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Geo

WP Redknapp

Just in time.....

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fuck. i hope nobody had a price on Capello not to be in charge for euro 2012, i was going to look for a price this afternoon and forgot.

Wow. Too early for redknapp?

wow, sick.

fuck redknapp though, I want somebody young and exciting who can take a young team to the championships and give it a good go.

Like who pleno? Harry by far and away is the stand out candidate

redknapp is a grade a *****, we have alot of players who i actually like for the first time in agesssssss, having him in charge just put me totally off again.

Rafael Benitez please.

I think they will put pearce in charge until the euros then bring redknapp in after

Fuck no. Benitez would be awful

Tony Pulis obviously

hiddink would be awesome.

beckham?

Is there really any realistic chance it will be anyone other than Redknapp.  Wonder if the FA will pony up for literacy lessons after his admission he cannot write a letter and spells like a two year old?

How many friendliest between now and the Euros? Harry Redknapp part time IMO. Full time after this season.

About time too, watched England Home And Away, shockin Manager, Redknapp, will be at Cheltenham doing all his doe, and very unlikely to get the job anyway.

Mad how underrated Rafa is.
Great manager, amazing when preparing for one off games too. Won a few cups in his time too!

Chris Hughton!

HAS to be redknapp part time.

Got Spurs playing the best football the premiership has seen for YEARS.

you know pardew is actually really good at playing against better teams and organising the team and picking players for the role rather than just high profile players.

i.e he would never play lampard and gerrard together (he alwyas benches HBA)

he has put a mid table Newcastle team above Arsenal and Liverpool. He could really do good against teams like Portugal who we alwyas alwyas struggle vs

Good manager or not the guy is inspiring, uncharasmaric and slightly nuts

I've heard it all now

Stuart Pearce trending on Twitter


he's 4th favourite with the bookies.

Hiddink plz, glad he's gone.

Zomg Bodgson 3rd fave. I swear if it happens I'm never supporting England again.

Mclaren?

Let's get venables back in and a team full of boozers! At least we had fun in '96

Are Del Bosque or Aragones "inspiring" though?

Rafa wouldn't be my pick (it really should be an Englishman) but he gets the players, the league and the tempo England MUST play at. Hes tactically excellent and great at one off games. Especially versus superior sides. We could do worse.

Haha this post is genius.

Lol at Benitez, that would be horrid. Agree with pardew being a top manager and under rated imo. Must be Harry thou <3 Harry

Whoever it is comes into a no lose scenario. I just hope they go balls out, put pace everywhere and go for it.

fuck harry, anybody who isn't a spurs fan must hate him surely, hate the way he taps players up etc. just a mug.

Wouldn't want aragones or del bosque either.

Pardew 4th face just highlights the lack of candidates behind harry. A season and a half managing a club with good variance hardly qualifies u for the England job

I'm lumping on Big Ron.

completely failed at charlton.

pardew is a grade A cock too.

You catch on pretty quick sometimes..

Apparently they're seeking the permission of the accountant who apparently runs his life!

Including Harry surely? Harry is basically Mike Bassett isn't he?

And I think the aragones and del bosque point was that they are managers that have won stuff at international level.

Neil Warnock is available right now :)
on sky now and wants  it

Harry is not basically mike basset.

I could have managed Spain and won. They are hands down the most talented team in the world.

Pearce would be a dire choice I think, really bad if he gets it

Having said that I can't think of a great choice - Hoddle is a decent shout but no chance I assume.

Wouldn't mind Pardew at all

Guess it will be Redknapp though - fair enough, prob deserves a go

Fwiw, why would Redknapp (or even Pardew) want to leave a good club for a ridiculously tough job?

Cos its sposed to be the pinnacle right?

Mouriniho is perfect for this!

mourinho would be incred.  Get us defending and counter attacking like we should rather than trying to play like Barca when we haven't got a prayer.

Sigh... The manager of Greece in 2004 then.

I disagree with the Pearce comment. The only way England are to progress is with the current crop of youngsters who are doing extremely well with their respective clubs and have all turned out for psycho at under 21 level. He knows them, he will not take the adolescent behaviour shown by more experienced internationals and he's English. What's another overseas number one FA choice going to bring? Same old, promise and no end product costing millions a year for what? Redknapp is surely exposed and the honeymoon period will soon burst.

It's a shame Martin O'Neill has just found employment!

lumpy bets are going down on Hiddink

Variance.

Sorry if I'm coming across as a Dick. Just really think harry is the clear cut choice

Southgate for a safe pair of hands temporarily?

If you're being a dick then I'm being one too so apologies if it's coming across like that. Just opinions innit.

Hiddink/Mourinho>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Redknapp. Mourinho would be incred.

Give the job to Wenger.

He'd be a terrific International manager.

Fantastic 'fk you' to Redknapp from Capello.

He had to put up with the constant drone for Harry to get the job straight after the Euros (from him, from his dimwit son on Sky, from dreary fks like Shearer) to clean up the disaster that Capello was obviously going to inflict on us all in Poland and Ukraine.

By quitting today, the FA still can't get Redknapp in till after the Euros (Levy won't let him go before then, either permanently or part-time), but the FA can't have a caretaker manager in for the Euros - no one half-decent will take the job with the certainty that Harry will come in after the Euros - they will want a contract through to the next World Cup at a minimum.

So the FA will have to look for a permanent non-Redknapp manager, and Harry will be shut out until 2014, by which time the Spurs moment in the sun will have ended and they'll be back battling Aston Villa and Everton for 8th every year.

Incred ! Gazza is on SSNEWS and saying bring venables back

Let's get it trending

#venablesforengland

Shakes head at the old duffers at the FA

Hiddink is 16/1 and has said he is interested!

Rednapps first team

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This has made my night, wp mate


Edit:  still crying

Geo

Victor Chandler have just cut Tikka Terry's odds from 80/1 to 50/1.

The mind boggles at what people will bet on.

Harrys achievments as a manager

Pretty lol

As a manager
 Bournemouth Football League Division Three: 1986–87
 Football League Trophy: 1983–84
 West Ham United UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999
 Portsmouth Football League Division One: 2002–03
 FA Cup: 2007-08
 Tottenham Hotspur Football League Cup runners up: 2009


U cant make this country up. MEDIA HYPE FTW

Another one:

https://twitter.com/#!/AFCAMDEN/status/167344531992350720/photo/1

this

BUT HE IS ENGLISH and we had enovv of all these foreign mugs

You say that but Fabio's won the lot and managed bugger all with England.   I'm not that bothered what the manager has or hasn't won prior to becoming the next England manager but he's got to be the right one.  I'd like it to be Harry so hopefully Spurs season will start to decline :D

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Defo an A

would have been A+ if included Scotty Parks with a big heart next to it

Agree completely with this


And, thinking about it, agree with this too, but I don't think he'd last 6 months with his popularity and the English press.


For me #1 choice is Mourinho, but wouldn't be unhappy if Redknapp is given the chance.

Not at all, totally agreeing on Redders.

Asides who it will be, completly shocked at Capello resigning, didn't think he would ever resign.

Wenger is a great shout.

That will never happen, not a chance.

French job's being talked about at the moment too, words going round that Wenger may take that.

Yeah I don't think he'd want it, assuming that's what you mean ?

+1

But..... Its all set up for Harry  !

Disagree.
If Redknapp wants it (I probably wouldn't in his position) I'm sure the FA will let him do Spurs till the end of the season (again I don't see why as he won't win the title so if you're taking England job then just take it) We only have 1 friendly before end of season. We could easily pretend not to have found a manager by then.
Think a few would fancy it on a 1 tournament job - Somebody like Hiddink has nothing to lose. If he does well he enhances his rep and gets a good job (Spurs, Real, Chelsea, England) If he doesn't he gets a fat cheque and says it was hard only working with players a few weeks before the tournament and didn't have enough time to make the team his own.
Capello just saved the FA a chunk of money.

Let's look at the requirements for the job.

1 - English
2 - Established record of success, ideally recent success at an international level
3 - Ability to inspire awe and devotion among those around him
4 - Makes those he is competing against play below their best, crumbling their self-confidence

There is clearly one outstanding candidate for the job.

I present the man who should lead England to glory!



























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Ha u was closer with Mike Bassett!

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Latest odds to replace capello...

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/england-specials/next-permanent-manager

so am I the only person that thinks the fa waited for the redknapp verdict before telling capello he could quit or be sacked?

harry to be brought in sooner rather than later, maybe part time, moyes to replace him at spurs. it's all so simple

According to Wikipedia, Pearce has been appointed caretaker manager.

Well, based on results (what else), Capello has been England's most successful manager ever by a long way, with Ramsay, Hoddle, Greenwood & Eriksson all almost equal next with hardly anything between them percentage-wise.

pearce and brooking joint caretaker managers according to the mail

hardly a dream team

Just remembered Fabio missed his sons wedding for a friendly! He was doing the trying to get the sack thing all wrong!

Can't understand all the hype about Redknapp. How many years has he been around while achieving very little? All well and good saying he hasnt had the chance to manage a top team, but there must be a reason why he has never had a top job.

Fair enough he ain't bad, but he is being talked about like some sort of God.

Harry Kurrptnutt if he gets the job how long before all the old tales of his bungs and betting history comes out?

Yeah - Redknapp has been lucky in that he has had a pretty good season at Tottenham the same year that Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea have been lolriffic, which has made him appear much better in comparison.

And as for the reason why he's never had a top job - he was found not guilty yesterday but, you know...

Italy have won the world cup 4 times everytime with a Serie A managers. Twice when colour TV's were about and most recently with Marcello Lippi in 2006.

Try watching a bit more Italian football may help your arguments when talking about Italian managers.

England have won fuck all since 66 cos they are shit not cos of the managers.

Much of the problem with England as far as I see it is you seem to believe you have some sort of right to win and believe yourselves to be superior.   

I really don't understand it all. 

Personally, I think Redknapp is the best option and I have said as much for a number of years. 

Good payers don't necessarily make good managers, good club managers don't necessarily make good international managers and the best managers don't always win trophies or get top jobs.  I think a few on here would do well to bear this is mind.

Redknapp's skills lie in his wheeling and dealing, and his ability to man-manage the players (as long as things aren't going too badly).  So he'd come in and there'd be the initial euphoria and possibly some results (the players aren't all that bad so we should be capable of beating most other international teams, especially those outside the top 10), but how tactically astute is he? As an international manager he'd have no wheeling and dealing to do (unless it involves brown envelopes for refs or coaches and players from other countries), and I'm sure the honeymoon period would be short and sweet.

This sums it up really though:

Hiddink would be my choice.

i heard a rumour its enlgands turn to get berti vogts

'Arry Kurruptnut has left virtually every club hes been at bankrupt. Bournmouth, pompey, west ham. Thankfully he can't buy England players.

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Wouldn't be the first time an Italian skipper abandoned a sinking ship....

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Argument falls apart if you include Robson. Great at qualifying - hopeless in tournaments.

he had 2 world cups. in one we lost in the quarter final and no matter how good a manager you're going to lose to maradonna scoring one with his hand and one with sheer brilliance. in the other he took us to withing a penalty shoot out of the final. hopeless may be a bit harsh

Capello is the most successful England manager in terms of win ratio

Why r we hating ?

Why are we hating? You think about it... everytime we play a decent team we get torn apart, just not good enough. The italian way to play football is a poor way to play it, hence why we don't win by many.

I think Harry will take it though, but don't think it is as cut and dry as many people think. Harry has been waiting a long time for a job like the one he has now, so will he quit Spurs for a a position, which in the last few years seen managers downgrade their career.

It's not like  England have a really good chance of winning a world cup or Euro anything

There is always huge hype about England when they are just a mediocre team


That's why I hate England at football

The players aren't good enough - England could be managed by a fellowship of Fergie, Mourihno, Paisley, Clough, Gandalf and Batman and they still wouldn't win the Euros or World Cup.

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Selective memory. Robson had mediocre results in tournament finals and was lucky to get anywhere near a semi-final.

He was manager for 4 tournaments:

1984 Euros: Didn't qualify for finals.

1986 WC: Lost to Portugal, drew with Morocco, beat Poland. Beat Paraguay. Lost to Argentina. It looked for a while like they wouldn't get out of their group.

1988 Euros: Lost to Ireland, lost to Netherlands, lost to Russia. Humiliation.

1990 WC: Drew with Ireland, drew with Netherlands, beat Egypt. Beat Belgium. Beat Cameroon. Lost to Germany. Lost to Italy. Lucky to reach the semis. Belgium dominated their match and still regard their loss as the greatest travesty in WC history. Then Cameroon also nearly knocked them out until two penalties got England through, one in ET.

Total - Played 15, Won 5, Drew 3, Lost 7. Hardly an outstanding performance. Under Robson, England lost every match played against a 'good' team, apart from the draw against The Netherlands. The wins they got were against the likes of Egypt, Cameroon & Paraguay. They couldn't beat Morocco or Ireland, even losing one of the games against Ireland.

Robson offered to resign after the failures in 84 & 88 but the FA declined in order to keep Clough out - then they sacked him anyway just before the 90 WC, with effect from immed after. Reaching the semis and the very good performance there against Germany has caused people to forget his poor record until then.  

The 90 wc assessment is harsh. Ireland Egypt and Holland were all very good. We topped the group iirc.

Belgium was a bad game but England were a penalty shootout from winning that tourney IMO.

Bobby Robson's England had character and spirit. We might not have been the best in the world but we had a togetherness and a will to win that was typically English, our best attributes. All the players had strong desire and wanted to play for each other, their gaffer, and the country. In Italia '90 it was awesome to see the team having a right good go at it with the whole country united behind them. This is all that matters to me as an England fan, but it seems we have lost that identity with our foreign manager policy over the years. In '86 I thought the Argentina game was close and we prob win the comp if we win that game and obv we were ridic close to winning in '90. So feck results imo, at international level you don't need a manager to teach the cream how to play the game you need somebody to inspire the players and bring them and the country together. Redknapp is a proven motivator and is ultra passionate about his country hence why he is rightly the people's choice.

I agree that the 86-90 players cared about playing for England and tried to give it their best shot, which I'm not sure can be said about some the players who have succeeded them.

While we're here, why does Shilton always seem to get a free pass regarding that goal? A high ball between a 6'1" goalkeeper, who can use his hands freely and a 5'5" player, who can't, with no-one else putting pressure on either. There should only have been one outcome, but Shilton made a feeble attempt and hardly got off the ground. Admittedly, Maradonna achieved an amazing height but, even so, Shilton should have had the ball. It can be clearly seen in the photos that, desipte starting 8 inches lower, not only is Maradonna's head higher than Shilton's, but it is higher than Shilton's fist above his upstretched arm, mainly due to Shilton's feet being almost in contact with the ground. Whatever about Maradonna, that was bad goalkeeping and Shilton was just as much to blame for the goal, but no-one ever mentions that.

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How come Capello got paid off when he resigned ?

Weak single arm flap with no violent intent so poor keeping. Shilton should've clattered Maradonna for that first goal. Two-fisted double punch straight to the face with knee to stomach. And Butcher deffo should've clattered him two-footed for the second, but wanders off in the wrong direction all confused instead.

Never at any time including now would the goal be office he was the last Argentinan to touch the ball before he got it back from hodge, you cant be office by passing to yourself and can't be office if the defending team makes a bad pass back

Peter Reid waved him past too.

Stilton dived over the ball v Poland in 1973 which effectively ended the career of Sir Alf Ramsey, whose record as England manager isn't bloated by wins v minnows like Slovenia Slovakia Lithuania etc..


For the younger members, Sir Alf Ramsey was manager in 1966, the year when England won the World Cup.

OMG!

This guy is insane! - Please no! Just NO!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17510682

Just LOL

Can anybody honestly say they would want hoddle back as England manager? I think it he would be a massive disappointment!!

id take him back over Woy, look at his record, he did a decent job if he had managed to keep his mouth shut his tenure would of been longer.

It won't be Hoddle, FACT.

i like hoddle as a manager

would not want him managing a pub :)

It's in God's hands anyway.

I never like the office anyway.

I'd have Hoddle. Bloody loved France 98. Didn't have the "golden generation" other managers had.

Best manager England have had for 20 odd years imo, tactically better than any english manager then and now!

If hoddle is so good as a manager, why hasn't he had a job for the last 10 years?

Karma

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When will people realise that being a good tactician is not what we need!

We need a morale booster that players respect, can generate a good camp spirit, venebles esque.

This, and that's why there's 0% chance he could get the job, would be an absolute joke and even the FA aren't that idiotic.

Too good Glenn

Geo

Read this coming home tonight and sounds like the reaction was a bit OTT and people were incredibly quick to label him a weirdo or such. I don't know his beliefs and I would obviously disagree with them as a non-believer but i think it is a bit sad that he wasn't judged on his ability to do the job but what scandal a poisonous media could create. As to why he hasn't been in management I couldn't see too many chairmen being brave enough to employ him when at the first mention of his name the masses immediately cry wolf.


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/glenn-hoddle-im-ready-to-be-englands-caretaker-at-the-euros-7584860.html

 

We need Harry, it MUST be Harry!

Sven will prob throw his hat in the ring as usual

Sven would apply for the Derry city job, that man has no shame!

I think it's a myth that Hoddle was sacked due to that interview.
He was sacked due to results, plain and simple. The interview was a handy excuse for the FA.
Losing in the last 16 of the 1998 World Cup was not a good result for England. So he was under pressure as he then embarked on the Euro 2000 qualifiers.
First game, a 2-1 defeat in Sweden. Second game, a 0-0 home draw with Bulgaria. Third game, a 3-0 win in Luxembourg. Then followed a 2-0 home friendly win against Czech Rep.
He gave that interview on 30th January 1999. On the 1st February, England lost 1-0 at home in a friendly to France. On the 2nd February, he was sacked.
Results. A worry that England weren't going to qualify.
If he had won all those games, that interview would have gotten him a lot of flak but ultimately he'd have been fine. As it was, he was going to get the sack, even if he hadn't done that interview.

It wouldn't be a good idea to have Hoddle back. He'd be handicapped in the role cos of what happened during his previous incarnation as England manager.

Better or worse the Wenger as a manager?

Wenger is so much better and personally think wenger could be the greatest England manager ever but he would never take the job!

rumours of Hodgson?

pls no

just looked backed on BF today, still 11/2 Paddy power

Just over 2/1 BF

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2754070,00.html

SHOULD HAVE GOT ON FML

Im annoyed, nearly did looks like betting suspended at Paddy powe - didnt beleive you mate ;)

1/2 Betfair.......F**** our entire lives, still there when you posted and good BF indicators something was up

So wtf has gone wrong with harry?

was 5/1 on b365 when i first heard he was approached lol sdfuhflhdsghdfklhff

We both bottled it lol

I didn't believe it either

but

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17888928

Hodgsons contract runs out in June so he'd be cheaper for the FA than Harry I suppose.
Boltons next 2 games in the Prem are at home to Spurs and then home to West Brom. I guess the 1st one is bad for Bolton if Harry is staying and the 2nd one is good for Bolton if Roy is leaving?

Actually don't mind Woy

I like him, he's a nice guy and a good coach, just not sure he can handle big big players.  I know they'll bring out the whole Inter thing, and he has done good jobs at WBA and Fulham, but feel we need someone who can manage egos

I'll get behind him but would prefer Harry

Weally? Woy had his chance wunning Livewpool, weally couldn't handle the wigmarole of wunning a bigger weputation club,,,,,,i weally rorry for England.....hope I'm wong

The thing really With Hodgson is this, if he were an overseas coach he would be lauded for what he has achieved in his career.

Most people judge him by the way he talks not what he has done.

yep, couldnt have made my point better. He managed Inter, how big a club do you want?

have very similar records when you break it down

do not really buy the cant handle big players thing, you can not really dismiss his time at inter especially when you consider he had a hell of a lot of very old and very experienced players in his squad with lots of international experience.

Weally?   he manged a 7th and left whilst 3rd....hardly mind blowing..........don't get me wrong, I like him and DO think he is a good manager......can he handle the England job.....no I don't think he can, but good luck to him

How do think taking Fulham to the Europe LGE  final ranks?

Probably more relevant to taking England to the Euros actually. Surely inspiring mid-flight clubs to great things is a better qualification for taking a mid-flight nation to a championships?

Tongue only slightly in cheek & yes I know how bad Scotland are...

absolutely Rod,

it is also widely acclaimed that during his short reign at inter the squad quality wise was not anything like it has been since (or before)

infact there is a great quote from the superb ivan zamarano who played under hodgson as well as loads of others...

""We lacked stars, apart from Ince. It wasn't the Inter we see today of household names. We weren't the best technically but physically we were like machines, he inspired us and drove us on his coaching on the training ground was the best i have experienced "

In over 20 seasons outside Scandinavia he has won nothing.

IMO the fact he's English has him as highly rated as he is. (That and his many friends in the media)

If he was Spanish he'd be hammered and given a nickname like the fat Spanish waiter.

and Redknapp?

cant agree hodgson has many friends in the media ? compared to good old 'arry he has very very few

Never gave him a chance from day one, imo.  From just my outside perspective looking in; hard to do a job when the fans are hankering for the liverpool legend breathing down his neck.  

The signings of Poulsen, Konchesky were shit though.

Also has friends in the media....

No but on a serious note he's won an FA Cup, managed in the Champions League recently and shown that he is capable of handling big players. The way Spurs have dealt with Modric has been excellent.

I'm looking at a small sample in Woy's time at my club, but the players hated playing under him. Reina was told to hoof the ball, Daniel Agger, easily our best and most cultured defender didn't get games and was heard being told to "just launch the fucking thing" and we played terribly.

Would he be good for England? Strangely he might (as per Rod's point above) but I do not believe he is as good as some people think he is.

Only he does though? Granted he probably has less than Arry, but the twitter speak aimed at Hodgson for England over Capello was ridiculous considering their CVs at the time (who knew in hindsight) and it was all from, you guessed it, UK journos.

I am totally unsurprised Arry has fallen through and they've moved onto everyone's second best mate in Woy.

That is a wind up, yes?

Moyes never won anything, I don't think lesser of him for that.

Not such a bad decision really.  If the players and media give him a chance.  England need a manager who knows how to win cups rather than a manager who can win a Championship over 38 games.  Hodgson has never spent more than a couple of years in one job.  So his successes are all cup final appearances really.  He'll be asked to take an average team to a final of a tournament where they'll play teams much better than them.  That's essentially what he's been trying to do his whole career in one sentence.

The problem he will have is all the Harry Redknapp people will be desperate to see him fail.  They'll be on his back straight away and England never start well in big tournaments.  And unfortunately we discriminate awfully over superficial things like his speech impediment.  We think it's a sign of weakness and that's how he's seen I think.  The journos will constantly be asking him where England are ranked.

twitter and the daily papers arefull of journos falling over themselves to fawn over a'rry on a daily basis

do not see anything like the same towards hodgson, i by no means think he is a top drawer appointment but he is a good choice at this stage imo

Redknapps biggest achievement with a big club, which you seem to be ranking Roy on  was spending fortunes and turning Spurs from the 6th best club in England to the 5th best club in England.

Fair comment. I rate Moyes highly FWIW.

He's won the FA Cup with Pompey and taken Spurs into the Champions League (from the relegation zone the season before) in the very recent past.

he has also heavily contributed to portsmouths inflated wage bill which has not helped there current predicament

how is it his fault?????????

Agree.

I'm not saying Arry is the best coach ever, I think he's overrated fwiw, but I think he's a better candidate than Hodgson.

Tbh I don't think any of the English candidates are that good but what can you do?

not a lot

it is all kind of irrelevant all the while the players are so technically behind the counterparts in terms of keeping the ball anyway

True story.

As are potential managerial candidates imo.

you do not agree that giving massive contracts to players of the ilk of benjani, kanu and ben haim (not to mention a dozen others) with no clauses for relegations e.t.c in was detrimental to the club?

i am aware peter storey was supposedly behind the negotiant but he is/was arrys puppet imo

There's no doubt my man Roy is a top top technical coach and a thoroughly good guy. What he does really well is get decent professional footballers organised and working for each other in a disciplined way. Hence he will go to clubs like Fulham/WBA and be able to improve a situation. His international CV is fantastically diverse but it does only include improvement jobs with smaller nations where his skills are best utilised. We see when my man Roy steps up to clubs with a winning expectation with world class players his organising skills don't seem to inspire.

At top international level the players are already organised and have world class ability so they need somebody to inspire them not improve them. Roy can inspire decent pros because of his knowledge and the thought he has the ability to take them to the next level. But it's personality that's needed in the England job and I'm afraid with them tweed brown suits my man Roy is found wanting.

Kanu was awesome though and still only 29 apparently.

which players in the current england squad are world class please?

bit like freddy adu was only 17 when he was 21 :)

so he has won 1 cup in his career and that makes him a better coach than Hodgson?

Taking Spurs from the relegation spots in the Prem being his second best achievement really says nothing but you are clutching at straws. I would back any club manager in charge of every club in England to do that.

didnt he bust Bournemouth and virtually bust west ham also? So so happy it looks like they moved away from korruptnut.

Roy's a safe bet, knows how to manage a successful national team, managed the biggest teams in europe and has the ability to manage the lesser teams. I dont put too much weight on his record at liverpool, with the two asswhipes in ownership of the club even the special one would have messed up.

he targeted players that were on far higher wages than the club could afford in the long run, same as he did at Southampton before that, look what happened at those two clubs after he had bailed out.

Joe Hart, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Stevie G, Wayne Rooney

Joe Hart probably just yes
John Terry at his absolute best yes been exposed many times for england though
Ashley Cole yes
Frank Lampard at club level yes never been convinced for england
Stevie G name the performances for england ?
Wayne Rooney yes

What is there to be better than?? Hodgson hasn't won anything outside of Scandanavia. Ever. Like I said above neither is a "great" coach. The whole country seems to rate Redknapp more highly than Hodgson but you seem surprised I do?

Jol couldn't make the CL Spots (from 5th) Ramos (twice back-to-back Europa League winner - which you seem to rate highly as Hodgson finalled it) couldn't from 5th place either.

Harry did it from relegation zone to 4th in under 18 months. The first coach to break the regular top 4 since Moyes did it in 2005 with Everton. It was a huge achievement. And his net spend wasn't very big in his first 18 months. I would actually rate it more highly than his FA Cup win. If you asked him if he'd rather have 4th this season or another FA Cup I'm sure he'd take 4th in a heartbeat.

I know why people always say this. He is the manager not the accountant, just can't see how he is always blamed for it. Chairman / directors fault entirely.

Terry is not world class. Parker is more world class than him!

Kyle Walker thoooo.

SUPERB.

the fact redknapp has left most clubs he has been at in a right state financially and squad wise probably is not relevant but he appears to be doing the same to spurs if you compare the subs bench now to when he took over.

John Terry, Frank Lampard and Steve Gerrard??

They weren't even world class in their prime let alone now.

Always wonder about the definition of world class - think I could pick at least 4 world teams before any of these would get in -with the possible exception of Ashley Cole

Then David Moyes should be a certainty if we are using those criteria...and Redknapp has, as usual spent a fortune to achieve what he has

The FA felt they had to choose an Englishman. They have a choice of pretty much 2 guys. The difference between the 2 is small.

I'm not really surprised at your opinion Baron, but your red glasses have got in the way of judging Hodgson. How long did he manage Liverpool for?

Not going to bother commenting on this thread.

Just +1 to everything Bobby says.

It doesn't matter about our opinion anyway. Every prem footballer earning £60k+ a week on international duty will think they ARE world class, so they prob wont respond to Roy lecturing about the virtues of tracking back. They need somebody who can inspire. We've seen AVB try and get too technical with world class players yet it's Di Matteo who comes in and creates a team.

this is surely more a reflection on english players having massive egos than the managers involved? I wouldnt mind if they have achieved at international level but they havent

Far too much quoting going on.

Agree on Moyes. But he's Scottish....

Redknapp's spending at Spurs has been fine. His spend when he had them in 4th place was 5th highest wage bill and 6th highest transfer net spend. I'm not sure why "spend" would be any kind of barrier to a national team job anyway.

I am not denying I don't rate Hodgson as much as some due to what he did at Anfield. But his record aside from Liverpool still isn't spectacular. He's had what 10 away wins in his entire Premier league career as a manager? Maybe it's 12 now? Hardly the coach I'd be picking for the top job.

Uninspiring.

but how many away wins did he have outside England, you seem to want to judge the guy only by what you have seen him do, not what he has actually done.

Rod nailed it, tongue in cheek or not, Roy makes poor teams better. That's sort of what England need for the Euros not sure he's the right long term choice but there isn't really strong competition which is why I'm pretty "meh" about the situation. I wouldn't choose him or Harry but if they get a crack at it then good luck to them.

this logic baffles me, so messi isnt world class?

Not at all. I hate the "it only counts coz it happened in Ingerland" theory. You'll find his win ratio is unimpressive wherever he's been save managing Switzerland or in the Scandinavian leagues.

I'm not "voting for Redknapp" here but he's quite clearly had better recent success with a big club.

This.

strange theory on messi

voted player of tourney in copa america 2007

seven assists and two man of the match performances in the 2010 world cup

pretty solid to me

Wow

Everyone seems to think that Roy is the next England manager, but they are just looking at this point. The only reason they have been able to approach Roy is because simply it won't disrupt West Brom's season. Is he a good or bad choice? I don't think he's either.

At some point Harry will get an interview, because there is simply too much pressure on the FA not to at least interview him. But £10m in compensation and £5m in wages for him? It might just be too much after the FA's loose spending on wages for managers. People say he has spent loads of money with clubs, but the fact is he has still achieved with these clubs, so fact is he is a good manager. The players also want him, so big plus.

The one I think would be good for the job, like mentioned on here would be David Moyes. He has done brilliant at Everton without a budget. It will cost the FA a lot less money and he has half a decent brand of footie at Everton.

I am 80% sure it will be Harry though. From what Harry has said today and yesterday, he seems desperate for it.

Multiple sources have confirmed that Harry will not be interviewed


The FA, Bernstein in particular, is conservative.

I don't mind Hodgson, think the gets a bad press because he is (to quote Henry Winter) a broadsheet manager in a tabloid world

In much the same way as he was unpopular at Liverpool because he wasn't Dalglish, I expect the same might happen for England when it goes wrong, because he isn't Harry


Hodgson got the Swiss to 5th in the FIFA World Rankings, has done ok in a lot of places

We have I think only three players of genuine world class: Hart, A Cole and Rooney


In the Euros we have a job to get out of the group. France are more talented than us, Ukraine tough at home


I expect all of that will be ignored though if we fail. The ludicrous sense of entitlement that lots of fans have that England will do well in every tournament seems as misplaced to me as it was 10-15 years ago. Any manager is going to be set up to the fall boy for the tabloids in this environment

Really ? I agree regards the press overhyping, as per, but unlike other previous tournaments I haven't spoken to one person who even thinks we have a slight chance of winning the tournament. This is actually the 1st tournament where as a whole we seem pretty realistic about our chances, will be tough to get out the group but we should, then we'll need a lot of luck to get any further.

There really isn't much between Roy and Harry. If one is going to cost you £10m in compo and the other one isn't, it's a bit of a no brainer to pick the cheaper one.

After one season at a high level?

I don't think Joe Hart is World Class either, actually think he's overated albeit he is a good keeper. John Terry has never been up there with the best at int. level, Lampard and Gerrard have also never really done it for England so I'd say just Cole and Rooney.

Joe Hart is beyond world class

The word world class gets branded about way too much.

Has been Man C's keeper for over 2 seasons now, with over 120 appearances

I think he is top class, behind Casillas/Neuer but pretty close. Only 25yo and getting better

We're not going to have another long discussion about whether a particular player is 'World Class', something which doesn't even have a proper definition. are we?

Very few teams would not swap their keeper for Joe Hart - Real Madrid, Bayern, ?

Would Barca swap Valdes?

Got to agree with Mon - even on this thread there seems a far more realistic view than in previous years. It's quite disconcerting as I'm going to have to find another PC reason for wanting England to lose ;-)

It's all subjective, of course

I'll take Hart A Cole and Rooney as the three Englishmen who would get into most if not all Euro Championship teams

I'll concede that Spain and Germany would happily keep Casillas and Neuer respectively, as would I

On here it is quite realistic yes. Not so realistic amongst the jingoistic English hordes whipped into a mock patriotic frenzy by the tabloids, I would suggest

Id guarantee you Italy would not swap Buffon for any keeper in the world.

Buffon is mid 30s, with under 5 years left?

I'll take Casillas, Neuer or Hart please

Again, all subjective

Here you go.

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I'm not sure the term world class applies yet - although I can't deny he's on his way. After one/two seasons the likes of Cech, Dudek, Barthez were "world class".

Casillas has been doing it for years. What about Cesar? Buffon? The fella from Ajax is meant to be pretty mustard though I don't claim to watch too much Dutch footy.

I hate how his racism thing got postponed and Suarez got insta 8 match ban

If most England fans are realistic now about their chances, by the time the tournament begins I bet everyone will have convinced themselves England can win it. It happens every time.  Then when they draw the first game, they'll start to wonder what might have happened if Redknapp was in charge.  Then when they don't qualify for the knock-out stages they'll be ready to lynch Hodgson and the tabloids will be covered in vegetable type photoshops of him and demands for Redkanpp to take control for the World Cup qualifiers.

If a player is the captain of one of the best football sides in the best league in the world. Has captained his club and country in a stellar footballing career with many CL games, prem games, and international tournaments under his belt. And he is still captain of that club and a regular starter for the 7th best nation in world football he is by definition world class. You might not fancy the player but if he is a proven performer on the world stage he is world class.

Stand up Stevie G!

Calm down Aaron - he said 'best football sides'

Sick rub.

I have a ,feeling Harry doesn't really pass due diligence.  Think Hodgson is fine but will still be blamed when they failbecause we don't have the talent.

I tend to agree

If the job was about conducting impromptu press conferences out of a car window to an eager pack of press scribes, and leaking titbits to help achieve your end goal, Harry would be a shoe-in

I would think the situation at Spurs will now stabilise and they'll crack on next year after fading away very badly March onwards this season

brilliant

Sorry if this point has been mentioned before..

It is really starting to piss me off how overlooking Redknapp is being compard with overlooking Clough in the 80s.

The only similarity between the two is they were dodgy bastards.

Clough built two Championship winning teams from nothing.

He also won 2 European Cups with probably the smallest club side ever to take that trophy.

Redknapp has won errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... one FA Cup.

And bankrupted two clubs with excessive spending.

They couldn't be more dissimilar imo.

Not if Bale and Modric go to greener pastures in the close season.

Yeah, if Tottenham don't make the Champions League things will unravel very quickly.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/internationals/euro-2012/england-euro-2012-specials/to-make-the-squad

Can I have your thoughts on the following please -

Zamora 4/1 - played for Hodgson and got him to a UEFA cup final. Rooney and Welbeck go if fit but other places wide open?
Jagielka 4/1 - Surely goes doesn't he? Terry and Lescott start but he partnered Lescott in the win over Spain. 3rd choice imo.
Stockdale 10/1 - Another player played for Hodgson. Hart goes. Previous squads have had Carson and Green but a chance Hodgson might take somebody he knows as neither of them are spectacular or must takes are they?
J Cole 20/1 - Bit of a chancer but price reflects that, unspectacular midfield and he has been an alright international player in the past
Sinclair 20/1 - Wingers are average imo 20/1 too big that he takes somebody high in confidence after a really good season (also takes penalties - straw clutching?)

Any others that stand out

Zamora has been woeful since joining QPR.

Jags has very little chance too imo.

Terry, Lescott, Cahill and Rio for cb imo.

Crouch at 6/4 seems fair?

Lolz - Paddy Power have 29 players at odds-on...

WBA's Ben Foster @ 5/6 yesterday was huge.

Still some legs in the price of 8/13, looks generous now Carson has gone to 11/8 with coral.

Hart, Green, Foster?

Can't see Stockdale getting in

No prices for Jack Butland, wanted a real punt at 100-1 plus for the 3rd goalkeeper spot, rave reviews for the U21s

1/100 Joe Hart doesn't get injured in his last two games seems fair.

Better than putting your money in the bank for 6 weeks.

Wonder how much they would lay?

Is Foster playing international football again? Or just assuming it's more likely he will under Hodgson?

Oh dear, I didn't even know he had retired, just assumed Capello was being stubborn as usual.

Reports say it is widely expected he will make himself available but I wouldn't be overly eager to take the 8/13 now I know this. Apologies.

Hodgson to sing national anthem v France. 1/3 Coral.

He used to sing ynwa while at Liverpool, buying money ?

Seems familiar:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9239446/England-manager-Roy-Hodgson-takes-us-back-to-the-future.html#disqus_thread

The media really get on my tits sometimes, they should leave the guy alone and let him get on with it.

 rotflmfao

Rant alert

I saw this this morning (online)

(http://www.thedrum.co.uk/uploads/drum_basic_article/90585/main_images/sun.jpg)

Isn't it pathetic?

The man has just been appointed, seems to be a decent man. We can quibble over track record or whatever, but does he deserve repeated mocking about his speech? Why deman and belittle this decent man?

We know the man will get mocked and derided if England fail. Before he starts?

Its a complete farce, and appalling journalism.

guess it worked though..

Oioiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, Big Al obv reads my posts on blonde  ;whistle;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17942728

After the press conference David Bernstein reminded Roy Hodgson that we've got no Wayne for the first two games of the Euros. However, Roy thought it was a bit early to be worrying about the weather forecast.

Foster confirms he won't go to the Euros.

2 from Green, Carson, Ruddy and Stockdale?

Bad arrow with Stockdale, looks like Ruddy made it.
Still got hopes for Jags especially if one of Terry and Rio don't go

Time is the announcement ?