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Title: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 05, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Well, I think blonde needs a cycling thread, even if it's only me that is interested  :)

Cycling should have more mainstream media coverage than ever this year. Wiggins & Cavendish are two of the highest profile riders in the platoon, both British & outspoken!

Looking forward to Wiggins tormenting the European media! On & off the bike.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxWPdnjk3I8

Get involved, tips, betting, questions, feedback.

I’ll post thoughts & tips on betting, it should help to keep it all on one thread.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on January 05, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
I am interested, more of a part time grand tour fan than anything.

That interview is hilarious.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 05, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
I am interested, more of a part time grand tour fan than anything.

That interview is hilarious.

good man Longy.

The Grand Tours will be incredible this year. Looking forward to see how Sky go about winning the Giro & the TDF.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 06, 2013, 11:13:02 AM
Milan-Sanremo. March 17th.

The first of the five monuments (oldest). Generally known as the sprinters classic. Who can push the biggest gear the hardest & fastest?

(http://www.milansanremo.co.uk/2011/2011_MSR_Map.jpg)

(http://www.milansanremo.co.uk/2011/2011_MSR_Profile.jpg)

The race is generally decided on the final sections of the Cipressa & the Poggio.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQQswzDp4HU

Cavendish (OPQS) winner in 2009, starts as favourite (11/4). This will be his first big race with his new team, so will be motivated. Although recent years he has not had the early season form to compete in the final, suspect this year will be similar.


Fabian Cancellara (RadioShack). Winner in 2008, & 2nd in 2011 & 2012. One of the top classics riders of his generation, a consistent & strong performer. In a recent interview has stated that this season will be all about the classics, & not his normal training for the Time Trials in the big stage races. Currently available at 11/1. I would have expected him to be in the region of 6/1.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/milan-san-remo/winner

Incidentally the form guide for this race is generally to be found at Tirreno-Adriatico, held the week before.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TheChipPrince on January 07, 2013, 09:53:43 AM
Fan too, but so much more to learn, looking forward to your posts Tonji.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 07, 2013, 12:51:14 PM
Fan too, but so much more to learn, looking forward to your posts Tonji.

Hope this season will be as good as I expect. As a fan for over 20 years, each seasons seems to throw up drama of some sort or another!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 07, 2013, 12:53:25 PM
Before the 2013 season kicks off with the Tour de San Luis in Argentina on Jan 21st & the Santos Tour Down Under on the 22nd.

How about some profiles of some of the riders, some famous, others less so.

Jens Voigt (RadioShack). Now the oldest rider in the peloton at 41. A rouleur (all-rounder), his career has been pretty much as a domestique, but his attacking style & commitment make him a fans favourite. A family man with loads of kids, worth a follow on twitter @thejensie for his eccentric tweets.

Some clips from you tube

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02tRJPE-YZI

As tough as they come

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfiBbZJTx9s


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Nakor on January 07, 2013, 07:47:21 PM
Opinion on Cavs new teams depth? Has he got a ride out man that can put him in position?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 07, 2013, 08:59:28 PM
Opinion on Cavs new teams depth? Has he got a ride out man that can put him in position?

Been pondering that Nakor, as some talented sprinters in Greipel & Degenkolb are expected to give him a tough year.

The move to Omega Pharma-Quick Step is in many ways a perfect fit for Cavendish. He's teaming up with some of the riders & coaches from his days at HTC Highroad. He'll also be riding his preferred “Specialised” bikes.

First race of the season for him will be the Tour de San Luis in Argentina. Come the Tour I'm sure the lead out train will be firing on all cylinders as the first stage in Corsica is expected to be a sprint finish & Cavendish has never worn the yellow jersey.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: edgascoigne on January 08, 2013, 12:09:47 PM
Looking forward to this thread immensely.

Tonji - have you ever read "Golden Stages of the Tour de France" or any of the work of the late Antoine Blondin?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 08, 2013, 12:53:01 PM
Looking forward to this thread immensely.

Tonji - have you ever read "Golden Stages of the Tour de France" or any of the work of the late Antoine Blondin?

Hi Ed,

Never read it, do you recommend it?



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: edgascoigne on January 08, 2013, 12:57:33 PM
Looking forward to this thread immensely.

Tonji - have you ever read "Golden Stages of the Tour de France" or any of the work of the late Antoine Blondin?

Hi Ed,

Never read it, do you recommend it?

For someone as keen on cycling as yourself? Yes.

Antoine Blondin used to write in L'Equipe - incredibly evocative pieces about the Tour. Not sure how your French is but there's a collection of his articles/work that goes under the name "Sur le Tour de France" that is an amazing read for a Tour fan.

http://www.amazon.fr/Sur-Tour-France-Antoine-Blondin/dp/2710307375/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1357649331&sr=8-4


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on January 08, 2013, 01:00:26 PM
Opinion on Cavs new teams depth? Has he got a ride out man that can put him in position?

Been pondering that Nakor, as some talented sprinters in Greipel & Degenkolb are expected to give him a tough year.

The move to Omega Pharma-Quick Step is in many ways a perfect fit for Cavendish. He's teaming up with some of the riders & coaches from his days at HTC Highroad. He'll also be riding his preferred “Specialised” bikes.First race of the season for him will be the Tour de San Luis in Argentina. Come the Tour I'm sure the lead out train will be firing on all cylinders as the first stage in Corsica is expected to be a sprint finish & Cavendish has never worn the yellow jersey.


Remind me what his "Specialised Bikes" are, please?

This thread should be a good read as the season develops, thanks.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 08, 2013, 01:28:11 PM
Looking forward to this thread immensely.

Tonji - have you ever read "Golden Stages of the Tour de France" or any of the work of the late Antoine Blondin?

Hi Ed,

Never read it, do you recommend it?

For someone as keen on cycling as yourself? Yes.

Antoine Blondin used to write in L'Equipe - incredibly evocative pieces about the Tour. Not sure how your French is but there's a collection of his articles/work that goes under the name "Sur le Tour de France" that is an amazing read for a Tour fan.

http://www.amazon.fr/Sur-Tour-France-Antoine-Blondin/dp/2710307375/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1357649331&sr=8-4

Thanks Ed, will look out for that, although my french is rusty.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 08, 2013, 01:34:16 PM
Opinion on Cavs new teams depth? Has he got a ride out man that can put him in position?

Been pondering that Nakor, as some talented sprinters in Greipel & Degenkolb are expected to give him a tough year.

The move to Omega Pharma-Quick Step is in many ways a perfect fit for Cavendish. He's teaming up with some of the riders & coaches from his days at HTC Highroad. He'll also be riding his preferred “Specialised” bikes.First race of the season for him will be the Tour de San Luis in Argentina. Come the Tour I'm sure the lead out train will be firing on all cylinders as the first stage in Corsica is expected to be a sprint finish & Cavendish has never worn the yellow jersey.


Remind me what his "Specialised Bikes" are, please?

This thread should be a good read as the season develops, thanks.

Hi tikay,

"Specialised" is just the brand name. Each team have a bike sponsor & riders will ride the team bikes. Cavendish has always had a preference for Specialised.

(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/01/omega-pharma-bike.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on January 08, 2013, 01:40:17 PM

Wow. Beats the "Raleigh Dawes" I used to have. Had Campag gears though, they were the nuts then.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 08, 2013, 02:33:18 PM
(http://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/joaquim-rodriguez-wins-vuelta-a-espana-2012-stage-14.jpg)

Joaquin ’Purito’ Rodriguez was the No.1 rider in 2012. His Russian team Katusha were refused a WorldTour licence to race in 2013 (a long & mysterious story, probably involving team financial irregularities & UCI politics).

It's possible that the top rated rider will be unable to compete in the 2013 Grand Tours. Rumours of a move to BMC or Argos-Shimano would mean he could race. However, the uncertainty & disruption to winter training will be telling. Big shame as I had him down as being one of a few riders who would be able to compete with Contador & Froome in the TDF.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 09, 2013, 12:45:22 PM
Armstrong to appear on Oprah.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/09/lance-armstrong-oprah-winfrey-interview

Doubt if we will see a full a frank confession.

I'd prefer to see him in court under oath, & admit US Cycling and the UCI protected him.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 10, 2013, 05:43:32 PM
Australian National Championship Mens Road Race. Sunday 13th January.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgJxQgHBJRRfBKuFN5Kzs4lxZ2jfdtCUAlpFKcvQru4lGy-SnGar4u7w5x)

Simon Gerrans is favourite. Based on being last years winner & he rides for Orica Green Edge, the strong Aussie team.

Eleven of the 15 Australians on Green Edge are entered in the 195.6-kilometre road race. Gerrans, Simon Clarke and Matthew Goss are considered the men most likely to have the condition to win it.

Quote from Gerrans in Aussie media:

''Of course we're going to race together. I think there's going to be five Garmin guys there, there's going to be three Sky guys, a couple of SaxoBank guys and, of course, there's a lot of GreenEDGE guys, and all the GreenEDGE guys want a GreenEDGE rider to be Australian champion. They'd be fools to think we're going to race against each other. The trade teams all work together in the national champions.''

Cameron Meyer also a GreenEdge rider won the Elite men's criterium on Thursday, so can be discounted now, as his job will be to ride for others now, I think.

Goss has been winter training in Europe. A late arrival Down Under has not been the best preparation & a DNF in the recent Jayco Herald Sun Tour showed he’s not up to speed yet.

Recent form from a week ago at the Jayco showed Simon Clarke to be in better shape than Gerrans. We missed some glorious value, his initial price was 25/1. Some Aussie shrewdies have shredded that & is now 8/1. Still worth a small interest, I think. £5.00 on Clarke.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/uci-world-tour/australian-national-championship-mens-road-race/winner

If a rider outside the GreenEdge team where to be in with a shout, my pick would be Rohan Dennis. A Garmin-Sharp rider, 2nd in National TT a few days ago, with a stellar U23 career. Can climb a bit, won the Mountains classification in last year Tour Down Under. May be a year or so too early for him but I’ve had another £5.00 on him at 16/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 11, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Milan-San Remo for me would have to be Cav if it comes to a sprint obviously.

I pretty much right off Cancellera...

Sagan is obv a threat and better all rounder than Cav, but I like riders that can get away on the climb and stay away. I'd plump for Gilbert or Boasson Hagen as I like longer odds :-)

Hi JJ,

thanks for your thoughts.

I'm going to be opposing Cav, early season, at least until his new team OPQS, seem to be up to speed. My thinking is Cavendish will be riding stage races, including his main objective the TDF, for stage wins. Whilst Tom Boonen will be the teams main Classic rider this season. We'll see how it pans out & for sure they will be one of the strong teams.

Why are you off Cancellara?

Peter Sagan, agree. Probably the most talented allrounder in the peloton. Probably will be a classics winner this year, just think he may be more suited to Tour of Flanders of Amstel Gold Race. Certainly will be winning stage races. Won a load in 2012, will be more heavily marked this year. Exciting rider, looking forward to see how he performs.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/milan-san-remo/winner

Gilbert & Edvald, shorter priced than Cancellara.

Interesting, Gilbert will be motivated wear the Rainbow jersey. Boassen Hagen is leading the Sky Classics squad. He's certainly due a Classics win & Sky have specifically trained this winter with that as an objective.

Competitive year  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 11, 2013, 01:11:13 PM
Thomas Voeckler? what an odd ball he is!

Don't think he rides in Milan-Sanremo. Normally in the Ardennes classics.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 11, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
Strange one.

L’Equipe reports the Giro d’Italia will kick off in Belfast in 2014.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 12, 2013, 12:04:59 PM
Vuelta 2013 route announced today.

Expected to be lots of up hill stuff, with 11 summit finishes.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 12, 2013, 03:18:06 PM
Vuelta 2013 route announced today.

Expected to be lots of up hill stuff, with 11 summit finishes.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz2ICbFWKZM


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 13, 2013, 12:45:13 PM
The bets in the Aussie Nationals came to nought.

Next.

The Tour Down Under, starting on the 20th. :)

 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 13, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
Meanwhile, a bit of a legend in Italy, Giuliano Calore descends the Stelvio with no hands!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV4MJok1_2o


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 14, 2013, 12:01:06 PM
One to watch in 2013.

(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/01/20/2143790/Michael%20Matthews-420x0.jpg)

Michael Matthews has made a timely switch from Rabbobank to Orica Green Edge. His performance in the Aussie Nationals, 2nd in the Road Race & a 3rd in the TT, shows he has stepped up a level. He's not made the team for the Tour Down Under, but will be a good bet in future stage races at World Tour level.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 15, 2013, 10:14:46 AM
Armstrong Admits Doping, and Says He Will Testify

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-admits-doping-and-says-he-will-testify-against-cycling-officials.html?ref=sports

"He is planning to testify against several powerful people in the sport of cycling who knew about his doping and possibly facilitated it, said several people with knowledge of the situation."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TheChipPrince on January 15, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
Anywhere in the Uk broadcasting the interview?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: kpnuts on January 15, 2013, 01:13:45 PM
Anywhere in the Uk broadcasting the interview?

Discovery Channel. Also streamed live on Oprah.com.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 15, 2013, 06:49:06 PM
Looks like the first major clash of top riders will be at the Tour of Oman, February 11th.

"The organisers of the Tour of Oman have confirmed that current Tour de France champion Bradley Wiggins (Sky), past Tour winners Alberto Contador (Team Saxo Tinkoff) and Cadel Evans (BMC Racing Team) plus current and former world champions Philippe Gilbert (BMC Racing Team), Fabian Cancellara (RadioShack Leopard), Mark Cavendish and Tom Boonen (both Omega Pharma Quick Step) will all take part in next month’s Tour of Oman."



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 16, 2013, 06:11:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BArw6GTCMAE_NXc.jpg)

Jonathan Tiernan-Locke was a continental pro tour rider, but a fantastic year has given him the chance to step up to the world tour with Sky. I'm Looking forward to him racing.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH35fcnT9JY


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 16, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
Anywhere in the Uk broadcasting the interview?

Discovery Channel. Also streamed live on Oprah.com.

will be at 2am on Fri Jan 18 and Sat Jan 19. Sky 520/Virgin 212, & repeated 8pm both Fri & Sat.
 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 17, 2013, 01:34:42 PM
2014 Tour de France – initial details:

Stage one: Leeds - Harewood - Otley - Ilkley - Skipton - Kettlewell - Aysgarth - Hawes - Reeth - Leyburn - Ripon – Harrogate

Stage two: York - Knaresborough - Silsden - Keighley - Haworth - Hebden Bridge - Elland - Huddersfield - Holmfirth - Sheffield

Stage three: Cambridge - Epping Forest - the Olympic Park - the Mall





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 17, 2013, 01:38:48 PM
(http://road.cc/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview_500/images/Tour%20de%20France%202014%20Yorkshire%20Grand%20Depart%20stage%20routes/Tour%20de%20France%202014%20Stage%201.jpg)

(http://road.cc/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview_500/images/Tour%20de%20France%202014%20Yorkshire%20Grand%20Depart%20stage%20routes/Tour%20de%20France%202014%20Stage%202.jpg)

(http://road.cc/sites/default/files/imagecache/preview_500/images/Tour%20de%20France%202014%20Yorkshire%20Grand%20Depart%20stage%20routes/2014%20Tour%20de%20France%20stage_3.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 17, 2013, 09:38:14 PM
Cavendish talks about his Specialized bike (well they pay his wages!), his new OPQS team, & winning the Green jersey.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-uY6nqWQXw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: The Camel on January 18, 2013, 03:01:32 AM
I haven't followed the Armstrong story closely at all.

Now he's singing, is there any chance he'll get prosecuted like Marion Jones?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: outragous76 on January 18, 2013, 08:00:03 AM
Just started watching this Armstrong interview! The guy is coming across as utter filth!

Shields up, lies on, and excusing behaviour! This could be a painful cringeworthy watch


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: DaveShoelace on January 18, 2013, 08:27:39 AM
Just started watching this Armstrong interview! The guy is coming across as utter filth!

Shields up, lies on, and excusing behaviour! This could be a painful cringeworthy watch

I watched a bit of it, it was like a skinny Lederer Files.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: outragous76 on January 18, 2013, 09:09:53 AM
He has no remorse!

He has actively ruined people's lives. He has destroyed people. He has no regret for that. It is very clear he is just gutted he got caught!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: aaron1867 on January 18, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
Only seen bits and bats on the way out, but seen snippets from SKy Sports app too of major things he has said.

One I wondered about and thought wtf?....

"I view this situation as one big lie that I repeated a lot of times. I know the truth - the truth isn't what was out there or what I said"


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 18, 2013, 09:22:37 AM
I haven't followed the Armstrong story closely at all.

Now he's singing, is there any chance he'll get prosecuted like Marion Jones?

There is every chance his bank balance will be wiped out. He's being sued for millions.

Not sure if he will do any time in the Big House.

I guess all this finally coming clean now, is a course to avoid prosecution.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 18, 2013, 09:24:31 AM
Not seen the first part of the interview yet. Anyone have a link to a free stream.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: outragous76 on January 18, 2013, 09:27:27 AM
Not seen the first part of the interview yet. Anyone have a link to a free stream.

you tube

He promises to answer all the questions

They show  a clip of him giving testimony under oath, and he immediately refuses to answer any questions in respect of that point


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: outragous76 on January 18, 2013, 09:50:21 AM
Of course in part 2 of this are going to be "asked" to feel sorry for him, how its affected his family, life, future!

I cant stand these things. I sincerely hope that people dont fall for it, but seeing this filth ball as govenor of Texas in 10 years time would be no surprise!



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: AndrewT on January 18, 2013, 09:58:50 AM
He won't do time. Even if he gets sued it'll be for millions, when he has tens of millions in the bank.

He'll be alright.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: DaveShoelace on January 18, 2013, 10:04:37 AM
He has no remorse!

He has actively ruined people's lives. He has destroyed people. He has no regret for that. It is very clear he is just gutted he got caught!

I can imagine how he has ruined lives, particularly for people who should have been Tour De France champs, but are there any more direct specific examples how he has ruined lives? I'm a noob to Lance Armstrong stuff


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: outragous76 on January 18, 2013, 10:11:04 AM
He has no remorse!

He has actively ruined people's lives. He has destroyed people. He has no regret for that. It is very clear he is just gutted he got caught!

I can imagine how he has ruined lives, particularly for people who should have been Tour De France champs, but are there any more direct specific examples how he has ruined lives? I'm a noob to Lance Armstrong stuff

Anyone who has even so much as criticised him, let alone levelled cheating against him, he has sued, ranging from a little massuse to national newspapers, and finally USADA. He has "discredited" many along the way.

In his interview, it is passed off as "bullying", well I guess thats one way to describe it. Im not sure it passess for bullying when you purposefully set out to ruin people. Sadly the interview (Part 1) is all about Lance. I sincerely hope she picks him up on the effect he has had on the people he crushed along the way



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 18, 2013, 10:36:23 AM
He has no remorse!

He has actively ruined people's lives. He has destroyed people. He has no regret for that. It is very clear he is just gutted he got caught!

I can imagine how he has ruined lives, particularly for people who should have been Tour De France champs, but are there any more direct specific examples how he has ruined lives? I'm a noob to Lance Armstrong stuff

Anyone who has even so much as criticised him, let alone levelled cheating against him, he has sued, ranging from a little massuse to national newspapers, and finally USADA. He has "discredited" many along the way.

In his interview, it is passed off as "bullying", well I guess thats one way to describe it. Im not sure it passess for bullying when you purposefully set out to ruin people. Sadly the interview (Part 1) is all about Lance. I sincerely hope she picks him up on the effect he has had on the people he crushed along the way



Indeed, Emma O'Reilly (massuse), Frankie & Betsy Andreu (former close friends), Christophe Bassons (former rider), Paul Kimmage (journalist) all spoke out against Armstrong. All were bullied & lives ruined by him. But to their credit never gave up, & with the help of Sunday Times journalist David Walsh were finally vindicated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21072776


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nirvana on January 18, 2013, 10:47:19 AM
Funny construct all this.

Don't have much sympathy for the people 'whose lives he ruined' - they chose to get in the ring. Coulda looked the other way like the whole sport did for years.

Also, pretty lol to feel sorry for all the incredibly 'clean' cyclists who couldn't win the TdF cause Armstrong was cheating. I've researched this thoroughly and can reveal that 98.3% of TdF cyclists were drug cheats in the period when Armstrong won it all


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: craigbetts on January 18, 2013, 10:49:58 AM
Only seen part one, yes he will make a good politician! He should of held his hand up and copped the lot, not look to turn things round. He has lived a lie for soo long it's difficult for him to distinguish between what lies he still believes and what he can cling on to.

I often say it is a bigger and better man to admit to his mistakes than the one who hides  behind these, Lance shows he is a very small boy. Now for part 2.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: outragous76 on January 18, 2013, 10:58:23 AM
He has no remorse!

He has actively ruined people's lives. He has destroyed people. He has no regret for that. It is very clear he is just gutted he got caught!

I can imagine how he has ruined lives, particularly for people who should have been Tour De France champs, but are there any more direct specific examples how he has ruined lives? I'm a noob to Lance Armstrong stuff

Anyone who has even so much as criticised him, let alone levelled cheating against him, he has sued, ranging from a little massuse to national newspapers, and finally USADA. He has "discredited" many along the way.

In his interview, it is passed off as "bullying", well I guess thats one way to describe it. Im not sure it passess for bullying when you purposefully set out to ruin people. Sadly the interview (Part 1) is all about Lance. I sincerely hope she picks him up on the effect he has had on the people he crushed along the way



Indeed, Emma O'Reilly (massuse), Frankie & Betsy Andreu (former close friends), Christophe Bassons (former rider), Paul Kimmage (journalist) all spoke out against Armstrong. All were bullied & lives ruined by him. But to their credit never gave up, & with the help of Sunday Times journalist David Walsh were finally vindicated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21072776

No point being vindicated when your life is ruined IMO


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MANTIS01 on January 18, 2013, 12:15:12 PM
Armstrong comes across as somebody totally devoid of morality to me. The extent of his cheating and lies boggles my mind. I remember attending seminars with work about success and achievement where we were encouraged to be like Lance Armstrong in pursuit of our goals. Er, no thanks. The serious point is he wasn't just a cyclist, he was somebody who epitomised human spirit and endeavour to a lot of people. Those associations only intensified after his cancer battle and all that livestrong bollocks. So he had a lot of responsibility to preserve the integrity of these great human qualities, but just pissed that away to cheat and lie instead.

I used to love sport and look up to sporting heroes. I don't know what to make of sport these days because everybody seems to be cheating or match fixing or conning somebody. Anybody who looked up to Lance Armstrong and found him an inspiration has been the victim of a hoax and I don't think his explanations serve much purpose in repairing that damage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 18, 2013, 05:33:58 PM
Value alert.

Tour Down Under market has just been made. Hills go Gilbert 20/1. I'd have made him second fav around 6/1- 7/1

http://www.oddschecker.com//cycling/tour-down-under/winner

Hopefully find some time over the weekend to look closer at the race & betting market.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: craigbetts on January 18, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Value alert.

Tour Down Under market has just been made. Hills go Gilbert 20/1. I'd have made him second fav around 6/1- 7/1

http://www.oddschecker.com//cycling/tour-down-under/winner

Hopefully find some time over the weekend to look closer at the race & betting market.

Is the value not with EBH at 8's?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 18, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
Value alert.

Tour Down Under market has just been made. Hills go Gilbert 20/1. I'd have made him second fav around 6/1- 7/1

http://www.oddschecker.com//cycling/tour-down-under/winner

Hopefully find some time over the weekend to look closer at the race & betting market.

Is the value not with EBH at 8's?

depends on what price you make him.

Before the market went live, I'd have him priced in the same region as Gilbert, so not value in my book.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: pokerfan on January 18, 2013, 08:00:06 PM
The TDF is passing through my village, will nobble riders for cash  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 19, 2013, 10:18:23 AM
TOUR DOWN UNDER 2013. 20-27 January.


(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Roturn1988/Tdu.jpg)

(http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/img/2012/cycling/tdu/stages/TDU13_overall_Map.jpg)

The first World Tour stage race of the season, & consequently difficult to predict any form.  Overall this race looks to favour the puncheurs (Classics type riders) for the overall. Stages 1, 4, and 6 for the sprinters. Weather can be a big factor with temperatures in the 40s, but forecasts seem to be in the low 30s in Adelaide next week.

Looking at the teams sent, three stand out.

http://www.tourdownunder.com.au/start-list.htm

Orica GreenEdge. Gerrans, last years winner, will be the GC rider. Matt Goss the sprinter. The Aussie team & riders are in form after the Jayco Tour & Nationals. An Aussie has won the TDU 8 times out of 14 editions. Gerrans was disappointing in the Nationals, but his goal is perhaps the TDU.

BMC look to have sent a team full of domestiques purely to support Philippe Gilbert, the current Rainbow jersey (World champ). Although the Sprint Classics are his main motivation, this TDU seems to be an opportunity for him, especially as reports from his winter training have been positive. Stage 2 looks made for him, if he can attack on the last steep climb & descend well, valuable seconds can be gained. It’s possible that this is the selective stage, if not Stage 5 will certainly be the key stage. This also looks to have characteristics to suit Gilbert. At 151.5km, it's the longest stage of the race and features a 3.1 kilometre climb to the finish.

Interestingly Sky have sent their Classics group of riders, headed by Edvald Boasson Hagen. One of Sky’s aims for the year is to win a one day Classic. Are they using this race as part of the early season training? I doubt it, it’s not part of Sky’s ethos, they are there to win. 7th last year, if EBH has found some early season form he’ll be in on the podium at least.

Suspect the podium will comprise the above, with perhaps a sprinter like Greipel nipping into the top 5 if his team can get him over the lumpy stuff.

The sprints should be dominated by Andre Greipel (Lotto-Belisol), with Marcel Kittel (Argos-Shimano), also in the mix.

Outsiders & ones to watch. Tiago Machado (Radioshack), 3rd last year, aggressive rider, but tactically naive. Rohan Dennis (Garmin-Sharp), a young Aussie on a US team, 5th last year, & should feature at some stage. Peter Velits (OPQS), an all-rounder, with a strong team.

http://www.oddschecker.com//cycling/tour-down-under/winner

The 20/1 for Gilbert is long gone.

I notice Andy Schleck is priced between 25 & 100/1, reflecting his unknown form after last years injury hit season. He’s expected to slowly build this season towards the TDF, we‘ll see.

Live coverage & highlights on Sky.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2013, 12:54:13 PM
Santos Tour Down Under kicked off with the criterium (People's Choice Classic) on Sunday, but while it is part of the broader event, it isn't actually part of the Tour Down Under itself. Stage 1 is on Tuesday.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5oyGeCc1dM


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2013, 04:07:53 PM
Cavendish kicks off his season on Monday in the Tour de San Luis, Argentina. Plenty of big names joining him, Contador, Nibali, Sagan, Chavanel, Van Garderen, Hushovd, Rodriguez, & Van den Broeck.

No betting market for this low key event, but will be good info on form & team strengths.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2013, 10:07:47 PM
Some comments from Gilbert after the People's Choice Classic.

“The feeling was good. That's the most important news of the day. I think the legs are good and I'm really confident,”

& from the Directeur sportif

“They did a good job of training during the week and they're ready for the race. Phil is motivated and we'll surround him and hope for a good result."



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2013, 10:09:39 PM
News that Contador is planning a Giro & TDF double.

That'll please Sky & Wiggins  ::)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on January 20, 2013, 10:15:20 PM
News that Contador is planning a Giro & TDF double.

That'll please Sky & Wiggins  ::)

Didn't he do this 2011 and was shot by the TDF came round?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2013, 10:28:32 PM
News that Contador is planning a Giro & TDF double.

That'll please Sky & Wiggins  ::)

Didn't he do this 2011 and was shot by the TDF came round?

Was it 2011? the year he crashed in one of the early stages? & never really recovered. I'm not sure, but remember Contador won the Giro in 2011.

I think maybe alot of the talk will be mind games to try & put Sky & Wiggins on the back foot before any of the Grand Tours start.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 21, 2013, 01:35:01 PM
Looks like Sky will be behind Geraint Thomas in the TDU, a few rumours were around this morning, but looks to be confirmed by Ian Stannard in this interview.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoGMLNA5c1c

I guess EBH has not been performing well in the heat, he does seem a bit chubby  :)

Thomas available in few spots at 50/1. Has a good engine, but questionable on the hills. I'd rate him as top 5 if the team was all strong, but suspect after the People Choice Classic, the group is a bit off.

Stage 1 markets are out. Greipel a short priced fav. A few thoughts later if time permits.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-down-under/tour-down-under-stage-1/winner



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 21, 2013, 03:58:38 PM
TDU Stage 1.

http://www.tourdownunder.com.au/documents/2013-stage-1.pdf

A lumpy stage, with plenty of opportunities to attack. However Greipel's Lotto-Belisol & the other sprint teams will be keen to control it for a bunch sprint.

A slightly up hill finish straight is no problem for Greipel, the only world class sprinter in the field.

Early season is a fine time for some emerging young guns to spring surprises. Look out for Boy van Poppel (Vacansoleil-DCM), impressed at the Tour of Britain. The brit Andy Fenn (OPQS), a neo pro on the World Tour, expecting some good rides from him in the future.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 21, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Cavendish takes the win in Tour de San Luis Stage 1.  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 21, 2013, 10:58:16 PM
Cavendish takes the win in Tour de San Luis Stage 1.  :)


(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/720880733.jpg?key=650376&Expires=1358809516&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=TBmbxkzcNIXzKdYYasd9i0e273j~z2hahQIMrfiupPOXq6NdW9CEUj6jxbvlNiMh0MnRcgZi~09pGLiE2VStWkfCw2Bw7e3-B5E8BcOR9HB75grodJWdwJmTXctg1KKXRl64PdTKtjy992e9DRvIZ~KZSrrHRyzn7CbowVl7whI_)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 22, 2013, 09:32:52 AM
TDU. stage 1.

Greipel wins easily. Gerrans & Gilbert showed their intentions for GC by going for time bonuses.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Royal Flush on January 22, 2013, 09:58:55 AM
Currently working my way through the Tyler Hamilton book, quite amazing to somebody with not much knowledge at all of this sport.

Two questions for you aficionados, is the sport mostly clean now in your opinions and what's the best way for me to become a fan, it seems like a sport that appeals to me with all the tactical nuances but i can't just sit there watching geezers pedal for hours without understanding the tactics.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 22, 2013, 11:32:18 AM
hey flushy, hope your recovering well.

imo, cycling still has problems. The UCI still faces so many questions, re corruption, political power struggles. Until there is a change at the UCI its difficult to move on from the Armstrong era.

If I was to make a guess (it can only be a guess, who really knows?) I'd say it's 90-95% clean. Cycling is the most tested sport. It has a blood passport system. Riders also have the "hour a day" system, for random testing. They must be available on the hour notified to the testing authorities, 365 days a year. The young generation in the peloton, are not afraid to speak out against doping, big change there.

Watch the Grand Tours, flushy. Drama unfolding over 3 weeks. You'll pick up the tactics, as it unfolds.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 22, 2013, 04:10:22 PM
TDU. stage 1.

Greipel wins easily. Gerrans & Gilbert showed their intentions for GC by going for time bonuses.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JtU0zrLtHk


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 22, 2013, 04:18:42 PM
I like these vids, a back stage view of the stage from the Aussies Orica GreenEdge

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_qNjHSO6Pc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 22, 2013, 04:42:46 PM
Currently working my way through the Tyler Hamilton book, quite amazing to somebody with not much knowledge at all of this sport.

Two questions for you aficionados, is the sport mostly clean now in your opinions and what's the best way for me to become a fan, it seems like a sport that appeals to me with all the tactical nuances but i can't just sit there watching geezers pedal for hours without understanding the tactics.

Would say it's the cleanest I have ever known it, how clean that is is anyones guess, but testing better now than has ever been. Sky have been massive in this change imo. Done more in a couple of years in the sport then other teams combined. Their contracts on being clean etc are the way to go. Wasn't the least suprised by any of the people who have left or 'retired' from the sport since Sky brought them in.

Best way to get into it imo would be to watch the coverage of the tours from start to finish, just the hourly highlights shows are fine to start with. ITV and Eurosport showed a lot of coverage of the circuit last season. Most also show the last hour or so of a stage, where all the tactics, chase downs, sprint assembles takes place


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 22, 2013, 06:27:25 PM
TDU Stage 2.

http://www.tourdownunder.com.au/documents/2013-stage-2.pdf

The last 20km will be the selection. Up Corkscrew Road, nearly a 4km climb with up to 10% gradient. 7km descent to finish.

Interested to see if Sky with EBH & Thomas attack as a team here, to try & nullify the expected attack of Gilbert & Gerrans.

Over the top it looks possible for a rider to solo for victory on the descent. I’m expecting Gilbert to try this & win.

If a group of 10 or so make it over together, this brings opportunities for some EW betting. I’ve gone small EW Simone Ponzi (Astana) @ 20/1. Peter Velits (OPQS) @ 33/1. Both showed yesterday they are in good shape, finishing well up in the bunch.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 23, 2013, 03:27:07 AM
Awesome ride and victory by Thomas for sky today. Looked very strong on both the last climb and the finish


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 23, 2013, 09:04:15 AM
Awesome ride and victory by Thomas for sky today. Looked very strong on both the last climb and the finish

Just read the twitter commentary, sounds a great ride by G.

Highlights later, I hope.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 23, 2013, 11:20:57 AM
Awesome ride and victory by Thomas for sky today. Looked very strong on both the last climb and the finish

Just read the twitter commentary, sounds a great ride by G.

Highlights later, I hope.


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGGRRBr6zZM

Pre the stage, G was available for the overall at between 30 & 40!

His price also in the Tour of Flanders has gone from 66/1 to 12/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 24, 2013, 04:55:33 PM
You spotted any value for stage 4 Tonji? or is Griepel the value even at his price?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 26, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
You spotted any value for stage 4 Tonji? or is Griepel the value even at his price?

Just back from a business trip, been missing all the action Down Under.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 27, 2013, 12:35:08 AM
You spotted any value for stage 4 Tonji? or is Griepel the value even at his price?

Just back from a business trip, been missing all the action Down Under.
Griepel was the value, cruised the sprint finish.
Cracking finish to stage 5, catch the highlights


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 28, 2013, 09:59:02 AM
Tom Jelte Slagter (Blanco Pro) won the Tour Down Under.

Daniel Diaz (Somos Todos) won the Tour de San Luis.

Frankly, both had never crossed my radar. Interestingly both are 23. Signs that young riders can get results are good for the sport, but tricky for the punter.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 28, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
Tom Jelte Slagter (Blanco Pro) won the Tour Down Under.

Daniel Diaz (Somos Todos) won the Tour de San Luis.

Frankly, both had never crossed my radar. Interestingly both are 23. Signs that young riders can get results are good for the sport, but tricky for the punter.

Slagter looked good in that 5th stage down under, both performance and the tactics in the last few k


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 28, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Tom Jelte Slagter (Blanco Pro) won the Tour Down Under.

Daniel Diaz (Somos Todos) won the Tour de San Luis.

Frankly, both had never crossed my radar. Interestingly both are 23. Signs that young riders can get results are good for the sport, but tricky for the punter.

Slagter looked good in that 5th stage down under, both performance and the tactics in the last few k

Caught up with the highlights, good win for Blanco, especially outfoxing Sky.

Greipel & his lead-out train were top notch, no one was even close. Will be interesting when Greipel & Cavendish race, but maybe have to wait until the TDF.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 28, 2013, 04:45:46 PM
Currently working my way through the Tyler Hamilton book, quite amazing to somebody with not much knowledge at all of this sport.

Two questions for you aficionados, is the sport mostly clean now in your opinions and what's the best way for me to become a fan, it seems like a sport that appeals to me with all the tactical nuances but i can't just sit there watching geezers pedal for hours without understanding the tactics.

Would say it's the cleanest I have ever known it, how clean that is is anyones guess, but testing better now than has ever been. Sky have been massive in this change imo. Done more in a couple of years in the sport then other teams combined. Their contracts on being clean etc are the way to go. Wasn't the least suprised by any of the people who have left or 'retired' from the sport since Sky brought them in.

Best way to get into it imo would be to watch the coverage of the tours from start to finish, just the hourly highlights shows are fine to start with. ITV and Eurosport showed a lot of coverage of the circuit last season. Most also show the last hour or so of a stage, where all the tactics, chase downs, sprint assembles takes place

I would say the best way to get to grip with it all is to actually be a cyclist.  Just going out on a clubrun will give you an idea of some of the very basics, and hearing people chat will inform you of more in depth stuff.  Obviously racing gives you even more knowldege.  Great for fitness, but on the flipside also VERY time consuming if you are training properly.

Its also a very tough, physically demanding sport.  My coach (when I was younger) used to tell me the only thing to compare to it was boxing (he represented UK at Olympics in both!!)

Still riding JJ?

What level were you riding at?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 28, 2013, 09:32:18 PM
Currently working my way through the Tyler Hamilton book, quite amazing to somebody with not much knowledge at all of this sport.

Two questions for you aficionados, is the sport mostly clean now in your opinions and what's the best way for me to become a fan, it seems like a sport that appeals to me with all the tactical nuances but i can't just sit there watching geezers pedal for hours without understanding the tactics.

Would say it's the cleanest I have ever known it, how clean that is is anyones guess, but testing better now than has ever been. Sky have been massive in this change imo. Done more in a couple of years in the sport then other teams combined. Their contracts on being clean etc are the way to go. Wasn't the least suprised by any of the people who have left or 'retired' from the sport since Sky brought them in.

Best way to get into it imo would be to watch the coverage of the tours from start to finish, just the hourly highlights shows are fine to start with. ITV and Eurosport showed a lot of coverage of the circuit last season. Most also show the last hour or so of a stage, where all the tactics, chase downs, sprint assembles takes place

I would say the best way to get to grip with it all is to actually be a cyclist.  Just going out on a clubrun will give you an idea of some of the very basics, and hearing people chat will inform you of more in depth stuff.  Obviously racing gives you even more knowldege.  Great for fitness, but on the flipside also VERY time consuming if you are training properly.

Its also a very tough, physically demanding sport.  My coach (when I was younger) used to tell me the only thing to compare to it was boxing (he represented UK at Olympics in both!!)

Still riding JJ?

What level were you riding at?

Nah I joined the army about 17 years ago with the intention of riding for them pretty much full time - but I discovered life lol

I blew alot of my teenage years away training ridiculous amounts and dropped out of college to go race in Belgium (I was on GB junior squad). Trouble was, at that time if you were UK/US/Australia it was pretty much closed shop...and I defo wasn't prepared to do some of the things asked.

The fitness I gained though kept me in great stead - even now later in life when I'm not so fit I gain cv fitness super quickly.  I've been tempted to go back, but tbh if I were to do so I'd do it properly - and that eats up an immense amount of time

Sounds like you could have been a contender, but just unlucky to have been born a generation too early. Great opportunities now for talented GB riders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 28, 2013, 11:52:26 PM
The daily chores of a domestique in the Tour de San Luis

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxpHnflzxfM


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 30, 2013, 10:59:02 AM
Tour Of Qatar. Feb 3-8

(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tour+of+Qatar+J6Qb2_ajiERl.jpg)

http://www.letour.com/indexTQA_us.html

Hot & windy, this race has become an important preparation for the Spring Classics in Belgium.

Tom Boonen (OPQS), 4 times winner will not be riding due to an elbow injury. His replacement is Zdenek Stybar, double World Cyclo-cross champion. Cavendish will lead the team. The team has vast experience in this race, riding echelons in the cross winds, & should give them a clear advantage in riding for the general classification.

(http://cyclingweekly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11141/000006d3c/7c84_orh315w315/toq12st4-windy.jpg)

Unconfirmed start list here: http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/117690022-Tour-of-Qatar-2013-Startlist


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 31, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
You spotted any pre race value???


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 31, 2013, 06:03:26 PM
You spotted any pre race value???

No markets up yet, that I could see. But a few thoughts in the next few days on a couple of riders I hope will have long odds, with possible EW opportunities (I like them), if time permits.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 31, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
The race consists of 5 flat stages that will likely end up in a bunch sprint. However, teams & riders can get decimated with the cross winds, so only the strongest survive.  Stage 2 breaks up the race with a 14km team time trial, long enough to shake up the overall classification, but not long enough to give the winning team an unbeatable time advantage.

Stage wins and time bonuses are important to winning the overall. A stage win nets 10, 6 & then 4 seconds, while 3, 2 and 1 second are on offer at intermediate sprints.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 02, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
Boonen’s absence has given Cavendish a GC opportunity. He will be keen to make an early impression on his new team mates. If he can avoid the puncture lottery and steer clear of any bad luck, then there is no reason why he can’t win 2 or 3 stages & take the overall. However a lot will depend upon his team mates. Cav will need to be sheltered from the desert winds if he is to influence the make up of the podium. I have my doubts on the early season strength of OPQS to ride echelons & bring Cav to the last few kms. Incidentally Cavs twitter suggests he is feeling the effects of travelling Argentina-Italy-Qatar in the past 3 days.

I think the winner maybe a durable sprinter, who can get some bonus seconds and never lose out in the crosswinds.

John Degenkolb (Argos-Shimano), impressed in the 2012 Vuelta with 5 stage wins. The team has just stepped up to the WorldTour level this year & will be looking to claim points early in the season. 

Daniele Bennati (Saxo-Tinkoff). 3rd in 2011.

Heinrich Haussler (IAM Cycling). In a new team the Ex-Garmin rider was 2nd in 2011.

EBH (Sky).  His form needs to be up a gear from what was seen in TDU. On paper one of the strongest teams in the race, but form looked patchy in TDU. I’ve lost a far few bob backing EBH over the past few years, the expected results have not materialised.


Another angle is to look at, is riders in the Boonen mould, strong Classics riders.

Fabian Cancellara (RadioShack). A previous stage winner here, & 7th last year. Strong team that will be one to watch in the stage 2 TTT. If the winds blows he may be able to give the sprint teams the slip to podium.

Taylor Phinney (BMC). A young rider, I expect to win some major one day classics in the next few years. Has ridden Qatar three times. Some solid experience in the team with Greg Van Avermaet, should give him the opportunity to use his time trialling ability to nick a stage. Reports of top quality winter training, & raring to go.

Juan Antonio Flecha (Vacansoleil-DCM). Could be the surprise of the race, although it shouldn’t be. Left Sky last year, with the goal to pursue personal ambitions that were not available working essentially as a super domestique. Has ridden Qatar four times, with a third & fourth overall. Now 35, but still one of the toughest riders in the peloton.

Will be offline later this afternoon & evening  & have not seen any markets on odds checker. If I can get John Degenkolb & Taylor Phinney EW at around 20/1, that’s where my money will go.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 02, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
If surprises are in order, keep an eye out for the Italian, Elia Viviani (Cannondale). Only 23, a world class track rider, he can mix it up with the sprinters.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on February 03, 2013, 08:38:19 AM
Not had a look at the traditionals yet but betfair market got very little value in it. Only bennati at a half decent price

Viviani not even listed on betfair market yet so might be able to find a good price for him.

I'm gonna look at laying a few of the betfair market, prices too skinny to back

Edit:
Oddschecker has laddies giving 20/1 on phinney
                       laddies & bet365 give 100/1 on viviani


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 03, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
Not had a look at the traditionals yet but betfair market got very little value in it. Only bennati at a half decent price

Viviani not even listed on betfair market yet so might be able to find a good price for him.

I'm gonna look at laying a few of the betfair market, prices too skinny to back

Edit:
Oddschecker has laddies giving 20/1 on phinney
                       laddies & bet365 give 100/1 on viviani

I think 365 & Skybet had some odds up briefly yesterday, but missed all, so no idea if any value was anywhere.

Anyhow stage 1, now live on Al Jazeera  ::)

http://www.en.aljazeerasport.tv/Live/channel/global


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 03, 2013, 12:30:56 PM
Looks as if the peloton has split into groups in the cross winds. Cav in a group behind. Degenkolb & Phinney in lead group.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 03, 2013, 01:20:28 PM
Peloton regrouped & chased down a 3 man break, catching them on the line. No big time gaps between the favourites.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 03, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQfEk-yJ7W4

BMC are a good shout for tomorrows TTT.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 03, 2013, 10:24:57 PM
One of the unluckiest riders in bike racing, Johnny Hoogerland was hit by a car in training today. In the 2011 TDF he was hit by a team car.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6YWws_K-o


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 04, 2013, 12:26:45 PM
For those at a loose end, the TTT is underway. Tricky windy conditions.

English commentary http://sports-livez.com/channel/ch-5.php


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 04, 2013, 01:05:20 PM
BMC win beating Sky by 5 seconds.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 04, 2013, 08:59:40 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkiwkuyQILw

GC after stage 2.

1 Brent Bookwalter (USA) BMC Racing Team 3:44:44
2 Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:00:06
3 Adam Blythe (GBr) BMC Racing Team 0:00:10
4 Greg Van Avermaet (Bel) BMC Racing Team
5 Michael Schär (Swi) BMC Racing Team
6 Bernhard Eisel (Aut) Sky Procycling 0:00:11
7 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling 0:00:15
8 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Procycling
9 Mathew Hayman (Aus) Sky Procycling
10 Luke Rowe (GBr) Sky Procycling
11 Mark Cavendish (GBr) Omega Pharma-Quick-Step Cycling Team 0:00:20


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 04, 2013, 09:39:34 PM
Stage 3. 143 km.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-01/Tour-of-Qatar-Stage-3-1358337028.jpg)

Wind report is stronger for Tuesday, then lessening the rest of the week.

The overall is a battle between BMC & Sky, with OPQS trying to get Cav into the final sprints, but with only 3 stages to go he will have to win 2 of the 3 to stand a chance in the overall. BMC look stronger than Sky, so will be looking to control the race. Easier said than done, with time bonuses along the route.

This stage may well be the only opportunity for a breakaway to succeed. The lesser teams will be looking to attack. After watching the TTT, FDJ was a team that impressed, particularly Yoann Offredo. He has ridden Qatar twice before, with strong finishes in the overall. A strong Classics rider, 7th in Milan-Sanremo 2011. 42 seconds down in the overall, he may not be considered a threat to the GC teams, & allowed to escape in a breakaway group. I got 250 EW with PP, a banzai for sure but I kinda like it  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 06, 2013, 12:38:39 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgFR8d1j570

Cav too good. But can he win GC?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 06, 2013, 02:44:10 PM
Cav wins stage 4 in Qatar, he makes it look so easy. In a class of his own. He now has a 2 second lead in GC.

Wiggins apparently abandons in Mallorca Challenge race.

Tour Mediterraneen kicks off, with Voeckler, Schleck, Hushovd, Greipel, Kreder, Martin, Talansky, Roche, Kreuziger, Rogers, Boom, Sicard, Cousin, Peraud, Fedrigo, Pinot, Roux et al.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 06, 2013, 10:17:48 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhCL9EG6d_k

2 stages left, no wind forecast, Cav is odds on to win the overall. Although the top ten is packed with BMC & Sky riders from 2 to 17 seconds down, it could still be interesting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 07, 2013, 11:37:28 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwC2JqDJFlE

Ahead of the season opener for GT GC riders at Oman. Chris Froome talks about the TDF & Armstong.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 07, 2013, 12:53:47 PM
No prizes for guessing the stage 5 winner.

BMC & Sky made a vain attempt at a breakaway 20km out. OPQS lead-out train worked for the first time this season.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 07, 2013, 11:40:05 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx7PXnSrJbs

Final stage tomorrow, can Cav make it 4 in a row? odds on. He's now approaching 100 pro wins.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 08, 2013, 12:21:00 PM
Last 20 km of the final stage live now

http://sports-livez.com/channel/ch-5.php


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 08, 2013, 12:24:51 PM
BMC & Phinney have ridden well, nicking some bonus sprints against Sky, & should now make the podium.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 08, 2013, 08:08:15 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTcVF5he5M

Next...


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BClS6U6CEAAy-tB.jpg:large)

as endorsed by Charlie Watts!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on February 09, 2013, 01:53:48 PM
What a finish from Cav

That weight loss last year cost him a bit in the sprints but boy is he back on it this year.

You know Cav is in form when he doesn't use/need the train and just tears apart the finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 09, 2013, 03:29:11 PM
What a finish from Cav

That weight loss last year cost him a bit in the sprints but boy is he back on it this year.

You know Cav is in form when he doesn't use/need the train and just tears apart the finish.

Agree, world class bike handler. He seems to disappear in those frantic & chaotic sprints, only to appear at the correct moment. No one is better at jumping on the correct wheels & staying out of the wind.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on February 09, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
What a finish from Cav

That weight loss last year cost him a bit in the sprints but boy is he back on it this year.

You know Cav is in form when he doesn't use/need the train and just tears apart the finish.

Agree, world class bike handler. He seems to disappear in those frantic & chaotic sprints, only to appear at the correct moment. No one is better at jumping on the correct wheels & staying out of the wind.

defo, had to watch the highlights 3 times last night just to see where he came from out of that bunch sprint!!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 09, 2013, 10:09:30 PM
Probably the best blog I've read on how cycling can move on from Armstrong & doping. Giving the young riders who are clean the chance to have a career in bike racing.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/jonathan-vaughters/opinion-its-not-all-about-lance-armstrong-and-heres-how-we-can-fight-doping

By Jonathan Vaughters, Garmin-Sharp pro cycling team manager.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 09, 2013, 10:59:49 PM
Tour of Oman. 11-16 Feb.

http://www.tourofoman.om/index.html

Unlike Qatar it has mountains.

(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2011/tour-of-oman/4-RTR2IS4A-640.jpg)

Generally a preparation race for the teams with ambitions in the Grand Tours.

The Route: http://www.letour.fr/2013/TOO/COURSE/docs/parcours.pdf

Stage Four up the Jabal al Akhdhar (also known as the green mountain).  A fearsome climb (5.8 km at an average gradient of 10.3%), the winner is likely to go on to claim GC.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-02/Tour-of-Oman-Stage-4-1360345704.jpg)

Full team line ups have not been confirmed. But some big names will be present.

Sky: Froome & Wiggins. Froome is said to be the leader.

Saxo-Tinkoff: Contador.

BMC: Cadel Evans. His first race of the season.

Cannondale: Sagan.

Astana. Nibali.

Katusha: Rodriguez.

OPQS: Boonen. With last years winner Peter Velits.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 10, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
Not seen any prices up on odds checker yet, but a few thoughts on betting.

Contador. A stage winner & 4th in GC in Argentina last month despite being overweight. With a strong Saxobank line-up. Should be strong favourite 3/1 or less.

Sagan. From Cannondale website “My first goal is to improve my conditioning,” he said, then made it clear that a victory is also on his agenda. “I had a positive debut in Argentina; it’s a shame that I was only close to winning. In Oman, I’ll find stages suited to me and, most importantly, warm weather. The first important event of my season will arrive in one month: I want to face it with strong condition and high morale. This is why taking a win here is ideal.” Showed well in San Luis. Should be strong in the sprints, but will need to be on climbing form for Stage 4. 2nd or 3rd Favourite, at around 7/1.

Froome. First race of the season, so difficult to assess form. Wiggins has said he’ll use the race as training for the Giro, & his a little heavy to cover any attacks. For the rest of the team, it’s also the first outing of the season. Except Richie Porte who was in pretty good shape in Australia. Again 2nd or 3rd Favourite, at around 7/1.

I'm a bit concerned that this race is being used by many of the favourites as a training exercise for more important races later in the season. I'm looking at a couple of riders that could have the potential & the legs to spring a surprise for the overall win. More tomorrow after the markets are online.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 11, 2013, 09:19:32 AM
Busy week ahead, so updates may be infrequent.

ToO started an hour ago.

Overall decided I can't go against Contador, but took a small flyer EW on Tony Gallopin, (Radioshack). A solid sprinter who can also compete in the hills. A good 3rd last year at Oman. Has raced already at Qatar, a respectable 13th. I suspect that he has this race pencilled in as a great opportunity.

Also pondered Richie Porte EW, but dithered!

Stage 1. Goss (OGE) had a touch of value.

Ok off to pick up, 2000 photographs from Auction!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 11, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1QMuNFtwgY

huh! Kettel & Argos-Shimano were pants in TDU, I guess some days the legs return & start spinning.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 12, 2013, 08:41:49 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QrlXA6jOVE

Gallopin 2nd in GC, 9 seconds behind Sagan. At least my thoughts on Gallopin going for overall is correct, whatever the result from here on in.

Expecting Sagan to win on stage 3, but struggle & loose time on the crucial 4th stage.

Gallopin's tactics will be to hang on to Contador's wheel (11 seconds back) on the Green Mountain & overtake Sagan into the red jersey. We'll see on Thursday.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 12, 2013, 09:01:36 PM

1. Peter Sagan (Svk) Cannondale Pro Cycling. 3:48:36

2. Tony Gallopin (Fra) RadioShack Leopard. 0:00:05

3. Martin Elmiger (Swi) IAM Cycling

4. Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team

5. Zdenek Stybar (Cze) Omega Pharma-Quick Step. 0:00:07

6. Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling

29. Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Team Saxo-Tinkoff. 0.00:11

Actually a lot tighter than I first thought. Contador should still be strong Favourite with Nibali not far behind.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 13, 2013, 09:26:23 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A3uOL_8wxw

Crucial stage tomorrow


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 13, 2013, 09:34:03 PM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TOO/2013/400/PROFILVIGNETTE.jpg)

(http://inrng.com/medias/images/jebelakhdarprofile.jpg)

Hard to see past Contador for this stage. I expect Froome, Nibali, & Nocentini will be battling behind.

Gallopin has 16 seconds on Contador, it will be difficult to hold that. Still with a good chance of top 3 though.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 13, 2013, 09:43:25 PM
Volta ao Algarve starts tomorrow. Only a 4 day race this year.

Cavendish starts, looking for a couple of sprint stage wins, should be a walk in the park. His team mate Tony Martin is odds on to win overall. A final stage 35 km TT, should seal victory for him.

(http://img.skysports.com/12/02/640/Algarvegeneric_2718445.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on February 14, 2013, 12:14:00 PM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TOO/2013/400/PROFILVIGNETTE.jpg)

(http://inrng.com/medias/images/jebelakhdarprofile.jpg)

Hard to see past Contador for this stage. I expect Froome, Nibali, & Nocentini will be battling behind.

Gallopin has 16 seconds on Contador, it will be difficult to hold that. Still with a good chance of top 3 though.

Good taster tomorrow of Froome's form compared to Contador.
Very impressed with Sagan's form defo improved from last season and looks the real deal.
lining up to be a cracking season in the majors for the sprinters.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 14, 2013, 03:12:03 PM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TOO/2013/400/PROFILVIGNETTE.jpg)

(http://inrng.com/medias/images/jebelakhdarprofile.jpg)

Hard to see past Contador for this stage. I expect Froome, Nibali, & Nocentini will be battling behind.

Gallopin has 16 seconds on Contador, it will be difficult to hold that. Still with a good chance of top 3 though.

Good taster tomorrow of Froome's form compared to Contador.
Very impressed with Sagan's form defo improved from last season and looks the real deal.
lining up to be a cracking season in the majors for the sprinters.

An epic battle on the Mountain stage today I gather from twitter reports.

Have you seen the result?

I'll put a video up of the Eurosport highlights later/tomorrow when it becomes available.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on February 14, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TOO/2013/400/PROFILVIGNETTE.jpg)

(http://inrng.com/medias/images/jebelakhdarprofile.jpg)

Hard to see past Contador for this stage. I expect Froome, Nibali, & Nocentini will be battling behind.

Gallopin has 16 seconds on Contador, it will be difficult to hold that. Still with a good chance of top 3 though.

Good taster tomorrow of Froome's form compared to Contador.
Very impressed with Sagan's form defo improved from last season and looks the real deal.
lining up to be a cracking season in the majors for the sprinters.

An epic battle on the Mountain stage today I gather from twitter reports.

Have you seen the result?

I'll put a video up of the Eurosport highlights later/tomorrow when it becomes available.

Just seen result but no video, WOW in short


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 14, 2013, 05:26:34 PM
Indeed, wow  :) didn't see that finishing order for sure.

Hope to find a decent highlight package of the stage later


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2013, 11:11:48 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJRZeyCg2o

Yesterday, stage 4.

Today's stage was also a cracker!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2013, 08:54:49 PM
A banzai for the final stage 6 tomorrow.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-02/Tour-of-Oman-Stage-6-1360345719.jpg)

Likelyhood is the peloton will be fairly relaxed & looking for an easy ride to a bunch sprint finish. Where Kittel & Bouhanni are favourites.

But, the last 5 km

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-02/Tour-of-Oman-Stage-6-1360345790.png)

has a short kick-up 4 km from the finish. An ideal launch for riders like Boonen & Phinney to us their strength to time trial away from the field. Both are no threat to the overall, so Sky will not be concerned. If that does not happen both are in with a shout in a bunch sprint having been 5th & 6th in the 1st stage sprint.

Boonen available at 25/1, Phinney at 50/1. Banzai with EW value.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2013, 09:06:23 PM
Omloop Het Nieuwsblad is the first Flanders classic of the year, 23rd Feb.

I really like one rider for this, he's not Belgian! Not sure if I'll be able to get a bet on...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 15, 2013, 09:47:21 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BieXRXFgvCU

Stage 5.

Froome needs to loose a few more Kg if he wants to win the the TDF!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 16, 2013, 01:52:45 PM
Stage 6.

1. Nacer Bouhanni (Fra) FDJ
2. Matt Goss (Aus) Orica-GreenEdge
3. Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing Team
4. Elia Viviani (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling
5. Borut Božič (Slo) Team Astana
6. Daryl Impey (RSA) Orica-GreenEdge
7. Tom Boonen (Bel) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
8. Danny van Poppel (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM
9. Blaz Jarc (Slo) Team NetApp-Endura
10. Marco Coledan (Ita) Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox

Phinney gets the EW bet home  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 17, 2013, 02:20:41 PM
Stage 6.

1. Nacer Bouhanni (Fra) FDJ
2. Matt Goss (Aus) Orica-GreenEdge
3. Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing Team
4. Elia Viviani (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling
5. Borut Božič (Slo) Team Astana
6. Daryl Impey (RSA) Orica-GreenEdge
7. Tom Boonen (Bel) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
8. Danny van Poppel (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM
9. Blaz Jarc (Slo) Team NetApp-Endura
10. Marco Coledan (Ita) Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox

Phinney gets the EW bet home  :)

Yesterdays 6th & final stage.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pveRvQZq6Y

a bit of promotion for the Oman tourist board!

Top result for Froome, winning GC, bodes well for his TDF ambition.

Surprised at how well Cadel Evans performed. At 36 I'd kind of written him off. It's possible he'll still be a force come July.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 17, 2013, 03:31:17 PM
Volta ao Algarve starts tomorrow. Only a 4 day race this year.

Cavendish starts, looking for a couple of sprint stage wins, should be a walk in the park. His team mate Tony Martin is odds on to win overall. A final stage 35 km TT, should seal victory for him.

(http://img.skysports.com/12/02/640/Algarvegeneric_2718445.jpg)

Tony Martin smashes the TT, over 1 minute ahead of the next rider & takes the GC. OPQS raking up WorldTour points early.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 18, 2013, 08:05:19 PM
Omloop Het Nieuwsblad. Saturday 23rd Feb.

The first of the Flanders classic of the season. Riders return from Oman & Portugal to the wind, rain & occasional snow of Belgium. A race for the hard men of the peloton.

Leaves Ghent & some 5 hours later returns to Ghent, with plenty of bodies left in the gutters on the way.

(http://1.nieuwsbladcdn.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2012/02/25/omloopfoto.jpg)


(http://www.wielerzone.be/images/blogpost/2013/02/parcours_omloop_het_nieuwsblad_2013.png)


(http://www.wielerzone.be/images/blogpost/2013/02/profiel_omloop_het_nieuwsblad_2013-1024x391.png)

I'll do a preview of some of the contenders of this race, but also ones who will be in frame over the coming weeks.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 18, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2013/02/07/1/pic345279203_670.jpg)

Lars Boom. (Blanco). The Dutch cyclo-cross champion for many year. Blanco's strong start to the year continued with Boom, a stage winner a few days ago at Haut Var-matin, so early season form is good. His race programme will see him ride nearly all the Spring classics, with the prime ambition of Paris-Roubaix in April.

Age 27 he’s in his prime now to get some big results. I’d expect him to be in the final group with 20km to go. Top 5 finish if he does not crash! (that’s him in the gutter in the previous post).


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 18, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
(http://www.sepvanmarcke.be/images/2013/sep.png)

Sep Vanmarcke. Boom’s team mate on the Blanco squad. A fierce attacking rider on his day he won Omloop last year out sprinting Tom Boonen. Form is unknown with an average performance in the Agarve. But he’s Belgian & looking to defend his title.

A cool short video of Vanmarcke last year

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4Csx74JG8


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on February 19, 2013, 12:56:38 PM
Awesome reports for the last few days, cheers Tonji.

Have you spotted any longer range value?, most of the form boys still doing it this season with the exception of Wiggo.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 19, 2013, 02:22:42 PM
Awesome reports for the last few days, cheers Tonji.

Have you spotted any longer range value?, most of the form boys still doing it this season with the exception of Wiggo.



Thanks vegas.

Value long range? Giro & TDF etc I assume you mean.

Personally I rarely have a long range ante post bet, but I have some exceptions (more later).

Form & injury can change expectations radically. Add in the fact that teams never confirm selections til close to race day. I also think the betting firms will often price up on previous results, with form a secondary consideration. I prefer to have more info than the bookies & select bets late on.

Re Wiggo, I don't read anything into his current form. His race programme in April will be the guide to his chance in the Giro.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 19, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
(http://1.nieuwsbladcdn.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2012/09/27/C10_GBC3V4NTF010C10Roelandts01.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg)

Lotto-Belisol have a strong team packed with Belgians. Jurgen Roelandts will be the likely leader on the road. Recent form is good with a stage win at Tour Méditerranéen. Three previous appearances in Omloop, with a best of 9th.  Last year was disrupted by injuries, but at 27 he now has the maturity to breakthrough with some major results.

Interviews are positive.
“I am very motivated, I have trained and I've done everything to be good,” … "There are few opportunities in the spring, so I hope that everything will now fall in place. If I don't have a bad day or bad luck, I will be there in the final.”


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 19, 2013, 08:46:52 PM
(http://ambijans.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/47fa2f0477a24filippo_pozzato.jpg)

Another rider in form is the 31 year old Italian Filippo Pozzato. Leader of the all Italian team Lampre. Certainly experienced with 5 visits to Omloop, & a best of 6th place. Forecast for race day is 2 degrees. Italians stereotypically hate the cold, let alone ones who wear bandannas  ::)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 19, 2013, 08:59:30 PM
Omloop will be the first high profile race for the new South African Pro Continental Team MTN Qhubeka.

A team with a difference. Part of the aim is a charitable project in Africa, bikes for kids.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp0y1568zLI


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 20, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
The in form BMC team have selected a strong line up, with options for leaders.

A previous winner here, the experienced Thor Hushovd is returning after a injury hit 2012. Reports seem to indicate he may have a watching brief, & if he has the legs be given the green light for the win. He has his sights more firmly set on Paris-Roubaix later in April.

My favourite rider at the moment is Taylor Phinney. Still only 22, but big things expected of him. He’ll likely be asked to chase down breaks, but if can find himself in the final selection a top three is possible.

Likely leader will be the Belgian Greg Van Avermaet. An impressive 2012, with a top six in Flanders, Het Nieuwsblad, the Strada Bianche and Brabantse Pijl. He looked strong in Qatar & Oman. Due a big win this season imo.

(http://www.bmcracingteam.com/typo3temp/pics/6f7b73d391.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 20, 2013, 11:17:00 PM
The latest from Vanmarcke:

“I hope so. My most important goals are Harelbeke, Flanders and Roubaix and hopefully everyone will be in a good condition for Omloop [Het Nieuwsblad]. I feel like I’m in good shape, but I don’t know if I’m good enough to go for the win there. I think I will be able to fight for the win. I will be good enough for that, but I don’t know if I’ll be good enough for the win. It will depend on how you are on the day. We’ll see.”


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 21, 2013, 06:09:18 PM
Update on the weather for Saturday is 2 degrees, with a -5 wind chill. With a NE wind, meaning heading back to Ghent will be a head wind making the chances of breakaways succeeding less likely.

The Belgian OPQS team is arguably the strongest. With the classics legend Boonen being not 100% the leader option is likely to be with Niki Terpstra. Although I think the form rider is Zdenek Stybar, a good outside bet for a podium.

Here is OPQS team on a recon of the course. A big deal for Belgium TV!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOZgyO4qHB0


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 21, 2013, 06:52:56 PM
Sunday sees the Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne & the first showdown between Cavendish & Greipel.

Unibet seem to be the only bookie offering a market:

Cav 2.85
Greipel 3.25

Weather predictions are cold with a chance of snow! Greipel & his lead-out train may have the edge this early in the season.

Live on Eurosport2 at 2.15


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: craigbetts on February 21, 2013, 08:47:35 PM
Tonji, thank you for all your posts, I am loving cycling even more and enjoying your insights.

Here for the ride  ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 22, 2013, 10:25:55 AM
Tonji, thank you for all your posts, I am loving cycling even more and enjoying your insights.

Here for the ride  ;)

Cheers Craig

I think this season may just be the best!

Friends in Belgium are buzzing with the Omloop & KBK weekend ahead.

Final thoughts on Omloop bets later today. Overslept this morning  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 22, 2013, 01:00:07 PM
(http://www.wielerzone.be/images/blogpost/2012/11/beklimming_berendries_omloop_nieuwsblad.jpg)

Omloop: Cobbles, beer & frites, that’ll be Flanders this weekend.

All week I had Lars boom in my mind ahead of Jurgen Roelandts. But conditions & the quality field have reversed that. The probability of a final selection of 10 or so riders competing in the last 20km lead me to the belief that Roelandts will have the better sprint. It also it helps if you're Belgian, 53 out of 64 winners have been home boys.

I got 12.00 yesterday with Unibet, but is now 9.00. Also available at Sportingbet. Boom is the same price.

“Only the Warriors or lucky survive” I’ve also had a small punt on 2 lucky warriors Zdenek Stybar & Taylor Phinney, the two riders with strength & form. Both at 35.00.

Live on Belgian TV. Usually a stream is available. I’ll post a link tomorrow when I find it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 22, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
Looking ahead to next weekend on the 2nd March we have

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4SPHdKLrMg

Strade Bianche a beautiful race held in part on the "white roads" of Tuscany around Siena.

Cancellara ftw.

Paris-Nice 3-10 March.

Tirreno-Adriatico (The Race of the Two Seas) 6-12 March. Used as a preparation for the first Monument of the year, La Primavera - Milan-Sanremo on 17th.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 11:12:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDyELquCIAA3Bkv.jpg:large)

Cold start in Ghent. Live on Sporza after 1pm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 12:10:30 PM
First hour completed at over 46km/hr, real fast! staying warm!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 12:49:04 PM
First crash of the day & a Lotto-Belisol rider abandons  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 01:56:08 PM
http://88.80.5.88/c4b00/20130222/vv51277bb0e2068021069847-529599.html

live in francais! Sporza streams are slow


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 02:46:38 PM
elite group forming with 40km to go, all favourites seem to be there.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 02:53:22 PM
Chavanel attacking, chasing group with Roelandts 20' back


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 03:04:23 PM
Group of 10 riders now off the front by nearly 2 mins. Roelandts among them, along with Thomas, Van Avermaet. Winner in that 10.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 03:15:15 PM
Vandenbergh & Paolini open a 20' gap over the other 8, they don't fancy the sprint. 20km to go


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 23, 2013, 03:47:39 PM
Luca Paolini wins a two up sprint.

Roelandts was 8th  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 24, 2013, 10:45:01 AM
Sunday sees the Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne & the first showdown between Cavendish & Greipel.

Unibet seem to be the only bookie offering a market:

Cav 2.85
Greipel 3.25

Weather predictions are cold with a chance of snow! Greipel & his lead-out train may have the edge this early in the season.

Live on Eurosport2 at 2.15

Cancelled.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 25, 2013, 04:53:49 PM
A pretty good overview of the race.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hNDYjUfkg0

Some behind the scenes with OPQS.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7-iX3MNoOk

Geraint Thomas had a really strong 4th place despite crashing at 70km. Looking like he may be good for the Tour of Flanders.

Roelandts 8th was good considering his cornea froze in his eyeball in the last 10km.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 26, 2013, 02:13:42 PM
Strade Bianche. Saturday 2nd March.

(http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/StradeBianche/2011/it/jquery-lightbox-0.5/photos/2012/img/11.jpg)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4SPHdKLrMg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 26, 2013, 02:17:16 PM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-02/Strade-Bianche-1361891379.jpg)

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-01/Strade-Bianche-1359385253.jpg)

The previous weeks in that area of Tuscany have been wet. The wet white roads can be particularly unpleasant & tough. However the forecast is dry & sunshine all week, with Saturday a sunny 13. The parcours condition will be a big factor.

Sagan & Cancellara are likely favourites, followed by Valverde.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 26, 2013, 08:29:21 PM
(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/03/WATSON_00002864-0282.jpg)

Fabian “Spartacus” Cancellara. Riding for RadioShack. A Classics specialist & legend. Has had an anonymous start to the season & a two week break after Oman.  His targets are still a good 2-4 weeks away. A 2x winner here, he will be well marked by the other teams. Needs dry conditions & his team to be attacking. If he is within a small select group at the 5th strade bianche sector, he can repeat last years win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2013, 08:23:57 PM
Peter Sagan, after suffering bronchitis in Oman, won well in today's G.P. Camaiore. His team mate Moreno Moser also showed some strong form. Sagan may edge Cancellara in the Strade Bianche betting now.

Kind of busy, but a few names I hope to back tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2013, 12:13:07 PM
Peter Sagan, after suffering bronchitis in Oman, won well in today's G.P. Camaiore. His team mate Moreno Moser also showed some strong form. Sagan may edge Cancellara in the Strade Bianche betting now.

Kind of busy, but a few names I hope to back tomorrow.

Sagan is best 2/1, not for me.

Cancellara at 6/1 is better value imo.

With punctures & crashes always likely. Some other options:

Oscar Gatto leader of the all Italian team Vini Fantini . 3rd last year, 7th 2011. Super consistent. Good nitty EW bet @ 25/1.

A rider with exceptional form at the moment is Francesco Reda, Androni team. 66/1 FTW is value, especially as he placed 7th in 2012.

Banzai of the week. Dan Martin, Garmin. Quiet start to the season, but reports of some good & focused training for the Classics this year. 2012 saw fine performances in La Flèche Wallonne & Liège-Bastogne-Liège. I’ve taken an early season hunch he could go well here. EW 80/1.

Live on Eurosport saturday afternoon.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
Paris-Nice starts on Sunday.

Only had a quick look, but the 7 day stage race looks a touch boring. Most of the top names are preferring the Tirreno-Adriatico on the 6th.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-nice/paris-nice/winner



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 02, 2013, 10:54:39 AM
Racing in Flanders you hope for wind & rain.

In Tuscany you hope for days like these

(https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2M3emxjZy5qcGcUAhYAEgA&s=l1ksYKyeB5d3Bm8ZeUBO6lNUShv406uSzpmt_0ktW7c)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 02, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEWo_7-CQAEWSgF.jpg)

Seems it's live only on RAI tv, Eurosport showing delayed footage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on March 02, 2013, 08:21:11 PM
Eurosport coverage was crap


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 02, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
Eurosport coverage was crap

ha I watched it on RAI with the super excited commentators! Great last 3km into Siena when it looked possible a group of 10 or so could possibly make the last narrow corner together before the finish.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rSqhg3fWrk


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 02, 2013, 09:07:10 PM
Paris-Nice starts on Sunday.

Only had a quick look, but the 7 day stage race looks a touch boring. Most of the top names are preferring the Tirreno-Adriatico on the 6th.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-nice/paris-nice/winner



Tejay ftw. Talansky to podium. Go the yanks!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 04, 2013, 09:55:53 PM
The 100th Edition of the the Tour de France, and so the build up begins... :D

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku_t6qpVoHU


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 05, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Tirreno-Adriatico 6-13 March.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VRJw_8Q34pg/TX9b33h0BCI/AAAAAAAAPZY/ekb6xu66ejw/s1600/2011%2Bta11.jpg)

An indicator on how riders are shaping up for July, with a sub-plot on the form of the Classics riders ambitions for Milan-Sanremo. Add in the Sprinting battle between Cavendish & Greipel & you have the making of a fantastic race.

Five contenders for the overall; Contador, Froome, Evans, Nibali, & Rodriguez.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 05, 2013, 11:34:26 AM
Don't like Contador at 2/1. Actually think Froome has an edge over Contador at the moment, particularly with an ITT as the last stage. Available at 4/1.

Also don't mind a small bet with Rodriguez at 9/1. Stages 4 & 5 look like he could put his rivals into serious trouble.

Stage 1 is a TTT. BMC are strongly fancied.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 06, 2013, 08:31:28 PM
Tirreno-Adriatico.

Stage 1. TTT was won by QPQS. So Cavendish will go into the next stage with the leaders blue jersey.

Stage 2.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-01/Tirreno-Adriatico-Stage-2-1359384904.jpg)

Expected to be a sprinters stage & the first of the season's battles between Cav & Greipel.

Cav should have the edge in the betting maybe 2/1 to Greipel at 3/1. Rest 12/1...

Can't bet against Cav, although I think Greipel has a higher top speed & his Lotto Belisol team have a more organised lead-out train. Cav tho has the better acceleration & racing instinct.

Many early sprint stages in races are prone to be nervous & chaotic affairs. I fear that the other sprint teams of Goss, Farrar, Hushovd, Degenkolb, Demare, Ferrari, & Ciolek all looking for the lead-out could result in crashes.

Remember Cavs crash in last years Giro caused by Ferrari veering off line.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP6yjPEpzcg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 06, 2013, 08:43:06 PM
Paris-Nice.

Stage 3. Andrew Talansky won an 8 man sprint to give himself a 3 second lead in the overall. Tougher stages ahead & needs his team to perform better to hold off the challenges of Tejay van Garderen & Lieuwe Westra.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5qCl4O-mbg

Skys Vasil Kiryienka manages to go sideways downhill!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPiPGNPrrg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Jon MW on March 06, 2013, 09:25:42 PM
If anybody fancies doing something themselves the Great Manchester Cycle recently opened for registration

http://www.greatcycle.org/ (http://www.greatcycle.org/)

I think it's basically a 13 mile course and you choose whether to go around it 1, 2 or 4 times

This is the topography of the course they used last year

(http://www.greatcycle.org/App_Files/Gr_files/Great-Manchester-Cycle-2012-Course-Elevation-v2.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2013, 01:53:13 PM
Tirreno-Adriatico live on Eurosport2 now with 70km to go.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2013, 06:22:06 PM

Tirreno-Adriatico. Stage 2.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TYpj4yvnz8



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2013, 07:44:45 PM
Cav & Greipel not even close. A really messy bunch sprint, with all the trains mistiming their leadouts.

Cav not a happy bunny “I don’t know, really … I should have been in the front and I come into a bunch of chaos. We come into the last kilometer in 30th position. I’m pretty disappointed in those last guys today, actually. I had a lot of ground to make up...I’m quite disappointed with my leadout today. It’s not often that I say that, but I think we’ll have to have words tonight.”

Any of today's top 3 were probably available at the 30 to 40/1 range. Such is the unpredictability of bike racing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2013, 08:36:59 PM
Paris-Nice.

Talansky rode a solid tactical stage to hold a narrow lead.

Tomorrow is possibly the crucial & toughest stage. Châteauneuf-du-Pape - La Montagne de Lure

With a final climb to sort out the leaders.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-03/Paris-Nice-Stage-5-1362225181.jpg)

Nairo Quintana will be a strong favourite for the stage. I also like the form of Michele Scarponi, & at only 18 sec back, he'll be motivated.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2013, 09:04:12 PM
Quote
Nairo Quintana will be a strong favourite for the stage. I also like the form of Michele Scarponi, & at only 18 sec back, he'll be motivated.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-nice/paris-nice-stage-5/winner

Scarponi is 14/1 with Sportingbet, a few points out of line. He's been looking strong all race. Negative, this is only his second race of the season, but previous years he's always been a consistent climber throughout the year. I've gone EW.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2013, 09:42:16 PM
Had a quick gander at stage 3 of TA.

Looks a Sagan type stage, hilly finish. Cannondale may try the same tactic as used at Strade Bianche & get Moser away in the last 5km. Main contenders will be biding their time for stage 4 mountains.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 08, 2013, 02:47:47 PM
Quote
Nairo Quintana will be a strong favourite for the stage. I also like the form of Michele Scarponi, & at only 18 sec back, he'll be motivated.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-nice/paris-nice-stage-5/winner

Scarponi is 14/1 with Sportingbet, a few points out of line. He's been looking strong all race. Negative, this is only his second race of the season, but previous years he's always been a consistent climber throughout the year. I've gone EW.

Approaching the final climb now on Eurosport.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 08, 2013, 06:10:35 PM
Paris - Nice 2013 - Stage 5.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON1vYP_oiXc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 08, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
My man for the stage, Scarponi, made his move with 4km to go on the climb, but didn't fully commit. Unlike Skys Richie Porte who made a decisive move to get the win.

Talansky showed his inexperience with too many attacks on the climb, when he should have been following & saving energy to battle the last 2km. Still in 2nd, & pretty much on his own ability, as his team have been really poor in supporting him.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 08, 2013, 09:06:35 PM
Stage 4 at Tirreno-Adriatico.  Narni - Prati di Tivo.

(http://www.vmtravel.it/en/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hotel-prati-di-tivo-1-big.jpg)

A beautiful part of Italy.

All the big hitters, Contador, Froome, Rodriguez, Evans & Nibali will be testing each other in this mountain top finish.

Rodriguez for me, his form seems to be ahead of his rivals.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 10, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
Sky showed yesterday that they are following the same path to TdF victory with Froome, as Wiggins last year.

The Sky train blunted all their rivals on the final climb, allowing Froome to attack in the last km. Impressive stuff, but makes for boring racing. 

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQfBZVQQIyQ


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 10, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
The Aussies in OGE at TA

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwn1DoSwWYg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 10, 2013, 02:34:01 PM
The final stage today in Paris - Nice is an Individual Time Trial. My EW bet on Talansky looks ok. He's 2nd, 32 sec behind Porte, & a 10 second buffer to Chavanel in 3rd. He should be top three in this stage, & hold for a podium position. Moral boost needed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 11, 2013, 09:46:13 AM
Andrew Talansky got 2nd in the ITT, & held comfortably for a tremendous 2nd in GC. He's likely to ride his debut TdF, but certainly needs a stronger team around him to break into the top 5 overall. Top 10 would be an achievement.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 11, 2013, 02:36:49 PM
Brutal stage in progress at Tirreno-Adriatico, loads of riders abandoning including Cavendish.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 11, 2013, 11:13:44 PM
Brutal stage in progress at Tirreno-Adriatico, loads of riders abandoning including Cavendish.



Probably the toughest stage seen this year, with climbs of 27% many got off and walked. Over 50 riders abandoned.

(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/03/devolder-walks-537x440.jpg)

Sagan the wunderkid, wins again. Short odds already for Milan-Sanremo get shorter.

Froome lost the overall lead to a strong attack from Nibali.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 11, 2013, 11:48:35 PM
Milan-Sanremo on Sunday, the first Monument of the season. I'm on Cancellara with a pre-season bet at 11/1, that has drifted a bit  :(

A few days to ponder if there is any value anywhere in opposing Sagan.

Maybe one of the Sky boys, who have been training at altitude in Tenerife?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on March 12, 2013, 12:49:50 AM
Sagan is looking awesome, put him ahead of Cav now, massive fav for Green at TdF surely.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2013, 01:01:29 PM
Sagan is looking awesome, put him ahead of Cav now, massive fav for Green at TdF surely.


Certainly he can dominate for years to come, he's only 23. Frightening!

Bet Victor have priced him 5/4, Cav 13/8 in the TdF points classification.

Looking at his programme.

MSR on sunday strong fav, it really is his to loose.

E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke on 22nd, he should start fav.

Gent - Wevelgem on 24th, he was 2nd in 2012.

Then you've got Tour of Flanders, best price at the moment is 4/1. I got 8/1 back in February. Looking at that market also like the 18/1 Geraint Thomas.

Alot can happen between now & then.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 14, 2013, 09:48:03 AM
This Is Not a Story About Last Place.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324532004578358780883339720.html?KEYWORDS=phinney

One of the reasons Phinney is already a great rider & an inspirational bloke.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 14, 2013, 04:57:44 PM
(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/CORVOS_00018914-161.jpg)

Sunday is the 104th Edition of Milan-Sanremo, la classica di Primavera. At nearly 300km it is longest one day race in the world. At nearly 7 hours racing, only the strongest fittest riders can expect to win.

(http://www.milansanremo.co.uk/2013/2013_MSR_Profile.jpg)

The bookies & cycling journalist expect only one winner, Peter Sagan. Probably the hottest favourite in years. Best price at the moment is 7/4. To short for me to get involved.

Possible value options to consider later, when full teams are confirmed, & more accurate weather forecast is available.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 14, 2013, 07:46:48 PM
MSR in the past has thrown up a few surprise winners.

Tactics will play a large part, particularly in the last 30km, from the Cipressa to the Poggio. Where the sprint teams try to control breakaways (generally unsucessfully in recent years), & punchy climbers attack full gas to get away.

(http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/MilanoSanremo/2011/it/img/img_u30km2011.jpg)

This vid from last year by Zabel & Frere gives an idea of the tactical awareness needed in this race.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3rX3EBPbWA


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 14, 2013, 09:23:08 PM
Start list confirmed.

http://media2.gazzetta.it/gazzetta/pdf/2013/Iscritti-MI-SANREMO-2013.pdf

Weather update looks bad, north easterly strong winds and a lot of rain in San Remo, low temperatures, & possibilities of snow in the early part of the day.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 15, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
Why Sagan may not win MSR.

Rumours that he has not fully 100% recovered from bronchitis, particularly after the brutal stage in foul weather at TA. 300km in cold rainy MSR may take its toll at the crucial final sections of the race.

Tactically in the past mistakes have cost him races. Still young so understandable. Traditionally the Monuments of cycling are won by riders in their late twenties or early thirties.

Other teams will me marking him. No surprise that, but if two or three teams (I'm thinking OPQS, BMC & Sky) throw their weight around Sagan & Cannondale can make tactical errors.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 15, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
With the bookies backing Sagan as such a short priced favourite. Opportunities & long prices are available elsewhere.

Cavendish 9/1 on the face of it looks good. However, I have my doubts he can stay with the pace over the Poggio. He has also been talking down his chances (probably mind games). Although the OPQS does look particularly strong with Boonen, Chavanel & Terpstra. Bunch sprints have not been as common in MSR in recent history.

I'm intrigued by how Sky will perform. They ensued the traditional build up to MSR & the classics by altitude training in Tenerife, instead of the normal race build up in Tierreno. By applying specific training methods in winning the TdF, they are now using their own unique approach into winning a major classic. A risky strategy, but Sky have delivered, remember the doubters when Sky said their aim was to win the TdF.

Sky look to have 2 options in Thomas or Edvald Boassen Hagen. My hunch is that Thomas is the protected rider. His stage win in TDU had similarities to the finish at MSR. A fine 4th in Omloop shows he has solid strength & endurance. His last blog entry all sounds positive. This may be the only time the Sky team has flown under the radar before a major race & bookies have, imo, overlooked them somewhat . EBH available at 33/1, but I think he'll be better at Gent-Wevelgem & Flanders. Geriant Thomas, 40/1 is my EW bet.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on March 16, 2013, 02:21:10 AM
I would much prefer Thomas over EBH, Thomas seems to have kicked on this year whereas EBH never looks as though he's ever going to fulfill his potential.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 16, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
I would much prefer Thomas over EBH, Thomas seems to have kicked on this year whereas EBH never looks as though he's ever going to fulfill his potential.

Agree, Vegas. He's kind of Sagan "lite" if you see what I mean, can climb & sprint, but seems to lack a killer instinct at the end of races. Think he needs a big result this season, or Sky may ship him out.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 16, 2013, 12:07:28 PM
The Telegraph do a race preview of MSR.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9933218/Milan-Sanremo-2013-race-preview.html

I've also taken a small interset in Mauro Santambrogio. A 28 year old Italian on the Pro Continental Vini Fantini team. He's is in exceptional shape. Strong early season results, particularly a 7th overall in TA, including a 4th in the brutal 6th stage. At the back end of last year he also finished 4th in Il lombardia in torrential rain. With a decent sprint out of a small bunch & strong endurance in the longest races. I'd expect him to feature in the final selection tomorrow. 67/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 11:56:24 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFjVXa5CIAE5do5.jpg:large)

The feeding zone in MSR today  :o


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 11:59:35 AM
Seems like Race will stop in Ovada, to avoid snow, & then bus transfer, to restart in Arenzano. Some abandons already. Crazy day ahead!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: craigbetts on March 17, 2013, 12:06:25 PM
Looking forward to an afternoon of eurosport and a few micromillion events.

Not had a punt, but I may have a quick look now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 12:11:40 PM

Sky doing handy text updates here:

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,28603_8572765,00.html

Restart at 2.30 CET.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 12:18:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFjrBItCAAAstDM.jpg:large)

the peloton reaches Ovada. Never seen such appalling conditions in MSR.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 01:06:45 PM
The toughest sportsmen in the world!

Taylor Phinney & iced up helmet, on the bus to restart.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFjt20kCUAAV9nv.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 01:26:18 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H36MxPMlTqQ

arriving at Ovada.

comment from a rider "When my eyeball froze, that's when I lost my shit."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 01:40:25 PM
Race changes again. New start for race in Finale Ligure. Climb of Le Manie will be skipped. Start expected in 35 minutes.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 01:45:11 PM
Race changes again. New start for race in Finale Ligure. Climb of Le Manie will be skipped. Start expected in 35 minutes.

Sprinters have a better chance now!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 02:03:47 PM
New start in Cogoleto means about 130 km to go. Break of 6 with 7:40 min gap.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
Boonen, Terpstra and Vandenbergh all stayed in the bus. That's three guys less to help Cavendish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
Good to hear big Magnus Backstedt telling his stories on Eurosport.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 03:45:44 PM
Boonen, Terpstra and Vandenbergh all stayed in the bus. That's three guys less to help Cavendish.

Now down to two team mates left.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 04:14:06 PM
Looks like Sky applying the pressure to break some of the main contenders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 04:32:31 PM
Thomas & other Sky riders crash  ;grr; ;grr;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: craigbetts on March 17, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
Bubbling up nicely. Go on Stannard!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 05:13:05 PM
Bubbling up nicely. Go on Stannard!

Fantastic race, enjoyed that.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 09:57:07 PM
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya starts tomorrow. 7 day stage race. Wiggins, Hesjedal, Rodriguez & Valverde main contenders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 17, 2013, 10:38:54 PM
Last kms of MSR, if anyone missed it.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LYLQKQp9po


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on March 18, 2013, 12:17:48 AM
Cracking last 30 Ks today, some proper racing in there today no big trains with an obvious outcome. The cream certainly rose by the end


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 18, 2013, 10:11:08 AM
Cracking last 30 Ks today, some proper racing in there today no big trains with an obvious outcome. The cream certainly rose by the end


Yeah, proper racing. Sets up nicely for the cobbled classics.

Photo gallery from yesterday: http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2013/03/milan-san-remo-in-photos/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 18, 2013, 10:13:17 AM
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya starts tomorrow. 7 day stage race. Wiggins, Hesjedal, Rodriguez & Valverde main contenders.

Not a bet, but I suspect Dan Martin could go well in this, top 5.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 18, 2013, 05:02:30 PM
Cracking last 30 Ks today, some proper racing in there today no big trains with an obvious outcome. The cream certainly rose by the end


Yeah, proper racing. Sets up nicely for the cobbled classics.

Photo gallery from yesterday: http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2013/03/milan-san-remo-in-photos/

Jered Gruber, one of the best cycling photographers, was at MSR. Excellent gallery from him: http://www.flickr.com/photos/smashred/sets/72157633022964483/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 18, 2013, 11:50:38 PM
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya starts tomorrow. 7 day stage race. Wiggins, Hesjedal, Rodriguez & Valverde main contenders.

Not a bet, but I suspect Dan Martin could go well in this, top 5.

The lads on form, at least in stage 1.

http://connect.garmin.com/player/286071191

neat bit of kit  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 19, 2013, 12:09:44 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRDHdZQFUxo

OGE backstage at MSR


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 19, 2013, 11:21:27 PM
Tomorrow sees the start of the Flemish Cycle Week, with Dwars door Vlaanderen.

(http://www.pavepavepave.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/photo_11381_20110301-630x416.jpg)

A 200km one day race, with sections cobbles & bergs (steep hills). Primarily a warm up for:

E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke, 22nd.

Gent - Wevelgem, 24th.

Ronde van Vlaanderen, 31st. The biggest of the cobbled classics after Paris - Roubaix, 7th April.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 19, 2013, 11:41:37 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlzeevC2rWI

Sky in 2012 at DdV.

Many of the top riders have pulled out after Sundays tough race. Plenty of the teams have scheduled their 2nd string & younger riders.

OPQS Niki Terpstra should have a strong chance. Sky's Geraint Thomas was listed as leading the team, but I think has pulled out. Forecast is for heavy rain, so Stannard may give it a go after his heroics in MSR.

A couple of names that could be in the frame, Tom Veelers of Argos - Shimano, & Alexander Kristoff of Katusha.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 20, 2013, 08:12:30 PM
Tough old race at DdV

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyL2tdeylLI

Jack Bauer had a nasty crash.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B2mCwLzfp8

thankfully, he's ok & out of hospital.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 21, 2013, 12:18:44 PM
What with all the one day classics & Catalunya going on. I forgot saturday has Critérium International in Corsica. Froome has been training there all week, & will probably start favourite.

Critérium International, famous for the horse joining the race incident in 1997

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQSkmsFCjSA


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 21, 2013, 03:15:50 PM
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya starts tomorrow. 7 day stage race. Wiggins, Hesjedal, Rodriguez & Valverde main contenders.

Not a bet, but I suspect Dan Martin could go well in this, top 5.

The lads on form, at least in stage 1.

http://connect.garmin.com/player/286071191

neat bit of kit  :)

Dan Martin attacking on todays stage. Eurosport now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 21, 2013, 07:33:38 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHignTtAi4

Hell of a great ride by Dan Martin. Will still need to scrap hard to stay in top 3.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 21, 2013, 07:48:38 PM
E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke tomorrow.

Another Sagan & Cancellara battle you would of thought, but recent races have shown long odds riders nipping in for the win.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/e3-prijs-vlaanderen-harelbeke/winner

Not had any time to do any work in this, but a quick scan, aside favourites, Eisel, Iglinsky & Roelandts look to have some EW value.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2013, 09:34:59 AM
Tour of Britain route announced yesterday

(https://default.secure.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11141/000009fac/1d42/ToB-2013-map.jpg)

http://thetour.co.uk/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2013, 02:11:12 PM
E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke tomorrow.

Another Sagan & Cancellara battle you would of thought, but recent races have shown long odds riders nipping in for the win.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/e3-prijs-vlaanderen-harelbeke/winner

Not had any time to do any work in this, but a quick scan, aside favourites, Eisel, Iglinsky & Roelandts look to have some EW value.

on Eurosport2 now


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on March 22, 2013, 06:11:07 PM
Cheers for the updates Tonji. I have been ridic busy this week, not seen anything of the cycling. Views on Wiggo form, any better/worse than last year?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2013, 09:14:09 PM
Cheers Vegas,

Only really had one eye on the cycling myself this week.

From what I've seen in Catalunya, Wiggo's form is building for the Giro ok. Not up to the same level as last year. But pretty sure Sky will have him up to speed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2013, 01:46:22 PM
Dan Martin's performance in Catalunya has encouraged. 1st at the moment with today & tomorrows stage left.

Available at 50/1 for Liege-Bastogne-Liege. 5th last year. He looks in better shape this. VALUE.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2013, 02:10:45 PM
Tomorrows Gent - Wevelgem looks to be in danger, snow falling & forecast, -3 degrees  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2013, 02:36:12 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jyFNp_aCkw

Sky riders talk about the Classics.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 24, 2013, 10:20:53 AM
Tomorrows Gent - Wevelgem looks to be in danger, snow falling & forecast, -3 degrees  :(

Is on  :) Maybe a day for the sprinters. Cavendish & Greipel start.

Final stage of Catalunya. Dan Martin has a 17 sec lead over Purito. Could be a close battle in Barcelona.

Final day at Critérium International, with a tough mountain stage. Froome, Porte, Talansky & Van Garderen all within 7 secs.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on March 24, 2013, 09:14:53 PM
Tomorrows Gent - Wevelgem looks to be in danger, snow falling & forecast, -3 degrees  :(

Is on  :) Maybe a day for the sprinters. Cavendish & Greipel start.

Final stage of Catalunya. Dan Martin has a 17 sec lead over Purito. Could be a close battle in Barcelona.

Final day at Critérium International, with a tough mountain stage. Froome, Porte, Talansky & Van Garderen all within 7 secs.



Nice call on Martin

Froome and Porte looked very strong today, impressed with both.

Sagan is an absolute beast


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 24, 2013, 09:38:45 PM
Tomorrows Gent - Wevelgem looks to be in danger, snow falling & forecast, -3 degrees  :(

Is on  :) Maybe a day for the sprinters. Cavendish & Greipel start.

Final stage of Catalunya. Dan Martin has a 17 sec lead over Purito. Could be a close battle in Barcelona.

Final day at Critérium International, with a tough mountain stage. Froome, Porte, Talansky & Van Garderen all within 7 secs.



Nice call on Martin

Froome and Porte looked very strong today, impressed with both.

Sagan is an absolute beast

Martin is in the form of his life. He's had trouble with confidence, but always had potential. Pleased to see him showing his true ability. He can have a good shot at LBL.

Yeah, Sky look to be on track to dominate the TdF. Really just Contador stands in their way. The other teams need to find a way to disrupt the Sky train.

I'm Hoping to get over to Belgium on Sunday for Flanders. It should be an immense battle between Cancellara & Sagan.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 25, 2013, 08:18:10 PM
Driedaagse van De Panne-Koksijde (Three days of De Panne) starts tomorrow. Many of the top riders will use this race to fine tune for Flanders on sunday. Tom Boonen, Belgium's biggest sporting star, also starts to see if will be fit for sunday after crashing out of Gent - Wevelgem. The hopes of Belgium rest on his shoulders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 27, 2013, 09:37:37 AM
Some photo reflections on the semi classics:

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2013/03/reflections-on-the-semi-classics-by-kristof-ramon/



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 27, 2013, 09:45:21 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3eb686d9f14da7dbb3e29b912f48674b/tumblr_mkapf6DhAR1qfzn6ro1_400.gif)

Off on Friday to Belgium & France. Will definitely see Flanders on Sunday. Hoping that I can arrange some business to stay for Paris-Roubaix on the following sunday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 28, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGXEyFEhABI

What sunday is all about!  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 28, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
Tour of Flanders, the 2nd major classic of the year. Belgian's want Boonen to win, but his form is way off last year. He'll give it ago.

It really is expected to be the Sagan/Cancellara show. I'm on Sagan, the kid is a genius. Cancellara is still a classics legend, his experience may count if Sagan makes one mistake.

The Top teams will be looking to disrupt the two favouites. I expect Sky's Geraint Thomas to have a seroius tilt at this race, top 3 a possibility.

If the weather is dry & not too cold Lampre's Filippo Pozzato can play a part.

Others who shown some form this year & could be involved in the final mix are Katusha's Luca Paolini & Alexander Kristoff, BMC's Greg Van Avermaet & Vini Fantini's Oscar Gatto.

All live on Eurosport.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 28, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
Sky riders talking about the Classics

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwTSxo9XTZE


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 28, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
7th April. Paris - Roubaix "Hell of the North"

The oldest & toughest of bike races.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRoie0RAUU

Although Cancellara will probably win. My picks are Phinney & Stannard, two of the toughest young guns.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Back from 2 weeks in Northern Europe, business & bikes!



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2013, 09:13:03 PM
Managed to miss the Tour of Flanders, but watched sections of Paris-Roubaix in Arenberg, & the rest in a local bar. Tremendous atmosphere, plenty of Brits made the trip over.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUFwms7f4wg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2013, 09:16:35 PM
Such an epic race, even those left struggling seem heroic!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wglr6musCZk


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
Sunday sees the start of the Ardennes classics with the Amstel Gold Race.

Been a bit out of the loop, but Sagan won again during the week, with Gilbert showing much improved form. Parcours should suit Gerrans, he could do well if his team back him fully & not split their options.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/amstel-gold-race/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2013, 12:02:52 PM
Sunday sees the start of the Ardennes classics with the Amstel Gold Race.

Been a bit out of the loop, but Sagan won again during the week, with Gilbert showing much improved form. Parcours should suit Gerrans, he could do well if his team back him fully & not split their options.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/amstel-gold-race/winner

Some value with skybet going top 4, 1/4 odds.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 14, 2013, 12:28:22 PM
Was pleased that Sep Vanmarcke had such a great ride in PR after bearly being able to walk a few weeks earlier after a nasty crash. A genuine guy.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivlgs01c-h4


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 14, 2013, 12:34:36 PM
Amstel Gold Race live on Eurosport at 1.10pm.

Currently 7 escapees with an 11 minute gap to the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 15, 2013, 11:58:55 PM
Giro del Trentino starts tomorrow. A 4 day race with 5 stages, includes a team time trial on day one.

Wiggins using this as a build up to the Giro, & is priced too short. His form is reported good in training, but full race shape? I have my doubts. The Sky team looks inexperienced, no Uran, Henao or Kiryienka (on the Giro team), they race in the Ardennes this week.

Will be backing Nibali at 7/2, hoping he's recovered from the cold picked up at Milan-Sanremo. Also the Astana team looks stronger than Sky, & can gain time in the TTT.

Also small EW on Mauro Santambrogio at 28/1, who had a great Tirreno-Adriatico.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 16, 2013, 03:23:25 AM
Hey Tonji. I've been waiting the whole weekend for the bookies to put prices up for the Giro del Trentino, and now that I've seen them, I'm not that impressed.

I agree with everything you've said in your analysis. Wiggins is priced too short, and although the nature of the climbs (long and gradual) will suit his style, I think he is drastically short of team support here, and will struggle not to get dropped by stronger climbers (in my opinion), like Scarponi and Nibali, on the last two days. Nibali, for one, has impressed me so far this year, and I have him as the favourite, especially given his intention to focus on the Giro d'Italia (according to the press). Remember that Scarponi won the Giro the same year that he won at Trentino!

Given that there is not much value in the three favourites, I was hoping I might find a dark horse to upset the podium. At 28/1, I think Santambrogio is a great E/W call. If you look at the sort of riders he was holding his own against in the Tirreno-Adriatico (with a similar sort of parcours to Trentino), it would be hard not to call him the fourth favourite. Rolland is a stayer rather than an attacker, and Pozzovivo (although gifted) is priced in on last year's (weaker field) honours.

I was hoping that I might find some other diamonds in the rough, but I honestly don't know the other teams that well. I might have a cheeky bet on one of the Caja Rural boys (Txurukka or Fraile) to sneak one of the final mountain stages, as they do love attacking.

Along with the Nibali and Santambrogio bets, I also couldn't resist having £5 on BMC in tomorrow's TTT at 11/2 (Bet365). I do love betting against Sky.

I look forward to your analysis of the Fleche Wallone. My early E/W picks include Betancur and Martin, although I will look at the field in more detail tomorrow. I see SkyBet are paying 4 places.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2013, 09:19:38 AM
Hi cws,

Thanks for taking some time to air your thoughts, some excellent insights, keep em coming.

Bit pushed for time, but agree re TTT betting against Sky.

Not sure I'll have much free time before Fleche, but also like Martin, but in LBL, I think I have 40/1 EW from a few weeks back.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2013, 12:31:04 PM
La Fleche Wallone

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/la-fleche-wallone/winner

Sagan cramped up on sunday in Amstel, over raced in recent weeks?

Contador, not really properly prepared for this week, 2nd leader in team behind Kreuzinger with a watching brief imo.

Gilbert, certainly back in shape this week. His crash in the Amstel & chase back probably blunted his finish.

Valverde also in excellent shape. Prone to mistakes early in a race. Like his team mate Quintana either here or on sunday at Leige-Baston-Leige.

Sky's Henao & Porte should be in with a chance.

As cws said skybet top 4 paid must be value there.

Off out, more later.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2013, 08:06:20 PM
Notice Rodriguez is listed as starting for Katusha. I had thought he was out due to his crash on sunday. If fully fit I would expect him to be joint favourite, but odds of 5-7/1 reflect the doubts.

Katusha's Giampaolo Caruso has a better chance of a good finish. 11th in Amstel with some good results this year. 150/1 looks attractive.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2013, 09:26:41 PM
A rider under the radar this season has been Orica Green Edge's Michael Albasini. With Gerrans resting up for LBL after a very good podium at Amstel. Albasini looks to be the sole leader, with Pieter Weening playing a similar attacking role he preformed at Amstel, allowing Albasini to preserve energy until the final climb. He has an impressive record here, never out of the top 11 in the past five editions & 2nd last year. Season form is patchy, but has a win in stage 4 at Paris-Nice. This will be one of his & the teams main ambitions for the season. Have taken 22/1 EW with PP.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2013, 09:49:12 PM
Carlos Betancur, quite like your bet cws.

Great prospect, showed his potential in the Tour of the Basque Country. Negative is that it is his debut here, experience seems to be a common factor to do well here in recent years.

Dan Martin, rider I like a lot. Backed him in Catalunya, hoping for a podium & he exceeded my expectations. He crashed out in Amstel, I think with minor neck problems, but seems fine from his twitter comments. Had a fine 2012 in the Ardennes classics. I've got him EW in LBL. Think he needs this race to fine tune for sunday, but hope & think he will show well tomorrow. Good luck.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2013, 10:09:59 PM
Final thought from me on Fleche.

The Blanco team rode well at ASG, featuring in the breaks, & with two riders, Bauke Mollema & Lars Petter Nordhaug, in the final sprint for the podium places.

Bauke Mollema has been riding strongly this season with a number of podium finishes. 7th & 6th in 2012 at Fleche & LBL, he knows how to feature in the finals. PP go 66/1. I expected in the region of 33/1. My final EW bet for this race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 17, 2013, 02:36:45 AM
Thanks for the info on the Fleche Wallone, Tonji. I've done a bit more research now, and if it all comes down to the Mur de Huy, I'm hoping that Sagan cramps up, Gilbert makes a move and runs out of steam, Rodriguez succumbs to his injuries, and Valverde slips a chain.

Realistically, Valverde and Gilbert have the best chances in this race based on pedigree. However, given the wall-like finish of stage 3 of the Tour of the Basque country, I'm going for Henao to win, with Betancur e/w. Henao was like a mountain goat on the 21% gradient there, and Betancur just never gave in. I agree with you that Martin may be holding out for Liege-Bastogne-Liege, but I couldn't resist an e/w bet given the form he is in. Mind you, I will probably back him in LBL as well.

And lastly, I've decided to have another e/w bet on Albasini. This race seems to favour previous nearly-rans, and given his second place finish last year, and his impressive form this year, he is hard to ignore. I'll owe you for that pick if he wins. Good luck tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2013, 11:39:38 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bLMrjdEAGE

Is underway.

Live on Eurosport 2pm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2013, 01:23:25 PM
Giro del Trentino stage 1a yesterday was a bizarre one. A group of breakaway riders stayed away, with winner Maxime Bouet having nearly a 7 minute lead over the main contenders. Seems as if the big teams looked to Sky to bring back the breakaway, & they decided to sit on. Can't see how Boutet can lose from here, he's a reasonable climber. Overall bets are pretty much dead  :(

Interest now is really to just to monitor the form of Wiggins, Nibali et al ahead of the Giro.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2013, 04:18:25 PM
Thanks for the info on the Fleche Wallone, Tonji. I've done a bit more research now, and if it all comes down to the Mur de Huy, I'm hoping that Sagan cramps up, Gilbert makes a move and runs out of steam, Rodriguez succumbs to his injuries, and Valverde slips a chain.

Realistically, Valverde and Gilbert have the best chances in this race based on pedigree. However, given the wall-like finish of stage 3 of the Tour of the Basque country, I'm going for Henao to win, with Betancur e/w. Henao was like a mountain goat on the 21% gradient there, and Betancur just never gave in. I agree with you that Martin may be holding out for Liege-Bastogne-Liege, but I couldn't resist an e/w bet given the form he is in. Mind you, I will probably back him in LBL as well.

And lastly, I've decided to have another e/w bet on Albasini. This race seems to favour previous nearly-rans, and given his second place finish last year, and his impressive form this year, he is hard to ignore. I'll owe you for that pick if he wins. Good luck tomorrow.


Nice job cws, think you should have some profit somewhere in your tips.  ;applause; ;applause;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 17, 2013, 10:48:14 PM
Thanks Tonji. Pity Moreno decided to break up my party, but two out of four, and a double-up, isn't bad. Next stop, Liege.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2013, 11:16:18 PM
Liege-Bastogne-Liege. Sunday 21st.

(http://www.alexkehr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ONEV9440.jpeg)

(http://www.letour.com/PHOTOS/LBL/2013/100/PROFIL.png)

I have a copy of this photo in my office, always smile at who is looking at the photographer!, click to see the large image & spot it  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2013, 11:22:41 PM
Giro del Trentino stage 1a yesterday was a bizarre one. A group of breakaway riders stayed away, with winner Maxime Bouet having nearly a 7 minute lead over the main contenders. Seems as if the big teams looked to Sky to bring back the breakaway, & they decided to sit on. Can't see how Boutet can lose from here, he's a reasonable climber. Overall bets are pretty much dead  :(

Interest now is really to just to monitor the form of Wiggins, Nibali et al ahead of the Giro.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCF3DE-PiaY

Santambrogio looks sharp & strong, a good bet for stages & mountain jersey in the Giro.

Wiggins seemed comfortable & a match to Nibali in this stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 18, 2013, 02:03:38 AM
I agree. Santambrogio does look like a force to be reckoned with in the Giro. Unfortunately, he is not a great time-triallist, and will also suffer in the team time-trial, so I agree with you and will go for him in the King of the Mountains.

As for Trentino, I'm all at sea. I've got a fair amount on Nibali to win and change on Santambrogio to place. Sitting here now, I'm most confident in my Santambrogio bet.

Bouet gave everything yesterday and still finished 2'23 behind Siutsou. Even though today's mountain stage is not as taxing as yesterday's, I still see the pure climbers (read Wiggins, Nibali, Pozzovivo, Santambrogio, Evans, Rolland and Siutsou) putting some distance between themselves and the rest of the peloton. Whether they make up the gap to Bouet by Friday afternoon is one for the crystal ball. I'm guessing "yes".

Now, Siutsou won't be allowed to break again like he was yesterday. But he still has 29s on Wiggo, and 37s on Nibali. He won't lose that time today. Wiggins looks reasonably strong, and surprisingly Nibali failed to drop him on stage 2. Personally, I thought Nibali would try harder to shake the Sky man, but maybe he is saving something for the Giro. Santambrogio had a great last 2kms, but in my mind is too far off to threaten the lead (45s behind Siutsou/4:04 behind Bouet). Tomorrow's stage will suit a climber/descender like Cadel Evans, and if I didn't think a breakaway would have a chance here, I'd probably have a fiver on him e/w (14/1 @ Bet365 for anyone interested).

So, it all comes down to the final stage on Friday. A similar ending to yesterday, we'll probably get much the same result, minus the breakaway 8km from the finish. Who will win overall comes down to whether you think Bouet will hold his lead (he's talking about a podium place according to the press) or if he will be caught up in the next two days. Since I've already got two bets down, I'm going to be hedging with £10 on Siutsou to win the Giro del Trentino. Win-only, he is 7/1 @ Bet365. If you can get an e/w bet tomorrow for the same odds, jump at it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 18, 2013, 02:15:54 AM
PS. I got Siutsou for overall @ 8/1. So I celebrated by going £4 e/w (1-2-3) on Evans to win stage 3 @ 16/1 and £2 on Omar Fraile to win stage 3 @ 100/1. He finished 5th from last yesterday, which is waaaaaaaay below his standards. Can only figure he fancies his chances in today's stage. Txurukka had his go yesterday. It's Fraile's turn today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 18, 2013, 12:18:56 PM
I've written off Nibali at Trentino, plus he is down to ride LBL on sunday, so may be using the next few days as training?

Hoping Santambrogio can podium, we'll see.

No further bets for me on this, too distracted at work & with a little LBL research.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on April 18, 2013, 02:25:32 PM
Giro del Trentino stage 1a yesterday was a bizarre one. A group of breakaway riders stayed away, with winner Maxime Bouet having nearly a 7 minute lead over the main contenders. Seems as if the big teams looked to Sky to bring back the breakaway, & they decided to sit on. Can't see how Boutet can lose from here, he's a reasonable climber. Overall bets are pretty much dead  :(

Interest now is really to just to monitor the form of Wiggins, Nibali et al ahead of the Giro.

That's probably something Sky need to do more of. The other big teams been feeding off skys efforts at the head of the peleton for too long.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 18, 2013, 03:15:14 PM
Giro del Trentino stage 1a yesterday was a bizarre one. A group of breakaway riders stayed away, with winner Maxime Bouet having nearly a 7 minute lead over the main contenders. Seems as if the big teams looked to Sky to bring back the breakaway, & they decided to sit on. Can't see how Boutet can lose from here, he's a reasonable climber. Overall bets are pretty much dead  :(

Interest now is really to just to monitor the form of Wiggins, Nibali et al ahead of the Giro.

That's probably something Sky need to do more of. The other big teams been feeding off skys efforts at the head of the peleton for too long.

Good point vegas, probably a warning ahead of the Giro that Sky are no longing going to be assumed to pull the peloton along.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
I've written off Nibali at Trentino, plus he is down to ride LBL on sunday, so may be using the next few days as training?

Hoping Santambrogio can podium, we'll see.

No further bets for me on this, too distracted at work & with a little LBL research.



ohhhh looking good for Nibali & Santambrogio


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
I've written off Nibali at Trentino, plus he is down to ride LBL on sunday, so may be using the next few days as training?

Hoping Santambrogio can podium, we'll see.

No further bets for me on this, too distracted at work & with a little LBL research.



ohhhh looking good for Nibali & Santambrogio

 :) Nibali & Santambrogio 1st & 2nd overall.

That was a tougher stage than I thought & Bouet couldn't limit the time difference & takes 3rd.

Wiggins 5th after a mechanical.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 19, 2013, 03:29:27 PM
Giro del Trentino starts tomorrow. A 4 day race with 5 stages, includes a team time trial on day one.

Wiggins using this as a build up to the Giro, & is priced too short. His form is reported good in training, but full race shape? I have my doubts. The Sky team looks inexperienced, no Uran, Henao or Kiryienka (on the Giro team), they race in the Ardennes this week.

Will be backing Nibali at 7/2, hoping he's recovered from the cold picked up at Milan-Sanremo. Also the Astana team looks stronger than Sky, & can gain time in the TTT.

Also small EW on Mauro Santambrogio at 28/1, who had a great Tirreno-Adriatico.

Well done, Tonji. Wasn't that mechanical a nice surprise? Thanks for the tip.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 09:35:32 PM
Giro del Trentino starts tomorrow. A 4 day race with 5 stages, includes a team time trial on day one.

Wiggins using this as a build up to the Giro, & is priced too short. His form is reported good in training, but full race shape? I have my doubts. The Sky team looks inexperienced, no Uran, Henao or Kiryienka (on the Giro team), they race in the Ardennes this week.

Will be backing Nibali at 7/2, hoping he's recovered from the cold picked up at Milan-Sanremo. Also the Astana team looks stronger than Sky, & can gain time in the TTT.

Also small EW on Mauro Santambrogio at 28/1, who had a great Tirreno-Adriatico.

Well done, Tonji. Wasn't that mechanical a nice surprise? Thanks for the tip.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1uZ2M9f6Iw

How to fling a £12K bike across a road & park it  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
LBL a few thoughts, please chip in anyone.

I've already got Dan Martin EW @ 33/1, placed after his Catalunya win, now best 22/1. Happy with that, but he'll be well marked on Sunday.

Less happy with the 20/1 EW on Maxim Iglinskiy taken after Strade Bianche, now available at 33/1  ::) He was great last year at the Ardennes classics culminating in a win at LBL. This year not so hot, despite reasonable showing at Dwars Door Vlaanderen. He may be able to take advantage of the fact that his team mate Nibali will be well marked & get away, but a faint hope I think.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 10:14:37 PM
Simon Gerrans, after a good 3rd at Amstel Gold, he decided to sit out Fleche. Think this may be a wise move. Gerrans knows LBL really well having riden it 5 times, with a best of 6th, but always in the top 20. Saw 18/1 yesterday, looks like an ok bet for a rider in form & experienced. Team looks to be set up around him to get him to the final.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 10:44:41 PM
LBL is looking hard to predict as usual. Many of the teams have their top GT riders taking a shot, notably Froome & Nibali.

Sky looks a strong team, with options in Froome, Porte, Henao & Uran. But way one day races go at full gas for pretty much 90% of the race, & with positioning vital. Henao & Uran have better chances imo.

Astana & Nibali look a touch stronger than Sky with Iglinsky, Gasparotto & Fuglsang. Nibali was 2nd last year, 8th in 2011. Coming of the back of a win in Giro del Trentino, he'll be full of confidence. Think he's lacking some top end power, & with his season aim of the Giro a few weeks away will be not at his peak yet. But at 10/1? I'm dithering  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 10:55:54 PM
cws, any opinion on your man Carlos Betancur, can he repeat his Fleche performance?

Also had a look at Quintana, but can't see much to get behind him. Valverde rules in Movistar, particularly after Amstel.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2013, 11:00:04 PM
A couple of more considerations tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 20, 2013, 04:08:54 AM
Liege-Bastogne-Liege is such a hard race to predict, because it can end up two different ways. The last few years, the winner has been decided by the Roche aux Faucons (or Falcon's Rock), about 20km from the finish, with breakaway groups forming either on its 10% uphill gradient or its 8% descent. These small groups, consisting of only a handful of riders, then tend to fight it out for the victory over the last climb, the Cote de Saint-Nicholas (1.2km, 8.6%). This year, due to roadworks, there is no Falcon's Rock, only the longer, but more gentle, Colonster (2.4km, 6%). This means that for the first time in years, we could be looking at the second possibility: a bunch finish.

I am going to assume that this will be the most likely outcome, otherwise picking a winner will be next to impossible (although I have had a few banzai bets, just in case). I read somewhere that the climb up Saint-Nicholas was built for Philippe Gilbert. No doubt this is true. If, at the end of the day, it all comes down to 12 riders at the bottom of the hill, my money is on Gilbert. The truth is that he is in really good form at the moment. In the Amstel, he lost as soon as Kreuziger got away, but still powered up the Cauberg in 5th. In Fleche Wallone, he had a go, but the gradient was too much for him, and he couldn't maintain his burst of speed. Saint-Nicholas, on the other hand, is perfect for him, and there are only a few other punchers that will thrive on its slopes: Sagan, Valverde, Gerrans, Martin, and Uran. Note that I have not included Henao and Betancur in this list, as I feel they need something steeper to make best use of their talents.

Sagan (not really a puncher), as it turns out, is skipping the LBL (probably because he wouldn't be able to handle all the climbing). It's a pity, because the finish is ideal for him. Valverde and Gerrans have shown their form this season, and are both hungry for the Ardennes win denied them by Kreuziger. Martin has finished well in the LBL in the past, and was unlucky not to podium in the Fleche Wallone. With Froome and Henao sure to be marked men, I feel Uran has a great chance to slip off the front of the peloton, and he is a great sprinter to boot.

So how am I betting? Like Tonji, I've got an e/w bet on Martin @ 28/1 (best now 20/1) which I am quietly confident about. There's a small e/w banzai on Rui Costa @ 150/1 (given all the attention on Quintana and Valverde). And a small banzai on Uran to win @ 80/1. Seeing as Gerrans has dropped to 18/1, I've also had an e/w bet on him.

My main bet however is on Valverde and Gilbert. I am pretty certain that one of these two will win tomorrow, and so I am placing half my win stake on each @ 5/1, thereby ensuring a fairly safe return of 5/2. How much to bet depends on how confident you are that there will be a bunch finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 20, 2013, 12:09:32 PM
Cheers cws, great stuff.

Here's Cote de Saint-Nicholas

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIWZ7rVbHqA

Certainly does look like a Gilbert punchy climb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 20, 2013, 12:24:15 PM
Interesting comments from Sky's Richie Porte in the media

Quote
Making his debut in Liège-Bastogne-Liège after a first-time ride in Fleche Wallonne, Porte says he was perhaps "not really prepared for the amount of stress and the fight there was in the bunch at Fleche Wallonne. I'm guessing Liège is going to be much the same. What I've learned is that you don't come here the first time and win it. Usually the seasoned guys wins, guys that know every climb and every turn."

That'll be Gilbert, Valverde, Nibali & Rodriguez.

The case can be made for any of those four, but I've quit dithering & gone the oppostite of cws & have Nibali @ 10/1 FTW


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 20, 2013, 12:32:05 PM
Stand out performance in the Ardennes Classics this week has been OPQS young rider Michal Kwiatkowski. A 4th & 5th in Amstel & Fleche. Really souldn't have been a suprise as he had great showings earlier in the season. Hopefully his ante post race prices next season will remain attractive.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on April 21, 2013, 09:27:11 AM
hmmm, really interested in this just to see where everybody is form and race sharpness wise. So many quality riders in form this season, us fans are getting spoilt.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 21, 2013, 11:13:51 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIXOZCfCEAAr1IP.jpg:large)

50km gone, breakaway with a 3min gap.

Live on Eurosport at 1.15pm


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 21, 2013, 04:23:09 PM
CMON DAN


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 21, 2013, 04:23:55 PM
 ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: craigbetts on April 21, 2013, 04:24:31 PM
Thread delivers, again.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 21, 2013, 06:38:30 PM
Nice one, Tonji. Think you've got the Midas touch at the moment. I was hoping Rui Costa would do the unthinkable, but all in all, I think we were pretty nailed on with our selections. Only surprised by Betancur in 4th, and Gilbert settling once again for 7th.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 21, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
Nice one, Tonji. Think you've got the Midas touch at the moment. I was hoping Rui Costa would do the unthinkable, but all in all, I think we were pretty nailed on with our selections. Only surprised by Betancur in 4th, and Gilbert settling once again for 7th.

A mini rush. Needed it, results were sparse earlier in the season.

Two weeks til the Giro, with the Tour of Romandie on tuesday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 22, 2013, 09:37:16 PM
(http://www.tourderomandie.ch/images/homepage/visuel-min.jpg)

http://www.tourderomandie.ch/en/1-home

5 stages, starting with a 7.45km uphill prologue. Stage 4 is a mountainous with 4 category 1 climbs. Final stage 18km TT, relatively flat.

Sky Sports are taking the TV coverage so Chris Froome is under contract to win  :) followed by Richie Porte.

Battle for the final podium place I should imagine to be between Garmin's Talansky (2nd last year), Movistar's Valverde & Costa & OPQS's Tony Martin.

Outsiders, Katusha's Simon Spilak, he'll need to be in prime climbing form to gain time ahead of the final TT. Maybe Saxo-Bank's Roman Kreuziger can carry some of the Ardennes form into stage racing.

Cavendish is back in action, to fine tune his sprinting & to find some climbing rhythm ahead of the Giro.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 23, 2013, 03:55:31 AM
A few early thoughts on the Giro D'Italia:

The 2013 edition of the Giro is one for the time-triallists. Rumour has it that the organisers were keen to attract the winner of the Tour de France, and so designed a stage race that would suit Bradley Wiggins. That they have done. And unsurprisingly, when you look at the 93.5km of TT on offer, he is odds-on to win the red jersey. Second-favourite is Vincenzo Nibali, who is arguably a better climber than Wiggins, as well as more than useful in the time trial. Both riders have strong teams, Sky and Astana, who'll protect their leads through the flatter stages and see them through the TTT. There is no value in picking the winner of the Giro this year.

However, predicting the last place on the podium is a lot more interesting. The caveat here is that official startlists have not been issued yet, and so my predictions are based on those riders with widely-quoted odds (ie. it is likely they will be in the starting line-up).

Other than Wiggins and Nibali, there are no other proven TT riders in the field. I think I saw Phinney quoted somewhere, but he wouldn't last one day in the mountains. Porte is not certain to take part. Evans is past his best and won't threaten. Sanchez may surprise, but can't climb like he used to. And Hesjedal just about justifies his position as third-favourite. The rest (including Scarponi, Henao, Gesink and Uran), in my opinion, are mediocre at best (at time-trialling). Now the reason that this is interesting, is that when you're talking about 93.5km of cumulative TT, this could mean an advantage of as much as 12 minutes to a time triallist of Wiggins' ability. Maybe more. That is huge.

One name I haven't mentioned so far is Carlos Betancur. Users of this thread will probably know by now that I have an unhealthy obsession for this rider. Truth is, the kid can climb, and he should be there or thereabouts in the mountain stages, hopefully holding his own against Wiggins and Nibali over the Stelvio and Galibier. But can he time-trial? Not brilliantly, but he seems to be improving rapidly on that front, probably aware of the fact that it is a potential weakness. Recently, he finished 8th to Tony Martin in the Vuelta al Pais Vasco ITT, only about 20s behind Porte and Spilak over 24km. Unfortunately, he will lose time in the TTT (as AG2R are not the best in this discipline), but on the plus side he should be team leader now that Pozzovivo is injured.

We still don't know if he'll be taking part for sure, though. But at 250/1, I jumped on him e/w. He is now available @ 200/1 (888) and 150/1 (PP), and I recommend having a small (and obviously risky) bet e/w. If anything, he should give us a decent sweat. Hopefully, he won't use up all his energy in the Tour de Romandie starting tomorrow (more to follow...).

Another good rider at decent odds is Benat Intxausti @ 66/1. A decent TTist, he can climb as well, although I think he'll struggle to stay with the best in the field (Wiggins, Nibali, Basso, Hesjedal, Scarponi, Gesink, Uran and Betancur).

Also, if Michal Kwiatkowski announces that he will be doing the Giro, put your house on him to podium.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 23, 2013, 04:50:16 AM
The Tour de Romandie starts today, and you'd have to be a genius to pick the winner of this one. The two time-trial stages suggest that riders like Martin, Froome, Porte, Talansky, Valverde, Spilak, Peraud and Westra will have the advantage. But the queen stage on the fifth day (with four category 1 climbs) will throw other names into the mix: Costa, Rolland, Gesink, Basso, Betancur, Moreno and Danielson. Added to this is the fact that a lot of riders use the race to fine-tune for the Giro a week later, and so could take it relatively easy. This also leads to the potential for a breakaway to succeed. For all these reasons, I'm out.

But I'm also in. And that is because I like the look of the opening prologue, a 7.5km sprint up a category 3 climb. Having researched a fair number of time-trials for my previous Giro post, I'm going to put my knowledge to the test:

On paper, Tony Martin should win this stage. He is the best TT rider in the world, and he is in cracking form. For much the same reason, Porte should be second, and Froome/Talansky should round off the podium. But the short prologue TT is a strange beast, as the favourites often do not go full out on the first stage, the reason being that they have too much to lose (in an accident) and not enough to gain (time-wise). I predict that someone more motivated could upset the apple cart and put themselves on the podium in place of a marquee name. It just so happens that there is no shortage of time-trial talent in this year's Tour de Romandie (and e/w, there are some attractive prices). However, given that TTists prefer the flats, whether they survive the gradual climb over 7.5km is the million-dollar question. I have put money on all of the following (in order of preference):

Jean Christophe Peraud (33/1 @ Bet365) - great uphill TTist with 4th & 3rd in last 2 Nice-Col D'Eze (cat 1) ITT of Paris-Nice.
Adriano Malori (200/1) - IMO currently 2nd best TTist in the world under 10km on flat, behind Martin.
Manuelle Boaro (150/1) - 2nd to Porte, beat Froome (4) & Talansky (5) in 2013 Criterium ITT (7km).
Svein Tuft (250/1) - Canadian TT champion, 2013 Tour de San Luis ITT winner, good pedigree.
Marco Pinotti (200/1) - 5th in the 2012 Olympics ITT, 1st 2012 Giro d'Italia ITT, back from injury?

I'll let Fred decide how much exposure to take and how many to back (strongly recommend top three).



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 23, 2013, 10:23:24 AM
Fantastic write up cws. Like your work. I've taken your recommends. gl us

(http://www.tourderomandie.ch/images/etapes/00_deniv.png)

Prologue profile.

Start Times:
http://www.tourderomandie.ch/images/etapes/00_depart.pdf



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 23, 2013, 10:44:31 AM
Just for interest sake I've also taken a little EW on Talansky for the overall. 10/1 on skybet. Think that is a smidgen of value, as Porte looked a little flat in Ardennes & Talansky's Garmin team are on a bit of a high at the moment. Add in that he has been a winner for me this year & my new Illy coffee machine is just the best  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 23, 2013, 12:36:09 PM
Quote
One name I haven't mentioned so far is Carlos Betancur. Users of this thread will probably know by now that I have an unhealthy obsession for this rider. Truth is, the kid can climb, and he should be there or thereabouts in the mountain stages, hopefully holding his own against Wiggins and Nibali over the Stelvio and Galibier. But can he time-trial? Not brilliantly, but he seems to be improving rapidly on that front, probably aware of the fact that it is a potential weakness. Recently, he finished 8th to Tony Martin in the Vuelta al Pais Vasco ITT, only about 20s behind Porte and Spilak over 24km. Unfortunately, he will lose time in the TTT (as AG2R are not the best in this discipline), but on the plus side he should be team leader now that Pozzovivo is injured.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-betancur-and-pozzovivo-lead-ag2r-la-mondiale

Likely joint leaders. But certainly agree he'll be looking for an early win in the mountains.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 23, 2013, 04:58:05 PM
Terrible result in the prologue at the Tour de Romandie, with not one of my picks making the top 10. The gradient of the parcours definitely did not suit the pure time-triallists, which basically put paid to 4 of my selections. Was disappointed by Peraud's performance though, as he looked up for it at the beginning. Overall, no big surprises on the podium, with Kiserlowski impressing in 3rd place, in amongst Froome (1), Talansky (2) and Porte (4). No massive time gaps, but it looks like Froome's race to lose now. Oh well, what Daniel Martin giveth, cheapwetsuit taketh away.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 23, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
Just to add, Betancur really impressed in the prologue, and so my e/w recommend for the Giro still stands. And nice pick there with Talansky, Tonji. He really gave it everything.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 23, 2013, 05:36:25 PM
Terrible result in the prologue at the Tour de Romandie, with not one of my picks making the top 10. The gradient of the parcours definitely did not suit the pure time-triallists, which basically put paid to 4 of my selections. Was disappointed by Peraud's performance though, as he looked up for it at the beginning. Overall, no big surprises on the podium, with Kiserlowski impressing in 3rd place, in amongst Froome (1), Talansky (2) and Porte (4). No massive time gaps, but it looks like Froome's race to lose now. Oh well, what Daniel Martin giveth, cheapwetsuit taketh away.

no problems cws. I played it small ball. Onwards...

Busy week lined up here, so any stage info/thoughts most welcome. Hopefully I'll have some time over the weekend to look at the Giro more closely.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 23, 2013, 10:22:52 PM
A pretty good general introduction to the Giro.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHiiQM6B1T0


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 23, 2013, 10:26:26 PM
The official 2013 Giro d'Italia technical guide has been published.

There is a digitial version, in pdf format. 369 pages long  :)

http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2013/download/Garibaldi_2013.pdf


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 24, 2013, 03:22:06 PM
How the Spanish see us Brits!

From Joaquim Rodríguez's twitter: The first time ever in my life I'm in England!! Unbelievable that everybody I speak with looks like as if they had came out of Top Gear!! :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 24, 2013, 05:30:25 PM
Nice result there. 10km from the finish, Sky commentators said they couldn't see Mark Cavendish in the main peloton. So went to see the odds for the other sprinters, and was surprised to see Cavendish still shortening as favourite on Bet365. As low as 2/5 with no sight of him anywhere in the bunch. Of course I filled up with the other sprinters, and snagged Meersman at an incredible 24/1. At the same time, Betfair had Meersman at 4/1! Caught Bet365 napping, I think. Makes up for yesterday's debacle. I suggest keeping an eye on Meersman's Bet365 odds for tomorrow's stage ... another hilly affair. And listen to the commentators. :)

Also, StanJames still have Talansky @ 10/1 (e/w 1,2,3) and Porte @ 12/1 (e/w 1,2,3) for the overall. I decided to jump on board with both. Valverde seems the only one likely to threaten a Froome, Talansky, Porte 1-2-3.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 24, 2013, 06:11:08 PM
well done cws, 24/1   :o & I think he went off favourite.

Been too busy, only got Sky in the background.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 24, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
Team Sky have confirmed the Giro squad.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8668798,00.html

Pretty much as expected, full of climbers & diesels.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 24, 2013, 11:52:52 PM
(http://www.tourderomandie.ch/images/etapes/01_deniv.png)

Stage 3. Final climb looks tougher than todays, so fewer of the sprinters likely to make the finish. Meersman rightly favourite, but Francesco Gavazzi (6th today) should be his main challenger if it comes to a bunch sprint. 12/1 EW looks to have some value. Negative, stage profile makes it possible for a breakaway of riders with no overall hopes to stay away.





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 25, 2013, 12:46:41 AM
Oops. Think you're looking at the wrong stage Tonji. Today is stage 2 (don't forget the prologue). :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 25, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2013/tour-de-romandie/profile-02.png)

Stage 2 looks to be the flattest stage of the Tour de Romandie. It's hard to know what's going through Mark Cavendish's mind at the moment, but I don't believe that he's gone to Switzerland to stretch his legs. At the moment, he is 8/1 @ William Hill and 7/1 @ Paddy Power to win today's stage. These are incredible prices for the best sprinter in the world. I guarantee that if Cavendish makes it over the Plagne climb in the peloton, and there are no breakaways, then he will be in the mix at the end of the race. Plus, he now has something to prove. According to Meersman, Cavendish had a mechanical yesterday, and so instead of acting as leadout, Meersman became OPQS's chief sprinter. I've had £5 on Cavendish to win Stage 2 of the Tour de Romandie. Don't bother going e/w, as he rarely finishes second (unless there is a breakaway).


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 25, 2013, 09:31:26 AM
Oops. Think you're looking at the wrong stage Tonji. Today is stage 2 (don't forget the prologue). :)

Sigh, need a holiday  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 25, 2013, 11:58:05 AM
Ned Boulting On The Giro d'Italia 2013

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afeIAyK_uMo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 26, 2013, 10:27:12 PM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-04/Tour-de-Romandie-Stage-4-1365766563.jpg)

Stage 4. The queen stage. Forecast not great, shame, as on a bright sunny day the stage would look spectacular on TV.

Valverde probably sees this stage as his chance for yellow & to put Froome under pressure, particularly on the final descent where Froome has an apparent weakness.

Expect attacks from the teams of Pinot, Betancur, Gesink & van den Broeck to weaken any Sky attempts to control the stage.

Under the radar in this race is Simon Spilak. A past winner (by default), if he has the form of earlier in the month he could well feature. At 150/1, can't resist an interest, imo he should be 30-40/1.

With prices on Valverde & Froome being so short, there is good opportunities elsewhere, but will ponder over night.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 26, 2013, 11:05:54 PM
Ryder Hesjedal on twitter “Stopped today to give myself a week till Giro..same as last year except I feel better on the bike. #moreisnotalwaysbetter.”


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 27, 2013, 03:16:28 AM
Quote

Expect attacks from the teams of Pinot, Betancur, Gesink & van den Broeck to weaken any Sky attempts to control the stage.

Under the radar in this race is Simon Spilak. A past winner (by default), if he has the form of earlier in the month he could well feature. At 150/1, can't resist an interest, imo he should be 30-40/1.

With prices on Valverde & Froome being so short, there is good opportunities elsewhere, but will ponder over night.


Obviously I've gone for Betancur in this. Lousy odds of 15/1 though. Slightly better priced is Damiano Cunego @ 33/1 (Bet365). Apparently he is quite handy at descending. I also like your Spilak tip, and will be hoping for a good showing from him. All e/w.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 27, 2013, 11:07:16 AM
Tour de Romandie route changed because of bad weather. The finish.

(https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2NtOG9xNS5qcGcUsAQUrAIAFgASAA&s=HUBXpwfBM7GBk-KgQWJMLrStd1oXsB1YX-jAI1BLliA)

Not good for Valverde, but better for Betancur, Pinot & Froome.

Have gone for cws's Betancur.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 27, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
So todays stage now looks like this

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-04/Tour-de-Romandie-Stage-4-1367056449.jpg)

with the high point, the Col de la Croix, looking very wintery

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BI2Zx42CQAAsoiz.jpg)

Chances of the Giro riders, including Betancur, pulling off if conditions are particularly tough. We'll see.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 27, 2013, 03:04:27 PM
Great form continues ahead of the Giro for Santambrogio winning GP Industria Artigianato-Larciano.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 27, 2013, 04:17:18 PM
Tonji, you are a legend. Would you mind giving me the Lotto numbers for tonight's draw?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 27, 2013, 04:31:18 PM
Tonji, you are a legend. Would you mind giving me the Lotto numbers for tonight's draw?

Love it when a plan comes together  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 28, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
No bet for me in the ITT. Tony Martin is too good, but todays breakaway may have it effects tomorrow. Adriano Malori or Svein Tuft may come close.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on April 28, 2013, 03:55:59 AM
I agree with you that in a win-only market, Tony Martin is too good to oppose in the time trial, so I'm waiting for later today in the hope that one or two bookies introduce an e/w market. Talansky at 250/1 (SkyBet) would then be impossible to resist. Adriano Malori @ 13/2 and Svein Tuft @ 15/1 don't represent nearly enough value, even though Malori should be in the mix come the end of the day. Saying that, I might be tempted to put a few quid on Manuelle Boaro, as he has been the one pure TTist that has impressed me thus far in the Tour de Romandie. At 40/1, he represents a bit of value given his 16th place finish in the prologue (which did not suit him), and his propensity to attack the peloton. Then again, I might just leave it alone.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 29, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
Giro d’Italia 2013. 4-26 May.

(http://static.suipedali.it/625X0/www/suipedali/it/img/Giro-dItalia-2013-squadre.jpg)

To me summer has arrived with the first of the seasons three Grand Tours. I've always associated each tour with an actress. The Giro is Isabella Rossellini, eccentric, beautiful, passionate & a little bit nuts!

(http://pleasurephotoroom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/isabella-rossellini-photo-terry-o_neill-1984.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 29, 2013, 09:24:55 PM
(http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2011/en/Comunicati/2013/04/24/EN_GIRO_Contenders.jpg)

Sir Wiggo, bookies make him favourite. Personally I have him joint favourite with Nibali. The volume on Wiggins has probably shortened his price.

This years lead up to the Giro could not have been more different to last year ahead of the Tour, where he won everything. The Sky training philosophy for the Giro has been altered specifally.

This article in Guardian explains well the work & methods of Wiggins coach Tim Kerrison. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/27/bradley-wiggins-giro-tim-kerrison

Over the past year or so Sky have dominated in stage races. Using the Sky train to strangle the life out of the peloton. I think they understand the difference between the TdF & the Giro, with it's steeper climbs & more open attacking racing. Hence the need for Wiggins to be able to defend or attack if necessary by himself when isolated on the final climbs. The Sky team is packed strong, packed with climbers & diesels. But ultimately Wiggins will have to suffer on his own when the race will inevitably fracture on the approach to the summits in the final week.

Stage 8, a 54.km ITT, will be the first objective to gain as much time as possible into his rivals. He'll be looking for minutes not seconds.

The final week with four big mountain stages & a mountain ITT will be where the race is won or lost.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 29, 2013, 10:09:25 PM
Vincenzo Nibali (Astana). The 28 year old Italian, has won the Vuelta, 3rd in the TdF & two top 3 finishes in the Giro. He is desperate to win this, & probably thinks this year is his best chance with only Wiggins standing in his way.

His form in the lead up has been pretty impressive. Winning Tirreno-Adriatico & Giro del Trentino.

Head to head against Wiggins, the career stats give Nibali a slight edge. Although recent results will swing it back in favour of Wiggins.

Nibali's perceived weakness will be in the ITT. Last year in two 50km+ time trials he lost over 3 minutes each to time to Wiggins. This season he has ridden two shorter ones & seems to have found some improvement. Any loses of much more than 3 minutes in the Giro ITT will, I think, be considered a blow to his overall chances.

His Astana looks equally as strong for the mountains as the Sky team. With Fredrik Kessiakoff as his super domestique & the talented young climber Fabio Aru to provide the final lead out in the mountains. Janez Brajkovic, Paolo Tiralongo & Alessandro Vanotti have a wealth of Grand Tour experience to back him up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 30, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Some quotes from Wiggins at yesterdays press conference.

On Nibali. “I’ve studied him; I watched him closely in Trentino. He’s difficult to read: he doesn’t bluff, but he doesn’t show any emotion. He’s very crafty."

“There’s a lot at stake for him in this race. He’s the big Italian favorite and he’s trained for this. This is his event, his one big race.”

On the race: “But because of the things we’ve been doing this year, I’ve got more confidence, more belief in my climbing ability. I still don’t know at this stage whether I will stay with Nibali on some of those tough finishes, the real steep ones, but I know I will certainly not lose more than a handful of time — [it will be] seconds here and there, maybe 20 seconds if I’m on a bad day.

“But I’m pretty confident I can stay with him whatever he throws at me. That’s all I have to do, really, because I’m confident in time trials. From what I’ve seen, I can beat him. Looking back, I beat him by 6 minutes, 19 seconds at the Tour last year. Which is quite a lot. I only have to win the Giro by one second.”


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 30, 2013, 09:13:21 PM
Ryder Hesjedal was last years surprise winner. I think his odds pre race were in the region of 50/1. This year he's at 10/1.

A bit of an enigma is Ryder, he does his own thing. He disappears in the winter to Hawaii & returns to Girona in Spain for the race season. He builds slowly in performance for one objective, the overall results pre the Giro matter not one jot. This season has seen only the briefest of glimpses of potential form. Noteably his breakaway ride in Liège - Bastogne - Liège in support of Dan Martin. 2012 followed a similar build up, so who knows what level he will be at the start. Comments to the media after Romandie suggest he feels his form is better than last year.

This years Giro will be a tougher race. I think to make the podium will be tougher than last years win. His Garmin team has not yet confirmed their full rider lineup, but will include plenty of experienced riders including the veteran Christian Vande Velde.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 30, 2013, 09:45:57 PM
Samuel Sanchez (Euskaltel - Euskadi). The Spaniard is now 35 & his last appearance at the Giro was in 2005.

2013 season start has not seen anything to suggest he'll be a contender for top 3. However, a fine 2nd in stage 5 of the Tour of the Basque Country shows on his day he still has the potential to be in the final overall mix. Top 5 is only possible if he finds the early season form he seemed to have last year before his crash in the TdF.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 30, 2013, 10:05:15 PM
Another veteran looking to finish off his career with a final tilt at a GT podium is Cadel Evans.

It was a late decision from Evans to come to the Giro, & to also ride the TdF. Strange one that for a rider at the end of his career. Not sure what to make of it really. Is the Giro a build up for the TdF?

An up & down start to the season, has seen a promising start with a podium at Oman. Followed a lacklustre showing at Tirreno & Critérium International, & finally glimpses of the gritty performances of old at Trentino.

The BMC team although not confirmed yet, look to be short in experienced climbers for the mountains. 3rd spot on the podium is a possibility, but it will be a hell of an achievement, probably gained by his dogged determination & single minded approach to racing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 30, 2013, 10:24:40 PM
Next up, the Italian Michele Scarponi (Lampre). A previous winner (by default with the exclusion of Contador) in 2011, & 4th in 2012.

He will need to have the the climbing form he had in 2011 as he is likely to lose 3 minutes plus in the ITT. He'll be looking at the final week in the mountain stages to move up the overall GC standings. This season has seen some solid form in Catalunya particularly. Top 5, with a decent shot of the podium.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 01, 2013, 04:04:57 AM
Loving the write-ups on the Giro contenders, Tonji. Keep them coming.

I've been interested by the odds offered by BetVictor on the Team Classification result. They have Sky favourite @ 1.95 and Astana second @ 2.88, with the rest of the teams apparently out of contention. According to WikiPedia, "in the Trofeo Fast Team classification, the times of the best three cyclists per team on each stage are added; the leading team is the team with the lowest total time". This would suggest, given the profile of this year's Giro parcours, that the team with the 3 best climbers and the 3 best TTists, will win the team classification. Although Sky and Astana definitely have claims, I do not think they deserve to be such overwhelming favourites. In fact, given Sky's siege tactics, their best climbers are more than likely to lose time to other teams in the mountain stages by first giving their all for Wiggins, and then by tactically slowing down the chasing pack. I can just as easily see teams like Blanco @ 14/1 (Kelderman (C/T), Kruijswijk (C/T), Gesink (C), Clement (T)) and Movistar @ 18/1 (Intxausti (C/T), Herrada (C), Dowsett (T), Cobo (C)) challenging for honours.

What are your thoughts?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 01, 2013, 09:32:11 AM
Loving the write-ups on the Giro contenders, Tonji. Keep them coming.

I've been interested by the odds offered by BetVictor on the Team Classification result. They have Sky favourite @ 1.95 and Astana second @ 2.88, with the rest of the teams apparently out of contention. According to WikiPedia, "in the Trofeo Fast Team classification, the times of the best three cyclists per team on each stage are added; the leading team is the team with the lowest total time". This would suggest, given the profile of this year's Giro parcours, that the team with the 3 best climbers and the 3 best TTists, will win the team classification. Although Sky and Astana definitely have claims, I do not think they deserve to be such overwhelming favourites. In fact, given Sky's siege tactics, their best climbers are more than likely to lose time to other teams in the mountain stages by first giving their all for Wiggins, and then by tactically slowing down the chasing pack. I can just as easily see teams like Blanco @ 14/1 (Kelderman (C/T), Kruijswijk (C/T), Gesink (C), Clement (T)) and Movistar @ 18/1 (Intxausti (C/T), Herrada (C), Dowsett (T), Cobo (C)) challenging for honours.

What are your thoughts?

Not had a look at the team classification. I don't disagree with your thoughts. Worth checking the regulations http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2012/en/Regulation.pdf as there seems to a team classification by points & time.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 02, 2013, 11:30:15 AM
Heck, got a busy day. But over breakfast had a look at

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-d-italia/top-10-finish

Steven Kruijswijk 8/1 with PP. He was 8th in 2011. An improving rider, solid in the mountains. He will be supporting Robert Gesink, one of the most unpredictable GC contenders. Blanco need a good showing. A touch of value.

Tom Danielson again PP are out of line @ 8/1. He is a regular top 10 finisher in stage races. 4th in Romandie, he has some form coming into the Giro.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 02, 2013, 09:51:15 PM
Heck, got a busy day. But over breakfast had a look at

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-d-italia/top-10-finish

Steven Kruijswijk 8/1 with PP. He was 8th in 2011. An improving rider, solid in the mountains. He will be supporting Robert Gesink, one of the most unpredictable GC contenders. Blanco need a good showing. A touch of value.

Tom Danielson again PP are out of line @ 8/1. He is a regular top 10 finisher in stage races. 4th in Romandie, he has some form coming into the Giro.

price disappeared sharpish


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 02, 2013, 10:06:50 PM
Been looking at the King of the Mountains betting

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-d-italia/king-of-the-mountains

My initial thoughts centred around Mauro Santambrogio. But after seeing the Vini Fantini team lineup including Stefano Garzelli & Matteo Rabottini, I've changed my thinking. Santambrogio has talked in the media about looking for a high placing in the overall. So it's possible his team mates will be called upon to support him. That lessens the chances of them getting into early breakaways & racking up points in the mountain stages.

Need a rethink


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 02, 2013, 10:54:03 PM
Stefano Pirazzi & his Bardiani Valvole team look to have set up with the goal of KOM jersey. Pirazzi was 2nd in that classification in 2012, seems to have reasonable form this year so 5/1 seems a fair price.

But I also think there is some EW value. 

Gianluca Brambilla (OPQS). With Cavendish looking for stage wins & the points jersey. Brambilla a climber will be given a free reign in the mountains to have a tilt at the KOM. The young Italian has some excellent experience of the Giro. In 2011 he was 4th in KOM on his first visit. 2012 he was 3rd in the young rider & 13th overall. He did not feature in the mountains class because he was riding in support of Prazzi & Pozzovivo. This season he seems to have been under raced, but I'm not so concerned as 2011 followed a similar pattern. Available at 80/1. In my mind he should be a 20/1 shot.

Finally the Team Columbia have come to light up the mountain stages with their traditional long range attacks. Two names in the frame, John Darwin Atapuma & Fabio Andres Duarte. Not much to choose between the two, but Atapuma looks to edge it in recent form. 22/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 03, 2013, 06:30:09 PM
Loving the write-ups on the Giro contenders, Tonji. Keep them coming.

I've been interested by the odds offered by BetVictor on the Team Classification result. They have Sky favourite @ 1.95 and Astana second @ 2.88, with the rest of the teams apparently out of contention. According to WikiPedia, "in the Trofeo Fast Team classification, the times of the best three cyclists per team on each stage are added; the leading team is the team with the lowest total time". This would suggest, given the profile of this year's Giro parcours, that the team with the 3 best climbers and the 3 best TTists, will win the team classification. Although Sky and Astana definitely have claims, I do not think they deserve to be such overwhelming favourites. In fact, given Sky's siege tactics, their best climbers are more than likely to lose time to other teams in the mountain stages by first giving their all for Wiggins, and then by tactically slowing down the chasing pack. I can just as easily see teams like Blanco @ 14/1 (Kelderman (C/T), Kruijswijk (C/T), Gesink (C), Clement (T)) and Movistar @ 18/1 (Intxausti (C/T), Herrada (C), Dowsett (T), Cobo (C)) challenging for honours.

What are your thoughts?

Not had a look at the team classification. I don't disagree with your thoughts. Worth checking the regulations http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2012/en/Regulation.pdf as there seems to a team classification by points & time.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-d-italia/team-classification

Did you take the earlier prices cws?

I'm also thinking Garmin?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 03, 2013, 08:04:43 PM
Loving the write-ups on the Giro contenders, Tonji. Keep them coming.

I've been interested by the odds offered by BetVictor on the Team Classification result. They have Sky favourite @ 1.95 and Astana second @ 2.88, with the rest of the teams apparently out of contention. According to WikiPedia, "in the Trofeo Fast Team classification, the times of the best three cyclists per team on each stage are added; the leading team is the team with the lowest total time". This would suggest, given the profile of this year's Giro parcours, that the team with the 3 best climbers and the 3 best TTists, will win the team classification. Although Sky and Astana definitely have claims, I do not think they deserve to be such overwhelming favourites. In fact, given Sky's siege tactics, their best climbers are more than likely to lose time to other teams in the mountain stages by first giving their all for Wiggins, and then by tactically slowing down the chasing pack. I can just as easily see teams like Blanco @ 14/1 (Kelderman (C/T), Kruijswijk (C/T), Gesink (C), Clement (T)) and Movistar @ 18/1 (Intxausti (C/T), Herrada (C), Dowsett (T), Cobo (C)) challenging for honours.

What are your thoughts?

Not had a look at the team classification. I don't disagree with your thoughts. Worth checking the regulations http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2012/en/Regulation.pdf as there seems to a team classification by points & time.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-d-italia/team-classification

Did you take the earlier prices cws?

I'm also thinking Garmin?

Quote from Movistar's Pablo Lastras in the Spanish media "The goal is to do as in 2011 and 2012: get wins, do a top ten and winning the team classification"

Good enough for me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 03, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
Giro d'Italia 2013: Insight in the first week

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqfjwH_9vpY



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 04, 2013, 12:08:59 AM
Stage 1.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ27J3AWM2g

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-1/winner

Can't see past Cav winning, although the first stage is always nervous & the potential for crashes is higher in the first week.

Goss & Degenkolb, both have teams that will be able to provide a final lead out.

Outsiders, Sacha Modolo. He beat Cav in the early season Tour de San Luis. Mattia Gavazzi a winner in the warm up race Giro della Toscana.

Banzai outsider. Taylor Phinney is a better sprinter than 150/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 04, 2013, 02:32:30 AM
Loving the write-ups on the Giro contenders, Tonji. Keep them coming.

I've been interested by the odds offered by BetVictor on the Team Classification result. They have Sky favourite @ 1.95 and Astana second @ 2.88, with the rest of the teams apparently out of contention. According to WikiPedia, "in the Trofeo Fast Team classification, the times of the best three cyclists per team on each stage are added; the leading team is the team with the lowest total time". This would suggest, given the profile of this year's Giro parcours, that the team with the 3 best climbers and the 3 best TTists, will win the team classification. Although Sky and Astana definitely have claims, I do not think they deserve to be such overwhelming favourites. In fact, given Sky's siege tactics, their best climbers are more than likely to lose time to other teams in the mountain stages by first giving their all for Wiggins, and then by tactically slowing down the chasing pack. I can just as easily see teams like Blanco @ 14/1 (Kelderman (C/T), Kruijswijk (C/T), Gesink (C), Clement (T)) and Movistar @ 18/1 (Intxausti (C/T), Herrada (C), Dowsett (T), Cobo (C)) challenging for honours.

What are your thoughts?

Not had a look at the team classification. I don't disagree with your thoughts. Worth checking the regulations http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2012/en/Regulation.pdf as there seems to a team classification by points & time.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-d-italia/team-classification

Did you take the earlier prices cws?

I'm also thinking Garmin?

Quote from Movistar's Pablo Lastras in the Spanish media "The goal is to do as in 2011 and 2012: get wins, do a top ten and winning the team classification"

Good enough for me.

I ended up taking the price offered on Blanco. In the case of Movistar, I've rationalised that they've committed too few of their leading lights to the Giro to demonstrate a serious conviction for team classification honours. Just one of Valverde, Quintana, Castroviejo or Costa would have made all the difference. In previous years, they've had a stronger team.

As for Garmin, the more I look at them, the more I think they look like the only team in the tour with no weak links. They're best @ 12/1 at the moment (10/1 on any of my accounts). I'd like a little more to convince me to take the plunge. Definitely think that you should.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 04, 2013, 03:27:20 AM
Stage 1.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-1/winner

Can't see past Cav winning, although the first stage is always nervous & the potential for crashes is higher in the first week.

Goss & Degenkolb, both have teams that will be able to provide a final lead out.

Outsiders, Sacha Modolo. He beat Cav in the early season Tour de San Luis. Mattia Gavazzi a winner in the warm up race Giro della Toscana.

Banzai outsider. Taylor Phinney is a better sprinter than 150/1.

Hmmmmm. I wasn't going to bet on today's cavalry charge, but if you're picking Phinney, I'm going to go for Robbie Hunter e/w @ 125/1. Defo a better sprinter than the price suggests.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 04, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
Loving the write-ups on the Giro contenders, Tonji. Keep them coming.

I've been interested by the odds offered by BetVictor on the Team Classification result. They have Sky favourite @ 1.95 and Astana second @ 2.88, with the rest of the teams apparently out of contention. According to WikiPedia, "in the Trofeo Fast Team classification, the times of the best three cyclists per team on each stage are added; the leading team is the team with the lowest total time". This would suggest, given the profile of this year's Giro parcours, that the team with the 3 best climbers and the 3 best TTists, will win the team classification. Although Sky and Astana definitely have claims, I do not think they deserve to be such overwhelming favourites. In fact, given Sky's siege tactics, their best climbers are more than likely to lose time to other teams in the mountain stages by first giving their all for Wiggins, and then by tactically slowing down the chasing pack. I can just as easily see teams like Blanco @ 14/1 (Kelderman (C/T), Kruijswijk (C/T), Gesink (C), Clement (T)) and Movistar @ 18/1 (Intxausti (C/T), Herrada (C), Dowsett (T), Cobo (C)) challenging for honours.

What are your thoughts?

Not had a look at the team classification. I don't disagree with your thoughts. Worth checking the regulations http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2012/en/Regulation.pdf as there seems to a team classification by points & time.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-d-italia/team-classification

Did you take the earlier prices cws?

I'm also thinking Garmin?

Quote from Movistar's Pablo Lastras in the Spanish media "The goal is to do as in 2011 and 2012: get wins, do a top ten and winning the team classification"

Good enough for me.

I ended up taking the price offered on Blanco. In the case of Movistar, I've rationalised that they've committed too few of their leading lights to the Giro to demonstrate a serious conviction for team classification honours. Just one of Valverde, Quintana, Castroviejo or Costa would have made all the difference. In previous years, they've had a stronger team.

As for Garmin, the more I look at them, the more I think they look like the only team in the tour with no weak links. They're best @ 12/1 at the moment (10/1 on any of my accounts). I'd like a little more to convince me to take the plunge. Definitely think that you should.

Yep, I went Movistar & Garmin, 14/1 & 10/1.

Also like your Blanco bet, but wanted just two against the favourites.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 04, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
Stage 1.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-1/winner

Can't see past Cav winning, although the first stage is always nervous & the potential for crashes is higher in the first week.

Goss & Degenkolb, both have teams that will be able to provide a final lead out.

Outsiders, Sacha Modolo. He beat Cav in the early season Tour de San Luis. Mattia Gavazzi a winner in the warm up race Giro della Toscana.

Banzai outsider. Taylor Phinney is a better sprinter than 150/1.

Hmmmmm. I wasn't going to bet on today's cavalry charge, but if you're picking Phinney, I'm going to go for Robbie Hunter e/w @ 125/1. Defo a better sprinter than the price suggests.

That's the joy Cycling betting. You can have a short priced favourite, but so many scenarios are possible. Run the stage 100 times & you'd get 20 different winners.

I initially also thought a no bet stage, but looking at the prices I had to get involved.

Your bet on Robbie Hunter 125/1, I'd expect in the region of 30/1. Phinney again I'd think 30/1 is a fair price.

Good luck us  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 04, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2013/giro-d-italia/pre-race-photos/page-03/200-PIC363382529.jpg)

Looking lean & mean at yesterdays Team Presentation. I hope Brad wins, I'm a fan, but have some lingering doubts.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 04, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
Cav post race interview  :D

http://video.eurosport.se/cykel/giro-d-italia/2013/etappvinnarens-groda-fuck-this-is-this-live_vid275969/video.shtml


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 05, 2013, 11:21:07 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w_umi1uumc

Many of the teams have not done a full recon of the stage. Their first look will be this morning.

Technical & tricky in parts a small mistake will be costly, especially as 20 seconds or so will likely separate the top 5 teams.

Sky, Garmin, OGE & BMC are generally the better prepared teams for TTT. I don't see an awful lot of difference between them. I've gone for BMC, they start 3rd to last after their main rivals gaining a little advantage. In the betting 10/1 seems some value.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 05, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
The guys at GCN are following some of the young riders at the Giro.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul8ZOPjecJc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 06, 2013, 10:16:53 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpujqv76xbQ

Stage 3. My picks.

Nacer Bouhanni ftw.

Luca Paolini top 3.

Giacomo Nizzolo, outsider.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 06, 2013, 11:30:06 AM
There are so many riders in the peloton capable of winning this sort of stage that I'm not going to bother trying to whittle it down to a select few. Any one of your selections, Tonji, could do the necessary today. Nonetheless, I have had a fun little bet on Betfair's place market, where I've plumped for Vicioso and Wyss, but I'm not expecting anything back. You'll be hearing a lot more from me when the Giro hits the mountains.

As for yesterday's TTT, the major disappointment for me was the performance of Betancur and his AG2R team. But this was more than made up for by the great ride by Vini Fantini and Santambrogio. I think I might be filling up with more Mauro later today ;) Also, Garmin should really have done better, but Blanco turned in a solid time. Movistar were the most impressive, but I've somehow managed to swerve them in the Team Classification (although I've got Intxausti to podium). Pity about Cobo getting injured, though, as it might hurt their overall chances.

By the way, I think your Spilak pick has gotten me restricted on PaddyPower!?!  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 06, 2013, 11:31:19 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aorAionRUTA

Sky still keep pushing the boundaries of technology in cycling. The aero skin suits worn yesterday looked to have moulded aero foils on the back.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 06, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
There are so many riders in the peloton capable of winning this sort of stage that I'm not going to bother trying to whittle it down to a select few. Any one of your selections, Tonji, could do the necessary today. Nonetheless, I have had a fun little bet on Betfair's place market, where I've plumped for Vicioso and Wyss, but I'm not expecting anything back. You'll be hearing a lot more from me when the Giro hits the mountains.

As for yesterday's TTT, the major disappointment for me was the performance of Betancur and his AG2R team. But this was more than made up for by the great ride by Vini Fantini and Santambrogio. I think I might be filling up with more Mauro later today ;) Also, Garmin should really have done better, but Blanco turned in a solid time. Movistar were the most impressive, but I've somehow managed to swerve them in the Team Classification (although I've got Intxausti to podium). Pity about Cobo getting injured, though, as it might hurt their overall chances.

By the way, I think your Spilak pick has gotten me restricted on PaddyPower!?!  ;carlocitrone;

Hi cws

I didn't see yesterday live. Disappointed in BMC was hoping for better, not sure what happened there.

Liking the Movistar performance, it shows their ambition for the team classification at least. But early days.

The Spilak coup for me was with 365. I tend to spread cycling bets across 365, PP, Sky, Laddies & Unibet, not always taking the best price.

Todays stage bets was an hour research this morning over breakfast, not ideal....never enough time in the day with running my own business.

Keep your views coming cws, always interested.

Good luck.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 06, 2013, 04:42:40 PM
Luca, bravo

What a fabulous stage. Love the attacking racing & bombing down the descents.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 06, 2013, 06:15:46 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5W67iqRydE

highlights


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 06, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
(http://gallery.mailchimp.com/823d3a40b51c82f60f316baa5/images/6.jpg)

Stunning photo from today on the Amalfi Coast. I wanna go there.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 06, 2013, 11:07:43 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d1dOjHAjqg

The longest stage of the race, with a tough finish. I'm expecting a group of 20 or so riders to contest the finish.

Favourite: Mauro Santambrogio. His form still looks to be 100% & he must be confident of a high finish in the overall. Showed today he can mix it with the big name GC contenders & has a nifty turn of speed in a sprint. Almost certainly a stage he & his team have designs on winning. 6/1 available in a few spots.

Top 3 pick: Giampaolo Caruso team mate of Paolini, in good form, he could follow Luca's tactic today & attempt a solo break sometime on the final climb. 33/1 best price.

Outsider: Sky won't defend too strongly if a breakaway gets away with some riders that will not trouble the GC. I think this stage may see the Bardiani Valvole team try to nick a stage win. Stefano Pirazzi will be the go to man, 2.45 down on GC, he may get the opportunity. 33/1.

Banzai outsider: Przemyslaw Niemiec. Lampre are now likely to be looking for stage wins with Scarponi's crash today. Niemiec is an ideal rider for this stage so long as he has retained the form he showed in Trentino & Catalunya. 100/1 with our friends at PP  ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 07, 2013, 03:39:40 AM
Well done, Tonji. Once again, knowledge is king. Apparently, according to post-race reports, Luca Paolini is a fantastic descender. Obviously this information would have been useful to know beforehand. Watching the highlights, I thought he might clip his head on someone's house, he was gripping those downhill corners so tightly.

It also goes to show that there's money to be made in this cycling game when the stage favourite, Bouhanni, finishes in the last group, 20 minutes behind the winner. To celebrate your run of results, I've maxed out on Niemiec ... a whopping £1.68 e/w. If he comes in, I will surely have my account closed down :) n1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 07, 2013, 03:59:31 AM
I know I said that I would be putting more money on Santambrogio to podium, but after seeing Intxausti @ 100/1 (to win overall) with Betfred and BetVictor, I've had a slight change of heart. At this early stage of the Giro, Hesjedal looks to be the safe bet for 3rd place. However, I rate Intxausti as being just as capable a climber and time-triallist as the Canadian, and therefore have to jump all over the price offered. I just figure Santambrogio to lose too much time to the other overall contenders over the ITTs. Then again, I will probably eat my words after Mauro storms to victory tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 07, 2013, 08:17:02 PM
Well done, Tonji. Once again, knowledge is king. Apparently, according to post-race reports, Luca Paolini is a fantastic descender. Obviously this information would have been useful to know beforehand. Watching the highlights, I thought he might clip his head on someone's house, he was gripping those downhill corners so tightly.

It also goes to show that there's money to be made in this cycling game when the stage favourite, Bouhanni, finishes in the last group, 20 minutes behind the winner. To celebrate your run of results, I've maxed out on Niemiec ... a whopping £1.68 e/w. If he comes in, I will surely have my account closed down :) n1

Close today, well ish!

Bardiani Valvole did get their win, but not with Pirazzi, who did attempt a breakaway, but was never likely to succeed. Others also were in the finishing bunch. But never really a sweat.

Value to be had, particularly in stage racing, the winner & 2nd started at over 50/1. Just needs research to find the edge against the bookies, & a good dose of luck.

Bouhanni again dragging in 17 mins down, either saving himself or just not feeling it?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 07, 2013, 08:27:18 PM
I know I said that I would be putting more money on Santambrogio to podium, but after seeing Intxausti @ 100/1 (to win overall) with Betfred and BetVictor, I've had a slight change of heart. At this early stage of the Giro, Hesjedal looks to be the safe bet for 3rd place. However, I rate Intxausti as being just as capable a climber and time-triallist as the Canadian, and therefore have to jump all over the price offered. I just figure Santambrogio to lose too much time to the other overall contenders over the ITTs. Then again, I will probably eat my words after Mauro storms to victory tomorrow.

Betting wise, I've not really looked at the overall since the start. I think I got, like yourself a small EW on Betancur. Some interest in the KOM, but that will play out in the final week I think. Team classification with Movistar & Garmin. Top 10 with Danielson.

Agree re Santambrogio, I think top 10 & one or two stage wins is the best he can hope for. I fear the tough stages ahead & even tougher last week could blunt his form. We'll see.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 07, 2013, 10:50:24 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhWxVNWxg8

Stage 5.

Conundrum for this stage is if Cavendish & the other big sprinters can get over the final climbs. All of which trundled in 17 mins or so down today. Bookies had Cav at 3/1 early but has drifted to 16/1. Frankly I don't have a view yet, tomorrow morning may yield more info but I'm unlikely to be around then.

Only bet for me. Oscar Gatto, purely on price 100/1 EW, & the finish at first glance looks to have the parcours of a one day classic, in which he has had some useful results in this year.

Prices could change dramatically if positive noises come from the sprinter teams & the weather is warm & dry. Also of note, OPQS, OGE & Argos - Shimano riders looked to be saving energy today. Cav wants the red points jersey back, but certainly stage 6 will be better for him.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 08, 2013, 10:07:14 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO2Wuawfcb8

Stage 6.

Likely/certainly a bunch sprint, baring crashes.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-6/winner

Cav too short as expected.

EW bet for me is Mattia Gavazzi, 28/1. He has been pedaling at the back of the race, in fact he is plum last overall. I'm hoping he has been saving his energy for this stage after missing out in stage 1 having been caught in the crash.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 09, 2013, 11:45:12 AM
How some of the young riders are getting on.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM_5ju1miR4


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 09, 2013, 06:03:50 PM
EW bet for me is Mattia Gavazzi, 28/1. He has been pedaling at the back of the race, in fact he is plum last overall. I'm hoping he has been saving his energy for this stage after missing out in stage 1 having been caught in the crash.

He saved a bit, but not enough. 5th


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 09, 2013, 10:36:59 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujhWkJhErAk

Stage 7.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-04/Giro-dItalia-Stage-7-1366543534.jpg)

Heck, this stage is difficult to call. If it was a one day race Nibali would be favourite imo. But he is hampered by the following days TT, however he may have the opportunity late on if Wiggins gets isolated on the final climbs. Hesjedal & Evans may also fancy this stage to put the other GC riders under pressure.

Equally a good chance of breakaway succeeding is on the cards. Dilemmas a plenty.

Only bet at the moment is Rubiano Chavez. He is a specialist on this type of parcours. He happily rolled in 6 minutes down today, a good sign perhaps that stage 7 is a target.

More pondering needed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 10, 2013, 12:27:18 AM
Samuel Sanchez is probably only now looking for stage wins. Over a minute behind. This stage looks as good as any for him. EW 33/1.

With Katusha & Luca Paolini looking to defend the Maglia Rosa. His prime support, Giampaolo Caruso may have a chance if they consider the best form of defence is attack. Only 36 seconds down on the overall, I've been impressed. 66/1 feels a decent EW shot.

Looking forward to this stage it could be manic.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 11, 2013, 08:45:34 AM
Yesterday had Sir W slip sliding away out of the top 20, down 1.32.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke0xD-DABDs

Wiggins is an overwhelming favourite for this stage, he'll will need minutes to get Maglia Rosa. We'll see today if there are any after effects from yesterday & if he has the fight still in him.

Fancy that Nibali & Kessiakoff will be in top 5 todays ITT.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 12, 2013, 04:31:29 AM
Today's ITT in the Giro was a real eye opener, and with the high mountain stages fast approaching, I think I now have all the information I need to make a few recommends. Tonji, it looks like you were right to have Nibali as the pre-race favourite, as I can't see anyone beating him now. He looked very comfortable in the time-trial, and has the beating of Wiggins (and everyone else) in the Alps and the Dolomites.

The markets I'm interested in are the Team Classification (time) and the Young Rider's Classification:

In the Young Rider's Classification, the standings are as follows (with best odds in brackets):
1.   Wilco Kelderman (BLA)   29:50:23        (4/1)
2.   Rafal Majka (TST)            0:00:43        (3/2)
3.   Fabio Aru (AST)              0:01:05        (16/1)
4.   Carlos Betancur (AG2R)    0:02:42        (2/1)

I am really surprised by these odds, and feel that the bookies have over-priced Kelderman and Aru purely on the basis that they are domestiques for their team leaders (Gesink and Nibali respectively), whereas Majka and Betancur have others riding for them. The fact is that Betancur was very disappointing yesterday, in a time-trial that should have suited his limited TT talents. Personally, I was expecting more of a Santambrogio type of performance. Perhaps his outstanding pre-season/Classics form has finally caught up with him, and his legs are feeling a little tired. If that is the case, he has no chance in the high mountains ... and 3 minutes is a rather large gap already. Majka, on the other hand, is in good shape. Although beaten by Kelderman and Aru in the time-trial, it wasn't a whipping, and he has shown that he can handle himself in the mountain stages. The thing that bothers me about his status as 3/2 favourite though, is that he will pretty much be riding the mountains on his own, as Team Saxo-Tinkoff are weak. Add to this the fact that he isn't an obviously better climber than Kelderman or Aru, and the head scratching really begins.

Obviously the bookies think that Kelderman will sacrifice his race for Gesink. But this isn't necessarily so. Gesink has really impressed me thus far, and has a real chance to podium in (if not win) the Giro. But Blanco are strong, with Kelderman, Kruijswijk and Clement all capable climbers. I seriously doubt that the team are hitching all their bets on the Maglia Rosa (not with Nibali in the shape he is in), and if Kelderman is up there with Gesink in the mountains, they will probably instruct him to fight on for both the Team and Young Rider's classifications. Sure, he is young and unproven, but I'm pretty confident in his form and ability, and recommend backing him @ 4/1, while dutching Aru @ 16/1 (he is, after all, the best climber out of the 4, but might sacrifice his race for Nibali).

Next up is the Team Classification (time (not points)). The standings are:
1.   Astana                    88:40:51                   (6/1)
2.   Blanco                      0:00:34                   (7/1)
3.   Sky                          0:02:06                   (EVS)
4.   Lampre-Merida           0:04:55                   (5/1)

No surprises who I'm going for here then. Blanco have the strongest team over all disciplines in this year's Giro. Period. Sky, on the other hand, have the best quality riders. Astana have a lot of riders with problems. I'm not too sure what Lampre are even doing in this discussion.

If you said to me that Sky was going to ride the rest of the Giro as individuals, then I would agree that evens was a fair price, and would call them favourites. The fact is that Sky are not interested in the team classification competition. They want to win the pink jersey, and Wiggins is their man for the job. This means that their tactic over the mountain stages will be to ride the other teams into the ground, so that they cannot break from the lead group. It's a pity for Henao and Uran really, having to sacrifice their races, because they're both in sublime form, but they'll get their chances in the future. Wiggins still has another ITT to contest, and he will be given a certain amount of leeway till then. I'm afraid that, based on current evidence, he will struggle in the mountains (especially if it continues to rain), and will hold his teammates back (like with Froome in the TDF last year).

Astana also have good climbers. Unfortunately, Kessiakoff seems to have caught a bug, and has not yet recovered fully. And Tiralongo has apparently injured his knee. On the flip side, Aru is sublime and Kangert has impressed. However, with Nibali now in the ascendency, you can bet that Astana will not be concerned with anything other than securing the Maglia Rosa, and will forfeit their domestiques' ambitions accordingly. This is not to say that Astana winning the Team Classification is outside the realms of possibility. I just think that Blanco are in better shape, more well-rounded and better motivated to prove themselves as the best team in the Giro. I've already backed them @ 10/1 last week. I've now added a decent sum @ 7/1.

Your thoughts, Tonji...







Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2013, 11:42:05 AM
Really interesting post cws, thanks.

Young riders, a few of my thoughts.

Rafal Majka, has a couple of Vueltas under his belt, a big advantage over his rivals. 2012 he was 32nd, top Saxo rider after Contador. I'd see him as having a more solid final week than the other three. Agree re his team not as strong, but he looks like he'll be able to make the final selection in the high mountains, but maybe not win. 3/2 is probably too short, but I'd have him as favourite.

Betancur does to me look like he could crack. Being able to recover day after day while riding at the front is generally found after two or three GTs. Although in 2011 he had a decent final week at the Giro.

I'd predict (but based on a little research over coffee this morning):

Majka
Kelderman
Betancur
Aru.

 




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2013, 11:50:02 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRntkjd9_Fs

Stage 9.

No bets for me, not really had a look at the betting. Ahead of a rest day, a breakaway may succeed. Betting would be more a lottery than ever, any of 40 riders could podium today.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-9/winner

Bookies favourite is Visconti at 11/1.

Edited: thrown a dart at Rubiano (again)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2013, 12:34:59 PM
Team Classification.

Lampre won the team class in 2012, with Scarponi & Cunego, 4th & 6th.

I wouldn't write them off. Scarponi certainly fancies his chances for top 3, but suspect top 5 is achievable. Niemiec, is the best form of his life. Currently in 9th overall, I'd have him as a solid top 10 finisher.

Re Sky, currently 3 riders in top 10. Bet depends on their tactics to get Wiggins in Maglia Rosa. Will they sacrifice Uran & Henao to achieve it? They will have to change from a team that defends the lead to offensive tactics that put Nibali & Astana under pressure & I'm not sure they can rely on doing it in the mountains. Stage 12 looks like it could be an opportunity to attack ahead of the big mountains.

But agree Blanco look better & looks a good bet @ 7/1. With 4 riders in top 30 & as you say Gesink looking in top shape.

I had bet Movistar (now looks dead in the water) & Garmin. Garmin could still be in with a shout, but requires Stetina & Danielson to have a strong final week. I'm hopeful.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
Weather needs to improve for Wiggins as he seems to have lost all confidence in the wet.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on May 12, 2013, 06:44:31 PM
Weather needs to improve for Wiggins as he seems to have lost all confidence in the wet.
Wiggins looks shot mentally and we haven't even got to the hills yet. How he thinks he  should be team leader ahead of Froome for TdF is laughable.

Sky need to go for broke imo and try to smash the peleton in first couple of mountain stages


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2013, 11:20:52 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LVhJJ-FUUM

Great to see Alex Dowsett win the ITT, he made a brave move to leave Sky last year, nice to see it pay off.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2013, 11:27:32 PM
Weather needs to improve for Wiggins as he seems to have lost all confidence in the wet.
Wiggins looks shot mentally and we haven't even got to the hills yet. How he thinks he  should be team leader ahead of Froome for TdF is laughable.

Sky need to go for broke imo and try to smash the peleton in first couple of mountain stages

I don't know how quickly a rider can regain confidence, maybe a few dry days in the mountains.

Rumours that Henao & Uran will be given a free roll to attack at the first opportunity.

Plenty of drama still to come, I'm lovin it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 13, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
A week in & today is a rest day.

Tomorrow, stage 10.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG3pr_O342k

Giro proper starts here in the high mountains. It's a tough stage, but it'll be the first of six extreme days in the mountains over the next two weeks.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 13, 2013, 11:34:53 AM
A photo gallery review of stages 1-9.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/05/colours-of-the-giro-stages-1-to-9/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 13, 2013, 11:40:49 AM
A few comments from Wiggins in the media:

"Let's be honest. I descended like bit of a girl really after the crash... Not to disrespect girls, I have one at home. But that's life and we have to push on and deal with the disappointments."

On Nibali: "He will continue to ride aggressively. I can't see him trying to defend 30 seconds from now until Brescia,"

On Cadel: "Cadel is the best I've seen him since he won the Tour. He is the danger-man in that position. He showed [in the TT] he is in good shape."

On tomorrows stage: "It will be one of the toughest finishes of this Giro, that's for sure. The race could tip upside down again."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 13, 2013, 12:40:09 PM
Weather needs to improve for Wiggins as he seems to have lost all confidence in the wet.
Wiggins looks shot mentally and we haven't even got to the hills yet. How he thinks he  should be team leader ahead of Froome for TdF is laughable.

Sky need to go for broke imo and try to smash the peleton in first couple of mountain stages

I don't know how quickly a rider can regain confidence, maybe a few dry days in the mountains.

Rumours that Henao & Uran will be given a free roll to attack at the first opportunity.

Plenty of drama still to come, I'm lovin it.

Weather forecast is not good for the next week

http://www.ilmeteo.it/meteo-sport#giro


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2013, 12:10:56 AM
Time constraints today & not had time to look closely at the stage betting.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-10/winner

Breakaway has a chance if none of the riders are a threat. Colombians are likely to make a mark now we are in the big mountains, but which one, Atapuma?

If a GC group make the final climb, who will be looking for the stage win. Betancur looks strong still, & is always looking to attack when possible. Pozzovivo & Santambrogio will fancy their chances. Pozzovivo perhaps with better chances as he knows the area well.

Outsider, Gianluca Brambilla, he has shown his form has returned in finishing with the first group on the previous stage. Still think he is looking for stage win in the high mountains & a go at the KOM.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 14, 2013, 02:40:35 AM
I haven't found any OOL prices for Stage 10, but thought I might give my two cents worth anyway:

I can't really see beyond Santambrogio in this first of the high mountain stages. Vini Fantini have had an unsuccessful Giro so far, and Mauro will be keen to rectify that. One on one, up a decent gradient, he has the beating of anyone in the field ... even Nibali. I have had £10 e/w on him @ 6/1 (BetVictor), the e/w portion being my saver in case Nibali steps up, or a breakaway is allowed too much rope. I've also gone for Henao @ 16/1 (BetVictor), gambling on the rumour that Sky will allow him to attack Nibali on the climb up Altopiano del Montasio. Nothing like a 20% ramp to get the Colombian in the mood.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2013, 10:47:42 AM
I haven't found any OOL prices for Stage 10, but thought I might give my two cents worth anyway:

I can't really see beyond Santambrogio in this first of the high mountain stages. Vini Fantini have had an unsuccessful Giro so far, and Mauro will be keen to rectify that. One on one, up a decent gradient, he has the beating of anyone in the field ... even Nibali. I have had £10 e/w on him @ 6/1 (BetVictor), the e/w portion being my saver in case Nibali steps up, or a breakaway is allowed too much rope. I've also gone for Henao @ 16/1 (BetVictor), gambling on the rumour that Sky will allow him to attack Nibali on the climb up Altopiano del Montasio. Nothing like a 20% ramp to get the Colombian in the mood.

Yep, can't disagree cws. An open stage for sure. Pozzovivo edges it for me purely on his local knowledge & perhaps being less marked than Santambrogio.

Weather is set fine today I believe, so should look spectacular.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oy7RL11Z1U


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on May 14, 2013, 10:56:55 AM
Are they not worth betting @6.5/1 and 10.5/1 respectively?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2013, 12:00:21 PM
Are they not worth betting @6.5/1 and 10.5/1 respectively?

I guess if you took the view they are the two favourites, but I see this stages as too open to call. Circa 30-40% chance a breakaway succeeds imo. 10 GC riders with a chance, but really unknown form coming out of a rest day & into the high mountains.

I've taken Pozzovio @ 18/1 last night, thinking that price has some value considering his local knowledge. I'm also liking Brambillia @ 66/1, good chance he can make it in a breakaway group, but if not he should be able to compete with the final GC group.

Just the way I approach stage betting Dubai, not a lot of maths, just my opinion, based on some knowledge & race scenarios.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2013, 10:45:43 PM
Well Pozzovivo gave it a go, but never looked like he could make it stick. Brambillia, over 20 minutes back  :(

Unlucky cws, wrong Sky Colombian. I can't make up my mind if Santambrogio was hanging on, or biding his time for another day?

Betancur is still frisky, two 2nds. Tomorrow maybe one better?

Garmin have imploded, riders stayed to support Hesjedal. Team classification zero chance now, & Danielson bet for top 10 decimated.  ;grr;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2013, 10:51:06 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXP7_2cSCX8

Work a bit busy to look at betting opportunities.

Anyone else fire away.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 16, 2013, 09:49:07 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n-KDQ0ZIcg

stage 12.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 16, 2013, 11:45:27 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY_g2pe2Zzk

Longest stage of the race at 254 km. With more rain forecast & tough mountain stages over the weekend I'd think there is a >50% chance of a breakaway succeeding.

Plenty of big prices available for this open stage. I've looked for Italians looking for the opportunity for the stage win & well out of GC contention. However with many sick riders & teams its a pick-em

Gatto, was sick earlier in the race, but finished in the main bunch today so hoping he's recovered. 33/1

Pozzato, must purely be racing for a stage win, this looks like an opportunity. 33/1

Nizzolo, 4th today & stage 1. He's a decent sprinter who doesn't suffer in the hills. 66/1



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 17, 2013, 09:54:50 PM
Cav clocked up his 101st pro win with a gutsy ride over the final climbs when most of the other sprinters were dropped.

Nizzolo weighed in nicely with an impressive 2nd.

Gatto was in the final attack 20km to go, but that always doomed.

Pozzato, puzzled as usual, looking like he was going to get dropped on the run in, but was 8th & in the mix  :dontask:


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 17, 2013, 10:04:52 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuipmFVh3PA

Some stuff about the rain on stage 12, & Brian Holm talking about "fat boy" Cav.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 17, 2013, 11:17:54 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuKzTQwAA6k

Stage 14, back in the high mountains. Snow is forecast, so there could be a late decision on route changes.

The initial breakaway group is likely to include Pirazzi looking to protect his KOM jersey. The make up & size of this group will set the tone of the stage.

Favourites in the GC riders must be Betancur. He has great form, but has yet to win a race this year. He'll be motivated to change that.

Betancur's teammate Pozzovivo attacked in stage 10 but never made it stick. I'd read his bike was wrongly geared. If that was the case he can possibly use Betancur's inevitable attack to launch a counter that may be successful 1km from the finish.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-05/Giro-dItalia-Stage-14-1367657390.jpg)

Sky now pin hopes of overall with Uran. They will certainly attack over the next two days, but he won't find it easy to get away. Henao or Cataldo may get the chance on the final climb.

Gesink & Santambrogio have both been solid without showing any attacking intent. The next two stages could be the time for them to move into the top 3.

Nibali only has a 41 second lead over Evans. With time bonuses at the finish, he will want to gain valuable time without risking too much. Tactically he's not made a mistake yet, if its dry I think he'll go on the offensive if he sees the opportunity.

Outsider. Stefano Garzelli, a past KOM winner. He's not shown much so far, but the old war horse will be looking for one last Giro stage win.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 17, 2013, 11:28:20 PM
Sundays stage over Mont Cenis & up the Col du Galibier is almost certainly going to be altered due to snow & avalanche warnings  :(

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKfs-hOCEAEzFJX.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on May 17, 2013, 11:34:15 PM
Cheers for the continued updates Tonji - a very enjoyable read/watch as usual!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 18, 2013, 03:33:55 AM
Well done, Tonji. Once again your predictions were in the money. Hope you had a wedge on Nizzolo e/w.

For today's stage, I'm betting against a breakaway again, since they don't seem to be very successful this year (touch wood). Given that Nibali doesn't need to risk an attack today (better left for tomorrow), and that Uran and Evans will be heavily marked, I'm going with either Betancur or Santambrogio to win, with Henao as a wildcard. I should probably dutch the three of them, but I much prefer making it an equal stake with the reward being greater the bigger the winner's odds. I still feel Henao owes me for the other day ... and I am seriously tilting.

Again, the bookies don't seem to have missed a trick, with the only reasonably attractive odds being for Majka to win @ 33/1 (e/w 1-2-3). Although he impressed the other day, I'm more confident that he'll finish in 4th or 5th place, rather than on the podium. I just feel that the competition is too good. I'll be more than happy for him to prove me wrong, though (since my Kelderman/Aru bet is dead in the water).

I'm really looking forward to today's racing, and can't wait to see what Sir Wiggo's demise does for my Blanco bet  ;bigadz;. I feel sorry for him, but I still hope that his chest infection is contagious.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2013, 10:16:51 AM
Cheers for the continued updates Tonji - a very enjoyable read/watch as usual!

ty Vic.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2013, 10:53:59 AM
Well done, Tonji. Once again your predictions were in the money. Hope you had a wedge on Nizzolo e/w.

For today's stage, I'm betting against a breakaway again, since they don't seem to be very successful this year (touch wood). Given that Nibali doesn't need to risk an attack today (better left for tomorrow), and that Uran and Evans will be heavily marked, I'm going with either Betancur or Santambrogio to win, with Henao as a wildcard. I should probably dutch the three of them, but I much prefer making it an equal stake with the reward being greater the bigger the winner's odds. I still feel Henao owes me for the other day ... and I am seriously tilting.

Again, the bookies don't seem to have missed a trick, with the only reasonably attractive odds being for Majka to win @ 33/1 (e/w 1-2-3). Although he impressed the other day, I'm more confident that he'll finish in 4th or 5th place, rather than on the podium. I just feel that the competition is too good. I'll be more than happy for him to prove me wrong, though (since my Kelderman/Aru bet is dead in the water).

I'm really looking forward to today's racing, and can't wait to see what Sir Wiggo's demise does for my Blanco bet  ;bigadz;. I feel sorry for him, but I still hope that his chest infection is contagious.

Hi cws

Yes <10% breakaway succeeds today. With tomorrow likely to have a reduced stage, the GC men needed to sort it out on todays final climb.

Last night I had 365 open when the stage betting was published. Betancur was 7/1 until I clicked the bet & it had changed to 4/1  :( So I got Pozzovivo @ 11/1, that'll teach em!

I think Henao or Cataldo  can play a big part today. If Cataldo has recovered from illness I'm pretty sure he'll be asked to repeat the ride from last years Vuelta where he won that epic mountain stage. Small bet with BetV @ 100/1 win only.

As you say the bookies are pretty much in line. Maybe Niemiec & Inxausti have a touch of EW value, but both are probably top 5 at best. Also feel Gesink could put in a great ride, no evidence other than some hints coming out of Blanco.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2013, 11:56:50 AM
Update on todays stage. The Sestriere climb has been taken out due to bad weather.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKiowB9CYAA4_OP.png:large)

Finish is still the long climb up to Jafferau, but fresher legs for a larger % of the peloton. Advantage Nibali & Astana in being able to control the stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2013, 04:05:07 PM
No TV pictures, maybe see the last 100m as riders appear out of the mist.

Thankfully twitter feed keeps me updated.

Rumours tomorrows stage could be cancelled.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2013, 04:51:22 PM
Santambrogio & Nibali 1 & 2. Strongest today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 18, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
A reasonably successful day today, with Santambrogio winning the stage, and improving his chances for a podium finish. Still early doors though. As for Blanco, however, they now have to decide what they want out of this Giro. With Gesink struggling out of the top 10 today, they managed to lose a lot of time in the team classification, by sacrificing Kelderman, Kruijswijk and Garate for their team leader. If they (and I) want to win anything this year, now's the time to cut Gesink loose.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 19, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
A reasonably successful day today, with Santambrogio winning the stage, and improving his chances for a podium finish. Still early doors though. As for Blanco, however, they now have to decide what they want out of this Giro. With Gesink struggling out of the top 10 today, they managed to lose a lot of time in the team classification, by sacrificing Kelderman, Kruijswijk and Garate for their team leader. If they (and I) want to win anything this year, now's the time to cut Gesink loose.

Nice going cws. Nibbles, Santa & Beta have proved to be the class climbers of the race.

Did you have Beta for the young rider class? He's just 7 sec behind Majka, whose Saxo team are now down 3 riders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 19, 2013, 11:21:19 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCiYKwM_j0

At the moment the route is originally as planned but without the last 4km

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-04/Giro-dItalia-Stage-15-1366543615.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 19, 2013, 11:42:17 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-15/winner

My sweat for the stage. Not my work, but a tip from a mate who's well clued up. The Colombia team always look to be in the breaks in the big mountains. Jarlison Pantano, available at 150/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 19, 2013, 01:40:48 PM
http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/raisport/direttaGiro2013.html

No action yet, but Italian commentary is fast & furious!  ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 19, 2013, 10:35:41 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaTscVQoHM

Todays highlights.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 20, 2013, 12:08:00 PM
Rest day today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKs14ugCEAIKbWF.jpg:large)

Giro is into the final week & it gets tougher still.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grZeeISH3eI


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 20, 2013, 10:27:48 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvdPDOLWiUs

A really open stage with a >50% chance of a breakaway succeeding. A good betting stage to throw a few darts. Winners are often in 50/1+ range.

The final week & some teams will be looking to rescue something from the Giro.

With Gesink dropping away in the mountains & with it any GC hopes, Blanco will be looking for a stage win. Stef Clement is likely to be given the go ahead to get in the break. A strong ITT shows he has some strength & form.

Team Colombia will be active, but I've not had any luck picking which one makes the crucial break. Anyone of Atapuma, Duarte, Pantano or Chalapud.

Cannondale, I've been impressed with Damiano Caruso, but at only 10 minutes down I doubt he'd get any leeway. Cristiano Salerno, Cameron Wulf, or Jose Sarmiento are all good candidates.

Euskaltel - Euskadi have looked to get riders away. Egoi Martinez is the usual suspect.

Garmin do have a stage win already but will want to be involved. I'd be looking at Danielson who had been going ok, however he was was 27 minutes down on the last stage, either he's sick or saving energy.

The most attacking team has probably been Vini Fantini. Despite having Santambrogio in the mix for the podium they seem to always get someone in the break. Di Luca, Rabottini or Garzelli look decent for this stage.

Pieter Weening of Orica GreenEdge has been having ago, but has not made an attempt stick. Maybe it's the turn of Jens Keukeleire.

RadioShack still have the full compliment of riders. Tiago Machado is a bit of a breakaway specialist.

A rider showing some decent form of late is Franco Pellizotti of the Androni team, but perhaps too close to the GC to get any freedom.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
The days break has formed. It includes Damiano Caruso at only 10 mins down. Interested to see how Astana & other teams work on this stage to bring them back.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2013, 10:45:46 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su8Gw3P-hJk

Cracking stage today. All seemed to be racing to protect their positions in the top ten. The break was never going to stay away with Caruso in it. Pirazzi looking to be still full of energy to defend the KOM jersey. Movistar having a great Giro.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2013, 11:14:22 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L36WIjuUYtg

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-04/Giro-dItalia-Stage-17-1366543636.jpg)

Interesting stage. Looks on paper a bunch sprint stage, but in the final week of a GT it's more open than first assumed.

The bookies have a tempting 4/1 Cavendish. If his team work as well as they did on stage 13, I don't see why Cav cannot make it 5 wins. However, the short climb could have the sprinters in trouble if like today the GC riders attack with any severity.

Nizzolo has given me some decent profit. Quoted in Italian media after todays stage that he'll be looking to beat Cav tomorrow! you can get 25/1.

Two outsiders.

Filippo Pozzato, lives locally & has mentioned in the media he'll give this stage a go. 33/1.

A possible candidate to be in the early breakaway & another local rider is Marco Marcato. He'll know the area better than anyone. 35/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 23, 2013, 12:09:28 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J43jIbpGXq8

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-04/Giro-dItalia-Stage-18-ITT-1366543649.jpg)

Stage 18. ITT.

Nibali has been without doubt the strongest climber & is favourite. I'd have Evans closer than many believe. His time splits on the last uphill sector in the first TT where better than anyone.

Only had the briefest of looks at the markets & can't see any obvious value. With Nibali & Evans a likely 1-2, leaving one spot in the Top 3 market. The only hint of value is Intxausti @ 20/1 he is a better TT than the price suggests (I'd think 11/1 is about right). Movistar are on a roll with results & confidence is high, he'll also be looking to protect his top ten position in GC. Probably still not a bet.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 23, 2013, 08:06:59 PM
No Gavia or Stelvio climbs for Giro Stage 19 tomorrow


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 23, 2013, 08:37:19 PM
No Gavia or Stelvio climbs for Giro Stage 19 tomorrow

(https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2Nzbzl5aC5qcGcUkAMUrAIAFgASAA&s=jTifxLjl5QTNLFr_pfUg4tQL1fUA65271XM6YSKSJDo)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 23, 2013, 08:42:41 PM
Nibali was dominant today & now with 4.02 lead over Evans.

Cadel's comment on twitter. Uphill TT done here at the Giro: Nibali in a class of his own. Evans -if I may say so myself- abysmal.... #giro #goodtraining


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2013, 12:31:30 AM
No Gavia or Stelvio climbs for Giro Stage 19 tomorrow

(https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2Nzbzl5aC5qcGcUkAMUrAIAFgASAA&s=jTifxLjl5QTNLFr_pfUg4tQL1fUA65271XM6YSKSJDo)

Not sure of what to make of tomorrows stage. Weather forecast is pretty awful with minus temperatures. Bearing that in mind & with the Maglia Rosa pretty much settled. I'm inclined to think the battle for the stage win may come down to either a small breakaway group or Betancur & Majka attacking on the final climb. However with small time gaps from 2nd through to 10th I guess it could equally turn into a chaotic free for all.

In overnight ponder mode!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2013, 10:09:58 AM
Todays stage cancelled due to snow.

Unheard of back in the day  :D

(http://giroforghisallo.gazzetta.it/files/2012/05/storia-freddo-large.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2013, 10:19:38 AM
With todays stage cancellation & tomorrow not looking great. The points classification looks almost certainly to be won by Cavendish.

I don't have a Bwin account, but they still have Cav @ 2/5


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on May 24, 2013, 04:17:03 PM
Cracking picture Tonji, these boys have it too pampered nowadays  ;)

Always makes me wonder if the points for the sprinters need looking at, I mean Cav has won 4 stages + intermediates and Evans only 4 points down


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 25, 2013, 12:19:33 AM
Cracking picture Tonji, these boys have it too pampered nowadays  ;)

Always makes me wonder if the points for the sprinters need looking at, I mean Cav has won 4 stages + intermediates and Evans only 4 points down

Are you old enough to remember Andy Hampsten winning on the Gavia in '88. Brutal!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_atrK-jBKJKY/S_-y4kgfy0I/AAAAAAAAL6k/LHkGwPg560o/s1600/gavia+1988.png)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 25, 2013, 12:21:50 AM
Not had any time to preview stage 20. Maybe have a look in the morning.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 25, 2013, 10:57:12 AM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-05/Giro-dItalia-Stage-20-1369401248.jpg)

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-05/Giro-dItalia-Stage-20-1367657779.jpg)

The final mountain stage & reports on twitter that snow is falling high up & commentators are struggling to get to the summit in cars!

Not a day for betting imo, but hope Betancour can take the win he deserves.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on May 25, 2013, 11:00:17 AM

So does this mean that Cavendish will win the Points Classification?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 25, 2013, 11:09:00 AM

So does this mean that Cavendish will win the Points Classification?

Really a case for Cav to survive today, he does not like hills. But likely he'll still be in the red jersey after the stage today. Best price today is 1/20.

If all goes to plan he'll be 1/100 at the end of today, with just the formality of Sundays stage to Breschia where he'll be odds on to win the stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 25, 2013, 12:11:37 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX3F7jJJqtA

Another behind the scenes video.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 26, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyaZwUQrbc

Despite being a massive fan, don't think I'd be out in those conditions.

I'll be in a local Italian café this afternoon for the F1 & of course sweating Cav in the final Giro stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 26, 2013, 10:57:51 PM
(http://e2.365dm.com/13/05/660x350/13c_2946077.jpg?20130526144726)

What a legend.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on May 27, 2013, 12:08:48 AM
(http://e2.365dm.com/13/05/660x350/13c_2946077.jpg?20130526144726)

What a legend.

Was visiting relatives so only had updates on bbc site to go on. Crazy they didn't know which lap was for the intermediary.

Tour had two outstanding riders in Nibali & Cav, for very differing reasons


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2013, 01:03:56 PM
(http://e2.365dm.com/13/05/660x350/13c_2946077.jpg?20130526144726)

What a legend.

Was visiting relatives so only had updates on bbc site to go on. Crazy they didn't know which lap was for the intermediary.

Tour had two outstanding riders in Nibali & Cav, for very differing reasons

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MP1_QrrK1U

Highlights from yesterday, in Italian but you get the gist. I like OPQS boys giving a polite warning to the breakaway, there is a certain etiquette on a final stage of a GT to be played out!

Nibali was in a different class. I can't remember him being in any sort of trouble all race. I doubt even a fully fit Wiggins would have been within a couple of minutes. Looks like he'll be riding the Vuelta & will be targeting the Worlds in Florence.

Big shame the weather became the talking point, particularly in the final mountain stages. Doubt the result would be any different, but would have like to have seen more of Betancur & Majka who both impressed greatly. Ones to watch for the future.

Cavendish has about a month to rest up & prepare for the TdF. Another 5 stage wins & the points jersey? Certainly will be tougher with Greipel & Sagan in the field. I'd not bet against him.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2013, 01:21:59 PM
Quite week now. Next major race is Critérium du Dauphiné, 2-9 June. Followed by Tour de Suisse, 8-16 June. All building up to the Tour de France, 29 June-21 July.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on May 27, 2013, 01:50:33 PM
(http://e2.365dm.com/13/05/660x350/13c_2946077.jpg?20130526144726)

What a legend.

Was visiting relatives so only had updates on bbc site to go on. Crazy they didn't know which lap was for the intermediary.

Tour had two outstanding riders in Nibali & Cav, for very differing reasons

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MP1_QrrK1U

Highlights from yesterday, in Italian but you get the gist. I like OPQS boys giving a polite warning to the breakaway, there is a certain etiquette on a final stage of a GT to be played out!

Nibali was in a different class. I can't remember him being in any sort of trouble all race. I doubt even a fully fit Wiggins would have been within a couple of minutes. Looks like he'll be riding the Vuelta & will be targeting the Worlds in Florence.

Big shame the weather became the talking point, particularly in the final mountain stages. Doubt the result would be any different, but would have like to have seen more of Betancur & Majka who both impressed greatly. Ones to watch for the future.

Cavendish has about a month to rest up & prepare for the TdF. Another 5 stage wins & the points jersey? Certainly will be tougher with Greipel & Sagan in the field. I'd not bet against him.

Agree

Nibali has looked in a class of his own and riding within himself, when he opened up no one got close. Shame he's not at the TdF this year, the course would suit.

Really hard to tell with Cav. Sky obv were not interested in the sprints last year and Cav was a bit off form but still got 3 wins. He has a team built around him this year and is back on his favoured Specialized. Against that Sagan looks an absolute beast this year and is bang on form.
Lining up to be an awesome tour for both the yellow and green jersey.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 31, 2013, 11:59:03 PM
Critérium du Dauphiné

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/13873533/8856853875_f5e04bdf38_b_large.0_standard_730.0.jpg)

http://www.letour.fr/us/homepage_horscourseCDD.html

A mountainous parcours, with a flat ITT stage. Ideal preparation for the TdF contenders. Headed by Froome & Contador.

Really can't see past Froome winning. His form all season has been top class & has the support of a strong Sky team.

In theory Contador should be Froome's closest rival. However, his season until now has been patchy. I'd expect him to be up a level, but perhaps not 100% yet.

In fact all the big names should be close to 100% with the TdF only weeks away. The battle for the 3rd podium spot is close with maybe 5 or 6 names. Sanchez is in race fit condition, with a strongish last week at the Giro. If the weather is fine he may be the surprise. Jurgen van den Broeck has always gone well at the Dauphiné always around the top five, suspect this year could be better.

Outsider, Michal Kwiatkowski. Fantastic in the Ardennes classics & strong in Algarve & Terreno. Impressive, but at only 22 difficult to maintain that standard.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/dauphine-libere/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 01, 2013, 11:39:51 AM
Stage 1.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-05/Criterium-du-Dauphine-Stage-1-1369332746.jpg)

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-05/Criterium-du-Dauphine-Stage-1-1369332763.png)

With two category 1 & a category 2 climb the stage looks initially a climbers stage. However, opportunities on descents for riders to regain the peloton make it a more open stage. The final looks like more of a uphill drag, suitable for the likes of EBH, Meersman & Gavazzi. All fast on the line in an uphill finish & all having strong recent results.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/dauphine-libere/dauphine-libere-stage-1/winner

Some value with Skybet going EW top 3 1/3 odds.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 02, 2013, 10:41:16 PM
Meersman got a 2nd today. But is now too short for stage 2 that favours a fearless descender. Sanchez fits the bill.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 03, 2013, 01:51:52 PM
Meersman got a 2nd today. But is now too short for stage 2 that favours a fearless descender. Sanchez fits the bill.

Wrong, final descent not too difficult & technical & final climbs didn't drop all the sprinters. Viviani wins.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 04, 2013, 09:34:49 PM
Stage 4 is a 32.5km flat ITT. Normally Tony Martin is an overwhelming favourite for these stages. However, he has been suffering stomach problems the past few days.

With those doubts Froome should probably be favourite imo.

Michal Kwiatkowski finish 2nd to Martin in Algarve over a similar distance. 22/1 is decent EW value.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on June 05, 2013, 01:42:24 AM
It's time for another time trial ... and once again the man to beat is Tony Martin. However, given the stomach problems alluded to by Tonji above, everything might not be such smooth sailing for the odds-on favourite.

By now, people should know that I love betting against Sky, and even though I pick Froome to win the Criterium du Dauphine (and the Tour de France), I've always found him vulnerable to a little bit of inconsistency in the TT. The same goes for Porte. This opens the door for a few speculative e/w bets.

Top of my list then is Michal Kwiatkowski (same as Tonji), although he is now a less-attractive 18/1. He gets most of my money. Another two names I fancy are Stef Clement (20/1) - good TT form at the moment (although might be tired, and usually better on a lumpy course) - and Lieuwe Westra (25/1) - solid, experienced time-triallist (although had a bad crash on Stage 2).

Names I've passed on are Michael Rogers (too old, past his best), Sylvain Chavanel (surely top 10, but no podium), Rohan Dennis (possible upset, but too inexperienced), Marco Pinotti (lost me money already this year), and Jonathan Castroviejo (will probably kick myself for leaving him out... hope he finishes 4th).

Also, I had to put some ice-cream money on Andrew Talansky, because I'm never going to see him at odds of 300/1 again. Of course, he is still recovering from an illness, but there's always the chance he'll wake up feeling right as rain ;pokergods;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 05, 2013, 10:34:56 AM
I'm pretty sure Kwiatkowski is looking to get one of the three remaining spots in the OPQS TdF team. A top 5 in the ITT will probably secure that. He's certainly motivated. My only bet on this stage & I've had a small EW on him for the overall win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 05, 2013, 11:02:12 AM
Tweet from OPQS that Martin "He trained this morning, felt ok. Ready for the stage"  :( bugger!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 05, 2013, 01:22:54 PM
Tweet from OPQS that Martin "He trained this morning, felt ok. Ready for the stage"  :( bugger!

looks like a win for Martin.

Some interesting times coming in!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on June 05, 2013, 01:49:18 PM
Top of my list then is Michal Kwiatkowski (same as Tonji), although he is now a less-attractive 18/1. He gets most of my money. Another two names I fancy are Stef Clement (20/1) - good TT form at the moment (although might be tired, and usually better on a lumpy course) - and Lieuwe Westra (25/1) - solid, experienced time-triallist (although had a bad crash on Stage 2).

Names I've passed on are Michael Rogers (too old, past his best), Sylvain Chavanel (surely top 10, but no podium), Rohan Dennis (possible upset, but too inexperienced), Marco Pinotti (lost me money already this year), and Jonathan Castroviejo (will probably kick myself for leaving him out... hope he finishes 4th).

Can't complain too much, although I made no money today. My analysis was there or thereabouts, but obviously I would have been happier if Dennis and Kwiatkowski had switched places. Well done to the young Australian. Onwards and upwards ... literally.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 05, 2013, 01:59:57 PM
Top of my list then is Michal Kwiatkowski (same as Tonji), although he is now a less-attractive 18/1. He gets most of my money. Another two names I fancy are Stef Clement (20/1) - good TT form at the moment (although might be tired, and usually better on a lumpy course) - and Lieuwe Westra (25/1) - solid, experienced time-triallist (although had a bad crash on Stage 2).

Names I've passed on are Michael Rogers (too old, past his best), Sylvain Chavanel (surely top 10, but no podium), Rohan Dennis (possible upset, but too inexperienced), Marco Pinotti (lost me money already this year), and Jonathan Castroviejo (will probably kick myself for leaving him out... hope he finishes 4th).

Can't complain too much, although I made no money today. My analysis was there or thereabouts, but obviously I would have been happier if Dennis and Kwiatkowski had switched places. Well done to the young Australian. Onwards and upwards ... literally.

Good stuff cws. Will have a closer look at the times later, but I think they may be revealing for the prospects of some in the TdF.

I remember earlier in the week Vaughters hinting on twitter that one of his riders is in top top shape....guessed that with Talansky sick he must have been referring to Dennis. But like yourself thought a top 10 was as good as he could expect.  ;grr;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 05, 2013, 08:27:16 PM
Dauphine ITT suggests that Roland, Valverde, Contador, Rodriguez and Van den Broeck still have work to do. We'll see how their climbing legs are tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 05, 2013, 11:18:42 PM
Stage 5.

Not looked  :dontask:

cws any thoughts?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on June 06, 2013, 03:09:14 AM
Gresy-sur-Aix to Valmorel. It all comes down to the final 12.7km with an average gradient of 7%. With Team Sky on the case, and their man in second place, you can forget about a breakaway succeeding. Chris Froome loves this sort of finish and is justifiably the favourite. However, I am getting pretty excited by this stage, as I think some of the pricing is way out of line.

First off, Alberto Contador @ 16/1 (Bet365 and WillHill)) is incredible. Sure, he had a terrible time-trial, and he kept wiping his nose like he was sick (apparently suffering from allergies), but the fact is that the man is the best climber in the field. And this sort of long, arduous, energy-sapper suits him to a T. Add to that the fact that he always seems to bounce back from a bad stage, and a decent e/w bet here is a no-brainer. I can understand Rodriguez being at shorter odds than him, but Valverde, Rolland, Sanchez and Moreno? Madness! I don't care if he is sick ... or if he has a broken leg, for that matter.

Next up, Jose Herrada (100/1 @ Paddy Power) is amazing e/w value. Sure, he'll have Valverde's back, but he is one of the best ascenders in the field on his day. And, to be honest, Valverde was very disappointing in the TT yesterday, ending his chances of a top-three finish, so Movistar might just have other plans. A podium might be out of his reach today, but at 100/1, he is worth the stretch. Just think back to all the stage wins that Movistar had at the Giro, and you'll see there's value to be had here.

My last tip is my new e/w friend Michal Kwiatkowski. I don't expect him to win this stage (although at 100/1 @ WillHill I would usually be tempted). He's the sort of climber that manages to hang on to a group, never launching any attacks ... just sticking around. Very capable, but not one for the podium presentation at the end of the day. But even though I'm not backing him myself in tomorrow's stage, that won't stop me recommending him to the speculative punter, because his odds are way OOL. The truth is, I've got too much invested in him already. And I've just lumped some more on at Coral (25/1 to win overall, e/w 1/5 odds). That's effectively 4/1 for a podium (once you subtract the win stake) when Betfair have him at 1.03 (albeit illiquid). Get some!





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 06, 2013, 09:42:20 AM
Cheers cws.

I'm out all day, so a speculative 100/1 EW on Kwiatkowski. Agree a possible tag on behind Frome to nick a 3rd. It does look a stage for the Sky boys to show their strength & throttle the life out of the peloton. Apparently PP initially priced Froome @ 8/1  :o but was quickly suspended. 9/4 best this morning, rarely back favourites but on today.

Good luck with the bets.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 06, 2013, 10:33:20 PM
Haven't seen any of the cycling on tv this week. It's on at bad time for me. Been too busy with house move stuff to even look at the markets, but who the hell thought Contador was 16/1. Woulda snapped that if I saw it.

I reckon Contador holding a bit back for TdF, he loves the game play of cracking riders in climbs


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 07, 2013, 01:00:06 AM
Haven't seen any of the cycling on tv this week. It's on at bad time for me. Been too busy with house move stuff to even look at the markets, but who the hell thought Contador was 16/1. Woulda snapped that if I saw it.

I reckon Contador holding a bit back for TdF, he loves the game play of cracking riders in climbs

Froome looks to have his measure at the moment. But over three week Grand Tour...., we'll see. I'd still have Froome as strong favourite.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 07, 2013, 01:02:10 AM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-05/Criterium-du-Dauphine-Stage-6-1369332946.jpg)

Stage is set for sprinters who can climb. Its possible QPQS will set a fast pace to drop the fat boys with chubby legs (Bouhanni & Viviani).

This leaves the likes of Meersman, EBH & Gazzavi to fight out the sprint. Gavazzi is always under the radar with the bookies despite some strong results on these types of stages. He must be in decent shape, coming in ahead of his fellow sprinters on todays mountain stage. I had 50/1, but think Hills are still at 40/1 & seems decent value imo.

I'm also on Michael Matthews. OGE are looking for wins & Matthews is the best bet with a strong 2nd on stage 3, just mistiming the sprint. 18/1 ftw in a few places.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 07, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
Haven't seen any of the cycling on tv this week. It's on at bad time for me. Been too busy with house move stuff to even look at the markets, but who the hell thought Contador was 16/1. Woulda snapped that if I saw it.

I reckon Contador holding a bit back for TdF, he loves the game play of cracking riders in climbs

Froome looks to have his measure at the moment. But over three week Grand Tour...., we'll see. I'd still have Froome as strong favourite.

the last 5km, vegas.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqv3a_NfSmU


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on June 07, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
Contador out to 9/2 for the Tour de France!


Worth a punt?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 07, 2013, 11:18:24 AM
Contador out to 9/2 for the Tour de France!


Worth a punt?

Been pondering what price Contador is value. Froome looks near 100%, I'd say Contador is perhaps in 90% shape, he generally will be 100% come the start. Still Froome fav for me. But 4/1 or better looks decent.

Incidentally, the probable TdF Saxo team is looking strong for support for the mountain stages. 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 07, 2013, 12:31:50 PM
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/the-secret-pro-3/

If your not aware already of the Secret Pro, worth a read.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 07, 2013, 12:37:10 PM
Contador out to 9/2 for the Tour de France!


Worth a punt?

Been pondering what price Contador is value. Froome looks near 100%, I'd say Contador is perhaps in 90% shape, he generally will be 100% come the start. Still Froome fav for me. But 4/1 or better looks decent.

Incidentally, the probable TdF Saxo team is looking strong for support for the mountain stages. 

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-im-where-i-want-to-be


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 07, 2013, 03:03:34 PM
Haven't seen any of the cycling on tv this week. It's on at bad time for me. Been too busy with house move stuff to even look at the markets, but who the hell thought Contador was 16/1. Woulda snapped that if I saw it.

I reckon Contador holding a bit back for TdF, he loves the game play of cracking riders in climbs

Froome looks to have his measure at the moment. But over three week Grand Tour...., we'll see. I'd still have Froome as strong favourite.

the last 5km, vegas.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqv3a_NfSmU

Cheers Tonji
Froome looked very good, like he didn't panic when Contador went and just reeled him in.

I'm with you, Froome is an outstanding favourite for TdF.
Though I think Contador underestimates him. He had his number at the ?vuelta last year, but Froome was shot from the TdF

Think that 9-2 looks a bit of value, obv better e/w prospects now wiggo not riding


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 08, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
Tour De Suisse starts tomorrow.

Was hoping to see Tejay Van Garderen at 3/1 but only see 365 with 9/4. Probably needs the win if BMC are to back him ahead of Evans in the TdF.

Rui Costa, last years winner, & having a solid season should be a firm top 3 with a decent team around him.

Ryder Hesjedal @ 40/1 could be value, but we are in the dark on how well he has recovered from his Giro illness. If he some how has top form that price will look a steal.

Was hoping to find a way to back Simon Spilak, but the stages don't have any decisive uphill finishes. Think he'll be looking for a stage win & top 5 overall. I missed 16/1, now 9/1 & not so attractive.

Always rivalry between French riders ahead of TdF, & Thibaut Pinot will be up to his normal attacks in the mountains. He'll be especially motivated with Voeckler winning a stage today.

Bauke Mollema could be a decent shout for the third podium spot. Blanco have sent a strong team in support so are expecting a good performance.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 08, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JAQnvZhfwg

Some interesting comments on why we should not read too much on how the riders perform in the Dauphine.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 11, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
Quote
Ryder Hesjedal @ 40/1 could be value, but we are in the dark on how well he has recovered from his Giro illness. If he some how has top form that price will look a steal.

Real life stuff has been occupying most of my time, so missed a lot of Tour de Suisse. Noticed that Hesjedal crashed out yesterday whilst looking good for the overall win. Some luck he's having! Hope he's recovers well enough for the TdF.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 12, 2013, 09:28:46 AM
Cavendish, Greipel, Kittel & other sprinters start today in Ster ZLM in Holland. The fast fat boys warming up ahead of the TdF.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on June 12, 2013, 10:24:35 AM
a tipster friend of mine has given me these for Le TOur

Points Classification:
Peter Sagan 2.2 PaddyPower

Podium Finish:
Richie Porte 4.5 Bet365

team classification

saxobank 18/1

overall winner

contador 4/1

jakob fuglsang 400/1ew

green jersey

cavendish 13/8


thoughts please


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 12, 2013, 11:05:48 AM
a tipster friend of mine has given me these for Le TOur

Points Classification:
Peter Sagan 2.2 PaddyPower

Podium Finish:
Richie Porte 4.5 Bet365

team classification

saxobank 18/1

overall winner

contador 4/1

jakob fuglsang 400/1ew

green jersey

cavendish 13/8


thoughts please

Hi Tighty,

Not done any real in depth research yet but...

Sagan for points classification I'd have Sagan just ahead of Cav, a two hores race, no one else will be close. Essentially Sagan has more scoring opportunities (a better all rounder) over the three weeks. Cav price based a lot on the Giro performance & British money. Sagan has targeted the points/green jersey & I'd have him odds on & Cav even money. Note of caution though, I'm expecting the sprints to crazy & frantic affairs this year (they nearly always are!), with some fast & organised sprint trains. Crashes likely.

Porte podium, not a bad shout. He's good mates with Froome, often train together in Nice & closely match each other. Froome the better climber & Porte a stronger time trialist. If the Sky team are working particularly well & dominating the race in the mountains they can engineer a 1/2. Also, if Froome were to crash out etc, he's a standout podium spot.

Team class, frankly not sure. Many still not fully confirmed & injuries & illness are all possible with two weeks or so until the start.

Contador, 4/1 is decent value if you can get it. Has looked below his best mostly, but always seems to be at 100% come the big races.

Fuglsang, Astana I think have confirmed him as lead rider, but Janez Brajkovič is a better option imo. Top 10-15 at best for me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 13, 2013, 09:08:36 PM
Stage 7 Tour De Suisse.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-03/Tour-de-Suisse-Stage-6-1363267585.jpg)

Dan Martin FTW 15/2 & Simon Spilak 25/1 EW. Both have been profitable this year for me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 17, 2013, 09:36:25 AM

(http://www.visit-corsica.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/nos-coups-de-coeur/le-grand-depart-du-tour-de-france-en-corse/213579-1-fre-FR/Le-grand-depart-du-tour-de-France-en-Corse_photo_article2.jpg)

The grand départ in Corsica is now less than two weeks away.  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 17, 2013, 08:13:36 PM
Full OPQS squad announced.

Cavendish
Chavanel
Kwiatkowski
Martin
Pineau
Steegmans
Terpstra
Trentin
Velits

Kwiatkowski should be one of the favourites for the white jersey.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 17, 2013, 08:27:25 PM
Quote
Fuglsang, Astana I think have confirmed him as lead rider, but Janez Brajkovič is a better option imo. Top 10-15 at best for me.

Fuglsang had a high speed crash in training over the weekend. Apparently will be ok for the TdF, but not ideal preparation.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 18, 2013, 12:16:01 PM
Argos-Shimano confirm a sprint lead squad. A well drilled team, Marcel Kittel, particularly, and John Degenkolb will be in the mix for the sprint stages.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 18, 2013, 02:26:16 PM
Noticed Betvictor go 2.8 Sagan. Out of line particularly as I see Sagan favourite against Cav, & most of the bookies have moved that way.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/points-classification


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 18, 2013, 02:44:58 PM
Blanco announce team.

Mollema
Gesink
Boom
Ten Dam
Leezer
Nordhaug
Tankink
Vanmarcke
Wynants

No Bos or Renshaw, so have ditched any attempts for the sprint stages. Bauke Mollema is the lead man after strong ride in Tour de Suisse. Robert Gesink given free role & less pressure to produce a top overall finish. Good move.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 19, 2013, 09:24:17 AM
Cannondale confirm their team. Built around Sagan with the prime aim of winning the green jersey, but also to win yellow in stage 2 or 3 & hold for the week. Moreno Moser as second lead rider.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 19, 2013, 09:39:16 AM
Orica-GreenEdge

Brett Lancaster
Cameron Meyer
Daryl Impey
Matt Goss
Michael Albasini
Simon Clarke
Simon Gerrans
Stuart O’Grady
Svein Tuft

A team looking to nick a stage win. Goss for sprints. Gerrans in the medium mountains. Albasini in breakaway opportunities. Simon Clarke could find himself well up in the KOM if he can get in the breakaways in the mountains.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 19, 2013, 11:56:09 AM
RadioShack:

A.Schleck, Bakelants, Didier, Gallopin, Irizar, Klöden, Monfort, Voigt, Zubeldia.

Andy Schleck named as leader. Slow improvement over the season, but still far from a level to place in the top 20.

Zubeldia, generally a consistent GT rider & more likely to place top 10.

At 41 & probably his last Tour, Jens Voigt can be relied upon for a banzai breakaway. Hope he can nick a stage, incredible rider.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 19, 2013, 02:19:20 PM
Saxo-Tinkoff confirmed:

Contador 
Hernandez 
Paulinho 
Noval 
Rogers 
Roche 
Tosatto 
Bennati 
Kreuziger

Strong team to support Contador, with his regular trusted lieutenants in Hernandez & Paulinho. Bolstered with 2013 super strong signings in Rogers, Roche & Kreuziger. Looks like a team to break & disrupt the Sky train in the mountains. Interesting!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 19, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
Saxo-Tinkoff confirmed:

Contador 
Hernandez 
Paulinho 
Noval 
Rogers 
Roche 
Tosatto 
Bennati 
Kreuziger

Strong team to support Contador, with his regular trusted lieutenants in Hernandez & Paulinho. Bolstered with 2013 super strong signings in Rogers, Roche & Kreuziger. Looks like a team to break & disrupt the Sky train in the mountains. Interesting!

Hellova strong team there. Might actually do Sky a favour if they compete to lead the peleton train.

I haven't taken a look yet to see how technical the sprint finishes are, but I forsee a few crashes on the sprint finishes this year. So many top sprinters around they gonna get in each others way.

Loved Froomie's view on Wiggo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 19, 2013, 10:56:05 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dqR3IkQ-w

Short preview.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
Vacansoleil team:

Boeckmans
Flecha
De Gendt
Hoogerland
Lagutin
Poels
B. van Poppel
D. van Poppel
Westra

Lieuwe Westra, lead rider. Thomas de Gendt for the mountains. Danny van Poppel at 19 will be the youngest rider in the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote
Loved Froomie's view on Wiggo

With Froome looking to extend his contract at Sky, Wiggins looks to be isolated within the team. Where to next for him?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2013, 02:01:12 PM
Team Sky announced:

Froome
Porte
Boasson Hagen
Kennaugh
Kiryenka
López
Siutsou
Stannard
Thomas

No surprises. Debuts for Stannard & Kennaugh, good to see the Brits in there.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2013, 02:20:58 PM
Lotto Belisol:

Van Den Broeck
De Clerq
Willems
Bak
Greipel
Roelandts
Henderson
Sieberg
Hansen

Van Den Broeck, leader. Fourth overall in the past couple of years, will perhaps find it difficult to make top 10 this.

Griepel has the best leadout train & should be able to nick at least one sprint stage if Cav falters.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 21, 2013, 12:30:35 PM
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Loved Froomie's view on Wiggo

With Froome looking to extend his contract at Sky, Wiggins looks to be isolated within the team. Where to next for him?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jun/21/bradley-wiggins-never-ride-tour-de-france-again


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 21, 2013, 01:49:27 PM
(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/06/TDFRouteGraphic1920X1280.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 22, 2013, 12:10:30 AM
Katusha confirm their squad.

Rodríguez
Moreno
Losada
Trofimov
Vorganov
Brutt
Kristoff
Smukulis
Kuschynski

Rodriguez confirmed as number one rider. He'll need to be at his very best to even podium. Strong climbing support from Losada, Trofimov & Moreno. Kristoff for the sprinters stages, he's in good shape & could nick a win from Sagan.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 22, 2013, 12:15:38 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRy_adiaIlc

Still a kid & wants to muck around on his bike  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 23, 2013, 10:50:37 AM
BMC for the Tour:

Evans
Van Garderen
Bookwalter
Burghardt
Gilbert
Moinard
Morabito
Quinziato
Schär

Evans starting his ninth Tour. Strong squad with six riders who helped Evans win in 2011.

Van Garderen will be in support of Evans, & looking for a high overall placing. Favourite for the white jersey.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 23, 2013, 04:26:06 PM
Astana:

Fuglsang
Brajkovic
Bazayev
Gasparotto
Gavazzi
Kessiakoff
Kashechkin
Lutsenko 
Muravyev

Fuglsang confirmed as leader.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 23, 2013, 07:14:35 PM
Cavendish, Griepel & Sagan all win their respective National champs.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 23, 2013, 08:19:16 PM
Sojasun, French Pro Continental team:

Delaplace
El Fares
Feillu
Hivert
Lemoine
Marino
Mederel
Simon
Villermoz

Will be looking to get in any breakaways.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 23, 2013, 10:34:11 PM
AG2R:

Bardet
Bouet
Dumoulin
Dupond
Gadret
Kadri
Minard
Peraud
Riblon

Leader is Peraud, aiming for top 10.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 23, 2013, 11:28:01 PM
BMC for the Tour:

Evans
Van Garderen
Bookwalter
Burghardt
Gilbert
Moinard
Morabito
Quinziato
Schär

Evans starting his ninth Tour. Strong squad with six riders who helped Evans win in 2011.

Van Garderen will be in support of Evans, & looking for a high overall placing. Favourite for the white jersey.

What are your thoughts on whether the team will switch to TJ being leader mid race if Evans continues to struggle in the hills


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 23, 2013, 11:55:19 PM
BMC for the Tour:

Evans
Van Garderen
Bookwalter
Burghardt
Gilbert
Moinard
Morabito
Quinziato
Schär

Evans starting his ninth Tour. Strong squad with six riders who helped Evans win in 2011.

Van Garderen will be in support of Evans, & looking for a high overall placing. Favourite for the white jersey.

What are your thoughts on whether the team will switch to TJ being leader mid race if Evans continues to struggle in the hills

Evans is one tough old sod, 3rd in the Giro is not bad for a last minute warm up for the TdF. Evans still calls the shots at BMC. It'll take illness or injury for him to quit. Think TJ knows next year will be better opportunities for him, but he'll still be looking for a high finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2013, 09:50:22 AM
FDJ, French Pro Continental team:

Bouhanni
Bonnet
Fischer
Fédrigo
Geniez
Jeannesso
Pinot
Roy
Vichot

Lead by Pinot, & has a decent chance to make top 10. Debut for Bouhanni, he'll be in the mix for the sprint stages. Vichot has just won the French Nationals, watch out for a stage win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2013, 11:45:43 AM
Cofidis:

Taaramae
Levarlet
Bagot
Coppel
Garcia
Le Mével
Mate
Molard
Navarro

A strong team, with options in Jerome Coppel, Dani Navarro & Rein Taaramae.

Navarro could make top 10. Also liking the chances of Taaramae for a high overall with his recent National championship win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
Euskaltel - Euskadi.

Nieve
Anton
J & G Izaguirre
Perez
Lobato
Sicard
Oroz
Astarloza

Nieve & Anton, joint leaders. Will be active in the mountains as standard!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2013, 12:07:44 PM
Movistar:

Amador
Castroviejo
Costa
Erviti
Gutierrez
Plaza
Quintana
Rojas
Valverde

Exceptionally strong line up. Valverde as expected will be lead rider, with ambition for a podium finish. Strong back up in Costa & Quintana.

Like their chances in winning the Team classification.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2013, 12:11:05 PM
20 of the 22 teams confirmed their line ups. I think I've briefly covered them all. Just Garmin & Lampre to confirm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Blanco have new sponsors & become Team Belkin.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mi04XJTyE


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 25, 2013, 10:05:07 AM
Lampre:

Cunego
Bono
Cimolai
Favilli
Ferrari
Malori
Mori
Niemiec
Serpa

Damiano Cunego, leader. Strong back up from Niemiec, 6th at the Giro.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 25, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
Garmin have not yet confirmed their squad, but Dan Martin is expected to start. 4/1 top 10, looks a decent sweat. May also be a contender for KOM, but objectives of the team may become clearer after stage 2.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 25, 2013, 11:36:49 AM
(http://xaxor.com/images/96321/vintage_photos_of_tour_de_france_06.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23028684

The Tour in photos.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 25, 2013, 02:10:09 PM
Getting excited much anyone?

Sky showed Cavs stage 2 win last year. No train for Cav just a proper sprinters race where Cav just got on the back of everyones wheel, one by one


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 25, 2013, 02:32:40 PM
Getting excited much anyone?

Sky showed Cavs stage 2 win last year. No train for Cav just a proper sprinters race where Cav just got on the back of everyones wheel, one by one

Just a tad.... hell, I love this race!  ;D

Really think the opener could be great. Cav in the British National Jersey v Greipel in the German. Winner will be in Yellow. Classic! Add in Kittel, Sagan, Bouhanni... chance of crosswinds on the coast & echelon racing.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yGBeOX9kA

Not to be missed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 25, 2013, 02:35:46 PM
Argos-Shimano's planning for sprints.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXOZLk1dyPE


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 26, 2013, 11:29:32 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P8WcPjMMv8

3 days until the Grand Départ


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 26, 2013, 01:14:58 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWve4g83CVI

Science behind the Sprint Train.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 26, 2013, 02:41:14 PM
A portrait of Chris Froome on Eurosport.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/tour-france-countdown-chris-froome-150117399.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 26, 2013, 03:01:24 PM
Paul Kimmage will be doing a video diary during the Tour, expect straight talking!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/kimmage/inside-the-tour-de-france-watch-paul-kimmages-video-diary-every-day-of-the-race-29374202.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 26, 2013, 04:27:31 PM
Finally Garmin announced their team:

Talansky
Martin
Hesjedal
Navardauskas
Dennis
Danielson
Bauer
Vandevelde
Millar

Exciting & talented squad. Could be a surprise package in mix. Unconventional & aggressive approach with no team leader, but using the options of Hesjedal, Talansky & Martin for a high overall finish.

Betfred are 10/1 in team classification. Worth a fiver. Top four are actually closer than betting suggests imo.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2013, 11:11:32 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UEMXK7uVvc

Cavendish interview.

Anyone considering betting against Cav in stage 1?

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-1/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 27, 2013, 11:20:31 AM
Finally Garmin announced their team:

Talansky
Martin
Hesjedal
Navardauskas
Dennis
Danielson
Bauer
Vandevelde
Millar

Exciting & talented squad. Could be a surprise package in mix. Unconventional & aggressive approach with no team leader, but using the options of Hesjedal, Talansky & Martin for a high overall finish.

Betfred are 10/1 in team classification. Worth a fiver. Top four are actually closer than betting suggests imo.

Love that team line up, possibly the most talented overall, soo many options for them


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2013, 11:41:07 AM
Finally Garmin announced their team:

Talansky
Martin
Hesjedal
Navardauskas
Dennis
Danielson
Bauer
Vandevelde
Millar

Exciting & talented squad. Could be a surprise package in mix. Unconventional & aggressive approach with no team leader, but using the options of Hesjedal, Talansky & Martin for a high overall finish.

Betfred are 10/1 in team classification. Worth a fiver. Top four are actually closer than betting suggests imo.

Love that team line up, possibly the most talented overall, soo many options for them

Really hope they will ignite the race, so much potential there.

Team manager likes it:

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters
Last year I just didn't feel it for the Tour. Something was off with our team. This year? Mojo is there.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2013, 04:12:42 PM
Contador today in the media press conference:

“It’s difficult to say where I am right now. That will become clearer when the race gets under way. I would say that I am at about 90 per cent right, which is just about where I want to be given the difficulty of the race this year.”

On tactics: “The route this year provides a lot of opportunities. There are some short mountain stages where you can take a risk and make attacks from a long way out if things have got complicated in the overall standings. But if things go to plan I won’t be thinking about tactics until after the second time trial. At that point, my tactics might need to become more aggressive or perhaps more conservative. In any case, one thing that’s for certain is that there will be more action on this route than in recent years.”



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2013, 04:29:47 PM
More build up  :)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR-Z7Z0GuHM


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 27, 2013, 05:38:30 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UEMXK7uVvc

Cavendish interview.

Anyone considering betting against Cav in stage 1?

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-1/winner

Sagan at 12s is too big. Some nice e/w potential


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UEMXK7uVvc

Cavendish interview.

Anyone considering betting against Cav in stage 1?

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-1/winner

Sagan at 12s is too big. Some nice e/w potential

Maybe, but I have my doubts. Finish looks to be for power sprinters with high top end speed. Sagan could be swamped unless it turns into a messy brawl. Stage 2 looks better, but likely to be short priced favourite.

Probably not a stage for betting for me, but tempted with Greipel ftw, price unlikely to shorten, so pondering. 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: kinboshi on June 28, 2013, 10:44:11 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/10147907/Tour-de-France-2013-It-is-impossible-to-win-Tour-without-taking-drugs-claims-Lance-Armstrong.html

Armstrong calls Wiggins a cheat.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 28, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/tour-de-france/10147907/Tour-de-France-2013-It-is-impossible-to-win-Tour-without-taking-drugs-claims-Lance-Armstrong.html

Armstrong calls Wiggins a cheat.

Indirectly, but mostly seems to be an attempt to grab attention ahead of the Tour with his own personal agenda against the UCI. Interestingly sexed up by Le Monde newspaper, the rival to L'Equipe (sponsors of the Tour)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 28, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQnhsGcnlWg

Tour Week 1 Insight.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 28, 2013, 06:38:05 PM
My top 10 (11) prediction.

Froome
Porte
Contador
Van Garderen
Rodriguez
Van den Broeck
Quintana
Evans
Pinot
Mollema/Martin


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
Live coverage on Eurosport & ITV4. Highlights package generally at 7pm on ITV.

3 weeks....  ;sark; ;yippee; ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: RedFox on June 29, 2013, 12:29:09 PM
I became hooked on the tour last year so looking forward to this years.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 12:58:07 PM
I became hooked on the tour last year so looking forward to this years.



Lets hope its a classic. Enjoy the drama.

Froome already had a crash & bike change! NERVY first day!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 03:38:21 PM
Full gas building, 30km to the finish...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 04:03:18 PM
Crashes, including a team bus at the finish!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on June 29, 2013, 04:10:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN77Lr6CIAAHtVk.jpg:large)

someone tell the peloton


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on June 29, 2013, 04:14:15 PM
Farcical finish. Real shame.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
Classic Tour de France....crashes, drama & pure farce, love it lol


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on June 29, 2013, 04:18:18 PM
Feel for Cav. He might never get a chance to wear yellow again.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Contador went down hard on his shoulder.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 04:24:39 PM
Will be interested to watch Orica GreenEdge Back Stage Pass video, starring the bus driver!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 04:30:56 PM
Will be interested to watch Orica GreenEdge Back Stage Pass video, starring the bus driver!

OGE team DS. Robbie McEwen ‏@mcewenrobbie
Sitting on the team bus thinking it can only get better from here. At least the hotel is close enough for the boys to ride there.  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 04:33:53 PM
Tony Martin injured, Contador injured, Stannard injured, Cav ok, Goss and Griepel both crash. Froome and Porte reportedly ok


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 04:45:23 PM
Geraint Thomas off to hospital, hope he's ok. He's had plenty of bad luck already this season.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 10:14:16 PM
Marc Madiot's opinion of today's stage, no need to speak French to get the jist!  :)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwr-Ow5aKaA


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2013, 10:28:13 PM
Stage 2.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHvt-595Uc

A lumpy stage that should be right up Sagan's street. But with so many bruised & battered bodies, probably best to await fitness reports in the morning.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-2-[bastia-ajaccio-156km]/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2013, 10:11:58 AM
Will be interested to watch Orica GreenEdge Back Stage Pass video, starring the bus driver!

OGE team DS. Robbie McEwen ‏@mcewenrobbie
Sitting on the team bus thinking it can only get better from here. At least the hotel is close enough for the boys to ride there.  :)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IysrERmAOFc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2013, 10:26:52 AM
Tony Martin yesterday.

(http://s1.hbvl.be/ahimgpath/assets_img_gvl/2013/06/29/2653028/marc-coucke-opqs-sleutelbeenbreuk-voor-tony-martin-id4640606-1000x800-n.jpg)

OPQS report he'll start today  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2013, 10:32:09 AM
Stage 2.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHvt-595Uc

A lumpy stage that should be right up Sagan's street. But with so many bruised & battered bodies, probably best to await fitness reports in the morning.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-2-[bastia-ajaccio-156km]/winner

Roads are unfamiliar to many of the riders, narrow & twisty in parts, likely that more blood will be spilt.

Despite the lumpy nature of the stage, a fully fit sprinter should make the final sprint.

A grumpy & motivated for revenge Cavendish @ 7/1 can't be bad.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
Outsider for the stage, Ramunas Navardauskas.

If Garmin's plans are to mix it up early, Navardauskas could be a surprise threat today. 33/1 available.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2013, 11:21:37 AM
How happy Kittel & his team are

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fglvtIn275M


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2013, 11:31:31 AM
Talk on twitter that Cannondale & some of the GC teams will race hard over the climbs to drop the sprinter teams & reduce the chaos of the finish. May need a rethink in running for betting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
Talk on twitter that Cannondale & some of the GC teams will race hard over the climbs to drop the sprinter teams & reduce the chaos of the finish. May need a rethink in running for betting.

Sprinters getting dropped as FDJ increase the pace, maybe for Vichot.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 01, 2013, 10:09:02 AM
Cavendish 182, Navardauskas 187, on the stage  ::) Although Vichot was closer at 19th.

Today:

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2013/300/PROFIL.png)

Can't argue with Sagan as the strong favourite.

I've gone with EW Gerrans at 25/1 & Vichot 80/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 01, 2013, 01:40:47 PM
Ouch, Geraint Thomas is riding with a fracture on his pelvis. Sky need his powerful engine in the team time trial.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 01, 2013, 02:43:34 PM
Vichot hits the deck... he's okay but getting his chain on, but will need a tiring chase to get back on  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 01, 2013, 03:41:38 PM
Gerrans wins the sprint from Sagan.  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 01, 2013, 05:07:57 PM
Hello

What do you make of the first odds up for the Team Time Trial?

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-4-%5Bnice-ttt-25km%5D/winner

Any value anywhere?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 01, 2013, 06:34:55 PM
Hello

What do you make of the first odds up for the Team Time Trial?

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-4-%5Bnice-ttt-25km%5D/winner

Any value anywhere?


Just been looking at it Tighty.

I took Garmin at opening price of 4/1. Vaughters, the manager expects a top result & have trained on the course. All seemed to avoid most of the crashes & finished strongly today without having to pull at the head of the peloton.

I have them as favourites over OPQS who have some concerns over Tony Martin, although I notice he finished in the main bunch so may be he'll be close to 100%.

Sky have injury issues with Thomas & Stannard, their main engines.

Movistar were wrongly priced at 30/1, decent EW chance. But now 10/1.

Value in BMC @ 20/1 with PP. Good engines in Schar & Quinziato. 3rd at Tirreno TTT. No injury worries as far as I know.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 01, 2013, 10:31:20 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUbZqX7cxpM

Gerrans & OGE backstage pass.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 01, 2013, 11:13:15 PM
Been away with the family so only caught the highlights on the news.

I thought there may be plenty of blood spilt, but was expecting it in the bunch sprints. Sagan massive fav for green imo.

Froome obv looking comfortable but Stannard & Thomas appear wrecked. Sod doing anything with a broken pelvis, let alone cycling up mountains

Exciting TdF already

Cracking call with Gerrans Tonji


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 02, 2013, 11:48:23 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMKpWwQ7yh8

Stage 5.

Cavendish is not at 100% & Sagan looks to be off his finishing sharpness, not helped by a lack of team support in the finishes.

That leaves Greipel as favourite.

But opportunities for others...

OGE & the sprinters teams should be pulling on the front to make this a bunch finish. But the final lumpy climbs & fast decent do give opportunities for a late break. Sojasun have been active so perhaps one of their riders.

For now I've gone, out of leftfield, Samuel Dumoulin (AG2R) EW at 80/1. A punchy rider on the climbs & in the mix for the sprints.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2013, 12:20:34 AM
Alexander Kristoff top 3 @ 7/1 betfair good value.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 03, 2013, 01:44:05 AM
Can't help but think that Marcel Kittel @ 16/1 e/w (4 places paid) with Coral is great value.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2013, 09:42:20 AM
Can't help but think that Marcel Kittel @ 16/1 e/w (4 places paid) with Coral is great value.

I tend to think that Kittel, although very fast, but too big and might find the final climbs too much and maybe the team will go with John Degenkolb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2013, 10:50:48 AM
Another thought for today, but looking at the overall. After yesterdays disappointing TTT from Garmin, today looks like a stage to catch Sky with surprise attacks. OGE will have to defend yellow, allowing Sky & the other GC teams any easy day. Occurs to me that if Garmin want to create chaos, Hesjedal, if feeling good could liven todays stage somewhat.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
Kristoff was 6th, but got boxed in the final 500m, not a bad effort having to jump wheels.

Dumoulin was a brave 11th  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sguSUmsWZH0

A pure sprinters stage, all the big boys should make it to the final.

Only worry is crosswinds early in the stage to break up the peloton.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-6-[aix-en-provence-montpellier-176km]/winner

Nothing looks attractive to go against Cavendish.

Kristoff likely to struggle with the big sprinters teams lining out the trains.

Maybe a day for Kittel to upset?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 04, 2013, 12:28:03 AM
If he doesn't crash again.  ::)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2013, 12:28:59 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UxSTXgYsE

lol OPQS have a mobile paddling pool, one up on Sky.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2013, 12:30:42 AM
If he doesn't crash again.  ::)

Unfortunate, I think he can compete with Cav if his train works perfectly.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2013, 12:18:06 PM
No bets today, yet....

Looks like the wind is blowing, big splits possible in the peloton if OPQS drill it.

Betfair & in play betting could get interesting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2013, 10:17:38 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAz1PoPXnk

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-06/Tour-de-France-Stage-7-1371041796.png)

Debateable how this stage pans out. With the first big mountain stage tomorrow many will prefer an easy day.

The bookies have priced it up for a bunch sprint for the big boys, fair enough. But this is one of the stages breakaway riders & teams with no GC ambition will have targeted. I'd estimate this has circa 20% chance of succeeding but I love a banzai with a price to match.

Lieuwe Westra 400/1. Vacansoleil rider at over 40 mins down on GC, so no threat. He has been active already in breaks. Interestingly he came in over 5 mins today, an indication that he is saving energy. No mean rider, he won a stage at the recent Tour of California, with a similar profile to this stage. Second in Paris-Nice 2012.

He who dares... ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2013, 12:13:10 AM
Added in Edvald Boasson Hagen. Can't ignore the fella, despite me having lost chunks on him in the past, he's on form & 25/1 EW looks decent. Due a return!

Was him or the other Norwegian Kristoff.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2013, 06:49:09 PM
Lieuwe Westra finished with the fat boys!  ::)

EBH continues to loose me chunks,  ;grr; ;grr; 6th, with better positioning he really should have got a top 3.

Still managed to get 4/1 on Froome for tomorrow  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 05, 2013, 07:24:14 PM
Had to dash out with about 50k to go but kept checking live odds on betfair. EBHwas huge second favourite (something like 4.0 compared to sagan 1.6) for almost all of the final part of the race. Just watched replay and he seemed to get bullied out of it a bit in the finish. So frustrating


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2013, 09:13:58 PM
Had to dash out with about 50k to go but kept checking live odds on betfair. EBHwas huge second favourite (something like 4.0 compared to sagan 1.6) for almost all of the final part of the race. Just watched replay and he seemed to get bullied out of it a bit in the finish. So frustrating

THE most frustrating rider ever...

Lost position early in the run in when he was on Sagan's wheel, & was then boxed in staying left, erghhhh

NO MORE EBH EVER  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2013, 11:21:26 PM

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOpURUp0Sbs

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2012-10/Tour-de-France-Stage-8-1351076080.png)

First day to glimpse the true form of the GC contenders. Probably in overall terms a minor skirmish. Sunday is another mountain stage followed by a rest day & then relatively flat until the 14th with the major Mont Ventoux climb. I don't imagine massive time gaps between the main protagonists.

Froome I think is favourite for the win. I'm reliably informed by an Italian sports scientist who studies the riders power data that Froome is able to break the record time (22:57) on Ax-3-Domaines.

Although a break could succeed if they pose no threat to the overall, expect Euskaltel riders to be present.

With the temperature expected to touch 30 degrees the Spaniards will feel right at home. Valverde, Rodriguez & Contador will have to attack Sky early in the Tour if they want to upset the favourite, particularly with the injury problems Sky have suffered. If they want to succeed an early attack on Col de Pailhères may be the way to go about it.


 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2013, 11:30:01 PM
Garmin still confident despite problems. 4 riders in the top twenty, 22 seconds down. Strength in numbers. Boom or Bust! like the attitude.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh7ZuE4rXRk


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 06, 2013, 04:16:07 AM
I think I've managed to spot a little bit of value in the TdF, and I've left it till just before the mountains to maximise returns:

The rules for the King of the Mountains competition are as follows:

"The general best climber ranking is established by adding together the points obtained on all passes and hills, according to the following tables:
• “Highest level” passes: 25,20,16,14,12,10,8,6,4,2 points respectively for first 10 riders to finish;
• Category 1 passes: 10,8,6,4,2,1 points respectively to the first 6 riders to finish ;
• Category 2 passes: 5,3,2,1 points respectively to the first 4 riders to finish;
• category 3 passes or hills : 2, 1 points, respectively to the first 2 riders to finish;
• category 4 passes: 1 point to the first rider to finish.
Points awarded are doubled for finishing on the 8th, 15th, 18th and 20th stages."

The same rules applied in 2011 and 2012. However, last year when Thomas Voeckler won the KOM jersey, there were only 2 summit finishes (both Cat 1), meaning that the competition favoured a more combative rider. In 2011, with 4 summit finishes, the doubling of points arguably had a major impact on the end result. The following insight is lifted from the 2011 TdF wiki:

"Early analysis led to speculation that the mountains classification winner would be more likely, under this system, to be a general classification contender than in years past.[9] This speculation proved accurate, as Samuel Sánchez, who finished 6th in the general classification, took the polka-dot jersey, and the top three finishers in the GC were in the top five of the mountains classification."

In 2013, there are again 4 summit finishes ... and 6 mountain stages with Category 2 climbs or higher.

At the moment, in the 2013 event, Blel Kadri is the leader of the KOM on 12 pts. His odds are currently 33/1 to win the competition.
The favourite, at 3/2, is Pierre Rolland (currently on 11 pts). A contender for the general classification, he will not be given room to ride in the breakaways, and instead will have to win the polka-dot jersey by out-climbing the other GC riders head-to-head. I do not think that this is very likely with climbers like Froome, Contador, Quintana, Rodriguez, Valverde and Evans in the field.
Somewhat surprisingly, Voeckler is generally a 4/1 second-favourite. Even though it is my theory that the nature of the competition will not suit him this year, I also believe that he is not in the best of form this year, and that he will struggle to match his outstanding performances from 2012 (when he won 2 stages).

So naturally, it is my contention that one of the GC contenders, and not a combative rider, will walk off with the polka-dot jersey this year. The only realistic threat to this assumption comes in the shape of Stage 19, where 2 HC climbs come within the first 100km, meaning that an attacking rider could conceivably snatch up 50 points. Caveat emptor.

So who then?
Chris Froome (16/1)? No. He doesn't need to win stages to win the yellow jersey. Although, he should be there or thereabouts in the final reckoning.
Joaquim Rodriguez (25/1)? At his best, definitely. He would be my pick on last year's form. But this year, he has yet to show me that he has the goods.
Nairo Quintana (16/1 ... 20/1 @ SkyBet)? Definitely e/w value. But then I am a bit of a fanboy.
Alberto Contador (40/1)? An e/w certainty if my theory holds. This price makes no sense to me. A born stage winner who does not like to finish second.
Cadel Evans (100/1)? Says he is in great shape. Should be up there with the leaders in the mountains. And is a very attractive price for a punt.

I suggest you pick your horses before the start of today's stage. I'm going with the last 3 for overall KOM (although Thomas De Gendt for the stage).



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 09:17:50 AM
Thanks cws, like your thoughts on this.

I've already had some on Froome on the basis I think he'll win at least two of the mountain top finish stages.

Will add Contador & the mighty Quintana EW.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 10:31:25 AM
The third biggest sporting event in the world.

The winner will get 450,000 euros, fair enough I suppose. The top riders will have multi million euro contracts & sponsorship deals.

10th will get 3,800 euros  :o

Your a domestique & you finish the Tour in say 109th spot, a major sporting achievement in itself. You've spent three weeks & nearly 3500 km killing yourself, you'll receive 400 euros :o

It's certainly not about the cash!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 02:17:37 PM
Beautiful approach to the Pyrennes.

Thomas pulling Sky on the front, he'll have to find his own way once on the climb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 06, 2013, 02:47:09 PM
Quintana on the attack!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 06, 2013, 02:48:31 PM
Quintana on the attack!

Come on!!

Sky are in a bit of trouble here aren't they?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 02:55:27 PM
Quintana on the attack!

Come on!!

Sky are in a bit of trouble here aren't they?

Riding Sky style... we'll see on the final climb


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
Sky certainly under pressure, but Porte looks cool.

Great racing...fantastic stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:08:22 PM
Sky certainly under pressure, but Porte looks cool.

Great racing...fantastic stage.

Movistar & Saxo still have good numbers left.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:26:59 PM
Will soon be just Porte & Froome against the rest to catch the Mighty Quin


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
Final selection........power from Froome....insane


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:41:29 PM
Porte sitting on Quintana


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:44:11 PM
Porte just as strong as Froome imo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:47:03 PM
Ten Dam passes Contador wtf!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:49:39 PM
Porte looks like he's laughing, but sure that's pain.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 06, 2013, 03:51:44 PM
Contador going backwards fast


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
I expected a Froome win, but not the time gaps to the other contenders, wow.

Valverde, surprised at his 3rd.

A lot to look at for top 10 & top 6. Still early days with much tougher stages.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 06, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
Hi Tonji

can you pop onto TfT and talk about

Porte Podium at 4-1 tick

Porte outright at 29-1 - needs Froome to come a cropper

Quintana e/w at 33-1  way he climbed today, and he's in the top ten, this must have a chance?

ta


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
Hi Tonji

can you pop onto TfT and talk about

Porte Podium at 4-1 tick

Porte outright at 29-1 - needs Froome to come a cropper

Quintana e/w at 33-1  way he climbed today, and he's in the top ten, this must have a chance?

ta

will do, just out soon though, so a bit later.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 06, 2013, 04:45:24 PM
Wow. What a cracking stage today. Thought for a moment that Quintana might be able to hold on. But Froome just pulverised everyone going up the final climb. Amazing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 06, 2013, 06:27:45 PM
Is it likely that Quintana will be given free reign now, with Valverde tailing Froome? Or will he act as a support rider ala Porte?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
Is it likely that Quintana will be given free reign now, with Valverde tailing Froome? Or will he act as a support rider ala Porte?

According to Spanish media he is still under team orders & only given free reign on Valverde's say so.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: horseplayer on July 06, 2013, 10:32:08 PM
Tonji who was the Quintana bet with for tft please?

cant find though sure i placed a small bet

cheers


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
Tonji who was the Quintana bet with for tft please?

cant find though sure i placed a small bet

cheers

I believe it was Hills horsey


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2013, 10:47:52 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpzLBChYGtQ

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-06/Tour-de-France-Stage-9-1372233647.png)

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-06/Tour-de-France-Stage-9-1372233654.png)

Sky will be defending the yellow & looking to control the breakaway, a hot, difficult & stressful day for them.

One of the stages opportunist riders, KOM hopefuls & desperate teams will be looking for a win. Add in the fact that teams like Saxo, BMC & Garmin suffered badly in stage 8 & I think this is the most unpredictable & explosive stage yet.

>50% chance a breakaway succeeds.

Bookies have Voeckler @ 6/1, he’ll try but really don’t see him having much success, no value there imo.

Some names I think could make it in a break:

Gorka Izagirre.
Brice Feillu.
Lieuwe Westar (again!) or maybe from the same team Thomas de Gendt.
Blel Kadri
Matteo Trentin
Simon Clarke
Lars Petter Nordhaug

A frantic & scary day for all, whether a top GC or sprinter looking to make the time cut off...

Mark Cavendish ‏@MarkCavendish
Today's stage should have been piss easy compared to tomorrow. Which absolutely terrifies me!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 10:40:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOjf1p8CYAE949J.jpg)

Lovely spot for a bike ride.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 10:49:37 AM
Rohan Dennis won't start today's stage say Garmin-Sharp, two men down  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 07, 2013, 11:45:40 AM
Froome isolated 130km out! Didn't see this coming


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 11:59:10 AM
Froome isolated 130km out! Didn't see this coming

TdF gone insane... great stuff


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 12:00:52 PM
Froome isolated 130km out! Didn't see this coming

TdF gone insane... great stuff

Sprinters & non climbers will be in danger of missing the cut off time at this pace.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 12:15:30 PM
Still 3 mountain tops still to come...how is this going to pan out  :dontask:


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 12:28:23 PM
Still 3 mountain tops still to come...how is this going to pan out  :dontask:

Would love to see what's going on in the Sky team cars. Brailsford hates to loose control.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on July 07, 2013, 12:43:27 PM
They're going over the climb today that Fabio Casartelli died on a few years ago.

I remember watching that at the time.  IIRC, that's the accident that triggered the mandatory wearing of helmets.

Whenever I see footage of them descending, even now, it brings back memories of that accident and the risks that they take in the race.

It's similar to the bunch sprints always reminding me of Abdoujaparov's crash against the barriers.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 01:41:10 PM
Simon Clarke having a go...

Porte on his way back...

Exciting stuff, to the last climb & then long descent.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 01:48:03 PM
Like the look of Dan Martin FTW available @ 20/1. Fast on the line in a reduced bunch sprint.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
Richie Porte almost 10 mins down! A bad day & poor positioning early in the stage has cost him dearly.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 03:03:34 PM
Like the look of Dan Martin FTW available @ 20/1. Fast on the line in a reduced bunch sprint.

Go Dan....will be tight


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 03:15:53 PM
Like the look of Dan Martin FTW available @ 20/1. Fast on the line in a reduced bunch sprint.

Go Dan....will be tight

Beauty!  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Rubbish2407 on July 07, 2013, 03:16:46 PM
Was Dan Martin in the lead group of two when you posted Tonji?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2013, 03:19:06 PM
Was Dan Martin in the lead group of two when you posted Tonji?

In the bunch on the final climb. He's been my profitable rider this season.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Rubbish2407 on July 07, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Cracking pick. I was cooking dinner and saw your post. Five minutes later the two of them were 50 seconds ahead and the price had gone. Wasn't sure if he had made the break before you posted.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 07, 2013, 06:13:04 PM
Lovely spot, Tonji. Pity I was at work.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 08, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
I was just having a look at the prices for tomorrow's Stage 10 (nothing OOL btw), when I noticed that the price for Richie Porte to win the King of the Mountains had fallen off a cliff ... 200/1 @ Bet365 (e/w 1/4 odds, 1-2-3) and 150/1 generally.

I found this extremely surprising for a man currently sitting in 3rd place in the race for the polka-dot jersey, and who said in his last interview: “my climbing form is pretty good. I fought alone there by myself, and I’ll be fine.”
Also: “There’s still another two weeks of the Tour, so I am looking forward to moving on,” Porte said. “A recovery day, a few sprint stages, I think it will come around again.”

The fact that Porte has fallen out of GC contention, might actually help his chances in the KOM, as he will be given the leeway to launch attacks, if it is tactically advantageous to do so. If he can find the form that he displayed on the first mountain stage, then he is bound to pick up some more points. I'm not saying that he is going to win the polka-dot jersey (in fact, I don't think that he will), but at 50/1 odds for a podium place, he is definite value, and I have gladly risked a fiver each way.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2013, 06:25:38 PM
Top spotting cws, cheers, like it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2013, 06:35:00 PM
Not sure if I'll get the chance to look closely at tomorrows stage. Seems a straight forward & dull with a sprint finish. With Cav, Greipel, Kittel & Sagan all have one win each it's hard to imagine anyone else taking this one.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-10-[st-gildas-des-bois-saint-malo-197km]/winner

As cws said, nothing much strikes me of interest. Vaguely think the Goss price of 50/1 may be value what with the first week form of OGE, he's not shown much so far, but could be geed up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
This young fella has been great. 3rd yesterday & 8th on GC & all within a team dedicated to Cav. He may struggle in the final week, but a future GT star for sure.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIr_77PmaDA


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2013, 09:01:16 PM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/788308917.gif?1373199178)

Simon Clarke touching nearly 100km/hr on the descent yesterday  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2013, 01:08:46 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C9yq03TdUc

A good explanation of how a sprint stage often works.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 09, 2013, 02:49:30 PM
“My condition is not brilliant but I improve every day in the grand tours,” said Contador. “I feel my best in the third week."

For someone who does not cycle, is it possible to improve so much in a few weeks? Does this mean that the riders come in to the start of the tour in less than peak shape and do the final bit of preperation during the first week so they hit peak at the end? Is it not possible to maintain peak form for 3 weeks?



Also, I've been looking for ages for Tour de France DVD's. Wanting to watch the whole tours highlights of the Contador years especially. Has anyone been daft enough to come out with a 20 hour boxset of it :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2013, 08:33:43 PM
Head to head. Sven Tuft v Cam Meyer

with PP, as much as you like on Tuft.

http://greenedgecycling.com/news/q-a-with-sport-director-matt-white-on-tour-de-france-stage-ten

Quote
Q: Is Svein Tuft okay after his minor crash with Andrew Talansky (Garmin Sharp)? Are we worried that the crash will impact his time trial tomorrow?

Svein is completely fine. We could have used his horsepower in the final, so in terms of our objectives today, it wasn’t ideal to have lost him like that. On the other hand, he was able to sit up and roll in once he lost contact with the field and that saves his legs a bit before the time trial. He’ll be going 100% tomorrow.

Q: You said two days ago we’d need to see how Cam Meyer felt today before deciding how he’d approach the time trial tomorrow. What decision has been taken?

Cam will not go full gas tomorrow. He’ll ride within himself and focus on our plans for him later in the race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2013, 09:55:57 PM
“My condition is not brilliant but I improve every day in the grand tours,” said Contador. “I feel my best in the third week."

For someone who does not cycle, is it possible to improve so much in a few weeks? Does this mean that the riders come in to the start of the tour in less than peak shape and do the final bit of preperation during the first week so they hit peak at the end? Is it not possible to maintain peak form for 3 weeks?



Also, I've been looking for ages for Tour de France DVD's. Wanting to watch the whole tours highlights of the Contador years especially. Has anyone been daft enough to come out with a 20 hour boxset of it :)

Not an expert on rider performance, but I think a rider can peak to 100% & maintain that for perhaps 4 weeks or so. Often they split the season in two & try & peak twice. Some riders prefer to come into the tour at say 90/95%, especially this one with the stacked final week. We'll see with Contador if this is the case, but have my doubts, perhaps this is his true level post doping.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Why Tony Martin will likely win tomorrow despite probably not being 100%

http://instagram.com/p/bjjsAzvvoO/

No one can spin that chain ring as strongly as he does. Monster!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2013, 11:09:15 AM
(http://www.thewondersoftheworld.net/images/montsaintmichel2.jpg)

Stunning backdrop for todays TT finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2013, 09:36:27 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R0NQT2liyY

A flat stage heading south east towards the Alps. A messy finish is possible for the sprinters with two 90 degree turns in the last km. Looks like riders that are fast & with excellent bike handling skills could emerge from any chaos for the win. I've gone Sagan @ 12/1. But may turn into a lottery.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
A couple of thoughts

Mikel Nieve top 10. Has had top ten finishes in the Vuelta & Giro, looking to add the Tour to that list. Looks to be in strong climbing form & with the mountainous last week can climb from his current 15th, about 3 mins behind 10th. 7/4 available, not great value? But could drift.

PP have Richie Porte on number of stage wins @ under 0.5 1.16. over 0.5 4.50. One bad day doesn't harm his chances especially in the last week. Remember he was 2nd in stage 8. Froome has minutes in hand over his rivals, he can use his friend tactically to set up a win. At least three chances next week, plus stage 17, the hilly time trial.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 11, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
Never seen Cav outsprinted like that before! Looks like he couldnt believe it either, with that glance round on the line


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2013, 06:14:30 PM
Never seen Cav outsprinted like that before! Looks like he couldnt believe it either, with that glance round on the line

I don't think he can have any excuses, the Kittel lad was just faster.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2013, 06:45:57 PM
Sky down another man. EBH has abandoned with a fractured shoulder after todays crash.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0BgYQ2KNs

Still heading south east to end in a mad dash.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2013, 10:10:23 PM
The best sprinter in the Tour.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Zqv2ltI_Y

In foreign with sub-titles


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 03:39:23 PM
Plenty of drama for a flat stage.

Now Saxo-Tinkoff attacking in the crosswinds to isolate Froome.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 12, 2013, 03:48:56 PM
Good news for Quintana bets, Valverde looks like hes a gonner in the GC


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 03:58:56 PM
Good news for Quintana bets, Valverde looks like hes a gonner in the GC

Looks like he'll drop out of the top ten. Surely Movistar must be all for Quintana now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 04:08:49 PM
Cav or Sagan?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 04:16:36 PM
25th Tour win for Cav, sure earned that one, riding on the front & not missing any of the attacks. Quality.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 12, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
What a great stage. Wasnt expecting that! Game on in the GC. And nice to see Cav win


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 04:18:49 PM
1. Froome 51:00:30
2. Mollema +2:28
3. Contador +2:45


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 12, 2013, 04:21:01 PM
Who is Mollema and is he/team a threat to Froome in the Alps/time trial?

Will Movistar now switch to Quintana and try to get him on the podium?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 12, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
Another unbelievable stage. Can't wait for the mountains now. Anything could happen.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 04:28:01 PM
Another unbelievable stage. Can't wait for the mountains now. Anything could happen.

Wonderful stuff, love it  :) One of the great Tours imo already & still the best to come...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 04:34:36 PM
Who is Mollema and is he/team a threat to Froome in the Alps/time trial?

Will Movistar now switch to Quintana and try to get him on the podium?

Hi Tighty

Done a quick update on TfT.

Mollema & Belkin are having a great tour, I can't see him riding away from Froome in the mountains, he's more a rider to follow wheels in the big mountains & hang on (I think....as he disappears over the summit  :)).

Today was exceptional & unexpected racing for a flat stage. So many twists & turns to come.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2013, 06:25:52 PM
Away for a couple of days.

But will be on Thibaut Pinot for sunday's stage to Mont Ventoux. He's had some well documented troubles with descending, & this stage is the only opportunity to make a mark in the Tour & save his season. The French press have been giving him a hard time & his coach has suggested that this stage he'll be prominent. It's also Bastille day, all the French riders will be looking for a win on this iconic stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on July 12, 2013, 07:50:57 PM
Surely one of Cav's best ever stage wins, outstanding tactically.

If Froome wins, it would be a truely great tour performance given the lack of team support he's had.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 13, 2013, 04:09:12 PM
I believe Movistar have just made up 12 minutes on Saxo-Tinkoff and Belkin in the team classification after today's stage. Ladbrokes still have them at 8/1 last I looked. Just saying.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 13, 2013, 08:51:33 PM
Another unbelievable stage. Can't wait for the mountains now. Anything could happen.

Wonderful stuff, love it  :) One of the great Tours imo already & still the best to come...

Best flat stage ever in TdF imo. Amazing tactics throughout the field.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2013, 12:19:25 PM
Only caught up with the highlights of yesterday, looked like a great head to head between the best climbers in the Tour.

Froome looks in monster form. Only accident or injury can take it away from him.

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/CORVOS_00021660-083.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcO0aH_XPvs

Looks a pretty open stage, >50% chance a breakaway group could succeed. Rain expected at the finish & the tricky fast descent just adds to the lottery of this one.

Sagan favourite, but it seems likely his Cannondale team would have to pull on the front to reel in the break, not sure if they are up for it.

Some names in mind.

Philippe Gilbert, World Champion, & still no win this year. Looks to be in more than decent form with a better than expected ride up Mont Ventoux. With Evan out of the running for GC, he should have the chance to ride for himself.

OGE have this stage noted, Gerrans should be well rested have taken it easy on stage 15. They may use Albasini also.

If the GC guys make the finish in the front group, look for Michal Kwiatkowski.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2013, 09:29:49 AM
Sounds like Argos-Shimano are looking for a win today, I've added John Degenkolb, small EW.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2013, 01:22:37 PM
Gilbert has made it into the early break of 25 riders, together with Albasini & Meyer from OGE.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 16, 2013, 02:19:07 PM
Now that the breakaway has been established, I quite fancy Adam Hansen for the win. He won a similar stage in this year's Giro, and as part of the Lotto-Belisol train for Greipel, is a more than capable sprinter. Bet365 are still offering each-way odds of 33/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2013, 02:52:43 PM
Now that the breakaway has been established, I quite fancy Adam Hansen for the win. He won a similar stage in this year's Giro, and as part of the Lotto-Belisol train for Greipel, is a more than capable sprinter. Bet365 are still offering each-way odds of 33/1.

Missed the price, agree good chance, can also solo away from distance if necessary. Good luck.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 16, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
Now that the breakaway has been established, I quite fancy Adam Hansen for the win. He won a similar stage in this year's Giro, and as part of the Lotto-Belisol train for Greipel, is a more than capable sprinter. Bet365 are still offering each-way odds of 33/1.

Missed the price, agree good chance, can also solo away from distance if necessary. Good luck.



Haha. Hansen finished last of the breakaway bunch. His attack at the bottom of the final climb lasted all of one minute, before he cracked like a watermelon. Nice plan. ;dingdell; Oh well, can't win 'em all. Go Quintana!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Now that the breakaway has been established, I quite fancy Adam Hansen for the win. He won a similar stage in this year's Giro, and as part of the Lotto-Belisol train for Greipel, is a more than capable sprinter. Bet365 are still offering each-way odds of 33/1.

Missed the price, agree good chance, can also solo away from distance if necessary. Good luck.



Haha. Hansen finished last of the breakaway bunch. His attack at the bottom of the final climb lasted all of one minute, before he cracked like a watermelon. Nice plan. ;dingdell; Oh well, can't win 'em all. Go Quintana!

Good to see Valverde working for the young fella.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2013, 10:52:37 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upAeXvY-SJ0

Froome, odds on favourite. However with a the toughest stages to come, he may be looking to conserve some energy & take a few less risks on the descents.

Weather could play a major role in the out come of the stage. Seems like a 70% chance of rain tomorrow. The earlier starters may miss it. Tony Martin is the best of the early, but a few other names could surprise. Westra, Castroviejo, Cam Meyer & Tuft.

Porte will not be full gas tomorrow according to Sky.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 16, 2013, 11:05:49 PM
Pretty obv how much Froomie dislikes Contador, has had words with him several times already.

Gotta be Martin for the TT. Can see quite a few riders taking this TT very easy. Last chance for a rest with all the climbing coming up


I reckon the sprinters etc may need letting off the sweep in the mountains, like last year. Can't see all the 'fat boys' getting home in all those mountain stages within the time


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 17, 2013, 07:54:25 AM
Anyone know why bookies are only paying 2 places on each way bets today? Seems ridiculous. Most of them wont take each way bets full stop


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 08:28:17 AM
Anyone know why bookies are only paying 2 places on each way bets today? Seems ridiculous. Most of them wont take each way bets full stop

Poor show really, 180 riders & only 2 places, & PP only 1/5 odds


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 08:34:52 AM
Mixed reports on the weather today, but still seems to be a greater chance of thunder storms for the later starters.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 09:28:31 AM
Mixed reports on the weather today, but still seems to be a greater chance of thunder storms for the later starters.

http://france.meteoconsult.fr/meteo/chorges/france/prevision_meteo_chorges_france_ville__1240_0.php?vue=detail&url=http://france.lachainemeteo.com/meteo-france/ville/previsions-meteo-chorges-1240-0.php#

A few darts thrown on some early starters.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 10:53:28 AM
Peraud cracks collar bone in morning recce.

Check PP for match bets  ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 17, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Right. Westra's in the lead. Let the raindance commence. ;sexybanana; :dd: ;karabiner;

PS. Got on your Peraud tip, Tonji. Where do you get your news from?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 11:32:49 AM
Right. Westra's in the lead. Let the raindance commence. ;sexybanana; :dd: ;karabiner;

PS. Got on your Peraud tip, Tonji. Where do you get your news from?

Follow all the teams & cycling journos on twitter. Gotta love how instant media is now.

Peraud has returned from hospital, clean fracture, but will start TT. Hope Fuglsang is on a good day!

Froome will switch to a TT bike for the final descent. Stats tell us he has never won a ITT.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on July 17, 2013, 11:40:08 AM
Plenty of firms offering match bets. Must be some value somewhere if one of you experts could wade through and find it for me please :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on July 17, 2013, 11:43:12 AM
Any opinion on Roman v Mollema h2h?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on July 17, 2013, 11:46:19 AM
And Contador v Quintana


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
Plenty of firms offering match bets. Must be some value somewhere if one of you experts could wade through and find it for me please :)

Value now gone from the Peraud match bet.

Still Froome v Field @ 3.00 (weather dependent).

Juggling stuff here, but have heard De Gendt will not be full gas today, not had time to look for a match.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 11:50:32 AM
Any opinion on Roman v Mollema h2h?

Both will be full gas. Mollema confident!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on July 17, 2013, 11:53:14 AM
Chvanal in match v DE Gendt


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
And Contador v Quintana

Contador has lost skin on his knee from yesterday, but will be ok. Takes more chances on descents. Quintana better uphill, still unsure on his descending, & has only recceed stage this morning. Close one.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on July 17, 2013, 11:55:44 AM
Tony Martin 4/11 v De Gendt

Buying money?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 11:57:20 AM
Chvanal in match v DE Gendt

Yep found that also. I'm on Chava. A touch concerned about weather later on this one, but still good imo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Nico29 on July 17, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Plenty of firms offering match bets. Must be some value somewhere if one of you experts could wade through and find it for me please :)

Value now gone from the Peraud match bet.

Still Froome v Field @ 3.00 (weather dependent).

Juggling stuff here, but have heard De Gendt will not be full gas today, not had time to look for a match.

Surely 5/6 v someone who's just had a hospital visit/broken collar bone is ok?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 12:04:24 PM
Tony Martin 4/11 v De Gendt

Buying money?

Not quite, but if your pockets are deep! Personally not like the price, but I'm on a budget Dubai  ;)

Remember the stage is technical, really one of the most difficult last ITT in recent history. Thunder storms later. Add in some teams are looking to make bike changes for the descent... plenty of mishaps...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on July 17, 2013, 12:06:33 PM
Ah assumed if one guy wasn't giving it his all against best ITT in world, altho obv course doesn't suit, it would require more than act of god to get him beat.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
Plenty of firms offering match bets. Must be some value somewhere if one of you experts could wade through and find it for me please :)

Value now gone from the Peraud match bet.

Still Froome v Field @ 3.00 (weather dependent).

Juggling stuff here, but have heard De Gendt will not be full gas today, not had time to look for a match.

Surely 5/6 v someone who's just had a hospital visit/broken collar bone is ok?

Fuglsang is an average TT, Peraud a lot better. Peraud will get a pain injection. He's the top French rider in the Tour, he'll still give 100%.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 17, 2013, 12:11:26 PM
Not giving you prices...

Velits v Cadel Evans, what price would you want Velits?

Quintana v Contador, what price would you want Quintana? Evens enough? 5/4? 6/4?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 12:11:55 PM
Right, out in a bit. Rain dance all please for later.

Good luck with your bets.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Nico29 on July 17, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
Plenty of firms offering match bets. Must be some value somewhere if one of you experts could wade through and find it for me please :)

Value now gone from the Peraud match bet.

Still Froome v Field @ 3.00 (weather dependent).

Juggling stuff here, but have heard De Gendt will not be full gas today, not had time to look for a match.

Surely 5/6 v someone who's just had a hospital visit/broken collar bone is ok?

Fuglsang is an average TT, Peraud a lot better. Peraud will get a pain injection. He's the top French rider in the Tour, he'll still give 100%.

Fair do's. Was always 5/6 since I saw yr orig mention that's all, thought he'd gone huge odds on or something.

Presume when you posted he was odds against.

Meh, should not be so hasty in future, hopefully this 'misclick' of mine will work out.

Price is always king of crse. :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 12:15:55 PM
Not giving you prices...

Velits v Cadel Evans, what price would you want Velits?

Quintana v Contador, what price would you want Quintana? Evens enough? 5/4? 6/4?

Steered clear of Evans v Velits. I've no info on how Evans is feeling, he's an unpredictable old sod.

Quintana v Contador, I'd have Contador a shade favourite. Close one that I think.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 12:20:35 PM
Plenty of firms offering match bets. Must be some value somewhere if one of you experts could wade through and find it for me please :)

Value now gone from the Peraud match bet.

Still Froome v Field @ 3.00 (weather dependent).

Juggling stuff here, but have heard De Gendt will not be full gas today, not had time to look for a match.

Surely 5/6 v someone who's just had a hospital visit/broken collar bone is ok?

Fuglsang is an average TT, Peraud a lot better. Peraud will get a pain injection. He's the top French rider in the Tour, he'll still give 100%.

Fair do's. Was always 5/6 since I saw yr orig mention that's all, thought he'd gone huge odds on or something.

Presume when you posted he was odds against.

Meh, should not be so hasty in future, hopefully this 'misclick' of mine will work out.

Price is always king of crse. :)

Yep, good luck.

Funking for Fuglsang, Westra to hold and RAIN at about 3pm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 17, 2013, 12:20:46 PM
Not giving you prices...

Velits v Cadel Evans, what price would you want Velits?

Quintana v Contador, what price would you want Quintana? Evens enough? 5/4? 6/4?

Steered clear of Evans v Velits. I've no info on how Evans is feeling, he's an unpredictable old sod.

Quintana v Contador, I'd have Contador a shade favourite. Close one that I think.

B365 Have Quintana 13/8. I was tempted

Evans has been a bit inconsistent this tour, dropped on a few climbs. Velits is a noted time trialler, I think. B365 5/4 Velits appealed too

warning: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing :-)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 17, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
do you watch on Europsport or ITV? which and why?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on July 17, 2013, 01:34:06 PM
do you watch on Europsport or ITV? which and why?

Oooh this is a toughy. I prefer itv's commentary mainly because I grew up with liggett and sherwin doing the channel 4 half an hour highlights and basically their commentary = cycling to me.

Having said that itv having breaks in the last hour of the race constantly tilts me greatly, they missed froomes break on the 1st mountain stage aka the most significant point of the day and possibly the tour.

So I am currently a Eurosport guy.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 06:41:32 PM
Mixed day.

Peraud put up a fight to scupper the match bet, but crashed again on his fractured shoulder. Real ouch moment, particularly as his wife & family were on that corner cheering him on.

De Ghent seems to have decided late to go full gas  :( after earlier the teams DS indicated he'd be taking it easy. Awkward bugger!

Rain never really hampered Froome, who's still in beast mode.

Hope Tighty was on Evans match bet? I can't remember the last time Evans didn't try.

Not sure if I'll have time to look at tomorrows Alpe D'Huez stage.

Maybe just enjoy the spectacle.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 08:47:39 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqUe2B-g_uY

The iconic Queen stage of this years Tour. Twice up Alpe D'Huez, with what is reckoned to be the most dangerous descent of the race. Thunderstorms possible.

Not to be missed.

Eurosport are showing the stage from the start at 10.45am.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Dubai on July 17, 2013, 09:16:57 PM
Who everyone fancy tomoro? Froome weakish in market at moment, drifted to 3/1. Anyone going to put me off??


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 17, 2013, 09:42:13 PM
Who everyone fancy tomoro? Froome weakish in market at moment, drifted to 3/1. Anyone going to put me off??

At 3/1, you won't be making a mistake. Thing is, I can't see that price anywhere. Mostly 2/1 now. Hope you got some.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 17, 2013, 09:46:54 PM
11/4 froome bet365. Great price.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 09:49:11 PM
Who everyone fancy tomoro? Froome weakish in market at moment, drifted to 3/1. Anyone going to put me off??

Not putting you off Dubai. After all he is the best uphill at the moment. He'll come under attack from Saxo, Movistar, & Katusha, also think Garmin are going to get involved. He's vulnerable on the descent off Alpe D'Huez, & likely to be on the defensive most of the stage. A stage win will only come if he's safe, say 5km from the top.

Plenty of riders outside the top ten, mainly French & Dutch looking for a stage win. A scenario where a rider from a small break could take the win, while the GC guys duke it out further down the mountain.

My first thought was Quintana, but he mentioned in the media after today to feeling a bit tired.

More later, need a ponder  :)




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 17, 2013, 10:02:17 PM
Who everyone fancy tomoro? Froome weakish in market at moment, drifted to 3/1. Anyone going to put me off??

Not putting you off Dubai. After all he is the best uphill at the moment. He'll come under attack from Saxo, Movistar, & Katusha, also think Garmin are going to get involved. He's vulnerable on the descent off Alpe D'Huez, & likely to be on the defensive most of the stage. A stage win will only come if he's safe, say 5km from the top.

Plenty of riders outside the top ten, mainly French & Dutch looking for a stage win. A scenario where a rider from a small break could take the win, while the GC guys duke it out further down the mountain.

My first thought was Quintana, but he mentioned in the media after today to feeling a bit tired.

More later, need a ponder  :)




Tonji, as always, sums it up perfectly. Every GC contender and wannabe will be attacking tomorrow. Froome really doesn't need to take any risks on the descents tomorrow.

Can see a breakaway taking the stage win, dependant on course on what games the GC riders play tomorrow


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 10:20:44 PM
I like to go against favourites, or at least find some value & reasons...

I'm on Mikel Nieve, the Basque Euskaltel - Euskadi rider was next best on Mont Ventoux & seemed to get stronger as climb progressed. He's won big mountain stages in the Giro & Vuelta. Over 23 mins down on GC, he'll have some freedom. His team are desperate to attract sponsors before the end of season & may fold, he'll be motivated for them, but have in mind a big transfer if the team folds. A win on Alpe D'Huez will get him a big move to a top team. I could only get on at 15/1.

Also gonna go with my season favourite Dan Martin. In the media he's been talking down his overall finish, but hinting at another stage win. Garmin have the ability tactically to engineer stage wins under the noses of bigger GC teams. They'll use Talansky & Martin, both seem to get stronger in the later stages of tours, they may have to go from a long way out, much the same as his stage win in Catalunya. Hills are a touch out of line at 66/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: AndrewT on July 17, 2013, 10:35:44 PM
do you watch on Europsport or ITV? which and why?

Oooh this is a toughy. I prefer itv's commentary mainly because I grew up with liggett and sherwin doing the channel 4 half an hour highlights and basically their commentary = cycling to me.

Having said that itv having breaks in the last hour of the race constantly tilts me greatly, they missed froomes break on the 1st mountain stage aka the most significant point of the day and possibly the tour.

So I am currently a Eurosport guy.

Here in Ireland the TdF coverage is on TG4 - the Gaelic-language channel. That's quite the challenge to follow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2013, 10:37:14 PM

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2012-10/Tour-de-France-Stage-18-1351076266.png)

The descent of Alpe D'Huez is off the Col de Sarenne.

(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/07/WATSON_00003386-028-659x440.jpg)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVLY9y3uGKE

Narrow, loose surface, technical, dangerous & if wet this part of the stage could get neutralised or cancelled.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 11:05:43 AM
Who's on what for today?

I've added Rodriguez, after his best TT performance yesterday, think he's now in top shape. 9/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
Probing attacks right from the start. Stressful day for Froome.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 12:03:29 PM
Looks like Saxo & Movistar are going to try & get rid of Richie Porte before the first climb of Alpe D'Huez.

Really brutal start. Fear for the gruppetto, they'll struggle to make the time cut. Hope the commissaires use discretion.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 12:11:37 PM
Finally settled down with a nine rider break.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 02:32:05 PM
boo Dan Martin out the back, having a bad day. :(

Rolland & Schleck looking prominent


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
Anyone still fancy any of the GC guys, prices have drifted. Leaders gap from yellow group is by no means safe.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
What a ride by Jens!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 04:18:27 PM
What a finish!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
Great ride from Quintana, strong still  ;hattip;

Froome owes Porte big time!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 18, 2013, 04:36:03 PM
Any penalty likely for Froome?

Starting to think Quintana could have won this had he not gone on the attack so early in those stages in week 1.

Where do you reckon Kreuziger would be if he didnt have to do so much work for Contador? Has dragged him 100's of kilometers up mountains in last few weeks!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Any penalty likely for Froome?

Starting to think Quintana could have won this had he not gone on the attack so early in those stages in week 1.

Where do you reckon Kreuziger would be if he didnt have to do so much work for Contador? Has dragged him 100's of kilometers up mountains in last few weeks!

Quintana can still win, the next two stages are just as tough as today. It does require Froome to implode, I don't see it happening, but...Quintana & Valverde both looking good. Rodriguez will attack for a podium & looks to be in top form now. We know Contador never gives up, he'll still give it a shot. Interesting few days ahead.

Kreuziger has been a level this year above anything seen before, not sure where that's come from.

Valverde would be in 2nd if not for the unfortunate puncture. He's been so much better than I thought pre race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2013, 09:21:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPeU9uYCAAAY2xK.jpg)

Adam Hansen enjoys a beer on Alpe D'Huez  ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 08:45:05 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lc1_DZpuLw

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2013-06/Tour-de-France-Stage-19-1371042205.png)

Plenty of tweets from the riders fearing this stage more than yesterdays.

Rodriguez ftw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 19, 2013, 08:46:25 AM
Froome cant even be laid on betfair for todaysstage, back is 38.0.   Was yesterday a blip or does he look like he's running out of steam?

Freds paying top 4 today on EW bets if anyone is having a punt. Nieve looks best priuced there @ 12/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 08:55:04 AM
Froome cant even be laid on betfair for todaysstage, back is 38.0.   Was yesterday a blip or does he look like he's running out of steam?

Freds paying top 4 today on EW bets if anyone is having a punt. Nieve looks best priuced there @ 12/1

Hi Vic

I think yesterday was just a blip. Not eating properly on the stage can just suddenly empty the tank. But generally no lasting effects for the next day.

Not looked properly at the betting. Nieve is now going for the KOM, so will certainly be in the mix.

Properly a day to hold fire a touch & monitor the in play betting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 08:57:19 AM
(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/CORVOS_00021678-119.jpg)

The crucial moment yesterday for Froome. Great photograph.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 08:59:15 AM
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/07/chasing-le-tour-riblon-wins-the-double-alpe/

Yesterday in photos.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 09:02:34 AM
(https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBgtaHR0cDovL3N0YXRpYy5vdy5seS9waG90b3Mvb3JpZ2luYWwvMkVpRzYuanBnFAQWABIA&s=iXIGiZi02zBiyBXE--1kvr072FRXINlqGMlgmE9izyQ)

 :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 19, 2013, 09:03:40 AM
:)

Cheers Tonji, great stuff


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
Apparently a million people were on the mountain yesterday, Tour hyperbole? Maybe, but I was there in 95 & it was one of my fondest sporting memories, surreal Euro madness. The noise is astonishing, it just builds as the race approaches, the crowd, helicopters, car horns, indescribable really how exciting it was. Watching yesterday it looked just as crazy as ever, great memories.


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaK7KtZDtVg

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J7rbKn-Jkc

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6vImg515H0


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: The Camel on July 19, 2013, 10:54:08 AM
Why is Froome getting a hard time re drugs whereas Wiggins seemed to have it pretty easy?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on July 19, 2013, 11:04:06 AM
Why is Froome getting a hard time re drugs whereas Wiggins seemed to have it pretty easy?

Wiggins certainly got plenty of questions from the French press last year. I think until yesterday's froomes complete dominance led to suspicions. Interesting sky have released some of froomes number ( power output etc) to l'equipe and they have basically apologised and said they are all within reasonable bounds.

If I am honest I would not bet any money on him (or the rest of peloton) being truly clean, but I hold that view about all top sportspeople.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Why is Froome getting a hard time re drugs whereas Wiggins seemed to have it pretty easy?

Wiggins certainly got plenty of questions from the French press last year. I think until yesterday's froomes complete dominance led to suspicions. Interesting sky have released some of froomes number ( power output etc) to l'equipe and they have basically apologised and said they are all within reasonable bounds.

If I am honest I would not bet any money on him (or the rest of peloton) being truly clean, but I hold that view about all top sportspeople.

What longy says.

Wiggins pretty much told to the media to fk off, whereas Froome is less abrasive.

Despite cycling well documented doping problems, the sport has the highest testing, in & out of competition, add in rider blood passports & the cheats do get caught. It's laughable how higher profile sports do so little in drug testing. One day Tennis & Football will have to go through the same media scrutiny that cycling has & is going through re doping.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Froome cant even be laid on betfair for todaysstage, back is 38.0.   Was yesterday a blip or does he look like he's running out of steam?

Freds paying top 4 today on EW bets if anyone is having a punt. Nieve looks best priuced there @ 12/1

Hi Vic

I think yesterday was just a blip. Not eating properly on the stage can just suddenly empty the tank. But generally no lasting effects for the next day.

Not looked properly at the betting. Nieve is now going for the KOM, so will certainly be in the mix.

Properly a day to hold fire a touch & monitor the in play betting.

Early in the stage but Nieve trading as favourite @ 7/1

The 30 rider counter attack group has some good candidates for the win, Nieve, but also Navarro, Bardet & 3/4 others.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2013, 03:44:06 PM
Almost night time in that storm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOOsZ4RVWv0

A short stage before Paris, but plenty of uphill riding, finishing with a steep climb to torment at the end.

Froome shouldn't have any problems, he'll likely just follow the battle for podium places.

Unusually for Contador he'll have to ride to defend second. Purito & Katusha are likely to be the most active, currently 5th, 47 secs behind Contador.

KOM the mountains battle will get settled. Personally I need Froome to win that for a healthy profit, or Quintana to cover my bets & a smaller profit.

Also I'll be funking for Talansky to make top ten overall.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 12:08:41 PM
Purito on twitter: Hoy voy morir matando!!!! (Today I will die fighting!!)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 12:46:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPnQh_3CAAA1dbL.jpg)

Quintana mobbed ahead of the start. The next superstar & dominant force in cycling.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 01:36:41 PM
Not hanging around today!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 03:48:19 PM
Didn't expect Sky to drill it at the bottom of the climb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
Go Talansky  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 04:19:32 PM
Great ride Quintana, well deserved win & KOM jersey  ;applause; ;applause; ;applause;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 04:23:03 PM
Go Talansky  :)

Nice job Talansky, gets in the top ten.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 20, 2013, 04:23:34 PM
Quintana brilliant


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: RedFox on July 20, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Loved the tour - id love to go and watch a few stages next year - time to plan  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2013, 11:30:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPpicT6CIAEuATc.gif)

Tomorrows finish at dusk will look spectacular.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2013, 09:06:20 AM
I thought the 2013 Tour one of the best. 100% better than last year, despite what looks like Froome dominance, the other teams & riders came out to attack. I can only really think of two dullish stages.

(http://images.theage.com.au/2013/07/22/4589404/---art_chris_froome_20130722070842398128-620x349.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Waz1892 on July 22, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Sorry to hijack with a silly post, as I don't have any knowledge on cycling, however I could resist...

I think its' great that the French have kept up the recent trend, and continue allow us travel around the country to showcase our best of talent for 3 weeks of the year, especially when they themselves like cycling. 

I think they even have a long race or something.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on July 22, 2013, 12:26:32 PM

Hi Tonji.

A quick "thank you" for this thread, & the daily TdF Updates.

Your enthusiasm for all things bike racing is lovely to see, & you've allowed many of us to share the fun.

blonde survives because of threads like this.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
After three weeks of the toughest bike race, Froome doesn't have a holiday. From tonight he'll ride a series of criteriums across Holland and Belgium. bugger that!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 22, 2013, 08:03:46 PM
Yeah Tonji thanks for the updates and all the great stuff posted in the thread.  Massive post tour downer today! Its fast become my favourite sporting event of the year. Didnt miss a single minute of coverage this year! Deffo gonna go and watch it next year and try and do an Alps stage the year after.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: horseplayer on July 22, 2013, 08:09:26 PM
brilliant thread

thanks


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2013, 08:23:55 PM
Thanks guys. Everyone needs a sporting passion....

Next weekend, The Tour de Pologne and the Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian.

Wiggins & Nibali in Poland. Not quite the Tour but building up to the final GT of the year, the Vuelta.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2013, 08:27:23 PM
Don't think this made the TV coverage?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxU_i-EL0OE

full video of how this was planned here http://vimeo.com/70721410


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2013, 08:30:37 PM
Yeah Tonji thanks for the updates and all the great stuff posted in the thread.  Massive post tour downer today! Its fast become my favourite sporting event of the year. Didnt miss a single minute of coverage this year! Deffo gonna go and watch it next year and try and do an Alps stage the year after.

Have you seen the now traditional ITV montage?

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/the-final-itv-montage-for-a-historic-100-edition-of-the-tour-de-france/

I'll be certainly in Yorkshire for next years opening stages. Crowds will be massive.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on July 22, 2013, 08:54:26 PM
Yeah Tonji thanks for the updates and all the great stuff posted in the thread.  Massive post tour downer today! Its fast become my favourite sporting event of the year. Didnt miss a single minute of coverage this year! Deffo gonna go and watch it next year and try and do an Alps stage the year after.

Have you seen the now traditional ITV montage?

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/the-final-itv-montage-for-a-historic-100-edition-of-the-tour-de-france/

I'll be certainly in Yorkshire for next years opening stages. Crowds will be massive.

It will be in Leeds, I gather. Which just happens to be where Sky have a major Corporate office.  Just a coincidence, obv......


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
Yeah Tonji thanks for the updates and all the great stuff posted in the thread.  Massive post tour downer today! Its fast become my favourite sporting event of the year. Didnt miss a single minute of coverage this year! Deffo gonna go and watch it next year and try and do an Alps stage the year after.

Have you seen the now traditional ITV montage?

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/the-final-itv-montage-for-a-historic-100-edition-of-the-tour-de-france/

I'll be certainly in Yorkshire for next years opening stages. Crowds will be massive.

It will be in Leeds, I gather. Which just happens to be where Sky have a major Corporate office.  Just a coincidence, obv......

I'm sure you know your boss, James Murdoch is a big cycling fan. He was in the team car on Alpe D'Huez, the day Froome ran out of food & energy. He's the prime sponsor of Team Sky so suppose he's allowed extra snacks!  ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 22, 2013, 11:01:20 PM
Cheers Tonji for the awesome coverage, as per usual. Not been able to contribute as still not go tbroadband since moving.

Where do see the challenge from Quintana in the next couple of years? He seemed to come of age as the tour went on. If he continues to improve he could be the next GC dominant force imo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2013, 10:30:42 AM
As always the Boston Globe gathers the finest photos of the Tour

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2013/07/tour_de_france_100th_edition_p.html

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2013/07/tour_de_france_100th_edition_p_1.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2013, 10:32:32 AM
Cheers Tonji for the awesome coverage, as per usual. Not been able to contribute as still not go tbroadband since moving.

Where do see the challenge from Quintana in the next couple of years? He seemed to come of age as the tour went on. If he continues to improve he could be the next GC dominant force imo

Cheers vegas.

Good question. Thoughts later.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on July 23, 2013, 12:25:04 PM

The Bike is back. THE bike. Sponsors perk.

It arrived this morning at Sky HQ. Not a bad motor, either.

It is not on display yet, but I gather the F1 car will be removed (they have TWO F1 cars in Reception) & replaced by Froome's conveyance.


(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o541/tikay2/NEW%20ALBUM/Har1_zpse9ba6cf3.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/tikay2/media/NEW%20ALBUM/Har1_zpse9ba6cf3.jpg.html)


(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o541/tikay2/NEW%20ALBUM/Har2_zps8f452d00.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/tikay2/media/NEW%20ALBUM/Har2_zps8f452d00.jpg.html)


(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o541/tikay2/NEW%20ALBUM/Har3_zpscb5dc0fa.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/tikay2/media/NEW%20ALBUM/Har3_zpscb5dc0fa.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BigAdz on July 23, 2013, 12:33:31 PM
Is it The Emperors New Bike?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on July 23, 2013, 12:34:09 PM
Is it The Emperors New Bike?

Very good.

Invisible to all but the faithful.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2013, 01:32:38 PM
Tikay, have you asked if Froome or any of the Sky pedlars play poker?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on July 23, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
Tikay, have you asked if Froome or any of the Sky pedlars play poker?

No, but I gather the Leeds office have something along those lines lined up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2013, 02:26:27 PM
Tikay, have you asked if Froome or any of the Sky pedlars play poker?

No, but I gather the Leeds office have something along those lines lined up.

Excellent  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2013, 06:48:56 PM
After three weeks of the toughest bike race, Froome doesn't have a holiday. From tonight he'll ride a series of criteriums across Holland and Belgium. bugger that!

(http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/ay_114762114.jpg?w=650&h=432&crop=1)

He wins...but everyone knew he would, its expected. They are exhibition races, the top performers in the Tour traditionally spend a few weeks earning extra $. Froome reportedly picked up 50000 euros last night.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Doobs on July 25, 2013, 12:31:26 AM
Guess we've known this for a long time...

Tour de France - Tests show Pantani and Ullrich used EPO during 1998 Tour
1998 winner Tour de France winner Marco Pantani and runner-up Jan Ullrich both used EPO during the race, a report released by the French Senate has revealed.


The report released the results of samples collected during the race that were then retested in 2004.

A test to detect the presence of EPO was introduced in 2000. Four years later, France's anti-doping agency decided to retest urine samples from the 1998 and 1999 Tours using the new technology.

Eighteen riders were found to have tested positive for EPO while a further 12 were said to have suspicious samples.

Contrary to earlier reports, American Bobby Julich, who finished third in the race, was not on the positive list but was listed as suspicious.

Green jersey winner Erik Zabel was another who tested positive while French cycling legend Laurent Jalabert, who twice won both the points classification and the mountain classification on the Tour, was also on the positives list.

Jalabert withdrew with his team from the 1998 Tour after protesting that all riders were being labelled as cheats following the Festina doping scandal when large quantities of doping products were found by police.

As expected, Britain's Chris Boardman, who wore the yellow jersey at the start of the race and is a strong anti-doping spokesperson, is not on either list.


...

The riders named were:

Positive:

Andrea Tafi, Erik Zabel, Bo Hamburger, Laurent Jalabert, Marcos Serrano, Jens Heppner, Jeroen Blijlevens, Nicola Minali, Mario Cipollini, Fabio Sacchi, Eddy Mazzoleni, Jacky Durand, Abraham Olano, Laurent Desbiens, Marco Pantani, Manuel Beltran, Jan Ullrich (twice), Kevin Livingston

Suspicious:

Ermanno Brignoli, Alain Turicchia, Pascal Chanteur, Frederic Moncassin, Bobby Julich, Roland Meier, Giuseppe Calcaterra, Stefano Zanini, Eddy Mazzoleni, Stephane Barthe, Stuart O'Grady, Axel Merckx


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/tour-de-france-top-three-1998-tour-doped-085706465.html?vp=1 (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/tour-de-france-top-three-1998-tour-doped-085706465.html?vp=1)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 25, 2013, 10:19:57 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-mV2XSk-n8

Decent review of the Tour.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 25, 2013, 10:58:31 PM
Cheers Tonji for the awesome coverage, as per usual. Not been able to contribute as still not go tbroadband since moving.

Where do see the challenge from Quintana in the next couple of years? He seemed to come of age as the tour went on. If he continues to improve he could be the next GC dominant force imo

Cheers vegas.

Good question. Thoughts later.

Pre tour I had my doubts on Quintana, not ability, but to finish a GT strongly. Proved very wrong there then  :)

Once Valverde lost 10 mins in the crosswinds, his team asked him to step up & go for GC. Even they were surprised by his composure & confidence. I've since read about his confidence & steely determination in articles by Matt Rendall, an expert on Columbian cycling. Even at 23 he has to be considered a favourite for next year.

Froome has got at least another two or three years as top dog on this years performance. But aside from Quintana.

I think with the cleaner peloton, young riders can achieve top finishes in the GTs. Before the average age of a GT winner was in late 20s early 30s.

I thought Kwiatkowski was outstanding, faded in the last week, but considering he was even expected to help Cav in the leadouts, 11th was a top result.

I've always admired Talansky, top ten was excellent in his first tour, & got stronger in the final week. Another couple of years he'll be a top 3 contender.

Next year Richie Porte should lead Sky in the Giro or Vuelta, he certainly got the all round talent, but I've some doubts on his ambition. We'll see.

Despite a poor showing from Van Garderen, I still think he can do a top 3. Although he may need to move from BMC, a team in shambles at the moment.

Nibabli will be in the TdF next year afaik, depending on the parcour, a real threat.

Rigoberto Uran gets his chance in the Vuelta. All ways strong & solid in GTs. I think he is moving to OPQS next year to lead in the Tour, Cav not so sure about this!

Others with a promising future that have caught the eye are Majka & Kiserlovski (both will be at the Vuelta), Costa, Spilak & Betancur.

Sky's next GT leader in waiting is Peter Kennaugh, certainly has the talent & is in the best team to learn the trade.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 25, 2013, 11:11:40 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/clasica-san-sebastian/winner

(http://www.cyclingfans.net/images/2011_clasica_san_sebastian_profile.jpg)

Can't confirm that the profile is correct as the organisers are slow to update the website.

Also many of the teams will only be confirmed last minute with TdF fall out & build up to the Vuelta.

I've had a small bet on Samuel Sanchez, he showed signs of looking sharp in winning a stage at the Critérium du Dauphiné.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 25, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/clasica-san-sebastian/winner

(http://www.cyclingfans.net/images/2011_clasica_san_sebastian_profile.jpg)

Can't confirm that the profile is correct as the organisers are slow to update the website.

Also many of the teams will only be confirmed last minute with TdF fall out & build up to the Vuelta.

I've had a small bet on Samuel Sanchez, he showed signs of looking sharp in winning a stage at the Critérium du Dauphiné.

Better value probably is (& just added) is Greg Van Avermaet, two stage winner & overall winner at this weeks Tour de Wallonie. He should be extra sharp, fresh & focused, not having ridden the Tour & not expected to ride the Vuelta.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2013, 01:26:44 PM
(http://www.przegladsportowy.pl/m/Repozytorium.Podglad.aspx/620/0/przegladsportowy/635101160739263522.jpg)

http://tourdepologne.pl/en/

A warm up stage race for the Vuelta.

Teams are smaller for this race with six riders in each.

Big names involved include Wiggins & Nibali, but don't expect either to feature too much. It's generally all about the secondary leaders. So Henao for Sky, 3rd last year & Kangert for Astana.

I'll be backing Spilak for Katusha.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2013, 01:32:50 PM
Peter Sagan confirmed to ride in the RideLondon-Surrey Classic, Aug 4th. BBC will be doing live coverage.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/539662/ridelondon-surrey-classic-to-be-shown-live-on-bbc-tv.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 29, 2013, 09:58:07 AM
12hour tour 2007 dvd arrived yesterdday :)

Cav looks about 12!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 02, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
Been out of the cycling loop this week, it's all been punting short priced, but well built women swimmers at the World Champs  :)

Off on hols tomorrow. Will be missing the Eneco Tour, but back in time for Vuelta a España, starting on 24th August.

Anyone spot any markets or news for the Vuelta please post away.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 18, 2013, 10:14:44 PM
back back back...

Just noticed PP have a market up for the USA Pro Challenge. Just a heads up that value to be had, in that Froome & Porte are rebuilding for the Worlds & are unlikely to be challenging, more likely Dombrowski will be given a lead roll. TJ rightly favourite, but value in some big priced Columbians imo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 19, 2013, 10:19:10 AM
Vuelta a España starts on Saturday.

http://www.lavuelta.com/indexen.html

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwCbDI532zs

As usual teams are slow in confirming their line-ups, but the next few days should have them all firmed up.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 19, 2013, 11:44:11 PM
back back back...

Just noticed PP have a market up for the USA Pro Challenge. Just a heads up that value to be had, in that Froome & Porte are rebuilding for the Worlds & are unlikely to be challenging, more likely Dombrowski will be given a lead roll. TJ rightly favourite, but value in some big priced Columbians imo

Froome & Porte dropped in the 1st stage  ;)

Interesting finish, not that Sagan won, he's been training at altitude, but who was in the front finishing bunch. TJ, Danielson, Schleck & Kloden, all in close attention. But also one I think has a real shot at this, Acevedo. He is in top form with 3rd place in the Tours of Utah & California. He was 50/1 yesterday.

Dombrowski certainly leading Sky, only 5 sec down, was good value at 33/1 yesterday.

Tomorrow's stage will be a true sort out of the GC, with the highest pass in pro cycling at over 3500m.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on August 20, 2013, 03:00:06 AM
Think I've missed the boat on this one, Tonji. I can't seem to find odds for the USA Pro Challenge anywhere. Just as well really, as the way I ran in the Eneco Tour, I ought to stay away from cycling for awhile. I almost tipped something on TfT, but the odds shortened as I was typing my recommend, so I didn't bother. Every cloud has a silver lining though, as two days later, everything had been turned on it's head.

I've been looking out for attractive odds in the Vuelta, and have been struggling terribly. Is there anything to the theory that participants from the Tour de France tend to fade away in the last week of the Vuelta? If so, there might be a playable edge. Saying that, I think Nibali has it sewn up, and everyone else is riding for the places. Guys like Betancur, Scarponi, Uran and Ulissi are taking my fancy, but I can see a lot of negatives with all of them. It's a real head-scratcher at the moment. I hope something jumps out at me.

Good luck with your tips for the US event. If I can find a book somewhere, I'll be sure to get on. Welcome back.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 20, 2013, 09:24:36 AM
Hi cws,

I'm on with Skybet, although I can't see any prices back up today, but I'd assume they would have tumbled.

Just started looking at the Vuelta. I took Nibali a few weeks ago at 3/1 & happy with that. Especially after what seemed a decent 3rd at Vuelta a Burgos, where your man Quintana won.

I think the general consensus is that going from the Tour to the Vuelta is not ideal, but I'd need to check if the stats back that up.

I not sure what to make of Betancur not racing for 3 months? If he has the Giro form a top 3 is a decent shout imo.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 20, 2013, 10:22:25 AM
Note to self & others to remember. Andy Schleck, if improvement in form continues, he'll be taking a serious tilt at Il Lombardia in October. From a big hint given to the US media!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 20, 2013, 11:45:15 AM
Sadly it seems the demise of the orange jersey in the peloton is now inevitable with the news that the Basque team Euskaltel Euskadi will be no longer at the end of the season  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 20, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
Sky have prices back up for the US Pro C.

European riders generally struggle in this event. The time difference & racing at altitude lead me to look for the Americans or Colombians.

Dombrowski shortened to 16/1 (probably about right now, as Sky team looked weak in the first stage) & Acevedo to 18/1 (still a touch of value in the place part, top 3 possible if his form is anything like his showing at Utah).

TJ too short at 6/5 imo. He has not raced since the Tour, it's difficult to be 100% first race back & could fade.

Garmin have the strongest team here & proven history in this race. Danielson (lives locally & his season revolves around this race) at 8/1 has value, especially coming off the win at Utah.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 20, 2013, 04:09:52 PM
Think I've missed the boat on this one, Tonji. I can't seem to find odds for the USA Pro Challenge anywhere. Just as well really, as the way I ran in the Eneco Tour, I ought to stay away from cycling for awhile. I almost tipped something on TfT, but the odds shortened as I was typing my recommend, so I didn't bother. Every cloud has a silver lining though, as two days later, everything had been turned on it's head.

I've been looking out for attractive odds in the Vuelta, and have been struggling terribly. Is there anything to the theory that participants from the Tour de France tend to fade away in the last week of the Vuelta? If so, there might be a playable edge. Saying that, I think Nibali has it sewn up, and everyone else is riding for the places. Guys like Betancur, Scarponi, Uran and Ulissi are taking my fancy, but I can see a lot of negatives with all of them. It's a real head-scratcher at the moment. I hope something jumps out at me.

Good luck with your tips for the US event. If I can find a book somewhere, I'll be sure to get on. Welcome back.


http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/08/news/why-is-quintana-skipping-the-vuelta-it-wasnt-on-his-schedule_299670

Why Quinatana is not at the Tour, but also answers some of your thoughts on riding the Tour & Vuelta in the same year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 21, 2013, 03:02:08 PM
Some bets made for the Vuelta...

King of the Mountains. The KOM is generally won in the Vuelta by a rider from a lesser team not competing for the General Classification.

Rules are a bit complicated, but info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_classification_in_the_Vuelta_a_Espa%C3%B1a#Rules

This year the race will have 13 mountain stages, arguably tougher than the Tour & Giro. So I've looked for a rider in form, with a history of competing for the KOM, in a lesser team, Spanish, & not having ridden in the recent Tour.

Amets Txurruka, the Caja Rural rider is having the best season of his life having won the mountains jersey at recent Vuelta a Burgos. This year has also seen him prominent in the mountains points completion at Norway & another win at Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco. The Pro Continental team will have this as a prime objective for the race. He has ridden the Vuelta five times all solid performances.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/king-of-the-mountains

Recommend £10.00. I've taken 13/2 on 365, but just noticed 7/1 available on Betty.

(http://www.spiuk.com/imagenes/noticias/Caja-Rural_Txurruka_win.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on August 21, 2013, 03:08:52 PM
Cheers Tonji
Just had a small bet on him


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 21, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
Cheers Tonji
Just had a small bet on him

good luck us  :)

I'm on Nibali for the overall, but with a single lingering doubt. I'd be pretty sure his real motivation is for the Worlds in Florence a few weeks after the end of the Vuelta...we'll see.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 21, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/vuelta-a-espana

Pretty sure, there some decent opportunities in the various markets here.

Not enough time in the day...



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 21, 2013, 10:17:09 PM
A few thoughts on the GC battle in Vuelta.

Nibali's win at the Giro was impressive, despite the tough conditions he was never really challenged. I'd expect Spain in mid summer to be a greater challenge. Astana obviously expect a win, sending a really strong team in support including Jakob Fuglsang, a excellent 7th in the Tour, & the talented Janez Brajkovic, well capable of a top ten. I've heard rumours that Nibabli is not at his optimum racing weight, this may be that his real aim for the back end of the season is the World championships in Florence at the end of September. Generally around 2/1 at the moment.

The Spanish challenge comes from Rodriguez & Valverde. Both finished strongly in the final week of the Tour. It's debatable if it is possible to ride a top ten finish in the Tour & follow it up with a similar or better performance in the Vuelta. Stats seem to suggest a small drop off in performance generally but not conclusively for the top experienced riders.

Valverde has a remarkable record in the six Vuelta's he has ridden, never out of the top ten, with a win & two second places. Movistar were one of the strong teams in France & look to be similar in Spain. Last year he came out of the Tour to finish 2nd in the Vuelta. He knows how to get the job done. Around 4/1 currently.

In 2010 Rodriguez finished the Tour a solid 7th, & followed it up with a 4th in the Vuelta. He certainly would love to win his home Tour having finished on the podium in all the Grand Tours, but never on the top step. At 34 his time is running out, but the parcours this year is suited to his climbing abilities. Particularly the mountainous ITT, an area he could have lost time if flat. He'll be motivated for sure. In the region of 3/1 at present.

Those three look set as a solid top 3, but Grand Tours rarely work like that. There is probably another six riders capable of riding to a podium position, circumstances & form over the three weeks ebb & flow.

More tomorrow....time permitting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 22, 2013, 11:37:57 PM
Some potentials for podium.

With the unfortunate demise of Euskaltel - Euskadi at the end of the season, the ever present Samuel Sanchez will be looking for a top GC finish & certainly stage wins. The Basque team have selected their top climbers for their final Grand Tour in Igor Anton & Mikel Nieve. I can see Sanchez making top 5, although it'd not be a surprise to see him higher. Either Nieve or Anton top 10. I've taken Nieve in the top 10 market at 7/2.

AG2R adopt the same policy as the Giro with two lead riders in Betancur & Pozzovivo, both have never ridden in the Vuelta. Betancur has not raced in 3 months & has reportedly been sick, he's likely to be using the Vuelta as a build up to Worlds. Pozzovivo went well in Poland, on top form he's a top class climber, but struggles to put it all together in a three week race. For me a stage win & top 10 would be his level.

Sky have Henao as the designated leader. Normally the lieutenant to either Froome or Wiggins it's his first opportunity in a GT. He'll have strong support from his friend Rigoberto Uran. I suspect if he is to make the podium he will need a strong final week, with the likes of Rodriguez & Valverde feeling the after effects of the Tour & weakening.

Saxo-Tinkoff have one of the strongest teams. It's unclear who will lead, but the options are Kreuziger, Roche, Majka or Sorensen. Personally I think Rafal Majka after his recent 4th in Poland has the greatest potential.

 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 22, 2013, 11:47:22 PM
In the US Pro, Acevedo won the Queen stage  :) & is now third 30 seconds down on TJ, needs a top ITT tomorrow to hold. I'm told PP opened his price pre race at 250/1  :o


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 22, 2013, 11:57:27 PM
(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/08/VueltaRouteGraphic.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 23, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY7LhKQSvYI

Stage 1. TTT.

365 have priced this stage up. OPQS evens favourite. Fair enough, any team with Tony Martin in will be hard to beat. Not really any prices out of line, perhaps Sky at 14/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on August 23, 2013, 01:01:10 PM
Very much looking forward to this.


Watched the DVD of the 2007 tour a few weeks back, fascinating stuff!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 23, 2013, 01:14:41 PM
Very much looking forward to this.


Watched the DVD of the 2007 tour a few weeks back, fascinating stuff!

The year of the London Prologue depart. Is the DVD a package of each stage highlights from ITV?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 23, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5jhrINVmzY

GCN riders to watch.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on August 23, 2013, 01:36:43 PM
Very much looking forward to this.


Watched the DVD of the 2007 tour a few weeks back, fascinating stuff!

The year of the London Prologue depart. Is the DVD a package of each stage highlights from ITV?

I think its ITV coverage.  Sprint stages only get 10 or so minutes but an hour plus for the mountains. 13 hours total coverage. Was bloody expensive @ £70 but couldnt see it anywhere cheaper on UK DVD.  Gonna buy the 2009 tour after the Vuelta!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 23, 2013, 01:44:36 PM
eeekkk £70  :o your hardcore Vic!

I watch highlights occasionally on youtube to jog my memory.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 12:14:40 PM
My Vuelta Top Ten

Nibali
Rodriguez (actually would love him to win)
Henao
Valverde
Majka
Nieve (or Sanchez)
Basso
Pozzovivo
Moreno
Dan Martin

Just missing the cut, David Arroyo.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 02:58:57 PM
In the US Pro, Acevedo won the Queen stage  :) & is now third 30 seconds down on TJ, needs a top ITT tomorrow to hold. I'm told PP opened his price pre race at 250/1  :o

Acevedo slipped out of the top 3 in the ITT, can't see him gaining 30+ seconds to regain 3rd in the final two stages  :(

Still a good EW bet

Hoping for some decent bets in the next three weeks


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 03:34:55 PM
Theo Bos does not start the Vuelta. He was likely to have been a favourite for the sprint stages, this'll make the bookies job harder in pricing up flat stages!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
Ahead of the opening TTT

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrt6wvtpLLk

My top three: OPQS, Astana, RadioShack.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on August 24, 2013, 05:36:11 PM
I think you should do a straight forecast on those picks Tonji. I've had a punt on Orica-Greenedge and BMC, in case Tony Martin falls off his bike (like I did yesterday).


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 06:30:10 PM
I think you should do a straight forecast on those picks Tonji. I've had a punt on Orica-Greenedge and BMC, in case Tony Martin falls off his bike (like I did yesterday).

Yep did OPQS/RadioShack @ 8/1 on sky. Martin & Cancellara should bring their teams home well or just plain break them!  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
OPQS go fastest, but looks more open than originally thought with NetApp sitting in second at the moment.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 07:51:03 PM
Astana, RadioShack, OPQS  ::)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 11:00:29 PM
On to Stage 2, & going up hill.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXxJQbN7pXo

Already with time gaps, Movistar & Katusha are likely to control the peleton to the final climb. The bookies have the usual suspects in Valverde & Rodriguez as favourites, but its too early in race to assess form, I think. A day for in running opportunities for me.

Betancur was dropped in the TTT, looks overweight & has said in the media that he is rebuilding his race form over the next three weeks for the Worlds.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/carlos-betancur-v-roman-kreuziger/stage-match-bets

Hills are wrong at making them even in the match bet. 17/20 Kreuziger is more than decent imo. 365 are about right.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2013, 11:03:38 PM
That was quick, Betancur v Kreuziger now taken down  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on August 24, 2013, 11:20:36 PM
Don't have a Hills account, so can't get on the very obvious palp of Moreno at 8/1 vs Uran :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 25, 2013, 10:55:09 AM
Plenty of cycling today.

The US Pro Challenge finishes, but TJ has that in the bag.

Vattenfall Cyclassics in Hamburg. A sprint battle, Griepel & Demare are strong shouts here.

Vuelta, stage 2. No value in the favourites, a wait & see day to how the race builds to the final climb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 25, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
1.Nicolas Roche,Saxo-Tinkoff. 2.Daniel Moreno,Katusha Team. 3.Domenico Pozzovivo, AG2R.

I think Roche was available at around 200/1 pre stage!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 12:17:08 AM
(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/3_perfil.png)

(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/3uk.png)

Stage 3. It's all about the final kick up at the end. A classic one day type finish. Similar but shorter than today's stage finish. This will possibly bring in to contention the uphill sprinters like Meersman.

I'll be avoiding Gilbert, not won all year plus has a damaged knee from the Enco Tour.

I've counted a good 12 riders a case could be made for. But plumped for Stybar 11/1 FTW, should still have the great form from winning the Enco Tour, will need his team to drill it at the bottom of the climb to set him up, he has speed & power to finish fast on the line. Looks a stage OPQS will have pencilled in, with Meersman & Stybar in mind.

Same can also be said for OGE (in fact the next few stages look to be OGE territory). Options in Gerrans & Matthews. I like the Matthews option. A young rider, very fast, & confidence should be sky high after two wins in Utah. If the team can get him in the right position for the last climb, he should be one of the fastest guys at the finish. Obviously young & inexperienced but at 50/1 EW a decent bet imo before he gets fatigued.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 11:13:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSlAVFoCMAAo1b0.jpg)

The road with about 1km to go, so narrow that positioning is vital.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
Don't discount Roche repeating the win. With the 10 second time bonus on the stage he could move in to the red jersey.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 11:39:07 AM
The back stage pass is back...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfi5UP9dvA


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 11:51:03 AM
Movistar, backstage pass Spanish style!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Ka_gYvxK4


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 03:22:43 PM
hmmm, my picks for today could well be off the mark, general views from the media seem to suggest that the final climb is a real climbers finish, but some mixed views out there. Oh well...all a matter of backing your opinion.

Matthews price has shortened to around 20/1, Stybar has drifted out to 18/1.

Interesting stage...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Crashes & crosswinds split the peloton, marvelous


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 05:06:12 PM
Old man wins bike race!  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 10:54:31 PM
Old man wins bike race!  :D


(http://www.sudinfo.be/sites/default/files/imagecache/pagallery_450x300/2013/08/26/1263831234_B97934360Z.1_20130826183839_000_GLM15QFOL.1-0.jpg)

Chris Horner, today's winner & new leader. Fair play, at 41 he's entitled to look a bit weary & dishevelled.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2013, 11:29:21 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em8RnchMUsQ

(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/4_perfil.png)

OGE attempted today to set up Matthews, but he didn't have the legs, finishing 40 sec down, & behind the likes of Meersman & Gilbert. Tomorrow should be another attempt by the team if he's recovered ok.

Stybar didn't feature today. Meersman said pre stage today that stage 4 is more to his liking, 7/2 best price at the moment.

A stage for in play betting, who makes it in the final group over the Mirador de Ézaro. Look out for the young sprinters Markus & van Rensburg, a chance they could get back for the final.
 
Ratto, PP @ 100/1, a decent sprinter, who can get over the lumpy stuff, with some form in Burgos & Poland, I'd have him 20-30/1 region.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on August 27, 2013, 08:32:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSlAVFoCMAAo1b0.jpg)

The road with about 1km to go, so narrow that positioning is vital.

Really?

Good grief.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 27, 2013, 11:37:04 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lreg-R2Mmek

Matthews had a creditable 3rd today. Stage 5 will be another opportunity. Meersman & EBH will no doubt be involved but also perhaps a select few of the pure sprinters have a chance.

Top dog in theory is Farrar, but he doesn't have the sharpness of a few years ago imo, but he does have the experience.

The young sprinters Markus & van Rensburg could be a possibility. Although the run in looks lumpy & tricky, so their teams will have to get them into the correct position for the last 1km. Markus, yet to win this year, but with plenty of seconds & thirds, & due a win soon. He has been biding his time at the back of the peloton so may be the fresher. Stage 6 & 7 is certainly stage for them.

Nothing stands out to me, no clear edge I can see.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: maldini32 on August 28, 2013, 10:07:34 AM
Hi mate,

Bit of a cycling novice here. When does the mountain stage take place? How long does it last?

Tried googling it but no joy.

Gracias


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 28, 2013, 11:56:56 AM
Hi mate,

Bit of a cycling novice here. When does the mountain stage take place? How long does it last?

Tried googling it but no joy.

Gracias

Hi Maldini

Still plenty of mountain stages to come, were only on stage 5 of 21. The final week has the major big climbs.

Check here: http://www.lavuelta.com/indexen.html for all the info.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 28, 2013, 12:56:37 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoJ6VNKmyI

OGE are confident in Matthews form.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: maldini32 on August 29, 2013, 10:19:57 AM
Hi mate,

Bit of a cycling novice here. When does the mountain stage take place? How long does it last?

Tried googling it but no joy.

Gracias

Hi Maldini

Still plenty of mountain stages to come, were only on stage 5 of 21. The final week has the major big climbs.

Check here: http://www.lavuelta.com/indexen.html for all the info.



Thanks for the info  :)up


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 29, 2013, 10:30:33 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFfbElR80Eo

Matthews always looked the quickest & backed it up with a strong win yesterday. Baring accidents, today should be much of the same. OGE also have the option in using Howard.

Argos - Shimano still have the best organised sprint train, & with the urban finish comprising 90 degree bends & roundabouts, perhaps the value is opposing OGE & going with Arndt at 16/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 29, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Laura Meseguer ‏@Laura_Meseguer. Michael Matthews: "My goal in #LaVuelta is to win 2 stages. Today I'll be relaxed and could be a good chance for Howard" #EurosportCycling

Bluff?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 29, 2013, 09:28:54 PM
Tony Martin, so close. A 174km solo breakaway. Incredible ride  ;hattip;

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uENh7c2PbP4


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 29, 2013, 10:14:23 PM
(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/7_perfil.png)

Stage 7.

Sprint!

Argos are switching around the teams lead sprinter, today they went with Sinkeldam. Tomorrow?

Still Matthews favourite imo.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 30, 2013, 11:30:17 AM
Today is the World Ports Classic (Rotterdam-Antwerp).

The UCI have relaxed the rules & a couple of riders will have on board cameras for live broadcast. Hope this becomes standard for World Tour races.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 30, 2013, 11:49:26 AM
Watch out for a solo attack by Cancellara, he may be be keen to show that it's not only Tony Martin who can hold off the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on August 30, 2013, 02:50:57 PM
Wow, just seen replay of yesterdays stage. Such a shame for Martin but what a ride!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on August 30, 2013, 11:02:24 PM
(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/8_perfil.png)

I'm away the weekend, but but...

A mega banzai for tomorrow. Luis Angel Maté 250/1.

Not my work, a tip from a jorno out in Spain. One of the few riders in the peloton to know the final climb well, he regularly trains on Peñas Blancas. He'd need to be in the break, but the stage looks like one where a break could succeed.

It's been often the case in the race, that the finals of the stages have been snatched by riders outside of the favourites & GC contenders. If that's the case tomorrow, plenty of decent riders with decent odds.

Take your pick from Koning, Mollema, Arroyo, Cataldo, & my friend Txurruka, who I'm hoping will start his KOM campaign.

Enjoy your weekend.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 04, 2013, 09:05:50 AM
A weekend away turns into four days...

Unlikely to have much time the rest of the week, business catch up.

But today sees the ITT.

Martin v Cancellara v The Rest.

Apparently old man Horner rode away on the final climb the other day, hmmmm...not sure what to make of this? Rumours aplenty.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 04, 2013, 11:37:22 AM
Excellent news:

Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso has reached an agreement to take over the Euskaltel Euskadi team. Rumours his friend Contador may join.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 04, 2013, 10:42:24 PM
Cancellara, Martin, Pozzovivo.

Favourites keep getting beat in this Vuelta, & Pozzovivio, what the heck!

Sprint stage tomorrow. Most have been scrappy affairs with no stand out sprint teams & some young sprinters still learning. Matthews stands out as the fastest, but he does not necessarily convert that speed into wins.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 05, 2013, 10:47:26 PM
Cancellara, Martin, Pozzovivo.

Favourites keep getting beat in this Vuelta, & Pozzovivio, what the heck!

Sprint stage tomorrow. Most have been scrappy affairs with no stand out sprint teams & some young sprinters still learning. Matthews stands out as the fastest, but he does not necessarily convert that speed into wins.

A steeper last km than the road book suggested caught out the big sprinters. EBH & winner Gilbert were the strongest & quickest to react. Gilbert now looks close to 100%.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 05, 2013, 10:49:52 PM
http://vimeo.com/72820136

Stage 9 of the Tour & Garmin's Dan Martin win. An interesting short film on how tactically it was planned.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 05, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/13_perfil.png)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqdm6jcHS7U

A stage where breakaway riders stand a better than average chance of succeeding. With the big mountains ahead the GC guys will prefer a stress free day.

The finish is ideal for Gilbert, & after todays win his BMC team will be up to controlling the race to get him in position. Still too short imo @ 3/1.

The Alto del Rat Penat climb will sort out the riders for the final, probably a day to monitor in running betting.

I've taken a small interest in Gerrans @ 50/1 with BetVic. He had a crash earlier in the race, but if he's recovered well he should be 2nd or 3rd favourite. He normally targets one stage, this is probably it. If not OGE will be backing Matthews.

A couple of the big name riders that have dropped out of the GC, & are looking for stage wins, may get involved in the break. Kreuziger & Mollema are ones to watch.

Really not sure of his form, but Iglinsky for Astana may be given the green light for a stage win, the profile suits his style if he's in shape.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 11:55:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTeIj81CYAISm07.jpg)

that's Iglinsky after crashing into a wall yesterday, perhaps not for today  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 12:28:34 PM
Team Sky signs Ireland's Philip Deignan for 2014. He's riding Tour of Britain for current team UnitedHealthcare, one to watch for the KOM jersey.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 06, 2013, 02:29:09 PM
Hope he gets a better choice of rides then Tiernan-Locke who's gone from being a race contender to a domestique.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
Hope he gets a better choice of rides then Tiernan-Locke who's gone from being a race contender to a domestique.

JTL has had a nightmare in his first year with Sky. I read the training regime has not worked for him personally, & has resulted in poor recovery & ill health. He's hoping for a late season return to form & a good showing in the Tour of Beijing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 02:50:38 PM
Big battle for a break to get away. Took until 75km, but now 19 riders away. Includes Mollema, Santaromita, Meersman, Nocentini, Intxausti, Scarponi, Vanendert, Txurruka among them. Strong group with 2 minutes. Looks like Katusha missed out. 50/50 in break succeeding, It'll depend on how fast the peloton attacks the Alto del Rat Penat, & possible counter attacks from there.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 03:37:52 PM
Good news on the KOM bet, Txurruka opened his account on the cat 1 climb with a 2nd behind Scarponi.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 03:47:57 PM
If break can hold off the main group, Nocentini should be favourite, strong & quick on uphill finishes.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 06, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Good news on the KOM bet, Txurruka opened his account on the cat 1 climb with a 2nd behind Scarponi.

What we like to hear


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 04:43:07 PM
1. Barguil, 2. Nocentini, 3. Mollema.

The young 21 year old Argos Shimano rider caught the more experienced pros napping. Top prospect, he won the Tour de l'Avenir last year, an indicator of future GT tour winners.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 11:34:35 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hjwVtRE3Q

(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/14_perfil.png)

Andorra & the first of three proper high mountain stages in the Pyrenees.

The stage includes the Envalira mountain pass. With an altitude of 2409 metres this is the Alberto Fernandez (highest point) climb of this year’s edition of the Vuelta, 20 points up for grabs the early break should consist of riders looking for big points. Go Txurruka.

The final should be a battle of the GC guys, although not necessarily if a non threatening break gets away. 

Forecast is not great.

(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgtiempo/etp14.gif)

The books have Rodriguez marginal favourite 4/1 to Nibali 8/1.

We saw Nibali dominant in appalling conditions at the Giro, if he's got the legs & sees any weakness he'll attack to extend his time gap.

It'll be interesting to see how Purito will approach this stage. He lives locally & knows the climbs extremely well. He's 2.33 down, & needs to attack earlier than he would necessarily like.

I find it hard to believe that Horner can keep the same climbing power shown earlier in the race. His lack of racing & age surely will tell in the big mountains.

Valverde is a wise pro, I suspect his moves for the red jersey will be played out later next week, but he's quite capable of following wheels & nicking the time bonuses as & when they arise.

Two riders have impressed & exceeded my expectations are Basso & Pozzovivo. Both look to be in their best form.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 06, 2013, 11:44:54 PM
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I've taken a small interest in Gerrans @ 50/1 with BetVic. He had a crash earlier in the race, but if he's recovered well he should be 2nd or 3rd favourite. He normally targets one stage, this is probably it. If not OGE will be backing Matthews.

Gerrans came in with the grupetto. It turns out he had fractured his hip in the stage 3 crash. He's now abandoned!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on September 07, 2013, 02:03:09 AM
Hey Tonji. I've been a bit quiet lately. Truth is that I haven't been confident enough to recommend anything this Vuelta. Too many surprise results keep me second guessing myself. That being said, some of my bets are still alive ... some are long since dead in the water. One thing I have been doing the last couple of days is snapping up Txurruka for KOM at attractive prices. IIRC when you recommended him, he was 6/1 or 7/1. He can now be had at 8/1 (PP and Coral) ... and sometimes even more at Betfair. Unlike the TdF, the Vuelta doesn't assign double points for mountain-top stage finishes. Looking at the stages to come, there seem to be plenty of mid-stage points available for breakaway riders with KOM ambitions. Txurruka showed his hand today, but was unfortunately upstaged by Scarponi. With Scarponi now knocking on the door of the top 10, this won't be allowed to happen again. Top up with Txurruka methinks ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
Hi cws, I was relieved to see Txurruka get involved yesterday, even more so that Caja Rural managed to get a team mate with him on the cat 1 climb to help him out. Looks to me like there are four serious attempts at the KOM jersey. Txurruka, Marczynski, Ullisi & Edet. I'd certainly have Txurruka the fav, but with a small concern that yesterday may have taken its toll in trying to actually win the stage. Lets hope he has good powers of recovery. Personally I've not topped up, but only in that I'm fully committed already & well exposed with Nibali for the overall.

Don't be afraid to throw out any thoughts. I tend to put up my thoughts on the race, read between the lines & you'll get an idea of where my bets go. Any recommends are more clear. I'd not been involved so much this Vuelta, was a tad ahead thanks to the Koning stage win, then I plunged heavily on Martin at evens in the ITT & then boom Cancellara throws in his best TT performance in years, urgggghhhhhh, that stung, but....

Its the nature of cycling in that the races are so unpredictable.

Today looks a tricky betting day, bad weather, some strong climbers outside the top ten, & with two tougher days ahead.

Just for info, I've gone small speculative bets, FTW on Pozzovivo @ 16/1 & Majka EW @ 66/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 11:46:20 AM
I'll be keeping a watch on Luis León Sánchez in breaks.  “Now we are arriving to some promising stages when the breakaways will be successful. It’s going to be some nervous racing. My legs are feeling good. I think my chances are pretty good.”

Belkin are three riders down, it's all about stage wins now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 12:42:20 PM
I'll be keeping a watch on Luis León Sánchez in breaks.  “Now we are arriving to some promising stages when the breakaways will be successful. It’s going to be some nervous racing. My legs are feeling good. I think my chances are pretty good.”

Belkin are three riders down, it's all about stage wins now.

True to his word, Sanchez has made it into an early 5 man break....


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfURIpqpHpE

GCN guys do a great job with these behind the scenes videos.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
LL Sanchez abandons! Euskatel attack en masse! Descents treacherous! No TV pictures! No idea how this is going to pan out...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
TV back, weather looks horrible.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
Basso abandons.....this really is a bizarre race


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 03:32:40 PM
Basso abandons.....this really is a bizarre race

abandons with hypothermia!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on September 07, 2013, 03:39:33 PM
First day watching the Vuelta this year and it is absolute carnage.

Weather is grim, sure this is being held in Spain?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 03:45:03 PM
First day watching the Vuelta this year and it is absolute carnage.

Weather is grim, sure this is being held in Spain?

It's been perfect weather until today. Forecast not great for the weekend, in danger of severe number of abandons & riders missing the time cut off.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 04:07:50 PM
Nibali looked like he was on a training ride, really comfortable.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 06:48:59 PM
Sky, Lampre, Euskaltel and Astana only teams left with all nine starters still in race. Brutal day but gets tougher still...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 07, 2013, 09:56:25 PM
Crazy day today

Wonder if the season is taking it's toll on the teams?

Giro was a tough tour due to the ridic weather
TdF was the toughest for years in the mountains

Perhaps it's finally taken it's toll


Before the mountain stages started our boy was 20.0 on betfair, I haven't been watching the race so thought he must be struggling. Quite glad to get positives updates from Tonji


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
Thinking about it, a three week bike race is just plain madness. But it harks back to the early days of the Tour de France. The organisers hope was that only one rider would survive! Today riders were just surviving.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 07, 2013, 11:59:31 PM
(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgtiempo/etp15.gif)

Nibali & Horner coped the best today, & will be pretty much just watching each other. Rodriguez could only follow wheels. Valverde recovered on the last climb & was strong. He won last year on this final climb in the Tour.

Think a break can win again. Too many possibilities, its probably a case of which riders wake up & feel strong enough to get into the early attacks.

I'll monitor twitter in the morning for any hints.

Txurruka picked up another 4 points (10 in total now), & finished 24th on the stage, so seems to be strong still. He's lying 11th in KOM, I think that's still well placed with so many mountain stages still to come. His main rivals Edet & Ulssi are both on 13.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 08, 2013, 12:59:29 AM
Pure speculative banzai. Looking for a tough young rider who seemed strong today & in a team that is looking for wins & has no GC contenders.

Alex Howes, was the top Garmin rider today in 36th place. Always actively looking to get into breaks & was well involved in a difficult mountain stage in the Tour of Poland finishing 8th. 250/1  :) Todays winner started at a similar price.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 08, 2013, 10:34:50 AM
Txurruka makes the early breakaway. Good lad, he's really putting in the effort for the KOM.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 08, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
Txurruka makes the early breakaway. Good lad, he's really putting in the effort for the KOM.

Fast start, break gets caught because a few were close to top ten, but Txurruka goes again.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 08, 2013, 11:34:34 AM
Txurruka makes the early breakaway. Good lad, he's really putting in the effort for the KOM.

Fast start, break gets caught because a few were close to top ten, but Txurruka goes again.

Sigh, Txurruka gets caught & then can't make the next attack that now seems to be the break of the day. No sign of Howes  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 08, 2013, 11:08:53 PM
Edet leading the KOM, he bagged 20 points, our man missed out :( Gotta hope he can mount an attack tomorrow.

Will be away early in the week, got some auctions I need to view & attend.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on September 09, 2013, 04:39:23 PM
Great stage today!

Not been able to watch as much as i'd like of this tour but from what have read Nibali has been cruising so far. He looked in a bit of trouble today, Horner and all the other big riders  took a bit out of him


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 09:36:15 AM
Great stage today!

Not been able to watch as much as i'd like of this tour but from what have read Nibali has been cruising so far. He looked in a bit of trouble today, Horner and all the other big riders  took a bit out of him

Eeeekkkk...desperate for Nibali to hang on.

Looks like Txurruka bet is heading south  :( Edet seems to have it in the bag.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 10:53:54 AM
(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/18_puerto.png)

Todays final climb.

Looks like a Purito day! but so many favourites have been turned over on stages.

I've not got fully up to date but Pozzovivo & Pinot lost time yesterday. Pinot can go for a long attack to break into the top five, not much to loose, all to gain. He's capable.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 12:44:14 PM
Fair dues to Txurruka he's made it into the break again. Edet has missed it. May be too late...but still  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Tour of Britain starts sunday.

http://www.tourofbritain.co.uk

Wiggins, Cavendish, Quintana, Ciolek & Dan Martin among the big names.

A couple of riders from lesser teams also have a decent chance & perhaps an edge if the weather turns nasty & the big names are more focused on the World Championships later in the month.

Awaiting some prices from the bookies...could be interesting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 01:03:02 PM
Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec tonight. Sagan hot favourite. 5/1 looks generous.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 01:54:44 PM
Fair dues to Txurruka he's made it into the break again. Edet has missed it. May be too late...but still  :)

He takes the points on the first cat 3 climb of the day...break has over 9 mins on the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 02:48:04 PM
Fair dues to Txurruka he's made it into the break again. Edet has missed it. May be too late...but still  :)

He takes the points on the first cat 3 climb of the day...break has over 9 mins on the peloton.

& takes the points on the next...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
Fair dues to Txurruka he's made it into the break again. Edet has missed it. May be too late...but still  :)

He takes the points on the first cat 3 climb of the day...break has over 9 mins on the peloton.

& takes the points on the next...

& the next, now on to the cat 2 climb, peloton closing the gap, now about 5 mins.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
Fair dues to Txurruka he's made it into the break again. Edet has missed it. May be too late...but still  :)

He takes the points on the first cat 3 climb of the day...break has over 9 mins on the peloton.

& takes the points on the next...

& the next, now on to the cat 2 climb, peloton closing the gap, now about 5 mins.

misses out on the cat 2, as Kiryienka attacks on the climb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 04:38:17 PM
Nibali fading. BUGGER


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on September 12, 2013, 09:06:29 PM
Nibali out to 3/1 with horner massive odds on  :o

Is Nibali fooked or is it possible to come back after looking pretty dodgy for the last two climbs?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 10:14:16 PM
Nibali out to 3/1 with horner massive odds on  :o

Is Nibali fooked or is it possible to come back after looking pretty dodgy for the last two climbs?

He looked done in & a beaten man to me.

I can't believe Horner, he climbed the final climb something like 40 sec faster than Froome.

Saturday on the iconic & brutal Angliru where minutes can be gained. The top three could change, but on current form Horner will be the oldest GT winner :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 12, 2013, 11:58:47 PM
15 points separating Edet, Ratto and Txurruka in the KOM classification. 2 Cat 3 climbs tomorrow excluding the finish, plus plenty of points available on the way to the iconic Angliru finish on Saturday. Txurruka had a hard day today coming in 7th on the stage. But seems to be up for each mornings fight to get in the breaks. Sweat still on, but a tough ask.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 13, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
Giro has announced the Zoncolan will be the penultimate stage next year  :) *good enough to find a reason for a trip out there*

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ermv5ahdz_w


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 13, 2013, 12:13:48 PM
Tour of Britain race manual, with detailed routes etc

http://www.tourofbritain.co.uk/news/5996.php#.UjLxn8Z6ZVJ


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 11:32:28 AM
Looks like Wiggins is serious about the TOB

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/sep/13/bradley-wiggins-tour-of-britain


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Todays penultimate stage & the Angliru.

(http://www.lavuelta.com/13/imgrecorrido/20_puerto_2.png)

The organisers love to inflict hurt.

Nibali has one chance to regain the red jersey. Rain would help, pleeeeeeeeeasssse.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
(http://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Angliru.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 08:17:35 PM
Tour of Britain.

A short review, of sorts, of the contenders & ones to watch.

Reports suggest Sir Brad of Sky is taking this seriously. Old heads, Eisel, Hayman & Lopez, plus the massive engine of Stannard suggests Sky wants to try & control the race. Not any easy task with six man teams & bad weather predicted for the first few days. Add in the fact that the lesser teams will be at full gas not only for stage wins & high GC placings, but they love to put Sky under pressure in their home Tour. Wiggins prime aim for the final part of the season is the World ITT later in the month. Bookies make him the short priced favourite. But I've my doubts he'll maintain commitment for the whole 8 stages. Stannard (3rd in 2008) or the talented Josh Edmondson would be my options.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 08:34:19 PM
Movistar bring Quintana over for primarily preparation for the Worlds. He's not raced for over a month & I don't expect him to seriously go for the overall. Instead he'll test his form on stages 5 & 6.

Giovanni Visconti is likely to be given the opportunity for a high overall finish. He impressed at the Giro & seems to ride well towards the end of the season. Generally 16/1 but PP have a standout price 66/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
Garmin's Dan Martin returns to racing after his crash in the Vuelta. Again he is expected to go well in Florence for the Worlds on a course that suits him. It's difficult to asses his form, at anything close to his best he's certainly a top 3 pick. His team mate Nathan Haas was a close 2nd last year to Jonathan Tiernan-Locke.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 09:12:22 PM
IAM Cycling bring an experienced team. Thomas Löfkvist, winner of the Tour Méditerranéen Cycliste Professionnel early in the year, & Martin Elmiger, winner in the recent Tour du Limousin.  They are both great options for GC. Team manager "We are coming to Britain with the intention of getting results and not simply to give our guys some training days to prepare for the Worlds in Florence." Bookies have Löfkvist ahead of Elmiger!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 09:23:40 PM
btw, the Vuelta stage today was awesome. Young French fella Ellisonde rode a great race, another sign that the young French riders are starting to believe in themselves.

Nibali put up one hell of a fight, but Horner was just too strong. Opinion seems divided on Horner, I'm sceptical, but hate to condemn without any evidence. It'll take a while post Armstrong too just enjoy a performance & not question it I guess. Still the Vuelta proves to be one of the most exciting & unpredictable Grand Tours.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 09:34:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUJJjaUCEAE3Iob.jpg)

Adam Hansen on the way to finishing his 7th consecutive Grand Tour  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 09:52:55 PM
Irishman Philip Deignan, riding for UnitedHealthcare, has put in some great results this year in the States. He comes to the TOB with a Sky contract for next year & I'm sure with the intention of showing strongly here. PP best at 50/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 09:59:09 PM
Two young futures stars of British road racing. Twin brothers, Simon & Adam Yates, both finished in the top ten at the recent Tour de l'Avenir. They'll be in the mix for stage wins & looking to impress the bigger teams.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 10:10:16 PM
Bardiani Valvole bring an interesting team. With climber & Giro KOM winner Stefano Pirazzi & the young Bongiorno, who looks to be having a breakthrough season. The weather could be a shock to the system for the Italian team.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 14, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
I'd expect to see Anthony Delaplace or David Lelay of Sojasun go for a high GC.

Marcin Bialoblocki, age 30! of Team UK Youth (owned by Nigel Mansell) should be in the mix after a win in Ireland's An Post Ras.

Finally another young British talent, Michael Cuming of Rapha Condor will be looking to build on his win at the Tour of Korea in June.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 14, 2013, 11:56:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUJJjaUCEAE3Iob.jpg)

Adam Hansen on the way to finishing his 7th consecutive Grand Tour  ;hattip;

Sick man, especially how tough they have been this year


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 17, 2013, 11:25:57 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyWuL7lU_8E

On the TOB & the Worlds TT.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 17, 2013, 11:29:11 AM
& a chubby Brad!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_zYZcgua7c


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 17, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
BBC TV world championships schedule.

Time trials: Wednesday 25 September, 1.40-4.10pm, BBC TWO

Women’s road race: Saturday 28 September, 3.30-4.30pm, BBC ONE
Women’s road race: Saturday 28 September, 4.30-5.15pm, BBC TWO

Men’s road race: Sunday 29 September, 2.15-4.15pm, BBC TWO


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 17, 2013, 02:24:21 PM
Wiggins in beast mode today. We'll see if Sky are capable of defending his lead for the rest of the race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 18, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
http://vimeo.com/74810172

Madison Genesis - Tour of Britain : Part One.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 19, 2013, 10:30:44 PM
Small EW interest in tomorrow, stage 6.

Martin & Quintana will be testing each other out, & the young Brit will wanna get involved.

Adam Yates 66/1.

Despite a crash earlier in the race “There are still some good stages ahead for me. I’ve got my eye on that stage in Devon, although Simon could make the top 10 and I will work for him. But, because he’s my brother, he’ll let me have a bit of a freedom if I’m feeling good. I reckon that stage is going to be a really savage one, but I’ll have a good crack at it.”


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 20, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBSeQz2RUG8

Passion in Cycling, what it means for a small team to get a win  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 20, 2013, 04:24:30 PM
Small EW interest in tomorrow, stage 6.

Martin & Quintana will be testing each other out, & the young Brit will wanna get involved.

Adam Yates 66/1.

Despite a crash earlier in the race “There are still some good stages ahead for me. I’ve got my eye on that stage in Devon, although Simon could make the top 10 and I will work for him. But, because he’s my brother, he’ll let me have a bit of a freedom if I’m feeling good. I reckon that stage is going to be a really savage one, but I’ll have a good crack at it.”

nearly Tonji!!!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 20, 2013, 05:07:53 PM
Small EW interest in tomorrow, stage 6.

Martin & Quintana will be testing each other out, & the young Brit will wanna get involved.

Adam Yates 66/1.

Despite a crash earlier in the race “There are still some good stages ahead for me. I’ve got my eye on that stage in Devon, although Simon could make the top 10 and I will work for him. But, because he’s my brother, he’ll let me have a bit of a freedom if I’m feeling good. I reckon that stage is going to be a really savage one, but I’ll have a good crack at it.”

nearly Tonji!!!

heard the result in the car, ...for a few seconds, then click, he said Simon ffs. lol


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 20, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
Small EW interest in tomorrow, stage 6.

Martin & Quintana will be testing each other out, & the young Brit will wanna get involved.

Adam Yates 66/1.

Despite a crash earlier in the race “There are still some good stages ahead for me. I’ve got my eye on that stage in Devon, although Simon could make the top 10 and I will work for him. But, because he’s my brother, he’ll let me have a bit of a freedom if I’m feeling good. I reckon that stage is going to be a really savage one, but I’ll have a good crack at it.”

nearly Tonji!!!

heard the result in the car, ...for a few seconds, then click, he said Simon ffs. lol

Just checked to see if I misclicked Simon,   :) nope, lol.

He should one of the favourites in next weeks U23 Worlds Road Race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 20, 2013, 06:23:17 PM
Yeah I missed the race, Tour of Britain seems to finish earlier in the day than other tours so keep missing it. Looked up the result and when I saw the name thought Tonji had a nice touch.
Checked the thread and realised it was the other brother.

That aside, awesome turn of speed to leave that field behind, some cracking young uns coming through the sport atm that can climb


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 20, 2013, 08:39:59 PM
http://vimeo.com/75011515

Madison Genesis - Tour of Britain : Part Two.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 21, 2013, 09:30:18 AM
World Champs Team Time Trial tomorrow.

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2013/09/11/2/elite_men_team_time_trial_profile_670.jpg)

57.2km, flat & not technical. Aerodynamics and speed will be the key to victory with the only corners at the start and at the finish in the streets of Florence.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/world-championships/elite-men-team-time-trial/winning-team

Competed as trade teams, in all other races the riders are in National teams.

OPQS rightly installed as favourites. With the power of Tony Martin & Sylvain Chavanel it's hard to see them being beaten.

I can only see BMC & OGE getting close. Both teams have been putting in specific training for this. OGE team have a track background & may be able to negate the OPQS power advantage with better team aero riding.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 21, 2013, 10:23:49 AM
Elite Women team time trial, shorter at 42.8km.

Specialized-Lululemon should win. The battle for the other podium spots between ORICA-AIS, Rabo-Liv Giant & Wiggle-Honda.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 22, 2013, 10:46:54 AM
Elite Women team time trial, shorter at 42.8km.

Specialized-Lululemon should win. The battle for the other podium spots between ORICA-AIS, Rabo-Liv Giant & Wiggle-Honda.

Poor show from UCI, with no TV coverage, but results:

1 Specialized-Lululemon 51:10.69 2 Rabo +1:11.09 3 ORICA-AIS +1.33.83.

Coverage of the mens TTT on BBC red button or online from 1.30.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 22, 2013, 03:37:04 PM
Go OGE, real tight finish!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 22, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
1 sec difference between OGE & OPQS at time check...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 22, 2013, 04:10:40 PM
WTF less than a second. OPQS win wow, so so close


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 23, 2013, 11:01:42 AM
U23 ITT looks a straight forward 1/2 for the Aussies Campbell Flakemore & Damien Howson. Both have dominated all season.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
Women's Elite Time Trial, live on the red button & online from 1.30 today.

No Judith Arnd this year having retired. Ellen van Dijk has been dominant in recent ITT, her power suits the course.

Outsider for top 3. The controversial Ukrainian Ganna Solovey.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2013, 11:55:11 AM
Euskaltel and Alonso agreement collapses. Add in the demise of Vacansoleil, & rumours yesterday that Sojasun will fold, that's plenty of riders & staff out of a job next year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2013, 12:07:17 PM
http://vimeo.com/75288320

Madison Genesis - Tour of Britain. Final Part.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2013, 12:52:33 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxivG6GcLcU

Some thoughts on the Worlds, including the legendary U Boat captain Brian Holm  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2013, 10:30:35 AM
Men's Elite ITT. This could be the titanic battle of the year.

Three of the greatest Time Trialers of their generation & a young contender. All in top shape as far as we know. Martin, Wiggins, Cancellara & Phinney.

Martin has been favourite all week at a shade above evens. But Wiggins has shortened to be a near joint favourite. Probably down to the PR after the TOB & Brit cash backing him.

I'd still go Martin over Wiggins. Prices too short for me, it'll be close.

Phinney could overturn Cancellara for the third spot. Cancellara has his sights on the RR on sunday.

It's probably all about these four, but I can see Rohan Dennis putting in a great ride.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj7jPkbO7jQ

Wggins sets off third from last today at just after 2pm. Cancellara and Martin go at 90 second intervals behind him.

Live on BBC2 1.40pm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2013, 12:40:54 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24232210

When you see Wiggins that confident & focused you gotta take notice!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2013, 02:27:11 PM
Cancellara flying out of the start!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2013, 02:49:19 PM
Martin's power now telling...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2013, 03:02:45 PM
Wiggins riding a stronger final half...reeling in Cancellara.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on September 25, 2013, 03:08:52 PM
The bbc commentators completely misunderstanding the GPS is tilting the hell out of me.

Cancellera is the reference you dumbwits, Martin is ahead of him and Wiggins behind hence the +'s and -'s.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2013, 03:28:45 PM
Panzerwagon Martin just awesome & unbeatable. Wiggins really should be happy with second overhauling Cancellara. Great race!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
Massive day for the future cycling. The UCI election for President takes place after months of political manoeuvring & dodgy tactics from Pat McQuaid. Finally cycling can move on if Brian Cookson gets elected as expected & hoped for. If not it's doomed for more years of turmoil.

Men's U23 Road Race this afternoon. GB's Simon Yates in with an excellent chance for gold.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
Quote
Massive day for the future cycling. The UCI election for President takes place after months of political manoeuvring & dodgy tactics from Pat McQuaid. Finally cycling can move on if Brian Cookson gets elected as expected & hoped for. If not it's doomed for more years of turmoil.

A vote on whether to vote was 21-21, you couldn't make it up.  :dontask: All unclear from twitter reports. Farce in the house of Machiavelli!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2013, 12:06:08 PM
U23 road race is live on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdR93Ctlvzo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2013, 01:37:13 PM
UCI Congress update: 24-18 Cookson wins.  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2013, 03:59:38 PM
U23 road race is live on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdR93Ctlvzo

On the final circuit...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2013, 11:18:57 AM
Women's Elite RR. Marianne Vos as usual outstanding favourite. She wins for fun, but not totally unbeatable...

I've got a small EW interest in Sarah Gillow 66/1.

Would like to write up more, but too much work on at the moment.

A few names for the Men's RR later I hope.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
Tomorrow has a 90% chance of rain. Chances of a surprise result increased in race that was open already with such a high quality field & National teams likely to struggle in controlling things.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
A brief view on tomorrow's men's RR. 

At over 270km & over 3500m of vertical gain, it's one of the longest of the year, finishing with a tough 10 lap circuit of Florence. The best are here, top one day racers & GC guys all looking for the rainbow jersey. All with a chance depending on how the race is tactically run & the element of luck needed to top a field of 207 riders in 7 hours or so of racing.

Weather, likely to pee down. The descents are fast, the surface smooth, the best bike handlers avoid the carnage if lucky.

Race scenario. Teams like GB, Spain & Italy have a common goal in making a fast early pace. They need to drop & tire the likes Sagan, Cancellara & Gilbert. Riding full gas should make for a select group of the strongest come the final two circuits. I'd see something like a final group of 20-30 riders with a smaller group of 3 or 4 off the front by a few seconds. From watching the previous races, the climbs are not as difficult as predicted. A strong puncheur can make it if in top shape.

My bets at the moment.

Main bet FTW is Sagan @ 5/1. has drifted a touch, PP have 6/1 now. Close call between Cancellara. But Sagan wins for fun, able to sprint or ride away from a group. Climbing better than ever. One negative is he's not proven over 250km.

Dan Martin FTW @ 28/1. Two great wins this year in long tough races, notably at Liège-Bastogne-Liège. Shown glimpses of his climbing power in TOB, & can finish fast in a select group.

Diego Ulissi EW @ 50/1. Impressed at the Vuelta, & still in great form with a second at GP Costa Degli Etruschi. Negative, likely to be an option after Nibali, but should be used to attack in the later stages.

Martin Elmiger @ 1000/1 on betty  :o (to trade later) Cancellara's team mate, having one of the best seasons of his career, particularly strong at the moment, has finished three times in the top twenty at the Worlds. Underrated & under the radar.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/world-championships/elite-men-road-race/winner

Loads of big prices available, some firms paying EW top 4. Value to be had, but I think more than a few darts need to be thrown!

Betty in play will be fun tomorrow!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 28, 2013, 10:29:45 PM
A brief view on tomorrow's men's RR. 

At over 270km & over 3500m of vertical gain, it's one of the longest of the year, finishing with a tough 10 lap circuit of Florence. The best are here, top one day racers & GC guys all looking for the rainbow jersey. All with a chance depending on how the race is tactically run & the element of luck needed to top a field of 207 riders in 7 hours or so of racing.

Weather, likely to pee down. The descents are fast, the surface smooth, the best bike handlers avoid the carnage if lucky.

Race scenario. Teams like GB, Spain & Italy have a common goal in making a fast early pace. They need to drop & tire the likes Sagan, Cancellara & Gilbert. Riding full gas should make for a select group of the strongest come the final two circuits. I'd see something like a final group of 20-30 riders with a smaller group of 3 or 4 off the front by a few seconds. From watching the previous races, the climbs are not as difficult as predicted. A strong puncheur can make it if in top shape.

My bets at the moment.

Main bet FTW is Sagan @ 5/1. has drifted a touch, PP have 6/1 now. Close call between Cancellara. But Sagan wins for fun, able to sprint or ride away from a group. Climbing better than ever. One negative is he's not proven over 250km.

Dan Martin FTW @ 28/1. Two great wins this year in long tough races, notably at Liège-Bastogne-Liège. Shown glimpses of his climbing power in TOB, & can finish fast in a select group.

Diego Ulissi EW @ 50/1. Impressed at the Vuelta, & still in great form with a second at GP Costa Degli Etruschi. Negative, likely to be an option after Nibali, but should be used to attack in the later stages.

Martin Elmiger @ 1000/1 on betty  :o (to trade later) Cancellara's team mate, having one of the best seasons of his career, particularly strong at the moment, has finished three times in the top twenty at the Worlds. Underrated & under the radar.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/world-championships/elite-men-road-race/winner

Loads of big prices available, some firms paying EW top 4. Value to be had, but I think more than a few darts need to be thrown!

Betty in play will be fun tomorrow!

Nice write up fella, as always.

Really hard to see past Sagan, as you state he is a much better climber than what he gets recognition from, just depends on his team being strong enough to support him.
Dan Martin looks a cracking shout at those odds.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2013, 10:38:12 PM
Still got another three on a short list, vegas. So many you can make a case for...

Should be a cracking race, enjoy.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2013, 10:52:51 PM
Still got another three on a short list, vegas. So many you can make a case for...

Should be a cracking race, enjoy.

Oh & the Spanish, they've been quite in the build up. Sure to feature at some stage, but maybe the expected poor weather could dampen their chances.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 09:19:44 AM
Underway...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24306085

Live on BBC2 at 2.15.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 10:35:45 AM
Some thoughts on teams & riders likely to feature on the final circuits on what could be an open race.

Belgium: Gilbert & Van Avermaet, some disagreement within the team on tactics, but with Bakelants could have numbers & strong options.

Spain: numerous options & experience, should be attacking & counter attacking with Moreno & LL Sanchez, to set up chances for Rodriguez, Valverde or Sam Sanchez.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 10:49:47 AM
Italy: Nibili as nominated leader, team needs to engineer a small final group for him to have a chance. But numerous options in Ulissi, Pozzato & Visconti.

Columbia: Quintana hopes for a medal, but is not a one day racer. On paper a strong team, but form for some is questionable at the moment. Although Rubiano, who rides for the Italian Androni team is in top shape & could surprise.

GB: Currently riding on the front of the peloton. Likely to use up riders on the circuits to make for a hard paced race. Possibly with the intention of leaving Froome with Stannard & another to launch a final attack on the penultimate lap.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 11:07:50 AM
Netherlands: I'd expect Mollema to be in the mix on the final circuit.

France: have no designated leader, & all have a free role to race & attack at will, normal French tactics! Plenty of in form riders in Vichot, Voeckler & Barguil.

Australia: Cadel Evans loves Italy, low profile build up, Reasonable in Canada recently, I'll not be surprised to see him giving it one last push as his career draws to a close. Then you've got quality in Richie Porte, & top youngsters in Rohan Dennis & Michael Matthews.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 11:28:45 AM
USA: Not much talk in the media, but with Van Garderen, Talansky & Horner, at least one should feature late on.

Slovakia: All about Sagan.

Czech Republic: Like Stybar, one to watch. I missed a price before the start for a top 3. But later perhaps...

Switzerland: All about Cancellara, he'll be hiding in the peloton saving energy until the final circuits, but will be heavily marked. Elmiger I'm hoping can get away in an attack in the final 20km.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 11:37:11 AM
Poland: Will be watching out for the exceptional Michal Kwiatkowski.

Germany: Degenkolb, in fine form, really a question of being able to stay with any attacks on the climbs.

Ireland: Dan Martin, but Nico Roche is in the best form of his life. Young Sam Bennett will be up for it after a fine performance in the TOB.





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 11:54:47 AM
Best of the rest:

Russia's Alexandr Kolobnev, a World's specialist, always seems to involved.

Denmark's Jakob Fuglsang.

Portugal's Rui Costa, clever rider in finding the right break. In form & on my short list.

Sweden's Thomas Lofkvist.

Norway, EBH will like his chances, certainly in form & will be liking the weather. Another short list candidate. Also Lars Petter Nordhaug has some decent form.

New Zealand's Jack Bauer is tough rider & can hang in there.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
Already 100 riders out...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 02:15:15 PM
Martin out, Elmiger I think crashed, Ulissi dropped I think. Sagan quietly hidden in the front group.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 02:23:11 PM
Ulissi reappeared  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 29, 2013, 04:44:11 PM
Great race, would have loved to seen Purito win, but Costa rode a super smart race.

The race distance & final attack by the climbers blunted the likes of Sagan & Cancellara.

Il Lombardia next...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on September 30, 2013, 10:10:46 AM
Great race. Feel sorry for Purito, he's so aggressive yet so often seems to be the nearly man. Tactics played right into Costas hands with the other three messing about with eachother. What happened with the Brits? I know the few interviewed said they werent feeling it but they seemed to give up far too early


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 30, 2013, 11:23:59 AM
Great race. Feel sorry for Purito, he's so aggressive yet so often seems to be the nearly man. Tactics played right into Costas hands with the other three messing about with eachother. What happened with the Brits? I know the few interviewed said they werent feeling it but they seemed to give up far too early

Just a really poor show from GB. Rod Ellingworth, the coach, was pretty pissed! I think they wimped out, & Wiggin's lost his nerve again in wet descents. To not get one rider in the final selection is not on.

Yeah Purito is my favourite rider, gutted for him, he was as distraught after, he's normally philosophical about things,...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 30, 2013, 11:47:12 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOl2OPjewOE

Brutal, bodies scattered all over...

Still no excuse for GB, same for all.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on October 02, 2013, 02:10:49 PM
Awful showing from the Brit team.
Wiggo would still be moaning now if he was nominated team leader and not Froome and the team had fallen apart like that


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 02, 2013, 04:35:16 PM
Awful showing from the Brit team.
Wiggo would still be moaning now if he was nominated team leader and not Froome and the team had fallen apart like that

I'd be interested to know what Sky expect from Wiggins next season. He's still on a multi million Euro salary, but looks so far off being able to ride as a GT contender these days.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 02, 2013, 10:31:50 PM
http://inrng.com/2013/10/finances-team-sky/

Interesting analysis of Team Sky accounts from one of the best cycling bloggers.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 02, 2013, 10:38:05 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVW5s3trLLg

Giro route is announced next week. Promo with added Hollywood voice over always makes me chuckle  :)

I'm thinking about spending a week out there next year...but this years weather has me stalling.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 12, 2013, 09:31:56 AM
Back from a buying road trip, proper old school. A van, some folding, & optimism.  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 12, 2013, 12:22:26 PM
Pretty much the season ending now.

Tour of Beijing has started.

Today has a decent one day race, Giro dell'Emilia. I've missed the PP market but was going to get on Franco Pellizotti.

Tomorrow is Paris-Tours.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/paris-tours/winner

Greg Van Avermaet, Enrico Gasparotto & Lars Boom look value to me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 12, 2013, 04:37:19 PM
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Today has a decent one day race, Giro dell'Emilia. I've missed the PP market but was going to get on Franco Pellizotti.


Swerved it, he came 4th. Ulissi wins, impressive the past couple of months. I'll be looking to back him in the Ardennes Classics next year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 23, 2013, 09:34:23 AM
2014 Tour de France route is announced today, well sort of, it's already been leaked in the French press.

Five summit finishes, including the Hautacam after climbing Tourmalet. A stage in Northern France will have six sections of pave including the famous Forest of Arenberg.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXPuiTEIUAAksCo.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 23, 2013, 04:56:10 PM
Already pencilled in a trip over for stage 5. Ypres - Arenberg Porte du Hainaut. Lightweight GC guys on the cobbles, OPQS & Belkin will be full gas & inflicting a world of pain!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 15, 2014, 09:26:27 AM
This thread's been languishing on Page 2 for a while, so I've decided to jumpstart it for 2014. Tonji will be along shortly. Here goes...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 15, 2014, 09:30:27 AM
The 2014 Tour Down Under (TDU) gets under way this weekend, and the favourite to win it all is Simon Gerrans, the newly-crowned Australian national champion. In 2012 he finished top of the podium, and in 2013, it was only thanks to a 20-man pile-up on the 2nd stage that he didn't repeat. Just to prove the point, he managed to recover by winning the crucial 5th stage that finished on Old Willunga Hill. Second that day? Tom-Jelte Slagter (the overall winner). Third? Javier Moreno (second overall).

It is fair to say that Gerrans is the overwhelming favourite to win the TDU. Best odds of 7/2 are far from attractive, however, and therefore he is best left alone.

It is also fair to say that this year's Stage 5 finish on Old Willunga Hill will more than likely determine the winner. To succeed at the TDU, you need to be both a good sprinter (to take advantage of the many time bonuses) and a decent climber. Not a steady, metronomic climber, mind, but rather a punchy, erratic, attacking one. It's an odd combination, but if I had to pick one cyclist that fits the mould, it's Phillipe Gilbert. Unfortunately, he's not taking part this year.

Looking at the field, Cadel Evans (6/1), is an unknown quantity. He had a good performance in the Ozzie national champs (2nd), and is undoubtedly in good nick. But there is always the chance that he is using this race as preparation for the Giro, and leaving the real racing to his lieutenant, Ben Hermans (33/1). Both fit the profile of a likely champion, with a good turn of speed, both on the flats and the steeps.

Richie Porte (13/2), Geraint Thomas (10/1), and Rohan Dennis (14/1), in my mind, don't have the required skill set when it comes to the sprints, and should miss out.

Javier Moreno (16/1) came really close to winning last year, and was 8th the year before, so I would not put anyone off backing him to do the business in 2014. The only problem is that I just do not find his odds very attractive ... especially not when compared to those of his team-mate at Movistar ... JOSE JOAQUIN ROJAS (or JJ for short). He is trading at 100/1 @ Spoilsports (1/5 odds 1-2-3) or 80/1 @ Ladjokes (1/4 odds 1-2-3).

JJ is a year younger than Moreno, and is a better sprinter to boot. He won't be stealing any stage victories from Greipel, Kittel, Viviani and co, but he might nick a couple of seconds at the intermediate sprints. He is also a decent climber (as good as Moreno), and could arguably have achieved more at the TDU last year (14th), if he wasn't riding as a domestique. For five times the price of his team-mate, you essentially get the same cyclist. The only risk is that I'm not sure who'll get the nod this year. For me, it's worth a fiver each-way to find out.

And if you believe in the natural order of things, the following is interesting (other than that Movistar likes podiums):
2013   Moreno (MOV) 2nd   Rojas (MOV) 14th
2012   Valverde (MOV) 2nd   Moreno (MOV) 8th
2010   Sanchez (Caisse D'Epargne (old Movistar) 2nd   Valverde (CDE) 19th
2009   Rojas (CDE) 3rd      Sanchez (CDE) 15th
2008   Rojas (CDE) 3rd      Sanchez (CDE) 8th
Time to complete the cycle, so to speak.

PS. I wouldn't put anyone off backing a JJ Rojas / JJ Henry (at the Humana Challenge) e/w double. I love these types of ice-cream bets.

PPS. There is another name I'd like to throw into the hat, but he hasn't been priced up yet. tbc...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 15, 2014, 10:34:17 AM
Tremendous write up cws. Keep em coming, as I said in TfT, other commitments are keeping spare time at a premium at the moment.

I notice a few season bets that look interesting, but will need some digging to see if numbers look to stack up. I'll run it by you & the thread laters.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BigAdz on January 15, 2014, 10:37:35 AM
Nice one CWS.

Expect to see a price stampede!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on January 15, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
Hi CWS

Couple of questions:

Why is Gripel 200-1? and is he not in the running for a third title? Also his team mate is as low as 16-1 and was as high as 150-1 Jurgen Roelandts, I was reading he may be given a free rain. Whats your thoughts on these 2?



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 15, 2014, 11:54:48 AM
Hi CWS

Couple of questions:

Why is Gripel 200-1? and is he not in the running for a third title? Also his team mate is as low as 16-1 and was as high as 150-1 Jurgen Roelandts, I was reading he may be given a free rain. Whats your thoughts on these 2?



Greipel is a fat boy sprinter, so a big favourite for the sprint stages, but for the overall 200/1 is standard.

cws will know more current form, but Roelandts is a General Classification rider whose form tends to peak in the races ahead of the Tour. Bookies probably unsure on what to price him at.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on January 15, 2014, 12:00:40 PM
Hi CWS

Couple of questions:

Why is Gripel 200-1? and is he not in the running for a third title? Also his team mate is as low as 16-1 and was as high as 150-1 Jurgen Roelandts, I was reading he may be given a free rain. Whats your thoughts on these 2?



Greipel is a fat boy sprinter, so a big favourite for the sprint stages, but for the overall 200/1 is standard.

cws will know more current form, but Roelandts is a General Classification rider whose form tends to peak in the races ahead of the Tour. Bookies probably unsure on what to price him at.

was doing some more reading and came across this http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/greipel_i_will_never_win_the_tour_down_under_again/

so that explains alot, Im not really up on knowledge of cycling but it seems strange to me that a team would have a guy leading it who says he cant win? He does speak about Hansen though?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 15, 2014, 12:21:03 PM
Hi CWS

Couple of questions:

Why is Gripel 200-1? and is he not in the running for a third title? Also his team mate is as low as 16-1 and was as high as 150-1 Jurgen Roelandts, I was reading he may be given a free rain. Whats your thoughts on these 2?



Greipel is a fat boy sprinter, so a big favourite for the sprint stages, but for the overall 200/1 is standard.

cws will know more current form, but Roelandts is a General Classification rider whose form tends to peak in the races ahead of the Tour. Bookies probably unsure on what to price him at.

was doing some more reading and came across this http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/greipel_i_will_never_win_the_tour_down_under_again/

so that explains alot, Im not really up on knowledge of cycling but it seems strange to me that a team would have a guy leading it who says he cant win? He does speak about Hansen though?

There are few World Tour stage races a sprinter can realistically expect to win the GC. The sprinters season is all about the number of stage wins & winning UCI points for the team. One of the many layers of competition in Cycling. Some excellent young sprinters emerging to challenge the likes of Cavendish & Greipel, Kittel the best of them.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 15, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
Hi CWS

Couple of questions:

Why is Gripel 200-1? and is he not in the running for a third title? Also his team mate is as low as 16-1 and was as high as 150-1 Jurgen Roelandts, I was reading he may be given a free rain. Whats your thoughts on these 2?



Greipel is a fat boy sprinter, so a big favourite for the sprint stages, but for the overall 200/1 is standard.

cws will know more current form, but Roelandts is a General Classification rider whose form tends to peak in the races ahead of the Tour. Bookies probably unsure on what to price him at.

was doing some more reading and came across this http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/greipel_i_will_never_win_the_tour_down_under_again/

so that explains alot, Im not really up on knowledge of cycling but it seems strange to me that a team would have a guy leading it who says he cant win? He does speak about Hansen though?

There are few World Tour stage races a sprinter can realistically expect to win the GC. The sprinters season is all about the number of stage wins & winning UCI points for the team. One of the many layers of competition in Cycling. Some excellent young sprinters emerging to challenge the likes of Cavendish & Greipel, Kittel the best of them.

As Tonji explains above, team leaders are not just contenders to win tours, but win sprints/points.

The 'skinny' riders ala Froome, Contador etc go for the GC ( general classification or overall time leader). Because they are so light they can up hills much faster and gain a lot of time.

The 'fat' boys ala Cavendish, Griepel etc go for the stage wins and the mini sprints during a stage. They carry more muscle and weight, which is good for fast sprinting in short bursts, bad for long uphill climbs.

It is very difficult to have a team for both so you go for one or the other. Teams love winning stages as it gets a lot of media coverage for the sponsors, who pay to run the team.

That is why you see Cav especially, but others too, pull out their top at the finish, allowing the logos to be clear for the photos


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on January 15, 2014, 04:29:13 PM
Hi CWS

Couple of questions:

Why is Gripel 200-1? and is he not in the running for a third title? Also his team mate is as low as 16-1 and was as high as 150-1 Jurgen Roelandts, I was reading he may be given a free rain. Whats your thoughts on these 2?



Greipel is a fat boy sprinter, so a big favourite for the sprint stages, but for the overall 200/1 is standard.

cws will know more current form, but Roelandts is a General Classification rider whose form tends to peak in the races ahead of the Tour. Bookies probably unsure on what to price him at.

was doing some more reading and came across this http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/greipel_i_will_never_win_the_tour_down_under_again/

so that explains alot, Im not really up on knowledge of cycling but it seems strange to me that a team would have a guy leading it who says he cant win? He does speak about Hansen though?

There are few World Tour stage races a sprinter can realistically expect to win the GC. The sprinters season is all about the number of stage wins & winning UCI points for the team. One of the many layers of competition in Cycling. Some excellent young sprinters emerging to challenge the likes of Cavendish & Greipel, Kittel the best of them.

As Tonji explains above, team leaders are not just contenders to win tours, but win sprints/points.

The 'skinny' riders ala Froome, Contador etc go for the GC ( general classification or overall time leader). Because they are so light they can up hills much faster and gain a lot of time.

The 'fat' boys ala Cavendish, Griepel etc go for the stage wins and the mini sprints during a stage. They carry more muscle and weight, which is good for fast sprinting in short bursts, bad for long uphill climbs.

It is very difficult to have a team for both so you go for one or the other. Teams love winning stages as it gets a lot of media coverage for the sponsors, who pay to run the team.

That is why you see Cav especially, but others too, pull out their top at the finish, allowing the logos to be clear for the photos

Thanks for taking the time to explain guys, always been interested in cycling, now I understand it that bit better.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 15, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
JJ Rojas cut to 33/1 on PP, should have got on earlier  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 15, 2014, 06:12:47 PM
JJ Rojas cut to 33/1 on PP, should have got on earlier  :(

 ;gobsmacked; BigAdz moves markets.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 15, 2014, 07:54:47 PM
JJ Rojas cut to 33/1 on PP, should have got on earlier  :(

Damn

Any season long prospects we can look out for? I have been too absorbed in the cricket past couple of months


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BigAdz on January 15, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
JJ Rojas cut to 33/1 on PP, should have got on earlier  :(

 ;gobsmacked; BigAdz moves markets.


These days its Mrs Adz that moves markets ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 15, 2014, 08:56:11 PM
JJ Rojas cut to 33/1 on PP, should have got on earlier  :(

Damn

Any season long prospects we can look out for? I have been too absorbed in the cricket past couple of months

With the retirement of some of the Armstrong era riders, there should be more opportunities for emerging younger talents.

In the one day Classics, watch out for Diego Ullisi.

Sure to be many others...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on January 16, 2014, 08:23:33 PM
JJ Rojas cut to 33/1 on PP, should have got on earlier  :(

Damn

Any season long prospects we can look out for? I have been too absorbed in the cricket past couple of months

Jj Rojas now on b365@ 125-1 paying 1/2/3/4 @ 1/3


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on January 16, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
What's your thoughts on Schlek, my understanding is he is coming back from a ban?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 17, 2014, 01:41:17 AM
What's your thoughts on Schlek, my understanding is he is coming back from a ban?

Brilliant cyclist at his peak, but there is plenty of suspicion that his success was fuelled partly by drugs. Easy to say that his dog days are over, and he has no chance in this event. It would be like John Daly winning the golf this weekend.

But I do have another tip to put up. One that I promised earlier. Again, I have to warn everyone that this is not a TfT quality tip, but worth a punt at the price.

Matteo Trentin can sprint with the best of them. From the same team as Mark Cavendish ... Omega Pharma - Quick Step ... he is good enough to maybe score a podium finish on one or two of the stages. And he can keep up on the climbs. Also, for some reason, Mark Renshaw (Cavendish's lead-out man) is not with him him at the Tour de San Luis, but is taking part Down Under. Maybe as a lead-out man for Trentin? A bit of practice for the Giro? Who knows?

For 200/1 @ BetVictor and 150/@ PP, he is even better value than old JJ Rojas. Each-way of course. Still fancy Simon Gerrans to win the lot.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 17, 2014, 03:28:14 AM
What's your thoughts on Schlek, my understanding is he is coming back from a ban?

Brilliant cyclist at his peak, but there is plenty of suspicion that his success was fuelled partly by drugs. Easy to say that his dog days are over, and he has no chance in this event. It would be like John Daly winning the golf this weekend.

But I do have another tip to put up. One that I promised earlier. Again, I have to warn everyone that this is not a TfT quality tip, but worth a punt at the price.

Matteo Trentin can sprint with the best of them. From the same team as Mark Cavendish ... Omega Pharma - Quick Step ... he is good enough to maybe score a podium finish on one or two of the stages. And he can keep up on the climbs. Also, for some reason, Mark Renshaw (Cavendish's lead-out man) is not with him him at the Tour de San Luis, but is taking part Down Under. Maybe as a lead-out man for Trentin? A bit of practice for the Giro? Who knows?

For 200/1 @ BetVictor and 150/@ PP, he is even better value than old JJ Rojas. Each-way of course. Still fancy Simon Gerrans to win the lot.

ooh, quality pick there cheapwet!  Renshaw must be going a) for practice and b) teaching/showing the team how to get the train right.
Only way you can get the train right with the jumps is to right up there in a race with the elbows clashing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 17, 2014, 09:47:47 PM
Good luck with your bets lads. Think I'll be sitting this one out, although stage 5 Willunga Hill is always exciting, may get involved then.

Anyone know what time & channel in UK this is on?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 19, 2014, 09:25:13 AM
Stage 1, criterium, The Peoples Choice Classic live now

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8785996#cf



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on January 19, 2014, 10:11:27 AM
Stage 1, criterium, The Peoples Choice Classic live now

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8785996#cf



Wow what a fantastic finish, now can you explain what it means or how it affects the whole race?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 19, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
Stage 1, criterium, The Peoples Choice Classic live now

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8785996#cf



Wow what a fantastic finish, now can you explain what it means or how it affects the whole race?

While officially stage 1, it's just an appetizer for the main race proper starting tomorrow.

Kittel looked it supreme control in that sprint, no panic, & just enough gas to get the win. Looks to have plenty more in the tank.

Good to see cws's man JJ in the mix.

Rumours & some shrewed journos in Aus have tipped up Rory Sutherland big. Price slashed overnight from 200/1 to 20/1. Interesting, we'll see...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2014, 12:06:03 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-san-luis/winner

A ten minute look at this over coffee, so no recommends, but...

Serpa, has a great record here, getting on a bit, but Lampre send a strong team.

Intxausti @ 50/1, if Quintana is just building towards the Giro, Benat could be leading Movistar. CWS any info on your hero?




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 21, 2014, 05:32:23 AM
Sorry Tonji, I'm a bit late to the party regarding the Tour de San Luis. Just as well, as according to reports, most of the favourites for the GC suffered on the first stage thanks to a stomach bug going round the peloton ... as well as a windy parcours (not related to the stomach bug I am told). As you might know, this led to a breakaway succeeding in claiming the stage victory, and little-known Phillip Gaimon of Garmin-Sharp now leads the overall by 12s (4:35 ahead of Intxausti, Quintana, et al). Game on?!? :P I'm now eagerly awaiting the latest GC odds, but am probably going to avoid putting money on the overall result, and have a punt on the TT later in the week instead.

I've just finished watching the first stage of the Tour Down Under, where an in-form Simon Gerrans has taken the early lead. He now has between a 5s and 15s advantage over most of the main contenders. For this thread's purposes (ie. riders that have been mentioned), the most pertinent results are: Ulissi (+11), Evans (+11), Sutherland (+15), Moreno (+15), Rojas (+15), Schleck (+15), Hermans (+15), Trentin (2:32).

Gerrans managed to pip Andre Greipel on the line, and in this sort of imperious form, he will be very hard to beat. Unfortunately, Rojas was looking good until he and Moreno decided to do a combined Movistar arse-over-tit just 1km from the end. Degree of difficulty: 5.4 ;applause; This is bad for my suggested bet, as this was a stage I really fancied him to pick up a few bonus seconds on. Thank goodness for the UCI kindly awarding crashed cyclists the same time as the bunch inside of the last 3km. In the spirit of hoping for Sam Allardyce to lose his job, we must now also hope that Gerrans crashes on the Corkscrew tomorrow. Mean-spirited ... maybe ... but he is after all a tax-dodger who lives in Monaco.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on January 21, 2014, 05:53:19 AM
Sorry Tonji, I'm a bit late to the party regarding the Tour de San Luis. Just as well, as according to reports, most of the favourites for the GC suffered on the first stage thanks to a stomach bug going round the peloton ... as well as a windy parcours (not related to the stomach bug I am told). As you might know, this led to a breakaway succeeding in claiming the stage victory, and little-known Phillip Gaimon of Garmin-Sharp now leads the overall by 12s (4:35 ahead of Intxausti, Quintana, et al). Game on?!? :P I'm now eagerly awaiting the latest GC odds, but am probably going to avoid putting money on the overall result, and have a punt on the TT later in the week instead.

I've just finished watching the first stage of the Tour Down Under, where an in-form Simon Gerrans has taken the early lead. He now has between a 5s and 15s advantage over most of the main contenders. For this thread's purposes (ie. riders that have been mentioned), the most pertinent results are: Ulissi (+11), Evans (+11), Sutherland (+15), Moreno (+15), Rojas (+15), Schleck (+15), Hermans (+15), Trentin (2:32).

Gerrans managed to pip Andre Greipel on the line, and in this sort of imperious form, he will be very hard to beat. Unfortunately, Rojas was looking good until he and Moreno decided to do a combined Movistar arse-over-tit just 1km from the end. Degree of difficulty: 5.4 ;applause; This is bad for my suggested bet, as this was a stage I really fancied him to pick up a few bonus seconds on. Thank goodness for the UCI kindly awarding crashed cyclists the same time as the bunch inside of the last 3km. In the spirit of hoping for Sam Allardyce to lose his job, we must now also hope that Gerrans crashes on the Corkscrew tomorrow. Mean-spirited ... maybe ... but he is after all a tax-dodger who lives in Monaco.


Great write up CWS, please keep them coming, is it possible for you to put up the best link to follow for results?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 21, 2014, 08:57:37 AM
Cheers cws,

live at an unheard of hour in the morning is not for me.

pm sent Omm


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on January 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
Sigh
Shouldn't have looked at this thread til after watching the replay thats on SS2 right now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 22, 2014, 05:32:53 AM
Just found out that JJ Rojas was a DNS this morning in the Tour Down Under after fracturing his scaphoid in yesterday's fall. Sigh.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 22, 2014, 07:42:49 PM
http://www.cameronwurf.blogspot.co.uk/

well worth a read on what happens in the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 22, 2014, 09:31:31 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-down-under/tour-down-under-2014-stage-3/winner

Looks like this stage could decide the overall result. Gerrans & OGE probably think this is the only stage left that can harm their chances. Realistically only Ulissi & Evans look a real threat to GC. Sky will probably like their chances today, but need to ride full gas up Corkscrew to reduce to a select few.

Prices look about fair to me, nothing stands out.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 23, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
https://audioboo.fm/channel/humansinventcycling

Well worth bookmarking this podcast. Relaxed chat, great stories from the past, full of knowledgeable insight into whats happening in Pro Cycling.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 24, 2014, 03:57:26 PM
Nothing worthwhile to report regarding the prices for the time-trial stage at the Tour de San Luis. BMU are being positively miserly with their odds, and are only paying out on two places (as are LadJokes). BillyHills aren't even bothering with a place market, and PP seem to be giving it a miss altogether. Looks like these odds compilers have wisened to the nuances of the cycling game. Well, maybe not LadJokes so much, as they are quoting a price of 13/2 for Leandro Messineo to win the stage ... even though he abandoned the race after crashing on day one.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 25, 2014, 10:41:07 AM
Nothing worthwhile to report regarding the prices for the time-trial stage at the Tour de San Luis. BMU are being positively miserly with their odds, and are only paying out on two places (as are LadJokes). BillyHills aren't even bothering with a place market, and PP seem to be giving it a miss altogether. Looks like these odds compilers have wisened to the nuances of the cycling game. Well, maybe not LadJokes so much, as they are quoting a price of 13/2 for Leandro Messineo to win the stage ... even though he abandoned the race after crashing on day one.

I noticed Phinney got beat in the ITT, at evens/odds on. What price was Malori?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 25, 2014, 01:13:54 PM
If I remember correctly, he was 5/1 for a split second at WH, but settled into 14/5 generally. Would have suggested him, but he has always let me down in the past. Does like this kind of flat TT stage though. Still, for only two places, I couldn't get myself to pull the trigger. Given that there was only 2 seconds in it, I'm not feeling awful about my decision. Would have taken 4/1 with 3 places, but WH was win only (not that I have an account with them anyhow).

Glad to say that I've learned plenty about form from these two early stage races. If Quintana does decide to do the Giro, he should win it, but he'll have plenty of competition from Porte, Evans and perhaps even Ulissi.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 25, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
Start of the hard men races with Omloop Het Nieuwsblad on Saturday.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw4087rH0Fo

Boonen on form & looking ftw.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on February 25, 2014, 12:33:07 PM
I'll definitely be looking to oppose the favourites in this one. Hopefully there'll be some juicy each-way prizes for a potential banzai coup. Also, just read this article which makes Boonen sound more indifferent than confident in my opinion:

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/boonen_quietly_confident_ahead_of_the_omloop_het_nieuwsblad/ (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/boonen_quietly_confident_ahead_of_the_omloop_het_nieuwsblad/)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 25, 2014, 12:35:55 PM
I'll definitely be looking to oppose the favourites in this one. Hopefully there'll be some juicy each-way prizes for a potential banzai coup. Also, just read this article which makes Boonen sound more indifferent than confident in my opinion:

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/boonen_quietly_confident_ahead_of_the_omloop_het_nieuwsblad/ (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/boonen_quietly_confident_ahead_of_the_omloop_het_nieuwsblad/)

Interesting, OPQS is packed with potential winners. Stybar & Terpstra may be?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on February 25, 2014, 01:38:44 PM
Don't think you're far wrong there, although Terpstra is actually my pick for the Paris-Roubaix. OPQS has a very strong team, and know this race inside-out. Of course, this means that they'll make up the majority of the favourites ... and therefore I'll be looking elsewhere for value. Don't want to say who I fancy before I've seen some prices, because actually there are plenty who have a chance, but I'll only be looking upwards of 20/1 for what is essentially a cobblestone lottery. Also, OPQS might have 6 riders who can win the race, but only one can do so, meaning there are still two other places on the podium up for grabs ... likely to be filled by riders from the other teams. The bookies are getting a lot better (ie. more risk averse) at pricing up these classics, so I always get excited looking at the odds for the first time and seeing if they've missed a trick. Have been rather disappointed lately. Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 26, 2014, 02:05:24 PM
World Track Championship tonight, BBC online or red button, for insomniacs, starts 23.50.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on February 26, 2014, 04:10:16 PM
Just read on bbc about the rain on the track, hope they sort it, wouldn't want it causing any crashes


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 27, 2014, 05:22:28 PM
Don't think you're far wrong there, although Terpstra is actually my pick for the Paris-Roubaix. OPQS has a very strong team, and know this race inside-out. Of course, this means that they'll make up the majority of the favourites ... and therefore I'll be looking elsewhere for value. Don't want to say who I fancy before I've seen some prices, because actually there are plenty who have a chance, but I'll only be looking upwards of 20/1 for what is essentially a cobblestone lottery. Also, OPQS might have 6 riders who can win the race, but only one can do so, meaning there are still two other places on the podium up for grabs ... likely to be filled by riders from the other teams. The bookies are getting a lot better (ie. more risk averse) at pricing up these classics, so I always get excited looking at the odds for the first time and seeing if they've missed a trick. Have been rather disappointed lately. Fingers crossed.

Skybet have priced it up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 27, 2014, 05:24:48 PM
pm sent cws


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on February 27, 2014, 05:57:51 PM
You have pm.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on February 27, 2014, 06:21:16 PM
Thanks for the heads up, Tonji. Unfortunately, joy quickly turned to sorrow when I saw the prices on offer. The compilers are getting very cagey when it comes to pricing up the cycling these days. No more 150/1 picks in the future, I fear.

For anyone looking for a spot of value, there is very little to be had. Heinrich Haussler @ 22/1 comes the closest for me. He has a sparkling record in the Omloop het Nieuwsblad (4th - 2012, 2nd - 2010) ... and in fact most of the Classics. He has a very experienced team-mate in Sylvain Chavanel, who is also a bit of a Classics specialist. His team, IAM Cycling, is motivated to win by the recent death of one of its riders (Kristof Goddaert) in training. All in all, a decent each-way bet.

But I don't think he will win. My pick would be one of Zdenek Stybar or Jurgen Roelandts, but at 10/1 and 15/2 respectively, they are far from value propositions. I might end up sticking a tenner on Roelandts, because he is in incredible form right now, and I would be surprised if he didn't podium. Shocked actually. Unfortunately, the cobbles of Belgium can end a rider's race quicker than you can say Ronde van Vlaanderen, so I won't be breaking the bank on this one. And Tom Boonen is a deserved favourite on paper (although favourites seldom win here).

Hopefully, Mr. Power will come along tomorrow and give me something to work with.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 27, 2014, 09:02:23 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/omloop-het-nieuwsblad/winner

more prices


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 12:32:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akkXJFf1jIk

women's team pursuit final.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 01:40:34 PM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 01:44:34 PM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.

Kristoff 100/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on February 28, 2014, 02:17:03 PM
Not anymore. 50/1 now. Did you take some Bennati too?  ;)

Nice spot. Unfortunately, I'm severely restricted with PP, so will have to try the shop across the road.

BTW, I've gone for Haussler e/w @ 40/1 in the Omloop ... and a banzai on Tom van Asbroeck (had to back a Belgian).


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Not anymore. 50/1 now. Did you take some Bennati too?  ;)

Nice spot. Unfortunately, I'm severely restricted with PP, so will have to try the shop across the road.

BTW, I've gone for Haussler e/w @ 40/1 in the Omloop ... and a banzai on Tom van Asbroeck (had to back a Belgian).

Only snatched a restricted £2.25 EW on Kristoff. He'll have a good year in the classics imo if he can stay injury free.

Omloop: Just sticking with Kristoff, thinking along the lines that Katusha will be using Paolini to drag Kristoff into the final selection. Terpstra, OPQS could have him as leader, but equally could be Stybar, depends how it plays out.

Demare for KBK on sunday?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on February 28, 2014, 02:51:08 PM
Not anymore. 50/1 now. Did you take some Bennati too?  ;)

Nice spot. Unfortunately, I'm severely restricted with PP, so will have to try the shop across the road.

BTW, I've gone for Haussler e/w @ 40/1 in the Omloop ... and a banzai on Tom van Asbroeck (had to back a Belgian).

Only snatched a restricted £2.25 EW on Kristoff. He'll have a good year in the classics imo if he can stay injury free.

Omloop: Just sticking with Kristoff, thinking along the lines that Katusha will be using Paolini to drag Kristoff into the final selection. Terpstra, OPQS could have him as leader, but equally could be Stybar, depends how it plays out.

Demare for KBK on sunday?

I wouldn't put you off backing Demare, but I just can't see past Greipel in a bunch sprint. However, Demare might be more suited to the cobbles, which can take a lot out of a sprinter's legs. Still Greipel for me though.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 06:10:53 PM
Not anymore. 50/1 now. Did you take some Bennati too?  ;)

Nice spot. Unfortunately, I'm severely restricted with PP, so will have to try the shop across the road.

BTW, I've gone for Haussler e/w @ 40/1 in the Omloop ... and a banzai on Tom van Asbroeck (had to back a Belgian).

Only snatched a restricted £2.25 EW on Kristoff. He'll have a good year in the classics imo if he can stay injury free.

Omloop: Just sticking with Kristoff, thinking along the lines that Katusha will be using Paolini to drag Kristoff into the final selection. Terpstra, OPQS could have him as leader, but equally could be Stybar, depends how it plays out.

Demare for KBK on sunday?

I wouldn't put you off backing Demare, but I just can't see past Greipel in a bunch sprint. However, Demare might be more suited to the cobbles, which can take a lot out of a sprinter's legs. Still Greipel for me though.

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/dmf20140228_058


Some sickness worries in Lotto-Belisol, Greipel not sure to start.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on February 28, 2014, 07:14:56 PM
Turns out there's a chap at our office who is both a maths geek and a cycling nut. I asked an open question about something today and, forty minutes later, my left ear was full of Team Sky's techniques and analytics and why Chris Froome will always beat Movistar in the TDF and my right ear was full of names of people to look out for in the years to come. I'd also been told about why various people couldn't have been on drugs and why many others definitely were. He probably answered the question I asked him about eighteen minutes in. I'm not sure.

Anyway, he mentioned that Wiggins will be looking to win in Belgium and that the cobbled streets should play into his hands. Can anyone help me out with that one, please? I presume he's not going this year?

He also explained that there's a young Brit (possibly Edmondson?) that he thinks will be the leader if Froome is injured (he reckons the early TDF stages for instance will be a minefield if the weather is bad) and that he shows more promise than Geraint Thomas , who is solid as a team player but not enough to mount a serious GC challenge. He reckons this lad is going to be something pretty good in the years to come and could be lined up as the deputy. Again, any views? If it isn't Edmondson but someone else you know he is on about, forgive me. It was a long conversation :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 07:21:01 PM
Hey Tal,

Yes Josh Edmundson, certainly has potential. But at only 21 & yet to ride a GT it's too early to say if he could be a GC rider.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Re: Wiggins. He's talked about riding Paris Roubaix, the ultimate cobbled classic, this season. But not sure it's a serious ambition, he's ridden three times with a best finish of 25th back in 2009. I'm not sure he has the fight in him still to compete with the toughest anymore, I'd be happy to be proved wrong though.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on February 28, 2014, 07:43:27 PM
Right ho. Thank you very much. That broadly accords with what he was saying. The point with Edmundsen is that Sky needs a British leader for brand purposes and Froome will be top dog for four or so years, so it is perfect for getting a young rider blooded behind him.

Re wiggins, he said I should watch his weight (no idea how you can find stuff like that out!) That would give a good indication of how serious he is about riding classics rather than being track or mixed. I note he isn't even priced for these classics.

Think I might press this fellow on some names for specific races. He talked a good game anyway. It is a relationship that could work. He likes talking about data and analytics. I like betting. What could possibly go wrong?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 08:36:48 PM
10 riders to watch in the 2014 Omloop Het Nieuwsblad and Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfp8Yv_G2yU


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 08:45:23 PM
Quote
Right ho. Thank you very much. That broadly accords with what he was saying. The point with Edmundsen is that Sky needs a British leader for brand purposes and Froome will be top dog for four or so years, so it is perfect for getting a young rider blooded behind him.

Peter Kennaugh (24) is ahead of Josh. He rode great in last years TdF & looks to have what it takes, although will need to start winning the likes of Tour of Poland to get his chances as GC contender.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on February 28, 2014, 08:49:06 PM
Quote
Right ho. Thank you very much. That broadly accords with what he was saying. The point with Edmundsen is that Sky needs a British leader for brand purposes and Froome will be top dog for four or so years, so it is perfect for getting a young rider blooded behind him.

Peter Kennaugh (24) is ahead of Josh. He rode great in last years TdF & looks to have what it takes, although will need to start winning the likes of Tour of Poland to get his chances as GC contender.

Sounds like I need to find out who he means - he mentioned a LOT of names! - he definitely mentioned him as well.

Genuinely would have brought a pen and paper if I realised he was going to be talking about wattages and Chris Frome's superior cadences...

I'll have to give him some chess banter to reciprocate.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 28, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
Quote
Right ho. Thank you very much. That broadly accords with what he was saying. The point with Edmundsen is that Sky needs a British leader for brand purposes and Froome will be top dog for four or so years, so it is perfect for getting a young rider blooded behind him.

Peter Kennaugh (24) is ahead of Josh. He rode great in last years TdF & looks to have what it takes, although will need to start winning the likes of Tour of Poland to get his chances as GC contender.

Sounds like I need to find out who he means - he mentioned a LOT of names! - he definitely mentioned him as well.

Genuinely would have brought a pen and paper if I realised he was going to be talking about wattages and Chris Frome's superior cadences...

I'll have to give him some chess banter to reciprocate.

Pro Cycling, an analogy often is quoted is it's like chess on wheels  ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on February 28, 2014, 08:56:11 PM
I basically get into cycling once a year (twice if there's an Olympics), but have had broadly followed the last Vuelta and Giro. Definitely a sport I can get into as an armchair fan. Can't be doing with anything below the elite stuff, though. Can't ride a bike either...!

Just need to get the number of hours in a day extended by 20% and I can get database building!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on February 28, 2014, 09:00:22 PM
Quote
Right ho. Thank you very much. That broadly accords with what he was saying. The point with Edmundsen is that Sky needs a British leader for brand purposes and Froome will be top dog for four or so years, so it is perfect for getting a young rider blooded behind him.

Peter Kennaugh (24) is ahead of Josh. He rode great in last years TdF & looks to have what it takes, although will need to start winning the likes of Tour of Poland to get his chances as GC contender.

Sounds like I need to find out who he means - he mentioned a LOT of names! - he definitely mentioned him as well.

Genuinely would have brought a pen and paper if I realised he was going to be talking about wattages and Chris Frome's superior cadences...

I'll have to give him some chess banter to reciprocate.

Pro Cycling, an analogy often is quoted is it's like chess on wheels  ;)


Lol

EVERYTHING is like chess.

Nadal v Djokovic walloping it from the baseline is like a chess match

McGrath teasing outside off stump v Tendulkar is a chess match

Phil Taylor thinks two levels ahead of Paul Nicholson and he's taking him on in a chess match.

Marco Antonio Barrera dancing round the ring with Marquez is a chess match.

A tactical frame of pool in my local league is like a chess match.

:D

Cycling? Why not!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 09:52:59 AM
Womens Individual Pursuit Final

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbWxgA61BJQ


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 10:39:09 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhocGaYIYAAbDIX.jpg:large)

Springtime in Belgium start of OHN


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/matchcenter/mc_wielrennen/Comp_voorjaar_2014/MF_Omloop_Het_Nieuwsblad_2014

live ticker

live coverage later on Sporza TV


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 01:35:39 PM
http://www.sportlemon.tv/20140301/vv53114df8dae058.99167155-759374.html

live coverage starting, in foreign!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 01:56:04 PM
approaching the Kruisberg....climbs & the first sort out.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 02:20:50 PM
With Thor crashed out, Taylor Phinney riding at the front with the freedom to attack


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 02:23:31 PM
some riders end in a ditch, ouch


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 02:25:17 PM
Taaienberg coming up, Boonen normally puts the hurt on here..


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 02:31:53 PM
Looks like a group of 10-12 have made a gap to the peloton, Stannard is in there, Vanmarke has been drilling it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 02:46:28 PM
11 rider chase group at including Boonen, Terpstra and Stybar. OPQS strong position, but BMC also looking stronger than usual.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
Only one hill to come: the Molenberg. Then it's 37 km to the finish & pave sections. 30 riders still with a chance.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:06:41 PM
Terpstra & Boom in front, groups dangling not far behind.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:09:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhpkp2sIYAARhNU.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
EBH & Demare in the mix


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
One minute for the lead trio of Terpstra, Boom and Boasson Hagen with 25km to go. Chase group looks too small to work...





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:27:00 PM
Boom punctures...not good for the lead group.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
EBH attacks and distances Terpstra. 19km to go. Terpstra catching back up. 20secs the gap to chasing group...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 03:56:38 PM
WOW

highlights video later if I can find one.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 01, 2014, 04:09:56 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKlaPjhWGM4

.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 03, 2014, 11:57:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhutRhHIQAAmWZM.jpg)

Taylor Phinney in the hospital after his crash in KBK, chainring to the ribs.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 03, 2014, 11:59:41 AM
Comming up Starde Bianche, Paris-Nice, & Tirreno-Adriatico.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 04, 2014, 06:42:50 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcjBUU-lgXc

#ohn


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 04, 2014, 09:44:46 PM
Cavendish's Classics campaign.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-im-very-happy-to-be-riding-in-milan-san-remo



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 06, 2014, 11:51:14 AM
Saturday sees the beautiful Strade Bianche

http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/StradeBianche/it/

(http://cyclitis.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/002-strade-bianche.jpg)

Strong line up: http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/StradeBianche/2011/it/download/SB-Iscritti2014.pdf

Favourites: Cancellara & Sagan.

2nd Favourites: Valverde, Evans & Ulissi.

In the mix for top 3: Paolini, Stannard, Iglinsky, Kwiatkowski, Löfkvist & Kreuziger.

Decent outside shots: Bennati, Zoidl, Aru, Kolobnev, Dumoulin, Barguil, Elmiger & Ponzi.

It finishes here

(http://www.cyclingfans.net/images/2011_montepaschi_strade_bianche_finish_line2a.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 06, 2014, 04:07:02 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lvgJCYY5S4

GCN riders to watch.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2014, 12:18:45 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/strade-bianche/winner

liking Kwiatkowski @ 20/1 EW.

Not looked yet, but Paris-Nice has some prices

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-nice/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 07, 2014, 12:56:06 AM
My money's on Kwiatkowski as well. 20/1 is a much better price than I was expecting.

But the real stand-out for me was Porte @ 11/1 for Paris-Nice. Amazing price that. Unfortunately 9/1 now that I've had my fill. Cheers for the heads-up Tonji.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2014, 09:49:17 AM
My money's on Kwiatkowski as well. 20/1 is a much better price than I was expecting.

But the real stand-out for me was Porte @ 11/1 for Paris-Nice. Amazing price that. Unfortunately 9/1 now that I've had my fill. Cheers for the heads-up Tonji.

Looking at P-N parcours, no ITT or summit finishes, that opens up plenty of surprises. Time bonuses become more valuable. Not sure where I'm going if anywhere on GC ante post yet.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2014, 12:07:36 PM
My money's on Kwiatkowski as well. 20/1 is a much better price than I was expecting.

But the real stand-out for me was Porte @ 11/1 for Paris-Nice. Amazing price that. Unfortunately 9/1 now that I've had my fill. Cheers for the heads-up Tonji.

Looking at P-N parcours, no ITT or summit finishes, that opens up plenty of surprises. Time bonuses become more valuable. Not sure where I'm going if anywhere on GC ante post yet.

Cant see it myself, but some shrewd French money for Cofidis rider Julien Simon, in from 100/1. Reports he is in top shape for this.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 07, 2014, 08:14:01 PM
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-out-of-tirreno-adriatico-with-sore-back

Porte now racing T-A & Thomas will be GC rider in P-N.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 08, 2014, 01:56:43 AM
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-out-of-tirreno-adriatico-with-sore-back

Porte now racing T-A & Thomas will be GC rider in P-N.

Cheers. Thanks for the good news.  ;frustrated; ;grr; ;technophobe; ;madasahatstand;

Shortest sweat in history. Be better off betting on Crufts.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on March 08, 2014, 02:01:40 AM
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-out-of-tirreno-adriatico-with-sore-back

Porte now racing T-A & Thomas will be GC rider in P-N.

Cheers. Thanks for the good news.  ;frustrated; ;grr; ;technophobe; ;madasahatstand;

Shortest sweat in history. Be better off betting on Crufts.

Candidates Chess tournament starts on Tuesday, too ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 08, 2014, 10:20:56 AM
Strade Bianche will be on Europort 2 @ 13.30.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 08, 2014, 02:11:35 PM
Kwiatkowski in the front group with OPQS looking strong, but Sagan still ominously present.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 08, 2014, 05:35:23 PM
Kwiatkowski in the front group with OPQS looking strong, but Sagan still ominously present.

Bink. Nice result there, Tonji. Two questions though:

1. Why didn't I put as much money on Kwiatkowski as I did on Porte?
2. What do I do with my Kwiatkowski/Porte double?

Seriously though. That was a pretty straightforward 20/1 shot that came in, which bodes well for the rest of the season. My main problem at the moment is that I try to get too clever with my reasoning, and sometimes think myself off of the podium. Do you know what I mean?

Hope you got the lot.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2014, 10:45:55 AM
Kwiatkowski in the front group with OPQS looking strong, but Sagan still ominously present.

Bink. Nice result there, Tonji. Two questions though:

1. Why didn't I put as much money on Kwiatkowski as I did on Porte?
2. What do I do with my Kwiatkowski/Porte double?

Seriously though. That was a pretty straightforward 20/1 shot that came in, which bodes well for the rest of the season. My main problem at the moment is that I try to get too clever with my reasoning, and sometimes think myself off of the podium. Do you know what I mean?

Hope you got the lot.

Nice little earner! Got to keep it small ball to keep the accounts alive.

Kwiatkowski is the real deal, nice to see someone dishing out the pain to Sagan.

Thats the problem with cycling betting, the more in depth you look, the more variables you uncover.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2014, 10:47:39 AM
P-N, any views on Betancour for GC, form seems decent, but have read he's still overweight & building to TDF?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
I'm looking at Romain Bardet. Thinking AG2R have this race penciled in & will go with the young Frenchmen. 20/1 EW available, not great, but small interest investment.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2014, 02:54:39 PM
I'm looking at Romain Bardet. Thinking AG2R have this race penciled in & will go with the young Frenchmen. 20/1 EW available, not great, but small interest investment.

hmmm, AG2R don't exactly instill confidence, Bardet & Betancur crash, & now have to chase back to peloton with 20km to go.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2014, 03:14:19 PM
I'm looking at Romain Bardet. Thinking AG2R have this race penciled in & will go with the young Frenchmen. 20/1 EW available, not great, but small interest investment.

hmmm, AG2R don't exactly instill confidence, Bardet & Betancur crash, & now have to chase back to peloton with 20km to go.

any hopes for GC dashed, look like he finished over a minute back  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 11, 2014, 08:04:08 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tirreno-adriatico/winner

was hoping bookies would have Kwiatowski priced to give me a sweat, no such luck.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 12, 2014, 12:11:19 AM
Now then...... this is interesting, definitely my sport, I will check back here regularly and will be having a few bet throughout the season.

FWIW - Difficult to see past Richie Porte for Tirreno-Adriatico, OK he was preparing for Paris-Nice and not this race but he will definitely have the form and the team behind him, this is the team sent there to work for Chris Froome!  Kwiatowski is an interesting contender and definitely has the form but think he may be hamstrung by split loyalties in the team.  Uran is a big new signing for Omega Pharma and this is his first proper opportunity to lead a Pro-Tour stage race so can't see it going down well if Kwiatowski assumes a leaders role.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 12, 2014, 12:18:37 AM
Will also be interesting to see how Contador goes in this, he's making all the right noises that it's an important race for him and he wants to win it, but I suspect it might be too early in the season for him with bigger targets to come later in the year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 12, 2014, 12:37:21 AM
Paris-Nice will be interesting this year, the parcours is not massively demanding so won't favour pure climbers and there isn't a single kilometre of time-trialling to be had.  when you look at the team line ups, you can't help but think a lot of them are there preparing for other things.

I think Rui Costa will be keen to put up a good showing in the rainbow jersey and have a feeling that being world champion might really elevate his performances this year.  Nibali will certainly give it a good go but the rout doesn't rally favour him massively.  As an outside bet, I'd quite fancy Tom Jelte Slagter (Ned) Garmin Sharp, to have a good ride, can't see him winning it but he has a chance of a decent finish.  At the moment Bet Victor have him at 40/1 which might be worth an E/W punt before tomorrows stage?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 12, 2014, 08:25:06 AM
Paris-Nice will be interesting this year, the parcours is not massively demanding so won't favour pure climbers and there isn't a single kilometre of time-trialling to be had.  when you look at the team line ups, you can't help but think a lot of them are there preparing for other things.

I think Rui Costa will be keen to put up a good showing in the rainbow jersey and have a feeling that being world champion might really elevate his performances this year.  Nibali will certainly give it a good go but the rout doesn't rally favour him massively.  As an outside bet, I'd quite fancy Tom Jelte Slagter (Ned) Garmin Sharp, to have a good ride, can't see him winning it but he has a chance of a decent finish.  At the moment Bet Victor have him at 40/1 which might be worth an E/W punt before tomorrows stage?

Hello Slykllist. Good to have you on board. The more people we have sharing their views on the cycling, the better, as there are usually way too many angles for one person to cover.

As regards the Paris-Nice, I haven't really had a lot to say, because I've had a bit of a mare so far. I backed Richie Porte to the hilt ... but he pulled out to race Tirreno-Adriatico in place of Froome. So then I backed Tejay van Garderen ... but he pulled out on day 1 feeling a little sick. Unfortunately, no NRNB rules in cycling.

The main thing to pull from all of this is that I'm not convinced by the favourites in this market. Costa isn't typically an attacking cyclist. Betancur isn't in top shape (otherwise this would be his race). Nibali is focused on the Tour de France, and P-N might have come too early for him. However, one must remember that Nibali is an awesome descender, and this (as well as his strong team) will give him a big advantage on this year's parcours. He is thus my pick of the favourites ... cue him crashing into a bus.

I have big plans for Slagter this year, and am a big fan. 40/1 is not a bad price for an attacking rider with the right tools to provide an upset. A punchy rider, I'm still not convinced by his long-hill climbing abilities, so have left him for now. Although I have gone for a similar rider in Simon Spilak @ 33/1 who has good prior in the Paris-Nice, likes the Col d'Eze (which could prove pivotal), and can stick with Nibali and Costa on the steeps. More a watching brief on P-N than a money-spinner this year. Still plenty of races to come. Enjoy watching, and I hope Slagter pulls it off for you.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
Welcome Sly.

Plenty of cycling this week, P-N & T-A. Not enough hours in the day.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on March 12, 2014, 09:11:56 AM


Good to see Slykllist in the thread.

Smashing lad, who seems to have escaped from Next door. He'll be a credit to the thread, & blonde.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
The opening TTT stage at Tirreno-Adriatico looks straight forward for OPQS today, particularly with the advantage of a late start. OGE should be close. Movistar could cause the upset, with strong TT riders in Amador, Castroviejo, Dowsett, Intxausti & Malori.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2014, 09:57:44 AM
no views yet, but stage 4 at Paris-Nice has oportunities, no clear concensus

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-nice/paris-nice-2014-stage-4/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2014, 10:06:02 AM
no views yet, but stage 4 at Paris-Nice has oportunities, no clear concensus

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-nice/paris-nice-2014-stage-4/winner

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2014-02/Paris-Nice-Stage-4-1391510545.jpg)

the final climb before a 14km run in. Doubt any sprinters can get over with the lead group.

Looks like quick fingers on betty needed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
P-N stage 4:

Some names that could well be in the frame, other than GC contenders. Rojas, Julien Simon & young GB rider Simon Yates riding for OGE.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 12, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
Thanks for the welcome guys and Tikay, smashing 'lad' I'll take that as. I just turned 39 this year :) That said it's all relative I guess.

Be very interesting to see how Simon Yates fares today, I think Sky missed a trick not snapping him up after the ToB last year and agree he could do a ride today.  After watching yesterday's finish, if Rojas gets per the climb I don't see anyone beating him.  If he doesn't and they come to the line in a small group - Matt Harley Goss, also expect Albasini and Voekler to be on the attack and don't be surprised to see one of them win it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2014, 08:50:37 PM
T-A Stage 2:

Sprint stage, with all the big boys present. Kittel, Greipel & Cavendish. Not a lot between them, probably comes down to who's sprint train is working best. I'd have em in that order I think on current form. Also won't be surprised if Sacha Modolo makes top 3.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 12, 2014, 09:00:58 PM
P-N Stage 5:

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/PNC/2014/500/PROFIL.png)

Degenkolb looked strong getting over the final climb today. No reason why he can't win stage 5 & go back in yellow.

Great job by Geraint Thomas to get yellow. Crucial stages look to be 6 & 7 when the real battles will take place.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 12, 2014, 10:15:32 PM
Why did I not take my own advice and have a punt on Slagter at 40/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 12, 2014, 10:16:20 PM
I fancy Rojas for the stage tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 13, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
Dangerous break in P-N, after 42.5km gap is 2.50 for Sylvain Chavanel, Bakelants, Buche, G Izaguirre & B Feillu


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 14, 2014, 10:11:09 AM
Liking Kelderman & Rafal Majka for today in Paris-Nice.

Modolo looks a decent outside bet in T-A.

Right of to Italy for my brothers debut in the 24H Series at Mugello.

Back next week.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 17, 2014, 04:21:06 PM
My bet went on Contador at 7/1 for the TdF overall as he was riding away from everybody yesterday in the Tirreno Adriatico.  Today he's been trimmed to 3/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 17, 2014, 04:32:34 PM
Time to start thinking about Milan-Sam Remo, one of my favourite races of the year, you know the season is really getting going when the Classics start :)

What are your thoughts for this one?  I think it's going to be really open this year, most likely to be won by a sprint from a small group once they've come over the Poggio, wouldn't be at all surprised to see Sagan finally bag a Classic although he seems to be half a beat off his very best at the moment.  I'm a big fan of Rojas so always a little biased towards him, but he was climbing very well in P-N and very unlucky not to win a stage, his form is obviously good and he has a chance of being in touch after the Poggio so I reckon he's a good bet and currently being offered at 100/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 17, 2014, 04:49:23 PM
My bet went on Contador at 7/1 for the TdF overall as he was riding away from everybody yesterday in the Tirreno Adriatico.  Today he's been trimmed to 3/1

 ;bigadz;

Good thinking though. In that sort of form, Contador might be a handful for Froome and his Sky posse. Wish I'd thought of it before the end of the race. :respect:


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 17, 2014, 04:59:23 PM
Time to start thinking about Milan-Sam Remo, one of my favourite races of the year, you know the season is really getting going when the Classics start :)

What are your thoughts for this one?  I think it's going to be really open this year, most likely to be won by a sprint from a small group once they've come over the Poggio, wouldn't be at all surprised to see Sagan finally bag a Classic although he seems to be half a beat off his very best at the moment.  I'm a big fan of Rojas so always a little biased towards him, but he was climbing very well in P-N and very unlucky not to win a stage, his form is obviously good and he has a chance of being in touch after the Poggio so I reckon he's a good bet and currently being offered at 100/1.

I'm afraid I don't have anything to add to this conversation, as I don't really go in for the sprint Classics. That being said, I am also a big fan of JJ (and backed him to win the Tour Down Under), and at 100/1, in the form he is in, he is definitely worth backing e/w. I notice that Skyebett are offering 4 places, so that is the route I would go down.

I would have to look at the course modifications for the 2014 edition to come up with anything else. For example, apparently one of the important climbs has been taken out (which is why Cavendish is riding this year). Also, how far is the Poggio from the finish line, and will it have the ability to split the field? PM sent.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 17, 2014, 05:20:53 PM
It really all depends how hard they go up the Cipressa as to whether and of the big sprinters can hold on up the Poggio, if you've never watched it you really should, the last 20km's are always really exciting.

Here's the run in:

(http://www.milansanremo.co.uk/2014/2014_MSR_Finale.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 20, 2014, 11:46:50 AM
Bit of fantasy cycling fun if you fancy it, my team is already entered, happy to set up a mini league if enough interest.

http://www.velogames.com/spring-classics/2014/index.php (http://www.velogames.com/spring-classics/2014/index.php)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2014, 09:59:47 AM
First monument of the season.

I'm old enough to remember

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/CORVOS_00003387-094.jpg)

Francesco Moser winning in the 1984.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2014, 10:01:47 AM
http://youtu.be/hD5Ej0nFyTo

Brilliant archive footage of 1922 MSR


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2014, 10:11:49 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/milan-san-remo/winner

Already on Kristoff @ 100/1, but need to catch up day on the latest news & form...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2014, 02:35:58 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/milan-san-remo/winner

Already on Kristoff @ 100/1, but need to catch up day on the latest news & form...

A few thoughts on where I'm going on MSR.

I can't see many scenarios where Sagan will not be involved at the final, likely to be on the Poggio. No matter which way the race evolves, small group or 20-30 riders, he'll be there. Only two sprinters he fears after nearly 300 km of racing are Cavendish & Griepel. Both have looked away off their best in the past few weeks & Cannondale & teams like Trek will be drilling it to rid the sprinters.

The past two years he really should/could have won. If I remember correctly he started last years race at 2/1. With the 3/1 generally available looking a tad of value to me.

A couple of outsider covering bets...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 22, 2014, 04:10:58 PM
I've been impressed with Roman Kreuziger this season. He's showing the sort of form that won him the Amstel Gold race in 2013. Cancellara will be heavily marked, Kreuziger, however could have opportunities to attack & power away whilst the favourites hesitate. 125/1 EW.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2014, 11:07:00 AM
Time to start thinking about Milan-Sam Remo, one of my favourite races of the year, you know the season is really getting going when the Classics start :)

What are your thoughts for this one?  I think it's going to be really open this year, most likely to be won by a sprint from a small group once they've come over the Poggio, wouldn't be at all surprised to see Sagan finally bag a Classic although he seems to be half a beat off his very best at the moment.  I'm a big fan of Rojas so always a little biased towards him, but he was climbing very well in P-N and very unlucky not to win a stage, his form is obviously good and he has a chance of being in touch after the Poggio so I reckon he's a good bet and currently being offered at 100/1.

I'm afraid I don't have anything to add to this conversation, as I don't really go in for the sprint Classics. That being said, I am also a big fan of JJ (and backed him to win the Tour Down Under), and at 100/1, in the form he is in, he is definitely worth backing e/w. I notice that Skyebett are offering 4 places, so that is the route I would go down.

I would have to look at the course modifications for the 2014 edition to come up with anything else. For example, apparently one of the important climbs has been taken out (which is why Cavendish is riding this year). Also, how far is the Poggio from the finish line, and will it have the ability to split the field? PM sent.

bad news for your man Sly I'm afraid, JJ crashed in the neutral zone and is out of the race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2014, 01:04:48 PM
Wet, cold & a hail storm so far, but looks warmer in Sanremo. On Eurosport from 1.30.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 23, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
I really should be a pro tipster, crashed in the neutralised zone and didn't even make it to the start, lol.

With this weather I think it will so to a strong man rather than a sprinter, lookin good for Sagan but I hope it's Spartacus.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Kwiatkowski and Renshaw out in support for Cav, but he's hanging tough in front of the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2014, 04:20:18 PM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.

Kristoff 100/1.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 23, 2014, 05:36:56 PM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.

Kristoff 100/1.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh  :)

Lovely scoop there, Tonji. Hope a few others got on. Every now and then, you remind me who the real boss of this thread is.  ;tightend;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2014, 07:01:15 PM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.

Kristoff 100/1.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh  :)

Lovely scoop there, Tonji. Hope a few others got on. Every now and then, you remind me who the real boss of this thread is.  ;tightend;

thanks CWS, right place, right time.

Volta a Catalunya next. Awesome lineup of GT riders. Any thoughts?



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on March 23, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.

Kristoff 100/1.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh  :)

Nice work sir, you're lucky Rojas can't stay upright ;)

Mixed day for me really, Rojas fell off, Cancellara (my absolute favourite rider) just missed out again, but...............

My ex club mate Ben Swift who I've known since he was 14............... 3rd in Milan San Remo, woooooooohooooooo!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 23, 2014, 10:38:15 PM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.

Kristoff 100/1.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh  :)

Nice work sir, you're lucky Rojas can't stay upright ;)

Mixed day for me really, Rojas fell off, Cancellara (my absolute favourite rider) just missed out again, but...............

My ex club mate Ben Swift who I've known since he was 14............... 3rd in Milan San Remo, woooooooohooooooo!

Love to hear some tales of your cycling Sly, sounds like you were/are heavily involved in racing?

Hugely impressed with Swift, looked one of the strongest with 25 km to go. Big step up for him & no doubt will make contract talks easier.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 24, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
News emerging that the parcours for Milan-Sanremo has been confirmed with no Pompeiana climb. Advantage shifts to sprinters.

Kristoff 100/1.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh  :)

Lovely scoop there, Tonji. Hope a few others got on. Every now and then, you remind me who the real boss of this thread is.  ;tightend;

thanks CWS, right place, right time.

Volta a Catalunya next. Awesome lineup of GT riders. Any thoughts?



I've spent two hours poring over previews, results, bios and prices ... and I've reached the conclusion that I'd have more chance winning the pools than making money in this race. Contador would seem to be a decent favourite, but not so much that 3/1 represents anything like value. I'm looking at outsiders like Navarro, Aru and Atapuma ... but none of them make a strong enough case to finish inside the top 3. The only nugget I dug up is that Quintana is on antibiotics, so maybe if things don't go so well for him, Javier Moreno will have a shot at the last stage for Movistar.

I've had a banzai on Kelderman to win today, though. He's been sprinting well, and if Sky or Tinkoff-Saxo manage to split the peloton, he should be able to stay with them and have a chance on the line. I'm anti-railing the pure sprinters in Stage 1. Wish me luck.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 24, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
Good luck CWS.

Think I need to spend this week doing my real job.

May have a look at Dwars door Vlaanderen for Wednesday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 24, 2014, 05:40:26 PM
Good luck CWS.

Think I need to spend this week doing my real job.

May have a look at Dwars door Vlaanderen for Wednesday.

Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. It's been one of those weeks months.

Mikael Cherel (AG2R La Mondiale) was the next to escape the peloton and the Frenchman was joined by compatriot Romain Hardy (Cofidis, Solutions Credits) and Wilco Kelderman (Belkin) on the descent.

The break's lead grew to 20 seconds, but disaster struck at a roundabout with approximately 10km remaining as both Cherel and Hardy took a wrong turn and rode off the course. As the parcours turned onto the wide open coastal highway Kelderman was now left alone in the lead and the Dutchman's escape came to naught inside the final five kilometres.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 24, 2014, 05:58:23 PM
Good luck CWS.

Think I need to spend this week doing my real job.

May have a look at Dwars door Vlaanderen for Wednesday.

Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. It's been one of those weeks months.

Mikael Cherel (AG2R La Mondiale) was the next to escape the peloton and the Frenchman was joined by compatriot Romain Hardy (Cofidis, Solutions Credits) and Wilco Kelderman (Belkin) on the descent.

The break's lead grew to 20 seconds, but disaster struck at a roundabout with approximately 10km remaining as both Cherel and Hardy took a wrong turn and rode off the course. As the parcours turned onto the wide open coastal highway Kelderman was now left alone in the lead and the Dutchman's escape came to naught inside the final five kilometres.


had one eye on the TV in the office & wasn't sure it was Wilco in the break. Unlucky. Keep plugging way.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 24, 2014, 06:42:00 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCn2s6hVKm0

.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 24, 2014, 09:55:15 PM
Good luck CWS.

Think I need to spend this week doing my real job.

May have a look at Dwars door Vlaanderen for Wednesday.

Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. It's been one of those weeks months.

Mikael Cherel (AG2R La Mondiale) was the next to escape the peloton and the Frenchman was joined by compatriot Romain Hardy (Cofidis, Solutions Credits) and Wilco Kelderman (Belkin) on the descent.

The break's lead grew to 20 seconds, but disaster struck at a roundabout with approximately 10km remaining as both Cherel and Hardy took a wrong turn and rode off the course. As the parcours turned onto the wide open coastal highway Kelderman was now left alone in the lead and the Dutchman's escape came to naught inside the final five kilometres.


Was liking Wilco for stage 2. But missed 66/1 with BMU, now 33/1. Also missed Alaphilippe @ 33/1 now 10/1. boooooo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 25, 2014, 09:36:58 PM
Dwars door Vlaanderen.

Boonen favourite, although it's considered he's fine tuning for E3 Harelbeke & later classics.

Valverede is in for cobbles training ahead of the TDF.

Generally a race for the second tier of riders to take their chances.

Two catch my eye.

Movistar's Fran Ventoso. In excellent shape all season, should be given the chance. Took 40/1 with skyB, although 50/1 is available with PP.

Jens Keukeleire, the Belgian riding for OGE. Confirmed target for this race. 7th & 10th in the past two years. 40/1 available in a couple of spots.

Both will need to make the final selection break & come to the line without Belkin's Hofland, the best sprinter in the field.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 27, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
Chris-Juul Jensen on stomach bugs, feasts and urinating on his hands for warmth. Ice Cold in Sanremo. Good read. http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/ice-cold-sanremo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 27, 2014, 09:04:30 PM
E3 Harelbeke.

I'm expecting Cancellara to be in the mood to inflict a world of hurt for everyone after MSR.

Won't be surprised to see strong rides by Roelandts, Stybar & Degenkolb.

Outsider, Turgot.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 30, 2014, 11:13:43 AM
Gent-Wevelgem today.

Sagan again? probably.

Only a small EW bet for me. Borut Bozic @ 33/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 30, 2014, 01:19:04 PM
Looking a head a couple of weeks to Paris-Roubaix on the 13th April.

Cancellara pretty much owns this race & at 9/4 looks about right.

Who's going to go close & take him on. Top of my list is Sep Vanmarcke. 2nd last year, this season is all about the cobbles & P-R. His form on the cobbles so far is better than anyone. 4th Omloop, 3rd KBK, & 5th E3 Harelbeke. At this moment I'd have him as 2nd favourite at around 6s or 7s. 10/1 in a few spots looks value to me & can only shorten.

OPQS certainly will have the strength in depth, but with Boonen not quite firing & a few niggling injuries. Who will step up? Terpstra, Stybar or Vandenbergh?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 30, 2014, 01:34:58 PM
Will also be monitoring Taylor Phinney, had a few problems in recent weeks, but can still come good for P-R.

Today at G-W, looks to have found some good legs  :)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj-Id_wCAAAQPVa.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 31, 2014, 09:39:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jAe6mXJF7M

Gent-Wevelgem


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 01, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
I think we'll know an awful lot more about who can bring the challenge to Cancellara at P-R after this weekend.  I've been very impressed with Stybar this season so far and expect to see him do a ride, completely agree with you about Sep Vanmarke, he'll definitely be in the mix, also don't rule out Geraint Thomas, he's had some bad luck so far this year but his underlying form is good.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 01, 2014, 03:03:59 PM
Also a couple places offering 22/1 for a top 3 finish for Sebastian Turgot, as an outside bet, it's not a bad one given his recent performances in this race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 01, 2014, 06:38:20 PM
Was reading an interview with Matti Breschel recently, he's still coming back from injury but felt he might be close to full fitness for Paris Roubaix, if he is he's got a chance of a podium at a good price of 21/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 02, 2014, 11:13:19 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkNLQ5qCQAAfTcE.jpg)

Wiggins riding Flanders. I think rain is forecast, eeekkkk!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 03, 2014, 10:26:49 AM
Luke Rowe really needs to lose that moustache!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
100 years the Tour of Flanders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlZyNbbzoM0


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2014, 04:26:43 PM
Johan Museeuw on Flanders

http://caferoubaix.com/2014/04/02/johan-museeuw-there-are-many-favourites-for-the-tour-of-flanders/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2014, 08:35:27 PM
excited!

(http://rouleur.cc/sites/default/files/styles/journal_people_slider_1055_x_707/public/roubaixnew.jpg?itok=CEWVQjF8)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2014, 08:57:20 PM
http://youtu.be/98NvGZmATvs

Top 10 Riders To Watch At The Tour Of Flanders


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 04, 2014, 12:25:27 AM
Gonna back an Omega Quickstep rider for Flanders, split between Terpstra and Stybar.  Have a feeling this year will be Stybar's big breakthrough so think I'll go for a few quid on him.

Watching that video, amazed that Vanmarke is only 25, I've been following his progress for what seems like ages and he's already better than most could ever hope to be, if not this year, he will definitely win a major race soon


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 05, 2014, 10:57:25 AM
(http://www.steephill.tv/2014/tour-of-flanders/photos/page-01/111337_PIC449633473.jpg)

Luca Paolini on the Koppenberg yesterday.

(http://www.steephill.tv/2014/tour-of-flanders/photos/page-01/122829_PIC449666247.jpg)

The Koppenberg from a distance.

 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 05, 2014, 03:23:11 PM
http://youtu.be/6o2EEBWuMCE

Fabian Cancellara.

Watching the Spartacus interview I'm inclined to think he's on for the Flanders Roubaix double (again). Only bad luck stand in his way, or OPQS can tactically out fox him.

Over half the bets on betfair are on him, but at less than 2/1 not for me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 05, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/1282b61de0dbc5a154649b79d6901a77/tumblr_n3f2nbhcnm1swtjjuo1_400.gif)

I think we'll see an aggresive Terpstra tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2014, 10:05:27 AM
Flanders underway. A good chance of rain by the sound of it.

Magnus Backstedt in the box.

http://bambuser.com/v/4510348

Live on Sky Sports 4 & Eurosport from 11.30 am.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2014, 10:14:50 AM
(http://www.pelotonwatch.com/images/profiles/2014/2014_ronde_van_vlaanderen_profile.png)

The 98th Ronde van Vlaanderen.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Geraint Thomas & Vanmarcke have already hit the deck today. Vansummeren & Elmiger out due to heavy crashes.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Oh my, some nasty crashes despite conditions holding up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2014, 02:38:51 PM
I can't remember so many horrible crashes, just down to so many riders fighting for position.

The Vansummern crash is mental. The poor woman spectator is critical in hospital.

http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/1001/Wielrennen/article/detail/1843565/2014/04/06/Vansummeren-geeft-op-na-harde-botsing-slachtoffer-is-er-erg-aan-toe.dhtml



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2014, 03:07:50 PM
All the big names look to be present. None have shown their hand yet....


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Awesome Cancellara, a tactically perfect race from him. Legend.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 07, 2014, 10:33:11 AM
What a brilliant race, Cancellara just sublime, Flanders & Paris-Roubaix double looking very possible.

Roubaix has a lot to live up to if it's gonna be a better race than Flanders!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 07, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
Only caught the laste stages, did anyone see what happened to Matti Breschel?  Was he caught up in one of the crashes or did he just not have the legs?  I know a lot of the Tinkoff team were caught in crashes.

EDIT

Just seen this on Team website:

Of course, I’m really impressed by Nicki who stepped up in a big way after both Benna and Matti crashed out of the race. The rest of the guys did a good job until the finale and Nicki constantly fell in and out of the group of favorites and showed a lot of heart out there knowing that he was the last man standing on the team. AS far as we know, they (Bennati&Breschel) haven’t suffered any fractures



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 07, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
Only caught the laste stages, did anyone see what happened to Matti Breschel?  Was he caught up in one of the crashes or did he just not have the legs?  I know a lot of the Tinkoff team were caught in crashes.

EDIT

Just seen this on Team website:

Of course, I’m really impressed by Nicki who stepped up in a big way after both Benna and Matti crashed out of the race. The rest of the guys did a good job until the finale and Nicki constantly fell in and out of the group of favorites and showed a lot of heart out there knowing that he was the last man standing on the team. AS far as we know, they (Bennati&Breschel) haven’t suffered any fractures



Tinkoff-Saxo had dreadful luck.

(http://media.vrtnieuws.net/2014/04/153459859ONL1404066129124_urlThumbnailDir_tmb/0009.jpg)


Stijn Devolder crashed three times, yet kept on battling to the finish. One of the rides of the day.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 07, 2014, 12:12:54 PM
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/04/the-tour-of-flanders-in-photos/

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CORVOS_00023022-185.jpg)

The two strongest riders of the race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 07, 2014, 06:38:57 PM
How The Race Was Won - Tour of Flanders 2014.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUYfFG87Ew


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 07, 2014, 06:44:29 PM
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9254206,00.html

Richie Porte is out of the Giro and will focus on the Tour. Wiggins is set to lead Sky at Paris-Roubaix.

Who will lead Sky at the Giro?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BorntoBubble on April 07, 2014, 07:51:43 PM
(http://www.steephill.tv/2014/tour-of-flanders/photos/page-01/111337_PIC449633473.jpg)

Luca Paolini on the Koppenberg yesterday.

(http://www.steephill.tv/2014/tour-of-flanders/photos/page-01/122829_PIC449666247.jpg)

The Koppenberg from a distance.

 

How did the bikers get past the cars?!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 08, 2014, 10:32:22 AM
Scheldeprijs is tomorrow, the oldest of the Flanders Classics, in its 102nd edition.

http://www.scheldeprijs.be/en

Generally a sprinter is likely for the win. Kittel, Boonen & Demare as favourites. Many of the riders will be spinning up the legs ahead of Paris-Roubaix.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 08, 2014, 10:44:06 AM
http://youtu.be/Z4kx_mEdIAg

Paris-Roubaix 2014 Official Trailer.

50% chance of rain for Sunday could see this

(http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2001/apr01/parisroubaix/FSludovainsteins.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
http://youtu.be/2NHaa4YYf9g

Wonderful archive footage from Roubaix.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2014, 02:18:07 PM
Cobbled Classics legends Boonen & Cancellara both took four attempts before they won their first Roubaix. Vanmarcke rides his fourth on Sunday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2014, 02:25:55 PM
http://www.teamsky.com/video/0,27287,30511,00.html

Wiggins talks about Roubaix & TdF.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
Cobbled Classics legends Boonen & Cancellara both took four attempts before they won their first Roubaix. Vanmarcke rides his fourth on Sunday.

Kristoff also rides his fourth.

However, Boonen & Cancellara have won 7 of past 10 Roubaixs.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 11, 2014, 11:19:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VenQuutTgQs

Top 10 riders to watch in Paris-Roubaix


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 11, 2014, 08:58:12 PM
Some latest reports on Paris-Roubaix:

Wiggins. "It's not just pie in the sky. I can do well." Although EBH will be Sky's leader.

Boonen. "Roubaix is the last authentic race. It hasn't changed at all." "When I feel the cobblestones under my wheels, I usually go fast." A win will be his 5th & a record.

Fabian Cancellara loses a key teammate, as Stijn Devolder pulls out due to injury.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2014, 10:08:10 AM
Wiggins on Classics specialists "they come through all the risks, they take the risks, they put themselves on the line and I think that’s what Sunday’s about – forget everything else and just be willing to end up in hospital at the end of the night."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2014, 10:25:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZddxDfVt8

Road to Roubaix. One of the great cycling films.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2014, 12:12:37 PM
One of the great quotes on Roubaix.

Theo de Rooij: "It's a shitty race! We ride like animals, we don't even have the time to take a piss so we piss in our shorts – it's a pile of shit." But "Of course, it's the most beautiful race in the world."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2014, 12:18:50 PM
The winner receives

(http://www.lobservateurdudouaisis.fr/uploads/photo/8718.JPG)

The most prized trophy in cycling.

And 30,000 euros.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
Some iconic images post race

(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/98/9b/2c989b04c79af8cd741af7b7af000c49.jpg)

Greg Le Mond.

(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/b8/84/bdb884ce62a25644dbb1179bf60157a4.jpg)

Wiggins.

(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a5/cb/e3/a5cbe33f1f4f3e806e766ceece44dffc.jpg)

Cancellara.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2014, 02:14:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg8LZ57yEmQ

OPQS Paris-Roubaix Recon. Strongest team in the race. Will need to ride a tactically perfect race to get the win, but to miss out on a podium spot will be a disaster.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BigAdz on April 12, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
Some iconic images post race

(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/98/9b/2c989b04c79af8cd741af7b7af000c49.jpg)

Greg Le Mond.

(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/b8/84/bdb884ce62a25644dbb1179bf60157a4.jpg)

Wiggins.

(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a5/cb/e3/a5cbe33f1f4f3e806e766ceece44dffc.jpg)

Cancellara.




Think Wiggins had his feet strectched during the race.

Camera never lies?!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
Anyone think Contador should be joint favourite for TdF after today's performance in Tour of the Basque Country?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2014, 09:47:26 AM
Underway

http://www.letour.fr/paris-roubaix/2014/us/live/aso/

Live on Eurosport at 12.15.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 13, 2014, 09:54:38 AM
Anyone think Contador should be joint favourite for TdF after today's performance in Tour of the Basque Country?

He was already my favourite for the TdF before today, put my money in him during his winning move in Tirreon Adriatico


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 13, 2014, 10:09:08 AM
Can't wait for the race today, one of the highlights of the cycling season, after such a great race in Flanders last week I have a feeling this one is going to be a classic Roubaix.  Hoping to see Spartacus come into the velodrome alone to win it again but have a feeling it might be Vanmarke's time this year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2014, 10:18:30 AM
Can't wait for the race today, one of the highlights of the cycling season, after such a great race in Flanders last week I have a feeling this one is going to be a classic Roubaix.  Hoping to see Spartacus come into the velodrome alone to win it again but have a feeling it might be Vanmarke's time this year.

Always plenty of drama, love it.

No doubt Spartacus will be there baring accident. Hoping Phinney can make the final selection.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2014, 11:56:01 AM
FDJ have a rider in the break. Marc Madiot has been planning with his boys to get Demare in the final selection, early days but he's got to be happy so far.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2014, 01:26:40 PM
(http://www.cyclesportmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Museeuw-crash.jpg)

Arenberg coming up...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2014, 01:49:37 PM
Crash in the front, Cancellara down but seems ok...

OPQS could attack!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
Crash in the front, Cancellara down but seems ok...

OPQS could attack!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlGiCQ_IcAEb9cT.jpg)

opps!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
oh my never expected Wiggins to be involved in the later stages, really strong.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 14, 2014, 10:50:09 AM
(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CORVOS_00023062-056.jpg)

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/04/the-2014-paris-roubaix-in-photos/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 15, 2014, 10:29:58 AM
The OGE Backstage Pass is a good view of Roubaix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usUl0Jy9eY8

Onward to the Ardennes.  De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow, a build up for the Amstel Gold Race on Sunday.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on April 23, 2014, 11:22:51 PM
Nice win for Valverde today, excellent finish from him

Not too sure whats going on with sky, looked out of sorts again today


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on April 23, 2014, 11:23:55 PM
Nice win for Valverde today, excellent finish from him

Not too sure whats going on with sky, looked out of sorts again today

Six riders in both their teams at the moment. Eight in everyone else's. What's going on?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Rubbish2407 on May 09, 2014, 06:18:30 PM
Hi Guys,

Any thoughts on the Giro Italia? Just watching the team time trial now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 10, 2014, 02:37:34 AM
I've got a few thoughts on this year's Giro...

Firstly, stay away from the outright GC market. Nairo Quintana is likely to win the overall, and at odds-on holds no value whatsoever (especially when you consider that one crash could end it all, a la Daniel Martin in today's time-trial). All the other contenders for the GC are priced in, with Cadel Evans (8/1 @ Spoilsports) being the most attractive. When you consider that he is effectively riding for 2nd place, however, 2/1 at quarter-odds is a far less attractive investment.

I've had a little wager on a few rank outsiders: Daniel Martin @ 150/1 (went off @ 30/1)  ;madasahatstand;, Wout Poels, Julian Arredondo and Thomas de Gendt. But these are all banzais which are very unlikely to make a return.

Secondly, there might be a smidgen of value in the team classification market. Astana and Movistar have the two strongest squads in the Giro, and are therefore joint favourites. The thing is, with Movistar riding for Quintana, they would be more than willing to sacrifice their ambitions as a team if things got tight at the top, with some domestiques saving their legs at key moments in the race. Also, without Iglinskiy in their squad (due to passport issues), Astana are missing a vital component in respect of their ability to deliver on mountain stages and in time-trials. As a result, I've gone with some value in the form of BMC Racing Team (best 33/1) and Omega Pharma Quick-Step (best 66/1). BMC have 3 top climbers in Evans, Sanchez and Hermans, and a first-rate TT squad. OPQS have Uran, De Gendt, Poels and Serry in the mountains (and again a strong TT squad). In case you didn't know, the top 3 riders from each team have their times added together for each stage, with the biggest time discrepancies coming in the mountain and TT stages.

Thirdly, I've been rather interested by the prices on offer in the King of the Mountains classification market. Since 2007, Italians riding on invitational teams have done rather well in this category. The recent winners of the KOM have been:
2013 Pirazzi (ITA) Bardiani-CSF
2012 Rabottini (ITA) Neri Sottoli
2011 Garzelli (ITA) Acqua & Sapone
2010 Lloyd (AUS) Predictor-Lotto
2009 Garzelli (ITA) Acqua & Sapone
2008 Sella (ITA) Ceramica Panaria-Margres
2007 Piepoli (ITA) Saunier Duval-Prodir

The reason for this is that a lot of the points for the KOM are spread over peaks which are located in the middle of the mountain stages ... and not just at the end. This means that the riders in breakaways tend to hoover up the points mid-stage, whereas the GC contenders tend to fight for the points on offer at the line. This year, for example, the Cima Coppi (the highest point in the race, at which the most KOM points are on offer) is located on the Stelvio ... which falls mid-stage. Given that the Giro is an Italian stage race, it goes without saying that the Italian teams (and riders) are motivated to do well in front of their home fans, and they will therefore be in a lot of breakaways. The Italian invitational teams for this year are Androni Giocattoli-Venezuela, Bardiani-CSF and Neri Sottoli (NRI). If we take the unattractively priced favourite, Pirazzi @ 9/2, out of the equation ... hoping that he'll be a marked man ... we are left with the following interesting candidates:
Matteo Rabottini (NRI)         14/1    2014 - 3rd Overall Coppi e Bartali
Francesco Bongiorno (BAR)   66/1    2014 - 4th Overall Coppi e Bartali, 14th Overall Giro del Trentino
Franco Pellizotti (AND)          100/1  2014 - 6th Overall Coppi e Bartali, 9th Overall Giro del Trentino
Marco Canola (BAR)             unpriced    2014 - 1st KOM Tirreno-Adriatico

I've also thrown in the following attacking Italian riders as possibilities:
Davide Villella (ITA) Cannondale    100/1    2014 - 1st KOM Vuelta a Pais Vasco
Matteo Montaguti (ITA) AG2R      100/1    2014 - 3rd KOM Vuelta a Pais Vasco, 2013 - 5th KOM Vuelta a Pais Vasco

As you can see, there is a lot of potential value here ... but it needs a bit of refinement, and a second pair of eyes. Tonji? If I had to propose a safe bet, I'd go for Rabottini each-way, because he has a good chance of winning it outright, and is almost certain to be in the mix (barring a crash). I'll be keeping an eye on the KOM throughout the Giro, as things can change dramatically from stage to stage. A rider that scores points one day is unlikely to score points the next, owing to fatigue. So picking one's stages correctly is crucial to tactics.

Anyway, I hope you didn't drift off mid-post. In summary, it's a very tough market this year, because, as I've said before, the odds compilers are becoming more clued up. Saying that, I've got an interesting angle for Stage 5, so I'm waiting on the prices for that one. Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 14, 2014, 04:58:46 AM
Sorry, Tal. Was going to post up a recommend for Stage 5 of the Giro, but once I analysed the parcours a bit more, it became a no-bet. Going to keep my powder dry for another week.

Was looking at yet another angle, but there again, once I did the spreadsheet, the numbers didn't match my feelings. I'm waiting on tomorrow's stage result, before I explore this avenue any further.

Basically, things are starting to get a bit clearer, but it's still muddled.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on May 14, 2014, 08:09:45 AM
::)

As Homer said:

"I can't take his money. I can't print my own money. Why don't I just crawl into a heap and just die?!"


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Rubbish2407 on May 15, 2014, 04:32:41 PM
Carnage in stage 6, bodies everywhere.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 15, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
Carnage in stage 6, bodies everywhere.

This year's Giro is turning into a bit of a lottery. Not seen the results yet, but apparently Joaquim Rodriguez lost 7 minutes to the leaders today. It also seems to have been a good day for anyone that got on my BMC team classification recommend. But I do wish that the rain would go away, so we can get some proper results. Saying that, all the stage favourites seem to be winning so far.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on May 15, 2014, 05:49:45 PM
Any betting on the tour of California stages? Can't find anything other than the outright


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 15, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
Any betting on the tour of California stages? Can't find anything other than the outright

Next Door and PP both have markets up. Why? You have a tip?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on May 15, 2014, 06:23:54 PM
Any betting on the tour of California stages? Can't find anything other than the outright

Next Door and PP both have markets up. Why? You have a tip?

Have been given one, yes, in conversation with a chap at work who has a slightly scary knowledge of cycling.

One of the Yates twins, apparently. Views? Sure he said stage six, tho.

Will accost him tomorrow with the market and hopefully return with more details. When does the stage start? Assuming late evening our time?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 15, 2014, 06:47:41 PM
Any betting on the tour of California stages? Can't find anything other than the outright

Next Door and PP both have markets up. Why? You have a tip?

Have been given one, yes, in conversation with a chap at work who has a slightly scary knowledge of cycling.

One of the Yates twins, apparently. Views? Sure he said stage six, tho.

Will accost him tomorrow with the market and hopefully return with more details. When does the stage start? Assuming late evening our time?

Assume he means Adam Yates to win Stage 6 which has a summit finish. Good tip. Although I imagine he'll be one of the favourites tomorrow, given his impressive performance the other day, as well as in the Tour of Turkey. I'm curious to see his price myself. Pity they don't put these markets up at the start of the week.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on May 15, 2014, 06:59:39 PM
Any betting on the tour of California stages? Can't find anything other than the outright

Next Door and PP both have markets up. Why? You have a tip?

Have been given one, yes, in conversation with a chap at work who has a slightly scary knowledge of cycling.

One of the Yates twins, apparently. Views? Sure he said stage six, tho.

Will accost him tomorrow with the market and hopefully return with more details. When does the stage start? Assuming late evening our time?

Assume he means Adam Yates to win Stage 6 which has a summit finish. Good tip. Although I imagine he'll be one of the favourites tomorrow, given his impressive performance the other day, as well as in the Tour of Turkey. I'm curious to see his price myself. Pity they don't put these markets up at the start of the week.

Yes, he mentioned the tour of Turkey. He talks a far better game than I ever could. Might do a cheeky and email him tomorrow so I can post some of his reply...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 17, 2014, 12:13:24 PM
Been out of loop for some weeks. But back in time as the Giro should hot up today.

I'm told Wiggins is back in shape of in the States, Froome will be delighted!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 17, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Superb ride by young Arredondo, hope he can hang on for the stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 17, 2014, 04:28:16 PM
Incredible finish that.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2014, 09:26:50 AM
A good stage for outsiders today with a breakaway group having a better chance to succeed than normal.

I gone with Rubiano, Poels & Wellens.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2014, 10:14:28 AM
A good stage for outsiders today with a breakaway group having a better chance to succeed than normal.

I gone with Rubiano, Poels & Wellens.


& added Bongiorno & Geschke.

Hoping they will be represented in the early break & the GC riders want a quite day.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 18, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10322772_654589487929490_7927110592061147168_n.jpg)

Stage 16 work clearing the Passo Gavia.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 20, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
http://youtu.be/1WPT0mAUAjg

Cameras In The Peloton. At last catching up with media technology. But fear the UCI will not sanction there use in Grand Tours.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 20, 2014, 01:44:06 PM
http://youtu.be/1WPT0mAUAjg

Cameras In The Peloton. At last catching up with media technology. But fear the UCI will not sanction there use in Grand Tours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeCRnFq_9Lo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 20, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
(http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Giroditalia/2014/images/tappa/tappa_dettagli_tecnici_altimetria_11.jpg?v=20140508173130)

Interesting betting stage tomorrow. Favourites have been winning, but stage 11 looks set for breakaway opportunists & fearless descenders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Rubbish2407 on May 20, 2014, 08:19:01 PM
http://youtu.be/1WPT0mAUAjg

Cameras In The Peloton. At last catching up with media technology. But fear the UCI will not sanction there use in Grand Tours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeCRnFq_9Lo

Absolutely awesome 3 minutes of cycling that. Unreal how quickly gaps open and close and how much argy bargy goes on.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on May 20, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
http://youtu.be/1WPT0mAUAjg

Cameras In The Peloton. At last catching up with media technology. But fear the UCI will not sanction there use in Grand Tours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeCRnFq_9Lo

wow, what a view, gives a great account of just how fast and dangerous those bunch sprints are


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 20, 2014, 11:41:02 PM
(http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Giroditalia/2014/images/tappa/tappa_dettagli_tecnici_altimetria_11.jpg?v=20140508173130)

Interesting betting stage tomorrow. Favourites have been winning, but stage 11 looks set for breakaway opportunists & fearless descenders.

spent a few hours & can't get it down below 10 names! gonna sleep on it..


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
(http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Giroditalia/2014/images/tappa/tappa_dettagli_tecnici_altimetria_11.jpg?v=20140508173130)

Interesting betting stage tomorrow. Favourites have been winning, but stage 11 looks set for breakaway opportunists & fearless descenders.

spent a few hours & can't get it down below 10 names! gonna sleep on it..

Three from yesterday's ten: Geschke, Paolini, & Pirazzi.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2014, 11:20:29 AM
Peloton all together still, approaching the Passo Cento Croci, break should go on the climb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Adriano Malori the favourite for tomorrows ITT after todays crash  ;gobsmacked;

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoK1R0KCEAEWmio.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Josedinho on May 21, 2014, 09:20:53 PM
Any early thoughts on Le Tour?
Froome win it?
Any decent angles to play if I don't want his short odds?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on May 21, 2014, 09:23:51 PM
Any early thoughts on Le Tour?
Froome win it?
Any decent angles to play if I don't want his short odds?

Must be one Columbian climber the bookies haven't thought of yet for KOTM?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2014, 09:44:01 PM
Any early thoughts on Le Tour?
Froome win it?
Any decent angles to play if I don't want his short odds?

On this year's form I'd have Froome & Contador joint favourites.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2014, 11:16:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoLMmCWIYAA7FNQ.jpg:large)

“The course is very hard and not too much for me,” Malori said. “I can ride a good time trial, but the 20 kilometres of climbing is too much and I can lose a lot.” His comment on facebook apparently translated as "I am literally destroyed"

But Alex Dowsett reckons he can still win. He'll be not far off if his legs are alright, but doubts on his strength in longer TT still remain imo & I doubt he'll sleep well tonight. Movistar still need him to protect Quintana on flat stages.

Bookies still have him as favourite. Pretty certain this is one of the most open ITT for a while. A >50% chance of rain on a technical parcours, & the chance the wind drops for the GC later starters.

I like the chances of Wilco Kelderman, currently 7th in GC. The young Belkin rider has a more than decent pedigree on longer TT. 4th in 2012 54km Critérium du Dauphiné TT. Reports from himself & the team after todays stage suggest he is in the best form of his life. 8/1 or better EW is good.

Uran has also been quietly saving energy, & has looked to peak for the Giro. An excellent 4th in last months Tour de Romandie TT shows he has the power. BillyHillbillies 14/1 EW looks attractive.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-12/winner



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 23, 2014, 02:53:56 PM
Stannard confirmed will not make the Tour.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9322887,00.html

Big loss for Sky


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 23, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
(http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/Giroditalia/2014/images/tappa/tappa_dettagli_tecnici_altimetria_14.jpg?v=20140522163344)

Stage 14. Probably a 50/50 chance some breakaway riders stand a chance. Although with Uran having a decent margin against the likes of the pure climbers. Movistar & AG2R may attack on the cat 2 climb & any breakaway will be eaten up.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-14/winner

One selection so far. The final week will hopefully see Fabio Duarte show the form of last months Giro del Trentino. Laddies give a bit extra at 40/1 EW.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2014, 12:09:14 AM
Franco Pellizotti usually goes well in the Giro final week & performed better than expected in the Giro del Trentino. PP 100/1 too tempting!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2014, 09:55:58 AM
If the final comes down to a battle between the GC riders I've gone for Evans. Certainly Pozzovivo & Quintana are the best climbers in the race, but Evans is the fastest finisher. His ITT was initially thought to have been a disappointment, but was actually the best he'd done in awhile. Up hill his power & form are still 100%. 20/1 looks too big.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
Early live start on Eurosport.

Big break with 22 riders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2014, 04:41:34 PM
If the final comes down to a battle between the GC riders I've gone for Evans. Certainly Pozzovivo & Quintana are the best climbers in the race, but Evans is the fastest finisher. His ITT was initially thought to have been a disappointment, but was actually the best he'd done in awhile. Up hill his power & form are still 100%. 20/1 looks too big.

big fail there from me  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 24, 2014, 06:28:47 PM
CWS any thoughts on the coming week in the Giro. Today's stage showed Quintana can now push on for the win with the high mountains to come. Only Pozzavivo can possibly match him. Kelderman & Aru did a fine job in limiting losses, but are young & could fade.

KOM is a conundrum. Arrendondo blow up today.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/king-of-the-mountains

Must be a play here? Pozzavivo or Quintana, or go Monsalve, who has been heavily involved breaks for early stage KOM points.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 25, 2014, 05:11:15 AM
CWS any thoughts on the coming week in the Giro. Today's stage showed Quintana can now push on for the win with the high mountains to come. Only Pozzavivo can possibly match him. Kelderman & Aru did a fine job in limiting losses, but are young & could fade.

KOM is a conundrum. Arrendondo blow up today.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/king-of-the-mountains

Must be a play here? Pozzavivo or Quintana, or go Monsalve, who has been heavily involved breaks for early stage KOM points.

Had a quick look, but couldn't see anything of note. Uran still has plenty of time on Pozzovivo and Quintana, so no earth-shattering news yet. If he loses 30s on each mountain stage, he'll still win. Arredondo blowing up is a bit of a stretch imo. He missed the breakaway on purpose so he could help Kiserlovski today, according to:
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/hunger_knock_for_kiserlovski_in_the_giro/ (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/hunger_knock_for_kiserlovski_in_the_giro/)
From what I can make of it, he did his work for his captain, and then dropped off the back.

Won't be any major change in the KOM today with the parcours as it is. Will have another look later. Still fancy a non-GC rider for the blue jersey. Wellens? Still think Arredondo has the edge, but would like to see Arredondo v Wellens up a mountain before I make up my mind. Monsalve (who I fancied at one stage for the KOM) was soundly beaten by Wellens up 2 summits today. I think his race has run.

Interested to see how Majka rides today ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 25, 2014, 11:10:08 AM
Cheers CWS.

Some great stages this week, potentially a classic last battle on the Zoncolan on saturday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 26, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
Giro d'Italia: Stage 16 preview. The Queen stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0zntApIx9g


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 26, 2014, 04:45:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bokea4cIgAAa_BW.jpg)

The Gavia. Road clear but a decent chance of snow could see stage altered.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 26, 2014, 04:54:31 PM
Giro d’Italia in photos: stages 10 to 15.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/05/the-giro-ditalia-in-photos-stages-10-to-15/

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/to240514spo_0150.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2014, 10:13:07 AM
Giro d'Italia: Stage 16 preview. The Queen stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0zntApIx9g


A few thoughts on today.

Quintana 2/1 fav too short.

Todays tough stage & conditions could find out the younger riders.

Uran despite minor set backs is still hanging strong. 25/1 ew.

Duarte, desperate for a stage win, todays race at altitude should be fine for him. 12/1 ftw.

Niemiec, unfortunate time losses early in the race put him out of contention for GC, certainly aiming for a stage this week, strong in Trentino, hopefully strong today. 40/1 ew.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2014, 02:15:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BopLucYCMAAljt9.jpg)

Horrid conditions, the gruppetto may be in danger.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Jamier-Host on May 27, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
This may be a silly question, but how does the KOTM work? Can't see betting for it any more, but also can't see a result anywhere?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2014, 02:32:36 PM
This may be a silly question, but how does the KOTM work? Can't see betting for it any more, but also can't see a result anywhere?

KOM points is complicated, but points won on different graded summits during the stage & summit finish.

Detail & rules somewhere in the road book  http://www.gazzetta.it/Giroditalia/2014/download/GIRO_PROFILE_2014_WEB.pdf

Current points: http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Giro_d_Italia_2014_Stage_15_Mountains_Classification

Betting suspended whilst stage is running.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Jamier-Host on May 27, 2014, 02:47:32 PM
Ok thanks. Still quite confused but know more than i did before!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: arbboy on May 27, 2014, 02:48:09 PM
never ever watched cycling before but these conditions are mental.  Hat's off to the epo drug cheats operating in conditions like this! ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2014, 02:58:45 PM
never ever watched cycling before but these conditions are mental.  Hat's off to the epo drug cheats operating in conditions like this! ;hattip;

new era, times changing, more drugs in tennis & american football now...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: arbboy on May 27, 2014, 03:14:39 PM
fyp - new era, different drugs, different masking agents cheats still ahead of testers


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2014, 03:21:09 PM
fyp - new era, different drugs, different masking agents cheats still ahead of testers

for a minority perhaps, but so much cleaner than 5 years ago.

Blood & bio passports for all riders. Cycling has/is changing, still waiting for other sports to implement consistent testing!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 28, 2014, 09:22:20 AM
Stage 17.

(http://inrng.com/medias/giro/stage17profile2014.jpg)

I'm hoping a break makes it, as I've gone for three with potential. All ew.

Geschke 33/1

Ratto 150/1

Arashiro 100/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 30, 2014, 04:31:39 PM
Wow Fabian Aru, incredible ride, just showing how much confidence & the home crowds can help pull out a top class performance.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 02, 2014, 12:08:18 PM
Never made it out for the Zoncolan, shame as it looked perfect for the fans & riders

http://youtu.be/UgqD-0GuIAQ



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 06, 2014, 12:08:01 PM
Critérium du Dauphiné up next on the 8th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnOx93C7VEQ


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 06, 2014, 12:09:45 PM
Marcel Kittel with a warning to Tour de France fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCU1-Piw1Lc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 06, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
No surprised, Wiggins won't ride the TDF.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/27729769


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on June 08, 2014, 06:09:49 PM
I wouldn't be 100% sure of that!  I have a suspicion he will find a way to get a ride, there's an awful lot of momentum and support behind him at the moment.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 08, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
Frankly I can't see how him and Froome can both go. They obvo hate each other and if I was Froome I wouldn't trust Wiggo to give 100% as a domestique in the mountains.

Wiggo and his whining gets worse by the week imo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 09, 2014, 02:30:58 PM
Fabulous stage in the Critérium du Dauphiné


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BigAdz on June 09, 2014, 02:35:52 PM
Frankly I can't see how him and Froome can both go. They obvo hate each other and if I was Froome I wouldn't trust Wiggo to give 100% as a domestique in the mountains.

Wiggo and his whining gets worse by the week imo


Yup, thats why you should always wait a while before honoring these people. A great sporting deed should not be enough in itself to be knighted, he should have a few years of proving a touch of humility and putting his success to good use, before he was bestowed the honor IMO.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 09, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
Fabulous stage in the Critérium du Dauphiné

Indeed!!!

Awesome show of tactical riding from the GCs.
Nibali seemed to get dropped a bit too easy but may just be saving it for TdF
Contador looked the strongest I have seen him for years. Couldn't call it between him and Froome for TdF

Fabulous show of grit and will to win by Froome today though


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: willrobrobu on June 11, 2014, 05:00:45 PM
No surprised, Wiggins won't ride the TDF.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/27729769

he is in the nationals though

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/zuvvi/media/bc_files/road/NRRC_START_LISTS_MENS_TT.pdf

my cousin also features on that particular list!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 15, 2014, 04:05:20 PM
What a fantastic Critérium du Dauphiné, the best stage race of the year so far.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on June 16, 2014, 09:33:47 AM
Contador looked amazing! Do you think Froomes fall affected him or is he just not in as good a shape? The gap between them in the odds has closed rapidly!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 16, 2014, 09:41:11 AM
Contador looked amazing! Do you think Froomes fall affected him or is he just not in as good a shape? The gap between them in the odds has closed rapidly!

Contador looks favourite for TdF imo.
Froome just didn't have it. Contador looks very good, last time he looked this good he was juiced!!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 16, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
Contador looked amazing! Do you think Froomes fall affected him or is he just not in as good a shape? The gap between them in the odds has closed rapidly!

Hi Vic,

Froome crash certainly resulted in the loss of time in the final stage. He's got three weeks to recover ahead of the TDF.

No doubt Contador is the only rider at the same level as Froome.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2014, 10:35:06 AM
Family & business stuff have mean't less cycling this year, but hope to have more free time during the TDF.

Like this Onboard Camera during the Tour De Suisse, Stage 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13BENuYp19w


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on June 20, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
Have watched a lot of cycling past couple of weeks and I think Sky look the weakest it has since it started. The peleton have wised up to sky's high tempo up front and just let em burn themselves out.

Wiggins had an awesome team in 2012, Froome was super strong 2013 and a decent team but this year Froome isn't at his peak and only Porte looks strong enough. They are missing Rodgers imo


Of the others I have been impressed by TJ all year but he is held back at BMC with Cadel still seen as number 1


On the fat boys front it looks stronger then ever, so many top class sprinters now. I reckon there could be carnage in a few finishes this year


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2014, 01:03:30 PM
Hi Vegas,

Agree Sky have had problems this year, & other teams no longer follow. Saxo, Astana & Movistar will have incredibly strong teams for the Tour. Add in teams like Garmin & Katusha who can decimate the peleton with surprise tactics. Sky will be under pressure from week one.

Sky team likely to be Froome, Porte, Nieve, Henao, Thomas, Kiryienka, Siutsou, Kennaugh & EBH. No obvious road captain, & may regret not taking Bernie Eisel.

Interesting interview with Brailsford:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyNKfi_Ogl8


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
Quote
Of the others I have been impressed by TJ all year but he is held back at BMC with Cadel still seen as number 1

Think BMC will have TJ as leader, although I think he had a fractured hip & preparations have not been ideal.

Liking Talansky to break into the top 6. He seems to get stronger in the final week of a GT, & tactically is wiser than a year ago.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2014, 09:10:21 PM
GCN Preview

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3x5bsFbxnw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 20, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
Rike Radar are doing stage previews

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EcfuXtX0_g


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2014, 10:02:43 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1851493793/hp03.jpg)

Lotto Belisol have confirmed their TDF selection. Adam Hansen rides his 9th consecutive Grand Tour. Incredible rider.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: willrobrobu on June 26, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
time trial happening now

watch out for paul jones, should be finisihing lap 1/2 any second

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/nationalroadchampionships/article/20140609-roadchamps-Live-reporting---British-Cycling-National-Road-Championships-0


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2014, 09:33:11 AM
time trial happening now

watch out for paul jones, should be finisihing lap 1/2 any second

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/nationalroadchampionships/article/20140609-roadchamps-Live-reporting---British-Cycling-National-Road-Championships-0

how'd he get on?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2014, 10:22:48 AM
Sky set to announce Tour team today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2014, 10:33:05 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De5hf1DugDw

Really looking forward to this stage. I'll be at Cote de Jenkin Road  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2014, 11:40:39 AM
Sky set to announce Tour team today.

Froome, Porte, Thomas, Nieve, Eisel, Kiryienka, Lopez, Pate & Zandio.

Surprised Peter Kennaugh missed out (perhaps he'll be GC rider in the Vuelta). Pleased Eisel is included.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2014, 11:41:27 AM
Sky set to announce Tour team today.

Froome, Porte, Thomas, Nieve, Eisel, Kiryienka, Lopez, Pate & Zandio.

Surprised Peter Kennaugh missed out (perhaps he'll be GC rider in the Vuelta). Pleased Eisel is included.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,30906_9363512,00.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: willrobrobu on June 27, 2014, 11:50:04 AM
time trial happening now

watch out for paul jones, should be finisihing lap 1/2 any second

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/nationalroadchampionships/article/20140609-roadchamps-Live-reporting---British-Cycling-National-Road-Championships-0

how'd he get on?


28th 1h3m. wiggers won it in 53minutes. was wet conditions though not actually raining i believe
there were very few local club riders in the mix vs all the pros. my cousin (bristol south cc) went there after work to compete so i think he was just pleased not to come last!





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on June 27, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Wiggins Commonwealth games/England

massive boost for the event, i would think


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2014, 12:12:25 PM
time trial happening now

watch out for paul jones, should be finisihing lap 1/2 any second

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/nationalroadchampionships/article/20140609-roadchamps-Live-reporting---British-Cycling-National-Road-Championships-0

how'd he get on?


28th 1h3m. wiggers won it in 53minutes. was wet conditions though not actually raining i believe
there were very few local club riders in the mix vs all the pros. my cousin (bristol south cc) went there after work to compete so i think he was just pleased not to come last!





Competing against the pros must be a thrill in itself. Does he have ambitions at turning pro?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 27, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
Wiggins Commonwealth games/England

massive boost for the event, i would think

Will be nailed on for the TT.

Fascinating character, be interesting to see what happens next. Rio on the Track? Move from Sky to have another tilt at the Tour?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on June 27, 2014, 12:23:38 PM
Looking forward to coming up to Sheffield for the tour, that stage looks pretty brutal just goes to show you how hard some of the alpine stages later in the tour are when this only might see GC ramifications.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 28, 2014, 03:14:17 PM
https://audioboo.fm/boos/2281721-david-millar-and-the-tour-de-france-a-special-interview

A quality Cycling Podcast. They'll be doing a daily podcast during the Tour. Well worth a listen.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on June 28, 2014, 05:01:01 PM
I'm thinking of opposing Froome by backing Valverde.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 28, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
I'm thinking of opposing Froome by backing Valverde.

Thoughts?


Don't mind that Tal. I had some small 18/1 ew yesterday after he won the Spanish TT in strong fashion. He's certainly aiming top 3, & his season has been pretty much perfect preparation wise. Movistar team not confirmed yet, but will be strong no doubt.

News today Contador will be without Kreuziger is a big blow for Saxo. Edges it a touch in favour of Froome imo.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on June 28, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
I'm thinking of opposing Froome by backing Valverde.

Thoughts?


Don't mind that Tal. I had some small 18/1 ew yesterday after he won the Spanish TT in strong fashion. He's certainly aiming top 3, & his season has been pretty much perfect preparation wise. Movistar team not confirmed yet, but will be strong no doubt.

News today Contador will be without Kreuziger is a big blow for Saxo. Edges it a touch in favour of Froome imo.

Stupid question time: there's only a few people who can realistically win a TdF, barring big injuries. They have to be one of the top three or four teams, because they're so much better supported (financially and in terms of both depth and ability). We know (even I know) Movistar will be great in the attacks and the mountains, so surely backing Valverde as leader to finish top three at 9/2 is a belting price?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2014, 11:22:05 AM
I'm thinking of opposing Froome by backing Valverde.

Thoughts?


Don't mind that Tal. I had some small 18/1 ew yesterday after he won the Spanish TT in strong fashion. He's certainly aiming top 3, & his season has been pretty much perfect preparation wise. Movistar team not confirmed yet, but will be strong no doubt.

News today Contador will be without Kreuziger is a big blow for Saxo. Edges it a touch in favour of Froome imo.

Stupid question time: there's only a few people who can realistically win a TdF, barring big injuries. They have to be one of the top three or four teams, because they're so much better supported (financially and in terms of both depth and ability). We know (even I know) Movistar will be great in the attacks and the mountains, so surely backing Valverde as leader to finish top three at 9/2 is a belting price?

9/2 top 3 is VG. can only see 5/2 now.

Theoretically 3rd spot on the podium is between Nibali & Valverde. Both have shown in their respective National championships that they are in more than decent shape. Of course we all know three weeks of GT racing throw up surprises & mishaps.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on June 29, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
I'm thinking of opposing Froome by backing Valverde.

Thoughts?


Don't mind that Tal. I had some small 18/1 ew yesterday after he won the Spanish TT in strong fashion. He's certainly aiming top 3, & his season has been pretty much perfect preparation wise. Movistar team not confirmed yet, but will be strong no doubt.

News today Contador will be without Kreuziger is a big blow for Saxo. Edges it a touch in favour of Froome imo.

Stupid question time: there's only a few people who can realistically win a TdF, barring big injuries. They have to be one of the top three or four teams, because they're so much better supported (financially and in terms of both depth and ability). We know (even I know) Movistar will be great in the attacks and the mountains, so surely backing Valverde as leader to finish top three at 9/2 is a belting price?

9/2 top 3 is VG. can only see 5/2 now.

Theoretically 3rd spot on the podium is between Nibali & Valverde. Both have shown in their respective National championships that they are in more than decent shape. Of course we all know three weeks of GT racing throw up surprises & mishaps.

The 18/1 has gone now for the each way. 16/1 at 1/4 odds is still 4/1 top three, though.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2014, 01:13:07 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/top-10-finish

Tanel Kangert @ 20/1 looks a value spot. 4 GTs completed riding in support of leader. Last year 11th Giro, 14th Vuelta both as lieutenant to Nibali, really impressed. 2014 will be a first appearance in the Tour & again will be Nibali's trusted helper in the mountains. His build up has been low key, but form looked to be building ok in the Critérium du Dauphiné. If he shows the same consistency as 2013, a year on could see him break into the top ten.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2014, 04:36:09 PM
I'm thinking of opposing Froome by backing Valverde.

Thoughts?


Don't mind that Tal. I had some small 18/1 ew yesterday after he won the Spanish TT in strong fashion. He's certainly aiming top 3, & his season has been pretty much perfect preparation wise. Movistar team not confirmed yet, but will be strong no doubt.

News today Contador will be without Kreuziger is a big blow for Saxo. Edges it a touch in favour of Froome imo.

Stupid question time: there's only a few people who can realistically win a TdF, barring big injuries. They have to be one of the top three or four teams, because they're so much better supported (financially and in terms of both depth and ability). We know (even I know) Movistar will be great in the attacks and the mountains, so surely backing Valverde as leader to finish top three at 9/2 is a belting price?

9/2 top 3 is VG. can only see 5/2 now.

Theoretically 3rd spot on the podium is between Nibali & Valverde. Both have shown in their respective National championships that they are in more than decent shape. Of course we all know three weeks of GT racing throw up surprises & mishaps.

The 18/1 has gone now for the each way. 16/1 at 1/4 odds is still 4/1 top three, though.

More good news if you on Valverde. He finished 2nd in the Spanish National RR, allowing his Movistar teammate Ion Izagirre the win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Acidmouse on June 29, 2014, 04:47:26 PM
Today I drove around the 1st leg of the Tour da France which starts next week. Harewood house the official start is already looking amazing, stands, camps, rigs all being setup. Most of the route is awash with bunting, yellow bikes hung up, stands, camping fields, camera stations already. Virtually every village is passes through has been transformed to yellow. Be really interesting how many turn up for this, anyone else going along to the ones in England?

I will be at Harewood house should be fun all the roads closes 6am till 4pm :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 29, 2014, 04:51:42 PM
Today I drove around the 1st leg of the Tour da France which starts next week. Harewood house the official start is already looking amazing, stands, camps, rigs all being setup. Most of the route is awash with bunting, yellow bikes hung up, stands, camping fields, camera stations already. Virtually every village is passes through has been transformed to yellow. Be really interesting how many turn up for this, anyone else going along to the ones in England?

I will be at Harewood house should be fun all the roads closes 6am till 4pm :)

I think the crowds will be big, massive if the weather is fine.

20 odd million watched the Tour roadside last year!

Enjoy your day at Harewood, a great backdrop for the event & Yorkshire tourism  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on June 29, 2014, 05:23:42 PM
i cant wait for TDF afternoons flaked out on the sofa watching the kings of the roads trade punches in the mountains

i used to be addicted back in the 90s but all the doping has knocked back my enthusiasm david miller was a heartbreaker when i found out he was a cheat


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2014, 11:43:00 AM
5 days to go, & teams confirmed so far

http://www.pelotonwatch.com/calendar/2014/worldtour/tourdefrance/startlist.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2014, 11:44:23 AM
Tour de France: 5 key climbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999LV1Mbjlg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
le tour celebrates the Brits!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UA26am-Ic


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 30, 2014, 12:04:59 PM
Movistar announce team. Shame Dowsett doesn't make it.

http://movistarteam.com/news/2014-6-30/searching-for-tour-de-france-podium


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 01, 2014, 04:40:24 PM
All team lineups now confirmed.

http://letour.yorkshire.com/teams


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 02, 2014, 12:18:37 PM
Cannot wait for this to start :)


Any other bets you fancy Tonji?   Hoping that Contador does the business but would be good to have some others to cheer for along the way :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 02, 2014, 12:30:47 PM
Cannot wait for this to start :)


Any other bets you fancy Tonji?   Hoping that Contador does the business but would be good to have some others to cheer for along the way :)

Hi Vic,

So far: Valverde EW for overall. Kangert top 10. Rodriguez KOM. Cyril Gautier KOM (complete banzai on advice from a mate after too much wine!). Greipel EW stage 1.

If time permits I'll post a few more I have in mind over the next few days.

What is everyone else on?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 02, 2014, 12:54:42 PM
Thanks!

Have not really placed any bets so far, been far too involved in the World Cup! Hoping to have a look through it all over the next few days and will hopefully be able to get a few down


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 02, 2014, 11:18:24 PM
http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/video/tour-de-france-preview-part-2-ned-and-chris-predict-the-stage-1-winner

Great! the familiar duo of Ned & Chris  :)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2014, 12:07:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Brm1kSwIUAEvj2Z.jpg)

Bling Matthews crashed in training earlier in week, lost a lot of skin & stitched up hand. Start in doubt, but on the rollers to see if he can still ride! Was a decent candidate for stage 2.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2014, 04:01:42 PM
Quote
Onboard cameras are commonly used in motor sports. They'll make their debut at the Tour de France in a trial over three weeks of racing. Every day, four riders from two different teams will carry an ultra-light camera. They'll turn it on themselves as they'll approach the key moments of the race. After each stage, a video will be edited, published on letour.fr and available for team's websites and broadcasters.

A step closer, next year live should be the norm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 03, 2014, 10:20:26 PM
Quote
Onboard cameras are commonly used in motor sports. They'll make their debut at the Tour de France in a trial over three weeks of racing. Every day, four riders from two different teams will carry an ultra-light camera. They'll turn it on themselves as they'll approach the key moments of the race. After each stage, a video will be edited, published on letour.fr and available for team's websites and broadcasters.

A step closer, next year live should be the norm.

Awesome, can't wait for it to start.
Anyone been watching the reruns and the celebs training for the Yorkshire race?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 04, 2014, 09:40:22 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Brr4PwAIgAA_W7G.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Acidmouse on July 04, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Not long now!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2014, 06:33:31 PM
Nibali KOM 33/1 just looks too big to me. Added to portfolio  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 12:48:10 AM
Nibali KOM 33/1 just looks too big to me. Added to portfolio  :)

Movistar team classification 10/1.

Young Rider, Ion Izagirre 20/1

Points (Sagan obv, but too short), Alexander Kristoff 18/1.

Stage 2: Gerrans 6/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 05, 2014, 03:29:56 AM
Nibali KOM 33/1 just looks too big to me. Added to portfolio  :)

Movistar team classification 10/1.

Young Rider, Ion Izagirre 20/1

Points (Sagan obv, but too short), Alexander Kristoff 18/1.

Stage 2: Gerrans 6/1.

I gave a serious amount of thought to those first two picks. I think Movistar at that price can't be a bad bet, given the depth of their squad. Might still go in at a later date. Gerrans for Stage 2? Haven't looked at it yet, but he shouldn't be far off the front. Hope you had a good laugh at my recommends on Fred. Straight out of left-field that lot. ;goodluck;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 10:15:24 AM
Nibali KOM 33/1 just looks too big to me. Added to portfolio  :)

Movistar team classification 10/1.

Young Rider, Ion Izagirre 20/1

Points (Sagan obv, but too short), Alexander Kristoff 18/1.

Stage 2: Gerrans 6/1.

I gave a serious amount of thought to those first two picks. I think Movistar at that price can't be a bad bet, given the depth of their squad. Might still go in at a later date. Gerrans for Stage 2? Haven't looked at it yet, but he shouldn't be far off the front. Hope you had a good laugh at my recommends on Fred. Straight out of left-field that lot. ;goodluck;

Tough race to find any value these days, so the main category bets look like mini banzais, but there is value there (I hope!)

Talk this week that stage 1 finish could be too difficult for Kittel, & Degenkolb will be sprinting for Giant. Hear anything?

Liking that Greipel & Lotto are talking confidently about this stage. Technical roads & the normal nervous peloton will inevitably result in crashes I think.

Good luck CWS interesting stuff as always.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 11:01:09 AM
Stage 1 full coverage on ITV or Eurosport now.

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2014/us/stage-1.html

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2014/100/PROFIL.png)

A neutral zone, then race proper gets under way at 12.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
Little known fact

(http://hastingsonlinetimes.co.uk/hottie/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Gary-Imlach1.jpg)

Gary Imlach is a bit of a photographer & has exhibited a series of photographs "First Floor Models"


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Well done Yorkshire - don't think I have ever seen crowds this big at any race start. Great to see.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 11:54:19 AM
http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2014/us/live/aso/stage-100.html

Official live ticker, useful for betty trading  ;)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Acidmouse on July 05, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Was at Harewood house was crazy busy. Never seen anything like it, huge crowds. Watched the big screen of them leaving Leeds city center and impressed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jens+Voigt+USA+Pro+Cycling+Challenge+Day+3+ySY3zZ0U_XLl.jpg)

Jens, in typical fashion involved.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 02:47:07 PM
Was at Harewood house was crazy busy. Never seen anything like it, huge crowds. Watched the big screen of them leaving Leeds city center and impressed.

huge crowds in every town, village & climb.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrxlEm3IgAA4Dvo.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on July 05, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
100k and a five minute lead to defend. Easy peasy


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on July 05, 2014, 03:01:36 PM
Itv or eurosport?

Itv seems aimed at general public eurosport seem more knowledgable,  i switch between 2 durind add breaks


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 05, 2014, 03:02:58 PM
Fantastic scenes on these yorkshire dale climbs for the TdeF. crowd right into it


Eurosport for me. more detail. the main man (name? does the viewer tweets and stuff) is amazing


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on July 05, 2014, 03:03:08 PM
Hope the crowd get back when tge peleton gets to the climb


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 05, 2014, 03:06:56 PM
can someone give me some good twitter accounts to follow the tour with please?

the eurosport guys, official feeds, teams etc

ty


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 03:11:58 PM
can someone give me some good twitter accounts to follow the tour with please?

the eurosport guys, official feeds, teams etc

ty

pm sent Tighty


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on July 05, 2014, 03:33:10 PM
Yeah  always enjoy the informal knowledgable commentry on eurosport, love the talk about the previous days meals etc just struggle with sean's accent sometimes, espically if he gets excited


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
Yeah  always enjoy the informal knowledgable commentry on eurosport, love the talk about the previous days meals etc just struggle with sean's accent sometimes, espically if he gets excited

Iron, play Sean Kelly Bingo  :)

(http://bikesandbidons.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bn1l7h8ciaawgk2.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 03:54:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BryNyqOIYAAGruq.jpg)

Yorkshire

(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4829876-3x2-940x627.jpg)

Alpe d'Huez


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 04:47:47 PM
Sprint teams starting to organize for the final. Lotto & Greipel have been a permanent fixture at the front. Could be some chaos!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 05:05:54 PM
SHIT!!!!!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on July 05, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
That's that, then. Same time next year?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 05:07:57 PM
Greipel balked by the crash, may not have won, but looked like a top 3 finish lost.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 05, 2014, 05:11:25 PM
Kittel is the man, if Cav is fit to ride on may well be getting a penalty for that


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2014, 05:16:34 PM
Be interesting to see the on board footage for the finish. Manic!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 06, 2014, 09:40:48 AM
think this is my favourite image from yesterday

spot the peloton

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br2MlNwCAAAkil_.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 06, 2014, 10:16:39 AM
Cav is done :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Newportlad on July 06, 2014, 10:33:22 AM
Can someone please explain why Sagan is such a massive favourite for Stage 2?     2/1 with Bet 365!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 06, 2014, 11:06:16 AM
Can someone please explain why Sagan is such a massive favourite for Stage 2?     2/1 with Bet 365!

It's very hilly so all the regular sprinters, i.e. Kittel, Griepel etc will get dropped. Sagan, though a sprinter, is actually pretty good at getting up the hills so is likely to stay with the climbers.

If he does that there is unlikely to be any sprinters left to compete against him


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2014, 11:18:19 AM
Can someone please explain why Sagan is such a massive favourite for Stage 2?     2/1 with Bet 365!

It's very hilly so all the regular sprinters, i.e. Kittel, Griepel etc will get dropped. Sagan, though a sprinter, is actually pretty good at getting up the hills so is likely to stay with the climbers.

If he does that there is unlikely to be any sprinters left to compete against him

hoping Gerrans, can shrug off the injuries for today. Tough them Aussies!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 06, 2014, 11:35:20 AM
Any speculative bets on long shots today? Breakaway likely to succeed?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2014, 11:57:03 AM
Any speculative bets on long shots today? Breakaway likely to succeed?

not really had a proper look.

Initial thoughts, Cancellara may have a dig, yesterday showed he's 100%, & should like the short tough power climb towards the finish.

Valverde may see an opportunity.

Others, Kwiatowski, Degenkolb, Dumoulin, Van Avermaet.

I'll be off to Jenkins Road later, friend of a freind has a house half way up, short 20 minute walk from my house.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2014-Tour-de-France-Stage-1-9.jpg)

more photos here http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/07/tour-de-france-stage-1-in-photos/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2014, 11:22:18 PM
(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/451766738-riders-make-the-climb-of-the-cote-de-kenkins-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QXRsoVcrRS9viUCjOKoQ43Qh5%2bNqkwzJMgrAjHGr5oKB9bpeGOCenwvjzCGZF%2bG17A%3d%3d)

Wonderful afternoon, spent just around the bend in the photo above, with friends. Superb atmosphere.

Special kudos to Kittel for riding over to salute the German fans across the road from us.

Pretty sure the poor bandaged Lampre rider boldly still peddling 30 minutes after the leaders appreciated the extra cheers.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Du4XioUxmI

"I'm afraid!"  :)

The French FDJ team in stage 2.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 11:58:58 AM

http://youtu.be/X-pbN-hmQO0

On board cameras, stage 1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 07, 2014, 12:06:39 PM
sprinters today?

Griepel? Sagan? Kittel?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
sprinters today?

Griepel? Sagan? Kittel?

No bet day for me. Can't see past Kittel. Demare likes the finish, I'm expecting FDJ to put a big effort for this one, but I've not got involved.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
Wow at the crowds in Essex

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br8KDDuIYAAnGOJ.jpg)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: mondatoo on July 07, 2014, 01:59:33 PM
What is going on ?

Since when was Cycling this popular ?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on July 07, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
What is going on ?

Since when was Cycling this popular ?
always has been when tour comes over,especially if gb has good riders


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Acidmouse on July 07, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
Beyond tilting the amount of adverts on ITV lol. enjoyed todays stage again will watch the rest of the tour for sure.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 07, 2014, 08:27:38 PM
sprinters today?

Griepel? Sagan? Kittel?

No bet day for me. Can't see past Kittel. Demare likes the finish, I'm expecting FDJ to put a big effort for this one, but I've not got involved.

Kittel looks sooo comfortable in the sprints without Cav there, can see him winning every one he contests atm


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 09:10:26 PM
sprinters today?

Griepel? Sagan? Kittel?

No bet day for me. Can't see past Kittel. Demare likes the finish, I'm expecting FDJ to put a big effort for this one, but I've not got involved.

Kittel looks sooo comfortable in the sprints without Cav there, can see him winning every one he contests atm

Yeah, Cav is a massive loss to the race. Maybe Greipel can get back on track, although the Lotto tactics need a rethink.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcqiBEFf44U

OGE backstage pass, with some crazy on board footage.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
Geriant Thomas has been doing daily short film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdAZ7UpNdrQ


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 07, 2014, 10:07:36 PM
What do you think is wrong with Greipel?

I know he was hampered by the Cav fall in the first stage, but in both of them he has looked way off the pace quite a long way out. Seemed to be struggling to even stay with his train today


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2014, 10:19:03 PM
What do you think is wrong with Greipel?

I know he was hampered by the Cav fall in the first stage, but in both of them he has looked way off the pace quite a long way out. Seemed to be struggling to even stay with his train today

Today it looked like he lost out in positioning in the last 500m & sat up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 09:42:37 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2014/400/PROFIL.png)

A sprint stage. Kittel is looking unbeatable at the minute. Maybe the French sprinters, Demare & Coquard be better on home soil.

Whatever many of the riders will be nervous for tomorrows stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrCT_-6SGNc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on July 08, 2014, 09:51:11 AM


Did all the Teams, & the accompanying huge cavalcade of cars, vans & whatever, get across the Channel in time?

Last I heard, Eurotunnel & Eurostar were having serious delays due to catenary failure. 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 10:10:48 AM


Did all the Teams, & the accompanying huge cavalcade of cars, vans & whatever, get across the Channel in time?

Last I heard, Eurotunnel & Eurostar were having serious delays due to catenary failure. 

Riders all flew in a chartered jet. Teams & equipment all went on the Tours own ferry.

Many of the journos are stuck on Eurostar.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 11:44:53 AM
Stage 5 forecast for tomorrow, rain

http://www.meteofrance.com/previsions-meteo-france/wallers/59135

could be a messy stage of carnage! sure to be some massive fails.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5bf7c47bf05e38770e8ae8e00f0e8eca/tumblr_n3vp2et63M1ty34d7o1_400.jpg)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 11:55:02 AM
During the Tour a friendly battle goes on between the Team chefs.

5 star cooking from Hannah @dailystews at Tinkoff, & @teamskychef Soren. They tweet photos of each days menu.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 12:41:56 PM
Some ponderings on stage 5:

Last time the Tour had a cobbled stage was in 2010. Hushovd (a Roubaix specialist) won in a small group including Thomas & Cancellara.

2004 also won by a cobbled specialist O'Grady in a small group.

This years edition looks tougher.

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2014/500/PROFIL.png)

Should be noted that at 155km it's nearly half the distance of a traditional Paris-Roubaix. Legs will be fresher, younger, less experienced riders could still be involved in the final. The shorter distance also brings more chaos. The fight for the front of the peloton before each sector is likely to be manic & more dangerous than the cobbled sections themselves. Punctures & crashes are pretty much guaranteed.

more later...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BorntoBubble on July 08, 2014, 01:10:11 PM
How long till the race starts today?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 01:17:08 PM
How long till the race starts today?

Think it's around 2pm today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 04:04:59 PM
More on Stage 5:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXQRmOVCcAA2-KD.jpg)

The GC teams are not interested in the stage win, & are likely to ride defensively, & only attack each other if circumstances arise. So I'm discounting the chances of the likes of Sky's Thomas & Eisel. Movistar, Tinkoff & Astana will be just looking to get through the stage without too much time lost imo.

Stage winner from a team without any real GC objectives.

Prime stand out favourite is Trek's Cancellara. His experience & power is second to none on this parcour. However the shorter distance is not in his favour. “For me, there’s a risk of arriving in a small sprint. I’m not a bad sprinter, but that’s not good for me. The stage is quite short, which is disappointing because it makes for more chaos. I would like to have a longer stage so that there will be more difficulties and more of a chance for the true specialists.”

Some names later after todays stage & bookies release prices...





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 04:38:57 PM
The Teams I expect to be prominent tomorrow.

Belkin: Dutch team, with huge experience riding these roads. Mollema is the GC rider, but realistically a top ten contender for the overall. The team may feel that with strong riders like Vanmarcke, Boom & Tankink, they could tactically use the stage to put time into their GC rivals. At just 2 seconds down on Nibali, the yellow jersey is up for grabs.

Alternatively, they may see this as the best opportunity for a stage victory. Vanmarcke would be the prime candidate. His season is to peak for the Classics in March & April & then peak again for the late season races. This year is different, his 8th place on stage 1 of the Tour is signs he may have the Classics form for stage 5. He'll need a solo effort to get a win as he lacks a sprint.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 05:00:21 PM
OPQS: Now without Cav, objectives for the team will have changed. Despite that I'm sure they still have this stage penciled in.

Kwiatowski is nominally for GC, although the team don't have any more expectations for the youngster other than to finish as high as possible.

Tony Martin you'd think should be immense on this type of stage, but actually hates the cobbles & has never ridden any of the cobble classics. Fortunately Terpstra loves them, he won Roubaix this year. He'll be sure to look for a solo break in the closing 20km or so to grab a stage win for the team.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 05:07:59 PM
Giant-Shimano: Will want to continue the stage wins of Kittel. Degenkolb will relish this stage after a fine 2nd in Roubaix. He should have good support from Veelers, Curvers & De Kort, all have experince of riding the cobbles.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 05:12:44 PM
Sagan, is natural no matter what the parcours. Strong, but tactically still making errors, he really should have won stage 2.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 06:17:38 PM
The Belgian team Lotto-Belisol, is packed with strong rouleur riders. Tactically they can ride as a team, especially as GC leader Jurgen van den Broeck will me more comfortable on these roads than many of his rivals. Jurgen Roelandts would look to be the option for a strong stage finish here.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
Plenty of money plowed in for Contador after Froome's crash today. No break, but he'll have another x-ray after the cobble bashing tomorrow, assuming he stays upright!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 08, 2014, 09:42:19 PM
Plenty of money plowed in for Contador after Froome's crash today. No break, but he'll have another x-ray after the cobble bashing tomorrow, assuming he stays upright!

No surprise there obviously, although I think Froome isn't at the top of his form after the previous fall.

Shame Voeckler went solo today, the shorter stage tomorrow might have been a good one to attack, he's also crazy enough to attack the cobbles...lol


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 09:50:45 PM
Garmin are the sort of team to use this stage to put some hurt on the GC riders & adopt some risky tactics. Talansky is the sort of gutsy rider willing to ride out of his comfort zone so early in the race. Vansummeren & Langeveld will be charging at the front I'd imagine.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 09:53:29 PM
Plenty of money plowed in for Contador after Froome's crash today. No break, but he'll have another x-ray after the cobble bashing tomorrow, assuming he stays upright!

No surprise there obviously, although I think Froome isn't at the top of his form after the previous fall.

Shame Voeckler went solo today, the shorter stage tomorrow might have been a good one to attack, he's also crazy enough to attack the cobbles...lol

No sure I can take much more of his grimacing!

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Thomas+Voeckler+Liege+Bastogne+Liege+2012+o9eNbnV7PwDl.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
Garmin are the sort of team to use this stage to put some hurt on the GC riders & adopt some risky tactics. Talansky is the sort of gutsy rider willing to ride out of his comfort zone so early in the race. Vansummeren & Langeveld will be charging at the front I'd imagine.

http://youtu.be/uM8ZWs2TIQY


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
OGE: Quote from Matt White “It’s going to be a very nervous day,...Someone will lose the Tour de France tomorrow. For us, we obviously haven’t got that stress. We will give a couple of our guys, Mat Hayman and (Jens) Keukeleire, an opportunity to get a result tomorrow. I think you are going to see a big variety between the classics specialists and the guys who have never, or very rarely, ridden on cobbles.  It’ll make for great television, but I think the bunch is going to be spread out over a long period.”


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 10:20:07 PM
BMC have had a fine start to the Tour with TVG & Greg Van Avermaet both showing strongly. The team are certainly hoping to put Van Avermaet in yellow tomorrow. He has the cobble skills to do some damage, having raced Roubaix six times, often in the top 20 & a best result of 4th in 2013.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsCmbEvIIAApgCq.png)

Crucially the team car is in good position for punctures & mechanicals.

 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 11:06:13 PM
BMC have had a fine start to the Tour with TVG & Greg Van Avermaet both showing strongly. The team are certainly hoping to put Van Avermaet in yellow tomorrow. He has the cobble skills to do some damage, having raced Roubaix six times, often in the top 20 & a best result of 4th in 2013.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsCmbEvIIAApgCq.png)

Crucially the team car is in good position for punctures & mechanicals.

 

Team have pretty much hinted GVA will be given a freehand to go for a result, although the main priority is protecting TVG.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 11:19:51 PM
Final deliberations on Degenkolb v Demare v Kristoff in making the select group in the final. All have the right attributes to make top 3.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2014, 11:49:21 PM
Ok, my final selections.

I'm all about going against Cancellara, on the theory the stage is more of a lottery than normal, particularly with the dire weather forecast. The shorter stage length & the fact his team support cars are well back add further doubts. (Que a masterclass from Spartacus!)

Sagan 9/1 win. Best bike handler in the peloton, can win from distance or sprint from a reduced bunch. Has the ability to keep up with any power surges that may come from Cancellara or Vanmarcke.

Greg Van Avermaet 20/1 EW. Pretty sure the opportunity to ride into yellow is motivation in itself to be in the final mix. Never afraid to attack from afar, but rarely wins! perennial podium spots. Tomorrow is the best day to change that.

John Degenkolb 15/2 win. A fine 2nd in Roubaix, & fast in a sprint, he was close to Cav in the recent Tour of California. Giant are on form & the team will be all riding in support of him with no GC riders to worry about.

Sebastian Langeveld 80/1 EW, small banzai. Garmin have hinted they will unleash some risky tactics. If they pay off he could well benefit. Certainly has excellent form winning his National Road Race, & more than solid Roubaix record of seven starts, with a 7th & 8th finish in the previous two years.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFxksDIEw2c

Bernie Eisel with a camera.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 01:58:37 PM
Froome on the deck before the sight of any cobbles.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: icles test on July 09, 2014, 03:05:09 PM
Froome on the deck before the sight of any cobbles.

And done


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 03:12:04 PM
Froome on the deck before the sight of any cobbles.

And done

shame, but was looking like an inevitability.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 03:35:36 PM
Nibali looks up for it, looks like he fancies putting some serious time into Contador.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: icles test on July 09, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
Froome on the deck before the sight of any cobbles.

And done

shame, but was looking like an inevitability.

this stage has been a joke tbh. Im surprised noones changed for a BMX lol. Wouldnt it be worth taking the hit on such a ridiculous stage and some protective gear? Skys decision not to take wiggins is going to be crucified now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Acidmouse on July 09, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
Ridic is rain, its a lottery.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 09, 2014, 03:48:09 PM
Looks like carnage in the rain.

Some of these cobbles are a joke, not much better than farm tracks


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsG8zMHCEAAcAOx.png)

bike somersault!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Acidmouse on July 09, 2014, 04:05:31 PM
Sagan4win pls.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 04:06:35 PM
oh my Sagan riding cobbles with sunglasses nonchalantly in his mouth


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 09, 2014, 04:22:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsG8zMHCEAAcAOx.png)

bike somersault!

Cracking photo, amazed the guys following stayed upright. That has gotta take your concentration away seeing that yards in front of ya.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
Wow, incredible stage. Massive boost for Nibali.

Contador now over 2 minutes down on Nibali.

Porte comes into the frame.

Kwiatowski stronger than expected.

Talansky, TVG & Valverde hanging in.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 09, 2014, 05:35:52 PM
Great stage!

Reckon the results today can be discounted when it comes to form etc? Seems the Contador/Valverde group completely eased up  and played it safe  over the cobbles. Contador at almost 2/1 seems good to me!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 09, 2014, 05:46:06 PM
Great stage!

Reckon the results today can be discounted when it comes to form etc? Seems the Contador/Valverde group completely eased up  and played it safe  over the cobbles. Contador at almost 2/1 seems good to me!

Especially when you think that the reason Nibali went on the attack is that he knows he is going to lose time in the mountains, and needs as much of an advantage as possible.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2014, 11:09:58 PM
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/07/tour-de-france-stage-5-in-photos/

some great photos here

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2014-Tour-de-France-Stage-5-20.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2014, 02:18:09 PM
check out Jered Gruber's images, one of the best cycling photographers

https://www.flickr.com/photos/smashred/sets/72157645197000518/



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 12, 2014, 08:56:09 AM
why is Nairo Quintana not in the TdF?

Really enjoyed watching him last year, why would a team leave him out?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on July 12, 2014, 09:00:18 AM
why is Nairo Quintana not in the TdF?

Really enjoyed watching him last year, why would a team leave him out?
he based his season round the giro better mountains for him, hard to ride in more than 1 grand tour a season


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 10:15:18 AM
Back from a weekend here

(http://checkmywheels.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/SNETTERTON.jpg)

Just in time for today's stage

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2014/1000/PROFIL.png)

I have some Bastille Day interest in Pinot @ 18/1

Should be a cracker today


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on July 14, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Is it just me or has there been a lack of sprint stages in the first week compared to normal, I remember a few years back chipolini winning 5 or 6 stages before we hit mountains and he would climb off


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 01:55:59 PM
Is it just me or has there been a lack of sprint stages in the first week compared to normal, I remember a few years back chipolini winning 5 or 6 stages before we hit mountains and he would climb off

Think its been pretty standard. Kittel & his fellow sprinters do a great job getting within the time limit on mountain stages.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ironside on July 14, 2014, 02:00:07 PM
Yeah i know they do, but there hasnt been as many flat stages imho in first week, maybe i am imagining it but i always thought it was flat till the alps/ pryanise and it was always decided by a sprint or breakaway. I much prefer the climbs and the tactics of the mountain stages just thought it was odd we had so many tough stages so early


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
Contador crash! But back on the back eventually...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 14, 2014, 03:21:33 PM
Now gone


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 14, 2014, 03:22:15 PM
Contador has abandoned! This year's TdF is nuts.  :o


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 03:24:16 PM
The two overwhelming pre-race favourites are out of the TDF, and we're not even at the first rest day! Alps & Pyrenees still await!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 14, 2014, 03:32:14 PM
What happened with Contador? Commentator seemed to suggest his bike frame just collapsed?!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 14, 2014, 03:34:25 PM
Any banzi's out there for top 3 now the top two gone? or has the vaue already gone?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 03:35:35 PM
What happened with Contador? Commentator seemed to suggest his bike frame just collapsed?!

Cameras only caught the aftermath, not sure of the circumstances.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 03:38:31 PM
Any banzi's out there for top 3 now the top two gone? or has the vaue already gone?

Bookies, likely offer top 2 only now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 14, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
Any banzi's out there for top 3 now the top two gone? or has the vaue already gone?

Bookies, likely offer top 2 only now.

Bet365 are still paying 3 places. I've gone for Taaramae in the breakaway @ 28/1 and Peraud in the peloton @ 50/1. Both good climbers. Could backfire, but there is no value in backing the favourites.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
Proper tough rider, Martin rides almost to a stop, huge respect.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Doobs on July 14, 2014, 05:11:39 PM
Tried to back Kwiatkowski earlier at 66/1 for the overall not long after the Contador crash.  Paddies had definitely reformed the market as Nibali was 1/3.  I tried for a tenner, they did the usual and offered me £1.69.  I normally give up at this point, but though £100 is £100 why not, so I typed in £1.69.  They then offered me 25/1.  Words fail me on that firm.  He is 50/1 now, presumably I can have £2 at 20s. 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 14, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
Back from a weekend here

(http://checkmywheels.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/SNETTERTON.jpg)

Just in time for today's stage

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2014/1000/PROFIL.png)

I have some Bastille Day interest in Pinot @ 18/1

Should be a cracker today

Hope it was an each-way bet.  :)up


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 14, 2014, 05:29:25 PM
Any banzi's out there for top 3 now the top two gone? or has the vaue already gone?

Bookies, likely offer top 2 only now.

Bet365 are still paying 3 places. I've gone for Taaramae in the breakaway @ 28/1 and Peraud in the peloton @ 50/1. Both good climbers. Could backfire, but there is no value in backing the favourites.

Steward's enquiry ... I'd like to see the photo finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 05:32:04 PM
Back from a weekend here

(http://checkmywheels.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/SNETTERTON.jpg)

Just in time for today's stage

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2014/1000/PROFIL.png)

I have some Bastille Day interest in Pinot @ 18/1

Should be a cracker today

Hope it was an each-way bet.  :)up

Yep  :)

I think he's overcome his descending problems, if so he may feature strongly in the Alps. Shame he is a poor time trialer.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on July 14, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
Is it true a wheel came off one of the bikes on the roof-rack of the support car and that's what led Contador to crash? That's extremely unlucky.

Riding on despite having a fractured tibia demonstrates these people aren't human.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2014, 09:45:47 PM
Is it true a wheel came off one of the bikes on the roof-rack of the support car and that's what led Contador to crash? That's extremely unlucky.

Riding on despite having a fractured tibia demonstrates these people aren't human.

http://www.tinkoffsaxo.com/news/bjarne-riis-updates-albertos-crash-exit-status/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 09:29:55 AM
I lol @ Scarponi on his crash: “I thought – shit! I’m gonna crash! Then I thought – shit! there’s a lady in the way! and I yelled - ‘Hey lady!’ -”


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 09:34:45 AM
I lol @ Scarponi on his crash: “I thought – shit! I’m gonna crash! Then I thought – shit! there’s a lady in the way! and I yelled - ‘Hey lady!’ -”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0a5ikKNFWg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 12:29:40 PM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2014-05/Tour-de-France-Stage-11-1400751425.png)

Lumpy stage tomorrow, looking like a stage hunters opportunity.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/stage-11/winner

Difficult won to pick, especially after a rest day, riders often under perform after a day off.

I've a few names in mind, but awaiting some hints & info hopefully from the Press conferences.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bskprt6IcAAXrvv.jpg)

Unsung hero, Tiago Machado, massive crash, but finished over 40 minutes down.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 02:06:58 PM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2014-05/Tour-de-France-Stage-11-1400751425.png)

Lumpy stage tomorrow, looking like a stage hunters opportunity.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/stage-11/winner

Difficult won to pick, especially after a rest day, riders often under perform after a day off.

I've a few names in mind, but awaiting some hints & info hopefully from the Press conferences.



First drafted short list, 20 names ...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 05:05:16 PM
Cancellara toddles of home, one off the list.

Gerrans extends contract with OGE, extra incentive to get a win tomorrow?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 07:26:46 PM
Been liking the form of Greg Van Avermaet. With the option of making the break, going long, or waiting in a reduced sprint, 33/1 EW looks decent. (Baldfred offer 4 places). Betty has a few quid available top 3 10/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 08:35:29 PM
With Contador out, Tinkoff will be now looking for stage wins. Rogers or Roche? I'd be inclined to go with Roche, he's been a more attacking rider in recent years, his form is strong after winning Route du Sud. Those that can 50/1 EW with Baldfred.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 09:37:40 PM
Nibali's thoughts today:

Quote
"The Tour is not over, not by a long way," he said. "There are still a lot of stages to go before the finish. Anything can happen, there can surprises every day and there are big rivals like Porte and Valverde. They're the toughest ones.
 
"We've got to stay calm, stay tranquillo and study the situation. When something seems easy, sometimes it can get very difficult. I'm tranquil because the team is solid. So far we've managed the race well so far.
 
"For sure I've got to watch Pinot and Bardet, they've a bit behind but not by that much. On yesterday's stage Kwiatkowski gained more than four minutes at one point and that's an example of what can happen. They're all well prepared to do well at the Tour. I'll never underestimate anyone. I did that at the Vuelta (in 2013), we underestimated Horner, and he went on to win.
 
"My lead is good but if I can increase it, I'll do it. I don’t honestly remember the name of the next mountain finish but why not there?
 
"These first 10 days have been hard; there was no prologue, no transfer days. We're here at the rest day and I think it's important for everyone at the race.
 
"I don’t think they'll sit and wait. Valverde is here to do the GC and so is Porte. Richie is a good rider but it all depends on how he is going. He was good at the Dauphiné and worked hard for Froome. The day that Contador got the jersey, he did a massive turn and there were only four of us left on his wheel. That's how strong he is."
 
"I'm not happy about what happened to Alberto and to Chris. Starting the first climbs with them both in the race would have been better and more spectacular for everyone.
 
"The level was very high here and I felt good yesterday; we rode to win and I'm genuinely sorry for Alberto and Froome, they both sacrificed time to be at their best for the Tour. But there are other rivals here and its not only about the last two big winners, there are lots of important riders.
 
"This is the Tour de France and crashes are part of the game. I was behind Alberto on the descent. He'd overtaken me. I don’t know what happened, maybe he hit a hole or a stone but he went down hard and I tried to avoid him. I kept two metres between him and me and so avoided the worst.
 
"To be honest the stress of the race has been the hardest thing. On the stage with the pavé it was hugely stressful to stay at the front and avoid the crashes. Fortunately I had good support from the team. Even having yellow eased the stressed because we raced at the front."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2014, 09:50:45 PM
Last of my three bullets for tomorrow (may add one more tomorrow morning!)

Tom-Jelte Slagter. Garmin will be after stage wins with Talansky suffering from crash injuries & out of GC contention. Slagter was great in the hilly Classics this year & the stage has similarites. Quoted in the Dutch press that he has been given the green light to hunt for a stage win. Again 50/1 EW available in places.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2014, 04:13:17 PM
With Contador out, Tinkoff will be now looking for stage wins. Rogers or Roche? I'd be inclined to go with Roche, he's been a more attacking rider in recent years, his form is strong after winning Route du Sud. Those that can 50/1 EW with Baldfred.

Go Nico...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Acidmouse on July 16, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
With Contador out, Tinkoff will be now looking for stage wins. Rogers or Roche? I'd be inclined to go with Roche, he's been a more attacking rider in recent years, his form is strong after winning Route du Sud. Those that can 50/1 EW with Baldfred.

Go Nico...

this should be a fun finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2014, 04:24:44 PM
dammit his chance gone...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2014, 04:44:41 PM
bugger x 3.

TJS, attacked, but never really had the legs. Roche probably mistimed his attack, but a decent effort. GVA 7th in the sprint  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BorntoBubble on July 16, 2014, 06:02:43 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10314695_755139834533209_4423796073705126517_n.jpg?oh=ca8929dbd83d940ad04604c58be024a3&oe=54490EFF&__gda__=1413129031_153530a0c4893001395f84598467068c)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2014, 08:36:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10314695_755139834533209_4423796073705126517_n.jpg?oh=ca8929dbd83d940ad04604c58be024a3&oe=54490EFF&__gda__=1413129031_153530a0c4893001395f84598467068c)

Cool photo, when was that? Last year at the Tour?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2014, 08:38:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Ml8yz5B-c&list=UUuTaETsuCOkJ0H_GAztWt0Q

Pretty busy this week, but hopefully have time to look at this stage 14 on Saturday in the High Alps.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 16, 2014, 09:21:57 PM
Starting to feel a bit sorry for Sagan after today. Reminded me of Cav in the World Road Championships last time. Not sure why he didnt pursue Gallopin the second time he attack mind you, unless he had simply run out of energy


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2014, 10:20:27 PM
Starting to feel a bit sorry for Sagan after today. Reminded me of Cav in the World Road Championships last time. Not sure why he didnt pursue Gallopin the second time he attack mind you, unless he had simply run out of energy

Too talented for his own good!

Tactically he's getting found out, not surprising in one so young. It took ages for Cancellara to find a way to win. Not really helped being in a weakish team, although Cannondale did a decent job today. He really needs a stronger team with other riders that can finish off a race also, so he is not the only option come the final of each stage. Think he may be on the move next season.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 17, 2014, 12:08:13 AM
I think he is missing Cav being there too as he seems to tag onto Cav and his train a fair bit


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2014, 12:06:10 PM
Banzai of the day 150/1 Sep Vanmarcke, 125/1 available.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2014, 08:07:32 PM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2014-05/Tour-de-France-Stage-13-1400751496.png)

Tomorrow, climbers unleashed on the high mountains. We'll see true GC form I think.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
Valverde looking cool & collected...

Pinot & Bardet could be the danger men.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2014, 04:29:32 PM
Bloody hell Nibali is different class!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 18, 2014, 05:42:31 PM
Incredible from Nibali!

Would have been great to see him up against Froome and Contador. Looks a different class to the rest


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: icles test on July 18, 2014, 06:23:17 PM
Nibalis climbing has improved alot. Where have we seen this before.......


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2014, 11:07:39 PM
Tomorrow, feel that after Porte cracked, Sky will try & hit back. Mikel Nieve was looking comfortable today, but had to pace Porte on the final climb. He's won big stages in Grand Tours, & was the best behind Froome & Quintana on Mont Ventoux. I've got involved at 16/1, but 12/1 generally & a few quid at 14/1 on betty.

Any others will be inplay, once break has formed & any tactics start to become apparent.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2014, 11:27:23 AM
Tal's friend is Katusha's guest today

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs5Wx4tCUAA7G69.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on July 19, 2014, 11:44:19 AM
Ha!

Quieter time in the chess calendar (season broadly follows the football season, although there are still some tournaments in the summer). That's the world champion, Magnus Carlsen, with the jumper round his shoulders, for those who didn't get the reference.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: icles test on July 19, 2014, 12:47:25 PM
Sky made the same old mistake yesterday, thomas should have been allowed to stay in the pelaton as he still had a decent chance of getting a good placing in the overalls. There was no need for him to drop back and help porte aswell; there was already a supporter and porte is prone to when having a bad day, having a total mare, just like last year when in second. Sky did the same thing in wiggins pre tour win attempt and thomas threw away his young rider opportunity for nothing.

Last year when val verde had a mare everyone dropped off bar quintana who remained in the pelaton.

Naive imo just like the decision not to send wiggins.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 23, 2014, 11:04:48 AM
Just finished yesterdays stage, great stuff by Pinot!

Valverde seems to be struggling a bit on every climb. Reckon he's worth a lay at 1.6ish for podium?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
Back from a weeks business road trip.

So I've only caught the highlights. Been enjoying the French battle for the podium, my wallet wants Valverde back in the top three, but would still be disappointed if Pinot misses out, he rides with a sort of rebel panache!

Today will sort it

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/races/profilesmaps/2014-05/Tour-de-France-Stage-20-ITT-1400751721.png)

Tony Martin will again monster it, anything else will be astonishing.

Liking Tom Dumoulin for a top three.

Peraud has a top quality TT, he's got the guts & engine to stay ahead of his rivals for the podium.

Valverde's experience should see him beating Pinot imo.

Pinot has the advantage of measuring his effort against Valverde, & Marc Madiot shouting at him! I've also got in mind the ride Fabio Aru put in the Giro. Lying 4th, he rode the TT of his life in front of his home supporters, to finish a brilliant second. Pinot is certainly   improving in the TT, the crowds could give him wings.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: arbboy on July 26, 2014, 10:34:10 AM
when does the TDF finish?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 10:43:17 AM
when does the TDF finish?

Sunday in Paris. But today will sort the final two spots on the podium. The finish in Paris is all about the final sprint. Generally GC position is sort of set after today's stage, they just need to stay upright on the final day.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 10:48:00 AM
(http://scd.france24.com/fr/files_fr/imagecache/france24_ct_api_bigger_169/article/image/cheng-ji-giant-shimano.jpeg)

Special mention to Cheng Ji. First Chinese rider to ride & hopefully complete the TDF, he's the Lanterne Rouge, nearly 5 hours down  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
(http://scd.france24.com/fr/files_fr/imagecache/france24_ct_api_bigger_169/article/image/cheng-ji-giant-shimano.jpeg)

Special mention to Cheng Ji. First Chinese rider to ride & hopefully complete the TDF, he's the Lanterne Rouge, nearly 5 hours down  ;hattip;

First off in TT, & his comments after:

Quote
“In the first part of the course, I felt ok today. But from the second small hill onwards, I felt the pain in my legs. It was heavier and heavier, so I had to slow down, otherwise it could have hurt me and handicapped me in the future. I've had this pain for one week already. It goes from the left side of my left knee to my hip. I've been fighting against the pain for one week. Luckily during the second rest day and after, I've been treated by the doctor and the physiotherapist. I've changed shoes. My body has been taped. And finally, the pain has diminished, but it's still there. During the first rest day, I've made this bet that I'd finish the Tour and we're getting close."

All about suffering & finishing the race for so many. Why I love cycling & TDF.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOcu-mN3mCE&list=UUaq9glaC5kI626cMCBAwc3Q

This video made me chuckle, Cav in the team car, shouting & flinching.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
Go Tom Dumoulin,

2nd behind Martin at 1st check.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 03:49:44 PM
Go Tom Dumoulin,

2nd behind Martin at 1st check.

Finishes 2nd. 1.39 behind Martin. Hold please!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 04:32:09 PM
Go Tom Dumoulin,

2nd behind Martin at 1st check.

Finishes 2nd. 1.39 behind Martin. Hold please!

TVG & Nibali look to be only other riders capable of getting to Tom's time.

Valverde looks to be having a mare  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
A big team needs to sign Leo Konig, huge talent.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 04:53:52 PM
Bardet's puncture sees him slip to 6th overall by just 2 seconds. Too cruel.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 26, 2014, 05:00:07 PM
Go Tom Dumoulin,

2nd behind Martin at 1st check.

Finishes 2nd. 1.39 behind Martin. Hold please!

Holds.

Great ride from Tom. At only 23 & getting better.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 27, 2014, 11:28:04 AM
La Course race ahead of the men in Paris.

Kirsten Wild & Giorgia Bronzini are the two fastest sprinters. Had some interest @ 7/4 win & 8/1 EW. (only on skyhigh bet as far as I can see).

Marianne Vos is of course favourite @ 6/4, the best the world has seen. She'd need to find a way to win solo, & not sure that can happen easily on the Champs Elysees.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 27, 2014, 11:44:54 AM
Stage 21.

Kittel odds on favourite. Sure that's fine in the early stages, but he looks to have suffered badly in the mountains. It's really a case of guessing if he has recovered well enough. I'm taking the view he's lacking some power & sharpness.

One sprinter for sure who still has power & form I think is Kristoff. Katusha have no sprint train to match Giant or Lotto, but do have Luca Paolini (a noticable last in the TT & likely saving energy for today) to look after Kristoff in the final. 5/1 available, not really value but have had a small wager on the win.

Fun banzai on a Dual Forecast Kristoff / Renshaw @ 50/1. OPQS are sure to be involved & Renshaw has the experience on the Champs Elysees to get up into second.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 27, 2014, 01:32:20 PM
http://youtu.be/wBIe5r5xrKg?list=UUV9vvIQ8gxceqrBkn-P7rlw

Always worth watching the OGE videos. This is stage 19, the nasty weather, onboard cameras...& crash.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on August 28, 2014, 05:19:56 PM
What a stage that was!

Have there ever been this many big guns all in the same tour before? Incredible finish!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on August 28, 2014, 06:13:45 PM
What a stage that was!

Have there ever been this many big guns all in the same tour before? Incredible finish!

Looks like being a cracking contest this year. Hard to pick a winner from that bunch. Here's a link for anyone who missed it:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=Last+6+Km+of+Stage+6+-+Finishing+Climb&dashboard=vuelta-a-espana&id=hKF6a7bH2_Q&yr=2014


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on September 02, 2014, 01:39:43 AM
Got £50 on Tony Martin to win today, he better not mess up!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on September 02, 2014, 05:47:31 PM
That was tighter than I had hoped, I'd not really looked into the stage much other than knowing it was a 36km time trial, hadn't realised the first 1/3 of the route was quite that hard!

Anyway, thankfully Tony Martin pulled through and made me some free money.

Interesting thing about the stage for me was that Cancellara actually came home (after the top of the climb) marginally quicker than Tony Martin if you look at the splits.  If he comes of the back of the Veulta with good form and gets his final preparation right, he might just cause a mini upset at the Worlds.  Maybe worth a bet if anywhere is offering a decent price.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on September 02, 2014, 05:49:55 PM
Paddy Power currently offering Cancellara at 7-1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on September 03, 2014, 03:37:31 AM
Paddy Power currently offering Cancellara at 7-1

I would say that is a very good price for a cover bet. The TT today really didn't suit Martin ... and yet he still won. I'd back Martin to win the World Champs any day of the week. Pity I don't currently have the bankroll to make it worth my while, factoring in the risk of punctures, crashes, flu, etc. By the way, well done on the win today. Much better 4/7 odds than say backing Man Utd to win every week. Some bets are just better value.  :)up


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 08, 2014, 05:30:33 PM
This is probably a controversial viewpoint but in my mind Contador is juiced.
He had been pretty ordinary post ban ala riding clean, but at the Tour de France I thought he showed too much improvement before injury.

Now at the Vuelta he was meant to be riding to regain fitness following a broken leg, but just looks ridic better than everyone else. Recovering from a broken lg is hard especially when going uphill and over bumps. No way IMO he can naturally recover that quick!!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on September 08, 2014, 07:11:18 PM
Loved that today, Contador bossing it!


Bit out of order to accuse him of juicing I reckon. Would never get away with it in this day and age surely


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 20, 2014, 04:58:31 PM
Back for the closing races of the season.

All the big names racing in National colours & teams in the road race on 28th.

(http://www.mundialciclismoponferrada.com/imagenes/imagenes/6948546.jpg)

(http://www.mundialciclismoponferrada.com/imagenes/imagenes/273861.jpg)


Some thoughts this week.

Parcours looks to suit powerful riders with sprint capabilities. Of course teams like Italy & Spain will be trying to blunt them by setting a blistering pace.





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 21, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSHt_xnzXs

Specialized-Lululemon take their third consecutive TTT world title. Their closest rivals, Rabo-Liv, had a nasty crash.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 21, 2014, 12:52:53 PM
Interesting case put for the chances of Nacer Bouhanni.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/worlds-can-bouhanni-survive-the-climbs

French political infighting within the team makes me wary.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 21, 2014, 01:11:43 PM
Bookies now generally priced Orica a shade ahead of OPQS in the market.

Will be interesting, OPQS in training did look smooth & well drilled, Boonen looks in great shape. Will be exceptionally fast, expecting average 52/53 km/hr. Hope the weather holds for all teams to give a fair result.

http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/sporten/v-wielrennen/WK_Wielrennen/MV_140920_wk_training_opqs_lotto


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 22, 2014, 10:29:32 AM
Ireland have huge hopes for Ryan Mullen in todays U23 ITT. Looks a three way battle between Mullen, Kung & Flakemore. Kung could edge it with the advantage of going off last.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 22, 2014, 11:00:03 AM
Ireland have huge hopes for Ryan Mullen in todays U23 ITT. Looks a three way battle between Mullen, Kung & Flakemore. Kung could edge it with the advantage of going off last.

Casper Folsach under rated & better than 200/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 23, 2014, 08:37:13 PM
Women's RR on Saturday. Voss an obvious winner. But taken a couple of small ew at Skuy (top 4) on Evelyn Stevens & Pauline Ferrand-Prevot, both in fine form.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2014, 10:19:34 AM
Big Tony going for his 4th World ITT jersey today. Only Wiggins can possibly get close.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/bradley-wiggins/11117064/Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-is-in-the-form-to-beat-Tony-Martin-in-the-world-championship-time-trial-says-Rod-Ellingworth.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2014, 03:39:04 PM
Wiggins ahead of Martin on early checks...interesting!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2014, 03:59:29 PM
Wow wp Sir! what an incredible enigma



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on September 24, 2014, 04:11:27 PM
Cracking ride there from Wiggo. Beating Tony Martin by 26sec. ;gobsmacked; But why bother shaving your legs when you've got a beard like that?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 24, 2014, 08:37:22 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByUSQt9IMAAgSnI.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 25, 2014, 12:04:32 PM
Missed this earlier in the year

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN2pMR1oUQA

chuckled at the poor young Colombian rider getting stick for nearly falling off in the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 26, 2014, 10:48:16 AM
http://www.mundialciclismoponferrada.com/descargas/categoria18/categoria20/4988905.pdf

Men's RR selections confirmed.

Plenty of debate in Spain on how tough or not the course is. The U23 this afternoon should give a decent pointer.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/world-championships/u23-road-race/winner

Been steered every which way, & ended with Power, Zepuntke, Kung, Tuens & Cort Nielson.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2014, 05:58:05 PM
Women's RR on Saturday. Voss an obvious winner. But taken a couple of small ew at Skuy (top 4) on Evelyn Stevens & Pauline Ferrand-Prevot, both in fine form.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByjPISECYAAszOJ.jpg)

Nice job Pauline  ;applause; :)up classy rider now added the Worlds road to National TT & Mountain & Cross titles.

Turned my Worlds betting around @ 33/1 winner.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
World Men's Road Race.

Unpredictable & open race. A lot depends on how hard & how early the pace is picked up. Weather forecast shows some chance of rain late afternoon making the descents trickier.

I do actually like the chances of Australia & Gerrans, a strong favourite. But that's the problem, he'll be heavily marked & how does Australia try & control a race in the later stages.
 
Where my money lies, all ew.

Got an early position on Greg Van Avermaet @ 22/1, now been backed in to 14/1. Happy with that & his form, but concerned Belgium have too many chiefs.

Despite reservations on the French teams, I've gone with Nacer Bouhanni. Fastest sprinter in the field if it comes down to a bunch sprint, & he shown this season he can hang on on the climbs, not bad in the wet if it comes to it. I have 40/1, but PP have 50/1 (paying top 5).

Bit left field, Michael Albasini, Swiss rider could get away while the favourites watch each other. Has purple patches, remember Tour de Romandie, & won his last race Tre Valli Varesine. 100/1 generally around, choral still at 150/1.

Poland for the first time have a full 9 man team. Michal Kwiatkowski will be the sole leader. Has the ability to appear at the final stages of big races & be in the mix for the win. His performances in the Ardennes classics & recent strong showing at the Tour of Britain give me some confidence this race could be his. Not sure why his price has drifted through the week, but 20/1 generally available.

Finally why do I have a nagging feeling I should be betting Sagan? Was his roll around Spain in the Vuelta a ploy to lull everyone into thinking his form is way off. At around 10/1 everyone sure will look stupid if he nails it on Sunday on a parcours that's absolutely made for him. Earlier in the year he would have been joint favourite with Gerrans.

Whats everyone's thoughts?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2014, 09:18:22 PM
Not fully clear who Italy will be riding for, Nibali I assume. But Aru will surely still have some decent form coming out of the Vuelta. Price 200/1  ;) He has no track record over long one day races, but has pretty good strength & instinct on this sort of finish if still involved at the final.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on September 28, 2014, 03:44:40 AM
Looking forward to this tomorrow (actually later today!), but it really is the equivalent of a cavalry charge. I'm liking the chances of pure sprinters with a little climbing ability, and astute cyclists who know the best time to attack the peloton. Like Tonji, I have gone for Nacer Bouhanni anywhere between 40/1 and 50/1, Kristoff somewhere around 18/1, and Degenkolb to recoup my costs. Not on GvA (though probably should be), and Trentin isn't riding.

My banzais are Bozic, Kennaugh, Hansen, Impey, D. Martin, LL Sanchez, Stybar, A. Yates, Clarke, Bennati (all on the machine). A lot of bases covered there, so take your pick. Just think that the favourites will all be well covered, and this looks like a parcours where it will be really hard to get away. Could take a big gamble by a complete unknown. If I had to pick only one rider today, it would be Lars Boom. I think this layout suits his style perfectly ... but alas, he is not riding.

Serious aftertiming here, but I actually backed Rui Costa last year at 150/1. Been brought back down to earth since then, but I remember that I backed at least 8 riders last year as well. Not as easy as picking a grand tour stage then.

PS. Well done Tonji on picking Prevost in the Ladies RR. Not my forte unfortunately, but I missed your post, so I didn't have an interest. 33/1 is not a bad result at all. You've still got it.

PPS. I quite like Kristoff for this. More so than Gerrans or Sagan ... and definitely Valverde.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2014, 10:23:40 AM
Good luck cws, here's hoping one of us can snaffle a winner.

Wet start.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bym65_SIYAA1xwj.png)

Let's hope they all get round safely.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2014, 02:17:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BynuBNmIIAEqHuf.png)

The Italians have taken over at the front of the bunch. Nibali crashed earlier, hoping Aru is up for this.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2014, 02:32:47 PM
Albasini in a counter attack, too early I think.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2014, 03:28:47 PM
20km to go plenty of big names still there, still wide open race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2014, 03:57:08 PM
Michal whoopp!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
Michal whoopp!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByoL1pwIcAAoJoW.png)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 01, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2010/giro-di-lombardia/240-PIC69052524.jpg)

Il Lombardia on Sunday.

Giro route is announced on Monday.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX6RFV51pOE


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 04, 2014, 10:55:59 AM
Three bets placed for Lombardia.

Aru 33/1 ew.

Uran 50/1 ew.

Gallopin 40/1 ew.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 04, 2014, 11:06:41 AM
Three bets placed for Lombardia.

Aru 33/1 ew.

Uran 50/1 ew.

Gallopin 40/1 ew.

added Jelle Vanendert 100/1 ew. He's been concentrated on one day races this year with some success. Also strong at the recent Grand Prix de Wallonie.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 05, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Blanked in that.

But pleased for Dan Martin  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on March 25, 2015, 05:45:32 AM
Wow. Been a while since I've posted in here, but here goes...

Today sees the 3rd stage of the Volta a Catalunya as well as the Dwars door Vlaanderen.

In the former, Alejandro Valverde is a worthy 7/4 favourite to win after yesterday's sterling performance in a reduced bunch sprint. Today should see him sprinting for the win again, but only against a bunch of climbers this time around. He desperately needs the 10sec winner's time bonus, as he currently sits a massive 2:40 behind the leader.

In the latter, Niki Terpstra is a worthy 7/2 favourite after winning 3 of the last 4 editions of the race. 2nd favourite is his Etixx-QuickStep teammate Michal Kwiatkowski, who is rumoured to be there only to satisfy the sponsors by having the world champion competing.

I suggest backing the win-double at ShoutyRedMan for combined odds of approximately 11/1. You'll have to use their search function to find the markets though. BetEveryDayOfTheYear only offers about 9/1 in comparison. Still worth it if you ask me. Don't go crazy though.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 25, 2015, 08:07:56 AM
Wow. Been a while since I've posted in here, but here goes...

Today sees the 3rd stage of the Volta a Catalunya as well as the Dwars door Vlaanderen.

In the former, Alejandro Valverde is a worthy 7/4 favourite to win after yesterday's sterling performance in a reduced bunch sprint. Today should see him sprinting for the win again, but only against a bunch of climbers this time around. He desperately needs the 10sec winner's time bonus, as he currently sits a massive 2:40 behind the leader.

In the latter, Niki Terpstra is a worthy 7/2 favourite after winning 3 of the last 4 editions of the race. 2nd favourite is his Etixx-QuickStep teammate Michal Kwiatkowski, who is rumoured to be there only to satisfy the sponsors by having the world champion competing.

I suggest backing the win-double at ShoutyRedMan for combined odds of approximately 11/1. You'll have to use their search function to find the markets though. BetEveryDayOfTheYear only offers about 9/1 in comparison. Still worth it if you ask me. Don't go crazy though.

terpstra looks soild, but went for a bit of ew value on Debusschere, 18/1 with pp. had a reasonable start to season, 12th in the omloop and 7th in KBK, could be riding himself into some good form and field not as strong here as those races.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 28, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
well done CWS & Nell for popping in. Finding time to post is difficult at the mo, but I'll throw a few things in when time is available.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj6TVPteV9A

Impressive strong ride by Thomas at E3, super strong. Can't see how Sky can not have him leading at P-R. Despite Wiggins wanting leadership there, he needs to prove he's in shape, & not shown it yet.

Any thoughts on Flanders? I've got a Vanmarcke ticket at 6/1, shown he's in great shape, but yet to finish anything off. Tactically he can be a bit flaky.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 28, 2015, 06:53:27 PM
well done CWS & Nell for popping in. Finding time to post is difficult at the mo, but I'll throw a few things in when time is available.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj6TVPteV9A

Impressive strong ride by Thomas at E3, super strong. Can't see how Sky can not have him leading at P-R. Despite Wiggins wanting leadership there, he needs to prove he's in shape, & not shown it yet.

Any thoughts on Flanders? I've got a Vanmarcke ticket at 6/1, shown he's in great shape, but yet to finish anything off. Tactically he can be a bit flaky.

i think stannard and thomas should be the main men for P-R, i like stannard if its a wet version. wiggo win would be the dream but i cant see it happening. is he not planning on a warm up over the cobbles?

flanders i had 5's on cancellera so thats gone out the window! vanmarcke and standar were my original thoughts after cancellera's injury, etixx will be strong as always. vanmarcke will be a danger if chosing an aggressive strategy, he was proactive at e3, just didnt work out for him


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 29, 2015, 11:01:44 AM
ghent - wevelgem today, like the profile of degenkolb, 15/2 with pp. due to wet weather forecast i couldnt resist stannard at 50's(!)paddy paying 4 places also


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 29, 2015, 11:21:43 AM
ghent - wevelgem today, like the profile of degenkolb, 15/2 with pp. due to wet weather forecast i couldnt resist stannard at 50's(!)paddy paying 4 places also

gl Nell, I'm hoping the wind blows & Etixx blow the race open with echelons. Small EW interest in Matteo Trentin at 33/1 here.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 29, 2015, 11:46:50 AM
ghent - wevelgem today, like the profile of degenkolb, 15/2 with pp. due to wet weather forecast i couldnt resist stannard at 50's(!)paddy paying 4 places also

gl Nell, I'm hoping the wind blows & Etixx blow the race open with echelons. Small EW interest in Matteo Trentin at 33/1 here.

he went well at e3, and etixx are always super strong, such depth for the classics, so good chance of a sweat. glgl


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 29, 2015, 01:42:46 PM
Reports of lots of crashes and injuries, Cav also down. Could be a small group that comes to the finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 29, 2015, 04:52:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBRjIDmXEAEyGvl.jpg)

Wind blows Thomas into a ditch, but he's a tough nut & back up into the front chase group.  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 29, 2015, 05:25:58 PM
"HEAD & HEART" - Chapeau Luca Paolini. Great race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 29, 2015, 05:27:47 PM
"HEAD & HEART" - Chapeau Luca Paolini. Great race.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBRrdWLWYAEh-yu.png)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 29, 2015, 05:39:16 PM
"HEAD & HEART" - Chapeau Luca Paolini. Great race.

sounds like a mad race, been out the house so need to watch the highlights. nice win for paolini, good to see given the graft he puts in for kristoff


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 09, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JTcq8L3i4g

Perfect weather for today's recon. Sorely tempted to hop over the Channel for the weekend  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2015, 10:44:33 AM
Wiggins is the main feature in the french ads for P-R, they love him.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjteMbo9KoA


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 10:00:09 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93aaYhzyCa4

Degenkolb & Vanmarcke investments, but will be delighted to see Wiggo top 3. Riders off in a few minutes to properly bury themselves & eat dust for the next six hours.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 10:11:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCYLhTfWIAAgVYe.jpg)

man to beat.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCYLhT4W4AAzj6c.jpg)

last day of road work



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 10:21:57 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCYIuQoWEAAWW8f.jpg)

cycling cool Go Degs


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 01:28:31 PM
approaching the first major test, the Forest of Arenberg

(http://images.cyclingtips.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ForestOfArenberg.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 01:39:42 PM
only in cycling

Sporza reports Sagan is at the side of the road, doing a #2  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
all favourites seem to be safely though Arenberg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 02:08:45 PM
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TGV train interrupts play

Thomas hits the tarmac.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 03:14:58 PM
40km remain, still a big group with most of the favourites with team mates plus some dangerous outsiders, great stuff.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
Wiggo makes his move 30km to go.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2015, 04:09:57 PM
Fine job Degs!  ;applause; ;applause;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 14, 2015, 04:19:18 PM
De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow.

Pretty keen on Tony Gallopin in this. Lotto Soudal have confirmed he is joint leader with Ligthart. 3rd last year & has looked stronger this season. Also has changed his approach to the classics this year, focusing on the Ardennes races. 18/1 EW with PP (I'm back in business with em thanks to a neighbour).


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 15, 2015, 04:40:14 PM
De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow.

Pretty keen on Tony Gallopin in this. Lotto Soudal have confirmed he is joint leader with Ligthart. 3rd last year & has looked stronger this season. Also has changed his approach to the classics this year, focusing on the Ardennes races. 18/1 EW with PP (I'm back in business with em thanks to a neighbour).

managed to miss this yesterday, big fan of gallopin, been in good form this season in races not necessarily suited to him, glgl


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 15, 2015, 07:13:38 PM
De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow.

Pretty keen on Tony Gallopin in this. Lotto Soudal have confirmed he is joint leader with Ligthart. 3rd last year & has looked stronger this season. Also has changed his approach to the classics this year, focusing on the Ardennes races. 18/1 EW with PP (I'm back in business with em thanks to a neighbour).

managed to miss this yesterday, big fan of gallopin, been in good form this season in races not necessarily suited to him, glgl

hit the crossbar, he was 4th.

On to the Amstel Gold Race next.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 16, 2015, 08:14:07 AM
De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow.

Pretty keen on Tony Gallopin in this. Lotto Soudal have confirmed he is joint leader with Ligthart. 3rd last year & has looked stronger this season. Also has changed his approach to the classics this year, focusing on the Ardennes races. 18/1 EW with PP (I'm back in business with em thanks to a neighbour).

managed to miss this yesterday, big fan of gallopin, been in good form this season in races not necessarily suited to him, glgl

hit the crossbar, he was 4th.

On to the Amstel Gold Race next.



for the amstel i like kwiatkowski, 8/1 looks good to break gilbert's domination on the cauberg. interesting cycling weekly tip him up as the outright favourite, they mustn't check oddschecker before writing their preview  :)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/amstel-gold-race/winner

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/amstel-gold-race-2015-preview-166683


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2015, 11:56:12 AM
De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow.

Pretty keen on Tony Gallopin in this. Lotto Soudal have confirmed he is joint leader with Ligthart. 3rd last year & has looked stronger this season. Also has changed his approach to the classics this year, focusing on the Ardennes races. 18/1 EW with PP (I'm back in business with em thanks to a neighbour).

managed to miss this yesterday, big fan of gallopin, been in good form this season in races not necessarily suited to him, glgl

hit the crossbar, he was 4th.

On to the Amstel Gold Race next.



for the amstel i like kwiatkowski, 8/1 looks good to break gilbert's domination on the cauberg. interesting cycling weekly tip him up as the outright favourite, they mustn't check oddschecker before writing their preview  :)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/amstel-gold-race/winner

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/amstel-gold-race-2015-preview-166683

Gilbert pretty much owns this race. Kwitkowski certainly on my short list, Matthews also can go close imo. But I think I might be looking for a value outsider this year. Already have Henao @ 100/1 EW. Just a hunch a late attack from a strong in form rider can brake the usual charge up the Cauberg on the last lap. Just waiting for some hints from the teams on tactics, normally in the next few days.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Enjoyed these behind the scenes P-R vids

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crh-n4xEnvc

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKh1LahT-s


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 17, 2015, 11:05:07 PM
came up with diego ulissi e/w as a lively outsider at 150/1 to back up kwitiatkowski punt, finger crossed!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2015, 11:08:20 PM
came up with diego ulissi e/w as a lively outsider at 150/1 to back up kwitiatkowski punt, finger crossed!

gl nell

reading up at the moment....


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 18, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
Amstel.

Have pondered. Liking the talk & morale within Team Giant - Alpecin at the moment. Tom Dumoulin has been confirmed as sole leader. A home boy, knows the roads, & Amstel is one of his prime targets this season. His immense ITT at Pais Vasco confirms he's 100%. Will tactically need to establish a break on the final circuit, but has the experience now to perhaps make one stick, of course will need some luck, but a classy rider sure to go all out for the win. Taken 40/1 win only.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 19, 2015, 10:09:28 AM
Struggling to see a lot of value in the Amstel betting, I think the win is wide open and Gilbert is way too short at 3/1, Valverde at 11/2 seems about right but tees is no stand out favourite for this in my opinion.

I also know that Dan Martin fancies his chances and believes he can win this race and I think he'll go very close.

I agree Ulissi at 150/1 looks a decent outside bet and almost went for that bet myself.

In the end I've gone for an outrageous outsider at 250/1 e/w in Diego Rosa.  Nathan Haas also has an outside chance at the same price.

I'll also have a few quid on Dan to win as I'd love to see him win this one.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
Struggling to see a lot of value in the Amstel betting, I think the win is wide open and Gilbert is way too short at 3/1, Valverde at 11/2 seems about right but tees is no stand out favourite for this in my opinion.

I also know that Dan Martin fancies his chances and believes he can win this race and I think he'll go very close.

I agree Ulissi at 150/1 looks a decent outside bet and almost went for that bet myself.

In the end I've gone for an outrageous outsider at 250/1 e/w in Diego Rosa.  Nathan Haas also has an outside chance at the same price.

I'll also have a few quid on Dan to win as I'd love to see him win this one.

I'd noticed Dan has been talking up his form, hope he goes well for you.

I'll also have an eye on Michael Valgren, leading Tinkoff, talented youngster.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 19, 2015, 10:53:31 AM
Struggling to see a lot of value in the Amstel betting, I think the win is wide open and Gilbert is way too short at 3/1, Valverde at 11/2 seems about right but tees is no stand out favourite for this in my opinion.

I also know that Dan Martin fancies his chances and believes he can win this race and I think he'll go very close.

I agree Ulissi at 150/1 looks a decent outside bet and almost went for that bet myself.

In the end I've gone for an outrageous outsider at 250/1 e/w in Diego Rosa.  Nathan Haas also has an outside chance at the same price.

I'll also have a few quid on Dan to win as I'd love to see him win this one.

I'd noticed Dan has been talking up his form, hope he goes well for you.

I'll also have an eye on Michael Valgren, leading Tinkoff, talented youngster.



I have friends who Know Dan Martin personally and I know he's confident of his form and when he's talki like that he usually does pretty well :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2015, 12:59:37 PM
10/1 for Joaquim Rodríguez at L-B-L looks too big to me. Best climber in Pais Vasco, looks to have timed his form perfectly for Ardennes week. I also seem to remember a comment from his agent that Leige is his main objective this week.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 19, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
Could have done without Nibali riding across to that break, Rosa is going to cook himself now pushing on for Nibali.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 19, 2015, 03:53:01 PM
FML, and now he falls off!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Would of hoped for Dumoulin to be in the counter attacked. Good to see Henao up the front


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 19, 2015, 04:33:28 PM
De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow.

Pretty keen on Tony Gallopin in this. Lotto Soudal have confirmed he is joint leader with Ligthart. 3rd last year & has looked stronger this season. Also has changed his approach to the classics this year, focusing on the Ardennes races. 18/1 EW with PP (I'm back in business with em thanks to a neighbour).

managed to miss this yesterday, big fan of gallopin, been in good form this season in races not necessarily suited to him, glgl

hit the crossbar, he was 4th.

On to the Amstel Gold Race next.



for the amstel i like kwiatkowski, 8/1 looks good to break gilbert's domination on the cauberg. interesting cycling weekly tip him up as the outright favourite, they mustn't check oddschecker before writing their preview  :)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/amstel-gold-race/winner

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/amstel-gold-race-2015-preview-166683

wd nell

Kwiatowski top ride from him.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 19, 2015, 05:39:25 PM
De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow.

Pretty keen on Tony Gallopin in this. Lotto Soudal have confirmed he is joint leader with Ligthart. 3rd last year & has looked stronger this season. Also has changed his approach to the classics this year, focusing on the Ardennes races. 18/1 EW with PP (I'm back in business with em thanks to a neighbour).

managed to miss this yesterday, big fan of gallopin, been in good form this season in races not necessarily suited to him, glgl

hit the crossbar, he was 4th.

On to the Amstel Gold Race next.



for the amstel i like kwiatkowski, 8/1 looks good to break gilbert's domination on the cauberg. interesting cycling weekly tip him up as the outright favourite, they mustn't check oddschecker before writing their preview  :)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/amstel-gold-race/winner

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/amstel-gold-race-2015-preview-166683

wd nell

Kwiatowski top ride from him.

tyty. will make watching the highlights later all the sweeter  ;nanana;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 20, 2015, 10:42:25 AM
Fleche Wallone on Wednesday

Have gone with Gilbert at 14/1 which looks like great value to me.

He looked strong up the Cauberg in Amstel Gold and distanced everybody other than Matthews when he attacked.  His team look super strong and he knows how to win on the Mur so will definitely be there or there abouts at the finish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Slykllist on April 20, 2015, 10:48:45 AM
Interesting name in the results from Amstel Gold
   
7th Julian Alaphilippe (Fra) Etixx - Quick-Step

Not yet 23 years old, I don't think it will be long until this guy takes a big win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 20, 2015, 11:13:44 AM
Fleche Wallone on Wednesday

Have gone with Gilbert at 14/1 which looks like great value to me.

He looked strong up the Cauberg in Amstel Gold and distanced everybody other than Matthews when he attacked.  His team look super strong and he knows how to win on the Mur so will definitely be there or there abouts at the finish.

14's is great, yeh. will do split stakes with dan martin at 8's i think


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 20, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
Interesting name in the results from Amstel Gold
   
7th Julian Alaphilippe (Fra) Etixx - Quick-Step

Not yet 23 years old, I don't think it will be long until this guy takes a big win.

even more impressive as hes a sprinter, so not exactly the course for him


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 20, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
Dan Martin's best result ever in Amstel, surely that form should see a podium at Fleche & L-B-L.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 20, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
Dan Martin's best result ever in Amstel, surely that form should see a podium at Fleche & L-B-L.

PP are a stand out 9/1 for L-B-L


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 26, 2015, 09:48:33 AM
wanted to be with martin here, but crash on wednesday not ideal. can never seem to catch rodriquez at the right time, so have to leave him alone. kwiat thinks valverde is a strong favourite but not sure if i can bite the bullet and take 3's on him. record on riders winning multiple times in the ardennes is good, and the new route suits. everything seems in his favour, so will grow a pair and go on him  ;first;

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/whiplash-wont-stop-dan-martin-from-starting-lige-bastogne-lige

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/liege-bastogne-liege-2015/preview

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kwiatkowski-tips-valverde-as-the-big-favourite-for-lige-bastogne-lige

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/liege-bastogne-liege/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 26, 2015, 10:49:29 AM
Got Dan (pre crash) & Rodriguez (pre dip in form)  :(

Both good enough to turn in a top performance. Optimist!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 26, 2015, 12:24:04 PM
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Rasmus Quaade. Best moustache in the peloton in the days break.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 26, 2015, 04:31:15 PM
astana worked very well to try and set it up for nibali all day, who i fancied about 20km out. gutsy ride by gilbert, clearly hammpered by injury . Alaphillipe has come from nowhere to be super strong, promising future. no luck for martin again. maybes lombardia again will be his. surprised kwiat wasn't in the mix, maybe the pressure of being no.1 rider 3 times in a week was too much for him at this age. valverde peerless in that kind of finish, what a week eh, 2nd in amstel and won fleche wallone and lbl  ;yippee;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 27, 2015, 09:58:41 AM
Nice going Nell  ;hattip;

Next, Tour de Yorkshire on 1st May & Giro d'Italia on the 9th.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 27, 2015, 10:24:46 AM
Nice going Nell  ;hattip;

Next, Tour de Yorkshire on 1st May & Giro d'Italia on the 9th.

forgot Tour de Romandie tomorrow


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 27, 2015, 10:39:32 AM
Nice going Nell  ;hattip;

Next, Tour de Yorkshire on 1st May & Giro d'Italia on the 9th.

for the giro i'm very much in the rigoberto uran camp, contador the class act but the giro-tour double is so tough, with the tour his major target will he be peaking for the giro? team is woeful form, riis left under a cloud, a bit chaotic. porte obviously crushing it at present, but as the aussie article (normally pro-porte) says can he maintain it all the way through. poor/distrurbing prep from aru, and if astana re-route nibali then its not ideal also for him when his focus is the tour. go past them in the betting and you are very thin on grand tour podium contenders. i have my doubts about whether uran has it in him to be a grand tour winner, but he was unlucky last year with the neutralised descent fiasco, and can't see him off the podium (barring accidents) so an e/w play on him looks like my play at 8/1

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/04/27/richie-porte-is-on-fire-but-will-he-burn-out-before-the-giro/

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 28, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
Tour de Romandie. I'm going against Froome & Quintana this week. I doubt both are not at 100% with the Tour still some time away. I'm thinking Uran should be a strong top 3, especially with the Giro so close. With the TTT today to get an early advantage & I can see him putting in a strong showing this week & by the final ITT should be close enough for the win or podium. 10/1 EW.

Was tempted by Spilak also, with the weather forecast, he seems to put in his best races when it's wet. But fear Katusha will struggle in the TTT.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 28, 2015, 04:06:52 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-of-yorkshire/winner

What am I missing here? Sky price Kittel evens, no way coming back from illness. Yorkshire lad Swift must be a marginal favourite, 7/2 looks about right. 7/1 a steal!

Had a quick look at stages, & stage 3

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Final%20GC-1421846868.jpg)

is right in his zone. Kittel will likely struggle stay in the lead group & loose chunks of time.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 29, 2015, 10:14:22 AM
swift into slight favourtism, looks about right. if ciolek can stay with the group i'd like his chances, 12/1 ew might be a play. hopefully it is a success, i was in harrogate for stage 1 of the tour last year and the atmosphere was great.

hoping for a good showing from uran in tour de romandie so he can carry that form into the giro, good luck!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 29, 2015, 10:41:06 AM
Didn't expect Katusha to put in the TTT they did. Spilak v Froome at the moment.

Have followed you in on Uran at the Giro.

Also have in mind a play with Movistar, but not sure yet on who will lead at the Giro, Izagirre or Intxausti.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 01, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-of-yorkshire/winner

What am I missing here? Sky price Kittel evens, no way coming back from illness. Yorkshire lad Swift must be a marginal favourite, 7/2 looks about right. 7/1 a steal!

Had a quick look at stages, & stage 3

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Final%20GC-1421846868.jpg)

is right in his zone. Kittel will likely struggle stay in the lead group & loose chunks of time.



you were right about kittel not being able to win coming back from illness, hard lines on the swift crash out  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 07, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/points-classification

Interesting market. Greipel & Matthews could both well quit the Giro early, with both having ambitions in the Tour. You need to finish the race to win the red jeresy.

I've taken some on Modolo, on form in the Tour of Turkey & should make the finish barring accidents.

Also, Mezgec. Should have the best lead out train in Team Giant - Alpecin, & was strong towards the end of last years race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 08, 2015, 10:16:14 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/points-classification

Interesting market. Greipel & Matthews could both well quit the Giro early, with both having ambitions in the Tour. You need to finish the race to win the red jeresy.

I've taken some on Modolo, on form in the Tour of Turkey & should make the finish barring accidents.

Also, Mezgec. Should have the best lead out train in Team Giant - Alpecin, & was strong towards the end of last years race.

market is all over the place here, i like mezgec, will have the full support of giant-alpecin, which means he should be in the mix on every flatish stage. might not win too many, but should keep grinding the points out. Bling may well get a few early wins, but orica are all about getting the leaders jersey early (day 1) then defending it for a week. past that they'll focus on Chaves in the mountains and bling can go home i'd say. Never been a griepel man, couldn't back him. Modolo will be another to possibily grab a few stage wins, very open market, think you've nailed the 2 to be on


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 08, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
modolo 11/10 with beteveryday to win a stage, would have thought he'd be odds on for a win? guys like viviani and valle are 5/6


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 08, 2015, 10:28:27 AM
modolo 11/10 with beteveryday to win a stage, would have thought he'd be odds on for a win? guys like viviani and valle are 5/6

Yep, roughly estimate his stage opportunities are better than Viviani.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 08, 2015, 10:35:17 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/king-of-the-mountains

any thoughts nell?

not really had much time, hopefully in the next few days.

also

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/team-classification

AG2R surprised last year winning the Giro & Tour team classifications, can they repeat?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 08, 2015, 11:11:01 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/king-of-the-mountains

any thoughts nell?

not really had much time, hopefully in the next few days.

also

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/team-classification

AG2R surprised last year winning the Giro & Tour team classifications, can they repeat?

KOM isn't something i get involved in normally, as its difficult to predict. A lesser name could be targetting it, the way the race pans out it could go to a big name like Contador etc etc. Orica seem to have very specific goals for the giro, win the TTT, get bling a win first week and into the pink jersey, defend it for a week, i read their director saying they like chaves for the last week, but iits guesswork as to if they mean for a stage win or for the KOM classification. he's 40/1, a possible play. There could be any number of italian riders who'll make that classification their number 1 aim of the season, and i wouldn't know till it happened type of thing   ;grr;

I'd expected AG2R to be shorter, i must admit. Main aim would be to get pozzovivo a high up the GC as possible, betancur for a stage win but he'll be a loose cannon, nocentini in the mix for a breakway which could go all the way in latter stages. another market where i'd not normally get involved in, but from an odds point of view they seem a bit big given their previous. would have had sky a shorter price than astana, doubts about aru, sky choc full of climbers etc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 09, 2015, 11:34:20 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX6RFV51pOE

til the end of the month, marv!  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 09, 2015, 11:39:56 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB_QS_L-5pE

OGE odds on. No betting for me, but feel Katusha could surprise.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 10, 2015, 10:53:13 AM
Stage 2.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Stage-1429779968.jpg)

Straight forward sprint stage. Greipel the fastest here, but not quite the force he was, particularly if it is scrappy.

I've gone Hofland 20/1 EW. Purely price driven, but he does have a win in Yorkshire last week & his top speed is up with the best.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on May 10, 2015, 11:18:30 AM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned as I haven't read back but what channel can I watch the Giro on?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 10, 2015, 12:03:11 PM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned as I haven't read back but what channel can I watch the Giro on?

Live on Eurosport every afternoon.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 10, 2015, 05:17:51 PM
Stage 2.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Stage-1429779968.jpg)

Straight forward sprint stage. Greipel the fastest here, but not quite the force he was, particularly if it is scrappy.

I've gone Hofland 20/1 EW. Purely price driven, but he does have a win in Yorkshire last week & his top speed is up with the best.

unl mate, good ew but close to the scoop. tracked griepel lovely then got mugged himself


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 10, 2015, 10:48:54 PM
cheers nell, was looking so good. Forgotten how quick Viviani can be, it's been so long since he timed a sprint well!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 10, 2015, 11:11:26 PM
stage 3

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Stage-1429780023.jpg)

Short stage, but looks like an Ardennes one day race. I guess the key is how fast OGE attack the final climb to shred the sprinters. OGE have certainly penciled this stage. Also suspect Gilbert, plus at least 10 riders will have this stage in mind to nick an early stage win.

Really, not at all clear which way this could go. For now just an outsider, small EW punt on Grega Bole 40/1. I like the way CCC Sprandi Polkowice are looking to get in the mix early, not afraid off messing with the World Tour teams. Stage profile suits Bole & he's having a great year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 11, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
Added Modolo at 33/1 EW for stage 3. Was involved in the final yesterday until he was nearly clipped into the barrier. The stage win in Turkey shows he can hang on in the climbs.

A few rumours have suggested Betancur may be approaching similar form of a few years ago. He's been off the beer & cut back on partying. The final 10 days could see a KOM charge from him. Taken 33/1 EW.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 11, 2015, 03:58:04 PM
Early signs Ulissi is looking to nick KOM points.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 11, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
Oh my Domenico Pozzovivo looked in a bad way after that crash.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Longy on May 11, 2015, 04:02:39 PM
Oh my Domenico Pozzovivo looked in a bad way after that crash.

Yeah looked terrible, hope he is ok. I wish the Italian TV coverage would stop showing it, pretty disturbing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 11, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
any news on pozzivivo? masterclass from orica so far, couldn't back bling at 5/2 though. contador had his boys at the front all the way , bit early to be flogging them but less chance of a crash for him up front i guess


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 11, 2015, 08:08:17 PM
SuzeCY ‏@festinagirl  9m9 minutes ago
Pozzo: cranio-facial trauma and a major lacerated wound to the face, alert focused & stable throughout.

Perhaps not quite as bad as it looked at the time, still extremely nasty.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 11, 2015, 08:17:58 PM
Modolo 181st today! hmmm not sure what happened there?

Grega Bole, 11th. Made the final, but not really in contention for top 3. Decent effort.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Stage-1429781022.jpg)

Similar tomorrow, but a shorter run in to the finish.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-4/winner

Thoughts anyone, need to find a spare hour later for a closer look.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 11, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
parcours look perfect for gilbert, but he cooked himself today in the breakaway so i'm ruling out him and ulissi. don't want to be guessing if bling or gerrans in the main orica man tomorrow, with both in top 3 of the betting  :dontask: (extremely) speculative but betancur at 150/1 now they only have stage wins to chase? the short run-in should mean its a punchers day and not one for the sprinters


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 11, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
parcours look perfect for gilbert, but he cooked himself today in the breakaway so i'm ruling out him and ulissi. don't want to be guessing if bling or gerrans in the main orica man tomorrow, with both in top 3 of the betting  :dontask: (extremely) speculative but betancur at 150/1 now they only have stage wins to chase? the short run-in should mean its a punchers day and not one for the sprinters

I think OGE may go with Gerrans, but could be decided on the road.

I like your optimism for Betancur, (go KOM), but suspect he still needs the full week of racing, hoping he'll be smashing up the climbs in the final week.

Did have in mind Paolini, remember his stage win in 2013, attacking on a descent. But fear the climb could be too much a few years on. Hoping for bigger than 50/1.

Still pondering...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on May 12, 2015, 02:51:21 AM
I've gone for Battaglin and Paolini win only. So many options.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2015, 10:34:54 AM
GL nell & cws with todays bets, frankly I'm still pondering...



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
GL nell & cws with todays bets, frankly I'm still pondering...



Leftfield pick, in case the GC riders decide to contest this stage, noticed Intxausti available at 250/1 on betty  :o


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2015, 12:35:00 PM
(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2015/05/SPTDW5001.jpg)

Love this area of Italy, many happy memories of a holiday back in the 90s

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Tellaro_(Lerici)-panorama12.JPG)

& catching the wrong ferry to La Spezia one day, only to find no buses back to the campsite 10 miles away.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2015, 03:05:13 PM
Baffling stage, tactically hard to understand whats going on in the Tinkoff team.

More bad news for Uran loosing another team mate.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2015, 04:35:26 PM
Wow, spectacular stage, hard to remember a fiercer racing stage in a grand tour.  ;applause; ;applause;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 12, 2015, 08:29:33 PM
bizarre from tinkoff, throwing kreuizeger up the road, then working on the front simultaneously. astana looked super strong today, i think our best chance of getting Uran on the podium is Aru getting popped at doping control  :P great to see a race so animated this early, just wish our man wasnt on the wrong end of it. losing 2 team mates is a big blow also. has the makings of a great tour now teams are playing their cards this early


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on May 13, 2015, 12:32:29 AM
Wow, spectacular stage, hard to remember a fiercer racing stage in a grand tour.  ;applause; ;applause;

Loved Clarke thinking he was sprinting for the win and then when told someone else was in front he makes out he knew!!!....lol


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 13, 2015, 11:54:46 AM
Gone for an apt "hail mary" today. Jesús Herrada 125/1 ew.  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 13, 2015, 12:00:28 PM
Gone for an apt "hail mary" today. Jesús Herrada 125/1 ew.  :D

haha, i can't get my head round today. watch and learn day i think. if they race anything like yesterday it'll be a great spectacle


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 13, 2015, 12:10:07 PM
Gone for an apt "hail mary" today. Jesús Herrada 125/1 ew.  :D

haha, i can't get my head round today. watch and learn day i think. if they race anything like yesterday it'll be a great spectacle

pretty much my thoughts nell. But hey, one big odds winner per GT will do me!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 14, 2015, 10:14:35 AM
today's a flat finish, sprinters should be licking their lips, but interesting to hear contador say the jersey was just loaned to him for a day, he'll give it back today. In that case a breakaway has to succeed, so gone Visconti (56 seconds down) and Paterski, who likes to get in a break. very small, 300/1 and 400/1. hoping at least one gets in the break so i get a bit of a sweat. we're defo in hail mary territory here  ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
today's a flat finish, sprinters should be licking their lips, but interesting to hear contador say the jersey was just loaned to him for a day, he'll give it back today. In that case a breakaway has to succeed, so gone Visconti (56 seconds down) and Paterski, who likes to get in a break. very small, 300/1 and 400/1. hoping at least one gets in the break so i get a bit of a sweat. we're defo in hail mary territory here  ;D

gl nell

I think Paolini will try for the break today. Noticeably last yesterday, either saving energy for today or totally shot!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 14, 2015, 11:00:16 AM
today's a flat finish, sprinters should be licking their lips, but interesting to hear contador say the jersey was just loaned to him for a day, he'll give it back today. In that case a breakaway has to succeed, so gone Visconti (56 seconds down) and Paterski, who likes to get in a break. very small, 300/1 and 400/1. hoping at least one gets in the break so i get a bit of a sweat. we're defo in hail mary territory here  ;D

gl nell

I think Paolini will try for the break today. Noticeably last yesterday, either saving energy for today or totally shot!

haha, at 300/1 it's worth finding out eh. get all 3 in the break then hope tinkoff anchor the chase to get rid of the maglia rosa


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2015, 11:05:39 AM
today's a flat finish, sprinters should be licking their lips, but interesting to hear contador say the jersey was just loaned to him for a day, he'll give it back today. In that case a breakaway has to succeed, so gone Visconti (56 seconds down) and Paterski, who likes to get in a break. very small, 300/1 and 400/1. hoping at least one gets in the break so i get a bit of a sweat. we're defo in hail mary territory here  ;D

gl nell

I think Paolini will try for the break today. Noticeably last yesterday, either saving energy for today or totally shot!


haha, at 300/1 it's worth finding out eh. get all 3 in the break then hope tinkoff anchor the chase to get rid of the maglia rosa

yep, he who dares  :)

also on Modolo 7/1, Lampre should be up for it after yesterday to get him well positioned for the sprint, hoping it's scrappy & Greipel messes up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2015, 01:26:13 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2015/may/14/memory-lane-the-giro-ditalia-through-the-years-in-pictures?CMP=share_btn_tw

some great old photos here

(http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-1920/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/5/14/1431598176909/d37a3fb5-b065-44fb-a45c-10c18342d4db-2060x1698.jpeg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 14, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE-9V96W8AEzZh8.jpg)

apparently not a broken collarbone, will continue tomorrow!

Colli not so fortunate, looked horrible.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 14, 2015, 09:45:50 PM
latest on contador is dislocated shoulder, once when he crashed then again on the podium. his continued participation is touch and go apparently


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 15, 2015, 12:01:20 PM
Superb photos on the Giro from my friends Jered and Ashley Gruber

http://stories.strava.com/liguria

(http://slipstreamsports.com/wp-content/themes/slipstream-hayden-child/timthumb/timthumb.php?src=http://slipstreamsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/wpid-81B_2829.jpg&w=976&q=85)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 19, 2015, 06:54:07 PM
bad luck for porte today. Looks like a battle between contador and aru, unless the ITT really throws up a result. still compelling viewing, plenty of twists and turns still to come.

Griepel will be spewing they let the breakaway get clear today, as will anyone who backed him at 5/4 and didn't get a run for their money! fortunately i'm not a griepel man so saved my dough


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 20, 2015, 10:58:05 AM
Busy week for me at http://photolondon.org/

Good to see Betancur getting in the mix for KOM.

Back next week, business permitting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 20, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
Busy week for me at http://photolondon.org/

Good to see Betancur getting in the mix for KOM.

Back next week, business permitting.

very nice,  best of luck with it. betancur certaintly getting busy, hopefully he's saving a bit for the climbs in the last week


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2015, 10:17:42 AM
On catch up.

Today looks a possibility a break could make it, debatable, but a quick scan this morning & Tom-Jelte Slagter @ 125/1 looks a decent sweat.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 27, 2015, 11:47:13 AM
On catch up.

Today looks a possibility a break could make it, debatable, but a quick scan this morning & Tom-Jelte Slagter @ 125/1 looks a decent sweat.

beteveryday must be listening, into 25/1 with them! been a mad 2nd week, i will have my usual "pieter weening wins a stage of the giro every year" bet as a saver incase the break makes it (200/1). sprint teams should be making sure this is a bunch finish, lotto jumbo might back off given kruijswick is looking to finish as high up in gc as possible, but hofland at 28's is interesting if he can tag onto modolo or nizzolo's train, similar to viviani on one of the early stages, so that'll be my main bet.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
Go Tom-Jelte Slagter makes a late move, needs some luck now....


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 27, 2015, 04:41:12 PM
Go Tom-Jelte Slagter makes a late move, needs some luck now....

nope  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 27, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Go Tom-Jelte Slagter makes a late move, needs some luck now....

nope  :(

he gave it a go like, just needed a few teams to be disorganised and he'd have been clear  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 28, 2015, 10:07:14 AM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Stage-1429781708.jpg)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-18/winner

Tricky stage to pick a winner, I've gone Betancur & Amador.

Betancur is looking better & better without really attacking for a win. Today or tomorrow? Also Carlos bag the KOM points please  :)

Movistar will want to find the opportunity to get Amador into the top 3, todays stage looks good for it.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 28, 2015, 11:45:32 AM
glgl. gone small on hesjedal, as he'll descend like the wind when others might be a bit more cautious. had him climbing legs going on the mortirolo, so if that hasn't took too much out of him he should go well, 16's. wide open like, 10's the field!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 28, 2015, 12:27:30 PM
glgl. gone small on hesjedal, as he'll descend like the wind when others might be a bit more cautious. had him climbing legs going on the mortirolo, so if that hasn't took too much out of him he should go well, 16's. wide open like, 10's the field!

gl nell. Hesjedal, tough as nails this Giro, deserves a stage win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 28, 2015, 03:29:34 PM
No sweat today  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 28, 2015, 06:07:57 PM
No sweat today  :(

i was sweating on weening NOT winning ha! hesjedal again very strong, but nothing to show for it. gilbert showing he can do it away from the cauburg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 28, 2015, 08:10:08 PM
No sweat today  :(

i was sweating on weening NOT winning ha! hesjedal again very strong, but nothing to show for it. gilbert showing he can do it away from the cauburg

Gilbert was 50/1. He made my long/short list! Be nice to land on at that price.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 28, 2015, 08:16:48 PM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Stage-1429781739.jpg)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-19/winner

Not sure this is a decent betting day. Contador must surely want a stage win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 29, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
Good news, Betancur made the days break, & is first on the top of the climb so his intent is to pick up as many KOM points as possible. Peloton not giving them much time though.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 30, 2015, 11:21:54 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsTS1TRN9Tg

Looking forward to this one.

A little poorer, but been a cracking Giro.  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 30, 2015, 04:10:41 PM
Bloody love stages like this...fantastic watch  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 30, 2015, 06:01:48 PM
Bloody love stages like this...fantastic watch  :)

missed it with being at work, but sounds a good one. highlights a must watch later. first chinks in the contador armour looking towards the tdf. frustrating seeing uran show some form, too late to be a factor


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 31, 2015, 11:56:23 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dgDUVt1qs

Looked distinctly wrecked but OGE still having fun. Chaves has not stopped smiling.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 31, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
Leo Konig has done a fine job, a solid 6th on GC.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzRQG5DUga8

hat tip to Ryder Hesjedal & Steven Kruijswijk, both immense in the final week.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on May 31, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
fitting end to a mad giro, with the break making it stick. yeh, loved watched hesjedal especially this last few weeks, really animated the race in the mountains


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 11, 2015, 09:36:09 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rds_U3FME04

Good to see Bardet attack today, incredible kamikaze descent.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on June 11, 2015, 10:30:31 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rds_U3FME04

Good to see Bardet attack today, incredible kamikaze descent.

yeh, he really went for it, clever tactics. polar opposite descending skills compared to my french favourite thibaut pinot! I know its just the tune-up for the tour, but i expected a bit more from froome and sky as a whole this week


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 12, 2015, 02:31:32 PM
Froome certainly not looking 100%, vulnerable on those intermediate lumpy stages.

I rate Pinot, a feeling this TdF he'll go well, but top 5 is the best he can hope for. Lets see how he goes in the Tour de Suisse.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 12, 2015, 09:19:39 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-suisse/winner

Spent an hour looking at this.

I'd see Spilak & Fuglsang as closely matched for the win. Maybe Spliak edges it with the prospect of rain & his better TT.

Majka I'd have filling the next spot.

I can't see Kwiatkowski or Pinot being at their peak yet ahead of the TdF.

Any thoughts nell?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on June 12, 2015, 11:30:46 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-suisse/winner

Spent an hour looking at this.

I'd see Spilak & Fuglsang as closely matched for the win. Maybe Spliak edges it with the prospect of rain & his better TT.

Majka I'd have filling the next spot.

I can't see Kwiatkowski or Pinot being at their peak yet ahead of the TdF.

Any thoughts nell?

strange that rui costa isn't there to mop it up as usual, and that G has come here to try and gc rather than support Froome at the dauphine. given the long time-trial to finish Spilak would be a marginal fav for me, but very slim. Not much of a Fuglsang fan when he has to be team leader. Pinot will need a big gap before the last stage, should make for aggressive riding in the mountains. majka will relish the chance to lead and do his own thing. will mainly be looking day-to-day, sagan to win one of the lumpy finishes (stage 8 probably), tom dumoulin in the tt's given cancellara has been ill lately, kwiat to target a stage etc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 13, 2015, 12:07:47 AM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-suisse/winner

Spent an hour looking at this.

I'd see Spilak & Fuglsang as closely matched for the win. Maybe Spliak edges it with the prospect of rain & his better TT.

Majka I'd have filling the next spot.

I can't see Kwiatkowski or Pinot being at their peak yet ahead of the TdF.

Any thoughts nell?

strange that rui costa isn't there to mop it up as usual, and that G has come here to try and gc rather than support Froome at the dauphine. given the long time-trial to finish Spilak would be a marginal fav for me, but very slim. Not much of a Fuglsang fan when he has to be team leader. Pinot will need a big gap before the last stage, should make for aggressive riding in the mountains. majka will relish the chance to lead and do his own thing. will mainly be looking day-to-day, sagan to win one of the lumpy finishes (stage 8 probably), tom dumoulin in the tt's given cancellara has been ill lately, kwiat to target a stage etc

Have read Fuglsang has been mighty strong in the training camps, we'll see if it translates to race.

Majka has this as an objective, Tinkoff been cracking the whip!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 13, 2015, 12:09:41 AM
(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00001/original/Stage-1427978358.jpg)

Interested to see how Sky & Froome tackle this stage tomorrow  :) blood & tears...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on June 14, 2015, 08:18:00 AM
Don't know if yesterday was good for froome looking ahead to the tour because he got the win, or worrying as van garderen was able to limit the losses to stay in the leaders jersey without much trouble. depends if you're glass half full or half empty i guess. Nibali's performance has been curious, boom or bust!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on June 14, 2015, 03:48:22 PM
tony martin off the front on his own from a way out, always good to see him time-trialling in a normal stage!  ;tightend;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 21, 2015, 11:36:03 AM
Big test for Pinot today. We'll see if his improved TT had hold off Thomas & Spilak. Will be a massive boost ahead of the Tour if he can hold for a top 3.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 24, 2015, 06:30:54 PM
Been off the metaphorical bike. Time to get back on & do some research ahead of the Tour.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france

Post away guys


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on June 29, 2015, 05:04:42 PM
http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/55553#KgTlsKjImDhb0HQs.97

very strong team for froome, great depth and variety, slightly siding towards him for gc now


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZB2t35svuQ

 ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Nakor on July 03, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
Quintana.

Everything I have read suggests that the coarse as near perfect for him as it could ever be, but his whole reputation seems to built around 1 suicidal decent (in snow) in a grand tour last year, followed by 3 or 4 days of near perfect climbing.

Does he have a team strong enough/together enough to support a real tilt at the yellow?

I am no expert but I am struggling to find a reason not to take the price on the machine.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
Quintana.

Everything I have read suggests that the coarse as near perfect for him as it could ever be, but his whole reputation seems to built around 1 suicidal decent (in snow) in a grand tour last year, followed by 3 or 4 days of near perfect climbing.

Does he have a team strong enough/together enough to support a real tilt at the yellow?

I am no expert but I am struggling to find a reason not to take the price on the machine.

Hi Nakor,

I'm a fan of Quintana. Some stats tell you how good he is. First TDF 2nd, followed by a first at his debut in the Giro. Team is pretty strong in support imo.

Final two weeks of the Tour is when(if) Quintana should come into his own.

I'm hoping for around 4.00.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 03, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
Quintana.

Everything I have read suggests that the coarse as near perfect for him as it could ever be, but his whole reputation seems to built around 1 suicidal decent (in snow) in a grand tour last year, followed by 3 or 4 days of near perfect climbing.

Does he have a team strong enough/together enough to support a real tilt at the yellow?

I am no expert but I am struggling to find a reason not to take the price on the machine.

Hi Nakor,

I'm a fan of Quintana. Some stats tell you how good he is. First TDF 2nd, followed by a first at his debut in the Giro. Team is pretty strong in support imo.

Final two weeks of the Tour is when(if) Quintana should come into his own.

I'm hoping for around 4.00.

I'm a big Quintana fan, but not sure if having Valverde in the team is a help or a hinderance. They've said Quintana is plan A, but Valverde to ride strong to  give them a plan B, but when the push comes how much will Valverde want to sacrifice himself for the team? Stage 3 on the Mur De Huy could see him trying to win that stage and he seems to have his own motivations. This is a contrast to Sky, where Froome is 100% leader, and Porte will sacrifice himself every day for the leader. What do we reckon?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2015, 04:31:37 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0382IniiwI

Now officially in Tour mode, all work up to date(ish), back lawn mowed, sun's out. Best three weeks of the year  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2015, 04:37:22 PM
Quintana.

Everything I have read suggests that the coarse as near perfect for him as it could ever be, but his whole reputation seems to built around 1 suicidal decent (in snow) in a grand tour last year, followed by 3 or 4 days of near perfect climbing.

Does he have a team strong enough/together enough to support a real tilt at the yellow?

I am no expert but I am struggling to find a reason not to take the price on the machine.

Hi Nakor,

I'm a fan of Quintana. Some stats tell you how good he is. First TDF 2nd, followed by a first at his debut in the Giro. Team is pretty strong in support imo.

Final two weeks of the Tour is when(if) Quintana should come into his own.

I'm hoping for around 4.00.

I'm a big Quintana fan, but not sure if having Valverde in the team is a help or a hinderance. They've said Quintana is plan A, but Valverde to ride strong to  give them a plan B, but when the push comes how much will Valverde want to sacrifice himself for the team? Stage 3 on the Mur De Huy could see him trying to win that stage and he seems to have his own motivations. This is a contrast to Sky, where Froome is 100% leader, and Porte will sacrifice himself every day for the leader. What do we reckon?

I've read about Q v V in press, really not sure it is an issue. Valverde & Quinana do actually get on well I believe. A strong Valverde can only be of benefit to Movistar, Quintana can sit on & pick his attacks. 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 03, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
Quintana.

Everything I have read suggests that the coarse as near perfect for him as it could ever be, but his whole reputation seems to built around 1 suicidal decent (in snow) in a grand tour last year, followed by 3 or 4 days of near perfect climbing.

Does he have a team strong enough/together enough to support a real tilt at the yellow?

I am no expert but I am struggling to find a reason not to take the price on the machine.

Hi Nakor,

I'm a fan of Quintana. Some stats tell you how good he is. First TDF 2nd, followed by a first at his debut in the Giro. Team is pretty strong in support imo.

Final two weeks of the Tour is when(if) Quintana should come into his own.

I'm hoping for around 4.00.

I'm a big Quintana fan, but not sure if having Valverde in the team is a help or a hinderance. They've said Quintana is plan A, but Valverde to ride strong to  give them a plan B, but when the push comes how much will Valverde want to sacrifice himself for the team? Stage 3 on the Mur De Huy could see him trying to win that stage and he seems to have his own motivations. This is a contrast to Sky, where Froome is 100% leader, and Porte will sacrifice himself every day for the leader. What do we reckon?

I've read about Q v V in press, really not sure it is an issue. Valverde & Quinana do actually get on well I believe. A strong Valverde can only be of benefit to Movistar, Quintana can sit on & pick his attacks. 

Yeh, in theory it should work very well, Valverde attacks nd the other big names have to go after him and Quintana can just sit on wheels. Was just reading the team guides from cycle sport magazine from April, and Valverde said that riding for GC at the tour remained one of his main objectives, so if thats still the case then it'll be interesting to see how it plays out


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 04, 2015, 04:14:51 AM
Really looking forward to the TdF this year, and just discovered a market that I didn't know existed:

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/w-o-big-4 (http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/w-o-big-4)

Some tasty looking prices in there if like me you can see past Pinot, van Garderen and Rodriguez. Rui Costa e/w at Bet366 is an unbelievable price.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 04, 2015, 09:27:07 AM
Really looking forward to the TdF this year, and just discovered a market that I didn't know existed:

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/w-o-big-4 (http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/w-o-big-4)

Some tasty looking prices in there if like me you can see past Pinot, van Garderen and Rodriguez. Rui Costa e/w at Bet366 is an unbelievable price.

I've been trying to get Mollema onside somehow, but he's top price here with coral who are only doing win only without the big 4 >:( found a bizzare "top benelux" market where its only him and Kelderman who are hoping to GC high up, so took the 9/4 there

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/top-benelux


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3MSw6lcdfo

Not many bets ahead of the start. Just Michal Kwiatkowski & Dan Martin top 10 bets. Trek @ 110.00 in team classification.

Will be funking for Pinot. Hoping Rodriguez can blitz the final two weeks. One of the Yates twins wins a stage. But mainly the big four can really battle to the end & live up to the hype.

GL guys!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 12:46:20 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVFmh4XYqFU

Geraint Thomas video diary.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 12:59:33 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgJqe2mOao

Sky have a slick production, well see how in depth or not as the race progresses. Still prefer OGE backstage pass videos.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 01:06:30 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_9b2RkGzPE

FDJ, french humour eh!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BorntoBubble on July 04, 2015, 01:09:14 PM
Looking forward to this, not a huge cycling fan but tend to watch the tour every year.

Any recommends for a sweat?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 01:19:28 PM
Looking forward to this, not a huge cycling fan but tend to watch the tour every year.

Any recommends for a sweat?

hi,

maybe follow the TfT tips


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BorntoBubble on July 04, 2015, 01:31:43 PM
Looking forward to this, not a huge cycling fan but tend to watch the tour every year.

Any recommends for a sweat?

hi,

maybe follow the TfT tips

In, Cheers!

It matter more when there is money on it...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 02:59:45 PM
Simon Yates 15'42", impressive TT from him.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 03:02:20 PM
Quintana faster than Porte!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
Great ride from Thibaut Pinot  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 04, 2015, 07:19:26 PM
some performance from dennis, quickest average Km p/h in history of the race! first loser of the tour on dumoulin, but can't fault him, very tight between top 4 in todays stage. current bets are mollema top 10 and top benelux, kwiat top 10, sky in team classification, sagan green jersey and rodriquez not to win a stage (will be hiding behind the sofa for stage 3 in particular!) will get involved in yellow and KOM in-play, and some big prices on the individual stages.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2015, 11:28:57 AM
Didn't expect a ride like that from Dennis, think the early start & tail wind helped, but great ride anyway.

Kwiat, sigh, poor from him.

Today, had earlier thought Greipel may be value for the stage, but seems wind & rain likely. Cancellara & Trek could try & disrupt the stage to engineer a chance to take yellow?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 05, 2015, 12:59:01 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhWsxEGROVQ

Etixx on stage 2


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 05, 2015, 04:17:01 PM
Nibali 31 secs down. Quintana 1.03. 40km to go.

this is dramatic for an early stage!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 05, 2015, 08:20:50 PM
crosswinds worked their magic here! still very early but certainly put Quintana and Nibali on the defensive. Tomorrows stage has the potential to be a cracker also, finish up the mur de huy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdUhAHhWwTY


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2015, 10:40:40 AM
crosswinds worked their magic here! still very early but certainly put Quintana and Nibali on the defensive. Tomorrows stage has the potential to be a cracker also, finish up the mur de huy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdUhAHhWwTY

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2015/300/PROFIL.png)

I'm expecting plenty of mayhem for this stage. The fight for position on the Côte d’Ereffe on narrow roads will surely bring down more than a few riders.

OGE & Cannondale certainly have this marked as stage win. GC teams will also want to be at the front. Winner needs to be in the top 20 on the approach to the Mur de Huy.

Think I'll be looking to get involved in play, see how the race is shaping from 20km to go. Special eye on Sagan, not to be discounted.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2015, 03:47:02 PM
Heavy crash(es), seems inevitable these days such is the pace the teams attack & fight for position.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
Sadly Gerrans & Tom Dum out.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2015, 03:53:46 PM
Awful lot of shredded jerseys & battered bodies about.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 06, 2015, 06:46:14 PM
Yeh, came down at a pace. I'd expect Cancellera to struggle to start tomorrow, given his back injury from E3(?) very good from rodriquez, killing my under 0.5 stage wins at the first chance (!) froome making hay and will be very happy with the first 3 days. Simon Yates showed up well today for a top 10. mollema steady today, disappointing from Pinot and Kwiatkowski. cobbles tomorrow, will we see sagan in yellow at the end of tomorrows stage?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
Yeh, came down at a pace. I'd expect Cancellera to struggle to start tomorrow, given his back injury from E3(?) very good from rodriquez, killing my under 0.5 stage wins at the first chance (!) froome making hay and will be very happy with the first 3 days. Simon Yates showed up well today for a top 10. mollema steady today, disappointing from Pinot and Kwiatkowski. cobbles tomorrow, will we see sagan in yellow at the end of tomorrows stage?

Looked like Kwiat was burying himself for Martin.

Will have to see from team reports who is injury free for tomorrow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2015, 10:14:41 PM
One value outsider for tomorrow I like.

Jens Debusschere. The young belgium was heavily involved in this years Paris Roubaix. Has an excellent sprint. Available at 100/1.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2015, 11:00:36 PM
One value outsider for tomorrow I like.

Jens Debusschere. The young belgium was heavily involved in this years Paris Roubaix. Has an excellent sprint. Available at 100/1.

added a small banzai on Elminger @ 150/1. Knows how to ride the cobbles. Unhampered by GC ambitions.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44D43ttvkNA

Dramatic day as seen from OGE.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: BorntoBubble on July 07, 2015, 11:25:32 AM
Wow great video cheers for sharing! Mayhem


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 07, 2015, 11:41:37 AM
yeh, great vid, absolute panic all over! both of yours clipped into 80's, glgl.

went with Pozzato (80's) and Langeveld (150's) and took the 80's on Debusschere


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 09, 2015, 11:36:30 AM
no financial investment on him, but hope Sagan can finally get a win under his belt, should be perfect for him here but price skinny.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Omm on July 09, 2015, 11:59:34 AM
Watched the highlights on Eurosport last night, fantastic, really enjoyed it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 09, 2015, 09:42:59 PM
Sad that Martin has had to retire from the race. It's been a hell of a week for him at the tour!

More disappointment for Sagan. Sagan was kind of "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't", letting Stybar ride away was obviously rough for him but didn't want to lead them all out in the chase. Was probably hoping Katusha did all the work, think they still had 3 guys up there, but no joy.

Cav tomorrow at 3/1 is interesting for me, flat stage for the pure sprinters, no crosswinds, last chance for the quick men for a few stages. He was 10/11 for stage 2 and 5/4 for stage 5 so big jump with Greipel now fav. Has a history of getting better as the tour goes on, think it's a bit of an over-reaction.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2015, 10:12:07 AM
Business has intervened, so not around much...

On Degs today, ew 10/1, finish drags up a touch, his sprint train is more intact than others, so maybe...

gl all


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 10, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
Sad that Martin has had to retire from the race. It's been a hell of a week for him at the tour!

More disappointment for Sagan. Sagan was kind of "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't", letting Stybar ride away was obviously rough for him but didn't want to lead them all out in the chase. Was probably hoping Katusha did all the work, think they still had 3 guys up there, but no joy.

Cav tomorrow at 3/1 is interesting for me, flat stage for the pure sprinters, no crosswinds, last chance for the quick men for a few stages. He was 10/11 for stage 2 and 5/4 for stage 5 so big jump with Greipel now fav. Has a history of getting better as the tour goes on, think it's a bit of an over-reaction.


nice call


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2015, 12:35:04 AM
nice one nell  :)up

Got Tony Gallopin tomorrow 10/1 ew.

bonne chance


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 11, 2015, 11:06:47 AM
glgl. If Valverde was riding for himself I'd be keen, but he didn't show up on the Mur De Huy and it's a bit complicated with Quintana being designated leader. Surely too steep for Sagan? Given Rodriguez's ride on stage 3 10/1 isn't the worst price going IMO


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 11, 2015, 04:29:37 PM
hmmm what do peeps think Sky are planning today with 25k to go.
Thought they been good so far this tour only taking the front to stay out of trouble.
Don't see why they so keep to chase down this break. Would rather they conserve and let other teams burn energy fronting the peleton!!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 11, 2015, 04:36:26 PM
hmmm what do peeps think Sky are planning today with 25k to go.
Thought they been good so far this tour only taking the front to stay out of trouble.
Don't see why they so keep to chase down this break. Would rather they conserve and let other teams burn energy fronting the peleton!!

Froome has a shot at the stage today based on his legs up the Mur De Huy. With the time bonuses available if they think he's got the best form out of the big 4 then they should close the break down. Some obligation with being in yellow that they have to do some work on the front also.

With TTT tomorrow and Froome likely to be out-kicked by classics specialists like Rodriquez and Martin, i'd be chilling just behind Cannondale-Garmin mind.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 12, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
Any value against bmc today?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 16, 2015, 06:21:08 PM
Extremely strong riding from Thomas today for Froome, proving he is a special rider. Will be interesting to see him take on team leadership at next year's Giro. Judging by his ride here and in tour de suisse he'll be in the mix.

A bit of life in the GC contest today, they didn't make any time but decent intent from Contador, Quintana and Nibali. van Garderen looks like he's waiting for everyone to tire and have a pop in the Alps. Think Movistar and Tinkoff will need to put the squeeze on earlier on the next high mountains stage, attempt to get Froome isolated and without Thomas to chaperone him over the final climb.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
unfortunately work commitments keeps me busy, barely able to keep up on the tour. Ironically will be in Paris next week, but back to the UK on Friday!

Highlights of the week, J Rod's win on Plateau de Beille.

Geraint Thomas, what a boss.

Jean-Christophe Péraud

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co7KYdIw_gU

don't get tougher than him  ;hattip;



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 19, 2015, 12:37:26 PM
So tilting the pettiness yesterday from bardet and pinot cost them both the stage win. Had both them and uran to win stage and when yates broke was already counting the money.

Peter Sagan proved yesterday just how incredible he is. Was absolutely gutted for him not to get his stage win, to return with that yesterday was simply amazing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on July 19, 2015, 12:41:16 PM
Chris Froome says he was hit in the face by someone's cup of urine.

Does this happen to people who have actually been found to have doped? The Alps must stink from all that wee over the years.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 19, 2015, 12:45:17 PM
Chris Froome says he was hit in the face by someone's cup of urine.

Does this happen to people who have actually been found to have doped? The Alps must stink from all that wee over the years.

Think cavendish complained of this happening to him a few years back? Is it a doper thing or just a rider/team they dont like. Cant really stand watching sections where morons are in the faces of riders, if you have any respect for them dont get in their way.

Contador seems really popular for someone whos a known cheat.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on July 19, 2015, 12:51:27 PM
Chris Froome says he was hit in the face by someone's cup of urine.

Does this happen to people who have actually been found to have doped? The Alps must stink from all that wee over the years.

Think cavendish complained of this happening to him a few years back? Is it a doper thing or just a rider/team they dont like. Cant really stand watching sections where morons are in the faces of riders, if you have any respect for them dont get in their way.

Contador seems really popular for someone whos a known cheat.

The fact it's urine suggests it is a doping thing, especially given all the news the last week about the hacking and the rumours about Froome's performances.

People throwing urine at Glastonbury is more of a convenience thing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 19, 2015, 12:57:13 PM
Chris Froome says he was hit in the face by someone's cup of urine.

Does this happen to people who have actually been found to have doped? The Alps must stink from all that wee over the years.

Think cavendish complained of this happening to him a few years back? Is it a doper thing or just a rider/team they dont like. Cant really stand watching sections where morons are in the faces of riders, if you have any respect for them dont get in their way.

Contador seems really popular for someone whos a known cheat.

The fact it's urine suggests it is a doping thing, especially given all the news the last week about the hacking and the rumours about Froome's performances.

People throwing urine at Glastonbury is more of a convenience thing.

Thought it might just be the untraceable element, people throw water over all the riders to help them. Only after would you realise it was piss (and worse a frenchmans piss), wouldnt be to get away with it if it was  something else. Suppose its better that it is doping associated or maybe someone will up the stakes with a steaming turd.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2015, 11:48:45 AM
On some fancy lucky dips for todays breakaway stage

Adam Yates 100/1. Jan Bakelants 25/1. Tiago Machado 300/1.

glgl all

back on friday to collect  ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: RedFox on July 20, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
I started watching cycling racing a few years ago watching a race in the states - possibly a tour in california.

Im now hooked and watch all I can when theres an event on - at the moment loving a last minute holiday in spain and alternating between pool and the telly yummy  :)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: craigbetts on July 20, 2015, 05:11:13 PM
Such bad luck for Geraint Thomas, just puke. Hope he is okay.

Boom, he's bk on the bike doing the business.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 20, 2015, 05:17:30 PM
Such bad luck for Geraint Thomas, just puke. Hope he is okay.

Boom, he's bk on the bike doing the business.

Quite amazing he got back on, let alone only being 40 odd seconds down. Tough as teek


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 20, 2015, 05:37:29 PM
Thomas: "I hit a lamppost with my head. The doctor asked me a few questions, like what was my name. I said I was Chris Froome."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 24, 2015, 01:51:36 PM
Looks like its going to be a great stage. Attacks from the off, sky are all over the place.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 24, 2015, 06:00:43 PM
Froome says he felt NIbali didn’t show sportsmanship when attacking. Piece of tar between brakes & back wheel.

does he have a case?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 24, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
It would have been less sportsman like from anybody but nibali as astana had been pressing before that. It was clear nibali was gonna have a pop anyway, maybe a bit dirty as he prob did see froome dropping but not as dirty as if he totally altered tactics, he was clearly going to attack anyway. Sky on last tour froome won when val verde got a puncture was way dirtier imo, not to mention last time froome climbed the mountain they did today.

Dont really know why froome had anything to say, nibali was an irrelevance to him who actually helped him during the race- astana were running the pressure which stopped after he went clear, helping froome get his bewildered team back together (poels had a great race considering he was gone very early and pulled back to be massive for froome on the descend just after nibalis break), and also other teams had to chase nibali for classification which helped froome as sky folded every climb.

I think its poor form that tinkoff keep changing bikes midrace, for reasons other than mechanic failure.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on July 24, 2015, 06:40:46 PM
Froome says he felt NIbali didn’t show sportsmanship when attacking. Piece of tar between brakes & back wheel.

does he have a case?

I don't think there is much love lost between Froome and Nibali at the moment, especially after Nibali threw his water bottle at Froomey the other day. If you look at the video, Nibali knew exactly what he was doing. But there are no time penalties for bad sportsmanship (as far as I know), and it would have been a lot more serious if it was someone like Quintana, who is lying 2nd in GC, who went on the attack.

These things happen all the time in professional cycling, and is part of the game. What galls me is the fact that Nibali allegedly flatly denies taking advantage of Froome's mishap in a post-race interview. They might want to change his nickname to the Snake of Messina.

I'd also like to know if Contador, Valverde and Quintana didn't go with Nibali out of goodwill to Froome.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on July 26, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
Really enjoyable tour in my opinion and a deserving winner in Froome after all he's put up with in the past two weeks.

Interesting that the final winning margin was less than that of the time lost by Quintana in the crosswinds in stage two. Quintana therefore proving to be the best climber in the race - no spitting, urine or swearing directed at him despite the fact that is was just a tactical misjudgement which cost him the win. There's definitely a huge anti-sky bias amongst the crowd and media.

I didn't see this story posted up earlier in this thread. Definitely the most comedy thing to happen in this year's edition:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/rider-kicked-off-tour-de-france-for-hitching-a-lift-in-another-teams-car-183239


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 26, 2015, 10:55:55 AM
Really enjoyable tour in my opinion and a deserving winner in Froome after all he's put up with in the past two weeks.

Interesting that the final winning margin was less than that of the time lost by Quintana in the crosswinds in stage two. Quintana therefore proving to be the best climber in the race - no spitting, urine or swearing directed at him despite the fact that is was just a tactical misjudgement which cost him the win. There's definitely a huge anti-sky bias amongst the crowd and media.

I didn't see this story posted up earlier in this thread. Definitely the most comedy thing to happen in this year's edition:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/rider-kicked-off-tour-de-france-for-hitching-a-lift-in-another-teams-car-183239

Its got to be a British thing with the french doesnt it?

They have no reason for all the rage, if froome doesnt win then its not like a frenchman would. Last year nibali from astana, a team most ppl think should be dumped out of the tour, denied a potential french winner, where was their rage then? Added to that quintana is as much if no more stereotypical of someone on EPO, no pain on face, doesnt seem to be breathing hard. The stage froome got stick for wasnt a pure climb the way these alps stages were, it was a lesser gradient part where he took a minute from quintana, on the tougher gradient parts they were pretty much matched.

Quintanas performance in the ITT was way more suspect then anything else.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: bergeroo on July 26, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
Really enjoyed the stage yesterday. No idea if they are all on drugs, but in terms of sheer spectacle, climbing up a legendary mountain like that surrounded by thousands of fans who have waited there for a week and are watching it for free is perhaps unmatched in modern professional sport. Brilliant and well done to Mr Froome.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2015, 06:18:56 PM
If the gc was close would they contest the last stage? If  not what is the point of the last stage?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 26, 2015, 06:31:36 PM
If the gc was close would they contest the last stage? If  not what is the point of the last stage?

Point is largely ceremonial. Like all stages won by non-GC competitors its all about advertising the team and its sponsors. Money concerned must be pretty important as in pantani documentary they made it pretty clear the reason he got outed was because he rode off and won stages he was supposed to let the also rans get a win.

Cant imagine they would race it, and in todays case they ended GC classification way earlier. (finishing only requirement)

You need a sprint at the end, or loads of people would quit in the alps.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 26, 2015, 09:04:32 PM
Really enjoyable tour in my opinion and a deserving winner in Froome after all he's put up with in the past two weeks.

Interesting that the final winning margin was less than that of the time lost by Quintana in the crosswinds in stage two. Quintana therefore proving to be the best climber in the race - no spitting, urine or swearing directed at him despite the fact that is was just a tactical misjudgement which cost him the win. There's definitely a huge anti-sky bias amongst the crowd and media.

I didn't see this story posted up earlier in this thread. Definitely the most comedy thing to happen in this year's edition:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/rider-kicked-off-tour-de-france-for-hitching-a-lift-in-another-teams-car-183239

That is the thing that makes so little sense, Froome won by pretty much the amount of time Quintana lost with the split in the win in Zeeland. In the Pyrenees Froome and his team were stronger. Quintana climbed like a mountain goat in the Alps and Froome was just being dragged along. The reaction that Quintana is defo clean and Froome is defo a doper makes no logical sense, but then that's the French for you eh!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tal on July 26, 2015, 10:00:26 PM
As much as I enjoy the brutal climb stages, I did find this year's Tour a bit repetitive. I like the TT stages and the flatter ones, too. There's something other worldly about the TdF; it's a superhuman competition and I want to see the rider who copes best with its wide range of demands winning overall.  The balance of flat, fast and flipping vertical has to be just right.

This time around, we had the KoM getting the Maillot Jaune.

Also not a fan of the best sprinter losing the Maillot Vert to the sprinter who can climb best and thereby claim breakaway and intermediate points.

What do you think they'll do next year?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 27, 2015, 08:09:38 AM
As much as I enjoy the brutal climb stages, I did find this year's Tour a bit repetitive. I like the TT stages and the flatter ones, too. There's something other worldly about the TdF; it's a superhuman competition and I want to see the rider who copes best with its wide range of demands winning overall.  The balance of flat, fast and flipping vertical has to be just right.

This time around, we had the KoM getting the Maillot Jaune.

Also not a fan of the best sprinter losing the Maillot Vert to the sprinter who can climb best and thereby claim breakaway and intermediate points.

What do you think they'll do next year?


I like the cobbled stage, that needs to stay, it's such a spectacle and teams are ringing that stage in the book as the most important along with the massive climbs so that variety is required. I like the Giro TT model, when its long enough that it can be a real race-changing day. It adds to the drama that it could again be such a pivotal day. Having a TTT on day 10 just before the 1st rest day was a strange choice, it should either be very early on or not at all. Saving Alpe D'Huez till the penultimate day worked I think, if the time gaps had been smaller it would have been such an epic finish. I don't think too much emphasis was put on just climbing, or Quintana would have ran away with it. There were also days in the Alps where the descending was almost as important as the climbing.

The Maillot Vert is a tricky one, are you crowning the best pure sprinter or the most consistent sprinter? If its the best pure sprinter then it's not fit for purpose. Greipel was clearly the quickest sprinter this tear, and Kittel last year, but Sagan is in the mix for so many stages he just keeps chipping away. I'm not a big fan of intermediate sprints to begin with, but when they are in the middle of a mountain stage they have almost nothing to do with who is the quickest sprinter so I'd do away with those to begin with.

This year the organizers changed the rules specifically to make it more difficult for Sagan to win without winning an individual stage, yet he still won it easy. Options like doing double points for the winner on the Champs Elysees is possible, kind of like what F1 did last year or what golf do with the FED-EX cup, so the end of the season matters more. If they changed the rules I'd imagine Sagan would just get himself far enough ahead that he would still have an unassailable lead coming down the Champs Elysees. He's just a freak and, barring injuries or massive rule changes, I can't see him getting beat in the points comp for a while yet so long as he keeps making it his no.1 priority.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: mulhuzz on July 27, 2015, 12:50:34 PM

This time around, we had the KoM getting the Maillot Jaune.


Last time le meilleur grimpeur was also the winner was 1970 mind...not sure you can complain too much ;)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on August 23, 2015, 09:59:56 AM
Vuelta kicks in for real today, after yesterday's neutralised TTT. I'm warming to the chances of Aru e/w on the outright. 7/1 for 1/4 odds 1-2-3. Barring accidents he's team leader for Astana, will have a very strong team (of dopers) behind him and is fresh having bypassed the tour. Hopefully get a 3 week sweat for my money.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on August 23, 2015, 05:09:07 PM
Vuelta kicks in for real today, after yesterday's neutralised TTT. I'm warming to the chances of Aru e/w on the outright. 7/1 for 1/4 odds 1-2-3. Barring accidents he's team leader for Astana, will have a very strong team (of dopers) behind him and is fresh having bypassed the tour. Hopefully get a 3 week sweat for my money.

Like it.
How do you see the main GC contenders going? Personally can't see how they can all hold on for 3 weeks. Soo hard to do it anyway in 2 GTs in a season, then add in just how hard the TdF was this year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on August 23, 2015, 08:37:45 PM
Vuelta kicks in for real today, after yesterday's neutralised TTT. I'm warming to the chances of Aru e/w on the outright. 7/1 for 1/4 odds 1-2-3. Barring accidents he's team leader for Astana, will have a very strong team (of dopers) behind him and is fresh having bypassed the tour. Hopefully get a 3 week sweat for my money.

Like it.
How do you see the main GC contenders going? Personally can't see how they can all hold on for 3 weeks. Soo hard to do it anyway in 2 GTs in a season, then add in just how hard the TdF was this year.

Froome has talked down his chances, and went as far as to say he'd work in support if he couldn't find his form. I doubt he'll drop off that much but I wouldn't be lumping on with him going in trying to find form. Quintana sounded confident pre-race, I've never sure of him and Valverde being the best duo at working together. Both had tough tours. A big deal was made of Contador having such a tough task doing back-to-back grand tours, and the same applies to Froome, Quintana, Valverde, Nibali and Van Gaarderen here.

Nibali losing time today means it very likely Aru is now definite leader, Nibali can be used to attack and soften up others. As Landa is off to sky he'll be sacrificed as super-domestique. It's always a gamble betting early doors in a grand tour, and I'm not Aru's biggest fan, but he's Astana's golden boy and they have a strong squad so a spot on the podium looks solid. Hopefully 7/1 will look bg in 3 weeks time.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on August 23, 2015, 08:46:50 PM
Nibali DQ'd for hitching a ride on his team car. Quite a drastic punishment for one of the sports biggest names.

Really pleased for OGE. Had a nightmare TdF so to get an early win is great for them.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on August 23, 2015, 09:00:06 PM
Nibali DQ'd for hitching a ride on his team car. Quite a drastic punishment for one of the sports biggest names.

Really pleased for OGE. Had a nightmare TdF so to get an early win is great for them.

Wow. Suppose rules are rules but he is a big draw. Yeh, i like Orica, they always have a great plan to maximise their resources in these grand tours, another leaders jersey to follow on from having it in this year's Giro and last year's Vuelta shows they can get the job done.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on August 30, 2015, 07:14:38 PM
Absolutely cracking day of competitive cycle racing at the Vuelta today. The final 4kms were a brutal slugfest up a wall, with the lead changing constantly. I highly recommend watching the highlights on ITV4 at 19:00. Best day's 10 minutes of cycling I've seen in ages.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on September 02, 2015, 10:34:02 PM
Vuelta kicks in for real today, after yesterday's neutralised TTT. I'm warming to the chances of Aru e/w on the outright. 7/1 for 1/4 odds 1-2-3. Barring accidents he's team leader for Astana, will have a very strong team (of dopers) behind him and is fresh having bypassed the tour. Hopefully get a 3 week sweat for my money.

Very good day for the bet. TdF really has taken it out of the other contenders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on September 02, 2015, 11:27:02 PM
Vuelta kicks in for real today, after yesterday's neutralised TTT. I'm warming to the chances of Aru e/w on the outright. 7/1 for 1/4 odds 1-2-3. Barring accidents he's team leader for Astana, will have a very strong team (of dopers) behind him and is fresh having bypassed the tour. Hopefully get a 3 week sweat for my money.

Very good day for the bet. TdF really has taken it out of the other contenders.

Yeh, amazing that Dumoulin is 2nd fav for the race this deep into it. He's impressed me a lot but surely can't keep with them as the mountain days keep coming. Opposition looks thin on the ground and Astana team riding strong enough to suggest Aru has a good shout now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on September 13, 2015, 10:35:31 PM
Vuelta kicks in for real today, after yesterday's neutralised TTT. I'm warming to the chances of Aru e/w on the outright. 7/1 for 1/4 odds 1-2-3. Barring accidents he's team leader for Astana, will have a very strong team (of dopers) behind him and is fresh having bypassed the tour. Hopefully get a 3 week sweat for my money.

Very good day for the bet. TdF really has taken it out of the other contenders.

Great tipping, congrats!

Really enjoyable Vuelta all round. Chaves and Dumoulin the revelations for me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on September 13, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
Vuelta kicks in for real today, after yesterday's neutralised TTT. I'm warming to the chances of Aru e/w on the outright. 7/1 for 1/4 odds 1-2-3. Barring accidents he's team leader for Astana, will have a very strong team (of dopers) behind him and is fresh having bypassed the tour. Hopefully get a 3 week sweat for my money.

Very good day for the bet. TdF really has taken it out of the other contenders.

Great tipping, congrats!

Really enjoyable Vuelta all round. Chaves and Dumoulin the revelations for me.

Haha, finally nailed one after the Uran debacle of a pick in the Giro! Yeh, Dumoulin for me was amazing, if I hadn't punted Aru I'd have been supporting him. Lose a few Kg's and get a team based around him and not Degenkolb and he'd be a real player. Either that or just dominate the ITT's for the foreseeable.

Considering the Vuelta is always a bit of an after-thought, it had a bit of everything. The Nibali incident, Froome's injury, The opening TTT that had to be neutralised, Sagan being run over by the motorbike and the red jersey battle lasting into the penultimate stage, wasn't short on drama!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 26, 2015, 12:29:20 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/road-world-championships/womens-road-race/winner

No stand out value in the betting imo.

Watched the U23 Mens RR race, looked like a cross between Flanders & GP de Plouay-Bretagne.

Hoping Lizzie Armistead wins. The awesome Pauline Ferrand-Prevot, triple World Champ in three different disciplines, has a very good chance.

But I think Anna Van Der Breggen may edge it. Her Time Trial ability & power on the climbs could see her gap the favourites on the final lap & hold on for the win.

(http://www.onderwegonline.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/011412-Interview-Anna-van-der-Breggen_1.jpg)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 26, 2015, 01:04:11 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/road-world-championships/mens-road-race/winner

Whats your thoughts?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70-0AEN7_Gg

The U23 was a large peloton until the last lap when the rain & increase in pace fractured the race to bits.

Mens Elite of 260 km of attrition, rain predicted, & probably more attacks & counters make the this really difficult to call.

All ready have an interest in Matthews at 14/1. His focus & the Aussie team look strong.

Also a banzai few quid on Adam Yates at 250/1. The GB team don't really have a leader, hoping he can nick into a break. Certainly his form & confidence should be good with the win in the Clasica San Sebastian & a good ride in Montreal.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on September 26, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
So much of a lottery that I haven't really bothered this year, aside from a cheeky bet on Jempy Drucker. I do recall that Nacer Bouhanni once said that he prefers riding in the rain... Good luck, Tonji.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 26, 2015, 02:49:18 PM
So much of a lottery that I haven't really bothered this year, aside from a cheeky bet on Jempy Drucker. I do recall that Nacer Bouhanni once said that he prefers riding in the rain... Good luck, Tonji.

ha, your probably right, but I had some decent results/luck last year on the Worlds. Spent a few hours this morning.... long list is very long  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 26, 2015, 03:58:06 PM
Think this will be my final pre race pick. Tony Gallopin. Classy rider, goes well on the long races, likes the rain. Seems to have built some form in the Canadian races. 40/1 seems a bit under rated by the bookies. Concern is he's in a French team that looks split with both Demare & Bouhanni, hopefully he'll be given the go ahead in the final laps to attack.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 26, 2015, 10:11:49 PM
Fantastic race, really happy for Lizzie, superb performance  ;applause; ;applause;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on September 27, 2015, 10:26:30 AM
I had a very VERY long list of possibles here. Narrowed in down to Degenkolb as my main bet and Alaphilippe/Gallopin to take it in turns to try and get away, with Bouhanni then able to conserve energy for the sprint . Obviously hoping the French take it seriously! Degenkolb's form in the Vuelta looked like he was preparing for this, and when he's on his game he's as good as anyone. 12/1 looks fair. Alaphilippe's form from earlier on the season would put him right in the mix if the race was rode to suit. With smaller team sizes and less cohesion compared to when riding for their usual "day-today"teams, it should be a good watch even if these lot brick, with lots of attacks late on.

main bet:
Degenkolb 12/1

Optimistic savers:
Gallopin 40/1
Alaphillipe 50/1
Bouhanni 66/1

Allez les Bleus!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 27, 2015, 10:43:37 AM
Good luck nell, with you on Gallopin.

50% chance of rain, if it stays dry the big sprinters have a better chance, wet though, & the punchy riders have the edge I think.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on September 28, 2015, 10:51:17 AM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--0YIsSePR--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1449480875261284647.jpg)

Great win. Pops up at the last minute & shows why he's the strongest & best bike rider for many a year.  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on September 29, 2015, 11:40:43 AM
Huge fan of Sagan, so very happy he won since I couldn't manage to bink the winner with my bets. Couldn't back him at the prices after his crash in the Vuelta, but great performance and best all-round cyclist out there, chapeau!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 02, 2015, 10:45:25 AM
Last big race of the season, Il Lombardia.

(http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/GiroLombardia/2010/it/img/GDL2015_Alt.jpg)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/giro-di-lombardia/winner

Recent years has seen a pattern of riders repeating wins here, Rodriguiz, Gilbert & Cunego. Dan Martin won in 2014, a top 5 in todays Giro del Piemonte will be a good sign for sunday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on October 02, 2015, 11:03:12 AM
I can never get too excited about Il Lombardia, end of season feel to it, just doesn't do it for me. Martin at 20's looks pretty good, as these are his races. Is Bardet ever going to win one of these? I always feel he should be more prominent in these types of races, but he's never got it going. 33's on him might be my pick.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 02, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
I can never get too excited about Il Lombardia, end of season feel to it, just doesn't do it for me. Martin at 20's looks pretty good, as these are his races. Is Bardet ever going to win one of these? I always feel he should be more prominent in these types of races, but he's never got it going. 33's on him might be my pick.

Yep Bardot often present in the finals, but never threatens. Like Uran at 40/1. Win in Quebec, went really well in 2013.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 03, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
Uran not selected for this race.

With the predicted rain, & the more difficult a parcour of a few years ago I can really only see one of the favourites winning this. Hoping to get get 5/1 Nibali, he's been on fire racing in Italy the past month. His best chance of winning a Classic is on Sunday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on October 04, 2015, 10:49:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQdcpZeW8AQSfya.jpg)

Rolled out of Brgamo, only 7 hours or so to Como.

Only bet for me, a small ew speculation in Sergio Henao 66/1, went well in 2012. If the form is good he should be with the lead group, will need some luck to win but top 4 on his best day is possible.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on October 20, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
Tour de France 2016 route revealed http://bbc.in/1GQC3hR


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 04, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Chris Froome hopes released blood data answers doubters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/34999053


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 20, 2016, 07:11:41 AM
I'll use my first post to reinvigorate this thread.
New season is upon us, with TDU and San Luis, strong early sprinting performances from Ewan and Gaviria although with both races coming on respective home turf it might be wise not to read too much into this.
Jay McCarthy(Sax) won the uphill drag on stage 2 of the TDU, perhaps a breakout type of performance from him.

Anyhow I will be updating this thread regularly with stage profiles and betting advice and hope to meet some like minded gamblers.
Here is to a profitable 2016.

Cliff
- Let's get the monies


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on January 20, 2016, 08:04:27 AM
I'll use my first post to reinvigorate this thread.
New season is upon us, with TDU and San Luis, strong early sprinting performances from Ewan and Gaviria although with both races coming on respective home turf it might be wise not to read too much into this.
Jay McCarthy(Sax) won the uphill drag on stage 2 of the TDU, perhaps a breakout type of performance from him.

Anyhow I will be updating this thread regularly with stage profiles and betting advice and hope to meet some like minded gamblers.
Here is to a profitable 2016.

Cliff
- Let's get the monies

Excellent news, welcome aboard Tommy.

We do have a few cycling experts - "cheapwetsuit", Tonji & a few others, though they tend to congregate on the TfT thread. If I recall correctly, cheapwetsuit gave us a 150/1 winner in a cycling race last year. Adding you to the list can only be good.

Be really good to get this thread revved up too, so thank you.

How did you hear about blonde, have you been lurking a while, do you play poker, are you a fan of concrete structures or cast iron manhole covers & frames, what part of the UK do you live etc would all be of interest & oil the wheels of convo.   


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 20, 2016, 08:41:15 AM
I'll use my first post to reinvigorate this thread.
New season is upon us, with TDU and San Luis, strong early sprinting performances from Ewan and Gaviria although with both races coming on respective home turf it might be wise not to read too much into this.
Jay McCarthy(Sax) won the uphill drag on stage 2 of the TDU, perhaps a breakout type of performance from him.

Anyhow I will be updating this thread regularly with stage profiles and betting advice and hope to meet some like minded gamblers.
Here is to a profitable 2016.

Cliff
- Let's get the monies

Excellent news, welcome aboard Tommy.

We do have a few cycling experts - "cheapwetsuit", Tonji & a few others, though they tend to congregate on the TfT thread. If I recall correctly, cheapwetsuit gave us a 150/1 winner in a cycling race last year. Adding you to the list can only be good.

Be really good to get this thread revved up too, so thank you.

How did you hear about blonde, have you been lurking a while, do you play poker, are you a fan of concrete structures or cast iron manhole covers & frames, what part of the UK do you live etc would all be of interest & oil the wheels of convo.   

A reply from the great man. Now I feel like part of a family, finally!

I'm actually from the cycling hotbed of Kazakhstan, I prefer any structure that doesn't disintegrate under the stress of a magnitude 7 earthquake and I play poker like most players in ex soviet states, short stacking 72 tables of $2nl.

I arrived here like a crossroad in my life. Normally when I'm into sports I use the Betfair forum and when I'm into poker I use 2+2. Now I hate them both equally and I'm here.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on January 20, 2016, 08:55:10 AM
I'll use my first post to reinvigorate this thread.
New season is upon us, with TDU and San Luis, strong early sprinting performances from Ewan and Gaviria although with both races coming on respective home turf it might be wise not to read too much into this.
Jay McCarthy(Sax) won the uphill drag on stage 2 of the TDU, perhaps a breakout type of performance from him.

Anyhow I will be updating this thread regularly with stage profiles and betting advice and hope to meet some like minded gamblers.
Here is to a profitable 2016.

Cliff
- Let's get the monies

Excellent news, welcome aboard Tommy.

We do have a few cycling experts - "cheapwetsuit", Tonji & a few others, though they tend to congregate on the TfT thread. If I recall correctly, cheapwetsuit gave us a 150/1 winner in a cycling race last year. Adding you to the list can only be good.

Be really good to get this thread revved up too, so thank you.

How did you hear about blonde, have you been lurking a while, do you play poker, are you a fan of concrete structures or cast iron manhole covers & frames, what part of the UK do you live etc would all be of interest & oil the wheels of convo.  

A reply from the great man. Now I feel like part of a family, finally!

I'm actually from the cycling hotbed of Kazakhstan, I prefer any structure that doesn't disintegrate under the stress of a magnitude 7 earthquake and I play poker like most players in ex soviet states, short stacking 72 tables of $2nl.

I arrived here like a crossroad in my life. Normally when I'm into sports I use the Betfair forum and when I'm into poker I use 2+2. Now I hate them both equally and I'm here.



ahh, now that IS fascinating.

You hate Betfair Forum & 2+2? Well it looks like you've sussed it already, but we are very different to those 2 places, mainly, in that we try to respect each other & debate in a civilised manner.

We do have a pretty lively & varied Sports Betting Board, & are blessed with some real clever people who post here.

Do you do much sports betting, apart from cycling stuff?  

"Let's get the monies"

You want million?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 20, 2016, 09:12:30 AM
I'll use my first post to reinvigorate this thread.
New season is upon us, with TDU and San Luis, strong early sprinting performances from Ewan and Gaviria although with both races coming on respective home turf it might be wise not to read too much into this.
Jay McCarthy(Sax) won the uphill drag on stage 2 of the TDU, perhaps a breakout type of performance from him.

Anyhow I will be updating this thread regularly with stage profiles and betting advice and hope to meet some like minded gamblers.
Here is to a profitable 2016.

Cliff
- Let's get the monies

Excellent news, welcome aboard Tommy.

We do have a few cycling experts - "cheapwetsuit", Tonji & a few others, though they tend to congregate on the TfT thread. If I recall correctly, cheapwetsuit gave us a 150/1 winner in a cycling race last year. Adding you to the list can only be good.

Be really good to get this thread revved up too, so thank you.

How did you hear about blonde, have you been lurking a while, do you play poker, are you a fan of concrete structures or cast iron manhole covers & frames, what part of the UK do you live etc would all be of interest & oil the wheels of convo.  

A reply from the great man. Now I feel like part of a family, finally!

I'm actually from the cycling hotbed of Kazakhstan, I prefer any structure that doesn't disintegrate under the stress of a magnitude 7 earthquake and I play poker like most players in ex soviet states, short stacking 72 tables of $2nl.

I arrived here like a crossroad in my life. Normally when I'm into sports I use the Betfair forum and when I'm into poker I use 2+2. Now I hate them both equally and I'm here.



ahh, now that IS fascinating.

You hate Betfair Forum & 2+2? Well it looks like you've sussed it already, but we are very different to those 2 places, mainly, in that we try to respect each other & debate in a civilised manner.

We do have a pretty lively & varied Sports Betting Board, & are blessed with some real clever people who post here.

Do you do much sports betting, apart from cycling stuff?  

"Let's get the monies"

You want million?

My gambling life is a complex beast. I started off watching sports then I gambled on sports to make the viewing more interesting then I found myself not enjoying the sports because of the gambling so I stopped gambling on sports etc etc. 
I love the puzzle of solving a cycling race. It's the most complex and varied sport to bet on in my opinion. Akin to betting on a game of backgammon where first the players have had to conquer Everest to find the board and dice.

I love horse racing and will happily while away an afternoon(or evening in Kazakh time) with RUK and a few tenners here and there. My other passion is cricket and I'll put up a thread previewing the T20 World Cup at the weekend.
Pleasure to be aboard and I hope I can be of use.
A million seems a fair target to aim for over the season as long as we are talking about a million in Kazakh currency Tenge which is equivalent to about 2 grand sterling.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on January 20, 2016, 09:20:18 AM

^^^^

Excellent.

We want million.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Hello Tommy, welcome to Blonde.

I'll be in & out when time permits. Nelly is a cycling bod also.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on January 20, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
Hello Tommy, welcome to Blonde.

I'll be in & out when time permits. Nelly is a cycling bod also.

Ahh yes, of course, I forgot nelly.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: cheapwetsuit on January 20, 2016, 12:54:24 PM
Welcome to the cycling club, Tommy. Hopefully we can turn our collective knowledge into some hard cash this year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 20, 2016, 01:00:51 PM
Cheers gents.

Waiting for some prices to become available for stage 3 of the TDU. This is the worst timing event for writing a preview as I'm 6 hours ahead of the UK.
If no prices come up I'll just post my thoughts whatever those are worth


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 20, 2016, 01:10:23 PM
Tour Down Under Stage 3 Glenelg - Campbelltown

Corkscrew Road climb is obviously the defining moment being followed by a 5km downhill to the line.

Climb was last used in 2013 when Geraint Thomas escaped with 3 others and won the sprint with a group of 11 4 seconds behind.

If a small group is going to succeed this year then they will have to get organised fairly quickly.
Personally I feel that the big guns of Dennis, Gerrans, Porte will be happy to wait for the showdown on Wilunga Hill and this will allow guys down on GC a bit of leeway if they attack possibly followed by lieutenants of the main favs. Or otherwise nothing happens and we get a 40 man bunch sprint.




Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on January 20, 2016, 06:58:35 PM
Still no prices on oddschecker, it's tough to get a handle on things without them. My usual plan of action for these races is to banzai a local rider who's down in the standings, in the hope he gets in a break and clings on for his 5 minutes of fame.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on January 20, 2016, 08:46:23 PM
today's preview from an Aussie website

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/01/20/tour-down-under-stage-3-preview/

Prices:

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-down-under/tour-down-under-stage-3/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on January 20, 2016, 09:21:39 PM
Nathan Haas for me, but would of hoped for a bigger price.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 21, 2016, 02:27:53 AM
I've backed Luis Leon Sanchez at 25/1 and Battaglin at 33/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 21, 2016, 05:33:21 AM
1st Gerrans
2nd Dennis
3rd Woods

Guilty of underestimating how much this race means to the Aussie riders.
I couldn't have backed Gerrans with stolen money after his crash yesterday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 21, 2016, 01:00:23 PM
Tour Down Under Stage 4 - Norwood to Victor Harbour

The calm before the storm?
Flat day with little lumps at the start and with about 20kms to go. Neither are steep or long enough to stop the sprinters having their fun.
No prices yet but expect Ewan to be odds on. Clearly superior on stage 1, winning by a massive 4 lengths a repeat performance will be good enough for sure. BUT...
His teammate Gerrans is leading and sure Orica's main focus will be ensuring he stays safe. Imagine the train will form inside the mythical safety of the 3km to go barrier but I feel it may be a bit rushed and such is Ewan's inexperience I feel he needs to be delivered precisely otherwise he may panic a little.
All in all I think a filthy ew bet(if such a thing is possible in a 140 runner race) on Wouter Wippert from Team Drapac could prove profitable. Second best on stage 1 despite a troubled passage, he should be best placed to take advantage of any mistakes from Ewan.

Recomendation 2pt EW Wouter Wippert at 5/1 or bigger


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 21, 2016, 03:03:37 PM
First prices from PP

Ewan Evs
Nizzolo 4/1
Pelucchi 4/1
Wippert 5/1
10/1 bar

Interesting betting especially as Pelucchi has already abandoned the race. Either very careless or very crafty from Paddy. It highlights how clueless the big firms can be, especially in these lower tier races.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 21, 2016, 04:41:34 PM
Wippert 8/1 at Coral is good enough for me. Bet placed.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: tikay on January 21, 2016, 05:22:58 PM
First prices from PP

Ewan Evs
Nizzolo 4/1
Pelucchi 4/1
Wippert 5/1
10/1 bar

Interesting betting especially as Pelucchi has already abandoned the race
. Either very careless or very crafty from Paddy. It highlights how clueless the big firms can be, especially in these lower tier races.

Bit naughty, that.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 22, 2016, 01:54:26 AM
First prices from PP

Ewan Evs
Nizzolo 4/1
Pelucchi 4/1
Wippert 5/1
10/1 bar

Interesting betting especially as Pelucchi has already abandoned the race
. Either very careless or very crafty from Paddy. It highlights how clueless the big firms can be, especially in these lower tier races.

Bit naughty, that.

I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt as surely anyone who planned to back him would be aware he was a NR. Hopefully.
To me it shows how lazy firms can be when it comes to cycling. Nothing like the glory days of the ONCE spread bet but still enough mistakes for us to be profitable. Especially early doors. You really have to be waiting for the first couple of firms to price up and pounce.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on January 22, 2016, 05:23:43 AM
1. Gerrans
2. Swift
3. Nizzolo

Early season mistakes from me also. Sky smashed it over the last climb and then all the way to the line which resulted in most pure sprinters being dropped.
Swift couldn't finish off the good work as he was beaten by Gerrans who increases his race lead, somewhat surprisingly. He is clearly is top form heading into the showdown on Wilunga Hill tomorrow.

Poor start for me. Hoping for improvement as the season goes on!

In running total -4 points


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 03, 2016, 01:04:39 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfz1aW9TDeU

Good to see Kittel back.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 04, 2016, 10:28:53 PM
Spent an hour looking at stage 3 Dubai Tour.

All comes down to the final km or so with a final wall

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLgStxRu86Y

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-of-dubai/tour-of-dubai-stage-3/winner

Gilbert an obv choice, but this is only his 3rd day of racing.

Lobato, does not look to be as sharp as last year.

Cancellara, however does look leaner than ever. This finish looks ideal for him to test his power ahead of the spring classics. He already has a win at Trofeo Serra de Tramuntana. 7/1 looks a touch of value to me.

thoughts anyone?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 04, 2016, 10:31:08 PM
had a dabble 15/2 bfsb


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on February 04, 2016, 11:43:22 PM
Remember that from last year, sick ride from Degenkolb given he's a sprinter.

Lobato was 3rd last year in this if I recall correctly, but should struggle to climb as well as Gilbert and Cancellera.

top 3 in the betting look solid, Costa would interest me but unsure how motivated/fit he is.

good luck with Spartacus  :)up


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 05, 2016, 12:11:17 AM
Remember that from last year, sick ride from Degenkolb given he's a sprinter.

Lobato was 3rd last year in this if I recall correctly, but should struggle to climb as well as Gilbert and Cancellera.

top 3 in the betting look solid, Costa would interest me but unsure how motivated/fit he is.

good luck with Spartacus  :)up

thanks nell, early season winner would be nice.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 05, 2016, 05:42:06 AM
Spent an hour looking at stage 3 Dubai Tour.

All comes down to the final km or so with a final wall

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLgStxRu86Y

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-of-dubai/tour-of-dubai-stage-3/winner

Gilbert an obv choice, but this is only his 3rd day of racing.

Lobato, does not look to be as sharp as last year.

Cancellara, however does look leaner than ever. This finish looks ideal for him to test his power ahead of the spring classics. He already has a win at Trofeo Serra de Tramuntana. 7/1 looks a touch of value to me.

thoughts anyone?

Good write up pal. Followed you in


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 06, 2016, 06:39:08 AM
Stage 4 in Dubai will be in all likelihood fought out between the quick men.

Kittel dominated the only clean sprint finish so far on stage 1 but is very short at 8/11.
A dirty ew play on Mark Cavendish is recommended for a couple of reasons.
1. On stage 1 Cavendish had to start his sprint wide and with no cover, hopefully he can find Kittel's wheel as the German opens up and have a better chance to come around him.
2. Kittel rode a fine race yesterday to finish within 4 seconds of Lobato on Hatta Dam, so whilst this shows he is in form he may have entered the red and lost a little of his reserves for today. Cavendish was held up again and free wheeled home five minutes later.
3. Cavendish was clear second on stage one and is the only other top level sprinter in the race so if Kittel blows everyone away you'd fancy Cavendish to finish second anyway.
4. Cavendish is 11/2 1/5 odds 1,2,3 or 5/1 1/4 odds 1,2,3

Recommend 2 points ew either price.
https://m.oddschecker.com/t/cycling/tour-of-dubai/tour-of-dubai-stage-4/winner

Stage one last km:
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=Last+Km+of+Stage+1&dashboard=dubai-tour&id=qguWZ_MTIEg&yr=2016


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 06, 2016, 01:49:05 PM
Poor effort from Cavendish as he finishes 3rd behind the dominating Kittel and Viviani.
No harm done and even enough profit for a few pints of Kazakhstan's finest ale this evening.
Gl all and enjoy a prosperous weekened


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 19, 2016, 05:53:13 AM
Tour of Oman Stage 4

Richie Porte was amongst he pre race favourites but he has shown no inclination to race for the win preferring to treat the race as some warm weather training as he looks ahead to more prestigious targets later in the season.
However he has said he would have a "dig" on today's queen stage and at 22/1 it's hard to resist a little stab especially as the field, Nibali apart, is relatively week.

Recommend 1pt ew Richie Porte to win stage 4 of the Tour of Oman at 22/1(William Hill)

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/cycling/tour-of-oman/tour-of-oman-stage-4/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Steveswift on February 19, 2016, 08:03:04 AM
Thought that I should post. I know nothing about cycling but love to watch Tour De France and just wanted to say I love your posts and the effort you put in.  When I get more time I may watch other events.  In the mean time keep up the good work.

Regards


Steve


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 19, 2016, 08:57:30 AM
Thought that I should post. I know nothing about cycling but love to watch Tour De France and just wanted to say I love your posts and the effort you put in.  When I get more time I may watch other events.  In the mean time keep up the good work.

Regards


Steve


Thanks Steve, that's a very satisfying post to read. I started off just like you watching only the tour and gradually my interest increased until it exploded into a full blown obsession.
I must admit I enjoy the gambling angle almost as much as the sport itself, so many different possibilities and permutations that when the lucky pin finally hits the target you feel invincible.
Hopefully for the grand tours I'll put up a daily preview as the form is usually rock solid and the races are(in theory) easier to read and bet on.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 22, 2016, 02:29:03 PM
No luck during the desert swing. The season is yet to warm up so I'm looking ahead to a couple of monuments where the form is solid as everyone is trying their hardest.
Like comparing an October novice hurdle at Fakenham to the Cheltenham festival. In these races everyone should be peaking and trying.

If I may continue with the laborious horsey metaphor I've chose a couple of improving types with course and distance form.

Milan - San Remo - March 19th

The longest single day race of the season at a mind boggling 298kms. It's one for the real hard men. Not much climbing as such but two short sharp climbs inside the last 25kms are ensconced in cycling folklore.
The Cipressa and the Poggio are designed to sap the last dregs of energy from the sprinters who are licking their lips at the flat finale.
If and its a fair sized if, a top notch sprinter can make it over the Poggio with the lead group then they would fancy their chances against the likely strong men remaining.
This brings me to Nacer Bouhanni, the Frenchman did the tough task of hanging in last year then managed to balls up his sprint and finish 6th.
He was comfortable the strongest sprinter on paper and was clearly upset at messing it up...
... However that was early days with his new team Confidis, he is only 25 years old so reasonable progress could be expected
and he won a 'similar' type of stage in the Tour Of Andalucia last week.

Recommend 3pts EW at 18/1(hills)

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/cycling/one-day-classics/milan-sanremo/winner

Ronde Van Vlaanderen - April 3rd

The Tour Of Flanders in a Belgian cobbled classic of 256km including 18 climbs(8 of them cobbled) and 7 cobbled flat sections.
Riding over cobbles is one of the most feared and specialised disciplines in all of pro cycling. You're either good at it or your not. A huge field of riders can be narrowed down to 12-15 possible winners simply due to their bike handling skills.
Cobbled classics are a combination of skill, determination and good luck and I bloody love them.
So if I was to tell you that a rider is available at 33/1 after finishing 5th last year as a mere 21 year old you'd think I was joking...
Step forward Tiesj Benoot a rider for the Lotto Soudal team.
A popular tactic in these races is for teams to throw in all their best cobbled riders and see how it goes with little structure or designated team leader. Then come 25-30km to go, approaching the Paterberg climb, repeated attacks will be made and one will stick. Maybe it will stay away, maybe not. It's the strongest that will win. So I'm pinning my colours to Benoot surely finding a little more strength, tactical nous and maybe team support than he had last year.

Recommend 2pts EW at 33/1(365)

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/cycling/one-day-classics/tour-of-flanders/winner

Thanks for reading and if you'd like to read more about these historic races then click these:-
http://inrng.com/2015/03/milan-sanremo-preview-2015/
http://www.cyclosport.org/event/04-Apr-2015/Belgium/tour-of-flanders-ronde-van-vlaanderen-cyclo.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 25, 2016, 09:19:38 PM
Good post Tommy, ty

Just getting back into the cycling here, (Skiing still on though). But will def be watching

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2cyZuuOOTQ


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 26, 2016, 01:40:53 PM
I'm looking forward to it as well mate.
Backing a few outsiders
Rowe 33/1
Stuyven 66/1
Deveyens 66/1
Drucker 80/1

My team to go to war


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 26, 2016, 01:44:38 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/omloop-het-nieuwsblad/winner

Just having a browse, looks a quality field with plenty of inform riders, maybe a dozen or so with a shout.

It's possible Kristoff & Sagan may feel Sunday at Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne is a better race for them.

Ettix & Lotto-Soudal have the strongest teams with more options, BMC with GVA not far behind.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 26, 2016, 01:47:03 PM
I'm looking forward to it as well mate.
Backing a few outsiders
Rowe 33/1
Stuyven 66/1
Deveyens 66/1
Drucker 80/1

My team to go to war

tempted by your man Benoot, but hoping for better than 14/1 available.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 26, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
I'm looking forward to it as well mate.
Backing a few outsiders
Rowe 33/1
Stuyven 66/1
Deveyens 66/1
Drucker 80/1

My team to go to war

tempted by your man Benoot, but hoping for better than 14/1 available.

Hoping this is just a pipe opener for Benoot, he will be a superstar one day soon. Just hope the value doesn't disappear before he wins a big one!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 26, 2016, 10:15:28 PM
I'm looking forward to it as well mate.
Backing a few outsiders
Rowe 33/1
Stuyven 66/1
Deveyens 66/1
Drucker 80/1

My team to go to war

tempted by your man Benoot, but hoping for better than 14/1 available.

Hoping this is just a pipe opener for Benoot, he will be a superstar one day soon. Just hope the value doesn't disappear before he wins a big one!

Seems Benoot & Debusschere are sharing leadership in this one, for me gotta go with 40/1 EW on Debus. Was excellent last year in Flanders, hoping he can make another step up this year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 27, 2016, 06:02:27 AM
I'm looking forward to it as well mate.
Backing a few outsiders
Rowe 33/1
Stuyven 66/1
Deveyens 66/1
Drucker 80/1

My team to go to war

tempted by your man Benoot, but hoping for better than 14/1 available.

Hoping this is just a pipe opener for Benoot, he will be a superstar one day soon. Just hope the value doesn't disappear before he wins a big one!

Seems Benoot & Debusschere are sharing leadership in this one, for me gotta go with 40/1 EW on Debus. Was excellent last year in Flanders, hoping he can make another step up this year.

I think Lotto Soudal are a brilliantly run team so I'm always pleased to see their guys go well.
Roelandts must have a chance as well, possibly too many cooks spoiling the broth so speak ala Etixx last year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on February 27, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcOF8MaXIAABn_w.jpg)

TIESJ locals out in force for the home lad


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 27, 2016, 01:26:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcOF8MaXIAABn_w.jpg)

TIESJ locals out in force for the home lad

Cycling needs a new Belgian superstar to worship, Boonen and Gilbert are on the wain.
The classics need a new generation of riders, Cancellara is closing in on retirement as well so next year could look very different.
When Kristoff and Sagan are fans for Flanders then you know we are missing a few hard men in the peloton.
Looking towards Vanmarcke and Stybar to step up before Benoot dominates for 5 years.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 28, 2016, 04:53:00 AM
Kuurne - Brussels - Kuurne 200.7kms
(http://i.imgur.com/d7SdwRS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/xcpFWoD.jpg)

The first classic type sprinter's one day race of the season.
11 short sharp climbs but the last comes 53km from the finish so it's usually the fast men who fight out the finish.

2015 Mark Cavendish
2014 Tom Boonen
2013 no race
2012 Mark Cavendish
2011 Chris Sutton
2010 Bobbie Traksel(who?)

Weather

Cold, dry and windy. Temperature reaching 7 degrees and winds steady at about 20kms. Not particularly pleasant.

Main contenders

Alexander Kristoff
(http://i.imgur.com/IYc1zgm.jpg)

Loves his type of race and is practically unstoppable on his day. Best price 13/8

Ella Viviani
(http://i.imgur.com/i2oWKMI.jpg)

Seriously quick, can he retain his power after all the climbs? Lack of a decent lead out train tempers enthusiasm. 7/1

Peter Sagan
(http://i.imgur.com/CSXxKDZ.jpg)

Worked very hard yesterday in a break for 50 odd kms before ultimately losing out to GVA. Interesting to see how he will go today. 12/1

Nacer Bouhanni
(http://i.imgur.com/uguqNho.jpg)

Our hope for Milan - San Remo gets an audition for the part. Seriously fast, improving on the climbs, wholly unpredictable and a bit of a bellend. What's not to like? 14/1

Caleb Ewan
(http://i.imgur.com/ZT0HagD.jpg)

The joker in the pack, annihilated lesser opposition in the Tour Down Under, young, untested on cobbles and lots to prove. A fascinating contender and the man I'll be watching all day. 16/1

Other contenders

Boonen, Nizzolo, Demare, Bennett, GVA and of course many others. In a normal run race these guys wouldn't be good enough but as wel know cycling can throw up all sorts of permutations.

Recommendation

I can't resist Bouhanni after suggesting him for a similar race next month and a bet on Ewan which could go horribly wrong but seems very fun is advised. If he is there at the end he could be hard to beat. A decent chance he won't be there however so I think win only is the way to go for him.

Probably a race to sit back and enjoy but after spending half an hour on the write up I can't possibly go without a bet or two.

Nacer Bouhanni 1pt ew 14/1 PP
Caleb Ewan 1pt win 16/1 PP

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/cycling/one-day-classics/kuurne-bruxelles-kuurne/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on February 28, 2016, 09:34:16 AM
gl Tommy. I had a bit of look around for an alternative angle as Kristoff was a bit short for my liking. In one article I read they raised the possibility of Sagan working for Bennati. I doubt he'd be leading him out but he could place some decoy attacks in the last few K's and disrupt other teams, whilst gaining some domestique brownie points with Bennati for later on in the season. It may be nothing and I'm not sure Bennati is good enough to beat this field, but he comes into the race in fair form (won stage 1 of Ruta Del Sol) and at 200/1 he'll be my first banzai of the season e/w


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 28, 2016, 09:39:21 AM
gl Tommy. I had a bit of look around for an alternative angle as Kristoff was a bit short for my liking. In one article I read they raised the possibility of Sagan working for Bennati. I doubt he'd be leading him out but he could place some decoy attacks in the last few K's and disrupt other teams, whilst gaining some domestique brownie points with Bennati for later on in the season. It may be nothing and I'm not sure Bennati is good enough to beat this field, but he comes into the race in fair form (won stage 1 of Ruta Del Sol) and at 200/1 he'll be my first banzai of the season e/w

Good enough for me pal. I'll follow you in for a few pennies, also backed Hutarovich at an insulting 300/1. A decent one day rider with some reasonable results including a second in this race in 2012.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on February 28, 2016, 10:03:07 AM
gl Tommy. I had a bit of look around for an alternative angle as Kristoff was a bit short for my liking. In one article I read they raised the possibility of Sagan working for Bennati. I doubt he'd be leading him out but he could place some decoy attacks in the last few K's and disrupt other teams, whilst gaining some domestique brownie points with Bennati for later on in the season. It may be nothing and I'm not sure Bennati is good enough to beat this field, but he comes into the race in fair form (won stage 1 of Ruta Del Sol) and at 200/1 he'll be my first banzai of the season e/w

Good enough for me pal. I'll follow you in for a few pennies, also backed Hutarovich at an insulting 300/1. A decent one day rider with some reasonable results including a second in this race in 2012.

I'll have some on Hutarovich also then. let's hope for a boilover!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 28, 2016, 11:27:42 AM
So much for my weather report. It's raining at the start.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on February 28, 2016, 11:31:22 AM
So much for my weather report. It's raining at the start.

haha,the crazier the weather the more chance of a random result though


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 28, 2016, 12:00:18 PM
So much for my weather report. It's raining at the start.

haha,the crazier the weather the more chance of a random result though

Wind is howling as well. Exciting.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Steveswift on February 28, 2016, 04:39:19 PM
Hi guys I find myself with a spare hour. Where can I watch or follow some of this? Tv or online.  Cheers

Steve


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on February 28, 2016, 04:47:13 PM
Hey, sorry I missed you Steve. Most cycling is shown on Eurosport in the UK and Europe and if not there are always plenty of live streams kicking about.
Sporza are an Italian station streaming straight to YouTube these days.
Next time we have a decent race I'll put up a link(if allowed).


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Supernova on February 29, 2016, 08:50:26 PM
Saw the highlights of  Kurrne - Brussels- Kurne on Eurosport last night.
Bit of a suprise that it wasnt a sprint finish. 
I really enjoy the spring classics on Eurosport. Always try and watch them live.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 01, 2016, 03:32:09 AM
We've got a feast of one day classics on the horizon, Le Samyn on Wednesday and Strade Bianchi on Saturday.
I'll try and do a decent write up for Strade when I get an hour or so during the week so keep your eyes peeled.
A minuscule .5pt profit from Kuurne but we'll take it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 02, 2016, 12:40:14 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQX_ovrxow4

Wonderful race if the sky is blue, a mudfest if any rain is about. I'll be tuning in.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 02, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQX_ovrxow4

Wonderful race if the sky is blue, a mudfest if any rain is about. I'll be tuning in.

let's hope for rain then :-) I prefer it when they have to battle the elements also


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 03, 2016, 11:51:50 AM
Very good interview with Tiesj Benoot in this weeks Cycling podcast. Smart lad.

http://thecyclingpodcast.com/podcast/7-cometh-the-cobbles


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 03, 2016, 09:53:27 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQX_ovrxow4

Wonderful race if the sky is blue, a mudfest if any rain is about. I'll be tuning in.

let's hope for rain then :-) I prefer it when they have to battle the elements also

Who has the edge GVA, already shown he is in world class form this season. or Stybar, superb last year, cyclo-cross world champ, but not shown much yet this year.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 03, 2016, 11:00:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/35719795

Laura Trott, 2 Olympic golds, & now her 6th Worlds jersey. Only 23  ;applause; ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 04, 2016, 01:43:42 AM
Anyone found prices for Strade?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 04, 2016, 05:44:45 AM
Le Strade Bianche 176.1 Km March 5th

(http://i.imgur.com/oiosEGq.jpg)

The race literally translated as "The White Roads" is so called because around 1/4 of the race is raced on the white dirt roads of Siena in Italy.

(http://i.imgur.com/WbYROTc.jpg)

The grey areas in the profile are the dirt roads, 9 sections, with distances range from 0.8kms to 11.9kms.
Riding road bikes on dirt roads is usually a recipe for disaster, expect punctures and crashes galore and the team mechanics can be expected to earn their salaries in this race.
Short sharp climbs puncture the entire route and it's a race where decisive action can happen at any moment.
The race has only existed since 2007 but has already become a fans favourite due to the unpredictability of the race.

Previous Winners

2015 Zdenek Stybar Cze
2014 Michael Kwiatkowski Pol
2013 Moreno Moser Ita
2012 Fabian Cancellara Swi
2011 Phillipe Gilbert Bel
2010 Maxime Iglinsky Kaz
2009 Thomas Lovkvist Swe
2008 Fabian Cancellara Swi
2007 Alexandr Kolobnev Rus

A delightful mix from a betting point of view, some 4/1 fav types mixed in with 150/1+ probable or proven dopers, last couple of years the winners have come from the second tier of the betting 10/1 - 20/1 so basically there is no trend to follow and you'll pay your money and take your chance. Perfect.

The Weather

If the dirt roads and endless climbing weren't tough enough then this...

(http://i.imgur.com/lEDPwc4.png)

... is the icing on the cake. Driving rain will cause utter havoc and possible devastation amongst the peloton.
Expect riders to come home at long long intervals or more likely in the back of the team car.

Leading contenders

Although the race has been shortened by 25kms, the terrain and weather forecast dictates that we should be looking at real strongmen. There is a 16% ramp in the last two KMs but I envisage such a small leading group(possibly a soloist) that climbing prowess goes out of the window in favour of pure strength.

Zdenek Stybar

Last year's winner, former cyclocross world champion, toothless wattage producing machine and all round hard bastard, Stybar will be praying for conditions to be as testing as possible. He excels in rain and mud and simply ticks all the boxes required for this race. A worthy favourite.  6/1

Greg Van Avermaet

Former nearly man turned ruthless assassin? Always an incredibly difficult rider to drop in one day races, he seemed to find a way to bollocks up the sprint on numerous occasions. He had 16 top ten finishes in so called one day classics until he finally converted in Omloop last weekend. Does it herald a new dawn in his career? At 6/1 I'm not prepared to risk my cash in finding out. Probably the most rock solid place bet but for win purposes I'm happy to look elsewhere.

Peter Sagan

The World Champion sedetermined to make proud the rainbow stripes, a true old fashioned(highly skilled but fairly crazy) rider, he possesses all the attributes required as long as he can channel them correctly. I feel that he wants to do some notable things whilst World Champion and he can be relied on to illuminate almost every race he is in. Is that the best tactic to win Strade Bianche? No, not really. If you disagree he's a 8/1 shot.

Fabian Cancellara

Can Spartacus summon up one last season of magic? Not the best tactically(heresy!) he has long relied on shocking brute power to blast away the best riders of his generation. His motor(geddit?) might not be quite what it used to be, does he have the tactical nous to compensate? It's a quandary. In his favour is the fact his team at Trek is stronger than it has ever been so he won't be the only Trek rider left in the lead group at the half way point like so many times in the past. 8/1

Vincenzo Nibali

Who can forget stage 5 of the 2014 Tour De France. Nibali attacked early on the way to Arenberg and basically won the race in the rain on the cobbles. The man who helped increased the gap and eventually won the stage that day was Lars Boom of Team Belkin, he is now a teammate of Nibali at Astana but Boom will not be present due to dodgy circumstances involving an inhaler and injury.
Nibali's season goal is the Tour D'Italia and he maybe just off his peak this weekend. 9/1

Other possibles
A list as long as my arm, including Kwiatkowski, Vakoc, Benoot, Valverde plus at least a dozen more.

Summary
Time to bet like men. Zdenek Stybar was made for this race, for these conditions and for my bank balance.
Paddy are the only firm priced up and maybe we can nick an extra point somewhere during the day.

Recommend 5pts on Zdenek Stybar at 6/1 or better


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 04, 2016, 12:55:34 PM
Excellent write up Tommy, thanks.

Plenty to think about, I'm still wary on Stybar's form. GVA is flying right now.

For now I think a small bet on Vakoc, on the basis of form, & the hope Ettix get him in a late break while the GVA, Stybar, Cancellara & Co mark each other.

Good luck.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 04, 2016, 01:08:55 PM
Excellent write up Tommy, thanks.

Plenty to think about, I'm still wary on Stybar's form. GVA is flying right now.

For now I think a small bet on Vakoc, on the basis of form, & the hope Ettix get him in a late break while the GVA, Stybar, Cancellara & Co mark each other.

Good luck.

I like the thought process pal. I just feel if the weather is as anticipated then there won't be too many tactics from each teams second and third string riders, expecting to see a group of less than 15 from about 50kms from home. Rain, wind and dirt roads doesn't usually equate to a group of 50 sticking together for the majority of the race.
Literally anything can happen and whilst I expect Stybar to be right in the thick of it, it makes sense to throw a couple of darts on some huge prices riders as history proves this race can have a surprising winner.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 04, 2016, 01:21:20 PM
Excellent write up Tommy, thanks.

Plenty to think about, I'm still wary on Stybar's form. GVA is flying right now.

For now I think a small bet on Vakoc, on the basis of form, & the hope Ettix get him in a late break while the GVA, Stybar, Cancellara & Co mark each other.

Good luck.

I like the thought process pal. I just feel if the weather is as anticipated then there won't be too many tactics from each teams second and third string riders, expecting to see a group of less than 15 from about 50kms from home. Rain, wind and dirt roads doesn't usually equate to a group of 50 sticking together for the majority of the race.
Literally anything can happen and whilst I expect Stybar to be right in the thick of it, it makes sense to throw a couple of darts on some huge prices riders as history proves this race can have a surprising winner.

True, all crystal ball stuff really, race conditions in last 50km or so is crucial. My shortlist of possible winners is 12. The best two riders in the field, GVA & Stybar are 3 star (out of 5) only for me, mainly because rain could make it a lottery.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 05, 2016, 10:22:28 AM

‏@nedboulting
Good luck to all my commentator colleagues working on the #StradeBianche today.

"An attack by...someone....brown.."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcxKwAKWEAANx_m.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 05, 2016, 10:45:27 AM

‏@nedboulting
Good luck to all my commentator colleagues working on the #StradeBianche today.

"An attack by...someone....brown.."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcxKwAKWEAANx_m.jpg:large)

any online stream for the race?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 05, 2016, 11:04:26 AM
http://www.cyclinghub.tv/livestream

normally on here, around 12.30 ish.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 05, 2016, 11:49:04 AM
http://www.cyclinghub.tv/livestream

normally on here, around 12.30 ish.

cheers, might be able to sneak half an hour in before rugby


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 05, 2016, 12:58:46 PM
Lizzie Armitstead is on fire this season

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcyFqTjW4AA2zBp.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 05, 2016, 01:43:13 PM
Chaos already, lead group of around 35, it's raining and blowing a gale.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 05, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Not looking as bad as expected, dry at the moment with 50 km to go


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 05, 2016, 02:10:01 PM
Yes my bad, a sharp shower came down but if anything it's made the roads a little more compact and easier to ride.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 05, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
1. Cancellara
2. Stybar
3. Brambilla
4. Sagan

Quality from Spartacus, Stybar had every chance, a dream ride for basically the last 10kms. Had to do no work as his teammate was away up the road but he still couldn't overhaul Cancellara in the downhill sprint. No complaints from me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 05, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
unlucky Tommy. Pretty good race, enjoyed it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 06, 2016, 04:59:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/09n6OkZ.png)

The race for the sun is a week long stage race with a little of everything.

Prologue
(http://i.imgur.com/YEiMPAd.png)

Stage 1
(http://i.imgur.com/7btPKEB.png)

Stage 2
(http://i.imgur.com/m9STfNf.png)

Stage 3
(http://i.imgur.com/h68xOiH.png)

Stage 4
(http://i.imgur.com/Vq2HxX1.png)

Stage 5
(http://i.imgur.com/F7JyX7v.png)

Stage 6
(http://i.imgur.com/Zlb82CP.png)

Stage 7
(http://i.imgur.com/2hHVbKG.png)

Previous Winners

2015   PORTE Richie   
2014   BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto   
2013   PORTE Richie   
2012   WIGGINS Bradley   
2011   MARTIN Tony   
2010   CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto   
2009   SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   
2008   REBELLIN Davide   
2007   CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto   
2006   LANDIS Floyd

A grand tour compressed into 8 days. Race against the clock for the power men? Yup. Flat finishes to excite the sprinters? Check. Classic type stages for the puncheurs? You bet. Mountain top finish to seperate the men from the boys? Of course, what do you take us for?

Outright winner contenders

Alberto Contador
7 time grand tour winner(officially) and dual winner of this race. His three Tour de France wins(one wiped out by a doping ban) have all been preceded by racing here where he finished 1st, 4th and 1st. His first visit to this race for 6 years as he tries to end his career with another TDF victory.

Geraint Thomas
Sky's joker in the pack. A beautiful all round cyclist, capable on almost any stage. This makes him dangerous in a race like this. Will hope to take time in the prologue and hilly stages before trying to defend on the mountain top finishes.

Tom Dumoulin
Last season's breakout performer, showed incredible courage in the Vuelta, leading the race with around 50kms of real racing left before he finally cracked under sustained Astana attacks. A supremely strong time trialler, he would perhaps have preferred a longer TT. Don't underestimate.

Richie Porte
Another dual winner, Richie is into his first season with BMC and his first taste of being the head honcho. Porte has spoken of peaking for certain races this season and has played down his chances in this race as "a chance to get more race days in the legs". His previous wins have come when Sky allowed him to lead the team in thanks for his continued support of Froome in the TDF. May not be as motivated this time around.

Romain Bardet
The next, next, next, next, next, next big French hope. Will probably lose time in the prologue, hang around in the hilly stages then be left with a fair sized deficit to make up in the mountains. Love watching him race but would prefer more mountain kms and may well have too much to do.

Other contenders
As previous winners have shown, it's possible for TTers, puncheurs or mountain men to win this race, we can't rule many out barring the sprinters so riders like Gallopin, Rui Costa, Spilak, Kelderman + 30 others have chances.

Bets
Not a race for getting too heavily involved in punting wise but being the degenerate I am I just can't resist.
I like the look of a couple of guys at bigger prices who can time trial well and also climb a bit.
Simon Spilak from Katusha is a very good rider who can tt and climb very well when in form. A decent price to find out.
Same goes for LottoNL-Jumbo's Wilco Kelderman, a second tier grand tour rider, he can be competitive in a race like this.

Recommendation
1 pt ew Simon Spilak 22/1 Paddy Power
1 pt ew Wilco Kelderman 33/1 Will Hill

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/cycling/paris-nice/winner

If you made it this far thanks for reading and of course good luck.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 06, 2016, 06:10:49 AM
Prologue bets

Had a peruse of the prologue, as I like to look into the weather factor on short courses as a second here and there can make all the difference.
I think early starters have a small advantage with regards to the wind so will have a couple of bets.
.5pts ew Wilco Kelderman 18/1 PP
.5pts ew Jerome Coppel 33/1 PP


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 06, 2016, 10:46:31 AM
Thanks Tommy, I'm certainly behind Spilak, he's a profitable rider for me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 06, 2016, 11:50:02 AM
Prologue bets

Had a peruse of the prologue, as I like to look into the weather factor on short courses as a second here and there can make all the difference.
I think early starters have a small advantage with regards to the wind so will have a couple of bets.
.5pts ew Wilco Kelderman 18/1 PP
.5pts ew Jerome Coppel 33/1 PP


rain later, early starters could have best of it. Team LottoNL - Jumbo have Jos van Emden with an early start, could surprise Dumoulin.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 07, 2016, 10:13:45 AM
Turns out the late starters had the best of it as the rain failed to materialise and the wind shifted to help.
Shame as Coppel and Kelderman were top two for a good while and just a few drops of rain would have sown up the win.
Onwards and upwards

Paris - Nice Stage 1
A tricky stage to call as the profile suggest one for the out and out quicks but there are a couple of sections of sterrato(dirt roads) close enough to the end and a short climb very close. Kittel although in form could easily be dropped, Griepel is recovering from injury so I'll go for two riders who should be able to handle the roads easily.

A Kristoff 2pt win 5/1 PP
A Demare .5pt EW 25/1 Various


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 07, 2016, 11:02:16 AM
It's snowing! Today could get very messy. Think a few long shots could be a decent play today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 08, 2016, 06:16:18 AM
Stage 1 results

1. A Demare
2. B Swift
3. N Bouhanni

(http://i.imgur.com/6zo8E16.jpg)

Finally found a winner in the shape of Demare. Pretty happy with how the stage went in so far as Kittel was dropped on the climb and Griepel wasn't in good enough shape to try and contest the sprint.
Kristoff and his horrible Katusha team were all caught out when a split in the peloton formed with 50kms to go, just as they were making contact again he had a mechanical and it was game over.

In other news Bouhanni seems to be coming to the boil quite nicely with regards to the ante post Milan San Remo bet I've placed. Third yesterday and probably should have won but he let Demare take the advantage then found trouble in running. Promising signs however.

Stage 2 today looks likely to be a genuine bunch sprint with the finale a lot flatter and a more open road than yesterday. Kittel is favourite at around 11/10, with doubts surrounding Griepel he seems a worthy favourite. I'm not going to have a bet today. I'll watch the last 20kms but I'll be watching the start of the T20 cricket World Cup all evening.

Thanks for reading


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 08, 2016, 10:24:47 AM
well done Tommy  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on March 08, 2016, 03:24:38 PM
Well done Tommy, 1st winner of many!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 09, 2016, 02:41:17 AM
Stage 2 results

1. M Matthews
2. N Bonifazio
3. N Bouhanni

Bouhanni cements his title of biggest tosser in the peloton by doing this...

(http://i.imgur.com/vQyFjqr.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/otJ0pL8.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ry05ip7.jpg)

Matthews came up the inside to win the race and Bouhanni edged him almost into the barriers. Although in my opinion the man coming from behind(ooh err) should challenge on the outside this was pretty dangerous and Bouhanni was disqualified and placed third. It's looks awful but Matthews isn't blameless in this.
Hopefully Bouhanni gets his revenge in Milan San Remo!

Small splits at the finish saw some GC contenders lose between 5 and 12 seconds. Kelderman lost 5 which is annoying but so did Contador and a few others. Spilak completely out of contention after a shocking ride from Katusha yesterday.

Race standings

AUS  1  MATTHEWS, Michael (ORICA GreenEDGE)    9:41:46
NED  2  DUMOULIN, Tom (GIANT - ALPECIN)           + 14
NZL  3  BEVIN, Patrick (CANNONDALE)               + 19
ESP  4  IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI, Jon (MOVISTAR)     
GBR  5  THOMAS, Geraint (SKY)                 
NED  6  WESTRA, Lieuwe (ASTANA)                   + 24
BEL  7  DEVENYNS, Dries (IAM CYCLING)             + 25
FRA  8  DEMARE, Arnaud (FDJ)                   
POL  9  MAJKA, Rafal (TINKOFF)                    + 27
AUS  10 PORTE, Richie (BMC RACING)             
BEL  11 WELLENS, Tim (LOTTO SOUDAL)               + 28
NED  12 KELDERMAN, Wilco (LOTTO NL - JUMBO)       + 30
BEL  13 VANMARCKE, Sep (LOTTO NL - JUMBO)         + 31
ESP  14 IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI, Gorka (MOVISTAR)   
ESP  15 FERNANDEZ, Ruben (MOVISTAR)           
KAZ  16 LUTSENKO, Alexey (ASTANA)                 + 33
FRA  17 GALLOPIN, Tony (LOTTO SOUDAL)         
ESP  18 CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (TINKOFF)   
GBR  19 YATES, Simon (ORICA GreenEDGE)            + 37
LTU  20 KONOVALOVAS, Ignatas (FDJ)             

A cracking stage in store today with 6 categorised climbs culminating in a ride up Mont Brouilly to our first mountain top finish. Should be exciting, I'll post my picks up when I make them.





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 09, 2016, 05:45:40 AM
Another week long stage race begins today. Tirreno - Adriatico contains a ITT, TTT, sprints, lumps, bumps, hills, mountains, rain, sun etc. Looks an exciting race but unfortunately there is no live Eurosport coverage in my location so although I'll be watching the highlights, I won't be getting involved financially.

Decent preview here...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tirreno-adriatico-2016/preview/

Odds here...
https://m.oddschecker.com/t/cycling/tirreno-adriatico/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on March 09, 2016, 08:22:32 AM
Enjoying your previews and reports Tommy. Keep it up.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2016, 10:01:01 AM
Could Matthews hang on for the overall win? Not beyond the realms, he has the ability to hang on in the climbs.

Have had a small ew on Vuillermoz for today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 09, 2016, 10:13:30 AM
Paris - Nice Stage 3

A really difficult stage to get to grips with. I am not sure if it will go to a puncheur with strong climbing legs or a mountain man with a bit of a kick.
So I've chosen one of each.

(http://i.imgur.com/hHQNHR0.jpg)
Tom Dumoulin has been a revelation in the last 9 months. He looked so strong on the dirt roads on Monday, beautifully positioned, seemingly cruising and he won a similar stage in last year's Vuelta, with a steep finishing climb after a rolling day(stage 9).

(http://i.imgur.com/AscdYFH.jpg)
Tony Gallopin talked in an interview on Monday about how all winter he sole focus has been this race. No prepping for grand tours or one day classics for him, this is his big/only early season goal, this route seems to suit him and we know he will be giving it all and not saving something for bigger battles ahead. If he is close with a km to go then it's possible his power can shine through and he can blast away to victory.

Recommendations

T Dumoulin 1pt EW 12/1 365
T Gallopin 1pt EW 20/1 PP

rinswun thanks for the kind words, it genuinely motivates me to continue writing and making the content more interesting when I know people are reading.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on March 09, 2016, 10:19:28 AM
No worries. I think your previews are excellent and I like your thought process so will be following you in each time.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 09, 2016, 10:19:54 AM
Could Matthews hang on for the overall win? Not beyond the realms, he has the ability to hang on in the climbs.

Have had a small ew on Vuillermoz for today.

He could hang on today sure but stage 6 looks pretty tough, he has some sort of chance as we have seen wearing the leader's jersey really motivates riders but I wouldn't be backing him to do it, best price of 10/1 to win the race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
Could Matthews hang on for the overall win? Not beyond the realms, he has the ability to hang on in the climbs.

Have had a small ew on Vuillermoz for today.

He could hang on today sure but stage 6 looks pretty tough, he has some sort of chance as we have seen wearing the leader's jersey really motivates riders but I wouldn't be backing him to do it, best price of 10/1 to win the race.

Today & tomorrow he certainly has a chance of bonus seconds, possible to have close to a minute on Contador. Stage 5 tricky to control in yellow with Ventoux early in the stage, but doable. Stage 6 as you say the Queen stage, but finish on the Madone is a steady 5-6% for 15km, & possible to control time losses. Certainly not backable at 10s, but the 100/1 pre race would of been nice.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 09, 2016, 12:54:08 PM
Agree with that but likely to just have around 10-15 seconds on Thomas. In my eyes Thomas and Dumoulin are more of a threat that Contador.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 09, 2016, 04:03:25 PM
Stage 3 was neutralised after 100kms then cancelled/abandoned altogether because of snow.
This snow to be precise...

(http://i.imgur.com/8nnX9RQ.jpg)

Who'd have thought, snow, in Italy, in the mountains, in early March.

Oh well, standings remained unaltered and we move on to stage 4 tomorrow.
Matthews was dropped before the cancellation but he won't lose any time. So he still has the yellow jersey with his lead intact but seems less likely he will be able to defend on the tougher stages.

Stroke of fortune for you Tonji, Vuillermoz had crashed and abandoned but you'll get your stake refunded.
Stay lucky.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2016, 04:07:18 PM
ha, had just tuned in for the finish. Oh well back to work.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 09, 2016, 04:11:43 PM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/03/D4B_6039.jpg)

by my friends Jered & Ashley Gruber.

full gallery here http://cyclingtips.com/2016/03/photo-gallery-2016-mens-strade-bianche/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 09, 2016, 04:12:36 PM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/03/D4B_6039.jpg)

by my friends Jered & Ashley Gruber.

full gallery here http://cyclingtips.com/2016/03/photo-gallery-2016-mens-strade-bianche/

What a fantastic photograph!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on March 09, 2016, 06:33:20 PM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/03/D4B_6039.jpg)

by my friends Jered & Ashley Gruber.

full gallery here http://cyclingtips.com/2016/03/photo-gallery-2016-mens-strade-bianche/

What a fantastic photograph!

Indeed. TV coverage and the quality of the riders, often hides just how tough some of these courses are.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 10, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
No bet in Paris - Nice today. Another sprint stage not really whetting my appetite. I have found a bet in Tirreno - Adriatico. I like the Frenchman Thibaut Pinot to win the race outright. Again it boils down to focus and application and I read an interview where he says this is his big early season target and not a warm up for Giro(Nibali) or the classics(Valverde). His FDJ team rode out of their skin yesterday in the TTT and actually took time on most GC contenders in a discipline they have historically struggled.
Nibali and Valverde both looked below par last weekend and I think this race could just be a fine tuning mission ahead of bigger targets.

Reccomend
Thibaut Pinot to win Tirreno - Adriatico outright 2pts EW at 9/1 with Paddy Power


(http://i.imgur.com/Mvnma5R.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on March 11, 2016, 06:33:07 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA-Ud-vIUC0

Really impressive sprint, plenty left in the tank I think, he's gonna take some beating.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on March 13, 2016, 04:22:26 AM
A curveball has gazumped our Thubaut Pinot, or a snowball to be more precise.
Heavy snow has cause the cancellation of the big mountain top finish on Sunday, ruining our chances of a pay out.
Such is life.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 02, 2016, 10:30:31 AM
I have a break from business commitments this weekend, just in time for one of the great one day races of the year.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh-qMsd1lAA

Personally, I'd love to see Spartacus take his 4th win in his final year of racing.

I've taken some of the 12/1 available on betty earlier in the week for GVA. He's close to the level of Sagan & Cancellara this year, & his form here is as good as anyone.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_SuFAskZ_U

The Sky lineup looks awesome, I can see them really attacking in the final selection with at least four strong options in Thomas, Kwiat', Rowe & Stannard.

Any suggestions for a nicely priced outsider?



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 06:40:35 AM
Morning all. I'm back from my recent hiatus. Went to India to watch some cricket.

Anyway today is one of the iconic races of the season.

Tour Of Flanders 255.9km

(http://i.imgur.com/td6tN0o.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZM919sx.jpg)

Profile
(http://i.imgur.com/gs82AMg.jpg)

Climbs
(http://i.imgur.com/kQpMGkK.png)

Weather
(http://i.imgur.com/x1l1vRe.png)


Contenders

Fabian Cancellara
(http://i.imgur.com/NJidSEx.jpg)

It's his final season, can the undisputed recent king of the cobbles script a fairytale ending? He is in fantastic form, winning Strade Bianchi this season and as a three time former champion it's very difficult to see how he isn't there at the business end. Capable of incredible bursts of power up the cobbles after 240km. He is a worthy favourite. 3/1

Peter Sagan
(http://i.imgur.com/CM0XhWK.jpg)

The pretender to Canc's crown as the man to beat in monuments. Current world champion, he is having an excellent season with a win in Gent-Wevelghem and his customary array of second place finishes. Tactically improving all the time and has a huge chance of winning his first monument today. 9/2.

Greg Van Avermaet
(http://i.imgur.com/nsfOcra.jpg)

The great Belgian hope is the absence of any meaningful form of Tom Boonen and Phil Gilbert. Like Sagan he had been a perennial bridesmaid but has worked on his tactics and has benefitted from being the clear leader at BMC. Can he follow the decisive attacks and be there at the end? Would have a great chance if it came to a sprint finish. Beat Sagan at Omloop and won the GC in a snow decimated Adriatico. Form has tailed off a little but it's possible he can peak again here. 11/1.

Sep Vanmarcke
(http://i.imgur.com/XIEenLE.jpg)

An absolute wattage powerhouse and long touted as a monument winner, will today be the day for Sep? Clearly capable of mixing it with anyone you could say his results over the last couple of years are disappointing. Lots of top 10s without ever really looking like winning a big one. Think he struggles for a little tactical nous and his team is reasonably awful. 12/1

Michal Kwiatkowski
(http://i.imgur.com/2DF68C9.jpg)

Team Sky's big money signing, purchased specifically to win these types of races, races that have so far eluded Team Sky as they still await their first monument win. Has a very strong team behind him(if they are all in for him) and don't expect to see him mentioned until he pops up at just the right time. An intelligent rider, he is able to win solo or in a sprint which makes him very dangerous. 14/1

Tiesj Benoot
(http://i.imgur.com/GU1AYBh.jpg)

The apple of my eye, burst into the limelight with a 5th place finish here last year as a 21 year old. Almost unfathomable achievement and limitless potential. Will surely win multiple classics and monuments. Has actually been a little below my expectations this season, riding well without ever really lighting up a race. Surely training to peak for today. 25/1

Etixx
(http://i.imgur.com/QjrBuzZ.jpg)

A saw a lovely quote about Etixx today - "lots of Chiefs and not enough Indians". Boonen, Terpstra, Trentin, Vandenbergh and Stybar. All possible winners of this race but surely they would need to be the designated leader. Etixx seem to adopt a wait and see attitude which is rarely successful. I quite like Terpstra's chances but how can you back someone who may end up as a domestique.
Prices range from 20/1(Terpstra) to 100/1(Trentin)

Other Contenders
A plethora of riders could step up if their leader isn't feeling great. Thomas, Rowe and Stannard for Sky, Roelandts for Lotto as well as other definite leaders like Kristoff(form?), Boassen Hagen(good enough) and Demare(ditto).

Prediction

Seems logical that Cancellara will attack up the final ascent of the Kwaremont, Sagan will follow along with anyone else capable. Before I saw the weather forecast I figured that Trek will make it hard enough that probably only Sagan would be able to follow Canc. Now the weather looks good I think a few other riders will make it. I see a group of maybe 6 together after the Paterburg then the fun and games will start.
Cancellara can't wait for a sprint and neither can people like Benoot, Vanmarcke and almost everyone from Etixx(Trentin excluded). Whereas Sagan, GVA and Kwiatkowski would probably fancy their chances.
So you need to figure out the decisive group and fathom out possible tactics once it's formed. Best of luck :)

I'm on Benoot ante post so I'm hoping he can make the decisive group and slip away whilst the quick men look at each other.
A huge combination of things can happen and as ridiculous as it sounds, it's probably a race to sit and enjoy. I'll be enjoying it with some Belgian beer as is the tradition.
Today is a day I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy watching cycling. Their lives are poorer for it.
Best of luck with all your bets and thank you for indulging me and reading this incredibly long and meandering post.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on April 03, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
Fantastic write up Tommy, I particularly liked this line:

"Today is a day I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy watching cycling. Their lives are poorer for it."


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 08:08:38 AM
Fantastic write up Tommy, I particularly liked this line:

"Today is a day I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy watching cycling. Their lives are poorer for it."


I'm glad you enjoyed it pal. Any fancies?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Steveswift on April 03, 2016, 08:47:38 AM
I agree  a great right up, busy with real life at the moment but will find some time to follow some of these events shortly.
Thinking of buying a road bike for the first time so suspect I will be getting my bike grove on generally.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on April 03, 2016, 09:12:50 AM
I think Spartacus is a fair favourite but Sky's team looks really strong so Kiat would be my next best. Might have a banzai on Keukeleire despite no real recent form. It's his home monument, he's leading OGE and we've seen them spring surprises before.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 09:17:37 AM
I think Spartacus is a fair favourite but Sky's team looks really strong so Kiat would be my next best. Might have a banzai on Keukeleire despite no real recent form. It's his home monument, he's leading OGE and we've seen them spring surprises before.

Keukeleire not a bad shout pal. He has form over the cobbles, finished 6 in Roubaix last year. Decent weather will suit him and he is from Bruges so he will be getting lots of home support.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
I agree  a great right up, busy with real life at the moment but will find some time to follow some of these events shortly.
Thinking of buying a road bike for the first time so suspect I will be getting my bike grove on generally.

Great fun and a massive pain in the arse buying your first road bike ha. I remember it well.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 03, 2016, 09:28:05 AM
GVA the bet for me today. Won't be able to watch the race live as I'm at work in a bookies and the punters may be a bit surprised if i have the tour of flanders on the screens and not super sunday football :D good luck with the bet and enjoy the race!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 09:50:41 AM
22/1 Terpstra just a little too big so have added him to my Benoot wager.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2016, 10:04:57 AM
Fantastic write up Tommy, I particularly liked this line:

"Today is a day I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy watching cycling. Their lives are poorer for it."


echo that, the most beautiful sport.

Would love to be in Belgium today, but up early & watching Sporza build up bringing back great memories of previous years.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfGj2SmWwAARz8B.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 12:21:43 PM
A rather uninspiring breakaway-
Lukas Postlberger (Bora-Argon 18), Imanol Erviti (Movistar), Gijs Van Hoecke (Topsport Vlaanderen Baloise), Hugo Houle (Ag2r-La Mondiale), Wesley Kreder (Roompot-Oranje Peloton) and Federico Zurlo (Lampre-Merida)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 12:59:39 PM
Eurosport went live and about 30 seconds later there was a crash. Demare down, scraped and miserable. Whatever small chance he had has gone surely, unless he finds a sticky car to hold on to(again).


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
Another crash and it seems Benoot has abandoned. Cruel luck for the young man and me.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 01:43:31 PM
Etixx absolutely smashing it on the front. Surely they have plans to finish this off. Brilliant racing so far. Canc and Sagan haven't been more than two bike lengths apart since the coverage started. Hoping some can surprise them as they don't have many teammates left.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2016, 01:44:13 PM
Tony Martin inflicting plenty of pain on the front. Another year or so experiencing the cobbles & he will be unstoppable.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 01:57:14 PM
Etixx stop riding and lots of domestiques get back in. Pretty crappy from Etixx again. Burning matches.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 02:00:31 PM
5 BMC riders down in a heap. Van Avermaet is involved and he is out. Wow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2016, 02:01:21 PM
5 BMC riders down in a heap. Van Avermaet is involved and he is out. Wow.

boo  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 02:02:55 PM
5 BMC riders down in a heap. Van Avermaet is involved and he is out. Wow.

boo  :(
Vanmarcke has had two mechanicals and lots of chasing back in as well.
Belgians not having much luck. Looks like it's left to Tornado Tom


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on April 03, 2016, 02:04:01 PM
5 BMC riders down in a heap. Van Avermaet is involved and he is out. Wow.

boo  :(

Belgians not having much luck. Looks like it's left to Tornado Tom

And Keuk!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 02:05:14 PM
5 BMC riders down in a heap. Van Avermaet is involved and he is out. Wow.

boo  :(

Belgians not having much luck. Looks like it's left to Tornado Tom

And Keuk!

Go Keuk!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2016, 03:23:20 PM
Sky have numbers & still incident free for them, Thomas looking comfortable.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 03, 2016, 04:14:10 PM
Bloody Hell Spartacus!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 03, 2016, 04:29:55 PM
Absolute class from Sagan. That pace up the Paterburg. Incredible.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 08, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
Sunday - Paris - Roubaix.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWIjW8jWlnE

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/paris-roubaix/winner

Difficult to see anyone other the Sagan & Cancellara, certainly both are a level or so above anyone else. But this is Roubaix, crashes & mechanicals often play a part in the outcome of the race.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 09, 2016, 04:16:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfmxgw2W4AA4Q90.jpg)

The last we'll see of these two legends of the classics together.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 09, 2016, 09:31:24 PM
My sweats for tomorrow, basically its all Ettix for me. A dreadful spring classics for the team can be rescued tomorrow. They should be the only team with 4 or 5 attacking options in the later stages of the race. So some value had on betty, with Stybar & Terpstra at 23.00 (trade back later if necessary), both go better on the french cobbles & have impressive records. Finally a romantic ew bet on Boonen at 25/1 (4 places), I'm hoping he's saved his best for Sunday.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqpBKaWzpbE

Start to finish TV from 9.15  :)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 09:38:48 AM
Good afternoon(morning) everyone(ton), apologies for a lack of a preview. A late night on the beer coupled with an agreement with my wife that I take the children swimming this morning in exchange for an afternoon of peace to watch the cycling has left me short on time.
I've also backed Terpstra as well as a rather large lumpy match bet single on Lars Boom to beat Kristoff. It was a pick em match and Kristoff sounds decidedly unconfident in the preview, he didn't pull up any trees last year even though he was dominating everything else and Boom was so strong in Flanders, had three mechanicals and still finished in a decent placing. As confident as possible with that one although any serious cycling fan knows it can all change in a heartbeat.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 10:01:09 AM
As for Boonen, I saw a programme with some highlights of past Roubaix's and I'd forgotten just how good he was. It's a shame he's had injuries and gone on too long and I've mentally diminished his quality. I'm glad that Canc is going out of the top of the sport if not quite the top of his abilities. No doubt in my mind these races are easier to win now as opposed to 10 years ago(everyone doped to the eyeballs most likely).
As for today I would love to see a renaissance from Tornado Tom but I don't see it happening. Legs are gone.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZwgpKsh.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
As for Boonen, I saw a programme with some highlights of past Roubaix's and I'd forgotten just how good he was. It's a shame he's had injuries and gone on too long and I've mentally diminished his quality. I'm glad that Canc is going out of the top of the sport if not quite the top of his abilities. No doubt in my mind these races are easier to win now as opposed to 10 years ago(everyone doped to the eyeballs most likely).
As for today I would love to see a renaissance from Tornado Tom but I don't see it happening. Legs are gone.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZwgpKsh.jpg)

Really hoping he can turn the clock back to 2012, that year he flew, never seen anyone so fast on them cobbles.

Enjoy the race Tommy, hoping for a classic battle of the big guns.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 10:33:46 AM
Would love to see Sagan v Spartacus battling it out today for the best viewing spectacle

Financially I'm on Vanmarcke ew @ 9/1 (4 places) so if those 2 cuts each others throats and sep sneaked in with the win I'd be fine with that too :-)

Is it going to rain today? that always adds a bit more to the race imo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 10:40:52 AM
Would love to see Sagan v Spartacus battling it out today for the best viewing spectacle

Financially I'm on Vanmarcke ew @ 9/1 (4 places) so if those 2 cuts each others throats and sep sneaked in with the win I'd be fine with that too :-)

Is it going to rain today? that always adds a bit more to the race imo

Slim chance of rain, reports some sections will still be slippery after rain yesterday.

Sep should certainly make the final selection, good luck Nell


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 10:48:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfq0b_tXIAQhJsS.jpg:large)

Rolling out, now for 6 hours of Hell!  ;D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 11:55:49 AM
Incredible start, 20+ break trying to survive, peloton splitting in crosswinds.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
Two mechanicals so far for Boom!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 02:14:51 PM
Etixx's tactics strange again


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 02:16:31 PM
approaching Arenburg

(http://cache.20minutes.fr/photos/2014/04/10/111e-edition-course-92a0-diaporama.jpg)

we'll see who comes out unscathed


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 02:19:56 PM
Etixx's tactics strange again

taken the opportunity to press on after the crash, could be too early...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 02:22:04 PM
Followed Boom's Twitter and official webpage for days before betting him in the match bet and then find out from Astana 30kms into the race that he is sick. So that bet is dead already.
Cracking racing so far with Etixx smashing it up front. Be amazing to see Sagan and Cancellara working together.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 02:22:14 PM
Boonen into 5.00 on exchange!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 02:23:50 PM
burning a lot of matches with 100K's to go


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 02:26:08 PM
burning a lot of matches with 100K's to go

that has been their failing this year


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 02:50:33 PM
Lotto NL Jumbo seem to have the most bodies left in the mix, a positive for Vanmarcke


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 02:51:59 PM
It this stage its difficult to see who has any advantage, Vanmarcke has teammates, Sky have numbers, Ettix are baffling & all over the shop. Sagan & Cancellara playing catchup...


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 02:55:23 PM
anyone seen Stybar?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:06:52 PM
Itchy fingers and I've reloaded.
Cancellara 6/1
Rowe 14/1
Terpstra 22/1 and 33/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:09:44 PM
Is Kristoff in the Canc/Sagan group? Heard he had a puncture


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 03:13:47 PM
Is Kristoff in the Canc/Sagan group? Heard he had a puncture

not heard him being mentioned


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
Crappy again from Etixx. Obviously Canc is going to go there and Terpstra nowhere near the front.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:29:23 PM
Is Kristoff in the Canc/Sagan group? Heard he had a puncture

not heard him being mentioned

Has Boom abandoned? Might get a refund if they both don't finish. Don't see why Kristoff would carry on if he did have a mechanical and has no teammates and no chance of getting back in.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
Crappy again from Etixx. Obviously Canc is going to go there and Terpstra nowhere near the front.

Terpstra got in, must have a chance if it comes back together. Must be fresh.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:34:17 PM
Huge crash for Sky. Moscon and Rowe down. Could be curtains for the lead group. Commentators literally saying 5 seconds before "Have Sky ever been in such a good position in a monument" lol


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Now Puccio crashes and nearly takes out Stannard and Boonen. Crazy 5 minutes. What a race.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 03:36:56 PM
Huge crash for Sky. Moscow and Rowe down. Could be curtains for the lead group. Commentators literally saying 5 seconds before "Have Sky ever been in such a good position in a monument" lol

down at the next corner and al, carnage. Looks set for Sagan/Cancellera/Vanmarcke shootout


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 03:37:58 PM
Crappy again from Etixx. Obviously Canc is going to go there and Terpstra nowhere near the front.

Terpstra got in, must have a chance if it comes back together. Must be fresh.

is Stybar there?

still 7.00 on exchange


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 03:39:07 PM
Crappy again from Etixx. Obviously Canc is going to go there and Terpstra nowhere near the front.

Terpstra got in, must have a chance if it comes back together. Must be fresh.

is Stybar there?

still 7.00 on exchange

I think I saw him


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
Crappy again from Etixx. Obviously Canc is going to go there and Terpstra nowhere near the front.

Terpstra got in, must have a chance if it comes back together. Must be fresh.

is Stybar there?

still 7.00 on exchange

He isn't the in front group


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:42:07 PM
Canc and Sagan don't have it today. Front group will fight this out


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:42:45 PM
Cancellara and Terpstra down. Lead group definitely has it now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 03:46:14 PM
Cancellara and Terpstra down. Lead group definitely has it now.

yep looks it now


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 03:47:51 PM
Rowe getting back, strong lad


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 03:48:37 PM
Cancellara and Terpstra down. Lead group definitely has it now.

yep looks it now

etiixx tactics are going to win it ... for Vanmarkce, Stannard or EBH  :D


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 03:58:14 PM
Awesome from Rowe


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:02:25 PM
Next crucial section, carrefour de l'arbre, Vanmarcke should test em there


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 04:03:47 PM
Sagan group slowly edging closer


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
Who is the fastest if it stays together. Sieberg can sprint, possible surprise winner?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:26:41 PM
Hats off to Rowe, totally burying himself for Stannard


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:32:14 PM
Brilliant stuff, eye balls out racing!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:38:40 PM
Go Boonen, but anyone but Boasson Hagen plz


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:51:32 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:54:21 PM
That really was one of the BEST races. LOVED IT


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 04:56:41 PM
exceptional race, had a bit of everything


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 10, 2016, 04:58:25 PM
exceptional race, had a bit of everything

& an 800/1 winner  :o


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 10, 2016, 05:00:46 PM
exceptional race, had a bit of everything

& an 800/1 winner  :o

didn't quite make my shortlist haha. Had a sweat with Vanmarcke, the extra e/w place was crucial in the end for a small win


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 10, 2016, 05:18:26 PM
exceptional race, had a bit of everything

& an 800/1 winner  :o

didn't quite make my shortlist haha. Had a sweat with Vanmarcke, the extra e/w place was crucial in the end for a small win

Yeah he just missed my shortlist as well lol.
Unlucky with Boonen pal. Everything fell right and he still didn't quite have the legs. Decent return E/W however.
De Brabantse Pijl on Wednesday and Amstel Gold next Sunday. I'll do a preview of both so see you then. Take it easy!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on April 10, 2016, 06:40:44 PM
Can't believe I missed it - Matty Hayman!! Bloody hell!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 12, 2016, 12:22:21 PM
I had an idle hour this morning to have an initial look at Amstel Gold Race.

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/one-day-classics/amstel-gold-race/winner

Primarily my interest is in Julian Alaphilippe (ekkk Etixx again), last years stellar performance in the Ardennes classics was amazing. AGR - 7th. Fleche - 2nd. L-B-L - 2nd. Etixx will be looking to him for similar this year, no pressure then on the young lad. Not watched him this year, but his early season doesn't show as much as last, plus he missed Paris-Nice. Didn't show much in Volta Ciclista a Catalunya. I know he is a big one for putting in long training rides, perhaps he & the team feel he needs less racing this year ahead of Ardennes to be fresher. I'm taking a chance his class will show on Sunday. Sky with the 4 places allowed me £1.00 @ 28/1, & promptly cut to 22/1. Cautious bookies! 33/1 (3 places) elsewhere.

Also had a dabble on the other young Etixx (ekkkk) rider, Petr Vakoc. I'd expect him to be 2nd in line or perhaps a co leading role for Amstel. Impressive set of results this year, particularly in the Drôme Classic, & a fine ride at Strade Bianche. The lad has a ton of power, & the parcour could suit if given the opportunity. £1.00 @ 50/1 again at Sky, & cut to 40/1. Elsewhere 66/1 available.

Both will be riding the traditional warm up race of De Brabantse Pijl tomorrow, prices will get cut if they put in a top performance.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 13, 2016, 10:16:04 AM
A quick warning about Alaphillippe, after his breakthrough in the Ardennes last year he was obviously noted by lots of cycling watchers as a man to follow but he form tailed off rapidly. He was diagnosed with some virus/illness which was sapping all his strength and not allowing his body to recover.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/alaphilippe-slowly-on-the-mend-from-mononucleosis/
This is an interview from January this year in which he says he would be taking two more months rest before starting his season preparation. I imagine he will still be a little behind everyone else.
He returned to racing for the three stage sprint race exotically named "Tour Cycliste International La Provence" where he was basically awful. He came in 7 minutes behind the sprint on stage one and quit the race after another poor show on stage 2.
This race was 6 weeks ago so obviously he should have improved and it's reflected in his price to a certain extent I just thought it was useful information for everyone to access.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2016, 10:23:20 AM
A quick warning about Alaphillippe, after his breakthrough in the Ardennes last year he was obviously noted by lots of cycling watchers as a man to follow but he form tailed off rapidly. He was diagnosed with some virus/illness which was sapping all his strength and not allowing his body to recover.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/alaphilippe-slowly-on-the-mend-from-mononucleosis/
This is an interview from January this year in which he says he would be taking two more months rest before starting his season preparation. I imagine he will still be a little behind everyone else.
He returned to racing for the three stage sprint race exotically named "Tour Cycliste International La Provence" where he was basically awful. He came in 7 minutes behind the sprint on stage one and quit the race after another poor show on stage 2.
This race was 6 weeks ago so obviously he should have improved and it's reflected in his price to a certain extent I just thought it was useful information for everyone to access.


thanks tommy, sky got £2.00 off me  :D

I'll be watching De Brabantse Pijl today, small interest in Dylan Tuens & Gianni Meersman.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2016, 12:50:07 PM
Can't believe I missed it - Matty Hayman!! Bloody hell!

Quite a story

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zxnA4asj44


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 13, 2016, 01:22:22 PM
I've backed Bryan Coquard 28/1 today and 66/1 for AGR on Sunday. Good weather and little winds means big groups coming to the last few kms in each race and Coquard is overpriced in those circumstances.
Nice little midweek treat this :-) just need a stream now.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on April 13, 2016, 01:40:49 PM
What's the parcours like for Amstel? I had it in my mind that it was pretty hilly, but then Bling is a short price favourite for it.

If there is enough climbs near the finish then other teams will be looking to distance him, could be plenty of value elsewhere in the market


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 13, 2016, 01:56:15 PM
258kms with 34! climbs. Sounds insane but only two climbs are over 3km in length and none in the last 100kms. Basically almost everyone will arrive at the Cauberg together. Then all hell will break loose. It's only 1500m at around 8% but the speed it's taken at is obscene. The difference between now and a few years ago is the race now has 1.8km of false flat after the crest of the climb before the finishing line. It used to end at the top of the climb. Bling is fav because of how easily it looked like he stayed with the fav Phil Gilbert as he blasted up the Cauberg last year...
However when he got over the top Gilbert refused to work with the sprinter and Bling was clearly deep in the red. They basically sat up, a few others joined them and Kwiatkowski won the bunch sprint.
Absolutely nobody with the uphill sprint of Gilbert here this year so bling should be in the lead group over the top having expended a lot less energy.
He is a worthy and solid favourite for me but I couldn't back him as his nickname is "bling" so he is obviously a bit of a prick.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2016, 02:00:55 PM
What's the parcours like for Amstel? I had it in my mind that it was pretty hilly, but then Bling is a short price favourite for it.

If there is enough climbs near the finish then other teams will be looking to distance him, could be plenty of value elsewhere in the market

Past years have seen a large group arrive on the final circuit to charge up the Cauberg, strong power climbers with a sprint generally win. Position & timing the key factor, so experience plays a role, as well as a strong team with numbers in the final. Only break to win in recent years was Kreuziger in 2013 with an attack in the last 20-30km


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2016, 02:13:49 PM
I've backed Bryan Coquard 28/1 today and 66/1 for AGR on Sunday. Good weather and little winds means big groups coming to the last few kms in each race and Coquard is overpriced in those circumstances.
Nice little midweek treat this :-) just need a stream now.

Todays race is on the Bike channel in the UK, around 2ish, should be here also http://www.cyclinghub.tv/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 13, 2016, 02:34:41 PM
I've backed Bryan Coquard 28/1 today and 66/1 for AGR on Sunday. Good weather and little winds means big groups coming to the last few kms in each race and Coquard is overpriced in those circumstances.
Nice little midweek treat this :-) just need a stream now.

Todays race is on the Bike channel in the UK, around 2ish, should be here also http://www.cyclinghub.tv/

Cracking mate, just what I needed


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 13, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Vakoc the real deal  ;applause; ;applause; Signs Alaphilippe could be a factor on Sunday, strong riding today working for Vakoc


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 14, 2016, 03:34:16 AM
Vakoc the real deal  ;applause; ;applause; Signs Alaphilippe could be a factor on Sunday, strong riding today working for Vakoc

I'm happy to stand corrected if Alaphillippe does the business on Sunday. Still not for me. A little gutted as I backed Coquard ew and he won the bunch sprint for 4th. Small crumbs in that I've backed him for Sunday at 66/1. Orica looked fairly weak as a team today, couldn't control the last 50kms even with help from other teams. The presence of Sky on Sunday working for reining champ Kwiatkowski should ensure its not a problem.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 14, 2016, 11:31:10 AM
Vakoc the real deal  ;applause; ;applause; Signs Alaphilippe could be a factor on Sunday, strong riding today working for Vakoc

I'm happy to stand corrected if Alaphillippe does the business on Sunday. Still not for me. A little gutted as I backed Coquard ew and he won the bunch sprint for 4th. Small crumbs in that I've backed him for Sunday at 66/1. Orica looked fairly weak as a team today, couldn't control the last 50kms even with help from other teams. The presence of Sky on Sunday working for reining champ Kwiatkowski should ensure its not a problem.

Quote
"I'd like to do Amstel, even if we have other guys who like that race. I am very confident about my condition. We'll see how the race unfolds and if we will ride for me or for others. We have many cards to play and we will certainly have many options. I hope to sprint in the same way I did today on the Cauberg, even after 250 kilometers. I worked a lot on my endurance. I did the Giro last year and I think it really helped me to gain strength. I love hard racing, even if 250 kilometers can be a bit long. I am convinced that with the condition that I have right now, I can make a similar effort on the Cauberg on Sunday.”
 
"I start at the Amstel Gold Race with ambition but the peloton will be qualitatively stronger. As for my condition, I have no reason to worry. But I also know that the Amstel Gold Race is difficult and, moreover, a few kilometers longer than the Brabantse Pijl. We have several cards that we can play: Bob Jungels, Julian Alaphilippe and myself.”

Quote from Vakoc.

My impression is Etixx will have Vakoc & Alaphillipe as co leaders on Sunday. Personally believe Alaphillipe's chances are better at Fleche & L-B-L, & probably needs Amstel in his legs to get his race sharpened. We'll see.

Brabantse Pijl is a notoriously difficult race for a team to control, you're right Amstel is a lot easier. Although Orica will still have trouble on Sunday, as the Sky team look to set up to send attackers out, with the likes of Kennaugh & Nordhaug. BMC will probably want to keep it tight with Gilbert if he is in shape.

Coquard can get a good result, he is certainly getting stronger over the longer distances. He'll need to find the right wheel to follow up the Cauberg, timing is everything. 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 14, 2016, 02:37:41 PM
I think the key for the Cauberg, especially for sprinters, is to go as hard as possible without hitting that infamous 'red zone' almost no time to recover and if you're in a small group nobody will work with you anyway. Best way to tackle it is go as hard as possible without destroying yourself and then see where you are and hope it comes back together on the downhill/flat. I'm happy with Coquard as my sprinter so will probably add a puncheur who is capable of blasting away and holding.
It's so hard for breaks to win this as the climbs are for the most part narrow and the big teams are always pushing it to keep their main man at the front for when the climbs begin.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 15, 2016, 09:43:44 AM
Seemed prudent to add Vakoc as my climber type bet at Hills' uber standout 30/1. Was restricted to £8.33 lol. Better than nothing.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 16, 2016, 03:00:26 PM
Added a couple of long shots.

Obv Sky will be working for Kwiat', but Ben Swift at 66/1 EW (best I can get, but 80/1 is there). Impressed with his climbing, always good over the longer distances, will need to be in a group that reforms after the Cauberg which can happen if the favourites mark each other, but a fast sprint from a small bunch.

Bit of a banzai, but Simon Geschke is confirmed as one of the protected riders for Giant. Parcour suits his style, strong on short climbs with a turn of speed from small groups. He raced well in 2014 here, winning the sprint for 6th in the second group. 150/1 EW.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 12:23:08 PM
Just got in after a late lazy lunch. Awful coverage after we were spoiled last week.
Felline abandons after breaking his nose in a crash in the neutralised zone.

(http://i.imgur.com/9TclJ0L.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 02:16:14 PM
Sky employing their usual 'burn all your doms with 100km to go' strategy that they have perfected in one day races since their inception.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 02:27:57 PM
Alex Vuillemoz from AG2R crashes out. He had an outside chance today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 02:54:55 PM
Joaquim Rodriguez also down and out. Hopefully not too bad as although he had an outside chance today he was/is a genuine contender for Flèche and Liege.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2016, 03:02:06 PM
Finally starting to get interesting. Hope the rain holds off.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
Rain! Not good for my picks I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2016, 03:32:30 PM
Rain! Not good for my picks I'm afraid.

Coquard? not heard him mentioned, should be good if he's hiding from the wind.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Rain! Not good for my picks I'm afraid.

Coquard? not heard him mentioned, should be good if he's hiding from the wind.

Yup of he wins then my mortgage will be significantly lower ha. Orica trying to get a man off the front. Learning lessons from Pijl in midweek.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 03:59:44 PM
Gilbert and EBH dropped now. Prospective pace up The Cauberg has just fallen ever so slightly.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2016, 04:00:38 PM
Rain! Not good for my picks I'm afraid.

Coquard? not heard him mentioned, should be good if he's hiding from the wind.

Yup of he wins then my mortgage will be significantly lower ha. Orica trying to get a man off the front. Learning lessons from Pijl in midweek.

Curious to see if Gerrans & Matthews will cooperate together, could be tears!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2016, 04:10:07 PM
Think I spotted Vakoc in the middle of the bunch. Hopefully saving energy & not struggling.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 04:10:43 PM
Kwiatkowski and Dumoulin both out of it. That's a shock.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 17, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
Coquard finishes 4th in both Pijl and AGR when I'm on first three. Sickening.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 17, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
Coquard finishes 4th in both Pijl and AGR when I'm on first three. Sickening.

ouch unlucky.

Vakoc appeared in the right spot on the Cauberg, but the extra kms today seemed to have taken there toll & trailed off. Oh well next year for him I think.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 20, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
(http://www.steephill.tv/2014/fleche-wallonne/photos/page-02/133312_PIC455214540.jpg)

La Flèche Wallonne today.

No bets for me, but hoping Dan Martin can finally get a win here. In fact anyone but Valverde.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 20, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
Hello pal. Interest bet on Jan Bakelants at 125/1 for me. Climbed well up the Cauberg on Sunday. Maybe looks can be deceiving but with Vuillemoz out, he will probably be the team leader. 125/1 surely too big for any world tour team leader.
Sergio Henao DNS after a dodgy look biological passport was discovered. Hmmm.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 20, 2016, 04:25:49 PM
bugger!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 24, 2016, 10:15:23 AM
(http://www.stickybottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Martin-Win-600x397.jpg)

Liege-Bastogne-Liege today. I've had a small bet on Bardet earlier in the week after an interview I read. But cold & wet conditions not ideal. Hoping Dan Martin gets the win, NOT Valverde please.

Two weeks until the Giro  ;yippee;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on April 24, 2016, 10:53:51 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgy1JMmW4AAYQs9.jpg)

Spring in Leige.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 24, 2016, 02:10:28 PM
Evening all. Brilliant weather. Backed some bad weather appreciaters.
Wellens
Costa
Gasparotto


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on April 29, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
Cyclist Simon Yates has not been provisionally suspended despite failing a drugs test.

 http://bbc.in/26zVpa8


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on April 29, 2016, 09:05:05 PM
Cyclist Simon Yates has not been provisionally suspended despite failing a drugs test.

 http://bbc.in/26zVpa8

Awful news. If you're guilty of taking drugs then you're guilty. Regardless of who's fault it was. Bans need to be served.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on May 05, 2016, 11:56:53 AM
If anyone has Sky then there is some value for the Giro D'Italia cycling stage 1 tomorrow.
It's a short prologue of 9.8kms and it looked a two horse race on paper between Fabian Cancellara and Tom Domoulin.
News has just broken that Cancellara is laid in bed with a fever. Awful preparation for this kind of test.
Dumoulin is 2/1 with Sky when he is more like an even money shot.

https://m.oddschecker.com/m/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-1/winner


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 07, 2016, 01:17:32 PM
If anyone has Sky then there is some value for the Giro D'Italia cycling stage 1 tomorrow.
It's a short prologue of 9.8kms and it looked a two horse race on paper between Fabian Cancellara and Tom Domoulin.
News has just broken that Cancellara is laid in bed with a fever. Awful preparation for this kind of test.
Dumoulin is 2/1 with Sky when he is more like an even money shot.

https://m.oddschecker.com/m/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-1/winner


Job done by Tom D, but where the F did Primož Roglič find a ride like that?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 07, 2016, 01:28:11 PM
The Cycling Podcast are doing a daily show during the Giro

http://thecyclingpodcast.com/

thoroughly recommended, particularly worthwhile for the appearance of the eccentric Ciro Scognamiglio

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Un0YBP4y1lA/hqdefault.jpg)

Pretty busy with work right now, bought an archive of Zeppelin (Graf not Led) photographs that need cataloging & selling.

Put your thoughts & tips up please, need winners  :)





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on May 08, 2016, 05:31:13 AM
If anyone has Sky then there is some value for the Giro D'Italia cycling stage 1 tomorrow.
It's a short prologue of 9.8kms and it looked a two horse race on paper between Fabian Cancellara and Tom Domoulin.
News has just broken that Cancellara is laid in bed with a fever. Awful preparation for this kind of test.
Dumoulin is 2/1 with Sky when he is more like an even money shot.

https://m.oddschecker.com/m/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-1/winner


Job done by Tom D, but where the F did Primož Roglič find a ride like that?

Asthma inhaler?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 09, 2016, 12:38:45 PM
(http://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/T04_PraiaAM_alt-3.jpg)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-4/winner

Interesting stage, bumpy, & in the final 10 km the route takes in the very steep Via del Fortino climb (with ramps up to 18%). Likely not to be a full peloton, can Kittel get over this in the front group?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on May 10, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
(http://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/T04_PraiaAM_alt-3.jpg)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-4/winner

Interesting stage, bumpy, & in the final 10 km the route takes in the very steep Via del Fortino climb (with ramps up to 18%). Likely not to be a full peloton, can Kittel get over this in the front group?

This is a brilliantly designed stage in that nobody and I mean nobody has any idea what will happen. No certainty from any press or fans. Superb.
I've done...
Nizzolo 18/1
Sbaragli 22/1
Coral 4 places.

Boylesports paying 5 places but horrific prices.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2016, 09:53:23 AM
(http://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/T06_Roccaraso_alt-PRE.jpg)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalia-stage-6/winner

A short stage, with the first mountain top finish, although not so difficult. Three pics for me, hoping the GC teams mark each other, allowing the second tier riders to go for the win.

Nico Roche 40/1 EW. Certainly in form, & has some previous form in these sort of GT mountain stages. Uncertain how Sky will play this one though, he may be asked to stick with Landa & not follow attacks.

Sergey Firsanov 40/1 EW. The wild card team RusVelo will be hoping for a stage win, this is the best opportunity. Impressive this season, particularly in Trentino.

Moreno Moser 100/1 EW. Need an inform Italian. He's been one of the few successful riders on Cannondale this year. He's certainly looking to make the right breaks.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 12, 2016, 10:37:28 AM
noticed on my twitter feed from the Giro, made me chuckle, only in Italy

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvk5GD5SqMk



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on May 13, 2016, 01:09:04 PM
An interesting first week of the Giro is about to come to a conclusion.

GC

(https://i.imgur.com/071o428.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xDbV78s.png)

Kittel has suddenly become an old fashioned sprinter again. Absolutely crushing these sprint/rouleur hybrids that have sprung up in recent years. As soon as the road heads upwards he is dropped like a particularly ugly one night stand's phone number the moment you leave her house.
Fantastic stuff.
Griepel won a non event uphill drag that nobody else seemed to care about.
Yesterday stage 6 was the first real test of the GC contenders and it ended like this...

(https://i.imgur.com/8H42C9G.jpg)

A scarcely believeable quintet of Fuglsang, Zakarin, Dumoulin, Pozzovivo  and Sioutsou finished clear of the 'main' contenders.

(https://i.imgur.com/PqJKNw8.png)

Ante post favs Nibali and Landa finished a few seconds further behind.
So does all this mean we have a changing of the guard and a new race on our hands? Probably, possibly, maybe and who knows.
Of the five that broke clear yesterday
Dumoulin - Apparently no altitude training this year
Zakarin - Untested over three weeks
Fuglsang - Working for Nibali
Sioutsou - Not good enough and allowed to go by the peloton yesterday
Pozzovivo - Perennial loser, weakened team.

In my opinion Nibali and Landa don't have it at the moment. Nobali's weird attack yesterday stunk of over confidence or desperation and judging how quickly he was brought back it seems like the latter.
Landa has looked awful, hanging on for dear life with barely a teammate around him.
Obviously both of these guys can and probably will grow into the race but their prices will almost certainly increase before they shrink.

(https://i.imgur.com/KaN7O9x.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aicQfao.png)

A flat stage today followed by a big ITT.

Any ideas on who wins the bloody thing?
I'm desperate to back Fuglsang. Looks amazingly strong but would take a lot for him to take over leadership.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on May 13, 2016, 01:24:46 PM
Haven't looked at the course but love Chaves. What a character. Possible reason punt if doesn't lose too much on the TT.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on May 13, 2016, 01:32:47 PM
Haven't looked at the course but love Chaves. What a character. Possible reason punt if doesn't lose too much on the TT.

He did reasonably well in the short ITT at the beginning. Interesting to see how it goes over much further.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TommyPlus on May 15, 2016, 08:15:05 AM
ITT arrives. Weather looks set to play a major role today in terms of who wins the stage. I always feel like I have a major edge on these then proceed to do my bollocks.
Any views?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 21, 2016, 11:54:12 AM
(http://www.brevet.cc/wp-content/uploads/Passo-Giau-Giro-Italia-Maratona-dles-Dolomites-960x542.jpg)

Lovely spot for a bike ride

(http://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/PW_T14_Corvara_alt-2.jpg)

Could be brutal if raced full gas.

Go Esteban Chaves, love to see the smiling Colombian do well today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 22, 2016, 11:04:48 AM
(http://www.steephill.tv/2016/giro-d-italia/photos/stage-14/131834_peri11.jpg)

One of the few stages I've managed to watch, & what a humdinger.

Really pleased to see the youngsters Kruijswijk & Chaves having a great race.

(http://www.steephill.tv/2016/giro-d-italia/photos/stage-14/160711_peri06.jpg)

(http://www.steephill.tv/2016/giro-d-italia/photos/stage-14/171606_591036179.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 28, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
What a Giro, yesterday was one incredible stage.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Py1Tr97x5o

Feel really sorry for Kruijswijk.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0VAexrGXZ4

Today, the final battle

(http://firstcycling.com/img/ritt_etapper/2016Giro20.jpg)

The Smiling Assassin v The Shark.

Forza Esteban.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on May 29, 2016, 10:45:03 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkQeSlx6Os8

Emotional finish to the Giro.

What a classy guy Esteban Chaves is.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on June 05, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
The Critérium du Dauphiné looks to be a cracker this year.

Rare to see an opening prologue with a profile like this

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/CDD/2016/0/PROFIL.jpg)

Forms a bit unclear, but I like Thiabaut Pinot for the overall. Today's prologue should be Contador v Froome, but a surprise could be on. Julian Alaphilippe has some great form from California, & rare to mention Dan Martin for a prologue, but the steep course should be to his liking.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 02, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
TdF discussion this year?

what type of course is it? favouring any particular type of rider or team?

who should win?

any bets i should be considering?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 02, 2016, 02:16:28 PM
TdF discussion this year?

what type of course is it? favouring any particular type of rider or team?

who should win?

any bets i should be considering?

Spare time is scarce this year to keep the thread properly updated.

First week could see bigger time gaps than usual between the GC guys, some shorter stages with attacking potential.

On the face of it, Froome v Quintana. Closely matched, small margins between  the two. May come down how each tactically use their teams. Expecting a final week of Quintana attacking, with Froome hanging on. But so many scenarios are possible.

No bet recs. Personally, I have Pinot from earlier in the year at 48/1. But I'm always rooting for a French winner of the Tour.

Hoping for an amazing race, whatever it always keeps me hooked.





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 02, 2016, 03:24:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXPKi2W8AAjSyx.jpg:large)

Not an ideal start for Contador.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2016, 10:26:08 AM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/06/D5A_2029.jpg)

(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/06/CORVOS_00026786-083.jpg)

(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/06/D5A_2187-3.jpg)

(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/06/20160702_%C2%A9BrakeThrough-Media_A22Y1148.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 03, 2016, 11:01:41 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/200/PROFILKMS.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-2/winner

A chance for a Frenchman to get the yellow jersey. Gallopin, Alaphilippe, & Coquard. All will be on Sagan's wheel. I've gone for Coquard EW 25/1.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: atdc21 on July 03, 2016, 11:45:46 AM
The commentator was so exuberant thought he was gonna explode....


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 03, 2016, 02:30:39 PM
contador having a 'mare again


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2016, 10:40:17 AM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/CORVOS_00026789-001.jpg)

(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/81B_1768.jpg)

(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/CORVOS_00026789-066.jpg)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2016, 11:00:55 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/300/PROFIL.png)

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/300/PROFILKMS.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-3/winner

Sprint stage. Wouldn't be surprised to see Sagan take this, especially if its a scrappy run in.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 04, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
(http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/07/WATSON_00004657-083.jpg)

Sam Bennett was involved in the nasty stage 1 high speed crash at the finish.

Quote
“ I could see the bone in my finger,” the Bora-Argon 18 rider said. “I had to go under to get it stitched up. I am just trying to keep my fingers dry today. They are all wrapped up. The pressure on them is a lot but they should be okay. Trying not to bend them to break the stitches is the hardest.”

Real gritty & tough ride to beat the time cut. Coming in last yesterday, over 15 mins down. True spirit of cycling  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2016, 11:07:38 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2016, 11:17:27 AM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-5/winner

First lumpy stage of interest. 50/50 a break could make it today imo. Teams will be looking to a strong pace to drop Sagan before the finish. AG2R may try something, Bardet is a local boy. Pretty sure Ettix will want to put Alaphillipe or Martin in yellow.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 06, 2016, 12:31:51 PM
He's not on the radar of the mainstream media, but Dan Mclay should get more of a mention. Three top ten finishes so far is no mean feat for the young Brit riding for the Pro Conti team, Fortuneo - Vital Concept. Earlier in the year he pulled off a remarkable sprint finish in the GP de Denain - Porte du Hainaut.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omZoVRQZVFg


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2016, 11:35:18 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2016, 11:44:04 AM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-6/winner

A sprint stage today. Outsider, Dylan Groenewegen, cant be sure how he feels after a mountain stage, but was impressed at his finishing speed the other day.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: MahoganyVic on July 07, 2016, 07:54:41 PM
Great updates as ever Tonji.    Struggled to have time to watch the last few grand tours but really getting in to this one. Cav looks like he's back to his best, so good to watch his hiding behind the other sprinters!

Your man Dan McLay in third today


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 07, 2016, 08:15:41 PM
Great updates as ever Tonji.    Struggled to have time to watch the last few grand tours but really getting in to this one. Cav looks like he's back to his best, so good to watch his hiding behind the other sprinters!

Your man Dan McLay in third today

Thanks Vic,

I was closely watching Groenewegen today, he got well positioned by his team, but was swamped in the last km & looked jaded.

I think Cav's wins this tour are not just pure speed but race craft. He just keeps getting the job done. Hope he can get that Gold in Rio he so desperately wants.

That was a mega result for Dan, a real boost to his belief he can mix it with the best.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2016, 10:57:28 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2016, 11:20:56 AM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-7/winner

60/40 a break can make it today imo. That's why Cummings is at a short 15/1. I'd be looking for 40/1 or better. I've gone Diego Rosa 100/1 EW. Form was good in the Dauphine. However, he may be called to work for Aru.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2016, 04:54:34 PM
Pinot really suffering, either sick or the heat has got to him.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 08, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
A stage full of entertainment  :)

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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 09, 2016, 12:16:10 AM
Great call on Cummings, even though he was priced low.

Thoughts on which of the GC contenders make a move over the next couple of days?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 11:10:16 AM
Great call on Cummings, even though he was priced low.

Thoughts on which of the GC contenders make a move over the next couple of days?

Tomorrow is likely the stage for the opening GC assault. I'd expect the full Sky mountain train on max.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 11:22:32 AM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 09, 2016, 11:45:43 AM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.

Throw a few names on tonji, I like a bet on stages but am clueless in the main. Youre updates and info are great, cheers for the effort.

Bardet a big player if its a GC race finishing with that descent?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 12:23:28 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.

Throw a few names on tonji, I like a bet on stages but am clueless in the main. Youre updates and info are great, cheers for the effort.

Bardet a big player if its a GC race finishing with that descent?

Really can't be much help John, had a brief look over coffee, & just blanked, nothing appealed. Probably fire up betty & in play later.

Yep Bardet looked for sometime yesterday, pretty sure he'll be active again today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Newportlad on July 09, 2016, 12:30:24 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.

Throw a few names on tonji, I like a bet on stages but am clueless in the main. Youre updates and info are great, cheers for the effort.

Bardet a big player if its a GC race finishing with that descent?

Really can't be much help John, had a brief look over coffee, & just blanked, nothing appealed. Probably fire up betty & in play later.

Yep Bardet looked for sometime yesterday, pretty sure he'll be active again today.

Any reason why Tony Martin cannot have a go today?  Is he stuck on domestique duties?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 12:37:39 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.

Throw a few names on tonji, I like a bet on stages but am clueless in the main. Youre updates and info are great, cheers for the effort.

Bardet a big player if its a GC race finishing with that descent?

Really can't be much help John, had a brief look over coffee, & just blanked, nothing appealed. Probably fire up betty & in play later.

Yep Bardet looked for sometime yesterday, pretty sure he'll be active again today.

Any reason why Tony Martin cannot have a go today?  Is he stuck on domestique duties?

Possible, his role recently has been to set a steady & solid pace on climbs. Only way I see him in a break is if it's 20+ riders.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 12:39:56 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nyDL4DNWg

Poor Adam Yates. He's ok though, just a bashed up chin.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 12:43:02 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnqLGBbxKH8

Delighted for Steve, one of the most respected riders in the peloton.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 12:58:31 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBW1yRulVpw

Here's the latest Orica backstage pass.

If you've watched these you may have noticed a lack of Michael Matthews. He is pretty much frozen out by the rest of the riders, seen as selfish & not a team player. He'll be off next season. Chris Juul-Jensen on the other hand is a great fit for the team.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 02:23:56 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.

Throw a few names on tonji, I like a bet on stages but am clueless in the main. Youre updates and info are great, cheers for the effort.

Bardet a big player if its a GC race finishing with that descent?

Really can't be much help John, had a brief look over coffee, & just blanked, nothing appealed. Probably fire up betty & in play later.

Yep Bardet looked for sometime yesterday, pretty sure he'll be active again today.

Any reason why Tony Martin cannot have a go today?  Is he stuck on domestique duties?

He made it good shout.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 02:32:01 PM
Huge respect for Pinot, suffered like a dog yesterday, but out in the break today.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Newportlad on July 09, 2016, 03:05:09 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.

Throw a few names on tonji, I like a bet on stages but am clueless in the main. Youre updates and info are great, cheers for the effort.

Bardet a big player if its a GC race finishing with that descent?

Really can't be much help John, had a brief look over coffee, & just blanked, nothing appealed. Probably fire up betty & in play later.

Yep Bardet looked for sometime yesterday, pretty sure he'll be active again today.

Any reason why Tony Martin cannot have a go today?  Is he stuck on domestique duties?

He made it good shout.



Had a small bet on him at 250/1.   At least i have a run for my money. 


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 03:15:34 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-8/winner

I can't decide if another break will win. Maybe, with so many KOM points on offer.

Throw a few names on tonji, I like a bet on stages but am clueless in the main. Youre updates and info are great, cheers for the effort.

Bardet a big player if its a GC race finishing with that descent?

Really can't be much help John, had a brief look over coffee, & just blanked, nothing appealed. Probably fire up betty & in play later.

Yep Bardet looked for sometime yesterday, pretty sure he'll be active again today.

Any reason why Tony Martin cannot have a go today?  Is he stuck on domestique duties?

He made it good shout.



Had a small bet on him at 250/1.   At least i have a run for my money. 

Sweet, gl


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 09, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
Froome v. keen on winning KOM by the looks of it.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 05:00:47 PM
ohhhh! a Froome attack on the descent, not expecting that.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Newportlad on July 09, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
That was an amazing attack by Frome.

Early days, but surely his to lose after that performance.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 05:49:04 PM
That was an amazing attack by Frome.

Early days, but surely his to lose after that performance.

Quintana will only get stronger & more dangerous as the race goes into the Alps. Froome taking as many seconds as possible while he can. Brewing up nicely.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 05:58:21 PM
Froome dishing out to some spectator

https://vine.co/v/5WJBraXhT6a

He's turning into a mean mofo


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: AndrewT on July 09, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
Froome dishing out to some spectator

https://vine.co/v/5WJBraXhT6a

He's turning into a mean mofo

Jimmy Savile deserved it though.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
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The Tour hits Andorra, billed as the Queen stage & expected to be another GC battle. We'll see, after today's surprise tactics, what does Sky have in mind. Another crushing stage win, or revert to controlling & squeezing the fight out of the peloton.

Think it's 50/50 for a break to succeed. So a small bet on Diego Rosa (again), he rolled in with the gruppetto, so is either saving himself for today, or F**ked. 100/1.

Been impressed with both Dan Martin & Purito. As good a start to a Tour as I remember. Both live in Andorra & know the route well. Either could nick the yellow jersey with a well timed attack & bonus seconds. Around 12/1 is not much to go on though.

Anyone got thoughts?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 09, 2016, 11:02:21 PM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 10, 2016, 01:23:35 PM
Is there any scenario where Henao can win today's stage? riding well, won't have to do much work during the day so Poels and Nieve can take it pretty deep. Could well attack late on and then if they all look at each other he could forge on whilst Movistar get organised. Longshot but 66/1 with beteveryday.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2016, 01:40:09 PM
Is there any scenario where Henao can win today's stage? riding well, won't have to do much work during the day so Poels and Nieve can take it pretty deep. Could well attack late on and then if they all look at each other he could forge on whilst Movistar get organised. Longshot but 66/1 with beteveryday.

Like it. Henao has looked really good on the climbs.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
Diego Rosa is in the first break, in with a chance if it sticks.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2016, 02:26:59 PM
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Contador abandons with a fever.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 10, 2016, 02:37:33 PM
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Contador abandons with a fever.



Strange he tried to get into the break, if he was suffering?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2016, 02:42:28 PM
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Contador abandons with a fever.



Strange he tried to get into the break, if he was suffering?

Probably no more than an early test of his legs to see how he really felt.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
Diego Rosa is in the first break, in with a chance if it sticks.

Still there, getting a good sweat!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 10, 2016, 04:27:54 PM
Diego Rosa is in the first break, in with a chance if it sticks.

Still there, getting a good sweat!

Looking strong. The break will make it also.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2016, 04:41:47 PM
Diego Rosa is in the first break, in with a chance if it sticks.

Still there, getting a good sweat!

Looking strong. The break will make it also.

Looking less so now  :(


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 10, 2016, 04:50:41 PM
Diego Rosa is in the first break, in with a chance if it sticks.

Still there, getting a good sweat!

Looking strong. The break will make it also.

Looking less so now  :(

Letting Dumoulin go was a criminal move for the entire group


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: rinswun on July 10, 2016, 05:28:07 PM
Chapeau Yatesy. What a ride.

I'd love to see Orica get the Yates twins and Chaves in the same TdF team. Could do some real damage. Such a talented trio.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 10, 2016, 06:39:41 PM
Keep getting huge prices peeps in breakaway but if it succeeds favourites seem to get there this year. Feels like last year there was alot more unkown quantities and bookie ricks. Loads of times last year they inplayed tez prices eg greipel would be 16/1 to win a stage where it was 50/50 the breakaway stayed out there, when hes evens if it came to a sprint (last tour). Pleased majka didnt win as I basically looked for peeps who did well or won mountain stages last tour, then refused at prices case he ended up helping elsewhere.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2016, 10:58:48 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 11, 2016, 11:25:10 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-10/winner

Difficult stage to call, so many scenarios. 60/40 a break makes it. Late solo or small group attack over the Côte de Saint-Ferréol.

Some names that could feature, other than Sagan.

Alexey Lutsenko, I think he has a stage win in him. Good year, with a win at Paris-Nice. 66/1.

Orica certainly have this stage marked down. Normally you'd think Matthews, but Daryl Impey is perhaps a better bet @ 125/1, he was strong in a break earlier in the race. Seems to have been backed into 80s already though.

Tony Gallopin, loves these sorta stages, & sure to be stage hunting. Second in the French nationals, fast in a reduced bunch & also can attack solo. 20/1 not much to go on though.

What's your thoughts guys?



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 12, 2016, 10:43:17 PM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-11/winner

Sprint stage tomorrow. Chance of echelons if the wind blows. Bookies can't separate Cav & Kittel. Tempted by Kristoff @ 18/1, normally stronger as the race progresses.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 13, 2016, 09:45:18 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 13, 2016, 09:54:29 AM
with Quintana likely to lose some ground in the ITT straight afterwards, is ventoux on thursday quintana's realistic last chance to get a lead and win the thing?

i believe quintana attacked hard on it last year and its the last nasty climb, top of climb finish in this tour and its meant to really suit him?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 13, 2016, 12:07:08 PM
with Quintana likely to lose some ground in the ITT straight afterwards, is ventoux on thursday quintana's realistic last chance to get a lead and win the thing?

i believe quintana attacked hard on it last year and its the last nasty climb, top of climb finish in this tour and its meant to really suit him?

Hi Tighty,

Ventoux could be wild this year, high winds forecast. Froome would expect have the beating of Quintana there, if you recall 2013, Froome sustained a higher cadence in final 2km to pull away. But don't write off the Colombian, he'll be close in the ITTs, the final week has four mountain stages, three of them summit finishes. Movistar are happy with the situation at the moment.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 13, 2016, 05:36:20 PM
Wow, what a race today. Love watching crosswinds for all the mayham


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 13, 2016, 11:12:26 PM
Wow, what a race today. Love watching crosswinds for all the mayham

More of the same tomorrow, Ventoux finish altered to below the summit at Chalet Reynard.

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No French wins yet, & Bastille Day tomorrow. Pinot, Voeckler, Vuillermoz, Alaphilippe, Bardet, or Barguil?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2016, 10:35:57 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
WTF Sylvain Chavanel & Bryan Coquard are the only frenchmen in the breakaway.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
gotta love the Tour, always drama!


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Doobs on July 14, 2016, 05:02:54 PM
gotta love the Tour, always drama!

The labour party could do a better job.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 14, 2016, 05:09:27 PM
What will they rule? Why don't they control the crowds?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Doobs on July 14, 2016, 06:13:11 PM
Froome and Porte given same time as Mollema.   Probably about fair.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2016, 10:14:13 PM
What will they rule? Why don't they control the crowds?

Ironically to protect rider safety the move of the finish lower down Ventoux created greater problems. There was probably nearly half a million spectators on the mountain, barriers are only in place for the last km.

Part of the problem I think is so many people can't watch anything without shoving a camera phone at it. All trying to record the action whilst missing it. Look at any event, sporting or otherwise, & the vast majority of the crowd are spending their time peering at & waving their fucking phones over their heads.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 14, 2016, 11:58:29 PM
What will they rule? Why don't they control the crowds?

Ironically to protect rider safety the move of the finish lower down Ventoux created greater problems. There was probably nearly half a million spectators on the mountain, barriers are only in place for the last km.

Part of the problem I think is so many people can't watch anything without shoving a camera phone at it. All trying to record the action whilst missing it. Look at any event, sporting or otherwise, & the vast majority of the crowd are spending their time peering at & waving their fucking phones over their heads.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnV2nN5UkAAwn7v.jpg)



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2016, 10:34:18 AM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/Kramon_TdF2016_st12_Ventoux_DSC1252-Version-2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 15, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
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Individual Time Trial. Not had time to look at this one.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2016, 10:15:01 AM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/81A_33881.jpg)

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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 16, 2016, 10:57:31 AM
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Forgot to add the Julian Alaphilippe crash, got away with it unscathed.

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1400/PROFIL.png)

Sprint stage, <20% chance a break wins. Head wind & straight forward finish should give the sprint teams a chance to fight for the stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2016, 10:11:07 AM
(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/81A_3492.jpg)

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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2016, 10:46:07 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1500/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-15/winner

A stage with plenty of potential for teams to try & ambush Sky & Froome. Equally Sky have by far the strongest team & may really put in more hurt on the other GC teams.

Pretty sure the winner will come from a break. Dimension Data are on a high, Steve Cummings & Serge Pauwels are both capable here. KOM points hunters will be out in the break, De Gent, Majka, Costa. Tom Dumoulin is in great shape a 3rd stage win is not out of the question. Gallopin has not looked great, but this stage really should suit him, if he's found form & confidence he'd be on my short list.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Newportlad on July 17, 2016, 11:19:29 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1500/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-15/winner

A stage with plenty of potential for teams to try & ambush Sky & Froome. Equally Sky have by far the strongest team & may really put in more hurt on the other GC teams.

Pretty sure the winner will come from a break. Dimension Data are on a high, Steve Cummings & Serge Pauwels are both capable here. KOM points hunters will be out in the break, De Gent, Majka, Costa. Tom Dumoulin is in great shape a 3rd stage win is not out of the question. Gallopin has not looked great, but this stage really should suit him, if he's found form & confidence he'd be on my short list.

Old Tommy Voeckler has been quiet so far in this tour. Has he got one last hurrah left in him?  Available at 150/1


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2016, 12:18:37 PM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1500/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-15/winner

A stage with plenty of potential for teams to try & ambush Sky & Froome. Equally Sky have by far the strongest team & may really put in more hurt on the other GC teams.

Pretty sure the winner will come from a break. Dimension Data are on a high, Steve Cummings & Serge Pauwels are both capable here. KOM points hunters will be out in the break, De Gent, Majka, Costa. Tom Dumoulin is in great shape a 3rd stage win is not out of the question. Gallopin has not looked great, but this stage really should suit him, if he's found form & confidence he'd be on my short list.

Old Tommy Voeckler has been quiet so far in this tour. Has he got one last hurrah left in him?  Available at 150/1

Personally think he's well past it, only brief camera time cameos these days.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ledders on July 17, 2016, 12:28:55 PM
Is Rolland far back enough at 15mins to be allowed to breakaway? He hasn't looked great but has an effort in him in my uninformed opinion


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2016, 12:32:33 PM
Is Rolland far back enough at 15mins to be allowed to breakaway? He hasn't looked great but has an effort in him in my uninformed opinion

If fully fit, I hear he may have a broken hand.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 17, 2016, 12:42:17 PM
Glorious weather today, the stage will look stunning.

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/78d71b9509722b505d0b9c0739913e99/tumblr_nwoosnQmAC1ropreyo1_1280.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 18, 2016, 10:07:24 AM
Alaphillipe on the descent yesterday

thought this was a great shot

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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2016, 10:27:07 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1600/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-16/winner

The race heads into Switzerland. The last non Alpine stage before Paris. Looks to favour a break, it will be up to the sprinter teams to control today.

Cancellara is a local, but has not been in top form. Sagan is the prime pick. I think we may see Degenkolb feature. Adam Hansen is due a breakaway, also Alaphilippe or Vakoc for Etixx, & Valgren for Tinkoff.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 18, 2016, 02:38:47 PM
lol Tony Martin says to Julian Alaphilippe, "c'mon yung'un lets solo 175 km, I need TT training ahead of Rio, you need to get tougher"


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 18, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
lol Tony Martin says to Julian Alaphilippe, "c'mon yung'un lets solo 175 km, I need TT training ahead of Rio, you need to get tougher"

Just finished now with the broom wagon haha.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 19, 2016, 10:29:56 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-17/winner





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 20, 2016, 10:55:07 AM
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http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-17/winner





Does the break make it? Having a few quid on Navarro, could be his turn to make one stick.

GC-wise, be interesting to see if Movistar and Astana "team up" to have a go at Sky. They can't do it alone. Hopefully we see aggressive racing, they barely attacked Froome on the last mountain stage


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 20, 2016, 12:11:52 PM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1700/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-17/winner





Does the break make it? Having a few quid on Navarro, could be his turn to make one stick.

GC-wise, be interesting to see if Movistar and Astana "team up" to have a go at Sky. They can't do it alone. Hopefully we see aggressive racing, they barely attacked Froome on the last mountain stage

Sorry nell, too busy today to have any informed opinion, only a glance at the stage. Good luck.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 20, 2016, 12:17:38 PM
in a historical context how strong are the sky team?

all bases always covered, 4-5 domestiques around him all day, a couple still with him on last climbs

think 2 years ago was the last time Froome was isolated on a stage?

the other teams just don't seem to have the depth to use any tactics to make Froome vulnerable.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 20, 2016, 01:10:32 PM
in a historical context how strong are the sky team?

all bases always covered, 4-5 domestiques around him all day, a couple still with him on last climbs

think 2 years ago was the last time Froome was isolated on a stage?

the other teams just don't seem to have the depth to use any tactics to make Froome vulnerable.

I would say strongest ever.

1 clear team leader, no super domestics looking to step up/move team.
Has 8 domestics all riding for him, not looking for sprint stages/breakaways
Froome looks super strong and certainly more imposing on others in the GC pack than he used to be.

I think other teams haven't been able to attack as sky keeping them close to the limit all the time.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 20, 2016, 01:17:48 PM
in a historical context how strong are the sky team?

all bases always covered, 4-5 domestiques around him all day, a couple still with him on last climbs

think 2 years ago was the last time Froome was isolated on a stage?

the other teams just don't seem to have the depth to use any tactics to make Froome vulnerable.

I would say strongest ever.

1 clear team leader, no super domestics looking to step up/move team.
Has 8 domestics all riding for him, not looking for sprint stages/breakaways
Froome looks super strong and certainly more imposing on others in the GC pack than he used to be.

I think other teams haven't been able to attack as sky keeping them close to the limit all the time.


Yeh, some factors working in their favour. No sprinter so no need to compromise climbing ability to form a sprint train is a big plus. The other thing is it isn't just any old domestique grafting for Froome, they are top quality in their own right. Froome was saying as much in the last mountain stage. Poels won LBL this year, Landa was a strong GC contender in last year's Giro, G shows up prominently in stage races these days. I think in the old days teams having the likes of Nibali and Valverde to attack and "soften up" the yellow jersey teams would have been a big factor, but Sky have been so strong their attacks have been futile.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 21, 2016, 09:53:06 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 21, 2016, 10:13:55 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1800/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-18/winner

Mountain ITT. Really should be a case of how much time Froome puts into everyone. Dumoulon had a relatively easy day yesterday, but you would expect the steep sections to blunt his power.

A bit of a flyer, but Jérome Coppel at 150/1 EW is value to get the 3rd spot. Could get better conditions with an earlier start time. He should be a top 5 rider, but being a local lad & riding for a new contract, the extra motivation could see a top result.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2016, 10:13:22 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 22, 2016, 10:50:09 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/1900/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-19/winner

Likely a win from the break. Really a nasty uphill start to the stage, plenty of teams will want multiple riders in the breakaway.

Really hoping Sky will give Poels some freedom today. He's been phenomenal. I've taken 150/1 win on betty.

Strongest breakaway riders this week have been Rafał Majka and Ilnur Zakarin, but are priced accordingly. Aru has looked to have found some form. Bardet also will be desperate for a win.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: JohnCharver on July 22, 2016, 05:20:47 PM
Great stage, so many heroes.

Excellent hints tonji, aru didnt deserve some of his teams efforts.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2016, 10:26:18 AM
Great stage, so many heroes.

Excellent hints tonji, aru didnt deserve some of his teams efforts.

Nasty stage that. Sad Adam Yates lost his podium spot. But pleased for Bardet, French pride partially restored.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2016, 10:33:28 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 23, 2016, 10:38:21 AM
Wolt Poels was brilliant yesterday i thought

magnificent to watch him carry Froome up that last climb

this is a great picture above

(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/CORVOS_00026854-074.jpg)


if he wasn't a super-domestique would he be a yellow jersey contender in his own right?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2016, 10:42:14 AM
(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2016/2000/PROFIL.png)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-20/winner

Last chance to shake up the standings. Last mountain is the Joux Plane, notoriously tough.

BMC, Astana & Movistar will want (or should) test Froome after his crash. Break will be the usual suspects. Winner will depend on how hard & early the GC teams push the pace.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2016, 10:45:41 AM
Wolt Poels was brilliant yesterday i thought

magnificent to watch him carry Froome up that last climb

this is a great picture above

(http://images.cyclingtips.com/content/uploads/2016/07/CORVOS_00026854-074.jpg)


if he wasn't a super-domestique would he be a yellow jersey contender in his own right?

beat you to it tighty  :)

I think he just doubled his value this Tour. He's won a Monument, & ridden 3 week race like the best in the world.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 23, 2016, 12:51:22 PM
Cold & wet, expecting more crashes. Hearing that the "whimsical flâneur" Warren Barguil is going for the stage.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 24, 2016, 09:06:26 AM
(http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/bestfit/images/master/1/2016/07/23/-1/86358/944/708/1469292481279.jpg)

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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 24, 2016, 09:48:12 AM
(http://cdn.coresites.factorymedia.com/rcuk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/sky.jpg)

http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-stage-21/winner

Looks about right. Kittel has a full sprint train & is the fastest. But the fat boys have been dragging their butts over mountains the past week just for today. How they feel (f###ed) is unclear.

If you fancy an outsider, Dylan Groenewegen tweeted last night that his legs felt good. He'll need to be delivered perfectly by his team but 25/1 is a touch of value.

The women will race La Course ahead of the men.

(http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TFF/2016/100/CARTE.jpg)

A chance to see the fantastic Marianne Vos.



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 25, 2016, 10:34:15 AM
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Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Tonji on July 25, 2016, 11:10:54 PM
After the Tour. The Belgian crits, beer & funny hats.

(http://www.ed.nl/polopoly_fs/1.6220193.1469478808!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_800_600/image-6220193.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on September 15, 2016, 12:27:33 PM
Wiggins and Froome medical records released by 'Russian hackers'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-37369705


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on September 16, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
Bradley Wiggins was given injections of powerful allergy medication before some of his most significant races

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsbNYb3WAAAsWki.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2016, 10:03:37 AM
Bradley Wiggins’ former doctor questions use of banned steroid

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/23/bradley-wiggins-former-doctor-questions-use-banned-steroid?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on September 25, 2016, 11:58:20 AM
on Marr this morning

Bradley Wiggins tells Andrew Marr ‘I did not seek an unfair advantage’

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/24/bradley-wiggins-andrew-marr-unfair-advantage?CMP=twt_gu


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on September 26, 2016, 11:07:22 AM
none of the cycling fans on here want to disucss this?

big story, no?

"It remains unclear, however, how many others at Team Sky had knowledge of Wiggins’s therapeutic use exemptions (TUEs), with the British team coming under increasing pressure to explain why and how Wiggins was prescribed the drug triamcinolone, particularly after Wiggins appeared to suggest on The Andrew Marr Show on Sunday that the team proactively encouraged him to take something prior to the 2012 Tour."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/09/25/sir-bradley-wiggins-tue-furore-team-sky-come-under-pressure-to-e/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Archer on September 26, 2016, 01:52:40 PM
Huge story IMO. It stinks. SKy very quiet as well.

Good podcast here:
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/159159/Sunday_Paper_Review_Kimmage__OToole_on_TUEs

Walsh articlle:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dark-clouds-over-sky-288z6zv7h





Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on September 27, 2016, 01:44:32 PM
froome statement, careful not to use the words bradley or wiggins but makes it clear enough what he means!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtWnUqeWcAALVQF.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on October 01, 2016, 11:48:49 AM
Wiggins and Sky operated in grey areas which blur moral credibility says this article

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/30/bradley-wiggins-team-sky-tues?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on October 01, 2016, 03:13:41 PM
private eye's take

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtoG4DSWcAEJ9lM.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on October 07, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
UK doping chiefs investigating Sir Bradley Wiggins AND Team Sky

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3825849/UK-Anti-Doping-investigate-Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-Team-Sky.html



Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Archer on October 08, 2016, 09:37:22 AM
Heating up now.

Drugs raid at Velodrome:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3827780/Drug-raid-Velodrome-Cycling-crisis-investigators-swoop-dream-factory.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/10/07/pressure-on-team-sky-and-british-cycling-as-doping-probe-widens/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on October 18, 2016, 12:42:58 PM
Tour de France 2017 route features early climbs to try and break Team Sky dominance

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/oct/18/tour-de-france-2017-route-early-climbs-team-sky?CMP=share_btn_tw

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvCzFOlWgAAaSDr.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 20, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
this is getting murkier and murkier for British Cycling

"Brailsford's bid to hide truth: After grilling by MPs, we reveal desperate attempt to kill story in secret meeting"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4049606/Sir-Dave-Brailsford-s-bid-hide-truth-grilling-MPs-reveal-desperate-attempt-kill-story-secret-meeting-Sportsmail.html


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Archer on December 22, 2016, 07:53:32 AM
this is getting murkier and murkier for British Cycling

"Brailsford's bid to hide truth: After grilling by MPs, we reveal desperate attempt to kill story in secret meeting"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4049606/Sir-Dave-Brailsford-s-bid-hide-truth-grilling-MPs-reveal-desperate-attempt-kill-story-secret-meeting-Sportsmail.html

Murkier indeed.

If you have been following this Tighty have a listen to this podcast interview with David Walsh. Walsh's work was brilliant in digging the dirt on Armstrong and has some hard-hitting things to say here about Wiggins and Brailsford. Having said that Walsh's reputation is somewhat tarnished in the cycling world for taking the Sky $$$ and he falls  under pressure himeslf during the interview.

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 03, 2017, 09:15:49 AM
Vortex suits explained: Team Sky’s latest rule-pushing marginal gain http://trib.al/OgsAsRz


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: The Camel on July 04, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
Any sign of CWS or Tonji?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: neeko on July 04, 2017, 06:33:27 PM
Sagan banned from the race for that but Vettel gets nothing for a far worse drive not an opponent (in F1)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 04, 2017, 06:35:26 PM
Sagan banned from the race for that but Vettel gets nothing for a far worse drive not an opponent (in F1)

I'm biased as I love Sagan, but I think it's harsh. The elbow coming out looks bad, but is it not for balance? Cav trying to thread the eye of a needle ... or am I blind?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 06, 2017, 09:15:47 AM
a very good read by a very good writer

Sir Dave Brailsford’s marginal gains are now applied to being bumptious -Marina Hyde

"Even by the standards of modern public life continuing to be Team Sky chief takes some front and there is something mesmeric about his total lack of regret"

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/05/dave-brailsford-team-sky-bumptious-cycling?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 06, 2017, 04:25:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DED81qdXYAMo_9t.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 19, 2017, 08:30:47 AM
what two and half weeks of the TDF does to your legs...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFEb5Q4XoAA1RSw.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: AndrewT on July 19, 2017, 09:19:46 AM
what two and half weeks of the TDF does to your legs...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFEb5Q4XoAA1RSw.jpg)

What on earth were you doing whilst watching it on the TV?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 22, 2017, 09:28:16 AM
watching this week one commentator described sky's Kwiatowski (he of the set the pace at the front, shut down any attacks,stop anyone going off etc) as the "ultimate vanity signing"

what does this mean? that they didn't need him the team was strong enough already etc?


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Ledders on July 22, 2017, 09:32:52 AM
I presume they mean that he is far far better than the job he is doing. And he is on (relative) megabucks to do it.

Don't think vanity signing is quite the way to describe it if I'm right but I guess that's the gist.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 22, 2017, 10:02:44 AM
Kwiatokowski is a past world champion, and has won monuments in the past, so to use him in that role is definitely a luxury.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 22, 2017, 10:05:10 AM
Unlucky on Aru, enjoyed sweating that one

lack of a team just cost him in this last week, couple of questionable tactical stages and just lacked the legs to do it day after day


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: nellberg on July 22, 2017, 10:48:52 AM
Unlucky on Aru, enjoyed sweating that one

lack of a team just cost him in this last week, couple of questionable tactical stages and just lacked the legs to do it day after day

Yeh, had zero support with Fuglsang and Cataldo injured (don't think he's well liked so the rest just kind of bombed him) and then just didn't have the legs


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: vegaslover on July 22, 2017, 08:32:56 PM
Unlucky on Aru, enjoyed sweating that one

lack of a team just cost him in this last week, couple of questionable tactical stages and just lacked the legs to do it day after day

Yeh, had zero support with Fuglsang and Cataldo injured (don't think he's well liked so the rest just kind of bombed him) and then just didn't have the legs

Another thing that separates Sky from the other GC teams is their teamwork. Obvious disharmony in the Sky ranks (in part due the strength of their squad) but they all give 100%


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2017, 09:52:44 AM
think this is an interesting opinion

Why I don’t think Chris Froome will win a fifth Tour de France title | William Fotheringham

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/24/why-chris-froome-will-not-win-five-tours-de-france?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 14, 2017, 08:57:53 AM
Chris Froome Q&A: what is salbutamol, how long could he be banned for and what happens next?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/13/chris-froome-cycling-how-long-could-he-be-banned-what-happens-next?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 14, 2017, 08:58:56 AM
After Froome’s failed drugs test is this the end for Team Sky? https://trib.al/w6F7C5R


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 14, 2017, 09:42:42 AM
Tony Martin

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ_1VHAW0AAw2Rf.jpg)


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 15, 2017, 09:47:30 AM
I am surprised there has been no reaction to this on here

If it's deliberate cheating, it's hapless and doomed.

If it's a mistake, it's a monumental one.

If it's bad luck, it's extraordinary and unprecedented misfortune

"BBC Sport - Chris Froome: Adverse finding a doomsday scenario for him and Team Sky"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42350159


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 15, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
Chris Froome can spare us the talk of untainted legacies – cycling has a grim history and one with which Team Sky have failed to make peace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/12/14/chris-froome-can-spare-us-talk-untainted-legacies-cycling/


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: Karabiner on December 15, 2017, 10:13:30 AM
I've been taking Salbutamol for years for my asthma and would hardly describe it as a "cheating" drug.


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on December 16, 2017, 09:40:20 AM
a brilliant read

The Froome affair proves it: Team Sky is champion of misunderstandings | Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/15/chris-froome-affair-team-sky-champion-misunderstandings?CMP=twt_gu


Title: Re: Cycling Betting & Discussion.
Post by: TightEnd on January 21, 2018, 09:25:31 AM
L'Equipe reporting that Chris Froome's defence exploring whether his kidneys could have "malfunctioned", storing up salbutamol only to release a large quantity for the anti-doping test. The UCI has got a renal specialist on its side too

https://t.co/iiLhyy2EV1