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Title: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 17, 2012, 11:17:19 PM
Hi,

I'm John Black, I have a blog/ diary on blonde :
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=56559.0

Hendon Mob
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=107714


I am putting up this thread now I have 300 posts because I basically haven't got a proper roll for live tournaments and as such won't be able to afford to play the tournaments I think I should be and want to on a regular basis.  I'm wondering if a person/ people would be interested in working out a live staking deal/ package for regular staking on a 3 or 6monthly basis with me putting up between 30-40% of the necessaries in order to play for 50-60% of myself in the <£500 tournaments around the UK.

I live in MK and would generally be looking toward the G Luton, Aspers Northampton, DTD Nottingham and other close-ish live events or further away worthwhile events (GSP or UKIPT).

Other than my hendon mob results I also managed to win 2x £100 fo's (one at a London club and one at G Luton) last year, a Super50 at DTD, final tabling another 3 or 4 and am spending a lot of time on my game.  I'm mainly playing cash online for Pleno at the moment, and that will be my priority day to day.

This deal would be looking to play between 10-30 events in a 12 month period I would expect, however I am also working on my tournament play with some friends who are very successful online and live MTT players (<£1k buyin stakes).

In the cash deal I have Pleno would get 'first refusal' on any piece of this action however I know he has plenty of other 'horses' and as such don't necessarily expect him to take it all.

This is an interest gathering and flexible proposal as I'm not highly experienced in the staking/ backing world.  Please feel free to pm me or post questions or requests for more information.  I have always been +ve ROI in low stakes tournaments, from my blog you'll know my daemon has been cash games.


I hope this is ok/ makes sense and look forward to working something out with 'you' whoever you are.

jb


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: millidonk on April 18, 2012, 06:56:42 AM
Just woke up, but I don't think you mentioned wether you are willing to pay makeup which will be very important for someone who can afford to take up this offer I would imagine. Majority of people say yea I will happily pay never expecting to get in it, but it doesn't always happen like that.

I stake quite regularly on blonde. I think 30-40% for 50-60% is fine for a one off punt but for a regular deal could be a bit too much. If you play for the % you put up it would probably be a lot more attractive

What do I know tho? You probs have 20PMs from some ballas wanting to snap your dick off.GL


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 18, 2012, 01:03:00 PM
I wanted suggestions that's why I asked.  I would struggle to play a £100fo for 40% and tbh my edge in these fields is insane.

However I would be willing to look at a makeup deal of some kind.

That's why I said flexible and to be discussed/ cemented with the backers....


I am happy to consider lots of offers of small %'s if that is interesting to some of you... a bunch of 5-10%'s are fine imo.

And that would obv be much more affordable if a 3monthly schedule included for example:
- 3x £100 fo @ luton
- 4x Super50 @ dtd
- 2x dtd500
- 3x dtd150

= £1950.... take the 60% and chop it up and suddenly 5% is only £97.50....

Not exactly balla stakes and not exactly a big risk. 

I want to put money up myself to reassure people I'm not freerolling for the fun of it, the ONLY reason for this interest thread is I'm trying to be more responsible in general and better BRM is obviously part of that.


thanks all...

jb


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: EvilPie on April 18, 2012, 01:26:23 PM
Why not just take out the 2 x dtd500 comps and keep the lot for yourself?

If your edge is insane you should be able to survive off 20 buy ins easily enough and keep the edge all for yourself rather than give it away to backers.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: millidonk on April 18, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
Glad you would be willing to look at a makeup deal.

Couple of points though:

If you would struggle to play for 40% of a £100 freeze then why have x4 Super 50s included in your example sched..?

If your edge in these fields is so 'insane' then just spin up one buy in on cash, reg and you're good to go.

Being more responsible and trying to develop better BRM is obv a very good move to make but not 100% sure this is the right way to do it.

Probs go for comp by comp staking for a few £150+ events. Then when you have more experience and a couple of results someone would snap this offer up, should you so need it then..

Pleno made a very good post in your diary either yesterday or the day before about how you perceive yourself, when you say you are crushing the tables etc. It could be applied here imo. I would actually be interested to hear his thoughts on this thread, i imagine you approached him first?

Probs come across as a massive dick, but meh. Tried to be polite. First time i have ever put anything negative on a staking/staking request thread as i firmly think it is bad etiquette. Just trying to help you for the future.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 18, 2012, 01:40:55 PM
Why not just take out the 2 x dtd500 comps and keep the lot for yourself?

If your edge is insane you should be able to survive off 20 buy ins easily enough and keep the edge all for yourself rather than give it away to backers.

True, but the point of having the dtd500's is that the GTD gives me the best shot at setting myself up properly.

I exited Jan's 500 with  Aspades Js vs  5h 4c on  Jd 6s 7s 8h.

Feb's dtd500 with  Qd Qh vs  7c 7d on  9c 6h 5d... where the guy crain because and I quote "well you'll have AK all the time, its a good move..." = wp sir.

and bust the UKIPT after my 180K pot with AQ vs K10 aipf went sour and then my KK < A7 and A7btn into sb AQ....


So it's not like I'm busting in spectacularly random style.  When I can put a few hands together in a row, I'll take one of these down.  Of that I have no doubt, but need to be playing them in order to get there... tbh the main idea is to hit the DTD GTD's as they're so big I don't mind sharing the PP a time or two...


hope all this helps... any more questions or suggestions please!!!!?!


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 18, 2012, 01:46:18 PM
Glad you would be willing to look at a makeup deal.

Couple of points though:

If you would struggle to play for 40% of a £100 freeze then why have x4 Super 50s included in your example sched..?

If your edge in these fields is so 'insane' then just spin up one buy in on cash, reg and you're good to go.

Being more responsible and trying to develop better BRM is obv a very good move to make but not 100% sure this is the right way to do it.

Probs go for comp by comp staking for a few £150+ events. Then when you have more experience and a couple of results someone would snap this offer up, should you so need it then..

Pleno made a very good post in your diary either yesterday or the day before about how you perceive yourself, when you say you are crushing the tables etc. It could be applied here imo. I would actually be interested to hear his thoughts on this thread, i imagine you approached him first?

Probs come across as a massive dick, but meh. Tried to be polite. First time i have ever put anything negative on a staking/staking request thread as i firmly think it is bad etiquette. Just trying to help you for the future.


No, not a massive dick at all... the idea would be that the super50's just have a big ROI and super soft field.  The £100 fo's I played only had like 1.5k up top whereas the Super50 had 2.9k when I won it last October.

I definitely think that pleno's points of view will be valid as we're talking a lot about hands and ideas... but I'm also sure that he hasn't seen how solid my low stakes MTT game is and the cash game 'spew' were working to eradicate is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Maybe it would just be better to put myself into the smaller ones and put up staking for each individual £150+... that's something to consider for sure.

Going for the spin up on cash and go from there is what I've done in the past, and I may go that way again if need be. (just trying to structure a better way for now)


No probs again and thanks for the comments..

I'm here chilling at home for a couple of hours before I go away for a week with work, I'll be working out finances and exact BRM considerations in that time.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 18, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
just sell x% for each tournaments imo, too many staking deals with too many people is just so messy.

Also, not being rude or anything you don't actually have any PROOF you can beat these games yet, I think for sure that you can (with a tweak or two) but 100% the best way to go is to sell action for each comp as it comes along (it'll all very likely sell, as you're a hilarious character and very capable at poker) then when you've got a result or two + more experience you can come to the table with offers like this with a little more weight. Or maybe you wont need to cos you'll have all the money :D

Staking deals are actually quite a bit of pressure and I think nowadays people are way to quick to rush into deals that allow them to play bigger rather than just slowly getting up the natural way.  Getting into 6/7k makeup for example is going to be bad for your morale, I think it would be a very bad move for you personally right now when you're progressing so nicely.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: smashedagain on April 18, 2012, 05:22:58 PM
This does come across like "let me get to 300 posts and then get blonde  to pay for my poker"  John. I  am pretty sure that you would easily get staked on a tourney by tourney basis if you put up the stakes individually and would sell out quite rapidly without a doubt. I will defo take 10% of your next tourney and i usually only back mates and people i may have pissed off ( dreenie, kinboshi) or for good karma and not roi.

Would it not be better to keep all your eggs in one basket and have pleno back you for the live pokers as well as on line. A lot of guys come here and say I have this edge on these people and I'm reality they don't or in titty language "won't ever play a decent live sample to prove it."

This thread has given me some ideas tho and need to chat with a few people now.

Gl

Just reading again and putting you might " struggle to play £100 comps for 40% " don't come across too good either. I assume you have a decent well paid job from all the traveling you do so you are not looking to make a living from this And are wanting to use it to gain live experience


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: smashedagain on April 18, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
Lol just read for third time and got down to daves post. Pretty much what he says is always right in everything lol.

Have you thought about blackbelt pokers , bankroll supply, poker risk etc etc


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: nirvana on April 18, 2012, 06:21:53 PM
It's oxymoronic to talk about insane edges and then have to concern oneself with BRM.

I don't take the view that 'if people are so good, why do they need staking' as so many great players are staked.

Often this will be due to the fact that, whilst they may have won WSOP's, WPTs etc and have an edge, they also realise the edge is not insane.

You need to think in more realistic terms too and I think the suggestion of individual staking arrangements to shot take at decent events (ignore luton, northampton etc) is probably a good way to go.

The only reason I talk about realism is that you mention specific exit hands and beats. Does this really mean anything ? I don't think we can distill a no result rather than a big cash to a couple of beats - it's not real.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: George2Loose on April 18, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
It's oxymoronic to talk about insane edges and then have to concern oneself with BRM.

I don't take the view that 'if people are so good, why do they need staking' as so many great players are staked.

Often this will be due to the fact that, whilst they may have won WSOP's, WPTs etc and have an edge, they also realise the edge is not insane.

You need to think in more realistic terms too and I think the suggestion of individual staking arrangements to shot take at decent events (ignore luton, northampton etc) is probably a good way to go.

The only reason I talk about realism is that you mention specific exit hands and beats. Does this really mean anything ? I don't think we can distill a no result rather than a big cash to a couple of beats - it's not real.

Nirvana and Dave talk the most sense on this site- bar none


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 18, 2012, 07:14:12 PM
It's oxymoronic to talk about insane edges and then have to concern oneself with BRM.

I don't take the view that 'if people are so good, why do they need staking' as so many great players are staked.

Often this will be due to the fact that, whilst they may have won WSOP's, WPTs etc and have an edge, they also realise the edge is not insane.

You need to think in more realistic terms too and I think the suggestion of individual staking arrangements to shot take at decent events (ignore luton, northampton etc) is probably a good way to go.

The only reason I talk about realism is that you mention specific exit hands and beats. Does this really mean anything ? I don't think we can distill a no result rather than a big cash to a couple of beats - it's not real.

Excellent, excellent post.

A lot of people are very misguided about how big there edges actually are, and moreso, what an "edge" actually is/means. Take PLO (my field of life) for example, I've played 600-700,000 hands on PLO in mylife and I have no idea what bb/100 I should be winning at various stakes - literally no idea, because even if I knew how to know I'd have to play so many hands to settle it that it's not worth my time thinking about. In my head I either think I have the best of it or I don't in a game, I might still play a game I thought I was a small dog but I'd do it knowing that I was prolly a loser in the lineup and try adjust my strategy accordingly.

In professional gambling (which when you're asking for along term backing deal is what we're talking about, claiming to have an "insane" edge in any game without solid fact and numbers behind it (and even with a 5000 tourney sample I could still pick it apart prolly) just doesn't quite cut it, when the chances are no-one prolly has an insane edge in any poker game any more.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: The Camel on April 18, 2012, 07:26:27 PM
It's oxymoronic to talk about insane edges and then have to concern oneself with BRM.

I don't take the view that 'if people are so good, why do they need staking' as so many great players are staked.

Often this will be due to the fact that, whilst they may have won WSOP's, WPTs etc and have an edge, they also realise the edge is not insane.

You need to think in more realistic terms too and I think the suggestion of individual staking arrangements to shot take at decent events (ignore luton, northampton etc) is probably a good way to go.

The only reason I talk about realism is that you mention specific exit hands and beats. Does this really mean anything ? I don't think we can distill a no result rather than a big cash to a couple of beats - it's not real.

Excellent, excellent post.

A lot of people are very misguided about how big there edges actually are, and moreso, what an "edge" actually is/means. Take PLO (my field of life) for example, I've played 600-700,000 hands on PLO in mylife and I have no idea what bb/100 I should be winning at various stakes - literally no idea, because even if I knew how to know I'd have to play so many hands to settle it that it's not worth my time thinking about. In my head I either think I have the best of it or I don't in a game, I might still play a game I thought I was a small dog but I'd do it knowing that I was prolly a loser in the lineup and try adjust my strategy accordingly.

In professional gambling (which when you're asking for along term backing deal is what we're talking about, claiming to have an "insane" edge in any game without solid fact and numbers behind it (and even with a 5000 tourney sample I could still pick it apart prolly) just doesn't quite cut it, when the chances are no-one prolly has an insane edge in any poker game any more.

Excellent posts.

I wonder what % of the UKIPT at DTD last week would answer yes to the question "Do you have an edge against this field?"

Poker, sex and driving are the three things where people tend to over estimate their ability.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: The Camel on April 18, 2012, 07:29:36 PM
FWIW I'm a terrible driver.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: Rockstar on April 18, 2012, 07:49:49 PM
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=55981.0


Perhaps you can regale us all here John with your tales of the "insane" edge you had over the fields at Luton in general

No recollection of you doing anything in either the tournys or cash you played at Luton

Your behaviour however does ring a bell,you seemed to manage to upset the locals on more than one occasion?

Didnt they ban you?


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: pleno1 on April 18, 2012, 08:43:55 PM
First off I really like John, he is sincerely a very nice guy but can emphasize why he may have pissed off previously, he is actually very similar to how I was about 18 months ago at the table, but I guarantee you its purely down to enthusiasm of the game and that he is just having a great time, he isn't the kind of guy to tuck himself away into his headphones and read his "tablet". He will speak, he will berate a little bit, he will take the piss out of himself and he will generally have a good time. Definitely heart is in the right place and he doesn't mean to offend anybody and I'm sure he would be the first to apologize if anybody thought otherwise.

Onto the playing stuff I'd normally suggest that players have a good online record before going into big staking deals (both for online and live) basically you don't know your edge in tournaments until you've really played them alot. For example, I would have thought I would have been hugely +Ev in tournaments 2 years ago, but I probably had no clue on exact ranges I should be shoving from xbbs from y position. I'm sure John has a good idea, but he simply hasn't played enough tournaments online to understand both MTT variance and to learn from mistakes, the latter being one of the biggest contributions to a players growth.  I've previously labelled John "delusional" about his thoughts on his edge vs most live fields, and whilst this isn't pointed directly at him it can be said the same from almost every player in the world. Negreanu probably thinks he is +ev in certain tournaments that he isn't, Hellmuth probably think he could be +ev in 100rs online and I'm sure this applies to other pros, dtd regs, gala fisssshcakes, myself in Marbella and beyond.

From joining the staking deal with myself, John has learned alot, from absolutely needless spew (#lovesthegame) to listening and adjusting correctly he is starting to make improvements and slowly seeing the benefits. If he joined a deal with somebody who could teach him more about tournaments and understand shoving/calling ranges perfectly alongside other fundamentals as well as the improvements he is making to his overall game via the coaching with myself, lildave et al he could definitely be a +ev horse here.

Good luck either way, if nothing comes of it,it could actually be a positive thing for you.

xo


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 18, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
if he is sick good at the 100s why not just play them on ur own dime?

fwiw when i played with him

I found him very annoying and seemed to worry more about a stupid t shirt prop bet then playing the game



ps i am a mardy fucker


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 18, 2012, 10:47:41 PM
I think Rockstars comments are a lil out of line I don't think John's table conduct should be in question. I actually believe, as I said from watching him play that he would be a +EV horse for live tournaments. My advice is that getting into a live staking deal at this time wouldn't be the shrewdest move for him. He is clearly developing well under Pads and that should be the focus with a couple of live punts thrown in as and when.

+1 to what Pleno said. Really nice guy, #lovesthegame, is a pleasure to talk to about poker even though he makes my eyes hurt sometimes, I think the time to crush live tournaments will come, but it doesn't need to come just let.  Too much criticizm ITT prolly, but the stuff r.e the edges is true and something you're going to have to think about, so it may as well be said now.

There is time :)


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 19, 2012, 12:38:47 AM
Bet op is chuffed to be taking away advice and good luck wishes from his staking thread


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: skolsuper on April 19, 2012, 02:04:47 AM
I read this thread last night when it had 0 replies and I remember thinking "Jesus H Christ if this OP, with no online records whatsoever, about $6000 in hendonmob cashes (2 months of buyins for the stakes he's asking for, spread over 2 years) and a caveat saying an existing backer has "first dibs" on the good action, gets any interest whatsoever then there really is no hope for humanity". Then when I looked just now and there were 2 pages of replies, you had me reaching for the double facepalm gif (http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad87/Zhyd/DoubleFacepalmRickerPicard.jpg (http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad87/Zhyd/DoubleFacepalmRickerPicard.jpg) FYI). Thankfully there is some semblance of sanity out there and blonde isn't giving staking to absolutely everyone that asks for it, just to be polite, as seemed to be the trend at the minute.

The thread still contains a disturbingly large amount of hand-wringing, "don't be disheartened" bullshit for my liking though. DO be disheartened imo, disheartened from making threads like this. Your OP is insulting, you're asking strangers for thousands of pounds and you can't even be arsed to play a few hundred $10 tournaments online 1st? (Or 100,000 hands of ssnl cash if that's your thing). Then you throw in the added bonus that someone else gets to pick the choice nuggets out of your horseshit sandwich before we get a bite?

Whilst it is important to shelter new posters from the harsher realities of blonde until they get used to the place, and I don't want to see people victimised or insulted for no reason, I think the culture of not flaming staking threads is harmful to blonde. There needs to be a voice of reason somewhere, I think if there were, the effort that goes into thread OPs, and hopefully therefore our staking decisions and outcomes, would be vastly improved imo.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: Dubai on April 19, 2012, 02:11:32 AM
So are you in or out?


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: buzzharvey22 on April 19, 2012, 03:27:46 AM
from my experience, jumping from game type to game type is the nut low thing to do when starting out. i went from live cash, to sng's, to online mtt's to plo cash bla de blah, and never really became very good at any of them. you have a staking deal with pads, which looks like an excellent oppourtunity, put your enthusiasm into that for a few months, head down and graft, and alongside pads and his other stable, you'l give yourself a great chance to crush. and after you've shown this to pads, im sure he will give you the chance to shot take a few live tournies, or the odd sunday million, whatever you want. because pads knows better than anyone what its like to progress up the levels, and what is needed.

best of luck with everything


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: DMorgan on April 19, 2012, 05:43:27 AM
John, please bookmark this thread.

One day you're going to realise how twisted, insane and delusional it is to think that it might be a good idea to play live poker tournaments believing that you have a 'massive edge'. You may well be in the top 10% of the players in the field or have an expected ROI of 100% but the way that it comes across is that you expect to be printing money....so much so that you couldn't bear to have only 40% of yourself in £100 freezeouts.

You will literally drive yourself nuts going into every live event thinking that all you need to do is 'not be unlucky' or whatever to miss out on a cash/final table/win.

How it works is that you flick your money in, you play the best you can and you hope that everything else falls into place so that you can win. A few hundred tournaments later the hope is replaced with indifference, but it feels much the same. In fact I hadn't even noticed the change until I read this thread, so thanks for that.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: millidonk on April 19, 2012, 06:44:00 AM
Keys for Primeminister?


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: smashedagain on April 19, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Keys for Primeminister?
He would not take the reduction in his hourly :)

I have said I will take 10% of his first stake because John has brought something new to the forum and his contributions are excellent. Who knows there may well be someone reading this who may want to take a punt. It's all about supply and demand. As you point out Everyman and his dog got backing for the ukipt and afaik the vast majority never made day 2, but you won't ever hear moans from the backers.

I loved Keys selling himself in auctions and really wanted it take off. I was a little diss appointed to see he only got bids upto 1.4/1.5 especially when some people who are getting 1.2 with no online or live results to speak of.

How much would people be prepared to pay for a piece of action in Marc railtard1 wright ATM. That guy is red hot both online and live and just keeps on delivering.  I am so pleased for millidonk and the others and gl at the ept today


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: claypole on April 19, 2012, 08:24:40 AM
John, please bookmark this thread.

One day you're going to realise how twisted, insane and delusional it is to think that it might be a good idea to play live poker tournaments believing that you have a 'massive edge'. You may well be in the top 10% of the players in the field or have an expected ROI of 100% but the way that it comes across is that you expect to be printing money....so much so that you couldn't bear to have only 40% of yourself in £100 freezeouts.

You will literally drive yourself nuts going into every live event thinking that all you need to do is 'not be unlucky' or whatever to miss out on a cash/final table/win.

How it works is that you flick your money in, you play the best you can and you hope that everything else falls into place so that you can win. A few hundred tournaments later the hope is replaced with indifference, but it feels much the same. In fact I hadn't even noticed the change until I read this thread, so thanks for that.

Wins thread. Last paragraph is genius



Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: George2Loose on April 19, 2012, 08:39:54 AM
If the guy had degenned his money off a la Solaris he'd already have sold out


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 19, 2012, 11:01:00 AM
This thread has started to really win!

How it works is that you flick your money in, you play the best you can and you hope that everything else falls into place so that you can win. A few hundred tournaments later the hope is replaced with indifference, but it feels much the same. In fact I hadn't even noticed the change until I read this thread, so thanks for that.

IS the most perfect summary of live tournaments ever.

Jake Cody/Venassa Selbst/Jason Mercier are terrific tournament players, but even they aren't as good as the results they've had. No-one is.

Key's post is pretty harsh but the theme is accurate, a LOT of people I've come across in the last 18 months who are starting to play poker don't realise the 1 fundamental point that it takes a while to start genuinely beating poker. I think it took me 2.5 years to be able to actually consider myself a winning (no lols Keys) player. Just needs commitment, hard work and dedication (all of which John has+ some natural ability)

Basically it's genuinely really really hard to win at poker. SOME PEOPLE MAKE IT LOOK EASY BUT IT ISN'T! Unless I'm just terrible, which is possible lol

So are you in or out?

:D


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 19, 2012, 01:27:58 PM

Some really great contributions and posts here and certainly some food for thought .

Obviously this staking request is fundamentally flawed in many ways as anybody claiming to have "an insane edge on the field " is either seriously deluded or hasnt played enough ABC poker tournaments to account for variance or bad beats etc.

In cash games  you will normally play against 2 to 9 players so " an edge" is somewhat easier to qualify whereas in a large field this is going to become so diluted that regardless of your confidence or ability the run good factor still needs to be on your side . I agree with Jason that it comes across as "Ive reached 300 posts so Ill ask for some staking" but we all know that things dont work that way , as generally potential investors need to see a definitive structure , hopefully value and a good chance of a return on their investment (unless its a one off punt or a mates rate )

Although I accept in his opening post he did ask for some feed back , I do feel with a little more thought and advice a more constructive and tangible request could of been formulated .

I would hope he doesnt take offence at the responses on here as this is nothing to do with his poker ability or him as a person , as I see most of the feedback as been constructive criticism for both the player and the good of the forum .

On a positive note... I remember playing with John on the same table 2 weeks ago at The Fox Club and he played very well , so my advice would be to start at lower stakes ,put a workable plan together , maybe listen to what Pleno and other people have to say and learn to walk ( finance wise ) before you can run .

Good Luck


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: the sicilian on April 19, 2012, 01:29:35 PM
So are you in or out?

HA Ha Ha..how can so much genius be placed in so few words...


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 19, 2012, 01:34:44 PM
Let me start off by saying thanks.

(sorry in advance of getting names wrong or incorrectly spelled)
Thank you to David Nicholson, Patrick Leonard, Daniel Morgan, James Keys, Keith 'The Camel' Hawkins, Rupinder Bedi, Jason Herbert, Dave Shallow, Milligan, Claypole, Mantis, Paul Houk, Rockstar, Alex Goulder (pm'd), Evil Pie, Nirvana and of course Fraiser.......


There is only a single comment in this thread that I think is unhelpful and that was the mention of the luton league on here....
I'm apparently not a regular enough to be on it, however I won the £100fo two weeks in a month last summer, I have regularly come down and played in the cash game... most often taking a more than fair chunk of the chips with me and yes I've had disagreements with some of the regs there.  This is due to my confidence in my own views and opinions and the ability of voicing them..


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HOWEVER - I have never been rude, offensive or out of line to ANYONE... Even when Hamid was screaming at me, I merely said to him "Hamid, you can play how you like, but I'm frustrated that you hit that gutshot.... so what?"  (Daniel Best, Raj, George, any of the staff there I'm sure would back me up as saying I may have been involved but I was never the one out of line)
- And Aidrian getting pissed off that I trapped him with KK on Qxx after he slowrolled me and rubbed it in an orbit earlier.... well he got what he deserved imo.  And yet I still did it politely, quickly and said "thankyou for your chips" afterwards.

I have ALWAYS maintained a 110% attitude of being polite and courteous and friendly to the dealers and staff in any casino as they have a tough enough job as it is.

Got side-tracked there.... sorry.
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The whole point of the thread was the gauge the idea, the point, the concept and to get a better understanding of staking/ backing in general.

I will firstly apologise for my use of the words 'insane edge' because apparently that has gotten a few feathers ruffled.  This phrase was used because I have only played a handful of Super50's and £100fo's in the last year and I believe I've finalled somewhere north of 50% and won close to 15%.  I feel that in the generic Super50/ £100fo games in live casino's I have enough understanding of the game/ players and try to choose the best structure to give myself a decent enough chance to have a good stack and to build a good stack all the way through the tournament.

No, I don't have any online results in MTT's.  I have only played a small sample of satelliting into everything >£150 I've played this year and been pretty successful so far.  To do so and to improve my game I have taken up a tournament specialist site's membership and studied a decent chunk of their literature and media content, trying to watch twice the most important concepts I've come across.

With regard to the idea in general I think you're all absolutely correct and that I should be putting all my time into my Pleno staking agreement which I am certain will start to produce +$ results very soon already.  Just a few little tweaks about the spew and how and why is already making a massive difference and I'm glad he and Lil'D are able to see me changing session by session.
This was my consideration when I put up the thread... I don't think I have enough results or proof to warrant a single backer putting £000's into me, which is why I tried to think of a way to work it that a 5 or 10% chunk wouldn't cost that much...

With regard to the 300 posts and "give me money" comments, it was more a case of timing than anything.... anyone that has read my blog will know I've just bought a new grind PC in order to fully and completely commit to my staking deal and online poker long term, unfortunately for me a messup with the paperwork and misunderstanding about PC Monitor resolutions has meant I'm £2k out of pocket more than I had planned right now.  THIS AND ONLY THIS is the reason I've considered staking.

I played my heart out in the UKIPT Day1A, getting into a ridiculous CL pot for 180K with AQ vs K10 aipf and couldn't hold, this was a tournament I'd sold 42.5% of myself in and obviously with the crazy DTD GTD meant it was easy to not worry about the money since it was so far away and such monstrous amounts any % would be tasty.






I can't say enough how awesome and useful and solid the advice on this thread is for both me and all aspiring amateurs, whether poker prodigy's in the making or break even wannabe's..  But I am getting a better understanding of MTT variance, both live and online from the more experience I have either directly or through sweat or strategy sessions with friends.

Also, I think DMorgan wins the thread.. but Keys is very close behind.  I feel almost disciplined and I don't know whether your post is in anger, frustration, wanting for Justice or something else sir but I have the utmost respect for both you, your game, your comments and I apologise for causing offence.  Its tough to work on your poker game to get good enough and put enough time/ hands/ volume in when I'm doing a 9-5 job that also takes me to the proper 4 corners of the world (im talking Sao Paulo, Afghanistan, Melbourne and Beijing styleee - not shagaluf, vegas and paris) 

BUT I'M TRYING AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO....

Thanks again and please continue to post ideas, comments, suggestions for better OP posting in future and better ways to 'begin' the long journey to serious poker player with regards to MTT's both live and online.



Not really sure what else to say.... :)


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: millidonk on April 19, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
Defo not in the SAS! Melbourne? Holiday camp.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 19, 2012, 01:41:57 PM
Defo not in the SAS! Melbourne? Holiday camp.

[X] Confirmed.


Best place I've ever been to is Melbourne. Hands Down, no discussion.

Especially during January when you have the Tennis Open, the Aussie Millions, Bon Jovi concerts in the Park and just australians everywhere!

#lovetheaussiessomuch


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 19, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
What are wrong with ur monitors?
Could you not exchange them if they are bad?


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: cambridgealex on April 19, 2012, 01:49:47 PM
And yet I still did it politely, quickly and said "thankyou for your chips" afterwards.

I have ALWAYS maintained a 110% attitude of being polite and courteous and friendly to the dealers and staff in any casino as they have a tough enough job as it is.

Although saying "thank you for your chips" is polite, I don't think people like it much.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: the sicilian on April 19, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
I think winning a couple of Tourneys at Luton doesn't quite come under the crushing rules..the hardcore regs have been winning these comps for years on a reg basis..but don't feel the need to shout it and try to belittle others.

Think you need to reign in the 'im the bollox ' attitude a bit and get some decent long term results under your belt...all your achieving is getting peoples backs up..


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: MC on April 19, 2012, 01:53:38 PM
And yet I still did it politely, quickly and said "thankyou for your chips" afterwards.

I have ALWAYS maintained a 110% attitude of being polite and courteous and friendly to the dealers and staff in any casino as they have a tough enough job as it is.

Although saying "thank you for your chips" is polite, I don't think people like it much.

ROFLs


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 19, 2012, 01:58:19 PM
What are wrong with ur monitors?
Could you not exchange them if they are bad?
The first 3 I bought were HD ready ones with 1920x1080 resolution but I need 1920x1200 for serious long term and multi tabling poker action.  Did send the first ones back.. they cost £130 each and I'm getting that cheque this week, but the second set of monitors were £390 each... a little difference I'm sure you can appreciate.  But they're the 'best' and I want to have them for a long time.

And yet I still did it politely, quickly and said "thankyou for your chips" afterwards.

I have ALWAYS maintained a 110% attitude of being polite and courteous and friendly to the dealers and staff in any casino as they have a tough enough job as it is.

Although saying "thank you for your chips" is polite, I don't think people like it much.

Appreciated, it was situation and villain dependant but he definitely deserved it that day.  So his comments about 'waiting for me in the carpark' were not only childish, but horrendous and he should've received a life ban on the spot imo.

I think winning a couple of Tourneys at Luton doesn't quite come under the crushing rules..the hardcore regs have been winning these comps for years on a reg basis..but don't feel the need to shout it and try to belittle others.

Think you need to reign in the 'im the bollox ' attitude a bit and get some decent long term results under your belt...all your achieving is getting peoples backs up..

Completely agree, well said.  I was just trying to 'proove' my suitability.  And since I don't play there very often, I thought doing well in only a few comps would be a good thing for backers... either I'm lucky or doing well... both are good imo.
Thanks though, and well done on your recent Texan successes, I sweated those threads with everyone else on here.... very entertaining! :D



:D



Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 19, 2012, 02:04:51 PM
And yet I still did it politely, quickly and said "thankyou for your chips" afterwards.

I have ALWAYS maintained a 110% attitude of being polite and courteous and friendly to the dealers and staff in any casino as they have a tough enough job as it is.

Although saying "thank you for your chips" is polite, I don't think people like it much.

I only just read this   :)


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: the sicilian on April 19, 2012, 02:09:16 PM
What are wrong with ur monitors?
Could you not exchange them if they are bad?
The first 3 I bought were HD ready ones with 1920x1080 resolution but I need 1920x1200 for serious long term and multi tabling poker action.  Did send the first ones back.. they cost £130 each and I'm getting that cheque this week, but the second set of monitors were £390 each... a little difference I'm sure you can appreciate.  But they're the 'best' and I want to have them for a long time.

And yet I still did it politely, quickly and said "thankyou for your chips" afterwards.

I have ALWAYS maintained a 110% attitude of being polite and courteous and friendly to the dealers and staff in any casino as they have a tough enough job as it is.

Although saying "thank you for your chips" is polite, I don't think people like it much.

Appreciated, it was situation and villain dependant but he definitely deserved it that day.  So his comments about 'waiting for me in the carpark' were not only childish, but horrendous and he should've received a life ban on the spot imo.

I think winning a couple of Tourneys at Luton doesn't quite come under the crushing rules..the hardcore regs have been winning these comps for years on a reg basis..but don't feel the need to shout it and try to belittle others.

Think you need to reign in the 'im the bollox ' attitude a bit and get some decent long term results under your belt...all your achieving is getting peoples backs up..

Completely agree, well said.  I was just trying to 'proove' my suitability.  And since I don't play there very often, I thought doing well in only a few comps would be a good thing for backers... either I'm lucky or doing well... both are good imo.
Thanks though, and well done on your recent Texan successes, I sweated those threads with everyone else on here.... very entertaining! :D



:D



LOL  Good save....

[ X ] i let Gav do all the hard work Sidey are easy
[ X ] craps is all skill... All you need to do is talk to the dice nicely and know how to do the happy dance..ask lil Dave


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 19, 2012, 02:11:38 PM
Craps is easy... played once... up £175 or something in like 1 hour.. never played since....

I bet £25 when the button was off, and then changed it to £2 when the button was on...
If I remember correctly you have an 86% chance to win or draw when the button is off but those odds are drastically reduced when it is in play.


#easygamecrapswhenyouhaveannewcroupier.....

:D :D :D


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: skolsuper on April 19, 2012, 05:30:55 PM
A very excellent response Mr. Black, think you might win the thread in the end. Yeah my post is one of frustration, but it's not really aimed at you, after all who can blame you for trying, there is a very prominent 'get-blog-get-backed-get-profit' story in the recent history of this forum that is going to colour how everyone perceives their route to success.

My frustration is at the forum, in my opinion the first reply after your OP should have been "wtf is this shit? go get some results online", but because people here don't want to be rude, the quality of these offerings and the work people are willing to put in before they ask for staking isn't going to improve. Plus I swear to God if I read too many more of lildave's posts he's going to give me diabetes, so I wanted to balance that out too. Glad you took it well :)


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 19, 2012, 06:01:10 PM
Of course I did sir, I hear nothing but excellent and raving reviews of you and your ilk from a certain poshboy and co...

You've left quite an impression i feel.

I have obviously seen and read of your personal sucesses as well and obviously realise you're a force to be reckoned with whether via keyboard or fresh air.


I do appreciate your comments and its been brought to my attention that a certain sensai has retweeted your comments as golden and the saving opinion of online forums (more fans im sure)

In my head it's not an instant formula
- get blog
- fill out blog
- get staked
- win monies....



I am putting in close to 15hours a week reading, watching and rewatching literature and media content to try and better structure my own game, to iron out my own creases and imo I'm probably one of the hardest working 'working amatuers' in the circle of people we both run in.

However....
I have found that I have played better, worked harder, lasted longer, tilted less, felt better and been happier about all poker related issues now i have a blog and somewhere to vent and to ask questions.  I have been approached to be staked, as a direct result i believe... I have improved immensely and as a function of which I am having better results... these things cannot be denied.
BUT
This is not because I merely type a few words every so often... as anyone who has read my blog will tell you... a 'few' doesn't quite cut it.  Also, its because of this extra work on top of the already 'playing'/ researching/ watching/ reading/ listeining and talking im doing that i have a constructive and proven formulaic way to improve long term.


So, I feel a mere "300 posts and give me money" is not only an insult, but a joke and a laughable glimmer of my true story and effort involved.





But baiscally, i need to GTFO and get 500 $1 mtt's under my belt or something! :D


laters.



Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: smashedagain on April 19, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
I still want 10% please


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: nirvana on April 19, 2012, 06:11:22 PM
Gotta say, the insane edge thing, felt like something I initially wanted to be quite scathing about but as per Keys points I (consistent with the general mood here) toned it down and tried to be constructive. Nothing wrong with that imo. Helps me on the path to reduced trolling quotient too.

Whilst you have a few people here letting you know when you're heading towards the delusional you won't go far wrong :-)

You're response is great tbf - love the fact you listen, then the positivity and a 'don't let anything grind you down' mentality has got to be good.

Wish you all the best and let me know when you're taking shots as I'd take modest pieces from time to time




Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 19, 2012, 06:17:36 PM
Gotta say, the insane edge thing, felt like something I initially wanted to be quite scathing about but as per Keys points I (consistent with the general mood here) toned it down and tried to be constructive. Nothing wrong with that imo. Helps me on the path to reduced trolling quotient too.

Whilst you have a few people here letting you know when you're heading towards the delusional you won't go far wrong :-)

You're response is great tbf - love the fact you listen, then the positivity and a 'don't let anything grind you down' mentality has got to be good.

Wish you all the best and let me know when you're taking shots as I'd take modest pieces from time to time




Thanks, we've actually played a few times together... Glen I think isn't it?

I remember seeing you for the first time since your long time away from the game.... and I'm glad to hear you are healing well and feeling better sir.


To be completely honest, I used to be a proper tool at the tables.  The everyday 'wanabe superstar' who might have a decent IQ but can't get anything quietly and has to show off how clever he is.... which in turn shows he hasn't even grown up let alone learnt to use any real intelect.


I am very very different these days and one of the best people to comment on that.. is Celtic.... wherever he is.


Thank you for your confidence and I'm building a note of people 'interested' in any sort of pieces and I will likely from this thread look to grind the <£100's on my own... do some online bits and sell bigger.


I really hope that the other commenters from pre today can come back and give me their impressions/ replies....



And fwiw David Nicholson, I think your super.  You are giving us all diabetes... but WTF! who cares... ty sir.  You are a gent and a scholar.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: nirvana on April 19, 2012, 06:29:49 PM
Gotta say, the insane edge thing, felt like something I initially wanted to be quite scathing about but as per Keys points I (consistent with the general mood here) toned it down and tried to be constructive. Nothing wrong with that imo. Helps me on the path to reduced trolling quotient too.

Whilst you have a few people here letting you know when you're heading towards the delusional you won't go far wrong :-)

You're response is great tbf - love the fact you listen, then the positivity and a 'don't let anything grind you down' mentality has got to be good.

Wish you all the best and let me know when you're taking shots as I'd take modest pieces from time to time




Thanks, we've actually played a few times together... Glen I think isn't it?

I remember seeing you for the first time since your long time away from the game.... and I'm glad to hear you are healing well and feeling better sir.

To be completely honest, I used to be a proper tool at the tables.  The everyday 'wanabe superstar' who might have a decent IQ but can't get anything quietly and has to show off how clever he is.... which in turn shows he hasn't even grown up let alone learnt to use any real intelect.

I am very very different these days and one of the best people to comment on that.. is Celtic.... wherever he is.

Thank you for your confidence and I'm building a note of people 'interested' in any sort of pieces and I will likely from this thread look to grind the <£100's on my own... do some online bits and sell bigger.


I really hope that the other commenters from pre today can come back and give me their impressions/ replies....

And fwiw David Nicholson, I think your super.  You are giving us all diabetes... but WTF! who cares... ty sir.  You are a gent and a scholar.

Would strongly recommend you don't bother grinding smaller tourns at places like Luton. Only really worth playing as a social outing I would think.

Definitely worth focusing on bigger value tourns at DTD and in the various tours. I'd be pretty certain that the best prep to do well in these is online rather than dulling your senses and increasing frustration levels by playing smaller live tourns closer to home.

lol at me respecting an opinion from Vinny, I'll ask Hamed about you instead :-)



Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 19, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
Gotta say, the insane edge thing, felt like something I initially wanted to be quite scathing about but as per Keys points I (consistent with the general mood here) toned it down and tried to be constructive. Nothing wrong with that imo. Helps me on the path to reduced trolling quotient too.

Whilst you have a few people here letting you know when you're heading towards the delusional you won't go far wrong :-)

You're response is great tbf - love the fact you listen, then the positivity and a 'don't let anything grind you down' mentality has got to be good.

Wish you all the best and let me know when you're taking shots as I'd take modest pieces from time to time

lol at me respecting an opinion from Vinny, I'll ask Hamed about you instead :-)



Sigh @ hamed ever having something of value to add except - "he cheated me, he had KQ on Kxx when I had K10.. poker is rigged..."



Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: Chompy on April 19, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
Tunica is in Tennessee, not Texas.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 19, 2012, 07:14:08 PM
Plus I swear to God if I read too many more of lildave's posts he's going to give me diabetes, so I wanted to balance that out too. Glad you took it well :)

im just so bored during the job hunt.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: smashedagain on April 19, 2012, 07:51:20 PM
Plus I swear to God if I read too many more of lildave's posts he's going to give me diabetes, so I wanted to balance that out too. Glad you took it well :)

im just so bored during the job hunt.
Can I come be your personal assistant when you get one? Starting sept plz :)


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: MC on April 20, 2012, 06:54:17 AM
I just try and help people but I'm well and truly over it. No-one even replies to the hands I post on PHA, I feel like it's a one way street with me and blonde I like everyone on here and thats the only reason I persist with PHA,

Probs a lot of people feel under qualified to reply to your threads Dave. If you want to post up some 14bbs deep SNG hands I'll be happy to contribute :)


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: smashedagain on April 20, 2012, 07:22:48 AM
I just try and help people but I'm well and truly over it. No-one even replies to the hands I post on PHA, I feel like it's a one way street with me and blonde I like everyone on here and thats the only reason I persist with PHA,

Probs a lot of people feel under qualified to reply to your threads Dave. If you want to post up some 14bbs deep SNG hands I'll be happy to contribute :)
Yeah very much under qualified and fear of ridicule. You are single right Dave. I can start a thread "what word Herbie do" if you find yourself in any awkward or uncomfortable situations with the ladies then you could refer to it and I could talk you through the nut line to take. :)  always here for you


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 20, 2012, 09:43:17 AM
my bad I dont really think that I was tilted lol

<3 blonde but I'd abso love to get more active threads going on PHA - when I post hands I don't ACTUALLY really want to know the best thing to do (I mean I do, but I have adecent idea already) I'm posting them because I thought they might spark some interesting discussion but no-one ever bites :D

BITE MORE peoples. BITE!


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: RED-DOG on April 20, 2012, 09:55:12 AM

when I post hands I don't ACTUALLY really want to know the best thing to do  I have adecent idea already)



And that's your problem


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 20, 2012, 10:01:12 AM
I just try and help people but I'm well and truly over it. No-one even replies to the hands I post on PHA, I feel like it's a one way street with me and blonde I like everyone on here and thats the only reason I persist with PHA,

Probs a lot of people feel under qualified to reply to your threads Dave. If you want to post up some 14bbs deep SNG hands I'll be happy to contribute :)

If you want some MTT  "getting it in bad " strategies ...Im your man !


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 20, 2012, 10:07:16 AM

when I post hands I don't ACTUALLY really want to know the best thing to do  I have adecent idea already)



And that's your problem

How is that the problem? I could easily just not post. It's not like they are brag posts or I wait for everyones answers then disagree with them.

I take the time to think, wow that's an interesting hand I'll mark it and post it on blonde maybe an interesting discussion will arise but everyone has this feeling of elitism in poker where they can't comment on hands if they are higher stakes or w/e. Everyone should comment on every thread they have an opinion on and it would make for a fantastic section of the site. I was just trying to encourage a bit more of it but I guess when something is interesting and everyone has an opinion it'll happen shouldn't try force it.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: FUN4FRASER on April 20, 2012, 10:32:38 AM

when I post hands I don't ACTUALLY really want to know the best thing to do  I have adecent idea already)



And that's your problem

How is that the problem? I could easily just not post. It's not like they are brag posts or I wait for everyones answers then disagree with them.

I take the time to think, wow that's an interesting hand I'll mark it and post it on blonde maybe an interesting discussion will arise but everyone has this feeling of elitism in poker where they can't comment on hands if they are higher stakes or w/e. Everyone should comment on every thread they have an opinion on and it would make for a fantastic section of the site. I was just trying to encourage a bit more of it but I guess when something is interesting and everyone has an opinion it'll happen shouldn't try force it.

I think its great that you are being so humble Dave , as there is obviously a lot of one up manship in the poker world where ridicule is sometimes the norm .

A similar thing happens on the betting forum...I quite often submit my fancies/selections and some people to tend to rip them to shreds with such an acid tongue that one wonders..."Whats the point of posting in first place ?"   It doesnt matter if they agree or not or if the picks win or lose..people need to understand that by having access to the information & opinions it is generally for their benefit and everybody else reading.

By registering an opinion or opening a thread etc you are effectively a sitting duck, as people mainly home in on the negative rather than accentuate the positive ,however I still have faith in mankind and think that all discussion is healthy.

Debate of course is the very nature of a forum so I suggest that you ,me and others should keep on posting regardless of adversity.



Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: RED-DOG on April 20, 2012, 10:52:02 AM

when I post hands I don't ACTUALLY really want to know the best thing to do  I have adecent idea already)



And that's your problem

How is that the problem? I could easily just not post. It's not like they are brag posts or I wait for everyones answers then disagree with them.

I take the time to think, wow that's an interesting hand I'll mark it and post it on blonde maybe an interesting discussion will arise but everyone has this feeling of elitism in poker where they can't comment on hands if they are higher stakes or w/e. Everyone should comment on every thread they have an opinion on and it would make for a fantastic section of the site. I was just trying to encourage a bit more of it but I guess when something is interesting and everyone has an opinion it'll happen shouldn't try force it.

I think you're missing my point young David.

I think that players are reluctant to offer advice to someone who probably knows the best line anyway.

That's all I was saying.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 20, 2012, 11:15:25 AM

when I post hands I don't ACTUALLY really want to know the best thing to do  I have adecent idea already)



And that's your problem

How is that the problem? I could easily just not post. It's not like they are brag posts or I wait for everyones answers then disagree with them.

I take the time to think, wow that's an interesting hand I'll mark it and post it on blonde maybe an interesting discussion will arise but everyone has this feeling of elitism in poker where they can't comment on hands if they are higher stakes or w/e. Everyone should comment on every thread they have an opinion on and it would make for a fantastic section of the site. I was just trying to encourage a bit more of it but I guess when something is interesting and everyone has an opinion it'll happen shouldn't try force it.

I don't think that's true.


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on April 20, 2012, 12:50:37 PM
STOP moaning when u get outdrawn by me always!!!

Vyrojhryihvewyiu478)(/!?@"?):8!?@(:(


Title: Re: Live staking interest wondering...
Post by: jgcblack on April 20, 2012, 05:42:06 PM

when I post hands I don't ACTUALLY really want to know the best thing to do  I have adecent idea already)



And that's your problem

How is that the problem? I could easily just not post. It's not like they are brag posts or I wait for everyones answers then disagree with them.

I take the time to think, wow that's an interesting hand I'll mark it and post it on blonde maybe an interesting discussion will arise but everyone has this feeling of elitism in poker where they can't comment on hands if they are higher stakes or w/e. Everyone should comment on every thread they have an opinion on and it would make for a fantastic section of the site. I was just trying to encourage a bit more of it but I guess when something is interesting and everyone has an opinion it'll happen shouldn't try force it.

I think you're missing my point young David.

I think that players are reluctant to offer advice to someone who probably knows the best line anyway.

That's all I was saying.

I finally get the DOG in one of my threads.... and he's not even talking to me... instead and ofc its Lil'D.

You're so loved sir, you don't need a girlfriend willing to do anything you ask... wake you up in special ways and wear ****** for you........ you have all the attention  of the men and the boys.

:D