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No book spoilers though

So we can talk about Purple Wedding in here?

Incredible episode and not at all where you expected it to go following Midget Pantomime.

Oof! superb episode

Peter Dinklage is a brilliant actor

i have read the books, won't spoil, but there are all sorts of fun and games now

Obv not what TightEnd is doing here but can we also keep "suggestive" spoilers away please. I.e. it you've read the books no comments such as "next weeks episode will be good" or "x event was significant keep watching to find out why".

Bet next week is good though ;) (they all are innit)

Brilliant episode.  Wasn't expecting it to end like that at all, but couldn't help a little fist-pump as the credits rolled.

Amazing episode.

Dinklage and Joffrey are the best two things about the show IMO. I hope they dont kill off Dinklage, but what balls to kill off Joffrey (by the book author obv, not HBO). Lets not forget that he is a young kid, what a brilliant actor.

Sounds awful, but I really wanted him to die by someone's hands, maybe one of Shaun Beans daughters, but well played either way.

Im guessing its that new bisexual badass guy that arranged it.

Yesterday I'd just caught a glimpse of a headline on a website which said something like 'What did you think of the surprise death in GoT last night?' and just managed to avoid seeing any more.

So I knew something was coming and was trying to spot who it was. First guess was Tyrion's hooker girlfriend, but then she got packed away on the ship. Then I thought that Joffrey was going to chop the head of one of the dwarves doing the show. Then I thought he was going to kill Tyrion.

So at the end I was all

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My big hope for now on is that the newly widowed Margery starts putting it about a bit and has some explicit and gratuitous sexytime.

Recently started watching GoT, have watched all of it within last month and am fully up to date. Love it.

For those who have read the books, how long do we have left of the tv series? Any idea?

The books aren't finished yet and, as I understand it, the TV series will catch up in a couple of years, meaning GRR Martin will either have to spoil the book by giving away what happens so it can go in the TV series or the two things will diverge away from each other.

I listened to a podcast this morning that suggested that the purple wedding last night was well ahead of the expected pace and the books will be caught up sooner than anticipated.

Will make for a very interesting situation when the final book/final series is planned.

they are currently in the 4th series of six planned tv series. filiming starts on s5 in may, finishing this november

there are six books, with a seventh not released/in writing. currently the new tv series is around book 4, part of book 5 though it jumps around a bit

pretty faithful to the source text

Martin has given the outline of the last book to HBO and the screenwriters in case he dies before he completes the last book! After all, this year is 4 years in the writing and counting....

"Ned Stark wakes up and it was all a dream and he's happy because he's not dead and Sheff Utd are in the Westeros Cup final"

all the speculation is on who poisoned him, but who would technically be next in line to the throne?
Uncle Jamie?
Back to mum?
There's a brother and sister for Joffrey too isn't there?
A Tyrell?

Only temporary till those dragons finally arrive who ever it is :)

looking forward to seeing it play out.

there's a younger brother, next in line

the facebook status "its complicated" could be written for this!

What's happened to Robert's bastard son, last seen being attempted 'murdered/sexed' by Melisandre? I can't remember his name?

Re pace of books vs TV:

The fourth and fifth books aren't chronological so it is likely that the next two series will mix and match a bit, joining up for the sixth.

GRRM has already told the two exec producers of hbo show the broad strokes of what happens and GoT might even tell some 'prehistory' stories whilst waiting for book 7.

It's a bit like you've made Lord of the Rings and are waiting for the last part. In the meantime you can tell the stories from other parts of the the Tolkein (or in this case GRRM) universe.

for some reason this post really tickled me.

It was Sansa that did it wasn't it? When she passed the cup to the little fella after it fell under the table?

That was my thinking, straight after watching it just now.

I hope it was the fool. That would be ace.

Wasn't it a different cup from the other end of the table from the one that Sansa picked up?

Sansa had no clue, my guess it was the fool on the orders of that bisexual badass guy.

Or the grandmother of Joffreys new bride.

The Joffrey  actor is quitting acting forever aged 21

Think he has a theatre company in Dublin that he wants to keep doing. Something about acting becoming too much of a job and not enough of a passion or so.

Shame really (although gl to him) because his performances as Joffrey have been incred.

People genuinely *hate* him and fist pumped his demise a lot and that's a really hard thing to do I think.

Littlefinger tho......

If they split each book into 2 (DWD into 3) there's 4 or 5 more series already written. Plus another book next year? Should be fine time wise. Word is HBO know the full plot anyway.

Was it just me or was Littlefinger turning the husky voice up to eleven?  Maybe it was all that fog.

Solid set up episode tonight.  Some character progression and nice setting the scene.

And just when I think GoT has broken every taboo we have continued incest of a rapey vibe with the parents of the dead child on the slab next to them.  Never saw that coming.

Thought we got reminded of a few characters' true nature last night.
Jamie had started to seem a very sympathetic character, but he's a dangerous guy.
Tywin getting what's always essentially his reign back on track. (and Charles Dance is just fabulous in that role)
The Hound. Just when we were thinking he was a soft at heart baby sitter for Arya Stark, we're reminded he's a ruthless mercenary.
Little Finger seemed a bit of a weaselly but toothless player in the court, but he went up several rungs on the dudes-to-be-taken-seriously ladder.

And that's some army Daenerys is putting together. I always enjoy that last 10-15 mins with her.
Sure that story will take another couple of seasons to really hot up.

Littlefingers voice pisses me off. It was fine in season 1 then just sent weird after that for some reason.

the director has come out with a statement saying that it wasn't meant to be a rape scene btw

Accidentally found out who killed Joffrey at work today ffs

Less rape, more 'struggle cuddle'.

No means no, even when it's that psycho bitch.

intentional or not, it was a rape scene.

She was kissing him throughout.

seemed to me to be on the receiving end while saying no

Interwebs seems to generally agree it was a rape scene.
People crying because the Jamie Character may never recover.
The Lannisters are clearly power mad mentalists.
Seems in keeping with the character to me.

very much this for me like.

Yep, we are talking about someone who crippled a child in the first episode so she could shag his sister.

Much love for "struggle cuddle" :D :D :D

GRRM explains it in the comments here

http://grrm.livejournal.com/367116.html

don't think there are any spoilers

Yeah - it's like listening to Christian Bale as Batman

One of the negative aspects of GoT is that, with all the disparate characters and strands, some are just worse than others. Fat Sam and the Wildling girl was boring, and the Hodor/cripple/others group have had one scene in 3 hours and that was a waste of time.

The stuff in King's Landing and Dragonlady are so much more interesting than most of the rest.

Yeah that is the worst part, I really hope they are going somewhere with that as it cuts into Peter Dinklage time. It reminds me of Sun & Jin episodes of Lost, or elderly episodes of Blind Date.

I keep hoping they stumble into a wedding...

Re-watched the first 3 seasons over the bank holiday weekend and it's changed my opinion on the Joffrey killer.

I hadn't realised how much of an evil little bitch the new queen is (although she is amazing obviously) and that's probably where my money would now be. She was feeding him some dove pie right before he bought it as well.

If it was her then obviously it was in conjunction with the evil Grandma (also amazing but in different ways).

Tywin also has to be a suspect as he needs a more manageable grandson on the throne. I wouldn't be hugely shocked if it turned out that Tywin and Grandma had sorted it between them.

That is my current thinking also. Totally in keeping with everything we've seen, I'd guess the new queen has nowt to do with it.

I would have loved either Sansa or Arya to actually have stabbed the little bastard instead though.

Or maybe Jamie did it because he was totally jonesing for some dead-son-corpse-borderline-rape-struggle-cuddle-incest-nookie

Isn't it confirmed little finger masterminded it all? Surely tywin wouldn't allow Sansa to fescape.

He played a part, but doubtful. He doesnt gain much from it really

Don't you think Grandma would have waited a little longer than at the wedding before offing him?  Even if she does intend to take over Kings Landing, I would think giving it a day or so would be minimum.  Also it doesn't look like the new fit queen will be queen for much longer if she is at all.  If the kid brother becomes king she'll be out surely?  I don't see how it suits their family to have him die so soon.

I personally like the Bran storyline although I admit they have become a Velma-less Scooby Doo Gang and would like them to get where they are going nowish.  I personally think Bran is the thread which will run throughout the series (probably get his head chopped off next week now I've said that).

Loving the Tywin character.  Honestly don't know if he's the master puppeteer of the Purple Wedding or that he's such a great political survivor that there isn't a circumstance he cannot take advantage of and use to the benefit of his House.  Dance is obviously wonderful in the role.

Could do with The Wall/Castle Black storyline kicking into gear though.  The last two seasons were essentially 'We marched out, we saw scary things, some of us died, we marched back in.'

Yeah agree.

I think Vaerys has something to do with it, him and his little birds.

roflaments

GRRM sez

At the same time, what Jaime did is interesting. I don't have any kids myself, but I've talked with other people who have. Remember, Jaime isn't just trying to kill Bran because he's an annoying little kid. Bran has seen something that is basically a death sentence for Jaime, for Cersei, and their children – their three actual children. So I've asked people who do have children, "Well, what would you do in Jaime's situation?" They say, "Well, I'm not a bad guy – I wouldn't kill." Are you sure? Never? If Bran tells King Robert he's going to kill you and your sister-lover, and your three children. . . .

Then many of them hesitate. Probably more people than not would say, "Yeah, I would kill someone else's child to save my own child, even if that other child was innocent." These are the difficult decisions people make, and they're worth examining




No character is completely good or evil (except cersei maybe!)
Great interview here but it will spoil you on how joff was killed so work that out first

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/george-r-r-martin-the-rolling-stone-interview-20140423

You know some psychopaths :)

So much going n!!!

So goooooooood.

Really surprised it was revealed so quickly, like.

Another very good episode.

Lots of stuff to cover I guess.

Liked also the thing with Khaleesi in the city. No massive fight scene similar to a lot of stuff they've done before, just 'here are some slaves, masters nailed to wall, we love meesa, move on with story'

Obviously part of the New Queen/Natalie Dormer fan club (http://www.gq.com/women/photos/201404/natalie-dormer-game-of-thrones) as well, even if her scene with Thommen was a little creepy.

Bit for everyone last night, and there was even some Tikay porn thrown in ;D

I'm surprised to find out he is actually 16, looks about 12 at most.

Would they be allowed to do a sex scene with the two of them if he was under 16 ?

Spent the last two years reading the books. Won't spoil it for anyone, but amazed how much they differed(subtle tweaks like Bron never taught Jaimie to fight left handed, in the book it was Ilyn, the guy that chopped Ned Starks head off)from what went on in last nights episode, which leaves you sabre rattling at screen, but brilliant stuff nonetheless.

he's 6 in the book i think. all the children are older on TV for this reason. GRRM is a very sick puppy. for example on paper dany and her translator are banging which would be awesome on TV but in the books dany is 14 and the translator only 11. last weeks hunt scene, in the books (old) Reek gets to bang the dead bodies. TV is rightly massively censored.

Pretty sure they had a little joke with us in that scene because we were all thinking the same thing, then when Margaery went in for the kiss I thought 'She's not going to snog a child, is she?', then she paused and kissed him on the forehead instead.

Good to seen that Brann's storyline has finally gone somewhere but I can't remember if we've met the mutineers before - there's so many people in this I lose track.

I think we have met them before.  I think one of them had a run in with Jon Snow when he first went to the Wall.  I know what you mean about keeping up with characters though.  I knew I had seen Locke somewhere before but I couldn't place him at all but it wasn't until I read a recap I realised he is one of Roose Boltons henchmen he had sent to look for Brann so the scenes with him in this week had pretty much gone over my head as I watched the show.

they killed the dude in charge remember? and craster was the guy banging his daughters

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsrJ3cxi0Cg

Reminded me of this

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQRVf7JuZts

The actor who played Ilyn Payne has been diagnosed with cancer and retired from acting.  That was the reason given for this change, however they may have went that way anyway.  I've not read the books but I imagine having a mute train him and therefore someone who cannot tell another soul really works.  However it probably wouldn't work on TV without Jamie constantly monologuing, which in turn wouldn't make sense for his present mind set.

Stupidly I have erased the second episode from my TiVo, is anyone who still has it able to look if The Tyrel Queen Mother palms a stone from the necklace in the scene where she says to Sansa 'What sort of beast murders someone at a wedding?'  So much win if that little snippet is in there.

Cracking episode.  Whitewalkers!!

Seems as good place to post this as any.

I am sure I am behind the curve but have only just come across "Honest Trailers".

Game of Thrones Series 1-3.

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Very good :)

Clearly a slow day yesterday as I made a few of my own:

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Too good!

For anyone that hasn't seen this yet... Old but classic

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ

Just continues to get better.

Solving the 'who killed John Arryn' riddle was an amazing reveal four seasons in the making.

Lot less adverts this week!

Sky+ FTW
9pm, put kettle on
9:15, sit down and watch GOT without adverts :)

I normally do, but usually there's a high number of ad breaks, this week I only recall one.  It seems that there is usually one every 10-15 minutes.

They announced this week that there will only be one advert per episode from now on.

Peter Dinklage........ Just wow.

Absolutely loved this week's episode. Tywin and Tyrion will get the headlines but I thought the interactions between Theon/Reek and Ramsey Snow were outstanding as well.

Top marks!

Tyrion is an absolute hero, and might just be my favourite character of all time.

Great episode, I'll probably stop watching if they ever kill off dinklage

Both Dinklage and Charles Dance are fantastic actors

the Season 3 scenes they had together were fantastic TV

both characters absolute highlights of a great series

No love for Ramsey Snow? Think he is developing into a fine character and his utter destruction of Theon/Reek is very unsettling. Psychotically brilliant and very well acted (not sure of the actors name, I know he was in Misfits!)

Love that Mark Gatiss turned up as the head of the Iron Bank!

Reek/Theon so unsettling and can tell it's building somewhere huge.

Cannot wait for Tyrion storyline to come to a real head, hopefully next week.

I know the books are amazing (read first couple and a bit) but am now determined not to spoiler myself so will read post TV series :D

I know it goes very much against the grain, but I think Dinkerlage over acts it at times.
Not the physical aspects of it. His facial expressions are fine, and even the tone of delivery is fine, it's just the accent is REALLY bad.
The character is great, and I think he's safe from the chop (although you never know).
I'm imagining Jamie v Bron in the trail by combat. Good night for one of them. You'd think more likely Bron, but as that would mean guilty and death for Tyrion, and I think that's unlikely too.

Good stuff though :)

Completely ruined it for me. Couldn't take anything he said seriously :D :D :D

Jamie vs Bron would be great, in fact makes perfect sense given they have been training together.

The way I read it is that Tyrion either intends to ask, or Jamie will volunteer, to fight for Tyrion.

I think either scenario could happen.

It could go with Tyrion being asked who he picks first, he says Bron, then his dad picks Jamie for a real headfuck of a fight.

Or he could pick Jamie to fight for him, which would then put Jamie in hot water with his dad about their previous oath.

Either one seems pretty badass to me. In another show you would assume they would find a way for Bron, Jamie and Tyrion all to live, but this is GOT.

gut feeling (cheesy as this scenario sounds) is that Jamie is selected to fight for the crown and Tyrion selects Bron or Bron actively volunteers.
Then Bron sacrifices himself in someway in a deal that sees Tyrion live but in someway banished, either to the wall, or somewhere else.

not ruling out some sort of escape though with Bron surviving, either organised by Jamie or Varys, prompted by Tyrions one question, or some combination of the two. Sure he'll be involved in it some way. also suspect that Oberyn Martell chap who's judging it might throw a curve ball in to piss Tywin off. Maybe he'll even fight for Tyrion. Hmmm

Long time between Mondays huh?

Accent is bad how?

I wasn't around then, so can't be sure what his accent should be :D

I would prefer it were as AndrewT has suggested, but your line of thought seems more devious, and therefore more likely.

Heard him in speak in GOT docu once, cant believe how well he does a "posh" english accent. I thought he must be putting his real voice on!!

-1 for saying his accent is bad

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Uq8O5ZhUA

Go on my son!

I don't think Tywin will pick Jamie to fight for him as he has lost his 'sword hand' & doesn't know he has been practising to fight with his left.

I think Tywin will be shocked when Tyrion requests Jamie to fight for him. ( at the Eyrie in the 1st season Tyrion requests Jaime to fight for him but is denied by Lysa Arren, who insists the trial will be on the same day, hence Bron stepping forward)

Tyrion could select Oberyn Marteland Tywin picks the mountain to defend the crown.

It is not Twyin's choice to make.

The accuser is Cersei therefore it's either she fights or selects a champion.

I spose a third option would be that mountain guy is picked by Cersei, which means the spanish bisexual dude on the council would volunteer to fight for Dinklage

Surely Tyrion has to pick Jamie, thus putting all of the Tywin legacy balls in one basket, meaning it's in his interests for Tyrion to win?

I loved the smirk by Dance after the deal was struck, such brilliant acting.  Everything came together as Tywin wanted at that point, before Tyrion through a spanner in the works.

I just think his "posh" English accent sounds like a bad sixth form review.
Charles Dance has such a beautiful voice, that when he and Dinkerlage have a conversation I have to actively force myself to ignore the glaring difference.
Don't get me wrong, I think the rest of what he does has been very good. I think the character is being well played, but the accent is shocking.

Marky, "I wasn't around then"
Around when? :)

Coming round to the thought that Tyrion will choose Jamie, as the sword practice has been secret.
I also like the thought that that will happen after Cersei picks a champion and both her and Tywin are shocked by the choice.

The Hound has been banging on about the Mountain for a few weeks now. maybe that does set up his re-introduction as champion for the crown.

Well the next episode is called the Viper V the Mountain so I think thats a lock

This isnt a spoiler right?

not anymore it isn't :D

I thought the next episode was called Mockingbird?

Sorry, ep after next

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who do you think will win the fight?

Oberyn will definitely win. I can't imagine the show without Tyrion.

You couldn't have (probably) imagined it without Ned Stark in the first season though.

Thanks true also. Just my feeling. You can tell that I love Tyrion.

Sean Bean got killed as Boromir in LOTR 1 so not an upset that he died in the 1rst season of GOT. lol

Everyone loves Tyrion and I suspect that he'll survive somehow.

More because it's important for the story/development (I think) for Dorn to get revenge. You can't randomly introduce the Prince then kill him off (if he loses to the mountain) without him having achieved much that isn't 'spent some time in a brothel'

Don't think GOT have any Checkovian guns, anyway.

This show is so unpredictable. No one can guess what is going to happen next, but your reasoning sounds good though.

For such an awesomely written, produced and acted show you'd think someone would get Littlefinger to turn down the over-acting a touch. He should be made to sit down and watch Charles Dance videos until he gets it.

I like it, think it makes him creepy

Bron may have turned down the chance to defend Tyrion but I feel he may still play apart in it in some way. He won't let his old friend down.

Just started season 2... BRB

Why's it not on next week ? What is this!

cant see it being as simple as Oberyn beating the mountain, because surely the Hound has to face him at some point?
stupid break. two full weeks till we find out.

Talking of the Hound, what happens when he gets to mad aunties with Arya and there's no reward money?
Will he end up seeing to little finger and carting both sisters round with him?
Maybe he'll end up baby sitting all of the Stark kids.

It's just so incred. I honestly think it might take over Sopranos for my fav ever TV show. I actually sit on the edge the couch shouting like a little geek.


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I have seen these T-shirts before and they are really funny.

Do you have any idea where to buy them from?

All over the place but I would say ebay is your best bet and pretty cheap.

Pretty sure that the Moon Door is a Chekov rifle - any time it opens you just know that someone's going through it.

Thought it was all a bit obvious this week - as soon as we knew Cersei picked the Mountain it was pretty obvious that the Spanish guy was going to fight for Tyrion. Similarly, Lysa & Sansa at the Moon Door - hmmmm, which of those characters is least important??


The thing is that the show is based on the books - Tyrion is obv popular on TV but was he popular in the books? If Tyrion dies here in the books, but is kept alive on TV, then that is a pretty fking big departure and would surely mean the TV show isn't following the books any more.

One last thing - all this time I thought it was the Knight's Watch - these people were Knights who were watching.

Just found some on ebay. Some are really cheap.

Dad can you transfer me some money?

Definitely exuding a paedo vibe with Sansa. Uncomfortable to watch I agree, but feel it would be much more uncomfortable if he didn't overdo it quite so much.

Love the 'crows before hoes' T-Shirt!

Everyone loved Dinklage's performance in last week's episode, but I think this week's was the better one

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWIDp2Uyb-8

Paedo? She's a married woman.

I loved the Tyrion/Bron scene.  One guy telling another guy 'You're a good mate but at the end of the day I can find other mates, and that bloke's huge.'

If Tyrion does make it through the trial I'm not sure where he goes from here.  Even if he survives he's pretty much been sold out by everyone and doesn't have anywhere to go.

The Littlefinger/Sansa kiss was probably the creepiest thing I've seen this season on GoT, including the struggle cuddle.

rofl

Didn't she just start menstruating after being bethrothed to Joffrey? I seem to remember her hiding sheets and stuff.

Estimate her age at maybe 14-16? Thus I stand by my paedo assessment :)

I think she said she has been gone from Winterfell for "years" so in storytime I think he is 18-20 by now

Heh, I meant Checkovian gun in the sense that it doesn't go off. We agree though ;)

I have no idea what happens to Tyrion in book (but obv everyone ends up dead sometime...) just hoping not yet for him.

Memorial day next sunday in the US

She's about 15 I think. It was explicitly stated last season at around the time of her wedding. In the book she's even younger!

 And thus Littlefinger became Paedofinger.

Yeah, I had heard that they had to 'un-Yewtree' a lot of the stuff in the books.

Game of Thrones fans searching the internet for the latest episode of the fantasy drama series will be disappointed.

There is no show this week due to Memorial Day in the US, a bank holiday that takes place on the last Monday of May to honour the men and women who have died in the country’s armed forces.

Instead, episode eight, “The Mountain and The Viper”, will be shown next week in the UK on Monday 2 June. The episode, which will be directed by Game of Thrones regular Alex Graves, is expected to determine the outcome of Tyrion Lannister’s trial.

Episode nine will debut a week later on Sky Atlantic on Monday 8 June. Entitled “The Watchers on the Wall”, the HBO synopsis states Jon Snow and the Night’s Watch will face a big challenge.

Don't get this American thing of not showing amazing TV on holidays. Here we get awesome TV on holidays.

I think when they did show it the ratings were down quite a bit hence they decided to just not show.

So so good.

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Wtf

The one-armed bandit will jump in and save him somehow...

hahaha that's incred.

Another great episiode.

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Tyrion must be pretty mad, he mustve been looking for the keys to uncuff him and calling up the local gentlemans club already.

This is why GOT is so good, never saw that coming even though it's GOT.

Very nervous for Dinklage now, especially as we approach the season finale.

I was starting to think the endings could get anymore shocking... and then this episode happened. Wow

Where does everybody watch it please?

So non book people - will Tyrion die?

I think he is a goner

wow

Oberon totally got slowrolled by The Mountain.

Bloody hell, didn't expect that!

Is that actually possible for a human to do?

I would imagine a skull is pretty damn strong!

I guess one that is about 9 feet tall, and weighs about 40 stone can ;D

I bet you could do it.

If I ever get tried for murder will you be my champion?

GL even doing it to a watermelon

Tempted to give this a go now!!!

another quite brilliant episode. But they just wont/ cant kill of tyrion surely? unfinished business and hes the best character by a mile!

Erm, there are dragons in this show.

Yeah, I reckon they could do it. It'd have to be a fully grown dragon though.

More unexpected than the watermelon scene was Jorah being banished by Daenerys. Seems so long ago when he was assigned as a spy before he defected over to Daenerys.

Wonder when he'll pop up again, and if he'll have a major part to play down the line?

He must do. No way GOT would let someone live if they also wrote them out of the show. He would probably have had his nose pulled off and his arse stuffed into the hole if they were going to get rid of him.

Didn't think Sean Bean would be getting his nut chopped off, but he did :D

It seems too obvious that he's the one who dies.  Will probably be 3 other people you considered to be completely safe instead.

Given GoT's trend to have the real cliff hanger a show behind the final show we should have some bloody exciting things coming up. 

I'm a bit surprised we've not seen more of the Whitewalkers since we saw they take the baby.

Don't kill the IMP ffs. Nobody wants to see him die.

JEEEESUS!

thinking maybe the Hound, failing to pick up ransom on Arya will maybe turn back with her and Sansa and try for double payday from Lanisters. End up facing the Mountain next season. Either that or word will get back to the Lanisters where the sisters are and the Mountain will be sent to fetch them and the Hound fight for them.

Hate to say it, but what else can they to with Tyrion. Think he may be for the chop. No one is safe.

All kicking off up north next week isn't it?

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I knew it was coming but I didn't want it too. Norrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I've hated it every time they kill a major protaganist, but man I respect them for it. Its not like 99.99% of other shows where you think 'how will they get out of this?'

Walking Dead and the Wire are two of the only two shows, off the top of my head, that can get you with a shock kill like that.

I reckon the Mountain dies as well so Jamie demands  a re match. Someone stands as Cersy's Champion and Bron stands for Tyrion and wins. Tyrion then goes and shags Oberons bird in celebration.

GoT just goat.

Different gravy when it comes to slow rolling you and killing but characters.

The last pair of episodes are aupposed to be better than Red Wedding in terms of story.

Come at me got.

I did wonder myself if it may not stand as they both died but Charles seemed quick enough to stand up and say that Tyrion will die.


Spooks didn't mind killing of main characters either.   Perhaps that was just me that was bothered by it!

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was like as well.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vob2_MSpXQc

Hahaha. When the Mountain took the spear to the chest I definitely at least did a fist pump.

lol great video

mirrored my reactions.

Nice to see that there's no hard feelings, despite the whole 'squash your skull like a watermelon' incident.

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He's not a small bloke mind.

http://m.tickld.com/x/guy-goes-crazy-after-the-last-game-of-thrones-episode-this-is-the-best-status-

:)

Was that you Bud, looks like your writing style?

what time will it be available online?

I only caught up last week!

3am roughly.

tyty

Only 15 minutes in, but gooooo on Sam <3

Enjoying this series hugely, but does anyone else think that the Robyn Arryn is a dead ringer for a young Ed Miliband?

I wonder how many months it took to film that episode.

Absolutely incredible episode again.

Really cool that they spent the whole episode on one theme, really enjoyed it.

Everything coming to a head nicely now.

Reckon all the budget went into that one, really great edge of seat stuff

Cracking episode, can't believe it's the last in the series next week.  Could have sworn there was 12 in a series!

Shame the redhead got it....

Next week is going to be a bit special, best season so far by a distance for me.

My long winded idea is that...

The wall is about to fall, the blind guy sends a crow begging danaerys to save them, she sends the dragons and it's gg everyone.

Imagine the hound dies and arya survives, although not sure exactly,where she will go.

Tyrian to die.

Stannis? God knows.

Fitting everything into 60minutes seems incredibly,ambitious

I think Tyrion is done for next week.
It's been a great character, but I think they've done all they can with it.

I think the blind Maester who revealed he was a Targaryon is going to play a massive part next season.
I heard a little rumour that it might tie Jon Snow closer to the throne closer than he realises, but I backed away in case it was a spoiler.

Can't see the Hound checking out yet. I still think he's going to send Little Finger to the rail and become the Stark baby sitter.

Felt a bit weird having only one story featured this week. Good episode, but I was looking forward to seeing Tyrion's head on a spike (just because I'm looking forward to the fall out it'll cause. Ned no-head and the red and purple weddings will have nothing on the outcry when the imp gets killed off).

"I think the blind Maester who revealed he was a Targaryon is going to play a massive part next season."
yeah, was quite surprised when he said that, and they just skipped over it like it was nothing.

Any other show and I think they would leave it on a will he die/wont he die cliffhanger for Tyrion.

However, this is GOT, I can see him getting the most brutal undignified death in TV history and videos of yanks crying will be viral within a day.

The urge to seek out spoilers is almost overwhelming.

Must resist!

It's because we already knew that didn't we - we certainly knew from a previous series that Grouty was a very important guy who had been sent to the wall a long time ago, can't remember if we actually learnt his name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=kp

After next week I'm planning to rewatch from the very start.

I didn't realise how epic the show was going to be when i started watching, and if I'm honest , I probably didn't pay enough attention to every characters introduction. I think re watching from the start may be quite illuminating and enhance the enjoyment of next season.

I do wish I had never read the books for sure!

The programmes are far better, and I wouldn't spend half my time, critiquing every scene making comparisons.

Just went online to read what happens in the books. I couldn't help it. Its absolutely epic if they follow the books.

Please be very careful if you have read on - there's already been a couple of slips from people who have, or had heard things about what's coming up.

If anyone does post spoilers I will hunt them down and totally Mountain their skulls.

is it monday yet?
bloody GOT makes you wish your weekends away.

Epic episode.  Went back to the planner today to rewatch and the missus has deleted it.  While it may be on catch up I am considering finding out if The Mountain does freelance work.

I have no idea how next week will pan out, and I love that fact.  There are only two characters I've really wanted to get through this season and both I feared may die.  Fingers crossed Sam is through it after the last episode and must have some Gilly loving on the cards now after being so macho.  The other is obv The Imp.  And I just can't see any way out for him.  Also it feels like the TV series has been preparing us for life after Dinklage and I don't like it.

If you have sky+ there is a deleted items folder that you can restore anything recently deleted

ty ty, I never knew that and that's really handy to know with a trigger happy other half.

agree that Imp is done for.

cannot wait for next week. GoT should be on every single day.

Soooooo good. I feel like so much can happen in the next series.

Was a little underwhelmed if I'm brutally honest, although SKELETONS AND DRAGONS!

Think its a symptom of just how good it is that an excellent episode leaves me a little bit 'meh'.

Roll on season 5!

[  ] done for

Incredible episode for me, have no idea how this will all play out.

So many open ends....its gunna be a long year =/

Dinklage lived! Wouldn't surprise me if he died episode 1 of the next series.

Hound getting his ass kicked by a girl was awesome.

Thought it was a great episode, lots of people got to where they needed to go too.  Such a killer having to wait best part of a year for the next season, wish they'd make it more than 10 episodes.

Loved it when Tyrion was just casually dragging a crossbow around the castle, very sinister.   

Said the same thing to my dad when we were talking about it earlier today.

It's that good I don't think it would damage the longevity by having 3 or 4 more eps per season.

So I have a year to convince myself The Hound isn't dead.  I think I can come up with something in that time involving The Brotherhood.

Solid ender to the best season yet imo.  Dance getting shot in the privy is probably the biggest loss to the series but we have more Dinklage to look forward to.  Of all the set piece scenes and big points, my favourite moment was the look on Varys' face as he sat down next to the crate waiting for the ship to cast off.  Beautifully underplayed moment as I guess he feels he must move into exile as well.

I think I might use the year to start reading the books.  From some of the stuff online I've seen they are beginning to branch away (have no idea If true, sometimes the internet lies). which for me is great.  Just like Walking Dead comics v TV, instead of people getting precious about the source material if the TV one is done well then you just have double the material to enjoy imo.

big loss that there'll be no more Charles Dance, but massive power vacuum now in Casterly Rock and I don't think I can have Cercei rising to the top....Olenna will have much to say about that I fear and Stannis might finally find some stones to head to King's Landing again...

So, the filming starts on season 5 next month

at that stage, once complete, they'll be roughly up to where Martin has completed, with the final two books long in the writing and not published yet


i reckon there are seven imajor storylines for 5

- What happens to Arya in Braavos?
- What happens to Tyrion?
- Sansa Stark becomes an adult...where does her story line go?
- Jon Snow/Stannis Baratheon and Melisandre...
- How does Cersei get on at Kings Landing minus Tywin?
- Bran, Hodor and crew
- Daenerys and the dragons, struggle to control, advance on kings landing?

what would be your guesses on where those storylines go?


i have read the books, but no spoilers from me. was interested to see how they began to diverge quite a lot from the books in the last episode (a few scenes on tv not in the books, a major character missing etc)

Sad to see Tywin go as with him gone and Tyrion in exile King's Landing becomes a much more boring place. Similarly the Hound - he was a great anti-hero.

Where the fuck did Stannis and his army come from - did we know that he was heading for north of the wall? Why did he do this? Did I miss something?

Also, wonder what that meister is going to do to the Mountain - I hope he turns him into Bane.

Lets see......


She gets horribly killed in a brutal way when we least expect it.


Horribly killed in the season opener when we think he is safe for the season.


We see her norks, then she gets killed.


Mexican standoff, they all die


Probably gets killed by the future queen


They get killed the second they go back outside. Hodor's last words are 'Hodor'


They never leave the thrown room, and eventually Daenerys tops herself from guilt for all the horrible things that have happened as a result of her actions.

Also The Boltons/Theon Greyjoy.

Davos persuaded stannis to head north to save the wall. not sure there might have been a crow sent by the old blind watchman too

I'm puzzled with the Bran story.  It's like he's in la la land and everything else going on is a different program.  I was a bit disappointed to hear his "to walk again" answer when the dude in the tree told him he was going to get what he came for.  Did he really think people have risked (and given) their lives just for him to walk again?  Very naive of him.   I really don't have an idea on where this lot are heading.

Wonder if Ayra will hook up with Daenerys at some point? Where did she get that bit of iron from?  She did say but I couldn't make the name out or catch the relevance - the captain of the boat was clearly impressed.

Cersei came out and told her Dad about her and Jamie, if they don't keep that a secret again it can't be easy for them in King's Landing.  Perhaps we'll see more of Margaery's plans.

Didn't see much of the Whitewalkers.  Had a taster, then nothing.  It's been like that for four seasons so far though, perhaps that won't change too much.

Bit of Iron was a Bravossi (Iron Bank of Bravos) coin she got from her sword fighting/dancing teach way back in season one.

Ah thanks

remember in season 1 Jaqen H'ghar from braavos says he will do three things for Arya and when he leaves teaches Arya Stark the words "valur morghulis" words when he departs and gives her a small coin

she says this to the captain of the ship, and given him the braavos coin to ensure her passage

He replies with "valar dohaeris" and offers her passage to Braavos

Cheers for clearing that up, I was convinced it was from sword teacher not Jakaanagher. Valur morghulis shoulve given it away mind.

Ah!! I remember him, I'd forgotten all about him. Thanks.  I may go back and watch them before the new season, I expect I'll find a lot of things come up that make me say "Oh yeah..."

Yeah - I might need to do a rewatch next year as well - I still don't know the names of half of the characters.

My guesses would be:

Arya joins up with the faceless men of Bravos to get some ninja training

Varys spends most of the next season trying to help Tyrion find a purpose for what to do next, I assume it will take the form of discovering Litterfinger was behind the Purple Wedding as Varys seems pretty intent on stopping his rise.

Sansa and Littlefinger have awkward sexually tense scenes week after week while doing a tour of The Vale, Robyn is odds on to be chalked off in a hideous way somewhere out there before the couple head to Kings Landing.  Littlefinger to make a play for the Big Chair

I think the lads up North will finally have a proper set of White Walkers to deal with, Melisande seeing something important about Jon through the medium of something burning.

Cersei and Margery fight over control of Tomlin.

Bran spends the season getting mentored by Tree Man.  He says he will fly, I would guess he's either gonna warg a dragon or learn how to ride one, not sure which would be better as a viewer.

Dany never leaves the throne room.  But her storyline continues to be consolidating power in Slavers Bay.  We have a Barbarian in control of one of the cities, I guess her action will be sending the Second Sons there to take it back.  Also see needs to hunt down the big dragon which has gone missing.

Also, Brienne I guess must head north now to the Wall and we might find out what ever happened to Rikkon. 

Bran warging Drogon is going to happen, surely?  Unless Daenerys grounds him for the rest of his teenage years when she finds him.

Shame to see Charles Dance go, but great for the plot.

Looks VERY unlikely that The Hound and The Mountain will meet now, but neither are confirmed dead, so never say never. Was a strange relationship between The Hound and Arya. He flipped between showing a softer side towards her and then us being reminded he was a ruthless and dark fucker. She flipped between seeming to want to get through to him and get away from him. In the end I think she picked up some bad-ass-ness from him. Not giving him the quick death he was pleading for, and instead robbing him and leaving him to die slowly and painfully was pretty dark. I don't think that was because she couldn't bring herself to do it. I think it was that she decided that was the cruelest thing she could do to him.

Should take Stannis about 9 episodes to reach kings landing next season :)
See him actually taking it down too, but not for long. Daenerys will be along the end of the following season, with a Stark and a Lannister in tow :)
Expecting an almighty run in with the Boltons along the way.
Could also collect Sansa on their travels.

I'm also a bit confused by the Bran story line. Agree it just feels like a separate show. Sure it'll tie in eventually.

Long time till next spring.
Think I'm going to rewatch from the start to pick up the bits I missed first time round.

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As a book reader I picked up on littlefingers comment straight away and absolutely loved it lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/grace-dent-on-tv-game-of-thrones-has-been-an-entire-season-trapped-in-the-worlds-worst-center-parc-9549019.html

lol.

Anyone else watch S1E1 last night on Sky Atlantic.
I'd forgotten so much.

We started with a party of Crows patrolling north of the wall, and forgot that we saw a white walker right in that first section.

There were a few interesting nods to what was coming when the King showed up at Winterfell.
Arya was excitedly watching everything, but she seemed to take a particular, albeit brief interest in the Hound as he rode past.
Sansa was very interested in Joffrey, and begged her mother to persuade Ned to agree to the marriage. If only she knew :)
Weird to see the Stark boys all together, given how separate their story lines go.

And how the hell do we ever warm to Jamie Lannister?
He's arrogant and vicious, right from the start, especially the ease with which he pushes Bran to what he expects to be his death.
There is an obvious affection for Tyrion from him right from the start though.

Forgot just how rough a deal Danaerys gets at the start.
Her brother is horrible.
Plenty of Dani unrobed, which I'm sure we all miss  :P

Episode a week for 40 weeks, should get us through to next season lovely.

Bump so there is no spoilers on the TV show thread.

Have to also be careful in this thread as the first four episodes have been leaked online, so can we make sure this thread is HBO paced spoilers only

Guess I'm banned from this thread for a month then......

Probably best to just ban you from blonde for a month to be on the safe side :)

Do you guys all catch up tomorrow? Not sure where you are yet?

Gutted... Thought we might be in for a new ep :D

Last of the leaked episodes tomorrow.

nods and references in the books including Batman, Blackadder and the Muppets.

http://observationdeck.io9.com/references-and-homages-in-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-1701526410

Poor Sansa :(

Hope 'Reek' guts him!

Never liked Theon as a character but I was screaming for him to finally lose his rag and hulk smash. Or of course Sansa to have some hidden pointy thing to stab him with.

Ramsey really has replaced Joffrey in that regard, nasty bugger.

This is one of those shoes that is brilliant but certain things really make me not want to watch it anymore, this was one of those things. Probably just me but I just don't see the need for it, surely we all know by now he is as horrible as they come, but did they really have to go down this avenue? Maybe I'm to precious about these things and it's just a entertainment show but I'm a bit angry about it. That being said I thought they way the Queen mother has stitched up the Queen was fantastic and totally the sort of thing that she would do, now her dad is dead she has even more power and she now how to use it.

I think it wasn't to show how nasty Ramsey is (we all know that) but how quickly Sansa's 'new found power' or status as a 'player in the game' can be ripped away from her.

Divergent from the books, yes. But actually pretty chilling and sets up the rest of their arc really nicely.

edit: and Cercei has absolutely ironed the Queen there. incredible. she's playing chess whilst everyone else playing chequers. Except Littlefinger, maybe...

Lots of people were upset by that scene, and while I completely understand why, I just don't get how anyone can make it through five seasons and still be sensitive to it. GOT is literally the most violent, sexual and violent sexual show ever made, I would have assumed those who are offended by that would have stopped watching last season with the Jamie Lannister scene. I'd have assumed everyone who made it to this season would not be offended by this stuff.

It was awful to watch, but sometimes art has to make you uncomfortable. To quote George R R Martin:

"An artist has an obligation to tell the truth. My novels are epic fantasy, but they are inspired by and grounded in history. Rape and sexual violence have been a part of every war ever fought, from the ancient Sumerians to our present day. To omit them from a narrative centered on war and power would have been fundamentally false and dishonest, and would have undermined one of the themes of the books: that the true horrors of human history derive not from orcs and Dark Lords, but from ourselves. We are the monsters. (And the heroes too). Each of us has within himself the capacity for great good, and great evil."

Of coursed, lets not forget, it has dragons in it too.

uncomfortable viewing for sure, but seemed completely in keeping with the story and the characters to me.

Interesting that the Sansa story has deviated so far from the books. not the biggest fan of that, but the actual programme remains as excellent as ever

Id only just watched the episode when i posted and now ive had time to have a think about it i can see how its not that bad, they could have made that scene alot worse than it was and it was probably done in the most tasteful way. Another reason why its a great programme, really plays with your emotions.

Disagree with this.

If anything it shows Sansa is more willing to play the game as she went knowingly into that situation. She'll come out of this stronger imo.

Wait till the Daily Mail gets hold of a copy of Tess of the D'Urbervilles.

Just started with the books recently so no spoilers on deviations please :)

Martin does talk about the butterfly effect of minor changes but says he's happy that he's writing the best books he can, they're making the best show they can, and they'll end up in the same place.

That's actually true. Or at least, it could be. Definitely a valid interpretation. She entered the marriage 'knowing' it wouldn't be comfortable, but did she know it was that bad? I guess the 'this is my home, you can't frighten me' bit supports this for sure.

I guess we'll find out ;)

I pretty much got this too. I probably would have had a bigger problem with the scene if I didn't still hold out hope she is ultimately going to do something badass in revenge.

Lol at anybody who was upset by that but didn't bat an eyelid when he set his Rottweilers on that peasant bird with his crossbow bolt buried in her stomach a few seasons back.

I think compared to that, what he did to Reek and also those fellas he skinned this was pretty tame.

Littlefinger, in spite of his tilting accent at times, is the best character (in the TV series).

Discuss.

'Best' is very strong, but very good character, despite accent.

Certainly got me intrigued what his plan is and will no doubt play a massive part in whatever the big WTF moment is this series, but there are about ten people I find more entertaining. Tyrion, Jamie, Khaleesi, Cersei, Bronn, Ramsey, Roger Baratheon all immeditaly spring to mind.

Roger Baratheon?

I genuinely can't decide between:

Bronn, Queen of Thorns, Arya, Littlefinger, Tyrion and Cercei.

I don't think I've ever seen a show where I had such a long list of 'faves' I couldn't decide between. I also really can't decide if Cercei is planning to destroy Littlefinger, or the other way round.

Suddenly got quite interesting for me after four series of being the 'oh it's him I can put the kettle on' guy. I think it was when he started correcting people's grammar.

Surely Tyrion is everyone's favourite? But yeah, the show has many times killed people I'd assume were unkillable only to reveal there are still 10-20 great characters who nicely help us forget about them.

think you mean Stannis ;)

Tyrion

Cercei

Arya

in that order

doubt anything will ever beat the red wedding. one of THE great TV episodes in any series ever

for not entirely unselfish reasons I'll be absolutely gutted if Natalie Dormer (Queen) meets her demise at hands of Cercei's genius plan to destroy house tyrell

Obviously he isn't that interesting then

I think Bronn is a great character, and beautifully acted as well.

Tyrion though is undoubtedly the best character. I like that there's little love for John Snow, the 'conventional' hero.

Dullsville Arizona. eye candy, allegedly, but such a dour character. albeit that fits in with the location he's at. 

though its about to get fun for Mr Snow.

I certainly like the Jon Snow storyline. I actually think the fact that he is stuck on the wall limits his appeal, so hopefully he gets to move about a bit.

teaser for part of the first US red nose day tomorrow night

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URvDyzh8uI

pretty epic, so much happening now. what do we think happens?

Having read the books it's certainly not going according to plan.

It's going in a much better direction.

I didn't think they could top the 'sex scene nobody wants to see' from last week, but they managed it

Care to elaborate (by PM if necessary)?

Put this to a friend who's a massive Thronie and his response was "If it's tonight's episode, not sure I follow where the supershocking scene is."

I flit in and out. Don't really get it, tbh

Maybe his episode cut off before the end?

Don't think Barry was talking from a 'graphic sexual scene' perspective, more from a 'Wow, I didn't think that would happen!'

Unless I've got completely the wrong end of the stick, or have watched a different episode ;D

Right. Makes more sense.

It was just a little joke, didn't expect to see these two go at it

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Admirable that you try and keep up with these threads Tal when I presume you don't watch the shows

"Stay out of the thread" notice duly accepted, Mr C. Apologies.

A good friend loves the show. I was encouraged to watch the hour-long catch up programme a few weeks back and have watched the first two episodes of this series. I've seen about six episodes in total, but am broadly au fait with the main storylines.

Not my cup of tea. A chap at work describes it as "T!ts and Dragons", which seems to me to fit pretty well.

Unfortunately, if I didn't keep abreast of developments in these things, I'd never get to speak to anyone at work. It's have a vague idea of who's doing what to whom in GoT or watch Britain's Got Talent.

Quite.

Anyway, I'll stay behind the curtain and leave you all to it.

Haha, what are you apologising for, Tal?

I don't think it was in any way meant to as a suggestion you stayed in the Chess thread :D

Stay out of TfT with those Lamela bets, though  ;scarymoment;

That's exactly what it reads like to me, but it's fine. Clearly my fault for not embracing the spirit of the thread and I can still window shop if I want.

Unlike the breaking bad thread, I didn't say anything negative about the show, but it's touched a nerve and that wasn't my intention. Would have deleted my post if I had realised in time, but there we are.

Anyway, enjoy.

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Genuinely was a good natured joke, I do genuinely enjoy the fact that Tal contributes to this and the Breaking Bad thread before it despite not watching. Much in the way I enjoy Tikay's contributions to the poker threads.

This should pass for an olive branch

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5hS4fvERg

Brilliant.

^^^^

FFS.

Shite show, shite thread. A shade disappointed that one so erudite as Mere frequents such threads.

Crater can GTFO, too.

Quite literally, the first time I have ever opened this thread, too.

I shall keep off it in future. Feel free to apologise and invite me to return.

Na. Piss off to Vegas, and leave us to the TV....

Heating up nicely.
Presumably we're going to see what Tommen is made of now?
He wanted to go berserk at the Septern  but Cersie was stopping him, (because it suited her agenda obviously).
Now that's backfired, Tommen is presumably going to follow through.
That lad needs a good hand.

Really looking forward to Tyrion and Dani getting to know each other.

Also very interested to see which way Stanis goes. His love for his daughter is his most redeeming feature, and that suggestion but the Red Woman is a line in the sand.

Too long between Mondays and no other show makes me dread the off season as much.

Specifically, what did the fit Red Woman suggest? They sacrifice his daughter?

Pleased to see Bronn made it through. It took me until the end of season 4 to realise he was played by Jerome Flynn. Amazing, i didnt notice really.

That's what I got.
In the absence of Gendry, who escaped at the end of the last season, she needed the daughter's blood for a ceremony.

Who is Gendry?

Robert's bastard they were dragging around until Davos set him free.

The boy referred to here was Edric Storm, the bastard who Davos helped escape. Afaik they don't know Gendry has kings blood, and he is with the King's brotherhood atm.

You sure?
I thought there was a whole thing of the Red Woman deducing him and telling him he was noble and Davos setting him free.
That was Gendry wasn't it?

Yeah, here you go
Spent some time with the Brotherhood Without Banners, but ended up with Stannis's mob and is now aware of his bloodline

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Gendry

Ah, reading on, looks like the TV show has merged two book characters into one.

Careful in book spoilers, some of us are reading to catch up :-)

That wiki link is great.
Thanks Adam.

Wow. Best episode of the season. New stuff as well for book readers, almost knocked my socks off. :)

Not watched it yet but it's hardly got much to beat. All getting a bit tedious to be honest.

Must be watching a different programme Evil! 

Wow, great last 15 mins, whats the meaning of the Sword?

GOT always does this, starts well, slows down and then just when you are about to complain they turn it up to 11.

It was, after all, a year ago since this:

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So, it is accepted that Cersei had Robert killed in a hunting accident? Tyrion implied that in the latest episode whilst talking to Dany.

I think this is all going to end with the mother of all fires created by Dany's dragons defeating the army of the dead. Somehow all rival houses will have to team up to defeat the white walkers.

I have never watched this programme.

After reading this post it seems to me I've made a very wise choice.

The last episode title is interesting.

Heating up nicely now. I think GOT has earned the right to build things at it's own pace. It's not like it doesn't deliver plenty of action, plot twists and shock deaths on a regular basis.

I was actually starting to suspect that Jon Snow was done for mid-scrap last night. What other story do you get that feeling about a main character? No one is safe :)

I think the Dany/Tyrion pairing is really interesting. She can take Westeros by force with a big enough army and her dragons, but taking it and ruling it are two different matters, as Robert Baratheon would tell you. Given that she's never set foot on Westeros soil (being evacuated as a babe-in-arms) she's going to need a good Hand for the political stuff, even though she seems to think she can smash that political structure. Tyrion's got a good CV, plus a few important friends.

I suspect she'll never fight a human army to win Westeros. Definitely more of a save the day with the dragons type of deal. Not sure if Stannis will ever make it to the throne or if he'll go down battling in the north.

I think Jon Snow's actual lineage is the big factor that it'll all hinge on. Not only do we not know his mother, but I suspect Ned isn't actually the father either. Jon Snow and Dany married by the end?

Will Cersei make it out of the season? I'm starting to think not. I first thought she'd be too powerful to be held long, but with Tywin gone, Jamie abroad, Tommen being a puppet and everyone else drenched in schadenfreude, it might be time up for her.

yeah Jon Snow and Dany will either be married or killing each other by the last episode of the last series.

Careful sir. You were complaining about spoilers a week or so ago and you are pretty much doing the same here. Not seen last night's yet!

Jon Snow and Tyrion got quite matey in the early episodes. He'll probably set them up once he discovers the bloodline.

My guess, Jon Snow is actually Ned's sister Lyanna's kid. At first I thought maybe fathered by Raegar Targaryan when she was abducted by him.
I'm thinking more likely Robert Baratheon did have a go with her before she got abducted and never knew there was a child.
It'll be the tying up of multiple houses somehow.

It's a US paced thread with spoilers mate.
It's a safe place to talk about what's aired.
You have to stay out of the thread until you're caught up. That's how it works :)

This

Literally this is the place to go to say 'holy shit XXXX was good' seconds after you watch it. It's mega hard avoiding GOT spoilers online but at least you can control visiting this thread.

The books have been out for years, you really cant complain til you have caught up...... ;) ;D

There was a book paced spoiler thread I think, but that dropped off.

I wasn't really complaining either, hence the smiley face in the sentence.

anyway, clear off before someone says something that gives away the episode you haven't watched yet :)

All good fun.

Just caught up. Intense ending. About the best zombie scenes Ive ever seen.

This story so much better than the books!!!

Zombie waterfall was particularly good

Although i enjoyed the last episode, i really wish they just hadnt bothered going down the zombie/white walker angle at all.

I know thats going to have a big impact on the final outcome, but its always the bit im always like, 'meh, this lot again'.

The good and bad thing about the White Walkers is that it makes everything else that happens seem so futile.

Oh Jamie rescuses his daughter? Well......boom Zombies take over the world

Stannis Baratheon takes over another region of the north? Well......kapow, Zombies!

Cersye escapes jail and gets her revenge? Ok.......zoink, Zombies take over everywhere and a big fucking dragon burns the shit out of somewhere else.

We learnt that Valyrian Steel kills the White Walkers

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/white-walkers-dragon-fire-game-of-thrones

For a moment yesterday I thought I was watching the walking dead!

Thoughts on Jon Snow's sword that killed the white Walker? If wasn't dragons glass. What was it?

Wasn't he slashing everything that moved before the battle with the leader, or was the leader a special white walker type that only shatters when hit with the sword, and the rest were something else?

I suspect the key is to kill the bloke with the crown, but just a guess. Cant see how else they can stop the spread etc.

Also, where do they disappear to for ages, then appear to move so quick? Could have cleaned the planet by now. Now like they need to sleep etc!! ;)

Isn't it the sword he got from the old fella in season 2? The guy who used to run the night's watch? Jorer's Dad?

The only special thing about it is that it's Targaryen (sp) steel. Maybe all Targaryen steel has a bit of dragon in it and that was enough?

It's not Targaryen. It's Valyrian steel. The homeland of the Dragons.

I also think Jon is Daenerys's brother.

And yes, the resurrected dead are one thing. The actual race of ice creature things are a bit different. The ice version of dragons, I guess?

Ah yes that's the one. Targaryen is their name isn't it!!

Yeah the sword is Valarian steel and there isnt many of them in the land (that we know of).  Jon is one of the few with one.

Why didnt the zombies just go into the sea and chase everyone?  Surely they can run across the sea bed and not die?

Think it must be an unwritten rule, never seen zombies do very well with the watery bits in any film, but urging point seems theoretically valid!

kinda meh i thought.

Thought it was better than all the zombies last week, and it sets things up nicely for the final episode, too.

Didn't think there was anyone I would be more pleased to see done in than Cersei, but there is now!

On what is my first ever visit to this thread, & I promise my last, I picked up on some rather tragic "Game of Thrones" news earlier this week.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3113418/Horrifying-moment-lioness-reared-attack-killed-American-tourist-Katherine-Chappell-South-African-safari-park.html



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Incredibly sad, and something that could easily have been prevented.

Craziness.

Not sure what some of you lot are watching for if you thought that episode was meh? I don't understand what your expectations were/are if you didn't enjoy that.

Fistpumping pretty hard at the end!!

I felt like it was very predictable.

The girl was seemingly alwyas going to die. Khalessi was never in trouble and the dragon was always going to
Come to her rescue. Dragon was more hurt by the spheres than I would have imagined.

No development with Cersei. Little action with the wildings. Little action with Jamie.
I think this felt like an episode 5 rather than an episode
9.

Can you predict how ep 10 will end? They have telegraphed over and over the big event at the end of the book but they are hyping it by saying it's going to blow up the internet so maybe they're going to completely change it.

I agree that this was the worst ever ep 9

thought the drogon/daenarys scene in the fighting pit was excellent. tyrion's expression very fine understated acting

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Actually agree with all of this, though I still enjoyed the episode very much. It says something in GOT when the shocking part is that I was shocked Khaleesi, Tyrion, Jorah and the Khaleesis bloke all survived.

Seems I was wrong and Stannis WAS prepared to cross that line. His wife, who's always loathed her daughter bottled it at the end, and his men in attendance were far from impressed/motivated by it. Ser Davos is going to go spare when he gets back. The promise of as many men as he needs when he takes the throne won't impress Jon Snow. He needs them now. I'm wondering if we're going to see Ser Davos put an end to Stannis and his Red Woman and all the men join the defense of the wall now, or take Winterfell first then defend the north from there.

Where were Dani's Unsullied when that was all kicking off? She's certainly learning a lot from her practice run at ruling a kingdom. By the time she gets to Westeros she'll be a dab hand.

Agree, I thought Dario played a blinder in the scene also

When she legged it on her dragon(all for one and oh fuck it, I'm off, sod you lot), the rest of them were still surrounded by baddies.
 No doubt they will all be safe when we next see them even though they were still totally outnumbered.

There were plenty of Unsullied about, but they don't seem to be the fighting machines we were initially introduced to. Much like a new WWE wrestler that appears invincible to start with, somehow over time, anyone can beat them!

The crowd that surrounded them had scattered when the dragon appeared so they wont be anywhere near surrounded now.  Also a lot of them died/fled the scene, since their main reason for being there is to kill Dany, once she has gone on her dragon theyre probably gonna go back into hiding rather than stay to try to slaughter the remainder of the unsullied etc

The show is mugging off the unsullied pretty good but tbf, theyre trained for the battlefield mostly and theyre getting surprised attacks in greater numbers all over the place.  Like we havent seen any of them get killed in 1on1 combat, its mostly stabbed from behind by a 2nd, 3rd or 4th attacker.  Also Dany took all of the unsullied including the ones who's training wasnt complete, cant remember if they spoke numbers in the episode but someone told me that of the total unsullied she has, only around 20% of them are fully trained and blooded.  Obv it doesnt work out well here with this big attack but it probs makes more sense to have the lesser trained soldiers doing security at the arena where they dont expect something like that to happen and save the better trained ones for the eventual travel to westeros

Good summaries.

Thought the dragon would have been more fierce and wiped out the lot of them with some collateral damage along the way.

The final scene where she got on and flew off reminded me too much of the film the never ending story that i watched a million times when i was a kid.

It all felt a bit dissappointing and obvious to me. It wasnt GOT enough.

Looking forward to the finale though.

Thought the same at 1st but saw a few things pointing out that the dragons are around 3-4 years old and should live for around 200 years.  They wont be fully grown or mature until theyre around 50 where they will grow to like 4x its current size, its skin/scales will grow tougher and stronger, itll be able to breathe fire more consistently and itll be smarter.  Its effectively still a child.

Lol @ boba.

A couple of slightly worrying posts.

Must admit the Dragon did feel like I had seen it in something 20 years ago and the CGI could have been better.

GOT as reported by Fox News

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if you don't want all manor of different spoilers/book speculation don't even look at these links let alone click on them

apparently tonight's "previously on" has leaked here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1btOBSM9mrk

and indicates a reappearance from a character last seen in season 1 I think.

what it might mean link below


 






















 http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/benjen-stark-return-game-of-thrones-finale

THAT ENDING. Wow, did not see that coming.

wtffff? so he is gg? surely not.

He was boring anyway...

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/jon-snow-dead-game-of-thrones-azor-ahai-melisandre-warg

I liked where this was coming from

I shut it as soon as books were mentioned.

We're really starting to run out of good guys

Is it April 2016 yet?

my guesses:

Jon Snow isn't dead, or at least won't stay dead. Red Priests can bring people back from the dead (remember the Brothers Without Banners) and I think it's no coincidence that Melisadre has just rocked up at Castle Black. First order of business in the next season is her bringing him back from the dead. I think Ser Allister Thorne is the only one to lose his head and the rest get forgiven.

I don't think Brienne killed Stannis. I think she'll actually end up at the wall with Sansa, Theon and Stannis in tow. Bringing Jon back from the dead will require a death as payment and I think Stannis and Davos will make sure that's Melisadre at the stake. I think Stannis and Davos take the black, and maybe Stannis even gets installed as Lord Commander to defend the wall from the undead army on it's way, while Jon Snow leads an army of Wildlings and Stannis' deserters to take Winterfell back from the Boltons.

While he's down at Maester school, I think Sam will discover Jon's true parentage which is probably Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark, which gives him a very strong claim to the throne. Especially if he hooks up with Dany at the end.

Talking of Targaryans, does running into that Dothraki hoard mean she ends up with a combined army of Dothraki and Unsullied? Lines her up for a march on Westeros in season 7 (took her time). Meanwhile, Tyrion is getting his eye back in as Hand with the rest of his small council.

Don't know what Jamie is going to do. He could turn the ship round and seek some justice straight away. The lord of Dorne did say the Mycella's poisoner was on her last warning. I think Jamie will avoid the temptation to take it out on the Dornish prince he has on board, and if he keeps going to Kings Landing, Cersie would take it out on that prince immediately. He must turn around and sort it out straight away.

And Cersie is going to go mental at the start of the next season. King's Landing has a shit storm coming. The High Sparrow is in trouble and I wouldn't want to be that Septa with the shame bell. The whole city is going to get it, and despite all her evils, I think we're probably all routing for her a little bit, at least short term. She's a nutter, but no worse than the rest of the nobility. She's just playing 'The Game Of Thrones' according to the rules. She can't win, but she's going to go down fighting and the Mountain is going to be cracking some skulls next season for sure. Not sure what she'll do about Tommen's missus. Will she ease up on her, having been through a similar ordeal, or will she take the opportunity to get rid of her? The Lannister's are in collapse and need every friend they can get.

Or none of the above

I hope they don't bring any major character back from the dead. The best thing about GOT is that anyone can die, bringing back a major killed off character would really dilute the show.

The one exception I'd make is if they bring back Ned Stark, not sure why or how that would happen but it would be funny.

Amazingly I'm really looking forward to Cersei getting her revenge. The second best thing about GOT is how conflicted we are about good and evil in almost every character.

Third best thing is the swearing/boobs/violence.

I think Jon Snow is a bit different. The secret of his lineage and how it relates to the event before the show are pivotal.
The whole reason Robert Baratheon went to war with Rhaegar Targaryan was the prolonged abduction of Lyanna and if there was a child that resulted from it, it's of huge importance. Killing him off now would just be throwing a story line away that has been worked into the core story so well. We've not seen the last of Jon Snow.

Looking forward to more atonement next season ;D

Someone just suggested to me that someone would try and burn Jon Snow and it wouldn't work, showing his Targaryan lineage. Good shout I thought.

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Good job Sam left, he wouldn't have lasted more than 5 mins after Jon. A bit surprised there was no mention of Bran this series.  

The worse thing about that is that by the time season 6 rolls around, he will be six foot tall, with a beard and his voice broken.

Sansa alive?
Jumped a million feet?
What's going to save her, a dragon?

Jumped onto snow drift?

Didn't look that deep when they showed it just before her and Theon jumped.   They were talking about her just staying alive until she gave birth to a couple of boys and that was her only use.

It is suspicious that they didn't show either Sansa or Stannis dead, they usually show a good killing.  It does leave it rather open for them to be in the next series.  I'd like Sansa to survive - she's had such a shitty life I'd like her to be happy at some point.   We didn't see where Brienne rushed off to just before the battle did we?  Perhaps she and her matey saved her?

From watching the first couple of series you'd have sworn that the Stark's (and/or associates) we're going to be major heroes in the end, I can't believe none have survived the duration.

Who is the new member of the King's Guard that carried Cersei off?  He was a big bugger and didn't look very human either.

I'd be shocked if they died, we would have seen a body if they died, especially on a brutal show like GOT. We didn't see a body with Stannis I know, but that was much less ambiguous. 

IMO if Sansa was going to die, we would have seen her all mangled up and broken on the floor, just so GRR Martin can upset all the Twighlight-level fans who somehow have made it this far into the series.

I think as you say, if they wanted her dead, we'd have seen her dead, same with Stannis.

I read somewhere that the reason Robb and Catlyn, plus the unborn baby had to go in the Red Wedding was so that it wasn't all about Stark revenge for Ned's beheading.

Big bugger in the Kings guard is the Mountain

When Brienne was about to kill stannis, didn't something occur behind her that puller her away?

I think the new Kingsguard is Qyburns little project, the Mountain/Frankenstein crossbreed.

Definitely had a greyish face, didn't look 100% man to me.

Sansa alive. Stannis dead. Jon zombie.

Sam is a fictional GRRM BTW so if he says Jon's coming back he prob will. Tyrion is who GRRM would like to be.

My prediction is that it will end with Dany, Jon and Tyrion flying around on dragons pwning White Walkers, Tyrion's dragon gets hit, Tyrion falls a long way, dragon gets turned into a baddie zombie, all looks lost until Bran wargs into it and saves the day. Tyrion found hanging by his pants upside down in a tree drinking a can of Special Brew. Adult Harry Potter innit.

jon snow will warg right? the blood priestess helps and he enters the body of his direwolf.....

In the books he has warged previously and his last word is "Ghost" and it looks like all the Stark kids have the ability? Don't think he has in the show though only Bran has? So Lord of Light back to life thingy seems more likely to me.

Bettter change the title of this thread...

I mean WTF really, people posting itt about suggestings of what could happen in future series when they've read the books, PLEASE GTFO!

not quite

the TV series has now reached exactly the point the books have reached

next book due out August

there are important deviations series 5 to the last book....

ya but  what was said about jon saying 'ghost' in the books can give away things that could possibly happen

equally likely it won't given how distinct the last series is from what has happened in the books

up until season 4 the two were very much alike, very significant differences in season 5

Targaryens aren't fireproof. Dany and her dragons was a special case.

Maybe, maybe not. Dany did say something to the effect "not a true dragon, can't be burned" when Viserys got his gold crown from Drogo back in season 1.

Thought it was a reasonable guess

Yeah I have big time avoided book spoilers to this point, but as I understand it we are caught up with or gone past the books at this stage and any small details we get from the book as just as likely to not factor as they are to factor (For example I've heard one of the scenes last night happened in the books, to completely different characters who aren't even in the show).

So now it's more like the Walking Dead, which has followed some of the main story arcs from the comics but in a completelt remixed way with different characters.

I'm pleased, I like nerding up on this stuff but didn't want to miss out on the holy shit moments like the Red Wedding, now it seems I can because all the major plot points have happened (right?).

Also it means that right now, in both universes, Tyrion is still alive, which is all that really matters.

I'm only on book 1, and fm have avoided book spoilers up to now, but I think as books and show has reached the same point, spoilers aren't an issue anymore.

I think anyone not wishing to get book/show comparisons might have to avoid anything GOT for life now :)

yes

all the stuff posted this afternoon is pure speculation. we are right at the point of passing the books and various things in the books have a) not happened on screen and b) happened differently, in some cases to different people

they are about to film series 6 (july to october) with treatments approved by George Martin..ahead of the book coming out. the last book was 4 years ago and this one is at least a couple of years late

he has also given the producers the entire synopsis of how it ends in case he dies before he finishes

its quite unfair to say there are season 6 spoilers being posted, we just don't know, and can only speculate

And speculating is half the fun

Ye speculating is fun, stuff was posted about the books during this series though.

Hopefully that won't happen going forward.

I think the new guard is The Hound, one timeeeee.

Definitely the mountain
It's not a mystery, he's been giving Cersie updates on it :)

I think also the future books and future series are going to vary from each other in quite significant ways. They've differed anyway and it would be a real disservice to the book readers if the TV show spoiled the books completely.

I thought last night's was actually pretty bad - too much happened so quickly, that robbed everything of its drama. By the time Jon Snow's kebabing came round it was all meh - less dramatic than Ygritte going.

Sansa and Theon jumping off the walls was done in such an offhand way that it didn't even cross my mind that it might be gg them.

The best bit by far was Cersei's atonement, coincidently the one bit of the episode which was drawn out and done at a slow pace - all the better for it.

Also, I know we've had all the spoiler discussion but I think that any type of speculation is a bit off, as those of us who haven't read the books don't know what's real speculation, and what is people passing off future knowledge/stuff they've heard somewhere as speculation so they can be Mystic Meg if it happens.

Might want to avoid the thread then, because the speculation looks here to stay.

If it bothers anyone that much, they could always start reading the books :)

Yeah, because everyone has time to do that...

That said, it's a shame there isn't a GoT thread which includes the book stuff.

I rarely make time for reading, but GOT books are nicely broken into chapters that take no more than 15-20 mins to read.
I found it great for a quick read with my lunch or while the good lady wife is catching up with eastenders.

Who can't shave 20 mins of their daily schedule for a sit down with a book? :)

I think there was a book thread, but that's not much use if everyone is at completely different points. As its all caught up now, there can't be much more harm done. Presumably there's lots of red herrings too if they've diverged.

The guys that watched the first five episodes when they were leaked were pretty good about not spoiling it which we can all be grateful for at least

Man City gonna win the league next year.

WTF Dude. You've completely spoilt the season for me now. Bastard!

Lol

My theory is that they will try and burn Jon to stop him being raised from the dead, he won't burn because he's really a Targaryan, then Mellisandre will bring him back to life with a form of fire magic.

Think it's a good point they didn't go the LadyStoneheart route in the shows to increase the wow factor if it does happen.

I know the actor denied being cast for next season, but a good chance they just filmed all his bits whilst doing last season so he isnt spotted going into the set etc?

Jon is not fireproof!

In the books he burnt his hand badly when saving Mormont from the wights. I can't remember if this happened in the books or not.

That is some quick ass memory loss.

Haha. I meant in the TV show or not ;)

who would your money be on?

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what if it's joint?
Dany and Jon Snow hooked up for example?

then you enjoy your conversation with bookmaker customer services to get paid out on either lol

I'm not sure if it says something or not but the second favourite and at least two others are currently dead as far as we can tell!

I'd like to think Bran will come out good in the end but these magical sorts generally don't have an interest in being in charge.

From the list, I'd like it to be Sansa. She's need to survive that jump of course but as I said before, I do feel sorry for her.  I think her experiences would make her a great leader - wouldn't take any shit and would be fair and generous to the general public.   Brienne would be her trusty Hand.   25/1 not a bad price either - just need her to make that jump, S6E1 would be make or break :D

I don't think it's supposed to be any question as to whether Sansa survived or not. Pretty nailed on that she did surely?

Yup, I didn't even question it when it happened, was surprised so many people thought otherwise.

Also didn't consider Sansa might have died until I came in here the following day

Oh, just me then.  This is good news

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This is a casting call email for the Shame scene

They did a good job with your makeup

The pubic wig was the most impressive thing :)

Bumpity bump bump.

My eyes!

Thoughts on the red lady being old? The drugs on the table/ the necklace make her appear Young is what i got of it. Any other thoughts?

I assume it's a magic necklace that either makes her young, or makes her appear young to others.

This episode all seemed a bit rushed - Sansa recaptured 5 minutes after escaping, Jorah Mormont finds clues telling him where Dany is after 2 minutes looking. The only bit which moved at a somewhat relaxed pace was Tyrion and Varys having their little stroll.

One bit I throught was good was the Dothraki having their little discussion about the first time you see a beautiful woman naked as being one of the top five things in life. Of course, later, we had the first time we saw Melisandre naked...

Beer goggles?

Wondering if what we saw was Melissandre giving up some/all of her "life force" to bring Jon Snow back to life. There's always a price to pay isn't there.

I like this idea.

Just looked like a typical time when your bird is comfortable enough to finally breath out to me.

Am I right lads?

This went down well with Mrs Shoelace eh :D

Wouldn't want that necklace slipping off during a bit of rumpy pumpy would you, Stannis got a bit lucky there.

Can't remember so much from the last series.   How did Arya go blind?  I know she upset the guy she was hanging out with  but can't remember how she ended up blind and homeless. How did Myrcella die? I may rewatch the last episode of the last series before next weeks episode.

Am I the only one who forgets who the fuck everyone is?

Myrcella was poisoned before she got on the boat home and Arya upset the many faced god by going after one of the people on her list whilst using one of the faces from the the house of black and white or whatever it is called.

Seems fine when you watch it but bizarre when you write it!

I found that a few seasons in, so went back and watched from the start during the break and found it stuck better second time round.

I geeked out pretty hard on GoT and read episode synopses on wikipedia so i understood everything that was going on.

Take it one step further and you've got the Emergency Awesome videos on youtube - he does 10 minute reviews of every episode, followed by another Q&A vid. And fan theories, trailer breakdowns etc. It's pretty insane the hours you can waste once you get clicking.

I love Game of Thrones, I think it's right up there with Breaking Bad as the GOAT.

Hoping Jon Snow really is the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targareon and him and Khaleesi team up and take down everyone!

...YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHqzFwodZqQ

Isn't Jon dead?

I thought it's been obvious who Jons parents really are since very early on. Sam is heading to to Citadel to train to be a maester. Sure he'll figure it all out there.

Jon will be walking around in an episode or two, released from his Black Watch oaths by virtue of having been dead.

Jon and Dani married (incestious Targaryans) and co rulers at the end with Tyrion as Hand IMO

Am I the only one who is hoping Jon is dead? They don't deserve him. The good often die in GoT, he's been burnt by fire and there is no way Dany will marry a reanimated corpse ffs.

Super excited

Yeah I think I'd prefer it, I actually liked him as a character and felt it was a mistake to kill him off, but one of the best things about GoT is the fact that ANYONE can die, and IMO any major character returning from the dead would cheapen that.

I thought she was effectively committing suicide?  Thought she maybe lost faith in the lord of light because she could see victory for Stannis and worked to make that happen but Stannis ended up dead and when she got back to Castle Black she saw Jon was dead.  She had lived a long life serving her god and was done with it.

Wow fantastic 2nd episode, just amazing.

He's back!!!

The man having a tinkle getting his head all smashed in was the best bit

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Ramsay Bolton is brutal, great acting imo to portray the dark character that he is so well.

Great episode, can't wait to see john back.

"That's what I do. I drink and I know things" :-) such a cracking character

Tyrion can control the dragons!

Really enjoyed that episode, not sure about Jon coming back but happy to see how that unfolds.

Thought for a second "Lord" Bolton was going to let the baby go until she said "he's your brother"

Gripping viewing all round.

Top 3 episode of all time I think.

Everyone seems to be saying this, I loved it too but didnt quite become a top three level ep for me, it had lots of awesome small bits and the best episodes for me have always been based on one massive scene, ie. Red Wedding, Ned's Lack of Head Makes Him Dead, Battle of Black Water, Mountain vs Viper etc

I agree.  Good, but nowhere near top 3 for me.  Off the top of my head, if I was picking them for my instant reaction to the major events:

1) Red Wedding, by a mile.
2) Joffrey's wedding and subsequent GTFO!
3=) Tyrion's escape from the Red Keep
3=) Danaerys emerging from the flames with hatched dragons.

Good to see that they're also finally acknowledging the wider family battles of the Ironborn that they've so far pretty much ignored from the books.  Had pretty much given up on this but was pleased to hear the word "Kingsmoot" last night.

I think consolidating Ramsey as a real real bad guy was big thing, good viewing.

Tryion and the dragons really big and good too.

And obviously Jon Snow.

Yup, really has filled a void left by Joffrey, whom I felt was a premature death at the time.

I think I'm going to adopt Tyrion's line from last night as my new mantra.

'I drink and I know things; it's what I do.'

Super disappointed about Jon Snow, so predictable :(

Jon Snow staying dead was never an option. He's surely the point of the whole thing.

Good episode with lots of stories starting to get some momentum now.

Had a horrible feeling the dragons were going to give us a shock death for a minute.

Was very grateful of the cutaway for the kennels scene. A graphic scene there would have been too much.

Not very often we root for the Lannisters, but hoping those religitards get what's coming to them soon.

i mean there have been some deaths on GoT. hundreds of them

but the dogs/mum and newborn was one of the most shocking. great TV.

not an episode to match the great setpiece ones like red wedding for me but still buuilding up to some cracking stuff on multiple fronts

Whilst Joffrey was like a Bond villain (bit cartoonish) even though he was terrible he was very watchable. Ramsey is such a bastard that it's like watching a documentary about a serial killer.

Whilst I've been waiting for Team Hodor to reappear I'd completely forgot about the Iron Islands and had to go and read Wikipedia to remind myself who the fella on the bridge was.

The second fella on the bridge hadn't been introduced before I don't think. Could probably have done with at least a scene introducing him.

As good as the kennel scene was it wasn't actually necessary in a sense. As soon as Ramsay says follow me we know how that's going to end.

Glad they didn't drag out bringing Jon back.

As a GoT virgin I watched the first 2 episodes last night. Quite enjoyed it so some binge watching ahead.

Please avoid this thread then, it really is one of those shows where the big moments can get absolutely ruined if you are expecting them.

New guy on the bridge is a Major character, can turn whole story around !

If this is a 'book spoiler' would you kindly go away.

Ta.

Thanks for the advice. Truth is by the time catch up I will have forgotten :)

In which case......turns out Bruce Willis is a ghost all along.

Explains a lot about the "plot" of Diehard.

Finding it all a bit whatevs compared with the early tensions between dour Northern monkeys and shandy drinking Lannisters.

Too many characters I don't care about or remember the names of. A few more boobs and I could get interested again I guess

Would have thought Melisandre did just that, once she removed the necklace, obviously ;D

Haha, that was the highlight so far tbf

Will Bran be able to change the past after Ned appeared to have heard him

No paradox bullshit please

Finally, Osha and Rickon make a re-appearance at long last.  Had been sure that they wouldn't simply be 'lost' to the plot, but it's taken a while!

Poor Shaggydog didn't fare so well though!

yes, get on with it

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vcQdcaYPA0

Apart from the last 5 minutes thought this was the most dull episode in a long time.

interesting, i thought after a slow start to season 6 that last night began to see things finally moving on a few fronts

Gendry has been rowing about for 3 seasons!

Enjoying it immensely, best show in the world by a stretch for me even if plotwise they are having to dramatically speed up some stories (Arya springs to mind) whilst slow some down to a standstill (Tyrion chatting for 5 minutes in episode 4 about the fact he had nothing to say to Greyworm or Missandei).

Don't like the way they've ruined Jaime Lannisters character and turned him into a comedic babbling idiot since about season 3 but I'm just nitpicking really, loved last nights episode with the Jon/Sansa reunion and the letter which is going to prompt the "Battle of the Bastards".

Osha's return to the show - sadly all too brief!

Inevitable once she appeared in the room with Ramsay though.

I am finding this series to be moving stories on way too quickly without as much suspense and build up. Absolutely loving it though.

agree but we are seeing a lot of long term plot points finally come home to roost.

Plus if they wait much longer, all the Stark kids are going to be 32

plus we got to see Khaleesi's tits, always a good thing :D

My guess is Ed Stark comes back as a ghost at the very end of this season. Few subliminal hints recently.

@verndog - body double bro

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/16/game-of-thrones-spoilers-emilia-clarke-talks-about-that-nude-scene-5884364/ (http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/16/game-of-thrones-spoilers-emilia-clarke-talks-about-that-nude-scene-5884364/)

New episode was good
Interesting bran

Hordoooooor

thought this was the worst episode out of all the seasons.

I really enjoyed it.  I was expecting the Bran storyline to continue down the teaser route from the other week regarding the tower, rather than the events of last night.  Love the fact that the meaning of 'Hodor' has become clear, albeit in something that has 'Back to the Future' type timeline consequences when you think about it too much.

Unusual to see Varys' self-confidence take a hit, but the new red priestess managed to do that.  Similarly with Littlefinger.

The pure highlight though was Tormund making puppy-dog eyes at Brienne, and her reaction!

I thought it was really good too, not sure what there wasn't to like. In fact this has been the fastest and most consistently good season of all, all it needs is one classic mind blowing red wedding style episode and its been amazing.

On the plus side we did get Withnail and The Actor Kevin Eldon popping up.

This episode felt a bit like the writer got bored and started making it up as he went along. Hordor... Hold the door.. Wait, i need a door for him to hold.

I am confused about the Bran storyline and not even sure HBO and GRRM know what they are doing with it but looks like Sean Bean might get a few more scenes yet.

Enjoyed it though.

Agree with you on this, it seemed a weak episode to me but I did enjoy it.

can somebody sum up the whole Arya scene for me with potential conspiracy theories etc?

there was obvious symmetry between her task to kill the actress that plays Cersei in the play and her own personal mission to kill Cersei IRL.

Also the actress that plays Sansa in the play thinks she's more talented than the Cersei actress, and wants her out the way - potentially a metaphor for Arya clearing the path for Sansa to rule/takeover (by killing Cersei)...

thanks alex

I nerded up after the show and it seems it had been planned all along

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/05/23/how-george-rr-martin-had-game-of-thrones-hold-the-door-moment-pl/

The Hodor thing didn't seem forced to me. In fact I thought the opposite and was impressed that GRRM must have had something like that scene in mind from the start. An unusual mix of big picture planning and fine detail for the whole story.

some great stuff in the episode, especially Sansa making Little Finger squirm over the details of what he put her through.

Enjoying the season immensely and feel like we're building up to the final conclusion, what ever that may be

comedy turn from the Danish borgen actor as uncle greyjoy it has to be said

"where are my niece and nephew? lets find them and kill them"

fun and games if they manage to join up with Mrs Dragon and provide the ferry transfers across the sea for the army

I found out that Hodor had a name and used to be 'normal' slightly before the TV show revealed it as my fiancee is reading the books and mentioned it.

As soon as she told me that I said that it must mean that Hodor means something important, and that when we find out it's going to be poignant and that she was probably going to cry - not least because it'll probably be when Hodor dies.

i.e. yes, I assume it was all well planned all along - I like how they did it, I think this series is turning out very well in general.

read an interesting conspiracy today that bran sends the mad king mad from whispering stuff and ends up causing a lot of trouble when simply attempting to try and help the innocent.

I think that's a pretty solid theory after the last episode.

Read the same thing and it makes a lot of sense.

Possible parallels between the old stories of 'Bran The Builder' and 'Bran The Breaker' as well. I think it's mentioned in series one as one of Bran's favorite stories as a kid.

Got a sinking feeling that they might end up using Bran's time paradox back to the future stuff as a bit of a get out of jail free card. Used to think he was the most boring character, but really interested to see where they go from here.

I do hope they don't overuse it, just like I hope they don't overuse the whole 'bringing people back from the dead' thing, otherwise it kinda becomes a different show. Right now they are nailing the execution on it.

Am I missing something? How does Hodor holding the door for an extra 30 seconds/1min help Bran and that girl? Surely the zombie horde just break down the door, step over his corpse and get them? They appeared fairly sharpish after Bran's encounter with the blue eyed, zombie guy so assuming they're no slouches.

There was fog tbf, how can they find them in fog ?

I thought the same but guess we just put it down to artistic licence. I would have preferred a strong material reason though rather than they just couldn't see them. That did feel weak.

Disappointing to see Summer sacrificed so meekly as well. Didn't slow them down more than two seconds and a real waste of another direwolf.

I guess it helps the budget out when they don't have to animate too many of the furry fellas any more. Can't think of any other reason to kill them all off.

Is there just Ghost and Nymeria left now? Will Nymeria ever return?

I think I heard on one of the YouTube channels that Nymeria is in charge of a huge pack north of the wall in the books. They'll prob bring her back for a big battle or not at all.

I don't think this is confirmed outside of a dream that Arya had and one of the townsfolk reporting a wild pack of wolves roaming about the Riverlands lead by one massive Direwolf. It's not mentioned more than a couple of times IIRC.

Can see some sort of scenario where a massive pack of wolves take out a bunch of Bolton soldiers for sure, they don't half love their symbolism in GoT.

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If anything happens this season, I hope it involves Brienne and Tormund getting it on. Their interactions are fantastic so far. Brienne spending her whole life being mocked by blokes for being gangly and generally considered un-womanly, and then the only person to take a shine to her is a massive wildling nutcase. Give me a scene where they're chopping people down back-to-back with each other and you can do what you like with the rest of the series. Have Daenerys use her instant win fire nonsense to trample everyone for all I care.

Bran didn't become part of the tree though and the other guy/old thing was killed. Does bran have all the abilities he should have learnt by now. I felt a touch robbed we got to see so little of everything there. Hopefully the book brings some clarity as we've gone from warging it up to viewing the past to talking to people in the past. Also why wasn't Bran warned about the whitewalkers? Seems kind of important to mention when you've lived in a hidden fortress for years, especially when your attached to a tree. Children of the forest seemed pretty bad ass. Great twist on theirr beginning

It makes sense knowing what we know now - but I don't think it makes sense in terms of the story. I suspect the long game with Bran is going back to warging - taking over a dragon to even the odds in something climactic maybe (and I suspect then dying - because I don't see much use for him other than something like this, and to explain what he's learned from his walks in the past).

https://imgur.com/lHmoXdj

First really dull episode in a while?

could anybody send me a link, i normally watch on kodi but away for the week :(

Are you kidding me, I thought it was brilliant from scene 1, when my suspicions were finally proved correct regarding that particular character being alive.

Still waiting for Syrio Forell to turn up again too.

Any reason you suspected that

Yep, really good 'chess piece moving' episode that has basically set up three or four epic confrontations IMO,

I think we have three episodes of a shit load of people dying on their way.

Plus, boobs.

Felt like all those battles were already set up, nothing really progressed.

Lovejoy, tho!

Thought we had him for the long haul as well

This series certainly has moved at pace and done a job of tying up loose ends regarding chracters and their whereabouts as well as explaining a few things. Its been the most predictable though with no-one character dying that you weren't expecting. A lot of scenes that you thought might see a dramatic demise have seen the character get away with it. Sansa could have easily chopped little fingers dick off for example.

I would have preferred the hound to re emerge in a more dramatic and vengeful way rather than just being a bible fairing, Lovejoy's woodcutter. It might develop though.

'Might' develop? Did you miss the last two minutes or something?

i think its been an engrossing series, setting up some humdingers in the last couple of episodes to come

ep 9 is called "the battle of the bastards" so that should be good

we have daenarys about to join up with the greyjoys and cross the sea with her army (and presumably that will be a cliff hanger for the start of next season)

we have arya heading back

we have the power struggle in kings landing and jamie about to meet brienne again at riverrun

we have the duel between robert strong and the hound, i think, next week for cersei

think its setting up nicely

The letter Sansa was writing

http://imgur.com/a/p2mfe

At 59, 60, and 69 minutes respectively, these final episodes of Season 6 are some of the longest the series has ever had, including the Season finale being the longest episode ever produced in this show's history.

All of which were set up before this last episode I felt. I can't bloody wait though :)

Trailer for next week looks fricken awesome
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOiAfEIk_g

a US bookmaker offers the following market

who rules Westeros at the end of GOT?

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who is your last fiver going on?

Sky have had this market a while

I'm on Dany, but think it might be a dead heat with Jon Snow

Liking little finger and knights King

Worst ep of the series :(

Another scene setter, but probably the least dramatic one of the entire series.

Somewhat disappointing to see two more significant deaths (Blackfish and the waif) take place off-camera too.  Arya's storyline seems to be particularly stretching credibility, in that she's gone from pretty much mortally wounded to overcoming an opponent she's been unable to get the better of in the space of what appears to be a couple of days.

Highlights were another Mountain entry in the gruesome deaths column and the return of Beric and Thoros to the series (intrigued as to where that particular arc is heading, given that it's very different from the books).

Just couldn't believe after all the effort of setting the siege scene it was a complete non event and a non believeable one at that.

The Blackfishs men who had captured the castle with him just abandoning him at the drop of the hat because Edmure is back (and only one man spoke at that) seems bizarre, and the Blackfish's decision to commit suicide just to write him out of the show was annoying too, and as you said didn't even get to see it.

And yeah, would've liked to see what Arya could do and how she could kill that annoying girl.

Just didn't really enjoy it. Although the trailer for next weeks looks superb as expected given the episode title.

Do we think blackfish is really dead? Could be a trap for Ser Jaime?  If he is then it was weak. Would have loved to have seen waif have her eyes popped out by Arya.

My favourite part was when the girl was chasing Arya she was running like a Terminator. Then as soon as Arya got hurt it became the slow stalk walk from a horror movie - amused me anyway

Too many people are having ambiguous deaths in this show where we don't see the moment they pop their clogs, becoming a bit of a problem because GOT used to be the show where anyone could die,  now it's the show where anyone can return from the dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiKbzpdyb3I

next week looks epic

apparently its the longest and most bloody battle in the six seasons

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOzsR8Pk3TE

Arya's storyline since she left the Hound has been awfully dull and the ending was so predictable. I mean, after like 3 seasons of build up, she was never just gonna die was she. And to not even show how she finally got the better of the Waif after a whole season of failing (whilst being severely injured) was very disappointing and yeh, a bit unbelievable.

Feel like there's so many characters that can't be killed off now - the storylines are becoming less and less shocking and it's now more about the big battles at the end of the season and the episodes in between are a bit pointless because you know Dany/Snow/Jamie/Bran/Sansa etc aren't going to die.

Hugely looking forward to next weeks though!

us sportsbook

which GOT character is next to die....

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But we know how Arya got the better of the Waif - she put out the candle and fought in the dark, which she'd become expert at when fighting the Waif when she was blind.

That's what I was thinking.

What more do people expect? Seems like everybody wants epic battle scenes and CGI dragons flying around every episode but they have to realise this is a TV program not a film and it doesn't generate the revenue for that.

I'd imagine 80% of the people who moan about the bits we don't get to see such as the no doubt epic Blackfish fight to the death against multiple assailants don't even pay to watch the show. Maybe if it got more than 10 million viewers they could turn every episode in to the Lord of the Rings smashing masterpiece that the fans desire.

Tis a good point, each episode costs $6 million to make and while they must be making a fortune in general terms, they probably could have an epic battle every week if it weren't for piracy. And yep, the folks who moan the most are usually the ones who don't pay (as anyone who has worked in poker on setting up a freeroll will confirm).

I assumed that the Waif had also becoming proficient in fighting blind as part of her training though maybe that was wrong.

It would have been quite cool actually just to have the fight in the complete darkness on screen, just hearing sound effects. Fwiw I pay for Sky Atlantic and watch on there but take your point.

If theyre both in the dark Id assume the Waif would be slightly more skilled but Arya has Needle and enough skill to land with it.

Theres also a theory that the Waif doesnt really exist and is actually just a projection of the other side of Arya, the side that wanted to become a girl with no name and metaphorically tried to kill the Arya from Winterfell that we all know.  Arya killing her wasnt as much to do with who is the better fighter in the dark but more to do with her decision to be Arya from Winterfell and to go home.

Wait, Arya had a sword and Waif had what looked like a butter knife. In the dark and before her opponent gets within 3ft she would be sticking that blade in her eye. This knife fight is a coin flip at worse for Arya and thought the candle scene was pretty cute in illustrating that. The girl has no name my name is Arya Stark was cool, the terminator running was lol and the hound going beserko with an axe was brilliant. Great episode, love game of thrones, just can't come to terms with Theon losing his nuts, very unsettling. Personally I don't pay because it's freely available on-line. Cheers.

Back to the subject of people dying without us actually seeing it what about Arya's original sword fighting teacher Fario? I thought from very early on that he may be Jaqen H'Ghar and now I'm even more convinced.

He's been watching out for her since Fario supposedly died. When Arya first met Jagen he was locked in a cage. How did anyone manage to get him in there? He's a stone cold ninja killer? Could it be that Fario was the one who got locked up rather than killed and just did a sneaky face change?

I don't know who any of these people are.

Glad is not just me!  I don't know how you remember all this stuff

Don't know who they are? That is a lack of commitment. Here, lose yourself in here...

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Wiki (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Wiki)

You mean Syrio? :)

I've always thought J'aqen being a prisoner was odd. Even in the books.

Oops. Should've checked that on Google first shouldn't I. No wonder nobody remembered the names :D

But yeah the whole prisoner thing makes no sense at all. He was there for a reason and that can only be to make sure he met Arya.

Well that episode wasn't too shabby!

Wow

Just getting it for the flight  ;D

Sick episode.

Thats more like it!

Phenomenal episode, the best so far imo.

The scene from Ricon to the battle and final scene with Ramsay is some of the most compelling television I've ever seen.

No surprises but brilliantly executed, for pure excitement and storytelling I think better than Hardhome

Well that was very satisfying.

I don't think I've seen a battle scene as visceral as that in anything before - so good.

Also, you have to love how spectacularly dim Jon Snow is.

Jon tells his people 'we need to let them come to us'

Sansa: Don't do what Ramsey wants you to do.

Ramsey obviously uses Rickon to draw Jon out.

Jon runs out to face an army on his own.

Meh don't get me wrong it was good to watch but i felt dissatisfied at the end at how standard the outcome was. It's supposed to be Game of Thrones but it played out in such an unsurprising way. Wish Jon Snow had just stayed dead lol, after coming back everyone knew he was invincible for at least the rest of the season. For me this meant that episode lost its edge. 

Is Jon Snow this much of a whale in the books? Surely they can't let him stay in charge after all these antics

Still thought it was a great episode, especially Ramseys demise. I thought the dogs might start with a leg but nope, gg bottom jaw.

I think I've mentioned before I find it surprising how surprising people have found most of Game of Thrones, pretty much everything in it is standard fantasy fare. Occasionally it's been creative about 'when' things have happened but it's rarely been outstanding in it's plotting.

What makes GoT stand out is it's production - for the fantasy genre it's unprecedented, but for any genre it's probably got to be one of the best made shows around.


I expect the end game to be about Jon Snow in the North and Danaerys on the Iron Throne - but it would be nice if it did end with something creative and unexpected.  The 7 Kingdoms disintegrating into separate states and the Iron Throne being dismantled wouldn't be too surprising but would be a pretty satisfying conclusion I think.  Sansa ending up on the Iron Throne with Littlefinger as her consort  would be a realistic 'political' ending though; changing Westeros into a republic and Tyrion leading it is probably the option I'd most want though :)

I also have an idea that the end of the TV series might have settled some kind of stasis in Westeros - then you'll see a shot of Arya heading off to find what's west of Westeros, and to see the answer is a massive invasion fleet :D But that's pretty speculative and based mainly on that would be the final shot I'd end it with. :)

I was thinking that Jon and Danaerys may hook up too, they want the same thing to a certain extent.

Agreed , so so good.

no one a bit disappointed by the rather cliched cavalry arriving in the nick of time to save the day element?

only seem that about 24 times in various stories....they are of course ahead of the books now and i don't think GRRM would have gone for something quite so obvious, but we'll have to see

that said, clearly a huge crowd pleaser of an episode. loved Sansa's smile as she walked away at the end......


oh, and can Yara and Dany please get it on? thanks in advance

She looked great from behind when she was standing talking to Daenerys, didn't realise it was her at first.

Me. Was going to put 'cliched' in my original post. I am hard to please though :D

How come nobody's punched Sansa in the face for not telling them she was turning up with Team Vale?

They only needed to wait another fifteen minutes and they'd have been all good.

Pretty much used Rob and his cronies as pawn sacrifice then swooped in to grab the easy glory stampeding the Boltons from behind.

Immense.

Great episode, arguably the greatest opening scene in TV history.

Loved it.

The Arya scene was fabulous too.

Less spectacular than last week, but I'd probably rate this episode as the better one of the two.  That's saying something.

So so good. 


Such a long wait now.

The annual summer challenge to stay alive until April begins again.....

Never fear, winter is coming.

Someone pointed out the massive time jumps all over the finale. I must admit, I hadn't noticed as I watched it, but many months must have gone by in one episode.

Ayra getting all the way to Walder Frey was probably the biggest, but Verys put some serious miles in too, as did Jaime.

Pretty impressed with the mask making capabilities at that time. Probs got a prosthetics shop just alongside the blacksmith

:D

Great episode.  Didn't expect the young king to do himself in.

That girl leader is good isn't she, bet it's good fun being a kid and talking like that to a group of old men

were we meant to hear the whisper of lyanna to young Ned?

if not, is it assumed that R+L=J = Rhaegar Tagaryen is his dad and thus Jon is the dragon queen's nephew?

I don't think it was meant to be audible.  At least, that's my excuse for failing to hear it properly.

I always thought there was a bit of an issue in that Bran was obviously going to find out about Jon's heritage - but isn't that also Sam's job?

I'm now thinking that it's Bran who shows who his mother is - and Sam reveals who his father was; and that's where the twist will be coming.

If it's not that - what is Sam's role in the citadel for the story?

OMG I'm so slow!  I've just read about this elsewhere.  Didn't have clue about the significance of it last night!

as the books haven't been written (crack on GRR please) we can maybe think that "a song of ice and fire" refers to the end of the series where jon/dany and dragons battle the white walkers for control of the lot (presumably first half of series 7 sees dragon queen land in westeros and win the south/beat the lannisters?)

i read that series 7 is only 7 episodes long but that there is now a 7 episode series 8 expected for 2018, and thats it

 

I heard that was happening, but after all that, ends with a movie.

Blimey, milking the cow for sure!

7 episodes sucks, crack on, lets have a 14 episode season!

He's there to learn about White Walkers, Dragon glass etc, so he can come back and tell Jon how to defeat them.

Do we have any idea what sort of time frame the entire 6 seasons are supposed to happen over?

Those dragons have got ever so big ever so fast compared to the rate of growth of Gilly's baby which still can't walk after 4/5 seasons.....