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Ok

We have now run 12 online Day 1 flights with 67 qualifying for day 2.

We have also run 3 live flights with 45 qualifying for day 2.

If this trend continues we have 12 remaining online flights = 67

We have 7 remaining live flights = 105

Total through to Day 2 would be 284.

Shortfall 216 = overlay €108,000

Even with an expected uplift during the week i am expecting the minimum overlay to be €75,000.

To put this in perspective, to hit the guarantee we would need 350 players each flight at the club with a 50% re entry to break even.

Here are the numbers bought in so far for each one.

Tonight : 20

Monday : 25

Tuesday : 28

Wednesday : 14

Thursday : 25

Friday 12pm : 37

Friday 7pm : 49

This is one event you really should be playing.

http://www.dusktilldawnpokerclub.com/events/grand-prix

Cheers

ACES


PS: I will update this thread on a daily basis for the value hunters out there :)

Simon would this be DTD biggest ever overlay ?

Hey Simon.

I'm pleased to see you've started to push the overlay angle on this at last.

I don't think people have really been seeing the huge value this tournament represents.

Hopefully this will drum up a few more runners.

An overlay is inevitable now but hopefully it's not too high for the sake of DTD.

Good luck for next weeks day 1s.

Matt

Yes

If the players want us to keep offering these huge guarantees they need to support the events, in the Grand Prix case, if you had any reason for not playing eg regarding the format, how can you not want to share in this massive overlay ? Do me a favour guys and spread the word across your social networks, lets see if we can limit the loss.

Cheers

ACES

Cheers Matt

Whatever happens in the club this week we can't now hit the guarantee, the online sats may do better on Fri than we have projected but i will be delighted if the overlay is less than €50,000.

We really enjoy offering these big guarantees and different formats, there is no doubt that Dusk Till Dawn has helped change the landscape for poker in this country benefitting all players wherever they live as so much has changed since we opened.

Thanks for your support.

Cheers

ACES

This is really sad to read and really hope it doesn't do any long term damage to the club. I think the main problem with this was that it was simply a bit too complicated a concept for most people. I know DTD did their best to explain it clearly to everyone, but ive spoken plenty of people who still don't get it. And also even with a simplest of concepts, the 5,000 entry guarantee was a tad on the ambitious side...

I'm sure dtd'll bounce back.

Maybe try one of those Monte Carlo jobbies again, that was good.

Is there any where to see the list of players through to day 2?

Best of luck with reducing the overlay in the next week.

Lets hope you have a massive week

Sometimes you push the boundaries and the risk doesn't pay off. Would hate to see the club affected by an overlay of that size.

To be fair Simon I am not sure it's the players pushing for the massive guarantees.

The players love DTD and are more concerned about its continued success than a large overlay in one or two competitions.

I guess a £100,000 guarantee would have achieved the same level of interest as a £250,000 one and would have limited the potential losses somewhat.

dtd web site
http://www.dusktilldawnpokerclub.com/result-info.php?id=2262&type=seats

This. If you ask a £50 player which would they prefer, £100k or £250k guarantee then the answer is obv the latter. But ask them which they would play and they'd play both. You basically reach a point where the big numbers start becoming irrelevent and are just potentially causing yourself too much unnecessary damage.

I hope the overlay doesn't end up being a crippling amount. I should be along tomorrow to donate my €60 :)

very much this

I sincerely hope that this doesn't have any long term affect on the club. I love the fact you're pushing the boundaries but would prefer not to have to go to Gala please, thanks! :)

Rest assured I'm pushing it and donating myself (5x so far!)

Cheers Simon.

Had 2 goes so far, more to follow, as much as value iis nice I don't hink any of us want to see DTD lose out on this

You should try a "no guarantee" month, see what the difference in numbers are.

3rd bullet so far gone pretty terrible so far for me

(soon to be 10x) good lad

Such a shame I can't make any of this, I wouldve been in no doubt for +5 times.

Can only wish DTD good luck.

Im working the weekend too but have shared the link on facebook and will be doing the same on twitter fwiw

I can't make Day 2, so haven't regged this time around, but manages to get my friend to play who wouldn't normally have done so! so kind of still supporting?!?!

Good Luck Lisa for Monday.

Done

Here are the results for Sundays live and online flights.

Club produced 21 and online 8.

This gives us a total of 128 and a projected total of 261.

The overlay has increased to €119,500

Cheers

ACES

bubbbbbbbble time!!!!!

hmmm i dunno if i should believe it but 40 playeres entered but someone on the rail says 5 go thru cos of re entrys


but i am in the top 5 i dunno if the seats locked up

I really hope DTD can bounce back from this but for me there was a number of issues...

Setting the buyin at €60 and offering a re-entry was great but once you posted that the min-cash was €75 it made people reluctant to have more than one or two bullets. I had 3 and know a number of people that wouldn't have more than 3 because it wouldn't be worth their while, with travel, hotel and what not.

Also the buyin doesn't appeal to those rolled for £300-£1,000 tourneys, it's aimed at the lower market, however it's aimed at those who are only really going to fire one shot at the €60 buyin. I know at least 5 people that have played 1 Day 1 but can't justify spending more than €60 and they don't have their head in the poker world on a daily basis (reading blogs/tweets) to know that Golden Chip sattys were running. I tried to explain that they needed to play a golden chip sub satty to get into a day 1 and if they got through that and into Day 2 AND made the FT then they'd get extra cash.

Don't get me wrong this was a fantastic idea and I'm sure everyone will agree we all thought it would be a success however hindsight is a wonderful thing and I think in order to make the best of a bad situation it's crucial to identify where exactly it went wrong.

For a tournament of this structure aimed at this market I think an €11 entry is plenty, €60 is just that little too much for people to have multiple shots. Even those who grind $50-$100 tourneys daily regularly online don't see the point in having more than two pops at this.

All the best in your final week with this I hope the overlay is minimal but I'm sure the knowledge gained from this tournament will only make DTD a stronger force on the European poker scene.

Best of luck.

Tom

wiiiiiiiiiiii seat

I don't understand how min cashing effects ppls decision to play tourney?

Surely u play to wIn

And isn't min cashing normally just over buy in also

Gonna try and win 50 dimes!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKN7aWTUrIU&feature=related

Just wanna say I woulda played this if I wasn't at GUKPT Luton.  Think the timing of it being in between UKIPT/GUKPT/Goliath may have been a factor too as theres only so much live poker people can play in one month.  Even tho the BIs of those events are varied, I think that a lot of 'bigger rolled' players would have played the Grand Prix simply cos every DTD event is so well run/excellent cash games it is worth the trip.

Hope that people turn out and support this tho.  Looking forward to the next Grand Prix tho regardless of whether its a 60€ or 100€BI.

Lol I won a sat tuesday and I've not
Been entered!!! The guy who came 2nd in my sat has been tho?!
Very odd.
Email sent!!!

Im sure it will be sorted, good luck x

PS If there is a car share going from Bristol let me know please and I will give it a go.

i just dont get these statements ITS A 250k prizepool thats 1k entry prizepool

i really hope a miracle happens to  minimize this overlay ill be heading to Leicester gala this week to spread the word.

What's not to understand? The market this tournament is aimed at is the lower end of the market and simply the majority of these players aren't rolled for what's technically a €60 rebuy. With the poor online structure these buyins can soon add up and people just aren't willing to spend more than €120.

Granted there is now an anticipated huge overlay which will no doubt encourage people to have a couple more goes but unless the majority of this target market have suddenly turned into a bunch of mindless gamblers they aren't going to part with more money they can afford to lose, that's just the way it is and I believe the prize point is a big factor to the low turnouts.

i disagree my Mr's ain't rolled   to buy in any 60 euro tourney.... let alone re enter,

 so she made use of the satellites that have been running for months ...(2 euros) and she got 3 golden chips total spend 30ish euro

this is a massive prizepool why would you not take advantage for a little outlay.

That's fair enough. I'm just going by what I know from friends that are playing. I'd say there is roughly 7 of them and all of them have set a limit of 2/3 buyins max and one of the reasons is because they can't afford to enter more than a few times.

The overlay is great but if someone can't afford to keep re-entering time after time then they can't afford it, regardless of the value.

I think it's important we try and identify where the issues are with this tourney in order to help DTD nail in 100% next time.

Not sure that it's a 'poor online structure' - it's the same structure as the live one with a shortened clock reflecting the increased hands/hour...

If there's a fault in this I think it's the terminology that's been used. Referring to the current round of tournaments as 'Day One' seems to have confused a lot of the people I've talked to about entering. I think it may have been better to have marketed it as a 250,000 guaranteed deepstack which could only be entered via the satellites/qualifiers.
Run the qualifiers over a much longer period with satellites running alongside right up to the last - I'd be running satellites today and probably through to Thursday. I'd run some through the day too, it's school/university holidays and even if a 1300 satellite only generated one extra 60E buyin then that's one more off the overlay.

I didn't think I was free next weekend but now find that i am and had my first shot aat qualifying on Saturday. I'll be trying again. One time I'd like the software to not dick me over with flopped 2nd nuts running into flopped nuts...

Hi guys - Obv support to DTD and hope the overlay is not too bad but a guess the report of such a huge overlay can only help the potential number of players involved and give the players added value without crippling a much loved club.

I heard through the grapevine that you were extending the Online day 1's into this week is this a true fact? if so do you have any details?

7pm and 9pm nightly 60 euros with reentries

Cheers!

Would be nice if the amiount going through was guaranteed at a min of 10% , I think there was an online one with 24 runners which got 2 seats was was 8.3%, then again maybe that would cause logistical problems

That apart I will continue to support this by mindlessly donking off more cash ;)

25 runners = 3 seats = 12% it all evens out in the long run
I had arbboy on my table on saturday night encouraging all and sundry to bust out and re-enter to take us from 24 to 25 and increase seats by 50%

Yes, I have no problem in the fairness, was just an idea to maybe attract a few more and limit losses

Howabout running some all in satellites at the club? 10 players, €60 each, flipament, winner gets seat. I'll play till I get one...I'm good at them skill games you see!

Can someone give me cliffs on the tourney and when I'd have to play live if "won/qualified" online?

Loads 0f online and live Day 1's/Flights/Sats , call them what you will

10% of each go trhough to Day 2 on Saturday with a guaranteed cash, Day 2 starts as a fresh game with 15k chips each

And after day 2- it's played every day until finish?

Can't play in this case

lol

I think the/a problem here (with hindsight) is the GP appeals to £5 and £10 players. Lots of minibuses, for example, turned up for previous GPs full of pub league players with polo shirts bearing theeir names and colours etc. I spoke to some, who said that £50 was way above their normal buy in, they'd never been to DTD but had decided to make a weekend of it etc etc

€60 re-entry is above the comfort zone for these guys

Yeah I get that, but I'm sure if they announced it at midnight or whatever, they would get 2 or 3 tables worth of players nipping over from the cash games, that's 1800 off the overlay, surely worth a punt.

You would be suprised how many ppl play like nits in 1/2 then play £50 PLO flips at the end of the night.

Cough stato cough

Great idea!! And probably the best way for Rotty to win a seat and belive it or not i think he is even more lucky than you Mitch... lol

Well we shall see about THAT!

Thats how you play tourneys anyway. Consistently get your money in as a 9:1 dog and one of these times, you'll win that 6th one in a row and ship the whole comp.

Fwiw I think the idea is brilliant and ppl will defo do it. Get on it DTD.

It's played for two days, so it will finish on the Sunday.

Have you played a DTD £300? Think of it like this- it's the DTD £300, guaranteed at 500 runners- goes on for 2 days, 15k chips, 40 minute levels, DTD festival structure. Unlike a regular £300, you have to qualify by satellite- you can't just turn up on Saturday and pay the entry fee. The satellites are running all this week at the club, and twice a night online, and they cost 60 euro. 1 in 10 go through regardless of runners.

The problem DTD have got is that not enough people are entering the satellites to make 500 people on Saturday.

Everyone who makes it to Saturday will get paid out.

Does this help?

i suggest this every month, never once seen one run - pretty sure they would be popular

They sometimes do them before the 300s if they're looking like having an overlay.

They've happened a few times before and are always very popular and really entertaining. Definitely think DTD should run them for every deepstack / big comp.

Pretty much reiterates the point I was making on the previous page. 1,000% agree.

Quick question - as you can now re-enter into the SAME flight you busted from - do you have to pay the reg fee again or is it just a standard re-buy?

Looks like they are running four online satellites every evening now if I've read the text message I just received correctly...

+ Reg fee again.

You're in already, aren't you?

It's a re-entry at 60E

4 online tourneys tonight, I'd still like to see some in the daytime though - I can't be the only one who'd play them?

They have chip n chair satty's to some of their reg tourneys on DTD- can they not do this for the 60 Euro flights? Make it like 5 Euro and make the comp a flip

I like the idea of the €60 flips and have even suggested this to DTD via email.

Maybe even make them juice free just to try to reduce the overlay.

Possibly run some hyper turbos as well.

Having thought about it though it kind of defeats the object of it being a 3 day comp as you would then have different structures for day 1.

Even though we all know that day 1 is a satellite that's not really the point.

If DTD go down this route to drum up some interest I think they need to do them online as well as live and reduce the juice.

The likes of Dubai who might consider this comp for the value won't travel to Notts to spend a few quid flipping for something that they might not even get in.

If they can spend a few hundred online then it may be worth it as they would then be travelling for an €800 to €1000 comp with a €250k guarantee.

Make them 1 chip auto all in and give plenty of time to register and some people might just reg a few and forget all about them hoping to get in.

Yes, but this doesn't prevent them from spamming me!

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/blog.php?profile=4

Maybe they know you run the 4th best poker blog in the country?

It's an outrage

well maybe slightly

ok well probably true recently ;)

I don't think they can really do direct day 2 buyins or flippaments or whatever since it's not really fair on the people who qualified already. We all know that most people who are playing (including me) aren't qualified for a genuine 500 euro buy-in.

I see your point but I am much more concerned about the club on this occasion. We're not talking about a big greedy casino who has no regard for the players. DTD has always tried to do best for poker players imo and therefore we can break a few rules on this occasion

I think the angle of "we must support the club" is a bit overdone. Fair enough, I am glad DTD exists, think it has had a great effect on the UK poker scene that would live on even if it disappeared tomorrow, and I'm grateful for the money Rob has put into poker. In general, I try and make sure most of my live play is there for that reason.

But at the end of the day how they run their business is up to them, and if they end up running a huge overlay through bad judgement on their part, it's not our fault.

Agree to disagree on this one. I for one, will continue to actively support DTD.

+1

Disclaimer: Already won a Day 2 seat :)

me also and i already have day 2 seat or would be there now trying

How many blokes you got on the go ?

Im in for the 7pm satty online. Working saturday and sunday but dont expect

to trouble the scorers anyway.

Im playin cause Rob's got balls and I would hate him losing them.

lol just noticed this ....

wp

Ive heard Rob's next holiday is a weekend at bracing skeggy. ;D

as a day 2 sat seat winner i do feel a little aggrieved that they are now changing the goal posts as it seems, i mean wasnt the comp advertised as a 20  day 1 comp with 10 percent getting a seat into day 2 ,but now its a 40 day 1 comp 30 online and 10 live , those who have already bagged a seat where obv thinking wow im going to only have to beat 150 runners or so only to now find its going to probably be at least double, also the money with being so few a runners would of gone up too !!!!  i do understand that the club is all about the players and yes mr yong has got balls to do these massive guarentees , but once a tournament structure has been set it seems unfair to change it midway through !!!!

decided to have another go at this and it appears that not only is it on 4 times per night but it is also an unlimited rebuy - presume this just means re-entry?

i too are a day two seat winner and as far as i am concerned dtd can do what they like and hopefully meet that guarantee

long live dtd  

i just hope first is like 50k

thats all i care about

4th in the country? Sick rubs! :P

PM/Email Any of the DTD crew i'm sure they will refund your entry if your not happy!!.

Regards

M

[ ] good suggestion

right firing a bullet - not even sure i can play this w/e so itll just be the 1

7pm online - shows 52 runners. dont think this includes re-entries thouh

no details of numbers of seats anywhere on the client - however prizepool indicates 59 entries in total

does this mean 5 seats or 6?

Rest assured 6 seats

They normally put a pop up message after buy ins end to say how many seats in Day 2. Definitely 6 in the example you give

doesnt matter now - lost 3 hands in succession with 12 left - KQ<53, QQ<88 and AA<99

fired my last bullet i think

I'm up to 25k at the live game. 75 entries so far with another 45 mins of rebuys.

I just won through 1st attempt wiiiiiiii 75 euro min cashhhhhh

(will this be on my hendon mob?)

Wiiiiiii Socialnetworking works, 2 of my Scottish friends are playing online to try and bink a seat. Every little helps.

Pure bubbled the 8pm behind chippyman and jambo.

 Two buy-ins tonight, maybe try again wednesday

Wrote a blog on this:

http://www.atkinator.net/2011/08/dusk-till-dawn-facing-100000-overlay.html

Interestingly, a similar idea in Los Angeles was hugely successful recently.

excellent blog , great read !!!!!

excellent blog , great read

excellent blog. Great read

Thanks for this, superb , well written blog, please can everyone let their friends know via all methods of this fantastic value.

Cheers

ACES

Yes. :)

Nice blog James.

3rd 60 euro gone :( 2 off the seats

try a live one next

Well done Mpower, another one of your posts that is a massive fail.

Here are the results for Mondays live and online flights.

Club produced 12 and online 14.

This gives us a total of 154 and a projected total of 275.

The overlay has decreased to €112,500

Some points to consider...

Based on 275 players first prize will be approx €60,000, to put this in perspective this is equivalent to a 1200 - 1 return ! Even if you have 3 entries it will be 400 - 1. If you play a £1000 comp with 150 players you will get a return of 50 -1, even our £300 Deepstack is " only " 100 -1 .

Some players have been saying they only want to have 1 or 2 entries as min cash is €75, our payout structure ladders from 1.5 increasing in 0.5 increments to 19th then top 18 get %ages, by the time 10 - 15% of the fiield are out min payout will already be €125.

Had we hit the guarantee, you would have had to beaten 499 players to get a huge return, now it will be far less and the payout increments will increase quicker.

And finally, one player wriote to me asking if he didn't turn up for Day 2 where would he finish. As we are using our Deeptack structure 15,000 chips 45 min clock i know we have 17% of the field after 12 levels, i have calculated a dead stack would blind away by level 10 when approx 70% of the field will be out, even with 500 players i would expect 150th to pay €350. I would prefer not to have too many dead stacks but if you genuinely can't make it, it is still worth investing €120 for a guaranteed return, those that can get here, even if you are travelling 200 miles it is worth it for a shot at €60,000 and the ones that come will have less players to beat.

Please, if you agree with the points above spread the word and help me reduce the guarantee to a respectable €50,000.

Cheers

ACES

Simon:
If you have 250 runners (as an eg)
Will nim cash remain at €75....or as its half the feild missing, would it be right to assume that all payouts would just double....ie min cash = 150€ and so on.......

Anyways my views on the event

I'm kinda torn here tbh

I only took 2 attempts and qualified for an €120 outlay so obv chuffed at that

Would i have even bothered playing Day 1s if they were all rebuys? Prob not as my roll doesn't allow me to flutter this sort of money away HOWEVER big the guarantee

Adding all these extra day 1s is understandable, but i suppose i am a little perturbed as i bought in on the 2nd day of qualifiers as i knew what i was entering. However i thought from the get-go that it would struggle to get to its guarantee and i was right, kinda why i entered tbh.

Now, sat in Day 2 (altho bloody online and live accounts are knackered so I'm not listed ....oops) i am found that the overlay i predicted (and as a greedy person, entered for) could very well not be there....so i suppose i can be a little miffed.

I dont want DTD to take a hit, as it does provide things that we dont have else where HOWEVER adding all of these extra days in desperation is kinda frustration for those that qualified early to the original format.
When I'm in DTD this weekend, if i bluff allin and get looked up can i actually say "well Ive changed my mind as its costing me money? ill take my chips back on fold instead!"....Obv not, but its kinda what they are doing.

By Guaranteeing a PrizePool, and setting out a format for the tournament, sadly you have to "live by the sword, die by the sword" No? I WOULD like to see, however, if the numbers are 250 or less for them to give something back to the players that have supported the event and maybe increase starting stack, or blind levels....i mean they have changed the goalposts for their benefit, so surely then they can change them for OUR benefit too.

All that said, i think Fezio sums it up...the reasons the #'s are down is that people aren't willing to keep re-entering, and have given up - adding extra day 1s isn't gonna increase the day 2 runners by a lot as people aren't gonna stump more €€€ up.  Think this can be seen with the on line flights getting 20-30 runners....only gonna add ~30ish players

I like the "funky" format, especially the money bubble dynamic kickin in so early on in Day 2,  but think they must have forcast a large %% of recreational players being in the 5000 runners, whereas the €60 buyin only allows them to have 1...2....maybe 3 attempts with all the other events going on.......I know a few people choosing Goliath over this, as they are guaranteed to be in the running, so to speak, for £120 instead of ploughing through the Qualification.

Good idea with a diff format, but it has back fired......Pick yourselves up, Dust yourselves down and think of a new way forward

Interesting post, you entered because you are greedy, you don't want us to take a hit and you agree that adding extra day 1's isn't going to increase the day 2 runners, so your point is ?

By the way, we knew adding online Day 1's wouldn't change how many play and would in fact decrease liquidity in the club which is further detrimental to our revenue but it was clear from the first week that this was extremely popular with the travelling player so we extended to provide the choice.

Thanks for your comments.

ACES

Regarding the "goal posts changing", the Guarantee is still €250,000. the format is still exactly the same, regardless of how many day 1s or re-entry. From the start people were allowed to re-enter (albeit) in a different flight. If people had bullets they would be limited, whether that is 6 bullets in one comp or 6 bullets for different days regardless of how many days it was spread over (online or live). You say you entered because you saw an overlay and wonder if that is still the case??? Trust me there will be a huge overlay, these figures are crazy for a £53 comp!

Does that stand for "welcome to the forum"?!

Think my 3hrs sleep aided to me not conveying the message I wanted.

Basically. The tourney was set. Dont be changing it.
Or is my opinion not allowed?!

Obv I wanna make € but as I said I am worried the club could suffer, maybe an
Over adventurous guarantee and of course i don't want to see them suffer.

I 100% see WHY they have extra day ones, and are trying everything to reduce overlay but the play in a single day 1 DOES change if it's a f/o or rebuy.
I'm glad I got in early as rebuy day 1s are less appealing, to me as a player.

My concern for DTD is that the player pool is pretty dry, which can be seen with the day 1s gettin 20/30 runners, so dunno where these players that have requested extra days.

Let's hope for a good weekend.
Simon, if my post read awful I apologise.

Intrigued on payout structure still.

Hi Simon,

Are there any plans to offer morning/afternoon flights of the blind all in tournie that was suggested earlier.

I'm gonna be at the GUKPT Luton pretty much the rest of the week but would love to play this should I bust out of the ME on Friday.

Thanks,
Ryan

Is this  a European ranking event?

FYP :)

agree
have you ever been to dtd?
they do more for average Joe than any club/casino in the UK ...its has the best dealers floor staff tourney directors etc...
 they put money into the UK poker community every single week with the guarantees..

they put on these massive 250k gte Monte Carlo
                                           100k gte deepstack
                                and now 250k gte for a £50 comp

what the fuck do you want a stt with 1 million gte with a £1 entry with no rake ?

 


[/quote]look at the end of the day no matter what runners there are its gonna be 1 hell of a game , 40 minute clock, 15k in chips this is proper deepstack poker, where i live over in hull my weekly game is basically in a nutshell a 3k crapshoot if we are lucky with no one really having over 10 bb  when sitting down on the final table, so to be able to play in one of these is a dream come true !!!!  its over a 2 hour drive for me everytime i venture over there but everytime its worth it, rob,simon,the staff , valet girls cant do enough for you in my opinion, great place , great atmosphere long live dtd !!!!!!! 

Most incredibly set out post I've ever seen.

Are you in this yet, Alex?

I'm on holiday at the weekend. Thinking about playing anyway and blinding out to a 500€ cash though....

Been to DTD loads of times.
But thanks for tellin me what i already know

Pretty sure, im not that bothered by your 1mill gte tourny....think your just a little bit excited!!

With your enthusiasm they shoulda got you to do the promos for this event, they would hit the gte then!!!

Setting aside the 'greedy'/'not greedy' debate on this, this does explain very well why this format can't be viewed as a single €60 tournament.  It's a higher buy-in event (although the true value isn't known until afterwards, kind of like the old Grosvenor Grand Prix) with a lot of satellites.

DTD are merely increasing the availability of satellites in trying to reduce the overlay, whereas if this truly was a single tournament (in the true sense of the word) then there would be a valid argument that the original structure shouldn't be changed once it's in progress.

Great move to add the daytime qualifiers

Bad that there is no late entry on today's 1500 which leaves us with 14 runners for one seat...
and no confidence in there being a re-entry opportunity...

I'm not happy with this - the 14 initial runners would have been pretty much guarnateed to generate at least 2 seats witrh late and re entries

also the lolbad software which put 9 players on one table and 5 on the other.

Update
re-entry was ok (not needed for me this time..              yet)
we now have 15 buy ins and thus 2 seats

Thanks Simon and others :)

sorry i haven't got the writing skills as you ..or most

i was trying to point out your greed that you would not be happy till you got this.

if you already been to dtd and know who good it is why would you want an overlay apart from greed!

we wanna keep dtd not risk lose it due to overlays.

would help if the online tourneys had late registration, thought they would have 1 hour reg seeing as there are 1 hour re-entries but seems not.

Came home from work, decided i would try again and tried to reg at 7.10 but cant get in.

hence 8pm, 9pm and 10pm starts online

Late reg. on Boss only works until the first player is eliminated. But, if that isn't implemented for these tourneys, then it would be a good step to make it so.

Also, have dtd considered allowing other sites on the network to feature the satellites? I know that would make the whole 'Golden Chip' thing that they are so fond of redundant, but for a game like this, it would have helped reach the gtee.

I've heard a few complaints about the crapshooty nature of the tourneys, so perhaps that is another reason they are less successful than could be?.

Anyway, I hope it's a success, and will probably have a bash at qualifying myself tomorrow night if around.

In at first attempt :D

Weeeeeeeeeeeee

Well played George. See you saturday.

well done to you and evilpie...  

Gonna fire up the 10pm slot for shits and giggles!

Simon
I am not sure people are getting this. For just over £50 you are getting into a level of a major tournament that would have an entry of around £1000
How are they not seeing the value here. I qualified at the club on Sunday with just one extra re-entry and can't wait for day 2
I have a 2 hour journey to the club but just don't see how people are complaint that there is only 75euros min payout.
Surely they should be looking at what they could win not worrying about going out first
Good luck in reducing the overlay in what should be a great tournament


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Wonder how my stack is getting on?

Might have a look in 10 mins

just won the 8pm sat, glad there was no late reg now

whats ya name on dtd i'll have a look also....

Hi All

Things are starting to pick up a little !

Here are the results for Tuesdays live and online flights.

Club produced 18 and online 19.

This gives us a total of 191 and a projected total of 301.

The overlay has decreased to only €99,500

We ran a 3pm online flight that produced 2 seats so have extended online flights to run from 12pm tomorrow. Now you can qualify at a time to suit you.

We did not consider cancelling the tournament, we did not consider lowering the guarantee, we would never allow direct entry to Day 2, everyone has to play a Day 1 live or online, thanks for all the comments on this thread so far whether it was a complaint, praise or suggestion, we always value your opinions.

What is the over / under on €50,000 overlay ?

Cheers


ACES

Me and Hopkin had a sizable bet on the runners for this comp.

We've had to cancel it now because of the goalpost changes but we had the line set at 300 runners in day 2.

I took overs but I wasn't overly confident to be honest.

Fortunately the extra comps and the predicted overlay have combined nicely to get a few value hunters out which is really boosting numbers.

Unfortunately because of the format you've got an ever decreasing day 1 player pool so I still think it'll be over €50k.

I won't be betting on it though ;)

well done both

Are we organising a pre Grand Prix 9 man Nando's credit card roulette trip?

Not yet showing up in the lobby?

edit - the 1200 is there now  :)

Is there any downside in running a 1500 and a 1700 too?  Surely if they need to be cancelled then any who registered will just move on to the next convenient one?

Not for me unfortunately.

Dog walking duties have to come first.

Will see you there at an as yet indeterminate time after the comp actually starts.

(http://theeasymac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mad-man-pulling-hair-out.jpg)

Gym 9am
Ronnie 10-30am
Shower 12 midday
Nandos 12-30pm

I'll come Nando's but no CCR bull for me!

You got a day 2 seat yet?

Yes luv, never in doubt - Well it was in doubt 3 times :) but managed to bag a seat online Monday night x

Thanks for telling me ;)

Nandos 12-30?

Oops, sorry matey. Matt was railing so I just assumed he told you :(

A bit early no?  Can't it be 1pm??

On

Mr Bedi? Anyone else?

I'm up for some pre gp nandos. No ccr tho lol

Im in for Nandos if i get a seat.... just 6 goes so far, lucky number seven maybe..

Either that or Robs flicked my doom switch coz he knows im gonna unload the clip on the sattys  ;grr;

Lol forget the CCR guys, especially if Mitch is coming ;-)

im in for nandoooos :)

that was a hell of a finish you had, from shorty to chip leader in about 3 mins

lol ty it all counts.

I'm going to predict 344 players in day 2

pretty good imo

in fact, somebody should sort out a $5/10 comp, closest ships the lot.

Happy to sort this, last entry 12 midday tomorrow? Cant leave it too close?

Number isnt booked until youve paid, duplicates first payment received gets the number.

People can have as many entries as they like. Winner takes all?

sounds good, except maybe 3 entries max?

I'll have 1-600 pls.

DTD really don't do themselves any favours with this software.

I've just tried to download it. Fail on first two attempts (and I'm not bad with computers), 3rd time got through.

Already got an account but hasnt been used for a vlong time, obv cant remember password, click on lost password and a blank window comes up. No further progress and I'm out.

And that's before you even start playing!

contact live support via dtdpoker.com they'll sort it pdq

Possibly makes more sense, will start a new thread

Good point duplicate numbers are allowed

CF that will be $6000

Hope someone chops it with you ;)

lol I just owned myself

Sorry mate forgot to tell you.

Actually I didn't forget I just didn't do it.

+1

Binked a seat, put me down for Nando's  :)up

the extra sats thru the day have been great value, most only getting 5-7 runners, i'm already in (blatant brag) but a few mates were concerned that if there was only 4 runners they would be playing for nothing, but just spoke to Simon Trumper and he confirmed they wont run unless minimum of 5 runners and people will be refunded.

gl dtd with minimising the overlay

  

pop up says min 4 runners, though if arbboy is in one your guaranteed youll have enough reentries to get a seat gteed

yeah i seen the pop up thats why i called Simon, he confirmed they won't start without 5 runners and players refunded. if u aint in yet these are awesome value, an overlay in a qualifier to an overlay day2............has overlay been mentioned yet :)

arbboy just won a seat............but reduced the overlay by 30k

arbboy finally wins a seat in Day 2...think he needs to get 9th to break even though :)

can i come as the token chinese man ??

ccr for me pls

thats chicken chips and rice


if its not too crazy i will do ccr 200>

free food is too goooooood

Lol @ Arbboy! You want him on your table (but take your iPod)

See you there Paul

What time

Good luck with this. I was going to have a crack given the overlay, but then remembered I had a prior engagement on the Saturday, which is annoying as this looks like incredible value. From the perspective of someone who hasn't looked into the Grand Prix events before, I did find the presentation of the information confusing. Reentries, online and live Day 1s, staggered starting times, etc - it may be a bit too much for a newcomer, and even I was confused by a few elements. It took me a while just to find the dates. I also agree with an earlier point that although we admire your generosity with overlays and how often you put your ass on the line, I think you'd get a similar amount of runners with a smaller guarantee. Nevertheless, I wish you the best of luck with the event, and hope that DTD continue to set the benchmark for UK poker.

1pm

Hi All

Here are the results for Wednesdays live and online flights.

The club has slowed up but the online has done better.

Club produced 15 and online so far today 27.

This gives us a total of 233 and a projected total of  343.

The overlay has decreased to €78,500

It seems that the travelling player has chose as we expected to play online, our only hope of reducing the guarantee any further is we have a last minute rush both live and online on Friday. To facilitate this we are adding a 3rd Day 1 flight at 3.30pm in the hope that with 3 start times there will be at least one that appeals to everyone who hasn't yet played or is willing to give it one more shot.

We really do appreciate everyone that has been supporting Dusk Till Dawn by playing and multi entering or helping to spread the news about the value even after qualifying for day 2. Ultimately i don't think there is anything wrong with the concept but it will be interesting to see what the final unique player number is and whether it is higher than the 1564 of the last Grand Prix, for this to work ideally we needed a minimum of 2000 players and it would appear regardless of the €250,000 guarantee we already had found the max player pool as this level of buy in.


Cheers


ACES

Simon

i find the concept easy to figure out.......

i spent 20 Min's on the phone explaining to a mate (who is an indulgent guy) and at the end of the conversation he still said why cant i buy in on Saturday.

also two others from gala said they would play if it was not a re buy.....i kept saying its re-entry they could not grasp that side of it ....as i said i find that easy but some its just complicated,

especially if they are used to standard gala comps.

just saying .....gl for Saturday

Our local Gala has embraced the concept of re-entry for it's regular tourneys. Not sure on numbers but there should be a decent contingent in from Teesside.

is there anywhere we can see the payouts table for the grand prix 250,000 ???????

Find tournament on the DTD site and look at payouts for a very rough idea but this clearly won't be finalised until the number of entrants is final

thanks  !!!!

how do you go about persuading someone who doesn't want to play a rebuy that this is better when it's essentially a rebuy but with juice? surely they'd be less likely to play this format than a standard rebuy

The major difference to my mind is that rebuys always start shortstacked and additional chips are available to top up from the beginning. This is a re-entry which is reasonably deepstacked at the start and re-entry is only available if you bust out.
It may increase some people's gamble factor in the early stages but not to the same extent as a standard Gala £10 madness.

I know this can't be done now, but would have been good if only the top 20% of even 50% (if need be) of Day 2 players cashed.

Min cashing for a little bit over one bullet doesn't appeal as a MTT player, but I'm sure many would disagree and be happy that they're guaranteed a little something.

A higher % of qualifiers and lower % of day 2 cashers would have been better imo, mean mugs like me might actually have had a chance of qualifying. Spunking bullets ftw!! Might have even knocked a few K off the overlay idk?

One more chance for me, tomorrow night, LIVE. FML.

It went a bit downhill once they changed it to allow re-entry in to the same comp you'd just bust out of.

That definitely makes it much more similar to a rebuy.

Not complaining btw because that's how I got my ticket.

When it was unlimited re-entry but only to a separate day 1 I think it was much better but obviously was going to lead to a ridic overlay and had to be changed.

I think they should have 5 man sit & go's in the club all day tomorrow.

fyp

I'm embarrassed to say how many bullets it took.

 ;ashamed;

Ok, enough is enough. Final 2 bullets tonight making 6 in total. Run KQ into AA on a JTJA board, then run KK into AA. gg DTDonline, you have successfully crushed my soul. :p

lol.. I'm guessing 12...

Have we got an answer on whether you can transfer the seat to someone else if you win a second seat?!?!

Yes

NO

Regards

M

no u can't

u could only transfer sat tokens if u made day2 without using them all

the ans is deffinetly a no i contacted customer support this afternoon !!!!

Simon Trumper says pllease play as many more day 1s you can after you won a day two seat tho kthxbye :)

was answered in
Grand Prix IV Live Updates thread

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9 days ago

Errrr that's interesting. Just spoke to Kimberly on live support:


Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Kimberley'

Your Issue ID for this chat is XXXX

Kimberley: Hello.  How may I assist you?

you: Hi I've won a seat to the grand prix this Saturday. If I play another online satty today and win a seat can I transfer it to someone else?

Kimberley: yes

you: ok thank you

Kimberley: no problem

Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

From the previously mentioned thread: Reply  by Simon Trumper C+P by me


Hi Stuart

If you make Day 2 twice you will not be able to transfer your seat so will just lose the buy in for the second day 1 I'm afraid.

Cheers

Simon

its not a satty
its day1
i asked live support weeks ago as i had a few sat wins into Day 1
was a clear no then cannot see how could be different now

Just to confirm, if you already played a day 1 seat and got through to day 2, you cannot win another one and transfer. It is a day 1, not a sat. The reception may well have been confused if it was called a sat.

Hi All

Here are the results for Thuesdays live and online flights.

The club has picked up but the online has leveled out.

Club produced 20 and online so far today 26.

This gives us a total of 269 and a projected total of  356.

The overlay has decreased to €72,000

It is all down to tomorrow, if we have an uplift in the club we may get the overlay dwon to €60,000 ! There are 3 flights left at 12pm, 3.30pm and 7pm, we are expecting 150 in the 12pm and 200 in the 7pm, no idea what the 3.30pm will get. Online there will be Day 1's every 30 minutes until 11am Saturday morning.

Cheers

ACES

wow , scarey , just a thought but i wonder just what the overlay would of been if they had stuck to the original 10 live and 10 online day 1s , any guesses ????

ALOT

€119,500

Is there a live feed for the GP?

you think they can afford one?

Enjoy my rake guys.

Hi All

Final chances to qualify for Day 2 of the Grand Prix.

The 12pm flight had a poor turn out of 93, we were hoping for 150, the 3.30pm has 67 and the 7pm has just 85 bought in so far but we expect at least 180. The crossover of players from the 12pm to 3.30pm has been good so we are adding a last chance live Day 1 at 10.30pm tonight for all the 7pm players that bust out after late reg at 10.15pm and want to have one last bullet. Online traffic has dried up, most are only getting 1 seat. The online Day 1's will run right through to 12pm tomorrow.

We are projecting 360 players through to Day 2, this means we are effectively adding €70,000 to make up the €250,000 guaranteed prize pool ! First prize will be approx €52,500 and you will have far less players to beat to win it than the 500 we hoped for.

Thanks again for your support, €70,000 is a big improvement on the €119,500 projected on Monday, it looks like we definitely got our sums wrong with the guarantee and number of players available to play it so for all those that make it into the money tomorrow it will be very exciting to move up the payout throughout the day and aim for the huge first prize, also don't forget all those with Golden Chips have a shot at winning an additional Mini or £15,000 if they finish in the final 8.

Cheers

ACES

Is there a live satty at 10.30pm??? Never thought I would get the chance to play one of these due to football tonight, though i finish at 9.30pm and could be there by 10.30pm.. A sign if you ask me. Please tell me this is true!

Yes craigy get therrrrrrrrrrre!!!!

sure i seen somewhere that the final table is being streamed

I played live at the club last night. Crashed out the 7pm flight at about 12.30. Still time for late entry to the 10.30. I ended up qualifying, when the bubble burst in that, at exactly 7am this morning.

[X] Just woken up from about 3hrs sleep
[ ] Will play well today

Should be fun. Red Bulls and Coffee ftw.