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Title: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 02, 2013, 11:15:34 PM
I'm looking for short term backing for my regular 180man games which are $3 rebuys, $8s and $15s. It would only be a short term deal for around a week or so, for ease sake I will set the staking for my next 1500 games, I will be playing everyday. I would carry on the stake if I was in make up until we are breakeven. I will posts results itt after every session.
 
I'm looking for 100% backing for a 70/30 split in my favour, I think with my results in these games this is a fair split.

Reason for staking is I'm busto basically, on a pretty brutal breakeven stretch which is now around 7k games. I'm not concerned that this is anything other than variance, I'm well aware that it's a lot of games but there are other good regs who've gone through similar, and even worse downswings. Plus I know my ranges are solid and I'm studying a ton so I'm still very confident with my game.

I suggest a starting roll of $2000, we could need to reload but I would hope this would be enough especially with the downswing I've been on.

My lifetime results are as follows :

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One backer would obviously be easier but I'm happy to do this with multiple backers. I will start playing as soon as % sells and money is shipped.

10% = $200
5% = $100

Send to mondonewc on Stars or pm for bank details.

Cheers for reading.

Flame away.

MC 10%


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: outragous76 on September 02, 2013, 11:30:15 PM
is that right 70/30 to you?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 02, 2013, 11:32:50 PM
is that right 70/30 to you?

Yep, I asked two regs what split they thought was fair, one said 60/40 me, other said 75/25 me, I thought 70/30 and stuck with that.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 02, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
Ill take 5 for the sweats.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 02, 2013, 11:44:56 PM
Ill take 5 for the sweats.

Booked, cheers.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: c4ught on September 03, 2013, 12:06:18 AM
5 as well please.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 12:06:40 AM
5 as well please.

Booked, cheers.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Longy on September 03, 2013, 12:07:29 AM
Give me 10 Ray.

Which idiot suggsted 75/25!


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 12:08:25 AM
Give me 10 Ray.

Which idiot suggsted 75/25!

Lolz.

Booked, cheers.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 12:25:45 AM
10% reserved.

60% left.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 06:12:07 AM
5% please.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 01:32:14 PM
5% please.

Booked, cheers.

Guess this isn't going to sell though, thanks everyone for the interest anyways.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: cambridgealex on September 03, 2013, 01:33:37 PM
You get 70% of profits and investors 30%? That can't be right surely?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2013, 01:45:18 PM
I was doing the maths earlier and I think it works out something like to double my $200 investment the initial roll would need to be turned from $2000 into $8660.

I would have made $200 profit and horse would have made $4662.

Am I being dumb and way off the mark??

10% of $2k = $200, so roll of $4k = $2k profit (2000/10x7 = 1400) leaves 600 remaining for investors so 10% = $60 x3.33 = $200

Confused. :dontask:


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: c4ught on September 03, 2013, 01:54:06 PM
If it is 30% investor 70% for you I withdraw my reserve unfortunately.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 02:00:21 PM
You get 70% of profits and investors 30%? That can't be right surely?

FWIW I was the reg who said 60/40 in rays favour, and I don't think that 70/30 is unreasonable given the nature of this package.  This is a decent reg selling 1.5k games in which he is a proven winner over a 40k game sample with a decent ROI (not a small number of games where guys are taking shots at higher buy ins).  There is also MU offered on the package which wont end till it at least breaks even, so as long as you have a top up or two this package is extremely low risk opportunity.

I can think of a several stables that would snap Ray off at 70/30 but tie him to a 10k game contract or something rediculous which obviously he wants to avoid.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 02:01:14 PM
You get 70% of profits and investors 30%? That can't be right surely?

You realise the difference between a 70/30 deal for a one off mtt staking as opposed to this where I crush these games and unless investors think I can no longer beat these games it's a fair proposal ??

The only point that could be made is the short term part of the deal, but I've said it wouldn't end if in make up, so backer at worst will b/e, I've been beating these games at around $2 per game long term, the fact I've had a huge b/e stretch means that short term a massive upswing could very probably be on the way, unless of course my results mean I'm now terrible so therefore don't invest. If I did win @ $2 p/g for the duration then $3k profit means a 10% investment would return a $90 return so roi of 45%,

So yeah, it can be right, people don't want to invest which is there prerogative, I won't be adjusting the split.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 02:03:02 PM
I was doing the maths earlier and I think it works out something like to double my $200 investment the initial roll would need to be turned from $2000 into $8660.

I would have made $200 profit and horse would have made $4662.

Am I being dumb and way off the mark??

10% of $2k = $200, so roll of $4k = $2k profit (2000/10x7 = 1400) leaves 600 remaining for investors so 10% = $60 x3.33 = $200

Confused. :dontask:

Nah if you bought the full $2k and the roll was doubled, you get your 2k stake back + 30% of the $2k profit, so $2600 total ($2k+$600).  Ray doesnt get to keep any of the stake.

The stake is refunded in full, and the profits are split 70/30.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 02:07:22 PM
Reserve all. Just want to speak via pm regarding something. Can you get my skype off tomsom?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: cambridgealex on September 03, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
My bad. I'm being dumb. As you were.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 02:11:29 PM
That can't be right surely?

Quoted for all your future staking threads :P


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: outragous76 on September 03, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
I don't want to comment too much, but in short

This opportunity is a terrible "punt", as returns are going to be marginal. However the reality is it is structured to the punters market

But, it is relatively low risk - but again that's not a punters MO

It seems to me to benefit Ray exponentially more than investors, and the fact it is short term increases that gap


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 02:15:39 PM
I don't want to comment too much, but in short

This opportunity is a terrible "punt", as returns are going to be marginal. However the reality is it is structured to the punters market

But, it is relatively low risk - but again that's not a punters MO

It seems to me to benefit Ray exponentially more than investors, and the fact it is short term increases that gap

I'm not even going to bother replying properly to this post other than to say you literally haven't got a clue what your talking about, unlike others though I couldn't give a shit if you want to keep posting complete bollocks itt, feel free.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
I don't want to comment too much, but in short

This opportunity is a terrible "punt"

(http://forums.riftgame.com/attachments/general-discussion/8085d1346098178t-some-respect-please-not-sure-if-serious.jpg)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 02:18:02 PM
I don't want to comment too much, but in short

This opportunity is a terrible "punt", as returns are going to be marginal. However the reality is it is structured to the punters market

But, it is relatively low risk - but again that's not a punters MO

It seems to me to benefit Ray exponentially more than investors, and the fact it is short term increases that gap
You realise he isn't quitting in makeup ever? So by providing capital you essentially breakeven at worst? Seems like a good deal to me. I mean I've just woken up and been offered the chance of some free money which i've decided to take. If it wasn't for that caveat I wouldn't be interested at such a split. Gonna suck for ray if he breaks even for 7k more games but I have the faith.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: ForthThistle on September 03, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
I don't want to comment too much, but in short

This opportunity is a terrible "punt", as returns are going to be marginal. However the reality is it is structured to the punters market

But, it is relatively low risk - but again that's not a punters MO

It seems to me to benefit Ray exponentially more than investors, and the fact it is short term increases that gap
You realise he isn't quitting in makeup ever? So by providing capital you essentially breakeven at worst? Seems like a good deal to me. I mean I've just woken up and been offered the chance of some free money which i've decided to take. If it wasn't for that caveat I wouldn't be interested at such a split. Gonna suck for ray if he breaks even for 7k more games but I have the faith.

Hope he wins the world for you.
Good Luck Adam and Ray.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 02:21:16 PM
Hope he wins the world for you.
Good Luck Adam and Ray.

HANG ON BITCH!!!!!!!

Ill take 5 for the sweats.

Booked, cheers.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: outragous76 on September 03, 2013, 02:22:19 PM
hang on!

Let me explain, it IS a terrible "punt"

it is NOT a terrible short term investment

The point I am making is that there is a tiny chance backers will make say 2x 3x 4x their money! This isn't why punters (like me) invest in people. We do it for the potential bink (and probably also because we like people), I would have taken a piece just to help you out, but not on these terms

I make it quite clear that it is a VERY LOW RISK investment in my post

HOWEVER, the majority of people on here are taking pieces for potential returns

Im sorry if you think Im wrong, but Im not. Hence it hasn't flown off the shelves as advertised.

You are far more likely to get a 1 off investor for the lot than a series of 5% etc


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: outragous76 on September 03, 2013, 02:23:14 PM
I don't want to comment too much, but in short

This opportunity is a terrible "punt", as returns are going to be marginal. However the reality is it is structured to the punters market

But, it is relatively low risk - but again that's not a punters MO

It seems to me to benefit Ray exponentially more than investors, and the fact it is short term increases that gap
You realise he isn't quitting in makeup ever? So by providing capital you essentially breakeven at worst? Seems like a good deal to me. I mean I've just woken up and been offered the chance of some free money which i've decided to take. If it wasn't for that caveat I wouldn't be interested at such a split. Gonna suck for ray if he breaks even for 7k more games but I have the faith.

yes I do - try reading my post again

it quite clearly says it is low risk


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: ForthThistle on September 03, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
Hope he wins the world for you.
Good Luck Adam and Ray.

HANG ON BITCH!!!!!!!

Ill take 5 for the sweats.

Booked, cheers.

Oops Sorry Sir.
As you were.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2013, 02:31:15 PM
I was doing the maths earlier and I think it works out something like to double my $200 investment the initial roll would need to be turned from $2000 into $8660.

I would have made $200 profit and horse would have made $4662.

Am I being dumb and way off the mark??

10% of $2k = $200, so roll of $4k = $2k profit (2000/10x7 = 1400) leaves 600 remaining for investors so 10% = $60 x3.33 = $200

Confused. :dontask:

Nah if you bought the full $2k and the roll was doubled, you get your 2k stake back + 30% of the $2k profit, so $2600 total ($2k+$600).  Ray doesnt get to keep any of the stake.

The stake is refunded in full, and the profits are split 70/30.

Obv Monda doesn't keep any of the stake (unless you consider rakeback as stake)

I think you have just rewritten what I said but as a full investor. 10% = $60 per double up to investor basically (excluding returned stake) and $1400 per double up to horse. So to double my investment the whole roll would have to be $8.6k no? I'm not here to quible, I just wanted to confirm my understanding as there was defo some confusion.

I think what Guy is saying is it is terrible "punt" for a "punter" like me who dreams of getting rich quick. Nothing against Ray, in reality it's a zero risk investment assuming you can afford to keep reloading and Monda doesn't do a dissapearing act.. but with small returns.

I think I will just have to rely on Dubai or Eso to pay for the Milligan's Xmas this year. Turkey pot noodles it is... again


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 02:36:08 PM
If you keep making these investments you will very quickly start making a lot of money for an extremely low risk.

If you check the early posts of my stable graph in my diary you can see how investing small amounts at low risk can build up quickly into something worth having.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: outragous76 on September 03, 2013, 02:38:19 PM
If you keep making these investments you will very quickly start making a lot of money for an extremely low risk.

If you check the early posts of my stable graph in my diary you can see how investing small amounts at low risk can build up quickly into something worth having.

this isn't disputed,

but not many people invest 200 to return 250 on these boards. The fact the period is capped isn't an incentive either



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2013, 02:49:31 PM
If you keep making these investments you will very quickly start making a lot of money for an extremely low risk.

If you check the early posts of my stable graph in my diary you can see how investing small amounts at low risk can build up quickly into something worth having.

I'm not sure if I just take your posts the wrong way or it's because I have never met you irl but you often seem to come across as quite patronising.

If that was your attention this is my response: If you check the early posts in my Way of the N!T thread (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57248.0) you will see I am an expert in investing small amounts at low risk to build up quickly into something worth having.

If that wasn't your attention this is my response: As you were (that seems to be the common theme itt)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2013, 02:52:35 PM
Snap receive 2 messages that you are a nice guy, so you can take the second response. Although first 20 pages of that thread are defo worth a read.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: cambridgealex on September 03, 2013, 02:59:46 PM
Snap receive 2 messages that you are a nice guy

Trolls


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2013, 03:02:23 PM
Snap receive 2 messages that you are a nice guy

Trolls

Duplicate accounts?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
I see absolutely no point or value in any of your posts itt Guy, it's quite blatantly obvious you aren't going to get rich off this stake.

I fail to see how the fact this proposal isn't basically just a punt is a bad thing, if you want the excitement of one off 4/5 fig scores don't invest in my thread, to come in and make the posts you have is just disrespectful, and I'm pretty thick skinned and don't really care but it's a bit of a joke.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 03:08:41 PM
Certainly not my intention to sound patronising, though I've learnt on several occasions already that messages can be read completely different to how they were meant to sound.

I just think coming ITT and saying that this is a bad punt is a bit of joke.  It is not meant to be a punt, it's a solid investment and IMO is one that is worth making.  Snap received 2 PM's that I'm a nice guy though?  I know for a fact someones getting levelled  ;D

On the plus side though Ray, this has been great for publicity.  You've got bros everywhere......


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: outragous76 on September 03, 2013, 03:11:44 PM
Absolutely nothing I have said in this thread is disrespectful to you mate! Zero!

All I did was point out the obvious! And maybe highlight a reason why it hasn't flown of the shelves (in a piecemeal manner).

If I have pissed you off Im sorry, But Milligan can confirm that I am on your side in this. Feel free to ask him about the nice things I said about you (and Tomsom) by text.

I notice that you didn't highlight anything that Dave said ITT? Which is basically the same as I have said!

If you wanna have the hump feel free, but no harm intended.  At the end of the day ALL staking threads speak for themselves don't they.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 03:17:29 PM
Absolutely nothing I have said in this thread is disrespectful to you mate! Zero!

All I did was point out the obvious! And maybe highlight a reason why it hasn't flown of the shelves (in a piecemeal manner).

If I have pissed you off Im sorry, But Milligan can confirm that I am on your side in this. Feel free to ask him about the nice things I said about you (and Tomsom) by text.

I notice that you didn't highlight anything that Dave said ITT? Which is basically the same as I have said!

If you wanna have the hump feel free, but no harm intended.  At the end of the day ALL staking threads speak for themselves don't they.



Dave's posts seemed genuinely confused about the proposal.

Everyone's entitled to say anything they like, and so they should.

I don't do humps btw, well not those kind.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
you like dem wangs?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
So anyway...

Since I put the thread up my new PC that I grind off has decided it no longer wishes to co-operate when I press the on button, go figure, so I need to get that sorted out, hopefully today.

Team

MC 10%
Tomsom 5%
Longy 10%
Nico 5%
Adam 70%

Go ahead and ship by preferred method please and hopefully I will have this sorted today and can grind from tmoro.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2013, 03:25:13 PM
Just for transparency I have taken one off "punts" in Ray numerous times in the past but never invested in a 180s package. I assume he knows I think he's a deece guy and a good enough poker player to put my own money behind. Not that I just came in and said "it's a bad punt", I do think it's a great small gains investment but not a get rich "punting" opportunity for me personally and can confirm I wasn't 100% sure of the maths, can also confirm that Guy loves Monda and has only had good things to say.

sorry Mond, will be my last post. Much love and GL.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 03:29:01 PM
I would also like to say for transparency that Ray and I looked at some HH's last night and I can confirm that I left the session feeling very good about myself and my game.

Will ship now.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: celtic on September 03, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
I hate monda and timdim equally.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 03:32:03 PM
I hate monda and timdim equally.

That's bullshit, I've been around a lot longer than domtum, you should hate me much more.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 03:36:38 PM
I hate monda and timdim equally.

That's bullshit, I've been around a lot longer than domtum, you should hate me much more.



macdonalds though?!!?!


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 03:42:29 PM
I hate monda and timdim equally.

That's bullshit, I've been around a lot longer than domtum, you should hate me much more.

Couldn't disagree more.  Ive got an NVQ Level 4 in Arseholery, you could only aspire to make it to that level.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: the sicilian on September 03, 2013, 03:46:34 PM
I hate monda and timdim equally.

That's bullshit, I've been around a lot longer than domtum, you should hate me much more.

Couldn't disagree more.  Ive got an NVQ Level 4 in Arseholery, you could only aspire to make it to that level.

mental image that cannot be retrieved


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: celtic on September 03, 2013, 03:47:54 PM
I hate monda and timdim equally.

That's bullshit, I've been around a lot longer than domtum, you should hate me much more.

Couldn't disagree more.  Ive got an NVQ Level 4 in Arseholery, you could only aspire to make it to that level.

mental image that cannot be retrieved

Lol


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 03:54:53 PM
Funds sent. If you need any stars for a few days while BT comes in then let me know.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 04:02:23 PM
So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is 70 / 30 in your favour, right?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 04:04:32 PM
So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is 70 / 30 in your favour, right?

Yep.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 04:06:15 PM
So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is 70 / 30 in your favour, right?

Yep.

70 / 30?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 04:06:41 PM
So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is 70 / 30 in your favour, right?

Yep.

70 / 30?


after stakeback without ever leaving in makeup yes.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 04:06:56 PM
I hate monda and timdim equally.

That's bullshit, I've been around a lot longer than domtum, you should hate me much more.



macdonalds though?!!?!

THIS FFS WATS GOING ON UPDATES


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is 70 / 30 in your favour, right?

Yep.

70 / 30?


after stakeback without ever leaving in makeup yes.


In ray's favour?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 04:10:56 PM
I play these games pretty often, they are soft as hell and Ray is printing money in them as one of the best regs out there.

I have to admit at first I thought 70/30 in his favour might be a touch high, but don't think there's much in it at all.

Also think it's nice that as a community we can help out those under it a little.

Good luck mate, $100 shipped from Dreamfinder.

Crush it!



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 04:12:24 PM
So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is 70 / 30 in your favour, right?

Yep.

70 / 30?


after stakeback without ever leaving in makeup yes.


In ray's favour?


do me a favour love :P


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 04:14:54 PM

can you just run it By me again plz?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 04:17:17 PM

alas, i'm not a runner.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 04:19:55 PM


Au contraire...



(http://www.saa.co.uk/art/32292/images/large/66283.jpg)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lriaismIO51qb972po1_500.gif)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5108158464/h6E29939C/)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: redsimon on September 03, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
Good luck Ray and investors


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 04:35:35 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: celtic on September 03, 2013, 04:36:34 PM
Sorry.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

With respect, this is a public forum. People post their opinions on the topics that interest them, just as you have.

The vast majority, if not all of the posters on here wish Ray the very best, myself included.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2013, 04:47:20 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

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Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Amatay on September 03, 2013, 04:51:26 PM
gl Ray


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: GreekStein on September 03, 2013, 05:10:07 PM
I don't want to comment too much, but in short

This opportunity is a terrible "punt", as returns are going to be marginal. However the reality is it is structured to the punters market

But, it is relatively low risk - but again that's not a punters MO

It seems to me to benefit Ray exponentially more than investors, and the fact it is short term increases that gap

Funny how you didn't point out the 'terrible punt' part of the MTT thread you had.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

With respect, this is a public forum. People post their opinions on the topics that interest them, just as you have.

The vast majority, if not all of the posters on here wish Ray the very best, myself included.


In a public forum there may be topics such as "RIP Mr Smith" In this topic it would be seen as rude and disgusting behaviour to go around posting such pictures. Perhaps a topic such as this should be classified as the same? Not all threads on public forums require the same decorum when it comes to posting.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 05:33:21 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

With respect, this is a public forum. People post their opinions on the topics that interest them, just as you have.

The vast majority, if not all of the posters on here wish Ray the very best, myself included.


In a public forum there may be topics such as "RIP Mr Smith" In this topic it would be seen as rude and disgusting behaviour to go around posting such pictures. Perhaps a topic such as this should be classified as the same? Not all threads on public forums require the same decorum when it comes to posting.

Agree completely. Annoying de-rails itt.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: kinboshi on September 03, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

With respect, this is a public forum. People post their opinions on the topics that interest them, just as you have.

The vast majority, if not all of the posters on here wish Ray the very best, myself included.


In a public forum there may be topics such as "RIP Mr Smith" In this topic it would be seen as rude and disgusting behaviour to go around posting such pictures. Perhaps a topic such as this should be classified as the same? Not all threads on public forums require the same decorum when it comes to posting.

Agree completely. Annoying de-rails itt.

Yeah, Ray's posts ruin it.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 05:37:59 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

With respect, this is a public forum. People post their opinions on the topics that interest them, just as you have.

The vast majority, if not all of the posters on here wish Ray the very best, myself included.


In a public forum there may be topics such as "RIP Mr Smith" In this topic it would be seen as rude and disgusting behaviour to go around posting such pictures. Perhaps a topic such as this should be classified as the same? Not all threads on public forums require the same decorum when it comes to posting.

This should be classified the same as a RIP thread?

Do you think referring to other people's posts as "Mindless drivel" would be fitting in that case?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 05:40:56 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

With respect, this is a public forum. People post their opinions on the topics that interest them, just as you have.

The vast majority, if not all of the posters on here wish Ray the very best, myself included.


In a public forum there may be topics such as "RIP Mr Smith" In this topic it would be seen as rude and disgusting behaviour to go around posting such pictures. Perhaps a topic such as this should be classified as the same? Not all threads on public forums require the same decorum when it comes to posting.

This should be classified the same as a RIP thread?

Do you think referring to other people's posts as "Mindless drivel" would be fitting in that case?
No but having some respect for a professional trying to get some backing might be worthwhile. You can completely ignore the gist of my points if you want but I'm clearly not going to change your mind so w.e.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 05:45:05 PM
Why on earth is this thread getting spammed? A professional poker player is trying to sort backing out so he can continue playing and he has had to cope with some absolutely ridiculous posts in the thread. This is unbelievably tilting and wouldn't be tolerated in a DTD thread or in many other topics in the forum. I have no clue what people are doing. So far we have had someone try to invest who completely failed to read the 70/30 part, about 3 people pop up and go what 70/30 are you serious, and then a bunch of other mindless drivel. Honestly, find some other thread for this.

With respect, this is a public forum. People post their opinions on the topics that interest them, just as you have.

The vast majority, if not all of the posters on here wish Ray the very best, myself included.


In a public forum there may be topics such as "RIP Mr Smith" In this topic it would be seen as rude and disgusting behaviour to go around posting such pictures. Perhaps a topic such as this should be classified as the same? Not all threads on public forums require the same decorum when it comes to posting.

This should be classified the same as a RIP thread?

Do you think referring to other people's posts as "Mindless drivel" would be fitting in that case?
No but having some respect for a professional trying to get some backing might be worthwhile. You can completely ignore the gist of my points if you want but I'm clearly not going to change your mind so w.e.


I'm not ignoring your points, I'm just disagreeing with you, and I'm managing to do it without saying that what you write is mindless drivel.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Hi Adam

Not sure if Ray is unhappy? Suspect not but he can let us know

It makes no difference if a Pro or an amateur asks for staking. Its an open thread, and people are entitled to question the terms of any staking, whether as onlookers or whether as potential investors

Any humour/de-rail etc is no different to any other "normal" blonde thread, staking or not and I think you are being a little precious, and exaggerating quite a lot, to seek to compare it to any "RIP" thread where I have never ever seen any humour or de-rail in 8 years of blonde and counting

cheers


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: GreekStein on September 03, 2013, 05:48:19 PM

Not sure if Ray is unhappy?

depends how many beers deep he is


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 06:03:21 PM
Hi Adam

Not sure if Ray is unhappy? Suspect not but he can let us know

It makes no difference if a Pro or an amateur asks for staking. Its an open thread, and people are entitled to question the terms of any staking, whether as onlookers or whether as potential investors

Any humour/de-rail etc is no different to any other "normal" blonde thread, staking or not and I think you are being a little precious, and exaggerating quite a lot, to seek to compare it to any "RIP" thread where I have never ever seen any humour or de-rail in 8 years of blonde and counting

cheers

Meh don't think Adam is being precious at all.

So many dubious posts itt it's amazing.

Op asks for staking, gets told he's a terrible punt by somebody, and then a few people start posting pictures and act like children over what the 'deal' is.

Thankfully due to OP's rep he's sold out in no time, but I can totally see why someone might find the whole de-rail of fred as off putting from an actual staking point of view.

Obv being a bit of a hypocrite by debating this whole thing myself, let's just get back to the poker.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 06:04:22 PM
really doubt anyone is going to back ray that already doesn't know him and/or wouldn't find at least some of the drivel funny.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 06:06:37 PM

Not sure if Ray is unhappy?

depends how many beers deep he is

Oioiiiiiiii

Everyone's entitled to say anything they like, and so they should.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2013, 06:06:46 PM
He wasn't told he was a terrible punt, he was told his stake package was a terrible punt. Not words I would have used, but some people don't do constructive criticism.

If Ray was at all unhappy, he could have had a word with a mod. He didn't

All this coming to his defence over something where he's quite capable of fighting his own corner, and indeed did is a bit odd, in my opinion


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 06:09:21 PM
the 'terrible punt' was an awful statement.

trying to say +ev stake, low variance but ITS TERRIBLE because i'm a degen is ridic.

Questioning the payouts I have no problem with, asking for justification fine. but coming in and giving your own opinion based on your own personal criteria then preaching that it's a terrible stake is bad form imo.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
He wasn't told he was a terrible punt, he was told his stake package was a terrible punt. Not words I would have used, but some people don't do constructive criticism.

If Ray was at all unhappy, he could have had a word with a mod. He didn't

All this coming to his defence over something where he's quite capable of fighting his own corner, and indeed did is a bit odd, in my opinion

Don't see how it's odd, just my opinion.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 06:12:52 PM
Hi Adam

Not sure if Ray is unhappy? Suspect not but he can let us know

It makes no difference if a Pro or an amateur asks for staking. Its an open thread, and people are entitled to question the terms of any staking, whether as onlookers or whether as potential investors

Any humour/de-rail etc is no different to any other "normal" blonde thread, staking or not and I think you are being a little precious, and exaggerating quite a lot, to seek to compare it to any "RIP" thread where I have never ever seen any humour or de-rail in 8 years of blonde and counting

cheers
I was simply using the first example that sprang to mind of a thread in which such posts would not be welcome. This appears to have made my point irrelevant. Open thread or not I don't think it is right to be posting like this in someones topic. And I certainly think it makes a difference when it is a poster who is playing for a living compared to if not. If a conversation like this sprung up in one of my schedule posts I would not mind so much, but Ray is clearly in a bit of a situation, and I thought this would be a reason to have a little respect.


Exchanges like this are incredibly a touch frustrating for me and I would imagine so for Ray as well. It isn't constructive in anyway at all. I don't see why this should be allowed in the staking boards. I know Tomsom posted a few pics as well, but his were regarding the comments in the topic. I'm not sure why if I have an opinion I am being precious? Why would you choose this word? I am a investor in this topic/package and have an interest in seeing it nice and clean with easy access to updates. I am not fighting Ray's corner, I am fighting mine as an investor in both this package and the marketplace.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2013, 06:16:02 PM
comparing it to a RIP thread was the precious part, I thought.

Makes absolutely no difference if a person seeking staking is a Pro or not, we're pretty clear on that on blonde most of the time

Anyway, everyone wishes Ray all the best


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 06:17:04 PM


Obv being a bit of a hypocrite by debating this whole thing myself, let's just get back to the poker.




Basically then, you know your being a hypocrite, but you still want to have your say and then lets get back to the poker.

So your different from the rest of us how?



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 03, 2013, 06:18:41 PM
comparing it to a RIP thread was the precious part, I thought.

Makes absolutely no difference if a person seeking staking is a Pro or not, we're pretty clear on that on blonde most of the time

Anyway, everyone wishes Ray all the best

Professional who has been openly honest about being extremely short of cash.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 06:19:40 PM
comparing it to a RIP thread was the precious part, I thought.

Makes absolutely no difference if a person seeking staking is a Pro or not, we're pretty clear on that on blonde most of the time

Anyway, everyone wishes Ray all the best

Professional who has been openly honest about being extremely short of cash.

Ah, I see.


RIP Ray's roll.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2013, 06:21:54 PM
comparing it to a RIP thread was the precious part, I thought.

Makes absolutely no difference if a person seeking staking is a Pro or not, we're pretty clear on that on blonde most of the time

Anyway, everyone wishes Ray all the best

Professional who has been openly honest about being extremely short of cash.

A much respected part of the blonde forum, well liked and someone EVERYONE wants to see succeed

If the proposal is ok, he'd sell out if someone put up six you tube episodes of the Simpsons, a picture of them juggling fruit pastilles and poems in ode to Jason Herbert in between every post

Really Adam, the de-rails are not a big deal, or not as big a deal as you think they are

Its irrelevant whether he's a pro or not

He got staked, we'll all concentrate on the updates when they start and this "noise" will be gone


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 03, 2013, 06:24:57 PM
tbf Red Dog whooshed me the first time, I am not pleased to say :s


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 06:26:28 PM


Obv being a bit of a hypocrite by debating this whole thing myself, let's just get back to the poker.




Basically then, you know your being a hypocrite, but you still want to have your say and then lets get back to the poker.

So your different from the rest of us how?



Sighs.

I only said that because it sounds hypocritical for me to continue to debate and thus almost de-rail this thread myself.

However, I felt I needed to reply to both your and Tightend's comments.

As someone who is normally a huge fan of your posts Mr Dog, you've massively disappointed me here.

Surely you can see how when someone is massively under it, that a series of childish questions and pictures added on to the 'terrible punt' comment, are not exactly helpful?

I know monda doesn't seem to mind so fair do's, but i'm still entitled to my opinion and I believe 90% of this thread is indeed mindless drivel.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 06:34:19 PM


Obv being a bit of a hypocrite by debating this whole thing myself, let's just get back to the poker.




Basically then, you know your being a hypocrite, but you still want to have your say and then lets get back to the poker.

So your different from the rest of us how?



Sighs.

I only said that because it sounds hypocritical for me to continue to debate and thus almost de-rail this thread myself.

However, I felt I needed to reply to both your and Tightend's comments.

As someone who is normally a huge fan of your posts Mr Dog, you've massively disappointed me here.

Surely you can see how when someone is massively under it, that a series of childish questions and pictures added on to the 'terrible punt' comment, are not exactly helpful?

I know monda doesn't seem to mind so fair do's, but i'm still entitled to my opinion and I believe 90% of this thread is indeed mindless drivel.




Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but you seem to think that others are not.

OK, Ray is under it. No one is ill, no one has died.

A gambler is short of cash. Well forgive me if I don't start crying.

I happen to be a good friend of Ray's and If I though he would be upset by my joking around I certainly wouldn't do it.

Take my advice. Save all the sympathy and outrage you can muster and use it on something that really matters.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: nirvana on September 03, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
All this coming to his defence over something where he's quite capable of fighting his own corner, and indeed did is a bit odd, in my opinion

A bit disingenuous, you really think it's odd that people defend a mate ?

If I posted that the tft thread and it's posters was just a bunch of sycophantic and/or peurile willy waving I'm pretty sure there would be a clamour to put the case for the defence.

Forgot to wish Ray good luck with this, would've snap bought 2.5% if I'd been around


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 06:45:02 PM
Fair do's Red-Dog.

+1 about your point about proper sympathy and outrage channeling.

Didn't really want to stop others having their opinion, I just didn't agree with how it was expressed, but I obv can't stop that.




Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2013, 06:51:40 PM
Computer guy has just come to take the PC away, said he will get it back to me by 2pm tmoro so hopefully be grinding from tmoro.

I have about fifty things to worry about that are all more important than who posts what where, and none of those fifty are even close to millions of other people's problems that they have to worry about, so yeah, I couldn't care at all.

I was a bit mardy with Guy because I'd just woke up, PC didn't work, iPad wouldn't work so was slightly on tilt, still think what I said though, just saying.

Anyways, lets leave it at that imo and hopefully positivity itt only going forward.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 03, 2013, 06:54:52 PM
Fair do's Red-Dog.

+1 about your point about proper sympathy and outrage channeling.

Didn't really want to stop others having their opinion, I just didn't agree with how it was expressed, but I obv can't stop that.





Respect to you.

Move on?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: jakally on September 03, 2013, 06:55:20 PM
comparing it to a RIP thread was the precious part, I thought.

Makes absolutely no difference if a person seeking staking is a Pro or not, we're pretty clear on that on blonde most of the time

Anyway, everyone wishes Ray all the best

Professional who has been openly honest about being extremely short of cash.

Ah, I see.


RIP Ray's roll.

This I love a lot.

GL with this Raymondo. Would have taken some but sold before old & slow people could react.
If any comes available then give me a shout.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 03, 2013, 06:59:36 PM
Fair do's Red-Dog.

+1 about your point about proper sympathy and outrage channeling.

Didn't really want to stop others having their opinion, I just didn't agree with how it was expressed, but I obv can't stop that.





Respect to you.

Move on?

Deffo, mucho respocto.

:)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Ironside on September 03, 2013, 07:39:06 PM
Computer guy has just come to take the PC away, said he will get it back to me by 2pm tmoro so hopefully be grinding from tmoro.

I have about fifty things to worry about that are all more important than who posts what where, and none of those fifty are even close to millions of other people's problems that they have to worry about, so yeah, I couldn't care at all.

I was a bit mardy with Guy because I'd just woke up, PC didn't work, iPad wouldn't work so was slightly on tilt, still think what I said though, just saying.

Anyways, lets leave it at that imo and hopefully positivity itt only going forward.

50 things too worry about i hope they havent cast you in that new 50 shades film no one will understand you


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: the sicilian on September 03, 2013, 08:36:01 PM
All this coming to his defence over something where he's quite capable of fighting his own corner, and indeed did is a bit odd, in my opinion

A bit disingenuous, you really think it's odd that people defend a mate ?

If I posted that the tft thread and it's posters was just a bunch of sycophantic and/or peurile willy waving I'm pretty sure there would be a clamour to put the case for the defence.

Forgot to wish Ray good luck with this, would've snap bought 2.5% if I'd been around

Oooops let it slip Glen..now the cats out of the bag


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: kinboshi on September 03, 2013, 09:48:27 PM
Computer guy has just come to take the PC away, said he will get it back to me by 2pm tmoro so hopefully be grinding from tmoro.

I have about fifty things to worry about that are all more important than who posts what where, and none of those fifty are even close to millions of other people's problems that they have to worry about, so yeah, I couldn't care at all.

I was a bit mardy with Guy because I'd just woke up, PC didn't work, iPad wouldn't work so was slightly on tilt, still think what I said though, just saying.

Anyways, lets leave it at that imo and hopefully positivity itt only going forward.

He's got 99 problems but this thread ain't one.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: pleno1 on September 03, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
jason herbert attacking guy on facebook

weird.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: George2Loose on September 03, 2013, 10:13:57 PM
Derails are what make blonde great.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: WotRTheChances on September 03, 2013, 11:15:37 PM
Dunno what the fuss is about? Yeah if Ray didnt put in the 'i'll play out the MU until people get their money back' clause it wouldnt be an amazing investment, but with it it's pretty much a freeroll for return in the range of breakeven to a reasonable return. Obviously no-one is going to be making 20k on their investment, but it's a minimal-risk investment, not a huge MTT shot. Gl Raymondo, sick graphages.

If you dont understand or want to invest in a package, dont spam it with negative comments. It's a perfectly reasonable stake.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: scotty77 on September 03, 2013, 11:35:56 PM
GL Ray.  I saw this yesterday and would have took a piece but can't ship funds while I'm away.

Sure you and your backers will make some $$$$


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 03, 2013, 11:57:28 PM
If you dont understand or want to invest in a package, dont spam it with negative comments. It's a perfectly reasonable stake.

Derails tho...


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Longy on September 04, 2013, 02:45:35 AM
Money sent.

Lol at how long this thread is, seriously have no idea what is going on. God forbid we have a well liked member put up a +ev investment opportunity in games he crushes.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 04, 2013, 01:00:18 PM
Money sent.

Lol at how long this thread is, seriously have no idea what is going on. God forbid we have a well liked member put up a +ev investment opportunity in games he crushes.



I'm only still reading mondos posts for macdonalds updates. rofl


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 05, 2013, 12:01:24 AM
-70 on the day with 12 games left, 2/10 in 15.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 05, 2013, 12:04:16 AM
otr, glglgl


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 05, 2013, 12:20:59 AM
5th


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 05, 2013, 12:55:07 AM
Not posting any hh's or zzzzzzz x, y, z happened itt.

Games today : 180
Profit today : $108.54

Current balance : $2108.54



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 06, 2013, 12:41:08 AM
3/9 in 15, 2nd for a > comma day.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 06, 2013, 12:52:30 AM
Games today : 191
Profit today : $741.48

Current balance : $2850.02


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Longy on September 06, 2013, 12:53:14 AM
Oioioioi

#terrible punt.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: celtic on September 06, 2013, 12:54:31 AM
Oioioioi

#terrible punt.




Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: ForthThistle on September 06, 2013, 01:02:59 AM


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Eso Kral on September 06, 2013, 01:14:16 AM


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: claypole on September 06, 2013, 01:14:34 AM

Ha ha ha - oi oi Ray, get back in the game.  Sending you lots of gl


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 06, 2013, 01:14:52 AM
terripunts ftw



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: tikay on September 06, 2013, 02:12:08 AM
Chuffed to bits for you Ray,

PS - answer your PM's.  :)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 06, 2013, 02:12:19 AM

oioioioiiiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 06, 2013, 02:34:20 AM

+ 1 terripunt


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 06, 2013, 04:22:12 AM
Ray's roll resurrected....


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: GreekStein on September 06, 2013, 06:17:54 AM
nice one rayemernd

#terrible punt.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: cambridgealex on September 06, 2013, 06:30:15 AM


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 06, 2013, 12:34:25 PM
Cheers all.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: vegaslover on September 06, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
Nice one Ray, hope the upswing continues


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: MC on September 06, 2013, 06:17:00 PM
Just caught up with thread as I've been on holiday (yes thin), and just lol @ Monda getting trolled for putting up 70:30, would've advised somewhere in Tom and Longy's range for sure, 70:30 seems abs fine.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: lucky_scrote on September 06, 2013, 07:07:04 PM
Providing someone is a decent winning player that is completely trust-worthy and is willing to grind out of make-up then the only risk is if that person has a terrible injury that means they can no longer play poker or something.

This deal is an investment not a punt whatsoever and if I had money myself I'd have invested as much as I could and would probably feel bad doing it!

GL mate!


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
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Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 07, 2013, 12:17:02 AM
Any action on the terripunt tonight?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 07, 2013, 01:02:33 AM
-230, 1 left, 5/8 in 15.

3/3


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 07, 2013, 01:31:21 AM
Was stuck 1k earlier, getting out is fun.

Games today : 185
Profit today : $262.91
Games total : 556
Profit total : $1112.93

Current balance : $3112.93

tikay asked me awhile ago if I'd play the Sky event at Newcastle, wasn't going to go but I haven't left the house for a bit now, lolz, so going to go play that tmoro then be back grinding Sunday.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 07, 2013, 01:38:56 AM
Oh it's a two day event, will be grinding Sunday.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 07, 2013, 10:18:40 PM
Confirmed grinding tmoro.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 09, 2013, 12:48:58 AM
Games today : 208
Loss today : $369.28
Games total : 764
Profit total : $743.65

Current balance : $2743.65


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 09, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Next time Ray just ask if anyone wants to lend you $2k for 6 weeks with 3pt Juice and the thread will go a lot differently.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 09, 2013, 02:40:28 PM
Tableninja just put me into a $1 180 hyper, no idea how it happened, guessing nobody cares about $1, will keep an eye on it though.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 09, 2013, 02:40:51 PM
Tableninja just put me into a $1 180 hyper, no idea how it happened, guessing nobody cares about $1, will keep an eye on it though.

GRIM ATTEMPT!!!!!!!!

A hyper turbo, defo a reduced edge in those given how quickly the blinds go up.  I want to say something like, this is a bad gamble, or words to that effect, but I'm not sure what the right phrase is.....


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 09, 2013, 02:44:16 PM
Not a great spin?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 09, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Not a great spin?


incredigrim?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 09, 2013, 02:58:57 PM

Doesn't seem quite right.  Horrifibet?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 09, 2013, 03:15:11 PM
gotta be some good pun to be made around hyperbole and hypers and terripunt but I cant find it goddam my bad at wordsness.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: lucky_scrote on September 09, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
gotta be some good pun to be made around hyperbole and hypers and terripunt but I cant find it goddam my bad at wordsness.

Attention deficit hyperturbo disorder


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 09, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
gotta be some good pun to be made around hyperbole and hypers and terripunt but I cant find it goddam my bad at wordsness.

If you can also include a pun that compares the expected return from a $1 hyper to the rhetorical device used in this thread to describe the anticipated return by a certain individual, that would be grand.  I'm thinking hyperbowl?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Eso Kral on September 09, 2013, 03:28:10 PM
gotta be some good pun to be made around hyperbole and hypers and terripunt but I cant find it goddam my bad at wordsness.
Surely should be HyperBOWL


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Eso Kral on September 09, 2013, 03:28:41 PM
gotta be some good pun to be made around hyperbole and hypers and terripunt but I cant find it goddam my bad at wordsness.

If you can also include a pun that compares the expected return from a $1 hyper to the rhetorical device used in this thread to describe the anticipated return by a certain individual, that would be grand.  I'm thinking hyperbowl?
FU TomTom


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 09, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
Surely should be HyperBOWL

Yeh, dunno where you got that idea from.  If you say you came up with it unilaterally then I will believe you one time.  Your response was much less elaborate though, so defo getting marked down for this.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 09, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
he posted after you, he will have got the red text and seen your idea, then changed his post because it was obv pants.


rofl


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 09, 2013, 03:33:02 PM
Eso, you've done bad in yourself.  Go away and think about what you gone and done.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 09, 2013, 03:36:52 PM
Snap busted it  ;flushy;


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Eso Kral on September 09, 2013, 03:54:55 PM
Eso, you've done bad in yourself.  Go away and think about what you gone and done.
;surrender;


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: George2Loose on September 09, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
A PROFESSIONAL player has put up a serious staking thread and all u guys can do is take the piss.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: OverTheBorder on September 09, 2013, 03:58:21 PM
Has anyone phoned the police?  /:-|


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 09, 2013, 09:32:42 PM
A PROFESSIONAL player has put up a serious staking thread and all u guys can do is take the piss.


lol.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 10, 2013, 12:42:46 AM
Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 10, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Games today : 220
Loss today : $1165.53
Games total : 984
Loss total : $421.88

Current balance : $1578.12


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 10, 2013, 01:50:07 AM
Thread just got even funnier... Keep your head straight mate I'm here for a reload if needed.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: EvilPie on September 10, 2013, 11:37:26 AM
How come you didn't cash out when you were in profit?

Surely that's the idea of a MU deal?

Haven't you just cost yourself 70% and your backers 30% of whatever you were in profit?



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 10, 2013, 12:01:20 PM
Agreed to just chop it at end of 1500 games.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 10, 2013, 12:18:35 PM
Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan, Must not moan.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1g8HAAmsA


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: EvilPie on September 10, 2013, 12:34:21 PM
Agreed to just chop it at end of 1500 games.

Sigh. Unlucky Ray.

GL.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 10, 2013, 10:13:00 PM
Games today : 116
Profit today : $1020.07
Games total : 1100
Profit total : $598.19

Current balance : $2598.19

Played shorter session today as didn't get started until bit later than normal and wasn't feeling that good, plus pretty simples now, will play 200 games for next two days, crush and chop, legooooooooo.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Amatay on September 10, 2013, 10:14:39 PM
swongs. when u grinding the 35's again mate


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 10, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
swongs. when u grinding the 35's again mate


Will be back playing them soon.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Longy on September 11, 2013, 01:22:20 AM
Games today : 116
Profit today : $1020.07
Games total : 1100
Profit total : $598.19

Current balance : $2598.19

Played shorter session today as didn't get started until bit later than normal and wasn't feeling that good, plus pretty simples now, will play 200 games for next two days, crush and chop, legooooooooo.

Nice, that's nice.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 11, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
Not playing today.

Will play tmoro and Friday. Not playing today as just did three hour session with James... think he got a lot of it  ;D

To quote him "You're playing as well as I would be if I'm just one tabling which is pretty insane"

Part of me is of ofc glad that I'm playing good but on the otherhand it's beyond joke tilting lol.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: thetank on September 11, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
Good luck buddy


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: RED-DOG on September 11, 2013, 11:01:02 PM
Welcome home.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 11, 2013, 11:09:56 PM
Thread finally delivers :)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 12, 2013, 10:59:37 PM
Games today : 150
Profit today : $872.95
Games total : 1250
Profit total : $1471.14

Current balance : $3471.14


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: celtic on September 12, 2013, 11:35:13 PM
:)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 13, 2013, 01:51:55 AM
Spoke to everyone other than Nico who isn't currently online and everyone is happy with me chopping it up now and ending the stake with a decent profit so that's what I'm doing.

Total profit : $1471.14

Chop = $1029.80 me, $441.34 backers.

Longy 10% $44.13, $244.13 sent
MC 10% $44.13 sent
Tomsom 5% $22.07, $122.07 sent
Adam 70% $308.94 , $1708.94 sent
Nico 5% $22.07, $122.07 sent

Cheers all.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: George2Loose on September 13, 2013, 02:28:36 AM
#terriblepunt


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: theprawnidentity on September 13, 2013, 07:45:20 AM
#terripuntsftw


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: tikay on September 13, 2013, 08:31:57 AM

Very well done Ray, congrats.

Shame you could not have some run-good at Newcastle last weekend, but it was grand to see you.

Have you put weight on? You looked a little more plump than I recall.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: ForthThistle on September 13, 2013, 11:57:37 AM

Very well done Ray, congrats.

Shame you could not have some run-good at Newcastle last weekend, but it was grand to see you.

Have you put weight on? You looked a little more plump than I recall.

Oh i laughed out loud.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 13, 2013, 12:20:26 PM
macdonalds though?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Nico29 on September 13, 2013, 12:31:16 PM
Spoke to everyone other than Nico who isn't currently online and everyone is happy with me chopping it up now and ending the stake with a decent profit so that's what I'm doing.

Total profit : $1471.14

Chop = $1029.80 me, $441.34 backers.

Longy 10% $44.13, $244.13 sent
MC 10% $44.13 sent
Tomsom 5% $22.07, $122.07 sent
Adam 70% $308.94 , $1708.94 sent
Nico 5% $22.07, $122.07 sent

Cheers all.

Rcvd, cheers mate, wdwwdwd. :)

Chopping obv fine.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 13, 2013, 12:53:15 PM
6x your money in a week. fking awful punt. so unprofessional


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Doobs on September 13, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
6x your money in a week. fking awful punt. so unprofessional

22/100 = nearly 6.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: thetank on September 13, 2013, 01:43:12 PM
Aaayyyyaaaarrrr


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: titaniumbean on September 13, 2013, 03:41:23 PM
6x your money in a week. fking awful punt. so unprofessional

22/100 = nearly 6.


fiddy fiddy i'm right or i'm not.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: edgascoigne on September 13, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
6x your money in a week. fking awful punt. so unprofessional

22/100 = nearly 6.


fiddy fiddy i'm right or i'm not.

zero hundred


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Longy on September 13, 2013, 04:02:47 PM
Money received.

I am just bit annoyed I won't be able to use #terriblepunt again.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: celtic on September 13, 2013, 04:21:07 PM
Money received.

I am just bit annoyed I won't be able to use #terriblepunt again.



Ill do a staking thread soon, you can use it then.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 13, 2013, 05:52:12 PM

Very well done Ray, congrats.

Shame you could not have some run-good at Newcastle last weekend, but it was grand to see you.

Have you put weight on? You looked a little more plump than I recall.

My metabolism must be slowing own in as I'm getting old, sadface.


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Marky147 on September 13, 2013, 06:28:49 PM
Nice one mond, hope things continue going well mate.

Chopping early to get those Happy Meals on the go?


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: mondatoo on September 13, 2013, 06:30:06 PM
Nice one mond, hopefully things continue going well mate.

Chopping early to get those Happy Meals on the go?

Will be bargain buckets since I wasn't what Ronald's looking for.



Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Marky147 on September 13, 2013, 06:40:20 PM
Nice one mond, hopefully things continue going well mate.

Chopping early to get those Happy Meals on the go?

Will be bargain buckets since I wasn't what Ronald's looking for.


Sanders is the boy anyway ;)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: Dewi_cool on October 01, 2013, 12:05:17 PM
I was doing the maths earlier and I think it works out something like to double my $200 investment the initial roll would need to be turned from $2000 into $8660.

I would have made $200 profit and horse would have made $4662.

Am I being dumb and way off the mark??

10% of $2k = $200, so roll of $4k = $2k profit (2000/10x7 = 1400) leaves 600 remaining for investors so 10% = $60 x3.33 = $200

Confused. :dontask:

Nah if you bought the full $2k and the roll was doubled, you get your 2k stake back + 30% of the $2k profit, so $2600 total ($2k+$600).  Ray doesnt get to keep any of the stake.

The stake is refunded in full, and the profits are split 70/30.

Obv Monda doesn't keep any of the stake (unless you consider rakeback as stake)

I think you have just rewritten what I said but as a full investor. 10% = $60 per double up to investor basically (excluding returned stake) and $1400 per double up to horse. So to double my investment the whole roll would have to be $8.6k no? I'm not here to quible, I just wanted to confirm my understanding as there was defo some confusion.

I think what Guy is saying is it is terrible "punt" for a "punter" like me who dreams of getting rich quick. Nothing against Ray, in reality it's a zero risk investment assuming you can afford to keep reloading and Monda doesn't do a dissapearing act.. but with small returns.

I think I will just have to rely on Dubai or Eso to pay for the Milligan's Xmas this year. Turkey pot noodles it is... again

just sort it out yourself Dave :-)


Title: Re: Short term 180s backing...
Post by: millidonk on October 01, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
Lolz, tbh that possibility never even entered my mind!

Pot noodles are off the menu and a Dubai style 12 bird roast is on. nom nom nom.