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ok boys, Not long now. Booked a place for the week, anyone welcome to crash on settee if you are struggling. these are my ante post bets so far, others obv better than some. Actually killed a horse called Alland Islands by betting it for a festival race and out of respect ive removed it from the list.

cheltenham festival

lord of the house, supreme novice hurdle £30 25/1
balder succes, £50 at 40/1 champion hurdle
£50 double simonsig 3/1, hurricane fly 5/1
£20 jezki 12/1 supreme novices, (lads)
£100e/w une artiste mares hurdle 16/1
£125 7/1 grandoeut
£100 taquin de seuil 8/1 albett
£50   " "  8/1 neptune
£55 SDC gold cup 6/1
£70 the new one 7/1 £14 7/1 lads
£130 double grandoeut 7/1 SDC 6/1
£80 treble 13/8 won, waites 3/1 won, SDC 6/1


nothing really interesting yet as my main bets will be betting w/o the fav in a lot of the races

Loving the early enthusiasm, can't wait, such a great week. This year it's gapped between my brothers wedding and his 30th bday either side of it so going to be pretty messy.

Best ever Cheltenham experience ?

either when Inglis Drever won the world hurdle was working in a factory at the time and had bundles on, and it turned over Barracuda at 11/2. Or me grabbing the mic 2 years ago and singing irish songs as the only non irish man in the whole pub, accompanied by 2 fiddlers and a guitarist.

Jealous... I've only gotten into racing over the last couple years, but absolutely love it now and Chelts is amazing to sweat even from home!

ROFL @ the pub incident, but you can't beat getting weighed in for a chunk... even moreso when you're grafting a 9-5 I imagine.

Best of luck and hope everyone gets the lot during the festival  (http://www.krackedkings.com/images/a115.gif)

BigAdz is a hero on the nags and this kind of stuff is his speciality, so he'll be loving this (No pressure m8 ;))

My wife is pregnant with our first child which I am obviously very excited about but a slight spanner in the works is that she is due roughly when the festival is.  Obviously I won't be going this year but is it wrong that I have on my mind that I hope the baby isn't born during festival week as future birthdays might clash with my annual trip and if the baby is born then when will it be appropriate to start the seeds of an idea that the best possible birthday treat for a 3/4/5yo would be a day at the festival seeing the horseys?

Yer can't wait. Some nice payouts if the doubles cop. Favourite comical/emotional moment watching Dessie win from inside wheelchair enclosure. Lad sat in wheelchair with a Tesco carrier bag over his pot. Dessie comes over last and he's out of the wheelchair bouncing up and down cheering him home, Dessie wins he turns round and shouts "Dessies cured me" Kin brilliant.

Gratz!

Haha snap we are due on 13th March and was thinking the same but also thinking if the baby could come a week earlier it will never clash and also will be on paternity leave for 2 weeks whilst the festival is on this year.

Cant wait!!
For both ofc

Did my brains last year! Die hurricane fly!!

While all the irish head over to cheltenham  im heading in the opposite direction will be spending the thursday and friday watching the races in a pub with a bookies next door in a nice litte village.

Roll on march.

I been contemplating taking my 3yo boy to Ascot this weekend, got to show him the ropes sometime, right? ;)

8 of us booked for day on the Thursday  .. Be punting from the comfort of the sofa for rest of the week!

Years past I was there for full week without fail, but not sure I could do it now, and I'm not even old :)

Only 1 antepost bet so far.. Champion Court in Ryan Air

I also think Rock on Ruby hasn't been given enough credit for last years win, definitely the one I'd want to be on at current prices in champion

Have just bet my tent or yours for the supreme £150 win at 10s this very much reminds me of the route darlan took last year and whose to say how much darlans fall in the betfair hurdle put him back in his supreme bid. Unlike a lot of the market leaders, My tent or Yours has good ground form in the book and he's still not settling in his races maybe the betfair hurdle and supreme will see him settle better with a strong pace. It arguably already has the best form in the book. Just cant have jezki at 2x shorter than MTOY. I had all ladbrokes would lay me (£20) on jezki at 12/1s so have that in as a saver. Bit of a flyer but the tirade of money for it on saturday and before the race for the betfair hurdle fill me full of confidence that Henderson really likes this one. A bit of a flyer but hey yo.

When MTOY beat Tarquin, it didn't look as impressive as I had hoped for but the form was soon franked, and I got stuck in having bits and bobs daily. When he got beat at Newbury in dreadful ground, I just piled in again. As I wrote on another thread JP doesn't worry about winning sequences if it helps achieve the main objective.
The run at Huntingdon reconfigure what we knew, the big worry for me was JP buying Jezki. However, to my mind he has the profile of a horse that has done all his best work in deep winter ground and come the festival, maybe a very false price. I have him covered but see this very much as MTOYs race, and feeling good with plenty of 20s on board

a little something ive just done, getting very giddy


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_yaD5AUPZY

Worst case of cheltenham fever I've seen for while lol

Hoping to get a last minute invite from a Builder friend of mine who does an annual trip

*everythingiscrossed*

Even happier with MTOY bet having just watched the Cheltenham 2012 rerun on 432.

Had forgotten Jezki was in the Bumper. Travelled well enough but on quicker ground couldnt keep pace with them and finished well beaten in the end.

More hope for those of us that need it!!

sigh will this be repeated mate?

The 2012 champion bumper is on youtube.

Got train tickets for Festival trials day next Saturday, not looking good.

Someone told me to get on Sanctuaire for the Champion Hurdle which I duely did at 9's then wept as it immediately drifted.  Good news is that it appears to be running, bad news is that better horses are in the race.

Was this from a friend or an enemy?

I would want at least 33s. :(

Champion Hurdle?

Champion Hurdle??!!!

Correction, I would want 500s!!

Ah sorry, Chase, the one where Sprinter Sacre is massive fave.   

More of an associate, friend of my Dads, lol will be ignoring from now on.

the only market ill be playing on this is the w/o the favourite market

anyone know the shortest price winner ever at the festival?

No idea, but Sir Ken won the Champion Hurdle  in the early fifties at 2/5. Pretty sure there'd be shorter priced Fessie winners though.

He won the race three times in succession, & before that, Hattons Grace also won it three times in a row.

Sir Ken was trained by Willie Stephenson, & Hattons Grace by Lord Vincent O'Brien.

Flyingbolt won the Champion Chase at 1/5.  No idea if there were any shorter

Arkle was 1/10 for the Gold Cup in 1966.

booked tickets today, def going tues/weds/thurs maybe gc day in corporate

add £50 reve de silvola for world hurdle at 8s.

If it wins the cleave tommorow it could start off 7/2 for the world hurdle. If its a slowly run tactical affair oscar whiskey might just get home but im convinced its not a 3m festival winner.

its more to have an interest in the race as its one of my fav races at the festival but will be a dull affair with no big bucks this year

any thoughts on yesterday? my thoughts are that the new one is still a good thing for the neptune and that the pace was suspect in the cleave and im still unsure about Oscar whiskey in the world hurdle.

Looked very much one of those days that when the ground drys out the form will be chucked all over the place.

The one horse that did impress was Fishers Cross. Has AB written all over him, the way he picked up in that ground up the hill was brilliant.

Not sure what they are playing at with Tidal Bay, if he is defo going hurdling should he not have been in the Cleeve? If he had won Argento, no way could he have gone hurdling without leaving themselves wide open for mass criticism.

maybe they knew he wouldnt run in either?

Tidal bay was described by his trainer slightly lame so thats why he did'nt run. Thought Imperial commanders run was great to say he'd been off the track for nearly 2 years on ground that does'nt favour him. Can't believe he's still 25's Biggest dissapointment was Gran Crus again. Agree about At Fishers cross.

At Fishers Cross was a classic McCoy ride. One of those situations where there's no one else you want on your horse for that finish.

Horrible if you happen to have bet the other horse (see "FML")

the new one just got outstayed in the conditions, in good ground the new one wins doing handstands.

Not arguing, that's why I said FC ran a great Albert Bartlett trial.

did you get a look at its action in the mud adz? think better ground be a help or hinderance?

Tbh I wouldn't be sure mate. He has made massive leaps in last few runs, and if they think he would improve on better ground then you would think they may fancy their chances in the more prestigious shorter race.

Based on last two runs I would go AB, but JP loves the big handicaps so wouldn't rule out Pertemps.

minefield!

amazing the difference in mccoy on ATC and the winner in the last yesterday to his "ride" on binocular

only the green and gold colours would treat a champion hurdle as a trial

maybe mccoy got confused and thought he was on one of jonjos at ludlow on a wet tuesday

Ha!

for me since mccoy has joined the green and gold colours i have lost a fair bit of respect for him

anyway that is off topic to cheltenham

I suspect that the retainerAP gets for JP, far outweighs 200 winners round ludlow, and the associated percentage he would get, so riding to some "strange" orders perhaps is understandable.

Doesnt excuse it tho from an integrity standpoint

of course it does he went for the ££ and i have no problem with that

i just dont like the fawning over mccoy when he reverts back to previous type when usually in the same week he has given at least one horse a at best "eductional" ride

In McCoy's defence, Binocular is a bit of a quirky so-and-so and does need a bit of kidding along at times especially in ground that would not have been suitable on all known form.

I didn't think it was as much of a non-trier as some critics did given it was first time out.

Point taken but I'm giving credit where I believe it's due.

I don't fawn over gooners

i must admit, the writing was on the wall pre race at 10s on the machine. He certainly was rding rather vigorously over the last couple tho for a non trier.

I can show you thousands worse.

Let us not forget the chequered history of Binocular and  The Chemist(we love that in our little posse, ty Tal) and the sinular aim of winning the title

i am not saying it was the worst not by a long chalk

just for a champion race i thought the ride was considerate until near the end

at no point did he attempt to win the race imo

whether he could have is neither here nor there though i suspect not

even the irish stewards looked into it which is a first

yes, I am starting to think Stewards rooms must have ATR on these days. Chapman or Boycie only has to suggest an enquiry these days and they are on it

topped up on Grandouet for the champion hurdle at 7s can't have any other winner on my mind

It might be heart ruling head, but I'm with you on this one.

Been to the festival for the last 6 years, Tue,wed, thur, really enjoyed it but gets a bit to much, thinking of Village, bookies next door this year.

R Curtis stating Fishers target is Alb Bart on Sporting Life Webby

6s at laddies temp you?

Did have my eye on Our Vinnie for AB, but blew out big time behind Pont Alex yesterday, over a trip possibly too short.

Happy to wait a while yet.

Been to the festival for the last 6 years, Tue,wed, thur, really enjoyed it but gets a bit to much, thinking of Village, bookies next door this year. Have to agree we went on Saturday in the Grandstand side, did my head in hustle and bustle everywhere. Last few years been in Best mate side, busy but not terrible. If you gave me free tickets for granstand during fesival week i'd turn them down.

Me too, the last time I went 4/5 years ago I ended up watching the last few races on telly in the bar and betting on the phone with a friend who was working a pitch in the Best Mate enclosure.

i discovered a nice bar near the guiness village with easy toilet access. I do like to get down on the grass for the races though. Some of my mates just prop up the bar in the centaur all day!

Booked tickets today.

Not really as excited as usual, but can't miss going.

Do you have a reserved seat in the member's enclosure Keith ?

I think that's the only way that I would go now.

My best mate is Roger Brookhouse's eldest son, so owners and trainers each day, but unless they got something special I just can't face another Gold Cup day

Whilst God Cup day is pretty unbearable, the 40hrs or so from noon Monday to bedtime on Tuesday are always my highlight of the year.

Oh, and in for all four days obv.

I'm in the members, but no seat.

If there's a race I really want to watch, I get into position 20+ minutes before the race.

Last year, didn't have a bet on the World Hurdle but worth the trip just to hear that roar when Big Bucks and Voler la Vedette came to the last together made hairs stand up on the back of my neck.

Best day ever.

Tuesday best day by far. Agreed. It's all fresh and everything to play for!

I'm off on a little 76 day jaunt as I need to get out of here for a while....I'm in the Gilli Isles during Cheltenham, however had just had the Super Trigg yankee in an effort to get my buy in to WSOP - APAC.

The New One
SDC
Grandouet
My Tent or Yours

Go, go, go......

when we meeting for a beer keith? wednesday again?

Seeing as that's the only day I'm going this year, it better be Wednesday!

ill go and wind tony the hat up some more

[ ] He'll like that.

Despie being on an idylic Island I am very jealous....I'll have to give you a score to get a riound Trigg as Keef and the 49ers are paying for my flights ;)

Good man yourself.

Are you just driving down for the day on the Wednesday Keith?

doubt that score will make it past the placepot stall tbh

Getting the train I think.

Direct service from Darlo to Cheltenham Spa.

come on ralph you are gagging to make a showing

You must have known that I've just been checking out the trains :)

1st round is on me

I should be able to gt you a cheap Club ticket if you are going Ralph

I feel convinced that Sizing Europe will go for The Ryanair 'Chase this year.

De Bromhead has said that he prefers it when SE doesn't have to force the pace these days as he usually has to over two miles and 2.5M+ looks like his best trip now.

Obviously yet to be confimed but I rate SE as a very big player in the Ryanair if he does run and have had a slightly speculative pony @ 17.5 which could look like decent value in a week or so's time.

looking for an even money match bet, the new one to beat pont alexandre up to £300

You can have £150 with me Trigg. I get Pont Alexandre > The New One, yes? Bet void if they don't pitch up in the same race at the festival.

Quote to confirm we're booked.

Cheers, Ed

This year will be the first in many years I havent had at least one day at the Festival.  All of this talk of plans is very depressing.......

booked

Go on then Trigg I will side with EdGas as he wears tweed so must know his onions  ;) and take the other £150

same rules as he stated

Top man. I'm there all week Trigg so give me a PM on here if you fancy catching up for a beer or indeed to watch the race together!!

ya there all week also.

booked, pair of jackals,

TBH I was sorely tempted too but already have enough with you in match-bets.

what are our match bets? i cant remember them

You have 5/4 Grandouet v Hurricane Fly, I have 5/4 Zarkandar v Grandouet.

Both are £125/£100.

The win market for The Supreme on BF has been suspended for two days now.

Anyone got a clue why?

Apparently JP is buying Puffin Billy/Melodic Rendezvous/Dodging Bullets/River Maigue and the 3 other horses in the race he doesnt already own!

im going to doncaster meeting on monday if i have to walk there! anyone with me?

No

phew! when i say you replied i was worried you said yes.

Interesting race on Monday if ROR, Darlan and Grandouet all run.

this is the time of year i have always missed out on backing winners because of my ante post positions. Mondays betting will prob be something like 7/4 darlan 7/2 grandouet 6/1 ROR not actually looked at the stength in depth of the race so those prices could be off. But since i have invested on grandouet for the CH i probably wont bet it on monday even though i think on good ground with a good pace grandouet is the better horse. im too scared of it running a stinker and doing both my bets in, if it wins it will shorten in the CH race and in my mind thats a mini victory anyhow. This month i will try to make every bet on its own merit.

Another incident of Jockey putting own interests ahead of owners.

Goulanes who won Grade 2 novice over 3 miles at first attempt over regulation fences, picking up well as stamina kicked in, looking like a good RSA prospect.

Tom Scu gets off and tells owner should only run in RSA if heavy, and go for 4miler.

with extra 2 furlongs and stiffer course at Chelts you would imagine having beaten a strong contender in Super Duty first time out, he would be all over the RSA.

Of course not, he has the fav in the race. Thankfully RB isnt one to be pushed about and will make his own mind up

The other point to take from this is that if it looks likely to be soft or worse Dynaste will run over shorter.

if i owned captain conan it would be running in the arkle

Agreed, didnt look comfortable today, and when tried over further over hurdles didnt perform as well.

Would rather get 2nd in the Arkle than nowhere in the Jewson!

Grandouet doesn't line up with Darlan an ROR at Donny tomorrow which is a shame.

On the plus side Countrywide Flame does so it should still make for an interesting race.

if it gets pulled again this year thats the end for me

added Module for the jewson £75 e/w at 20/1. On its run beating colour squadron i just thought this race was right up its street. Think its a great value bet, i cant see it running in the arkle but i can really see it improving with the step up at cheltenham.

I hope I'm wrong but that looked terrible for Darlan.

Oh no, I hope that fall wasn't as bas as it looked.

OMG RIP imo

devastating

confirmed fatal fall RIP

terrible news, what a dreadful shame.

grandouet e/w 6/1 with coral looks a huge price

Leopardstown's card this Saturday is an absolute belter full of festival clues.

Four grade ones including the Irish Hennessy.

http://t.co/DI7geW1F

That is a lovely photo, horsey.

So very sad.

(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o541/tikay2/Darlan_zpse036b5cb.jpg)

Heard about Darlan on the news this morning.

Didn't see the fall and really don't want to either. Terrible news and very sad.

RIP

moving on from yesterdays sadness. Had ew bets on Super duty for the RSA @ 25/1 and China rock e/w for the ryanair at 20/1

Super duty - Yes it could run in the jewson. I think this horse has the look of a very progressive horse and i think 3m and change on good ground will be best for it at the festival. It got pipped at wetherby by improving Goulanes but unlike the winner it has form on good ground, finishing 2nd, albeit 15l behind simonsig over hurdles at aintree in april. The fav Dynaste has looked ultra impressive but the stats are against him, last 13 winners of the feltham to contest this race have been beaten. Yes dynaste was rated much higher over hurdles and is rater a load higher over fences but dynaste has disappointed on ground described as good and this may be a leveller providing we get good spring ground and further imprivement.

China rock. This horse seems to have been around years and has run at the last 4 festivals. Last year it was simply outclassed/outstayed in the gold cup over 3m2. But since then it was not disgraced 24l 4th behind sizing europe over 2m (needs 2m5+) before beating follow the plan and quel esprit int he punchestown gold cup. Last race it ran 5th in that crazy lexus behind tidal bay, first lieutenant, flemenstar and sir des champs. The horse's festival form is good, it doesnt seem ground dependant and has run some real corkers in its time Hopefully none of the horses that beat it in the lexus appear in the Ryanair but there is a chance flemenstar will, which will be a kick in the balls. However the race could cut up and providing connections dont go for the gold cup route again, i can see this one going off at 7/1 ish on the day.

Mccoy special on 5 live now

Lovely ::)

Would love to see S Conti get beat miles in the Denman on sat, even if only to see if Ruby suddenly thinks Tidal Bay should run in the Gold Cup, after all?!

Sadly the oppo looks fairly moderate with only the bolster looking a danger...

think silvianaco has a great chance being a flat track lover, abs mouth watering cards at newbury and leopordstown on sat. Even a few nice races at wincanton

can't wait for saturday, fish and chips, and racing all day on the box, few cheeky tinnies. Doubt ill be having too much money in play. Watching brief in store!!

I am in bali...in case i didn't mention it. I have had this little bad boy for entertainment courtesy of the Pharoah.  This time next (just over a month) we'll be millionaires Rodney



Selections      Event      Event Date      Odds      E/W Terms      Result

1      My Tent Or Yours       William Hill Supreme Novices Hurdle
Win And Each Way      12/03/2013      10/1      3 Places
1/4 Odds      To Run
2      Grandouet       Stan James Champion Hurdle
Win And Each Way      12/03/2013      5/1      3 Places
1/4 Odds      To Run
3      The New One       Neptune Investment Management Novices Hurdle
Win And Each Way      13/03/2013      9/2      3 Places
1/4 Odds      To Run
4      Super Duty       RSA Chase
Win And Each Way      13/03/2013      25/1      3 Places
1/4 Odds      To Run
5      Module       Jewson Novices Chase
Win And Each Way      14/03/2013      16/1      3 Places
1/4 Odds      To Run
6      Ruacana       JCB Triumph Hurdle
Win And Each Way      15/03/2013      25/1      3 Places
1/4 Odds      To Run

Multiple Bets

Selections      Unit Stake   Stake      To Return   
   
Doubles EW   15      0.70      21.00             
Trebles EW      20      0.60      24.00             
4 Folds EW      15      0.20      6.00             
5 Folds EW      6      0.20      2.40             
6 Folds EW      1      0.50      1.00      
       
Total Stake  54.40   

only horse ive bet tommorow is captain sunshine in the 1.50 3m handicap. gl anyone punting

Pretty much a watching brief for me tomorrow except for a dabble @ 30/1 on Punjabi with the claimer up in the big handicap hurdle.

Gonna be a crucial day.

My tent
Blood cotil
Flemenstar/sir des champs
S Conti

And a few other, either heavily backed for chelts or likely to affect the market big time.

Bring on the pain!

Cracking day, i can feel a large bet treble coming on.

Am SDC-ing today v Flemenstar

whatever happens today cannot see flemenstar getting 3m2 at chelts

No. I don't think he'll make the distance today either

Having some armchair Newbury multiples today:

Fred the Shred, Shooters Wood, Cause of Causes and Pure Science for doubles and up, each way.

my armchair is e/w yankee

1.50 cpatain sunshine
2.15 bright new dawn
2.25 menorah
2.45 lyreen legend

great time for oddschecker to crash

On with my remaining bowl in 365. Wan time!

If Conti is better than Tidal Bay, Im a dutch man

Quite happy with my Supreme portfolio at this point: 8 ponies Jezki and 14 score MTOY.

Had a massive 2 quid on MTOY yest at 550s for CH, incase he was that impressive.

Options covered!

If he runs in. CH I will kill someone

More I look at it more I see MTOY going for the CH.

Just cant see JP wasting a bullet by running the two vs each other. Its almost like he knew how good MTOY was when he bought Jezki.

AP didn't seem to think there was even a remote chance of it going for the CH this year when interviewed on MTOY just after the race.

Unless I misheard, Nicky Henderson said exactly the same thing when he was interviewed too.

Adz on the windup obv.

2nd interview on RUK was a lot less clear.

McCoy was very, "i just ride the horses" "I leave to the owner and trainer to make the decisions"

Just cant see JP running 2-1 and 4-1 clear first two favs in same race, Just my opinion, and for a horse that was supposed to not act as well on soft that was F****** impressive.

When I saw the weights I couldnt believe MTOY was giving some of those horses weight, yet he destroyed them.

In situations like this, little experience, one horse springs to mind-Alderbrook

ffs just chucked a oner at 19.5 just to save my life, because if it wins the CH i will be 1st on the traintracks

Mate, I'm not JP. But if they were mine, I think I would tilt at a little windmill here.

Events earlier in the week show you don't know what is round the corner, and sometimes it best to strike while the iron is hot.

Especially if you own plenty of irons!

I remember Captain CeeBee and Binocular fighting out the finish of The Supreme a year or two back.

That was the year they bet 10/1 the field or something stupid though.

I must say I thought My Tent or Yours would be an Even money shot for the Supreme after the way it won today when the race wasn't run to suit.

I assume the only reason he's as big as 2's is the element of doubt whether he'll run.

He's achieved a hell of a lot more than Dunguib had.

And Dunguib started 4/5.

with a gun to my head id take MTOYT for the supreme over simonsig for the arkle

2/1 would not be the bet of the season, it would be the bet of any season.

He's a stone or more in front of what a supreme novice winner would expect to be.

But there's zero chance he's 2/1 if he lines up.

so the question is how do we price him for the champion hurdle,  i reckon 7/1 CH 1/7 supreme is fair enough,

(my price keeps on drifting) 

7/1 he runs in champion hurdle?

That's far too long.

3/1 would be my price.

Looks like I've done my china rock dough as mouse says he's on his way to get thrashed in the gold cup again. Marv

For all MTOYT backers hope for decent conditions, backed the thing at 8/13 earlier in year and came 2nd in a race I thought it could not lose!

Did not like conditions at all.

Probably only needs Ferguson to say Cotton Mill bang on target for CH to get JP to go for CH.

Can you imagine how you would feel if you thrashed a horse, giving it weight, then it went and won biggest hurdle race of the year?!

Untrained eyes, but conditions didn't look too great yesterday and he still hosed up.

ADZ if mtoy lined up tommorow in the CH would he be your most likely winner?

Afterall, lets remember zarkander won off 151 last year and didnt come close in the CH, albeit it scrambled home and wasnt as taking on the eye as MTOY was yesterday. Its very had to not let my pocket talk here, but i think i would still take the SN route. I just hope JP doesnt think its some kind of sick and twisted fate to lose his champion hurdle hopeful darlan in the same week as MTOY's rocks up and use sentiment to make his mind up. On the twist side adz, what if it flops in the CH and someone scrambles home in the supreme, thats gotta be just as sick

If i knew he was defo going for the CH, I would have triple max on him at the odds on offer. Maybe I am looking through RTS, but he beat a quality field on ground he was supposed to struggle on, easily. We have a long way to go before we see the bottom of MTOY. I think that run on the heavy was a red herring.
Fly was beaten FAS by Ruby last year.
I think both Ruby and Grandouet will reverse with Zarkander.
Grandouet is the key to me. He strikes me as a good yardstick and if the Chemist lets MTOY take his place, its because he feels MTOY can hold his own vs Grandouet, which to me means he can beat him with normal improvement.

Long winded Yes!

Defo hear you AM. But this is where the Jezki factor kicks in. Before yest, he was clear fav. So without MTOY would be back with a favs chance.

Would quite like Puffin Billy to win today in a way(if he does win) that Sherwood thinks Neptune is logical route, then it becomes even more straightforward

That was not the real Hurricane Fly last year as he just wasn't right.

He didn't even get a run until after Xmas and surely nobody in their right mind thinks that last year's CH placings represent HF's true form.

Beaten fair and square on the day yes but the horse was a shadow of itself.

i dont know if i subscribe to that ralph. Mullins been saying he wasnt right last year, but in the build up to he race everything was fine according to mullins.
Whats to say that he didnt run to form last year? i mean its only been beating rubbish this season thats he's beaten before.

Just cant have HF as a 6/4 shot(Lads!). Year older and as AM says beating the same old same old, who even themselves aren't showing old form.

Mullins says that he's back to his "very best" this year so we will see.

I reckon he wins on the bridle this March with Zarkandar 3L away in second. ;)

What price the forecast?

zarkander will get outpaced again and be 7th  grandouet/ROR r/fc for me at this stage

i keep thinking back to the stat about horses regaining the CH crown, and only comedy of errors managing it. I wonder how many have actually tried, has to be a decent number id imagine but ive never bothered to look

Looks about right, Mr T, but no idea how many have tried & failed.

Comedy of Errors, & Fred Rimell, what a memory, Fred was quite a character.

There is a list of all the CH winners at the foot of this page......


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champion_Hurdle

It does not answer your question, but it tugs the memory strings.

Didn't See You Then retain it?

Aaaaaaah, no looking at the link Tikay posted. some great memories there for. The 1988-1994 era when I first got into NH racing, always remember my Kribensis / Katabatic double in 1990 I think. First big Ante Post Coup, well only one I think, slippery slope since

Quite a few retained it but only COE regained it.

I see PN has confirmed Tidal Bay will go hurdle route.

Following Sir Des Champs beating Flemenstar almost to the pound, and Tidal Bay beat them both, and SDC is now 4s for the GC this really has to be a bizarre decision, prompted purely by Rubys desire to have decent rides in flagship events.

V poor

This is just your wallet talking, the likelihood they would do this was in the price from when Big Bucks got injured. You´ve been a little unlucky but that´s punting and the decision they´ve made isn´t by any stretch very poor.

can understand PN wanting ruby to be on it whichever race it runs in tbh. Without walsh on in the GC would be a huge negative imo

I stand to win just as much if he wins WH, as I thought they would stick to this theory.

Based on SDC being 2nd fav when he has form behind TB and Bobs beat him by three lengths in receipt of 6 pounds, and the fact he only beat Crack Away Jack by a couple over hurdles, pocket talking or not, its a ridic end result

Sigh. Ruby not on, doesn't worry me. His most impressive performance was when D Jacob won Whitbread on him.

i need a contingency plan for the ryanair. Anyone got strong opinions?

I love Sizing Europe and am on @ 17.5 on BF but he has no confirmed festival target yet.

Everything looks right to me though for the Ryanair, and De Bromhead said he is very unlikely to go for the GC and ideally wants further than two miles these days as he usually has to force the pace which he doesn't need to do over further.

think im gonna go with you ralph at 10s. If flemenstar goes for the 2miler this will force henry's hand, and i think it will go for the ryan air. I can't understand why mouse wants another pop at the GC with china rock tho, surely the ryanair is a better race for him.
anyway when my mate gets home he's popping me a ton on at 10s sizing

puffin billy looks neptune bound

NRFB if you can get on with VC.

yeah thanks ralph, im trying but my mate is messing about at work

Racing Post
Flemenstar to be tested after 'underperforming'

Owner Stephen Curran said of Saturday's Hennessy Gold Cup at Leopardstown: "He didn't carry Andrew Lynch through the race. He was dead and I am mystified as to why. He really underperformed and until we get him checked out tomorrow we will hold fire on deciding what he's going for at Cheltenham."

mans lost his mind. CLinging onto gold cup dream

Hearing some stuff on RUK about the likelihood of soft ground at the Festival.

Apparently the water table is unprecedentedly high (Fck knows what this means!) and any water that falls is taking much longer than usual to drain away.

That being taken into account, Melodic Rendevous must have a big chance if MTOY goes for the Champion.

Travels, jumps for fun and loves soft ground.

What's not to like?

If ever its going to happen its this year. Im ten miles away and it has pissed down last 24 hours non stop on already wet ground.

Melodic was impressive today. Puffin a bit of a let down, niggling a long way out(turns out lame), but Melodics star certainly in the ascendency.

same mould as un atout and jezki keef

Bigger price innit.

Wanna go to Wetherby next week?

Got a couple of free tickets

what day?

Tuesday

Treble copped silviconti, champagne fever and Boston Bob, what a finish. £640 back off £50 Cheltenham betting money sorted.

that boston bob isnt half a quirky sort

sigh can't make tuesday

I was going to catch up with that 5Live jump jockeys doc, but I've found a copy of The Untouchables to watch instead.


brilliant tweet yesterday after colour squadron and the "ride" mccoy did not give it

the green and gold army really are untouchable

Aye, the commentator suggested after the race that Colour Squadron should now be on a useful handicap mark for the Festival. Earlier run it's saddle slipped or something didn't it? Definitely one to watch out for.

went to exeter races yesterday, mccoy ride was so blatant its untrue .
funny thing is the stewards had tizzard in with the winner, no mention of having the 2nd in. they are indeed the untouchables.
Remember at newbury one day the stewards had jonjo in and apparently horse was 6/10ths lame lol

utterly laughable they had the winner in

had ran similar races to yesterday three times at track

won because tizzard was literally walking infront

Aye, the commentator suggested after the race that Colour Squadron should now be on a useful handicap mark for the Festival. Earlier run it's saddle slipped or something didn't it? Definitely one to watch out for.

The trouble with watching out for it is, it maybe next time, time after or a few times down the road, they have plenty of time.

id be very careful of colour squadron, usually travels suprememly well and finds zilch. Mccoy said after module beat it when CS saddle slipped that he didnt think he would have won regardless. I think this is testament to the horse not finding much when push comes to shove.

no argument with that at all the horse is quirky maybe even a complete dog

still does not excuse the ride which coupled with the big drift pre race was at the very least worthy of an enquiry and if it had not been the green and gold colours would probably have had one

My mate has several horses with Hobbs and half the stable has the cough at the mo.

Not sure what to make of it, cos McCoy hardly being clever, he strangled it for half the race then it seemed to fly last furlong or so, which is hardly shielding it from anyone

does anyone know when paul jones festival guide comes out?

scrap that just ordered, arriving 26th feb

"Our vet Paddy Kelly came to check him out today and everything else was perfect, his bloods and all but he has picked up a lung infection," Casey said.
"I knew something was up on Saturday. He wasn't striding out  the way he usually does down the back straight. That wasn't the real Flemenstar.

"He's 90 per cent certain to miss Cheltenham. To be honest I'd say it's practically 100 per cent as I can't imagine there would be enough time to have him ready. We will more than likely try to get him ready for the two-and-a-half miler at Aintree [Melling Chase] now. That looks the best option for him.

"It's obviously a blow but he's a young horse with plenty of years left in him. He'll come back from it. I've no doubt about that."



from the r post

i cant quite believe this a horse with a serious lung infection but still nearly won despite the jockey taking a pull and a change of tactics being used

must admit, as soon as i saw the owner wanted tests i thought it was sour grapes. seems i was wrong

Two and half mile at Aintree! Bit different to gold cup.

Agree with Horsey. When horses are ill, they dont get beat in Grade 1s by a length or two, and travel as well as he did. Ok I wasnt sat on the horse, but have seen it enough to know he was travelling rather nicely most of the way.

He didnt stay. End of. Move on, and find new mountains to conquer Mr Casey. Plenty out there almost as lucrative.

That Aintree race looks perfect, and also the day my week long Stag do rolls into town after 4 days of golf/casinos/gambling. Perfecto!

champion hurdle market suspended and grandouet removed from ladbrokes betting, does this make it more likely that MTOY goes for the champion hurdle

It certainly wouldnt harm his chances!

Nicky Henderson just reported on Grandouet receiving treatment and is doubtful for his kingwell hurdle outing but he should be ok for champion hurdle

Ah. the Chemist at his best!

Life tilt

Well, my long term dislike of Paul Nichols has been cemented for eternity as he has pulled Tidal Bay out of the Gold Cup, and looks like sidestepping the WH as well in his efforts to win the National.

Not a chance, he just doesn't lift his hind legs enough every time.

Sigh

What you mean Adz, chemist at his best?

No tidal bay in GC, is that a +ve for Silvi ? He just did enough Saturday, nothing impressive but jumped well enough.

it would be a positive for conti if the GC was run at Ascot. Can;t have him at cheltenham, and i don't think his form is up to much tbh, albeit he's done what has been asked of him since the charlie hall

Not again Grandouet you *****, not again.

This is your year!

Hendo playing silly buggers like he did the year Binocular won.

Makes out the horse is half dead, and will probably come out and dot up!

Oh don't remind me, year before started off 2/1 Fav but why chemist? They did a similiar thing with Kicking King when it won Gold Cup.

I think it was Tal first called him that(what does the chemist give you?!)

Thoughts Peddlers Cross looked a lot more comfortable going a stride slower over the longer trip.

As a Neptune winner, he looks likely to appreciate the WH to these eyes.

gonna watch the musselburgh card later.

Can barely sleep worrying about MTOY running in the CH and not winning and them pulling Grandouet, would be a complete disaster
for my ante post portfolio. Tbh if it is a soft ground festival grandouet is the only horse i have i would be confident would not win the race on soft or worse. The rest seem pretty flexible and handle cut well

Aggro most of the time, they always mess up my prescriptions!

http://dgkelly84.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/clinical-record-entry-pre-race-check/

It's only "bute" which is allowed in the US and in a fair few "beef"burgers to boot.

There used to be loads of EPO type rumours about Martin Pipe back in the day too.

there are plenty who use it at times kara of that i have little doubt

there was a gamble today on the all weather with a fully exposed horse who has ran the same slow one paced race its last 8 starts but today after being smashed in the betting made all and found a second run

most low grader horses are bleeders or cant breathe properly or bits of both

Arrgh apologies for been thick Adz, i was'nt after a libel case. Would all weather testing be different to National hunt or flat? Or is it all under same blanket?

i think there is a bet we should all be on. Une artiste is 4/1 w/o quevaga with paddy power e/w first 3 1/5 the odds.

this improving 5 year old is 2/2 around cheltenham and is a very gutsy, battle hardened type. There are a lot of horses that have little chance that will line up in the race, betfair go quevaga 8/13
unacompanied 7s une artiste 8s , kentford grey, 12s and its 20s bar which is swing bowler which isnt a cert to run in the race. Une artiste gave kentford 8lbs and a solid beating last time, and unacompanied hasnt run the distance before.
I cant have une artiste out of the first 3, let alone 4 that we will get close to 85% of the time. Im on e/w at 16s and still think it will be the stiffest test quevega has had to face in this race.
i see this as very much a bet to nothing as the race looks to cut up quite a lot and the improving henderson horse looks a steal 4/1 w/o quevega for me.

Looks a good horse, 7/1 with bet 365 1/4 first 3. Tempted

Much prefer the 4/1 w/o at paddys

Have to agree with Action. A 4-1 winner looks better than a 7-1 place.

I fancied her as the viable alternative to Quevega all year and seemed to have missed the price by dithering, and this may well be the escape route.

Tidal Bay out of World Hurdle & National due to injury

Looks like sizing Europe will go for the QM  with everything else pulling out

Why what's pulled out?

Well, cue card going to Ryanair now

Finians might not run at the festival judged on last 2 runs. Place money looks too good to resist for SE

A win in the Ryanair >>>>>>>>>place money in the CC

SE only goes for the CC if Sprinter Sacre is a NR imo.

cant believe some firms have clipped zarkander after today. Very pedestrian performance in my eyes with kyber kim been off ages and balder sucess way too close up for my liking. Can't have the animal. Gonna take it on bigtime in match bets with ROR or grandoeut. Even without a prep run id still rather be with grandouet.

Not sure Zarkander is ever a horse to look overly impressive, but did it well enough.

However, MTOY destroyed a field at least as good as that on the bit last week.

Cant believe they are even dithering about that decision.

over 20s on the machine

Tent to pitch up in Supreme
Nicky Henderson confirms that My Tent Or Yours will head for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle at Cheltenham Festival and not the Champion Hurdle. Follow the latest news from Henderson's open day on Twitter @racingpost (26 mins ago)

Suddenly there's bundles waiting to get matched @ 7 for SE in the Ryanair :)

Hopefully someone knows something..

boom lets gogogogo

just had a pony trixie to win £38k im getting very giddy ill be honest

:D

I'm only doing bowl antepost bets in comparison, but I'm wishing away the next fortnight!

https://soundcloud.com/emmet-kennedy

the final furlong podcasts well worth a listen

some very very good irish judges on there

Got to love this mans infectious enthusiasm!

just looking through my antepost bets now ive not bet a single one of nicholls. Has anyone bet any of his stable?

Got some tens on Chapoturgeon in Foxhunters, but that will be only one of his I do, unless that bloody ranjaan turns up in County. Will have to have some bail out bonds on him.

This could be good news:

www.irishracing.com/news?prid=66831&headline=Mouse-leaning-towards-Gold-with-Lieutenant&festival=Cheltenham-2013

for those who can bet365 will be nrnb all cheltenham races from 11pm tonight

Ballynagour looks like  Pipe special for Cheltenham.

I could have won him today.

Handicapper can put him a up a stone and he'll still have a couple more in hand.

yes was funny to watch

considering it missed at least 3 fences it was impressive to say the least

only downside for me is he will not be a price of any kind in anything he turns up in at cheltenham

Guess they needed to win in order to make they got in at Cheltenham?

i would imagine so

according to a friend through another horse that has recently been running of around 140 over here this horse should have been near 145

of course he did not tell me until afterwards ! :)

I would imagine it will go for the race Salut Flo won? Same colours?

Some decent novices out today, but all I came away with was how My Tent or Yours is gonna tank round in the Supreme, and surely only trouble in a big field can stop him....

at what price do you think its a lay?

Surely it comes down to wether you think it will get beat.

I have laid £220 back at 2.6. Most is on at 20s. This gets original stake back, but I feel dirty for doing it.

I can only see a FML situation from preventing payout

Me and the team are going this year, cant fkn waiiiiit wiiii

gg monies.

which team? when? staying overnight?

I am there all week Dave so come say hi!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-HPzatPUY&feature=youtu.be&a

these are all worth a watch

Who are they, horsey?

Watched a bird jabber on for first min and a half, just to say no.

Best save it for work, and not my time! ;)

not sure who bird is, second left is dan kelly who despite looking about 10 is a very good judge and writer and full time punter rory delargy is also there (Second right) who works for timeform and appears to be a good judge

Must admit, love the preview time of year.

Hours of listening to the same rubbish, but one little snippet can make the week

Sooooooooooo looking forward to this now, definitely top 3 sporting events of the year for me.

number 1 for me and its not close

Unaccompanied out of Mares Hurdle. Tremendous news for ActionMan and other backers of Une Artiste w/o fav.

the artist gonna beat quevega anyways, straight up

will be back next year and mullins will be saying it wasnt right last year

Paddy power offer. Money back up to a oner nrnb if the fly wins the champion hurdle

a good blog  about the above horse and others from dan kelly

http://www.geegeez.co.uk/racing-debrief-cheltenham-contenders-handicaps-part-1/

Off down hills for operation Lionel

Ew trixie.

Still think there's some juice left in module at 10s and Bordoni at 14s
Adding the new one in as a place banker at 4s

wow no need down the shop, hills laxxed on their bets festival week it seems

ive gone in for china rock again for the ryanair

 Morris is leaning towards the Ryanair for the Michael O’Flynn-owned China Rock, who found the Gold Cup distance too far last March when eighth to Synchronised before going on to win the Punchestown Gold Cup. The trainer said: “He ran a good race in the Gold Cup last year but just didn’t get home. He had a wind problem which a tongue strap appears to have fixed. He hacked up in the Punchestown Gold Cup and he ran a good race up to the last in the Lexus (fifth). He has enough toe for the Ryanair.”

think it has a nice profile as a ryanair winner. 25/1 e/w for me looks pretty juicy, happy to have sizing europe and china rock running for me. Hopefully they both show up

also looked through pipes minefield of entries for the martin pipe and come away with a little bit at 25/1 about the tracey shuffle NRNB

I think there is a Cheltenham preview on 5live at 21.00

Thanks, yeah there is

21:00 – 22:30
5 live Sport 5 live Racing, 28/02/2013

A Cheltenham preview focusing on the talking points ahead of the National Hunt festival.

cheers mate

ah so Paul Nicholls thinks that the Gold Cup could be between Bobs Worth and Silviniaco Conti but Sir Des Champs has a chance aswell. Cheers Paul!

when some trainers and jockeys speak you may aswell turn countdown on. Nicholls and mick fitz are two that spring to mine, david pipe another, dont give anything away
and mick fitz is just an awful judge

HOW TILTING IS THIS preview  i dont wanna hear about dressage or frankel. I think we could get 4 or 5 of us and do a better preview over skype

also can someone find me someone who, this year is saying the fly wasnt right last year, that actually said it last year?

LOL, David Pipe doesnt even give anything away about owners own horses!!!

LOL. Hobbs no better.

Just had a runner in 2.20 first time up for Tom G. Hobbs told Roger he got 3 runners today, he runner in the first had absolutely no chance, and his two favs should win.

His no chance just won at 40-1, lets see what happens to the other two.

I heard Paddy Power is offering money back (≤ £100) if Hurricane Fly wins.

Be quite a bet if true. I fancy Grandouet anyway...

Why not just go and have a look on their website, its plastered all over it

Not sure why owners pay so much money to these people if they cant either

a, know how their horses will do a bit more accurately
b, tell bloody great porkies to the bill payers

and thus it will ever be I expect

Er...because I'm on here 24/7..?

Fair point, nevertheless.

Did my old office tipping comp dinner,last night. All bets are treated as 'free' and settled at BSP. 6 of us playing so it's death or glory in terms of picking out things at a price. Double points for NAP, 1.5x for NB:

Bordoni (nap)
Rolling Star (nb)
Gevrey Chambertin
Pendra
Mail de Bievre
Court Minstrel
Tartak
Chatterbox

(reserves in case of non runners are ulck du lin and rock on ruby)

What do people reckon?

3 or 4 I wouldnt be sure of their targets but not sure if that matters in ur comp.

Tartak runs at Newbs tomo fwiw

Yeh it's by horse rather than race so obv frees you up to play handicap fancies. Be interested to see Tartak does indeed run tomorrow and if so how he goes.

haha

Kid Cassidy for the Grand Annual @ 14s (Hills only)

Disappointing in the race last year when sent off a well backed 4/1 fav off a mark of 145. He has had a different preparation this year with 3 prep runs and races off 143 now for the day that matters. They won it with a similar type in Bellvano last year and have sacrificed his season to have a go here. Alderwood is the current fav but will get no favours with his mark and has other engagements and stays further and I will be surprised if Mccoy doesn’t stick with Kid Cassidy as is a bit keen and needs a bit of knowing. Wouldn’t be the end of the world if Geraghty or Carberry rode instead though. Henderson loves to win this race too for obvious reasons.

Hope you're wrong!(sorry). Am on Alderwood big time. Thought he had been given a reasonable mark, based on his blatant non efforts this year.

Also, pretty sure AP rode Alderwood to victory in County last year, and was on Kid Cassidy who hit everything, so probably a straightforward choice, unless KC is the plot!

up to £300 e/w on bordoni, maxed out at 20s with betfred and 16s with coral last week, hope it wins still getting on at 14s

dont like chatterbox ed unless they run the race in quicksand

marvellous, think kim bailey has lost his mind sending harry topper to kelso and missing the 4m race but w/e £100 at 14s down the swanny hey ho

was looking through last years festival bets and I bet going wrong pretty big in the putney which hunt ball won. It would have a chance today if it stopped clattering fences

Backing Topper was always a gamble, as Bailey said plenty of times, he didnt think Topper was old/experienced enough for festival.

I backed Going Wrong last year too. Sadly I think he maybe one of those Ferdy horses that spends so many races being yanked backed, to get well handicapped, that they forget how to win races, or even pass horses!!

I fancied BSB for Gold Cup, so really think he should dot up today, if my original thoughts on his talent were right.

yeh tbh bailey was always straight up and said he was 50/50 for the festival.

Hearing some bad vibes for Reve De Sivola in the World Hurdle too Trigg, nothing certain but "continuous training problems"

Oh dear Kim

Oh dear Lucinda.......doing their best to fook up a decent horse

where are you hearing this?

I really like it's chances (obv).


Yeh it's obviously a massively leftfield selection. Logic is that it's actually very unlikely to run, curious as that sounds. Fancy it only turns up if we somehow get monsoon season, and then I would think he has a squeak at what could be a price. If/when he's a non-runner one of my reserves is sub'd in.

8 days away now.

We are getting the train down monday arriving 8pm ish, stock the house with bacon, beer, and bog roll, out for a few and a curry monday, then head for an hour in the best place to hear whispers. The strip club.
tuesday up at 10, bit of music bacon sarnie, tinny. head to a real ale boozer ive found near yates's then head to track 12.30ish, placepot beer, lets gogogo, 5.30pm an hour drinking with entertainment in the centaur, 7ish taxi back to house, get into going out clothes
head out 7.30pm bite to eat then beer, got a table booked at a nightclub try be home by 3am.

wednesday, chapel spa at 10.30am for 1 hour swedish body massage, then try and carry on through. By thursday ill be the walking dead.

Heard it here mate but I hope its wrong.

CHELTENHAM FESTIVAL PREVIEW EVENING at BANGOR-ON-DEE RACEOURSE

Thursday, February 28th

This was the third year of the Bangor-On-Dee Racecourse preview evening in front of a capacity audience and featured the same panel as last year; leading trainer Donald McCain (DM), Cheltenham Festival Betting Guide author Paul Jones (PJ), Jumping Prospects author John Morris (JM) and broadcaster and commentator Stewart Machin.

Ladbrokes World Hurdle
JM: I have heard that Reve De Sivola is having some serious training problems. It would be great if Peddlers Cross came back to his best. Bog Warrior is better over hurdles than fences so I respect him and especially if it comes up soft. Wonderful Charm wouldn’t be out of this if they ran here rather than the Coral Cup.

8 days away now.

We are getting the train down monday arriving 8pm ish, stock the house with bacon, beer, and bog roll, out for a few and a curry monday, then head for an hour in the best place to hear whispers. The strip club.
tuesday up at 10, bit of music bacon sarnie, tinny. head to a real ale boozer ive found near yates's then head to track 12.30ish, placepot beer, lets gogogo, 5.30pm an hour drinking with entertainment in the centaur, 7ish taxi back to house, get into going out clothes
head out 7.30pm bite to eat then beer, got a table booked at a nightclub try be home by 3am.

wednesday, chapel spa at 10.30am for 1 hour swedish body massage, then try and carry on through. By thursday ill be the walking dead.

^^^^thats some planning action man, hope you get some winners in amongst it all GL

This I reckon :D

Cheltenham interview with Neil 'Bad Beat' Channing on @FinalFurlongPod, hosted by @Emmet_Kennedy. Well worth a listen, even if you think you don't have 78 minutes to spare!

http://soundcloud.com/emmet-kennedy/neil-channing-talks-to-the?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=mshare&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=http://soundcloud.com/emmet-kennedy/neil-channing-talks-to-the

different class by channing, was loving it all up until they said my multiple e/w bets on china rock were in jeapordy for the ryanair but its still entered...

Can't quite articulate how pissed of I am to be in the Gillis at the time.....rediculousky jealous,  vpcan I have my "atmosphere updates" face time calls from the strip bar as well

imperial commander, astracad and tcm all out for twister

norrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr horseplayer is right.

"NIGEL TWISTON-DAVIES has been hit by a further setback on a dreadful day for his yard after two more horses were ruled out of the Cheltenham Festival just hours after 2010 Gold Cup winner Imperial Commander was diagnosed with a lung infection.

Astracad, who had entries in both the Byrne Group Plate and Grand Annual, and The Cockney Mackem, entered in the Rewards4Racing Novices Handicap Chase, will also miss the meeting due to a bug."

ffffffffffffffffffffffs The Cockney Mackem was one of my few antepost bets.

What price would Darlan (RIP) have been for Champion hurdle? Assuming it beat ROR like it should have.

4/1 or thereabouts I reckon and the HF price might have come back to 7/2.

would worry me a lot if i was on the new one

twiston is already saying it is just certain horses affected but you dont pull out two horses with liveish chances in the festival unless there is a problem in the whole yard surely?

Yes my thoughts exactly, first thing i did was look at New ones price currentlly 100/30 Pont Alexandre a solid looking 9/4. Gutted for Commander.

Hills go 10/1 Long Run, think I've found my bet.

make sure you bet it each way

i actually think the best value price at the festival at this moment is sprinter sacre at 2/7  wonder if any bookies will offer a special at 1/2ish

Gonna whack a few quid on ur tips trigg goin there Friday should be a good day......gl if that's u at the 100rebuy final on ipoker also....

yeh it is im having a huge meltdown here

Still deep plenty of play glglgl...u think maybe they r playin together??

paranoia is strong with me this time of night

Lol.....strange tho seems this and the 200 is only comp they play tho....nice catch there :)

brutal

Sick.....didn't meant to derail ur thread lol best of luck with the Cheltenham bets also

I placed my order with the newsagent for the RP on Tues/Wed/Thu/Fri as well as my usual copy on a Saturday.

Only five more sleeps :)

did anyone watch a Betfair preview that was on tonight?

mate mentioned the panel were really keen on Pont Alexandre in the Neptune and opinions ranged from it would go off about 5/4 to Nicholls saying Walsh had told him not to bother running owt against it.

does anyone know if that was true?

got my paul jones festival guide finally, spent all day narrowing down the mainly the handicap fields to suit the biggest trends for each race. Have come up with a shortlist. Problem is most obv have multiple entires. Ive only really bet the ones
at the biggest prices.

You bother with the Mark Howard update? Whos Paul Jones? Bobby- Pont looks a nice horse but 5/4 would be ridiculous, Ruby mentioned it on morning line last week, like his best ride. Weather forecast not looking good, putting covers back on.

cheers Biddy, I saw the forecast was bad for early next week too, talking of frost and minus temp early in the days?

Yer - 4 forecast, lets hope that sun gets to work early.

anyone got opinions on where dynaste will run?

What do you make of The New One in the Neptune? I'm really looking at opposing Pont Alexandre and I think this could be a cracking horse.

im on at 7s and 8s.  Worried of all this bullish talk about pont, but we have great course form in the book

Well, pont is touching 7/4 but there aren't many novices I'd be prepared to back inside 2/1 in Cheltenham Festival week.

if they went 7/4 simonsig you would miss your own wedding to get on ;)

If they went 7/4 I'd marry the bookie.

if anyone is out on monday night or around about at the festival pm me for my number be nice to meet a few of you

David wants to run it in the RSA, Martin in the Jewson.

So probably will be the Jewson lol

Sucks for our Module bet if so tho :(

It certainly does wise sir

doing an anti rain dance here

Rick,

Loving the Cheltenham buzz & enthusiasm you have.

I keep wanting to ask you a difficult question, but you can only mock me if it really is daft, & I'll cope, so here goes....

How much of your Cheltenham buzz is down to what is without doubt a wonderful punting week, & how much is it down to the occasion of seeing the best NH horses in a great setting, pitting the best against the best.

Answer it this way, if it helps......

You have 100 marks to allocate between...

Punting @ Cheltenham

Cheltenham Festival without ANY punting.

How many marks will each get? (Only 100 in TOTAL).

Me too as any significant rain scuppers the SE plot for the Ryanair.

De Bromhead says it's still 50/50 and ground-dependant.

Raining heavily down south today Ralph, & has been non-stop since 3am, & it is forecast to continue all day. But it is still nearly a week away, so plenty of recovery time if the weather dries up.

Lucy Verasamy ‏@LucyWeather

Looking very chilly for Cheltenham next week. Frosty nights will firm up the ground.

Normally at this time of year my study is deep in books/updates from Weatherbys/Martin Julian/Jumping Prospects/Mark Howard.....the list goes on. But over the last couple of years I have found myself missing or diluting several winners I have chosen because of my thought processes, things I have seen, and worked out. This has been because of the amount of bloody stuff I read, and let sway me away from my own selection process.

Having won at 10 of the last 11 festivals(admittedly Bellvano got me out of a large hole last year at the last chance saloon), I noted the more I read, the less I was winning. Strange huh!

So this year, bar the preview evenings update I have no outside influences, and I feel really happy with my little bag of selections this year.  All the big ante post punts are in good shape, MTOY, Goulanes/Close House/Capt Chris/Overturn plus others, and now I just have to endure 5 more sleepless nights. Ain't this time of year just grand?!

Oh Look.

Dynaste drifting like mad, out to 4s on betty, and Goulanes backed strongly........I wonder who could be riding him?!

CORAL HAIL SPRINTER SACRE OFFER AS THEIR MOST SUCCESSFUL EVER

 * Sprinter Sacre Trends On Twitter As 15,000 Place Bets At Evens *

 

Coral this afternoon hailed their headline Cheltenham Festival offer of "Evens on Sprinter Sacre" as the most successful promotion they have ever offered on any horse racing event, and then confirmed it will run for several more days at least.

 

The Even money offer on Sprinter Sacre was launched by Coral at 9am this morning and by 5pm over 15,000 customers had taken advantage of the offer at an average stake of £18.

 

“The incredible demand from customers has exceeded our expectations but not surprised us as we knew we were offering an irresistible price about the star of next week’s Cheltenham Festival. Twitter went ballistic in the morning with over 95% of the conversations about Sprinter Sacre discussing our offer and at 10am Sprinter Sacre was trending on twitter,” said Simon Clare, Coral Spokesman.

 

“This is just the start though as we are going to continue the offer for at least the next few days so anyone and everyone who wants to get Evens about the shortest priced Festival favourite since Arkle will have ample time to do so,” promised Clare.

 

“There were some gripes about our decision to restrict a minority of customers to £10 but the vast majority got the full £20 at the promotional price but with such huge demand we want to stretch the offer out for as long as possible and have given priority to our regular customers and new accounts” added Clare.

 

“This is already the biggest and best offer we have ever run and with TV advertising starting tomorrow we expect our liabilities to hit seven figures sometime this weekend”, concluded Clare.

Yer goes to show how skint folk are.

twitter was rife with pro punters mocking those who took the offer and appearing above it

find it strange myself that at least 5 i saw regularly work for minor radio services/newspapers appear on racing uk/atr for not a great deal of money when it appears by there attitude they would not pick £20 up if they found it in the street

They allowed me a cockle on SS but I now have another in my account due to misplaced optimism.

I'm sure I'll find something to do with it.

Pray For Grandouet

What's happened to grandouet?

went to 40s betfair

lol. cliffs:

1) Went out to a high of 85.0 on betfair
2) twitter exploded confirming it as a non runner due to lack of work and not enough time to put it right
3) I seethed around including throwing a 500ml bottle of sprite at Jones' head
4) Came back to around 20s
5) Henderson came on RUK and said it was absolutely fine and had worked well with Une Artiste this morning
6) Slowly came back to around 9.0 about 4 hours after the drifting had all started

Imagine having backed it at 85 now!

Don't even think about it!

Sadly not.

Like I'd ever let anyone ever forget it if I had and it won.

How is Jones?

Hes great, he said hes retired from blonde for a bit coz he couldn't stop refreshing tips for tikay when he was like 16 tabling and it was affecting his game

Glad to hear that but..

I meant after getting hit by the bottle you threw at him.

No worries, he would have missed, fo sho.

when are the final decs for Tuesday's races, today or tomorrow?

Just recalled

Last race last year

The Chemist/JP Mac

Would be worse starts to the festival if that were the same combo in the first on Tuesday!


EDIT. I dont mean Jezki!

He's a good chance, 1st and second favourite. Just doing a bit of studying, difficult as usual. Fancy 6 or 7 in every race. Handicaps look a nightmare. Think Cue cards my bet of the week. might have a nice treble sprinter, simonsig and something else.

dynaste out of RSA and goes for Jewson

Think it will take some beating, 7/4 with 365.  Come to conclusion im not bothering with big handicaps, giving me headache. Just sticking to big races.

2013 version of Downtown "Cheltenham" - ”If you’re a horse that people want to see running then forget them 'n head – to Cheltenham
Sidestep the King George, Argento and Denman just as long as there’s… Cheltenham.
Just listen to those Ante Post quotes from the bookies. Linger in the market, drift on Betfair, no that’s spoofing…
How can you lose?
The lights are much brighter there
You can forget all the punters, forget all racegoers, so straight to Cheltenham – things’ll be great when you’re at Cheltenham – no finer place for sure
Cheltenham – everyone’s waiting for you

nice to see you posting again horsey hope things are good or better.

slowly getting there biddy

thanks for asking appreciate it

Conditions getting worse, surely no good MTOYT

mate just because its snowing out of your window. (it is mine also) they have the covers down at the moment, and MTOY glided through the soft ground at newbury last time. I gotta say though at 6/4 its a good lay in my opinion, im on at 10/1 though, so will be screaming AP on. lets gogogoggogo

I think snow is nationwide tbh.

Heard AP mention this weather on TV and in paper and last time he mentioned it this much it came second

two of hobbsy's out. melodic rendevouz and balthazaar king
sorry melodic is jeremy scotts, always confuse it because of the colours ;)

No snow/rain in Chelts today.

Blowing a freezing cold easterly wind though.

Bring your thick jumpers boys its gonna be a cold one!

sizing europe going for QM, weve done our dough ralph :(

in for £350 on the ryanair and dont have a runner

It was always going to be dependant on the ground Rick as 2m5f on testing ground would not be ideal but had there been any "good" in the going description I'm convinced the Ryanair would have been the preference. We can only hope for some sign of the ground getting better on Thursday.

It is a blow to my Mail de Bievre EW bet too as that probably means that there's only third place available now.

:D  I'm also an ante-post loser on the race, but your post reminded me of one particular player (that we have shared a FT with) spending £900 attempting to satellite into a £750 comp and not getting a ticket.

bad racing punter questions for those more knowledgeable please, for Tuesday

Supreme

With all the talk on MTOY, Jezki etc, what's wrong with Un Atout? Unbeaten, form in soft and heavy. Not sure what it has beaten but has hacked up. Mullins brings him over and he's 17/2 best.

Champion

Zarkandar has a winning line through Rock on Ruby/Grandouet this year, and testing ground suits it.

Why would he be twice the price of Hurricane Fly in this market?


ty

So many offers on the supreme think I have backed half the field.  Absolutely no idea which is my best winner.

Nothing wrong with Un Atout, just little/no collateral form, whereas MTOY and Jezki have pretty much got some rock solid stuff in their portfolio

The fact unscrupulous Ruby has chosen H Fly, over well beaten in same race last year, Zarkander, tells you the rest.

ty

as of this afternoon

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Fooking cold though!

Tarmacced the lot.

Pikey's must of made a fortune

tighty,
should you bet Zarkander you must do it at Paddys for the money back offer if the fly wins.
at 9/4 you have a notional 30% chance of getting you cash back

thank you

Carlito Brigante in the last. Much lower mark than before, likes the ground

8/1 e/w

yes? no?

I like it's chances.

thanks

Time to look for a new paper round after Cheltenham I think, most likely

Elliot bang in form aswell.

Special offer on Willy Hill

Log into your account and find £160 you forgot about last May!

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Invested on Champagne Fever and Un Atout in the first, both EW @ SP

If you had to pick one horse all festival what would it be;
Horse name, Race, Price.

Wafl :p

Congrats.

Kerrrrrrchinnnnnngggg

Gutted for Grandouet, I hope he has his day

Just heard he fell. Disappointing. Is it a case of being 'best of the rest'?

Its a case of a horse having all the talent in the world but having struggles with health and with jumping. Its a bad feeling, not knowing, there is no reason he couldn't have made a bold bid to win that race the way it finished and the way he was going.

He pulled very hard and never settled early today Brent so I would doubt that he would have found too much after the last.

I respectfully disagree. I did think he was pulling hard early but when I checked the in-running price on betfair he was 8.4 at the time, lower than the sp.

I'm Grandouets number one fan though, definitely biased. Nicky Henderson just said he should go to Punchestown to take on Hurricane Fly. Harry Fry said Rock On Ruby would go there as well, so should be good.

I noticed his price IR too and was surprised it was so short despite pulling.

I hope he comes home sound and it would be good to see all of them take each other on again.

Lol at the Jackpot return  £2339 for Twenty thousand to one odds
Terrible decision selling off the Tote to bookmaker

True tue

Tomorrow's card is a good example of how the festival has been diluted by the extra day.

IMHO of course.

Supreme- obv gutted had jezki 12s un atout 16s and 15o MTOY at 10s got slow rolled but ruby gave it such a good ride and we just got outstayed.

Arkle- huge anti climax but simonsigs performance was much better than it looked.

JLt- wouldn't have bet the winner with tikes money

CH- don't think grandouet would have beaten the fly but it might have saved me in one of my match bets, owe Ralph a few quid now. So crazy, I had a 50 double back in August simonsig and the fly at 3s and 5s and it saved my bacon today. So the horse I couldn't have for my life(fly) is the only one I get right, well wrong, but right.

Mares, gutted une artiste didn't perform lost a bundle ew at 16s and w/o quevega at 4s but stayed to applaud the super mare into the paddock. We've seen history after all.

Last race had small ew on four jacks who pulled up and all in all about. 200 down on the day, but got very very lucky, all my strong opinions were wrong and I was lucky a double got me out of it. After racing we went in down drinking then a strip club now it's 4.20 am and we are at chapel spa at 10.30 for a massage. Roll on day 2 and Bordoni in the Fred winter plllllllz. Xx

This RSA looks an embarrassingly bad renewal.

Think Goulanes will buck the trends and win despise only one previous chase run. Lord Windermere the main danger from Ire.

I pray you're right!!

help please...

am i crazy for betting Tataniano e/w in the betting w/o sprinter sacre market @ 80/1???  ;dingdell;

we can oppose Back in focus in the 1st can we not?

With?

Got placepot up 10.90 just about get 1st round in.

Just managed to nab a couple of tickets for me and the old man for Friday.  Never been to C before. Imagine its going to be a bit busy!!   Any pointers (parking/eats) etc?

I reckon Trigg's well out of it and nicely in the black now too.

Great news, he was so revved up!

One time Bordoni...and we have a sweat sir

Trigg I owe you 150 quid, let me know where you want it ;)

national hunt chase- thrilling finish but had bet river d'estruval which was going as well as anything so a bit gutting the sweat didnt last longer.
Neptune, oioioioi landed about a monkey in match bets and £150 at 8s the new one, bang, first race of 9 id called right was a good relief, watched it with the camel on the lawn.
RSA had houlon des obeux at 33/1 and gourlanes at 12s never got much of a sweat and gt chinned in the placepot, weakest RSA ive ever seen and pipe has to be a bit nervous now as i realy belive dynaste would have put these all to sleep, lost about a bottle on the race.
QM. no interest in the race and was a procession, impressive as it was it beat trees today.
coral cup- had 3 darts and none hit the ref bit, prob did about £150 on the race.
fred winter - watched this in the coral box with claypoles mate so tucked into free liquor and ploughed down a load of gin and tonic, the whole box was on bordoni, i had 250 e/w at 20s and 16s and having been promising to run a great race, it stepped off and missed one badly and seemed to go wrong as if shot and back peddled, so disappointing, so stocked my belly full of more free GnTs and sarnies/scones/cake
Bumper, had £50 e/w liquidator at 25/1 but cant remember where i had it and if i got 4 places, so potentially won a bottle on the race.

While in the coral box we heard from the main guy that there had been a load of sharp money for one at kempton in the 7.20 all the boys got on it, bar camel and 1 mate of mine.... BOOM £100 at 16s  to save the day a little.

after 2 holy mothers of heavy nights im back at one of the houses now post curry with a glass of red just chilling, be in bed for 12 and ready to go tommorow.

biggest 2 bets tommorow are module £75 ew at 20s and £200 on reve de sivola at 8s, also had captain sunshine for the pertemps,

Punctuation and paragraphing overrated when you're post indian and mid 2nd bottle of red

Get the lot son :)

I remember a couple of weeks back someone mentioning that Coral are accepting upto £10k of bets?

I went into corals today and wanted £400 on Cantlow. They had to phone up & verify the bet, then tell me they couldn't pay it out on the day if it won. Simailar line in Hills too.

sigh.

Think you should be happy they are taking it to be honest mate!

Heard big things of this Cantlow, not sure wether it will go on better ground. Dynaste 6/4 8/1 bar one horse race according to betting.

I want to take on Dynaste

I think

In fact I want to take on most of the jollies today.

could be expensive

Yeah, although probably have no worries online but don't want anymore gambling transactions on statement, so keeping money on Hills/Coral for time being.

Jewson- lost on the d event bet on module, just never got up for 3rd,

Per temps, so sick had 180 ew on captain sunshine at 20s and thought I was in the queue at more than one time.

Ryanair, lost 300 w/o. Haing a runner and compounded it by betting first leuitenant ot oh

World hurdle, money we t south on reve de similar as it was off the it and battled for 3rd

Lkast 2 did nothing and was about a grand down on the Day. Two of the lads had a cheeky score on carrickboy at 50s so morale was class

Good to see the beer never went to waste though mate!!!!

haha Reve De Similar.

Enjoying your brief updates mate, was on Captain Sunshine in that race too, and Jetson which came 3rd, ffs.

Had one winner each day so just keeping slightly ahead so far, had Same Difference in the Kim Muir yest when I was starting to get into a hole.

Fancy Rolling Star in the first tomorrow and think Kashmir Peak is overpriced. Gona get the forecast up.

The week hangs on sir des champs for me. My ante post bets looked good on paper but haven't realised into cash bar the new one. Gl all today, on way back home can't hack another day

My mate randomly came out with Same Difference when I was talking to him on Skype, but it was just a 'might do that in the next'... I should have taken more notice, he normally won't back anything that's out of the top 2 in the betting :(

bank xfer plz mate, pm'd you details

On it now. Sorry Trigg, completely slipped mind.

losing bets usually do mate :p

Haha, isn't it always the way...unless they come close ofc and then we remember forever (Rock on Ruby chinned at 1.05 in the Neptune rankles to this day!)

 Cash with you now  :)up