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I'm not sure how interesting this hand even is but I'll share it with you all anyways, was a kinda weird spot.

I'm been at the table >2 orbits, the blinds are 150/300. Since sitting down me and Andy have been exchanging banter pretty much non-stop.

I open from a 27k stack (done 10% my chips already fishhh) with  Aspades Qd in the UTG2 position to 750.

Red-Dog playing about 32-33k calls in the HJ. Andy calls playing about 55-60k in the SB, BB folds.

Flop (2550)  Qs 6h 5s

Andy Checks. I check. Red Dog bets 2,100. Andy Calls I call.

Turn (8850)  9s

Andy leads for 5600. WE ?

Before I get a ton of grief for my flop check, I'm well aware that betting this flop is > checking, but I'd set out in this tournament to conduct an experiment with my post-flop play, cba going into what I was experimenting but I taking a LOT of passive lines post-flop all day (i'm aware as well, this specific spot is even worse a spot to check given the two players I'm against) so no berating my flop play please. FWIW this was the first hand I'd played so this isn't relevant to the hand

Anyone tempted to fold the flop?
What we all planning to do now this turn business has gone on?

Would love Titbeam to tell me what my hand looked like once I overcall the flop in his eyes, I have no idea what he thinks I could have (remember this was the first hand I've played)

whats the turn?

rather crucial piece of info omitted there, apologies

Raise on the flop?

As played I think I'd flat the bet on the turn, we still have nut outs on the river.  I think flatting gives us more pot control on the turn and it suits our line of playing passively?

Looks like you played the hand medium week tbh

If we're experimenting I like a limp pre and a 20x pot lead on the flop please.

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yh its interesting. like I think we can be super confident of having a better hand than Andy - I know he peels more high card hands from the blinds than most but at the same time Red-Dog is prolly the least likely person to bluff/semi-bluff this flop, I think he was to semi-bluff he'd need the NFD or 7s 8s. Not sure what he'd do with QJ and QT but I think he bets KQ AQ 56 55 66 As Xs and 7s 8s 100% and I'm not actually sure he ever bets much else, but I might be wrong.

That experiment failed. Faz and Moose been trying it for years.

As a serious response, I'd just call once I've checked the flop and fold the turn. I don't know how this guy plays but I'm happy giving him credit for a hand here. We need 30% and his vrange has us drawing to 25% with the distinct possibility that someone blocks us. Not to mention other guy can reopen the betting.

Glad you put this one up MW.

Subtle brag you can afford to experiment in 1k tournaments? In play i'd have no idea what you have so thats messing with my head. I don't think you can be infront of the turn donk and i think if you call it looks exactly like you have the Aspades. I guess it depends on what they think of your peel range, but i can't imagine anyone having one as pfr unless it was something like KsQx and shizzle like that. Could the turn bet be 78 which also got there?

lol. well....lol. this wasnt the first time i'd experimented with the style I decided to play in this tourney, I've been experimenting with my approach to FLOP/TURN post flop play for a couple of weeks but exclusively in cash games, I was really keen to test the approach in a live tournament and with the structure of the monte carlo it was the ideal tournament. However I firmly believe (and tbh I knew this pre MC, and started to believe this even firmer during this tournament) if you want to tone down your aggression (in live MTT's) it's not your post flop play you should be looking at as much as your pre-flop play, as taking a more passive post flop strategy without adjusting your pre-flop strategy will basically just mean you spend your life bluff catching with ranges slightly weaker than they should be - not a cool spot to be in from a theory perspective and boring as fuck from a real life perspective.

In hindsight, my strategical approach to the MC was poor, but hey we live and we learn - Merry Xmas :) 

this is why playing PLO messes with your head. I know Titty prob has a strong hand but I wanna raise now and get angry when he doesnt fold.

What does raising achieve? if you're continuing you have to call.

SO you fold the Js Ts obv

I have no idea wtf is he leading for, if I had a flush i'm pretty sure i'd be clicking call but then again what do I know rotflmfao

Although i dont know Red-Dog.. I think he can easily be betting the flop with 77-JJ thinking he has the best hand at this point and trying to win it there when checked to.

Even though your trying out something new.. i think on this specific flop you should be leading out as our hand isnt strong enough to be 'trapping' / playing passively as there are a fair few turn cards we dont like to see 9s for example...

In this situation, with how this has been played im folding the turn.. my reaons for this are; Andy 'could' have 78xx and if a spade hits the river we're probably not getting paid... Andy could already have a flush and unless he has the Ks we're hardly ever getting paid when another spade hits (and its to much of our stack to put in right now)... Im NEVER raising the turn as we're just turning our hand into a bluff and what stronger hands are we getting to fold here except possibly Q9xx... Red-Dog is still to act behind us and 'could' have ATLEAST a set...

We REALLY REALLY need to be betting the flop!!!!

I bet he had the 4c in his hand?

2 broccoli = the nuts

When you showed the 4 of broccoli I was certain you had 47 or 34  for the up & down draw.

I think his hand is exactly 4c 7c

good peel out of the blinds with the 7high there kid.

I had a read on the medium weak preflop raiser. Felt like I wanted to play pots with him because he was doing lots of flop checks and terribad medium-weak turn folds innit. xx

sigh. looks like you were right.

Result of this hand were that I folded, due to pretty much the reasons rob said, Andy line makes sense, I'm not doing GREAT vs RED's range either and I'm not closing the betting + i'd been sat down two orbits and didn't wanna look like a prize chump busting within 30minutes lol :P

I was tempted to call, then jam over a river bet as a bluff pllooooooooooey-style :P

Lol of course you were mate ;)

sigh, gd call

agree with what rob says, and i don't think your deep enough to call turn check/jam river, plus the line wouldn't make sense after checking flop imo lil d. How would you proceed if you took this line and hit a spade?

HOW CAN I BE BLUFFING THOUGH :D - lol your right ofc, complete spew :)

I imagine if I'd called the turn and rivered a spade then andy would have chk/folded, as my range is pretty dominated by spade/pair combo's OTT/River. I'd have defo jammed as well, I can't see andy having much of a calling range outside of the  Ks Xs here, and he'll almost defo fold  Ks Js and  Js Ts which are prolly his two most likely turn flushes. So my only real hope of getting paid is that Andy levels himself into a spazzy call off, so may as well justt pile and hope today's the day :) Can't see him ever bluffing a spade river?

pretty sure after the turn sizing as well if andy bet the river he'd just jam, basically a PSB back. The one spot that's gross is when he jams the river on a brick, prolly just have to fold which would make the turn call even worse

It'd be so awesome if it comes 3o and I bet and you jam, how long would I take to call.... I wonders  4c