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Following suggestions/requests from our members, I have been consulting players over the past month to introduce a Decision Time and Time Bank at Dusk Till Dawn for all of our Club Tournaments. . I plan to discuss this with our card room staff further, the proposal on the table following various feedback from players so far is;

1) Players will be expected to make a decision on their hand within a Decision Time

2) The Decision Time will be the equivalent to the clock for that tournament level, but in seconds, for example, a 15 minute clock would be 15 seconds, a 30 min clock would be 30 seconds and a 60 minute clock would be 1 minute

3) Should a player have not made a decision within the Decision Time, the dealer will notify the player that their Decision Time is over and then count down aloud 5 seconds and then announce "Hand Is Dead"

4) When a player buys into a poker tournament, each player will receive a Time Bank Chip which they can use at anytime, this allows the player to double the decision time allowed for that hand, all the player has to do is throw the chip over the chip line at any point during the hand and the Time Bank will be added onto the players Decision Time

5) Players will receive an additional Time Bank Chip for the final table, if the player has not used their initial Time Bank Chip, they have 2 Time Bank Chips to use in the final.

6) Players will receive an additional Time Bank Chip for each extra Day of a tournament, for example, if you made Day 2 of our £300 Deepstack, you would be given an additional Time Bank Chip when you arrive on Sunday for Day 2.


Comments/better ideas/tweaks are very welcome, nothing is set in stone.

Cheers Aces

Sounds bloody awesome

I think when you use your chip you should get as long as you need (within boundaries of reason)

While I personally like the idea of a "shot clock" similar to how the Aussie Millions runs, I think this is a disastrous idea for "all" comps. I think the standard weekly comps will be hurt as it will be disliked by the many recreational players. I can understand it being used for the premium events like the monthly deepstacks and Monte Carlo's.... but not for the XXL25's and Super 50's.... we need to remember that poker is a fun night out for most players, and this rule is not a standard poker rule across all service providers. Recreational players that play elsewhere, and then come to DTD for their "fabourite" comps will be p***ed off imo, as they won't be having the same fun experience they have at other venues.

I'm curious as to why the need for this change. I can't say in my experience there is a lot of slow play. Like I say, I like it personally, as I consider myself more serious than recreational, therefore personally I think it increases my edge on the standard DTD field. But overall for the good of poker at DTD, I don't like it.

I don't think 15 seconds of thinking time followed by a dead hand will be at all popular. By the time you've processed what's going on you're being pressured into doing something and before you know it dead hand.

I do like the idea in principle but is this really a problem?

In a turbo comp I think it's a good idea but otherwise...

Good idea in principle think the amounts of time need tweaking a bit. As 30 seconds is not a ton of time. Im very quick with my decisions in general but its not unreasonable im gonna have more than one tough spot before a final table. Its the people who take 30 seconds to look at there hand EVERY hand then take ages to fold even though everyone knows they are folding cos they are huge nits. Guess its just good to punish them i guess haha.

Bad bad bad bad if you ask me. Yes some people do take to long to make there mind up and yes they should be something done about this but this is not the way!!! I think doing this will turn people away from dtd. Well me for one

I somewhat like the principle I guess, at least for basic decisions, although it doesn't seem very rec friendly as people have mentioned. I certainly think this initial plan is too harsh on time. You should be allowed longer relative to the size of the pot, the action in front of you and the street you're on or something.


Also agree with this^

I also like the idea in principle and I think I'll benefit from it however I think it needs some tweaks.

I agree with whoever said that it maybe shouldn't be used in your smaller comps. People playing those are more likely to be recreational and should be pressured less into making quicker decisions. If its a must for all tournaments then I think those games should have a longer decision time in relation to the clock as 15 secs doesn't seem much. Maybe make it minimum 30 seconds no matter the clock and that increases as the buyin/clock increases beyond 30 mins,

We definetly need way more than 1 time bank chip per day. For the £300s and £500s for example I think it should start with 2 or 3 chips and gain a chip on every break. If someone plays a full day of poker and you add up all the times the average person has a decision on their action throughout the day, I think it's reasonable for them to be allowed a little longer than normal on 3-5 decisions per day. I also feel like river decisions should get a little bit more time than other decisions as there is more to process by then however if there are multiple time bank chips in play then I guess they can use more than 1 if required

Like the idea in principle as well.

A question. What happens if the player asks a question to the dealer to clarify a bet, the action or stack size? Does this come out of their allocated time or not?

I guess calling the floor pauses any clock as well? This could lead to people calling the floor to get more thinking time as a tactic.

Do think that the time bank chip should give more time, as it should only be used rarely (the player can't time bank every hand), and with a difficult decision on the bubble or final table they might need a minute rather than 15 seconds.

Do think it will help to speed up those players who regularly take far too long on every hand.

i don't think a dealer should be declaring any hand dead tbh. also agree beginners should be under less pressure/more relaxed.

at which point does the time start? what if the bet needs counting down exact? what if they were just sorting payment for a valet?

i like the idea but it needs tweaking

My first reaction is I don't like it.

Most people make their decisions within a reasonable amount of time, so punish the handful who want to take a minute over every decision, rather than put constraints on the majority. If a player is deemed by the dealer to be taking too long over decisions, a warning may be given by the floor and, if this is repeated, sanctions may follow.

I reckon I make the vast majority of my bigger decisions within 20/30 seconds but I would like to think if I played a super 50 with 200 runners, I'm not going to be forced to make a big decision on the bubble or at the final in 25 seconds because I used my Time Bank chip early doors.

I'm honestly not sure the extent to which I want to travel to be put on the clock every hand. Those of us who don't play much online aren't used to it.

It's a novel idea, don't get me wrong. I just think (if I understand the problem is that some people are taking the mickey) that the problem can be solved in a better way.

Don't play too frequently live. Is there a problem generally with people tanking? I find a lot of the games run smoothly enough, but that could well be me acclimatised to it over the years and not realising just how long some people are taking.

Simon,

In my personal opinion, I don't believe that it's a good idea to put the decision in the hands of the dealing staff. The beautiful thing about being floor is that once you've made a potentially aggravating decision, you're able to walk away. If they have to declare a hand dead - especially working on an internet speed mechanic, it's surely going to upset people - and the dealer is now the object of ire; in effect calling a clock and then killing their hand.

I certainly think it does have merits, though, but I'd suggest you implement it slowly and based upon feedback either expand or disband as applicable.

Would also add, just the notion of it being introduced may add a stress factor to some and make them enjoy it less. Feeling pressure that makes them more flustered and getting reduced enjoyment out of the game and perhaps, against the intention of this being introduced, the player would love more time, but would have had the same action done if the time bank measure wasn't in place.

Probably overshooting it though, as the times suggested are probably more ample then i realise.

Also how will the dealer take to always thinking about the time?

Would some players look to max out their allotted time for the sake of it knowing they can even though it is unnecessary just because the whole thing has become more exposed by the introduction of the shot clock?

I am just throwing those things out there. I quite like the idea.

Love the idea, but 15secs is nowhere near enough.

Think you can do a 45/90/120 split by buy in level, perhaps doubling where any player is having to decide for tournament life?

15 secs way too short!
I agree that people in general play too slow but with large sums of money at stake thats understandable.
It could be a real car crash and very fiddly for the dealers to police in terms of when they start the clock, in what circumstances it can be stopped and they have to do that for every player on every hand on every street. It may lead to more dealer mistakes which can be one of the worst things about live poker.

Why not just give the dealers more powers to clamp down on persistent slow play and people not paying attention.

I would be interested to know the specific feedback that has brought about this need for change

Love the idea and have seen it work well on the whole in cash games in Australia.

I think you need to lengthen the min time to 30 secs across the board and a time bank chip should be added at each break (assuming 2 hours between breaks).

My experience is no one, regs or recs enjoy watching some dwell up constantly and slow the game down but do understand when someone has a genuine decision to make.

In principle I can see merit in trialing a means of controlling this. The times proposed though seem too restrictive and I don't see why a decision window is proportional to the structure. I appreciate that the impact of a player tanking in a 20 minute level clock game has a greater impact than in a 45 minute structure but the same spot in either game should, imo, be given equal opportunity to think through.

Slow play can be a problem in golf and officials issue a warning and then a penalty, they don't stand there counting down from 5 as the golfer takes his backswing. The best dealers I've seen have always managed the pace of their game so would prefer dealers to be trained to manage the game more proactively and call in TD if there is an ongoing issue. Dealers could be counting down from 5 in the first hand of a comp which seems ridic. What happens if you lose your time bank chip at some point? Players are given a new time bank chip along with a forgetful chip? If you get 3 forgetful chips in one month then you can't have a new timebank chip if you lose it?

It's amazing that with the influx of internet mutes into live poker there now has to be a mechanism in place for everything whereas people used to rely on the power of speech. It's like that cloth bag with the red and black cards to indicate if you want to deal rather than speaking. Just call the clock if you are genuinely pissed about slow play imo.

You also need to be careful with the "unintended consequences of taxation. " 

You are doing this to change behaviour, however there are often consequences that also change behaviour. 

For example, if each player has 1 minute to act on the bubble, then each hand can fairly take 9 mins on the bubble. Obviously the decisions on the bubble, are invariably tougher so you can't take away this time bank to save this from occurring. 

Also some people who have snap folded for 2 days, can rightly not even look at their hand for this 1 minute period. 

I'm just not sure the problem is so bad that this is the response. It's interesting that industry wide people have called for a shot clock, but I'm not certain there is a reasonable response.

I also hadn't even considered the fact this is dealer implemented, and some players already give dealers grief, this is just another thing they will use. 

Mitch will also agree to this I presume !!

Simon.

With the greatest respect mate, I think this is a terrible Idea. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

You are trying to make live poker mirror online poker. I know you can do it, but you will lose a lot in the process.

Live poker is all about the information that players give away at the table, what they say, how they act and how they react.

Sometimes during a hand, I might want to ask a player a question or exchange a few words with him before deciding on my action. I might not even be involved in the hand, but I can still gain information by listening to the exchanges between other players.

I act pretty quickly most of the time, but the last thing I want is to be worrying about how much time I have available to speak to the bloke I'm in a hand with.

Also. what If I ask him a question when it's his turn to act? I know he doesn't have to answer but he may want to, and anyway, merely thinking about it will be eating into his time ration. Don't forget, he doesn't have the option of switching the chat off like he would if he were playing online.

If players are continually under time pressure, other players will take advantage of that fact and the whole dynamic of the game will change.

Also- Less thinking time for smaller comps? Where's the logic in that? Can small stake recreational players think faster than big buy in players?

The banter between players as a hand plays out is the very essence of live poker, and in my opinion anything that curtails this is a step in the wrong direction.

If you make the live poker experience too much like playing online, people will just play online.

xx

Not sure this will go down well. As said above 15,20secs to make a decision in spots is not long enough. I understand when a player is taking minutes to make a decision fine but 20secs isn't long enough. It's rare I or other call the floor for a clock in a game. I personally don't like this idea and like to be given time to make a decision if its my my tourney life

I was about to write something similar to this before I read what red had said. He articulates it better than me so will leave my thoughts in his capable hands.

Dont punish the majority because of a minorty. If I am pasing I pass quickly but if I occassionally have a decision to make I want to be allowed to make it properly and without pressure. If someone at the table is taking an age every hand then give the dealers powers to politely request they speed up and if they dont then maybe issue them with the stop clock idea just for them.

I also think that the proposed solution doesn't solve the aggravating problems. Its people who don't look at their cards for 15 seconds when its their turn, its people who have their "20 second routine" so that they don't give off tells.  These are the guys who cause the problems.

I'm not sure anyone really gets upset when someone has a genuine decision to make, because we have all been there, and sometimes decisions can be tough. (obv except the short stack who is watching the clock)

Its the serial offenders who cause the angst, and I think maybe a series of escalating warnings should be applied. When they get to a third level warning (or something) they are then given a time disc, which they can use once and once only. (I not saying this is the solution, just throwing it out there, I have already thought of several angles to this already whilst typing).

Also guys that do get called out for timewasting under this proposal, will probably just tank for 30/60 seconds every hand to be petty.



 

Infact, thinking this through further, this rule could end up having the polar opposite effect of its desired intention.

If you are playing vs someone with whom you have a dynamic, you are far more likely to take all of your allotted time on every street, due to the fact that if you get to a very difficult river, you are only going to have 60 seconds to make your decision. So a hand that might take 2 minutes to play out now takes 10 minutes.

The more you think it through the more this sounds like an unworkable idea.

Hate all the time wasting at tables but this will def punish the whole class cause one kid made a fart noise

Horrible idea for all the reasons said before me.

Punish the perpetrators not the masses.

Tom Dwan will never play at DTD if this is implemented.

On the plus side it will deter his many imitators but it does seem a little draconian to me. I am a pretty quick decision-maker but once in a while I do go into the tank if I have what I consider to be a particularly knotty problem and I would not enjoy being rushed into a decision on the odd occasion that this arises.

On the other hand, those guys who take ten or fifteen seconds to make a trivial fold each and every time that it is their turn to act really annoy me and push me to the limit of my patience.

Perhaps there could be a system where persistant offenders are "put on the clock" as in professional golf tournaments and those timing measures are only put into place then. That would prevent the innocent being punished along with the guilty.

Maybe the sensible thing is to try it out with some comps, and have them advertised as 'shot-clock' comps.  Still lots of things to be considered (as mentioned above) as to how it will be implemented and the mechanics of how the timing will be done.

I don't think there's a massive problem to be honest. I think some people take a bit too much time, but it's pretty rare that I'm irritated by people taking too much time.

So unless there's a perfect solution (which I don't think this is for the many reasons pointed out above) I'd just leave things as they are.

Nirvana's analogy of punishing the whole class because one kid made a fart noise is spot on!

Dreadful idea. Will change the whole dynamic of live poker. Why would you want to discourage newcomers and put then under unnecessary pressure to make a decision.

Give them all the time they want i say !

Yeh I think the worst aspect is the pressure it'll put on beginners/recreational players. They'll hate it I think.

So for every reg you make happy that gets annoyed about people tanking (but will still play regardless), there'll be multiple recs and newcomers that are put off and go to play elsewhere imo.

I really hate the idea.

Live poker is relaxed, fun, social event. The table banter, a social elements slow the game down this is just part of live poker but it's also what makes it fun. Yes some people deliberately take longer than is required and it's annoying but there aren't that many who do it and more often than not someone calls them out for it and they get better.

If people NEED to take 1 minute over a decision, then I have no problem, if they NEED to take 3 minutes, I have no problem - If theu need 15seconds but take 1minute every time it's annoying but I think this timebank rule will just alienate inexperienced players.


He doesn't play fast, but he certainly doesn't play slowly Durrrr - that season of high stakes poker he was seen constantly in the tank, but he was in every hand, relative to how many hand he plays I think he wasn't even the slowest on that table.

Just to play devil's advocate, do we actually know there aren't lots of recs who are put off playing because of the speed (or lack of it) of the play?

I have probably been a dozen times in the last twelve months for comps £50-£330. I know I wouldn't enjoy playing under a clock (even though it will infrequently be an issue for me) so I wouldn't expect I'd make the trip from Brum as often.

That not what he's asking.

He's asking do we know that there's not loads of players playing online BECAUSE of all the unnecessary tanking involved in live poker.

Maybe all these would come out the woodwork if this were to be introduced.

I don't think so Boshi.

Oh, I see. Apologies.

Cheerfully withdrawn.

what mc said. conceptually interesting, def not with this specific rule set.


edit forgot to say this would also hugely benefit the regs. bring on the 1-5 second shot clocks, super turbo poker!!


would deffo like to play under this structure in live Turbo tournies though Simon. :)up

I don't like the idea personally, more so at dtd because I never found it too bad there. You should try a PKR sponsored event if you think dtd is slow. They are painful, even pre flop when decisions are relatively easier.

The problem is not enough players are willing to call the clock on piss takers. If one player is constantly taking forever then call the clock on em. If different players on the table call the clock on the same player they soon get the message. And it can tilt em too as an added bonus.

Yeh I think there is a place for this in specifically advertised turbo tournaments. Perhaps run one a week, a £100 turbo with the decision time & time bank, see how it goes?

People taking 2 minutes over decisions in turbo's is really tilting!

Hi
I don't come on here a lot but I play at DTD regularly and it's the best poker venue in the country and I'm very glad it's so close to me.

I have to say this is a terrible idea though! There's a number of reasons, firstly a lot of newer players will be discouraged by this pressure and they will not want to play. Some players always like to think things through which is fine, it's live poker!!! 15 seconds will just never be enough time... I mean you're going to take some of the fun out of live poker here, the social aspect, the speech play, there's no time for any of that in 15 seconds... Some live players play for this part of the game.

I agree that there are some players that wind me up by taking an age to call, but don't punish the masses please... Some folk with headphones on and 'deep' thinkers... Very annoying but just have a yellow/red card penalty system or something, if the dealers have the power to call a hand dead after a few seconds then they can decide when someone is persistently taking too long!

That's my say :)

Rich

Btw, 15 seconds is only for 15 minute clock tournaments. Most tournaments are 30min, 40min, so will be 30 seconds, 40 second time banks.

Agree with you though, just pointing out that people seem to think that it's 15 seconds for all tournaments.

It's a matter of education because in reality every player is on the clock. If you are a profitable/good player the more hands you get in per hr the more benefit. Many players dwell to look cool or copy what they see on the telly without much rhyme or reason to it. When I first started and was dealing the self deal comps I used to say "let's go, you're burning money wasting time" and it did speed up the action. Think dealers could have a positive influence on the flow of the game if they were more pro-active. Dealer should be able to warn and call clock if they think it's in the best interests of managing their particular game.

Not a fan of this, most of the reasons have been covered already in the thread. I play the majority of my volume online, so even though I'm used to making decisions quickly there are more variables to consider in live poker.

If it has to be implemented then as suggested, do special shot clock events as a test. Also, start with a higher shot clock and adjust it downwards as necessary. Starting too low without testing it could be a real mess. 15 seconds is waaaaay too short

 

Harvey, a walk in a dtd a while ago was the best for game flow. Always let the player know it was their action and it certainly avoids your liz lieu moments where the player is unaware the action is on them. 'Oh sorry I didn't realise it was on me', after a number of minutes of nothing, yawn, well get your head out your iPad, phone, paper, copy of tendler's mental approach of poker or Herbies abc of tournament poker.

Also not a fan of blanket applying this to all your tournaments - the current system may not be perfect but it's the best there is.

I think you may have some success advertising some tournaments as 'time-bank' tournaments, or something like that.

Horrible idea for all the reasons said before me.

Punish the perpetrators not the masses.

Why do players get a minute to make a decision when the clock is called?

They've already had a lengthy period of thought before the clock was called and then possibly another minute waiting for the TD why do they still need another 60 seconds?

Not a fan of the idea originally proposed here

Maybe that's the solution, having the dealers call the clock a lot more frequently and after less time.  Suppose the dealer could have a large digital stopclock on the table and do the 'clock' themselves so no need to call the floor over each time, or is this a bad idea?

As an aside, maybe giving people 5 seconds to reveal their cards at showdown might be a good idea. If they don't reveal both cards in the 5 seconds, they forfeit the hand ;)

Player A raises then player B behind tanks for 2 mins before 3 betting ... rest of the table all pass but not before thinking a short while. Eventually back to player A who only now decides to start thinking and thinking ... and thinking .... then passes. Y dont they do their thinking whilst the players in front of them are doing their thinking? Perhaps just ban all player A's or bring back stoning, should speed up the game considerably.

I really don't like this idea! (On every tourney)

However I would like the idea of one a week tourney super turbo ....... 5seconds to act !

Another great idea from dtd, this will improve the game for sure imo  ;applause;

I don't like the idea. If certain players are taking too long you can always call the clock.

What a terrible proposal. None of these times are sufficient particularly in deep stack tournaments and having to make a big decision and replay the action over multiple streets.  One of the best things about live poker is the luxury it affords thinking players. If players continue to take too much time, the the clock can be called, so if its not broke stop trying to fix it, or we might as well stay at home and play online. I expect this will alienate older players who don't think as quickly as younger ones.

Thanks for the feedback. Let me make one point clear, this is not a DTD idea, I am collecting opinion as a direct result of DTD players suggesting it to me, not just the odd player, time and time again I have been asked by players at DTD to implement some sort of ruling on what time a player should have to make a decision, players can also feel uncomfortable calling the clock on a fellow player. At the bottom of my original post I did say that nothing was cast in stone. Good to hear a cross section of opinions, thanks Aces

My view is that there is no need to speed up 95% of players.

It is not the 95% of players that take a minute once an hour that are a problem. It is the other 5% that take take 30 seconds every hand. Generally this is because they are so engrossed in their iPad, mobile phone or whats coming out of their headphones that they don't even look at their cards until it is their turn. Even then they often have to be nudged.

I don't see that punishing the 95% is particularly fair or even useful. Why should the guys who take less than five seconds every hand be given less time for the one hand per hour when they need a minute. At 25 hands per hour (estimate), the guy who takes 30 seconds every hand uses 12 & a half minutes while the guy that uses only two minutes per hour is denied one minute when he really needs it.

If there was a fairer way where each player had an individual clock with a total allotted time for the whole tournament, or per day, or per session or per level as in chess then fair enough but I think this would be difficult to administer.

I like the fact that DTD are looking at ways to improve the game but feel this is very much a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

One of the key attractions of poker is the human element - the social interaction, mind games during hands and usually 'fun' atmosphere. A timebank as described would clearly affect the social aspect of live poker, making the game more of a robotic process and, I reckon, less fun.

It would be great for the pros ingame, but would potentially make the game more intimidating for newbies, thus hurting the pros in the long run.
Training dealers to use a common sense approach seems much more logical to me.

A great idea if your remit was to kill live poker.

Just employ dealers who are strong enough to have a word with the time wasters. This is all that is needed.

If I was under the pressure of a shot clock in a live tournament I would go home and vow to never play again. I might as well be playing online.

With respect, consulting people on here and FB is what I have done. So far, it looks like an overwhelming no no.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, much appreciated. We won't be implementing a Decision Time or Time Bank in the near future after reading the comments on here and on my FB. I can see that players are not in favour of this and it needs a lot more thought, I like the idea of working harder on dealer training and guidlines on players that consistantly take too much time, and I also like the idea of having specific timebank tournies. Food for thought, Cheers Aces

@jjandellis, What Simon has done here and with the vast majority of DTD's ideas is the very definition of market research!

I have to say I am pretty surprised by the overwhelmingly negative reaction to this idea, to me it absolutely seems like something worth trying in some format because I feel like the current standard approach leads to a ton of time being needlessly wasted (especially on preflop decisions) and after all we should all want as many hands per hour as is possible, although clearly I am in the minority on this issue.

Im pretty sure everyone loves the idea of utopia where nobody wastes time, I think, and much of the discussion itt proves, that it is very difficult to implement a system which works

Definitely agree that there is no utopian solution to this issue, I think where I differ from lots of people posting ITT is I am much more negative about the status quo and therefore would rather see experimentation with various approaches to try to speed up play and if they don't improve the situation then we still have the present way of doing things to return to, I guess I just think it's worth trying something different

Maybe the players should be much quicker at calling the clock in general.

But I'm not sure this is the problem. People aren't tanking for clock worthy lengths of time with nothing, I think it's more the unnecessary minute here and there that pisses people off (on say the flop) where it's clear villain is folding and they are trying to save face/balance, or whatever it is these clowns think they are doing

As predominantly a live player, I'm not really used to being under a clock for decisions. I'm not a tanker, but when I'm in a truly tough spot, I do want to be able to think about it without the added pressure of a time bank. I've very very rarely actually seen a clock called on someone at dtd. If people have a problem with tanking, perhaps they should be more inclined to use their option to call the clock on a player. Perhaps advertising that a player can call the clock on another player after a shorter amount of time would be a better solution? Obviously it's then down to the players discretion and may cause some friction, but i would hope that people for the most part would be sensible about this.

Also don't like the idea of applying this to all tournaments, perhaps (as Alex said) going for a single tournament a week with this is an advertised feature is a better shout. Live poker is a social event, we don't want to spend the whole time concentrating hard and being put under the pressure of a clock every hand. Sometimes it takes 15 seconds to count the size of the pot! I think this will heavily damage the enjoyment of most of the recreational players. From those who aren't recs point of view, we damage our own hourly by tanking, so it's actually a detriment to us and we are being punished for it every day we play. 

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Not sure I agree rexas, I think calling the clock should always be a last resort and stay that way

People should rather be educated that wasting time on non decisions does nothing (especially with regards to giving away info), or save embarrassment which I assume is their reasoning

I too think its a good idea to stop pointless time wasters. I am now in the habit of calling clocks if I feel from the way the hand has played out that the person is just wasting time. (Example; 3 players in a hand 1 all in two to act: player 2 takes 7 minutes to fold, player 3 having had 7 minutes then decides he needs a further five before he folds.  Very hard to realistically implement tho.

Defo like the idea of specific timebank tournies. 30 secs is plenty.

Recreational players will be put off in my opinion. These guys will probably play 15 minute clock comps down their local or in leagues etc and then to come to DTD and be told they have X amount of time to make a choice would be off putting. Would love to see specialist line of TURBO comps where this format can be applied to specific comps. That way people can try it and if they enjoy it have the choice to continue to play more.

I love the idea.

But for me it should be for when they first open the action and only this. I.E - far too many live players sitting there for 30-45 seconds deciding whether to open or not. Or whether to call someone's bet, surely if u look down at 74 off suit u don't need a decision? These sorts of players think they are on TV and need to take the EXACT amount of time for EVERY decision wtf?

I think if you are generally considering a call for your tournament life then you should get some leeway.

Agree with others about tweaking it in places, but should defiantly put it into place to punish the wannabe actors of the poker world.

Really pleased that after seeking views and taking on board feedback Simon has decided not to go ahed with this. Exactly what people should do when thinking up new ideas.

I think it's a sensible decision not to implement for all tourneys, but I would definitely be up for an occasional time bank turbo event.

Like this idea to a certain extent, needs tweaking in a few ways, the main being the amount of time.

I believe 15 seconds to be no where near enough time. i think if you done it with 60/90/120 for buyins of 150/300/1000 would sound about right.

Hope we can make it work

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Good example of using the forum (and facebook) as a feedback mechanism working very well

As players can we not do something about other players slow playing? My issue is with

- Players not paying attention so either they arent putting in blinds/antes when they should or they dont know when its their turn.
- Players dwelling with simple decisions for a bit of "tv time"

A friendly word at the table, a bit of banter if you like, can normally encourage them to pay a bit more attention or to be a bit quicker. If it becomes more of a problem then the dealers can get involved. Do the players slowing things down actually realise they are doing it?

There is always someone slowing down play not putting their antes in, my solution is that the last person to put their ante in pays double, though if everyone gets theirs in within 10 seconds there is no penalty.

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