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These begin on Sunday

All the details are at  http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php

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To play, players need to sign up to the Online Club, and accept the terms

You will notice that the terms are slightly different than a normal online cash game

* Dusk Till Dawn will launch Online Club Cash Games on 1st September 2013, an online extension of our live Club cash game area, under the same management, rules and regulations as our live Club. Online Club Cash Games are targeted at Dusk Till Dawn's members who want their online cash game experience to be as close as possible to Dusk Till Dawn's live cash game experience.

* Simon Trumper, Dusk Till Dawn Club Director, is ultimately responsible for decisions in the Online Cash Game Room

Player Collusion
Should any player be found to have been in communication with another player at the same table, their online account will be locked and live Club membership suspended indefinitely

Player Behaviour
Should any player's behaviour at these tables be deemed unacceptable by Dusk Till Dawn management, their online account will be locked and live Club membership suspended indefinitely

* Should any player be detected to be using Online Poker Tracking software of any make, type or description, their online account will be locked and live Club membership suspended indefinitely

* Games up to £5-5 NLHE and PLO, Max two tables per player

* Players can exchange their DTD points earned from Online Club Cash Games into Sponsorship £££'s to play Live DTD events and DTD Tour events. The player will be sponsored by Dusk Till Dawn. We will also run exclusive promotions for DTD Online Club Cash Game players to earn additional Sponsorship £££'s.

All comments and feedback to DTD Welcome on here

This is probably a simple question but im going to ask anyway

My understanding of the I poker client is that it auto saves HH's to computer being used. Therefore can data not just be captured and reviewed afterwards (offline in tracking software)? then stats pulled up for the next time you play?

Am I missing something?

What steps are DTD/Ipoker taking to make sure players arent using online tracking software?

If its to replicate last Saturday night will it indicate which players are pi***d as a fart and who at the table is sleeping? :)

Rob's latest blog has some hard hitting thoughts on the Online Poker landscape, and what the industry can do for the recreational player. These thoughts touch on the introduction of the DTD Online club cash games

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/blog.php?profile=4&id=438

Again, all thoughts welcome.

It may be simple and I don't know if would work but...

Surely if these tracking programs that pull up stats on your opponents work on usernames is it not time a poker site was the first to introduce the ability to change your username as often as you wish - it can't be that hard to introduce and then the vast information won't be able to be collected???




Or do the big sites not want to do anything about it as their sponsored players use it?
Pretty much like the speed camera of today - we all drop down to 40 coming off the M1 to DTD where the average speed cameras are cos we know you will get done -so they work, so why are they not in place on motorways every mile...

I don't want to get into a long debate about this because frankly I can't be bothered, but I just want to say that I 100% support the steps Rob and the club are taking to make the game a more accessible environment for recreational players. Bum hunting (to the degree in which it is being executed) and the other etiquette violations which have been commonly accepted by online pros are completely reprehensible in my view, and are contributing to the decay of online poker.

There will be many online pros who share this short-sighted view because it makes their lives more difficult, to the extent that they may have to work a hell of a lot harder on their games to even make a profit, but what they don't realise is that if they continue acting like they do online, forcing the fish out of the game then they will eventually compromise the longevity of the game that we all love (and some of us make a living from). It's up to us as a community of professionals and recreational enthusiasts alike to at least TRY and change this.

I will play these club games as I believe that they are a valiant (if not futile) attempt to try and make online poker a friendlier, less daunting place to play.

What about people living in the same house playing the same games?

I am not trying to upset anyone with this point, just saying the first thing that pops into my head when I heard this idea.

I posted the same thing on the Blonde Poker Facebook page link, so for anyone without Facebook:

I completely agree with 1, 2, 3 and 8.

4 - Only thing I completely disagree with that Rob posted is Sharkscope. Anyone can opt out so what's the problem? A far better solution would be for all sites on Sharkscope to make it clear that they're on Sharkscope, and allow people to opt out.

I use PT4 myself, and will continue to do so as long as sites allow, but I'm 50/50 on whether HUDs and tracking software should be allowed. The way that recreational players perceive Poker software is definitely a concern, even though the advantage of having PT4, in my experience, is far less than 99.9% of recreational players assume (Or maybe I'm just a PT4 fish, lol)

5 - Would never work, as how would you stop anyone playing 4 tables on 'Stars, 4 tables on 888, and 4 tables on DTD at the same time?

6 - "How many live cash game tables do you (see) in live cardrooms in the world, that are 6 handed or less?" - The live Poker 6-max argument doesn't take into account that you'd have to pay more dealers than 9-10 handed, and you'd have to fit more tables in which would reduce the capacity of a live venue significantly. Online doesn't have these problems.

7 - Unsure on this one. My initial thought was that deep tables already exist on most sites, and people still prefer to sit on regular 100bb tables instead. I assume the idea here is that the standard cash table on all sites should be 50-200bb? You could also argue that encouraging fish to sit with 200bb instead of 100bb just means they're going to lose their money twice as fast.

A very interesting blog post from Rob, some good points. I play in the environment he's talked about every day and the comments I'd make would be;

1) Tracking software - completely agree. The tracking sites like pokertableratings/highstakesdb/sharkscope etc are literally pure cancer for the game, all they do is massage the ego's of the winners and humiliate the losers, harsh reality of gambling - some people win and some people lose, if you wanna publisise your results fair enough but having people who you don't know public access to your results should be your decision. And data-mining (where sites collect hand histories and sell them to other players) is criminal, the fact players with the knowledge to use this information have access to it for pretty cheap - is just awful.

I can prolly learn to live with HEM/PokerTracker, I use it myself, but more so because everyone else has it and i'd be behind the times without it, I dont personally have the nkow-how to properly use the stats, but you HAVE to collect the data yourself, being able to buy the data for $50 is just so unfair on the recreational players.

As far as poker bots go it's 100% the sites responisiblity to crack down. Straight up cheating

2) Etiquette and behavior. The grimy and short-sighted behavior of online cash game regs jamie refers too is actually a battle between regs that the recreational players get caught up in, sneaky, underhand moves are being used day in day out and they are so subtle that they are destroying the games without people noticing, what is worse about it is that "good regs" who play in a manner that is beneifical to the games health get directly attacked by the guys who do these things;

i) Buttoning (where you play additional button in a short-handed game) - you might not think this is a big deal but it's actually massive, firstly in terms of a straight up £ considerations its well known that 3handed or HU you have significantly more equity on the BTN than you do in the BB or SB, I read somewhere you gain 0.4bb in equity by doing this 3handed and slightly less HU, if thats $5/$10 and they do it 5 times a day, 20 days a month, 10 months a year that will equate to $4,000 in a yr (4 buyins) that is straight theft from other regs who don't do this. But the knock on effect of this is that now everyone is so raged at being buttoned all the time, now everyone is buttoning everyone is a bid to scrape the equity back. This leads to games breaking earlier, people snap sitting out when recreational players leaving leading them to feel a little cheated. There is even a flaw on PStars where one seat in 6max tables gte's you the btn every time players sit at empty 6max tables wait till it's 3handed and then play BTN/SB/BB/BTN and gain huge amounts. This means less games start and more empty tables with people trying this tactic, making it way less appealing for new players.

ii) Bumhunting - TBH, I don't have a lot of issue with it, game selecting is what it is, I personally like to start games and am happy to play anyone and if someone sits me HU I always play because I think that's how it should be done, I don't sit goodplayers HU and prolly wouldn't join a tough 5handed 6max game, this is all fine and good but when it goes beyond this it becomes a huge problem.
              
                       a) sitting out as soon as a recreational player is busted/sits out. This really is the worst thing ever, lets not cover it up, big games online run around bad players, and when they leave the game will break. But lets show some respect, play a courtesy orbit after he quits, don't sit out when he's busted waiting for him to re-load, or when they sit out, just play, if you want this guys action then give him a game to play in - it's no wonder that people feel cheated/colluded against.
                      b) Table blocking - this is another horrific stroke players pull, it happens very often that there is 4 or 5 handed games running with tough lineups, often another regular won't sit in a tough 5handed game if there is enough other tables running, however the hope for the regs in that 5handed game is that a weaker player will sit down - some regs take it upon themselves if they are in another 4 or 5 handed game to sit in the other game in the 6th seat, but sit out - blocking the table and meaning that if any weaker player were to come along he'd be forced into the game he was in. This means games are always breaking.

3) Colluding + cheating - This surely does go on, but a LOT less than you think, I think people feel like they have been cheated as a result of the severe bumhunting that goes on, cut this out and i think people will think way less goes on. If you think anyone is colluding.cheating the you MUST report it.

4) Multi-Tabling - this one i actually disagree with Rob slightly, I don't think multi-tabling damages the recreational player pool at all, in fact I think it helps it. More regs playing more tables = MORE GAMES to play in, and better games, its obviously true that someone playing 4 tables it going to be tougher to play against than someone playing 14, if you ban the tracking software then it will make 10-16 tables very very difficult and will level the field nicely. If we reduce the amount of tables you can play to 4, it will mean more multi-siting, more games will break because people will be more focused on game-selecting, less people will be able to start games and battling over the recreational action will get even more heated.

5) Min-Max buyins. Agree short-stacking is bad for the game in general, I'd like to see sites implement more buying ranges, 75bb min tables, 100-250bb tables, tables with 200-300bb buyins like on ipoker. As for the short stackers star made all games 50bb min buyins and the short tables are 20-50bb so they cater for the short stackers and the guys who like to play deeper, good solution imo.

The reason that the situation doesn't improve is because there in no incentive to improve it from the players. If you start to behave in the "correct manner" you just put more money into the pockets of those who dont, I personally continue to try behave correctly and there are other regs in my games who do the same. Hopefully more will move to this way of thinking and we will slowly start to build a better online atmosphere, but i think the only way it will be improved is if the SITES themselves take on "ethical T&C's" where they can ban/suspend regular players whose behavior damage the games, that's the only way imo that people will be disuaded from behaving like this. Pokerstars/FTP recently banned a VERY well known high stakes/nosebleed players accounts (Jama-Dharma) on account of his behavior with the buttoning issue, this is a REALLY good step. Get rid of the worst culprits and encourage those who are "bad" to shape up.

I will support Rob's online games and feel confident because of the smaller community that people will behave properly, good idea Rob, and good work making that blog post - it carries a lot of wieght coming from someone in your position and your comments on the issue can only be positive.

The bans dont work though. People just multiaccount. VPNs and the like allow people to get away with whatever they want. Jared can have new accounts with new locations set up everyday.

I think the changes Rob states would be good for the game. I also think they will never happen. But the DTD live online cash games sound like a lot of fun. How is the tracking software stopped? I wouldn't want to have any tables up from another site where I am using a HUD to affect the usage of these games. A lot of the issues stated are prevented by tournament poker. I think this is the route closer to what Stars will end up going down.

Any answer to this?  Its not that Im considering playing them Im just interested to know what kind of access the DTD/Ipoker software gives to my system that would allow them to actually see that Im using tracking software.

great out the box thinking again by dtd, hope this is a success

I will support this.

I think with RE: tracking software like poker tracker/Holdem manager and banning. There needs to be some system in place with warning as your logging in. I'd hate to accidently have my HEM in the background, log in and play and then find I had a life-time ban from the club!

Bans are more effective than you think, also I'd like a "yellow card" system, where people aren't banned they are suspended a few times first for "unethical behavior" a 1week, 15day then 5week ban or something followed by lifetime could work. Just to dissuade everyone from doing this stuff and if hardly anyone does it then it will be less incentive for other people to do so.

Using Harrington as an example is a bit extreme because he's so fkn good at MA'ing, and even then he gets about 2-3weeks per account these days.

Whats this say Dave ... "masking " ?

Im Surprised Bleznick hasnt been banned by Stars or FT....I suppose they 100 % need to prove it first.

"MA'ing" = Multi-Accounting.

durrr ofc  cheers...


A kind of masking occurs of course... I assume he has to use different IP address^s for this to work ?

As a complete recreational fish, reading these posts regarding what goes on at the cash tables is enough to put me off for life.

What sort of levels are we talking about here?  Surely not the 50/1 level.

My perception is that the underhand tactics are widespread.  What sort of message is this sending out to people who just want to have a quick game and maybe win a little?

We don't stand a chance.

Will certainly give the DTD games a blast.

Bump.

Its a serious point would anyone feel happy playing 5 others who were all in same room?

There are several people we "know" are MAing and they seem absolutely fine. Harrington is managing it in a small player pool imagine at 200nl. Virtual impunity.

ive friends or people i know who multiaccount at 400nl it probably happens at every stake to some degree

every time you dont allow localised hand histories you get cheating. this has happened time and time again on the internet. Im all for robs ideas in principle but to eradicate huds (fine by me) you need to remove hh's, which leads to temptation and cheating. Would need a huge anti-fraud/cheat/bot/collusion team to police, ESPECIALLY with omaha and very deep holdem.

Have any games ran yet?

Like the idea just can't see them running at all

Hi - I received this mail from Phil Galfond tonight


Hi Simon!

Thank Rob for his kind words. I completely agree with the first 3 chapters, however on the other points;

4. Poker sites have tried for many years to ban tracking softwares in the early 2000`s, but it was so much work to do against smart software wizards that they ultimately decided to allow it (hard truth)

5.I completely disagree with this, and I dont think that if someone is able to 16-table gives him an extra edge. I even think that an amateur who is 1-tabling has some more chances to outplay a multitabling pro because he is more attentive to the dynamics, when othwerwise maybe he would have been owned. I have more reasons against Rob, but I guess this is enough to make my point.

6. Disagree. If someone is not good at 6max then they should learn, or don`t play. It is just as simple.

7.I partially agree. I think that every respected site should start what I like to call "separating tables". They shoul have shallow tables where the buy-in is 30bb, and standard tables where the buy-in is 100bb.

8.I am happy that Rob shares the same feelings about "pros" who just don`t understand where their money come from. Unofurtunately I don`t think we will see to early a change about this.

I don`t mind if you post this to add to any discussion you guys are having. If you are going to, I could go into more detail on each point a little more, but that`s ok.

Good luck man.

Phil

Hello everyone

These new tables do not go live till Sunday and players cannot sit down at a table unless they have signed up here beforehand http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games-sign-up.php

There is no need to get into specifics 'what if this happens, what about this scenario, how about this and that etc etc', we could do the same with the live club about dress code and be here all day debating what sports trainers 'really are' and when the 'exact date' of Summer comes to allow shorts. These rules for the Online Club Cash Games are absolutely crystal clear to me and it is my job to manage different circumstances as they arise, exactly like I have to do in live club, further more, players are not going to accidentally sit at these tables and accidentally break the rules because;

The rules are detailed line by line on the Online Club Cash Games information page http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php. You must then sign up BEFORE you can play. The sign up page http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php asks you to tick each of the 3 rules individually, then you are asked to tick that you understand the potential consequences of breaking them, then you are asked a further 2 times if you are sure you would like play under these rules. When you first sit at the table, the dealer reminds you again of the rules in the chat.

I suggest, after going through this process, that if you suddenly forget these rules or think of a situation that makes you now unable to abide by them - just don't play! We will manage this online room along the same lines as the live club, which is by the rules but also always in the interests of fairness. We only expect a few tables, maybe some nights we might not even get a game, that makes the job much easier for us to manage these tables as if they were live in the club, every single player has already been through our doors, we have verified ID and contact details. This is very different to a normal management/online customer relationship. When I have issues with a player in the live club, as people on here have witnessed, I don't hesitate to email/call or pull them aside face to face, I will be using the same methods with players at these online tables. I expect this to be a nice place to play online cash games,  it will take time to build because it is  'Club Members Only' and 'Sign Up Only'. If you look in the lobby, games are as low as £0.05p - £0.10p, with a £2.50 to £10.00 buy-in, I wanted to include these smaller stakes so that our live tourney players at the club could learn cash games at a lower cost and also learn PLO. The lowest stakes we do at DTD is £0.50p-£1.00p, so this online club cash games will also serve as a potentially learning area.

You can help us out by signing up today! http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games-sign-up.php

Cheers Simon

I'm pretty sure the Harrington25/Harrington10 accounts have both been banned, but I'm given to understand he has a pretty extensive network of accounts to use/buy and stars/ftp can't just auto ban someone that Galfond/Sauce etc suspect to be him even though those guys will prolly be right a very very high % of the time, takes a bit of time to investigate. I'm sure though, that as soon as the HS guys have a hunch they will tell each other and his MA'ing loses a huge amount of it's benefits instantly.


Is he managing it though? He has to find new accounts every month, will always have a sweat getting his money off and the player pool he is attempting to exploit is the smallest and best players in the world, so they figure out pretty quick - a new account shows up out of no-where at HS/Nosebleed PLO and seems to play quite well is always going to be an auto suspect of a Harrington MA. His style and preferences are well known to the players he is playing so IDK how successful he really is.

at 200NL for example you'll be almost impossible to stop, but the advantages of MA'ing in 200NL in most player pools are pretty slim given how large those pools will be, you will have mush less actual history and understanding of recent history on most regulars and with players coming and going all the time you'll gain very little edge. If the sites took my system of suspending accounts for un-ethical behavior then the MA's would be getting suspended, forcing them to, if they wanted to persist with this behavior, to constantly find new accounts, fund them, avade being caught - hopefully they just realise it isnt worth the time and just cut half the shady bull-shit out.

iPoker, you can change names/accounts whenever you want, so in affect MA'ing is in action all the time. It becomes part of the game, guessing who is who - but you'd be surprised how many regs stay with the same accounts, or who are pretty open about past names because have moved for legit reasons. So you don't really gain as much of an advantage outside of very condensed player pools.


Do they feel like this gives them a benefit that justifies the efforts they are going to? Would you consider these guys "good" players?


Yes, this is sadly how a lot of people will see it, which is a crying shame because in all honesty the VAST majority of regular online players play the game the right way, give action and don't participate in these shady underhanded tactics. However a few (usually the worst players) found a few ways to exploit the system and have profited from it, as these tactics came to more public knowledge more of the guys who would never have stooped to this level start to as a defensive strategy.

It happens at all levels, but I think it's mostly rampant at mid-mid/high (3/6 - 10/20~)

One thing I will say though, is that the shady nonsense that goes on IS NOT aimed to deceive or cheat the recreational players, it's direct victims are the other regulars, the reason it rolls back into the recreational player pool is because, firstly, it looks very shady ( all this moving seats/tables/sitting in and out etc) and secondly the games are not starting and breaking more often, basically the other regs put more focus on not getting grimmed by the few and less focus on providing a good, fun and enjoyable atmosphere for the recreational players - which is a responsibility all regular players have.



Galfond agreeing with me brag - quoted for reference.


Very good point - a high % of cases of collusion/cheating is identified by PLAYERS, who have used the data they have collected to form the evidence. Like Galfond says as well if you do ban the tracking software then it's even more incentive for the technical geniuses to work a way round it because they will have a substantial edge if the majority of the other regs can't use it. Data mining has to go, tracking software here to stay I feel (as much as i'd love otherwise)

Will players real life IDs be open to all who play these tables?

Believe there's a table named after the father.

For that reason (amongst others), I'm in.

We have the opportunity to have a blondepoker table or tables, at the lower levels. We can do cash nights, threads on the forum around the tables, the action, who stacks who and how etc etc

Hopefully people will be interested in those if DTD set one or more up for us?

Let me know please

Here is a screen-shot of the sign up page

You'll see what you are asked to sign up to to play the DTD Online Club cash games

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Do you agree to the rules ?

Do you REALLY agree to the rules ?


Love it  ;D

When I clicked it I was expecting "Are you really really sure?" :)

Are the hand histories for these tables saved? If so how do we prevent HEM from importing? I know the HUD can be disabled but there's no way to differentiate these tables from other DTD cash games when importing, is there?

£2/£2 and £5/£5 NL and PLO right?

Should be a laugh

Hi guys this really has generated some debate.

Here is a selection of articles. All well worth a read.

http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMagazine/Are-You-Contributing-to-the-Death-of-the-Recreational-Player-_120.aspx

http://calvinayre.com/2013/08/30/poker/dusk-till-dawn-launch-online-club-cash-games/

http://www.bluffeurope.com/poker-news/en/DTD-Chief-s-Online-Poker-Plea_13582.aspx

Something to do on a Friday afternoon, while playing some great value satellites at DTD online of course  ;) ;hide;

A quick question re the use of tracking software...

Is it acceptable within the rules to use tracking software to keep a record of your results AFTER you have played? i.e. Players would never have tracking software running whilst playing on the DTD tables, but are allowed to load up PT or HEM and import the HHs after playing. That way players would still be able to have their own results recorded, but would not have a HUD available whilst playing (which I presume is the main issue).

I don't mind either way BTW... I just want to clarify this in advance so it is clear.

Hilarious.

'Honestly I'm not using one, you have my...word' ;whistle;

Some blonde cash games would be good. I remember some of the 5c/10c games we had in the past with $200 pots.  Fairly loose affairs :D

Would be good to have these running during the deepstack megasats.  

Hi Guys

These start tomorrow :)

Just a reminder that you MUST sign up via the Online Club Cash Games sign up page to be eligible to play.

Players who haven't signed up won't be able to access the tables - Remember only club members will be accepted so you can assure we know all these players.

Full details - http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php

To sign up - http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games-sign-up.php (Will need to accept ALL rules) :)

This is going to be great fun guys :)

Cheers Nicola

Any answer to my question above about using tracking software AFTER you have played at the tables?

Also answer to my question about how the use of HUDs can be tracked.  Im honestly not asking to find out if I can pull the wool over anyones eyes and use a HUD, Im more thinking about how much access the Ipoker software allows to my system.  If admin can tell for sure Im running a HUD then I would think they have to have some sort of access to my computer.

I repeat;

There is no need to get into specifics 'what if this happens, what about this scenario, how about this and that etc etc', we could do the same with the live club about dress code and be here all day debating what sports trainers 'really are' and when the 'exact date' of Summer comes to allow shorts. These rules for the Online Club Cash Games are absolutely crystal clear to me and it is my job to manage different circumstances as they arise, exactly like I have to do in live club, further more, players are not going to accidentally sit at these tables and accidentally break the rules because;


This is from the web site

We would not allow a player sit down at a cash game table in our live club and pull out a computer program that records everyone's hole cards and actions, produces thousands of stats to assist them in making decisions on every street and then even does the betting for them. Our doormen would be insta-kicking out any player who had the cheek to overlay this computer program over the whole table and try and use it to win money against our Club Members! Anyone detected using any type or form of Poker Tracking software on these tables will be have their online account closed and be barred for life from Dusk Till Dawn's live Club - just like at the Club!

*To be clear this rule only applies to these specific Dusk Till Dawn Online Club Cash Games Tables

Can I also say to players that currently use tracking software and therefore having questions about it's use - YOU are not the target customers for these club cash game tables, we prefer you to not play on these tables, there are plenty of choices out there. We only want a couple of tables running each night for our recreational club players- that's all this is. I can promise you that ANYONE found using any from of tracking software on these tables will be banned for life from Dusk Till Dawn's Live Club and Online, there is no excuse not to know these rules, just sign up and you will see how clear it is that you have accepted these rules. It is likely we will also name you to our members so that the recreational players know that we are serious about enforcement of the rules.

Please make your decisions whether to play on these tables based on this information. End of.

Cheers Simon

I've seen some very poor imitations of 'live huds' rumoured and talked about...

I've never heard anyone discussing it being illegal or immoral or such.

If I were to turn up and use my phone to help me keep track of the game I'm in, what happened while I was there, remember any little things I thought I picked up on players - I would then get kicked out and banned for life???

Hi

Please check the rules of the live club for guidance with club questions or just speak to me in person.

Cheers Simon

http://www.lildaveslife.com/2013/08/wheres-the-fucking-justice.html

Lil Dave weighs into the debate....

You know how nobody complains about Guy Laliberte's multi accounting....

But you haven't answered the questions itt. If we are using tracking software on another site simultaneously to playing on Dtd or if we use the tracking software to check our results (a lot of people do this and Alex regularly posts graphs made from phone tracking software for his resuts) will this be fine?

I think the questions were (indirectly) answered in this sentence

"Can I also say to players that currently use tracking software and therefore having questions about it's use - YOU are not the target customers for these club cash game tables, we prefer you to not play on these tables, there are plenty of choices out there."

It's ok saying that Richard, but in all honesty I can see some people drooling at the mouth at the prospect of a table full the people you are targeting, that is just how poker players are, and they will do whatever they can to play with weaker players for their own personal ends.

True, but DTD have been unequivocal about this - they'll face a LIFE BAN from the Club if it comes out on top. Surely nobody would be THAT daft? If they do, & they get caught, they'll deserve it.

The lack of an answer about how will they know tells me they have no possible way of knowing Tikay, if they have they should just come out and say it.

I am pretty sure that DTD wouldn't know, but its still a risk you are taking

After Rob's blog article, which got a lot of coverage attention, I think DTD are probably asking a group of poker players (sharks, for want of a better word) to see the bigger picture here and participate accordingly, or not participate at all

A big ask, possibly, but the intent is pretty clear.

I have no idea how they would, or would not, know. But I sure as hell would not risk a Life Ban from DTD for the sake of such a (relatively) short-term gain.

You can see where this will go though. Someone will try it on, it will come out on top, & they'll get banned, named & shamed, as sure as God made little apples. These things always come out on top eventually. Then the martyr campaign will begin. 

regarding rule 2 on the sign up page - does this mean that if I get on a table with Kinboshi online I never have to speak to him live again?

where do I sign up?  ;)

Hats off to Simon and Rob for trying this. If only everyone in the poker community was as innovation and ethical as this.

A bit like comparing the DTD club with most other poker rooms in the country - head and shoulders above the rest. Well Played guys.

Ditto ;)

If only I was that big of a recreational player...

but what if Alex wants to play these games when he is at home, I assume he is allowed. But wants to play on a french site simultaneously with a HUD but has no intention to use a HUD. I assume it would be the same with lild, honeybadger etc etc

also who are they expecting to sit down and start the game heads up, 3 handed etc, its hard to expect a random rec to just sit and wait for the action, theres going to have to be some regulars getting it off the ground unless Rob just sits and gets friends to sit too etc.

So someone like me who would sit in these games and start the action isn't wanted because I will be using a hud on another site? All i wanted is an answer so I can actually pay rake instead of getting banned for accidentally having my hud pop up where its not wanted. I guess il just play around and make sure it doesnt work on DTD tables.

edit: Pads posted this without me knowing. I saw one extra reply and just hit continue.

All this "HUD on another site" sounds like an excuse to me to generate an argument

Are HUDs not guided by instruction? Surely you have to input your username for it to track anything? Surely you have to have HH saved to disk?

Don't allow your HUD to track your name  on DTD an  hey presto!

DTDs intention here is pretty clear

it seems to me DTD want a fair game with no 'outside help' and back to the basics of just enjoying some poker.

It also seems pretty obvious there will be some who can't see this and will feel it's an opportunity to get an edge...hoping they don't get caught.


Surely it's not that hard to just play different tables if you don't want to play by the rules.

lili dave - Read this.... U just 'get it'*

http://www.lildaveslife.com/2013/08/wheres-the-fucking-justice.html

* and way more that u get dealers choice, K 4!

I thought berating the fish was bad etiquette? :P

No, I didn't need to input my name for pokerstars.fr after I saved the HH to harddrive. This was the solution I was thinking of but I might want to play the sat at the same time for example. Just have to miss it.

Its not wanting to start an argument. Its a precaution to make sure I don't break the rules.

Adam, why not just switch the HUD off completely?  It can't make a huge difference to the MTTs?  I don't have one on my laptop and don't miss it massively.  You must know a lot of the plo8 players and the French playing pool is small.  Late on you can always close DTD and open the HUD up if you must.

I haven't seen anyone say the lack of hud itself is a problem, more they don't understand how it's theoretically going to be implemented, and they can just see potential problems if trying to use the dtd software at the same time as a normal grind. And people rightly love dtd so they have reservations about any chance of being banned for life!

Yeh, that's prob what we will do mate, we also have me, Devilfish, scallie, lil Dave and a few others to start the odd bigger game.

We are only after 1-2 tables of low stakes per night for club members, I'm sure we can manage that after we have marketed the new tables at the £300 and Grand Prix

It's all small scale stuff, nothing to make a fuss about and not targeted at the pro grinders. I'm expecting 2 tables a night after a month of awareness.

Hope you are well

Rob

Should start a thread, anyone who wants to play post in the thread and see who's about!

We're going to try run a reg PLO game once a week, why don't we get a NL game going Pads?

sure and like I posted in the thread im def supporting it and also mentioned it heavily on pokerstrategy.

The line of "we dont want people who play with huds to play" kinda line just made me feel like it was expected to just be "recs" playing. Which is unlikely to happen without the alexes, lil daves and honeybadgers starting the games and getting the action going.

But you, devilfish etc all playing and starting is way way better.

I will come and donate in the omaha games to you guys and learn abit, more appealing than playing 25 dollar buy ins or playing vs sharks on stars who will bumhunt me.

sure im in for plo and nl. obv terrible at plo and play pretty bad at nl too.

excellent! the worse you can play the better :)

The way I read it, is that if you are to play in these games you have to play it in the right spirit.

Don't get involved if you are gonna add them into a 12 tabling session.

But if you are gonna have these cash tables up, with maybe 1 or 2 DTD sats on the side, and have the ability to still have some banter in the chat box and not time out etc then go ahead.

I don't use a HUD anyway, as I do the sat majority of my cash grinding on Sky obv, but I like,and respect, what Rob, Simon and the team are trying to do here so wouldn't dream of taking the piss by also playing 10 tables of Sky at the same time.

anyone wanna play some £2/£5 PLO tonight? :)

on 5 cent 10 cent now if you fancy that Dave

Hi Guys - few seats left at the 5p 10p game I got Rob to give a spin for the £15 max sit down

im trying to play BUT im not allowed yet :(

Dave!

How long in between signing up and the tab appearing on the software?

DAve - send me your screen name

As for time scales we are in the hands of the Ipoker gods we intend to get players in ASAP - we are currently sending 2 list per day

I'm just getting my stats together on Rob, 14% EP 3b and a 11% steal...

100% VPIP?

Hi Guys

These games are running now, sign up if you haven't already and get online if you've already signed up :)

Cheers Nicola

How long is the waiting list for Rob's table?

And how much longer before iPoker gets an iPad app?

Sigh I leave PLO table n villains snap sit out :)

I'll take the overs please ;)


Been sat most of the night waiting to get the details to reg but looks like Ipoker are happy to continue to compete with Ryanair for the worst in customer service sigh

We have sent 2 list today and unfortunately Ipoker haven't confirmed they are loaded, with tomorrow being a school day i'm sure all players signed up over the weekend will be in.

Sorry that you couldn't get in tonight

Of course it makes a huge difference. I'm intending to play at the end of sessions so I can always switch it off then. But no way am i 20 tabling on  a sunday without a HUD.

I'm wanting to part time when I'm playing more relaxed, like when I play the 6o games on FT I might add in a few DTD tables. I'm not asking because I want to 20 table and have these one, more like when I'm sat in 3 turbos at the end of my session. I didn't want to get banned for wanting some reads on people on my hot 44 table whilst i play these games! Its not like I fancy embarrassing myself by playing these midsession!

Hi Mate

Listen, maybe have a bash at the Club Cash games when you fancy just kicking back with a beer/coffee/cup of cocoa and only playing a couple of tables on DTD. The rules are very clear, there are no grey areas as far as we are concerned - there can't be for this to work, and if you or anyone else thinks that there are grey areas and need to ask questions about these rules, just don't play on these tables and take the risk. This is the last comment I will make on the matter, and I have spoken to Simon and Nick and we all agree that if players are in any doubt that you cannot abide by these rules for whatever reason, then our advice is not to play. I repeat, I will be surprised of we get more than 1-2 low stakes tables a night plus the arranged games that me/Devilish/Little Dave/Scalie etc will organise , so I'm sure noone who is unsure will be missing out on much.

Today, we had 50+ players sign up on here http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games-sign-up.php, that's really cool that these people like what we are doing, Nick showed me the list and there was players from our Pub Poker League and nearly all players had never played cash online before, that's what these tables are about, and that's why we added the 2p-5p and 5p-10p.

I played some £0,05p £0.10p NL and PLO tonight and it was actually fun and nice to chat with DTD players, although the guy that called me all-in with 6d7d on the turn, we need to find a reason to ban him. I lost on the DTD tables and just about scraped it back on the ipoker PLO tables  :)

Cheers Rob

This was my final solution too. I just didn't want to take any chances, didn't mean to cause you guys any trouble. I understand these games aren't quite aimed at me, but I want to be part of the fun and I believe I'll play in a way which will uphold the spirit of the game as I believe it should be played. Hopefully we can have a decent game sometime :)

Sounds like these games will be ideally suited to an iOS client. Hint, hint :)

I'm currently heads up with Rob, but need a challenge... ;)

Does it just say 'seat not available' if you haven't gone through the system to play yet?

I would love to, but unfortunately I've been putting off writing an essay for over a month. That said, I am reading/posting on blonde instead, so motivation is obvs at an all time low.

Only thing stopping me is that I'm afraid Kinboshi is a sicko, so if he's looking for a challenge, I'm afraid I'm unable to oblige.

Kinboshii plays very well on Dtd site, I'd steer well clear.

doubled thru Rob and fished against Boshi!!...

CONFIRMED.

Vinodh.  Teach me!

LOL Boshi.. As I said, I guess its all beginner's luck!!! will be back again tomorrow for more fishing :)

Wiiiiiiii


First time I've won 2 bi @ online cash in 2 years.

I feel like there's a sexual orientation joke in there somewhere, but I just can't find it... Thoughts?

Sometimes it's better to receive.

But he's normally a giver.

Played in a few of these last night PLO and NLHE

both games where fun ...... But no one wanted to share there real names !

I asked a couple of times with no joy !!

Apart from the obvious bookie Jim & rob yong

Lets play some games tonight! Who's in?

If I can have 5 cards  :)

Me

0.25 / 0.50 NLHE

Ballin outa control...

See you all tonight!

In

Patience.

My commitment is to Real Poker with Real Players.

I need 1000+ sign ups (116 at moment)

Then we will move to phase 2 which will include cash game played knowing who they are playing against.

What I need is support from poker players to get us some liquidity and the 1000+ to sign up.

Patience, this is something I am committed to.

Cheers Rob

can I have 6 please?

No I'm a fish.

I said "Hi Lee" and you just ignored me!

Pah!

My table is like a DTD who's who.

Signed up and will be in for these when I'm back of my jollys!

i didn't notice mate sorry

Hello,

9pm tomorrow (wednesday) we're going to have a little PLO game if any one would like to play put your name in this thread, should be a fun game!

£5/£10 on table "lil dave" :D

£500 min buyin, £2k max buyin.

Lets gmboooll - See you tomorrow :)

Nice to see the recreational players getting involved in the spirit of things.

Lil Dave

I am defo in for your weekly game if you can the players signed up in time (I know this is a pain BUT we gotta do this for every player), if you cant manage it, next week is good, every Wed at 9pm is a good time for me if that's your time to have it;

few suggested PLO names who might play - I can think of are:

Devilfish (if hes back from the Vic)
Sham (says hes running bad so we want him in the game :))
Berridge (if hes not working late)
JP (as he's not in Barcelona)
Nik Persuad
George (if he can switch a computer on - he did win a CPP package for £1 so I think he can)
Tony Millan (think he has played sats so should have an account)
Mat May (has an account, not always a big PLO fan though)
Rana (if they have internet in Wales)

Skalie can help you with any phone numbers etc

Cheers Rob

kicked off by losing 900bb pot to Rob.... sigh

What's your name on there Tom?

Very much enjoyed playing these games for a couple of hours last night.
Played in the right spirit, with a nice bit of table chatter.
Most people happy to share their real-life names, which helped the banter along.

Would encourage anyone who has a bit of time in the evenings to sign up and give it a go.
Played £0.25/£0.50 last night, but am pretty sure we can get games going at other levels if that suits people a little better.

I kicked off my DTD online career bashing Skalie up for a swift £30 HU

:)

Brags ITT

Rob asked us to get as many people as possible to sign up for the club cash games.

He's put himself out for out for the benefit of the poker community countless times, take a moment to do something in return.

It's free and it's easy. Even I managed it.

Sign up now please.

one day i'm gonna have a mustache like Red-Dogs

One day I'll have balls like yours.

Given the relative ages, I think it's more the other way round...

/thread

im waiting :)

I'd be up for this, just logged on and saw the table is empty :(

How long does it take to get verified?

Hi mate,

It depends on ipoker,  a few minutes ideally, we send the names straight off once we have made the necessary checks. We send you a confirmation email, sorry of you have had to wait.

Cheers Simon

Hi Guys

We have set up a skype account for players at the Online Club Cash Game tables to contact whoever is responsible for monitoring the online tables that day, initially that will be me, Nick, Rob, Nicola, until we are comfortable that the DTD Live Card Room supervisors can get more involved.

The Skype account you will need to add is cashgamemanager - you will need to sign up to the cash games first obviously http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games-sign-up.php

This is for only for players who are playing at the Online Club Cash Game Tables and means these players are now able to get instant support by using the messenger on Skype, whether that be to complain about someones behavior at their table, something they saw in the chat, anything apart of bad beats :)

Skype is free to join if you do not have an account. Link here, https://login.skype.com/account/signup-form. For non urgent stuff you can email nicola@dusktilldawnpoker.com or Facebook / email me

Cheers Simon

Yeah I've received the DTD email confirming I've signed up, just not received the verification emailing confirming I can now play at the dtd cash tables, 24h later. IPoker is joke tilting

Hi everyone

Playing DTD Online Club Cash Games THIS WEEK. Interested?

Looking to up the number of games running any evening this week

The range of games on offer at various levels, via the Club Cash Games Tab on DTD Poker are

Micro

£0.02-0.05 NLHE and PLO
£0.05-0.1 NLHE and PLO

Low

£0.1-£0.25 NLHE and PLO
£0.25-0.5 NLHE and PLO
£0.5-£1 NLHE and PLO


Medium

£1-2 NLHE and PLO
£2-5 NLHE and PLO

High

£5-10 NLHE and PLO


Sign up via http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php

You can add live:cashgamemanager on Skype. Online Club Cash Game Support will be functioning 24-7 for any issues you may have, whether it be joining the Club, trying to sit in a game, in game, afterwards etc


I know going back to when we had our own room on blonde we ran various nights on the blonde tables, from micro stakes up

Would love to replicate those on these tables, so I am looking for interest please, and at what levels

I'll then arrange some dates and times until such time that these games run more automatically....


Over to you...



 

Table Bookiejim NL25 running now if anyone fancies it......

Rob mentioned about a £2/£5 NL game running on Tuesday night. Is this still happening? Anybody else interested?

Or tonight maybe?

Try tonight (and I will mention to Rob again for tomorrow) Mitch, there's a player waiting on there already. I will spread the word

I'll play tonight either 1-2 or 2-5

I've told people tue for NL and wed for PLO

Games are 200BB deep remember

We need to get everyone signed up with ipoker or they can't play

Mitch, Rob there is a £2-5 running now

Table "Gascoigne2"

Hopefully should be active for the  evening from here on

ill deposit some dough and get involved then....

Ominous.

It's ok, your Dad isn't playing it at the moment.

An inability to play online cash is basically the nut aspect of his technological incompetence.

Just spoke to Kurt, hes up for 1/2 and 2/5 tonight from 8pm, ill see who else i can get involved...

£1-2 on table Skalie2 now, SEATS OPEN...............

Waiting for iPoker........       ;whistle;

out of interest, how long have you been waiting?

Nicola is back tomorrow, so that might help

Best part of several minutes now!!!!!  I have contacted online support and they confirmed that it was iPoker I was waiting for.  Is your skype Flitwick, United States?

No, add Richard Prew Online Cash Game Manager not the personal one (USA, apparently, for reasons I do not know how to fix yet!)

Nothing comes up for online cash game manager.  I need a username or something?  All I can get is Flitwick, United States (presumably the personal one).

Just add me, tomsom87, if it's easier.

request sent


think the DTD one must just be live:cashgamemanager

I hope ;-)

Give me 10 mins and I may join in if I can get sober.... Bound to get a full table now ;D ;D. gotta fire up my laptop which takes 20 mins.

Would play but have no pc :(

Gonna play 1-2 cause my brain is puddled , more than usual.

And I don't want fatlad takin all my hard earned money

ok well sign up please if you haven't already. then when you can play it will be all systems go

Mitch and bookiebasher on one table? Someone's luck is in....

Signed already

Any news for i poker ap?

if only! I will check

Think an App would be massive. Sure DTD agree with that too.

Think there's an I poker ap already the skin is called winner

<3

There were 5 tables running last night

5pm onwards for a couple, then the full range from around 8pm

Definitely 1-2 and 2-5 NL arranged for tonight on these tables, all welcome


Sign up via http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php

You can add live:cashgamemanager on Skype. Online Club Cash Game Support will be functioning 24-7 for any issues you may have, whether it be joining the Club, trying to sit in a game, in game, afterwards etc

Played HU vs Rob in 1/2 PLO and also in 1/2 with Mitch , Rob , Bookiebasher and Jakally ( he's a fish ). Game was good . Enjoy it

Richard, how do I report Chatbox abuse in these games.

A player was calling me names last night on a 1/2 table, and nearly made me cry. I can't remember his exact name, but was something like whosateallthepies888.

Wasn't going to say anything, as he was a very 'recreational' player ( I think you know what I'm saying), but the kind gentlemen who posted above just reminded me.

I didn't know pigeon was on the menu!

I had the same situation last nite , where do I report ? Can the chat be checked and reviewed again ? The words he/she describes were very bad on the chat box. He ask me me to eat all the pies !! Lol

In addition to a facebook group, Skype and here there is now a DTD Online Club cash games Twitter account

please follow @DTDOnlineCash

News of games and forthcoming new initiatives will be posted on there

Just flip Richard or me your dtd details and we can resolve for you

jakally - we take this very seriously as we do in the DTD club - please report to Richard on the skype account and we will review the chat logs, if you mail me the table name / time etc i will pull it off and deal with it.

Especially if it was the one that goes by the name of Chippyman

we  gonna have some PLO tomorrow :) ???

Yes! Wednesday night PLO is planned. Please spread the word Dave

Is he barred ?  ;thankyou; ;thankyou;

Full Nl 50 running, spaces on NL100, NL200 and 500 due to run a bit later

roll up roll up

these tables are getting busier....

Yesteday was busier again on the various DTD Online Club Cash Game tables, over 30 players across the levels

Today were are going to be running Omaha games, and making Wednesdays the regular Omaha night

The bigger Omaha game will run from 8pm


The usual NL games from NL10 to NL500 will run too

Any numbers available of people who have signed up to the DTD cash games?? if your gonna take the dtd sponsorship seriously then im guessing that u need lots of regulars playing to make it work??

About 220 so far

Games are getting busier, last two nights have been good games across various levels

Signed up yet? Spreading the word to the Welsh boys?

Hi mumblesrock,

The count of registered members is monitored on a counter on the news page here:

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php

Sign ups are still coming in.  :)

I had a eureka moment to encourage players to participate in the DTD cash games and would like to gauge  what blondes / dtd managers thought of this proposal!!

My thoughts:  from all rakes hands - rake an additional 1% of the pot, this money could be accumulated into a super pot which would be played for at the end of each month, with the top 200 players having an invite into this freeroll torney! This event could be online or indeed live.  The 200 players would be eligible my accruing a point for each day they played a cash game regardless of how many tables or stake they play = therefore a max of 1 point is available each day and a max of 31 points in the month.   I'm no mathematician but i'm sure this would generate a healthy pot to play for each month.

I know that Aspers casino have used this system in London and have generated some massive 80k + pots and that was with raking an additional £1 from the pot, this rewards loyal cash players and gives everyone an opportunity to win a decent cash at the end of each month for free!!  I cant see any reason why this type of scheme would not work online!!??

any thoughts?? ;carlocitrone;

I don't like it. too many people disadvantaged.

Anyone not available to play misses out.

People outside the top 200 miss out.

The Vic takes an extra £1 from every pot>£20 to fund a regulars freeroll once a month and that too makes a tidy sum. From limited observation it means that a lot of regulars sit at tables through the day enjoying the conversation and practicing their folding skills whilst they accumulate points to enable them to participate in the division of everyone else's money.

can we never do anything because one of the worst scummiest card venues in history does it. pretty pls.


maybe we could set up some 1/2 raked and write up the collusion rules onto a nice people of A4 and hand it out........

Thinks Rob was buzzing when he saw lots of players of different level of game . Only PLO is not running ! That will save me a few bob as I refused playing HU with Rob . He's to good

organise a game for weds nights an you don't even show up ? Too busy playing on your other ipoker account in the 10 20 games tonite?

Probably just didn't wanna play with you given how you conduct yourself online.

Grow up

Fun game last night boys.

till next week

To whom it might most concern....

Whilst not a big fan of online cash games I love this idea and have dipped my toes in on those occasions when I've been able. Was a bit miffed that when someone I'd recommended it to tried to play (happened to be in a game I was in as that was all that was available) he was declined on the grounds that previously I have transferred money over to him using the IPoker Skin.

The next day I couldn't join a table because he was playing in it.

Of course I have been playing people who I know well who I havent transferred money to. And lets face it poker$ transfers must happen all the time.

I have signed up to the terms and would of course never breach them. This particular rule I'm not a fan of. Can it be undone? I doubt I will need to transfer funds again, or would agree not to if need be.

PS, Ill out myself; DONKUOFF, look forward to seeing you all there.... (although not quite all of you  ;tracet;) 

I'll check this for you Sean.

thanks for supporting the games, please continue to do so

Signed up for cash games but no notification that I can play yet.
Gg me for picking a ridiculous alias that I wont remember.  Something like GQRxxxxxxxx x being numbers. Regged to Neil Bull.
Any help?

As these games are private tables and all players are verified club members with full ID on our systems - I have requested to Ipoker that our tables do not have this restriction.
Ipoker have confirmed this is acceptable and will be fixed today.

thanks for letting us know good luck in the game.

Nick

Hi Neil,

Your on the list and okay to play.

Glenn

Cheers Tighty, would be nice to see you there maybe sometime. ;whistle;

As these games are private tables and all players are verified club members with full ID on our systems - I have requested to Ipoker that our tables do not have this restriction.
Ipoker have confirmed this is acceptable and will be fixed today.

thanks for letting us know good luck in the game.

Nick
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Thanks Nick

Marv. Now lets get that ginger munchkin BetBetJam

Full range of games tonight, all levels.

Hope to see you christen a table or two Mr GQR Lots of numbers!

Have just registered. When should I expect to be able to play? :)

Tomorrow

If you want to play tonight let me know, will see if it can be chased for today (everyone will welcome it, so special case)

 rotflmfao

Only if it can be done without too much hassle Tighty. Genuinely not a problem if I need to wait a day or whatever.

Cheers, Ed

PM me your DTD Online username then Ed, ty

Top man, PM sent. Figured I should do my bit to support what is a great initiative whilst I have something of a free evening (read "the girlfriend is out").

   With this  kind if value might have to boot up the PC.

When you check-raise online is the amount indented? ;)

See you on there?

      If I can break away from Breaking Bad. Shouldn't you be studying?

Nathan ? Only fun when winning m8! gg

have signed up to the games, ticked all the boxes, so i can see whats happening when i make enough money to play 5/5NL

plan is going well so far, have turned points fo a £1 sat to £8 sat to GP seat ([] thin, as them kids say)

now all i have to do is win it, put a deposit down on a house, buy the wife new norks and maybe a VW T5, and have enough left to spunk away on the cash games knowing i'm incredibly under rolled/skilled to do so

anyway, where's my email saying i've been accepted???????

you should get an email with 48 hours of the sign up being processed by IPoker

let me  know if you don't please

Wiiiiiiiiii, no anon players on the table soon ! #NOSECRETPLAYERS

That's right, expect news on the next stage next week.....

Please not what it sounds.

People may want to walk into a club Anon to the guys on the table and lose x amount they might even be fine with them knowing their first name, maybe even have them on Facebook but a lot of people willmbenput off as soon as their name is displayed on the big bad Internet.

They won't be, so its not as it sounds

News next week

Got it today

cheers all

now to win the GP!!!!

FWIW its stnd across all ipoker skins that you cant play on a table with a player you have done an Xfer with before.

A Dramatic second part to the Online cash games blog from Rob has just been published

Well worth reading all of this....

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/blog.php?profile=4&id=440

Hm.

thanks for that

Hmm good or hmm bad?

I'm in. I would love this to work.

GL Rob.

this

complaining about the mass market not buying into the idea then adding something like this as the retaliation doesnt make too much sense imo.

Quite like the idea if the intention is to have a game or two a week, maybe ifit could connect via facebook i would be on to a winner..

Brilliant blog.

Some of those innovations - real names and identities for example - are spot on.

The banning of artificial aids - HUD's etc - will soon spread right across the industry, which will benefit 90% of the player base.

Way to go.

I hope so, but do they know if people use them? I suspect not.

I have no idea. On a stand-alone independent site they can easily be detected, but I don't know if that is the case on a network or skin. There are obvious clues which the Operator can see instantly if someone is using one.

Would players really be dumb enough to risk a life ban from DTD? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical :)

i very much doubt that.

Maybe not. Time will tell.

When an industry is in serious decline, these things need to be considered.

I assume you are aware how much Online poker traffic has delined, worldwide, in the last 12 months? Something needs to be done, and soon.  Burying our heads in the sand won't wash.

I love the idea of it I really do, but all lack of a clear response of a 'we will catch you, we can detect you using it' tells me they have no way to do it.

Most poker players are inherently greedy, and there is plenty that are willing to circumvent the rules to make some cash. I think that some will have no problem risking the life ban as there is a ton of skins on I poker they can play as well as a ton of other sites. The threat of 'would you risk it' is exactly that, just a threat, DTD are hoping that will put people off doing it, in reality they have no way of knowing so its a bit daft saying it in the first place.

Just to reiterate, I love the idea of it and hope it takes off, but they need to properly state how they can catch people to put them off or it's just an empty threat with zero substance. For the record I will play more if they can show this, so I'm not saying it for the sake of it, DTD can probably gain more business from me and other 'rec fish' if I know who I am playing against and they aren't using all the online tools to relieve me of my cash.

Yours sincerely, an interested punter

Fine Post.

I don't have any association with i-poker, so I dont know the inside track. However, I can guarantee that IF i-poker wanted to detect the use of HUD's, they could. Any site can. Whether i-poker, or any intermediary between them and the DTD room, are prepared to do those checks, approve of the notion, or pass the info to DTD, is another kettle of fish altogether.

Yeah Im a little bit up to date, I even write papers on it most weeks  ;nanana;

But most of the "big" sportsbooks who have shareholders will not want to partake in anything for the longterm benefit of the industry because "poker down 31%" is going to scare a lot of shareholders. Even if the decrease will be 31% anyway. They dont want dramatic short term losses hence giving away the entirety of their margin back to the players. One of the famous rooms were giving away 120% rakeback not long ago just to show impressive rake figures around the time of a very possible sell.

The networks care more, but they still want and need the regular players too.

Again, its very very very hard to get games started without regulars who use huds. Amateur players want the empty seat, they dont want to start a new table. And actually inviting them to do so and play HU is a bad idea too.

I would bet my entire net worth on it not happening n 2014. 100% of it not happening n 2015 and a very very large part of it not happening before 2016. Im not sure what you mean by "soon" though, nor am I trying to put my balls on the table and bet, Im just saying that I strongly dont think it will happen.

Also for any ipoker stuff if things arent happening for any reason, Rob is always willing to get in touch with me. PS and iPoker are best buddies now

I'm not sure why the need for the sarcastic opener there Patrick, am just stating my opinion, which I have the right to do, and I am doing so politely. My question was obviously rhetorical.

"Soon" in industry terms is clearly not weeks or months.

It is to the clear benefit of the major Sportsbooks with Shareholders to have a healthy online poker industry. Poker rooms are the seedcorn of cross-sell. They will not shrink from doing what is necessary to defend the recreational player base.

yeah, sorry.

But what is short term?

I have no idea. Sooner rather than later though. I know you dislike the notion, that's natural, you have a self interest, but 2 more years of decline at the current rate and its all over baby, free fall will follow, as sure as God made little apples.

This is why I admire Rob for trying to break the mould. Someone has to.

I don't want my own self interest to get in the way of the debate, or spam next door, but we have never knowingly permitted the likes of HUD's. I've taken more abuse about that than you'll ever imagine. I don't give a damn. I've attended  - and I am sure you have - plenty of "blind testing" sessions, where new and recreational players state their views. They are OVERWHELMINGLY against the idea of the unfair advantage that HUD's give. So if Rooms want to keep recruiting new blood - and they MUST replace those who leave - then they will need to do something soon.

I think the basket of ideas that Rob has proposed is a tremendous innovation. We badly need some innovation.

The very first time I played Online poker - maybe 2001? - I could not grasp the concept of anonymous Online aliases. I still don't, but I'm not as brave, or influential, as Rob.

Remember, if Online Poker shrinks further, your income is seriously at peril.

100% support Rob in this.

I don't play cash.......but I've signed up and will play.

Just one night a week is all he's asking.......not alot considering what he's done for all of us.

I think black friday and the segregation of markets has led to quite a lot of these issues. Pokerstars.fr/.es/.it are bigger than many sites. Pokerstars have 4 of the top 10 online companies according to Pokerscout.com plus winamax.fr are in the top 10 too. I don't have access to the same data as you guys but I very much doubt if online poker declines at this rate then it will be gone in two years. Pokerstars are never going to ban huds and consist of a huge part of the online poker world.

Still looking forward to some downtime on these tables. In the mindset of moving cash here there and everywhere at the moment and not holding onto it but hopefully I can provide some late night liquidity. If the photo from my first DTD visit is used it'll be hilarious. The real life details idea makes perfect sense for this room. I've certainly played against people who know my screen name and I don't know there's and vice versa on several sites. I pmed a reg on skype the other day to inform him he was sat on my right on stars.fr, he seemed bemused that I'd done it more than anything else. Signed up tonight. Quite looking forward to some 4 tabling battles across omaha/nlhe to get the games going!

edit: The bumhunting levels online are pretty depressing though.

May I refer back to my post on page one of this thread...no one with the knowledge has said whether or not this is possible or would work...


Surely if these tracking programs that pull up stats on your opponents work on usernames is it not time a poker site was the first to introduce the ability to change your username as often as you wish - it can't be that hard to introduce and then the vast information won't be able to be collected???

You could change it every day if you wished - making stats pointless for those collecting them

I really don't like the idea of players being able to regularly change their screen names.

One name - preferably real - should be the maximum. We have a right to use our skill against a player who's style we know, but that does not extend to a crib sheet generated by software.

I once observed a player change his screen name 3 times in one evening. That's just wrong. Deliberately mimicking other players names should be avoided, too. Think there were several variants of "RobYong" on DTD at one time via players making out to be him. 

I never suggested it would be "gone in 2 years", but how many years do you think an 11.5% annual decline can be sustained before the nature of the game changes dramatically?

Think of a watering hole in the jungle, which is drying out due to lack of rain. It gets more & more shallow, & the fish (not THOSE fish!) that survive are all fighting for the reduced amount of oxygen in the water. The big fierce animals get to drink the rest, & the cute deer all have to go elsewhere. Gets pretty tough for all of them.

I don't have ANY problem with those who play the game as Pros, & earn a living, in fact quite the opposite, I want them to survive. But we can't just bury our head in the sand & pretend everything is fine & dandy, it is not. And it will be the Pros that feel it keenest. Resisting the idea that there is a problem ain't gonna help. Guys like you, more than anyone else, OUGHT to be concerned, though I can understand why you are in denial. We don't need to do a Mr Wainwaring impression, but if we do nothing & pretend everything is fine, we soon will. 

If the idea that Rob has proposed were to catch on, in other Rooms, it can only be good.

If software was banned I agree that changing your name would not be required, the idea I was trying to suggest was more a way of trying to prevent your own playing style from being data based while these software programs are openly used and perfectly legal.

Kind of a "if poker sites won't stop it from happening I will chop and change my name so you don't get info on me" type of thing.

I don't think the big sites see it as a problem as I would bet every one of their pros use it...but the more the income declines the more they should look to change.

Yes, I completely see where you are coming from, I just think that is sort of tail wagging the dog.

You are correct, imo, too, as traffic declines, the rooms will & must make such changes as they see fit.

The situaton is clouded by the sheer size & success of 'Stars. Many rooms are in decline far greater than the annual industry rate, but their traffic is migrating to Stars.  I'm a Stars fan, everyone is, but if they end up with too much of the market, it has to be bad.

 

Apologies for hogging the thread since yesterday.

Think I really ought to stop Posting on this thread, it is Rob's thread, not mine, but I feel very passionately about it, & I've worked in the Industry for a very long time, so it matters to me, & I do have an understanding of where the Industry currently is. If I could produce a graph of online poker Traffic for the last 10 years, most would be convinced by the need to look at ourselves & make some adjustments. We should all buy in to that.

Over & out, sorry Rob. 

Are you allowed to play in these games Tony, what with your commitments "next door"?

Unfortunately not, or at least not until I get the tin tack, or retire!

I'd be there in a shot if I could. I support Rob's initiative 100%.

I play Online every night though, at stakes that would surprise you - 2p-4p, 4p-8p, 5p-10p - & you'd be amazed how it DOES help, & gives the recreationals a feeling they they do actually matter. And they do - they represent, what, 90%+ of the market?

On a poker forum we get an unbalanced view because it is populated by a lot of "pros", "grinders" etc, but the little man needs his voice heard too. He is more important to the Industry than many think.

Whoops, there I go again, sorry. Over & out.

As these games seems to be running pretty well so far, I wonder how long it'll be before the exclusive DTD tournaments comes to life - especially for the days DTD is shut.

I think he or she are the only ones that can stop the decline.  Well said Tony, well said.

HI Texas wouldn't it be great to have the £15 nightly and the Super 50 online.............to start off we have introduced the devil fish room hand picked tournaments for regs to get involved with http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/devilfish-room.php

its a start

Online cash game club tonight anyone? All levels from NL10 and up, all signed up welcome

Sit at a table and I will try and fill it up for you...

Is there mac support yet for the online card room?

May well have a look in , sometime after 9pm on the 1-2 tables if anyone wants to bum hunt ;)

No, it doesn't function on a Mac yet. Same for Ipad, unfortunately

Just some points on the Tracking Software debate;

From Rob's Blog;
I have had some debates with a number of professional online grinders, the most common being the prohibited use of any form of tracking software, which the online pros claim doesn’t benefit them ‘much’, is available to purchase for everyone and who cares because most new and recreational players don’t know it exists anyway. Well, if it doesn’t ‘really’ benefit you then why do you buy it, go to the effort of configuring it, importing all of your hand histories, and then overlaying the HUD on all of your tables, why do you buy hand histories of games that you have never even played in and why do you swap this data with each other?

I think this issue is being blown slightly out of proportion, I was one of the online players who said I would like to see online tracking software banned, I also said it isn't "much" benefit to me but I meant it in different terms to how you might think, if for example I had this software and no-one else did, then I would have a monstrous advantage over the other regular players, I've collected (legitimately) 20k, 25k and even on one player 35,000 hands on some of the regular players I play with, as it happens I barely look at the stats on these guys I've been playing with them for years and know their games pretty well, but I could look way way deeper into their games, really analyse and review what hands they showed up with where and when etc and they'd have no idea I could even possibly have known all this.

As it happens I don't/haven't actually done this ever, and the reason being that I just don't really know how, and a surprisingly high % of players I know online are the same, we have all these fancy stats and have learnt what they mean but haven't really taught ourselves how to use this new-found information, I'm veyr bad with numbers so I actuallly get a bit of headache looking at it all. I do know some players though who are so fast and clever with all this info that they really do gain a HUGE amount from it, they can look at some stat and instead of just knowing "ahhh so this guy has won the pot 53% of the time he has bet the river" they know how that will affect his play and make some sort of adjustment accordingly. Since talking to those people its forced me to go and be better with this stuff as its kinda scary how easy it is for them to break my game up when they have played 20,000 hands with me! 95% of the way I use my HEM database is to make pretty graphs after good months to show everyone how sick I am :D or to check after making a dubious all-in how much equity I had to see if I was being dumb or playing well lol

Against recreational opponents the sample of hands is very small and therefore only the very basic statistics are any use, VPIP/PFR/3B (how many hands they play/raise and re-raise) pre-flop and if I was only playing 4 tables then I would be able to know this info anyways without the use of the software as it's pretty easy to see if someone is tight/loose/aggressive just by concentrating. So whereas I gain a small advantage from having the software over the recreational players, the regulars who have this software and know how to properly use it gain a bigger advantage over me because of the size of the sample of hands - also on the front of PUrchasing hand history's, this is totally cheating and anyone who admits to doing it should be outed here, its ludacrous the sites dont take legal action against sites selling this stuff, but you can't select to buy hand histories on specific players, you just buy histories from certain stakes and certain periods of time, so if you were to buy HH's and $2/$4 and $3/$6 PLO for last month you'd get a lot more of my HH's than most recreational players, disadvantaging me further. Acquiring a 300 hand batch of say Rob's HH's from the last month wouldn't actually be any use to me whatsoever. 

The Software DOES NOT give regular players a ZEN-LIKE advantage over recreational players

Purchasing HH's from data mining sites IS cheating and again it's the regular players who get cheated the most

So when I said tracking software doesn't benefit me "much" what I MEANT was - I'd make more money at online poker without it, but in the current state of things I make more money by having it, and mostly at the expense of clawing back advantage the other regs using it have as opposed to directly taking that from the recreational players.

I think Rob's initiate is great I really do, I'm behind him 100% and will support the games at all stakes 25p/50p - 5/10£. I really hope it works and actually think there is a great chance it will, Im not sure if Rob will change the global landscape of online poker, and certainly not overnight, but that isn't really his immediate intention I dont think and I think this could be the beginning of some very positive changes in online poker. What worries me though is that we'll get very caught up in this debate over tracking software and data-mining when it's not where near as important for online poker as some of the other issues that are attempting to be fixed here and that could hold progress back.

Great post.

Congratulations on your appointment Tighty, tough job ahead (changing peoples habits).. I will do my bit, albeit Im not a big on line cash player (time, etc) I wish DTD and you the best in making this happen as the alternative does not look particularly favourable from what I read....

thanks

Keep an eye open on the thread. Promotions coming that will suit players at all levels

been off line for a few days... but I like many other DO support Rob Young and what he is trying to achieve at the club and online!  I hope everyone gets behind the scheme and in doing so benefit from the generous DTD sponsorship which could lead to free riches - if you then go and take down a big event!!
My previous post (some days ago) was just an idea to attract players to play cash games on a regularly basis and to reward this activity, it has worked live and i'm sure with some thought it could work online??
I do hope ROB is successful in the next 6 months - as im sure everyone would agree DTD would be a massive loss to the industry!!

fyp

You've been in the job for five minutes and you're already speaking of promotions.  There was a time when you'd have done all this for free  ;)

Play our Online Club Cash Games and earn a free Grand Prix Seat

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/images/email/GPcash-games-email-header-16th-septt.jpg)

The £250,000 Dusk Till Dawn Grand Prix is almost upon us, and to celebrate we are offering free Day 1 seats! All you need to do is play our new Online Club Cash Games, and generate just 25 DTD status points at the tables, and we'll give you a free £60 seat to the DTD Grand Prix.

For every 25 DTD status points you generate on our Online Club Cash Game tables you earn a Day 1 seat. So more points means more free seats.

The DTD Online Club Cash Games are our new cash tables where you can enjoy the same poker experience on Dusk Till Dawn Poker as you can in the club. Read all about the Online Club Cash Games on our website.

Example:
If a player plays 25p/50p at our Online Club Cash Game tables, on average, they are earning 10 points per hour.
So just 2.5 hours play can earn you a seat into the £250,000 GTD Event.

The qualifying period for earning your points and claiming your seats runs now until 21:00 Friday 27th September 2013.

So fancy a free Grand Prix seat? Like to have a crack at a £250,000 Guaranteed Prize Pool for free?

just 25 DTD Status Points earns you a completely free DTD Grand Prix Seat! You can win up to 24 x £60 seats

Ok that carrot and Rob's stick is enough to get me involved. Signed up, how long until I can play roughly? Cheers

tomorrow, if you have just signed up now

thanks

Quick q please Tighty - above refers to 'status points' but on the screen I have 2 sets of points currently showing - reward points and base points - which one does the status points relate to please?

Cheers
Rob

In the lobby it shows reward points, these are after they take your VIP status into account

Status points explained at http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/dtd-points.php

So Reward points are Status points x VIP Multiplier

Status Points= Base points   

WAW this is an outstanding promotion to kick start the cash tables....... well done the dtd team.  ;hattip;
Hope everyone gets involved, they mad if they don't!!!!! 

Cheers

incred promotion!

couple of questions:

do the seats automatically get added everytime you reach one or at the end of the promotion?

do you have to win 25pts+ per session or if u win 10pts 1 session then 15pts another does that equal a seat?

thanks

They get added the day after you achieve them, on a leaderboard updated daily on the DTD site.

ie Tom L has earned 4 Grand Prix tokens etc etc

You can accumulate across sessions to hit each 25 point milestone


The tables are busy tonight, have been 5 full since 7.30-8pm. The article only has 100 views so far too, so there should be plenty of liquidity in the next fortnight as more people see the promotion, to help people bank the points and hopefully turn that into a grand prix result

Great, thanks for the swift response Tighty.

Fantastic promo guys!

Think I got enough status points tonight,for a seat.

......just not sure if it would have been cheaper buying in  :D

WP to whoever came up with this. Think it should pull in the numbers.

Can't find it..... pointer please :)

Hi,

We have it set up and just putting it on the website.

Glenn

And here is your Leaderboard Ladies and Gents,

It will be updated daily.

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/gp-free-seats-leaderboard.php

Games have been running all day, and plenty of sign ups too thanks

NLHE £1-2 AND £2-5 games tonight. £1-2 early (now onwards) for those are around. All welcome

There was some confusion on my cash table re:points

Says you need to earn 25 "status points" for seat bonus.

On the top left of table it has base points and reward points.

Are status points same as Reward ponts?

No Status points are base points

base points x a VIP Multiplier =Reward points

Explained (after several readings!) at http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/dtd-points.php


the leaderboard will be updated daily

Cheers...someone was convinced it was the other way round and they'd "won" 4 seats today :)

really can't get my head round these points...it seems easier to play for an hour or so and have a look tomorrow how many it gets me

what don't you understand?

in the top left hand corner of your table is "base points".

These go up as you play a pot. (it resets to zero if you have a break in play, but obviously any previous ones are banked)

 Get up to 25 pts for a seat.

wow...that's an idiots guide and great...thanks...I get it now


erm...if we need 25 base points why are we calling them status points  :dontask:

I call..

Still i'll take my 12.5pts for 3hrs grind and be back tomorrow to make a seat. Great lil promo, home, have tea, 3hrs grind and still get an early night. Just how I like it.

saw you playing, thanks

yep that estimate does look on the high side  now I've seen the points being generated!

£1 of rake = 1 Point

25 points / £25 in rake = 1 Grand Prix £60 seat

100 points / £100 in rake = 5 Grand Prix x £60 seats

Its a promo to get everyone to sign up so we can kick start the room:)

Cheers Rob

Is it win four, get one free?

Can I check how many points I have atm or do I just wait for the leader board to update?

My account (top left of lobby)> cash game history or DTD Points

You are looking for Base points

Leaderboard should update around lunchtime daily

Rob Yong interview with UK Poker News

http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2013/09/exclusive-rob-yong-interview-why-i-will-quit-dusk-till-dawn-11659.htm

:(

Great Blog Rob, would be a disaster if Rob walked away.

Hi Sharky,

They are technically all free  ;)

This looks to be a typo unfortunately. 4 seats = £100 rake  :)

Glenn

And another one, Lee Davy's interpretation at Calvin Ayre

http://calvinayre.com/2013/09/17/poker/dusk-till-dawn-owner-rob-yong-to-quit/

sorry if this has been covered. I don't want to play any live events, is this still a good promotion?

Well the Grand Prix seats promotion is seats to a live event, so not really

Would be appreciated if you'd sign up to the cash games club though, and if you want to play online do some of it via the Club cash tables - that's if you support what Rob is trying to achieve

Sign up via http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/online-club-cash-games.php

Like Lee Davy's writing style.

What's the eta on the names and pics and everything going live? Tried my best to get people chatting etc but some still don't want to reveal themselves which for me defeats the purpose..

Monday I hope

A lot are revealing names

If you want to know ask me, I'll give names out, and most are aware of that. Real Name display is coming anyway

tyty. I might take you up on that. :)

I'll start it off..

P_i_c_s_p_w_  (Dean Watson)



Hope too get a quick session in tonight whilst trying for another GP seat..

5-10 tho

I thought the idea was to make identities available to signed up cash came players who are actually playing rather than observers and forum surfers.

Remember, lots of people use the same alias on several sites. revealing to all and sundry while they remain incognito doesn't seem quite fair to me.

I am not revealing to all and sundry

If someone in a game asks who they are playing, I'll tell them

Won't be putting it on a forum or social media or a chat box for an observer, just privately

This is the same way the RND will work

Once you are sat at a table you'll be able to log in to a password protected web page, find your table and see who you are playing

Observers and those on other tables won't have access to the information on your table

Oh I see... My bad.

Soz Rich.

I am not revealing to all and sundry

If someone in a game asks who they are playing, I'll tell them

Won't be putting it on a forum or social media or a chat box for an observer, just privately


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Oh now ya tell me.. Sigh  ;hide;

Won enough points for a GP seat :)

Spent £105 doing it :(

It depends.

In your situation I would play, get my seats, register for the online Day 1's and if you make Day 2 - just dont turn up. Everyone who makes Day 2 cashes so if you think a mincash is worth it then do it that way.

This promotion is fab..... I don't usually play online cash games, but have really enjoyed doing so this week (last two days).  I have played small stake 4 card and 2 card, made a modest profit and am 2.75 points away from a seat!!! that cant be bad!!!  I have played many home cash games for decent stakes but never online-  its great fun with excellent GPrix seat value!!!
get involved everyone!!!!!  what u waiting for!!! ;applause;

     Well I have fired up the Atari, managed to sort out all the user name and password malarkey and am now up and running.I am not an online player ( not any sort of player really) but if this supports Rob then I am in. My name is Gas7756. I am Ian Gascoigne and I don't give a monkeys who knows ! Tracking software was never any good for my opponents because I never play the same way twice lol. It will be great with the real identity photo's start and I wish this endeavor the best of success.

I've seen the old c/r at least twice..

Should sue the guy with IanGas1944 sn :)

No way youre 69 :)

Hi, I was interested in hearing about the DTD Sponsorship scheme but that seems to have gone from the Online Cash Page. Is it on temporary hold due to the GP Seats promo? Might well be that I am just bad in finding things online.

If you signed up before the GP promo started your raked pts will count towards the sponsorship scheme. Otherwise It is in hold until afterwards. (I asked the same question)

Thank you, appreciate the reply millidonk.

Is there a way of checking your progress to the £100 raked target? started on cash games from day 1 so think I'd qualify once I hit £100 raked.

Yes I can check

Leave it with me please. Ridiculously pressed, so remind me if you hear nothing

Cliick here

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/dtd-sponsor-pounds.php (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/dtd-sponsor-pounds.php)

Enter your details into the 'Am I eligible for DTD Sponsorship £££'s?' section

It will tell you your current running total

thanks, much easier!

the answer is yes, there should be some games running

Could you let me know, privately if need be, what levels you are interested in and your nickname and I will keep you in touch

if you have skype add me on "cashgamemanager" then you can contact me easily

Cheers, getting closer to the £100 then :)

sorry to sound dull - Q: when u sign up to the club cash games and the opportunity to win grand prix seats, are u automatically signed up to the dtd sponsorship promotion to.. ie the one where u have to achieve a £100 rake to qualify??? ;thankyou;

No, that comes back after the current promotion (people who signed up beforehand will be honoured as I understand it, ie rake currently counts towards the scheme) So sign up for the Sposnorships scheme (or any different version)  once the Grand Prix is over

thanks for clearing that up!

Been trying to register for club cash games - I have filled in form, ticked boxes etc - but any time i click on any available seats get " Sorry but your seat is currently not available" message come up for all attempts to sit down.

Alias = loofahfromtheG

Help anyone?

when did you send the form off?

a list goes to IPoker several times a day, which once processed allows those on it to sit in the games

can take a few hours, possibly overnight if you do it out of office hours, to go through

Ah cheers Rich - only did it 10 mins ago, got confirmation email     ....     thought that was all that was required - I'll give it a bash tomorrow then.

You'll get another email letting you know you can play.

 Are the Grand Prix tokens awarded for the cash game promotion counted as 'Golden Chips', does anyone know?

No they don't

All the golden chips went about 10 days ago

KK - worth a punt.

Are you allowed to play 2 tables of PLO and two tables of Holdem or just 2 total?

4 total

Anyone know who "DTDonlinePRO" is?

Pretty abusive just now on Bash 4 PLO table and also discussing cards when hes folded and action still left in the hand.

I know

Will check it out


For everyone's reference if you see anything that you are unhappy with in chat, PM me or fb me or skype and I will check it

Will be treating the games as if they were in club, for etiquette. Anything that breaches online, will then apply to the live club for the individual too

The same guy was giving everyone sh1t on the tables earlier aswell... I have registered and joined cause I thought the games were to be played as they are live with a good atmosphere and all having a laugh etc.

The same player was abusing someone earlier in the room cause he hit runner runner on him and then proceeded to tell him what a fish he was for the next half hour till that person left.

They are to be played precisely in the atmosphere you say. I'm on the case.

For those who i might play with on here my name is CFC20I2 :D

For what its worth I think its a brilliant idea!

thanks for playing

Shame about the nickname, but I'll forgive you

Hi everyone

the individual referred to above has had his right to visit the Online Club tables, and the DTD club itself, revoked

Good.

This was a good test run for policing the online room.

Rich had sent all the chat to Simon (before any post on here) so that Simon could assess independently.

Simon then called the player personally and informed him he was banned from Online and The Club indefinitely, with the 'right' to write to Simon personally in 90 days time, any communication before that time will be ignored, players do not get their ban lifted after 90 days, they just have the right to open dialogue with Simon after that period.

This will be the procedure, with the exception of cheating, collusion and using tracking software, which there will be lifetime bans rather than 'indefinite'.

Despite sceptics, I believe it's completely possible to police this online room just as we would the live club, although I am expecting players banned for chat abuse to be rarer than an anonymous room.

While I am posting;

I have had a number of questions about the Real Name Display.

Phase 1 - Real Names, Photos and Location will be through web site log in (launch this week)
Phase 2 - Real Names, Photos and Location will be over the actual table you are playing at (launch in 2-4 weeks)

Cheers Rob

P.S. Thanks to all those that have supported the room so far, this is a 6 month project, so please bear with us as we develop it

Well done Rob & gang - you've even got this dedicated MTT player playing cash online now, which I rarely did in the past.

Impressive stuff :)up

I joined that table, I did post that the comments were not in the spirit of the table but soon left as he it didn't stop him - it didn't put me off though I will play again and good to see a swift response.

I also joined that table but he had settled down by then after a warning. We should have a wall of shame with pics, names and locations of all those banned. No? Just me?

I took part in my first ever cash game on DTD yesterday. It was a very enjoyable experience (as far as online cash goes!). I will try and spin up my small profit.
 I did happen to be on one of the tables which DTDONLINEPRO was playing on. There was a bit of banter between us but it was all pretty friendly stuff. I guess that there's a fine line between, what, for one person is harmless banter, and, for someone else, can be deemed to be offensive.
 I was curious as to who DTDONLINEPRO is, and that was before reading this thread. I now know who he is, and, too be honest, he's probably a bit of a keyboard warrior, but not such a bad person as it would seem from this thread.
 I'm pretty sure that if the software which shows the players identities had been in place, things could have maybe been defused with a few choice words, and maybe a bit of light hearted banter.
 I'm not trying to defend the actions of DTDONLINEPRO, particularly as i dont know what was posted in the online chat, but, I do believe that knowing the individual who's on the end of the other keyboard will probably solve this problem. It's very easy for words typed on a keyboard to be mis-interpreted.
 Also, I think there could be a danger that if you police internet chat violations too severely, you could encourage some people to just sit there without saying / typing a word, for fear that they might let rip when on tilt or under the influence and then be  reported to the chat box police.

 think a warning first then  24 hr ban   would be a good idea / then ban for repeating behaviour  
I played on line sats with the player mentioned  in the past and agree he can be a bit over the top but hes not the only one
a lot of new players resort to chat box rather than kicking the cat ...

So who was it? Given it wasn't supposed to be anonymous anyway so no real harm in asking or posting. Obviously im just being nosey

Just be reassured it wasn't banter. Don't think I was only one to report him and think it was mainly the discussing hands while play was still going on and his response when asked not to that got him in hot water

It all seems black and white to me...you have to agree (three times I think it was) before playing these tables...you have to sign up to this.

Dusk Till Dawn Online Club Cash Games are an extention of our Club and the rules will be enforced as strictly as they are in our live club.

1. I agree never to use Online Poker Tracking Software of any type or form on any of these Online Club Cash Game Tables*

2. I agree never to communicate outside of the player chat with any player who is playing at the same table as me

3. I agree to always abide by Dusk Till Dawn Club rules in terms of my etiquette and behaviour

4. I agree that my real name, town of residence and dtd photo will be displayed in the Real Name Display software. This will ONLY be visible to players who are playing against you at the same dusk till dawn online club cash game table. 

I understand that I risk having my online account locked AND live club membership suspended indefinitely should I break any of these room rules



If you don't want to abide by these rules...don't play on these tables...simples.

Didn't know there was a rule about only playing 2 tables.

Is this regulated by the software or do we have to just be honest?


EDIT: Just looked at the OP. It's clear as glass 2 tables NLHE and 2 tables PLO. So how is this regulated?

Onus on the player

4 tables only of any, not 2 of each (this was changed)

I keep an eye on it, only seen one example of it so far and the player contacted me to clarify.

The person concerned does not want to reveal his identity. So I will respect his wishes.

As of tomorrow that luxury will not be available to anyone on these tables and its slightly precious to behave as he did and then want to do it anonymously. Mr X definitely went way beyond banter.

the linking to real people and not nicknames will be in place tomorrow?

Yes, thats the expectation

Probably afternoon sometime

Manual updating by me at the start of a webpage that you will be able to log into , which I will do peak hours

In a few weeks time fully automated with an overlay of real names/locations and pictures as you play..no second log in required

Outrageous  - if only players were as humble and polite as me at the poker tables, Richard.

I lol'd at: Are you sure - yes, are you REALLY sure... com.

Really good to see people facing repercussions to there chat bs.

Will try and play some of these for the bants.

banter is conspicuous by it's absence at the moment, hopefully there will be more when the IRL stuff gets displayed

I thought Mr Giblin was playing some, everybody gets a giggle then.

Hardly ever get to DTD unfortunately and don't play cash. However, I will give it a spin for the cause and hopefully this will be successful.

I've set an account up Tighty, but I've been banned before I even got through the door :D

lol - got to laugh when I saw this alias. Said person posts screenshots on Facebook all the time showing his aliases so hardly that confidential. I think he's been through a fair few ipoker sites being banned for various reasons

Played for a couple of hours last night and really enjoyed it. Keen to support the initiative and encourage as many others who can to give it a spin. Gonna hunt down Rasta Fish................

I thought you were going to talk us through the 5h 2h hand.... :D

Well known Keyboard Warrior, all over Face book, but deep down a nice guy, he is playing heads up with Jas

I like keyboard warrior !

frankie loves keyboard warriors!!!!

Maybe a new range of tshirts along the lines of

(http://www.tribal-tshirts.com/v/vspfiles/photos/frankie_mens-2.jpg)

They are brave behind closed door ! One nite me and Tommy were on the same table in a satelite . This guy here were challenging someone to meet him in Dtd car park . " I will find u he say ! " . But both of them refuse to give their name !!!!
Me and tommy were laughing. What a waste of time all this keyboard warrior

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f74befc119ed5e9e153d106e579845f7/tumblr_mg8yqfQIYE1qgek74o1_500.gif)

I will get that T Shirt actually . It's cool

very close to getting real name display live

if players could email their best poker pic to

pics@dtdpoker.com


it will be added to the real name display

thanks

mr somerville send tighty my river pic, think its quite fitting lol

Done, great to see so many tables rammed last night, things must be going in the right direction...

thanks Sean

It was very busy last night, great to see


Tonight from just before 9pm - LilDave's Omaha night

£0.25-£0.5 up to £5-10 for the big boys

LilDave will be hosting as many tables as he can


Of course the NLHE tables running as normal too.

Hoping to beat last night's records :-)

Is it .....real name and nickname shown on cash?

Is this only for cash?.....ie for tournaments it goes back to just nickname and some dodgy cartoon picture ?

It doesn't affect the image you play with at all


stage 1 players will receive a log in to a members page. go there, click on your table and you will see real names and photos (where we have photos) for everyone at your table - but only tables you are playing on

stage 2 the real name and photo info will overlay the table you are playing on, if you want it to

stage 3, watch this space!

Stage 3, live video feeds. wiiiiiiiiiiii

put some clothes on ffs, you cant JUST wear a hat.


IS IT

Is this link down?

When I checked Tuesday I had £94 plus raked. Today it says I dont exist? Appeciate you're busy Rich so no great rush but just wondered!

Yes its down

While the GP Promo is on, possibly a bit longer as a new promo is coming tomorrow too

so as not to double count the promos (cash game seats and sponsorship pounds) and get effectively a gazillion percent rakeback.

If you signed up before the cash games promo, fine no worries

I thought it might be the clash. I did sign up and play before, will be interested to see the new promo.

1 October £300 deepstack Mega Sats for next week are up and

2 There is an Online Cash Games Club Promotion for the Mega Sats

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/news/october-300-deepstack---100000-gtd/2359

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/includes/tiny_mce/plugins/imagemanager/files/25.9.300-deepstack-sat-tree-Sept-25thsmall.png)

1 Mega Sats 100 seats GTD into the October deepstack from Sunday to Friday, 8.45pm nightly £50+5

2 UNLIMITED Mega Sat seats, one each per 25 points raked (base points) on the Onine club cash games from Saturday to Friday. A new leaderboard will go up

these look great, when are the points accumilated starting from?  midnight tonight or already started?

TIA

Us the 300 going to be a regular tourney? So if I win a seat I can transfer it?

No its for this Deepstack

The Mega Sats are Sunday to Friday and you win a token for those

Today 10am

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The Mega Sats Promo is live....

Rake 25 points per £55 seat, watch the updates this afternoon while you do it

With the GP promo and now the Mega sat proposal is the sponsorship £s promotion defunct? Every time I log on to that page it says the balance isnt available?

To be fair the mega sat thing is proberly better value, just wondering.

The sponsorship promo was taken down with the mega sat on, assume it stays down with the deepstack prmo still on

DTD have said they will honour the sponsorship points for those who signed up before the cash game promos. I assume its coming back, but thats with DTD

Hi guys,

Extra incentive to get involved in our excellent unique Online Club Cash Games this week. We are giving away a £55 MEGA SAT seat to everyone who earns 25 status points.

You can win as many MEGA SAT seats as you like. The MEGA SATS are nightly from now till Friday with 100 Day 1 seats GTD across the week. (20 seats GTD at 8.45pm Mon - Thurs. 10 seats GTD Sun & Fri.)

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/news/300-deepstack-free-seats-promo/2366

Is there a Leaderboard up yet - these point thingies are incredibly base!

Hi we are launching the leaderboard Monday lunch time. To keep a guide of how many points you have roughly its visible in the top left of the table when your playing.

Tan won his seat to the Grand Prix by playing 25p-50p Online on the new club cash games

He earned 50 points, won two seats and turned that into £50,000

Here he is relating the spin up story to Rob afterwards

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0dztZPtUjiw/UkigvW4BuUI/AAAAAAAAibg/YI0R4iQesoc/w400-h597-no/DSC04120.JPG)

The same promo, earn a seat by raking 25 points on  thwe CLub cash games, in this case to win a £55 mega sat seat, is running until Friday

Another spin up would be great!

Unfortunately I didn't manage to spin my entry up to £50k, but I did get my seat and £250 in day 2 money via the DTD cash games.

Dose this mean since he won his seat on the cash game he was a DTD sponsored player and was 50/50?

 

No, he won Day 1 seats, then made DTD then scooped

100% his.

Any news of the leaderboard for the 300 mega-sats, Richard?

Today I hoped, has to be up tomorrow

I will PM you your points before today, to give you an idea

So what the latest regarding real names on cash games?

Tomorrow morning.

Will do an announcement and how you can access the names, barring last minute IT hitches

any updates......i've had a look cant find it


cheers

I was told this morning it would be up today

Looking to launch real name display today, so its busy

Right

Real Name display is live shortly

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/members-area-log-in.php

Everyone who has signed up will get an email with their log in details

Go to the table manager area, then look at active tables, then click on the one you are playing it

You'll only be able to access tables you are sat at and playing

Phase 1 is the back end is being updated manually, as near to real time as possible ie NOW

Phase 2 will be an automatic overlay on tables..a few weeks

Phase 3 is being approved now


Feedback welcome

(http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/includes/tiny_mce/plugins/imagemanager/files/Real_Money_Display.jpg)

Link on mailer doesn't work, and login details provided won't let me log in either

uh huh, have forwarded that on, see what the problem is

Worked ok for me . Changed password. Cool that you cant see others real names until you play ten hands, will stop any abuse :)

Works fine, and looks very good.
Feels like a really good idea, that will encourage some people to play, when they otherwise wouldn't.

Strange based on others comments.

Am on mobile wifi here, will try it again when I get home later.

Working for me :)

yeah there are 20 or so in

PM me if not ok at home, I can take it further for you

no email recieved

Put your real name than instead of someone name !!

I'm logged into the members area, and been playing for 30 mins and it still keeps saying im not even playing and no pictures showing nothing

Maybe a glitch because you changed your screenname?

That's prob why, I didn't even want this screen name :(

Playing 50/1 and 25/50p :) Not got the real name display thing working yet, but have emailed support.

Come and join me. My nickname is kinboshii ;bumwiggle;

Change it to xxDtdOnlineProxx . That will very famous

1/2 anyone? I'm sat 8)

How do I know how many points I have earnt towards the £300 sat seats if I had some points prior to Saturday?

the leaderboard is up for this week, the points on it are up to midnight last night

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/free-seats-leaderboard.php

so you had 9.34 points

you played today so check tomorrow lunchtime for the update including today's points

once you hit 25 on the leaderboard the token is credited in time to play a mega sat that evening

The player information was working earlier, does not seem to be now  :(

It is, I have just updated it

Remember it is manual update for a few weeks. I get to it as soon as I can

Have just updated your two tables

ok I see, thanks.

Another Great Promo here from DTD....just wish i could make the £300 this month, as i would be hammering the hell out of it....

Hopefully be able to keep in the flow of things when the Sponsership is in play too, as that is possibly the best rakeback scheme EVER....

Even my absolute disgust of the iPoker network wont keep me from playin!!

When are the updates of leaderboard?

Been told it was 10am....then 12 midday, but just checked, nothing has changed

Cheers

early afternoon is when I look, as I said to Liam

Cardrooms like to sponsor players who promote their brand and promos are designed to encourage people to play.

Writing about your absolute disgust of the iPoker network tends to have the opposite effect.


Just sayin.....

OMAHA NIGHT!

Hi Guys! As always, wednesday is PLO night and I'll be hosting games from 10p/20p to £5/£10, will be great fun! Hope to see you all there!

Rich, Not had e mail to confirm for cash games, been playing them but don't know why not?

WILL PM YOU

Cheers Rich

and by my stating that i will still play a large, if not all, percentage of my cash games on here now must state how good i think DTD ,and their brand, is.

Pretty sure i am allowed an opinion, on a public forum.....

Also, im prob the only player i know that actually likes the IPN/Boss room that DTD was on way back when......Not DTDs fault that i don't particularly like the visuals of iPoker...

Sorry mate, I wasn't having a pop, and I didn't say you were not allowed an opinion, I was merely airing mine.

FWIW I think saying you don't particularly like the visuals is much more constructive than being absolutely disgusted.

Ok cool

Fair do's

.....cuddle!? :)

 :kiss:

Ready for some PLO in half an hour guys???

:-P

We're already playing    ....     huh, to Johnnycomelatelys!

The £300 Deepstack is now online +1 re-entry. tokens can be used to get two seats for the first buy-in and the online re-entry if you wish

Do cash game base points earned today still count towards tokens for tonight's satellite? I still need a few for another seat.

cut off for the promo is midday tomorrow, and there is a mega satellite tomorrow night

Excellent!

Ty

sigh, i'm on the pure bubble of a seat!

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Sure I played enough yesterday to get one, any chance they haven't been updated yet? Would like to play tonight using the token if possible.

Apologies I'm sure this has been asked before but I've not been reading the thread much.

not updated for yesterday's play yet (any time now)

You'll definitely have a token, maybe two, to play tonight/tomorrow

p.s thanks for playing. Its appreciated, even if you "can't make a hand", show J-2 and other ruses lol

Leaderboard is updated

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/free-seats-leaderboard.php

I've crossed the line since then Rich, but no token showing yet. Will it appear later maybe?

will appear tomorrow, and any token for crossing the next threshold tomorrow too

I thought I'd crossed the line a couple of days ago, obviously not.

So I can't use it tonight obv?

No, they are credited after the leaderboard updates

there is a final mega-sat tomorrow night

Ooh! I was so close too.

Hi Guys,

Can see some confusion here:

If you are today on the updated leaderboard having won a token yesterday your token has been credited.

All those who win a seat get an email from me as soon as the tokens are credited so please check your inboxes :)

Glenn

Glenn is 'The Bag Man'.

Is this a compliment?

For us guys who signed up before the GP seat promotion, where can we see how many DTD sponsorship £'s were have earned?

Hi Guys

The Real Name Display RND is LIVE.....

If you haven't already please sign up for the exclusive Online Club Cash Games at dtdpoker.com and experience the new RND (You don't need to sign up again if you already have)

You will then be emailed your Members Area Log in details to view the RND for your tables.

We have uploaded as many photos as we can but some of you are more camera shy than others....

If you haven't yet got a photo up please email one to pics@dtdpoker.com with your nickname OR we will stick up the ugliest photo of you we can find (we have one from Reception we can use......they are UGLY)

So that you can see how ugly they are here is the one of me  ;scarymoment;

Send in those photos guys you have until Friday 11th Oct or the ugly one goes up!!!!!

You have been warned....

Cheers Nicola

Rich, can you tell me how many base points I have before the daily update please?

I have you earning 37.94 yesterday across five sessions.. Add thatto yesterday's leaderboard figure

p.s thanks for playing. Shame about the photo

Wiiiiiiii

So is tonight's super satty a re-buy or a re-entry?

Not sure

Last night's was meant to be +1 re-entry but it was already set up and i-poker and excuses excuses

Nicola would know if tonight's can be changed. I'm headed for the M1 to Nottingham before the Friday traffic

It's billed as a re-buy

Link is here (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/dtd-sponsor-pounds.php)

Although I don't think it's up and running as I registered over a week ago, and am still earning DTD points when I rake.

I asked about this when i signed up and the answer was that you accumulate DTD points as usual until you hit the threshold figure to go into a sponsorship deal. £100 rake in a month iirc

Correct, as far as I'm aware.

I hit the threshold about two weeks ago, and therefore regged for the sponsorship pounds.  Will get onto DTD, appreciate they have been super busy with the GP anf DS, so hadn't wanted to bother them.

I used to get a running total on that Link. Now all I get is a message saying I need to sign up for DTD cash games?

Can anybody from dtd clarify this. I've certainly exceeded the £100 rake threshold.

I tried reverse engineering the points from cash game history and think I just got over £100 from 01/09-30/09...be nice to know though :)

Apparently, it is a re-buy.



Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK12136044496X

Sarah: hello, please can you give me your GQRnumber, email address and name to locate your account?

you: I don't know what a gsq number is

Sarah: That's ok, how can I help?

you: Is the DTD £50+5 satellite tonight a re-buy or a re-entry please?

Sarah: It's a re-buy but you have to be down to 1 or 0 chips

you: Are you absolutley positive?

Sarah: Yes

Has the free seat promo finished now or is there an update on the leader board due for today?

Cheers

It's just been updated Tim.

Thxx Tom - good playing with you last night! If I had known it was you earlier no way I shove with Aq lol

Never have understood rake/points etc.

Could have sworn it said I did 28 points last night but not enough according to chart.

Better go rob the old woman's purse!

on the edge of 20points, if I play cash on line tonight and accumulate 25pts am I eligible to the satellite tonight? if not does my points roll over till the next £300.00 d/s?

No, its the position as at the leaderboard published today

No you can't roll poiints over


As of Monday there is a new DTD token scheme (and new cash promo) and far more flexibility on use of tokens/seats being introduced, both of which I hope will be popular

Will put it all on here when the functionality has been added

Nicola will be contacting everyone who signed up to the Sponsorship Pounds Personally

The scheme was live until the GP Cash games seart promo went live, at which point the scheme went off DTD's site and blonde and wasn't accepting new entries.

So bear with her please all those raising questions on here

Good Evening,

The leader board is showing 21.47 point earned, whilst the DTD site is showing 27.03  earned. ( as from yesterday evening) . Is this correct?

Is the promotion finished?

David

One is base points, one will be reward points. the lovwer figure - base points - is what the promotion works on

The Deepstack promotion ended today, yes


A new DTD tokens scheme, and ongoing promotion starts on Monday. I will post full details over the weekend.