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player 1 bets 5100 on the turn with one 5k chip and 100 chip. Player 2 puts in two 5k chips. Is this a call or a raise?

call unless they say raise/all in.

Call /thread

Call.

Call

does it matter if they have lots or no change?

nope lol

Without saying anything it is always a call

Stupid rule (although reasonable here) but call.

It's not a stupid rule, it's designed to protect people that want to call. Anyone who wants to minraise the turn doesn't need protecting, they have the nuts.

It must be a stupid rule because I once fell foul of it.

Raise I reckon as more than one chip and > 50% of initial bet.

If it's a call, does that mean that if player;

a. Bets 200 with x2 100 chips

and

b. puts in 600 with x1 500 and x1 100 chip,

then player b has called?

If it is the same denomination chip i.e. 2 x 5000 If you take either chip out and it doesn't cover the call (5100) then it is a call. Different denomination chips as Cotter1 says is a raise as taking the 100 out in that example still covers the 200 call with the 500 chip. Simplez :)

No because they're different denominations. Another example:

Player A makes it 250 utg at 50/100
Player B makes it 650 utg+1
Player c throws in 2x 500 chips without saying anything

This goes as a call because the chips are the same denomination and taking 1 away makes less than a call. This actually happened to me recently (I was utg) and the guy was trying to be clever and get the TD to 'make' him raise, then actually protested when the TD ruled it a call :D

makes sense guys. Was wondering when the > 50% rule would come in?

Do. Ppl Think forward motion is a call/raise?

No lines on table ?
No chips were let go.

Lost a big pot cos of this

Player bets 500, next player puts 800 in, because it is more than 50% of 500 on top, they are forced to min raise to 1000

Need to elaborate

Some guy bets

Some guy has chips in hands moves stack forward but doesn't let go then pulls back . Doesn't move chips far forward tho

Raise or no raise
2
Has calling chips in hand and has a marginal decision. About to throw chi

Some guy bets

Some guy has chips in hands moves stack forward but doesn't let go then pulls back . Doesn't move chips far forward tho

Raise or no raise
2
Has calling chips in hand and has a marginal decision. About to throw chiPs out but changes his mind mid way

1. Non ethical play IMO deserves a warning. Also it depends on the wording of the houses rules. Some say the chips must be released however IMO still shooting an angle and warrants a penalty
2. Can't see a problem with this

Call

From The International Federation of Poker Rule Book

31. MAKING A BET: A bet can be announced verbally or made physically, with a movement of chips. In the event of a player making a verbal and a physical declaration, whichever occurs first will be binding. Any chips that are moved in a significant forward motion, whether or not they touch the table, will be deemed a bet.

http://int.pokerfed.org/rules

Eh?

Ermmm    ....     player B raises the initial bet by 400    .....     so player C is surely re-raising by 600.

I'm confused   ....

If player one is you George them quite clearly its a fold for me.

What if they only have 10k left?

Would that class as an all in?

Call.

The original 5k doesn't cover the bet so the second 5k is considered the first chip for the sake of the 1 chip w/out declaration = call rule.

That said, I often find these situations a bit silly. I don't see what's wrong with the dealer simply asking the player what their intention was and letting them do what they intended. As long as you don't think they're trying to exploit the rules or whatever.

I'm guessing that was what happened.  Someone went to go all-in, threw in their two 5K chips in response to the 5100 bet (but didn't say anything), and it was ruled as a call.

If so then that's a stupid ruling.

"Is that an All In or a Call?"

"An All In"

"Ok."

Sorted. No ruling needed.

Of course there is, guy looks to other guy for reaction, then decides whether he meant allin or call.

lol with 3-1 pot odds he must be supergood at reads.

as if that's relevant to a ruling

If this happens then obviously go by the letter of the law. I'd say though that 99% of the time i've come across this sort of thing it's not someone shooting an angle.

Its always going to be 3-1 in this 2 chip allin scenario.  Trying to get a tell is a valid reason to call a ruling, but its never going to apply to a 2 chip allin/call situation.

 

I like how they do it in America, the dealer would just ask the player if its a call or a raise then everyone would just get on with it.

Only angle-shooting here is from the person pushing for it to be a call. 100%  99.9999%

Yup. Works pretty well every single time I do this too

call it happend to me 2/3 weeks ago in my nlocal casion

yep agree