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Need help understanding this hand......nt #475222671, $3.00+$0.30 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/12/04 15:54:36 WET [2011/12/04 10:54:36 ET]
Table '475222671 15' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: AgentOrgange (2877 in chips)
Seat 2: VoinKoron (2405 in chips)
Seat 3: ziarek24 (5450 in chips)
Seat 4: murmurAs (2790 in chips)
Seat 5: jura2002 (2985 in chips)
Seat 6: 450deejay (3045 in chips)
Seat 7: SLEEPER11111 (2755 in chips)
Seat 8: magnif7 (2970 in chips)
Seat 9: Schnuppi10 (4965 in chips)
AgentOrgange: posts small blind 15
VoinKoron: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to magnif7 [2h Qc As Ks]
ziarek24: folds
murmurAs: folds
jura2002: calls 30
450deejay: folds
SLEEPER11111: raises 30 to 60
magnif7: raises 90 to 150
Schnuppi10: folds
AgentOrgange: folds
VoinKoron: folds
jura2002: folds
SLEEPER11111: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [9d 5d 4s]
SLEEPER11111: checks
magnif7: bets 150
SLEEPER11111: calls 150
*** TURN *** [9d 5d 4s] [5s]
SLEEPER11111: checks
magnif7: checks
*** RIVER *** [9d 5d 4s 5s] [8s]
SLEEPER11111: bets 180
magnif7: calls 180
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SLEEPER11111: shows [Ac Kh 3c 2d] (HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 8,5,4,2,A)
magnif7: shows [2h Qc As Ks] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,5,4,2,A)
magnif7 collected 518 from pot
SLEEPER11111 collected 259 from pot
magnif7 collected 258 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1035 | Rake 0
Board [9d 5d 4s 5s 8s]
Seat 1: AgentOrgange (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: VoinKoron (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ziarek24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: murmurAs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jura2002 folded before Flop
Seat 6: 450deejay folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: SLEEPER11111 showed [Ac Kh 3c 2d] and won (259) with HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 8,5,4,2,A
Seat 8: magnif7 showed [2h Qc As Ks] and won (776) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,5,4,2,A
Seat 9: Schnuppi10 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I win high hand with a-high flush, and split low with a/2 low, i thought that u can only use two cards mine being  Aspades Ks, can u use another two cards for low including  Aspades, basically using  Aspades twice?? help please!!!!

yes, you can use the  Aspades twice.

It's a very marginal and very small threebet, i'd avoid that. Flop is ok, but defo turn barrell needed to convince bare diamonds/one pair hands to fold. defo only call river.

thanks m8

only call river? cant be 3/4 him more than we can us?

what you expecting him to show up with?

raising river is huge spew and turning a decent hand into a bruff.

the river raise would be for value btw.

i dont play hilo ofc just asking.

against what hand?

if he's particularly spazzy you might get him to call with A2 and diamonds or a bare 5 and diamonds, but unlikely. all his other combo draws that make some straights or none nut flushes raise the flop anyway.

raise river 100% of the time

it was my initial though too

Prolly do a raise on river given villains line

This isnt the nightly $100 on stars we can raise the river here how hand is played.

Small 3 bet here isnt bad but not knowing that you can use the As twice is.

spoke to 5 people who play hilo and confirmed river raise is std :D

Marc must have misread board I guess as he plays alot more hilo than me.

Flat pre, check back flop, bet turn, pot river.

in a $3 tourney you should definitely pump the river
I'd usually flat pre btw. turn is for barrelz.

i see why homer wants to check back flop, but i bet it.

(as for OP's original question you can use any two cards for high and then any two for low, including neither, one or both of the cards you used to make your high)

maybe in a $3 tournament betting the river is ok because people will be bad and call with worse/no-hands etc.

betting this river against anyone competent without a very good reason to is a huge mistake and where I get a lot of my edge in split pot games.

really though? everyone ive asked all said its super standard raise?

it's horrible. you should never be getting called by worse.

you might get A2xx to fold, but it doesn't matter because you quarter them anyway so you don't mind if they call, but then you hate your life when they pull the trigger and jam.

that's all in a vacuum ofc, there might be good reasons to with history, etc etc.

given the action you're getting 3 quartered by one hand, A288 (maybe A258 as well)  and there's a ton of hands that will bet for value and call the raise.  I see your general point about it being really bad when they do have you 3/4 and come back over the top, but a) with this action and board its incredibly unlikely for him to have you beat, and b) this is less of a problem in tournaments generally as tournament stacks will restrict the 3b to being less than full pot.

lol wat?

People play PLO8 the abs worst, you're getting called by trips, worse flushes, straights, two pair hands and even just the nut low with no high. Besides, you pot A3xx (where xx makes you a full house) right? People never fold A-2 in my experience, flatting this river is akin to burning money, are you only going to raise nut-nut hands on the river? Really?

Spence, our equity on the flop isn't huge here and getting c/raised makes us hate life. The most important thing imo about PLO8 is being prepared to check back flops a lot of the time when we don't have ridic strong hands. We don't want people folding their worse low draws on the flop if they don't have anything else.

I don't disagree with any of this, but here we've 3b pre and got a flop that should fit our 3b range pretty well, while stacks are awkward for him to checkraise.  I just don't think we get checkraised here very often at all, esp in a tournament and esp in a low-buyin tourney.  And betting means lots of good things can happen.  We're happy if he just folds, we can take free card or barrel turn depending, and the pot bloat in position with plenty of money behind favours us.

Had we flatted pre and been led into then i would just flat this flop.

Once you have 3b pre, bet flop turn and river. As played raise river