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it's the WSOP Main event final table tonight (starts at 1am UK time). 

You can watch it live on the ESPN TV channel available through Sky TV, Virgin or BT Sport.

 It may be free with your channel package, or you may have to pay for an upgrade for a minimum of 1 month. 

If you can't stay up and watch it live it's repeated at 6.30pm on Tuesday evening. 

They will play down to 3 players tonight, then the final 3 return at 2am Tues night/Weds morning to play it out.

This is also live on the ESPN TV channel and again will be repeated at 7.15pm on Weds evening.

There is an alternative which is to watch via the live stream on ESPN.  You can pay £1.99 for 24 hours or £2.99 for 7 days via the following link.

http://www.espnplayer.com/espnplayer/wsop

http://www.wsop.com/2013/

Has the line up

(http://www.bluff.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2013-november-nine-group-shot-1024x682.jpeg)

ESPN Notes from back in august are below

JC Tran (38.0 million in chips): The poker world wanted a star at the final table and in JC Tran, they definitely have one. He has won two WSOP bracelets, a WPT title and has $8.3 million career tournament earnings. This is his sixth cash of the 2013 WSOP and his sixth main event cash over the past 10 years. He had no fear of putting millions in the pot late and that's what boosted him into the final table as the chip leader.

Amir Lehavot (29.7 mllion): Talk about flying under the radar. The winner of the $10,000 pot-limit hold 'em event in 2011 was one of the shortest stacks to begin the day, but he capitalized most off of James Alexander's blow up during the third level on Day 7. This is the 38-year-old's 13th career WSOP cash and he will be the oldest player at the final table, where he'll try to become the first Israeli to win the main event. He's a professional poker player by trade, but also has a degree in engineering.

Marc-Etienne McLaughlin (26.5 million): It has been quite a year for Canada at the World Series of Poker and McLaughlin is looking to continue that trend. This is his seventh career WSOP cash and more impressive, his third top-86 main event cash over the past five years. He has made one WSOP final table, finishing third in a $1,500 event in 2011.

Jay Farber (25.9 million): The 28-year-old nightclub promoter played a lot of poker before Black Friday and just recently turned to having a, as he said, "real job." He plays the cash games in Vegas and decided to enter some satellites because he believed there was added value. Farber won his way in and as far as his November Nine preparation, two players on his rail were none other than former November Niners Ben Lamb and Michael Mizrachi. This is his first career WSOP cash and second main event.


Ryan Riess (25.8 million): You're going to hear a lot about "Riess The Beast." The Michigan State grad found poker and has been motivated since a second-place finish at a WSOP Circuit main event to find greatness. Well, now he's here. Riess had one of the most vocal rails on the day, but he battled from the short stack with perfect aggression to make it this far. Expect the same heartfelt effort to show in November.

Sylvain Loosli (19.6 million in chips): The 26-year-old Frenchman is making his first career World Series of Poker cash and has only one tiny score on the EPT as part of his tournament resume. That said, he plays $25/$50 no-limit cash games online and if we look back at last year, some guy named Merson had those same credentials. Loosli likes being underestimated and hopes that he can exploit that image come November. More than anything, he wants to win this for France.

Michiel Brummelhuis (11.2 million): The Dutch pro has been successful around the world for the past six years and is one of the most respected players in that poker community. He has made WSOP final tables, earned six-figure scores and won side events. Now he has the biggest opportunity of his life and a chance to become the first world champion from the Netherlands. Brummelheis, 32, owes his tournament to a river 7 that gave him a straight with J-9 against Loosli's A-J, and now that he has the second chance, he isn't going to let it go easily. Just like Tran, he's expecting a child this year.

Mark Newhouse (7.3 million) After his win on the World Poker Tour in 2006, Mark Newhouse fell quickly out of the poker spotlight and fell onto tough times. After the performance he put on during Day 7, many will remember the 28-year-old's determination and even though he's short, you can't count him out at the final table. Newhouse finished 182nd in the 2011 main event. Including ninth-place prize money, he has $2.7 million in career earnings.

David Benefield (6.3 million): "Raptor" is one of the original online poker superstars in the post-boom era. The 27-year-old Texan was part of the support squad during Craig Marquis' run in 2008 and now he'll have his own shot. According to Brian Hastings, Benefield been active in the Macau cash games as of late while also studying political science and Chinese at Columbia. Prior to the main event, he had only one WSOP cash this Series, but made $115,000 in October with an eighth-place finish at the WSOP's 50,000 euro high roller event. If there was someone who played nearly perfect today, it was Benefield. While he tightened up on the bubble, he deserves this final table bid.


1. $8,359,531
2. $5,173,170
3. $3,727,023
4. $2,791,982
5. $2,106,526
6. $1,600,792
7. $1,225,224
8. $944,593
9. $733,224

Won't be as much fun as watching Greg Merson crush.

#teamupgrade

Hopefully it will be quicker

Reiss looks pretty huge @ 6/1 with Ladbrokes.

JC Tran is too short, so I haven't laid off.

Pls lose.

Have a bet

He Has


Tran
Reiss
Farber
Benefield

I have

Lehavot
Mclaughlin
Loosli
Brummelhuis
Newhouse


Whos favourite?

You ...mbn :D

Want Benefield to win, or JayLV who was always pretty helpful to everyone on 2p2.

any streams floating about? only got time to watch first hour or so, thanks

http://tykestv.eu/streams/sports/espn-uk/

Been solid thus far

Been a good final so far.

yeh agreed some good folds

yeah deffo, benefield sicko

rooting for jc, always looks class

Too many heroes to root for.....

Nice check call by lehavot.

I like Lehavot, Tran in great shape with the seat draw though which is so huge. I predict the final 4 will be Tran, McLaughlin, Benefield, Loosli. #hunch

glad newhouse busted dont like the look of him lol

me niether he just comes across as a douche right?

Behaved with a lot of dignity in the Brandi affair.

Can't help but root for the fella.

Not liking McLaughlin or reiss.

lolll dirty angle from loosli?

i dont like those names either

What sort of call was that with the fours? I said I didn't think Loosi didnt have anything otr but that is an optimistic call.

#french

Not being results orientated but stacking off with kk there was so so bad sigh

50 BBs 6 handed?

:D

it still running? wsop player not working for me sighh

No, heads up now, so play ceased, & they resume tomorrow.

mmm, I mean this Farber character doesn't have JJ does he... #flippingformillys

I dont know if its so so bad though it is a pretty horrific cooler for a LOT of money

Why did I pay for the daypass before I read this  ;grr;

Jay Farber 105,000,000 and  Ryan Riess    85,675,000 HU

Blinds: 500,000/1,.000,000/150,000 

3rd Amir Lehavot $3,727,023
4th Sylvain Loosli    $2,791,893
5th JC Tran    $2,106,893
6th Marc McLaughlin    $1,601,024
7th Michiel Brummelhuis   $1,225,356
8th David Benefield    $944,650
9th Mark Newhouse    $733,224

Doesn't he lose a chunk on the run out anyway?

It's really really bad IMO. Look at the pay jumps? Farber is really not the type to be 3b5b as any form of bluff at all here even after hero made it 8.7m farmer was absolutely shaking nd out 20m in or something instead of piling he had a sign on his he'd saying I has aces.

But anyway once hero 4ber I guess he is going with it but just exploit this guy and call pre and station down/potentially hero fold later. Farmer uses small sizes and I doubt he'd be going more than pot on turn/river of most run outs either.

Also when were t. Chip disadvantage having this is our range is pretty good/important too did def the strategy I'd make too.

This is super villain dependant.

Vs anybody else on the table would prolly be 4/calling but even then with Icm its going to be close.

Like 2 orbits later he folded 85s in sb without really thinking about it.

Also,did anybody see jc trams qj fold in sb?????

Yeah thought the QJ fold was strange. The orbit before he shipped QJdd from the SB and Farber thought about calling but folded, he spoke to his rail about it and they said he should've called (didn't see his hand) JC asked him about this. I'm guessing that might've been in JC's head???

Sure Vanessa Selbst has been telling him to fold his queens and AK to a 4 bet from the cut off, and he sits there motionless when he has either.  And we aren't just calling the 3 bet, so we can call 3 streets of small bets are we?

It just looks like a cooler to me.   The pay jumps are only massive because it is the WSOP.  If we shove in the big 55, we should shove here. 

Yeah that's exactly what we are going to do.

It depends but I, sure he hasn't been exactly through every single situ with all stacks. Hero had 35m and there was a 9m and 12m Ish stacks and the pay jumps are absolutely wild. I, sure in most of the simulatons jc tran would have been there with chip lead.

Once we get 3bet if we can just confirm that we call and call 3 small barrels on t23xx I'm sure we should be very happy about it.

The on,y reason I'd want to get kk kn is because its a good spot to 4bet bluff and we should in theory have a balanced range and have value combos.

But it's the main event final table, fuck combos and balance.

Over unders on length of heads up today?
I rekon 2 hours max lots of activity from reiss I guess

I'd take the over on that if u want some side action?

Just had a thought would rather do hands, this is in America and they don't half like to drag things out! Especially as espn won't want it lasting 10 minutes!

Yeh true. How many hands u thinking?

Anyone doing last card on the river again? Think Alex ran it last time

Timex ranting on twitter about how bad everyone was on the FT. Anyone watch much of it?

I watched a fair bit of it. Didn't think it was bad. Some nice folds early on, may have been affected by the pay jumps. But was still fairly decent I thought.

Timex in controversial tweets shocker :D

Think people should charge higher markup for next year due to the FT being so soft

Well everybody did play really awful from what I've seen but maybe espn put the wrong cards?

- nobody called 3bets even vs tiny sizings where you should have no fold range
- people didn't feed their big blind at all

Two main things that maybe people wouldn't pick up

- jc tran 4ber folding aq
- jay farber going lary with 66 (if he knows above its good obv)
- the kk get in

Lost of just basic fundamental stuff that was pretty cringy. Antonioni commentary was really bad too which is pretty sad when he's one of the best in the world. He was just saying wrong things in most spots.

Oh reiss and farber played so fkn weak too at times. Literally throwing away thousands of dollars of equity with each fold.

Didn't watch all of it but I think Esfandiari's commentary was excellent

Timex has managed to hack plenos acct.

Shocker that people aren't playing completely optimal strategy on a live final table

Everyones an expert obviously even in a pressure cooker environment.

THey had months to prepare


He suggested at one stage that when you have jacks it's the best scenario when everybody folds, he picked up on none if the terrible passiveness or suggested that they should be leveraging stacks and he said on a board that you needed a straight to vbet when it was v clear that 2 pairs were vbets.

Also the constant arselickong of jc tran who was supposedly widely recognised the best player at the table. Widely recognised by who exactly? He folded qjo in sb with 12bbs and esfandiari didn't say a word maybe he is his friend. Also qts was limp folded bvb with around 10nbs


One or two errors ofc I understand! In a 30 pound fo I'd make mistakes too but asides benefield and lahovort everybody see,ed to make really really big errors.

Must be the worst final table in history. They just folded until they could cooler eachother. Ironic that duhamel is McLaughlins coach and he folded to a 4.4x 3bet in position with a9 when duhamel is a station it seems.

Btw has anybody seen the Dennis Phillips ak hand????????????????? What?!?!?!

I get that mate, but the transition of theory into practice isn't that simple (especially with lifechanging money on the line).

They should have hired jared then!

Not sure that will have helped them disregard the fact they're playing for millions of $$ ;)

Agree with pleno on most of his points tbh. Watched a bit and thought the same. Very surprised. Not saying I could do better or wouldn't freeze under the pressure, I have no idea. But everyone's allowed their opinion from the armchair.

I think Esfandiari is vgood at his job - his job is to appeal to the masses and give both sound analysis but also entertain people, speak in a language that everyone that plays/is interested in poker understands.

The "Just wanna take it down preflop with JJ" must be a level, but even if not, thousands of viewers will love to here that even the best struggle to play dem fish hooks!

Pretty sad but  Im sure I remember the Philips hand against Demidov right ? 

Demidov Raise with AQ ,Phillips 3 bets , Demidov 4 bets  Phillips Flats...A flop of something like J 10 x sees Phillips Donk out and Demidov Pushes all in ..Philips...Folds  but the question is why didnt Philips Jam Pre  ?  Suppose its easier from the rails with the pressure and all

Wasn't Phillips a rec player though? Fk, I could think of a thousand recs that would make an arse of that hand in those circumstances v demidov. I see it every week, never mind on the final table of the biggest comp in the world.

think youre being way too harsh on everyone pads lol. McClaughlin was the only one i thought played super bad tbh (and i dont mean his KK get in)

It's always easy to say how bad player played when we watching on tele . It's always difficult to play live in big occasions . They playing for lots of $$$$$$$ . If they are laddering , that's standard !

I watched the first 5 hours of the final table (so missed the KK hand... wtf happened?), and I thought the standard of play was pretty good considering the huge pressure each of the players must have been under. The fold with AQ was seriously impressive, and Benefield folding TT might seem 'easy' when watching at home (I thought he was dwelling with QQ or AK, since it seemed so clear to me - watching at home with no pressure - that JJ/TT was a fold) but can't have been anywhere near as straightforward in the moment.

It is so easy to criticise small technical errors from the sofa, but I was genuinely impressed that none of the players lost their heads under the pressure and made catastrophic errors. Seems a little silly to criticise anyone's play unless you have actually been in such a high pressure situation yourself - I have no idea if I'd be able to cope under such pressure without blowing up in some way or other!

Esfandiaris job is commentator not tv nerd

And I haven't any done any maths but I'd say given icm Implications etc, depending on exactly when it was, I'd be wholly unsurprised if given that you'd raised with JJ, getting folds is a better result than not doing

THIS.


If you liked the commentary pads then the whole world would think it was awful.

Similarly if you thought they all played perfectly the man on the street would thing that all of them were just wind-milling randomly at the buttons.

Tran seems pretty awful though, live tho.

I read somewhere that JC Tran used to have a philosophy that he would rather make a good fold than a good call. No idea whether that's still in play, but it's a completely different mentality to the majority of the field, who want to make the TV Hero Play.

Poker as an entertainment package (and it HAS to be an entertainment package to have any medium term sustainability as an entity) needs people with different mentalities in approaching the game. The "in a vacuum correct" play is one part of a much wider picture, which, in this specific instance, includes a suitcase full of Benjamin Franklins.

Whatever you or I make of one specific play, these guys are in a completely alien situation and the dynamics are different to anything these people have experienced. This will mean they call when they should raise or fold. It will mean they'll bet 250 when online they'd insta-350. They'll swallow when they'd normally be stoic. Some of those things may be deliberate. In my view, they SHOULD be doing some things differently to if it were the DTD Deepstack final or a $5 STT. They should be doing that because everyone else will be, too, and you should be adjusting to their play.

But then this is No Limit Holdem so the winner will be the one who gets the tall and pointy ones against the matching pictures

These pros make themselves look v bad imo, whether what they say is true or not

http://www.pokerlistings.com/wsop-tweet-relief-cheap-shots-from-the-cheap-seats-36777

Looks almost word for word what pleno wrote...

I do have a little sympathy for the pie chart banter but that aside Alex is right IMO. Sam razavi spot on.

Read all of Timex's last night, but hadn't bothered hunting any others out.

Considering how intelligent these guys are, how well they have done out of poker, it's amazing to see how bitter and juvenile they can act over something they should be doing cartwheels about!

pie chart banter pretty good tbf

At least that wasnt on twitter from accounts with thousands of followers.

Don't know Sam Rasavi, other than his antics I've seen on telly. Seems a likeable bloke, and like him even more now.

This thread is Blonde poker in a nutshell. It's like Eastenders again.

I just hope the Nightclub host from 2+2 wins it. That will be some party.

Btw just heard Antonio's comments about Jacks and it is SOOO obviously a level it's insane how many people have bitten!

Out of interest - and appreciate the irony of asking in this thread - but does the result of this final table still matter to you guys?

Time was it was THE most important thing in poker. The person who won it was THE world champion; the main man. How different are attitudes now?

The Las Vegas nightclub man winning would be a great result for poker.  Right now, it would be the most important thing in poker.  Get him on the chat shows showing everyone know that anybody can win.  I think that should matter to us all.  I hope he doesn't lose too much sleep over that bad mistake he made when he gave away that he was obviously holding aces.

He would be the World Champion too, and probably has more claim to it that when there was a dozen people carving up a tournament amongst their mates. 

   

If it's not someone I know, I want it to be someone who won their seat for $50

Brilliant :)

Yeah deffo gonna be cheering him on.

no, phillips LIMPS, then 3bets when demidov flats THEN dons jtx for 4.5m and folds for 8m more, most ridic hand

jc limp folded 13bigS? with qts bvb
jc open folded qjo with 13 bigs bvb
farber folded 85s when it was a clear clear jam
reiss folded about 5 spots which were ATC opens

Thought Amir played played, Newhouse obv wte, Benefield great, the rest weak or very bad.

I think Reiss cost himself over 150,000 in equity with his folds, put zeeeee presureeeee on themmmm

I probably saw less than half of the hands so maybe there was alot more bad stuff.

As far as Esfandiari comments and if I liked them everybody would hate them vice versa probably the biggest bollocks in the thread, im a journalist remember!

He can be good, have a good voice etc but doesnt mean he has to be bad strategically, hes there to say the right things and correct norman chad and whoever the other guy is.

Saying "he shouldnt bet here" or "he should bet here" doesnt change his quality of comments, all it does is make the good players think wtf and the bad players believe him. Busquet class above imo. Ive done coachings where 100 out of 100 people in the coaching have played poker less than 3 times,  i understand hwo to speak to them thats really not the problem here.


Stu, the main problems I saw from the players was from 6 handed play onwards.

Tom, Im not saying the whole table was bad, amir, newhouse, benefield probably played perfect, but it was painful watching the other guys.

BTW, I have a friend who was helping coach one of the guys and went to dinner with him last night, the player said he was calling 99, AQ plus when he should be calling 22 and k7 plus and wouldnt accept it even with some really good players telling him, he went on to make some momumental mistakes bvb and btn v blinds.

When I first saw this thread I thought pretty much exactly this.  I am mildly interested in who wins but beyond that I really don't care and I haven't watched any of it for the first time ever.  Once upon a time I would have looked forward to it and known every players name etc.  Now I really am not bothered.  To some extent this reflects my overall interest in poker but I can't imagine ever getting interested in a final table like I had in the past unless a blonde or Brit was on it.

has it restarted yet?

2am coverage starts on ESPN UK

blonde rail be fkn epic.

I would be worrying about the ensuing thread and Twitter outrage after I pissed away my equity folding too much ;D

Any iPad links?

what the hell was that intro.

Only in america!

<3 Buffer

Omg can't breathe. He had all day and hen3bers 2nd hand from 2.6 to 4.5m

No no no nooooooo

lol like Reiss's flop raise with KT too I'm guessing?

It's probably not even that bad farber calling worse a lot but obv std call.

Farber 2.5m to 4.3m next, can deeb just call him over and sort him out?!?!

Patrick... one day I'm gonna make the ME final table and show you just how badly I can play.

You're too good! If you had 90m vs farbers 100m you'd be 4/6

Ooohh... he 3bet to 6m. Must have been following this thread.

HAHA!

Rail told him I guess. Riess vbig favourite imo, but realllly want farber to win. Reiss' comments pre FT "I'm going to win because I am the best player at the final" really make me not like him.

Farber is a boss.

They must've done some sort of deal pre heads up?

Going off Dan Bilzerian's Twitter I don't think they have.

sometimes i cant sleep at night with so many bad poker players in the world.

Heart and commitment to the game!

THIS.

What a boss.

Fate, ldo.

lotta heart- didn't make sense tho

Should have them mic'd up, so that we can hear shaggy's reaction when his boys tell him that Farber barrelled him.

Huh shrug call? Repping too thin and just lost a huge hand lol

Trivial right ?

Fuck me esfandiari is on fucking mute now!!

Reiss can definitely have a 3 here. Sees cards - farber need to think more will reiss really play a 3 like that?



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I hope there is loads more funky stuff, on the table and in the booth!

BITB turned into basketcase watching WSOP HU

Patrick. Enough now. Have you any idea how intense it must be for these two guys right now? I am impressed they can remember their own names and are not wetting themselves - that they are able to play cards sensibly without becoming jibbering wrecks is seriously impressive.

gameflow wise Farber never bluffing here

wp me

It's just another tournament ;)

Don't make a vt pre tournament saying I'm going to win because I'm the best player at the table then make bad folds then!

Also I have no sympathy. It took him 4 mistakes to lern his 3bnsize was bad and to get advice. This has to be done re tourney or last night. If he'd rather go drink at a party then when should I stop with criticising it? It's so lazy and I'm sure he's not too bothered to be wetting his pants if he chose not to even study before this. Obviously one more bad 4bet size before his rail tells him again!

I'd have just deleted met

Stu post flop I can understand I guess but not having a solid post flop game plan is inexcusable right?

Reiss 65o bluff was pretty sexy!

Yes, he made himself look like a bit of an arse saying he was the best player.

But you are making yourself look like a bit of an arse with your constant 'trivial call' and 'tiny 3bets lol @ the donks' type comments.

You are not an arse. Please stop making people think you are.

This is meant with love and respect, I trust you know that.

So far I have not seen Reiss make a single obvious mistake. Yes, he folded the best hand on the 733 board vs the turn c/r and river barrel, and I am sure this is a 'trivial call' etc etc. But apart from this (excusable given the intense pressure) 'error', he seems to have played close to perfectly IMO.

Running clubs please!

Sigh

I don't think laughing at people who are playing for 3m dollars heads up and playin a strategy that wouldn't be profitable in a 1 dollar hu sng is sd. I think it's sad that he hsmt taken time out to actually come up with a decent pre flop strategy.

I mean its a poker thread about the main event it's a sport. I call pardew clueless, David Cameron greedy, pedophiles scumbags and if I think a poker player is bad then I think it's fine to say so too.

But sure I don't mind not commentating if it comes across that way but surely that's what we're supposed to be commenting on the play but Ifj it comes across bad I trust you and will stop.

For what its worth I think reiss has played ok. Perfect? I'm not sure.

If we ever do that deep theoretical range session together I'm not sure you would advise me to raise kt on k8q in a. 3bet pot, call 65 on jj3, but for the other 30 hands (half folded or raise and took it or raised and cbet he has been fine! Ofc the one real decision he has had he got wrong too so I'd say far from perfect actually.

Ill not comment more on them though, np.

Interesting reiss isn't wearing a patch, obv wants a stars deal.

First mistake- he didn't open jam j2 for a gazillion bigs

 ;stickaforkinme;

Give Farber a heater, one time!

GL Bedi btw, 3 handed in big55 $19k ftw :)

glgl

BARRY

thatll do

Same again after the break please dealer

gl bedi!

that 55 from faber, eek

He really is playing far far far from perfect though stu. When he has the nuts ofc its easy and he has been dealt so many hands but all marginal decisions he's got wrong IMO

Calling 3bet with a6o with 26bb
3betting j2o
Calling 9643 with kq. (Just basically decided to call his entire range)
Raising kt on kq8 in 3bet pot

His pre flop game generally seems good and I'm sure he's practiced and been professional about it but perfect? Absolutely not

GL George

Go on Farber!!! I was CONVINCED he was bluffing :)

March on Mr Farber!

cant wait on plenos take on the 97cc and QJo hand

What????????????????

Qj?

Stu let me at him!

Ty guys. short now 3 handed hoping to run it up
Like farber

Seriously wtf?

Lol. He wanted to win the tourney with a great play I guess.

Although I was convinced he was bluffing too and Q high does beat ...errrr... some stuff. I guess.

He's probably cleaning the blood from his monitor

I am speechless with what I've seen. I watched a final table online on Sunday and I thought t,myself wow this is really high level and I learned so much.

This is the biggest stage for the biggest prize pool In poker and they can have whoever they want coach them for 3 months and this is what we gt????? I feel cheated, I think espn should pay back everybody their 5 pounds or whatever they paid.

Wwowowwowoowwowowowowowowo

Watching from iPad in Bedi jumped up shouted nooooooo dogs all start barking gf tells me "I've told you to switch that off"


But baby he called him with q high!!!!!!

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interesting

This is hard to watch.

And I'm not talking about the final table.

Go on lad! Started the donking game. And a great hand to do it with IMO - overs, plus backdoors.

If he builds a leading dynamic it will be really interesting. Would fit perfectly into the momentum shift too.

lol @ Antonio.

3bet.net

never misses an opportunity

Great play from Riess last few hands, 3betting with junk. He wants to re-establish the momentum in the match, and senses that Farber will let him do it because he is so relieved to get back in the game that he will relax for a few hands.

And then he turns the screws with the QT. Brilliant.

Yeh reiss should stick to pre flop aggression like mtt guys do. Click click click def best strategy for him and he reads the game flow v well.

Twitters crashed post the aj hand btw.

Agree.

Must be variance given all the awful stuff we've seen.

I mean its also really really simple adjustment? Farber never calls 3bets (see 55,66) I actually don't know if he's alled more than 13bet in the whole match he turns the middle of his range into a bluff or,just folds and the 4bettimg e middle of his rane hasn't worked so well as he uses dreadful sizings and lets reiss call any two oop.

Vs anybody who is good at poker or more experienced at hu I don't like the 82, 83 3bets.

Qt seemed really good though. Farbers back in it and doesn't want to play a big pot and 3bets hands tht he thinks re probably good (tries to,find out where he is t- k9,a8 etc as examples)

Farber should obviously not be opening 100% and having a non call 3bet range vs a guy who has 3bet a lot all match.

JT seems like a super duper clear check back ott and snap river but guess reiss stationed before with qj.

Good play from Riess to turn the momentum straight back. Yeah the AA8 one was gift wrapped for him - but he still had to have the heart and composure to take it.

ugh farbers rail must be cringing, amazing how someone can get this deep tbh, good for poker, seems like a fun guy also.

Gg

The best man won on the night.

Great advert for the main event.

Guess he will gt a stars deal in the morning.

whats the makeup of farbers rail?

Assumed his close friends wouldn't be poker pros given he's an amateur and nightclub owner etc. But Deeb etc there railing etc. too?

To be brutally honest, he has very little chance of winning unless he brutally coolers Ryan a few times, or the blinds get big enough that he just wins a few preflop coups.

Agree great guy, really fun to watch, and would be great for poker if he won. Very sick bluff with the 6 high too, not the play, but how cool and calm he was during the 6 minute tank.

So out of the 59m prize pool how much goes to governments in taxes?

He lived with my friend in Vegas and was a professional live cash player. He we in the poker circles and then he moved into taking them to clubs and getting commission.

Ben lamb, deeb, Sylvia and a lot,of,Vegas based pros are v good friends with him.

Always love seeng the parents at these things they re so oblivious but seem to love it.

Such a douche for spoilering.

Outdone yourself itt pleno tonight.

I just meant after this hand it was gg. I was probably watching same stream as you.




Careful  with the insults though, blonde throws weeks bans for 1 word name calling these days.

Yours respectfully

Only applies to respected posters.

Spoilering a sweat like this is ridic out of line. I've just seen the end this second. A good 10 minutes after your post.

Shame that Farber didn't win, would have been so much better for the game.

Got right back into it and then spewed like something out of the exorcist :(

Ouch a bit ott here

It's a open forum don't think u can blame him for his posts

I remember u did a spoiler on fb for the monte final when kev Allen won also

Wind it in, gents.

I turned my 'phone on this morning and the sports news app pinged up with a picture of the chap who won avoiding his bracelet aloft. Saved me half a dozen pages. Or tarnished the reveal.

We can all forget who he is in no time, so don't worry.

Jamie Gold though...........

Anyone since Hachem? That was pretty much when I lost any real desire to follow the main event. Maybe when Ivey got there I was interested, granted

Think u will get it to mate and also the commentary boxes for EPT and the lots. U to good mate at talking and bollocking players . But maybe u are really good in this game . #POKERPRO

Michigan’s Ryan Riess Wins World Series of Poker® Main Event

23-year old Michigan State Grad Wins $8.36 Million

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LAS VEGAS (Nov. 5, 2013) – He said he would win the event back in July when he made it to the final table, and 23-year old Ryan Riess is a man of his word after taking down the world’s largest poker tournament in Las Vegas, becoming the World Series of Poker Main Event champion and the sport’s reigning champion.

The trend of crowning a young twenty-something poker professional at the World Series of Poker (WSOP) continues as Riess outlasted a field of 6,352 players who each ponied up $10,000 for the chance to win poker’s most prestigious tournament late this evening at the Rio All-Suite Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The event created a $59,714,169 total prize pool with Riess taking home the first place prize of $8,361,570 and the richest prize in all of sports, the $500,000 WSOP gold bracelet.

Riess, from East Lansing, Michigan, becomes the sixth consecutive player under the age of 25 to capture poker’s top crown.  He also becomes the sixth consecutive poker professional to win the title.

This is the third time a player from Michigan has won the event, the most recent being Joe Cada of Shelby Township in 2009.  Poker Hall of Famer and Grand Rapid’s Tom McEvoy was first to accomplish the feat in 1983.
 
Riess graduated with a business degree from Michigan State last December and burst onto the poker scene just one year ago in October, 2012 when he finished runner up in a WSOP Circuit event at Horseshoe Hammond in Indiana, winning $239,063 after being coaxed to participate by a friend.  It was Riess’ first-ever live poker tournament.

This marked Riess’ first-time to ever play in the WSOP Main Event.

“This is a dream come true,” said Riess after his impressive victory.  “Ever since I saw Chris Moneymaker win this event in 2003 I knew it was something I wanted to experience too.  I’m surprised it came so quickly.”

The 2013 Main Event began in July. As has been the custom in the past six years, play was suspended when the tournament reached its final table comprised of nine participants. Play resumed Monday afternoon; after more than eight hours of competition the field of nine remaining players was narrowed to two: Jay Farber, 29, of Las Vegas, an amateur poker player and VIP nightclub host; and professional poker player and Riess, 23, of East Lansing, Michigan.

Heads-up play began Tuesday evening and lasted more than three hours before we crowned our new champion.  Farber was eliminated in second place, winning $5,174,357.

Rounding out the final table were:

3rd place: Amir Lehavot, 38, of Weston, Fla., $3,727,823

4th place: Sylvain Loosli, 26, of Toulon, France, $2,792,533

5th place: JC Tran, 36, of Sacramento, Calif., $2,106,893

6th place: Marc-Etienne McLaughlin, 25, of Brossard, Quebec, Canada, $1,601,024

7th place: Michiel Brummelhuis, 32, Amsterdam, Netherlands, $1,225,356

8th place: David Benefield, 27, of New York City, NY, $944,650

9th place: Mark Newhouse, 28, of Los Angeles, Calif., $733,224

A total of 648 players cashed in this year’s WSOP Main Event.  Players from 83 different nations and ages ranging from 21 years old to 92 years old competed in the WSOP Main Event, including dozens of celebrities from the sports and entertainment world.  But Riess was able to outlast all 6,351 of them, despite his first-ever attempt in this event.

Riess now has $8,658,488 in career WSOP earnings, which moves him into tenth place on the WSOP all-time money list.

Tuesday’s WSOP action was carried with a 15-minute delay on ESPN; Monday’s play was covered with a 15-minute delay on ESPN2. (The delay is per gaming regulations to protect the integrity of play)

The 2013 WSOP attracted a record 79,471 participants in a total of 62 events, generating a prize pool of more than $197 million. Participants in WSOP events hailed from 107 countries in 2013.

 

Spotted on Twitter earlier this morning......

Tony Kendall (Tikay) ‏@Tony_Kendall 53m
@ryanriess, @WSOP Main Event Champ. Now you can be the @SkyPoker UK Poker Champion @dusk_till_dawn next February. Your seat is reserved!

PS - And no, I don't expect a reply, a million to one against, but no harm in asking. Think his presence would be staggeringly good for UK Poker as a whole, with wide media coverage & all sorts.

Congrats to the fella, anyway, the Final was rubbished by the 2+2 hard cases who seem to live in their insular poker bubble, but how can anyone not be pleased for him?  

Fancy waking up today with that stash of money on the bed. His life has changed forever.  

He will reply your tweet later mate . He's still counting his $$$$$ at the moment . Give him a chance to read his tweeter account later .

He is a host not a nightclub owner, small diff of a few million $'s

This.

Ah bad information sorry. Maybe he will buy one now then.

Pretty sure he's just going to go ballist on watches/cars

The rest, he'll squander.

Totally disagree fwiw

Best

He has to give $1m to that delightful man Dan Bilzerian first. Then pay tax. He will barely have enough left to keep himself in hookers and blow.

Farber arguably made the worst first impression on me since Telscher. Borderline repulsive character, crying about running bad in WSOPE, berating opponents and genuinely meaning it, his sponsors didn't appear massively impressed with his behaviour and assume just tolerate him because they have to. Dempsey assured me he wasn't like this before making the FT but all these reports of him being a "top bloke" couldn't be further off the mark imo

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How come? Its a great advert for wsopc thats for sure!

How come? Its a great advert for wsopc thats for sure!
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Same old story that is alienating to anyone who isn't currently a grinder/poker geek. Nothing to say. Nothing to see. Move along...

Agree on the WSOP C to be fair, but who cares about that?

"arrogant big time guy who can be a real dick but who knows how to be nice" is how a mutual friend described him to me.

Looking at the stream last night, compared to July, I'd imagine he will spend more on steroids than coke  :D

Think Ben Lamb may have had a piece too, he posted a pic of a brand new Ferrari on Twitter with 'You shouldn't have Jay'.

The reason why the stnd of play wasn't very high at this final table was because most of the players were not very good, Benefield clearly the best player (and came to play as well hence the K9 and K2 3bet AI's which I dont think anyone else at the table would have made) I actually think JC played fine, the french guy was pretty meh farbor a fairly bad player, reiss is a decent player but nothing more than that Mcluaghlin again decent nothing more that lehavot seemed to be pretty good actually but no-one stood out as a world beater.

There is nothing wrong with this at all, and the spectacle of them playing for so much money (nott like HSP where people who have been playing high stakes for years are playing 400/800 with 40% of their action) this is guys playing way outside their comfort level and that is what makes me enjoy watching it - Riess' face OTT during that Farber 65o bluff was fkn priceless.

Last year the stnd on the FT was outstanding, because there was some v, v good players left 5handed, that isn't going to be the case in a poker tournament everytime, as anyone who has ever entered one should know, so the  baffelment from everyone about how bad everyone played is pretty silly really.

Give Riess a lot of credit though, he battled through a very intense situation admirably and got the job done. He did get a very good run on the cards though but Farber would have needed more than that to beat him imo.

Also- the JJ comments, obviously taking it down pre-flop with JJ is a great result, every pre-flop win worth about $60k in equity.

Maybe he helped coach him and this was payment?  I read before the final that he was friends with Ben Lamb and Vanessa Selbst.

My major complaint was that a guy had 15 hours to prepare for the biggest HU match of his entire career and he entered it playing at the level of a 1 dollar hu sng loser. Its just sad to see this when so many people would give their right arm and leg to be able to be in this position. This is the biggest day of his life and he just doesnt seem to care about it.

Reiss was technically bad but it was evident he spent sufficient time trying to build a good counter adjustment game plan, which pre flop worked pretty well. The calls, folds, raises etc post flop I understand take years to master or to get better at as a full ring live mtt player will just not get as many close spots because of the ranges and stacksiyes they play with and against, so that criticism is pretty harsh I agree.

Dont you think though that we can berate, wow, shout, scream etc in this thread, its our version of the world cup final and I want to be involved, I want to be emotional about it, I want to sweat it hard and I want to be a vocal know it all fan, just like I would be in the world cup with England or the FA CUP 4th round with Newcastle, I dont see why that is so bad? If it was the dtd deepstack thread and I was like OMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGMGOMGOMGOMGOGM 5x ??? then I think this would be really bad, and wouldnt intend on doing so in the future, but this is the big one! The WSOP MAIN EVENT!!

To be fair that description could describe a huge proportion of the American male population of his age group.

He was trying to sell 40% before the event

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sick, he prob had like 20-30% i guess? blitz had 20%.

I would guess that you are one of maybe 50 people in the world that feels this way about the wsop final table.  It is certainly not a big number, even of poker players.

hm I was at dinner with 12 guys who felt the same yesterday, so would take the over on 50! Im surprised more people arent as passionate or emotionally involved about it. Every year Ive stayed up till 7am watching it.

One year Joe Cada 4bet jammed 99 and Moon called wth QJ

I was pacing around my room listening to an irate Hellmuth commentary. I couldnt watch the cards fall, I fistpumped the low flop, had my hands on my head on the turn and river stood up at 8am after not sleeping all night. I love it!

I think you're perfectly entitled to be like WOW LOL BAD WTF these guys if you feel that way, I'm just saying that whereas you and timex are very surprised that some weak poker players played some weak poker, even with time to prepare, I am not.

I still loved watching it, and 100% gonna watch it next year, an the year after its a huge deal :) Last year when I had two good pals on there sweating it was fucking incredible so I really really really hope one of the UK lads gets himself on their next year so I can rail from where poker is sposed to be railed from - the sidelines with a triple rum and coke not giving a fuck what the flop is or who bet what.

I'm probably the anti-pleno in terms of my approach to poker, but I agree with him way more than I disagree here.

Post match analysis always better then watching poker....

That's a really good post, Pleno.

I don't think I'm that enthusiastic about anything. Except possibly semicolons.

You are a pro poker player as such i feel you should show other pros respect. In the same way that Messi wouldn't go on twitter and say "lol how bad was that by Rooney" if Rooney made a mistake in the WC Final. You of course can have your feelings and express them privately by all means but going after fellow pros who are playing in an exceptionally unique situation is not on imo.

Deliberate mistake?

I agree with this too, and if I was a double bracelet winner like yourself or a big pro with lots of exposure I definitely wouldnt go about it on twitter saying lots of stuff.

Im just a


posting on my local forum where only people who read are people i know virtually or in real life.

If Messi came to a world cup final and tried really hard but missed a penalty he probably wouldnt be deemed poorly by his fellow professionals, if it was the biggest game in his life and he turned up fat, hungover or like he just didnt care Im sure others would be disgusted.

I guess I am the Joey Barton of poker. Decent championship player who says it as he sees it.

just one small point. Its not true, your statement. Widely read and lurked by all sorts of people you don't know in the poker industry.

This might have been/had the potential to be a high profile thread, though in practice less so than previous years as the WSOP final probably doesn't have the pull/didn't this year.

I think you under-estimate the impact of your posts on here - and their passion - on how you are perceived good or bad

; )

Surprised no ones corrected Pads on sweating Newcastle in FA Cup 4th round comment....dream on :D

Whilst Joey Barton might be a good player, he is a prick. He is largely disliked by both his peers and football fans. It's entertaining to watch his antics, but he comes across terribly. Please don't tell me you really view yourself that way.

I think a bunch of your posts all over the forum come off badly. Don't wanna start a war here but I'm not the only one who thinks so. Can chat about it on skype if you like but would be good to see you post in a slightly different way sometimes because theres a lot of great stuff in what you write.

Purposely didnt put final haha, although I have been to 2 finals for Newcastle, a charity shield and 2 away matches in Barcelona. Zilch points.

I guess the fact the the WSOP Final Table pretty much passed my by for the 4th year in a row confirms that the whole November 9 thing remains the worst decision ever made for the casual follower.

Finding out the final result has pretty much become an irrelevance these days, which is a real shame.

I think that he comes across as a prick in probably 1% of his tweets, he just tweets a lot and is very honest so a tiny minority of the time he will look bad and this is what people remember. A lot of his content is really really good.

I agree with you too because im the same as him, i post in the rail, blogs, updates, staking, pha, lounge and sports! Im very opiniated, tell it exactly as I see it and dont think sometimes before posting, I apologised to red dog in my thread where I thought I was ool to him but just went back over this thread and think it is all standard. Im passionate about something, I post a lot and if ive posted 15000 times and 50 times have seemed like a prick then its such a small minority but ofc people will always remember this more than any other post.

Helmet.

(that was a joke)

Wow supporting the Joey Barton of poker analogy, cool.

The problem with being someone who 'says it as he sees it' is that's generally a terrible way to live your life. It will constantly alienate and upset people. It's just a basic human life skill to not do this. Call it tact, diplomacy, consideration or just kindness, but these are all good qualities to have as a human being that 'saying it as you see it' tends to be in constant conflict with.

I'm sure we;d all love to believe we;d be playing strong, optimal poker with $8,3m on the line

This is a really good thread.

Spent longer reading it than watching the final fwiw.

i struggle too do it with $8.3 on the line with out the M in there

I think it's really judgemental saying that someone hasn't worked hard or isn't listening. Yes he has coaches in the corner but it's a bit different when you're sat at the table alone.

Not everyone's poker motivation is to be the best in the business. He's probably say playing heads up thinking about how much of his money he can spend on hookers and blow.

Poker's always been a leveller- if this guy makes some sizing mistakes doesn't mean you can call a spade a spade.

Plus I wouldn't say anything to him with those guns. just in case

he was a professional poker player for a long time in Vegas too, hes an amateur now but hes played a lot of poker. Going to 2.7m to 4.5m is jsut inexcusable there is really no way it should ever happen.

Im not asking him to want to be the best in the business, im asking him to respect the luck hes got to get to where we would all dream of and make the best of it. If for some reason you were allowed to play for Man United in one match and you had 3 months to train, would you go in there for the first 5 minutes with no studs in your boots? Youd be really prepared and ready to go, the technical stuff (post flop) would obviosly be excusable but if you hadnt gained fitness etc you would be  an idiot.

Def wouldnt want to take him on in the ring.

last from me in this thread though, tried to just say how i felt about it and enjoyed watching the final too.

gg, grats reiss

Can we get red dog itt

If I was gonna get 5.3m regardless I might try and score whilst eating a kebab

Ha you owned me with that post. Moving you up to 5-10 ;)

Can you come back and explain this please?

I only watched it play to the final table the day before and all credit to reiss he was 11 th ? With 4 million chips he kept cool and got there ,farber  had some good cards to get his stack going and kept it up to come second ,he probably entered the main event as a rec with a dream like some of us do ,even tho we know we can't win ,fair play and well done to both of them ,personally I've enjoyed watching the coverage on espn and no doubt will do the same next year too  
Same as with darvin moon v joe cada there was always only going to be one result !  The pro / grinder should win

His 3bet sizings were incredibly small.

For example when he made 2.4m, Reiss was making it around 6.8m, and generally going 2.5x-3x his open size.

Reiss opened to 2.7m or something and Farber 3bet to 4.5m when they both had 100bb stacks with k9 and a8, hands that would naturally fall into a passive defend range (just call) but instead he decided to 3bet them (fine, wte) but chose ridiculous sizings. At the first chance possible his rail called him over and he changed his sizings similar to Reiss.


What I meant was that he had 3 months and having the basic sizings is so standard to have, if youre heads up and somehow do this then whatever it could be excusable, but not preparing when you are SO lucky to have Ben Lamb, Deeb, Vannessa etc in your rail and entourage just made me feel angry about it all. Im probably weird.

again, espn showing this misconception.

farber was a 5-10 reg professional for a long time.


It took me 7 years to get there!

He has been a professional player, hes not a random punter.

Thanks. And to be honest I'm minded to agree. I wouldn't hate on the guy for not doing so, and ofc it's his life to do with as he chooses, but it does seem a bit of a wasted opportunity. That said I think lildave is more likely to be correct. Big stage, huge money, he just didn't play optimally. Pretty easy to do. I'm likely the world's worst heads-up player and made some terribad mistakes at the only £100 tourney I've got heads-up in. Finished second obv, like a pro.

Some of the posts in this thread and on 2p2 by supposed 'heros' and big winners actually disgust me.

You've got a guy who has paid $10k, and got to where he is probably largely by luck.

He doesn't deserve to be torn apart by every pro and spotty 22 year old who crush the game.

If Havant and Waterlooville had made it past the 6th round a few years back against Liverpool and ended up playing Man Utd in the quarters, would you expect every top pundit and top player to be tweeting and commentating on how shit they were playing? 'OMG, how did he miss that from 20 yards out, ROFL how did he not manage to hit that man from 40 yards away'.

You need to grow up, have some respect and let recreational players play however the fuck they want. It doesn't matter one bit how much effort and preparation you perceive them to have or have not put in. What if they were just happy with the $1mill they made and saw anything else as a bonus?

loving all the football analogies itt.

Its more like a random guy luckboxed a chess freeroll to play for 3m dollars but hes gauranteed 1m.

He can be happy with his 1m, but if he didnt plan some openings or how to defend it would be silly right? Its exactly the same here.

Im sure if it was the biggest chess match in the world each year and super high profile the chess pundits would be amazed too.

He was also a professional poker player (7th time posted itt now)

For balance, I didn't agree with your posts in the other thread this week, but I 100% agree with this. Made for terrible reading some of pleno's posts itt and then to spoil the ending 10/15 minutes before the stream cos Duhamel had tweeted the ending was just the tip of the iceberg. OK not that big of a deal, but still spoiled it for me and others no doubt.

And to just defend the comments by saying "I'm the Joey Barton of poker, I say it like it is, deal with it" is just a joke.

"Respect the chance he's been given and prepare properly" etc etc - just the biggest load of drivel you've ever come up with. Actually probably not.

For extra balance you can actually agree with him and with pleno (based on his posts in the last couple of pages). What pleno is saying is not actually in conflict with this.

God Alex no idea why you continue this personal vendetta.

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Ive posted all opinions and thoughts in this thread all youve done is moaned. Its 16 pages later, Im saying my thoughts and explaining tzhem and as usual youre either asking for red dog, or moaning about me, why keep checking 16 pages later, why keep reading my blog and replying. If you dont like it why do you keep posting?

Really have no idea what your intentions are but almost every post is just trying to make me look bad in some way or another, if you disagree say your reasons and we debate. Its a poker forum ffs, were allowed to say what we want if we believe in something or are passionate about something. Finally a thread about poker which is not about DTD and somebody saying what they think and its "disgusting' "terrible reading" etc. Blonde just so awful and boring when this is all I ever receive from you, Ive no idea what Ive done personally to you for this ridiculous vendetta, Ive absolutely no interest in you love nor hate, nor do I want to argue with you. With your posts in my blog I even laughed them off and tried not to cause an argument that Im sure you were looking for.


Your last posts itt.

I havent bit to you at all, nor all the posts in my blog that you tried to stir it up with.

Mods if this isnt constant trolling what exactly is? I look bad for trying to discuss things on a forum and this is all I get?

I think the November Nine thing makes a big difference to the point being discussed. You are given time off where you are expected to prepare. Expected to get a coach. Expected to have a game plan. Fair enough if you don't want to do any of those things, but equally fair enough to comment on people who haven't prepared.

The tone and nature of those comments is more what's being called into question in my view and that is an area where I totally agree a lot of people lost their minds and lost my (and many other people's) respect as a result*.






*not talking about pleno here as I didn't actually read this thread until this morning

Silly? Potenitally

Yours and everyone elses business to ridicule them on live coverage, twitter, forums etc where their friends, family, other recreational players that like to play the big tournaments and anyone else thinking about trying to get into the game to read? Absolutely not

If I miss the grand prix on a Sunday and don't want to know the result, what I don't do is check the BBC F1 sports page. ;whistle;

Whilst I'm not convinced it is actually a viable comparison between chess and poker, it is actually a point worth making that there was a lot of noise made about how the challenger for the last world championship got to play for the title.

There was a knockout comp to decide who would be the candidate to challenge the champ, Vishy Anand. Due to the format, one guy was able to get past a few of the favourites on tiebreak blitz games. He then got beat by a guy who had overachieved to get to the final. "The winner should really never have got the seat", was the view expressed and many mocked Boris Gelfand's ability against the absolute elite.

But he got there.

He won games of chess against other people who were rated more highly.

He isn't going to go down as one of the all-time greats, much as there won't be many people with Oliver McCall boxing posters on their wall. Did he deserve to be playing for the world title? You bet your opening book he did.

He didn't disgrace himself and pushed Anand close. He is a top ten/top sixteen player in the world but still took stick for daring to have a chance to be World Champ.

These guys earned their chance by taking everyone else's chips over a week of hard graft, winning flips, sucking out and being fortunate enough to have enough chips when they lost hands to still be in.

I do think it's interesting to see a pro taking such an interest in this result. I have an image of Pleno doing a ketsbaia on a nearby chair, tho...

I wish I could ignore it all pleno but you post 50-100 times a day in every thread on the forum, so it's kind of hard. I like many others have tried to ignore and keep the peace but I cracked lately. Will go back to biting my tongue every minute of every day.

Lol, it's nothing like that. Everyone on the forum was watching the same stream, sweating every hand together "he's got it", "he's bluffing" etc, calling in cards, predicting the result together etc, it was fun. Obv the stream is on a 15 minute delay, Pleno found out the result from twitter from a post from duhamel (who apologised later) and snap posted itt when he knew.

Agreed ! He's like Jason Herbert , posting 100-150 post per day . Lol

WSOP 2014 ME Champion - Pleno1 - forgone conclusion?

I hope to god one day I win a few mill and everyone things I'm a terrible player, I think I could just about deal with that  :D

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Don't get your point. I got your average posts per day wrong?

Good line "bro".

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Hero brah

i meant if im posting 50-100 times a day in every thread then youre doing the same.

I really did not want to comment in this thread but feel compelled to now.

Pleno I dont know you but you may be a good guy in real life but in this thread you come across to me as an egotistical prick.

So what if people make mistakes in their biggest situation of their life!

 I remember when poker was fun and you were not ridiculed by people who would never possibly be in the same position to know what it felt like.

Grow up and take your head out of your ass and start living and breathing the real world not just your very insular poker world.

goodness knows how you will cope when you have real life issues. I also suggest you bookmark this thread and look back on it in 10 years time and you might understand where Im coming from

Peace

Not seeking to be funny, but for as long as there have been card games, there have always been people who ridiculed the standard of other people's play. There just didn't used to be internet fora for these views to be aired. People had to make do with talking about them behind their back (or occasionally in the casino car park).

Think we had just reached the conclusion that abuse doesn't really get anyone anywhere.

Play nicely, chaps.

i wish the 10 guys who all pmd me that they totaly agree and dont want to look abd would just post so im not in the minority!

Poker has always been fun though mate, people have always been ridiculed too. Im not calling out Ali Mallu for calling a 3bet with 86s here in a Naps 50 pound rebuy, people have always been criticle of pros, whether that be Jamie Gold, Phil Hellmuth, Isildur, Jerry Yang or Darvin Moon.


but sure, youre welcome to youre opinion sir and ive tried to express exactly why i feel like i do in the thread. Again just to reiterate I dont mind that they made mistakes in the biggest moment of his life, I dont think i mentioned anything about farber playing post flop. I was commenting mainly on the fact he went into a lot of our ideal dream situations and fucked it off and didnt come with a snip of a game plan, or so it seemed. I feel the absolute same way about Alan Pardew nearly every week when it takes him 35 minutes to realise he is using the wrong formation vs the opposition!

Its sad I come across that way to you though mate, Im just a poker fan boy who really gets into it. I doubt Ill look bacm in 10 years and disagree with what I said itt, but Id defintely love the chance to get to heads up and realise how absolutely terrifying it could be, Im sure I would make some big mistakes too.

Im 26 next year and trying to experience life a little bit, dont worry there has been some rather big life problems too, its a poker forum though so Id rather keep my private stuff to myself and discuss my hobby on this site.

BTW, i said how well almost half of the table played too, perfect and way better than I could have done (shoving ranges that they claimed they practied inbetween the last 10 and November 9)

Peace x

Nails internet 'fora' and a beautifully subtle reference to chopping others' money up in the car park veiled as a relevant post.

Flash git ;)

Peace too

I will always remember my favourite day in Vegas. It was  when my good friend Lawrence Gosney won his bracelet, he certainly did not play "perfect poker" but he got the job done and at the end of the day that is all what matters. I was happy to be on the rail living every moment with him....those were the days LOL

Absolutely Im sure those moments are the absolute greatest! I was in Vegas for 2 months or so this year and have been a few other times too. My best time has been playing nl100 in a really small casino where everybody was with 50bb maximum and I was talking to a guy who had the most polar opposite life to me possible, I loved his enthusiasm for poker and he really appreciated my side of poker too.

For the Boatman final table too, another great thing. So, so many that I would never ridicule or criticise.

Being there when a friend is in his absolute element must be extraordinary. Maybe one day I can final a WSOP and see how many friends from Blonde I have left to be on the side and wish me well!

Yeah but is there a link to the final table yet?

'Kin tabs ::)

Is there really 10 people that pm'd you to agree with you?

Seems pretty sad if that's true.

Not from the point of agreeing with you, but from the point of view about being wary of agreeing with you on a poker forum.

Pm sent to let you know whether I agree with this post or not.

I'm gonna call bullshit.

It's the classic way to make out that people agree with you.  

Can we let it lie please? you've had your say, pleno's had his.

.................draw a line under it............................

:)

Maybe black out their names pleno and screenshot?

I Pm'd Pads not as i agreed with him or from being wary of agreeing with him outwardly and my pm was just a general fanboy question but I do feel he gets a lot of flak at times when he is just genuinely imo just a passionate person about pokers obv and this forum in general and someone who gives an awful lot to this forum as does Alex and many others.

Obv am fanboys of both!!

How much u get paid mate ?

$5 I'm really cheap ;)

Ok sorry, I shouldn't have risen to it.

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I don't doubt he gives a lot to the forum. I haven't disagreed with him about the heads up. I haven't seen it yet, so can't say one way or the other. I just found it sad that ten adults are scared to agree with him on a forum.

.....and now the insane hedge makes an appearance.

and now tikay makes an appearance!

Some people like to keep their hedges privet

stop beating around the bush

Wasn't planning on reading thread as genuinely didn't want any spoilers. Got called over as I heard it was going off and it was looking like an abercrombie and fitch top or two might get ripped or bloodied..

First get the tap in out of the way


Strictly come dancing ldo


Massively disagree with Pleno posting a spoiler. Hate that shiz and Doobs will confirm of what I think of spoilers givers.

That said I did think Pleno had been getting a fair bit of shit recently, especially in his diary. It seems to be all sorted with RED-Dizzle but Alex looks to have taken the reigns.. I don't see any need for it really. KillerKillsby seems to troll Alex, Alex trolls Pleno, it's all a bit meh. What I'm basically trying to get at is... when the fuck am I gonna get my own troll?

shut it milli, you got so damn lucky losing the grand prix!!!!

they arent very nice alex and i really dont want to get into an argument with you over a forum or try and make you look bad with what other people said of course not all were about you and some were just agreeing about farber.  One of them was saying you were a "bully" and that you go out of your way looking to pick on people and thats exactly what youre doing here, and I agree with that.


Im not the one looking for an internet row, all i ever do is give my opinin, and ive wasted far too much of my time worrying what you think. If you want you can ask me on skype and ill show you edited out and then you can just stop following me around trolling here as Ive no idea why you do it.

There is a feature on blonde where you can block certain members posts, if you dont like them just feel free to do it, Im going to enable the option now.

Peace.

Shut up monkey, now go make me some tea.

NATO or Julie Andrews?

Lolz NATO tea. Oldschool. In civvie street they call it "A builders tea". I have 5 sugars. Not sure what the name for that is..

unhealthy



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Alex is a bully lol.

Yeh lol, literally never been called anything like that in my life before.

I'm the Luke Chadwick of poker lol

More like Noah Hickey imo

For those not familiar with this classic:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQbBTPcIDbs

Or good old Ronny

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVq5-u7MH0

Marv

or Fahad Khalfan.  ;whistle;

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-02w-2dFvkM

or samir yachir

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHjz6tDmoUI

anyone else just railing insane footy misses on youtube now?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVMaIUSeRxA

No relevance to Alex, other than it's about the same age as him

For Vinny obv  (Scottish balance itt)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OzdCbwlPgc

Bahhahaha.

Tal. You are a legend. I love it when it all kicks off and you pop one of those little gems in. BoB please Tighty. Especially as I Mystic Megged all this last night on page 5/6.

No pm from me. Although I really enjoy pleno1 pha and truly admire his play and success, I find it difficult not to find his stance slightly cocky. Mainly because his biggest live mtt cash is not even the buy in of the event he is discussing.

I remember reading somewhere that the best strategy for Nov 9ers was to concentrate on the things they were good at or reinforce their usual style. As things they are used to are easier to repeat when under extreme pressure. Maybe like a golfer has muscle memory?

I think pots odds would be hard enough, without 3 bet ranges etc. if you are not used to all that attention of this event.

Don't think I've ever had 1 pm about a post I made on Blonde, let alone 10.

Thread has gold throughout though.

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I'm enjoying this rail

 ;popcorn;

We have a winner

I love Pleno, did he go over the top in this thread hating on the Nov 9? Sure (at least in my opinion), does it matter one iota? No. The guy keeps saying it, he is very passionate about poker and excitable about this event.

I've read a lot of PHA threads lately and very much enjoy his (even if i don't understand what is being said a good 20% of the time) he's a credit to this forum so lets cool of the hating.

PLENO for MOD!

Pleno for god????

He will be insulted by being offered such a pedestrian role......

2,1

What possible sequence of events led to that being filmed?

"So, ladies, we would like you to wear this tiny bikini and box underwater."

"Sure, but only if you film it"

Throwing in the towel must take ages.

Maybe they had an argument on an internet forum? Just hope we don't have to watch blonde's version.

Alex and Pleno fighting would look much the same

Thanks to the 13 guys who pm'd me saying they thought the above was funny.

:D

Was thinking about this earlier, how in forums there is often so much level 0 and level 1 thinking. Wish generally poker players applied a bit more level 2/3 thinking to real life stuff.

Wins thread

I would like to nominate pleno for the advent calendar this year. Would be a real shame if he missed out to rastafish and joe hachem again.

Apologised on Alexs diary and understand my faults. Spoke to some wise old men (sorry Stu) haha and they make you see sense.

I sent Alex 10 images of people pming me etc (no names ofc) and will draw a line under this now. Id obviously not lie about something like that Im hard faced enough to just have people hating.

At least the rail is back on track, I was waiting for Aaron to tell me something about me not reading the rail haha.

GTFO 1,2.

Either thanks  ;danafish;

WSOP 2013 - Main Event Final Table Part 1

up on u tube now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85s1tlX5iB0

I am genuinely dumbfounded that 10 people really pm'd you.

Why don't they speak their mind here? So pathetic if you ask me.

? Huh its easy right?

If somebody is saying something and everybody is like OMG YOU ARE A PRICK, YOUR OPINION IS FKN RETARDED, would you come on and say the same things? But anyway lets leave it now, I sent Alex the stuff to stop me being accused of trying to stir stuff up when I genuinely just would prefer it all to be left now.

ok i'll just say it. Willing to bet you $500 that there weren't 10 people pm'ing you.

#canthelpmyself

First rule of gambling young New York Cosmos...

Never bet on facts.

This.

(Celebrity ITT)

Cos remember pms can mean a number of things.

It's implied that they are pms on blonde, but pm is private message so could be a text or Facebook message or a carrier pigeon note.

lol cos we just made up and now want to bet vs me? i dont want to take your money, i already took enough on Sunday  ;grr;  Ill skype you though if you want..


500 isnt worth losing the trust from people, the 100-1 off multiple of Alexs friends was tempting enough for me to accept a couple of nights ago though!


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YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU.

His tweets from wsope ,aim event. Don't think he would have been the best ambassador

lol sorry i just couldn't help myself.

the idea that you got 10 pms on here about it was hilarious but ok ok np :)

I respect what everyone thinks and their right to think it, but making a pretty arrogant, kinda rude post calling someone arrogant is kinda silly imo

As usual Dave you are quite correct.
BUT
The comment wasn't meant to be rude, just an opinion after spending a hour reading the whole thread.
Found the comments made by Plano pretty pathetic and annoying imo.
I see no valid reason for anyone to spend such a long time berating players for there play ever.
Given that it was the wsop final table & playing for insane amounts of cash that is my opinion on the comments. 
I think a bit of time away from poker may do him the world of good. Real life ftw.
Sorry if you felt I was being harsh on him. 
Wouldn't do for us all to be the same. 

Hey domalson

Understand exactly where you are coming from. I do thi k it was more me posting 3-4 times and then having to repeat what I said as different people disagreed rather than a constant barrage of abuse from me.

I felt that he showed a little bit of a lack of class in his preparation, followed up by his comments to the rail "I just don't care anymore" and then his twitter abuse, I think he would have been a very unpopular winner.

I went into this hoping he'd win. One of my closest friends is his best friend so was pumped for him. He'd even been coaching him a little bit!!!

Anyway apologies if I came across badly, it was my cup final, I'd stayed p till 8am and was just abit too passionate about it all.

My apologies again and I hope it doesn't stop you from wanted to read future threads here.

Have a good evening.

Yeh fair enough good points, the only one I disagree with is saying you see no need for him to spend so long berating players, it's his time and he was passionate about it - I actually personally agree with your thoughts that pads was getting a bit carried away, but hey it's his right to get carried away should he wish to right?

Anyways as you say would be very boring if we all acted/thought the same :)