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Recently started playing liveaments mainly around Manchester and occasionally in Leeds

In the 3 I've cashed, a deal has been done every time.

I've never come out of a deal with in a negative chip ev situation, but I have always felt very under pressure to chop.

Will a deal be done pretty much every time in weekly tournaments?

Should I feel under pressure to chop or is it "socially acceptable" to play on?

I've never been a part of a deal where the floor was allowed to facilitate. Should I worry about getting screwed over at the cashier?

Yeah, there can be a lot of pressure, and the sort of folk who play small freezeouts are the sort of people who love deals, but if you don't want to do one tell them to get lost. I've done it before. There are people who will tell you about deal karma but Tighty banned them they can be safely ignored.

90% of people will do a deal, but 90% of people are losing money over the long run so don't feel you have to do what everyone else wants.

And yes, I'd worry about getting grimmed at the cashier. In fact you can weave that into your refusal speech if you don't want to tell people straight.

I play a lot of these and not bragging but do make a few final tables.

People want to deal because usually when these tournaments go down to the FT the average is prob 7-8bb's and the CL will only have 20-25 and people say they don't want to "flip" for lots of money.

Rarely do I deal and the times I've said I want to play on I wasn't met with a lot of resistance, I think you should make it clear that you don't intend to deal once the FT starts not after you've just tripled and now have everyone crushed :) not saying you did this but just in case ;)

Normally when the FT starts and floor guy mentions deals I just say very politely "I hope nobody minds but I'd like to try and win this, you're more than welcome to deal when I bust" I think if you're friendly in your demeanour nobody should take offence.

Regarding the cashier side, never had any problems

Where do you play in Manchester?

In weekly tournaments where a lot of the regulars are local - social players rather then pros - you'll be asked to chop fairly often I would image as the amounts of money on the line will be fairly large amounts for them to effectively 'gamble'. However you play the game for yourself therefore you should have your own mind, if you don't want to deal then don't deal. At the end of the day if the lack of deal is going to have a negative effect on their game I.e. they play scared then I'd be refusing deals every time.

Thanks for comments guys

One other factor I forgot to mention was pressure from the rail

Last night one of the regs was railing his buddie and was desp for his mate to deal.

I guess it goes without saying that you shouldn't bow to the pressure of others if you don't want.

Play at 235 in manchester mainly, not cash though

Chopped their sunday bounty last night, hence this post

lov e235 tourneys

Rarely do deals unless its with one of the regs there that I like.

sometimes I do deals to try and speed up the game cos I CBA to play any more longer. and I like to jam every hand after the deal is done

cash at 235 is very good

Thanks for all the feedback.

tourneys at 235 are really good, hope they increase the range and continue to get bigger fields.

Yeah from what I've heard/seen the cash their looks good. It's 10 handed though isn't it?

if anyone mentions deals in local comps, I just say no thanks Im not interested. They will onbviously all hate you, but if these doesnt bother you then dont worry.

Alternatively, if you are chip lead, just say "ill take first place you guys can discuss the rest". This only needs to work occasionally!

Just say can we make it winner take all.

9 handed
the 1£ 1£ game rake is 5% capped at 10£
but the 1£ 2£ is5% capped at 5£

its a shame the thursday 60£ doesnt get going

They've cancelled the Thursday one in favour of running more PLO cash that night.

Annoying because it was the biggest buy in they did

whats ur name? I prob seen you about.

Tom Hinchliffe, I play a 235 tourney maybe once a week: you?

Regarding feeling the pressure to make deals I've certainly made some friends in the past with telling them to get lost. The deal I hate the most is when (as an example) top 9 get paid and there is a final of 10 and people say "Let's take £200 off the top to give to 10th". Of course I am probably playing with mongrels as it's a £200fo and they will all fold incorrectly to make the money.

Sometimes you've just got to be that guy.

I used to play there 2-3 times a week cash mainly but play the sunday tourney

I do well there untill i go upstairs and play roulette :D

The tourneys are abit too small for my liking but sunday is a fun tourney

I don't mind a deal when it gets to the vinegar strokes with average stacks around 10BB, but the instant request for saver payments as soon as we're on the bubble just grinds.
I refuse when I'm short too.

Pretty much what I do and say to the word I have done many deals in past but never come away happy how are you suppose to gain exp of winning if always deal done is the line I take

I have no problem with taking 1BI off of 1st or equivalent to pay the bubble, I think that's good for the game.

How often have people refused deals and shipped it?

Only ever acceptable if it's agreed when you're one off the bubble and thus moving the bubble spot one place. Not good even then.

The bubble part of the tournament is a great chance to chip up put yourself in the best possible chance of winning the tournament so moving the position of the bubble can have a bigger impact than some people realise.

I have done deals both live and online. I have also refused deals both online and live and as others mentioned you just need to make sure you come over in the correct way. If the deal isn't in your best interests then don't be bullied into anything, you just have to politely get your point accross and get on with the game and win dem moniez! If you have a monster chip lead then try saying you will take 1st place money and they can do what they want with the rest. You will be surprised how often this sort of thing works as the difference for shorter stacks between money for next money out and what they get under the deal is significant. Would I would say is you should factor in the fact that you are potentially regularly playing some of these guys if you are playing lots of small tournaments at the same venue.

The 'Emperor of Final Table Deals' is a shifty character from Much Binding in the Marsh, in Fenlandshire, by the name of Graham Weld-On.

At his bi-annual appearance on a Luton G F/T - with four getting paid - he is to be seen rummaging around in his tatty 'de-mob rucksack' desperately searching for the 'tools of his trade'.

Players look on, totally bemused, at the sight of a rather tatty chap prostrating himself before them complete with knee-pads and a begging bowl, with "Please Sir, can I have some more?" scrawled along one side     ....    strains of 'If I were a rich man' belting out from his iPod in his panicked attempt to secure a nine way chop, or a minimum of five bubble prizes.

When Chompy 'negotiates' you can be sure he'll try to get a 'payout' for anyone within 100 metres      ....    it is rumoured that two valets, and Pina the Cleaner, filled the top three spots on one occasion recently.

It's all about anonymous agreement or disagreement, red or black card FTW then do what you wish.

How would you handle someone putting their black card face up on the table and encouraging others to do the same?
This happened at the end of a £5k gtd locally and the least experienced player was left, last to act as it were staring at three face up black cards ....

How I do it here, if a card is exposed (black or red) to anyone then no deal.

This happened a while ago when one of our local cardrooms introduced the red/black system. Everyone started throwing them in face-up saying that they were in agreement with a deal. I insisted that that they had to be returned face-down as that is the whole point of the system and the dealer (who had been accepting the face-up cards) then agreed and gave them back. They all put them back in face down and the dealer then showed a full set of the same colour in agreement with a deal. Although I didn't really want to do a deal, it wasn't worth burning my bridges for a small tournament, but it established a precedent that may be helpful to me at bigger events there in the future.

Couldn't disagree more, in fact I'd argue its terrible for the game.

was it jp kelly who negotiated a deal for more than 1st place money once?

how can you negotiate a deal for more than 1st plave??

peopled who often talk about deals 4 / 5 handed don't have much of a game in my experience..... they are often happier to do a deal because they never win torneys.  say no deal and destroy them!! ;snoopy'sguns;

strange one...pokerstars freeroll 950 odd runners...got knocked out 7th then watched the table

1st £1000 + monte carlo trip for a Jonathan Ross charity match
2nd £800
3rd £600
4th £500

chip stacks 1.3m 500k 500k and 300k and they all try to split a deal...the moderator comes on and tells them they can't as first is a package but seriously can anyone see a benefit in dealing here for the big stack who also wanted it???


edit...big stack came 3rd...prob why he wanted to deal