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Title: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Longy on August 05, 2013, 12:36:21 PM
Not sure how well this guy is known on the uk circuit but this looks pretty bad.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/computer-hacked-pokerstars-refund-joshua-tyler-1359054/


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: tikay on August 05, 2013, 12:48:15 PM

Yikes.

Loved that 'Stars apologised because they could not refund the full amount. They only sent him $34,400 out of the total of $34,800......!

I may have missed it, but what was the answer to "how come you were all playing Online in Vegas"?

Were 'Stars aware of that when they refunded him the money? Seems a tad odd.

Some nasty types out there.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: DaveShoelace on August 05, 2013, 12:54:52 PM
Josh Tyler is one of those names I have heard a ton of times being associated with rumours of cheating but nothing concrete - this one seems a bit more substantial.

WCGRider runs bad, or is too trusting, he got scammed by Brad Booth for about $50k too.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Doobs on August 05, 2013, 01:01:39 PM
Josh Tyler has been mentioned on here before...

lol, well if anyone has heard the Josh Tyler story it's actually the other way round, I think Feldman just tried to spread it that way.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=45040.msg1073873#msg1073873 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=45040.msg1073873#msg1073873)


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Dubai on August 05, 2013, 01:10:25 PM
At least he didn't make it obvious he could see his opponents cards. Oh wait..

Never understand how people can be intelligent enough to hack someone's accounts/pcs and then stupid enough to try and shear the sheep 100 times in an hour. Good grief, how doesn't he make bad calls, get it in bad sometimes- could have done him for 6 figures in a month without suspicion


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: outragous76 on August 05, 2013, 01:11:30 PM
At least he didn't make it obvious he could see his opponents cards. Oh wait..

Never understand how people can be intelligent enough to hack someone's accounts/pcs and then stupid enough to try and shear the sheep 100 times in an hour. Good grief, how doesn't he make bad calls, get it in bad sometimes- could have done him for 6 figures in a month without suspicion

and cash out occasionally


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: DaveShoelace on August 05, 2013, 01:14:58 PM
At least he didn't make it obvious he could see his opponents cards. Oh wait..

Never understand how people can be intelligent enough to hack someone's accounts/pcs and then stupid enough to try and shear the sheep 100 times in an hour. Good grief, how doesn't he make bad calls, get it in bad sometimes- could have done him for 6 figures in a month without suspicion

Yep, this.

http://www.freakonomics.com/2007/09/20/how-not-to-cheat/


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: kinboshi on August 05, 2013, 01:52:32 PM
Golden goose, eggs, kill.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: AndrewT on August 05, 2013, 02:03:33 PM
At least he didn't make it obvious he could see his opponents cards. Oh wait..

Never understand how people can be intelligent enough to hack someone's accounts/pcs and then stupid enough to try and shear the sheep 100 times in an hour. Good grief, how doesn't he make bad calls, get it in bad sometimes- could have done him for 6 figures in a month without suspicion

For every clown who gets caught, there are surely a number who are quietly, gently, rinsing other players.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Dubai on August 05, 2013, 02:25:28 PM
I would definitely assume so


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: snoopy1239 on August 05, 2013, 02:34:42 PM
At least he didn't make it obvious he could see his opponents cards. Oh wait..

Never understand how people can be intelligent enough to hack someone's accounts/pcs and then stupid enough to try and shear the sheep 100 times in an hour. Good grief, how doesn't he make bad calls, get it in bad sometimes- could have done him for 6 figures in a month without suspicion

For every clown who gets caught, there are surely a number who are quietly, gently, rinsing other players.

They've been doing me for a decade.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Pyso on August 05, 2013, 03:35:20 PM
At least he didn't make it obvious he could see his opponents cards. Oh wait..

Never understand how people can be intelligent enough to hack someone's accounts/pcs and then stupid enough to try and shear the sheep 100 times in an hour. Good grief, how doesn't he make bad calls, get it in bad sometimes- could have done him for 6 figures in a month without suspicion

For every clown who gets caught, there are surely a number who are quietly, gently, rinsing other players.

Totally agree and the numbers doing the cheating are much larger than anyone could imagine. I imagine.

I just flat out don't trust anyone I can't see and even when I can, I often don't!


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: The Camel on August 05, 2013, 04:05:31 PM
At least he didn't make it obvious he could see his opponents cards. Oh wait..

Never understand how people can be intelligent enough to hack someone's accounts/pcs and then stupid enough to try and shear the sheep 100 times in an hour. Good grief, how doesn't he make bad calls, get it in bad sometimes- could have done him for 6 figures in a month without suspicion

For every clown who gets caught, there are surely a number who are quietly, gently, rinsing other players.

They've been doing me for a decade.

Boom. BoB.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: celtic on August 05, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
Sausage knew.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Junior Senior on August 05, 2013, 10:23:50 PM
He has stayed at my house too


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: sovietsong on August 05, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
he hasnt stayed at my house but i'm sure that somebody must have hacked my account as i lose everytime i play HU cash.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: redarmi on August 06, 2013, 02:43:58 AM
WCG Grinder seems to do some serious back peddling...

Several weekends later, Josh asked if he could spend the weekend at my house on his trip to Vegas.

The rest of my roommates also play online poker for a living. A few days after Joshua left, one of them lost something to the tune of 13 buyins to a 1 tabling fish, playing the same style.

During these losses, we were also undergoing some internet stability issues at my house.

The question...why are you playing pokerstars in Vegas went unanswered for sometime, until it is similarly broached again later by someone else...

WCG eventually replies...

At no point in this story did i play a hand of poker on pokerstars while being in Las Vegas.

BULL$HIT!

Pokerstars should be looking into this guy too IMO

I'm sure the Feds would be interested...

Why on earth do you think that the Feds would be interested in a couple of people playing poker using VPN's?  It pisses me off no end when people get on their high horse about this stuff.  Stars have to follow the rules to not be in breach but why would any individuals want Stars to look into others for playing poker.  The law that stops people playing online poker in the States is an absolute travesty.  Why would any poker player incite a site to look into another for simply playing poker?  It baffles me.....its like grassing up a fellow drinker for having a pint in Saudi Arabia or something.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: railtard1 on August 06, 2013, 03:34:19 AM
WCG Grinder seems to do some serious back peddling...

Several weekends later, Josh asked if he could spend the weekend at my house on his trip to Vegas.

The rest of my roommates also play online poker for a living. A few days after Joshua left, one of them lost something to the tune of 13 buyins to a 1 tabling fish, playing the same style.

During these losses, we were also undergoing some internet stability issues at my house.

The question...why are you playing pokerstars in Vegas went unanswered for sometime, until it is similarly broached again later by someone else...

WCG eventually replies...

At no point in this story did i play a hand of poker on pokerstars while being in Las Vegas.

BULL$HIT!

Pokerstars should be looking into this guy too IMO

I'm sure the Feds would be interested...

FWIW, last year, WCG was at my starting table in wsop main. He arrived slightly late looking somewhat flustered, drinking coffee. The conversation between him and a guy to his left soon got onto the issue of online poker, the DOJ etc etc, and WCG was quite proudly telling the table that he had won $30k that morning vs a "reg fish" playing 50/100 and this was why he was a little late. Someone questioned how he managed that, and he said something along the lines of "well I didn't go to Canada and back". So im sure it doesn't bother him that people know he is playing stars from the US.
@redarmi, I disagree with you somewhat. Although not on the same scale as what this josh guy has allegedly done, IF WCG is playing from the US then he is in clear violation of the sites policies and im sure he would be banned if stars found out. Our feelings about the law on online poker in the US are irrelevant imo.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: dreenie on August 06, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
Sighhhhhhhh


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Ant040689 on August 06, 2013, 06:02:53 AM
Only read the op of that thread but I can assume he had been withdrawing a ton to have only left 35k in his account? Wonder what that predicted amount is?

Also was it the same account used to abuse other players? If so why is it that thus guy gets all the funds only? Seems like he is being rewarded for being inquisitive.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Boba Fett on August 06, 2013, 06:12:33 AM
Stars are pretty good at detecting people playing from USA


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: corkeye on August 06, 2013, 07:27:37 AM
I he that goofy lad that was on tv around 2009 with a shark and protector?


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: DaveShoelace on August 06, 2013, 08:11:49 AM
While I'm not entirely against US players playing on VPNs in the states (I'm not for either, just indifferent) - it would be funny if the outcome of the naming and shaming thread on 2+2 resulted in the OP getting banned for using a VPN.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: The Camel on August 06, 2013, 08:13:41 AM
Is WCRider the geezer who played the WSOP Women's tournament?


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: railtard1 on August 06, 2013, 12:38:48 PM
Is WCRider the geezer who played the WSOP Women's tournament?

Yh


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Rupert on August 06, 2013, 01:14:07 PM
Stars are pretty good at detecting people playing from USA

Nah people are pretty good at hiding it now, loads of regs are playing from there


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: bergeroo on August 06, 2013, 01:45:09 PM

FWIW, last year, WCG was at my starting table in wsop main. He arrived slightly late looking somewhat flustered, drinking coffee. The conversation between him and a guy to his left soon got onto the issue of online poker, the DOJ etc etc, and WCG was quite proudly telling the table that he had won $30k that morning vs a "reg fish" playing 50/100 and this was why he was a little late. Someone questioned how he managed that, and he said something along the lines of "well I didn't go to Canada and back". So im sure it doesn't bother him that people know he is playing stars from the US.
@redarmi, I disagree with you somewhat. Although not on the same scale as what this josh guy has allegedly done, IF WCG is playing from the US then he is in clear violation of the sites policies and im sure he would be banned if stars found out. Our feelings about the law on online poker in the US are irrelevant imo.

Sounds like you have strong opinions about this and about integrity in the game. Where do you stand on the issue of multi accounting by playing on someone elses Stars account. Should people be banned for this too?


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: railtard1 on August 06, 2013, 01:58:34 PM

FWIW, last year, WCG was at my starting table in wsop main. He arrived slightly late looking somewhat flustered, drinking coffee. The conversation between him and a guy to his left soon got onto the issue of online poker, the DOJ etc etc, and WCG was quite proudly telling the table that he had won $30k that morning vs a "reg fish" playing 50/100 and this was why he was a little late. Someone questioned how he managed that, and he said something along the lines of "well I didn't go to Canada and back". So im sure it doesn't bother him that people know he is playing stars from the US.
@redarmi, I disagree with you somewhat. Although not on the same scale as what this josh guy has allegedly done, IF WCG is playing from the US then he is in clear violation of the sites policies and im sure he would be banned if stars found out. Our feelings about the law on online poker in the US are irrelevant imo.

Sounds like you have strong opinions about this and about integrity in the game. Where do you stand on the issue of multi accounting by playing on someone elses Stars account. Should people be banned for this too?

Ah yh nice comment I see what u did there, cos im currently banned on stars right, (although not in ANYWAY because of multi accounting).
And Id hardly say I had strong opinions lol, was just a brief encounter with the victim.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: railtard1 on August 08, 2013, 03:41:47 AM
ha, not gona bite ;-)

this was kinda interesting http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/unconfirmed-claim-russian-forum-pokerstars-superusers-pre-determined-tournament-winners-1359150/


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: MC on August 08, 2013, 04:19:34 PM
ha, not gona bite ;-)

this was kinda interesting http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/unconfirmed-claim-russian-forum-pokerstars-superusers-pre-determined-tournament-winners-1359150/

Got to page 10, got bored...cliffs on p10 - 22?? Anything happen or just more of the usual 2p2 dumb cr@p?

My 2+2 --> Edit options -- > Show 100 posts per page

(http://t.qkme.me/3p5pjs.jpg)


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 09, 2013, 02:07:52 PM
BTW whereas it's pretty likely that WGC has played on stars from the US, there is nothing in that thread which suggest's that is what he was doing... He never mentions himself playing poker in Vegas from his house, in fact he actually specifically says that he wasn't playing, and he went all the way to Japan, specifically to play online poker...

His room-mates in Vegas obv were playing poker from the states, but there is nothing to say they were playing on stars, they could have been playing on Carbon/Lock which would have been legit, or Ongame/Ipoker/Party in whichc case it would still be against the rules but way way less strictly enforced.

I think everyone is looking for a which hunt out of thin air here, chances are he has done it, but no evidence of that here as far as i can see, and tbh there are much greater crimes out there, he's hurting no-one but himself really by doing this, certainly gaining no real advantage over anyone else.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: AlexMartin on August 09, 2013, 02:28:32 PM
who gives a shit if he's playing on a vpn, literally nothing wrong with it imo. not even in same ballpark of whats being accused. dont think there is anything wrong with, who is the victim? (dont give me some long-winded breakdown of how we are all the victim or some such bs, the original ban was more out of line than anything else).


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: I KNOW IT on August 09, 2013, 11:47:14 PM
I currently live in China and because of the great firewall of China, I'm unable to access Facebook , Youtube and many other similar sites.
 Im contemplating ;) getting a VPN to access these sites so does that make me as guilty as US players playing on PS?


For those people witch hunting US players players playing on PS, my advice is get a life, Far more things to be concerned about nowadays.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: kinboshi on August 10, 2013, 09:13:44 AM
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to play online poker for money in Japan as well.

(not that it matters, just saying)


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: doubleup on August 10, 2013, 04:06:41 PM
who gives a shit if he's playing on a vpn, literally nothing wrong with it imo. not even in same ballpark of whats being accused. dont think there is anything wrong with, who is the victim? (dont give me some long-winded breakdown of how we are all the victim or some such bs, the original ban was more out of line than anything else).

My only objection to it is that the foes of online poker in the usa will use it against Pstars when they or anyone else want to bring poker back to the usa.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: mike27 on August 20, 2013, 06:01:55 PM
Joshua has now issued a reply stating his innocence for those not following the thread  ;popcorn;


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: gouty on August 20, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
Joshua has now issued a reply stating his innocence for those not following the thread  ;popcorn;
What a reply it is too. I can see his point though. Anyone with a brain would not be calling bluffs with jack high if they could see hole cards. Whole thing is uber dumb.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Boba Fett on August 20, 2013, 08:53:05 PM
I think the whole thing is a stereotypical response from a liar/cheater


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: gouty on August 20, 2013, 11:44:34 PM
I think the whole thing is a stereotypical response from a liar/cheater
Yes. There is that too. Like saying he is only making one post and drawing a line under it is lame.

What story though. This is the last thing anyone would of wanted as far as getting U.S. players back in the pool goes. Stars must be gutted especially as they have refunded and basically admitted someone has cheated. I know their software has not been hacked as its a hardware issue but what a wheeze.

The only fault was the incredible stupidity of calling a bluff with jack high. That is like that folklore hand where Stu Unger puts that guy on exactly 5 high! They could of absolutely cleaned up slowly. This will be made into a film. You heard it here first.

Jack high  would be a good name fot it too.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: cambridgealex on August 20, 2013, 11:54:47 PM
Link to his reply?


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: mike27 on August 21, 2013, 12:20:54 AM
Link to his reply?

Same link as op,page 10


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Honeybadger on August 22, 2013, 10:07:40 PM
I played with Tyler five or six years ago in a No Limit cash game in Blackpool during a festival. He was one of the most arrogant, obnoxious and classless people I have ever played poker with. And I have shared a table with some real horrors in my time.

One funny thing happened. A friend of mine joined the table and as he was exchanging his cash for chips Tyler asked him, "how much is that you are sitting with?"

My friend replied, "not sure exactly, about two grand I think, maybe a bit more."

Tyler instantly challenged him, "you wanna flip for it?" You know, like he was the big man.

My friend replied, "errr... not especially. But okay, if you want to then I guess so."

Tyler was forced to immediately backtrack, "oh, err, well... I'm doing well tonight so I don't want to. But I definitely would if I was losing."

Classy guy.


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: redarmi on August 22, 2013, 10:16:05 PM
I played with Tyler five or six years ago in a No Limit cash game in Blackpool during a festival. He was one of the most arrogant, obnoxious and classless people I have ever played poker with. And I have shared a table with some real horrors in my time.

One funny thing happened. A friend of mine joined the table and as he was exchanging his cash for chips Tyler asked him, "how much is that you are sitting with?"

My friend replied, "not sure exactly, about two grand I think, maybe a bit more."

Tyler instantly challenged him, "you wanna flip for it?" You know, like he was the big man.

My friend replied, "errr... not especially. But okay, if you want to then I guess so."

Tyler was forced to immediately backtrack, "oh, err, well... I'm doing well tonight so I don't want to. But I definitely would if I was losing."

Classy guy.

I had a very similar experience with him playing live cash at the Aussie Millions a few years ago.  He left a bad enough taste for me to go back to my apartment and google him to find out who he was.  He also stacked me a couple of times....maybe he knew my hole cards!!!


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: the sicilian on August 22, 2013, 11:25:30 PM
An interesting story.... As the MD of a small IT firm I can confirm that the technology is available to do this and  that given five minutes alone with a computer I could install software that would enable me to see and record everything from the screen and what the pc is being used for live and historic... The user would be unaware and the software is undectable by anti virus and spyware program's etc.... Only a complete format and reinstall would get rid of it...

We use it for forensic investigations requested by clients when workers are suspected of wrong doing... Can also remotely install with certain end user credentials... No hacking skills would be required....

There is commercial stuff available but we use a bespoke program not widely available...
And no you can't have it lol....


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Marky147 on August 23, 2013, 12:16:44 AM
An interesting story.... As the MD of a small IT firm I can confirm that the technology is available to do this and  that given five minutes alone with a computer I could install software that would enable me to see and record everything from the screen and what the pc is being used for live and historic... The user would be unaware and the software is undectable by anti virus and spyware program's etc.... Only a complete format and reinstall would get rid of it...

We use it for forensic investigations requested by clients when workers are suspected of wrong doing... Can also remotely install with certain end user credentials... No hacking skills would be required....

There is commercial stuff available but we use a bespoke program not widely available...
And no you can't have it lol....

The thread on 2p2 could do with livening up, go and post that over there m8 :)


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: the sicilian on August 23, 2013, 09:13:21 AM
An interesting story.... As the MD of a small IT firm I can confirm that the technology is available to do this and  that given five minutes alone with a computer I could install software that would enable me to see and record everything from the screen and what the pc is being used for live and historic... The user would be unaware and the software is undectable by anti virus and spyware program's etc.... Only a complete format and reinstall would get rid of it...

We use it for forensic investigations requested by clients when workers are suspected of w rong doing... Can also remotely install with certain end user credentials... No hacking skills would be required....

There is commercial stuff available but we use a bespoke program not widely available...
And no you can't have it lol....

The thread on 2p2 could do with livening up, go and post that over there m8 :)

Lol bad man!


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: Ironside on September 21, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
Guess who ever is involved found poker players a little easier target than the banks


Title: Re: Joshua Tyler hacking scandal
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 22, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
Joshua has now issued a reply stating his innocence for those not following the thread  ;popcorn;
What a reply it is too. I can see his point though. Anyone with a brain would not be calling bluffs with jack high if they could see hole cards. Whole thing is uber dumb.

UB superuser was calling with seven high.