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Multi Prizepool Poker (MPP)

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On Thursday 10th January Dusk Till Dawn are hosting the first ever MPP tournament guaranteed at £5,000.

 
Live MPP Tournament

 Thursday 10th January

7pm (LR 8.15pm)

Prizepool 1 Buy in: £25 + £6

Prizepool 2 Buy in: £50 + £8

Prizepool 3 Buy in: £100 + £10

Chips: 10,000

Clock: 30/20 Minute

Guarantee: £5,000

 
From Thursday 10th January MPP will run every Thursday live at Dusk Till Dawn.

What is Multi Prizepool Poker?
 
MPP is a new tournament concept created by well known poker professional Roberto Romanello where different bankrolls are combined to play in a single tournament with multiple prizepools enabling increased guarantees to be offered.

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How does MPP work?

 Instead of having separate tournaments at different buy-ins, with MPP there is just one tournament with a range of buy-ins creating multiple prizepools.

Any player entering an MPPevent will always play for the main prizepool which will be at the lowest buy in and always be prizepool 1. Any player who chooses to enter at the highest level will therefore automatically be entered into prizepool 1 and any additional prizepools.

Example

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An MPP tournament is offered with 3 buy in levels i.e. £25 / £50 / £100 that will create 3 prizepools.

A player who chooses to buy in for the minimum £25 will play for prizepool 1 only, a player buying in for £50 will automatically be entered into prizepool 1 where they will have £25 invested but will also be entered into prizepool 2 with an additional investment of £25, players buying in for £100 will be entered into both the £25 prizepools and will also have £50 invested in prizepool 3.

All players will now play a single tournament that has 3 separate prizepools determined by buy in and number of runners in each..


If a player who bought in at prizepool 3 level for £100 wins they would get 1st prize from all 3 prizepools.

If a player who entered for £50 wins they would get 1st prize from prizepool 1and prizepool 2 while the highest finishing prizepool 3 player will win the 1st prize from prizepool 3.

If a player from prizepool 1wins they will just receive that 1st prize.

Additional places will be paid dependant on finishing positions of each player from their respective prizepools.

 

Example

 If a player who entered prizepool 1 (i.e. £25 buy-in) wins they receive 1st place from just prizepool 1. If a prizepool 2 entry finishes 2nd they will receive 2nd place from prizepool 1 and 1st place from prizepool 2. If a prizepool 3 player then finishes 3rd they would receive 3rd place from prizepool 1, 2nd place from prizepool 2 and 1st place in prizepool 3, as shown below.

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Some benefits of MPP over traditional poker events

 This concept allows all players regardless of bankroll to play in a single tournament with high guarantees creating huge prizepools instead of separate events with lower guarantees split between them.

 The players in prizepool 1ill now have a substantially increased prizepool available.

For players choosing to buy in to the additional prizepools it will be possible to cash / win in their respective prizepools and be freerolling on prizepool 1.

Interesting concept.  I'm guessing no deals!

Will it be obvious who is in at which level?

very much doubt it. Looks like fun tho and will be interesting to see if it gets many more runners than the combined runners in the comps ran at present. My initial thoughts would be that the £25 players won't want to be playing in a comp that has better players who play in the bigger buy in comps.

Benefit is that they get to play against the 'better' players without having to pay more for the pleasure.

sounds like a great new idea.

true and I suppose it brings their game on quicker. I think those players would bring more fun to the game as well. The £25 comps always seem to be full of more craic and laughter than the bigger buy in comps.

Props to Dtd for trying something different and new again

Would they have to pay Roberto royalties to stage this type of comp?

I think its an awesome idea, a very good solution to keeping lots of people happy on a weeknight.

I gather Simon will be on to answer questions on this

I am just getting my head round it myself, at this stage


Keep the questions coming and Simon can answer

We need keys itt!

[ ] totally get it

What don't you get, it seems pretty simple?

You pay £25, you can win from the £25 prizepool.  If you pay £50, you can win from the £25 prizepool, and also from the next pool (into which you have paid £25 into, as has anyone else who's entered it). If you pay £100, you can win from all three prizepools (£25 goes into one, £25 into the next, and £50 into the last).

If the last player in the comp paid £100 to enter, they will get the first place prize from all three prizepools.  If they paid £25, they will come first in the £25 prize pool, but no get a penny from the others.  In that scenario, the highest placed player who entered the £100 will be the '1st placed' player in that comp. 

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Liking the idea. I understand where Jason is coming from but there's not a huge gulf between the £25 and £100 players anyway.

Lol at anyone finding it confusing. It's about as straightforward as you could get.

Hopefully the £10 or £15 beginners comps will still run because there would be a big gulf from those guys to the £100 players and it wouldn't be fair at all.

I get the conecpt and think a good idea - its jus the payout bit I need a bit more explanation on - totally get it for the winner, but if a £25 player wins is the £50 and £100 rolled down to next highest?  So ytou could finished 2nd in the overall tourne, however pick up the "1st place" extra from the £100 tourne? 

One thing that isn't clear is how the guarantee would be distributed. Is it split between each buy in or all available to the £25 players?

Assume it has to be split otherwise they need 200 runners every Thursday.

Only thing I don't like about it is that I won't be able to play. Can't make Thursdays :(

Exactly. Everyone plays the £25 comp and the £50 and £100 players are basically in their own last longers. The £100 players are obviously in the £50 last longer as well.

Make it simple and say there are 10 players in the comp.

5 entered with £25
3 entered with £50
2 entered with £100

If one of the £100 players is the first player to go out, then the other £100 player finishes in '1st place' for that prizepool (with 2x£50 in it) no matter when he goes out now.

If the £100 player manages to get heads up and loses to a £25 player then:

£25 player win the £25 prizepool
£100 player wins the £50 prizepool and £100 prizepool and gets second place in the £25 prizepool.

Seems to me like the icm considerations become a complete unknown if you don't know what peoPle are in and playing for?!!?

Let alone what you are playing for?

Prize pools get updated in running?

Anything new is good to keep the recreational players coming in. But yeah I assume that they are going to have to display the amount of people left in each prize pool because you could get in some pretty sick ICM spots where you have to outlast the people in your prizepool.

Yes, how the guarantee would work isn't clear. If there's only one entry in the £100 prizepool does that comp/prizepool still run, and if so, does it have a guarantee?

I'd also assume that every player has a card or chip in front of them indicating their level of prizepool entry (well, all the £50 and £100 players, everyone's in the £25 by default).

I like it but it will take some getting used to.

I'd assume players will have a card on display at all times denoting their buy-ins level? (Lol @ not reading post above)

This looks like a very clever idea. On the whole I really like the sound of it.

Will create some interesting dynamics/fun when a £25 player can "bully" a £100 player who is on the prize-pool 3 money bubble!

Could create some deliberate slow play (or 2 additional hand for hands) when pool 3 and 2 bubble.

Regards mixing £25 and £100 players in the same comp. Having more money doesn't always mean you have more sense or ability and often the best player at the table is the first to bust out.

This works in theory but i can see so many stupid problems. Going to be terrible icm wise for the most expensive field. So -ev for the high rollers.

I can see so many problems that have been mentioned so far, just can't see it reallly. I hope it works, should be fun.

Hi Guys

We are really excited about this new concept which we will be exclusively offering, promoting and developing at Dusk Till Dawn.

We have been working on MPP with Roberto for most of 2012 preparing it for patent and trademark while working out the best way to run it from an operational point of view. As you can imagine, from a systems point of view running 3 tournaments in one and linking 3 payouts is not simple to do. Our tournament system is one of the best i have seen with its ability to run 5 seperate events simultaneously but there is so much more required to run 3 events simultaneously as one. The programme is currently being rewritten with intention to launch with a big MPP event late Feb / early March.

In the meantime we are going to start with a soft launch in January where we will run the event using 3 tournament screens to show the 3 prizepools, players remaining in each, places paid and prizes.

Where we see this leading is huge guarantees that will benefit all bankrolls eg we would normally guarantee a £500 Deepstack at £100,000, whereas with an MPP event we could have £250 / £500 / £1000 buy ins and a minimum £250,000 guaranteed.


Like all new ideas there will be many questions to answer and i will try to give accurate replies but there are some areas that won't become clear until we actually run it in the club eg the %age of players in each prizepool.

I welcome all questions and feedback whether positive or negative and look forward to our very first MPP event on Thursday Jan 10th.


As this concept develops and we learn we may need to make changes that hadn't been realised.

Cheers and a happy Xmas


ACES

Simon, have you worked out how the guarantee will work across the three prizepools?

I can't decide if the ICM considerations make it more interesting or if they hamper the highest stake players too much in the main tournament.

That's a good one to start :)

If we have guaranteed an MPP event for more than £50,000 and one of the pools exceeds this there can be no deal on that pool but any under £50,000 can deal.

Cheers

ACES

Everyone is playing pool 1 so the information for that event will be available as usual, the other prizepoolds will show how many left so if you are in it you will know when the theoretical bubble is.

Cheers

ACES

We are hoping that the increased prizepools especially for the lowest buy in will not put off the P1 player and in theory there will only be a few P3 players as a %age of the field. Also, you know the best way to improve your game is to play better opponents :)

Cheers

ACES

Couldn't have said it better LOL

Answering these in order so their will be some duplication.

Cheers

ACES

I really hope this works as the potential is huge and it enables big guarantees without re entry or reloads.

Cheers

ACES

This is pretty genius, I hope this will be as big as I think it's going to be.

Definitely going to be a lot of fun on the final table of one of these, working out the value of knocking each player out depending on which prize-pool they're in for.

Love the innovation, sounds like a great idea. Would like to see it with maybe a bigger spread in buyins, e.g. Maybe the deepstack could be 50/150/500. I think that could be very interesting.

and it this very reason why I will do all I can to play in these.  Its perfect for the low-buy in players.

Did I miss the answer to whether it will be clear which buy in people are playing?

yeah that would be a corker. With £25/£50/£100 on a school night would you have a rough idea of the spread of players. 40 x £25  30 x £50  25 x £100 gets you to the £5k gtd and looks easily manageable.

this already kills dead the concern I had. Do the lower buy in players want to play up against the better players in the comp. evidently they do. This is exciting and could get the club buzzing.

Will this last long term though?

Can't imagine the lower buy in players will win that often

I take it that this tourney is going to be a weekly tourney

Is there a cap on the number of players per tier or is it first come first served?

tell me a final table you have ever seen that has been stacked with good players. I think you will be suprised to see how many of the £25 players make the final table. Starting to get real excited about this comp,

I think running it as a one off thing is better then a regular tourney

I'm prob wrong but I just can't see it last long

ICM this, -EV that all are very important for those that really understand it. I however, only have a basic grasp of these so I have to take the tourney at face value. It seems to to me to be a very exciting and very different format to the normal style of tourney and I think it will attract a lot of players to it. The smaller stake players like myself will be attracted by the chance to play the better players and vice versa, the better players a chance to play against a lot of players they should have an edge against whilst still  having a reasonable return because of the higher buy-in prize pool.
 DTD should be congratulated for introducing new and innovative forms of poker. Hopefully this will encourage them to trying new things. (Live multi-table cash games anyone??? ;) ;D)

I'd deffo put the effort into schleping the 2 hours up to DTD if work,wife and kids allow.

Great boost to the confidence for any of the £25 buy in players who go deep. Plus a great encouragement to buy in at the higher level next time

Oh, and Robert Baguley will have a field day :)

Really interesting idea, think I like it if you can deal with the logistics!

If successful something which could be rolled out into the Monthly Deepstack Perhaps, let the player decide if they want to play a 150, a 300 or a 500!

Exclamation marks!

I'm trying and I literally cannot imagine you saying the above post, with the exclamation marks, in your real life voice. Come to think of it, is it written in your DJ voice?

wow exciting stuff!

I think (theoretically at least) it looks great, I disagree completely with people saying this is bad for lower buyin players, sounds amazing for lower buyin players because not only will there be a big increase to the prizepool (so they can win more money when they win) but "higher buyin players" don't necessarily = "better players" so insinuation that it'll make the tournaments un-winable for lower stakes players is defo, defo wrong.

Good work Roberto/DTD wish you the very best of luck with it i'll try my very best to support you guys when it launches.

The guarantee covers the event so all 3 prizepools, we expect approx 70% will be in P1 so £3500 of a £5000 guarantem , any overlay ( hopefully there wont be one :) will be split between the three prizepools based on %age of field in each pool eg £1000 overlay in a 70% P1 situation would get additional £700.


Cheers

ACES

Not sure that the value is there for players paying top entry for all three prize pools.

Looking at the example in the opening post, and I accept it is only an example. A player buying in for £100 is paying an extra £50  over prize pool 2 for an extra £750 prize pool.

Even if more players buy in to PP3 the as long as players are playing the same tournament for £50 or £75 less it means you have to beat far more players than you would in a conventional prize structure hence reduced overall value if you buy in to all three prize pools

Therefore I doubt it would work for larger buy ins ie ie 150/300/500

There is balancer that helps a little if I interpret it right in that you could finish 10th and still win 1st place from prize pool 3 if you are last man standing in that prize pool.

Yeh that last sentence is why it's exactly the same, if PP3 is smaller then it only means you have to beat less people to win 1st place in that prizepool.

Once late reg finishes all prizepools, number of players entered, how many left, how many places paid and amounts will all be available

Cheers

ACES

The guarantee is for all 3 prizepools but if no one enters 2 or P3 it would all go to P1. If only one player has entered P3 he would come 1st and get £30 back.

Cheers

ACES

P1 will show all players entered, at the moment we dont intend to show P2 and P3 entries as while everyone in P1 will experience the bubble it would be unfair for P1 players to be able to bully P2 and P3 players on their bubbles, also their will be no hand for hand on the P2 and P3 bubbles, an announcement will be made when each pool makes that point and P1, our TD will be aware who is left in , where they are sat and will make sure all players know when they are in the money, P1 will have a normal hand for hand.

Cheers

ACES

The guarantees will be for the whole event not individual prizepools, the only time the guarantee will be seen to be divided is in the event of an overlay when it will be split by %age.

eg 100 players split P1 70, P2 20, P3 10

£1000 overlay is split £700 / £200 / £100

If you enterd P3 you have the chance to win the whole £1000, if you only entered P1 you can win 70% of the added value.

Cheers

ACES

It certainly adds a new dynamic to a tournament with three different bubbles and I imagine it would be fun to play at least.

It is an interesting dynamic as long as there is no chip-dumping between tiers.

Pay the full buyin, get to the final and:

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Very interesting concept, look forward to seeing how this works out, gl with it!

That's a really good point! The wider the buy in spread the more likely this gets too

I guess it requires very specific circumstances but again requires watching

It's an obvious 'weakness' with the format.  Usually, chips are of equal value (as in they cost the same to purchase), but a £100 player doubling up against a £25 player has technically increased the 'value' of those chips.

Sorry not read whole thread yet, but I ran exactly this in 2001. Goes great until people decide to get cute. I have disqualified more people in these than in any other tourney.

This should be at the very least a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to giving it a go!

I'm struggling to see why it would ever make sense to buy in at the highest level.

Looking at the sample tournament with a total value of £7,000, and assuming 35% payout for first place from each pot.

£25 wins tournament: £1531
£50 wins tournament: £1531 + £656 = £2187
£100 wins tournament: £1531 + £656 + £262 = £2449

Now I realise that P2/P3 will pay a higher % as there's less people in them but it's not going to make a huge difference, prob just an extra few hundred.

So you can pay £25 to win £1531, or you can pay £100 to win £2449. That is you could pay 4 times as much to not even win double.

Now I accept that it's possible it might be easier to win some of your money back as the £100 player as there's only 15 playing for that pot. But unless you happen to finish highest of those 15 then you're probably only getting your extra money back which makes me wonder why bother playing at that level. You could have just played bronze where the meat of the prizepool is and not risk the extra.


And that brings us to guarantees. I'm going to make up a hypothetical 250/500/1000 w/ £250,000 guaranteed as Simon said earlier. Let's assume it gets the following entries:

500 x 250 = £125,000 P1
100 x 500 = £25,000 P1 + £25,000 P2
50 x 1000 = £12,500 P1 + £12,500 P2 + £25,000 P3

= £225,000 total so £25,000 overlay. The %s give us:

£19,250 goes into P1 (77% of field)
£3,750 goes into P2 (15% of field)
£2,000 goes into P3 (the rest)

(A bit of rounding going on there but close enough)

Giving...

P1: £181,750
P2: £41,250
P3: £27,000

First prizes of:

£250 player: £63,612
£500 player: £78,050
£1000 player: £87,500

All are again assuming 35% payout for first prize.

Seems like a no brainer there to buyin for £250 unless I'm wildly off the mark here.

Also, 2 other questions...

1) Juice. Same for everyone or different on stake? If it's 10% so £250+£25 and £1000+£100. Or would it be capped at the lower amount? i.e. £1000+£25. Just seems a bit weird to me that the higher entrants are paying more to play in the same tournament.

2) Caps on players per PP. Say you've got a 450 capacity and guaranteed the event assuming a mix of PP entrants. 450 players come through the door and buyin to PP1. As a result the tournament doesn't hit the guarantee and the overlay is all put into PP1. Comes into what I put in the last post too. You can pay £250 and have the other £250 overlaid. Or just pay the £500 yourself so the comp hits the guarantee. Again, buy in for the lower amount. The money's gonna be in the prizepool anyway.

But Cf if you enter at 1k you have 450 fewer people to beat to win 87k and you don't even have to knock one of them out.

No, you don't. The 50 of you are only playing for £27,000. So if you're the highest finisher there you'll get £9,450 but if you want 1st prize from PP1 then you're going to have to win the tournament as everyone is in PP1.

Cf you are missing the point completely.

Under your theory if there were three seperate tournaments running, a £25 with 5000 runners, a £100 tournament with 800 runners and a £500 tournament with 100 runners, you would choose to play the £25 tournament because it has the biggest first prize. Obviously that does not mean it is the most profitable tournament.

In this MPP you are effectively playing 3 tournaments at the same time. So if you are +EV in all the fields, then the highest buy-in is clearly the one you would choose.

A typical Thursday night at DTD consists largely of regs playing the 50 and a mixure of regs and travellers playing the 25. Hi rollers? They can take it or leave it. Maybe sometimes poker can be more about fun than ICM considerations, maybe?

yeah I agree me Flip Flop. The guys in the lower buy in comps have loads more fun. There are some absolute side splitting moments almost every orbit. I am up for this, will bring a car load of mates and will be funking for the £25 players so much.

I can't argue with what you're saying there but I doubt most will think like that. I think the majority will ask "If I buyin for X then what is 1st prize?". The answer to that question seems to be more favourable to the lower buyin amount.

And thinking about it you'd especially consider this with a guarantee. The event is guaranteed anyway so just everyone buyin for the lowest amount. The money'll be put in - no need to put it there yourself. And as it's split by % of players per PP there doesn't seem to be much advantage in buying in for more hoping for an easier chance at a split because most of it will be put in the lower PP.

The question about the juice is an interesting one.

CF's posting reminds me of an old Rolling Stones song from the album "Their Satanic Majestys Request" which was a kind of riposte to the Beatles' "Sergeant Pepper". I forget the name of the song but it started thusly:

"She's like a rainbow, she comes in colours everywhere"...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGmb8xH0cKE

Again your thinking is flawed. If there is to be an overlay, it makes sense to buy-in for the highest amount so you are exposed to as much of the overlay as possible. Covering a slightly larger portion of the guaranteed prize pool yourself will have very negligible difference.

You could think of this concept as everyone playing the same tournament, with two different pools of last longer bets. Just because the prize pool in them is less than the main tournament, doesn't necessarily mean people won't play them. Degens gonna degen, and it's def the best option for anyone with an edge on the respective fields.

I have the following observations:-

1. The demographic of players on a Thurs night is going to be quite different to the demographic on a weekend.

2. The anticipated split of players in the different levels is obviously difficult to estimate at this stage, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the % is the reverse of your estimate i.e. 70% of players buy in for the highest buy in. This probably won't happen at first but over time I think it will (on a £25, £50 & £100). In order to avoid it becoming a £100 tourney the differentiation needs to be wider (larger gaps between buy ins).

Merry Xmas everyone

I like this idea but whether it is successful remains to be seen. Like most new ideas - it cud just drill.

The history behind DTD becoming involved is that Roberto came to see me after Full Tilt went offline - he had been talking with them about introducing MPP into their software, Roberto was a Full Tilt pro at the time and his idea is patent pending with 'MPP' being his trademark for the idea, i helped him with the patent and trademark lawyer but Its his baby really but as a mate of mine we agreed to trial it together at DTD. The trial on Thursdays is to assist us with upgrading our computer system and find out of the inevitable teething issues, many of which have ready been highlighted in this thread. IF we like what we see during the Thursday trials - we will organise some bigger MPP tournaments.

Lot of very good points on this thread and its nice that so many players also care about new poker concepts like us :)

Cheers Rob

Sounds fun, and poker's supposed to be fun - maybe those 'terrible' 25 pound players might create a brand new recipe for Nigella      .....        The Galactico Face Omelette!

Andrew wan and Robert baggerley may have something to say about terrible £25 players!

Think this is a really exciting and interesting concept!

I'm quite interested to know if people will be given any kind of indentifier when they enter the comp to single out who is in which comp?

I think this is quite important as effectively there will be 3 bubbles. This has to be a disadvantage to the highest buy-in players as they will have to go through ICM considerations and laddering spots while other players at the table will have none.

For example if there are 1000 players in pool 1, 500 in pool 2 and 100 in pool 3, there could be only 15 left in pool 3 and 14 paid, while there are still 300 left in pool 1 and 130 paid. Obviously in this situation pool 3 players will be in a spot where it is pretty bad to bust and wont be taking massive varience lines on 'their bubble'. If these players are identified as such, other players can take advantage of this and pound on them during all 3 bubbles they have to go through. However if they aren't identified, it could lead to situations where some people at the table know a player is on the bubble of their comp and others don't know he is playing in pool 3 and can't take advantage of it.

Love the idea though.

Has there been any talk of them being re-entry / reload tournaments as well?

If so would you only be allowed to buy back in at the same level as you initially started?

I definitely think there needs to be an identifier with each player so you know whether they're in the same comp as you.

You could have a situation where one of your comps was on the bubble whilst another was a long way off or it had already burst.

You need to know who you can apply pressure to at what times and also be able to adjust to their assumed ranges depending on what stage their comp is at.

Also agree with Michelle. I can't see any reason that the higher buy in won't account for a higher proportion of the field. Every example so far has assumed that the lower buy in players will vastly outnumber the lower.

When I did it late reg or alternates were not even factored into the logistics. With late reg it kinda opens a few more doors for opportunists.
i.e. Mr Money has already punted on a couple of players at lowest buy-in, the initial seat draw was to 7 so he now has a couple of shots to hit the right table and if he is sharp enough he will hit every time. It is now a stakers game of chess, do you use your pawns to inflict damage or get them to dump? All gets a bit complex and exhausting. The comp itself is magical as it sets comfortable personal entry levels, just the players spoil it by trying to exploit the many angles.

The idea is great and I am behind it. I think the fields may be too large too for chip dumping to really take place, but it is late on in the tourns though that would be a concern. Off the table deals for the £25 player to cip dump his huge stack to the £100 player with 20 left and give him the best possible opportunity to go ahead and win it and cut him in afterwards.

There would need to be dealer awareness of this and the floor could possibly get called over for any really dodgy spots that are suspicious. But the way around this would be pretty simple for those that want to chip dump. Just barrel bluff on three streets to the guy you wanna give your stack to and let him know via signal you have nothing when your river bet is an all in. He could just be seen as doing a legitimate hero call and it would be way too tough to prove any wrong doing took place. Whereas if it is a three barrel bluff and the hero re raises all in and the bluffer folds his bowl of rice, I think alarm bells can be sounded and two disqualifications can perhaps take place. But even then this could just be a legitimate situation.

It just sounds like there could be a huge headache here and you could just get people being really paranoid about any play between a £25 and a £100 player to the point they can no longer really enjoy the format at all even if all the play is legitimate. It is just the chance that you could be getting done over that will taint the air of the game and make it a much less pleasurable experience. People always suspicious if a play is genuine or not. Of course this is only theory and I could be completely wrong. I hope this is a romping success.

Theres not really an issue if it becomes a £100 tourney as the £100 players are still contributing to the £25 pot. So the £25 player can still enter and have a big pot.

The problem is if it happens the other way. If everyone enters for £25 then no money is going towards the £100 pot. So the £100 player can still play but he'd essentially be playing a £25 tournament with perhaps a built in last longer.

Great idea i like!

I do worry about the colluding issues but if any place can control this it would be DTD.

I will be donating £100 in January that is for sure!

Sounds an interesting concept, it's definately worth trying, it has several benefits:

It entices people from afar to come and play the higher buy in.
It reduces the fluctuations in profit/loss for the higher buy in players. e.g you could finish 1st in the £100 buy in and 8th in the £25 buy in and still come out with a reasonable profit.

If it works the same concept could be used for £100/£250/£500.  I have to say I've been put off travelling to DTD for the £560 buy in believing a 40 minute clock justifies a lower buy in even if it has been my most profitable and favourite casino. 

Hope it works, for the sake of poker and DTD who keep pushing the boundaries.

 ;goodluck;

The likelihood of chip dumping by £25 players will become greater if more players enter pp3 thereby creating a larger pp2 and pp3.
This has to be a real concern and as stated in earlier posts it will be difficult to police.

theres gonna be so much tomfoolery and shenanigans, stalling, chip dumping, collusion i can't ever see it running smoothly.

This is why it's going to be so much fun :D

Can't see it being appealing for any more than £500 max buy in but for a 25/50/100 comp it'll be brilliant.

Agreed, I'm all for innovations but I don't see this as worth the hassle. The semi-shady angleshooting types you see in most low buy-in tourneys will have a field day. Imagine 5 people agreeing to split all profits 4 £25 entries and 1 £100er who gets dumped to whenever convenient (a big 3 bet fold pre here and there or a 3 barrel "bluff") You're potentially getting 5 £100 entries for £200. Or simply a £100 player buys chips off a £25 guy with 20 left on a smoke break to guarantee a top finish.

Hadn't thought about chip swapping. Never mind chip dumping, just hand a few over at the break.

DTD need to impose a strict instant ban for anyone caught doing this to try to deter it.

Chip dumping etc needs these 5people to be on the same table of course, and for them not to be known to be associates, and for the dealers and tournament staff to be blind

Do a deal with someone in the smoke break to get chips passed to you? If someone approached me with that offer I'd just have a word with the TD as I would if someone offered to sell me some. DQ as a minimum I'd expect.

It's worrying that people are trying to find the angles so quickly... Wouldn't occur to me to be anything other than straight.

The concept itself is pretty intriguing, the impact on the confidence of a PP1 player winning and having beaten the PP2/PP3 players would be significant.

There will be issues and wrinkles to resolve and DTD is the best place to do that. But woe betide anyone attempting to cheat in it under that roof.

A group of 8 who late reg at the same time?

Very difficult to distinguish between bad play, coolers and chip dumping, even for competent dealers. With dealers changing on the table frequently, how would a new dealer to the table know about any previous hands?


I'd never cheat either David, but that doesn't mean there aren't others who cheat in regular comps - never mind when there's a definite angle to shoot.


I'm sure there are those who cheat/collude in the existing comps at DTD and get away with it. At least there are no self-deal comps and it's probably a better place than most for tackling cheating - but think it'd be naive to think there wasn't any going on.

Thing thing about "cheating" is I can even imagine people not knowigly turning up to cheat, but a situation where 5 lads travel from 2-3 hours away, 3 in for 25, 2 in for 100. If they ran deep and the proze pool was skewed to the top prize pool, its a situation of simple maths that might make them think "well ill just ditch my chips to Tarquin as his are worth 4x mine".

This is obv cheating, but might be done without any original intention

No doubt a valid discussion, just a shame that the great new concept is now being dominated by how people can cheat and how to stop the cheaters!

Well it could always be run as a team competition with all of the angles allowed.

Now that would be fun.

This, this and more of this!

If we had a spread as big as 10 x P1 this would obviously encourage collusion, chip dumping, hence the jump between P1 and P3 is only double.

ACES

We haven't decided the best way to do this yet, all the information re each prizepool will be dynamically linked to our site but not available on the screens with our manual trials, may be a way to include it once the system is rewritten with all prizepools combined, may have to use the P2 / P3 card solution given at cash desk but can't force players to display them.

ACES

We are hoping that all players will want to play from the start or within the first level as the structure will be based on P1 buy in so no need to cap P1, the trials should give us sufficient information and regardless of cost we will get the format right asap.

ACES

I see no reason why this would happen, difference between buy in to P1 and P3 eg P1 is £25 and P3 is £50, the fact the player invests £100 is not relevant as it is spread over 3 prizepools and P3 is only double the value of P1, and the more players in P1 the bigger the prizepool over P3 making it even less attractive to chip dump.

ACES

This is a fair point and I really hope I'm wrong. I trust DTD > all to police this sort of thing. Glad you're on top of it.

Can't see a chap called Tarquin cheating.

haha -  i orignally put "brian" but then thought someone might get offended

When you play a regular comp you have to beat approx 88% of the field to cash, be honest, how often do you do that? Wth MPP you can enter P2 or P3 and with a good solid game will cash and / or be freerolling on P1 most times you play, this has to be good for your bankroll ?

ACES

Depending on how the trials go we may consider reload one one day events during late reg and re entry into day 1b on multi day comps, as everyone is playing P1 i see no reason too enforce players to re enter into same pool but i would imagine they would want to rather than give up their equity.

ACES

Everyone is playing P1 so that will be relative to structure and clock, the difference is while with a standard £250 the guarantee would be £100,000, in a £250 / £500 /£1000 MPP the guarantee would be a minimum £250,000, assuming at least 60% goes to P1 the £250 players now has a shot at 50% more.

i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1 i would expect to cash in P3 and P2 giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes. :)

ACES

i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1 i would expect to cash in P3 and P2 giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes. :)

ACES
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I dont get this bit Simon. Surely cashing in P3 and P2 will be just as hard, same 12% of that prize pool get paid ???

Also a few seem to think that P3 & P2 bubbles will burst before the P1 bubble. However this isnt necessarily the case, in fact if you subscribe to the theory that the P3 players will be better than the lower buy-in P1 players then the bubble will burst for P1 usually first.

I love the idea by the way and look forward to coming along to play one soon.

But don't P2/P3 have the same problem? You still have to beat 88% of them to cash too. I get what you're saying that it'll be possible to cash in P2/P3 before the bubble has burst for P1 but I'm not sure those bubbles will burst significantly earlier. And if a number of P2/P3 players make it to the end then the bubbles for those could burst after PP1. The way you've worded it suggests everyone enters P3 because they think they're going to get their money back/freeroll. This isn't going to be the case for the majority of them.

One of the things I do like about this is how unpredictable it's going to be. This thread shows a wide range of opinions on how people interpret it. I myself think it's best to buy in for the lower amount. Others think it's best to buy in for the higher amount. Be interesting to see how it all pans out... I'd definitely be interested in playing a monthly deepstack with this format.

its a great idea. i did like the 2+2 comment though, "sounds like organised last longers with extra rake".

What? How can you mysteriously cash P3 everytime just because it has less players? You're still paying top 88% right? Or is this some sort of MPP strategy you've already worked out.

Fewer!

My English is normally OK. I do apologise.

I know, I should have let it go. :)

I dont get this bit Simon. Surely cashing in P3 and P2 will be just as hard, same 12% of that prize pool get paid ???

Also a few seem to think that P3 & P2 bubbles will burst before the P1 bubble. However this isnt necessarily the case, in fact if you subscribe to the theory that the P3 players will be better than the lower buy-in P1 players then the bubble will burst for P1 usually first.

I love the idea by the way and look forward to coming along to play one soon.
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I accept that in theory you still have to beat 88% in each pool however i expect because of the dynamics of MPP and the mix of bankrolls and abilities these tournaments will not be played the same way as a normal event and different strategies will be used.

One thing is certain, anyone found colluding, cheating or chip dumping will, along with their accomplice be outed and barred for life11

We have an operational meeting with all the TD and supervisors tomorrow so all the comments made on this and other threads will be discussed.

Cheers

ACES

Without a clear indicator as to which people are playing which prize pool how would you know whether there was any collusion going on?

There was repeated insistence on having Golden Chips on display at the last GP, was this for marketing or to enable dealers and TD to keep an eye on the play?
A simple coloured card would be enough. Or make some special hats.

PP1 IS IT HATS

OMG


YESSSSSSS!!!!!!

Wearing hats or badges reminds me of this :)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lj056ao6GE

Gonna play this on Thursday.......just at the £25 level so don't expect to last long against those pesky high level regs.

Can see it now, someone shoves all in and with one left to act, they're gonna say "what level you in for?" which may sway their decision making.

See you there.

roberto was bigging this up on Friday night. Id imagine he will be there with some followers. I would expect high runners this Thursday will be interesting to see how it goes from there on inwards!

Just noticed.....doors open at 7pm, tournament starts at 7pm.

How's that gonna work then?

like a stampede :)

Opens at 6.30pm

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com//news.php?id=2305

If you're planning on playing I'd still buy in online though

Played a 25 after my exit from the 100 and a fella sat at my table was openly telling the table how he was planning to buy 2friends into the lower levels and play the top tier himself and collude with them.

This did strike me as somewhat ridiculous for the following reasons:

1 saying it on the table, just lol

2 mentioning the actual names of the players he'd be buying in

3 assuming he'd actually be sat with the same 2 people ling enough to be able to collude without getting spotted by other players/dealers/floor etc

4 lol

lol I hope you had a quiet word in the ear of the td to keep an eye out for those names when MPP begins.

will there be any updates on this tourny...just a brief outline like runners at each level, end time etc.

i can see the benefit of the higher buy in...for example there are 20 left and only 2 are from the higher buyin...kinowing they have got 1st or 2nd they could play ultra aggressively.

good concept.

I play once a week in the £25 on a Thursday because that's all I can manage due to work/family/cost etc. and I play for the fun of it and to hopefully improve my game. I've only played the £50 once in two years of membership and donked a win to the tune of £1570 =  happy days!

Some of the play in the £25 can be pretty mad and sometimes spoil the game - last week one guy went all-in about a dozen times on the run, half the time blind and yes, 90% of the time he lucked out. The only thing I learned was how to avoid the lunatic! The play in the £50 was a lot more considered but it's all part of my education.

I think this is a great format because it will allow me to play with supposedly better players that regularly play at higher levels for my normal entry fee. Being the naive optimist I am, I thinks it's sad that people are already discussing ways in which they can cheat in order to win. The secret is just get better at the game you sad muppets!

If you're one of the supposedly better players, stop filling your heads with all sorts of ICM computations and get out there amongst the fish - the water will be lovely!

Couple of suggestions :-

1) What about Rob, Simon and Roberto all playing in the tourney and with a bounty on their heads of maybe free entry to the next tourney but at the next level up?
2) Players level identified by them being given a DTD branded chip protector when they register. That way the travellers may take away some free publicity to their normal card room.

Can't wait till Thursday

Welcome to blonde Mr Scrooge :hello:

Good first post.

Welcome....see you Thursday.

Hi

Would be really helpful if you could post on here to let DTD know if you are attending the first MPP tournament on Thursday, and if so which buy in level? thank you

Im in for 50 or 100 not sure yet!

Will be going but undecided about buyin yet. I've ruled £25 out

In for £25.....

going to try and get for £50

Depends entirely on working out whether the wife's comment

"Do whatever you want" is a true statement or a threat!

50/50 tbh but if so the £100

Is this ever what they actually mean ?

GLGL :P

She must have more than 50% of your returns.  ;)

So tonight is the big MPP night

The club opens at 6.30pm and the tournament starts at 7pm

A reminder of the MPP format and concept can be seen at http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/mpp.php

(http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/images/promotions/mpp-logo.png)

Interested to hear feedback tomorrow if you play it

 ;carlocitrone;

What times late reg?

After 7pm...

;marks;

"It's 8pm, please recommend players turn up on time if they can."


I think its expected to be pretty busy....

It was a threat!!!

Sorry guys - maybe next time!

Cheers Tighty an Boshi ;)

Can't make that but will look forward to see how it goes.

Live feedback?!

I will be very intrigued to know what people buy in for, and what info is available to players at which point. Wish I could make Thursdays as would like to see how this goes

Packed. 100 in and about 50 queuing. I'm at the front waiting for them to open up registration. Cards to determine which prize pool you're in

Seems like a good response! Queuing to the door!

MPP 177 total P1 66, P2 48, P3 63, total prize pool £10,350,

P1 £25 entry wins £1192, P2 £50 entry can win £2016 P3 £100 can win £3024

results in the morning

I am sure DTD would love to hear comments from people playing, thanks

What went smoothly? what would you like to see to improve it? will you be back? etc etc

Stats wise it sounds like an unmitigated success. I hope it's enjoyable for those playing and it goes well for DTD...

So if a £100 player wins outright they can scoop like £7k? Is this right?

No. That's not right. 3k odd.

Right what happened on the bubbles? Any info? Or just chaos?

Do the screens show 3 payouts etc...?

It's all about the software I reckon.

If he wins whole tourney he will scoop right?

Romanello 4handed!

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Inaugural winner of the MPP Brian Shepherd , a P3 entry won all 3 first prizes £3040, runner up Roberto Romanello

P1 £25

1    Brian Sheppard    £1,192.13
2    Roberto Romanello    £688.88
3    Tabassam Nadeem    £412.50
4    Wayne Hopkin    £288.75
5    Paul Grummitt    £226.88
6    Wayne Catchpole    £185.63
7    Tim Wright    £165.00
8    Philip Davis    £132.00
9    Matthew Simpson    £111.38
10    Adam Francis    £86.63
11    Algernon Buchanan    £82.50
12    Andrew Storey    £82.50
13    Mal Linton    £82.50
14    Giovanni Pentangelo    £78.38
15    Ray Mackintosh    £78.38
16    Paul Jenkinson    £78.38
17    Imran Mckenzie    £78.38
18    Aleem Kanji    £74.25
19    David Manning    £50.00
20    Luke Edwards    £50.00
21    Simas Dargis    £50.00
22    John Cann    £50.00
23    Ghassan El-hoss    £50.00
24    Maria Demetriou    £50.00


p2 £50

1    Brian Sheppard
2    Roberto Romanello
3    Paul Grummitt
4    Tim Wright
5    Philip Davis
6    Adam Francis
7    Matthew Simpson
8    Andrew Storey
9    Giovanni Pentangelo
10    Ray Mackintosh
11    Paul Jenkinson
12    Imran Mckenzie
13    Aleem Kanji
14    David Manning

1    -    £824
2    -    £488
3    -    £319
4    -    £239
5    -    £180
6    -    £150
7    -    £122
8    -    £97
9    -    £75
10    -    £58
11    -    £56
12    -    £56
13    -    £56
14    -    £56


P3

1    Brian Sheppard
2    Roberto Romanello
3    Paul Grummitt
4    Tim Wright
5    Matthew Simpson
6    Adam Francis
7    Giovanni Pentangelo
8    Ray Mackintosh
9    Paul Jenkinson

1    -    £1,008
2    -    £630
3    -    £413
4    -    £299
5    -    £221
6    -    £173
7    -    £151
8    -    £135
9    -    £120

So 9 of the top 16 were max buy in players, even though pool 3 only accounted for 63/177 players. Obviously lolsamplesize but will be interested to see if this trend replicates over time.

3rd, 4th & 6th were just in for the £25. A great performance and looks like there could be more of these comps in the future.

Have to say that the payouts look spot on too, PJ in for £100 and min cashed p3 and picked up £250 from all 3 pots.

Was nice to see such a busy turnout for a Thursday. Cash games rammed as a result. Can't really fault the tournament overall, seems to have worked nicely. If I were to gripe for me I felt that the 10k stack and lack of re-entry didn't give enough play. I guess I'll have to learn to nit up a bit if i'm going to play it regularly. Interesting to see the 100's doing so well. I think there was a noticeable difference between the buy in levels, and wouldn't be surprised if the pattern continues.

What time did the comp finish?  Surely 10K is enough for an evening comp with the structure it has?  Also, DTD needs to get their money back from tournaments (that are run pretty much as loss-leaders to attract people into the club to play cash, play the pit games, and buy food/drink) - so having re-entry isn't really in anyone's interest.

I think it's a fun little idea, but playing it didnt seem like anything different, I guess you need to go abit deeper and play around the bubbles of each prize pool to fully 'experience' it.  It's not something that would interest me again. Romanello prob not e bringing a coach full next week either. Hope it's successful, I just don't see the advantages of it for the higher buy in level.

Great atmosphere and the place was buzzing. Should take Blueace's advice and nit up a bit as played a bit loose and went out quite quickly having got a bit over-excited with  Ad Qd on a flop of  Ac  Qh 8d (against pocket 8's). I wasn't the only one though. One of the Welsh contingent arrived late at our table, had bought into P3 at £100 and was out in two hands!

Would have loved to have bought back in but had to play cash instead but managed a decent score.

Back next week - you bet!

Not being funny but dodgy betting and plays happen everytime I'm there between friends but not much can be done can it lol

Good report from the writer, who played it

http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2013/01/first-ever-multi-prize-pool-tournament-is-a-roaring-success-9813.htm

If I knew romanello brought a crazy poker coach I would of come and so would loads of others, read some big names were there, should of said before! ;)

Yes, but it's more of an issue when chips have different monetary values, as they do in the MPP.  I'm sure DTD will be policing it vigilantly though, and it'd probably be more of an issue at higher buy-ins.

last hour of the night 3k flips on Dc table, Rob ran well, nice bunch of Welsh guys, loved a gamble and all had fun.

Played this last night and finished 32nd I think.  First live tourney in months and thoroughly enjoyed it.  Felt seriously out of my depth especially with Simon Deadman on my left at the start.  I bought in for £25 and the tourney went smoothly as normal.

The best thing for me was to play against quality players and just to watch their actions and try to understand why etc etc.  I felt I learned a lot, mainly playing too many hands.

It was satisfying when my AK beat Roberto Romanello's QQ (king on the river) to double me up.

Was busy last night and everything seemed to go smoothly with Simon Trumper keeping us informed over the mic on payouts etc.

Hi Guys

For those of you who missed last night's MPP action....see the breakdown of how results were split across the 3 buy in's!

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/blog.php?profile=7&id=391

Hope to see a few of you next Thursday :)

We knew a few poker celebs were heading down but didnt announce it as the queue would have reached the cinema over the road!!!!

Cheers Nicola

Probably comparing it with the old Thursday offering of 50 +1 which allowed a laggy player to get involved more.  Not wanting changes just pointing out my personal perspective - more play = more fun.  ;sexybanana; I'm obv aware of the need to generate non torn money into the club, and will always do my bit whether that be spending dosh in club or defending the club when I hear moaners re long breaks, coffee prices, rake, etc, etc.

Pretty happy with how this trial went, like us trying new concepts, some will and have failed miserably but this idea of Roberto's has some legs, cant argue with a £10K prizepool on a cold Thursday night in Nottingham. Simon is planning to try £50-£100-£200 1 day event, £30,000 GTE on a Saturday pretty soon. Thank you to everyone that supported this. Cheers Rob

We went hand for hand on P1 then P2 and P3 are monitored without stopping.

The P1 screen showed total players, chips and average, P2 and P3 screens showed number of players in each, how many remaining, how many places paid. All had clock, levels, breaks.

Each clock was a different colour matching the players cards.

Here are a few figures ....

All 177 players were in P1 boosted prizepool 1 alone to £4,425.  P2 held a £25 investment from P2 and P3 so the 111 players had a prizepool 2 total of £2,775. The 64 P3 players had a separate investment of £50 in Prize pool 3 therefore only these players were playing for an additional £3,200.

The guarantee was £5000 but total prizepools exceeded £10,000 with first places as follows, P1 £1192, P2 £824 and P3 £1024.

A normal Thursday night £25 is guaranteed at £1000 and gets 60 players resulting in a £450 first place so now a P1 entry could get almost £750 more, a P2 if they won the whole event would get £2016, approx double the standard return for a £50 comp while the P3 could and did win £3040, 30 x their £100 buy in.

The bubbles came at 25 for P1, 21 for P2 and 18 for P3.

Final 8 comprised of 3 x P1, 1 x P2 and 3 x P3

Mnimum payout for 8th  on final table : P1 £132, P2 £220, P3 £366


Cheers

ACES

Sounds like an ideal solution to week night tournaments, wish I lived closer.  Looking forward to the £50/100/200 Saturday event that Rob suggested.

Admin wise seemed intensive. Maybe encourage online entry with extra chips?

On my table in the Iancredible 100 yesterday quite a few of the table didn't understand how this was going to work, they were confused about the prize pools not realising that the higher buy in covered entry in to all the prize pools. I don't know how you can make it any clearer but this was certainly stopping at least 3 players on my table from entering.

I really enjoyed this tournament. Yes it will not be much different to a normal comp until you reach the bubble stages, but levelling yourself working out players with a P1 badge in front of them is oh so fun.

I was unfortunate enough to have Kings bust by 55 on the pure bubble with 25 left, which left me with barely 2 bb's. Very next hand flick it in with 99 (sweet) and lost to JQ. I go off in a mini huff with Evil Pie finding it hilarious I am the pure bubble biatch.  A couple of minutes later Simon Trumps finds me to let me know I did not infact bubble as someone was all in on the other table about half a minute prior to me. Yay!!! Because it was still 2 people away from the P2 bubble I only got £50 from the first pot so in fact lost £8 lol. It was fun though and definitely would play again ESPECIALLY if DTD do the £50/£100/£200 combo.

Made a bit of a rookie error last week in only buying into the P2 £50 section. Was trying to be clever and just wanted to sample the tourney first and see how it played out. Had no idea it was going to be so busy and so many people bought in for £100.  Clearly if you don't cash you are a genius and have saved your money but that's just silly going forward. Once the bubble has burst you definitely want to be in the P3 prize pool too.

I suppose dtd could issue a guide for dummies, certainly if they're that brain dead would be nice to have their money in the comp.

£30,000 GTD Multi Prizepool Poker (MPP™)

Saturday 26th Jan! P1 £50, P2 £100, P3 £200!


MPP™ is a new tournament concept created by well known poker professional Roberto Romanello, where different bankrolls are combined to play in a single tournament with multiple prizepools enabling increased guarantees to be offered.


Every Thursday we hold a £25, £50, £100 event with £5,000 GTD. We are running a £30,000 Guaranteed MPP Special on Saturday 26th January!


Live MPP™ Tournament - £30,000 GTD

Saturday 26th January

5pm (LR 7pm)

Prizepool 1 Buy in: £50 + £8

Prizepool 2 Buy in: £100 + £12

Prizepool 3 Buy in: £200 + £20

Chips: 20,000

Clock: 30 Minute

Guarantee: £30,000

 

Are there any planned satellites to this? Would be interesting to see a sat structure for mpp I would be interested in sats that did like 1-3 get £200 seat 4-6 get 100 7-9 gets 50 etc and obviously if you won a 50 seat you could just pay the difference to get a 200 seat!!

like

Great Idea

Hi All

at the moment players can win multiple £115 incredible seats that we will allow to use for the MPP
We will certainly be running on line Sat's for the MPP needs more thought I'm sure we can come up with a scheme that works.

cheers for the feedback

Tonight Thurs 17 Jan

The second MPP tournament at DTD

Start Time 7 PM
10,000
30/20 min
£25 / £50 / £100 buy-in
£5,000 gtd

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/images/news/MPP-clearback.png)


Again feedback welcome after. Interesting to see the numbers tonight

As far as im aware its the 17th tonight Tighty :)

Gonna give it a spin tonight.

Wether too. Bad to travel on motorbike hoping to get there sat

119 runners last night

Only the £25 section result is up, as follows

1    Charlotte Worboys    £877.63
2    Algernon Buchanan    £511.70
3    Ian Taylor    £330.23
4    Graham Wilkinson    £246.93
5    Michael Skeldon    £184.45
6    Malcom Coleman    £151.73
7    Chris Gill    £127.93
8    Craig Storer    £104.13
9    Martin Walker    £80.33
10    Wayne Hopkin    £62.48
11    Ryan Omahony    £59.50
12    Ray Mackintosh    £59.50
13    Mervyn Steadman    £59.50
14    Daniel Challinor    £59.50
15    Daniel Bellamy    £59.50

Congrats to Charlotte.  Algernon won the 2nd prizepool so looks like Charlotte is a£25 player

where have you seen the 2nd and 3rd prizepools please?

on the site poker then tourney result. No 3rd yet

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/result-info.php?id=3328

is it 20k starting at 25-50 for the 26th ??? and the total buy in is what inc reg fee pls

Live MPP™ Tournament - £30,000 GTD

Saturday 26th January

5pm (LR 7pm)

Prizepool 1 Buy in: £50 + £8

Prizepool 2 Buy in: £100 + £12

Prizepool 3 Buy in: £200 + £20

Chips: 20,000

Clock: 30 Minute

Guarantee: £30,000


pretty sure starts 50/100

How is the guarantee going to be distributed between prize pools?

i believe quoted earlier it depends on the player distribution and any overlay will distributed evenly depending on how many players in each pool for ease of numbers say there is a 3k overlay and 50 in p3 100 in p2 and 150 in p1 then there will be an extra 500 in p3 1k in p2 and 1.5k in p3. I believe.

Surely it will be done by player value not number of players

That would seem to be the fairest way otherwise the value of you're pound in pp3 would be less than in either pp1 and 2

This Saturday then....

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Rollcall please...who will be in for this, and at which MPP Price point?

could someone from dtd clear this up for me please ??

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/news/30000-gtd-multi-prizepool-poker-%28mpp%99%29/2308

400BB starting stack?

Highly unlikely that this plays any structure other than the standard weekend format of 50/100 Level 1

the buy in has also been answered

Prizepool 1 Buy in: £50 + £8

Prizepool 2 Buy in: £100 + £12

Prizepool 3 Buy in: £200 + £20

hopeing to make this on thursday and sat for the pot 3 touniment

so is it 390 total ?? i dont really get it but would like to play lol

No you pay the buy in for the Prizepool you want to be in

So if you want to have a chance at 1st prize in the whole thing, then £220 is the buy in

Players not wishing to outlay that can buy in for £58 or £112 and win a part of the smaller prizepools

ok cheersb so if u want to be part of all 3 u just buy in at the top level ??/

Yes

Then play it as normal

thanks for clearing it up for me tighty needed to explain it to my backer and he didnt really understand lol

All P2 and P3 players are playing for additional pools eg a P3 players can win the overlay in all 3 pools.

20,000 chips starting at 50 100, with a £30,000 guaranteed prize pool will mean P1 should be £15,000 therefore the number of p1 £50 players will be a lot higher than a normal Super 50, it is very important that P2 and P3 players arrive in good time to register or you could end up as alternates once we reach capcity.


We had 272 players for this weekends Incredible £100, av spend £170 so with choices of £50 £100 and £200 buy in some will drop down, some up and i expect at least another 50 - 100 at P1 buy in so get here early if you can!!

Cheers

ACES

i thought i had read on here before you can register for live games via your online account...is this true and if so how????

i have looked and looked but can't see where i could do it.

Have a look through this

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/registration.php

Cheers - looking in the wrong place 😃

Yep just email me or Sophia in advance and we'll do it manually for you :)

Hi Guys

Sorry for the delay, but here are the results from our last MPP event with the total prizes per player and I've highlighted which buy in level they bought in to.

1   Charlotte Worboys   P1   £877.63
2   Algernon Buchanan   P2   £948.95
3   Ian Taylor   P1   £330.23
4   Graham Wilkinson   P2   £525.18
5   Michael Skeldon   P1   £184.45
6   Malcom Coleman   P3   £887.23
7   Chris Gill   P1   £127.93
8   Craig Storer   P2   £236.63
9   Martin Walker   P2   £173.08
10   Wayne Hopkin   P2   £141.98
11   Ryan Omahony   P2   £125.75
12   Ray Mackintosh   P3   £442.50
13   Mervyn Steadman   P1   £59.50
14   Daniel Challinor   P1   £59.50
15   Daniel Bellamy   P1   £59.50
20   Martin Hughes   P3   £220.00


Don't forget this Thursday we have the same again £25, £50, £100. Then on Saturday we have a massive £30,000 Guaranteed £50, £100, £200 MPP :)

Full details - http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/news/30000-gtd-multi-prizepool-poker-%28mpp%99%29/2308

Cheers Nicola

i'm in for saturday,

is it a freeze-out or re-entry pls?

congrats on the mantelpiece bling mr t, well desrved

Freezout J

what time dodooors open simon welldoneon your award well desivered

Doors open at 4.30pm for a 5pm start for the MPP :)

yes

Not had chance to play one of these yet and can't this weekend. I'm guessing they are going to be a regular feature now?

Tonight.....

MPP™

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/images/whatson/mpp-logo.png)

Start Time 7 PM
10,000
30/20 min
£25 / £50 / £100 buy-in
£5,000 gtd

Hi Guys

Also tonight we have a Bounty Beginner comp, so if you fancy bringing a mate/partner who would like to improve their game it's a £10 + £4.

Our bounty tonight is CPP Champion Wadey Ashraf and whoever knocks him out will win their buy in back so will be playing for free.

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/news/beginner-promo-knock-simon-%93aces%94-trumper-out--get-your-money-back/2303

Cheers Nicola

I'm trying to buy in online for this through the online shop but I just keep going round in circles. Is this option still available?

Here's the P1 result from last night, 96 runner MPP.

Will post the other buy in results when they go up

1    Tariq Mahmood    £764.03
2    Andrew Mounsey    £463.43
3    Callum Morgan    £308.12
4    David Nisbet    £225.45
5    Joe Ford    £167.84
6    Michael Wigram    £137.78
7    Stefan Cross    £112.73
8    Philip Dudley    £92.69
9    Paul Grummitt    £75.15
10    Anonymous    £57.62
11    Patricia Britteon    £50.10
12    Ray Mackintosh    £50.10

Simon has posted up the following about tomorrow

Please read if you are playing the £30k tomorrow

"Please make sure you get here early tomorrow if you are playing P2 or P3 as we expect to be very busy.

With 20,000 chips starting at 50 100, and a £30,000 guaranteed prize pool this will mean P1 should be approx £15,000 therefore the number of P1 £50 players will be a lot higher than a normal Super 50, it is very important that P2 and P3 players arrive in good time to register or you could end up as alternates once we reach capacity.

We had 272 players for last weekends Incredible £100, av spend £170 so with choices of £50 £100 and £200 buy in some will drop down, some up and i expect at least another 50 - 100 at P1 buy in so get here early if you can!!

Cheers

ACES"

I've been trying to buy in via the online shop, as I normally do, but it's not listed. Is there a reason for this? Would certainly help to beat the queues.

Hey

The online shop buy in isn't available for the MPP at the moment, it's not as straight forward as main events with 1 entry level.

Have you got the money in your online account? I can do it manually for you and enter you before you arrive.

Either PM me or email me your details and I will arrange for you :)

nicola@dusktilldawnpoker.com

Cheers Nicola

Hi Guys

Rollcall for tomorrow's MPP.....who's in and for what buy in?

Roberto Romanello's bringing his coach again so will be an interesting event!

If you'd like to skip the queues and register in advance drop me and email and I'll manually enter you (must have an online account) :)

Cheers Nicola

Hi Guys

The full results for last night's MPP are below with the buy in for each player to be paid out!

1   Tariq Mahmood   £764.03   P1
2   Andrew Mounsey   £1,332.86   P3
3   Callum Morgan   £590.15   P2
4   David Nisbet   £712.99   P3
5   Joe Ford   £302.14   P2
6   Michael Wigram   £137.78   P1
7   Stefan Cross   £112.73   P1
8   Philip Dudley   £92.69   P1
9   Paul Grummitt   £399.56   P3
10   Anonymous   £57.62   P1
11   Patricia Britteon   £130.68   P2
12   Ray Mackintosh   £232.45   P3
14   Peter Attridge   £53.72   P2
26   Joel Russell   £80.64   P3

Joel Russell finished in 26th and still received a payout from P3 :)

I will post the results from this weekend's £30,000 GTD event on Sunday morning.

Cheers Nicola

Live MPP™ Tournament - £30,000 GTD

Saturday 26th January

5pm (LR 7pm)

Prizepool 1 Buy in: £50 + £8

Prizepool 2 Buy in: £100 + £12

Prizepool 3 Buy in: £200 + £20

Chips: 20,000

Clock: 30 Minute

Guarantee: £30,000

(http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/images/promotions/297.jpg)


Please let us know how you get on!

If I can get there I'll be in for the £200

Hi Guys

We are again 100% keeping the £30,000 guarantee for today's MPP.

The main roads are clear and if last week is anything to go by we made £46,000 regardless of the snow!

Recommend you use M1 J25 for the best route in and set off in plenty of time.

Comp starts at 5pm and late reg is available til 7pm.

Like Simon says we will have a lot of local £50 players so if you are travelling try and be on time to grab a seat from the start :)

Cheers Nicola

Im in,

Nicola what is the latest time to buy in via yourself? im just nipping out now but will probably sort it about 3 oclock is that ok?

3 or 4 of us are gonna get the snow plough out and have a go. Is this the first mpp not on a Thursday night?

will venture down for the cash, them Welsh boys love to see flops.

what time does the club open today pse?

4.30pm

Thx

Thanks for the offer of help, I'll just buy in when i get there.

I'll be in for the 220 :)

Have emailed you re entry into P3. Thanks :)

Hi Guys

Yes it's the first time we have held an MPP on a Saturday....so anything could happen lol!

If you wish to jump the queue and buy in via your online account funds PM me or email me nicola@dusktilldawnpoker.com and il sort for you :)

Need a bit of notice so let me know before 4.30pm :)

Cheers Nicola

In the queue waiting for p1 pauper entry

3 minutes to go (damn the weather)

And I really need a shit!

For you today, teamonkey, MPP stands for Mid-Poker Poo.

Well there appears to be a late start so I managed to empty myself in time



However due to the over zealous flush sensors I've had avfree service wash too, the wife will be pleased

Queue report?

:D

Loving these updates. Maybe something Tighty can introduce into the deepstack updates...

That was the queue for the registration desk, not the queue for the gents, obviously.

About 30 in the queue but folks are still walking in


Some funny accents in today, something to do with a big white bus outside......

No queues 200 in so far started 20 mins late first time I have ever seen a dtd comp start late! Must be a nightmare with entering people shame they have not got the online but in sorted by thanks to Nicola I didn't have to queue!!!

Looks like this got great numbers.

well Played DTD

Hope i'm reading the site right regarding entries

Regards

M
 

Any payout details?

When you take the weather into consideration getting 248 players for a new concept is pretty healthy :)

Here are some figures ....

Out of a total 248 players only 88 were direct £50 buy in P1 players, they contributed just £4400 into the £12,400 prize pool they ended up playing for with a first prize of £3157.

There were a total of 160 P2 players made up of 69 direct £100 P2 entries and 91 £200 P3 players, they created a, £8000 prize pool with a first place of £2265 so a P2 outright winner could scoop this + the P1 £3157 for a total of £5422.

The 91 P3 players had an additiional £9100 to play for with their first prize of £2808 and a potential total of £8230 for an outright win.

I was amazed that even though i predicted a £12,000 - £15,000 prize pool for the £50 P1 entry only 88 entered at that level!!

Overall we are very happy with the turnout for our first increased buy in MPP and the next scheduled £50 £100 £200 buy in is February 16th.

I had a couple of questions today, here is the most common one ....

If you buy in to P3 do you pay £200 or £350 ( total of P1 / P2 / P3 ) ?

You are all playing just one tournament which is a £50 buy in P1 with the option to play for an additional £50 and £100 prize pool dependant on your individual bankroll, if you therefore wish to enter P2 you pay £100 which is £50 into P1 and £50 into P2, as a P3 player you would also contribute an additional £100 to the P3 prize pool for a total outlay of £200 + reg fee.

If there is anything you are unsure of re MPP and haven't found the answer on this thread please post a question and i will check and answer each day.

Cheers

ACES

Wp Mickey the Worm and Craig Bettsy and Matt Russell.

Did he manage to cash?

Min cashed all 3 prize pools I think. Might have scraped a bit more in pools 1 and 2.

Total of £475 for a £220 buy in.

Interesting comp especially around the P2 and P3 bubbles.

Well done not bubbling 

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Mickey :)

The full result was as follows

P1

1    Michael Wernick    £3,157.90
2    Richard Harris    £1,824.81
3    Chris Cancelliere    £1,092.70
4    Shokat Ali    £764.89
5    Anonymous    £600.99
6    Craig Betteridge    £491.72
7    Morteza Assadi    £437.08
8    Mindaugas Bacevicius    £349.66
9    Imran Mckenzie    £295.03
10    Eirimas Livonas    £229.47
11    Kayleigh Bate    £218.54
12    Ray Mackintosh    £218.54
13    Emily Lauberts    £218.54
14    Frank Flanagan    £207.61
15    Dominic Smith    £207.61
16    Ross Scattergood    £207.61
17    Harprit Singh Gurnam    £207.61
18    Anthony Graham    £196.69
19    John Engledow    £125.00
20    Jonathan Kittridge    £125.00
21    Vikram Digpal    £125.00
22    Simas Dargis    £125.00
23    Matt Russell    £125.00
24    Anthony Arlott    £125.00
25    Mal Linton    £100.00
26    Michael Anthony Snowden    £100.00
27    Neil Mcilroy    £100.00
28    Tabassam Nadeem    £100.00
29    Rachael Brocklebank    £100.00
30    Adrian Reynolds    £100.00
31    Paul Burrell    £100.00
32    Kurt Lee    £100.00
33    Kyriacos Dionysiou    £100.00

P2

1    Michael Wernick    £2,265.47
2    Richard Harris    £1,309.11
3    Chris Cancelliere    £783.90
4    Shokat Ali    £548.73
5    Anonymous    £431.15
6    Craig Betteridge    £352.76
7    Morteza Assadi    £313.56
8    Mindaugas Bacevicius    £250.85
9    Imran Mckenzie    £211.65
10    Eirimas Livonas    £164.62
11    Ray Mackintosh    £156.78
12    Frank Flanagan    £156.78
13    Dominic Smith    £156.78
14    Ross Scattergood    £148.94
15    Harprit Singh Gurnam    £148.94
16    John Engledow    £148.94
17    Matt Russell    £148.94
18    Anthony Arlott    £141.10
19    Mal Linton    £100.00
20    Tabassam Nadeem    £100.00
21    Rachael Brocklebank    £100.00

P3

1    Michael Wernick    £2,831.62
2    Richard Harris    £1,717.54
3    Chris Cancelliere    £1,141.93
4    Shokat Ali    £835.56
5    Anonymous    £622.03
6    Imran Mckenzie    £510.62
7    Ray Mackintosh    £417.78
8    Frank Flanagan    £343.51
9    Dominic Smith    £278.52
10    Harprit Singh Gurnam    £213.53
11    John Engledow    £185.68
12    Matt Russell    £185.68


248 runners

P1 £12577 (248)
P2 £8139 (160)
P3 £9284 (91)

I have only just seen this thread but have to say this looks like a brilliant idea.

vwp

Blimey, congrats to Lord Wernick.

He must be at least 67 or 68 years old.

Few weeks OAP there.

Top 5 all being P3 doesn't bode well for the comp.

I have a feeling some of the P1 players despite getting a bigger prize pool might start to get a bit intimidated and look to other comps with weaker fields.

Hope I'm wrong but it needs a P1 overall winner in the first few outings to keep them interested in my opinion.

Just not sure about that Matt having played yesterday. They are all heroes, they just want to "outplay" people with P3 tickets and im pretty sure the majority wont even look at results.

I played this yesterday but feel a bit meh about it. Can't explain it fully but feel underwhelmed by the experience. I'd rather play the Iancredible 100 all day long.

I expect the P1 players on ft are wondering what all this 3 bet shoving is all about.

Pretty quick learning curve for £50. It's a great idea I think and can only be good for the game.

Hi Guys

Here are the results from the £30,000 GTD MPP held on Saturday.

I have added their winnings from each prize pool and included which level they were playing.

1   Michael Wernick   £8,230.47   P3
2   Richard Harris   £4,850.65   P3
3   Chris Cancelliere   £3,017.83   P3
4   Shokat Ali   £2,149.18   P3
5   Anonymous   £1,654.17   P3
6   Craig Betteridge   £844.48   P2
7   Morteza Assadi   £750.64   P2
8   Mindaugas Bacevicius   £600.51   P2
9   Imran Mckenzie   £1,017.30   P3
10   Eirimas Livonas   £394.09   P2
11   Kayleigh Bate   £218.54   P1
12   Ray Mackintosh   £793.10   P3
13   Emily Lauberts   £218.54   P1
14   Frank Flanagan   £707.90   P3
15   Dominic Smith   £642.91   P3
16   Ross Scattergood   £356.55   P2
17   Harprit Singh Gurnam   £570.08   P3
18   Anthony Graham   £196.69   P1
19   John Engledow   £473.94   P3
20   Jonathan Kittridge   £125.00   P1
21   Vikram Digpal   £125.00   P1
22   Simas Dargis   £125.00   P1
23   Matt Russell   £473.94   P3
24   Anthony Arlott   £266.10   P3
25   Mal Linton   £204.00   P2
26   Michael Anthony Snowden   £100.00   P1
27   Neil Mcilroy   £100.00   P1
28   Tabassam Nadeem   £204.00   P2
29   Rachael Brocklebank   £204.00   P2
30   Adrian Reynolds   £100.00   P3
31   Paul Burrell   £100.00   P1
32   Kurt Lee   £100.00   P2
33   Kyriacos Dionysiou   £100.00   P3

Details of the next Saturday MPP will be announced soon :)

Cheers Nicola

Hi Guys

Full review of this weekend's £30,000 MPP :)

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/blog.php?profile=7&id=394

Cheers Nicola

I'm with Matt here. Just added some numbers and I make it:

The 88 £50 players contributed £4,400 to P1.

Between them 9 of them cashed and only won a total of £1208.77 with the highest amount won being £218.54.

So that's essentially £3000 taken out of the £50 player economy.

Now this is only one comp and it may well be next time the final table is made up half of P1 players and they're playing for boosted prizes due to the P2/P3 player contributions.

But ideally you'd want the £50 players doing well soon or they may well decide they're better off playing a Super 50.

The next weekend MPP has been set as follows

Live MPP™ Tournament - £30,000 GTD

Saturday 16th February

5pm (LR 7pm)

Prizepool 1 Buy in: £50 + £8

Prizepool 2 Buy in: £100 + £12

Prizepool 3 Buy in: £200 + £20

Chips: 20,000

Clock: 30 Minute

Guarantee: £30,000

me the same wont be playing the mpp again i belive everybodyshould be equal with chips money at start.ow well theres plenty others for me deepstacks and incredable £100

Personally I disagree with the above.

The fact that not many P1 disnt cash is irrelevant, everyone started with the same chips, we all played with the same cards,levels etc etc.

I played P1 as I dont have deep pockets, but at no point did I feel that I was up against anyone with an unfair advantage because they could afford a bigger buy in, in any mtt you will be against people who can afford more, and in this format you get to play the same mtt, regardles of your initial outlay.

If the next one has a large number of P1 players cash then a lotof the above ccomments wouldnt have been posted, so I'm with DTD who I guess are going to keep running this untill its either a regular mtt, or it peters out and becomes unsustainable.

Apart from that, there are plenty of other mtts on offer, both here and, dare I say it, ,elsewhere

Next MPP event at the club tonight

MPP™ 7:00pm

£25 / £50 / £100 Buy-In

£5,000 Guaranteed

Late reg until 8pm

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/images/whatson/mpp-logo.png)

Last night's MPP had 105 runners

P1 (105)

1    Louis Timmins    £914.17
2    Aidan Ellis    £541.73
3    Chris Dudley    £353.97
4    Ian Roberts    £264.71
5    Ian Pears    £200.07
6    Mark Mccluskey    £166.21
7    Philip Dudley    £135.43
8    Sebastian Perez    £107.73
9    Joe Smith    £83.11
10    Anonymous    £64.64
11    Amjad Mohammed    £61.56
12    Rehman Kassam    £61.56
13    Stefan Cross    £61.56
14    Algernon Buchanan    £61.56

p2 (47)

1    Louis Timmins    £454.74
2    Ian Roberts    £289.38
3    Mark Mccluskey    £192.92
4    Joe Smith    £137.80
5    Amjad Mohammed    £96.46
6    Stefan Cross    £82.68
7    Algernon Buchanan    £68.90
8    Daniel Wright    £55.12

p3 (10)

1    Ian Roberts    £380.80
2    Mark Mccluskey    £163.20

Hi Guys

Here are results from last night's MPP with accumulative total winnings :)

                    P1    P2   P3   Total   
1   Louis Timmins          £914.00   £454.00   n/a   £1,368.00   P2
2   Aidan Ellis                £541.00   n/a   n/a   £541.00   P1
3   Chris Dudley             £353.00   n/a   n/a   £353.00   P1
4   Ian Roberts              £264.00   £289.00   £380.00   £933.00   P3
5   Ian Pears                 £200.00   n/a   n/a   £200.00   P1
6   Mark Mccluskey         £166.00   £192.00   £164.00   £522.00   P3
7   Philip Dudley             £135.00   n/a   n/a   £135.00   P1
8   Sebastian Perez         £110.00   n/a   n/a   £110.00   P1
9   Joe Smith                 £85.00   £137.00   n/a   £222.00   P3
10   Anonymous               £65.00   n/a   n/a   £65.00   P1
11   Amjad Mohammed      £62.00   £96.00   n/a   £158.00   P2
12   Rehman Kassam         £61.00   n/a   n/a   £61.00   P1
13   Stefan Cross              £61.00   £85.00   n/a   £146.00   P2
14   Algernon Buchanan    £61.00   £70.00   n/a   £131.00   P2
15   Daniel Wright             n/a   £55.00   n/a   £55.00   P2

The Next MPP tournament is tonight, Start Time 7 PM

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/images/whatson/mpp-logo.png)

10,000
30/20 min
£25 / £50 / £100 buy-in
£5,000 gtd

Hi Guys

Last night's MPP results are:-
 
                                        P1         P2             P3             Total   
1   Anthony Clay              £864.00   £414.00   £472.00   £1,750.00   P3
2   Loudon Gee                 £524.00   £305.00   n/a   £829.00   P2
3   Thomas Walsh              £348.00   £219.00   £283.00   £850.00   P3
4   Matthew Gale               £255.00   £122.00   £189.00   £566.00   P3
5   George Plarkou             £190.00          n/a          n/a        £190.00   P1
6   Mark Arkley                   £155.00         n/a          n/a           £155.00   P1
7   Joseph Cockburn          £129.00   £85.00           n/a        £214.00   P2
8   Richard Massey            £105.00   £75.00     n/a             £180.00   P3
9   Angus Campbell-brown £85.00      n/a     n/a          £85.00   P1
10   James Bott                   £65.00      n/a     n/a          £65.00   P3
11   Gary Bing                   £58.00        n/a     n/a          £58.00   P1
12   Dave Gooch                 £58.00        n/a     n/a          £58.00   P1

Cheers Nicola

For next weekend...

Multi Prizepool Poker £30,000 Guaranteed

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/images/news/MPP-clearback.png)

Saturday 16th February £50, £100, £200 entry levels with £30,000 GTD

5pm (LR 7pm)

Prizepool 1 Buy in: £50 + £8

Prizepool 2 Buy in: £100 + £12

Prizepool 3 Buy in: £200 + £20

Chips: 20,000

Clock: 30 Minute

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/news/multi-prizepool-poker-30000-guaranteed/2312

Hi Guys

If you win a seat for the Incredible 100 we are allowing you to use it for P2 of this weekend's MPP as there isn't an Incredible 100 this week.

If you are thinking of playing the £30,000 MPP anyway then why not try winning your seat - €4 rebuy every night at 8.30pm :)

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/news/online-incredible-100-satellites/2293

Cheers Nicola

Hi All

Dont forget next £30,000 guaranteed is this Saturday 16th

Last time the £50 P1 players had nearly £13,000 to play for, the £100 P2 players were had an additional £8000 and the £200 P3 players were playing for the whole £30,000.


http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/events/mpp-special
.
Cheers

ACES

Tonight

MPP™ Start Time 7 PM

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10,000
30/20 min
£25 / £50 / £100 buy-in
£5,000 gtd


and of course don't forget the £30,000 GTD MPP this weekend


http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/events/mpp-special

scratch that change of schedule:


Change of schedule tonight as it's Valentines Day (apparently Wink)

7pm we have an XXL £25 (1 reload) with £2,000 Guaranteed!

7pm we also have a £10 beginner comp, our bounty for Tonight is DTD regular Sean Belton, if you knock him out you will win your buy in back.


MPP at the weekend!

Hi All


MPP this Saturday guaranteed again at £30,000, last time there was £12,500 just in the £50 P1 prize pool !!!! and £17,500 in P2 and P3 Seriously good value regardless of bankroll and choice of prize pools you wish to enter.

Remember everyone is playing one comp P1, hence the huge collective prize pool for a £50 entry, P2 and P3 players have chose the option to play for more money via their additional prize pools which allows for multiple bankrolls, skill sets and friends to play the same comp when normally they would play 2 different ones, a big benefit for them is they are always on a break at the same time so can catch up then, this makes for a great atmosphere and a different buzz to a normal Freezeout as tactics come into play as the P3 and P2 bubbles approach, come down and try it, even at £50 your return will be approx £3000!!

Mickey Wernick entered as a P3 player, won the event so scooped all 3 first places last month for £8000+

It's different, it's fun and with your support it will enable us to try bigger entry levels and much bigger guarantees.

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingh...vents/mpp-special

I will be at the club from opening at 4pm so any questions come and see me.

Cheers

ACES

Will the Romanello contingent be making an appearance this weekend?

Should be down for this all being well. Dont really know what the best value level is to buy in at and cant be arsed to think about it so probs just buy in for max... The fact i am buying in at the max will make it value anyway.

Yes Roberto will be there with a small Welsh army :)

:D

Always good fun at the cash games.  Will be there for that!

At 5pm live at the club it's our £30,000 guaranteed Multi Prizepool Poker.

If you haven't tried the MPP yet it's a great comp with added dynamics, as you play 1 tournament with 3 different prizepools available

Simon Aces Trumper explains more, copied below, if you have any questions he will be glad to answer them

P1 Buy in: £50 + £8
P2 Buy in: £100 + £12
P3 Buy in: £200 + £20

Guarantee: £30,000!

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/news/multi-prizepool-poker-30000-guaranteed/2312


"MPP this Saturday guaranteed again at £30,000, last time there was £12,500 just in the £50 P1 prize pool !!!! and £17,500 in P2 and P3 Seriously good value regardless of bankroll and choice of prize pools you wish to enter.
Remember everyone is playing one comp P1, hence the huge collective prize pool for a £50 entry, P2 and P3 players have chose the option to play for more money via their additional prize pools which allows for multiple bankrolls, skill sets and friends to play the same comp when normally they would play 2 different ones, a big benefit for them is they are always on a break at the same time so can catch up then, this makes for a great atmosphere and a different buzz to a normal Freezeout as tactics come into play as the P3 and P2 bubbles approach, come down and try it, even at £50 your return will be approx £3000!!
Mickey Wernick entered as a P3 player, won the event so scooped all 3 first places last month for £8000+
It's different, it's fun and with your support it will enable us to try bigger entry levels and much bigger guarantees.
I will be at the club from opening at 4pm so any questions come and see me."

I did not like this last time out but am willing to give it another go today.

Me too and won't be giving it another go I believe with tournament play every body should be equal at start with chips and BYE INN

Not having a go at dtd because they run so many great touniments just this one not for me and I know of few others that say same

Roll on next sat increadable £100

203 runners for the MPP yesterday

Nicola will put up the combined result later, as dtdpoker.com doesn't aggregate them

Hi Guys

Here are the results from Saturday's £30,000 MPP - http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/blog.php?profile=7&id=403

Cheers Nicola

Whats happenwd to the mpp tournaments?


I appreciate many people didn't quite get how they worked, but I personally liked that I could get to play vs others with deeper pockets than me on a level playing field.


My only slight issue was that if all were in the same tournament not everyone paid the same juice, but as a bottom tier player I wasnt affected.


Can someone point me in the direction of the cancelled/back burner notice.

Mick

Hi Mick

It's defo on the back burner the main issue is the P1 player pool hasn't grasped the concept causing overlays other 2 tiers were well attended.
We do plan to bring it back but it's going to have to be £100 £200 £300 to work.

Will let you know once we can agree it.

Will this definitely be running at the weekend as per the DTD diary?

yes, details on this link

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/events/multi-prize-pool-poker/23046

Its the Monte Carlo side event

Can you buy in online for this? (Hopefully I will still be in MC but one has to be realistic!)

Feel like the middle buy-in will be the smallest field on this particular weekend. Has that happened before?

Hi Guys

Just a reminder that we have a special £50,000 MPP on Saturday 20th April as a side event to the Monte Carlo!

Buy in for £100 / £200 / £300 and play for 1 or 3 prizepools!

Full details - http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/events/multi-prize-pool-poker

Cheers Nicola

Tonight at 5pm

£50,000 MPP Tournament

£100 / £200 / £300 Buy-In

20,000 chips

30m clock

Late registration until 7pm

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Well I had it all planed, told the wife I am going to have a go at the MPP on Saturday night, I had even convinced myself that with the inability to sat in to it the £100 entry would be fully justified should i run deep - what I never even considered was that I would wake up today with sun shining through the window. Then of course the wife comes out with what to most husbands is pure amber nectar

"Do you fancy walking in to town, you can have a pint with the paper in spoonies while I look round the shops if you like"

I tried to look disinterested while inside was like

 ;cupcake; :cheers: ;karabiner;

So I said "ok then, if its what you want"

Now four pints in there is no way I am driving so I apologize for not bumping the prize pool up another £100 - the pub won.

The MPP currently has 22 players

£50,000 GTD starting at 5pm

Needs 250 players at £200 spend to hit the GTE

Extremely unlikely, Simon says looking like a £25,000 overlay min which will be spread across the £100/£200/£300 buy in pools

Late reg til 7pm, if you are close enough....

What's structure?? Does it finish today?

20k starting

30m clock

One day comp

Are pyjamas allowed? If yes then we are on our way!

suspect you could play in whatever you liked today

Pleno turned up to play in his pyjamas

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currently a £15000 overlay, late reg til 7pm

This MPP wasnt even listed on their own site???

Yes it was

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/

its still there now

 :)up I was looking on the tournaments/Results section and its not listed on there. Wud of prob come up for this had i seen it.  ;noflopshomer;

Anyone have yesterday's results/winners/payouts?

is this torney structure open to abuse???? 

if for example a group of players enter at £100 level and a mate at £300. they both get to final table. whats to stop the £100 player donking chips off to the £300 player??
just an observation??

This discussion has been had at some length, the upshot being that those found cheating in DTD would be issued a life ban I believe.

Were the results from the last MPP ever published?

P1 191 RUNNERS

1    Darren Maxwell    £5,886.35
2    Zahir Aslam    £3,401.46
3    Ian Gwynne    £2,036.80
4    David Gentry    £1,425.76
5    Seun Oluwole    £1,120.24
6    Enzo Gomez    £916.56
7    Sinem Melin    £814.72
8    Michael Jones    £651.78
9    David Mitchell    £549.94
10    John Shaw    £427.73
11    Long Sui    £407.36
12    Matt Harris    £407.36
13    Mohammed Hussain    £407.36
14    Anonymous    £386.99
15    Dan Schofield    £386.99
16    Rahim Walji    £386.99
17    Danny Toffel    £386.99
18    Carlos Citara    £366.62
19    Karl Grogan    £212.00
20    Lee Davy    £200.00
21    Daniel Brown    £200.00
22    Michael Ray    £200.00
23    David Burghardt    £200.00
24    Tim Blake    £200.00

P2  136 RUNNERS

1    Darren Maxwell    £4,465.69
2    Zahir Aslam    £2,593.47
3    Ian Gwynne    £1,549.95
4    David Gentry    £1,150.95
5    Seun Oluwole    £874.72
6    Enzo Gomez    £705.92
7    Sinem Melin    £629.19
8    Michael Jones    £506.42
9    David Mitchell    £414.34
10    John Shaw    £322.27
11    Long Sui    £306.92
12    Mohammed Hussain    £306.92
13    Dan Schofield    £306.92
14    Danny Toffel    £306.92
15    Karl Grogan    £306.92
16    Lee Davy    £306.92
17    Daniel Brown    £303.00


P3 116 RUNNERS

1    Zahir Aslam    £3,860.37
2    Ian Gwynne    £2,250.79
3    Seun Oluwole    £1,452.55
4    Enzo Gomez    £1,086.14
5    Sinem Melin    £811.33
6    Michael Jones    £667.39
7    David Mitchell    £562.70
8    John Shaw    £458.01
9    Long Sui    £353.32
10    Mohammed Hussain    £274.81
11    Dan Schofield    £269.00
12    Danny Toffel    £261.72
13    Karl Grogan    £261.72
14    Lee Davy    £261.72
15    Daniel Brown    £261.72

Ty Tighty