad was robbed

i might give up on backing joshua to go the distance

I'm no boxing expert, but are they not just hand feeding Joshua pub fighters to bed him in?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on October 26, 2013, 11:29:18 PM

thought brook looked good tonight saw off his best oppo and an ex world champ failry easily

vast improvement to going life and death with carson jones

quality win for rose aswell i had him winning a close fight a few moaning the other lad was robbed

i might give up on backing joshua to go the distance

I'm no boxing expert, but are they not just hand feeding Joshua pub fighters to bed him in?

I thought that as well, but the guy did go the distance with Chisora.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 26, 2013, 11:37:20 PM

yeh they are not expected to beat or trouble joshua in the slighest its why hes fighting them

theres plenty of big hitters who struggle to put away journeymen who cover up and spoil which is what im waiting for could get expensive tho



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longy on October 31, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
Going to give this a watch when I get a spare 90 mins but looks awesome.
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UViOdXG7eGc


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on October 31, 2013, 10:52:26 PM
all the legendary nights series are worth a watch

espn have just done one on leonard duran which was decent aswell - no mas


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 03, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
Hamed was an incredible talent. He was never the same once he had millions in the bank though. The desire had gone. He was on the downgrade by the time he fought Barrera. Had they fought two years earlier Hamed stops him.

Pretty surprised to hear you say that Baz I gotta admit.

Golovkin looking unstoppable.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: engy on November 04, 2013, 10:10:26 PM
any opinions on the froch vs groves fight?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 04, 2013, 10:24:48 PM
any opinions on the froch vs groves fight?

Froch to iron him out.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on November 05, 2013, 03:17:33 PM
Those Sky Ringside specials to promote Froch vs Groves have been absolutely uncomfortably cringeworthy. Whilst it has it laugh out loud moments such as 'stroke-gate' they could learn a bit from Showtime's All Access in how to build up a fight.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 05, 2013, 03:34:13 PM
Those Sky Ringside specials to promote Froch vs Groves have been absolutely uncomfortably cringeworthy. Whilst it has it laugh out loud moments such as 'stroke-gate' they could learn a bit from Showtime's All Access in how to build up a fight.



I think Froch learned a lot from the sit down he had with Ward before their fight, where he got schooled in how to handle yourself.

I had to check that they hadn't made brought along Groves 14 year old brother to that show, it was embarrassing watching him acting like a kid...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 05, 2013, 04:03:05 PM
Those Sky Ringside specials to promote Froch vs Groves have been absolutely uncomfortably cringeworthy. Whilst it has it laugh out loud moments such as 'stroke-gate' they could learn a bit from Showtime's All Access in how to build up a fight.



Agreed it was awful viewing. If I was a casual boxing fan I'd be less likely to watch the fight after seeing that. Neither came across well.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 05, 2013, 04:08:01 PM
Those Sky Ringside specials to promote Froch vs Groves have been absolutely uncomfortably cringeworthy. Whilst it has it laugh out loud moments such as 'stroke-gate' they could learn a bit from Showtime's All Access in how to build up a fight.



Agreed it was awful viewing. If I was a casual boxing fan I'd be less likely to watch the fight after seeing that. Neither came across well.

Thought Froch was better than he was when sat opposite Ward, but I would guess that casual fans will tune in hoping to see either get sparked out ;D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: engy on November 05, 2013, 04:45:42 PM
yea I fancy froch to beat him but I think hes too short at 1/5


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on November 05, 2013, 05:49:09 PM
Those Sky Ringside specials to promote Froch vs Groves have been absolutely uncomfortably cringeworthy. Whilst it has it laugh out loud moments such as 'stroke-gate' they could learn a bit from Showtime's All Access in how to build up a fight.



Agreed it was awful viewing. If I was a casual boxing fan I'd be less likely to watch the fight after seeing that. Neither came across well.

It gets worse, the casual fight fan wouldn't be able to tune in to the fight anyway as it's on Box Office!

I didn't see Froch before the Ward fight but I'd be severely irritated after spending all day in the company of George Groves.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 05, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
Those Sky Ringside specials to promote Froch vs Groves have been absolutely uncomfortably cringeworthy. Whilst it has it laugh out loud moments such as 'stroke-gate' they could learn a bit from Showtime's All Access in how to build up a fight.



Agreed it was awful viewing. If I was a casual boxing fan I'd be less likely to watch the fight after seeing that. Neither came across well.

It gets worse, the casual fight fan wouldn't be able to tune in to the fight anyway as it's on Box Office!

I didn't see Froch before the Ward fight but I'd be severely irritated after spending all day in the company of George Groves.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLKYaLhBLzQ

Ward is just a different class.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 06, 2013, 03:26:54 AM
Hagler vs Hearns is brilliant.

Best 1st round of a fight ever ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 06, 2013, 04:18:16 AM
For the sheer spectacle and the occasion, the Hamed v Kelley fight is always worth a watch :)

Remember watching it when it happened, I was living in Japan at the time, and it defined 'edge of the seat' viewing.

Wild!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 06, 2013, 08:33:53 AM
For the sheer spectacle and the occasion, the Hamed v Kelley fight is always worth a watch :)

Remember watching it when it happened, I was living in Japan at the time, and it defined 'edge of the seat' viewing.

Wild!


Watching that live was pretty wild, especially as I was a big Naz fan at the time. 


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 06, 2013, 08:34:59 AM
Hagler vs Hearns is brilliant.

Best 1st round of a fight ever ?


Got to be up there. So many quality moments in fights between those four legends.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 06, 2013, 08:48:16 AM
Hagler vs Hearns is brilliant.

Best 1st round of a fight ever ?

I certainly can't think of a better!

Best round 9?

Yank refs are sooo good for the game.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2tPAhdsY34


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 07, 2013, 04:43:12 AM
Could someone do me a favour please.

List the Ring Magazines fight of the year from 1990-now.

If I look at the wiki page it gives the result which I obv want to fade, cheers.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on November 07, 2013, 07:56:39 AM
Could someone do me a favour please.

List the Ring Magazines fight of the year from 1990-now.

If I look at the wiki page it gives the result which I obv want to fade, cheers.

1 min..


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on November 07, 2013, 08:09:06 AM
1990 Julio César Chávez   vs Meldrick Taylor
1991 Akeem Anifowoshe vs Robert Quiroga
1992 Evander Holyfield    vs Riddick Bowe
1993Humberto González  vs   Michael Carbajal
1994 John David Jackson vs Jorge Castro
1995 Humberto González vs  Saman Sorjaturong
1996 Evander Holyfield    vs Mike Tyson
1997 Arturo Gatti           vs Gabriel Ruelas
1998 Arturo Gatti           vs Ivan Robinson W
1999 Johnny Tapia         vs Paulie Ayala
2000 Erik Morales           vs Marco Antonio Barrera
2001 Micky Ward           vs Emanuel Augustus
2002 Micky Ward           vs Arturo Gatti
2003 ^^ fight 3
2004 Morales                 vs Borrera 3
2005 Diego Corrales        vs José Luis Castillo
2006 Mahyar Monshipour vs Somsak Sithchatchawal
2007 Israel Vázquez        vs Rafael Márquez II
2008 ^ fight 3
2009 Juan Diaz               vs Juan Manuel Marquez
2010 Giovani Segura        vs Ivan Calderon
2011 Andre Berto           vs Victor Ortiz
2012 Pacqiou                 vs Marquez 4


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 07, 2013, 09:03:10 AM
<3 the Berto v Ortiz fight!!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 07, 2013, 01:31:21 PM
1990 Julio César Chávez   vs Meldrick Taylor
1991 Akeem Anifowoshe vs Robert Quiroga
1992 Evander Holyfield    vs Riddick Bowe
1993Humberto González  vs   Michael Carbajal
1994 John David Jackson vs Jorge Castro
1995 Humberto González vs  Saman Sorjaturong
1996 Evander Holyfield    vs Mike Tyson
1997 Arturo Gatti           vs Gabriel Ruelas
1998 Arturo Gatti           vs Ivan Robinson W
1999 Johnny Tapia         vs Paulie Ayala
2000 Erik Morales           vs Marco Antonio Barrera
2001 Micky Ward           vs Emanuel Augustus
2002 Micky Ward           vs Arturo Gatti
2003 ^^ fight 3
2004 Morales                 vs Borrera 3
2005 Diego Corrales        vs José Luis Castillo
2006 Mahyar Monshipour vs Somsak Sithchatchawal
2007 Israel Vázquez        vs Rafael Márquez II
2008 ^ fight 3
2009 Juan Diaz               vs Juan Manuel Marquez
2010 Giovani Segura        vs Ivan Calderon
2011 Andre Berto           vs Victor Ortiz
2012 Pacqiou                 vs Marquez 4

Nice one, thank you.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on November 07, 2013, 01:44:22 PM
No problemo. I can barely remember any of the results so there's no spoilers for me despite having only watched Holyfield and Pacman.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 07, 2013, 01:59:39 PM
Hagler vs Hearns is brilliant.

Best 1st round of a fight ever ?

I certainly can't think of a better!

Best round 9?

Yank refs are sooo good for the game.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2tPAhdsY34

That round was an incredible spectacle but really he should have been stopped.  Gatti was the kind of fighter that just wouldn't quit but he took too much punishment as a result and that is what the refs are for.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 07, 2013, 02:22:39 PM
Hagler vs Hearns is brilliant.

Best 1st round of a fight ever ?

I certainly can't think of a better!

Best round 9?

Yank refs are sooo good for the game.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2tPAhdsY34

That round was an incredible spectacle but really he should have been stopped.  Gatti was the kind of fighter that just wouldn't quit but he took too much punishment as a result and that is what the refs are for.

Was insane when he cameback at him though from 2mins, but yeah even commentator says you can stop it ref.

It went through my mind that it was possibly to much punishment they both went through for it to be right for me to be sitting enjoying it as a spectacle, I loved it though  ;hide;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 07, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Did anyone see Toney on Ringside? Very painful to watch. He shouldn't be anywhere near a boxing ring.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MintTrav on November 10, 2013, 12:44:05 AM
If you're still looking for fights to watch, Benn and McClellan put on a cracker. Incredible 1st round and one of the best fights ever seen.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 10, 2013, 01:11:38 AM
Did anyone see Toney on Ringside? Very painful to watch. He shouldn't be anywhere near a boxing ring.

Found it on Youtube

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBhUuZVIhqk


Have only watched a minute because the UFC is on, but that is enough!




Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 10, 2013, 10:16:21 AM
Garcia Martinez worth a watch


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 10, 2013, 12:04:54 PM
Did anyone see Toney on Ringside? Very painful to watch. He shouldn't be anywhere near a boxing ring.

Found it on Youtube

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBhUuZVIhqk


Have only watched a minute because the UFC is on, but that is enough!




Cheers for putting that up, I missed it Thursday


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 10, 2013, 12:09:39 PM
Manny vs Brandon Rios 23rd November

They fight in China so I'm wondering what time fight will be in uk?

Could be a be full afternoon of boxing what with Groves vs Froch on later


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 10, 2013, 12:27:05 PM
Manny vs Brandon Rios 23rd November

They fight in China so I'm wondering what time fight will be in uk?

Could be a be full afternoon of boxing what with Groves vs Froch on later

Think Macau is the same as Vegas, so I'm guessing it will be a 5am job.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on November 10, 2013, 01:25:52 PM

its timed to be on the usual time in america so its a 3am+ for uk

in macau its 10/11am start or something


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 10, 2013, 02:09:59 PM
Manny vs Brandon Rios 23rd November

They fight in China so I'm wondering what time fight will be in uk?

Could be a be full afternoon of boxing what with Groves vs Froch on later

Think Macau is the same as Vegas, so I'm guessing it will be a 5am job.

Not sure what I was talking about...

It's 10pm in Macau now, so they're 8 hours behind Vegas.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: I KNOW IT on November 11, 2013, 06:38:14 AM
Im in China now and quite a few of us are going to the fight.
Macau is 8 hours ahead of the Uk . The undercard starts around 8am in Macau so I guess the main bout will be around 11am -12pm meaning 3am - 4am UK time


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 11, 2013, 09:59:17 AM
Cheers

Silly o'clock it is then :(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on November 11, 2013, 01:32:56 PM


looking forward to froch groves

expect froch to win by stoppage

noticed pp are 8/1 rds 10-12 decent price i thought although i fancy it a bit sooner



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 11, 2013, 11:42:24 PM


looking forward to froch groves

expect froch to win by stoppage

noticed pp are 8/1 rds 10-12 decent price i thought although i fancy it a bit sooner



I'm a massive Froch fan but think Groves matches up well here. I'd be happier if Booth was still in his corner (he was when I backed him) but nevertheless if Groves can box to a plan he is capable of winning a decision.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on November 12, 2013, 01:11:21 PM

dont think he can box to a plan without booth

he ignored booths instructions a few times in fights during rounds dont think he will pay any attention to the new bloke either

i think groves will crumble when he gets put under sustained pressure from froch

not sure groves hitting and running all night would win him a points decision either


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on November 17, 2013, 07:33:51 PM


haye furys off again

gets through some cancelled fights haye


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 17, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
Huge hint to ESPN he's retiring.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 17, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
Nooooooooooo haye vs fury is off...

 ;grr;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 17, 2013, 09:05:00 PM
He needs shoulder surgery and rumour is he's been given medical advice to retire.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 17, 2013, 09:52:20 PM
3 cancelled fights in 6 months that is

a bit naughty that is


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 19, 2013, 08:15:30 PM
In other news

Matey got me a ticket for Froch vs Groves this Saturday.  BINK!!!

This will be my first visit to Boxing Match, just a bit giddy about it.

One minute I'm thinking Froch next going with Groves, but in all I'm just going too enjoy it and the undercards look good also..

 :cheers: ;karabiner; ;starwars;


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 19, 2013, 08:42:03 PM
I think the undercard is very disappointing. Plenty of names on it but not one competitive fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 19, 2013, 08:44:50 PM
I think the undercard is very disappointing. Plenty of names on it but not one competitive fight.

Yeah good names, not really looked at calibre of oppenants.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 20, 2013, 06:37:56 PM
Worst PPV ever?

Main event worthy of it (imo although I know many who don't think it is). To stack the undercard with mismatches is very poor from Hearn. Warren would have got a caning for putting on a card like that. I'd have been happy with competitive domestic clashes but there is not one decent fight apart from the main event, which hopefully lives up to expectations.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 20, 2013, 06:47:46 PM
In other news

Matey got me a ticket for Froch vs Groves this Saturday.  BINK!!!

This will be my first visit to Boxing Match, just a bit giddy about it.

One minute I'm thinking Froch next going with Groves, but in all I'm just going too enjoy it and the undercards look good also..

 :cheers: ;karabiner; ;starwars;

Know this feeling.  I really want Froch to have the legacy of the warrior he truly is and if he gets beat on Saturday i think it will affect his legacy (and possibly rightly so) but I also know he can't go on for ever and Groves has the youth to be good for a long time, but then I also am not sure even if GG won on Saturday he would ever go on to be the type of champion Froch would be......urgh I just dont know.....


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 20, 2013, 07:34:42 PM
Read another interview with Froch.  How could I have ever doubted him?  My mancrush is reignited.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 21, 2013, 11:40:18 PM
I like Groves for this but a few have questioned his chin. Any history to this?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 21, 2013, 11:52:16 PM
I like Groves for this but a few have questioned his chin. Any history to this?

He has never been knocked down in a pro fight as far as I know and I don't recall him ever really being in trouble.  There is talk of Froch having knocked him down when they sparred in the past but other than that it is just speculation.  He hasn't ever fought someone as heavy handed as Froch though to be fair.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 22, 2013, 12:39:06 AM
Froch is gonna kill him


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 22, 2013, 06:59:15 AM
I like Groves for this but a few have questioned his chin. Any history to this?

He has never been knocked down in a pro fight as far as I know and I don't recall him ever really being in trouble.  There is talk of Froch having knocked him down when they sparred in the past but other than that it is just speculation.  He hasn't ever fought someone as heavy handed as Froch though to be fair.

He was down against Kenny Anderson who can bang. I don't think he has a glass jaw but there are question marks which will get answered one way or tother on Saturday.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: vegaslover on November 22, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
Was rooting for Froch until the promo started. Imo he has come across as a total prick, think he's more worried than he is making out.
Nothing like a bit of bad blood to make for a cracking fight


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 22, 2013, 09:36:07 AM
Completely disagree, Mr Lover. Froch is the proven champion. He's quite entitled to have his say when the challenger is shooting his mouth off in all directions.

Am I the only one that hopes it doesn't end like all David Haye's fights, with him hugging the other guy at the end and retracting all the talk from the build up?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on November 22, 2013, 09:44:54 AM
Yep same, Froch has been fine in the build up its groves that's been like the little dog trying to impress his master, embarrassing how groves has been. Hope he gets a right pounding.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 22, 2013, 09:56:12 AM
Agree. Froch is class. Hope he knocks that little twat into next week


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TightEnd on November 22, 2013, 10:04:54 AM
Caught the press conference on SSN yesterday

People really believe that they mean the crap they come out with?

Its scripted nonsense to sell PPV tickets right?

Froch wins on Saturday, Groves gets a re-match, they go again, everyone does the same to take a cut of the next lot of £.

No better than WWE

This of course from a casual observer

Whole thing is a complete travesty of sport (not in terms of their ability, training etc but the moneymaking circus in boxing takes the fan for a complete mug)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 22, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Tighty sir  I assure you that you are wrong in this case. I know from George's side that It is a genuine disliking of each other, just as it was with Degale. I'm not actually a fan of the way George has handled himself in the buildup to this fight and would much rather have seen him just stay quiet but the general opinion was this approach would get to Froch the most.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: craigbetts on November 22, 2013, 12:37:23 PM
Tighty sir  I assure you that you are wrong in this case. I know from George's side that It is a genuine disliking of each other, just as it was with Degale. I'm not actually a fan of the way George has handled himself in the buildup to this fight and would much rather have seen him just stay quiet but the general opinion was this approach would get to Froch the most.

Why does he dislike him? Surely you have to respect what he has achieved. They were close enough to spar a number of years ago, what has changed. It really is PPV doing the talking here. Would you lay me odds of Groves stating his admiration for Froch once the Cobra has beat him fairly?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 22, 2013, 12:46:57 PM
It isn't tho, I think if you check my posts itt I called this fight a while before it was officially announced,  Froch didn't want the fight to go ahead as he said George wasn't even worthy of challenging him but the fact he was mandatory meant he had to be given the shot. Froch was going on like George is a complete nobody and belittling his efforts and achievements. Imagine going on like that would make most people dislike someone. Although I do think he hasn't shown Froch the respect he deserves but that's just giving him a taste of his own medicine really.

Most boxers make up after a fight so I won't be offering odds, I think if Groves wins on pts then Froch defo won't want to reconcile but I think George will be humble enough to eat his words.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 22, 2013, 03:20:30 PM
Tend to agree with Milli here.  Froch doesn't really do bad mouthing.  Even against Ward he was fairly tame.  I am not sure I have ever heard him say he didn't like a fighter before and the contrast between this and the Kessler fight is telling.  Of course it isn't big odds they show respect at the end but Froch has said there won't be any hugs and I wouldn't be betting on it.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Amatay on November 22, 2013, 03:34:57 PM
Grooves has come across similar to how degale acted when he fought Grooves.

Hope Froch destroys him!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on November 22, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
I hope the fight is better quality than the preamble and "trash-talking" or there will be some very disappointed PPV customers.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 22, 2013, 06:05:26 PM
Caught the press conference on SSN yesterday

People really believe that they mean the crap they come out with?

Its scripted nonsense to sell PPV tickets right?

Froch wins on Saturday, Groves gets a re-match, they go again, everyone does the same to take a cut of the next lot of £.

No better than WWE

This of course from a casual observer

Whole thing is a complete travesty of sport (not in terms of their ability, training etc but the moneymaking circus in boxing takes the fan for a complete mug)

You've been mugged off by too many Hayemaker fights Rich. We all have. Genuine dislike here IMO.

Definitely wouldn't refer to either of these two as "class" though.

Andre Ward is class.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 22, 2013, 06:06:22 PM
No, Andre Ward is different class.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: youthnkzR on November 23, 2013, 07:15:07 PM
Don't suppose anybody has a link please?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
Was rooting for Froch until the promo started. Imo he has come across as a total prick, think he's more worried than he is making out.
Nothing like a bit of bad blood to make for a cracking fight

Agree with this

Froch has not looked at all comfortable to me

Sky seem determined to turn him into a "character" something that just does not fit naturally for him.


Fancy this to go the distance tonight with Froch recovering from a slow start to just edge it


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 08:13:40 PM
Don't suppose anybody has a link please?

pm me mate

(and anybody else who wants one)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 23, 2013, 10:04:42 PM
What time is the Pacman due in the ring plz ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: sovietsong on November 23, 2013, 10:41:54 PM
Don't suppose anybody has a link please?

pm me mate

(and anybody else who wants one)

if anybody has a link please PM me!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 23, 2013, 10:43:55 PM
boxingguru always has one


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 23, 2013, 10:48:40 PM
Wiziwig = ton of links! incred boxing guru.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 23, 2013, 10:49:13 PM
iPad decided on that exclamation mark btw, not me :)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: pleno1 on November 23, 2013, 10:52:23 PM
legoooo


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on November 23, 2013, 10:55:43 PM
I hope it's not the same cheating judges from Hearn's last farce.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:00:46 PM
brilliant from groves

so tough mentally


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 23, 2013, 11:09:51 PM
Wow this is great stuff.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 23, 2013, 11:10:32 PM
Unreal


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:13:25 PM
froch paying for spending to long in build up trying to be a character

Groves massively impressive dictating this fight



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 23, 2013, 11:17:07 PM
I've got a tenner on the draw @ 44 on Betfair.

If Froch is within 4 rounds at the end I should be looking good :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 23, 2013, 11:18:42 PM
Groves has to stop this turning into a war


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:21:40 PM
brilliant round from groves apart from last 10 secs

for 25 what a talent


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:26:27 PM
groves at least 5 clear

froch needs at least one knockdown


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:29:02 PM
froch on his 4th final warning for a point off?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:32:46 PM
a quite unreal decision to stop that


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Eck on November 23, 2013, 11:33:38 PM
Farce


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:34:22 PM
froch was in trouble for 3 rounds

2 judges had it 1 point !


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 23, 2013, 11:36:45 PM
I feel robbed :(


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:36:50 PM
even worse on replay

if that was abroad questions would be asked there


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Woodsey on November 23, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
Think Froch would have stopped it given a few more secs, but joke to stop it then.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 23, 2013, 11:37:10 PM
FUCK BOXING, FUCKING CORRUPT TWATS.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 23, 2013, 11:37:46 PM
Bit of luck that bloke will never be allowed in the ring again.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:37:58 PM
the most amazing thing is the scorecards

1 point up!

worse than wwe that


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 23, 2013, 11:40:38 PM
the most amazing thing is the scorecards

1 point up!

worse than wwe that

I said Froch only needed to be within 4 rounds.

Was another Ricky Burns coming imo


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:41:26 PM
he didnt even wobble


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on November 23, 2013, 11:44:29 PM
The worst thing I have seen in sport ever for me. In terms of injustice to rules.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 23, 2013, 11:47:33 PM
Froch would have stopped him, but that was a premature stoppage. Doesn't benefit either fighter in truth. People will remember the fight for the premature end, not for the great scrap it was.

Rematch will be good.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:47:44 PM
froch sounds like he has had 18 pints

groves clear as day


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 23, 2013, 11:48:36 PM
But definitely not the worst thing in sport. Not even close.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
watch it again

he barely hit him

compare that to groves winning 3 rounds clearly with no response



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 23, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
How can you say Froch would've stopped him when Groves was punching back ?

He may've put him down, Groves put Froch down in 1st round...

They went toe to toe lots and Groves looked by far the stronger.

Doesn't matter anyway, the scorecards were a joke, unless Groves KO'd him Froch wins.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 23, 2013, 11:51:18 PM
watch it again

he barely hit him

compare that to groves winning 3 rounds clearly with no response




What relevance does that have to anything?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 23, 2013, 11:51:34 PM
Another fight ruined by a British referee with a premature stoppage. It's getting beyond a joke now. Please can we have Steve Smoger for the rematch.

Groves bossed that fight and had he been able to stick to a plan he would have won a wide UD, he decided he wanted to brawl and it cost him. Froch is one hard hard bastard though. He ate umpteen clean shots from Groves but came firing back.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:52:38 PM
Froch between the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th has glazed eyes is constantly looking at his corner and has just admitted after the fight he did not even remember the first round knockout

If the fight wasnt stopped for that, there is no way it can be for what it was


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: pleno1 on November 23, 2013, 11:52:52 PM
first time ive watched a whole fight, will probably be the last. the stopping obviously ridiculous but 2 judges having it as 76 75 (and i assume froch would end up winning last round even more so probably even) is just crazy!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 23, 2013, 11:53:50 PM
Stoppage ruined a very  very good fight. Think froch would've tagged him. I've never seen a fighter take as much punishment and stay on his feet


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:54:28 PM
No bet in the match just hate seeing sporting injustice and that was one of the worst

Dont like Froch at all but he is as hard as anything to comeback from those first 5 rounds



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 23, 2013, 11:55:24 PM
Another fight ruined by a British referee with a premature stoppage. It's getting beyond a joke now. Please can we have Steve Smoger for the rematch.

Groves bossed that fight and had he been able to stick to a plan he would have won a wide UD, he decided he wanted to brawl and it cost him. Froch is one hard hard bastard though. He ate umpteen clean shots from Groves but came firing back.


Agree that the judge stopped it prematurely, but Groves was hurt and Froch could have lost every round, that matters not one jot with how the ref decides if a fighter is fit to continue.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: buzzharvey22 on November 23, 2013, 11:57:19 PM
IF there is a rematch i cant wait to lump on froch


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 23, 2013, 11:57:36 PM
Groves was not hurt though

why has the ref grabbed him in a headlock rather than stop Froch?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 23, 2013, 11:58:01 PM
IF there is a rematch i cant wait to lump on froch

Why, because that fight will be rigged as well ?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 23, 2013, 11:59:08 PM
Groves was not hurt though

why has the ref grabbed him in a headlock rather than stop Froch?


Groves wasn't hurt?

 OK...


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Ant040689 on November 24, 2013, 12:01:11 AM
But definitely not the worst thing in sport. Not even close.

What is for you then please? I am a little drunk, I may not have been thinking clearly to say that is the worst injustice I have seen, adhering to rules wise. That might stand true for me tbh, as I don't often branch out into more than 4 sports.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 24, 2013, 12:01:45 AM
if the ref was worried for his safety why is he allowing froch to hit him and then grabbing groves head?

Just watched back the main incidents

Even a Froch fan would agree he should have had AT LEAST one point deducted for late blows/ leading with arm

Good to hear Khan state it as he saw it and many others


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 24, 2013, 12:03:10 AM
Another fight ruined by a British referee with a premature stoppage. It's getting beyond a joke now. Please can we have Steve Smoger for the rematch.

Groves bossed that fight and had he been able to stick to a plan he would have won a wide UD, he decided he wanted to brawl and it cost him. Froch is one hard hard bastard though. He ate umpteen clean shots from Groves but came firing back.


Agree that the judge stopped it prematurely, but Groves was hurt and Froch could have lost every round, that matters not one jot with how the ref decides if a fighter is fit to continue.

No one is denying he was hurt, but if boxers are stopped every time they are hurt then the game is well and truly up.

The sad thing is the premature stoppage probably didn't affect the end result as Froch had got to him but it's all everyone will be talking about.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: pleno1 on November 24, 2013, 12:03:25 AM
lampard vs the germans!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 24, 2013, 12:03:47 AM
that gets worse and worse on 4th viewing

Lost balance took two punches still throwing punches back and then ref grabs him

bizarre



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2013, 12:05:09 AM
Another fight ruined by a British referee with a premature stoppage. It's getting beyond a joke now. Please can we have Steve Smoger for the rematch.

Groves bossed that fight and had he been able to stick to a plan he would have won a wide UD, he decided he wanted to brawl and it cost him. Froch is one hard hard bastard though. He ate umpteen clean shots from Groves but came firing back.


Agree that the judge stopped it prematurely, but Groves was hurt and Froch could have lost every round, that matters not one jot with how the ref decides if a fighter is fit to continue.

No one is denying he was hurt, but if boxers are stopped every time they are hurt then the game is well and truly up.

The sad thing is the premature stoppage probably didn't affect the end result as Froch had got to him but it's all everyone will be talking about.


Agree 100%.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 24, 2013, 12:06:54 AM
this board official does not even believe what he is saying


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 24, 2013, 12:12:46 AM
this board official does not even believe what he is saying

Hardly gonna hang him out to dry though :D


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 24, 2013, 12:13:58 AM
British referees are a joke. Obviously this one will get a lot of attention due to the profile of the fight but it's far from the worst stoppage I've seen in recent times. No one wants to see fighters badly hurt but in Britain referees have gone far too far the other way. They cannot wait to jump in if a fighter looks hurt in any way.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 24, 2013, 12:16:21 AM
Not really sure why people are predicting the future instead of just looking at what actually did happen. Only takes one punch to change a fight so just seems totally pointless.

The Sky commentators didn't think Froch could still win a decision, I thought 4 rounds would be enough. Not sure how anyone could have it closer.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 24, 2013, 12:23:17 AM
because amazingly two judges only had Groves 1 point ahead

quite how is anyones guess


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 24, 2013, 12:27:19 AM
because amazingly two judges only had Groves 1 point ahead

quite how is anyones guess

Also a joke. I had it 78-73 Groves. I struggle to see how anyone could possibly have had it closer than 77-74.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2013, 12:27:30 AM
I remember the uproar over the Holyfield v Lewis fight, mostly by people who don't understand how boxing scoring works.

You can win 4 rounds by a mile, and then lose four rounds by the slightest of margins. The result is that the scores are level. How individual rounds are scored is also misunderstood.

As for the fight tonight, I had Groves ahead by three rounds. Of course, some of the rounds were close and if one of these was the other way, then that would be Groves ahead by just the one round.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 24, 2013, 12:32:40 AM
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZy2AndCUAAepAj.png:large


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 24, 2013, 12:38:47 AM
Why is Eddie Hearn beaming like a Cheshire cat when he runs into the ring, seconds after the fight is stopped?

Not sure i would be to happy about that if he was my promoter like Groves



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 24, 2013, 12:39:02 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZy2AndCUAAepAj.png:large)

LOL


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: horseplayer on November 24, 2013, 12:41:19 AM
thanks for fixing that Marky

friends with Froch as well on facebook

Not suggesting anything btw but why when you are reffing a world title fight or any big sporting event you would leave your social media comments so open is beyond me


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 24, 2013, 12:57:45 AM
Froch struggles again with speed and boxing skill.

With a rematch I can only see Groves ending his career.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: The Baron on November 24, 2013, 01:02:08 AM
If Booth was still onside Froch loses tonight IMO


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 24, 2013, 01:45:08 AM
I remember the uproar over the Holyfield v Lewis fight, mostly by people who don't understand how boxing scoring works.

You can win 4 rounds by a mile, and then lose four rounds by the slightest of margins. The result is that the scores are level. How individual rounds are scored is also misunderstood.

As for the fight tonight, I had Groves ahead by three rounds. Of course, some of the rounds were close and if one of these was the other way, then that would be Groves ahead by just the one round.

Whilst what you say is technically right Dan I don't see what relevance it has to this fight.  Groves had a 10-8 round to start the fight.  Froch would have to have won the rest of the fight to only be down by one.  There just wasn't anything like enough close rounds.  You can look at it anyone of a number of ways but I think the simple fact of the matter is that they put a bad referree in the middle.  When I saw he was reffing I though to myself that it was a long way from the York Hall to here and he reffed the whole bout like it.  There were numerous cases of the fighters failing to break, putting in sly (and not so sly) digs after the break call and a couple of punches on the back of the head went unpunished too.  The only way it could have been worse would have been if Ian John Lewis had been in the middle.  The whole thing was embarrassing and coming hot on the heels of the Burns fiasco British boxing in general, and Matchroom in particular has a lot of work to do.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: pleno1 on November 24, 2013, 03:22:11 AM
What happened with booth and groves?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 24, 2013, 05:40:16 AM
Clinic!


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2013, 06:16:43 AM
With Ward losing his WBC belt for inactivity earlier in the year, and after fighting last week in a non-title fight because his opponent couldn't get to 168, I think his people only have one option and that is to fight Froch again. If that phone call comes, Froch will have no better chance than in his next fight.

Groves might have to wait.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 24, 2013, 06:22:03 AM
British referees are a joke. Obviously this one will get a lot of attention due to the profile of the fight but it's far from the worst stoppage I've seen in recent times. No one wants to see fighters badly hurt but in Britain referees have gone far too far the other way. They cannot wait to jump in if a fighter looks hurt in any way.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 24, 2013, 06:28:15 AM
Why is Eddie Hearn beaming like a Cheshire cat when he runs into the ring, seconds after the fight is stopped?

Not sure i would be to happy about that if he was my promoter like Groves



Rematch $$$ innit.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Tal on November 24, 2013, 06:34:15 AM
Mr Flintoff has been a-tweetin':

Glad that Ref isn't in Brisbane , think he'd have stopped the test by now ! #englandontheropes
11:58pm - 23 Nov 13


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2013, 06:55:45 AM
I remember the uproar over the Holyfield v Lewis fight, mostly by people who don't understand how boxing scoring works.

You can win 4 rounds by a mile, and then lose four rounds by the slightest of margins. The result is that the scores are level. How individual rounds are scored is also misunderstood.

As for the fight tonight, I had Groves ahead by three rounds. Of course, some of the rounds were close and if one of these was the other way, then that would be Groves ahead by just the one round.

Whilst what you say is technically right Dan I don't see what relevance it has to this fight.  Groves had a 10-8 round to start the fight.  Froch would have to have won the rest of the fight to only be down by one. 

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Froch only needs to edge two rounds to negate the first round.

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There just wasn't anything like enough close rounds.


I thought some of the rounds were a lot closer than Jim Watt was indicating. Like I said, I had it three rounds to Groves, and that includes the 10-8 round. It'll be interesting to see the judges scorecards and see where they agree and disagree.

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  You can look at it anyone of a number of ways but I think the simple fact of the matter is that they put a bad referree in the middle.  When I saw he was reffing I though to myself that it was a long way from the York Hall to here and he reffed the whole bout like it.  There were numerous cases of the fighters failing to break, putting in sly (and not so sly) digs after the break call and a couple of punches on the back of the head went unpunished too.  The only way it could have been worse would have been if Ian John Lewis had been in the middle.  The whole thing was embarrassing and coming hot on the heels of the Burns fiasco British boxing in general, and Matchroom in particular has a lot of work to do.


I agree that the ref was poor. That didn't affect the scorecards really though, unless he should have deducted a point, or was letting one fighter get away with something but pulling up the other for the same thing.

The fight was stopped prematurely in my opinion, but just don't see the conspiracy theory behind the scorecards. As I said, if the ref had let it continue, and Froch had legitimately stopped Groves, the state of the cards wouldn't really be a massive talking point. I've seen fights such as Barrera v Morales I that were much more debatable in terms of the scorecards.   


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 24, 2013, 11:15:03 AM
With Ward losing his WBC belt for inactivity earlier in the year, and after fighting last week in a non-title fight because his opponent couldn't get to 168, I think his people only have one option and that is to fight Froch again. If that phone call comes, Froch will have no better chance than in his next fight.

Groves might have to wait.

Groves rematch will be worth more $$. Froch is now in a bit of a predicament, the two biggest fights out there for him are Ward and Groves. I'm not sure he wins either. Groves made him look an old man at times last night and if they fight again in 4-6 months time the time will only have been a friend to one of them. I wouldn't be completely shocked if we didn't see Froch in the ring again.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Leatherman on November 24, 2013, 11:17:50 AM
Wow what a night!!!

Lost my voice all shouting I did for groves, was a lot of Froch fans around me, went down well  ;hide;

Couldn't belive all Boo's Groves got, but after that Tez decision and great performance from Groves all that changed.

Enjoyed undercards and whilst grabbing a beer bumped into John Murray for a chat which was cool.

Can't wait till I get chance to go to another big fight, hopefully rematch but can't see Froch wanting that.

#frochgotpwned



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: TightEnd on November 24, 2013, 11:27:31 AM
what a huge surprise. Controversial stoppage allowing another PPV with more hype in a few months time

People really believe Matchroom events aren't just money spinning fixes?

Amazing


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on November 24, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
I had Groves up by 4 or 5 and, whilst being no expert, it just seems that another 10 seconds would make all the difference between whether he had enough to take the shots or would have gone down to his knees.

I thought refs are supposed to step in and break up the fight.....not being on the wrong side and headlock the injured party.

I'm a huge Froch fan, but went to bed disappointed with the win, and also saddened because I didn't like the way Froch conducted himself in his interviews.  I wish he could have said that Groves is the real deal and has won many more fans......but sadly, not to be by Froch.

I was at the Froch Kessler fight and am glad I chose the right fight to be honest.  Would be angry if I had paid £80 for that outcome.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Skippy on November 24, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
what a huge surprise. Controversial stoppage allowing another PPV with more hype in a few months time

People really believe Matchroom events aren't just money spinning fixes?

Amazing

You should get into wrestling Tighty, at least that way you know it's fixed and you can have a good time watching them fix it :-)


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 24, 2013, 01:53:29 PM
Carl Froch definitely has a touch of the Calzaghe about him. Really lacks charisma in front of the camera.

Doesn't really know how to endear himself to the public.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 24, 2013, 03:39:02 PM
what a huge surprise. Controversial stoppage allowing another PPV with more hype in a few months time

People really believe Matchroom events aren't just money spinning fixes?

Amazing

For this to be true though you have to assume there will be a rematch.  I am not at all convinced by this.  Froch isnt normally one to duck a fight though so.....


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on November 24, 2013, 03:48:10 PM
Gut feeling is Froch will go after Ward......lose again and retire, leaving Groves next up to challenge Ward.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Acidmouse on November 25, 2013, 09:37:01 AM
How can Froch be confident going into a big fight again after this? Groves made him look like a slow chump. Until we know how good Groves really is Froch is on borrowed time.

Watched the final round again and I am convinced Froch would have won 10 seconds later then the Ref stopped it, he was just lining up shot after shot on Groves and its better to stop it earlier then too late.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 25, 2013, 10:37:14 AM
Loads of times I thought Nigel Benn was 1 second away from being ko'd only to see him storm back to a heroic victory. I don't think the ref stopped the fight to hype a ppv rematch cos who would trust one guy in a dickie bow to know the exact moment to step in. More likely he noticed some high-viz-wearing health & safety officials with clipboards sitting ringside and got nervous. And that's a real shame cos it was shaping up to be a classic. Over zealous reffing is starting to ruin all kinds of sport imo.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: malt vinegar on November 26, 2013, 03:43:41 PM

great fight virtually ruined by the ref and if it got to the cards liable to have been ruined by the judges

froch should be as pissed off as groves over the way it ended this win will always be looked back on as a moody finish

who knows what will have happened given another 5 / 10 seconds - could have turned into a legit stoppage , groves could have gone down and had recovery time or could have grabbed hold and hung on whatever

great fight though that 6th round was something else



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on November 26, 2013, 06:27:47 PM
It still feels like a fantastic story ruined by a very abrupt ending.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on November 26, 2013, 06:48:35 PM
I cant ever remember a fight reversing my opinions of two fighters to such an extent before. I've always been a huge Froch fan and had Groves pegged as a Jekyll.

Not any more.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: George2Loose on November 26, 2013, 06:53:05 PM
Feel like Froch has been slated and it's not really his fault


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Karabiner on November 26, 2013, 06:58:37 PM
Feel like Froch has been slated and it's not really his fault

This is true George but his pre-fight patter rings very hollow now.

Is it purely coincidence that yet another of these Eddie Hearn promotions ends up in controversy?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: mondatoo on November 26, 2013, 07:02:49 PM
Feel like Froch has been slated and it's not really his fault

This is true George but his pre-fight patter rings very hollow now.

Is it purely coincidence that yet another of these Eddie Hearn promotions ends up in controversy?

...And they are now talking about a bigger fight at Wembley.

Bunch of crooked jokers.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: McGlashan on November 26, 2013, 07:19:29 PM
Feel like Froch has been slated and it's not really his fault

He cannot change what happened in the ring but the manner in which he has conducted himself post fight is his fault, every time he opens his mouth he exaggerates what happened and makes himself sound foolish. A neutral boxing fan expects better than that.



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 26, 2013, 08:35:29 PM
Feel like Froch has been slated and it's not really his fault

He cannot change what happened in the ring but the manner in which he has conducted himself post fight is his fault, every time he opens his mouth he exaggerates what happened and makes himself sound foolish. A neutral boxing fan expects better than that.



This. Froch hasn't handled himself at all well post fight.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 26, 2013, 09:16:40 PM
Feel like Froch has been slated and it's not really his fault

He cannot change what happened in the ring but the manner in which he has conducted himself post fight is his fault, every time he opens his mouth he exaggerates what happened and makes himself sound foolish. A neutral boxing fan expects better than that.



This. Froch hasn't handled himself at all well post fight.

Like I said, very similar to Joe Calzaghe in many ways. 

In his defence, he's a boxer first and foremost - and then a talker and PR man second.  They can't all be Ali.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kinboshi on November 26, 2013, 09:17:40 PM
Feel like Froch has been slated and it's not really his fault

This is true George but his pre-fight patter rings very hollow now.

Is it purely coincidence that yet another of these Eddie Hearn promotions ends up in controversy?

...And they are now talking about a bigger fight at Wembley.

Bunch of crooked jokers.

Did they 'fake' Froch coming back into the fight and hurting Groves a bit so the ref could stop it slightly prematurely?  Seems very far-fetched.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MPOWER on November 27, 2013, 12:24:41 AM
Carl Froch

A warrior and a true champ. I don't think he got the Groves game plan wrong. But he did under estimate how good Groves was going to be #earlyrounds. 

But over 12 rounds there was only Froch to win. Well done the Ref. The Froch attack was in the first minute of round 9 . The bell was not going to save Groves. 

Froch showed you are not going to knock him out. Bute Taylor, Ward, Groves, Kessler, Direll all tried.

The problem for Carl is . For pride do I take on Ward. If you lose, the Groves rematch will not make the money. If I win does Carl make a big money fight in Vegas
V Bernard Hopkins @ Light Heavy weight and then a final fight @ the City ground V Groves. #wishfullthinking 

I'd love to see a IBF fight V Hopkins then Groves as a final fight in the UK

What ever happens British Boxing once again has come good.

Regards

M

 



Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: kano on November 27, 2013, 01:30:41 AM
Carl Froch

A warrior and a true champ. I don't think he got the Groves game plan wrong. But he did under estimate how good Groves was going to be #earlyrounds. 

But over 12 rounds there was only Froch to win. Well done the Ref. The Froch attack was in the first minute of round 9 . The bell was not going to save Groves. 

Froch showed you are not going to knock him out. Bute Taylor, Ward, Groves, Kessler, Direll all tried.

The problem for Carl is . For pride do I take on Ward. If you lose, the Groves rematch will not make the money. If I win does Carl make a big money fight in Vegas
V Bernard Hopkins @ Light Heavy weight and then a final fight @ the City ground V Groves. #wishfullthinking 

I'd love to see a IBF fight V Hopkins then Groves as a final fight in the UK

What ever happens British Boxing once again has come good.

Regards

M


Froch will not beat Ward, he should swallow his pride with regards to that one.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: millidonk on November 27, 2013, 06:26:40 AM
Lolz MPOWER, wear Froch tinted glasses much? The ref was not great at all, apart from the stoppage Froch should have also had a point deducted. Not sure how Froch is the only winner over 12 rounds when Groves had been winning for 8.. it's not as if he had suddenly started scoring 2 point rounds or anything.

Agree with Kano, Ward would just make him look like a chump and beat him comfortably again..

Hopkins even at 48 would dismantle him and that would be his career over. Even if Froch won it would be a case of well done you beat an old man who has had his day.. Can't see anything but a rematch with Groves for him next tbh.

He is certainly a warrior though and has a hell of a chin. Seems keen on a rematch though;

http://www1.skysports.com/frochgroves/story/29800/9039861/carl-froch-says-he-will-fight-george-groves-again-if-his-trainer-and-agent-agree-to-it (http://www1.skysports.com/frochgroves/story/29800/9039861/carl-froch-says-he-will-fight-george-groves-again-if-his-trainer-and-agent-agree-to-it)

Wembley would be good.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: MahoganyVic on November 27, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
What price do you reckon the bookie go if there is a rematch in 6 months?


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Marky147 on November 27, 2013, 12:39:25 PM
What price do you reckon the bookie go if there is a rematch in 6 months?

Sky are 4/9 Froch and 13/8 Groves (rematch in 2014)

Listening to that interview it, sounds like he is looking for a way out of a rematch.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Longines on November 27, 2013, 12:54:46 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/25082565

Thought this was quite an interesting viewpoint.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: Bazzaboy on November 27, 2013, 01:29:52 PM
What price do you reckon the bookie go if there is a rematch in 6 months?

Sky are 4/9 Froch and 13/8 Groves (rematch in 2014)

Listening to that interview it, sounds like he is looking for a way out of a rematch.

Can get 2/1 Groves with Coral.


Title: Re: Big Boxing Thread
Post by: redarmi on November 27, 2013, 03:01:09 PM