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Title: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 20, 2013, 04:44:29 PM
The Person Behind The Picture

It's took alot to finally decide to write a diary on here, but I've decided that there's nothing better than a place to express thoughts and feelings, and put down details of a life few would realize is as crazy and unpredictable as it actually is. Obviously for my first post it's probably best to give a background into who i am and why (hopefully) you would give a damn to ever read this past it's opening post. I don't plan to mince words on this, nor do i plan to skip details...so be warned that these posts could be long...but hopefully interesting nonetheless.

My name is Peter Thorpe, currently 22 in a small town well known for being a university hub (Beeston, Nottingham), rare be the day that you walk down a street and not see groups of five plus people carrying obscene amounts of alcohol around, normally you'd think it was just a bunch of chavs descending on the local park into the unlucky arms of the old lady that wasn't fast enough to flee the bench she was sitting on. But around here you quickly learn which groups are which, believe me, they make it fairly obvious.

I'm an eccentric, and a pretty big one at that. Always a fan of the big occasion sometimes I would go out of my way to create large spectacles...Never one to turn away from a party and (As the poker world has found out) always one to challenge the wardrobe for common decency. I love to look the part, play the big role and celebrate when things go right unlike anyone else. I might not be able to win tournaments that often but give me 30 people to organize on a night out and I'll show you what partying is meant to be.

I'm Also a massive believer in the power of a positive atmosphere...and I love to be able to build up hype around a situation to push the drive to succeed even higher. Usually the way I do this is through music. It might sound daft but I've gone out of a house happy, listened to some specific tracks on my two mile walk to DTD and by the time of arrival been confident enough to take anyone on...I am one of those strange ones that can use music to work themselves up, probably more than most.

Throughout my life ive been "Blessed" with a family that looks as if it came straight out of a soap opera, the first member of my family to visit a courtroom on the decent side of the law (I was on jury duty in 2011, the only person actually able to perform such an act in the family). Every week presents new opportunities to be amazed how half of these guys aren't locked up or worse...But that said it's a family unit I would never turn my back on...My parents have hearts of gold and it's the ultimate contrast on some days, one moment you'd wish the world for them, the very next you'd wish the world rid of them...And the extended family are prone to even more extremes. I think it's safe to say we don't get along, at all...and it's always a battle of one-upping the others. Fortunately until now I've been on the better end of that exchange. Although not for trying to screw it up.

I feel so happy that I've had the luxury of being relatively intelligent and have, throughout my academic and personal life, excelled at anything I've ever put my mind to. The issue being the latter part of that...I'm very impulsive by nature, and my mind tends to get bored incredibly quickly. Which poses it's own problems every day. If I don't find something mentally stimulating I tend to find and implement any excuse possible to avoid doing it. Which has posed large problems throughout my life as, you'd expect, I find exams and the whole concept of studying rather lackluster. As such school and college were rather subject to "Scraping the barrel" and getting exactly what i needed and not one point more. Until I failed college and thought the world was falling apart. A year at Derby University, purely because of clearing, to try and get things back together...I can't thank my two universities enough, for they have helped me find who I am.

Through my two universities, three degrees and four years of study I've had the chance to develop the kind of independent thinking, critical analysis and perception on the world that I'd searched for all of my life. Being an only child was a major issue to the effect of being wrapped up in cotton wool...I'm a fiercely independent individual and always wanted to do things my way. Sure i'd fall down along the way, but it's those kind of life lessons that define who you are. It has molded me into the person I am to, for better or worse. So obviously when i was largely choked down by rules and lists of stuff i could not do i naturally lashed out, it's been a rough ride but I wouldn't change it for the world. Why would you? It forms the person you are.

Where I go from here is a mystery, after these few years I don't feel the traditional job is right for me, never in life have I been content with being an also-ran, never content with merely being a place filler in society. It might seem crazy, but if my kids ever asked what I did and I couldn't tell them stories from my life besides the 9-5 office job, I'd consider it a failure. Which brings me neatly onto my hobbies, interests and the reason you find me here.

The Gamer, The Dreamer, The Believer

I'm competitive. More-so than anyone can actually realize. Losing is a nightmare I'd prefer never to have to suffer, success is a tool to move forward with aspirations. That's the way I've basically lived my entire life. I've been a gamer since the days I first learnt to walk and talk. Wherever something existed where i could face-off against people my equal or better i threw myself headfirst at the challenge. Through my lifetime I've had the chance to go down many routes both related to gaming and not related. I was one of the highest ranked under 16's for chess in the country, undefeated in all forms of go-karting and quadbike racing for the under 16's (16-0 record, for those wondering), Gold I ranked starcraft player, 3rd in the UK for digital racing games (Gran Turismo 4 was when i reached my peak). Games have formed the backbone of my life and defeating them was always of the highest priority. When i was given console games as a child I would start one and be relentless in completing it...8-10 hour days were common and while alot of people disagree with the idea of a 12/13/14 year old doing nothing but computer games it provided me with something which, at the time, life could not. An ability to challenge my intellect against others. I prided myself on being taught games in the morning, and a nuisance at them come the evening. Something I still pride myself on to this day.

My current gaming obsession is League Of Legends (LoL), to put it simply it's a team based strategy game designed to test quick reaction times, complex strategies and multiple areas of mental prowess. You start off on a map with five distinct positions in three lanes of battle, the opposing team has these same characteristics and at the beginning it is simply your skill against one other person. But being a team game if your opponent is better than you it puts you at a distinct disadvantage, as he can buy better equipment, gain levels faster and generally harass you. Lose early and you suffer for the rest of the game. But that's not all, for being a team game you can help out other lanes, the strategy is endless but so are the risks, if you came out of the "lane phase" worse than your opponent, when the big end game fights start to happen over key objectives, he likely has more to fight with than you do. So a small mistake early could easily snowball and cost not only you the game, but your four teammates as well. It's a hyper competitive environment and i love every second of it. The main reason i adore the game is not because i have yet to defeat it. But that you realistically can't. It's not like chess where there are a finite amount of moves, this isn't solvable. Sure you can have optimal lines of play but if your opponent throws you a curve ball and you can't adapt then they will pull an advantage and it's up to you to react to that and pull it back...

...sound familiar?

The Poker Dream, A Lifelong Ambition

I started playing poker when i was five years old in a pub in my hometown, the parents wanted a peaceful drink, i wanted to go out and do something...naturally I needed a tactical distraction so they threw me into the hands of a family friend who taught me "this interesting game" as he put it. It was no limit five card draw. And i'll always remember the first hand i ever played, as it taught me everything there was to know. We both bet 40p (My pocket money was on this), he drew two and i drew three keeping a pair of 8's, my draw improved me to trips and i jumped up and down cheering and shoved 80p in his face. He just folded.

WHAT?! BUT I'M AHEAD! YOU HAVE TO PAY ME!...And that was when he explained the little nuances of the game, the art of concealment, and naturally i was hooked. He wasn't getting away with that, I wanted my damn money!...From there, it's developed, much like LoL has in recent years. A test of skill, deception and bravery. And i haven't stopped playing since. Every chance i could at school (Which was alot, considering i lost most of my break-times to bad behaviour) me and a few kids would sit down with our pocket money and play out a game, and naturally I'd crush...I was reading poker books at 8 years old, they'd learnt the game that week. Was hardly a fair fight.

As we grew older the game changed to hold'em around 11/12 years old (2002/2003), I was playing this game before moneymaker had even shown the dream was a reality. And so did the stakes. 5p/10p was what we played at school and the kids would sit down with a decent chunk of change (I was at a private school for my secondary years, so everyone had alot of money to spend.....or donate to me as the case was)...the teachers turned a blind eye on alot of occasions and every so often they'd join us in free fun games, was always a blast and was exciting to play those older than me. I never won against them in the early years, by year 11 on a skiing trip I was smashing the teachers for their money as well as the kids!

I started playing online at the age of 14, when FTP was stupid enough to have merely a tick-box asking if I was over 18 I was always going to abuse it. Over the years I ran up and lost around 15 freeroll bankrolls, Coming out of it annoyed but with new lessons. Then when I hit 18 everything changed.

Dusk Till Dawn had opened a few years prior and even as a acne ridden 16 year old I was glued to this very site watching the updates of how much they struggled to turn an old arcade room (Which i used to frequent, go figure) into the ultimate destination in Europe for poker. Naturally two days after my 18th, off the back of the Norwegian open, I sat down to my first ever game...and I've never looked back since. It's been a fun journey, and one I hope never ends.

On my 18th birthday i sat down and wrote out my goals, aspirations and dreams for this wonderful game. They serve as the reason i spend every waking moment dreaming of what might be. They are my lifegoals in this game and while i may have added some since then. The principle has always remained the same. I keep them as a closely guarded secret but once i tick the last one off, like all my ventures in the past, I will retire from this game with my head held high, knowing i had achieved everything I set out to all those years ago. Dusk is my home, many great people have walked out of those doors to become something truly amazing. I hope to be a part of that. No matter what it takes...I've got a wide selection of friends and backers alike who have aided me so far. And i play with my heart on the line as much for them as i do myself. When all is said and done i hope to sit down with them and go "yes, this was a good thing we did"

Where From Here?

My apologies if this has gone off on about fifteen tangents, apologies if it has left some parts hanging, hopefully it shows my past, present and future desires both in poker and out of it. I'll try to update this as much as i can as a personal diary, I've ran a blog for a few years and that was fun. Hopefully this can be just as exciting. And i hope you enjoy reading it as much as i do writing it. Writing is a passion of mine as it gives you an avenue to express yourself in ways words could not. Let's see how it goes :-) It might not be brilliant at first but i promise you i'll take things on board to make it better as we go :-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: BangBang on December 20, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
Subscribed.. Looking forward to the updates...

Like the shirt and tie combos btw..


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 20, 2013, 05:01:00 PM
Subscribed.. Looking forward to the updates...

Like the shirt and tie combos btw..

As you'd expect, I create my own wardrobe ;-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on December 20, 2013, 05:57:13 PM
Cough http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=58441.0 cough

Tal standard diary questions:

1. You have three musicians/artists/groups/DJs to headline your own concert. Who are they?


2. Street Fighter character of choice (am thinking SF2 Turbo - the nut game - but will accept any character)


3. Mario Kart driver of choice if you were a gamer but somehow not a beat-em-up player (weirdo)



4. Baked beans with or without the little sausages?


And a serious one:

You talk about having lots of goals and being very driven. How do you measure success?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 20, 2013, 06:13:50 PM
Cough http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=58441.0 cough

Tal standard diary questions:

1. You have three musicians/artists/groups/DJs to headline your own concert. Who are they?


2. Street Fighter character of choice (am thinking SF2 Turbo - the nut game - but will accept any character)


3. Mario Kart driver of choice if you were a gamer but somehow not a beat-em-up player (weirdo)



4. Baked beans with or without the little sausages?


And a serious one:

You talk about having lots of goals and being very driven. How do you measure success?

1. Tiesto, Armin Van Buuren and Chicane...basically three of the best DJ's of all time, it'd be a trance festival ibiza would be proud of!

2. Retsu from the original, purely because his exit from the temple is something i'd end up doing!

3. Wario, purely because ive been compared to him SO OFTEN

4. With them, those little tins you got as a kid were the highlight of my childhood eating!

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Usually i set out on tasks or challenges with a set goal in mind, if it's something that can reach a conclusion then i target that, if it's something rather open like LoL or poker then i set life goals...my measurement of success is two fold, one being the realization of those goals and aspirations, and the second is personal fulfillment. If i find something mentally challenging and i succeed in it, then usually that alone is enough for me to carry it on without the need for material gain or anything to that description. With poker as an example i could go on to give away all of my winnings to backers but if i achieve my life goals and find it mentally fulfilling, then i'd be happy regardless...for me the monetary side acts as a score card rather than anything else


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on December 21, 2013, 02:00:19 AM
Nice to see I made the cut for your prof pic.

Glgl with the diary, poker, and life in general. Not sure what else to say as I've said it all in pm's!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Eso Kral on December 21, 2013, 10:35:31 AM
Nice start!

Why not post the goals and aspirations so we can all sweat with you on here?

Have you stopped wearing the suits and ties for tournies now?



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 02:35:45 PM
Nice to see I made the cut for your prof pic.

Glgl with the diary, poker, and life in general. Not sure what else to say as I've said it all in pm's!

Gonna say, everything's been covered pretty much ahaha

Nice start!

Why not post the goals and aspirations so we can all sweat with you on here?

Have you stopped wearing the suits and ties for tournies now?


I might follow this post up with a screenshot of it, all of the goals are quite extensive and I'm very aware of how ludicrous some of them might be, that said if i didnt aim for the skies what would be the point?

With regards to the suits/ties the answer is no. I know it was a source of quite a bit of joking and criticism and while at first i reacted quite negatively, I've come to realize that while some people may think it's over the top and a tad obnoxious, personally i feel like when i make the final stages of a tournament it's a big occasion for me, and it's personal preference that matters the most. Sure to alot of people on here they come up 12 to the dozen but i've only made four day two's in my life (Despite nearly $20k in winnings) so when i make them i want to look proud that i have. Plus with regards to the suits themselves i am a massive advocate for looking smart at the tables, never have i subscribed to the hoodies/headphones idea and while ive tried it in the past it felt completely wrong, it's all about comfort in those stages and wearing something that makes me look like im straight out of a court-case that Gok Wan designed is actually rather comforting...sure, i don't wear them at every given opportunity. But whenever i make a final day i will be in a suit. And that goes for any tournament i play.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 02:42:26 PM
Right, i had kept this rather hidden from the world but i suppose a sweat is always fun...Now bear in mind some of these might make you laugh (and they do me) but this was pretty much completely designed when i was 18, an idiot, and thought that some things were a big deal...now i know different, but i wont take them off, all i plan to do is add to this list (The main one to be added to is the location one, im pretty sure the rest is covered)

(http://s10.postimg.org/5nd6kj1ux/Lifetime_Goals_21st_December.png)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on December 21, 2013, 03:08:15 PM
A few personal questions to ask if u don't mine . U don't have to answer if it's to sensitive .
Are u gay/homo/swing/give/take or none of the above . Do u work/play poker for living/still studying / or work on the street? Do u think u play poker pro or just for fun ? Thanks :-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 03:23:49 PM
A few personal questions to ask if u don't mine . U don't have to answer if it's to sensitive .
Are u gay/homo/swing/give/take or none of the above . Do u work/play poker for living/still studying / or work on the street? Do u think u play poker pro or just for fun ? Thanks :-)

Nothing is too sensitive, Always answer everything i can unless specifically told otherwise.

1. Completely straight, none of the swinging stuff or anything like that. Had a girlfriend for the best part of 14 months now (Still don't know how, she must be mad!).

2. Still studying until July 2014, my income stream is student loans and poker only.

3. I'd say personally i play semi professionally borderline actual professional. Not because of my skill level but because of commitment and volume. It's most certianly gone past fun for me now in regards that i play only for a laugh. I find fun from success and i try to work tirelessly towards that. I can't say i'm professional YET but that said if i ever came into a sponsorship/backing or a large enough sum of money to give me financial stability id drop the degree in a heartbeat. This game means the world to me and while some may see that as a "dark road to go down" if any forum can understand my passion. It's this one :-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on December 21, 2013, 03:29:52 PM
looooool no holding back Frankie!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
looooool no holding back Frankie!

Ive heard worse, trust me


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 21, 2013, 05:23:18 PM


I but i've only made four day two's in my life (Despite nearly $20k in winnings) so when i make them i want to look proud that i have.

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#thinbrags


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 05:26:02 PM

(Despite nearly $20k in winnings)

#thinbrags

Ultra thin, but i make do ;-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 21, 2013, 05:29:07 PM
not a cash game player?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 05:37:21 PM
not a cash game player?

Not at present, I've never quite been a fan of the idea that i can take someone out for chunks and (as happened to be in the past) someone stand up and declare "im going to get that bratty nosed bastard" and put down a wallet i could never contend with...i love tournaments more for the strategy that is present in that, usually, once you are gone you are gone, none of this "well i have one bullet and you have fifteen" bullshit.

I reckon if i had the kind of roll that could withstand the variances of cash games i'd probably be better suited to them due to my playstyle, but for as long as i need backing into XXL's, it sorta makes clear cash is not something for me!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 21, 2013, 05:47:06 PM
surely as a semi pro/ pro as you said, 20k winnings etc
not a cash game player?


I reckon if i had the kind of roll that could withstand the variances of cash games i'd probably be better suited to them due to my playstyle, but for as long as i need backing into XXL's, it sorta makes clear cash is not something for me!

if you play semi pro/pro why do you need backing for the xxl's? or bowls as rexas likes to call them


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 05:59:58 PM
surely as a semi pro/ pro as you said, 20k winnings etc
not a cash game player?


I reckon if i had the kind of roll that could withstand the variances of cash games i'd probably be better suited to them due to my playstyle, but for as long as i need backing into XXL's, it sorta makes clear cash is not something for me!

if you play semi pro/pro why do you need backing for the xxl's? or bowls as rexas likes to call them

Semi pro/pro with regards to volume and the fact it's a primary source of income for me. The reasons i require backing on basically all levels is simply the issue that, at present, im flat broke...and i do not subscribe to the idea that "if you cant afford half yourself you should never play", because if that was the case i'd have forgone the last three years entirely

with regards to the $20k winnings, it is as most pro's are, visible as winnings, but only so much reaches my pockets...i will do a blog in a later date explaining why im now broke


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on December 21, 2013, 06:16:34 PM
looooool no holding back Frankie!

Ive heard worse, trust me

What worse have u heard from me ?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 06:17:40 PM
looooool no holding back Frankie!

Ive heard worse, trust me

What worse have u heard from me ?

Not from you, but in general. I've had to answer some strange ones, if i remember the best ones i'll stick them on here for a laugh


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 21, 2013, 06:19:53 PM
surely pro volume is playing most nights/ online/all over the country. GPS, deepstacks, even smaller comps elsewhere. lot of the guys around dusk, who are pros, alex, stato etc are always playing online, or travelling all over the place. would possibly see that as a pros volume.
then again, i really dont know how often you play, but as you said in the last post im guessing yo havent got the backing for the bigger comps. think alot of people under estimate what it takes to be a proper reg 'pro'.
dont mean to be playing devils advocate, but i know what the likes of Pleno, lildave etc will say when they read!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 21, 2013, 06:25:22 PM
surely pro volume is playing most nights/ online/all over the country. GPS, deepstacks, even smaller comps elsewhere. lot of the guys around dusk, who are pros, alex, stato etc are always playing online, or travelling all over the place. would possibly see that as a pros volume.
then again, i really dont know how often you play, but as you said in the last post im guessing yo havent got the backing for the bigger comps. think alot of people under estimate what it takes to be a proper reg 'pro'.
dont mean to be playing devils advocate, but i know what the likes of Pleno, lildave etc will say when they read!


Nah it's all fair points and I'm open to changing my view on things...One thing i'd question however is i defiantly do not see myself as an amateur anymore, so it would have to be semi-pro if i was to land myself anywhere. I don't consider myself pro in the same breath as those guys (I'd take some serious flack if i did, and rightly so!). One can be professional by definition, but not by peer assessment. This is one of those corner cases from the look of things.

With regards to the bigger comps i have backing on tap for anything up to the £300 deepstack, What's not known is my intentions to start travelling a bit more as of next year...My volume is fairly decent, it's far more than the XXL regs, but not as much as those that just came back from Prague for example. The aim is to start to play bigger come 2014, which is part of the reason i started this in the first place. As an avenue to express myself during the ride.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on December 21, 2013, 06:38:17 PM
surely pro volume is playing most nights/ online/all over the country. GPS, deepstacks, even smaller comps elsewhere. lot of the guys around dusk, who are pros, alex, stato etc are always playing online, or travelling all over the place. would possibly see that as a pros volume.
then again, i really dont know how often you play, but as you said in the last post im guessing yo havent got the backing for the bigger comps. think alot of people under estimate what it takes to be a proper reg 'pro'.
dont mean to be playing devils advocate, but i know what the likes of Pleno, lildave etc will say when they read!


im a silent observer!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 21, 2013, 06:54:43 PM
surely pro volume is playing most nights/ online/all over the country. GPS, deepstacks, even smaller comps elsewhere. lot of the guys around dusk, who are pros, alex, stato etc are always playing online, or travelling all over the place. would possibly see that as a pros volume.
then again, i really dont know how often you play, but as you said in the last post im guessing yo havent got the backing for the bigger comps. think alot of people under estimate what it takes to be a proper reg 'pro'.
dont mean to be playing devils advocate, but i know what the likes of Pleno, lildave etc will say when they read!


im a silent observer!

 ;whistle; ;hide; a trivial observer?




Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on December 21, 2013, 08:04:16 PM
i think ive said trivial probably 7 times lifetime lol


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: DrDreh on December 21, 2013, 11:40:27 PM
Verndog is the best.  Listen to him and you'll never go wrong.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on December 21, 2013, 11:45:09 PM
Verndog is the best.  Listen to him and you'll never go wrong.

Wow Vern, I didn't realise you had two accounts


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 22, 2013, 12:04:34 AM
haha what can i say Gilly, i have many fans! rehfish, ill give youn that 20 quid tomorrow ;)
ha sorry pleno, trivial was more a term for you being a silent observer!
ice shade, what are your plans for 2014 then?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on December 22, 2013, 01:21:02 AM
haha what can i say Gilly, i have many fans! rehfish, ill give youn that 20 quid tomorrow ;)
ha sorry pleno, trivial was more a term for you being a silent observer!
ice shade, what are your plans for 2014 then?

His plan for 2014 is to be like his hero Frankie !


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 22, 2013, 01:40:28 AM
What are the 4 majors you refer to in your goals? Some are totally unrealistic, I was kind of prepared to go, lol do you know how hard winning the Main Event will be, but I think some of these might be harder! Progressing in poker as purely a live tournament player will be next to impossible due to the volume and variance etc. I'm trying not to be too negative here, but realistic goals are important! Absolutely nothing wrong with grinding it out at the small stakes though.

I've never got into LoL/Starcraft or any games like that, one of my best mates was top 3 in the UK for a while at starcraft, but I think it'd be before you were around. How come you choose blonde and not liquid? Do you post there as well? Been kinda dead for a while I guess. What level do you play LoL at?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 22, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
haha what can i say Gilly, i have many fans! rehfish, ill give youn that 20 quid tomorrow ;)
ha sorry pleno, trivial was more a term for you being a silent observer!
ice shade, what are your plans for 2014 then?

Plans are to increase up to playing exclusively £100-£1,000 for the year, three on my radar are GPS Notts, the UKPC and the UKIPT...those are for certian. Also plan to try and satellite ALOT more and not have a reliance on backers for everything, sure they will always be there, sure i'd never turn my back on those that have helped me so far and i will sell even if i sat, but i need the ability to get packages to places to offset travel and accom, that way i'll play basically anywhere.

Want to sattelite into one EPT before the year is out, not saying which or when, but i think that's realistic with enough effort.

His plan for 2014 is to be like his hero Frankie !

Is it? Coulda fooled me ;-)

What are the 4 majors you refer to in your goals? Some are totally unrealistic, I was kind of prepared to go, lol do you know how hard winning the Main Event will be, but I think some of these might be harder! Progressing in poker as purely a live tournament player will be next to impossible due to the volume and variance etc. I'm trying not to be too negative here, but realistic goals are important! Absolutely nothing wrong with grinding it out at the small stakes though.

I've never got into LoL/Starcraft or any games like that, one of my best mates was top 3 in the UK for a while at starcraft, but I think it'd be before you were around. How come you choose blonde and not liquid? Do you post there as well? Been kinda dead for a while I guess. What level do you play LoL at?

Four Majors: WSOP ME, EPT Monte Carlo, WPT Champs and PCA

Nah i know some of them are borderline impossible but i'm not one to suffer from aiming too high. I know for a fact becoming no. 1 and HoF Etc. are insane, but i'd be lying if i said they werent dreams...one thing to note is that the blue section is across an entire lifetime, why not aim in the stars? got a good 60 years to get there! :-D

I chose blonde because of it's affiliation with dusk basically, I cant for the life of me remember the exact thing that made me learn of this place but i know it was around the time of dusk trying to get it's license...i'd imagine i was just reading forums (was a member of a few defunct ones before this) and stumbled across it. Not 100% sure. As for liquid, i had no idea of such a site until your post :-D

With regards to the gaming side, i've played starcraft for around three years, so might be before my time, not sure, and as for LoL i'd say im on the better half of the world at present, reactions are good and my strategy in 5v5's is fairly decent, i think my mechanics aren't up to scratch yet though, they are leagues better than when i first started but considering i play alongside Platinum/Diamond players im a complete ball bag in comparison. I'm Bronze I at the moment but that was because of placement games being a tad shit, reckon i'm high Silver...something like that, so a reasonable standard but a long way to go to be actually good


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on December 22, 2013, 02:00:41 AM
where do you sell action and at what markup?

sorry if i overlooked but what about online? it would seem perfect with your gaming background.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 22, 2013, 02:07:54 AM
where do you sell action and at what markup?

sorry if i overlooked but what about online? it would seem perfect with your gaming background.

Usually sell on facebook seeing as that's 1. the place that always sells and 2. because i meet none of the requirements on ANY forum to actually post on the backing sections :-D

I always sell at spot price with stakeback, but with a cut for myself off the top. What that cut is naturally is open to people throwing me suggestions about what i should be playing for or what they are willing to buy at. Anything between 90/10 and 75/25 in the backers favour usually. Unless i am capable of putting money in myself and the event is of a reasonable size, then it's straight spot. I used to charge markup but that was before i understood what it was or it's implications, as such i just don't anymore.

Online i've never quite had the bankroll to be able to give it a proper stab, as such my results are largely sporadic and to be honest most come from the 09/10 period where i didn't take online seriously at all and saw it as a break from live (stupid idea in hindsight, but cant change the past). You are right in the gaming aspect in the sense that when someone suggested HEM2 to me it took somewhere in the region of about ten seconds to get used to it and a day of fiddling about to have a HUD set up to my preferences. The analytical maths side appeals quite alot too. I'd give online a go though in the future for sure.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: ruud on December 22, 2013, 10:54:49 AM
What subject are u studying at uni? How do u find the work/poker/RL balance at the moment?

Do u purely play NLHE, and does your backing extend to online? I can't imagine you really believe there is a future in being a UK based solely live tournament grinder?! Not trying to offend, but this seems like madness if that is the case....


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: shipitgood on December 22, 2013, 12:05:32 PM
What's with the suits? You are playing poker not sitting in some office, where something comfortable when playing.

You say you have goals, which we all need but these should be manageable and achievable, short term and longer term.

If you are serious about playing poker, why would you not spin up a bankroll online playing mtts, where instead of playing 1 game you could play 5/6 MTTs at the same time and get in a good amount of volume.

If i was you i'd play online as well as live.

Do you work/ study?

Good luck with your poker journey



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 22, 2013, 01:46:12 PM
What subject are u studying at uni? How do u find the work/poker/RL balance at the moment?

Do u purely play NLHE, and does your backing extend to online? I can't imagine you really believe there is a future in being a UK based solely live tournament grinder?! Not trying to offend, but this seems like madness if that is the case....

International business administration. The balance is fairly decent at the moment, although I know six deadlines are coming up across the next few months so that could change...although I can usually finish one report a day so I'll likely set a week aside and just get the lot done.

NLHE is, with regards to others, one of my weaker games, I play every game in existence except for those that you'd only see in the shoes of the high stakes DC games, I don't know death stud or any trash like that, but if there's a bracelet event of it, I can play it.

It does extend to online and you are completely correct, I know for a fact live UK events alone will not suffice save for a massive win, so yeah I am looking to branch out wherever possible and online packages are something I've moved into as of late


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 22, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
What's with the suits? You are playing poker not sitting in some office, where something comfortable when playing.

You say you have goals, which we all need but these should be manageable and achievable, short term and longer term.

If you are serious about playing poker, why would you not spin up a bankroll online playing mtts, where instead of playing 1 game you could play 5/6 MTTs at the same time and get in a good amount of volume.

If i was you i'd play online as well as live.

Do you work/ study?

Good luck with your poker journey


I find the suits far more comfortable than any normal clothes, by a mile. Personal preference I guess.

Thing is again that's down to personal opinion, my short term goals are incredibly manageable, as those are the ones that keep me driven, goals in the long term are, as they were put, hopes and dreams...I'm not someone who needs to be down-to-earth with those...at the end of the day it's fun to dream right at the top, if you miss then the short term goals will have carried you through, get there and it's just a nice big bonus

The online MTT thing is exactly what I'm looking to do come the new year, I've been toying with it for some time now anyway and have friends with successful blueprints of how to run such things, so I'll adapt those and go from there

No job, but study a business degree until July '14, from there I will get a job that pays the bills but I can imagine 80% of all spare money will go towards poker, what the split is online/live I don't know, I've got people better than me to ask that question to :-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on December 22, 2013, 05:11:28 PM
Well, I'll say on here what I've said before - Good luck, kid :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 22, 2013, 05:48:47 PM
That One Big Chance

Alot is spoken about how bankrolls come and go in this game, you see people make it high, then crash down soon afterwards...I find myself in that situation on a regular basis, over my lifetime (and in poker terms, still a small one) I must have lost upwards of thirty bankrolls...each time trying to take that one shot too high. But i've never made the same mistake twice, so each one has been a valuable life lesson going forward...But for someone in my situation I have alreadt had that one score that was big enough to make a serious shot out of it...until the real world got in the way...

Always Dreaming, Never Succeeding

14th July 2013, Can hardly forget it...three of my best friends had found who are now long term girlfriends, one had proposed on the steps of the Louvre, i'd been asked to be their best man, my first ever deepstack day two and was actually smashing it...all in the same day. It was a wave of euphoria that i hope to see someday in the future...

27 Players left with me and J-Gill tossing banter across tables, me with the obvious chip lead, him grinding away nicely...and even then i knew what was coming. Something in the pit of my stomach told me what was to happen, and it didn't dissapoint. Second to the man himself for £7k, AT LAST! A bankroll to call my own! Obviously some went to backers but they had all sworn by my side for the future! That coupled with money that i'd been saving for years meant that the impending trip to america was going to be the greatest ever. I was going to spend four months in the land of my dreams, then come back armed with enough of a roll to give the tournaments a reasonable crack. Sure bankroll management was going to be a bit iffy, but whats not to try and achieve?

When The World Falls Apart

14th September 2013, two months afterwards...and my entire life could not have been more different. The trip to america had been a complete disaster. Everything it had been billed to be was a lie, 5,500 miles away from home, with nobody in the place i was staying that spoke english (Multilingual universities my arse) and feeling completely lost...Now i know i'll likely hear the line of "should have just held out, might have got better"...I got told by three residents of where i was staying (Long Beach, California) that every problem i had raised was "the way it was there" and there was no way around it...I lasted five days in america, didn't eat a single meal (the two i had both got thrown up), lost over a stone, was in constant emotional states and with knowing what my past was like (I'd suffered depression like this before) i knew, for the sake of my health, i had to get out of america regardless of the consequences, knee-jerk reaction yes, but i know in my heart it was the right decision.

Being back home was torture, i had to spend almost every single penny i had to get back home...to (as you'd expect) one of the frostiest receptions imaginable...now it wouldn't have been bad if not for my parents known method for dealing with issues...threats and violence...lots of them, in the end about a week later i got thrown out of the house and ended up spending all of my remaining money and then some trying to survive...i comfort ate this time round, putting on the best part of 2 stone (still suffering that weight gain to this day) and owing out thousands to the parents after they demanded i pay them back for all the time and effort they'd wasted in getting me there...

Worse still, coming back had put my degree in serious jeopardy, i needed to have 6 months abroad and 6 months working OR 12 months working within that year, what this meant (and another key reason i came back so fast) was that i had until the 14th to get a 36 week placement, naturally given the job market i failed spectacularly...

So here's me, two months off the back of having nearly five figures at my disposal and being on top of the world...flat broke, owing out, jobless, homeless, disowned and about to sign on...i'm not going to lie some fairly drastic things went through my head in those days...dark things i'm not proud of.

Silver Lining In A Mushroom Cloud

If there is one thing i am good at it's talking my way into and out of anything. And this time showcased that to it's truest potential. I had my first meeting with the job center planned for Tuesday 24th September...and i had decided (off my own back, obviously, seeing as the parents wouldn't even speak to me at this point) that on the monday i would get myself back on a degree, whatever it took. I had rang up Derby University (where i'd spent my clearing year) and explained the situation, they'd told me to ring a specific person who could get me back on the course i had been on at the start (Business Studies)...so i had a backup plan. My line was going to be walking into trent and basically reading them the riot act, clearly there had been no "safety net" for me and i refused to believe that i was the first person in the uni's history to have gone down the route i had (turned out i was, not a record i want)...we were to get me onto a degree that day or i was going to withdraw that afternoon.

I'd been given the private number of a tutor who ran a course for business defectors (Something that had been kept from me while i was in america and, in hindsight, could have avoided all of the worries, but my dad purposely never told me about it) and the idea was to try and get on his course...i still remember how the phone conversation went:-

Me: I've been told that Yvonne has explained my situation to you? Or should i give you a quick overview
Angelo: No need she has told me, basically i would love to help you but if you don't have 240 credits then there is nothing we can do
Me: But surely there has to be something, there is no way that the university hasnt got something in place! I've worked too hard to see this all lost over a health decision
Angelo: I'm just not sure, it's a very strict procedure.
Me: (Eureka Moment) You know this 240 credits, does it have to be from trent specifically or can it be across the whole academic career?
Angelo: Whole career.
Me: Well then i don't have 200, i have 320! I spent a year at derby before coming here!
Angelo: OH, I was NOT told about this...now we can look at this in a more favorable light!

Information was kept from me, and hidden from them...but in that moment i had felt a wave of emotion unlike any before...i ran, ran like never before to the university...i cleared nottingham from one side to the other in six minutes flat...i was red faced, panting, puffing and heaving, but the smile on my face was all to clear...around a few hours later i put pen to paper and transfered onto my course. The parents never did appologise for keeping it hidden from me, stating it would have been "just an excuse to come back", but it was solved...i rang the job center up right then and there and told them under no illusions how much i cared for it. And that was that...Life saved. Just.

The Aftermath

Hopefully this goes to explain to you all why i'm in the state i am...while you might not agree with how this has gone down, i don't regret any decision ive made...i thought i'd wasted an entire life's work in the space of five days, now im seven months from graduating from a degree that people tried to hide from me, in a country i should never have been in, with parents that have finally seen my way of thinking four months later, flat broke, with no fixed income for at least a while...looking to poker, the reason i had the money to travel at all, to realize a dream that had stood the test of time long before anything else...

Alot of dates got mentioned here...but there's one that overrides them all.
December 22nd 2013
...It was the day i would have arrived back home.

Amazing what can happen in the space of a season. Don't you think?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: ruud on December 22, 2013, 06:17:07 PM
What subject are u studying at uni? How do u find the work/poker/RL balance at the moment?

Do u purely play NLHE, and does your backing extend to online? I can't imagine you really believe there is a future in being a UK based solely live tournament grinder?! Not trying to offend, but this seems like madness if that is the case....



NLHE is, with regards to others, one of my weaker games, I play every game in existence except for those that you'd only see in the shoes of the high stakes DC games, I don't know death stud or any trash like that, but if there's a bracelet event of it, I can play it.



Can I just ask about this bit? How did this come to be the case if you don't play online but exclusively live holdem tournaments?! Sorry but it is just a line I hear quite often but struggle to believe unless you have spent A LOT of times in mixed games. When you weigh up time spent playing Holden versus anything else then surely you have more experience and skills in this area?!

Personally I am a decent PLO tourney player but I have put in some big volume on a variety of sites online to get there. I genuinely middle through the other games when I find myself in


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 22, 2013, 06:23:31 PM
What subject are u studying at uni? How do u find the work/poker/RL balance at the moment?

Do u purely play NLHE, and does your backing extend to online? I can't imagine you really believe there is a future in being a UK based solely live tournament grinder?! Not trying to offend, but this seems like madness if that is the case....

NLHE is, with regards to others, one of my weaker games, I play every game in existence except for those that you'd only see in the shoes of the high stakes DC games, I don't know death stud or any trash like that, but if there's a bracelet event of it, I can play it.


Can I just ask about this bit? How did this come to be the case if you don't play online but exclusively live holdem tournaments?! Sorry but it is just a line I hear quite often but struggle to believe unless you have spent A LOT of times in mixed games. When you weigh up time spent playing Holden versus anything else then surely you have more experience and skills in this area?!

Personally I am a decent PLO tourney player but I have put in some big volume on a variety of sites online to get there. I genuinely middle through the other games when I find myself in

Home games, years of past experience and just a better understanding of the mechanics of the other games, Hold'em is actually one of the later games ive learnt (5CD when i was 5/6, Stud when i was 8/9). Sure i've played more holdem in regards to time spent but id still see myself better in the other disciplines, I couldn't give you hard factual evidence to support this, it's more of a feel when i sit down to play the games.

I'm not saying im amazing at mixed games at all, but in comparison i feel more comfortable


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: ruud on December 22, 2013, 11:53:29 PM
Thanks for replying, we will have to get a Beeston home game going at some point


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 23, 2013, 03:03:57 AM
Thanks for replying, we will have to get a Beeston home game going at some point

Would be more than happy to play in another one of those for sure :-) will take the guess you are round these neck of the woods also?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 23, 2013, 03:08:53 AM
where do you sell action and at what markup?

sorry if i overlooked but what about online? it would seem perfect with your gaming background.

Usually sell on facebook seeing as that's 1. the place that always sells and 2. because i meet none of the requirements on ANY forum to actually post on the backing sections :-D

I always sell at spot price with stakeback, but with a cut for myself off the top. What that cut is naturally is open to people throwing me suggestions about what i should be playing for or what they are willing to buy at. Anything between 90/10 and 75/25 in the backers favour usually. Unless i am capable of putting money in myself and the event is of a reasonable size, then it's straight spot. I used to charge markup but that was before i understood what it was or it's implications, as such i just don't anymore.

Online i've never quite had the bankroll to be able to give it a proper stab, as such my results are largely sporadic and to be honest most come from the 09/10 period where i didn't take online seriously at all and saw it as a break from live (stupid idea in hindsight, but cant change the past). You are right in the gaming aspect in the sense that when someone suggested HEM2 to me it took somewhere in the region of about ten seconds to get used to it and a day of fiddling about to have a HUD set up to my preferences. The analytical maths side appeals quite alot too. I'd give online a go though in the future for sure.

so if you sell at spot, but leave a cut for yourself off the top, surely that means your selling at mark up!? or have i missed something :p


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 23, 2013, 03:28:59 AM
where do you sell action and at what markup?

sorry if i overlooked but what about online? it would seem perfect with your gaming background.

Usually sell on facebook seeing as that's 1. the place that always sells and 2. because i meet none of the requirements on ANY forum to actually post on the backing sections :-D

I always sell at spot price with stakeback, but with a cut for myself off the top. What that cut is naturally is open to people throwing me suggestions about what i should be playing for or what they are willing to buy at. Anything between 90/10 and 75/25 in the backers favour usually. Unless i am capable of putting money in myself and the event is of a reasonable size, then it's straight spot. I used to charge markup but that was before i understood what it was or it's implications, as such i just don't anymore.

Online i've never quite had the bankroll to be able to give it a proper stab, as such my results are largely sporadic and to be honest most come from the 09/10 period where i didn't take online seriously at all and saw it as a break from live (stupid idea in hindsight, but cant change the past). You are right in the gaming aspect in the sense that when someone suggested HEM2 to me it took somewhere in the region of about ten seconds to get used to it and a day of fiddling about to have a HUD set up to my preferences. The analytical maths side appeals quite alot too. I'd give online a go though in the future for sure.

so if you sell at spot, but leave a cut for yourself off the top, surely that means your selling at mark up!? or have i missed something :p

Probably, not gonna lie I'm still not 100% clued up on the whole thing xD


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 23, 2013, 01:23:21 PM
Festive Greetings

Not 100% sure how much I'll be on here over the next 4-5 days, missus going back home and family get-togethers becoming more frequent, I'll get on for short bursts, that'll be about it

So from me to all of your families, have a wonderful Christmas :-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 29, 2013, 04:23:46 PM
Dreaming Of A Christmas....Where I Get Out Of The House!

It'd be funny if it wasn't hideously true...

Christmas as usual went really well, decent chunk of change, few new clothes that I've been in dire need of for some time, more alcohol than common sense and the obligatory game that sees me glued to the house for life. This time, Gran Tursimo 6...good lord.

Spent the last few days literally tearing up the online community. Fortunately I completely forgot my password from the old account so got the privilege of making a new one and pulling an isildur on everyone's ass...nobody knew it was me, the same old faces were playing online...and they all lost. Hard.

Five days, 62% single player completed, over 90 cars in the collection, 8 million credits in the bank and a 73-4 record online to put me in the top 30 in the country....I hadn't played this for AGES...as close to a brag as I'll ever get :-D

And This Is Why I'm Always Broke!

My money management is completely hideous and this Christmas is no exception. Spent a decent amount of stuff I actually wanted to buy along with nights out and such but the short of it is that two games, five days and one poker tournament have seen me smash through the best part of £350....I really need to get a grip on this shit :-/

Fortunately I've got upwards of £6,000 coming in across the next five months and it's staggered enough that I'll be capable of going the distance with it. I've also had a word with my bank to set up a standing order and two bank accounts, so effectively I pay myself pocket money rather than having access to it all in one go...needs to happen really.

Got the GPS Nottingham and the UKPC in my sights, should be interesting as I've only ever played on a tour once, so hope it's as fun as I've been told...that and good old gilly is 1-0 up on final tables in the GPS, sure I'm not as good as him yet, but damn I can dream to even the score!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on December 30, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
glad to here you had a good xmas.
 surely you could pop back to your old school in the new year, and bum hunt your old teachers out of their salaries again in order to get back the £350?
:D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: dakky on December 30, 2013, 08:59:01 PM
How have you done three degrees at 22? I read the post about america etc, not that I understood it all.

What is a clearing year?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 31, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
glad to here you had a good xmas.
 surely you could pop back to your old school in the new year, and bum hunt your old teachers out of their salaries again in order to get back the £350?
:D

Haha I haven't actually visited in years...be nice to see old faces
Knowing my bloody luck they'd take everything else off me :P

How have you done three degrees at 22? I read the post about america etc, not that I understood it all.

What is a clearing year?

A clearing year is basically being at a university who only took you on to fill up places, usually with less grades than they actually required to get on the course in normal time
As for three degrees at 22 it basically goes as follows

Derby University 2010-2011: Business Studies - Was a shithole, nothing was good about the course, got out asap
Nottingham Trent 2011-2013: International Business - Was going fine but languages proved a downfall...when i came back after america i was a module down (It was going to be taken in america) so basically couldn't finish this course at all
Nottingham Trent 2013-2014: International Business Administration - This is what im on now, and what i'll finish on too


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on December 31, 2013, 12:38:06 PM
New Years Resolutions

Why the hell I even do these I'm not completely sure. Considering, like all NYR they just get ditched in under a few months....but at least the ones for this year are not only needed, but tie in nicely to the things I've been planning anyway :-)

Get Fit Again
This one fits into most peoples resolutions and is the only generic one there is. I used to actually have a fairly decent physique back in the day, but alot of comfort eating and general bullshit on my part has resulted in being pretty damn fat at present. I've got a university gym until august at the kind of prices a normal working person would kill for...why not abuse it? Plus I actually dislike how I look at the moment...so it needs fixing

Be A LoL Platinum Player By Season 4's End
One not many of you will understand but happy to explain if asked. League has now taken over from StarCraft and I want to get to the heights of this game just as I would any other. Platinum 5 is not alot to ask given the volume being put in. I could sit here going for Diamond but this seems reachable with enough effort...it requires around a 60% win rate I reckon, and that's doable with some hard work :-)

Play In My First £1,000 Event
This will take either a satellite win (and im talking two or three steps worth) Or some serious backing, I suspect it'll be the latter and I'll be playing for a silly percentage again. But this year there are so many amazing £1k's that I'd be a fool to miss some of them. My eye is squared on two events, the UKPC and UKIPT Nottingham...Obviously if a Monte Carlo gets announced I will try to abuse the inevitable sattelites used to avoid an overlay. Plus I'm going to be coming up to my 5th year playing on the actual scene....If I don't start playing marquee events soon then I don't personally feel I'm giving this the full attention it deserved. Playing in only one UKIPT will not suffice anymore.

Profit £20,000 For The Year
I've cashed for £7,800 in 2013, with an average buyin of £87.86 per event playing 42 events on the year. Not amazing, but it was a profiting year so I can be fairly happy for that...This target is a modest one seeing I plan to increase the events in all regards and that I consider myself better (even if only slightly) now than at the start of last year.

Win 10,000 Points At OFC (All Variants)
This is my goal that is far reaching...but it's hardly impossible. Now that online OFC exists along with the fact I see this being the year it kicks off in style with regards to sanctioned events and such, Finding people to play will not be hard. Now take note this says a points goal, sure I could just get all this playing €0.02pp but they'd be no fun in that. True to form I'm not massively interested in profits and results...but to improve. As such a performance, not monetary goal, is needed.

Be Sponsored By A Known Brand For One Event
Here is the dream. Not to be sponsored because of a satellite win. Not to be wearing a patch simply out of loyalty. But for a known quantity to see potential in me for the effort I put in. Sure this one is borderline impossible (Given the talent on this very forum, for me to get this above them would be beyond immense). But hey, nobody ever said ALL of these have to be realistic. And considering the others are all possible why not have one above the rest ;-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: redsimon on December 31, 2013, 03:12:56 PM
glad to here you had a good xmas.
 surely you could pop back to your old school in the new year, and bum hunt your old teachers out of their salaries again in order to get back the £350?
:D

Haha I haven't actually visited in years...be nice to see old faces
Knowing my bloody luck they'd take everything else off me :P

How have you done three degrees at 22? I read the post about america etc, not that I understood it all.

What is a clearing year?

A clearing year is basically being at a university who only took you on to fill up places, usually with less grades than they actually required to get on the course in normal time
As for three degrees at 22 it basically goes as follows

Derby University 2010-2011: Business Studies - Was a shithole, nothing was good about the course, got out asap
Nottingham Trent 2011-2013: International Business - Was going fine but languages proved a downfall...when i came back after america i was a module down (It was going to be taken in america) so basically couldn't finish this course at all
Nottingham Trent 2013-2014: International Business Administration - This is what im on now, and what i'll finish on too

So you haven't actually got three degrees then! :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on December 31, 2013, 03:21:05 PM
cash or profit for £20k?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 31, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
U play ofc on a site? I'm up for playing ofc for super low stakes or so


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 31, 2013, 04:27:12 PM
U play ofc on a site? I'm up for playing ofc for super low stakes or so


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: tight4better on December 31, 2013, 05:57:24 PM
What class you play in League?

Race in starcraft?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 01, 2014, 03:29:51 PM
glad to here you had a good xmas.
 surely you could pop back to your old school in the new year, and bum hunt your old teachers out of their salaries again in order to get back the £350?
:D

Haha I haven't actually visited in years...be nice to see old faces
Knowing my bloody luck they'd take everything else off me :P

How have you done three degrees at 22? I read the post about america etc, not that I understood it all.

What is a clearing year?

A clearing year is basically being at a university who only took you on to fill up places, usually with less grades than they actually required to get on the course in normal time
As for three degrees at 22 it basically goes as follows

Derby University 2010-2011: Business Studies - Was a shithole, nothing was good about the course, got out asap
Nottingham Trent 2011-2013: International Business - Was going fine but languages proved a downfall...when i came back after america i was a module down (It was going to be taken in america) so basically couldn't finish this course at all
Nottingham Trent 2013-2014: International Business Administration - This is what im on now, and what i'll finish on too

So you haven't actually got three degrees then! :D

God no ahaha, i could go back and finish them all but meh, only if the job market proves to be dog.

cash or profit for £20k?

Profit, No use having five figures and living on the street ;-)

U play ofc on a site? I'm up for playing ofc for super low stakes or so

TonyBet yeah, only online site that runs it at present. And sure happy to have a game, they've got limits from €0.02 to €1 per point and im rolled for most of them.

What class you play in League?

Race in starcraft?

For league my main is AD carry with Sivir, secondary being a jungle Nasus

As for starcraft it's zerg i played the most, always was a fan of the rush


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: redsimon on January 01, 2014, 03:31:41 PM
Not sure if Id play OFC online unless I knew my opponent. Are the games popular there?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 01, 2014, 03:40:15 PM
Not sure if Id play OFC online unless I knew my opponent. Are the games popular there?

As you'd expect it's just starting up so at the most there can be around 70 people online...that said it seems to be picking up day by day.
I actually thought the same until the site came up but the players are so bad i've started not to care. The software seems strong enough.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 01, 2014, 05:33:48 PM
What I'm going to do as more of a motivation thing is to record milestones and goals on here, see if we can't tick them all off...I'll do a round up either every 2 or 3 months...see where we stand :D

Open Face Chinese: Day 1

Quick easy session, was just to keep myself busy really before seeing the girlfriend for dinner this evening, i'll likely play much bigger sessions as the days go on...players were largely fairly bad, seemed to enjoy not paying attention to their opponents cards...at least three times people went for fantasy-land not realizing what was on view meant they were snap drawing dead...I won't complain, let's hope they are just as bad as we move up stakes :D

Sets Played: 8
Points Won: 162
Profit/Loss: €16.90
Total Points: 162 / 10,000
Total Profit/Loss: €16.90


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 12:35:22 AM
I feel very proud to be saying this, but it also comes with alot of nerves...a new year heralds new beginnings and I have come to the conclusion that I need to have the kind of excitement back that was once with me in the golden days...

I will be playing the GPS next week...and I will not be asking for backers...this is my one chance, I may not get opportunities like this for a long time after this year...I have the confidence and sheer belief that we can make it...I know that for someone like me it is an ungodly amount of money...but the time is right...

Now I fully understand that to the people on this blog £440 is a relative amount of money...some of you may see it as a reasonable investment, some merely as pocket change...but for me this is a very large percentage of my current and future income. Sure i'll be told that this is insane, sure i'll be bashed about with people telling me to satellite in. But it's not guaranteed...I want to be able to anticipate next week knowing that it will happen no matter what, and I don't wanting it costing me more than if a bunch of sattelites missed.

I don't really know what to expect...this kind of cash has been put into an event only once by me before...and that was when I was considerably better off...But now...I don't care, I may not, and probably will not, get this opportunity twice.

I have to make this count...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 02, 2014, 12:38:51 AM
Personally I'd invest in a number of tournaments over time in your situation, where you put bits up totaling £440.

Think if you don't cash you will be abso crushed, even if you don't think so at the moment.

glglglgl though


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 12:40:36 AM
Personally I'd invest in a number of tournaments over time in your situation, where you put bits up totaling £440.

Think if you don't cash you will be abso crushed, even if you don't think so at the moment.

glglglgl though

The intention is to play a bunch of events past this, all of the lower buyins...but this is one thats JUST at my kind of price range to go for one big crack at...without actually full blown crippling me


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 02, 2014, 12:42:15 AM
Just hope it doesn't effect you painfully mentally following this event. Saying that, only you know how much it would hurt to bust the comp pre money...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 12:44:42 AM
Just hope it doesn't effect you painfully mentally following this event. Saying that, only you know how much it would hurt to bust the comp pre money...

I go into this knowing the task ahead. I go into this knowing the sting of losing this much money and I'm very aware of potential implications surrounding everything else. If this was the UKIPT/UKPC I don't feel I'd be comfortable enough, but this is just close enough...i think £500 was my absolute limit...and after this year I won't have student loans, I'll have a job to work around most likely and a life to pay for...

If there was ever a time...It's now.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 02, 2014, 12:46:04 AM
Pete, I gotta say I agree with gilly on this one. You sell 100% of all the events you play, but if you've now got some money behind you, surely it's more sensible to continue to use your frankly incredible group of backers, but keep more of yourself. This way, instead of taking one big shot, you take a bunch of smaller ones, thereby reducing the bankroll variance and giving yourself more opportunities to make money. I also think it will cripple you if you put so much in to one event, which can be a very tough one, and fall short.

You've spoken before in this blog about how much shot taking has cost you, and how important it is to learn from past mistakes, and this seems like a great time to do that.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 12:51:30 AM
Pete, I gotta say I agree with gilly on this one. You sell 100% of all the events you play, but if you've now got some money behind you, surely it's more sensible to continue to use your frankly incredible group of backers, but keep more of yourself. This way, instead of taking one big shot, you take a bunch of smaller ones, thereby reducing the bankroll variance and giving yourself more opportunities to make money. I also think it will cripple you if you put so much in to one event, which can be a very tough one, and fall short.

You've spoken before in this blog about how much shot taking has cost you, and how important it is to learn from past mistakes, and this seems like a great time to do that.

I haven't got money behind me per-say...it's more the fact that I won't have any money behind me at all past this...That and the fact the backers are (rightly so) getting tired of the near misses, sure £7k was nice in June...but 2 cashes since then is pure dog.
Problem is for me to spread variance properly would be to enter the bowls...and i've started this year with the intention of NEVER doing that again...fucking hate those comps...pure filthy crap-shoots.

I just don't know...it's beginning to look as if i may be down to my own money anyway. At which point I need to balance pressure and reward...without putting myself through rickjaw-billcock telling me that 85o is the nuts...just...ugh.

I'm gonna sit down and think some more I think...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on January 02, 2014, 12:56:35 AM
surely it's more sensible to continue to use your frankly incredible group of backers, but keep more of yourself.

This is key IMO.  If I had been backing you for the smaller comps then I'd at least like the option of taking a piece in this bigger comp.  It's just good business.

Having a core group of people that you can rely on to take action is something very important.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 12:59:22 AM
surely it's more sensible to continue to use your frankly incredible group of backers, but keep more of yourself.

This is key IMO.  If I had been backing you for the smaller comps then I'd at least like the option of taking a piece in this bigger comp.  It's just good business.

Having a core group of people that you can rely on to take action is something very important.


That line there hits home quite hard...i play for them and its almost like shutting them out :( Yeah, point well made guys. I'll just take chunks for myself


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 02, 2014, 01:01:49 AM
I know as well as anyone what variance can be like in live tournament poker, I'm not in great shape at the moment as a result of an awful lot of near misses. Putting this sort of emotion into one single tournament will ultimately lead you to not play your best, and live every hand to the extent where you will find it ridiculously hard to get over hands you lose, and hands you win (which is definitely just as dangerous).

Those 25's are definitely beatable too, its just that the variance (again with that word) is very high, and can be very damaging to your confidence when you go on a bad run through them. Rehman (I'm not sure if you know him) has a particularly good record in these, and abso crushed them for a good year a while back. You'll find it very tough to move out of these tournaments into the bigger ones because they are so, completely different. "Spreading the variance" is exactly what bankroll management is about, and this is definitely up there with the most important, and most overlooked, skills in poker.

I'm not trying to shoot you down at all, and if you do decide to go for this shot then good luck to you, for sure. However, I wouldn't want to see you waste this opportunity and not only damage yourself financially, but damage your own love for the game and your own emotional state.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 02, 2014, 01:02:36 AM
i feel i am going to join the list of supporters of Gilly and Rexas, not because they are gorgeous, but because they talk sense.
for a start shrugging of the sats at dtd next week seem ludicrous, as they are giving 20 seats every night, well i guess if you dont, ill be doing my best to be there!
think that if you dont have the money or its such a large percent of current worth, your standard of play might be affected to? scared money maybe?
you think youd be better off putting the £440 into 2 bullets of the side event and the £100 tourny they have? just a thought, the side is a great tourny, adiman67583966 won it at star city last year, and hell vouch for it being a great structure and in no way a crapshoot.
lastly, and matt will back me up here, i went through a couple of month period where i went totally off the 'bowl' comp and crapshoot tournys, and wouldnt play them. soon hit me towards xmas that a) they are great fun, can try out some funky things, plus b) can be a great little bankroll booster, if you can run as good as rexas and win one.
wish you all the best if you play it! am sure i will see you next week, maybe even banging your head on the toilet door next to rexas, youd make a lovely, if not ugly couple :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 01:05:11 AM
I know as well as anyone what variance can be like in live tournament poker, I'm not in great shape at the moment as a result of an awful lot of near misses. Putting this sort of emotion into one single tournament will ultimately lead you to not play your best, and live every hand to the extent where you will find it ridiculously hard to get over hands you lose, and hands you win (which is definitely just as dangerous).

Those 25's are definitely beatable too, its just that the variance (again with that word) is very high, and can be very damaging to your confidence when you go on a bad run through them. Rehman (I'm not sure if you know him) has a particularly good record in these, and abso crushed them for a good year a while back. You'll find it very tough to move out of these tournaments into the bigger ones because they are so, completely different. "Spreading the variance" is exactly what bankroll management is about, and this is definitely up there with the most important, and most overlooked, skills in poker.

I'm not trying to shoot you down at all, and if you do decide to go for this shot then good luck to you, for sure. However, I wouldn't want to see you waste this opportunity and not only damage yourself financially, but damage your own love for the game and your own emotional state.

Nah i know, to be honest (as this blog has shown) im very impulsive and i need to thank you guys for not letting me get ahead of myself...i used to crush the 25's back in 2009/2010, but then i moved to bigger events, my mindset and playstyle changed...and now i struggle to re-adapt...BRM was and is something that "for the most part" im good with...i just went nuts over this one...i'll be there, just maybe not with the full 440 in my own back pocket...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 01:06:33 AM
i feel i am going to join the list of supporters of Gilly and Rexas, not because they are gorgeous, but because they talk sense.
for a start shrugging of the sats at dtd next week seem ludicrous, as they are giving 20 seats every night, well i guess if you dont, ill be doing my best to be there!
think that if you dont have the money or its such a large percent of current worth, your standard of play might be affected to? scared money maybe?
you think youd be better off putting the £440 into 2 bullets of the side event and the £100 tourny they have? just a thought, the side is a great tourny, adiman67583966 won it at star city last year, and hell vouch for it being a great structure and in no way a crapshoot.
lastly, and matt will back me up here, i went through a couple of month period where i went totally off the 'bowl' comp and crapshoot tournys, and wouldnt play them. soon hit me towards xmas that a) they are great fun, can try out some funky things, plus b) can be a great little bankroll booster, if you can run as good as rexas and win one.
wish you all the best if you play it! am sure i will see you next week, maybe even banging your head on the toilet door next to rexas, youd make a lovely, if not ugly couple :D

All fair points and im gonna sit down and work this out properly...except for the gorgeous bit...that made me sick ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 02, 2014, 01:09:55 AM

you think youd be better off putting the £440 into 2 bullets of the side event and the £100 tourny they have? just a thought, the side is a great tourny, adiman67583966 won it at star city last year, and hell vouch for it being a great structure and in no way a crapshoot.

Found 4th in one of these before, it is a lovely lovely tourney, although you may turn your nose up a little bit at it having being spoilt by DTD deepstack events.



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 02, 2014, 01:11:40 AM
As a slight alternative if you want to do it this much, perhaps put some aside for sats (e.g. £100). Then if you don't make it through sell the £100 worth of action?

SHouldn't be a huge chunk out of winnings but the sats listed are pretty great and worth a go imo.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 01:12:56 AM

you think youd be better off putting the £440 into 2 bullets of the side event and the £100 tourny they have? just a thought, the side is a great tourny, adiman67583966 won it at star city last year, and hell vouch for it being a great structure and in no way a crapshoot.

Found 4th in one of these before, it is a lovely lovely tourney, although you may turn your nose up a little bit at it having being spoilt by DTD deepstack events.


All i turn my nose up at is the £25 comps....especially as they are back to being reloads...i mean what is this...
I'd sell for an entire package, but that all kinds of would never sell out, i was struggling for the 440 before i even considered doing it myself


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 01:13:54 AM
As a slight alternative if you want to do it this much, perhaps put some aside for sats (e.g. £100). Then if you don't make it through sell the £100 worth of action?

SHouldn't be a huge chunk out of winnings but the sats listed are pretty great and worth a go imo.

I'd rather just get through without needing to distract myself from preparations, sounds retarded yes but that's done me favours before


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 02, 2014, 01:22:27 AM
As a slight alternative if you want to do it this much, perhaps put some aside for sats (e.g. £100). Then if you don't make it through sell the £100 worth of action?

SHouldn't be a huge chunk out of winnings but the sats listed are pretty great and worth a go imo.

I'd rather just get through without needing to distract myself from preparations, sounds retarded yes but that's done me favours before

Interested to know what sort of preparations you're talking about here?

Also wouldn't turn my nose up at any tournament, my start in the game came from grinding the "bowls" in my local casino after learning in the pub tournies.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 02, 2014, 01:25:03 AM
As a slight alternative if you want to do it this much, perhaps put some aside for sats (e.g. £100). Then if you don't make it through sell the £100 worth of action?

SHouldn't be a huge chunk out of winnings but the sats listed are pretty great and worth a go imo.

I'd rather just get through without needing to distract myself from preparations, sounds retarded yes but that's done me favours before

Interested to know what sort of preparations you're talking about here?

Also wouldn't turn my nose up at any tournament, my start in the game came from grinding the "bowls" in my local casino after learning in the pub tournies.

Agree, think people are too worried now a days to move down in stakes to save face (not specifying you btw, just meant in general). Bread and butter games are needed to succeed long term


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 02, 2014, 01:25:54 AM
before i played the SPT, i had played no tournys at all, all cash. week before played 2 or 3 xxl and gala comps, gets you in the tourny mindframe. think playing, no matter what level or buy in, is the best preparation. my opinion of course


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 02, 2014, 01:27:18 AM
before i played the SPT, i had played no tournys at all, all cash. week before played 2 or 3 xxl and gala comps, gets you in the tourny mindframe. think playing, no matter what level or buy in, is the best preparation. my opinion of course

Agree, nothing like busting a bunch of tournaments to get you in the mood to bust another one ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 01:30:09 AM
As a slight alternative if you want to do it this much, perhaps put some aside for sats (e.g. £100). Then if you don't make it through sell the £100 worth of action?

SHouldn't be a huge chunk out of winnings but the sats listed are pretty great and worth a go imo.

I'd rather just get through without needing to distract myself from preparations, sounds retarded yes but that's done me favours before

Interested to know what sort of preparations you're talking about here?

Also wouldn't turn my nose up at any tournament, my start in the game came from grinding the "bowls" in my local casino after learning in the pub tournies.

Agree, think people are too worried now a days to move down in stakes to save face (not specifying you btw, just meant in general). Bread and butter games are needed to succeed long term

Its nothing drastic in terms of preperations...i go over videos for tournament strategy and a few podcasts, along with talking to the odd person about live hands ive noted down...then closer to the time i usually (no homo) get myself a massage or spa session...failing that an evening meditating usually does the trick...i want a clear and calm mind going into tournaments

It'd be less of a move down in stakes...more of staying where i am aha. I just know the comps are fundamentally different and as such i want to play more in tournaments that lend themselves to that kind of upper strategy...playing against fucknuts doesnt help in deepstacks...well, not as much anyway.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 02, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
As a slight alternative if you want to do it this much, perhaps put some aside for sats (e.g. £100). Then if you don't make it through sell the £100 worth of action?

SHouldn't be a huge chunk out of winnings but the sats listed are pretty great and worth a go imo.

I'd rather just get through without needing to distract myself from preparations, sounds retarded yes but that's done me favours before

Interested to know what sort of preparations you're talking about here?

Also wouldn't turn my nose up at any tournament, my start in the game came from grinding the "bowls" in my local casino after learning in the pub tournies.

Agree, think people are too worried now a days to move down in stakes to save face (not specifying you btw, just meant in general). Bread and butter games are needed to succeed long term

Its nothing drastic in terms of preperations...i go over videos for tournament strategy and a few podcasts, along with talking to the odd person about live hands ive noted down...then closer to the time i usually (no homo) get myself a massage or spa session...failing that an evening meditating usually does the trick...i want a clear and calm mind going into tournaments

It'd be less of a move down in stakes...more of staying where i am aha. I just know the comps are fundamentally different and as such i want to play more in tournaments that lend themselves to that kind of upper strategy...playing against fucknuts doesnt help in deepstacks...well, not as much anyway.

 :dontask:  or some retail therapy with the girls for some day 2 clothes?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 01:40:02 AM
As a slight alternative if you want to do it this much, perhaps put some aside for sats (e.g. £100). Then if you don't make it through sell the £100 worth of action?

SHouldn't be a huge chunk out of winnings but the sats listed are pretty great and worth a go imo.

I'd rather just get through without needing to distract myself from preparations, sounds retarded yes but that's done me favours before

Interested to know what sort of preparations you're talking about here?

Also wouldn't turn my nose up at any tournament, my start in the game came from grinding the "bowls" in my local casino after learning in the pub tournies.

Agree, think people are too worried now a days to move down in stakes to save face (not specifying you btw, just meant in general). Bread and butter games are needed to succeed long term

Its nothing drastic in terms of preperations...i go over videos for tournament strategy and a few podcasts, along with talking to the odd person about live hands ive noted down...then closer to the time i usually (no homo) get myself a massage or spa session...failing that an evening meditating usually does the trick...i want a clear and calm mind going into tournaments

It'd be less of a move down in stakes...more of staying where i am aha. I just know the comps are fundamentally different and as such i want to play more in tournaments that lend themselves to that kind of upper strategy...playing against fucknuts doesnt help in deepstacks...well, not as much anyway.

 :dontask:  or some retail therapy with the girls for some day 2 clothes?

You don't even want to imagine what my day 3 clothes look like...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 02, 2014, 01:41:03 AM
might not ever be an issue ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 01:53:16 AM
might not ever be an issue ;)

Ooooooo touche good sir, touche ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: rfgqqabc on January 02, 2014, 02:03:09 AM
I don't understand why people put such emphasis on one comp. I mean I completely understand if your playing for fun and want to play in your local when a big series comes to town, or if you want to punt the Main/EPT etc but if your hoping to turn this into a proper career then bankroll management is of the utmost importance. Investing heavily both emotionally and financially is rarely the way to succeed in poker and making sure you put yourself in the best situation to play the best poker you can is the key. The sats at DTD are unbelievable value and should not be ignored at any cost. They give away absolute heaps in equity and there isn't really an excuse not to play them. Honestly transitioning to a full time poker player is next to impossible soley playing live comps. The bankroll required and variance involved means that expenses eat into a lot of profits even for £440 comps, never mind anything smaller. Obviously you have a good shot of making something happen with DTD being down the road and make sure you use that to help you on your way. Live comps simply don't have a very good hourly for the most part, but as long as they are beatable (not having prohibitively high rake or a terrible structure) then you need to be playing. You need to think long term, and putting the £440 into an online bankroll on one or several sites would make much more sense then one gargantuan punt at a tournament that really isn't any more special than a random deepstack. The best way for you to transition to higher stakes would be to continue grinding the comps you do now, keep working hard off the table and take selective shots in sats to help you play bigger events. How much studying do you do? In November 2012 I started playing O8 comps and since then I've probably done 1-2000 equities in different situations. I can all but guarantee that I ran the most hands through propokertools last year for o8. I also played many "bowl" comps, with small prizepools. I worked hard to make sure I had the tools I needed and the experience to adjust well in taking down bigger comps. Just get rid of bowl out of your vocabulary apart from when describing a stack that is a pittance and you'll be much better off. Ridiculously tilting phrase.

With regards to your preparation, it is all very personal. I know I tend to do better coming into comps more relaxed, when I build tournaments up in my head I tend to do much worse.   I also know I tend to struggle in the first few hours after waking up, so making sure I'm up and active instead of rofling out of bed is key.

Cliffs: Stop dreaming, start grinding.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 02, 2014, 02:04:29 AM
Ok, some honesty.

I think I've seen you at dtd twice. And each time, I've thought, what a knob.

I've read this diary a few times over, and I'd like to apologise. I may have got you wrong :)

Been really interesting so far, and the way you answered all the questions has been good. Only my opinion of course.

Really interested to know more about your family, if you want to discuss them, that is. No prob if you don't, or can't.

Anyway, looking forward to reading more. Really enjoying it, and will say hello next time our paths cross.

Ps. Do you like nandos?

Pps. Fuck the careful ones, take a shot son. You never know what could happen :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 02, 2014, 02:05:13 AM
Haha, wrote that before the hairy one made a sensible post.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 02, 2014, 02:15:09 AM
Haha, wrote that before the hairy one made a sensible post.

what picken or rexas??! :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 02:16:11 AM
I don't understand why people put such emphasis on one comp. I mean I completely understand if your playing for fun and want to play in your local when a big series comes to town, or if you want to punt the Main/EPT etc but if your hoping to turn this into a proper career then bankroll management is of the utmost importance. Investing heavily both emotionally and financially is rarely the way to succeed in poker and making sure you put yourself in the best situation to play the best poker you can is the key. The sats at DTD are unbelievable value and should not be ignored at any cost. They give away absolute heaps in equity and there isn't really an excuse not to play them. Honestly transitioning to a full time poker player is next to impossible soley playing live comps. The bankroll required and variance involved means that expenses eat into a lot of profits even for £440 comps, never mind anything smaller. Obviously you have a good shot of making something happen with DTD being down the road and make sure you use that to help you on your way. Live comps simply don't have a very good hourly for the most part, but as long as they are beatable (not having prohibitively high rake or a terrible structure) then you need to be playing. You need to think long term, and putting the £440 into an online bankroll on one or several sites would make much more sense then one gargantuan punt at a tournament that really isn't any more special than a random deepstack. The best way for you to transition to higher stakes would be to continue grinding the comps you do now, keep working hard off the table and take selective shots in sats to help you play bigger events. How much studying do you do? In November 2012 I started playing O8 comps and since then I've probably done 1-2000 equities in different situations. I can all but guarantee that I ran the most hands through propokertools last year for o8. I also played many "bowl" comps, with small prizepools. I worked hard to make sure I had the tools I needed and the experience to adjust well in taking down bigger comps. Just get rid of bowl out of your vocabulary apart from when describing a stack that is a pittance and you'll be much better off. Ridiculously tilting phrase.

With regards to your preparation, it is all very personal. I know I tend to do better coming into comps more relaxed, when I build tournaments up in my head I tend to do much worse.   I also know I tend to struggle in the first few hours after waking up, so making sure I'm up and active instead of rofling out of bed is key.

Cliffs: Stop dreaming, start grinding.

Fair and very sensible, i think personally i keep overhyping the media coverage and potential exposure that big events bring...with regards to the studying i put probably 2 hours a day in, which i personally don't feel is enough and is something im trying to address...as for the waking up thing totally agree, i plan at least four hours ahead of a tournament as a rule and one of my "rituals" is to walk from home to dusk...it's 2.5 miles and always clears my head before a comp. I've turned down every lift and bus bar two in the four years ive gone.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 02, 2014, 02:19:05 AM
Haha, wrote that before the hairy one made a sensible post.

what picken or rexas??! :D

:)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 02:20:04 AM
Ok, some honesty.

I think I've seen you at dtd twice. And each time, I've thought, what a knob.

I've read this diary a few times over, and I'd like to apologise. I may have got you wrong :)

Been really interesting so far, and the way you answered all the questions has been good. Only my opinion of course.

Really interested to know more about your family, if you want to discuss them, that is. No prob if you don't, or can't.

Anyway, looking forward to reading more. Really enjoying it, and will say hello next time our paths cross.

Ps. Do you like nandos?

Pps. Fuck the careful ones, take a shot son. You never know what could happen :)

Haha, this blog was built with an insight into the person i really am. No need to appologise lord knows you are not the first to get that impression and will never be the last. My personality takes warming to :)

I pride myself on being articulate in the way i speak, sure when im being relaxed in person it may come across differently but when replying to people in this setting or in more in depth conversations then i always make sure to be as proper as i can.

More than happy to discuss my family, me, heck anything people can come up with, it's an open forum and with regards to the past 99% of my life is open to those who ask...there's next to nothing i cant/wont speak about unless sworn to secrecy really.

Yeah would be good to put a face to a name next time :)

ps. Yes, not massively so but i will never be the person to say no to one :)
pps. Hahaha, im still undecided :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: rfgqqabc on January 02, 2014, 02:22:37 AM
I don't understand why people put such emphasis on one comp. I mean I completely understand if your playing for fun and want to play in your local when a big series comes to town, or if you want to punt the Main/EPT etc but if your hoping to turn this into a proper career then bankroll management is of the utmost importance. Investing heavily both emotionally and financially is rarely the way to succeed in poker and making sure you put yourself in the best situation to play the best poker you can is the key. The sats at DTD are unbelievable value and should not be ignored at any cost. They give away absolute heaps in equity and there isn't really an excuse not to play them. Honestly transitioning to a full time poker player is next to impossible soley playing live comps. The bankroll required and variance involved means that expenses eat into a lot of profits even for £440 comps, never mind anything smaller. Obviously you have a good shot of making something happen with DTD being down the road and make sure you use that to help you on your way. Live comps simply don't have a very good hourly for the most part, but as long as they are beatable (not having prohibitively high rake or a terrible structure) then you need to be playing. You need to think long term, and putting the £440 into an online bankroll on one or several sites would make much more sense then one gargantuan punt at a tournament that really isn't any more special than a random deepstack. The best way for you to transition to higher stakes would be to continue grinding the comps you do now, keep working hard off the table and take selective shots in sats to help you play bigger events. How much studying do you do? In November 2012 I started playing O8 comps and since then I've probably done 1-2000 equities in different situations. I can all but guarantee that I ran the most hands through propokertools last year for o8. I also played many "bowl" comps, with small prizepools. I worked hard to make sure I had the tools I needed and the experience to adjust well in taking down bigger comps. Just get rid of bowl out of your vocabulary apart from when describing a stack that is a pittance and you'll be much better off. Ridiculously tilting phrase.

With regards to your preparation, it is all very personal. I know I tend to do better coming into comps more relaxed, when I build tournaments up in my head I tend to do much worse.   I also know I tend to struggle in the first few hours after waking up, so making sure I'm up and active instead of rofling out of bed is key.

Cliffs: Stop dreaming, start grinding.

Fair and very sensible, i think personally i keep overhyping the media coverage and potential exposure that big events bring...with regards to the studying i put probably 2 hours a day in, which i personally don't feel is enough and is something im trying to address...as for the waking up thing totally agree, i plan at least four hours ahead of a tournament as a rule and one of my "rituals" is to walk from home to dusk...it's 2.5 miles and always clears my head before a comp. I've turned down every lift and bus bar two in the four years ive gone.

Bear in mind a white 20 something tourament player that shipped one event has almost no chance of getting a sponsorship deal. I mean look at Alex, Deadman or Rastafish. These guys have gotten a ton of exposure and no deals are coming their way (afaik).

What do you do when you study for the 2 hours? That sounds like a lot but maybe it isn't if your just watching videos or listening to podcasts.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 02, 2014, 02:23:57 AM
Incredible to think the players that have got sponsorship, when you think of the ones that haven't.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 02:27:46 AM

Bear in mind a white 20 something tourament player that shipped one event has almost no chance of getting a sponsorship deal. I mean look at Alex, Deadman or Rastafish. These guys have gotten a ton of exposure and no deals are coming their way (afaik).

What do you do when you study for the 2 hours? That sounds like a lot but maybe it isn't if your just watching videos or listening to podcasts.

Nah totally understand that, I make no bones about the fact they'd deserve it more than me. However, and this may be cause for being flamed but personal opinion here...One thing that sites/companies look for is someone who is engaging, media friendly and someone who can warm to the cameras...now im not saying the aforementioned names do not have those qualities, some of them do in abundance...but there is a big difference between being sponsorship materials, and TRYING to be sponsorship material.

My argument would be that in poker as with anything else. You've got to be a lot better to be gifted professional contracts, but if you jump up and down trying to get noticed, sure you polarize people, but you become more noticeable, and it only takes one to have that punt.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 02:29:20 AM
Hold on, i'll clarify my stance, that last post wasn't brilliant at it.

Putting yourself out there gives you a better chance at anything than those who purely let results speak for themselves.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on January 02, 2014, 04:10:30 AM
I think I've tried 6 times to write a post because like Celtic I like the way you come across but each time I sounded too harsh. I'm writing this but likely ill delete it and start the next one with I've tried 7 times..

I think you're being very very very naive with the whole poker thing. There just simply isn't people playing 25 pound tournaments and breaking through to the big scene and the big titles. Yu have to work hard which I'm sure you do but you have to put the hours in, you're playing literally no hands/hour and your row and hurly is going to be so so so so so low that you will never be able to step up.

Everybody who has told you not to play GPS is wrong. The only chance you have of actually getting a bankroll together is by just taking ridiculous shots,and getting lucky followed by losing 5k+ and realizing you're not good t poker. That sounds so harsh and I'm sorry but I mean it in a nice way.

Playing live tournament is not a sustainable way if making a living. Playing live tournaments and having a minimal % of yourself even more so gives you less chance.

I know it's the boring answer and I know you've said you don't enjoy it but you simply need to grind online and put hours in, it's really hard to analyze things after a tournament with live poker but with online you can simply go through the whole hh and I'm sure if I looked through one tomorrow I'd find 5 things that I did wrong.

It seems you're in a situation where people like you and would be happy to stake you so I'm sure they would move this online and you will likely be a winner at small stakes tournaments.

Just think of the people around you..

Alex g - manly live guy, didn't like nline. Eventually grinds a a bit online
Rexas - live guy who is now transitioning more into online
Adam picken - Adam was a live cash grinder and began playing small stakes MTTs grinding and working v v v hard and is now playing upto high stakes MTTs

I can really name almost everybody who is a successful live has had to transition to online.

I really think you should stop wasting your time and money with what looks like a pipe dream here. Sure have the Dtd deepstack or an incredible 100, enjoy it, get prepared however you want, massages with happy ending, yoga wte floats your boat. Enjoy them but don't gret them as your ticket to make money, use them as a high risk yet high reward investment opportunity that you give yourself for,working so hard for online all week.


This is resuls from a 26+6!! Yes over 20% rake!

153 runners

Place   Player Name   Prize
1   Nigel Hardy   £1,062.08
2   Amjad Mohammed   £613.73
3   Adrian Burns   £367.50
4   Nathan Weldon   £257.25
5   Ashley Bracey   £202.13
6   Habib Chatoo   £165.38
7   Andrew Sledmore   £147.00
8   Wasil Dhingra   £117.60
9   Charles Grant   £99.22
10   Kyle Madden   £77.18
11   Paul Burrell   £73.50

Them your most recent cash

Entries
108
Total Prize Pool
£ 2,700
Total Prize Pool (USD)
$ 4,145
 
Joe Smith

Matt Barnes

Kevan Stanley
1st
       Joe Smith     £802     $1,231
2nd
       Matt Barnes     £475     $729
3rd
       Kevan Stanley     £311     $477
4th
       Pravin Tailor     £232     $356
5th
       Steven Champion     £176     $269
6th
       William Swinscoe     £146     $224
7th
       Amjad Mohammed     £119     $182
8th
       Peter Meredith     £95     $145
9th
       Paul Bradley     £73     $112
10th
       Brett Pinder     £57     $87
11th
       Peter Thorpe     £54     $83
12th
       Joshua Richards     £54     $83
13th
       Eleanor Hodgkin     £54     $83
14th
       Simon Hyde     £54     $83


So lets say here your roi with small field size and high rake is 30% let's make it 50%.

So every time you play this tournament you make 13£

You then keep 50%? So that means you make 6£/tournament so say average time spent 3 hours is 2£ per hour. Even if you had 100% of your self that would be 4£. Edit just retread thread and you usually keep between 10-25%?

I really would never post to a recreational guy who wants to just have fun and enjoy poker but you have your goals as winning triple crowns,0 and huge major titles but its going to be literally impossible to do it this way unless you literally decide to keep all of your action in a tour event and end up blinking.

Your goal for the year is to make 20,000 pounds but I don't see you writing your goals smart such as I'm going to make 20,000 pounds by doing xyz with this roi and this amount of volume.

Lets say you play 150 live tournaments this yer. A lot!
Lets say the avg bi in 75 pounds (maybe too high)
And lets say your roi is 20% (you don't sell at markup and 75 pounds indicates some big guy in events where you may not be plus ev so 20% sounds fair)

That's 15 pounds profit per tournament and you are playing 150 tournaments so that is 2250 profit for the year. Now you keep 25% of the winnings, lets even say 50% that's 1200 profit. And next week you're planning on playing a 440..

Now lets say you play 300 tournaments (6 a week!)
Average buy in 100 (seems impossible)
And your roi is 25% (gave you higher even though the buy ins increased and thus should be better players, but maybe bigger ppools)

So for every tournament you make 25 pounds profit
You're going to play 300 tournaments so that is just shy of £7000 but remember you keep 25% so even giving you 50% of this even though its a high abi and its still 3500

So for you to hit 20,000 pounds profit this year you would need to have the equivalent of 300 tournaments (6 a week including you studying) with an average buy in of 100 (very hard to find this for the quantity) and have an roi of 75% (seems awful high.) and then remember you only keep 25%

I really want you to succeed and you seem to have all the ingredients such as intelligence and desire but these are not SMART goals and I really think you should reconsider. Everybody hates being "that guy" in December where they look back at their goals and realize they were unrealistic. It's not too late.

Btw for transparency lets say you
played 20 games in a Mtt session online
Played 4 sessions a week
Had an abi of 25 by the end of the year
Had an roi of 30%


That would be 2 sessions less than live tournaments a week.
80 games a week
320 a month
3600 a year

Each tournament you play you make 8 dollars
Every night you make 160 dollars
Every week you make 640 dollars
Every month you make 2500ish dollars
At the end of the year you would make 30,000 dollars


20,000.00 GBP   =   33,174.82 USD
British Pound   ↔   US Dollar
1 GBP = 1.65874 USD   1 USD = 0.602867 GBP

At least this way it looks realistic. Again you'd probably keep 25-50% but this way you're investing in 29 tournaments in a night and expecting some form of return and first place in these tournaments can be anything like 5-15k.

Hope I don't look like a twat :(


Edit- golly another perfect example! Best example maybe.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 02, 2014, 08:14:56 AM
Reaaally agree with Pleno here, mainly because of the way hes wrote it down.

You know as well as anyone Peter that actually playing and putting hours in is the best way to improve your game and better yourself.

Online can be really quite monotonous for the most part and a tough mental challenge, but you know this was never going to be an easy task and would take hour upon hour each week to get to where you want. IMO taking the online route, being dedicated to put in a silly amount of hours shows much more passion (something you definitely aren't lacking) than hoping to find one big win in a single live poker punt.

I might even suggest trying to find a relatively cheap but really good online coach, someone who grinds a lot to try and see how they do the fundamentals perfectly. It might feel like a bit of a punt money wise to splash £100 on 5 hours or whatever, but if the guy has the right references and such I don't see how you could ever regret it. You are a clever guy who can take a lot on board.

So many different routes, all with their merits though. Tough decision for you...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on January 02, 2014, 08:53:10 AM
Make a video, put it up here and I, sure lots of people will look and give you advice for free.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 02:44:18 PM
I had read this last night, but thought that given how much you had put into this it needed some serious attention...I'm honestly at a loss for words on this, largely because of how blunt yet accurate it is. Was deffo a gamble as i can see some other people having took something like this rather negatively. That's not me, and ive read this a good few times just to get a grasp of the numbers. Im going to take each bit seperatley as this might actually clarify everything in one go

There just simply isn't people playing 25 pound tournaments and breaking through to the big scene and the big titles.

Very aware of this, hense the previous discussions about moving away from those comps and moving to the bigger ones, sustainability has always been a factor and im very aware it's just not doable at that level

Everybody who has told you not to play GPS is wrong. The only chance you have of actually getting a bankroll together is by just taking ridiculous shots,and getting lucky followed by losing 5k+ and realizing you're not good t poker. That sounds so harsh and I'm sorry but I mean it in a nice way.

This is the exact logic that i failed to explain properly...disagree with the last bit however as, ironically enough, a win would have seen me shove five figures online for a proper crack at it!

I know it's the boring answer and I know you've said you don't enjoy it but you simply need to grind online and put hours in
Yes i hate this answer, i wont lie had you said this two years ago i'd likely be doing something else...but i love this game too much to back away, and after talking to a bunch of people (and thinking hard last night) it does indeed seem everyone is moving online...if it has to be done then i will do it.

It seems you're in a situation where people like you and would be happy to stake you so I'm sure they would move this online and you will likely be a winner at small stakes tournaments.

We have tried it before, the idea appealed to them alot more. But i want to make very clear right now that nobody will ever be able to make me ditch live for a soley online game...i know longjevity comes from online but everything else comes from live, so it will always be a part even if only a smaller one. your next paragraph agrees with this so at least it can be seen that live is sticking around.

I really would never post to a recreational guy who wants to just have fun and enjoy poker but you have your goals as winning triple crowns,0 and huge major titles but its going to be literally impossible to do it this way unless you literally decide to keep all of your action in a tour event and end up blinking.

The recreational days are over. I want this as a future profession. It's as simple as that. And i hate it but i agree with what youve put...i wont give up these live events as i say, but they wont be what gets us to the top....sigh

Your goal for the year is to make 20,000 pounds but I don't see you writing your goals smart such as I'm going to make 20,000 pounds by doing xyz with this roi and this amount of volume.

This goal is based upon my previous year, and i did have the xyz/roi that you are talking about but never wrote it down, i wanted that post to be concise, but with regards to the figures youve put down are fairly scary...300 tournaments in the year is not what i want...not by a long shot.

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For the record you don't look like a twat, i work well from statistics, but i would never be able to work that kind of stuff out, having it in front of me like that helped to no end...and i thank you for it. It does bloody suck given the changes that need to be made, but i think i can hack three/four sessions a week given my current timetable....ugh, i fucking hate this, but i agree with all of it...and im not at the stage to hate it and throw it away...i want this too much.

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Reaaally agree with Pleno here, mainly because of the way hes wrote it down.

You know as well as anyone Peter that actually playing and putting hours in is the best way to improve your game and better yourself.

Online can be really quite monotonous for the most part and a tough mental challenge, but you know this was never going to be an easy task and would take hour upon hour each week to get to where you want. IMO taking the online route, being dedicated to put in a silly amount of hours shows much more passion (something you definitely aren't lacking) than hoping to find one big win in a single live poker punt.

I might even suggest trying to find a relatively cheap but really good online coach, someone who grinds a lot to try and see how they do the fundamentals perfectly. It might feel like a bit of a punt money wise to splash £100 on 5 hours or whatever, but if the guy has the right references and such I don't see how you could ever regret it. You are a clever guy who can take a lot on board.

So many different routes, all with their merits though. Tough decision for you...

You and me have spoken at length regarding this, it was you who actually gave me my first syndicate idea...no it's not going to be an easy task but that said when we did the first run through it didn't bother me all that much...i don't think i can pull off only having 30% because the last one barely sold, it took one guy going insane to pull it off...ive got the dedication to play stupid hours but that one big live punt is still on my radar, lord knows it's half of my life goals!

Cheap yet really good coach...those two don't mix, poker players are smart enough to just price high when they know they are good...you say i can take alot on board i just hope it's enough really.

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Basically the decision ive made is to give online a large portion of my time, basically any event i was going to play that wasnt part of a tour/festival will now have its money syphoned to online...i will still be playing all the big comps i had my heart set on, i won't let those go. But they are bonuses to an online schedule basically

I hate you all, but love you all the same <3


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 02, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
Defs like the idea of recording a small online session, people are here to help (myself included) and I'm sure that's why you have a blog here, for solid advice.

Think the problem is to succeed considerably live, you need to be playing a considerable amount online because of the volume required to iron down variance, and will definitely improve your game (although entirely different to live play, there will be mathematically sound plays you can make live due to realization through a certain amount of volume).


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 02, 2014, 04:54:56 PM
Defs like the idea of recording a small online session, people are here to help (myself included) and I'm sure that's why you have a blog here, for solid advice.

Think the problem is to succeed considerably live, you need to be playing a considerable amount online because of the volume required to iron down variance, and will definitely improve your game (although entirely different to live play, there will be mathematically sound plays you can make live due to realization through a certain amount of volume).

could get enough money together for a single night, then just record over the top of it...seems fair


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on January 02, 2014, 07:22:28 PM

Bear in mind a white 20 something tourament player that shipped one event has almost no chance of getting a sponsorship deal. I mean look at Alex, Deadman or Rastafish. These guys have gotten a ton of exposure and no deals are coming their way (afaik).

What do you do when you study for the 2 hours? That sounds like a lot but maybe it isn't if your just watching videos or listening to podcasts.

Nah totally understand that, I make no bones about the fact they'd deserve it more than me. However, and this may be cause for being flamed but personal opinion here...One thing that sites/companies look for is someone who is engaging, media friendly and someone who can warm to the cameras...now im not saying the aforementioned names do not have those qualities, some of them do in abundance...but there is a big difference between being sponsorship materials, and TRYING to be sponsorship material.

My argument would be that in poker as with anything else. You've got to be a lot better to be gifted professional contracts, but if you jump up and down trying to get noticed, sure you polarize people, but you become more noticeable, and it only takes one to have that punt.

If anyone getting sponsorship for warm, friendly , good player , loud , good looking , best Chinese player in the world and etc , I deserved the sponsorship ! Lol


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 03, 2014, 04:40:47 AM

Bear in mind a white 20 something tourament player that shipped one event has almost no chance of getting a sponsorship deal. I mean look at Alex, Deadman or Rastafish. These guys have gotten a ton of exposure and no deals are coming their way (afaik).

What do you do when you study for the 2 hours? That sounds like a lot but maybe it isn't if your just watching videos or listening to podcasts.

Nah totally understand that, I make no bones about the fact they'd deserve it more than me. However, and this may be cause for being flamed but personal opinion here...One thing that sites/companies look for is someone who is engaging, media friendly and someone who can warm to the cameras...now im not saying the aforementioned names do not have those qualities, some of them do in abundance...but there is a big difference between being sponsorship materials, and TRYING to be sponsorship material.

My argument would be that in poker as with anything else. You've got to be a lot better to be gifted professional contracts, but if you jump up and down trying to get noticed, sure you polarize people, but you become more noticeable, and it only takes one to have that punt.

If anyone getting sponsorship for warm, friendly , good player , loud , good looking , best Chinese player in the world and etc , I deserved the sponsorship ! Lol

I was doing brilliant until the spec sheet said Chinese, damnit! Guess it's all yours then ;-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: corkeye on January 03, 2014, 08:26:20 AM
Your comment about coaching, how much research has gone into this? If you get a decent about one reference I can assure you that very quickly they will begin to plug leaks for you. They don't cost the earth, especially if you buy a block of sessions.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 03, 2014, 12:41:56 PM
Your comment about coaching, how much research has gone into this? If you get a decent about one reference I can assure you that very quickly they will begin to plug leaks for you. They don't cost the earth, especially if you buy a block of sessions.

Agree. By god I don't mean a guy who crushes Hi level MTT's, Just a mid stakes/low stake grinder who is a constant winner.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 03, 2014, 06:27:01 PM
Your comment about coaching, how much research has gone into this? If you get a decent about one reference I can assure you that very quickly they will begin to plug leaks for you. They don't cost the earth, especially if you buy a block of sessions.

Agree. By god I don't mean a guy who crushes Hi level MTT's, Just a mid stakes/low stake grinder who is a constant winner.

i have a feeling Gilly is trying to suggest something here...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 03, 2014, 07:00:59 PM
Your comment about coaching, how much research has gone into this? If you get a decent about one reference I can assure you that very quickly they will begin to plug leaks for you. They don't cost the earth, especially if you buy a block of sessions.

Agree. By god I don't mean a guy who crushes Hi level MTT's, Just a mid stakes/low stake grinder who is a constant winner.

i have a feeling Gilly is trying to suggest something here...

Wouldn't put myself in the constant winner category just yet


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 03, 2014, 07:28:47 PM
Your comment about coaching, how much research has gone into this? If you get a decent about one reference I can assure you that very quickly they will begin to plug leaks for you. They don't cost the earth, especially if you buy a block of sessions.

Agree. By god I don't mean a guy who crushes Hi level MTT's, Just a mid stakes/low stake grinder who is a constant winner.

i have a feeling Gilly is trying to suggest something here...

Wouldn't put myself in the constant winner category just yet

Call


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 04, 2014, 05:42:04 PM
Your comment about coaching, how much research has gone into this? If you get a decent about one reference I can assure you that very quickly they will begin to plug leaks for you. They don't cost the earth, especially if you buy a block of sessions.

Agree. By god I don't mean a guy who crushes Hi level MTT's, Just a mid stakes/low stake grinder who is a constant winner.

i have a feeling Gilly is trying to suggest something here...

Wouldn't put myself in the constant winner category just yet

Call


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 04, 2014, 06:04:19 PM
I don't even play mid stakes ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 04, 2014, 06:27:13 PM
I don't even play mid stakes ;)
Still wouldn't mind being a penny behind you ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 04, 2014, 07:52:49 PM
ice shade, would you dress up extravgantly for online final tables? or online day 2s?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 04, 2014, 08:20:34 PM
ice shade, would you dress up extravgantly for online final tables? or online day 2s?

I know some people do this on Football Manager for cup finals


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 05, 2014, 01:16:05 AM
ice shade, would you dress up extravgantly for online final tables? or online day 2s?

I know some people do this on Football Manager for cup finals

Suit up for the FA cup final? Mate ive seen his housemates do it with him!

And no, if anything i'd likely just be in my boxers...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 05, 2014, 08:17:18 PM
Plans For January

Seeing as this is the quietest month of the year with regards to everything, I think it best to start slow, trying to push to do things in a month that is typically the worst for backers/friends/family/me sounds a little retarded. Hopefully i'll do this each month and go from there, the plans laid out will get more detailed in the coming months once i have a gauge for how much im actually capable of.

Live Events For 01/14
£440 Genting Poker Series Nottingham - 10/01
£80 XXL Giant 17/01
£80 XXL Giant 24/01
£80 XXL Giant 31/01

Online Events For 01/14
Play 50 Tournaments

University 01/14
Finish Leadership & Employability Coursework
Start Forex Trading Dissertation

League Of Legends 01/14
Learn One More ADC And One More Jungle Champion
50 LP In Bronze 1

Other Tasks 01/14
Apply For The University Gym - Find What Level We Are At


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: ruud on January 05, 2014, 08:39:40 PM
What kind of percentages will u have in these live events?!

Do you have a long term deal or sell one event at a time?!

If long term, how did this come about - always intrigued by this, but understand if you cannot give answers.

Good Luck!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 05, 2014, 11:14:39 PM
What kind of percentages will u have in these live events?!

Do you have a long term deal or sell one event at a time?!

If long term, how did this come about - always intrigued by this, but understand if you cannot give answers.

Good Luck!

For these specific ones, unlike most normal ones, i will have between 80-100% of myself. My student loan is soon so i will utilize that as much as i can.
However knowing what you was referring to, my usual events are between 15-25% of myself, if im above 40% its a shock

I sell one event at a time for the most part, with the occasional festival package thrown in where possible. I would give just about anything for a long term deal but alas i haven't had the luck to be in the right place at the right time. Give it chance though ;)

The few long terms i used to have have usually been as a result of a large win and they've gone to back me for a while following that, or close friends who have gone under the logic "i wouldn't forgive myself if i gave up and that was the one you binked on"

Again, if i got a long term one it would be a dream come true, but we shall see :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on January 05, 2014, 11:18:33 PM
My student loan is soon so i will utilize that as much as i can.

Quite a brave thing to post on the internet!

Having said that, I do know someone who got their £1100 instalment in their bank account in September and, as soon as it cleared, went straight to London to buy into a WSOPE Event. He didn't win.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on January 05, 2014, 11:28:04 PM
where do you live? with parents or in accomodation? dont you need your loan for food and everyday stuff?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 06, 2014, 01:49:34 AM
where do you live? with parents or in accomodation? dont you need your loan for food and everyday stuff?

Probably. But that's no fun innit.

Spinnnnnnnn


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 06, 2014, 11:12:11 AM
Spin spin spinnnn!

Nah in complete fairness that loan will go to Uni materials and travel for the duration. But the loan is designed to make things more comfortable for you while you are there also. And this makes me more comfortable than anything else. It's not like I'm planning to nuke the entire lot on buyins, even if I wish I could/would/should xD


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 06, 2014, 11:13:22 AM
where do you live? with parents or in accomodation? dont you need your loan for food and everyday stuff?

Parents until I've got a stable job, then moving in with the girlfriend. It does pay for everyday stuff, I just live like a true student...on scratch. Which means alot of it is spare money.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 06, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
Spin spin spinnnn!

Nah in complete fairness that loan will go to Uni materials and travel for the duration. But the loan is designed to make things more comfortable for you while you are there also. And this makes me more comfortable than anything else. It's not like I'm planning to nuke the entire lot on buyins, even if I wish I could/would/should xD

isn't it? ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 06, 2014, 09:45:55 PM
Spin spin spinnnn!

Nah in complete fairness that loan will go to Uni materials and travel for the duration. But the loan is designed to make things more comfortable for you while you are there also. And this makes me more comfortable than anything else. It's not like I'm planning to nuke the entire lot on buyins, even if I wish I could/would/should xD

isn't it? ;)

Damn you gilly. Damn you ye of little faith! ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 08, 2014, 10:10:05 PM
Common Sense....A Failing Quality

That pretty much defines my life...I preach common sense and detest stupidity in all of its forms. Yet practicing what I preach has become increasingly difficult over the years...Emotions take over, desire overrides normality...everything goes out of the window the second I care for, or have a passion for, anything in my life...This year and this moment are no exception.

I've spent weeks pushing to play the GPS this weekend...contacted countless backers both new and old, posted online more times than I care to mention and worked my budget pretty much as well as I can...To no avail. With two days to go until my preferred day one I'm sitting here with 14% locked up, all the loyal backers dead due to Christmas (nothing against it, totally understand) and no more coming out of the woodwork in a last ditch Lazarus attempt to save me from my own insanity or have the faith in me to carry out a task ive been all giddy for for months...

So what now?

Do I just give up on the idea of playing my first tour event of the year? Letting only the second backing venture of my life fail and easily the highest profile of them...To you guys that might not sound that bad but my backers are not poker players, they do not see things through our eyes...they don't see that events can occasionally not fire for events in or out of our control...all they see (and I have been told this from their own mouths) is a failed attempt and that is apparently a sign people have given up on me. Momentum is everything with these guys and while sure I push for things quite hard, as ive been told before if I didn't have the drive I do most wouldn't bother....I can't let that momentum slip. Especially when I could easily rectify the problem myself.

Do I throw myself into the arms of unknown people? And basically sell myself to people/potential backers who have never even met me? Past form is everything and I don't have a five figure sum knocking me over from as recently as a month ago...come to think of it I don't have a five figure result full stop. Plus can you imagine the response to the rough translation of "You don't know me but I think I'm good, can haz monies plz".....Yeah....No.

Or do I throw my entire weight behind this...Put the rest up myself, throw caution to the wind and take my one chance right at the start of the year...Sure my luck is going pretty damn well as of late, and sure (for me at least) I'm in the form of my life...but the past doesn't buy you an extra 2%...confidence alone does not make you win things...this game is a cruel mistress and she takes no prisoners, one mistake and you get spat into the bar with the rest of the failed hopers and dreamers....If it worked then I would have a godly amount of money at my disposal...Win? My life pretty much gets flipped upside down on the spot. Nothing would be the same next week as it is now...Lose? Well...£400 of a student's money when he has no source of income?....Sure I have the benefit of being able to not play scared...but I don't have the ability to not be crying by the end of it...

Pros, Cons, Advantages, Disadvantages, Good Side, Bad Side, Dreams, Reality.....



Fuck It. I'm going for it...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 08, 2014, 10:52:57 PM
2.5% please need a sweat!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 08, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
2.5% please need a sweat!

Haha i'm fairly sure i'm gonna get a size 12 boot up my arse if i turn this into a staking thread! This was more so that i could express the worry not to try and inadvertently ask for backers :P
That said, if you've got facebook i can sort it with you there :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 09, 2014, 03:05:08 AM
Read this post on the drive home with interest, well i mean rexas was driving, and this seemed a nice switch off from the run bad stories  :D
I wish you the best of luck, and it seems that I will see/ play with you there tomorrow or friday.
One thing i will pull you up on, and to be honest I think youve been rather naive/ stupid about is not playing the sats for this comp. Last night, £15 sat into a £55 sat wihich had 18 seats with 160 runners. Tonight at the club they got 80 runners for a sat with 20x 440 seats guaranteed. Surely you must admit that these were worth a shot, 75 quid tonight you had a 1 in 4 shot at a seat, think you got that one wrong.
Apologize for coming on a saying that, but with money seemingly tight as you say, to pass up these opportunities seems silly. Tough love maybe, and im sure im only backing up what Pleno and rqcbfffwqqqff have said earlier in this diary, and what others might be thinking.
Best of luck :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 09, 2014, 03:15:22 AM
For some quite bizarre and weird reason i cant edit my last post. My use of the word stupid was maybe wrong, and i didnt mean it to come across like that. Think you get what i was trying to say :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 09, 2014, 05:42:50 PM
Nah it's a fair one. My argument for this way is I know I'm playing anyway and knowing that, with money being tight I'd get severely irritated blowing upwards of £50+ on sats, fail to qualify, then dump £400 into the event anyway


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 09, 2014, 11:46:57 PM
Right, for sure confirmed to be playing this, one last sweep of my backers both old and new has produced some goods...now playing for a much more manageable 63%, so this is still a massive chunk of change but doesn't break my back if it goes wrong...just the kid with the dream that wants nothing more than it to come true! Bed for me...10 hours of probably the biggest day one ive ever played awaits :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 09, 2014, 11:58:34 PM
Good luck tomorrow.

Hope tighty gives you plenty of ribbing on the update.

Would be incred if you won it.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 10, 2014, 12:52:43 AM
Good luck tomorrow.

Hope tighty gives you plenty of ribbing on the update.

Would be incred if you won it.

Cheers mate :)

I'd expect no less frankly ;)

Be a story that's for sure :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 11, 2014, 04:27:28 AM
If there was ever a time to pat myself on the back it's probably be this one. But you guys were right, the sting of this...least for the moment, is alot to bear. Out with only six hands to go before the end of day one, bitter to say the least.

I want to personally thank all of those of you who took the time out to check on my progress, it was heartwarming to say the least and spurred me on throughout the day. Easily the longest grind of my life, 8-9 hours of never/barely being above 30 bigs, the few times I was I'd get slapped straight back down again. We got lucky in a few occasions I will admit (squeeze play with 68hh that got called and binked...set over set, a fair few Ax vs lower Ax'es) but when it mattered the most the luck simply was not there. Winning 5/10k pots is one thing...but losing every day two stack chance is a hammer blow not many can come back from.

I might go over the key hands sometime down the line but my head is fuzzy at the moment. I have to come to terms with the fact three relatively close friends have backed out completely now, and that this...while considerably cheaper than before, was still alot of money to lose. I'm proud of the fact not once did the buyin enter my mind during the day. Gives me a boost knowing that I am comfortable in-game no matter the stakes (well, so far)

Time to pick up the pieces I guess...gave it literally everything, can't say farer than that really.

For those wondering about the grind, my stack went like this across the 9 levels, these are at levels end only:-
33,700 - 8,525 - 15,350 - 22,625 - 43,375 - 21,300 - 24,300 - 40,500 - 34,100


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 15, 2014, 09:58:33 PM
If there was ever a time to pat myself on the back it's probably be this one. But you guys were right, the sting of this...least for the moment, is alot to bear. Out with only six hands to go before the end of day one, bitter to say the least.

I want to personally thank all of those of you who took the time out to check on my progress, it was heartwarming to say the least and spurred me on throughout the day. Easily the longest grind of my life, 8-9 hours of never/barely being above 30 bigs, the few times I was I'd get slapped straight back down again. We got lucky in a few occasions I will admit (squeeze play with 68hh that got called and binked...set over set, a fair few Ax vs lower Ax'es) but when it mattered the most the luck simply was not there. Winning 5/10k pots is one thing...but losing every day two stack chance is a hammer blow not many can come back from.

I might go over the key hands sometime down the line but my head is fuzzy at the moment. I have to come to terms with the fact three relatively close friends have backed out completely now, and that this...while considerably cheaper than before, was still alot of money to lose. I'm proud of the fact not once did the buyin enter my mind during the day. Gives me a boost knowing that I am comfortable in-game no matter the stakes (well, so far)

Time to pick up the pieces I guess...gave it literally everything, can't say farer than that really.

For those wondering about the grind, my stack went like this across the 9 levels, these are at levels end only:-
33,700 - 8,525 - 15,350 - 22,625 - 43,375 - 21,300 - 24,300 - 40,500 - 34,100

we down the line yet? :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 10:02:11 AM
Got a couple that I've remembered. Details are as accurate as possible but simplified where needed. Everything had reasons, even if I can't remember them on here. There was no move I made by simply "clicking buttons"

Blinds: 150/300/25
Starting Stack: 38,000
UTG+2 with  9d Td, raise to 650
CO calls, BTN 3bet to 1700
Call call, three way flop  Jc 8h 8s
Check check, BTN bets 2100
Call, fold, heads up turn  Qs
Check, BTN bets 2100, call
River   Ahrt
Check, BTN bets 4500, I raise to 9200, BTN ships 28,000, I fold

Logic behind this was that his reaction down every street was one of increasing worry, pre he had a tendency to raise really small with monsters (crying call material) so his three bet signalled a strong hand, I went with good implied odds as I didn't believe him capable of folding overpairs, float the flop seems fine to me as I have immediate outs, when they complete and he fires a second time all I put him on are AQ+/10's+, so I'm content to bomb the river expecting to get paid provided I think I'm still ahead. Worst river in the world and more-so when he snap double checked his cards, he looked excited. My raise is purely to find out where I am. I could probably make it more but I'm worried of over committing on a paired board. His ship was almost instant, at which point what am I really beating? I don't think he 3's pre with KQ, that's not his style. So all I can reasonably have him on is AQ/AA/QQ/JJ. He could have KK, I'm not too sure on that one. But I just think calling off is terrible, not sure though.

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Blinds: 250/500/50
Starting Stack: 22,500
Four limpers (UTG, CO, BTN, SB) I'm BB with  Ahrt  Kd, raise to 2400
UTG flats, CO folds, BTN shoves for 91,000, SB folds, I fold

Probably fairly standard but I want clarification. One important thing to note is that the button has been fairly reckless all tournament, but never like this, his standard play would have probably been a 7k 3bet, I just thought that it could be an insane play with the top of his range trying to look spewy or that it was the standard over shove. Either way I considered myself good enough not to risk everything in this spot.

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Blinds: 600/1200/200
Starting Stack: 32,100
Folds to HJ who raises to 2,600, folds to my BTN and call with  4s 5h
Flop  3h 4d 7c
He bets 3,400, I shove 29,300, he calls with  Ad 5d
Turn  2d River  Td

This is the one I'm interested in. After having thought it through I do know my read on him was the standard ABC with slight tricks, when he's raising 30 minutes before the end of the day I'm putting him on a standard range (AJ+, KQ, 8's+). When he makes the bet on the flop I know most likely I am ahead, I don't put him on A7 and A4 is highly unlikely. Another thing to note is that his bet takes all pocket pairs out of his range above 7's, he was an obvious trickster post-flop because every time he had the board beat he would also let the other guy hang himself, check calling every street. My idea here was to look like a spewy shove with the knowledge if he does have me beat I likely have the straight/two pair redraws, I had a feeling that he would likely call off with AK/AQ type hands which I'm still ahead of, I'm looking for the fade to double to around 65/70k then I'm a lock for day 2. If I didn't think I was ahead I don't make this move. At all. And I'm only making it with the idea he calls off with high aces...again, I rule out all pocket pairs because of the flop bet, it just wasn't his style, even with the betting lead.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on January 16, 2014, 10:22:55 AM
first 2 hands look fine.

third hand is just terrible.  you have 5 high and 25bb.  you are gonna find such better spots in the next couple of orbits than to peel and try and 'outplay' with position and 45o.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 10:25:24 AM
first 2 hands look fine.

third hand is just terrible.  you have 5 high and 25bb.  you are gonna find such better spots in the next couple of orbits than to peel and try and 'outplay' with position and 45o.

Yeah I've been thinking that and have been told it as well...don't really have an excuse for playing it, just me after 10 hours trying to be isildur out of nowhere


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on January 16, 2014, 10:29:15 AM
would also be interesting that if this wasn't a 'shot' and you had a decent BR behind you for these kind of comps, if you do call the shove with AK.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on January 16, 2014, 10:54:08 AM
Have to agree with Scotty on the third hand. For quite a while, when I would speak to people about hands, most of my "I'm interested in how you play the river here" hands got the response of "why are you in the hand at all?"

After enough of those, I finally made the decision not to tell those friends about those hands anymore.

Granted, not playing pots with eight high to try to get a guy off second pair would be a much better strategy than doing it and not telling anyone. But nobody's perfect



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 11:16:53 AM
would also be interesting that if this wasn't a 'shot' and you had a decent BR behind you for these kind of comps, if you do call the shove with AK.

Interesting one yeah...obviously I can't accurately comment because I'm obviously not in such a position. I'm not really sure on this one.

Have to agree with Scotty on the third hand. For quite a while, when I would speak to people about hands, most of my "I'm interested in how you play the river here" hands got the response of "why are you in the hand at all?"

After enough of those, I finally made the decision not to tell those friends about those hands anymore.

Granted, not playing pots with eight high to try to get a guy off second pair would be a much better strategy than doing it and not telling anyone. But nobody's perfect


Nah I put it up to get the consensus I thought I would, and rightly so as you guys say there are better days to be doing it. That said I'm happy I have such moves in my locker, they just need to be better placed


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 16, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
I'm not folding ak there.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: david3103 on January 16, 2014, 06:44:29 PM
What would you do with AK in a £25 XL in that spot?



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 16, 2014, 06:52:48 PM
What would you do with AK in a £25 XL in that spot?



Had this argument/ discussion at DTD last night. Not about AK, but about playing the comps differenty, as its only a ''£30 quid crapshoot''.
Peoples thoughts? Obviously AK is a little different, no as its the price of the tourny, but due to number of chips and average BBs. Should the buy in for the tournament matter if it involves making the correct poker decision?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 16, 2014, 06:58:38 PM
No. Right poker decisions>>>>> thinking about the buy in.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 16, 2014, 06:58:54 PM
What would you do with AK in a £25 XL in that spot?



Had this argument/ discussion at DTD last night. Not about AK, but about playing the comps differenty, as its only a ''£30 quid crapshoot''.
Peoples thoughts? Obviously AK is a little different, no as its the price of the tourny, but due to number of chips and average BBs. Should the buy in for the tournament matter if it involves making the correct poker decision?

Think the answer is it shouldn't, but it quite often does


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 16, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
For example, UTG ships 8bbs, UTG+1 rehoves about double that, folds to me with AJ on the button, i sigh, say how much of a nit i am and fold. There im happy witht he decision, as nearly always im behind/ dominated by at least one. One of the guys questioned me and saud how can you fold ace jack, its a £25 comp, got to stick it in and gamble, this was level 3 i think, and i still had 80bbs. Still think its a fold regardless, at that stage, whether its an XXL ot the WSOP ME. Correct thinking or are other flicking it in there in similar scenarios, with similar holdings?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on January 16, 2014, 07:08:19 PM
All about the clock.

That's why AK is fine to fold in this situation.  Same amount of BBs in an XXL probably never gonna be fine to fold unless you have a super solid read on the villain.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 16, 2014, 07:09:23 PM
All about the clock.

That's why AK is fine to fold in this situation.  Same amount of BBs in an XXL probably never gonna be fine to fold unless you have a super solid read on the villain.

Totally, AK is slightly different. But was just an interesting question regarding those situations in general.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 16, 2014, 07:13:47 PM
For example, UTG ships 8bbs, UTG+1 rehoves about double that, folds to me with AJ on the button, i sigh, say how much of a nit i am and fold. There im happy witht he decision, as nearly always im behind/ dominated by at least one. One of the guys questioned me and saud how can you fold ace jack, its a £25 comp, got to stick it in and gamble, this was level 3 i think, and i still had 80bbs. Still think its a fold regardless, at that stage, whether its an XXL ot the WSOP ME. Correct thinking or are other flicking it in there in similar scenarios, with similar holdings?

Almost always a Mistake to get 80 bigs in there with aj, regardless of buy in, surely?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 16, 2014, 07:17:04 PM
I might be wrong, maybe more like 50bbs, the AJ was just an example, the discussion was that can you really fold that hand, when the av stack might be 20bbs in an hour. JUst an example


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on January 16, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
Still seems wrong.

So many experts playing poker these days..


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 16, 2014, 07:50:46 PM
What very few people know about Verndog is that his strategy is to rofl it in all over the place, get lucky, win, and then slowly edit the story from things like "Got in a three way all in for 80bbs with AJ against utg and utg+1" to something like "Raise called with AA off 18bbs btn vs BB."


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
What very few people know about Verndog is that his strategy is to rofl it in all over the place, get lucky, win, and then slowly edit the story from things like "Got in a three way all in for 80bbs with AJ against utg and utg+1" to something like "Raise called with AA off 18bbs btn vs BB."

£7k says it works ;)

Also with regards to your guys discussion about buyin differentials i agree with gilly, it shouldn't affect people, but likely does.
Me personally id love to sit here and preach about how i'd play the same regardless, and while i would some of the time that some is not all, as it rightly should be


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: DrDreh on January 16, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
What very few people know about Verndog is that his strategy is to rofl it in all over the place, get lucky, win, and then slowly edit the story from things like "Got in a three way all in for 80bbs with AJ against utg and utg+1" to something like "Raise called with AA off 18bbs btn vs BB."

I think Verndog is awesome.  As it stands 2014 is Verndog 7000 - 0 Rexas.  Iceshade is gonna win the lot this year too.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 08:04:15 PM
What very few people know about Verndog is that his strategy is to rofl it in all over the place, get lucky, win, and then slowly edit the story from things like "Got in a three way all in for 80bbs with AJ against utg and utg+1" to something like "Raise called with AA off 18bbs btn vs BB."

I think Verndog is awesome.  As it stands 2014 is Verndog 7000 - 0 Rexas.  Iceshade is gonna win the lot this year too.

<3


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Doobs on January 16, 2014, 08:05:17 PM
Still seems wrong.

So many experts playing poker these days..

Getting AJ in with 50 BBs and no history is probably more wrong in a £25 comp than at a $10/20 table with loads of history.   Even then they are still raising from UTG and UTG+1.  Blocker though.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 16, 2014, 08:08:11 PM
What very few people know about Verndog is that his strategy is to rofl it in all over the place, get lucky, win, and then slowly edit the story from things like "Got in a three way all in for 80bbs with AJ against utg and utg+1" to something like "Raise called with AA off 18bbs btn vs BB."

I think Verndog is awesome.  As it stands 2014 is Verndog 7000 - 0 Rexas.  Iceshade is gonna win the lot this year too.

Agreed on all accounts.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on January 16, 2014, 08:18:39 PM
I might be wrong, maybe more like 50bbs, the AJ was just an example, the discussion was that can you really fold that hand, when the av stack might be 20bbs in an hour. JUst an example

U 4bets alin with AQcc for around 35bigs .


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
What very few people know about Verndog is that his strategy is to rofl it in all over the place, get lucky, win, and then slowly edit the story from things like "Got in a three way all in for 80bbs with AJ against utg and utg+1" to something like "Raise called with AA off 18bbs btn vs BB."

I think Verndog is awesome.  As it stands 2014 is Verndog 7000 - 0 Rexas.  Iceshade is gonna win the lot this year too.

Agreed on all accounts.

<3 <3


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: WotRTheChances on January 16, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
First hand seems ok.

2nd hand i'm never folding, we're basically never crushed, decent % of the time we're 70%, also sometimes flipping obv. Probably isnt terrible folding here, but calling has to be standard. Its a live DTD comp, people just lose their minds.

Final hand is a clear fold pre. Flop cant be that bad i guess... but you shouldn't ever be seeing one.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 09:24:32 PM
First hand seems ok.

2nd hand i'm never folding, we're basically never crushed, decent % of the time we're 70%, also sometimes flipping obv. Probably isnt terrible folding here, but calling has to be standard. Its a live DTD comp, people just lose their minds.

Final hand is a clear fold pre. Flop cant be that bad i guess... but you shouldn't ever be seeing one.

Any argument for the fact that the "live DTD comp" happened to be a GPS? or would you say it's standardized?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on January 16, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
First hand seems ok.

2nd hand i'm never folding, we're basically never crushed, decent % of the time we're 70%, also sometimes flipping obv. Probably isnt terrible folding here, but calling has to be standard. Its a live DTD comp, people just lose their minds.

Final hand is a clear fold pre. Flop cant be that bad i guess... but you shouldn't ever be seeing one.

Any argument for the fact that the "live DTD comp" happened to be a GPS? or would you say it's standardized?

No. People have no way of thinking logically unless they have a mouse in their hand. And everyone - EVERYONE - on the internet is brilliant at poker, only making rational and +EV decisions, only losing money to small sample size variance.

Truth is somewhere in the middle, as ever: the fact it's a live comp might mean some less experienced people are playing, but DTD standard is generally far better than an average casino. Include every bit of information you can gather about your opponent in your decision-making process, but don't generalise any more than you have to. That way reentry queue ranting lies...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: WotRTheChances on January 16, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
First hand seems ok.

2nd hand i'm never folding, we're basically never crushed, decent % of the time we're 70%, also sometimes flipping obv. Probably isnt terrible folding here, but calling has to be standard. Its a live DTD comp, people just lose their minds.

Final hand is a clear fold pre. Flop cant be that bad i guess... but you shouldn't ever be seeing one.

Any argument for the fact that the "live DTD comp" happened to be a GPS? or would you say it's standardized?

Similar playerpool to that of the deepstacks etc. The argument for folding is basically the same as that for folding (the general playerpool in these comps is fairly 'soft'). You'd only fold here because you don't feel like you're miles ahead of the guys range (you have to be reasonably ahead) and you feel like you're better off taking lower variance routes to accumulating chips. The reason for calling is that people (who frequent deepstacks and the like) do just show up with absurd hands in these spots and plenty of stuff we dominate.

Don't forget though that if you consider yourself to have a reasonable edge in these fields, the more +EV spots you pass up on, the less of an edge you will have in a comp. That's not to say take every tiny little +cEV spot, but I feel like this spot is too +cEV to fold.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 09:35:26 PM
Fair points guys, deffo taking them on board, thanks :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 16, 2014, 09:47:09 PM
1st hand I prefer check calling riv. Not many worse hands call in this spot, think there are more hands that have us beat than those we are able to value bet and get a call out of them with.

2nd hand I'm pretty sure I don't fold.

3rd hand, agree with the rest of the consensus don't think it's the time or place to flat pre, or get it in on the flop. There are more hands to flat with pre if he's not great post flop, but you've said you think he's opening a pretty tight range. Was it HU on the flop yeah?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 16, 2014, 09:52:36 PM
1st hand I prefer check calling riv. Not many worse hands call in this spot, think there are more hands that have us beat than those we are able to value bet and get a call out of them with.

2nd hand I'm pretty sure I don't fold.

3rd hand, agree with the rest of the consensus don't think it's the time or place to flat pre, or get it in on the flop. There are more hands to flat with pre if he's not great post flop, but you've said you think he's opening a pretty tight range. Was it HU on the flop yeah?

Yeah HU on the flop, I never make this move with anyone else or against anyone else either.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: WotRTheChances on January 16, 2014, 10:13:28 PM
1st hand I prefer check calling riv. Not many worse hands call in this spot, think there are more hands that have us beat than those we are able to value bet and get a call out of them with.


Think this really depends on who the opponent is. Vs anyone good c/calling will always be better than c/raising, as he shouldn't really call off with anything worse. e.g vs Mr.Gill i'd fist-pump raise :)  ;whistle;


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on January 16, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
1st hand I prefer check calling riv. Not many worse hands call in this spot, think there are more hands that have us beat than those we are able to value bet and get a call out of them with.


Think this really depends on who the opponent is. Vs anyone good c/calling will always be better than c/raising, as he shouldn't really call off with anything worse. e.g vs Mr.Gill i'd fist-pump raise :)  ;whistle;

You'd probably be right to. Cant fold Ax vs Tom High on an A high board can we!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 17, 2014, 12:56:02 AM
Like to chat us through the ace high call at DTD last night Mr High? ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on January 17, 2014, 02:41:14 AM
what the button limps after 3 other people limp and were a tight guy in the blinds and we fold when he goes all in. it doesnt matter thathe has 90k we have 25k, it seems the most trivial call ever?$?$?$?$


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 19, 2014, 02:44:33 AM
what the button limps after 3 other people limp and were a tight guy in the blinds and we fold when he goes all in. it doesnt matter thathe has 90k we have 25k, it seems the most trivial call ever?$?$?$?$

I stand by the logic at the time, but if it's something glaring that i need to change then i will...past can be crap if the future is adapted to improve


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on January 19, 2014, 05:35:13 AM
I think it's a terrible fold but maybe I'm the worst.

Just for cliffs

You call him reckless
It went limp limp limp he limped
You raised somebody called
He is a huge dominating stack and goes all in
We have ak




......


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 19, 2014, 05:34:07 PM
I think it's a terrible fold but maybe I'm the worst.

Just for cliffs

You call him reckless
It went limp limp limp he limped
You raised somebody called
He is a huge dominating stack and goes all in
We have ak




......

I still think there are better spots than that one, i suppose i could call on the reckless point but it stands to reason the limp-ship is rarely ever weak...like im probably the worst but it's not like i insta-folded for no reason, there was at least some method, wrong or otherwise
as i say, i can fix it going forward


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 19, 2014, 08:17:36 PM
I think it's a terrible fold but maybe I'm the worst.

Just for cliffs

You call him reckless
It went limp limp limp he limped
You raised somebody called
He is a huge dominating stack and goes all in
We have ak




......

I still think there are better spots than that one, i suppose i could call on the reckless point but it stands to reason the limp-ship is rarely ever weak...like im probably the worst but it's not like i insta-folded for no reason, there was at least some method, wrong or otherwise
as i say, i can fix it going forward

Gotta disagree, the limp ship doesn't have to be AA or KK, its normally a limp minraise with these hands. This looks way more like a hand that just doesn't want to see a flop, like some sorta medium/small pair or like AJ/AQ/AK. Either way, I guess I don't mind folding on the basis that if you're good enough you'll be able to find a bunch of spots in these comps to make chips, so when you're pretty deep you can argue against taking a flip on a weak table... I almost certainly happily call in game though, barring some sort of ninja.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 20, 2014, 03:31:01 AM
I think it's a terrible fold but maybe I'm the worst.

Just for cliffs

You call him reckless
It went limp limp limp he limped
You raised somebody called
He is a huge dominating stack and goes all in
We have ak




......

I still think there are better spots than that one, i suppose i could call on the reckless point but it stands to reason the limp-ship is rarely ever weak...like im probably the worst but it's not like i insta-folded for no reason, there was at least some method, wrong or otherwise
as i say, i can fix it going forward

Gotta disagree, the limp ship doesn't have to be AA or KK, its normally a limp minraise with these hands. This looks way more like a hand that just doesn't want to see a flop, like some sorta medium/small pair or like AJ/AQ/AK. Either way, I guess I don't mind folding on the basis that if you're good enough you'll be able to find a bunch of spots in these comps to make chips, so when you're pretty deep you can argue against taking a flip on a weak table... I almost certainly happily call in game though, barring some sort of ninja.

Not sitting there thinking its those kind of hands though, but 8's upwards can easily make the move and im still only racing at best...something, as you say, i felt i didnt need to do given the whole tournament and what it offered/could get out of it skill wise.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 20, 2014, 03:49:15 AM
A Week In The Life Of...

I'm a stats junkie, and my first event for 2014 put me past an important milestone for me, i'd finally paid out £10,000 in buyins...now that sounds like nothing to basically everyone reading this blog, im aware of that, but for me it was something to be relatively proud of, i'd played in enough events to have put up five figures...and i was in profit across the whole career to date. I'll let you guys be the judge of what these stats mean in real world terms, i wish i had more cashes sure, and i wish i had earned more, but for someone with buyins the size i play for its a start at least.

(http://s28.postimg.org/v1x6jfe65/Stats.png)

Also don't judge me for the percentages of buyin return/ROI, ive no actual idea if they are correct, and to be honest putting this online might actually mean i end up getting the real figure if it is wrong! but everything else comes off an automated and proof read spreadsheet :) Yes, i do keep track of EVERY live event i have ever played :-) I also have graphs on various other statistics i like to collect that i might put on here at some stage, who knows :-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: gouty on January 20, 2014, 05:40:29 AM
I think it's a terrible fold but maybe I'm the worst.

Just for cliffs

You call him reckless
It went limp limp limp he limped
You raised somebody called
He is a huge dominating stack and goes all in
We have ak




......
For once I agree with plinop about a live tourney hand. Not even I can find a fold with AK as villain over limped button.

Hey. Great thread and good luck at the pokers.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 20, 2014, 12:58:45 PM
I think it's a terrible fold but maybe I'm the worst.

Just for cliffs

You call him reckless
It went limp limp limp he limped
You raised somebody called
He is a huge dominating stack and goes all in
We have ak




......
For once I agree with plinop about a live tourney hand. Not even I can find a fold with AK as villain over limped button.

Hey. Great thread and good luck at the pokers.

Haha, I try...even if I am sub par xD


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 21, 2014, 02:53:57 AM
The Value Of Money

Poker players are a curious breed, and the environments they frequent tend to lend themselves to extravagance in all forms. Coming from the background I have I've seen thousands in my hands and in the hands of those I know and love one week, then bills being paid by importance alone the next. My parents story of how someone phoned up demanding payment for bills, and the simple threat that "they wouldn't get put into the pot next week" causing negotiations. Oh how I wish those days still existed.

One thing that has always baffled me however is the way in which poker players handle themselves with money, both in hand and in speech. I consider myself fortunate that I hold a large meaning on the value of money and, while I'm not saying other poker players don't, it's not something that seems to come across all that well. When my friends get told of an event for backing purposes they see it in real world terms, where as the people I speak to seem to only view it in terms of bankroll and buyins, devoid of its real life context. When I handed over the buyin for the GPS, for one brief moment I understood just how much £440 was...two weeks work, a months rent, a months food, chances to see the friends on days and nights out...all gone for the sake of a tournament. Sure the potential return is massive. But to understand its worth puts some weight on the situation. For those around me? Some saw it as part of an extensive schedule where the money was merely a figure to see in red or black at the end...some during the tournament already looking how to blow the next £440, having punted off the first load...I can't even begin to understand that. How someone can so quickly write off that kind of cash so easily. Personal circumstances I guess...

While playing this game I've had to become almost desensitised to money as a whole. I've seen tens of thousands won and lost on the turn of a card. If this kind of money was lost in the real world people would be in pieces, but these poker players seem to shrug it off. It might affect them, but they don't show it. I'll always remember walking past Sam trickett's room and peering in as I'm there....here's me, struggling to put together buyins for a tournament these guys would laugh at. Here's me, wondering where my next train fare is coming from, and these guys have enough to pay for me to go to uni for years....here's me celebrating the fact I've finally reached five figures across my career in buyins, and these guys sit down with more than that. Four years work, sitting in front of some guy who if he lost would merely grab his card and get some more.....I don't envy them, merely wish I understood them.

Then you get to the casino side, and that's something I've always found weird, obviously for a few years when Dusk Till Dawn had not caved to financial pressures I was sheltered from seeing such table games, where as now its impossible to avoid them. And the characters are simply immense. Some old guy was playing blackjack a few days ago. And I watched with utter amazement as he'd put down £50 on two boxes....every hand, until the mood took him. Fate, if you'd like.

And all of a sudden he'd slam down £1,000 on a single box, and £50 on the other....he'd lose, the chips would go into the rack, he'd shrug, and reach for the next thousand....this man has in his hands more money than I will likely see for the entire of this year...and that's only because I play this game! A normal person may not even see that much! Yet when he wins big money all it does it sit there, stacking up....it's not thousands being won, its not lifechanging money....it's a scorecard, somedays he's up, somedays he's down....when asked that question he seemed almost accepting of the fact that the house edge would eventually relinquish him of that money...money that, to an innocent bystander, would literally change the outlook of his life for at least the short term, possibly even longer...

I'm not sure what to think anymore really. When I first started on this journey five years ago I used to look in awe at people playing a £75 comp. down the line I've grown to appreciate how much losing the odd hundred here or there hurts. Now? It takes upward of five figures changing hands to even see me flinch. And I'm fairly sure that's not a good thing. Sure context is everything, but long term this game can't be good for your mental state when it comes to money...

Five years ago if you had handed me £10,000 I'd have leapt all over the building crying, thinking of all the amazing things I could do with that. Now? Just a footnote. Waiting for the next £10,000 to come along...

This game is fucking scary sometimes.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 21, 2014, 02:56:28 AM
This isn't a go at people with those kind of sums at there disposal by the way....more me trying to understand the whole concept of how the poker world seems to have such a lackadaisical grasp on the concept of money...least in my eyes


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 21, 2014, 04:08:11 AM
This isn't a go at people with those kind of sums at there disposal by the way....more me trying to understand the whole concept of how the poker world seems to have such a lackadaisical grasp on the concept of money...least in my eyes

I'm not entirely sure lackadaisical is the right word, I wouldn't say we/they're unenthusiastic and careless with money. There is a high level of desensitization, for sure, which comes from seeing large amounts of money change hands every day and the necessity of having to distance yourself from the £/$ to enable you to make collected decisions. Especially in cash games, where your money is going to cross the felt a fair amount of the time with varying degrees of hand strength, sitting there and thinking of it as money rather than big blinds certainly negatively affects your decision making.

Live cash players are used to having that sort of money in front of them, and used to having to deal with losing it. I think the manner in which it is taken from you (that the money is still there, someone physically reaches over, counts it, and hands it to someone else) plays a pretty big part in the desensitization process. I also think the poker world has a very solid grasp on money actually, and what each amount of money corresponds to, because we see and hold that amount of money on regular basis in more real terms than the "muggles". I don't believe that makes us completely detached from it either, because there has to be a value to it to, again, help the decision making process. There are very few social groups where it's acceptable, or at least normal, to ask how much money you made or spent the previous day, so perhaps desensitized is the right way to describe it.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Derbylad on January 21, 2014, 04:17:05 AM
Granted this was a very interesting read and i'd echo a lot of the sentiments in that the value of money is somewhat lost in the mindsets of players compared to the social norm. I find this more precedent with online poker when my bankroll on a screen is certainly less tangible. I've often given the 'cliffs' to my muggle housemates and see them analyzing my very life decisions when i shrug and say "lost about a bag"...."variance".

The wider picture though is that poker players SHOULD operate good bankroll management and SHOULD therefore be able to shrug off wins and losses without an emotional or mental strain on the game. These are the major pressures that cause most players to seek backing or to drop down stakes. It's only the true 'gamblers' among us that don't accommodate for these circumstances and therefore leave ourselves wide open to the cruelty of variance, myself being among them.

All of this said, a lot of these negatives of the game lead to greater learning curves and deeper appreciation, something i'm sure a lot of the reg's and pro's at these games have all been accustom too. Let's be honest though, would poker really have that much attraction to you if you weren't saturated by a world of high octane scenarios where fortunes are built and lost? Probably not, because poker is always going to be centralized around money for the business economy (through sustainable rake) and the player economy (through a sustainable pool of new entrants). Just be glad these situations don't affect you anymore and use them to your advantage.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: gouty on January 21, 2014, 05:09:42 AM
A few great posts there. As usual it's 440 in the morning and I am pretty beered up.

Live cash poker is the nuts. It's where the money is especially if you willing to put Fri and Sat nights in (sober). I would say by far the most important factor is having at least one peer or mentor you can implicitly TRUST. I mean like your mum, but a sweaty bloke.



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 22, 2014, 02:27:12 AM
Granted this was a very interesting read and i'd echo a lot of the sentiments in that the value of money is somewhat lost in the mindsets of players compared to the social norm. I find this more precedent with online poker when my bankroll on a screen is certainly less tangible. I've often given the 'cliffs' to my muggle housemates and see them analyzing my very life decisions when i shrug and say "lost about a bag"...."variance".

The wider picture though is that poker players SHOULD operate good bankroll management and SHOULD therefore be able to shrug off wins and losses without an emotional or mental strain on the game. These are the major pressures that cause most players to seek backing or to drop down stakes. It's only the true 'gamblers' among us that don't accommodate for these circumstances and therefore leave ourselves wide open to the cruelty of variance, myself being among them.

All of this said, a lot of these negatives of the game lead to greater learning curves and deeper appreciation, something i'm sure a lot of the reg's and pro's at these games have all been accustom too. Let's be honest though, would poker really have that much attraction to you if you weren't saturated by a world of high octane scenarios where fortunes are built and lost? Probably not, because poker is always going to be centralized around money for the business economy (through sustainable rake) and the player economy (through a sustainable pool of new entrants). Just be glad these situations don't affect you anymore and use them to your advantage.

This, right here, is pretty much the best response I think I could have ever read. True as well, while it baffles me to some extent I do agree with your idea that it is advantageous for me to be as desensitised as I am. Also agree with the "lost about a bag, variance" bit....trying to explain that to my girlfriend and close friends is.....interesting to say the least.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 22, 2014, 02:31:37 AM
This isn't a go at people with those kind of sums at there disposal by the way....more me trying to understand the whole concept of how the poker world seems to have such a lackadaisical grasp on the concept of money...least in my eyes

I'm not entirely sure lackadaisical is the right word, I wouldn't say we/they're unenthusiastic and careless with money. There is a high level of desensitization, for sure, which comes from seeing large amounts of money change hands every day and the necessity of having to distance yourself from the £/$ to enable you to make collected decisions. Especially in cash games, where your money is going to cross the felt a fair amount of the time with varying degrees of hand strength, sitting there and thinking of it as money rather than big blinds certainly negatively affects your decision making.

Live cash players are used to having that sort of money in front of them, and used to having to deal with losing it. I think the manner in which it is taken from you (that the money is still there, someone physically reaches over, counts it, and hands it to someone else) plays a pretty big part in the desensitization process. I also think the poker world has a very solid grasp on money actually, and what each amount of money corresponds to, because we see and hold that amount of money on regular basis in more real terms than the "muggles". I don't believe that makes us completely detached from it either, because there has to be a value to it to, again, help the decision making process. There are very few social groups where it's acceptable, or at least normal, to ask how much money you made or spent the previous day, so perhaps desensitized is the right way to describe it.

It's this bit that even five years in I struggle with...sure sitting down with £100/£200 doesn't affect me anymore like it used to. But I will admit even at this stage having a few hundred/bags in front of me still makes me take serious stock of the situation. Usually in this instance once the money in front of me is enough for me to pause and think its at that moment I walk away. Not sure if that's the right way to go about it, but yeah.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 22, 2014, 02:40:58 AM
This isn't a go at people with those kind of sums at there disposal by the way....more me trying to understand the whole concept of how the poker world seems to have such a lackadaisical grasp on the concept of money...least in my eyes

I'm not entirely sure lackadaisical is the right word, I wouldn't say we/they're unenthusiastic and careless with money. There is a high level of desensitization, for sure, which comes from seeing large amounts of money change hands every day and the necessity of having to distance yourself from the £/$ to enable you to make collected decisions. Especially in cash games, where your money is going to cross the felt a fair amount of the time with varying degrees of hand strength, sitting there and thinking of it as money rather than big blinds certainly negatively affects your decision making.

Live cash players are used to having that sort of money in front of them, and used to having to deal with losing it. I think the manner in which it is taken from you (that the money is still there, someone physically reaches over, counts it, and hands it to someone else) plays a pretty big part in the desensitization process. I also think the poker world has a very solid grasp on money actually, and what each amount of money corresponds to, because we see and hold that amount of money on regular basis in more real terms than the "muggles". I don't believe that makes us completely detached from it either, because there has to be a value to it to, again, help the decision making process. There are very few social groups where it's acceptable, or at least normal, to ask how much money you made or spent the previous day, so perhaps desensitized is the right way to describe it.

It's this bit that even five years in I struggle with...sure sitting down with £100/£200 doesn't affect me anymore like it used to. But I will admit even at this stage having a few hundred/bags in front of me still makes me take serious stock of the situation. Usually in this instance once the money in front of me is enough for me to pause and think its at that moment I walk away. Not sure if that's the right way to go about it, but yeah.

Just wait till you start playing live cash :p


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Derbylad on January 22, 2014, 02:44:44 AM
This isn't a go at people with those kind of sums at there disposal by the way....more me trying to understand the whole concept of how the poker world seems to have such a lackadaisical grasp on the concept of money...least in my eyes

I'm not entirely sure lackadaisical is the right word, I wouldn't say we/they're unenthusiastic and careless with money. There is a high level of desensitization, for sure, which comes from seeing large amounts of money change hands every day and the necessity of having to distance yourself from the £/$ to enable you to make collected decisions. Especially in cash games, where your money is going to cross the felt a fair amount of the time with varying degrees of hand strength, sitting there and thinking of it as money rather than big blinds certainly negatively affects your decision making.

Live cash players are used to having that sort of money in front of them, and used to having to deal with losing it. I think the manner in which it is taken from you (that the money is still there, someone physically reaches over, counts it, and hands it to someone else) plays a pretty big part in the desensitization process. I also think the poker world has a very solid grasp on money actually, and what each amount of money corresponds to, because we see and hold that amount of money on regular basis in more real terms than the "muggles". I don't believe that makes us completely detached from it either, because there has to be a value to it to, again, help the decision making process. There are very few social groups where it's acceptable, or at least normal, to ask how much money you made or spent the previous day, so perhaps desensitized is the right way to describe it.

It's this bit that even five years in I struggle with...sure sitting down with £100/£200 doesn't affect me anymore like it used to. But I will admit even at this stage having a few hundred/bags in front of me still makes me take serious stock of the situation. Usually in this instance once the money in front of me is enough for me to pause and think its at that moment I walk away. Not sure if that's the right way to go about it, but yeah.

Just wait till you start playing live PLO :p

FYP


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 22, 2014, 02:46:42 AM
This isn't a go at people with those kind of sums at there disposal by the way....more me trying to understand the whole concept of how the poker world seems to have such a lackadaisical grasp on the concept of money...least in my eyes

I'm not entirely sure lackadaisical is the right word, I wouldn't say we/they're unenthusiastic and careless with money. There is a high level of desensitization, for sure, which comes from seeing large amounts of money change hands every day and the necessity of having to distance yourself from the £/$ to enable you to make collected decisions. Especially in cash games, where your money is going to cross the felt a fair amount of the time with varying degrees of hand strength, sitting there and thinking of it as money rather than big blinds certainly negatively affects your decision making.

Live cash players are used to having that sort of money in front of them, and used to having to deal with losing it. I think the manner in which it is taken from you (that the money is still there, someone physically reaches over, counts it, and hands it to someone else) plays a pretty big part in the desensitization process. I also think the poker world has a very solid grasp on money actually, and what each amount of money corresponds to, because we see and hold that amount of money on regular basis in more real terms than the "muggles". I don't believe that makes us completely detached from it either, because there has to be a value to it to, again, help the decision making process. There are very few social groups where it's acceptable, or at least normal, to ask how much money you made or spent the previous day, so perhaps desensitized is the right way to describe it.

It's this bit that even five years in I struggle with...sure sitting down with £100/£200 doesn't affect me anymore like it used to. But I will admit even at this stage having a few hundred/bags in front of me still makes me take serious stock of the situation. Usually in this instance once the money in front of me is enough for me to pause and think its at that moment I walk away. Not sure if that's the right way to go about it, but yeah.

Just wait till you start playing live PLO :p

FYP

This, right here, is pretty much the best FYP I think I could have ever read.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: blueace on January 22, 2014, 02:18:48 PM
I was suprised at the lack of response to your play on the first hand. Hope it doesnt sound too harsh, of course its always easy after the event.......

Blinds: 150/300/25
Starting Stack: 38,000
UTG+2 with  9d Td, raise to 650
CO calls, BTN 3bet to 1700
Call call, three way flop  Jc 8h 8s
Check check, BTN bets 2100
Call, fold, heads up turn  Qs
Check, BTN bets 2100, call
River   Ahrt
Check, BTN bets 4500, I raise to 9200, BTN ships 28,000, I fold

Logic behind this was that his reaction down every street was one of increasing worry, Logic behind check riasing river? Folding? or logic behind passive play until the river raise?

pre he had a tendency to raise really small with monsters (crying call material) so his three bet signalled a strong hand, I went with good implied odds as I didn't believe him capable of folding overpairs, float the flop seems fine to me as I have immediate outs, when they complete and he fires a second time all I put him on are AQ+/10's+, so I'm content to bomb the river expecting to get paid provided I think I'm still ahead. Worst river in the world and more-so when he snap double checked his cards, he looked excited. My raise is purely to find out where I am.
Contradiction? You check raise him on 'worst river in the world' - to find out where you are? With a player giving me action on every street on a board of that texture,  I would want to show strength on the river by betting out as this willl also serve to see 'where I am'. However your passive play up til then meant you were always fighting a losing battle on the river. Absolutely would never check/raise as you are going to be left in a spot as you were, or most of the time only getting called by the better hand.

I could probably make it more but I'm worried of over committing on a paired board. His ship was almost instant, at which point what am I really beating? Correct me if im wrong but this shows a lack of having thought through this move... If im making a check raise on the river (Which but for your passive play prior is a very strong move), then Ive got to think ahead to his likely response... what if he shoves?

I don't think he 3's pre with KQ, that's not his style. So all I can reasonably have him on is AQ/AA/QQ/JJ. He could have KK, I'm not too sure on that one. But I just think calling off is terrible, not sure though.

IMO You played the hand too passively, absolutely should have raised his turn bet... this is when you need to find out how strong he is. Also perhaps you didnt think through how your passive play would influence his thoughts on the hand and his ability to get you to fold...

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Blinds: 250/500/50
Starting Stack: 22,500
Four limpers (UTG, CO, BTN, SB) I'm BB with  Ahrt  Kd, raise to 2400
UTG flats, CO folds, BTN shoves for 91,000, SB folds, I fold

Probably fairly standard but I want clarification. One important thing to note is that the button has been fairly reckless all tournament, but never like this, his standard play would have probably been a 7k 3bet, I just thought that it could be an insane play with the top of his range trying to look spewy or that it was the standard over shove. Either way I considered myself good enough not to risk everything in this spot.

Always a shove here, there are numerous spots where AK should be folded pre, this isnt one of them. You can't win tournaments by waiting for the very best spots, as they may never come....

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Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 22, 2014, 07:02:47 PM
I was suprised at the lack of response to your play on the first hand. Hope it doesnt sound too harsh, of course its always easy after the event.......

Blinds: 150/300/25
Starting Stack: 38,000
UTG+2 with  9d Td, raise to 650
CO calls, BTN 3bet to 1700
Call call, three way flop  Jc 8h 8s
Check check, BTN bets 2100
Call, fold, heads up turn  Qs
Check, BTN bets 2100, call
River   Ahrt
Check, BTN bets 4500, I raise to 9200, BTN ships 28,000, I fold

Logic behind this was that his reaction down every street was one of increasing worry, Logic behind check riasing river? Folding? or logic behind passive play until the river raise?

pre he had a tendency to raise really small with monsters (crying call material) so his three bet signalled a strong hand, I went with good implied odds as I didn't believe him capable of folding overpairs, float the flop seems fine to me as I have immediate outs, when they complete and he fires a second time all I put him on are AQ+/10's+, so I'm content to bomb the river expecting to get paid provided I think I'm still ahead. Worst river in the world and more-so when he snap double checked his cards, he looked excited. My raise is purely to find out where I am.
Contradiction? You check raise him on 'worst river in the world' - to find out where you are? With a player giving me action on every street on a board of that texture,  I would want to show strength on the river by betting out as this willl also serve to see 'where I am'. However your passive play up til then meant you were always fighting a losing battle on the river. Absolutely would never check/raise as you are going to be left in a spot as you were, or most of the time only getting called by the better hand.

I could probably make it more but I'm worried of over committing on a paired board. His ship was almost instant, at which point what am I really beating? Correct me if im wrong but this shows a lack of having thought through this move... If im making a check raise on the river (Which but for your passive play prior is a very strong move), then Ive got to think ahead to his likely response... what if he shoves?

I don't think he 3's pre with KQ, that's not his style. So all I can reasonably have him on is AQ/AA/QQ/JJ. He could have KK, I'm not too sure on that one. But I just think calling off is terrible, not sure though.

IMO You played the hand too passively, absolutely should have raised his turn bet... this is when you need to find out how strong he is. Also perhaps you didnt think through how your passive play would influence his thoughts on the hand and his ability to get you to fold...

-----

Blinds: 250/500/50
Starting Stack: 22,500
Four limpers (UTG, CO, BTN, SB) I'm BB with  Ahrt  Kd, raise to 2400
UTG flats, CO folds, BTN shoves for 91,000, SB folds, I fold

Probably fairly standard but I want clarification. One important thing to note is that the button has been fairly reckless all tournament, but never like this, his standard play would have probably been a 7k 3bet, I just thought that it could be an insane play with the top of his range trying to look spewy or that it was the standard over shove. Either way I considered myself good enough not to risk everything in this spot.

Always a shove here, there are numerous spots where AK should be folded pre, this isnt one of them. You can't win tournaments by waiting for the very best spots, as they may never come....

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never harsh, always looking to learn and you are right this hand got glossed over somewhat. I'll respond in order of boldness (i like that phrase, keeping that)

1. Logic was the check raise yes
2. Agree with this, leading out saves alot more than this play...if i lead for about 3k i can get away to any resistance
3. Yeah, cant really defend this. I think my logic at the time was "i dont think he's got the shove in him" which in hindsight is completely stupid...if he had the very hand i thought he did OF COURSE HE HAS THAT MOVE!
4. I like the turn raise, probs should have thought about that. And agreed i didnt think that...

Sigh...really do need to get better at these chess style plays, gotta think ahead :\


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 22, 2014, 07:08:39 PM
This isn't a go at people with those kind of sums at there disposal by the way....more me trying to understand the whole concept of how the poker world seems to have such a lackadaisical grasp on the concept of money...least in my eyes

I'm not entirely sure lackadaisical is the right word, I wouldn't say we/they're unenthusiastic and careless with money. There is a high level of desensitization, for sure, which comes from seeing large amounts of money change hands every day and the necessity of having to distance yourself from the £/$ to enable you to make collected decisions. Especially in cash games, where your money is going to cross the felt a fair amount of the time with varying degrees of hand strength, sitting there and thinking of it as money rather than big blinds certainly negatively affects your decision making.

Live cash players are used to having that sort of money in front of them, and used to having to deal with losing it. I think the manner in which it is taken from you (that the money is still there, someone physically reaches over, counts it, and hands it to someone else) plays a pretty big part in the desensitization process. I also think the poker world has a very solid grasp on money actually, and what each amount of money corresponds to, because we see and hold that amount of money on regular basis in more real terms than the "muggles". I don't believe that makes us completely detached from it either, because there has to be a value to it to, again, help the decision making process. There are very few social groups where it's acceptable, or at least normal, to ask how much money you made or spent the previous day, so perhaps desensitized is the right way to describe it.

It's this bit that even five years in I struggle with...sure sitting down with £100/£200 doesn't affect me anymore like it used to. But I will admit even at this stage having a few hundred/bags in front of me still makes me take serious stock of the situation. Usually in this instance once the money in front of me is enough for me to pause and think its at that moment I walk away. Not sure if that's the right way to go about it, but yeah.

Just wait till you start playing live PLO :p

FYP

This, right here, is pretty much the best FYP I think I could have ever read.

If i take up live cash any time soon...
...also yeah, best FYP ever...i wont be touching PLO for AGES!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on January 22, 2014, 07:08:54 PM
Don't be one of those "ooh it's a real game of chess, this" people!

Having played the game, surely you know how annoying that is when a tennis/football/cricket/badminton/beer pong/kisschase commentator says that?

::) ::)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 24, 2014, 04:11:34 AM
Don't be one of those "ooh it's a real game of chess, this" people!

Having played the game, surely you know how annoying that is when a tennis/football/cricket/badminton/beer pong/kisschase commentator says that?

::) ::)

LOL true xD


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 24, 2014, 01:28:06 PM
King Of The Hill - Heads-Up Style

I know it's gimmicky, and to the hardcore folk amongst you will likely choke on your coffee for not having a reasonable structure in place. But I've decided to work on my game a bit more and also inject some fun into it. I'm going to (on the side) produce a kind of HUSNG ladder system. Hopefully spin a relatively small bankroll up to something huge. Basically starting with just $1.50 per run. I'll play a series of HUSNG's (normal or turbo) and carry forward with the following rules:-

1. Once I have enough money to play the next buyin level up I move straight up.
2. Money cannot be added at any stage, to move up levels the bankroll has to be capable on its own. Even if the bankroll states $99.99 you have to play the $60 HU, not the $100
3. If I lose a match I must move down in matches until my bankroll can sustain the amount the bankroll should be at. Any money leftover is effectively "saved". If I drop below $1.50 I can top up and start again.
4. After so many matches the bankroll will have naturally inflated, so there are cash-out "checkpoints" on the way. These are to be withdrawn straight away as a kind of prize for reaching that far.
5. Checkpoints get more frequent as we go up the ladder, so as to protect winnings that, for a $1.50 startup would be quite alot. This way no buyin level should feel too high, as money is locked up.
6. Cash outs beyond checkpoints are strictly forbidden, harsh but it forces having to play to win the lot and will improve along the way.
7. Checkpoints are mandatory only once. You go past them after the first cash out.


I'm going to put up how the bracket works. Basically it's divisions of matches, reach the top of the division and you cash out a prize, naturally get knocked down to where the bankroll slots into the ladder, and carry on.

Now be under no illusions I'm aware that this is a daft idea but I want to inject some fun into actually playing these games for an area of my game that is not up to snuff. Plus having an end goal in sight is always a good motivator


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 27, 2014, 03:17:24 AM
Any decent scores/ final tables to report on lately?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 27, 2014, 03:43:10 AM
Any decent scores/ final tables to report on lately?

Nice, I like it ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 27, 2014, 03:51:24 AM
If only it were that simple...

2014 pretty much could not have started off better really...after having spent 7 months without a decent score and 4 months without a cash at all...just managed to come 4/255 in the XXL giant :-) obviously disappointed to have not won it when six handed I had a monster chip lead and lost AK < J9 and JJ < AJ for what would have effectively been the entire tournament but that being said two happy backers and a nice £950 payday says January couldn't have started better :-D

Also majorly happy that for a change I've been going to Dusk Till Dawn recently with a whole new game approach, basically decided that fancy play syndrome was a pile of crap and that it needed to go...clearly worked! I'd played very well in the GPS and it showed but other comps I had a tendency to want to win everything every hand...having since sorted that out things have improved massively and I've been enjoying going. Having the mentality to enjoy myself rather than having to prove myself is nice :-) going forward I will defiantly be playing more XXL's and seeing if we can't try and get something going

Well....at least the poker is going well, real life sucks...managed literally the day after this win to get myself in a serious bind. Managed to lose my wallet in town last night....after having forgot to sort all of the money out :/ luckily I'd taken out all of the backing money the night before (always force myself to, it's proved worthwhile) but of the 70% that was mine I've managed to lose a decent chunk of it :-/

My own fault, life lesson learnt...but fuck me it stings...pokers going really well, I just wish everything else around it was....ah well, onward and upward!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Vinodh on January 27, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
Long time lurker of this Blog! Wd on your score at DTD! Always really nice to boost your confidence with these type of scores. Sincerely hope you crush the life challenges as well. Good luck mate!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 27, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
Long time lurker of this Blog! Wd on your score at DTD! Always really nice to boost your confidence with these type of scores. Sincerely hope you crush the life challenges as well. Good luck mate!

Thanks mate much appreciated :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 28, 2014, 12:09:12 AM
(http://s4.postimg.org/fykper2ot/Kot_H.png)

Here is the heads up idea ive been toying with that i mentioned before...basically it toys off the idea of six divisions and a seven tournament final. Each match has the bankroll from the previous game, any loss tells you where to go and if there is any money leftover (after rounding down) it ends up becoming a kind of safety cash. At prescribed levels you are instructed to cash out a prize, naturally it drops you down but at the end of the day if you are good enough to get that high this will eliminate "run good runs"...you actually have to become good at HU to consider going deep at this. It finds out those high on the variance scale very quickly.

Now im not saying this is a good idea for those grinding (far from it) more something a bit gimicky that provides a bit of fun motivation to learn the game. You'll quickly find after a few hundred games what division you are hovering around and (by that very nature) what levels you should play it if you were to be taking it seriously and started grinding. I'd be very interested to see if someone could manage to weather the early variance and actually make it from bottom to top in this...if you did it without breaks or knockbacks it'd be 59 matches to get from $1.50 to nearly $26,500....that said one insane run and you could pull this off in a day or two...LOL or not xD


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 28, 2014, 04:49:33 PM
When Dreaming Becomes Too Much

Watching these last few weeks unfold has been one filled with alot of joy, tainted with disappointment...and knowing over the next few weeks it's only going to get worse :-( It is true what ive been told before...my emotions, on the whole, swing wildly with the wind...pretty much if it changes direction im not too far behind it.

The deep run in the XXL was great, it feels nice to start the year off with a bang, keeping my cash>final table rate up was a bonus and finally cracking $20k in live earnings was a big achievement...going forward I look forward to the challenges ahead. Losing my wallet and half the winnings was a bitter pill to have to swallow...somewhere out there someone just got a late Christmas present but it still doesn't help the situation i now find myself back in...elated one day, devastated the next.

What's worse though is that ive had to sell chunks for the DTD Grand Prix (Something that had the wallet not gone missing would never have happened) But what upsets me the most is the inability to play the UKPC...Now i know what everyone is going to sit there and say with regards to "not rolled for it, low variance, don't take such big shots" yadda yadda yadda....that is who I am...I can't help but feel intensely disappointed when i had my heart set on playing the first ever British championships the moment it was announced...and in my own local as well...I would play for next to nothing just for the chance, and still give it all the love and dedication as if i had all 100% for myself. I know the XXL is, at the moment, a one off...I just wish we'd have got to 2nd...not even the win, im not greedy, but second would have been enough to have won the free seat, added £500 towards it and lived out a dream...I refuse to give up hope...and i would sell vast intense chunks to play this...we can only dream (Oh, and anyone who wants to say "if you dont have X invested you aren't dedicated enough" can basically stop reading now. Sorry, anyone with that mindset approaches this game with a mindset i simply do not understand nor appreciate. I don't need financial commitment to be dedicated, no matter what anyone else wants to believe)

Ugh. Here i was four days ago elated with the chance to make something of this....one drunken mistake and now im back down where i was....Suppose you can't miss what you never really had eh?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on January 31, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
Must Be A Heater....But How To Keep Warm?

I'm going to take a guess that I'm on some sort of roll, deep runs all over the place, a five event average of over 70% for the first time in years, over a grand up on the year, seven winning days with three winning days in a row...you'd wonder why I'm as broke as I am sometimes!

But it is making me wonder....there's momentum now, sure it's not a lot and at no point am I going to claim that because of a good streak like this I'm clearly amazing and should be playing all the deep stacks. I mean I'm still making mistakes, if only small ones....that said I think to not take advantage of this good fortune would be to let it go to waste...

The question I'm now asking myself however is what to do going forward...I clearly want to press this opportunity to possibly build a respectable bankroll, plus the fact I'm having so many deep runs is starting to turn heads...I've got options, but some are far more appealing than others...

Firstly, and I'm nipping this in the bud now. I don't want to play online. I'm aware the people that frequent this blog will throw their hands up stating that they clearly can't help me then. But the simple fact is I enjoy live more, my play style suits live more, I get more out of my game playing live and currently I the money I have left after life expenses and stuff means if I did go and play online I'd have a schedule that'd last about five days...and I'll cover two responses off right now

1. Play smaller events - no, I literally do not have the motivation to play through five thousand man retard crapshoots where all I'm going to do is get sucked out on by garbage because "it's a $2 comp and they don't care" or make an ultra deep run worth barely fifty quid.

2. Find the motivation - tried, failed, multiple times over many years. Not about to put my first realistic bankroll in 7 months online just to sit there three hours in and go "cool, I cashed twice for a fiver...fuck my life"

Now I want to make clear now that if this bankroll grows in size, to the point where an online bankroll looks to be worth it then I will most definitely make the switch. But I simply don't see $300 as enough motivation. And at the end of the day it's all about motivation. That's why I'm doing so well at the moment, I love live, I'm doing well at it, and its rewarding me.

But with regards to live....do I stick to £25's? Or do I start moving to £50's/£100's with the intention of selling more...I've always been notorious for going into events with next to no % and I'm not adversed to doing that again...do I only play bigger when the guarantees are stupid (and field sizes with it) or do I gradually move up? Or do I just throw caution to the wind and find someone willing to take a swing?

Need to work these out relatively soon...this gravy train may not have too many more stops to go...or does it?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on January 31, 2014, 04:19:18 PM
Pete, as you yourself have said in this diary before, it's not just about the money for you. If you put this attitude into online poker, it will do wonders for your game. Basically, I feel like you've missed the point a little. People like Tomsom and gilly see more hands and more tournaments in a session than you do in a year, and not only that, but these hands are tracked and saved so they can be looked at afterwards. This means that they can review all the hands they've played, mathematically work out if they made good decisions, share hands with other people for second opinions on decisions they made, and through this can find their leaks and improve their game rapidly. Studying and volume are two completely necessary things if you want to take this game seriously as a long term source of income.

Don't play small online tournaments to make millions, because you won't (although if you're a profitable player, you eventually will). Play them because they give you a chance to get a years worth of playing experience in a single day. Don't play them and go crazy because some guy sucked out, get a HUD, and go back through every hand with someone that knows what they're doing so you can analyse your game and find out the mistakes you're making. You'll find that you become much more comfortable live and start understanding situations on a level you didn't previously, and will ultimately enjoy the game more because you'll win more.

As some who was very much in your situation a year ago, at least in that I exclusively played live, I hope you can learn from how important I've found playing online to be for my own game. I learnt all this stuff the hard way because I wouldn't listen to the people around me telling me exactly the things that people are telling you in this thread. Try it, you might surprise yourself.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on January 31, 2014, 04:23:44 PM
Big plus 1!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on January 31, 2014, 05:16:22 PM
Whose heads are all these deep runs turning or was that a metaphor?

I know you said you enjoy live more which is great for a hobby but if you want to make the most of your limited roll then online would be your best bet. Don't have to play million man mtts just grind stts or 180s and watch the money roll in. Think you might have a touch of shooting for the stars syndrome (which most of us have been guilty of).

Why is $300 not enough motivation btw? isn't that about what you get for 9th in the £25 anyway? I think too many people let their ego get in the way with poker. Money is money imo.

Realistically you can only play x1 live mtt per day and you can soon go broke doing this but if online is an absolute no go I would stick to playing £25 on my own dime and try and satellite into bigger events. If you got semi backed for bigger comps then ended up getting dropped due to running bad, variance or finding it tougher than originally thought then you could maybe struggle with motivation having to drop back down again. 



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 31, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
You say you don't want to play the 3 dollar crapshoot a online, can you explain the difference between those and the xxls after the second break?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on January 31, 2014, 08:11:10 PM
I think you are being very 'romantic' about poker.

You do not 'turn heads' by making deep runs in poker comps.  Maybe if you was constantly making the final of 1ks then fair enough. Have seen you mention sponsorship before too; speaking as someone as who has been sponsored before and also works on Sky Poker, the sponsorship deals just aren't out there. No one is scouting out poker rooms or checking hendon mobs for someone who can 'turn their head'.

If you want to end up being backed then those are actually fairly easy to attain but only if you commit to a serious tonne of online grinding, then yes, you may be able to  turn up to a live poker event with some badge on at 50/50 with makeup.

Pleno made an excellent post about why live events at the levels you are playing are just unbeatable.  Re-read it.

If you wanna focus on mainly live then you have to grind cash to make the tournie BIs.  If you wanna move up and play bigger live MTTs then you have to focus on both online and live sats.

Hilarious to call $2 online comps 'crapshoots'.  CBA to run the numbers but pretty certain that the average sub $5 comp online has far, far more play in it than any sub £50 live tournie.




Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on January 31, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
I think you are being very 'romantic' about poker.

You do not 'turn heads' by making deep runs in poker comps.  Maybe if you was constantly making the final of 1ks then fair enough. Have seen you mention sponsorship before too; speaking as someone as who has been sponsored before and also works on Sky Poker, the sponsorship deals just aren't out there. No one is scouting out poker rooms or checking hendon mobs for someone who can 'turn their head'.

If you want to end up being backed then those are actually fairly easy to attain but only if you commit to a serious tonne of online grinding, then yes, you may be able to  turn up to a live poker event with some badge on at 50/50 with makeup.

Pleno made an excellent post about why live events at the levels you are playing are just unbeatable.  Re-read it.

If you wanna focus on mainly live then you have to grind cash to make the tournie BIs.  If you wanna move up and play bigger live MTTs then you have to focus on both online and live sats.

Hilarious to call $2 online comps 'crapshoots'.  CBA to run the numbers but pretty certain that the average sub $5 comp online has far, far more play in it than any sub £50 live tournie.




Top reply, hope this advice isn't shrugged off. Some top posts on this blog ice shade, think I'm getting more out of it than you are!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on January 31, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
Also this may come across as spam, but I can kind of understand why sometimes it easy to dismiss the small BI comps on Stars....as they are thousands and thousands of runners, require a bit of run good and a lot of the time a min cash is a really poor return in terms of actual money.

If you want a site that is closest to the 'live' poker experience, with the lower variance of smaller fields then try the site Tikay calls 'next door'.  It's a site thats often mocked by 'pros', however there are plenty of people grinding out solid wins week in week out there and if you are a decent player then I see no reason why you couldn't do the same.  I believe that Rexas plays there too so he should be able to advise you as well.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 01, 2014, 03:34:57 AM
I do love the ability of hindsight...When i wrote that...as I write most blogs (That's the point imo) it was one of those "been thinking for a while, suddenly depressed...to the blog!"...As much as it pains me I agree with all of you. There are the odd little bits i would correct/question but they merely serve to wave my dick about, which is not something i want to do as 98% of what's been written I simply have no arguments against and, as much as it may not look it on the surface...I appreciate more than you will ever realise. Rexas has the best one with transferring the "money doesnt matter" mentality...after re-reading what ive typed previously it does look very contradictory (Look? it is...) to say i would play for nothing live but when it "effectively" is nothing online i simply cant be arsed....I know why, it's all about distractions, live i don't have them where as online i all kinds of do...suppose once distractions come into it the money begins to matter (wont try and find an excuse...it simply shouldn't be an excuse, hands up to that one)...Anyone got specific advice on reducing distractions while playing online? If not ruling them out altogether?

I need to sort out the motivation...cause it clearly exists everywhere else, why not here?



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 01, 2014, 03:41:19 AM
Plans For January

Seeing as this is the quietest month of the year with regards to everything, I think it best to start slow, trying to push to do things in a month that is typically the worst for backers/friends/family/me sounds a little retarded. Hopefully i'll do this each month and go from there, the plans laid out will get more detailed in the coming months once i have a gauge for how much im actually capable of.

Live Events For 01/14
£440 Genting Poker Series Nottingham - 10/01 (57.65%)
£80 XXL Giant 17/01 (51.50%)
£80 XXL Giant 24/01 (98.43%, 4/255)
£80 XXL Giant 31/01 (6.48%)

Online Events For 01/14
Play 50 Tournaments (1/50)

University 01/14
Finish Leadership & Employability Coursework
Start Forex Trading Dissertation

League Of Legends 01/14
Learn One More ADC And One More Jungle Champion (Learnt Four Total)
50 LP In Bronze 1 (Still Bronze 5)

Other Tasks 01/14
Apply For The University Gym - Find What Level We Are At

First month works well in half the areas....and disastrously in others...Happy im playing live to the level i want to be but the online (as the last two pages go to show) is abysmal...uni is worrying me because its fast looking to be falling apart, not through lack of knowledge but after 18 years ive simply had enough...not to mention other stuff surrounding it. League seems to be on a hiatus as the bronze V scrubs are driving me insane...playing the placement on tilt was always gonna end badly! And the gym thing seems to have fallen...but ive got my dad sorting things on that front so i expect it to be better going forward.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 05, 2014, 12:16:27 AM
Decided to do an update seeing as i want to keep this as active as possible. University is slowly but surely falling apart, sometime this week i reckon im going to pull one of the tutors aside because deadlines are creeping and it needs to be sorted. I know it's a commitment issue as ive been in education for 18 years, university for four and america, this degree, the tutors and a few other things are taking their toll on me...at the point where if someone offered me a half decent job id drop in a heartbeat...sad but true. Hence why it needs fixing.

On the poker front ive been playing online a bit, few smallish cashes, nothing of any note to report really. I could put some hands up but unlike the GPS there's none i see as cause for debate, again i might if i re-read them (which ive started to do two days after the tournament so im not "in the moment thinking". Any advice on if i should do it after 1? 3?) Live ive been doing my bollocks in since the final table...not because of events but because of liferoll. Unfortunatley i can't seperate the money because, honestly, i have no ability to stop myself. If i had a £3k bankroll and was struggling to get the train to uni 1. The family would kill me, 2. I'd probably kill me. Just ugh.

I'd love the chance to source buyins longterm, even if i had to start ULTRA LOW...but alas. I'll keep plugging away! Not much gonna stop me!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: kano on February 05, 2014, 12:30:30 AM
You can tell from your posts that you have a great passion for the game, but with deadlines approaching etc, the best thing to do would be to take a break from poker.

The game will still be here whenever you come back to it, it isn't going anywhere.

Your university degree is worth so much more than grinding a few tournaments, even if it doesn't feel like it now.

Don't drop the course, you will regret it.

Good Luck!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 05, 2014, 12:38:02 AM
You can tell from your posts that you have a great passion for the game, but with deadlines approaching etc, the best thing to do would be to take a break from poker.

The game will still be here whenever you come back to it, it isn't going anywhere.

Your university degree is worth so much more than grinding a few tournaments, even if it doesn't feel like it now.

Don't drop the course, you will regret it.

Good Luck!

Nah i'll never drop the degree, as much as i sit here saying it it'd take something rather impressive for me to bother doing that. And when the deadlines come up (and ive spoken to the tutors and put a plan in place for workloads) then naturally everything takes a break. But during my downtime i always have and always want to dedicate myself to this game, you are right, i have a passion. I love it to pieces...I won't deny i don't work as hard as some on here but believe me had i the money/spare time then i'd throw my life behind it. Before uni that's what i did...hense why my best years are behind me :\

I won't drop it. But i don't want to sacrifice anything on the way IF i can help it.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Eso Kral on February 05, 2014, 08:38:14 PM
Bonjour

I have a friend who is an avid reader of this thread but would prefer to remain nameless and he and I if you accept would like to put you into the live leg of your choice in this weeks Grand Prix at DTD with 1 bullet and you are playing for 50% of yourself with us getting the other 50% of any cash returned as a one off punt.

If you happen to be in the final 10 therefore binking the £1100 UKPC seat then we will happily take the same % forward of that seat and if you choose to sell any of your 50% then that is down to you.

I am happy for you to accept by quoting this post letting us know and if you then PM me your bank deets I will ship Fri morning at the latest.

Let me know and GL if you accept....


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 05, 2014, 09:51:47 PM
Bonjour

I have a friend who is an avid reader of this thread but would prefer to remain nameless and he and I if you accept would like to put you into the live leg of your choice in this weeks Grand Prix at DTD with 1 bullet and you are playing for 50% of yourself with us getting the other 50% of any cash returned as a one off punt.

If you happen to be in the final 10 therefore binking the £1100 UKPC seat then we will happily take the same % forward of that seat and if you choose to sell any of your 50% then that is down to you.

I am happy for you to accept by quoting this post letting us know and if you then PM me your bank deets I will ship Fri morning at the latest.

Let me know and GL if you accept....

I find it really heart warming people want to offer me the chance and I will gladly accept :-) been looking forward to it for a while so there's a lot of motivation :D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 06, 2014, 12:07:13 AM
Just been catching up on this diary, I have few observations, but as I am on my phone can't come up with a post that will do it justice.  Enjoyable read so far!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 06, 2014, 12:13:47 AM
Just been catching up on this diary, I have few observations, but as I am on my phone can't come up with a post that will do it justice.  Enjoyable read so far!

think youd need to be dressed as blackadder whislt writing with quill and parchment to do some of this justice ;)

 rotflmfao rotflmfao ;whistle; ;ifm; ;ifm; ;nana; ;nana;


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 06, 2014, 02:35:31 AM
Just been catching up on this diary, I have few observations, but as I am on my phone can't come up with a post that will do it justice.  Enjoyable read so far!

think youd need to be dressed as blackadder whislt writing with quill and parchment to do some of this justice ;)

 rotflmfao rotflmfao ;whistle; ;ifm; ;ifm; ;nana; ;nana;

Think I have some of that in my wardrobe for the next final table....


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Eso Kral on February 07, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
Sent £60 via fast payment bud glgl


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Eso Kral on February 07, 2014, 06:30:25 PM
How we doing bud?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 07, 2014, 07:40:23 PM
Eso, it was on Facebook that he bust a little while ago.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Eso Kral on February 07, 2014, 07:48:07 PM
Eso, it was on Facebook that he bust a little while ago.
Ah not on FB so didn't know

Ul Pete


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 08, 2014, 01:53:48 PM
Yeah sorry Eso, was a little depressing how it ended up happening...fairly sure i played the key hand right apart from one street so will be uploading the hand on here when i get chance. I was paying serious attention to it as i didnt want to miss the opportunity, so there's alot of details on the players. Again wish i could have done better for us :(


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 10, 2014, 02:17:33 AM
Yeah sorry Eso, was a little depressing how it ended up happening...fairly sure i played the key hand right apart from one street so will be uploading the hand on here when i get chance. I was paying serious attention to it as i didnt want to miss the opportunity, so there's alot of details on the players. Again wish i could have done better for us :(

hand, hand, hand, hand!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 10, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With  Jc Ts
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls

Pot: 2,850
Board  8h Td Tc

CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls

Pot: 6,450
Board  8h Td Tc ( 5h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls

Pot: 14,850
Board  8h Td Tc 5h ( 3h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls

CO Shows  6h 4h wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows  Jc Ts loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens

----------

Right, i'd been pretty active...I was very aware of that, and the cutoff had not been getting tricky (in fact very few people had) and had in fact been VERY face up, the two hands he had made monsters of had been raised in peoples faces, so him calling the flop roughly told me a decent equity hand, but not much past that, 10's down, suited connectors, that sort of thing....when the flop came down and i c-bet his call wasnt all that quick but he displayed no sign of weakness...im not putting him on 8's or a 10 because given how he's been playing they get stuck in my eye on the flop...I'd imagined either a pocket pair or a single eight...When the turn hits and i fire the second bullet im 100% confident im still ahead, but aware of the second heart im trying to price that kind of crap out (Was this enough to do that?), this time however he's staring me out...and i mean intensely staring me out, it struck me his hand was crap and he was just wondering if i had the ten...so im basically commiting to my read at this stage, most likely an 8 given how he calls the flop. He eventually dwell calls. When the river hits (Wrongly) im not too scared of the flush. Im fairly confident in the idea nobody on my table was loose enough to call the flop with nothing more than a backdoor, and if ive got him on the 8, he straight up can't have two hearts...that said his dwell-stare call made me feel a river bet gets called by worse almost all of the time given how active ive been...i thought the shove could put him off given that it was an effective all in for him (roughly the same starting stack)...the 8k was purely a value bet basically...

Now im probably the worst. And will likely get abused for this hand. But i had my reasoning behind it all...I just could not put him on the flush given how the hand went down, i didnt think he was that daft to call off on the flop. And i stand by the idea stronger hands on the flop would have made themselves aware...he had not demonstrated any way to be tricksy...

*Cowers in the corner*


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tommy Bingham on February 10, 2014, 06:22:52 PM
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Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on February 10, 2014, 06:38:21 PM
Well said, Tommy

 :dontask:

Aaaaaanywaaaaay...

Before the people who know what they're doing show up, it doesn't look to me like a particularly bad hand. I think I probably err on the side of caution too often on the river, as I wouldn't be surprised if I checked behind too often. Checking the river from him looks a little odd, as how is J9 or any of his hands you beat going to win this pot without either leading the scare card or getting all funky with the check-raise?

What is going to call your 8k bet? Your action seems fairly overpairy to me, so I don't believe he's calling with bluff catchers very often.

I don't mind your value bet on the end, although I suspect you could bet less, given more hands you lose to call than those you beat. Interested in what the adults think...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 10, 2014, 08:56:47 PM
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cliffs?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 10, 2014, 10:08:54 PM
Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With  Jc Ts
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls

Pot: 2,850
Board  8h Td Tc

CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls

Pot: 6,450
Board  8h Td Tc ( 5h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls

Pot: 14,850
Board  8h Td Tc 5h ( 3h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls

CO Shows  6h 4h wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows  Jc Ts loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens

----------


The whole hand confuses me if im honest.
Why raise on the button with this hand? Hardly a premium and surely we want to be seeing a flop multi ways? Not sure why we would ever raise, and so big too? If raising i might make it 1100 or something, never 9bbs.
As played, just seems your bet sizing seems too big all the way down, flop more like 1100 1200 maybe and 4200 is wayyy to big. If you read him for an 8 why would you bet nearly 3/4 of the pot? surely you want to keep him in for a river bet? Even draws you want to come along for a street sometimes.
River just seems so weird, im with Tal, sometimes a check behind is fine, but most of the time im betting. COuld he not have A10hh or something like that? or another heart combo with a 10?
Pot on a whole seems weird, im the first to admit the dtd players can be bad and Im guilty of this more than often. But he flats 1800 pre, then pure floats on that board with 6 high no immediate draws?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 10, 2014, 10:27:35 PM
hh reading fail.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 10, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
do apologise, my bad on the HH pre flop, was 4 tabling, watching die hard and cooking pizza while writing it.
sorry haha, think all else is alright


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 10, 2014, 10:43:08 PM
Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With  Jc Ts
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls

Pot: 2,850
Board  8h Td Tc

CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls

Pot: 6,450
Board  8h Td Tc ( 5h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls

Pot: 14,850
Board  8h Td Tc 5h ( 3h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls

CO Shows  6h 4h wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows  Jc Ts loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens

----------


The whole hand confuses me if im honest.
Why raise on the button with this hand? Hardly a premium and surely we want to be seeing a flop multi ways? Not sure why we would ever raise, and so big too? If raising i might make it 1100 or something, never 9bbs.
As played, just seems your bet sizing seems too big all the way down, flop more like 1100 1200 maybe and 4200 is wayyy to big. If you read him for an 8 why would you bet nearly 3/4 of the pot? surely you want to keep him in for a river bet? Even draws you want to come along for a street sometimes.
River just seems so weird, im with Tal, sometimes a check behind is fine, but most of the time im betting. COuld he not have A10hh or something like that? or another heart combo with a 10?
Pot on a whole seems weird, im the first to admit the dtd players can be bad and Im guilty of this more than often. But he flats 1800 pre, then pure floats on that board with 6 high no immediate draws?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pokerplayingfarmer on February 10, 2014, 10:49:33 PM
Ok time for my first barge in on someones diary!

As a player who likes to be active my self I see no problem with the pre flop raise, squeeze a couple out in position why not? A lot worse hands to see flops with on the button.

Tbh I probably keep firing down the streets just the same as you did, river included, you've been active so you know your going to get paid by a lot of weaker value hands like pretty much any pocket pair, any 8, maybe even hero called by Ace high from the true non believers.

Making assumptions maybe, but I'm thinking the villain here has picked up on your activeness and called the flop bet (thinking why would you bet 1900 if you actually had a ten) with the intentions of a bluff on a later street, possibly turn, more probable a river bluff imo.  you've shown no signs of slowing down on the turn so thinking now goes that you might actually have something, but they now have the draw, which gets there.

Villain is a non believer and has floated to bluff, hit runner runner.  Unlucky you in my view.

 I would say 'normally' though, the 4200 should have been enough to make the draw fold on a paired board.  


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 10, 2014, 11:30:22 PM
Seems the consensus is around my bet sizing yeah...feels good that the major error is one like that and not like the 45o hand of before xD

Im thinking about the check behind on the river and possibly...but there's no straight, any full house would have made itself known (given who he is), so any raise on a street and everything plays totally differently...
Flop raise: I probably save at least one street
Turn raise: Probably sends me to the rail, seeing as i probably level myself into thinking i want to push him off a flush draw (im the worst)
River shove: Most likely find the fold...given the table dynamic...

Not sure i want to put this down to bad luck because its interesting to work out if the check on the river is optimal...not too sure


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: WotRTheChances on February 10, 2014, 11:51:29 PM
Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With  Jc Ts
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls

Pot: 2,850
Board  8h Td Tc

CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls

Pot: 6,450
Board  8h Td Tc ( 5h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls

Pot: 14,850
Board  8h Td Tc 5h ( 3h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls

CO Shows  6h 4h wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows  Jc Ts loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens

WP. I play exactly the same, didnt bother reading the big paragraph under it, but if you're trying to find ways of getting away/losing less in the hand then you're thinking into it way too much. IMO not betting any of the streets or even betting less at any point would be losing value in the long term.

In this comp you're going to get stationed down here by worse hand A LOT. Very few hands you lose to (64hh just shouldn't be a part of his range you should even consider tbh, don't know how he ever has that). You've flopped the joint... bet big big big, it's the way forward esp vs a villain who's already overlimped and peeled OOP.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 10, 2014, 11:53:04 PM
Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With  Jc Ts
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls

Pot: 2,850
Board  8h Td Tc

CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls

Pot: 6,450
Board  8h Td Tc ( 5h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls

Pot: 14,850
Board  8h Td Tc 5h ( 3h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls

CO Shows  6h 4h wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows  Jc Ts loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens

WP. I play exactly the same, didnt bother reading the big paragraph under it, but if you're trying to find ways of getting away/losing less in the hand then you're thinking into it way too much. IMO not betting any of the streets or even betting less at any point would be losing value in the long term.

In this comp you're going to get stationed down here by worse hand A LOT. Very few hands you lose to (64hh just shouldn't be a part of his range you should even consider tbh, don't know how he ever has that). You've flopped the joint... bet big big big, it's the way forward esp vs a villain who's already overlimped and peeled OOP.

This defiantly made me smile :-) Thanks :-D


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 11, 2014, 12:10:41 AM
I agree with wotrthwchances. Assuming he's not on some level, I think the hand is fine.

I also think there are too many people that want to ridicule Peter, and dissect any hand he plays, then disguise it as trying to help.





Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 11, 2014, 12:13:46 AM
I agree with wotrthwchances. Assuming he's not on some level, I think the hand is fine.

I also think there are too many people that want to ridicule Peter, and dissect any hand he plays, then disguise it as trying to help.


<3


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 11, 2014, 12:22:42 AM
Dont think anyone is trying to ridicule Peter. we have spoken a number of times at DTD and elsewhere and he knows everyone is trying to be constructive. Having come from a background largely based around high level sport, will always offer constructive criticism. Not much point in posting if you expect us to all say well played, unlucky. Often need many people to offer as detailed help as possible, otherwise there really is no point in posting them. In this spot, he has asked for advice, and most people will go into more detail as its fine margins that can mean all the difference.
A10hh? i agree as played he shouldnt have, how about K10 or Q10? DOnt see how these hands are any less likely than 64hh i think. Be interested what the better players thoughts will be, and i hope any advice they offer isnt interpreted as ridicule, as that would be totally wrong.
If peter thinks that people are ridiculing him, then fair enough, ill guess there wont be many posters before long.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: DrDreh on February 11, 2014, 12:24:27 AM
I agree with wotrthwchances. Assuming he's not on some level, I think the hand is fine.

I also think there are too many people that want to ridicule Peter, and dissect any hand he plays, then disguise it as trying to help.






Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 11, 2014, 12:33:26 AM
Dont think anyone is trying to ridicule Peter. we have spoken a number of times at DTD and elsewhere and he knows everyone is trying to be constructive. Having come from a background largely based around high level sport, will always offer constructive criticism. Not much point in posting if you expect us to all say well played, unlucky. Often need many people to offer as detailed help as possible, otherwise there really is no point in posting them. In this spot, he has asked for advice, and most people will go into more detail as its fine margins that can mean all the difference.
A10hh? i agree as played he shouldnt have, how about K10 or Q10? DOnt see how these hands are any less likely than 64hh i think. Be interested what the better players thoughts will be, and i hope any advice they offer isnt interpreted as ridicule, as that would be totally wrong.
If peter thinks that people are ridiculing him, then fair enough, ill guess there wont be many posters before long.

Ha, you answered the bit I edited out :) I removed the a10 bit as I didn't see you put other heart combo's too, but you're right, I suppose there are other tens, but if we are including k10 and q10, we could include 109 and 107? Then the non heart 8 combo's? 99? JJ even.

My post wasn't intended specifically for you, it was intended for the people asking for the hand to be posted, then when it was, tommy posted, then edited, which is fair enough, but jgill was more interested in what tommy said, rather than commenting on the hand that HE had asked to be put up. It's not just him, there is a theme running through the whole diary. And it isn't very nice to read.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 11, 2014, 12:42:58 AM
Dont think anyone is trying to ridicule Peter. we have spoken a number of times at DTD and elsewhere and he knows everyone is trying to be constructive. Having come from a background largely based around high level sport, will always offer constructive criticism. Not much point in posting if you expect us to all say well played, unlucky. Often need many people to offer as detailed help as possible, otherwise there really is no point in posting them. In this spot, he has asked for advice, and most people will go into more detail as its fine margins that can mean all the difference.
A10hh? i agree as played he shouldnt have, how about K10 or Q10? DOnt see how these hands are any less likely than 64hh i think. Be interested what the better players thoughts will be, and i hope any advice they offer isnt interpreted as ridicule, as that would be totally wrong.
If peter thinks that people are ridiculing him, then fair enough, ill guess there wont be many posters before long.

Ha, you answered the bit I edited out :) I removed the a10 bit as I didn't see you put other heart combo's too, but you're right, I suppose there are other tens, but if we are including k10 and q10, we could include 109 and 107? Then the non heart 8 combo's? 99? JJ even.

My post wasn't intended specifically for you, it was intended for the people asking for the hand to be posted, then when it was, tommy posted, then edited, which is fair enough, but jgill was more interested in what tommy said, rather than commenting on the hand that HE had asked to be put up. It's not just him, there is a theme running through the whole diary. And it isn't very nice to read.

Most people who post, and there seem to be alot post on this diary who are keen to see Peter improve! All the diaries have banter in them, but think its harsh to suggest some people are taking the piss, when i dont see that being the case.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 11, 2014, 12:48:05 AM
Dont think anyone is trying to ridicule Peter. we have spoken a number of times at DTD and elsewhere and he knows everyone is trying to be constructive. Having come from a background largely based around high level sport, will always offer constructive criticism. Not much point in posting if you expect us to all say well played, unlucky. Often need many people to offer as detailed help as possible, otherwise there really is no point in posting them. In this spot, he has asked for advice, and most people will go into more detail as its fine margins that can mean all the difference.
A10hh? i agree as played he shouldnt have, how about K10 or Q10? DOnt see how these hands are any less likely than 64hh i think. Be interested what the better players thoughts will be, and i hope any advice they offer isnt interpreted as ridicule, as that would be totally wrong.
If peter thinks that people are ridiculing him, then fair enough, ill guess there wont be many posters before long.

Ha, you answered the bit I edited out :) I removed the a10 bit as I didn't see you put other heart combo's too, but you're right, I suppose there are other tens, but if we are including k10 and q10, we could include 109 and 107? Then the non heart 8 combo's? 99? JJ even.

My post wasn't intended specifically for you, it was intended for the people asking for the hand to be posted, then when it was, tommy posted, then edited, which is fair enough, but jgill was more interested in what tommy said, rather than commenting on the hand that HE had asked to be put up. It's not just him, there is a theme running through the whole diary. And it isn't very nice to read.

Most people who post, and there seem to be alot post on this diary who are keen to see Peter improve! All the diaries have banter in them, but think its harsh to suggest some people are taking the piss, when i dont see that being the case.

Well, we see it differently then.

Peter is an eccentric, and a bit of a dreamer. he's had some solid advice in this diary, but he's also had some piss taking. I've laughed at some of the stuff he's put in here, I've even discussed it off forum with people as being funny, I'll happily admit that, but there is definitely a bit of 'post more, so we can ridicule' going on. IMO.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 11, 2014, 12:49:50 AM
Dont think anyone is trying to ridicule Peter. we have spoken a number of times at DTD and elsewhere and he knows everyone is trying to be constructive. Having come from a background largely based around high level sport, will always offer constructive criticism. Not much point in posting if you expect us to all say well played, unlucky. Often need many people to offer as detailed help as possible, otherwise there really is no point in posting them. In this spot, he has asked for advice, and most people will go into more detail as its fine margins that can mean all the difference.
A10hh? i agree as played he shouldnt have, how about K10 or Q10? DOnt see how these hands are any less likely than 64hh i think. Be interested what the better players thoughts will be, and i hope any advice they offer isnt interpreted as ridicule, as that would be totally wrong.
If peter thinks that people are ridiculing him, then fair enough, ill guess there wont be many posters before long.

Ha, you answered the bit I edited out :) I removed the a10 bit as I didn't see you put other heart combo's too, but you're right, I suppose there are other tens, but if we are including k10 and q10, we could include 109 and 107? Then the non heart 8 combo's? 99? JJ even.

My post wasn't intended specifically for you, it was intended for the people asking for the hand to be posted, then when it was, tommy posted, then edited, which is fair enough, but jgill was more interested in what tommy said, rather than commenting on the hand that HE had asked to be put up. It's not just him, there is a theme running through the whole diary. And it isn't very nice to read.

Most people who post, and there seem to be alot post on this diary who are keen to see Peter improve! All the diaries have banter in them, but think its harsh to suggest some people are taking the piss, when i dont see that being the case.

Well, we see it differently then.

Peter is an eccentric, and a bit of a dreamer. he's had some solid advice in this diary, but he's also had some piss taking. I've laughed at some of the stuff he's put in here, I've even discussed it off forum with people as being funny, I'll happily admit that, but there is definitely a bit of 'post more, so we can ridicule' going on. IMO.

Agree to disagree!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 11, 2014, 12:50:59 AM
Dont think anyone is trying to ridicule Peter. we have spoken a number of times at DTD and elsewhere and he knows everyone is trying to be constructive. Having come from a background largely based around high level sport, will always offer constructive criticism. Not much point in posting if you expect us to all say well played, unlucky. Often need many people to offer as detailed help as possible, otherwise there really is no point in posting them. In this spot, he has asked for advice, and most people will go into more detail as its fine margins that can mean all the difference.
A10hh? i agree as played he shouldnt have, how about K10 or Q10? DOnt see how these hands are any less likely than 64hh i think. Be interested what the better players thoughts will be, and i hope any advice they offer isnt interpreted as ridicule, as that would be totally wrong.
If peter thinks that people are ridiculing him, then fair enough, ill guess there wont be many posters before long.

Ha, you answered the bit I edited out :) I removed the a10 bit as I didn't see you put other heart combo's too, but you're right, I suppose there are other tens, but if we are including k10 and q10, we could include 109 and 107? Then the non heart 8 combo's? 99? JJ even.

My post wasn't intended specifically for you, it was intended for the people asking for the hand to be posted, then when it was, tommy posted, then edited, which is fair enough, but jgill was more interested in what tommy said, rather than commenting on the hand that HE had asked to be put up. It's not just him, there is a theme running through the whole diary. And it isn't very nice to read.

Most people who post, and there seem to be alot post on this diary who are keen to see Peter improve! All the diaries have banter in them, but think its harsh to suggest some people are taking the piss, when i dont see that being the case.

Well, we see it differently then.

Peter is an eccentric, and a bit of a dreamer. he's had some solid advice in this diary, but he's also had some piss taking. I've laughed at some of the stuff he's put in here, I've even discussed it off forum with people as being funny, I'll happily admit that, but there is definitely a bit of 'post more, so we can ridicule' going on. IMO.

Agree to disagree!

Agreed ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 11, 2014, 01:12:16 AM
I'm going to put up a post either in the next few hours or day/two regarding everything to do with me/the blog/alot...Make no mistake im likely to offend alot of people but i'll write how i feel as i feel it. There's alot i need off my chest regarding all of this...and it might show just what kind of a character i am behind all of the bravado and dreams


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 11, 2014, 02:40:36 AM
Dont think anyone is trying to ridicule Peter. we have spoken a number of times at DTD and elsewhere and he knows everyone is trying to be constructive. Having come from a background largely based around high level sport, will always offer constructive criticism. Not much point in posting if you expect us to all say well played, unlucky. Often need many people to offer as detailed help as possible, otherwise there really is no point in posting them. In this spot, he has asked for advice, and most people will go into more detail as its fine margins that can mean all the difference.
A10hh? i agree as played he shouldnt have, how about K10 or Q10? DOnt see how these hands are any less likely than 64hh i think. Be interested what the better players thoughts will be, and i hope any advice they offer isnt interpreted as ridicule, as that would be totally wrong.
If peter thinks that people are ridiculing him, then fair enough, ill guess there wont be many posters before long.

Ha, you answered the bit I edited out :) I removed the a10 bit as I didn't see you put other heart combo's too, but you're right, I suppose there are other tens, but if we are including k10 and q10, we could include 109 and 107? Then the non heart 8 combo's? 99? JJ even.

My post wasn't intended specifically for you, it was intended for the people asking for the hand to be posted, then when it was, tommy posted, then edited, which is fair enough, but jgill was more interested in what tommy said, rather than commenting on the hand that HE had asked to be put up. It's not just him, there is a theme running through the whole diary. And it isn't very nice to read.
FYI I snap told him my preferred line in pm, so didn't feel like posting it in here as I didn't really want to repeat myself to him.

I'm probably the last person itt waiting to dissect him. Always offered Peter help on both a poker and personal level, with him returning the favour.

Obv don't want others thinking I'm getting way ool here, was just interested in opinions being posted


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 11, 2014, 03:30:26 AM
Prett you're rivers going to be abut thin. At I dig the size but jt I think littttle smaller. I read hh initially and read that you had jacks and definitely wanted to check, there's not really any difference in hstrength between them.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 11, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
What was the busto hand, if you don't mind me asking?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 11, 2014, 04:44:59 PM
Oh the busto hand? JJ into A10 for about 11 bigs, shoved from middle position, ace on the turn...standard really


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 11, 2014, 11:10:32 PM
Oh the busto hand? JJ into A10 for about 11 bigs, shoved from middle position, ace on the turn...standard really

What was the 86 hand you were talking about on fb? I just assumed that was your exit hand?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tommy Bingham on February 12, 2014, 01:35:57 PM
Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With  Jc Ts
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls

Pot: 2,850
Board  8h Td Tc

CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls

Pot: 6,450
Board  8h Td Tc ( 5h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls

Pot: 14,850
Board  8h Td Tc 5h ( 3h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls

CO Shows  6h 4h wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows  Jc Ts loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens

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Right, i'd been pretty active...I was very aware of that, and the cutoff had not been getting tricky (in fact very few people had) and had in fact been VERY face up, the two hands he had made monsters of had been raised in peoples faces, so him calling the flop roughly told me a decent equity hand, but not much past that, 10's down, suited connectors, that sort of thing....when the flop came down and i c-bet his call wasnt all that quick but he displayed no sign of weakness...im not putting him on 8's or a 10 because given how he's been playing they get stuck in my eye on the flop...I'd imagined either a pocket pair or a single eight...When the turn hits and i fire the second bullet im 100% confident im still ahead, but aware of the second heart im trying to price that kind of crap out (Was this enough to do that?), this time however he's staring me out...and i mean intensely staring me out, it struck me his hand was crap and he was just wondering if i had the ten...so im basically commiting to my read at this stage, most likely an 8 given how he calls the flop. He eventually dwell calls. When the river hits (Wrongly) im not too scared of the flush. Im fairly confident in the idea nobody on my table was loose enough to call the flop with nothing more than a backdoor, and if ive got him on the 8, he straight up can't have two hearts...that said his dwell-stare call made me feel a river bet gets called by worse almost all of the time given how active ive been...i thought the shove could put him off given that it was an effective all in for him (roughly the same starting stack)...the 8k was purely a value bet basically...

Now im probably the worst. And will likely get abused for this hand. But i had my reasoning behind it all...I just could not put him on the flush given how the hand went down, i didnt think he was that daft to call off on the flop. And i stand by the idea stronger hands on the flop would have made themselves aware...he had not demonstrated any way to be tricksy...

*Cowers in the corner*

IMO, there are several things wrong with this hand and also your reasoning behind it. If we base everything on your reasoning and break it down.
Firstly, you've been shown to be active (as quoted), so after 3 limpers being on the button this early in the comp and isolating with J10o is incorrect imo. Yes, antes are in etc. But in a Grand Prix, a £50 comp. Generally 90% of the time anyone who limps is calling a raise. So you end up just buillding a big pot pre with a marginal/dominated hand vs 3-4 players. Limpers in this comp, know people are gona call behind them and not reraise behind them as they want to see a flop. So I find it kind of hard to have three limpers before you both fold in this spot or get only one to call (especially if you have been active as quoted). If this is the case, the original imper expects you to raise anyway, so he is either trapping and gona reraise you, or call any raise as he is expecting you to. Then the chain of call, call, call takes effect.

Anyway, only one calls. So we see a 10 10 8 flop. Nearly 3k in the pot and we bet 1800. OK np. I prefer alot smaller, 1100-1400 something along them lines. He calls.
"im not putting him on 8's or a 10 because given how he's been playing they get stuck in my eye on the flop"
If is he is the sort of person to put it in your eye if he has it, why would he in this spot on this board? if he has 10X, 10 8, or 88. Why would he raise, allowing AK, AQ, KQs etc to fold easy? He would be holding the deck and just wouldn't raise.

We go to the 5h turn and our read is he doesn't have a monster cus he would raise us on the flop. So why bomb 3/4 pot? There's no 8h combos that allow him to continue to this bomb. We put him on marginal at this spot so against marginal, villian is pretty much drawing dead. So why again give him to chance to fold? If we go along to lines of your CBet, there's 6450 in the pot. Bet 2000-2500, even less. Then we are setting up funky spot where we can get funky on the river and have him guessing. We don't need to charge him to see river and hit his draw as we can't see how he has a draw! I would much rather you keep it small throughout on this dry board and take the extreme of a BOMB river. Betting small aswell, opens it up for opponent to raise us on the turn for alot smaller. If we bet, 2000. He can easily go 5000+ etc. Where as if we bet close to 5k. He can only jam and will only do so if he has a monster cus he is that sort.

3h river.

'Im fairly confident in the idea nobody on my table was loose enough to call the flop with nothing more than a backdoor, and if ive got him on the 8, he straight up can't have two hearts..'

Why would we bet 8k if we feel he only has an 8. IMO, all stages have allowed him to fold hands we can/should be getting value from. If we take the line of small, small, BOMB. Atleast we should be guaranteed 2 streets and him hopefully leveling himself on the river. With a bomb, bomb, bomb, (at this stage) he has a chance to fold each street. And as he is the sort (as quoted) to tell you he has a big hand, we are fairly certain we are winning, he doesnt have full house, doesnt have flush, doesnt have 10X and only has a pair of eights. So why scare him off?

And then he calls and shows ze-flush.

There are a few things that don't add up in my opinion. Firstly, why would he just call river? He has a flush so should stick it in your eye when he has a monster.

So really, what fullhouse combos that WE have play this way that make him just call?

OK.. 88, 55, 33, 108 etc. Really?!
Even X 10h. Yes suppose so, but would we really take this three street line vs this player?

So what is he scared of? Why would he call a flop bomb and turn bomb and to hit is backdoor to just call? If he is the sort that tells you he is strong, why would be "sigh, i got flush, call." We having him beat just doesn't make sense imo.


Couple of other things. And this isn't a witch hunt, I am just wanting to know facts thats all.

1) You posted on facebook we lost to runner runner 68o.  not 6h 4h.
On here this is your key hand (6h 4h) but your bust out hand was a standard JJ v A10 for 11 bigs?

So what relevance does the 86o play?

2) It is very likely, imo that we are the limper. The hands were reversed. We have J10o. Decide to peel an active player on the button and flop trips. So we don't raise flop, cus we should have his range crushed and trapping. He bombs turn as he has a flush draw and straight draw and wanting you to fold 99 8X, 77, 66 etc. We just call expecting him to bet river big. He hits river and bombs. We can't put him on a flush. Only call as there is no value in raising as no worse hand can call. That makes sense.

3) I am in no way a Hand History coach, Pleno, Tomsom or another sicko, so maybe completely incorrect about the whole hand. ;)




Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tommy Bingham on February 12, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
I agree with wotrthwchances. Assuming he's not on some level, I think the hand is fine.

I also think there are too many people that want to ridicule Peter, and dissect any hand he plays, then disguise it as trying to help.


I am in no way ridicule Pete, at all. I know he may have an opinion of what I have said to him on facebook messenger and shizz. But, I am one of the guys actually trying to tell him how it by being a blunt as possible (to help him out) and not in anyway to be nasty, be funny or insensitive to him.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 12, 2014, 01:52:29 PM
Oh the busto hand? JJ into A10 for about 11 bigs, shoved from middle position, ace on the turn...standard really

What was the 86 hand you were talking about on fb? I just assumed that was your exit hand?

Right disregard every edit ive done, my phone doesnt lie and after checking my notes page (should really have done this first) this hand history is entirely accurate, and my facebook post was rushed out/wrong...

Note to self: Quit jumping the fucking gun :\


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tommy Bingham on February 12, 2014, 01:59:36 PM
Oh the busto hand? JJ into A10 for about 11 bigs, shoved from middle position, ace on the turn...standard really

...apologies for that im basically retarded.

Completely lost it. :)
(http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv303/mwag2007/ONTD/2yvuq9j.gif)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 12, 2014, 02:01:41 PM
Oh the busto hand? JJ into A10 for about 11 bigs, shoved from middle position, ace on the turn...standard really

What was the 86 hand you were talking about on fb? I just assumed that was your exit hand?

Ah bollocks, just re-read that and ive got the hand history wrong, he had 8h 6h and the first flop card was the 4h.....apologies for that im basically retarded. Doesn't change anything in the scope of things though, need to proof read more
(EDIT: Actually that does mean a straight's hit....right now i really am the worst :\)

lol, np. Yeah doesn't specifically change the hands outcome. Floated, flush/straight draw, BINK.
I personally also would be interested in peoples opinion on my view of the hand history to see if I'm am thinking correctly also ;)

Read the re-edit, my facebook post is what's wrong...im a complete spack i swear xD


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 12, 2014, 02:05:12 PM
Oh the busto hand? JJ into A10 for about 11 bigs, shoved from middle position, ace on the turn...standard really

...apologies for that im basically retarded.

Completely lost it. :)
(http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv303/mwag2007/ONTD/2yvuq9j.gif)

LOL!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 12, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With  Jc Ts
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls

Pot: 2,850
Board  8h Td Tc

CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls

Pot: 6,450
Board  8h Td Tc ( 5h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls

Pot: 14,850
Board  8h Td Tc 5h ( 3h )

CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls

CO Shows  6h 4h wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows  Jc Ts loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens


DISCLAIMER

The thoughts and opinions expressed here are entirely my own unless otherwise stated, and they are aimed at being constructive and honest as much as is possible.

The hand as played

I agree with a lot of what Tommy said about how this is played. I actually probably would raise this pre, to a similar size, although I also don't mind overlimping. Either way, I like pre.

Flop, I definitely make this smaller. We have this board pretty locked down. We should expect to have the best hand here a lot of the time, and also expect the guy to have a pretty weak range on this board. I would like to give him as much of an opportunity as possible to continue, so I would bet like 1200. I sorta don't mind the logic of "if he's calling 1200, he's probably calling 1800" because tbh, he probably would with all his straight draws and pairs, so I guess I don't mind it on the flop.

On the turn, however, I feel like we have to bet small. By betting this big, we make it so so hard for anything to call. We want his straight draws to call, we want his bad pairs to call, and in my opinion by betting this big we are putting loads of pressure on his range, which we don't want to do. We want him to call. So, i bet like 2500 as played, or if ive bet the flop smaller id bet like 2000 here.

River, when he checks, as played again I bet smaller to try and get value from his still very weak range. Actually, if we bet smaller otf and ott, I bet relatively big, because I find bet small bet small bet bigger doesn't often get a lot of respect, and if he does happen to have a hand that he decides to bluff catch with, we still charge him. We also make it easier for him to have a hand that wants to bluff catch, because we've bet much smaller on the previous streets and allowed him to come along for the ride. So in this case I'd probably flick out a 5k chip with as much arrogance as I can muster. Again, though, as played, I think we've narrowed his range down to basically just an 8, or maybe 99. Either way, I think we still want him to call, and our line looks pretty darn strong. So I make it smaller relatively, betting like 6.5k. Your sizing leaves you with 4,550 behind, which is not great. Better to either get all of it in, or less. If we're so sure he's ahead and not folding, jam. Definitely something worth looking at, bet sizing relative to stack sizes is very important. Imo, less, in the early stages of this tournament.

I certainly don't think this hand is completely butchered, in that you chose to bet each street, which is definitely good, just in my opinion there's some work that could be done on bet sizing based on your opponents range, to consistently get max value.

Some Questions

I, again, sort of have to agree with Tommy. I don't think I have ever seen someone float with two unders and no draw on a paired board out of position before. Your sizing, and the amount you leave yourself with afterwards, does not strike me as something you would do. Contrary to Tommy, though, I think you were probably calling rather than raising. Maybe he raised, you called, he cbet the flop, you called, and he check called turn and river. I don't know. Either way, it seems strange to me. What seems particularly strange, however, is what you wrote on facebook. "That lasted 90 minutes...and a bad beat sends me out  Should be on around 45k atm, runner runner with 68o says i cant beat it" is the status just after you bust. Now, there is a big difference between 86o and 64hh, beyond a simple mistype. My memory, for one, is good enough to remember a hand history immediately after a bust out, and certainly would not improve in the space of time between the status and posting on blonde some time afterwards. There is also an implication that this was the bust out hand, and it again strikes me as odd that there is no mention of a JJ into A10 for 11 bbs, especially since you are known for being very good with tournament updates. Since we are in level 4 at the time of this bust out (100/200/25), and we had over 20bbs at the time of losing this hand, and we only lasted 90 minutes in the comp, we must have lost at least one hand within the space of an orbit to have that stack remaining. Did something happen involving pocket 4's in that time?

I would like to apologise, completely, if I'm wrong about this. But I think it's pretty undeniable that there are some discrepancies in the information provided, and I have done my best to back up what I've said with fact. I do feel that the questions raised have not yet been satisfactorily answered, and that as someone who is very heavily involved in staking, transparency about these things is very important. You are a nice guy, for sure, and an increasingly more well known member of the poker community. If anything, this is showing how important it is to watch what you say when you do become a little more public, a trap I've fallen into several times myself :p


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 12, 2014, 09:54:06 PM
I think the main issue that people have has been overlooked somewhat.  I could write an essay about it, but I’ll keep it simple.  Your staking activity has alarmed quite a large number of people.  You’re investors on FB or from wherever else think they’re getting a deal they’re not.  They are taken in by your ‘passion’ for the game and people want to give you some money thinking that they are making some kind of investment.  From what I’ve seen and heard from people, they are not.

There has been numerous suggestions that your HH and trip reports have not been up to scratch both in terms of detail or accuracy.  If this true, you have perfectly innocent people investing money in you based on something you have made up.  Nobody has a problem with your love for the game, or this diary, but on a personal level it bothers me that you have no money to play these games and are taking money from others.  Selling 90% of yourself for a tournament is, in my opinion, completely unacceptable.  

Having a dream is great, but having other people foot the bill for it is not.  There are people on here, some extremely capable and successful players, who have spent a lot of time writing out extremely long winded explanations for just about every aspect of the game and as far as I can see, you really don’t care.  You say you want to engage with the poker community, but all I’ve seen is you say “OK yes I get it now” but then just carry on as you were.  You show hardly any understanding at all about the game.  If you were a winning player, you wouldn’t be selling 90-100% of yourself to buy into £15 comps.

Just saying you’ve played 170 games and made some money doesn’t for one second mean that you’ve proven yourself.  It just shows a complete lack of respect for variance.  As an example, here’s a graph for my last 200 180man SNG's:

(http://s17.postimg.org/htwr6wwr3/theworstreg.jpg)

By this standard, I must literally be the worst reg going (and I’m sure that someone will be round shortly to confirm that).  I have seen nothing in this thread, or heard anything from anyone to suggest that you’re a winning player.  Selling 90%+ of yourself is just not the done thing in poker, if you can’t afford to buy in yourself (and I’m not talking about selling pieces for BRM purposes), then just don’t play.  I’m more than happy to have passionate people in the game, after all that’s what makes the game so great.  But having other hardworking people foot the bill for your gambling habits just isn’t right.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: redsimon on February 12, 2014, 09:58:23 PM
Can confirm tomsom87 is tez at 35 dollar mttsngs:)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 13, 2014, 09:21:25 AM
Can confirm tomsom87 is tez at 35 dollar mttsngs:)

he also needs staking to play a few $5 twisters.. there are some harsh truths in his post tho.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 14, 2014, 11:33:55 AM
jesus tomo! talk about kick a man when he's down! hope you sleep well at night...... were not all twister bosses ya know. ur such a jerk sumtimes ;hide; . i wear a cricket box now cos u keep kicking me in the nutts


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 14, 2014, 12:00:28 PM
jesus tomo! talk about kick a man when he's down! hope you sleep well at night...... were not all twister bosses ya know. ur such a jerk sumtimes ;hide; . i wear a cricket box now cos u keep kicking me in the nutts

Honestly Ross, I think Tom is just voicing an opinion held by a fair few people, which has developed as a result of these questions not being satisfactorily answered. While the post may be a little blunt, it's contents have been mentioned before and largely ignored. I agree with Tom, and will continue to do so until I have been shown otherwise.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 14, 2014, 12:06:13 PM
Yeah Matt I understand totally, Tomo's first lines when I met him was 'Ross your crap at poker' ( still says it now ) lol. And now were like buddies yay. I posted last night to Pete on Facebook, think he needs a break that's all just chill out and step back from this game, it can be crazy and I wouldn't want to see anyone upset from any of this banter, cos aside from how any of the posts read we do all care for the game and players in it :))))
Xxl anyone tonight!? It's singles night! Or if ur lucky enough to have a bird who's into poker, the perfect night out ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 14, 2014, 12:16:06 PM
I think it would be a good thing if pete came on here and replied to the posts that have been made.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 14, 2014, 12:35:48 PM
I think it would be a good thing if pete came on here and replied to the posts that have been made.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 14, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
I think it would be a good thing if pete came on here and replied to the posts that have been made.

ur right celtic


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 14, 2014, 02:58:10 PM
Yeah Matt I understand totally, Tomo's first lines when I met him was 'Ross your crap at poker' ( still says it now ) lol. And now were like buddies yay. I posted last night to Pete on Facebook, think he needs a break that's all just chill out and step back from this game, it can be crazy and I wouldn't want to see anyone upset from any of this banter, cos aside from how any of the posts read we do all care for the game and players in it :))))
Xxl anyone tonight!? It's singles night! Or if ur lucky enough to have a bird who's into poker, the perfect night out ;)

Just to clarify before the message gets lost, I do not have a problem with Peter playing or been involved in the poker community.  I do have a problem with falsely representing yourself as a profitable player in order to have people (who with all due respect have very little knowledge of the game) send you money for buy ins.  Peter should understand why the community disagrees with his actions, actually take some input on board for a change, address the situation as necessary and then I'm sure we can all move on from this.  If Peter had listened to the input he was given in the first instance I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have happened.

Ross, you're still crap at poker  :P


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: blueace on February 14, 2014, 04:52:09 PM
Yeah Matt I understand totally, Tomo's first lines when I met him was 'Ross your crap at poker' ( still says it now ) lol. And now were like buddies yay. I posted last night to Pete on Facebook, think he needs a break that's all just chill out and step back from this game, it can be crazy and I wouldn't want to see anyone upset from any of this banter, cos aside from how any of the posts read we do all care for the game and players in it :))))
Xxl anyone tonight!? It's singles night! Or if ur lucky enough to have a bird who's into poker, the perfect night out ;)

Just to clarify before the message gets lost, I do not have a problem with Peter playing or been involved in the poker community.  I do have a problem with falsely representing yourself as a profitable player in order to have people (who with all due respect have very little knowledge of the game) send you money for buy ins.  Peter should understand why the community disagrees with his actions, actually take some input on board for a change, address the situation as necessary and then I'm sure we can all move on from this.  If Peter had listened to the input he was given in the first instance I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have happened.

Ross, you're still crap at poker  :P
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Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 14, 2014, 06:16:33 PM
Right, I was going to wait until this had died down but seeing as, as shitstorms go, this one even a weatherman would be worried about, I'm going to grab my coat and weather it for all its worth. I want to make clear right now that I will be addressing the disparity with the hands posted/mentioned and will be addressing this replies to the backers only.

All I can do is apologise profusely for what has been a genuine mistake. As much as people will (and have) want to scream down my throat stating that "those kind of mistakes don't happen" they do. And they have. The point is that the hand I posted for analysis on this blog was CORRECT, it was the Facebook response having been made in a huff and in a rush that was wrong. The only reason I know this to be certain is the note on my phone which actually gave me the ability to give those bet sizes. The simple fact is I actually cannot remember much of any exit hands, its only in the last four years I write key ones down. And I can hear the vultures in the back now going "well you shouldn't post until later on then" yes. I get it. I fucked up. I'm sorry....it's all I can say really.

Secondly, and again it's a show of my awful memory...I fucked the bust out hand up because, and I remember this clearly...when the JJ/A10 hand happened it was (as has been mentioned) Inbetween the pocket fours hand that was my bust out and it stuck in my memory more for the line "yeah this always fucking happens to me I swear to god". And as such it's stuck with me as the bust out. Again, wrong, again, stupid. Can't really do much about it, all I can do is apologise for it.

I want this made as clear as crystal. My hands up until this have been completely blemish free, in four years of doing updates (which, as has been mentioned, is something I've been very good at in times past) I never made one slip up. I know there will be some cynics that want to say "well because of this hand..." And the simple fact is I can't stop people thinking that. If you don't want to take my word then fair enough. I understand at the moment my word is worth close to nothing anyway.

I don't want to be seen as the guy who's grim to trust. Integrity is the highest and probably main quality I've ever had. It had neve been questioned. Simple as that. The fact I've done this is not something I'm proud of, not even slightly. And I don't want to be seen as that guy...

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In regards to everything else. I'm about 80% likely to be closing the blog off. I want to clear my name with something that makes me out to be a liar, and SOME advice that has been received on here has been great, trust me on that. But I created this for it to be fun primarily. And regardless what anyone wants to say. It simply is not fun for me anymore...and that renders almost all of it useless...I MAY decide to come back, maybe, but for the time being I most certainly need a break from this...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 14, 2014, 06:52:03 PM
I think it would be a good thing if pete came on here and replied to the posts that have been made.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 14, 2014, 07:32:11 PM
I think it would be a good thing if pete came on here and replied to the posts that have been made.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 15, 2014, 12:55:42 AM
I want to make clear right now that I will be addressing the disparity with the hands posted/mentioned and will be addressing this replies to the backers only.

Before I start let me make it clear that I had 33% of the Grand Prix stake (ask Eso for confirmation), so I feel privileged to be in a position where I can have my questions answered.

This issue has just got way too far out of hand, but let it be clear that it is YOU that allowed yourself to get into this position.  There have been many good points in this thread recently by myself and others that you have failed to address.  Many attempts have been made to try and help you whilst going easy on some of the mistakes that you have been making.  

I was paying serious attention to it as i didn't want to miss the opportunity, so there's a lot of details on the players. Again wish i could have done better for us :(

Oh the busto hand? JJ into A10 for about 11 bigs, shoved from middle position, ace on the turn...standard really

So to get over this silly business with the GP.  You were paying serious attention so you didn't miss anything, then over the course of several days fail to get the bust out hand in this thread and only at the point of someone calling you out do you manage this:

Secondly, and again it's a show of my awful memory...I fucked the bust out hand up because, and I remember this clearly...when the JJ/A10 hand happened it was (as has been mentioned) Inbetween the pocket fours hand that was my bust out and it stuck in my memory more for the line "yeah this always fucking happens to me I swear to god". And as such it's stuck with me as the bust out. Again, wrong, again, stupid. Can't really do much about it, all I can do is apologise for it.

Apart from this been close to incomprehensible, I can make out the phrase “the pocket fours that was my bust out”, but I still don't really have any details.  Also you couldn't remember it at the weekend but you remember it now?  To be honest I'm not really that bothered that you went on tilt, it was £20, I've dealt with it.  There are some more pressing concerns I have though.  I know you have been keen to avoid this topic, but selling 90-100% of yourself is literally the most stupid thing I've ever heard of.  Pleno took a long time explaining to you how to calculate your hourly a while, I read it, and it was very informative.  If I may be so bold, I would like to quote you from earlier:

“Tempted to sell the next fifty events so that I sell all 100% and keep nothing...really fucking tempted”

I'm sure backers will be willing to throw their money at you but let's just take a step back and think of this from your point of view.  Out of spite, you're willing to play poker for a year for no potential return?  Seems like a smart move.  I mean, at least you can't lose your own money.  Just waste your own time and the money of hard working people.  Of course, you have a spreadsheet for 150 live games that PROVES you're a winning player, assuming that the spreadsheet is more accurate than your HH reports.  We must also take into account the largest sample of games we have available:

(http://s9.postimg.org/58iyhylsf/ICESHADE.jpg)

Peter Thorpe (PokerStars)  1,319   -$1.91   $5.31   -16.9%   -$2,523   52  

I'm assuming your regular investors have seen this graph of your online results?

Running away from this will not provide you with a solution, and if you had just been honest with people from the start, instead of throwing your toys out the pram like an infant, this could have been sorted out in a few posts and would have gone no further.  I fail to believe that you genuinely believe that you're the victim in all of this.  I have never felt the need in my entire life to call someone out like this, but your actions are completely unacceptable.  I can accept that people mistakes, whatever, shit happens.  But you have lied time and time again but this time have been caught out.  You said that you have never lied to anyone about HH’s with regards to staking, so maybe you just got unlucky and the first time you made a mistake you got found out.

What was the busto hand, if you don't mind me asking?

This question posted 4 days ago wasn't a happy accident.  I really wished you could have just owned up to it in the first instance.  I'm sorry if this post feels like it has been harsh, but people have tried in several different ways to get through to you and you have just outright ignored them in some cases.  Blondes would love to see improve and make a real go of been a professional, myself included, but whilst you continue to operate like this you will not gain any respect from other members of the community.

Further, when it comes to needing staking as professional, you are going to need a lot of money and a lot of understanding.  You will only get that kind of support from the poker community I urge you address these issues before anything is damaged beyond repair.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: George2Loose on February 15, 2014, 01:54:25 AM
I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 15, 2014, 03:40:58 AM
I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.

I really wanted to stay out of this but feel now I should say something.

I have been and still am one of Peters stakers. I met him when I was playing an Apat game at DTD which ended with us heads up. I saw in him a passion for poker that I had lost and wanted to encourage him as a young player.

I was under no illusions that he was a pro, in fact the completely the opposite. I knew he was a student with little money, no time to play sats but with a desire to play live. He also admitted that he was crap online so preferred to go along the staking route.

Yes he does it differently from conventional staking and I have also explained to him that he needs to build a bankroll and invest more himself but as he said he doesnt have the time and just wants to play for the love of the game.

Whos to say this is wrong?

Im sure if he becomes a more profitable player then his approach will change but for now I dont see any harm in what he is doing. His stakers are taking a gamble on him but isnt that the same with all stakings? I have staked players in the past with much better stats but so far Peter has been the most profitable.

His main crime here seems to be that he has reported his HH wrong?

Does it really matter?

If I stake a player I am not looking to analise the HH, yes its nice to be kept informed and fun to rail but that player is in the comp to win isnt he? If he loses enough times I wont stake anymore...simplez.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 15, 2014, 03:50:41 AM
I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.

I really wanted to stay out of this but feel now I should say something.

I have been and still am one of Peters stakers. I met him when I was playing an Apat game at DTD which ended with us heads up. I saw in him a passion for poker that I had lost and wanted to encourage him as a young player.

I was under no illusions that he was a pro, in fact the completely the opposite. I knew he was a student with little money, no time to play sats but with a desire to play live. He also admitted that he was crap online so preferred to go along the staking route.

Yes he does it differently from conventional staking and I have also explained to him that he needs to build a bankroll and invest more himself but as he said he doesnt have the time and just wants to play for the love of the game.

Whos to say this is wrong?

Im sure if he becomes a more profitable player then his approach will change but for now I dont see any harm in what he is doing. His stakers are taking a gamble on him but isnt that the same with all stakings? I have staked players in the past with much better stats but so far Peter has been the most profitable.

His main crime here seems to be that he has reported his HH wrong?

Does it really matter?

If I stake a player I am not looking to analise the HH, yes its nice to be kept informed and fun to rail but that player is in the comp to win isnt he? If he loses enough times I wont stake anymore...simplez.

Because a bunch of people who stake him aren't involved in poker and believe he's a winning player thus a good investment when in reality this is not true (this is the argument not what I think I have no idea) and thus people are saying that it is unfair on the people who don't know any better who are putting up their hard earned rather than people like tomsom who are way too rich to care about losing 20 quid


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 15, 2014, 04:02:07 AM
I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.

I really wanted to stay out of this but feel now I should say something.

I have been and still am one of Peters stakers. I met him when I was playing an Apat game at DTD which ended with us heads up. I saw in him a passion for poker that I had lost and wanted to encourage him as a young player.

I was under no illusions that he was a pro, in fact the completely the opposite. I knew he was a student with little money, no time to play sats but with a desire to play live. He also admitted that he was crap online so preferred to go along the staking route.

Yes he does it differently from conventional staking and I have also explained to him that he needs to build a bankroll and invest more himself but as he said he doesnt have the time and just wants to play for the love of the game.

Whos to say this is wrong?

Im sure if he becomes a more profitable player then his approach will change but for now I dont see any harm in what he is doing. His stakers are taking a gamble on him but isnt that the same with all stakings? I have staked players in the past with much better stats but so far Peter has been the most profitable.

His main crime here seems to be that he has reported his HH wrong?

Does it really matter?

If I stake a player I am not looking to analise the HH, yes its nice to be kept informed and fun to rail but that player is in the comp to win isnt he? If he loses enough times I wont stake anymore...simplez.

Because a bunch of people who stake him aren't involved in poker and believe he's a winning player thus a good investment when in reality this is not true (this is the argument not what I think I have no idea) and thus people are saying that it is unfair on the people who don't know any better who are putting up their hard earned rather than people like tomsom who are way too rich to care about losing 20 quid

To some of us who invested at the right time he IS a winning player. To those that invested who are not poker players...isnt it like taking a punt on the Grand National? I do it every year with no idea about horse racing but if its won before it might again? I only bet a few quid for fun and nothing I cant afford to lose. Im sure thats the same for anyone whos invested in Peter ;)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on February 15, 2014, 04:17:38 AM
Seems that there's been a culture clash of investors here, maybe that explains the confusion.

1 group where they're doing it for the sweat, helping out a nice guy with the chance if a profit.

And the new blonde group where things are a bit more serious and expect a more professional approach.

Think that some of the allegations and assumptions have gone over the line, and equally Peter hasn't done himself any favours by the lateness of replies/skipping questions.

Would urge both sides to try and clear this up ASAP. Not the first not the last time stuff on blonde has got heated over staking money; also to Peter don't feel that this is the end of Blonde/blogging. Can think of a few people who have come back from far worse. We all make mistakes, it's how you come back from them that's important.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 15, 2014, 04:28:10 AM
Seems that there's been a culture clash of investors here, maybe that explains the confusion.

1 group where they're doing it for the sweat, helping out a nice guy with the chance if a profit.

And the new blonde group where things are a bit more serious and expect a more professional approach.

Think that some of the allegations and assumptions have gone over the line, and equally Peter hasn't done himself any favours by the lateness of replies/skipping questions.

Would urge both sides to try and clear this up ASAP. Not the first not the last time stuff on blonde has got heated over staking money; also to Peter don't feel that this is the end of Blonde/blogging. Can think of a few people who have come back from far worse. We all make mistakes, it's how you come back from them that's important.

Spot on


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 15, 2014, 04:28:18 AM
I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.

I really wanted to stay out of this but feel now I should say something.

I have been and still am one of Peters stakers. I met him when I was playing an Apat game at DTD which ended with us heads up. I saw in him a passion for poker that I had lost and wanted to encourage him as a young player.

I was under no illusions that he was a pro, in fact the completely the opposite. I knew he was a student with little money, no time to play sats but with a desire to play live. He also admitted that he was crap online so preferred to go along the staking route.

Yes he does it differently from conventional staking and I have also explained to him that he needs to build a bankroll and invest more himself but as he said he doesnt have the time and just wants to play for the love of the game.

Whos to say this is wrong?

Im sure if he becomes a more profitable player then his approach will change but for now I dont see any harm in what he is doing. His stakers are taking a gamble on him but isnt that the same with all stakings? I have staked players in the past with much better stats but so far Peter has been the most profitable.

His main crime here seems to be that he has reported his HH wrong?

Does it really matter?

If I stake a player I am not looking to analise the HH, yes its nice to be kept informed and fun to rail but that player is in the comp to win isnt he? If he loses enough times I wont stake anymore...simplez.

Because a bunch of people who stake him aren't involved in poker and believe he's a winning player thus a good investment when in reality this is not true (this is the argument not what I think I have no idea) and thus people are saying that it is unfair on the people who don't know any better who are putting up their hard earned rather than people like tomsom who are way too rich to care about losing 20 quid

To some of us who invested at the right time he IS a winning player. To those that invested who are not poker players...isnt it like taking a punt on the Grand National? I do it every year with no idea about horse racing but if its won before it might again? I only bet a few quid for fun and nothing I cant afford to lose. Im sure thats the same for anyone whos invested in Peter ;)

The prosecutors (whom I must stress I am not involved in) argue that Peter portrays himself as a winning player and that he is a very good investment. The fact that he either lied or forgotten about a hand that he alter remembered meant that they assumed he keeps the bad plays potentially quiet and shouts to the rooftops when he is unlucky thus investors thinking he is more than often hard done by and thus could even earn future stakings.

Again I must stress I'm just explaining their side rather than agreeing, disagreeing or even caring to a degree about it (ive never met the guy)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: WotRTheChances on February 15, 2014, 04:30:52 AM
Yeah not sure exactly what's going on tbh, from what i've read i've picked up:

1. HHs from GP were inaccurate/not in correct order

From what i've seen here you have been pretty wishy-washy about which hands have happened, how you bust, when various hands happened etc. It's not very common for people to go into massive detail about every major hand they play in a tournament, so this doesn't seem like a massive deal to me. However, if I were going to recall how I bust any given live comp (within a day or so) i'd be able to remember which I bust on and maybe 1 or 2 other big hands (probably not entirely accurately). To say you bust JJ v AT and it transpire you didn't does seem like you probably told a white lie because you were a bit embarrassed about your actual exit. No biggie and pretty common, but still silly and pointless.

2. Accusations have been made that you've lied about hands entirely... maybe falsifying who was who in HHs

I'm not really sure on what basis these are being made? From purely what's on here it sounds like people are guessing based on the JT vs 64hh hand looking a bit strange (the guy calling on TdTc8h and just calling when he backdoors a flush). Yeah it seems strange, but i've seen plenty weirder lines taken by opponents. Certainly not enough there for me to say you've made it up... but maybe people have evidence they've not really covered?

3. There seems to be mention of some 44 hand that you lost, which sounds like an issue with people... but haven't seen details of it anywhere

We're not FB friends and it's not been covered here, just people asking about it, so no idea what's happened here?

4. Also people saying you mentioned an 86 hand on FB, which hasn't been detailed by you ITT

Same as 3.

5. People being unhappy about you selling such high %s of yourself and mention of you claiming false results/lying to your backers

Don't think this really matters. Yeah it's pretty absurd and no-one is really going to make any meaningful amount of money from it the way you've been proceeding, but it's not my place to say it wrong. If you're happy with it and your backers are, then I don't see the harm (assuming everything is done legitimately and honestly). Not sure why people are saying you've claimed to be some sort of massively winning player, i've not really seen that. Provided you've not lied to your backers about your results then it's up to them if they want to stake you.

Overall it seems like people are being pretty harsh on you (unless there is a bunch of other stuff off-forum which I haven't seen), but it also seems like you've handled yourself and the criticism v.poorly. Going off the rails and saying you're going to play a load of comps with 0% of yourself and quitting the diary aren't going to help you or anyone else at all. Think you should finally clear up points 1-4, make it clear what happened, what didn't happen. You seem to have focused all of your apologies and explanations on just a couple of hands mentioned (the hand vs 64hh, which you've clearly said is accurate... and clearing up that JJ v AT wasn't you're exit). Just clear up the other couple of hands and where they fit in and I don't see what anyone can be too upset about.

You seem to be victim of being way too obsessive about writing down every hand you're involved in and also being a bit economical with the truth (probably not wanting to look bad).... not the end of the world, but don't do it.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 15, 2014, 12:05:19 PM
I feel like I need to address these points, and I want to start with Pete himself. As I have said on Facebook in public and private, there are no haters. I was actually pretty insulted by one of his longer status' where people "sticking the knife in", and that you now don't care about the situation. You also say that you are willing to "say it to the face of whoever [you] need to" as well, which you are being encouraged to do on here, and are not doing. This attitude is a huge part of the problem. It seems like every time someone makes a comment about some changes they feel would be beneficial to you, you view them as haters and trolls and instantly see yourself as a victim. This is categorically not the case. You have spent a lot of time talking about your passion for the game, and your desire to win at it. Winning at poker does not happen because you want it to, or because you feel entitled to win. The game doesn't owe you anything.

The people that have tried to give you advice, which you have completely dismissed, are doing so because they believe you want to succeed, and they know that the way you are currently going about it will make it difficult for you to do so. Saying that you "will deliver that passion how I WANT TO, I will operate myself how I WANT TO" shows a complete disregard for these people. They know how to win at this game in the long run, please use their experience. I feel particularly strongly about this point because I recently bust my live poker bankroll, and I wish now that I'd listened to these people before that had happened. I'm now facing a very long grind to get back to the point I want to be at, and this rebuilding period would not have been anywhere near as long if I'd listened to the people around me. You do not have your own bankroll to lose, you have other people's. I don't particularly like this, but I won't try and stop you from doing it, because if people want to stake you for that amount then it is their money, and that is entirely your decision. As Pleno and Tomsom have stated, the way you are going about this is not conducive to building a bankroll, and you will always end up returning to stakers to sell huge portions of yourself, but I'm not going to spend time telling you this, because far better people have already gone into great detail about it.

Now, the hand histories themselves - In my opinion, it is very important to be honest with these. People gloss over events that they aren't proud of, fair enough. But to flat out lie about things which have happened is very serious and represents a false investment. People are of course able to stake you regardless of whether they think you're a winning player, and I'm more than happy to see people staking you on the basis of your passion for the game. However, there are DEFINITELY people that have staked you on the basis of it being value for their money, and the whole premise of staking is that the backers know exactly who they are staking. By falsely advertising your ability as a player, you are abusing that trust, and that is why this is so important. I will come straight out and tell you that you were playing with a friend of mine, who lurks on blonde and knew of you and your diary when you sat down. As I result, I am not wildly accusing Pete of anything. I was attempting to give him a way of coming clean, but it is clear from Facebook and from his reply earlier on here that he has no intention of doing so, which again I think is very serious, and something that potential backers have a right to know about. Again, of course, they can still back him for other reasons. But those that back him under the guise of him being a profitable player, and how unlucky he is getting in the tournaments he plays, are being presented with information that is not accurate. I also have reason to believe that this is not the first time you have misrepresented hands that you have played. I believe it is very important to be as honest as you can be, and if you do have no desire to be "criticised" on hand histories and thereby improve as a player, then that is your prerogative. But people putting up their own money to stake you have a right to know what they are investing in.

I can't speak for anyone else I guess, but I don't believe this is a witch hunt. I believe it is a series of questions that are being asked of you that you need to answer, and the tone of some of the posts on here is born out of a frustration with your lack of responsiveness. Frankly, I've found some of the things put up on Facebook pretty disrespectful and borderline insulting, as I'm sure some of the others who have seen them have too. I like you Pete, we've spoken a fair bit and we've played a bit too. I want to see you succeed, I want you to realise this "lifelong dream" that is the very title of this blog. But this is going too far, and the fact that you seem unwilling to answer what is being said here suggests that you don't have an answer. I implore you to listen to the advice you are being given, because it will dramatically improve your chances of realising this dream. I also implore you to respond, properly, to what has been said here, and stop seeing yourself as a victim, and as someone being bullied, abused and trolled. You are none of these things, and I would be very surprised if you didn't know it.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tommy Bingham on February 15, 2014, 02:31:35 PM

To some of us who invested at the right time he IS a winning player. To those that invested who are not poker players...isnt it like taking a punt on the Grand National? I do it every year with no idea about horse racing but if its won before it might again?


I totally understand. But...
Its like backing a horse at 20-1 based on information available to you. Everything looks good. But, after information has been collected from your friends in the industry, the real odds are actually 300-1. Regardless of amount, would you still accept the 20-1 odds cus it is a bit of fun or do you want a refund?

With the Grand National aswel, you can watch every moment. Rewind it, zoom in etc. but poker staking is reliant on trust and especially when someone doesnt understand about poker. We can't physically watch every hand.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: jakally on February 15, 2014, 03:02:26 PM
Keep it in perspective boys.
You're whacking into someone who may have misreported a hand history, and who may be slightly less competent than he thinks.

There are lots of examples of people doing extremely dishonest stuff in poker, and I don't remember any of you spending so much time and energy on those.

Feels like you've found an easy target, and are making the most of it.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 15, 2014, 03:09:59 PM
Keep it in perspective boys.
You're whacking into someone who may have misreported a hand history, and who may be slightly less competent than he thinks.

There are lots of examples of people doing extremely dishonest stuff in poker, and I don't remember any of you spending so much time and energy on those.

Feels like you've found an easy target, and are making the most of it.

As I stated in my last post, I'm afraid I know someone who was playing with Pete at the table, there is no "may" about that I'm afraid. I have, in fact, been as careful as possible to make sure what I have said is backed up and not simple rumour. I'm pretty sure people that have been outed/shown as being dishonest have been given a pretty rough time of it, and have had to justify themselves on this forum and resolve the matter. The reason this has got to the stage it has is because there have not been satisfactory answers given. There is no "target" here, and if anyone would like me to justify further anything that I have said, either on here or in private, I am completely willing to do so, as I'm sure are any of the others who have posted.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 15, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
Right then. I'm pretty much bracing myself for this...I'm taking this from the very professional approach that seems to be required on this site. But I'll state right now that this is likely to be my last post on the matter. I'm going to make this as detailed as possible, there's alot of issues raised. And i hope to be able to quote and answer them all...You may not like these answers, but everything you see here is being proof read by myself an hour after i've wrote it. So the simple fact is you'll have to take what's said here as my definitive answer. Bad or good. So much so that there’s so many characters this has to be, amazingly enough in two posts! Apparently 20,000 is the limit. Who’d have thought it?

I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.

Just....this. I'm not bothered what others want to think. It straight up does feel like this now. I'm more happy people have gone past veiling this as "help and advice"...cause that died about three pages back.

I was under no illusions that he was a pro, in fact the completely the opposite. I knew he was a student with little money, no time to play sats but with a desire to play live. He also admitted that he was crap online so preferred to go along the staking route.

Yes he does it differently from conventional staking and I have also explained to him that he needs to build a bankroll and invest more himself but as he said he doesnt have the time and just wants to play for the love of the game.

Whos to say this is wrong?

Im sure if he becomes a more profitable player then his approach will change but for now I dont see any harm in what he is doing. His stakers are taking a gamble on him but isnt that the same with all stakings? I have staked players in the past with much better stats but so far Peter has been the most profitable.

This pretty much sums up my entire two days worth of frustration. But in a far more calm and collected way. It needs to be made VERY VERY VERY clear when i started this blog the question of selling myself for ultra low amounts was asked. And answered to the best of my ability. What i've seen is seventeen pages of flogging a dead horse that frankly i find insulting.

I made my stance beyond clear on this one. I'm aware im breaking the mould completely and challenging the standard of how to operate. But i'm happy. Clearly the backers are happy otherwise i'd be struggling to get anything. So nobody has the right to tell me how to operate my affairs. If i want to play comps for 10% then just accept it. I frankly don't care for your morals. What i do gives me a chance i would otherwise never get, not to mention the chance to give others a chance of winning more for very little.

There has been talk im only in this for myself and if you want to be a cynic about it then you are probably right. But to think i'm using their hard earned money entirely for my own selfish gains is insulting and fucking annoying. There is nothing malicious (regardless of what you want to believe) behind anything i do. I've been called naive alot, and i'd go along with that perfectly fine. But to be effectively accusing me of doing this for my own gain and nothing else is just going to prompt the reactions it has. Anger and frustration...

It's true, everyone starts from somewhere. And if i become a more profitable player then i will use everything in my power to assemble a bankroll. There's no rule saying you have to start from a certian height on that ladder....if i want to start so low i havent even climbed it. Then i have every right to do so...

Seems that there's been a culture clash of investors here, maybe that explains the confusion.

1 group where they're doing it for the sweat, helping out a nice guy with the chance if a profit.

And the new blonde group where things are a bit more serious and expect a more professional approach.

Think that some of the allegations and assumptions have gone over the line, and equally Peter hasn't done himself any favours by the lateness of replies/skipping questions.

Would urge both sides to try and clear this up ASAP. Not the first not the last time stuff on blonde has got heated over staking money; also to Peter don't feel that this is the end of Blonde/blogging. Can think of a few people who have come back from far worse. We all make mistakes, it's how you come back from them that's important.

Thanks mate, probably the best description of the situation ive seen. It gets explained in private to me purely because of the questions i get asked. Simple fact is i operate more on the friendship style of "taking a punt on the belief we can make it work". I have no intention of changing that.

The whole thing has gone over the line. Regardless what crap will get posted past this stating otherwise, its not help anymore. And yes i agree i haven't helped myself and i appologise for that. But think of it this way...it's that very passion and drive that started this blog in the first place that lead to the anger and frustration...I can't help the way i am. If you want someone who's going to showcase 100% of the qualities you want, find someone else. I am my own person, determined to change the parts of my life i deem inadequate. Not what you deem inadequate.

Hopefully this is a good comeback, you tell me ;)


The prosecutors (whom I must stress I am not involved in) argue that Peter portrays himself as a winning player and that he is a very good investment. The fact that he either lied or forgotten about a hand that he alter remembered meant that they assumed he keeps the bad plays potentially quiet and shouts to the rooftops when he is unlucky thus investors thinking he is more than often hard done by and thus could even earn future stakings.

Again I must stress I'm just explaining their side rather than agreeing, disagreeing or even caring to a degree about it (ive never met the guy)

First off i know you are on the fence/not bothered. I appreciate that completely. None of this is towards you pleno. In fact you've been one of the few people that has offered the kind of advice ive asked for. Not what was felt had to be said.

This is the one that's the big one. What i say next is the whole truth in my eyes. What you take from it is your own decision. But i will answer to this once and only once. And im regarding live here. I'll touch on the online thing in a second.

I have NEVER gone about selling my shares and events under the pretense that i was a winning player and that people were odds on to win. It was ALWAYS about the drive, the desire, and the gut feeling that something good was going to happen. It has been mentioned about the fact ive used lines such as "i went deep in this before". And this was in the context of that it COULD happen again, not that it WOULD happen again. During messages with those that have backed me when mention has been given to my past record all information has been given. the 90% miss rate being the key one for that. I've never portrayed myself to being anything more than what i am.

You have to see it from the perspective ive ran. No information has ever been hidden. No disadvantages to backing me have been swept under the rug. Many times those that do back me have asked to see results, have asked about true winnings and figures. Every time they've asked they've been told. And believe me i've lost alot of people to the idea "so you miss 9 times out of 10". But you all seem to be of the idea i should be starting all of my sales pitches with "remember i only cash 10% of the time". If that's the case you guys are the shittest salesman ive ever come across. It's all about long term and yes, while you sit there screaming down my throat that 170ish isn't enough of a sample size, it's all we have in the live realm. So it's what im going to work with. Don't like that? Not my problem, others seem to be fine with it.


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Right, that online graph. I have never seen that until it was posted a few days ago....I want you to get past ego's and beliefs for two seconds and take that in....I had NOT seen THAT graph ever. I may have seen something from sharkscope (which ive been told that is from) in years past...but we'd be talking at least two years, and it most certainly would have looked different.

1. Nobody, strangely enough, has ever asked for online results. Low and behold when i asked for live backing people only wanted those. And it had never crossed my mind about the online ones. It actually hadn't. So in answer to your question no, my backers hadn't seen that as much as i hadn't. Fucking shoot me for it.

2. That graph serves off the last five years. Three and a half of which i had student loans and no clue how online worked. It does NOT serve to be a true representation of how i play today. I'm aware "but thats what we have to go off" well it's not...there are other results but if you are going to take online as gospel then there's bugger all i can do.

3. Online is different to live. In so many ways it begs belief. Feel and judgement are fucking HUGE live, online is pure mechanics. So (And ill bring my gaming background into this) my feel for the game is good but my mechanics are lacking somewhat if you take that graph as the be-all-and-end-all. That's not me lying about information. That's me both not remembering and never being asked...But i'll tell you now, had someone ever asked, had i ever seen that. I'd have had no issue in stating that it was old, outdated and not a true representation. That's not shady, it's a bloody fact.

In regards to keeping bad plays quiet. Wrong. As has been mentioned before, i have gone out of my way to mention all the hands i could. In fact (and ironically enough) had i mentioned i could not remember my bustout hand, and only remembered that key hand that crippled me. This pretty much never escalates to the state it has. I tried to be more accommodating than i had to effectively. And it's ended up with egg on my face. Not stating im in the right by any stretch. But it is food for thought...

Yeah not sure exactly what's going on tbh, from what i've read i've picked up:

1. HHs from GP were inaccurate/not in correct order

From what i've seen here you have been pretty wishy-washy about which hands have happened, how you bust, when various hands happened etc. It's not very common for people to go into massive detail about every major hand they play in a tournament, so this doesn't seem like a massive deal to me. However, if I were going to recall how I bust any given live comp (within a day or so) i'd be able to remember which I bust on and maybe 1 or 2 other big hands (probably not entirely accurately). To say you bust JJ v AT and it transpire you didn't does seem like you probably told a white lie because you were a bit embarrassed about your actual exit. No biggie and pretty common, but still silly and pointless.


Hold my hands up to this one. I've tried to go into some kind of criminal amount of details since starting this blog as i felt you guys needed infinite information to give a true analysis. As for the memory thing it pains me to say but my memory simply is not that good. Writing stuff down is what gets me through. I wrote down the main hand, but not the bustout, so i took a swing off pure memory...and effectively guesswork. Alone. Yes completely wrong and i apologize for it, but at the time i thought stating "i cant remember anything past that hand" was going to get me negative press....LOL, cause this route has been any better!!! In closing it wasnt intended as a white lie at all, was just me in a rush trying to appease peoples questions. I've only ever wanted to be seen in a good light, it's backfired, and for that i am truly sorry.


2. Accusations have been made that you've lied about hands entirely... maybe falsifying who was who in HHs

I'm not really sure on what basis these are being made? From purely what's on here it sounds like people are guessing based on the JT vs 64hh hand looking a bit strange (the guy calling on TdTc8h and just calling when he backdoors a flush). Yeah it seems strange, but i've seen plenty weirder lines taken by opponents. Certainly not enough there for me to say you've made it up... but maybe people have evidence they've not really covered?


This one is straight up wrong and i have clarified this one. The hand on this blog is accurate, the facebook post that was made was inaccurate. Simple typing and rushing error. I agree the hand looks weird, i thought the same afterwards. But what happened happened. I assure you (im aware at this stage my assurance is worth nothing, but oh well)


3. There seems to be mention of some 44 hand that you lost, which sounds like an issue with people... but haven't seen details of it anywhere

We're not FB friends and it's not been covered here, just people asking about it, so no idea what's happened here?


This is going to please nobody. But the simple truth is i don't remember this hand AT ALL. I've been told it was me shoving 4's into 8's on a 10 high board (which i can only assume was me not believing he had anything). But the fact is i haven't a clue on this one. If its true and i made a misplay mistake then fair enough. But i cant put my hands up to something im not even sure on myself.


4. Also people saying you mentioned an 86 hand on FB, which hasn't been detailed by you ITT

Same as 3.


Same as point 2 for me. Think it covers the situation.

Overall it seems like people are being pretty harsh on you (unless there is a bunch of other stuff off-forum which I haven't seen), but it also seems like you've handled yourself and the criticism v.poorly. Going off the rails and saying you're going to play a load of comps with 0% of yourself and quitting the diary aren't going to help you or anyone else at all. Think you should finally clear up points 1-4, make it clear what happened, what didn't happen. You seem to have focused all of your apologies and explanations on just a couple of hands mentioned (the hand vs 64hh, which you've clearly said is accurate... and clearing up that JJ v AT wasn't you're exit). Just clear up the other couple of hands and where they fit in and I don't see what anyone can be too upset about.

You seem to be victim of being way too obsessive about writing down every hand you're involved in and also being a bit economical with the truth (probably not wanting to look bad).... not the end of the world, but don't do it.

It does feel that way yes. Totally agree this was far too heavy handed. But i have been told the poker world is largely forgiving....i hope so, otherwise ive wasted my breath doing this. I have handled it poorly and that was out of frustration for knowing that whatever i said was going to get shouted down (its been proven somewhat). Hopefully these last few points have cleared up enough for people to at least simmer down (yeah i know the 4's one i simply cant clear up, i apologize, i don't have the memories you guys clearly do/expect of me, when i wrote down key hands i think i should include all bustouts as well)

The truth hasnt been stretched with malicious intent i want to make that plain and clear. When ive stated hands its what i believed to be right at the time. All that's needed to happen was clarification, not this shitshow.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 15, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
I feel like I need to address these points, and I want to start with Pete himself. As I have said on Facebook in public and private, there are no haters. I was actually pretty insulted by one of his longer status' where people "sticking the knife in", and that you now don't care about the situation. You also say that you are willing to "say it to the face of whoever [you] need to" as well, which you are being encouraged to do on here, and are not doing. This attitude is a huge part of the problem. It seems like every time someone makes a comment about some changes they feel would be beneficial to you, you view them as haters and trolls and instantly see yourself as a victim. This is categorically not the case. You have spent a lot of time talking about your passion for the game, and your desire to win at it. Winning at poker does not happen because you want it to, or because you feel entitled to win. The game doesn't owe you anything.

The people that have tried to give you advice, which you have completely dismissed, are doing so because they believe you want to succeed, and they know that the way you are currently going about it will make it difficult for you to do so. Saying that you "will deliver that passion how I WANT TO, I will operate myself how I WANT TO" shows a complete disregard for these people. They know how to win at this game in the long run, please use their experience. I feel particularly strongly about this point because I recently bust my live poker bankroll, and I wish now that I'd listened to these people before that had happened. I'm now facing a very long grind to get back to the point I want to be at, and this rebuilding period would not have been anywhere near as long if I'd listened to the people around me. You do not have your own bankroll to lose, you have other people's. I don't particularly like this, but I won't try and stop you from doing it, because if people want to stake you for that amount then it is their money, and that is entirely your decision. As Pleno and Tomsom have stated, the way you are going about this is not conducive to building a bankroll, and you will always end up returning to stakers to sell huge portions of yourself, but I'm not going to spend time telling you this, because far better people have already gone into great detail about it.

Now, the hand histories themselves - In my opinion, it is very important to be honest with these. People gloss over events that they aren't proud of, fair enough. But to flat out lie about things which have happened is very serious and represents a false investment. People are of course able to stake you regardless of whether they think you're a winning player, and I'm more than happy to see people staking you on the basis of your passion for the game. However, there are DEFINITELY people that have staked you on the basis of it being value for their money, and the whole premise of staking is that the backers know exactly who they are staking. By falsely advertising your ability as a player, you are abusing that trust, and that is why this is so important. I will come straight out and tell you that you were playing with a friend of mine, who lurks on blonde and knew of you and your diary when you sat down. As I result, I am not wildly accusing Pete of anything. I was attempting to give him a way of coming clean, but it is clear from Facebook and from his reply earlier on here that he has no intention of doing so, which again I think is very serious, and something that potential backers have a right to know about. Again, of course, they can still back him for other reasons. But those that back him under the guise of him being a profitable player, and how unlucky he is getting in the tournaments he plays, are being presented with information that is not accurate. I also have reason to believe that this is not the first time you have misrepresented hands that you have played. I believe it is very important to be as honest as you can be, and if you do have no desire to be "criticised" on hand histories and thereby improve as a player, then that is your prerogative. But people putting up their own money to stake you have a right to know what they are investing in.

I can't speak for anyone else I guess, but I don't believe this is a witch hunt. I believe it is a series of questions that are being asked of you that you need to answer, and the tone of some of the posts on here is born out of a frustration with your lack of responsiveness. Frankly, I've found some of the things put up on Facebook pretty disrespectful and borderline insulting, as I'm sure some of the others who have seen them have too. I like you Pete, we've spoken a fair bit and we've played a bit too. I want to see you succeed, I want you to realise this "lifelong dream" that is the very title of this blog. But this is going too far, and the fact that you seem unwilling to answer what is being said here suggests that you don't have an answer. I implore you to listen to the advice you are being given, because it will dramatically improve your chances of realising this dream. I also implore you to respond, properly, to what has been said here, and stop seeing yourself as a victim, and as someone being bullied, abused and trolled. You are none of these things, and I would be very surprised if you didn't know it.

Right im going to prefix this, rexas i love you man, one of the few people that could....sort of...understand me and the mentality i have. Simple fact is this has felt like people sticking the knife in. As ive stated alot of this, in my eyes at least, stems off miscommunication, misunderstanding and mistakes (and im sure ive missed something out xD) The fact is while they might see it as beneficial this whole thing stemmed off calling a naive lad out and making him to look like the worst kind of human being out there. I'm at the stage where i don't care much for what others think of that. It's how i feel and after all this im more arsed for my own feeling than anything else.

I know the game doesn't owe me anything, why do you think i push as hard as i do? People may not agree with my method of pushing but, frankly, its not their place to question my methods. Question the motives sure, but ive clarified those enough now to put it to bed. But i operate an out-of-the-box style of thinking. I stated really early on i have NO intention of changing this....that's not changed!

The thing is i have taken alot of the advice to heart...what do you guys want? Instant changes? Guess what, its not going to happen. And besides, alot of the "advice" has been, again, an attack on how much i sell of myself. It is an attack now, that's not help. You all have morals and principles you live by sure, don't shove them down my face (Again, after 18 pages it's how I FEEL you have all displayed it)

With the HH's ive gone into enough details above this part to feel ive adequately answered this one. Nothing was a lie and if you refuse to believe that then nothing was malicious in intent. Nothing. And i won't hear different.

Actually as i read this i feel a lot's been mentioned prior...Although this is one post summarizing two pages, so i thank you for that :-)

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Right, this straight up has to be the most intense piece of writing ive ever done. I don't put this kind of effort into my essays for Christ sakes! I'm hoping this is going to be enough to satisfy the blood-lust because that's what it's felt like. I don't rightly care if someone wants to tell me "we are just trying to help" because for the past few days it's not felt even close to that. I have never been economical with the truth and if i have managed to get something wrong it was either to go out of my way for others, as such with no malicious intent whatsoever. Or was an honest and genuine mistake. I don't go to the trouble of fabricating hands, It's not worth the hassle. If i wanted to do that I'd do it on the relevant forums as well, not on a blog that...until recently...i was really growing to love.

What i won't have coming from this is people making out i falsely portray myself. If that's the way it comes across to you then i apologize. But the last thing i want is for your bloody morality forcing you to make me look worse than i am. Nobody's been left thinking i am a profiting player. I've looked at the little blue book ive got showcasing all my backers. I've even gone to the trouble before writing this of checking my backing discussions with them. EVERY BLOODY ONE that has asked questions has been given concise and precise answers. I've even noticed that some got the answers and then politely declined. As ive stated before. I haven't put a gun to anyone's head...all ive ever offered is passion and dedication, people have gone off my drive only. If it's been construe that my stating past results has been to that end then i apologize from the bottom of my heart. When ive mentioned past results (the twitter-esque #ThreeDeepRuns is the one i remember the most as a marketing line). It's not been under the pretense that it WOULD happen, that i was profiting enough to make it happen...but more that i had the conviction and belief that it would. There is nothing wrong with that, at all...I've never been economical with the truth regarding anything, least not intentionally. Lord knows ive got the kind of database people would kill for. I can't be economical with five years of collated results! Yeah sure there's talk that it's not enough of a sample size but its what we have. It's what we will work with. And i will not. Not. NOT. be told to do otherwise. People can draw their own conclusions once they seem them. I've never bigged them up to be more than they are and if you've felt that i have then i sincerely apologize for that. Feel free to never back me or ever again for that matter. But if you see me for what i am. A kid who's had to spend two full days feeling like the world was against him before having the courage (and believe me, it took alot to write this) Then stick around.
But im making this very clear. This has a line drawn under it as far as im concerned. That's a 11 page, Exactly 5,000 word response to the most awkward few days of my poker career. I have no intention of letting this drag any further. If you have something to say, good or bad, keep it to yourself. Least that way i can't be seen as being biased towards those that still support me (believe me, they exist, alot of them). I want to carry this on. I want to carry on in a community i WAS growing fond of. I want to carry on my passion of 16 years, a game i love more than anything else. But it has to be in the right way, the right atmosphere....I won't be carrying on if people still have the idea to carry this complete mess on. Honest mistakes, sincere apologies and alot of naivety. Let's leave it at that.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 15, 2014, 03:44:21 PM
So will you be at Dtd next week? Say hi'


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 15, 2014, 03:47:37 PM
So will you be at Dtd next week? Say hi'

Might be, I won't be playing anything but i think i want to see what the atmosphere is like. Give me the drive for when (Inevitably) they do it all again next year, Will do :-)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 15, 2014, 03:58:16 PM
Currently in a lot of talks with Peter through pm, but feel I should start posting publicly, since I believe I know you more than most here.

If there's one person who deserves a response or a quote itt, it's tomsom. You've mentioned you will directly speak to investors, yet quoted everyone on your side of the fence in this debate but ignored the fact that tomsom invested in you, waiting quite a while before getting proof regarding the miss-match of hands as supposed to throwing allegations around. I understand you may have answered some of his concerns with your response, but you haven't directly responded to his posts just because he was being brutally honest with what he saw, as I believe he has the right to do so.

While I feel you have made mistakes and never meant anything maliciously, this doesn't mean that everything should then be disregarded and people should "let you get away" so to speak with some of the mistakes made. Everyone says something for a reason, not just cause they are hating and want to attack you. Try and see things from their side of the fence as supposed to being like "oh they are being too brutal, this is abuse" etc.etc. Just skip over being a victim, and realise while some may have been a bit harsh, they have reasoning.

Was really annoyed with the closing line of "If you have something to say, good or bad, keep it to yourself". You surely set up a blog to get advice from players who are further down the line from you, but you clearly think people don't have the right to give advice or question things. There will always be highs and lows, And the lows need to be handled much better, especially in this industry if you want to push yourself and get further. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, you should pull your finger out and address honestly where you are with poker, where you want to be and how you want to get there. I don't think there is any pro out there who has never had a break from poker or realised that there are priorities that overtake poker at certain times. You seem to do what you want to do, when it suits you. I honestly don't see how you can not feel an inch of guilt in the future if you sell for events after ignoring your previous backer and refusing to speak to them. It's almost like you are going from person to person to get money out of them.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Eso Kral on February 15, 2014, 04:01:49 PM
Just to confirm that Tomsom texted me after me and mystery man1 offered the stake to say he would like a 1/3 of it.



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: bagel on February 15, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
i dont know peter.

however i really struggle to believe that if somebody was lying about their bust out hand in a tournament that anybody could be monumentally daft enough to report the hand competely differently on blonde compared to facebook, knowing that multiple people will read both. not to mention somebody on said table (rexas friend) could also contradct this. makes zero sense. for these reasons i am siding with mr thorpe accidentally mixing up important hands towards end of tournament.

on the flip side i cannot understand somebody playing potentially 2 days for 10% of action. i cant afford live mtts with all of additional expenses. living in london if somebody put me in with 10% for me i would decline even if it was on my doorstep.however that is his choice.

good luck peter


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 15, 2014, 04:12:05 PM
Currently in a lot of talks with Peter through pm, but feel I should start posting publicly, since I believe I know you more than most here.

If there's one person who deserves a response or a quote itt, it's tomsom. You've mentioned you will directly speak to investors, yet quoted everyone on your side of the fence in this debate but ignored the fact that tomsom invested in you, waiting quite a while before getting proof regarding the miss-match of hands as supposed to throwing allegations around. I understand you may have answered some of his concerns with your response, but you haven't directly responded to his posts just because he was being brutally honest with what he saw, as I believe he has the right to do so.

While I feel you have made mistakes and never meant anything maliciously, this doesn't mean that everything should then be disregarded and people should "let you get away" so to speak with some of the mistakes made. Everyone says something for a reason, not just cause they are hating and want to attack you. Try and see things from their side of the fence as supposed to being like "oh they are being too brutal, this is abuse" etc.etc. Just skip over being a victim, and realise while some may have been a bit harsh, they have reasoning.

Was really annoyed with the closing line of "If you have something to say, good or bad, keep it to yourself". You surely set up a blog to get advice from players who are further down the line from you, but you clearly think people don't have the right to give advice or question things. There will always be highs and lows, And the lows need to be handled much better, especially in this industry if you want to push yourself and get further. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, you should pull your finger out and address honestly where you are with poker, where you want to be and how you want to get there. I don't think there is any pro out there who has never had a break from poker or realised that there are priorities that overtake poker at certain times. You seem to do what you want to do, when it suits you. I honestly don't see how you can not feel an inch of guilt in the future if you sell for events after ignoring your previous backer and refusing to speak to them. It's almost like you are going from person to person to get money out of them.

The main reason for the lack of quotes on tomsom's side is one of ease. While i was spending the time writing this almost all the points had been written in chronological order past it. I wanted this out there in a way which my mind could actually work well with. In order. Had i been backing and forthing im 100% certian i would have lost track and probably still be halfway to writing this. I'm happy to have discussions with him myself but at this stage i'd rather they be between me and him. I've covered too much on here to want to carry this on for another week or two.

Im not stating for a second that i should "get away" with anything. Far from it. If i truly thought that i just wanted to get away with it (as we have discussed) i'd have just deleted my account on here and never bothered replying. The very fact im willing to surely has to show im willing to stand up and take relative amounts of blame for the mistakes ive made. But that said i will most certianly clarify bits i deem either excessive or just plain wrong. And i stand by that.

The last bit was a closer. Sorry it annoyed you but i want this drawn under. People think im going to take this "advice" much more they are mistaken. I hate this, hate every aspect of it. Never in my life have i had to rigorously defend myself as much as i have now and while, again, im not saying im squeaky clean, ive made mistakes yes. And the way of handling this until now was disastrous. I dont feel this level of responses has ever been justified. And im not alone in thinking that clearly.

As for that last bit....you know im willing to talk to whoever i need to regarding this. And ive clearly stated that i felt the same points had been mentioned in an order that made them easier to respond to. If that's not enough then im sorry...but it managed to get me to write 5,000 words, rather than cower in corner...cant be that bad surely...


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 15, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
i dont know peter.

however i really struggle to believe that if somebody was lying about their bust out hand in a tournament that anybody could be monumentally daft enough to report the hand competely differently on blonde compared to facebook, knowing that multiple people will read both. not to mention somebody on said table (rexas friend) could also contradct this. makes zero sense. for these reasons i am siding with mr thorpe accidentally mixing up important hands towards end of tournament.

on the flip side i cannot understand somebody playing potentially 2 days for 10% of action. i cant afford live mtts with all of additional expenses. living in london if somebody put me in with 10% for me i would decline even if it was on my doorstep.however that is his choice.

good luck peter

Fair post and thank you for it. With regard to the last bit yeah i'd been told it loads before. My logic was that a little of something is better than all of nothing

Thanks, will try my best :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on February 15, 2014, 04:16:08 PM
Just to confirm that Tomsom texted me after me and mystery man1 offered the stake to say he would like a 1/3 of it.


Fair play thanks for the heads up #DemMysteryMen


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: cambridgealex on February 15, 2014, 04:37:48 PM
Not involved at all in this, but I just wanted to post to say that it's no surprise that Jakally and Scotty77 (who just "get" everything generally) have hit the nail on the head here.

It's amazing how much people have got annoyed over a few hand histories misreported. He got crippled in a big hand which he reported and then can't remember the way he lost his last few chips? So what?! That's happened to me in loads of tournaments I've been staked for. And yeh maybe he was embarrassed about one hand he may have misplayed and didn't mention it / misreported it. Not cool, but certainly not worthy of all this. You'd have thought he'd grimmed everyone.

I've read every page of this diary and the moment Eso posted that he'd put Peter in the GP it was clear this was quite a big step in the diary, or Peter's career. Getting staked by loved members of the blonde community - I'm sure he didn't want to let them down. So if he ballsed up a hand, you can see how it happened that he didn't want this to come out. Not condoning this btw, much better in the long run to hold your hands up and say "tbh i made a big cock up and that cost me, sorry guys" than to cover up and then get found out afterwards.

Tbh, it was super obvious that this had happened just from watching this thread. Every hand and tournament, analysed and details recorded in meticulous fashion (eg. GPS report) and then this one was brushed aside with some throwaway comments from Peter some time after the tournament was over iirc.

He's made some mistakes with how he's handled this, sure. But hasn't deserved anything like the tirade he's got here.

Peter hasn't misrepresented himself at all from what I can see. He doesn't claim to be anything he's not. He believes he's a winning player, and has a decent record in the tournaments he's playing / being staked for. What else can he do? He can't show a sample size of 1000 live tournaments. He doesn't play online and doesn't claim to be an online sicko, no-one's asked him for online records either. He might be a tad optimistic about his ability level, and , but who isn't? I definitely was when I was at his stage / age, and probably still am!

RE the playing for 10% of yourself. Tomsom et al are completely wrong about this. It might seem ridiculous to you. It's certainly not a way to make money. It's certainly not the done thing. It probably isn't a very good idea long term. But there's nothing wrong with it if he tries his best and gives it his all. Which it's immediately obvious he does. If someone put you in the $10k WSOP main for a 10% freeroll would you accept? Many people would. He's doing it for the love of the game, for the experience, maybe to build up a reputation, winning record, bigger sample size (!) and he might make some money in the process. Who are any of you to say he can't do that? Fair enough to advise him about better ways to go about building a bankroll, but this has gone way past that now.

It's absolutely turned into a witchhunt because Peter is seen as an easy target and he's been a bit of a wally here. It's very much like what happened to John Black (I'm one of the guilty ones here) and that resulted in Blonde losing a great character.

Blonde is a lot more colourful place with these characters about so please, until Peter actually does something really bad, give it a rest. 


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: bagel on February 15, 2014, 04:47:12 PM
Not involved at all in this, but I just wanted to post to say that it's no surprise that Jakally and Scotty77 (who just "get" everything generally) have hit the nail on the head here.

It's amazing how much people have got annoyed over a few hand histories misreported. He got crippled in a big hand which he reported and then can't remember the way he lost his last few chips? So what?! That's happened to me in loads of tournaments I've been staked for. And yeh maybe he was embarrassed about one hand he may have misplayed and didn't mention it / misreported it. Not cool, but certainly not worthy of all this. You'd have thought he'd grimmed everyone.

I've read every page of this diary and the moment Eso posted that he'd put Peter in the GP it was clear this was quite a big step in the diary, or Peter's career. Getting staked by loved members of the blonde community - I'm sure he didn't want to let them down. So if he ballsed up a hand, you can see how it happened that he didn't want this to come out. Not condoning this btw, much better in the long run to hold your hands up and say "tbh i made a big cock up and that cost me, sorry guys" than to cover up and then get found out afterwards.

Tbh, it was super obvious that this had happened just from watching this thread. Every hand and tournament, analysed and details recorded in meticulous fashion (eg. GPS report) and then this one was brushed aside with some throwaway comments from Peter some time after the tournament was over iirc.

He's made some mistakes with how he's handled this, sure. But hasn't deserved anything like the tirade he's got here.

Peter hasn't misrepresented himself at all from what I can see. He doesn't claim to be anything he's not. He believes he's a winning player, and has a decent record in the tournaments he's playing / being staked for. What else can he do? He can't show a sample size of 1000 live tournaments. He doesn't play online and doesn't claim to be an online sicko, no-one's asked him for online records either. He might be a tad optimistic about his ability level, and , but who isn't? I definitely was when I was at his stage / age, and probably still am!

RE the playing for 10% of yourself. Tomsom et al are completely wrong about this. It might seem ridiculous to you. It's certainly not a way to make money. It's certainly not the done thing. It probably isn't a very good idea long term. But there's nothing wrong with it if he tries his best and gives it his all. Which it's immediately obvious he does. If someone put you in the $10k WSOP main for a 10% freeroll would you accept? Many people would. He's doing it for the love of the game, for the experience, maybe to build up a reputation, winning record, bigger sample size (!) and he might make some money in the process. Who are any of you to say he can't do that? Fair enough to advise him about better ways to go about building a bankroll, but this has gone way past that now.

It's absolutely turned into a witchhunt because Peter is seen as an easy target and he's been a bit of a wally here. It's very much like what happened to John Black (I'm one of the guilty ones here) and that resulted in Blonde losing a great character.

Blonde is a lot more colourful place with these characters about so please, until Peter actually does something really bad, give it a rest. 


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 15, 2014, 04:48:03 PM
Very good post from Alex. It would absolutely be a shame if Peters diary left blonde, it would also be a shame if Peter felt almost, well not scared, but abit intimidated or embarressed about going back to DTD as if I was him and there was a group of guys on the other side of the room evidently talking about me it wouldnt be a nice experience. I think you should also listen to JGILL too though, just try and show TomSom a little bit more respect, just have a beer at the bar together and speak about it. He didnt invest in you because he thought you were the best player in the world, he thought you were a good player, which Im sure you are and he thought you came across as a really nice guy. Anybody who knows Tomsom will tell you he is a great guy too, so just offer him a beer at DTD next time you are going and speak about it, if you offer that he definitely wouldnt keep posting in the thread or "witch-hunting" you. Rexas, JGILL et al actually all come across very reasonable and to me it looks like they are trying to help you as friends.



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: mondatoo on February 15, 2014, 04:54:46 PM
Don't know Peter at all, read the thread a bit but don't really know the full story.

Spoke to Tomsom a lot on Skype the last 6 months or so, pretty much 100% certain that he isn't the type to be going on a witch hunt.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: bagel on February 15, 2014, 04:56:28 PM
sigh must learn how to quote individual parts of another post.

when i think about it the part alex mentioned about 10% makes total sense to me r.e

A. gaining experience in large field live mtts

B. potentially winning a few k. i would def take an offer with v juicy prize pool but **** sitting about all day in xxxl25. prob around 50 notes f you final table and bust early, if in for 10%

C. the social aspect. if you are gonna sit about on the sofa watching winter olympics you mght as well have a punt.

on a side note alex congrats on ept run. had a tiny piece of you in main event wsop through mate of mne. (cheapwetsuit), get your diary going again was a great read.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: david3103 on February 15, 2014, 05:05:51 PM
Not involved at all in this, but I just wanted to post to say that it's no surprise that Jakally and Scotty77 (who just "get" everything generally) have hit the nail on the head here.

It's amazing how much people have got annoyed over a few hand histories misreported. He got crippled in a big hand which he reported and then can't remember the way he lost his last few chips? So what?! That's happened to me in loads of tournaments I've been staked for. And yeh maybe he was embarrassed about one hand he may have misplayed and didn't mention it / misreported it. Not cool, but certainly not worthy of all this. You'd have thought he'd grimmed everyone.

I've read every page of this diary and the moment Eso posted that he'd put Peter in the GP it was clear this was quite a big step in the diary, or Peter's career. Getting staked by loved members of the blonde community - I'm sure he didn't want to let them down. So if he ballsed up a hand, you can see how it happened that he didn't want this to come out. Not condoning this btw, much better in the long run to hold your hands up and say "tbh i made a big cock up and that cost me, sorry guys" than to cover up and then get found out afterwards.

Tbh, it was super obvious that this had happened just from watching this thread. Every hand and tournament, analysed and details recorded in meticulous fashion (eg. GPS report) and then this one was brushed aside with some throwaway comments from Peter some time after the tournament was over iirc.

He's made some mistakes with how he's handled this, sure. But hasn't deserved anything like the tirade he's got here.

Peter hasn't misrepresented himself at all from what I can see. He doesn't claim to be anything he's not. He believes he's a winning player, and has a decent record in the tournaments he's playing / being staked for. What else can he do? He can't show a sample size of 1000 live tournaments. He doesn't play online and doesn't claim to be an online sicko, no-one's asked him for online records either. He might be a tad optimistic about his ability level, and , but who isn't? I definitely was when I was at his stage / age, and probably still am!

RE the playing for 10% of yourself. Tomsom et al are completely wrong about this. It might seem ridiculous to you. It's certainly not a way to make money. It's certainly not the done thing. It probably isn't a very good idea long term. But there's nothing wrong with it if he tries his best and gives it his all. Which it's immediately obvious he does. If someone put you in the $10k WSOP main for a 10% freeroll would you accept? Many people would. He's doing it for the love of the game, for the experience, maybe to build up a reputation, winning record, bigger sample size (!) and he might make some money in the process. Who are any of you to say he can't do that? Fair enough to advise him about better ways to go about building a bankroll, but this has gone way past that now.

It's absolutely turned into a witchhunt because Peter is seen as an easy target and he's been a bit of a wally here. It's very much like what happened to John Black (I'm one of the guilty ones here) and that resulted in Blonde losing a great character.

Blonde is a lot more colourful place with these characters about so please, until Peter actually does something really bad, give it a rest. 


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Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: DrDreh on February 15, 2014, 06:13:48 PM
From what I've heard a significant amount of chips were lost with the 4 s that can't seem to be remembered which understandably is frustrating some people, as other hands such as the jacks one it seems weren't for as much as claimed to be and Matt tom etc are aware of this which is why they are annoyed that some important questions have been continuously avoided.  

Now whilst I think some of the things posted may have been harsh, calling this a witch hunt doesn't seem right really and Matt, Tom, Jon etc are hardly the type of people to start one.  The whole scenario has been undoubtedly worsened by Pete's poor handling of the situation.  Had he initially apologised and owned up to falsifying these hands this definitely would not have escalated as it has, instead he has been avoiding discussing some of the questions that Tom and others would like answered and perhaps their frustration can be seen in their posts.

Good luck with your endeavours Pete and I hope you continue posting.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: edgascoigne on February 15, 2014, 08:07:39 PM
Welcome back Alex.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 15, 2014, 08:16:31 PM
Welcome back Alex.

Diary post?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 15, 2014, 08:29:05 PM
It would seem my faith in Peter has been very much misplaced. I guess I felt sorry for him and the way people seemed to be ganging up on him so kept quiet about what had happened between us.

When I first started staking him he had min cashed a couple of times so I was quite happy to reinvest in him. We had accumulated a pot of around £200 when he entered a £100 game which I had 50%. He ended up coming second for £7k woop happy days. I told him that from my half I would give him half back in stakings so he would have a decent amount of money to play with. I asked him to send me the money and I would keep track of the bankroll. I also told him to keep £250 and add it to the £150 he already had as he was going to USA and planned on playing a few games while he was out there.

He sent me £2690 saying it was the most he could send as his bank balance had a limit on how much he could withdraw in a month and as he was off to america in a few days it would have to wait until he returned 3 months later. As it happened he wasnt out there as long as he thought he would be and was back a few days later having spent the £400 and the remaining money he owed on a plane fare home.

He promised he would repay the money from any winnings so I was caught in a situation where he needed to play to keep this promise so like a mug I continued to stake him for the remainder.

He didnt cash again so I reluctantly told him to write off the debt and perhaps pay me it back if he ever had another big score.

The reason I didnt tell this before is because I felt like a bit of a fool but I didnt want to go back on my word. I also liked the lad and felt he had potential on a long term basis.

My opinion however has been changed today when I was told that he had done a deal when HU and had actually won 9k. He kept this from me though he denies it. It certainly wasnt something I was likely to forget but I did check pms to make sure. Im still a bit in profit so its not all bad but certainly not as much as I should be.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: rfgqqabc on February 15, 2014, 08:45:11 PM
I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.

I really wanted to stay out of this but feel now I should say something.

I have been and still am one of Peters stakers. I met him when I was playing an Apat game at DTD which ended with us heads up. I saw in him a passion for poker that I had lost and wanted to encourage him as a young player.

I was under no illusions that he was a pro, in fact the completely the opposite. I knew he was a student with little money, no time to play sats but with a desire to play live. He also admitted that he was crap online so preferred to go along the staking route.

Yes he does it differently from conventional staking and I have also explained to him that he needs to build a bankroll and invest more himself but as he said he doesnt have the time and just wants to play for the love of the game.

Whos to say this is wrong?

Im sure if he becomes a more profitable player then his approach will change but for now I dont see any harm in what he is doing. His stakers are taking a gamble on him but isnt that the same with all stakings? I have staked players in the past with much better stats but so far Peter has been the most profitable.

His main crime here seems to be that he has reported his HH wrong?

Does it really matter?

If I stake a player I am not looking to analise the HH, yes its nice to be kept informed and fun to rail but that player is in the comp to win isnt he? If he loses enough times I wont stake anymore...simplez.

How on earth can you make this post knowing what is written in the post above? Or did you literally just find this out suzanne.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 15, 2014, 08:47:43 PM
I have no idea what's going on but looking in this seems like a bit of a witch hunt.

I really wanted to stay out of this but feel now I should say something.

I have been and still am one of Peters stakers. I met him when I was playing an Apat game at DTD which ended with us heads up. I saw in him a passion for poker that I had lost and wanted to encourage him as a young player.

I was under no illusions that he was a pro, in fact the completely the opposite. I knew he was a student with little money, no time to play sats but with a desire to play live. He also admitted that he was crap online so preferred to go along the staking route.

Yes he does it differently from conventional staking and I have also explained to him that he needs to build a bankroll and invest more himself but as he said he doesnt have the time and just wants to play for the love of the game.

Whos to say this is wrong?

Im sure if he becomes a more profitable player then his approach will change but for now I dont see any harm in what he is doing. His stakers are taking a gamble on him but isnt that the same with all stakings? I have staked players in the past with much better stats but so far Peter has been the most profitable.

His main crime here seems to be that he has reported his HH wrong?

Does it really matter?

If I stake a player I am not looking to analise the HH, yes its nice to be kept informed and fun to rail but that player is in the comp to win isnt he? If he loses enough times I wont stake anymore...simplez.

How on earth can you make this post knowing what is written in the post above? Or did you literally just find this out suzanne.

I just found out today that he had actually won 9k. The rest I put down to my own stupidity.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: George2Loose on February 15, 2014, 08:49:44 PM
Wow


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 15, 2014, 08:51:07 PM
is that theft or?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on February 15, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
I think it's just become serious enough that it might be best to keep conversations off the visible internet until it's been discussed directly between the affected parties. It might be that it can't be sorted by conversation, but nothing is going to be resolved ITT.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 15, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
is that theft or?

Is it? I dont know.

I asked him how he plans to pay me back the outstanding £1k and he said he doesnt know as he still owes thousands after the USA fiasco.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: George2Loose on February 15, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
I think it's just become serious enough that it might be best to keep conversations off the visible internet until it's been discussed directly between the affected parties. It might be that it can't be sorted by conversation, but nothing is going to be resolved ITT.

Well, as is the case when these types of affairs go public, Peter should probably come on here and clear things up. Right to reply


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 15, 2014, 08:56:49 PM
well obviously he owes you that money. if he pays you back now, you allow him extra interest fee loan or you take legal action thats upto you i guess. i have no idea unfortunately. im sorry that from trying to help somebody out you have had your trust misplaced even if profiting a little bit from the experience.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on February 15, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
I think it's just become serious enough that it might be best to keep conversations off the visible internet until it's been discussed directly between the affected parties. It might be that it can't be sorted by conversation, but nothing is going to be resolved ITT.

Well, as is the case when these types of affairs go public, Peter should probably come on here and clear things up. Right to reply

Of course. It's his diary thread.

Although he doesn't owe me any explanation. And he doesn't owe most people who will read his response one either. Nor does Suzanne or anyone who has staked. I think that's important, as these things can easily descend even further with the dirty linen in public.

The quicker it's sorted, the better for everyone.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: George2Loose on February 15, 2014, 09:08:08 PM
If he continues to seek staking he owes everyone an explanation


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on February 15, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
If he continues to seek staking he owes everyone an explanation

I had assumed that was no longer an issue but I can't disagree, if not.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: nirvana on February 15, 2014, 09:11:18 PM
I think that's important, as these things can easily descend even further with the dirty linen in public.

I know yr a peaceful and obviously non malicious type. And I know that Tikay likes things to be nicey wicey.

Personally though, I see this like any other news medium and I enjoy watching these things play out - they' re hardly ever legal matters even when legal shiz is alluded to

This is also quite interesting cause i just read the last 3-4 pages in one go and was feeling sorry for the boy, then Suz comes on and bingo bango.. I must admit, I wanna see bongo


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 15, 2014, 09:11:27 PM
Obv I'm the person in question who chopped the event with him (think we left 1k left to play for up top, can't remember precisely).

I remember at the time he had 2 out of 4 backers on the rail, and they knew about the deal, receiving the correct amount of money. I remember it being right before he went to america and he lol'd "guess I get extra money if I keep it quiet, right in time for America". I honestly thought it was a joke, then later thought perhaps it wasn't actually a lie. As time went on I started to realise that perhaps he took the money, to a point where I was probably 95% sure he kept hold of the money, but obviously you cant throw these allegations about.

Today I realised some others had the same suspicions, so I asked him in pm. At first he said they didn't know, then when I told him some may have been aware he started backtracking listing the people telling me they all definitely knew, 100%. I thought I would double check as I felt over the past few days he had lied to me about a couple of things. I told Sue, she hadn't heard a thing regarding our deal and was understandably fuming. He kept trying to defend himself with some excel and word documents he had from the time, what I suspect to be more lies.

I'm most pissed off because I spent so much time trying to give him all the help I could, especially the past few days regarding this blog whilst I've been grinding but I've been getting fed lies. He's even threatened me with the "WE cant let this become public knowledge, WE will be banned for doing a deal when Rob/Si said none would be allowed". If I get banned I get banned, but I'm not going to continue to living his lies where he has grimmed good people for their hard earned money. I hate this sort of thing as I myself once needed backing all the time, and events like this will surely put people of staking, not giving some people the chance they need to be able to enjoy the thrill of big tournaments.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 15, 2014, 09:11:57 PM
Are the others who backed him into this competition in the same situation as suzanne was before she knew Peter had chopped it?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 15, 2014, 09:12:38 PM
Shit just got interesting. gif


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 15, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
He asked me earlier to issue a statement regarding the thing, but I obviously refuse. I'm not being the middle man for a grimmer


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: pleno1 on February 15, 2014, 09:15:28 PM
Obv I'm the person in question who chopped the event with him (think we left 1k left to play for up top, can't remember precisely).

I remember at the time he had 2 out of 4 backers on the rail, and they knew about the deal, receiving the correct amount of money. I remember it being right before he went to america and he lol'd "guess I get extra money if I keep it quiet, right in time for America". I honestly thought it was a joke, then later thought perhaps it wasn't actually a lie. As time went on I started to realise that perhaps he took the money, to a point where I was probably 95% sure he kept hold of the money, but obviously you cant throw these allegations about.

Today I realised some others had the same suspicions, so I asked him in pm. At first he said they didn't know, then when I told him some may have been aware he started backtracking listing the people telling me they all definitely knew, 100%. I thought I would double check as I felt over the past few days he had lied to me about a couple of things. I told Sue, she hadn't heard a thing regarding our deal and was understandably fuming. He kept trying to defend himself with some excel and word documents he had from the time, what I suspect to be more lies.

I'm most pissed off because I spent so much time trying to give him all the help I could, especially the past few days regarding this blog whilst I've been grinding but I've been getting fed lies. He's even threatened me with the "WE cant let this become public knowledge, WE will be banned for doing a deal when Rob/Si said none would be allowed". If I get banned I get banned, but I'm not going to continue to living his lies where he has grimmed good people for their hard earned money. I hate this sort of thing as I myself once needed backing all the time, and events like this will surely put people of staking, not giving some people the chance they need to be able to enjoy the thrill of big tournaments.

very classy post, sir.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: edgascoigne on February 15, 2014, 09:19:30 PM
Peter - I don't know you from Adam, but I know you'll be upset by all this. Don't worry as everyone makes mistakes, but do make a plan to set things right. Take care, Ed


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 15, 2014, 09:20:39 PM
Peter - I don't know you from Adam, but I know you'll be upset by all this. Don't worry as everyone makes mistakes, but do make a plan to set things right. Take care, Ed

Everyone makes mistakes, but when your staked and dont tell the backer you won 1.5k more than she thought,in a 50% deal, think that might go beyond an honest mistake.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: edgascoigne on February 15, 2014, 09:25:23 PM
Peter - I don't know you from Adam, but I know you'll be upset by all this. Don't worry as everyone makes mistakes, but do make a plan to set things right. Take care, Ed

Everyone makes mistakes, but when your staked and dont tell the backer you won 1.5k more than she thought,in a 50% deal, think that might go beyond an honest mistake.

Of course, but there is no wrong (however it has been arrived at) that can't subsequently be righted with the appropriate approach.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: bagel on February 15, 2014, 09:26:09 PM
so pete busts a tourney, reports conflicting hand histories on blonde and facebook , and then gets heads up with jgill who is rightly a respected and prolific poster on here ,ships 7k odd, deals for another k or more whilst thinkng backers(2 of whom are on rail) will not find out? really?

didnt see that coming at all. prob why i am shit at poker.

hope its a mix up but looks moody as fuck now


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 15, 2014, 09:30:27 PM
I'm shocked by this revelation!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 15, 2014, 09:31:12 PM
so pete busts a tourney, reports conflicting hand histories on blonde and facebook , and then gets heads up with jgill who is rightly a respected and prolific poster on here ,ships 7k odd, deals for another k or more whilst thinkng backers(2 of whom are on rail) will not find out? really?

didnt see that coming at all. prob why i am shit at poker.

hope its a mix up but looks moody as fuck now


He told the backers on the rail about the deal, just didnt inform those who weren't there, possibly because those on the rail werent mutual friends


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 15, 2014, 09:35:19 PM
Well Gil just open a can a beans!!! Like the shizzzle commence. I do feel sorry for the backer/backers in this deal and also Gil who I respect, most not be nice to hold this in and so glad u got it off ur chest. What will be will be, I've also been backing Pete now and then and just disappointment is the feeling right now after meeting him on numerous occasions


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on February 15, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Nice double post, Ed.

If it's all true, he won't be the first and he won't be the last. Every time you play an online MTT, you're playing with all sorts of people you wouldn't trust with your watch. When you play in a casino, there are far worse people sharing the comp than you realise. Nothing makes it right, but what happens next decides what kind of people we are and that's how we should be judged. I think I posted something similar on a different thread last year. We all need a sense of perspective sometimes, but we equally should accept that our actions do have consequences.

To those of you who want poker and a show, Grosvenor Coventry today tweeted this:

The hilarious Bobby Davro, supported by the Shane Richie Jnr Band is here LIVE on 28th Feb. Call 02476 684747 to book...
5:03pm - 15 Feb 14


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 15, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
All I can say to this is "wow". I'd heard rumors of this before but hadn't seen anything concrete so didn't comment on them itt, but now this has become an entirely different and more serious issue. Peter has, it seems, betrayed a fair few people's trust. I feel for Suzanne being caught up in all this, but mostly I think i feel for Gilly, who I know has spent a lot of time with Peter trying to help the guy out. Peter needs to answer these comments as soon as possible, and set up a way of paying back the money that he owes investors. It would be a mistake for Peter to attempt to receive staking until such a time, and it may be necessary to inform other forums such as APAT of this thread to ensure potential backers who would be ignorant of the information here to hence decide whether they would still want to invest.

Certainly a very difficult situation, and I echo Ross' sentiments that I feel very disappointed. I think this should definitely be the end of Pete acting like he is being victimized and abused, and would like to point out that he is not a "kid" but an adult, and must start acting like one. He's older than me, for crying out loud!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: cambridgealex on February 15, 2014, 10:20:47 PM
Welcome back Alex.

It's great to be back Ed!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 15, 2014, 10:36:59 PM
Welcome back Alex.

It's great to be back Ed!

PROSE FROM A POSHBOY: WITH A VENGEANCE!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 15, 2014, 10:37:33 PM
Just because we sit with shady characters in casinos though doesn't make any of this ok does it? Always end up reading loads of sympathy stuff on blonde, feels like some people our high all the time and feel nothing lol so soft, I'm not saying we should call him all names under the sun but if all is true then what's left to say?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 15, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
This is all true....


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 15, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
Where is sovietsong, with his 'has anyone rang the police yet?' Post.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 15, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
Where is sovietsong, with his 'has anyone rang the police yet?' Post.

THink Pleno got there first!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 15, 2014, 10:59:45 PM
This is all true....

Think Petes out on the booze! Don't blame him


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 15, 2014, 11:03:33 PM
This is all true....

Think Petes out on the booze! Don't blame him

He said something earlier about drawing a line under the week, which at the time I didn't think was his place to decide. I actually do blame him, he has bought this completely on himself.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 15, 2014, 11:11:29 PM
This is all true....

Think Petes out on the booze! Don't blame him

He said something earlier about drawing a line under the week, which at the time I didn't think was his place to decide. I actually do blame him, he has bought this completely on himself.

Gotta agree Matt, I've spent time with him on the rail( no jokes there plzzz lol) and supported him mostly through this, told him to back off from poker last week, don't think he listens truly to what has been said.

Best thing he can do is close this and take a big step back from poker for a while, he's skint, so it be for the best. I'm so angry he lied about heads up deal! Totally messed up
Anyways I'm saying no more


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 15, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
This is all true....

Think Petes out on the booze! Don't blame him

Probs hiding in the toilet when it's his round though.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: david3103 on February 15, 2014, 11:20:32 PM
Anyone fancy a spot of quizzing while they're waiting for this to be resolved?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=63225.0



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: s4ooter on February 16, 2014, 12:07:43 AM
I'm not gonna post a a shitload ITT but I have staked Pete before, as well as declined to on a few occasions (he had a decent bink when I didn't sigh!) but it seems all of our trust has been misplaced.

I also know suze well IRL and she is one of the genuine ones who has been duped.

Pete, you really need to get your shit together and figure out what your doing, but poker isn't gonna be it. I've spoken to u on the phone about getting a job, building a roll online and staking. Even offered to try and help u with an online staking deal but you weren't interested in putting the hrs in.

The dream of being the next big thing has clouded your judgement and u need to get stuff in perspective. Your young still, get your degree, get a job and build on it.
Make sure u pay Suze back tho, what you have alleged done is vile. If it's true,
Be honest and fix it. Even if off the forum.



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 16, 2014, 02:03:34 AM
Firstly: I don't remember the busto hand at all?  But the day before you said that you got the hand mixed up with the JJ hand?  Your memory comes across as extremely selective at best.

Secondly:  Never seen that sharkscope graph before? Because nobody can see it unless YOU go on the website and opt in.

Thirdly:  I won't be responding to tomsom for ease.  That's a contradiction of the post before where you said you would only respond to backers.  The next post was spent mostly responding to everyone who sided with you and avoiding the questions that were been asked.

Fourth:  I am been victimised.  No idea why?

This post could be literally endless, just read your last 3 or 4 posts and try and see the obscene amount of hypocrisy they contain.  You knowingly stole money from investors and LIED multiple times, most recently today.  I suggest you stop playing the victim and start making up for what you've done.  I can only echo s4ooters point that what you have done is absolutely vile.  Pay Suzanne her money you complete cretin!!!!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 16, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
Spent your morning deleting Facebook friends Pete? Guess you gotta prioritise! See u at Dtd I'd rather slap you than shake your hand


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 16, 2014, 01:51:48 PM
I think it would be a good thing if pete came on here and replied to the posts that have been made.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 16, 2014, 01:59:53 PM
He hasnt deleted me yet so Im still hopeful that I will get some contact from him to resolve this.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on February 16, 2014, 02:29:31 PM
Spent your morning deleting Facebook friends Pete? Guess you gotta prioritise! See u at Dtd I'd rather slap you than shake your hand

I personally think it's for the best he's deleted the vast majority of poker playing people, including myself.

He needs a long step back from the poker community whilst things are in the process of being resolved (hopefully), and I doubt any of us will see him until he has rectified this all.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tommy Bingham on February 16, 2014, 03:00:52 PM
I personally think him deleted everyone is wrong and from how he has avoided consistant questioning on here regarding our concerns, I just hope he isnt using as a strategy for him to hide.

Now the truth has been proven, I feel it is only fair we give him 24 hours to release a statement of resolve to Suzanne. There are many questions which Suzanne needs answers to and how he intends to resolve this situation is key.

Many people have made mistakes, he is not the first. But, admitting and handling acusations and mistakes is most important. There are some super nice guys on blonde who have made a mistake, but their resolve to the matters have been brilliant.
I hope this blog continues to be up, only so trusted people on here are able to offer both Pete and Suzanne advise and monitor the situation with her (if she wants to) so she isn't isolated in trying to get what she feels is fair and hers.

There have been several people who have put their reputation on the line to get the truth out. It was never a witch hunt. I admit, there were several people who had piror knowledge and concerns who were only trying to get Pete to step up and tell the truth. Reading back, it is very easy to depict which answers are false and (as someone has said) it is literally written as a lie.

Poker staking is fragile and is based on trust. Especially when selling to people with small or no knowledge of what poker is.

Please Pete, noone is against you. It is only fair that you keep in touch with people affected to make a mends.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 16, 2014, 03:05:43 PM
Spent your morning deleting Facebook friends Pete? Guess you gotta prioritise! See u at Dtd I'd rather slap you than shake your hand

I personally think it's for the best he's deleted the vast majority of poker playing people, including myself.

He needs a long step back from the poker community whilst things are in the process of being resolved (hopefully), and I doubt any of us will see him until he has rectified this all.

Agree with jgill.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 16, 2014, 03:13:45 PM
I personally think him deleted everyone is wrong and from how he has avoided consistant questioning on here regarding our concerns, I just hope he isnt using as a strategy for him to hide.

Now the truth has been proven, I feel it is only fair we give him 24 hours to release a statement of resolve to Suzanne. There are many questions which Suzanne needs answers to and how he intends to resolve this situation is key.

Many people have made mistakes, he is not the first. But, admitting and handling acusations and mistakes is most important. There are some super nice guys on blonde who have made a mistake, but their resolve to the matters have been brilliant.
I hope this blog continues to be up, only so trusted people on here are able to offer both Pete and Suzanne advise and monitor the situation with her (if she wants to) so she isn't isolated in trying to get what she feels is fair and hers.

There have been several people who have put their reputation on the line to get the truth out. It was never a witch hunt. I admit, there were several people who had piror knowledge and concerns who were only trying to get Pete to step up and tell the truth. Reading back, it is very easy to depict which answers are false and (as someone has said) it is literally written as a lie.

Poker staking is fragile and is based on trust. Especially when selling to people with small or no knowledge of what poker is.

Please Pete, noone is against you. It is only fair that you keep in touch with people affected to make a mends.

He hasn't deleted Suzanne, who is really the only person that matters in all this.

Suzanne knows plenty of people are available for advice, if she needs it. Issue statements and all that shite counts for nothing really.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: scotty77 on February 16, 2014, 03:14:41 PM
Pretty obvious what happened.

Guy sells 90% of himself in a comp.

When he actually wins and shares out the money, rather than thinking he's won £900 it actually feels like he's 'lost' £8100.

Saw an opportunity to get more money out of it, which he felt was justified as everyone still made a decent profit on their investments

And the FB deleting thing is prob because people get silly on the internet and may post stuff on his wall for his non poker friends to see, messages to family etc.

Let the guy have time.  If he wants to sort it and set foot in DTD again, he will come back with a plan.  While what he's done is terrible, it certainly isn't the end of the world.  He's young, naive and also been pretty skint for a while.

If not then prob GG for poker for him.  And for some people saying bye bye to poker is actually the best thing.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2014, 03:30:04 PM
Surely it's a good thing for family/non poker friends to know their family member / mate is a thief?

As someone who has been grimmed twice (fortunately got my money back both times) I think some people are far too lenient and quick to forgive. I believe in second chances but only after they have learned their lesson or at least had time to think about it..

Obv the actual monetary figure we are talking about here is relatively small but the intention behind what happened isn't.

If we just go around snap forgiving everyone saying "no worries, shit happens, pay me back whenever" then what's to stop it happening again.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tommy Bingham on February 16, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
I personally think him deleted everyone is wrong and from how he has avoided consistant questioning on here regarding our concerns, I just hope he isnt using as a strategy for him to hide.

Now the truth has been proven, I feel it is only fair we give him 24 hours to release a statement of resolve to Suzanne. There are many questions which Suzanne needs answers to and how he intends to resolve this situation is key.

Many people have made mistakes, he is not the first. But, admitting and handling acusations and mistakes is most important. There are some super nice guys on blonde who have made a mistake, but their resolve to the matters have been brilliant.
I hope this blog continues to be up, only so trusted people on here are able to offer both Pete and Suzanne advise and monitor the situation with her (if she wants to) so she isn't isolated in trying to get what she feels is fair and hers.

There have been several people who have put their reputation on the line to get the truth out. It was never a witch hunt. I admit, there were several people who had piror knowledge and concerns who were only trying to get Pete to step up and tell the truth. Reading back, it is very easy to depict which answers are false and (as someone has said) it is literally written as a lie.

Poker staking is fragile and is based on trust. Especially when selling to people with small or no knowledge of what poker is.

Please Pete, noone is against you. It is only fair that you keep in touch with people affected to make a mends.

He hasn't deleted Suzanne, who is really the only person that matters in all this.

Suzanne knows plenty of people are available for advice, if she needs it. Issue statements and all that shite counts for nothing really.

The reason for the statement was due to the fact of him owing £400 to her in the past. He spent it and to date she still hasnt got it back.

I don't personally know Suzanne, so was only trying to make sure there is support. Thats all.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 16, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
Surely it's a good thing for family/non poker friends to know their family member / mate is a thief?

As someone who has been grimmed twice (fortunately got my money back both times) I think some people are far too lenient and quick to forgive. I believe in second chances but only after they have learned their lesson or at least had time to think about it..

Obv the actual monetary figure we are talking about here is relatively small but the intention behind what happened isn't.

If we just go around snap forgiving everyone saying "no worries, shit happens, pay me back whenever" then what's to stop it happening again.


Agree totally


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Tal on February 16, 2014, 04:16:18 PM
Surely it's a good thing for family/non poker friends to know their family member / mate is a thief?

As someone who has been grimmed twice (fortunately got my money back both times) I think some people are far too lenient and quick to forgive. I believe in second chances but only after they have learned their lesson or at least had time to think about it..

Obv the actual monetary figure we are talking about here is relatively small but the intention behind what happened isn't.

If we just go around snap forgiving everyone saying "no worries, shit happens, pay me back whenever" then what's to stop it happening again
.

Did I miss that post?

Or does it qualify if someone just didn't suggest beating him up?

I don't expect everyone will agree on something as emotive as this. A lot of us have been owed money and only the lucky ones get it paid back. Treating each case on its merits and allowing the people involved to sort it out themselves first is just common sense.

If you're thinking of showing up at DTD giving it the full Dog the Bounty Hunter routine, I suspect you'll be kept busy with others, too.

Millidonk, you've got a wonderful and clear sense of right and wrong. Your passion for that always comes through in your posts. But not everyone sees things in the same terms. Let the people involved sort it out. It might be that those affected actually feel the same as you and that will come out in the wash. What I would hate is for this thread to make anything worse than it already is.

FWIW, I'm not condoning what's happened but how I would feel in Suzanne's position doesn't matter. The irony is, a few days ago, there were comments about it being a witch hunt by a few people. Now it's at risk of becoming something worse and I think those who read this thread as outsiders should think carefully before posting anything.

I know blonde doesn't lock threads for this kind of stuff, but as IceShade might well not come back to the thread, I do have to question what good can come of keeping it open for comment.

I'll now take my own advice and not post again ITT.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: celtic on February 16, 2014, 04:18:29 PM
I'm gonna batter fk out of millimug at the weekend. Eso told me he's got really short legs.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
Surely it's a good thing for family/non poker friends to know their family member / mate is a thief?

As someone who has been grimmed twice (fortunately got my money back both times) I think some people are far too lenient and quick to forgive. I believe in second chances but only after they have learned their lesson or at least had time to think about it..

Obv the actual monetary figure we are talking about here is relatively small but the intention behind what happened isn't.

If we just go around snap forgiving everyone saying "no worries, shit happens, pay me back whenever" then what's to stop it happening again
.

Did I miss that post?

Or does it qualify if someone just didn't suggest beating him up?

I don't expect everyone will agree on something as emotive as this. A lot of us have been owed money and only the lucky ones get it paid back. Treating each case on its merits and allowing the people involved to sort it out themselves first is just common sense.

If you're thinking of showing up at DTD giving it the full Dog the Bounty Hunter routine, I suspect you'll be kept busy with others, too.

Millidonk, you've got a wonderful and clear sense of right and wrong. Your passion for that always comes through in your posts. But not everyone sees things in the same terms. Let the people involved sort it out. It might be that those affected actually feel the same as you and that will come out in the wash. What I would hate is for this thread to make anything worse than it already is.

FWIW, I'm not condoning what's happened but how I would feel in Suzanne's position doesn't matter. The irony is, a few days ago, there were comments about it being a witch hunt by a few people. Now it's at risk of becoming something worse and I think those who read this thread as outsiders should think carefully before posting anything.

I know blonde doesn't lock threads for this kind of stuff, but as IceShade might well not come back to the thread, I do have to question what good can come of keeping it open for comment.

I'll now take my own advice and not post again ITT.

Tal, thanks for trying to paint me as a mindless thug but if anything it is your post which is more likely to escalate things. The bolded part in my post wasn't too far off the mark but you made quite a big leap from me not snap forgiving people to talks of violence.

I agree that it is the lucky ones who get it back; One of the ways I got £6k back for me and my friends was by letting the grimmer's sister know of the situation who subsequently took out a loan and paid us all back. I actually didn't inform one of my friends that his money had been lost as he is a bit of a wrong un and would have snap resorted to violence, which I do not condone. I on the other hand chose not to speak to him for a couple of years before we made up.

I received the sarcastic tone in your post loud and clear and whilst I do not think every such circumstance is black and white I do think it is quite clear cut here. If you re-read JGill's post it was transparent what the guy planned to do and from the tone of his replies it is also appears that he isn't too sorry for it..

The great thing about an open forum on the internet is that the majority of the time we get to put our views across whether people agree with them or not.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2014, 04:39:40 PM
I'm gonna batter fk out of millimug at the weekend. Eso told me he's got really short legs.

millimug. I like it. Name change please MOD?

Mate, I will just make sure I am by the cameras then take whatever you have to give then sue you for attempted GBH.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 16, 2014, 04:55:27 PM
Peter has been in touch with me via facebook.

He said it was never his intentions to con me out of any money and that it was all an oversight which happened at a time when he was preoccupied with going to USA etc, not sure I believe him but thats another matter.

He said he is in a lot of debt at the moment and not sure how long it will take but that he will pay me back the £1k. Meanwhile he is staying away from poker until this is sorted.

He also said he will not be posting on this thread but asked me to post when he has paid me back in full which I have agreed to do.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2014, 05:00:56 PM
Peter has been in touch with me via facebook.

He said it was never his intentions to con me out of any money and that it was all an oversight which happened at a time when he was preoccupied with going to USA etc, not sure I believe him but thats another matter.

He said he is in a lot of debt at the moment and not sure how long it will take but that he will pay me back the £1k. Meanwhile he is staying away from poker until this is sorted.

He also said he will not be posting on this thread but asked me to post when he has paid me back in full which I have agreed to do.

Sounds like a good plan. Hope you get your money back soon.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on February 16, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Peter has been in touch with me via facebook.

He said it was never his intentions to con me out of any money and that it was all an oversight which happened at a time when he was preoccupied with going to USA etc, not sure I believe him but thats another matter.

He said he is in a lot of debt at the moment and not sure how long it will take but that he will pay me back the £1k. Meanwhile he is staying away from poker until this is sorted.

He also said he will not be posting on this thread but asked me to post when he has paid me back in full which I have agreed to do.

Sounds like a good plan. Hope you get your money back soon.


I hope so too for his peace of mind more than anything.

Thank you to everyone who has helped to try and sort out this tricky situation.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 16, 2014, 06:26:01 PM
Preoccupied with going to the USA?lol plzzzzzz .suppose this situation is non of my business but seeing as I've backed in the past a few time and did support I've got the right to think its BS.
Clouded minds most of all Pete's
I hope he sorts this out and gets his life sorted insted of making excuses


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: kano on February 16, 2014, 11:40:43 PM
Blonde seems to be a magnet for these scumbags, shame people take advantage of a friendly forum like this one.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: TightEnd on February 16, 2014, 11:46:29 PM
Not really. Poker itself has issues. This problem did not occur on blonde and our staking guidelines prevented it being a potential issue for more posters


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: BorntoBubble on February 16, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
id say blonde has less problems then the rest of the poker community due to the network on here. Everyone knows someone who will know someone else who knows the person etc etc.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 16, 2014, 11:59:34 PM
id say blonde has less problems then the rest of the poker community due to the network on here. Everyone knows someone who will know someone else who knows that Callum Morgan is a twat etc etc.

fyp


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 17, 2014, 12:02:57 AM
id say blonde has less problems then the rest of the poker community due to the network on here. Everyone knows someone who will know someone else who knows that Ross Patman is shit at poker

fyp

FYP again


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: theprawnidentity on February 17, 2014, 12:03:51 AM
I'd make some tea tighty, this may take some time!!!!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Steve Swift on February 17, 2014, 08:41:02 AM
Blonde seems to be a magnet for these scumbags, shame people take advantage of a friendly forum like this one.

Strange world isn't it.  I was about to post and say the opposite, but didn't really know where it should go or even if it should go but I feel that it can now.

This site is the only site where I feel as safe as is possible in staking.  The small amount I place is with know individuals  who have solid reps, regular posters and who for the life of me you could never see doing a win and then doing a runner.  (doubt I will ever get to find out though coz my guys don't do winning :)  )  I enjoy railing when I can't play or be arsed to play and the rail these guys keep are the dogs as far as I am concerned.  They do what they say they will do in the OP

Have done a bit of staking else where and had 2 runners back to back.

Love the site and feel safe and comfortable operating with in it.  Just look how this thread as developed, yes you get a few naughty posters but you generally get every body in accord with balanced arguments, keep up the good work.

Steve


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on February 17, 2014, 10:41:57 AM
Tighty and Celtic etc, think it would be appropriate to change the blog owners name to 'Ice Shady'??!!


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: TightEnd on February 17, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
Tighty and Celtic etc, think it would be appropriate to change the blog owners name to 'Ice Shady'??!!

Now now. Lets just lets things take their natural course please Mr Woolly.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on February 17, 2014, 10:55:44 AM
Tighty and Celtic etc, think it would be appropriate to change the blog owners name to 'Ice Shady'??!!

Now now. Lets just lets things take their natural course please Mr Woolly.

Wpsir. Since you are a mod and have to uphold certain standards in your own posts, I'll say what you were really thinking - "Chris! Stop being a twat!"


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: blueace on February 18, 2014, 12:43:50 PM
And the title now changed to 'Just a kid with a lifelong nightmare'.

I too staked you Pete and oh what a silly boy you've been. I thought it strange that  you made no communication with me whatsoever, just took the money donked it and that was it.... now I see it wasnt so strange....

Fwiw, ALL previous grimmers I have read about on here have come on and made their apologies and tried to show rue for their actions. Not for you, for you its delete all those that have supported you in the past and run away. N1 WP etc etc.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: corkeye on February 19, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
Anyone got in touch with Peter?

Interested to see his stance on all of this if any?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: BangBang on February 19, 2014, 08:53:25 PM
Peter - I don't know you from Adam, but I know you'll be upset by all this. Don't worry as everyone makes mistakes, but do make a plan to set things right. Take care





Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: YEAHMAN123 on February 20, 2014, 03:08:19 PM
run rabbit run


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on March 14, 2014, 03:04:48 AM
A progress update on whats been happening.

Peter is now saying he is not able to pay me within a couple of months as he first suggested.

I felt the need to ask advice from a forum member who has kindly given me legal grade representation to sort out this situation.

Peter has agreed to sort out a payment plan when he gets a job after finishing his degree at Uni in a few months.

He has also said that he will be posting in the next few days.

I really hope he does as I would hate for all of this to ruin his chances of returning back to poker and staying silent is really not doing him any favours.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: verndog158 on March 14, 2014, 03:54:45 AM
A progress update on whats been happening.

Peter is now saying he is not able to pay me within a couple of months as he first suggested.

I felt the need to ask advice from a forum member who has kindly given me legal grade representation to sort out this situation.

Peter has agreed to sort out a payment plan when he gets a job after finishing his degree at Uni in a few months.

He has also said that he will be posting in the next few days.

I really hope he does as I would hate for all of this to ruin his chances of returning back to poker and staying silent is really not doing him any favours.

Hope it all works out for you Suzanne. I bumped into Peter in Nottingham last week, and we had a longish chat over a cup of tea. He does seem sorry, and certainly suggested he has every intention of paying you back. He also said that he was going to post something on here then, however we havent seen anything yet. I have no real idea, as i said to him, what his intentions are or where, but I do truly hope that the money owed to you is paid back.
Despite the stick and criticism  im sure he will get from certain members of the forum if he does post, i emphasized my point to him that an innocent man will always look to defend himself, and not hide, as seen in the Millidonk/Guy colluding case these past few weeks.
As i said to him, i think whatever is the truth behind the grimming, he has handled it badly and he seemed to agree.
Hope all goes well, and i hope he can pluck up the courage to post here and try to put straight his wrongdoing.

 


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: rfgqqabc on March 14, 2014, 06:41:03 AM
I really hope he does as I would hate for all of this to ruin his chances of returning back to poker and staying silent is really not doing him any favours.

Serious?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: shipitgood on March 14, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
I don't know you OP.

It strikes me that an awful lot of people have been very supportive and helped you out in various ways.

Damage has been done for sure, but it is not to late to do the right thing.

Don't know what age you are, 20, 21? You made a mistake, put it right, that's the best thing you can do right now.

Actions speak louder than words, pay back the people you owe money to.

While at uni are you working? Even if it was only 15 hours a week it will be bringing in some money.

In a couple of months it will be the summer holidays, you could easily get a job work hard and pay back the money you owe to people.




 


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Ice Shade on March 15, 2014, 08:55:00 PM
Ugh. This is going to hurt...I'll say from the outset that i've come to this with absolutely no plan what to say. And I'm VERY aware that a large amount of people will likely write off what I say as complete bullshit and keep calling for my head. But whatever, I've wanted to post something since this all kicked off...but there was no way I was going to when it had all started. I'm also not replying to a single thing, one suggestion I got was to have this as an independent statement free of anything else. And it's an idea I like.

Although that said the one person I want to thank for all of this is verndog. Bumping into you was the most random chance ive seen in a while. But the conversation was an enlightening one and something I clearly needed. Thanks man, means alot.


I'm a fool. I'm a fucking idiot and I'll put my hands up to it. At no point am I going to play the "ive been victimized" card because its just simply not true. The way this all came about was stupid to say the very least and, i'll admit, the way i handled this was just as bad. The logic behind it was that all I wanted to do was to sort it out with Suzanne with absolutely no outside interference. I did not believe anyone could be impartial. There was one or two messages that I received that literally gave no shits for any personal circumstances or anything of the like. The idea being if I didn't produce the money straight away then nothing I did from there was going to be enough. That was precisely what I wanted to avoid. Deleting everyone however, was a knee jerk reaction on the nighttime, and something I have grown to regret.

One thing I will stand by literally until the day I die. This was NOT, at ANY stage, done with intent. None, at all, ever. A quote that has been given did indeed get said, but (and im aware nobody will believe this) that was me making light of a situation I was planning to sort out down the line. My logic was that I wanted nobody to know of the deal until everything had died down. At the time had anyone said it then the "no deals policy" was going to have the book thrown at me. Some I trusted to keep it quiet (and those there on the day I couldn't realistically keep it from, would have been close to impossible). But I had this horrible image of someone telling a close mate, then someone else hearing about it and it spread like wildfire. If there is one thing I have learnt from this experience, is that when something looks bad the entire poker world finds out like like an epidemic. So in hindsight I stand by that decision.

Not sorting it out was a result of America, again, stand by that. But the fact is its a horrible yet avoidable oversight. I won't claim for one second that the fact my life flipped on its head is reason enough.

The one thing I took a look at and still don't understand is a thought process nobody has used. People make out this was malicious, that I effectively said "fuck her, its my money". Has nobody considered the fact that IF I was to be malicious...Why of all people would I fuck over the woman that has defended me the most, supported me the most, showed faith in my game the most and invested the most? Surely people must think I'm not so stupid to consider that? Also another fact that again, I'm surprised people haven't touched on. If I was malicious with this, why would I give a shit to pay it back? I'm sorting this because it was an avoidable mistake that I'm completely ashamed of. I am not for one second doing it because of some obligation to the community. I love you guys, I'd have never started this blog if I didn't. But I do this because I feel I've betrayed the trust of someone I'd have given the world in effort for. Not because a few people might hate me if I don't. Not sure what people think of that thought process but I feel if I was paying this because "I wanted people off my back" then I am doing it for all the wrong reasons.


As I've said. All I can do is apologize from the bottom of my heart. I'm not innocent, but I am stupid and naive. I have no idea what people will say to this. I would imagine, for the majority. It won't be good. But at this point I want to get this fixed. I don't want this on my conscious anymore, the states ive been in from this are not something I ever want to repeat. With regards to how I plan to pay Suzanne, that has been sorted between the three of us. I wont name the third unless they feel they want to. People might not like how fast I'm capable of doing it. But I'm trying. I'm upset for those that feel dissapointed in me as well. I never had the intention of doing that. I'd have never kept playing this game if that was the case.

As for the game itself. I won't be making any sweeping statements as to where I go from here. There's a reasonable chance I don't step into dusk for some time (If they even let me back in at all) even after this is all sorted. I still want to be the best. I still want to do well. But other things are going to take priority first. I've managed to salvage a degree that was under 48 hours away from falling apart. That is now my overriding priority. From there once everything is behind us. Chances are I will play exclusively online with the intention of qualifying for the majors. With regards to this blog however I MAY come back to it. But it's most certainly not going to be until this is fixed. And even then I might leave it a while/altogether. Not going to lie I'm not sure people would give a shit about stories on here if they were from me.

I'm sorry. Seriously. Repairing the damage is my priority. Be sure of that.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: George2Loose on March 15, 2014, 08:56:57 PM
First


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: dreenie on March 16, 2014, 11:44:49 PM
The most ridiculious apology I've ever seen on this forum. Is this your idea of apologising? Or is it "oh let's all feel sorry for me".

I don't know you from Adam, but you sound so self pitying it's beyond a joke, "I will not reply to another post itt" blah blah, it's pathetic.



Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: rfgqqabc on March 17, 2014, 06:33:43 PM
One thing I will stand by literally until the day I die. This was NOT, at ANY stage, done with intent. None, at all, ever. A quote that has been given did indeed get said, but (and im aware nobody will believe this) that was me making light of a situation I was planning to sort out down the line. My logic was that I wanted nobody to know of the deal until everything had died down. At the time had anyone said it then the "no deals policy" was going to have the book thrown at me. Some I trusted to keep it quiet (and those there on the day I couldn't realistically keep it from, would have been close to impossible). But I had this horrible image of someone telling a close mate, then someone else hearing about it and it spread like wildfire. If there is one thing I have learnt from this experience, is that when something looks bad the entire poker world finds out like like an epidemic. So in hindsight I stand by that decision.


The one thing I took a look at and still don't understand is a thought process nobody has used. People make out this was malicious, that I effectively said "fuck her, its my money". Has nobody considered the fact that IF I was to be malicious...Why of all people would I fuck over the woman that has defended me the most, supported me the most, showed faith in my game the most and invested the most? Surely people must think I'm not so stupid to consider that? Also another fact that again, I'm surprised people haven't touched on. If I was malicious with this, why would I give a shit to pay it back? I'm sorting this because it was an avoidable mistake that I'm completely ashamed of. I am not for one second doing it because of some obligation to the community. I love you guys, I'd have never started this blog if I didn't. But I do this because I feel I've betrayed the trust of someone I'd have given the world in effort for. Not because a few people might hate me if I don't. Not sure what people think of that thought process but I feel if I was paying this because "I wanted people off my back" then I am doing it for all the wrong reasons.


I'm pretty sure you could have paid Suzanne her fair share and she wouldn't have outted you to DTD. How is the money not going from your account to hers anything but malicious? I know of one case where something like this happened because a guy lost track of the bills coming out of his account on a stake, and he went into his savings asap to fix the issue. This was nothing like that. It looks to me like your paying it back because you got caught and have decided going to DTD/posting on blonde is important to you, rather than having a change of heart or righting wrongs. If it was an honest mistake how come it came out like it did? I just don't understand how this can be considered anything but malicious?


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: nirvana on March 17, 2014, 06:48:56 PM
You sound tortured and, genuinely, that's not nice to see.

I hope the mea culpa helps you feel better but you might find it a more powerful catharsis if you just said 'I stole, I lied, got caught - now ima pay it back by  _ _ / _ _ / 14'.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on April 17, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Pleased to report we are 30% of the way there, looks like the lad is going to keep his word :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: Rexas on April 18, 2014, 11:00:20 PM
This is good news, Suzanne. This whole episode has been most unpleasant, but hopefully Pete has learnt some lessons here which will stand him in good stead for the future. I think it would be wise for Pete to stay away from staking for a significantly long time, and try to get a degree and some money behind him before he considers a return to poker. I would hope, despite his responses itt, that he understands that people here were not bullying him or commenting out of personal dislike and also that what he has done is plain for the community to see, and rebuilding the trust he has lost will be an arduous task.

Thanks for keeping us updated Suzanne, despite lack of responses people are still following this and hoping Pete sorts himself out.

Glgl.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on January 16, 2015, 01:02:58 AM
I said I would update when Peter had paid me back the £1k so I am very pleased to say he has now done this. :)


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: shipitgood on January 16, 2015, 01:15:54 AM
Good stuff! Great to hear he squared up with you.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: suzanne on January 16, 2015, 01:23:48 AM
It was a rocky ride but we got there in the end.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: KarmaDope on January 16, 2015, 01:30:13 AM
Good to hear this.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: shipitgood on January 16, 2015, 01:32:35 AM
You handled the situation really well.

Hopefully the op (of this thread) has learned an important lesson and can move on from this.


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: redsimon on January 16, 2015, 06:53:43 AM
Glad you finally got your cash back Suze x


Title: Re: The Wild Rollercoaster - Just A Kid With A Lifelong Dream
Post by: JGill_DTD on October 24, 2016, 04:44:24 AM
Had seen Peter recently selling for the WPT500 on facebook, asked advice from various people as to what, if any action should be taken and all seemed to suggest bumping this thread so people are aware of this past issue in regards to backing due to it now being a reasonable amount of time ago (despite the finances being settled).