blonde poker forum

Inidicate interest here

dan morgan has again kindly agreed to handle all payments

Usual selection panel plus a cast of thoudsands to help

Deadline 8pm Friday

£100

50 pls

£25 please.

50 pls

£100

£30 standard flick in

PAID £25 by Bank TX to Dan Morgan, ref "WPT".

IN

£25 plz

Pm me bank deets please Dan

In for a penny in for a pony.

£25 please.

here goes again in for £200. need the win to break even :)

May never see a pool as big as this again . Lets get to a 10k perm !

 gl everyone  :)

In for £20

Tikay, it's been suggested next door that they might want to join here instead of doing there own, greater numbers and all that, think they had about £550 in there's last week. A few will probably not be blonde members. Just making you aware as u probably know most of them. I've not had a financial interest in their's so second guessed whether to post about it, but it's only information. Upto you if you do anything with it.

Getting 3:1 now, so let's try again.

£50, please.

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£50 again please sending now

Thanks

Hi Ommy,

Yes, I saw the Post next door in which it was suggested they might join the blonde one.

The straight answer is that anyone can join the blonde one, but they need to be blonde Members, OR get someone who is to pay in on their behalf. Several Sky regulars are already blonde Members & have been in the blonde one, & Joesman1 (Next Door) who is Neil Strike here has been in both pools for the last fortnight.

One thing I cannot do, & would not wish to, is entice Sky Forum regulars to join blonde, as that gives me a bit of a conflict of interest headache, as part of what I do there is try & oil the forum wheels. I would certainly be in trouble with the Suits, & rightly so, if I actively encouraged those Next Door to join blonde. Its up to them entirely, really, they can join the blonde one if they wish, but I can't encourage it, for the reasons explained.

My other concern, in truth, is that they have a lovely "Scoop" Thread, with a nice atmo, & they work very hard to run it well, especially Father Vaigret. If half of their regulars defect to the blonde thread, their "kitty" would be decimated, & I'd not like to see that.

They are very different forums, & "pools", ours had nearly £6,000, theirs had around £550, but both have equal merit, & I'd feel awful if theirs was badly diluted by regulars defecting to the blonde one.

I'll probably reply on their thread later this evening, too, as I would not wish them to think I'd actively do anything which might damage their own efforts.

All a bit awkward, really, but I appreciate you mentioning it.

Dan's bank will be thinking he's running some sort of blackmailing scheme.

He must have a lot of dirt on Mr D Shallow in particular.

Totally understand where your coming from. Thought it was strange that you never mention blonde in any of your posts, should have realised really. That being said is there a problem with anyone else mentioning it (which I have done a few times)? I'm sure most of them are aware of blonde but my only reasons for mentioning it in reply to a few posts is that I think such a great place should be spoke about lots, certainly wished I had been told about it much sooner. If it's an issue or causes an issue for you I can certainly not mention or refer to it again.

£100 please

£100 ta

In for another £150. Thx to all those organising.

£50 please

Another nifty please.

Sent £200.

In for a penny, in for a

£100

lol

Just sent £30. Reference Junior Scoop6

Sent $85 from Tracey1984 on Stars.

Anyone I can ping it to via barclays app?

In for 5k if races are a lot easier than this and 2k if it's not.

BOOOM

BOOM BOOM

 Obv Easier 10K perm one time ^^   :)

I appreciate it's hard to say with any certainty but say the prize fund is £10m and we have a perm of £10k and we are the only winning ticket, does that mean we'll get ~£1000 for every £1 invested? Or are there other deductions?

its all about the bonus init  ^^

Legend

Spreadsheet for this week is on the same link in my signature

In for £20, could you pm me where to send please?

Only thing I'd say about this is for the team putting the perm together I'd need it a bit earlier than last week, ideally a couple of hours before the first race in case I need to ring the bank. £5k and £6k went through fine but >£10k would be the biggest debit I've had on the account so might need a phone call.

£25 please

Can be assured of one thing uncle fred wont be making the races any easier

May I join please ?

If so please could you pm bank details Dan ?

In for £50 please.

Same Again Please 200 plus 200  =  £400  total shipped

Thanks for Organising

Yep its open to anyone on blonde, PM sent

I'll have £200 please Dan.

nifty shipped. thanks everyone

I've just caught up with the other thread & it's disappointing to see yet again that Adz has been left out in the cold. He is for me one of the best horse punters we have & to discard him to an extent when his help is free & it could be argued that he is a better judge than some of the team that puts the perm together. However I'm not having a go & appreciate the time they have put in, but there is no I in TEAM & we need Adz on board.

We have come nowhere near in this scoop 6 so far & to miss out on valuable opinions here seems insane.

Chompy, Doobs, Adz, Neil, Trigg & Co. They look like a good set of judges to me & surely we can get closer.

I'm in for £50 if we work together!

Aaron ...this is not a dig and I know you mean well but for Run Good Karma lets allow " The Chosen Guys " to get on with it .

They will do their best to secure all advice and information , some of it of course will be through pms .

In for £30, got zero on stars, Dan can you PM details? or can deposit on stars if easier

Thanks for organising

Can't quit now. Will ship £100 on Stars and thanks again to all involved in picking, placing etc.

EDIT: £100 (US$169) sent on Stars from killerkp.

Last week BigAdz, Chompy and Neil made contributions.  Of Adz's 18 horses I think I took out 3, and queried another to the group.  I think Chompy maybe lost 1 or 2.  In the final list there were just 2 horse that I had added personally.  There was a minor shit storm on Friday night and Saturday as I had removed some horses from Adz.  

Neil and Chompy have provided me with lots of additional content around the races, which means I can see which of their horses are the ones they fancy most.  To put horses in I have to take others out.  The horses I removed were all priced on the higher side.  Adz hadn't provided any reasoning with his tips, so this seemed as good a way as any.  I strongly believe that getting rid of longer priced horses strengthens a perm (this has been backed up by Neil, Red Armi and Arbboy).  I can't remember the exact count, but think 1 or 2 was because I couldn't think of any good reason to exclude ahorse that was significantly shorter, and 1 or 2 were to make way for some of Chompy's picks.  I PM'd Adz explaining I had taken out his longer priced horses, think we exchanged another PM or two then he just put his gripe on the board.  This caused a bit of a minor hoohah, which took up a bit too much of my time late on the Friday.  

Though he has been sending me stuff on a Friday, I tend to get Neil's thoughts on specific horses on Saturday.  That Saturday when I got Neil's thoughts, I was in a bit of a bind.  To include some of Neil's I had to take out some that were there from the night before. Because I didn't want to antagonise the situation further, I just left the ones Adz had picked in and took out one more of Chompy's out and 2 I had added.  

Of all the 3 people who sent me information, Neil clearly had a higher proportion of his selection's ignored, and it wasn't even close.   I think that was an unsatisfactory situation and one that was best not repeated last week.   I have run several big syndicates over the last 10 years and there is nothing worse than individuals sniping because some of their horses were overlooked.  It is going to happen to anybody who sends their thoughts in and it is just the nature of putting together several people's opinions and coming up with something that works as a perm (ie none of the lines are going to have too many outsiders, we don't just have the first few in the betting for each race and we have something close to the "right" number of runners in a race.    

Early last week BigAdz indicated he wasn't in for the perm this week, and he didn't make much of a secret how disgruntled he was.    

Adz indicated in the week he was just having a token interest in the comp, and that he was directing the main part of his money elsewhere.

He then posted this

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2380;sa=showPosts;start=45 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2380;sa=showPosts;start=45)

Token £25 sent Reference: Favourites only Scoop.

and ths

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=63692.msg1938028#msg1938028 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=63692.msg1938028#msg1938028)

which together with the one the hoohah the week before was a little peeving.  For everybody's information I have given up probably over 20 hours over the 3 weeks on this comp, to read that and several other posts by Adz in the last week describing it as a two minute job seems a little uncalled for.  I am probably trying to win it harder than anybody else in the syndicate.  Friday is normally one of my 3 big poker sessions of the week, and barring a few early and a few very late PLO8s I have had to give it up, and likely will this week too.  Poker is my work, so I gave up my earnings for the night (I know this is an open goal but I occasionally win).  As indicated last week, I probably gave up way too much of my holiday last week too.  

Adz posted nothing else on the board and nothing by PM, so I went without him.  I guess I could have sent a chase on Friday evening, but I had 6 races to analyse and thought my time was better spent doing that than chasing Adz.    

When I sent out the lists, i sent them to Neil, Horsey and Chompy.  I also exchanged a few PMs with Trigg, including the selections for the trickiest races, and I changed a couple of things after that.    In my original mailing list I put BigAdz in but thought I don't need another drama on Saturday morning, so thought I have Neil and Chompy to review things.   I genuinely think they are the best people on horse betting we have here.  It isn't like I just sent my thoughts to a few idiots.

On Saturday Marky queried asking BigAdz.  Saturday mornings are difficult, I lose an hour and a half or so around 11 taking my youngest swimming and they don't do laptops and phones I can take in the pool (well I don't have one if they do).  Dan needs the selections soon after 12, my kids need feeding soon after 12.  On a Saturday morning I have to switch things round a bit after seeing Neil's post.  I have to make sure we have a perm that spends near enough the right amount of money.  I have to make final decisions on a handful of horses.  I have to put the horses numbers in a pm and double check them (would hate to feck up a £5k bet).   I do this whilst giving kids breakfast, entertaining them and have to deal with the constant danger of my 2 year old finding the off switch (she can do this from behind the laptop screen and she does frequently).  There simply issn't time to seek any more opinions at that stage and bring them in, and there certainly isn't time to discuss strategy or deal with any arguments.

If Adz wants to send horses next week he is more than welcome.    I am not just saying this, I'd like nothing better than to see a list of well reasoned horses from 3 or 4 people so I can just read between the lines pick the best 4 or 5 horses and send a perm out for discussion.  

Finally, we aren't not getting close because there isn't enough work going in, we aren't getting close because winning it is enormously difficult.  No matter how much work we do, next week we are going to be 50/50 to lose after race 1 and even with a huge perm, maybe 1000/1 to win overall.  If people don't like that, save your money.  

We are probably due a place win or two, so hopefully we can get at least something back this week.

If you are a little pissed off when your £50 goes on Saturday, after spending a couple of minutes browsing the thread, think how it would feel if you had spent 7 hours on it and had 4 hours sleep because of that.  

A bit TL;DR, so

Cliffs.  Adz can send selctions this and any other week, please everyone quit the sniping and just accept we aren't just picking 3 favourites from the SP forecast.

Cheers

PS I have a strategy post to come later with some maths.    

Tremendous work Doobs and very much appreciated. I hate when people who put ina load of effort for free, get abuse for not doing more or 'you're doing it wrong'.

You're like one of those Super Mums, balancing a busy work life with a family. I've a mate who is a documentary maker, I'd love to get him to film you for a week :)

Whoa there.

I have already become the most maligned poster on Blonde, without you reporting the facts wrong Doobs.

As i said a few weeks ago, its not the first time you have slung some stuff my way because you read what you wanted to think I said, not what I ACTUALLY said.

I never once moaned because my selections weren't used, which is what you are saying. You are making it sound like I have chucked my toys out for that reason, and that is bullshit to put it bluntly.

No, my reason for moaning was that I suggested we weren't utilising the skills at our disposal with some very good horseracing minds, and instead we were going down the road that all the big syndicates would, that of using some sort of game theory, that in turn would mean everyone fished in the same pond, and the likely result being that when it was won it would be a smaller overall payout because of this.

I have had several pms agreeing that we have a valuable bunch of brains that could have looked outside the box too. But understandably, after the grief I have had, no one is willing to post this. No, I tell a lie, a few have, but the majority haven't and i don't blame them.

Regardless, at some point one of you, Neil or Chompy did say, yes it would be pretty much front end of the market stuff, as this was the best theoretical path. At that point, having made my point, I shut up. But it has been you that ever since has tried to make a point that "we aren't picking just favourites etc" and it almost seemed to me at that point that you had pretty much abandoned your own policy to try and prove me wrong, as you kept making the point, even before you knew the horses taking part. Seems a strange thing to keeping trying to achieve, as it may well be that the best horses WERE at the front of the market!

I think you see where I am going with this. Based on that premise, I decided it was best to leave you to it and see where your game theory that proves Adz wrong actually left you.

You also make a point that you probably worked the hardest on selections. You say you worked 20 hours over the 3 weeks. i probably did that over the 3 days prior. Other syndicates i was involved with didn't win either, but then neither did the best horse race brains in Britain, so i won't lose too much sleep over it, but for sure you aren't the only one putting in heaps of work. I do so with all my selections on Blonde, and think I give just as much to Blonde as I get, more at the moment, in fact. I may no longer gamble for a living, but that was through choice, family and illness, not because I didn't make it pay for several years. But rest assured i still spend most of my waking hours in study.

Anyway. The fact is I shall still be involved in the syndicate financially. I won't get involved in the selection process, as a couple of you I had more respect for, have tried your best to make me look bad/stupid etc(I can do that well enough myself, but also big enough to realise it), and it would leave a bad taste.

All I had hoped for was a gambling thread might have tried to have more of a punt to win it big, that was my point. A compromise and still giving us more fun would have been to take everyones contribution, but each person have one line of THEIR choice, so from £50, £48 would still go in the pool, and we would have, say, 30 other single lines wilth some wonderfully wild stabs, and some bragging rights to those as they fluked it past each race. Would have added some extra fun, but you have chosen a path, and again I wish you good luck with it. Im sorry for the upset i have caused in trying to get my point across.

Adz.

You are the one that is making it personal.  I don't think you are an idiot, I don't think your selections are bad.  I just don't see why you think people are trying to make you look stupid.  All I have ever tried to do is explain why I think one strategy is better than another, and why I have picked one horse over another.  I haven't compared your methods to Andy Capp or suggested you just took 2 minutes.  Maybe sometimes I'd like to explain to people better why a horse has been pushed out, but normally I just need every free minute on a Saturday  just to get the perm prepared on time.  When it is done, I just want to watch the races and look after the kids.

I believe good strategy is top of the market with the best of the mid priced horses.  I am going to put up a big post tonight that goes through the maths of this.  It isn't just for you, it is so the others can understand where we are coming from and why.

At absolutely no stage have I said I didn't want you to make picks, this week or last week.

Doobs
 

Again, not really what I said.

I haven't once said you won't allow me or don't want me to make picks in that post. I didn't suggest either that you thought my picks were stupid/bad.

I purely didn't agree with the strategy and tried to put a case for why we needed to be different. You don't agree. I understand the logic. I have said that from the start. I just hoped for a little more latitude and openmindedness(if there is such a word). You don't want to. Fine.

And btw, if you have had a humour bypass, the Andy Capp bit is meant as a bit of fun, I know you spend more than two mins on it, but like to have a humorous twist, even if its only me that gets it!

In for fifty please

I just had a look back at last week's Scoop 6, and have done a bit of maths.

Looking back at the numbers I think £3.65 million was added to the pool.  Fred takes 30% of that which is £1.1m.  The rest is added to the prize pool in the ratio 7:4:3 (win fund, place fund, bonus fund).

For that £3.65m we get a chance at winning a £4.575m win fund, a £730k place fund, and a £2.84m bonus fund. 

So woohoo, £8.1m >>> £3.65m, so that is a no brainer?

I don't think so.  Even with all the entries, I was thinking last week it is only 50/50 this goes.  So we don't get £4.575m of value from the win fund, we just get £2.3m.  And if we assume that the bonus fund only goes half the time (tricky this, it is obviously was less than half the time if one person wins the win fund, but is going to be way more than this if 30 people split it).  I think 50% must be about the right ballpark.  So that £2.84m is worth only £710k to us.  It is a given the £730k place fund goes, so for everybody's £3.65m they get £3.57m back.  So even on a massive rollover the average person made a bad EV bet if it was only 50/50 that the comp was won last week

I must admit I was pretty surprised by that, but think it is right.

So how do we improve on that rubbish result?

If you look at the numbers above, 39% of the money we can win is in the place and bonus fund pools.  To get at that money iin week 1, all you have to do is win.  There is very little extra gain from picking bigger prices runners in a place pool. 

It may be an extreme example, but when Trigg did that superb bink wth Night of Thunder in the 2000 Guineas at 40/1, those that picked Kingman (5/4) and Australia (3/1) got exactly the same return from the place pool as he did.  Yet your horse was probably only 10/1 or so to get there, Kingman was probably 2/5 or so.  It is very rare where you get 3 or 4 33/1+ winners at the front of any race, so you pick a 30/1 chance in a placepool above a 10/1 chance all you have done is reduced your chance of winning by two thirds and only marginally increased the likely pool (If you assume nobody else at all gets that 30/1 horse in the placepool in a 4 place race, then you have reduced your chance of surviving that placepool by about 67% and increased your likely win by only 33%.  For that race you have reduced your expected place payout to 44% of what it was before.  You do this over 6 races, you reduce your expected return on that placepool to 1/140th of what it was before.  This isn't a typo.  You are going to see similar numbers picking 12/1 horses over 4/1 horses over 6 races.

What is more is that you get similar figures if trying for the bonus pool.  You get there and to win you still have to find the winning 10/1 chance in a big handicap.  That is true whether you are on your own, or if there are 5 people there.  Though you might have to share if there are 5 of you, it is more likely that when your 10/1 chance flashes home the other 4 will have backed something else.  So I don't think it really matters if you pick 6 9/1 chances or 6 14/1 chances your expectation of winning when you get there is going to be much the same.  I am guessing but maybe your expectation is going to be about 20% lower when you get there if you did the 9/1 route as you are likely sharing the win fund and there is always a chance you hit somebody else's horse (seriously collusion is right here, you'd be mad to turn down the opportunity, but that is another post).

So if you pick 6 14/1 chances over 6 races rather than 9/1 chances, how much do you reduce the chances that you get to have a pop at the bonus fund.  The correct answer is 91%. 

So if you assume that picking 9/1 chances only reduces your expectation by 20% when you get there, then picking 6 9/1 chances improves your expected return from the win fund by 800% above the fella who likes the look of the 14/1 chances.  And this is the case even if your opponent has found some great horses that are all 18/1 when they should be only 14/1.  This is really important to understand and fundamentally different from how you should normally bet.     
       
Overall you pick 6 14/1 horses your expected return on the place fund and bonus fund is going to be only maybe 15% or so of the amount you'd expect to win if you back 6 9/1 horses.   So if we have a 10k fund, you are pretty much torching £3.3k by trying to be clever and finding 14/1 horses that should be 18/1 rather than 9/1 horses that are priced correctly.

So what about the win fund, I hear you say.  Don't we get some of that torched money back there?

Well if you pick 6 14/1 chances that should be 18/1, your chance of making it to race 6 on your own is much better than mine just picking 6 9/1 horses.  You'd get there and probably get £6m all to yourself.  Maybe some of the time you'll share, but you likely get it to your self.  So what are your chances of getting there?  The answer is 1/11.4m.  So of the £6.1m we have left, you have just torched another £3k or so. 

So the clever racing analyst who finds 6 horses at 14/1 that should be 18/1 is losing two thirds of his money every time he makes a bet.  In fact Andy Capp picking the first 3 favourites in each race when he looks at Betfair is going to be so way ahead. 

So what is the expectation of the person who finds 6 horses all around 9/1, or horses such that his accumulator has a 1 in a million chance of winning or so.  It is harder to answer because his chance of sharing is going to be much higher than our clever racing analyst above.  But I have done the Ten To Follow comp with the Tote for a number of years.  Some of the correct strategy there is similar to what it is here (your lines should be heavily weighted towards obvious horses, and there are a few others I won't put here), but does the average person do this?  You look through random lines (they are all on the ten to follow site) and you'll find lines littered with dark horses, others with way too many 3 year olds etc.   Contrary to most people's expectation that if you do the most sensible thing you'll be sharing your space with everyone else, a lot of other people will do something stupid. 

So in this comp, I'd expect lots of people to make errors too.  Whether that is just betting like a normal value punter or spending time finding elusive "dark horses" that will set them apart from the people like me.  Most people will have no idea what the optimal strategy is, and even those that have a rough idea will find ways of doing stuff that isn't close enough to optimal.  So those like us who are weighted towards the shorter horses, are going to be getting extra value from all those people making bad mistakes.  So our £6k in the win fund should be worth quite a bit more than that.   And there are a myriad of different ways to create a solid perm in these comps, and barring all 6 favourites winning, I think you'd be awfully unlucky to find one that pays a lot less than if you had just backed the 6 horses in an accumulator.   

So by weighting our lines heavily towards shorter priced horses we are definitely improving our expected return in the place pools and bonus pools (and there really is little doubt on this), and I strongly believe we are doing the same in the win fund.

So if I have seen a 25/1 chance and taken it out and shoved a 7/1 chance in its place, I am not doing it because I don't think that 25/1 chance shouldn't be 20/1, I do it because putting 25/1 chances in when 7/1 horses are available kills our value in the comp.  And most of our value in this comp is from just getting the strategy right. 

Having said all that, there is definitely a place for horse picking in the comp, many races have a whole host of horses around the 8/1 to 14/1 mark.  Getting the right ones there is obviously crucial too.  And as some will have noticed last week, in the last race the morning Betfair market had no horse below 14/1 when I looked.  If that has happened you must include some horses that are 20/1 or bigger, and we did.  We didn't do that because I was getting soft, we did it because we had to.

It really is ridiculous to say I am not open minded on this or that I don't think outside the box.  I didn't read any of this is a book or website, it is all down to just sitting there and thinking what should work.  If all this kind of shit is inside everybody else's boxes I'd be pretty shocked.

Think I have done strategy now, any questions?
 

How do you win the bonus fund.

Might as well let me pick next week. Will take me 2 mins max and do it watching Saturday Morning Kitchen

Any objections?

if this happens put me in for £10

Doobs kinda blew you away. In for £100 either way, stars anyone?

So simple but so, so good. What you wrote is in fact so smart that I'm now thinking you deliberately lost the previous weeks just so you could pump the pool up. Optimum stategy :)

As said, I'm happy to punt whatever happens, but I'm glad that I know how easy it is now :D



Sounds good for a 2nd syndi?

FWIW... I've watched James Martin's show before, and despite Steve Jones' presence, I have to say I prefer Weekend Kitchen on C4.

Doobs everyone knows your strategy is spot on just a shame you had to waste even more time for 'free' tonight justifying it.  It was an amazing read though and everyone will realise now how lucky blonde is to have this input coupled with some proper horse judges.  You are right up there with the best maths minds in the game across poker and sports betting.

Please Adz can you just give it a rest now and accept your 'feel' strategy doesn't know best when it comes to winning this bet.

Fantastic post Doobs.

Much appreciated.

Big Sigh.

Thank you Doobs. I never for one minute doubted your numbers and a fascinating insight into the maths. I got 90% of what you said, and totally respect your ability in this field. Please crack on, as I have suggested several times. GL.

I will admit to the most amusing part of this was on Saturday watching the Morning Line, when they interviewed some long haired Welsh punter who got closest to landing the Scoop the prvious week when being the only the only ticket holder going into the last race with his single £2 line with his "feel" approach.

Arbboy. You really are a boring little toad. You fit wonderfully as the Forum Bully. I may not be as clever as you, but I have an opinion. If I were to abuse several members of the syndicates trust, I would post their PMs and show it is not just me, but I dont need to, and won't. The reason this thread went on so long is having to defend my right to have an opinion on how the money was spent each week, and continually asking why Doobs was putting words into my mouth, which he passed over on many occasions, but whatever, I'm never going to win this, because the Maths is right.

The minute bullies like you stop people like me posting a differing opinion to yours with your constant belittling "mr feel punter" is the minute that this Forum stops working. I KNOW several people feel the same. So please, can we put an end to it?

Dubai syndicate, Adz syndicate and Doobs syndicate anyone? In for all 3. £25,£50,£25

Maths, meh, got a B at GCSE but I got an A* in gut instinct baby!

Adz, I think we are just not understanding each other at times.  I was probably taking what you were saying all wrong too.  So apologies if I have offended you and anyone else here.

There is space in all this for horse selection skills.  If we include a couple of 16/1 chances over 12/1 ones we aren't making huge maths mistakes.  It is OK to include a couple of 20/1 horses if the rest of the perm is really tight and so on. 

Having sound fundamentals and very good horse picking skills on board is going to put you so far ahead of Mr Aversge and that is where I think we are.

Even with all this on board we are still likely hundreds to one to win next week.  Hopefully one week we'll scoop a bunch of place dividends to make up for it.

In for £50 can someone pm me dans bank info

Will be in again this week for £20, but will transfer Thursday. Hope this stays a fun syndicate.

Dan

In for a £100 again...sent today 'ref Lee H scoop6'

good luck

I've just sent £125 on Stars.  £100 for me £25 for Big D.

Cheers

Guys you may as well forget it this week, I'm organising a syndicate at work and the girls are picking the horses based on the pretty colours and names so I think we're winning it. 

In for £25 will send from stars on Thursday thanks again Dan and everyone else spending there time working on this

 Such a good post by Doobs, maybe the best ever I've seen here.

 Couple of other Scoop points...

 Some weeks it really isn't worth playing. Last week two syndicates that I'm involved in didn't put in a penny while the week before they put in a massive lump. Obviously on the weeks when it's 1/2 to go it's good to invest and when it's just evens it's not so great. It's tricky here as people send money early in the week and some people just fancy a gamble for their tenner or fifty.

 You can definitely benefit from horse knowledge. Sometimes you are considering whether to have three in a race, just one banker or five picks. If you consider the 2/1 favourite very strong and don't fancy the 4/1 2nd favourite you may be best to go banker rather than take a couple of 10/1 shots with the favourite. Use the horses you've saved to have more runners in a later race. If you hate the front two in a race but it's 2/1 and 4/1 with 10/1 bar you probably should still pick them but you can take 4 in the race and pray that one of the 10/1 shots win. In the last leg last week (the massive field Victoria Cup) many syndicates would have 9 selections and many small recreational perms either 3, 4 or 5. With the favourite at 10/1 and a couple of horses at 12/1 many people would pick a 14/1 chance for their fourth or fifth selection. In this bet it is way better to pick a 25/1 shot here. You aren't giving yourself a much worse chance of winning (difference between 14/1 and 25/1 is minor) but you possibly end up on a horse with half or even less tickets on than you would with the 14/1 chance.

 Knowing which horses are likely to drift and which will be backed is great in tote bets. If you see a horse with OPF as it's form figures get backed from 10/1 into 7/1 you should put it in your Tote bet rather than a horse that goes 9/2 out to 7/1 with form figures of 112 as maybe half the number of people will have that selection.

 At the end of the day, even though I KNOW 100% that Doobs gets the correct strategy of this bet the chances are he won't prove that by winning it and there is a really good chance that a bloke from Wales who watches his 25/1 chance in the last on teletext 2 hours after the race is run while he watches the snooker on BBC2 gets the lot.

 Jamie Gold won the WSOP but I still think Phil Ivey was the favourite that year.  

Hjbn

I think Doobs, Chompy, Bad Beat, Arbboy, Horseplayer, Big Adz, redarmi etc all add different things on this forum and all have views I respect.

I hope Big Adz gives his views on Saturday because he has racing knowledge which I believe is valuable to this thread.

Its all appreciated by me and I think others who are happy to throw in a few quid and trust your collective judgement.

I'm looking forward to Saturday.

in for a nifty again, send to Dan, same time same place on Stars?

Big Adz - ima get you a bra for Xmas

£150 sent, cheers for organising!

Neil

If you look back at my big post, I think an average Scoop 6 player should have been playing if it was evens the jackpot to go.  I think we have an edge so we should probably have played, as should your other 2 syndicates.  You could balance that edge by saying it is a lot of money for taking edges in high variance betting, but we are all poker players, so should be used to that.  

I think the numbers can only get better as time goes on, so guess you can play this week even if you think it will be 40% to go.  I think they may go the 5 TV handicaps and the Lockinge.  Even though they won't like including the Lockinge, it is the last race on Channel 4, so would be great from a publicity point of view, though clearly bad for dragging the bet out.  Most will be banking on Olympic Glory there, and rightly so...

I took your point on the last race on board when you sent it by PM. Sure the last horse I added was about 20/1 and made me a bit more relaxed on Chompy's biggest priced horse.  I think it is probably a bit swings and roundabouts, as I think it must be better for the win part of the fund, but will be detrimental to the place fund.  Given the bet died on race 5, I don't think we can be sure which side wins.  I think you were probably still right.

Are any of your syndicates big enough to double down on some lines?  I am sure some of the bigger syndicates do thus, but don't think we can be big enough.  

Sent £25 to the usual place. GL us.

£25 sent

thanks for running again dan lot of work involved

£100 sent via bank

Thanks Dan

£25 sent via bank transfer dan,

many tx

Isn't the strategy of some of the bigger perms to banker the shortest price runner in the 6th leg which frees up a load of extra stakes to be used on more selections in the previous 5 races. This gives you more chance of getting thru the earlier races and then leaves you the chance to hedge your returns on the shortest price runner in the last race should you get there?

Obv needs a good Betfair balance to hedge and people to work out the expected returns, double check the lay amounts are correct and actually place the lays.

ps also think the guy that does all the work and the guy that collects and then redistributes the cash if its a winner should get 1/2 price entries for their work.  ;cheerleader;

in for £20 again cheers

will send later today

thanks to everybody involved organising

In for £25 in the end Dan, thanks for organising, much appreciated.

(Sent from Chris Roberts via BT)

In for £100 - no point having losses if you're not going to chase them.

Dan, just sent £150 to stars. Cheers!

Should be all up to date now, link to spreadsheet in my sig

In for 50 again, will send stars now mate :)

Hi would like to join in with this for £100, if possible cheers

Dan pm me bank details when you get a chance please, will send 2 and increase if it looks like a great week

In for £25 and will send via Phone again Dan

Let me know if this is okay.

Sent from Demonic16 Dan.

Bump
Can send stars too

Stars is fine, send to Raziel2689, Feathers McGraw avatar

Yep

sent £200 :)

In for £30 please , sent on stars.

Hi Dan , In for £100 again and thanks to everyone for putting the time in. Much appreciated.

Sent , reference , Bookiebasher scoop.

£20 sent by bank transfer.

In for £75, sent to Dan on Stars.

£200 sent on stars. thanks.

£75 sent on Stars.

Thanks for doing this again Dan!

£100 sent

Thanks again

£25 please.

Neil Strike (Joesnan next door) has just text me, he wants £100 please, exactly as last week, & the week before, etc

I'll send you £100 on his behalf, & he'll pay me.

I'll send the £100 first thing tomorrow morning.

Thanks Dan.

Hi mate can I have an extra £50  - will send now

Thanks

paid

thanks everybody

Hi sent £100 bank transfer M Anderson,  many thanks

£50 again please

sent £200 on stars

$42 Sent from nhggwtf

50 sent to Dan

Any views on doubling up on a line of the favourites, assuming we pick those?

Morning Dan.

1) I have SENT you £100 on behalf of Neil Strike.

2) I have RECEIVED the £100 from Neil.


Really appreciate all the work that you, & the selectors, put into this for us, thank you.

£50 sent by bank.

Thanks again, Dan.

Chucked in and sent £25, just in case.

Only advice I can give the selection team is to follow your own, much lauded, shorter end of the market strategy. Try not to leave out the favourite in the first, that has been backed in throughout the morning from 12-1 to 5-1 fav and has form figures of 500, at the expense of the drifting fav with form figures of 212.....  ;) ;whistle; ;ifm;

Seriously though. GL everyone.

Stick me down for £75 this time please, thanks wiring now.....

£20 sent ref omm scoop

Saturday £10 million Scoop6 legs:

1. Newmarket 1.45

2. Newbury 2.40

3. Newmarket 2.55

4. Thirsk 3.25

5. Newmarket 3.30

6. Thirsk 4.00


ahhhhhhh, two from Thirsk, lovely

Sigh.  Guess it was inevitable.  There aren't enough runners in some of those tv races.  It was 1.6 to go when I looked the other day.  Probably not now.

£50 please, will send in a few.

Please remember, the deadline for entries & payments is 8pm TONIGHT unless you have agreed otherwise with Dan Morgan.

1.23/1.36 on Betfair to go.  Guess there must be some short priced horses somewhere in that lot. 

£50 sent from iamverndog for me.

£25 sent from
Snort4eva on stars

Paid 2k

Sent Dan

Ref.. DW

thanks good luck us

All up to date

scoop6 racecards for tomorrow

http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/meeting_of_cards.sd?r_date=2014-05-17&type=S6&tab=sc

Sent £25 to your Phone Dan.

Win the Lot please..

Can't see me on the list?

sent £50

In for £40, sent on stars.

Sorted

Thanks a lot.  Thanks for sorting again.

I will throw in £20 again, Callum is sending it on my behalf.

Thanks Dan.

Shipped Dan tuty

In for £100, can you send bank details please?

Sent £50 under Eso Scoop

£200 sent via bank transfer

Dan - another £100 shipped for Trigg so £150 total.

Separate on spreadsheet if you want

going in balls deep on this . in for another £65.

 come on guys this wont come along too often lets get this up to a  £10k perm


gl everyone see you at the races next week live channel 4  :)

Dan

I can't get hold of Redarmi.  He was due to pay for me and him this weekend.  Can you let me know if he has or not?

Can I have £400 worth please, I PM'd Dan for the bank details but he might not be around before 8pm. Am I still ok to send the money over after 8pm if Dan doesn't get online until then. Happy to send elsewhere if you want the cash before 8pm.

cheers and good luck us.

£25 sent

Phil.

Want me to send this on your behalf, then you send it to me?

We could wait until, say, 7.45, and if you have not heard by then, let me know and I will ensure it is sent before 8pm.

Up to you.

Many thanks for offering Tony, I have now sent it directly to Dan.

Sent 200 = 100 from me and 100 from arb.

Everyone before this post is booked and received

Skippy, lee h and LeedsRhodsey have until the bet goes on at 1ish tomorrow afternoon

Assuming these guys are still in and Dubai doesn't wanna press its a total of £8045

Obv we're not going to be straying too far from the obvious in most races, but a few thoughts...

Newmarket 1.45
Illustrious Prince has a decent record over a straight 7f, ideally at a stiff, undulating course. Think he has to go in.
I also like Zaitsev at a price, as there's every chance he'll be the one to lead up the near side from 12. His last run at Beverley was better than it looked, as they went a million in front and set it up for closers. I'd like him even more were Until Midnight not drawn next door.

Newbury 2.40
Couldn't find any way of narrowing this down tbh. Stick with those at the top of the market and plenty of them.

Newmarket 2.55
None of those at the head of the market is bombproof on quickening ground. Brazos did best of the centre group at Newbury (winner chucked in and since fourth in the French Guineas) before winning. He's solid enough.

Thirsk 3.25
It's unlikely the field will split in a field of this size. The best pace is low and I wouldn't be surprised if it collapsed late and something came from off it. Tumblewind and Lastchancelucas looks the best of the high numbers.

Newmarket 3.30
Stomp was very impressive last time. No strong opinions here.

Thirsk 4.00
I'd expect Eutropius to go off favourite ahead of Lord Aeryn and wouldn't  be surprised if he started below 4/1. There's not a huge amount of pace in here and Celtic Sixpence might be the one to take them along. She's a course winner and worth sticking in.

Is it ok for Matt Lewis to send you £100 on stars, Dan?

He was in last week, but has been dithering like my old dear in Waitrose all week when I kept asking him.

It's up to the guys doing the perm now, they kinda need a final firm figure. If he sends it's 8170 for the final total

Had counted it in.  Still working

Doobs

Does 10am work as a deadline that gives you time to confirm the numbers?

Edit: to be clear that's 10am for people to send and after that the total is set?

Would prefer to know before I go to bed, and not much chance of me sleeping after 7.  Work on different times to everyone else.  10.30 to 12 is bad for me and 12 on isn't great.  If Neil has pointed out something bad, I can adjust, but that tends to be 1 in 1 out rather than rejigging numbers of horses.   Can we just stop it at midnight, barring adjustments to make the perm work?  It is 4 hours after you originally said. 

Just back from pub and a mate was interested for £25 if not too late I can send.

I can top up a bit if you need a specific amount for "round numbers "


off to bed  so anything up to £100 more ( if needed )  can ship in the morning

Excellent, thanks very much!

He has just sent it over on Stars a minute ago.

Forgot all about this, am I too late to throw in my customary 20?

If its too much of a ball ache dont worry about it.

Edit: just seen i missed it.

Good luck guys

Ok final total is 8020 and all done

GL us, thanks dan and the guys putting the work in with the perms!

Thanks for the work in putting this on to all those involved. If need a few quid to top up a perm or anything then I can put in a up to £200 more

I have £50 and Maldini can have £20 if he confirms here before the off (1.45pm?). I've pm'ed him.
Many thx to all involved for all your work.
Let's gogogogogogogogo!

Just to be open. I have put in an extra £90 to the perm above the £200 that is on the spreadsheet.   I have had to split the perm in 2 to do this.   The perm has been sent out for 2nd opinion.

I think the final amount comes to £8110.  Hopefully we get back a bigger number than that.

Night all

Thanks Doobs, Dan and others for their time n effort, good luck usssssssssss

If you need more money to pick an extra horse or two let me know, in for a decent amount more if necessary

Might as well make it an even ten Dave :)

Ha was only if one horse was causing problems etc

I have sent you and Dan a PM Dave.  I need to get to sleep right now, will check when I get woken in the morning.

If we lose, will Dubai give us our entry fee back if we all burst into tears?

You never know, it might work.

The perm has already been finalised 12 to 13 hours before the first race?

One of the 'to do's' put forward by Neil was to avoid the fancied ones that drift and be with a few of the hidden ones that are well backed but less likely to be included by others. How is that possible if the numbers are set so early?

Isn't that exactly why the 14/1 into 5/1 fav winner of the first race last week wasn't in the perm. Sorry,but surely we are giving up far too much info that is relevant again here. If the ground changes a lot do we still stick with the 1am perm coz it's been picked already and not take into account what we know that's changed?

The perm isn't finalised, and I have never claimed it was. We can move horses in and out, and we have done in the past.  We need something set up overnight as a base.  Neil hasn't sent me his thoughts yet and I always listen and have always changed the perm on the back of them.

I personally have been up since 7, and had a look around. 

We missed the Pipe horse as it didn't appear as strong as the shorter priced horses we picked.  Maybe another pick in that race it was probably next in for me.  Obviously got it wrong.  We bet the 2nd horse that was 18/1 overnight.  Both finished clear, swings and roundabouts etc.  We have to take a view or we are just left with the first 4 in every race.

Of course if you are aware of a horse in one of today's races that you think we could have missed for some reason, just send me a pm.  I read them all and can put it out. 

obv I am backfitting a well backed winner in the first last week but the post overnight says what the total amount of the perm is so there must be a solidish perm in place already. Must make it difficult to add new runners and decide what to remove when 1 hour before the first you can see or know stuff that makes a difference.

It's a tough ask anyway but if you have a race with 5 selections already and 2 different ones are well backed and Neil and Chompy both give you another selection each and a negative or two nearer race time its just got much harder because that 5 selection race could now be any 5 from 9. You might now want 4 in the perm you didn't have in the first place when the first draft was done.

There are horses that are close and can just go in.

It is easy to change from 4x5 to 5x4 and I think we went 3x4 to 2x6 one week.  Obviously 4x4 to 3x5 will cause issues.  Don't think Dan wants to be refunding 1/16th of £20. 

Strategy is good Saturday evening til Friday PM

Hi mate I'll take the 20. I'm away from my lappie atm,  send me stars deets and ill send it when I'm back.

Cheers

here is my perm for a team of 21 punterrrrrrrrrrs

leg 1, 2,4,8
leg 2  ,6,8,12,
leg 3  1,2,7,9.
leg 4  1,3,,6
leg 5, 4,5,7,
leg 6  1,6,11



972 lines

GL everyone this week.  Please let it be won this week by someone!  Getting sick of donating to this!

Love it. 972 lines, 19 horses and the Scoop Six line I've just picked out myself has only one of those horses in it!

Suggests I'm going to win it on my own. Or not at all. Definitely one of them, though!

Good luck everyone and, yes, what arbboy said. Chicken dinners, please.

anywhere were we can see easily the 6 races and all the horses with there names and maybe colours so i can print out to give to the family to pick?

Obv gonna be a better method than anything talked about here  ;)

Did u need my extra ££ that I sent?

I think so.  I haven't heard from Dan since you sent it though.  Has he been around this morning? 

For clarity Dubai sent an extra £328 and I sent another £90 last night.  By adding in an extra horse we were either £400+ short, or £1400 over, or something like that.  I did 2 perms whcih didn't cover abs every combination, but it was easier to just add in the extra money and not leave a gap (sod's law bound to get you if you do).

Thanks to Neil, Trigg, Chomps and Adz who all made a contribution and Dan for doing the cash.

Will put the perm up when Dan confirms 

We're on and yeah the extra cash from doobs and dubai was all used, just got off the phone will post when they confirm

Dan

You say you haven't received my money.

i sent £100 on 13 may ref 'lee h scoop6'

Same bank acc details as previous weeks. Sent by fast payment system so u would have got it same day!

Please check and let me know the score - sorry this is late just seen your message saying i hadn't paid!!

Lee

Dan is around.

The perm is

race 1
6 Illustrious Prince
7 Zaitsev
1 Evident
2 Shaolin

race 2
14 Trader Jack
6 Indignant
8 Bronze Angel
12 Monsieur Chevallier
2 Chil The Kite


race 3
8 Toofi
7 Parabold
2 Aeolos
11 Dorothy B

race 4
6 Keep It Dark
5 LastchanceLucas
1 Imperial Legend
3 Tumblewind
10 OldJoesaid


race 5
7 Stomp
4 Stars above Me
10 Fear or Favour


race 6
1 Lord Aeryn
6 Eutropius
11 Al Muheer
14 Mysterial

The first 2 races feel like perm 4 or 5 from 8 races, so might be tough to get through.  Currently missing the favourite in 1(Jack of Diamonds right now), but didn't get any positives for it at all.  I am aware it is shortest already.  Getting Deja Vu here, so if people think that is wrong, suggest backing it independently is good.

Am popping out now, so can't do anything if this is true.  Maybe someone can bang a perm togethe rwith the favourite in the first and 3, 2, 2, 2 and 2 horses from the remaining races?  In Chompy I trust.  Or Dubs could do something?

Yep just checked it and thats my mistake.

If Dubai is ok with it you could have 100 of his action?

Yeah that's fine.

thanks Dan and Dubai!!


Good luck to all!!

lee

Let's get this good thing beat in the first then!   What price is it to be won today?

1.28/1.29 Yes, but only 30k matched

Are we rich yet?


Thanks for organising it

GOOD LUCK LEE H

after the first race we will all be going, bloody mark johnston

i think its pretty telling that evident is on the drift. If it was showing anything at home to suggest its a lot better than 78 rated then the noseda boys would be smashing into it now

Great stuff, big thanks to everyone who assisted with getting on, and the selections.

Good luck to Trigg, too.

our boys just on for the day out :D

Bit Tidier:

1.45 Newmarket

1 Evident
2 Shaolin
6 Illustrious Prince
7 Zaitsev


2.40 Newbury

2 Chil The Kite
6 Indignant
8 Bronze Angel
12 Monsieur Chevallier
14 Trader Jack
 

2.55 Newmarket

2 Aeolos
7 Parabold
8 Toofi
11 Dorothy B

3.25 Thirsk

1 Imperial Legend
3 Tumblewind
5 LastchanceLucas
6 Keep It Dark
10 OldJoesaid

3.30 Newmarket

4 Stars Above Me
7 Stomp
10 Fear or Favour

4.00 Thirsk

1 Lord Aeryn
6 Eutropius
11 Al Muheer
14 Mysterial

Good luck guys!

Anyone got a link that can be used to watch the races as not all on C4.  

Good luck guys hope someone scooooooooooooooooooops!

Can a couple of well known boks back Jack of diamonds in the first please. Will refund stakes if you cry

my family have got this covered. My mum, dad, brother and myself all using random selection methods have managed to pick this in the first race.

We like holidays to Vegas/Florida if the horse loses and we scoop.

4:07pm Dubai deletes the One Drop satellite staking thread.

4:08pm Tikay sets his up.

It's ok, have Trigg £10 to put on through his bf. Should do the job

Done. I have had £25 on Jack of Diamonds.

I have just backed it as well.  Redarmi will confirm i can stop literally anything.  Matt 'Cutefish' Lewis just asked me seriously 'If Dubai binks £2.5m on this scoop6 do you think he will direct buyin to the one drop? Imagine the party if we binked!' 

I've done a £2 punt and flicked this in, yw :P

if he binks 2.5mill its 10/11 each of 2 he has enough left for the 25k sat to it

Well someone has to pay for your gambling losses. Thankfully sheets covers the poker losses or we'd all be finished

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Was fun while it lasted

Marvellous, same time next week chaps.

Trigg can pick them

someone had £20k at 2/11 on bf it's won this week.  Let the sweat commence for that guy.  

Same time same place next week.  

its shortened as trigg got the winner in the first. and a place, such a boss (i hope this is correct sorry if ive fgot it wrong!"

[13:20:58] trigg: this front page news will run a race im telling you
[13:21:23] trigg: look at its form on top of the ground
[13:21:33] trigg: always needs the run first time out
[13:21:44] trigg: 3rd august form line
[13:21:48] trigg: wins this race
[13:21:53] christopher.brammer26: yeh but that 1st time out was barely even a run
[13:22:00] trigg: exactly!!
[13:22:11] trigg: sharpener obv
[13:22:18] christopher.brammer26: yeh i'd want to see at least a better run b4 i backed it

ok no more chirps

glglgl

too good trigg.  Please win it to save us more expense next week and buy into the 1drop directly and win that as well!

This rate I am going to burn more Blonde money than Blatch.  

If you spent the morning laying 4,500 accumulators on betfair, good luck to you.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it didn't go well?

Probably a 648 post thread on Facebook by now.

Going to crush in the place pool, yo

How does this work? Do we just need one horse to place in each race?

yes and more places = more winning lines

Dont beat yourself up mate...It is what it is .

Really Appreciate all your effort regardless of the outcome

Its a Punt Right  ?

+1

Still 100k to go, but has anyone called the police?

Good luck Trigg. 

Winner in the second...so still in the place pot

god, all that sweat now gg :( mustve gone off like scolded cats up front

Look at us making leg 3

Already looking bad.  That was the biggest priced of our 5 this morning.   Come on the place pool.  3 in the next pls

Selections remaining after 2nd race:

Win: 7,865 - Place: 159,891

Wee drawing dead or still outs?

2 places in that?

We still have place outs.

Also are there any bonus tournaments?

1 I think

Better one than two I guess, parabolas takes out 40k place tickets, 45k tickets left

1.45 Newmarket
2 Shaolin

2.40 Newbury

2 Chil The Kite

2.55 Newmarket

8 Toofi


3.25 Thirsk

1 Imperial Legend
3 Tumblewind
5 LastchanceLucas
6 Keep It Dark
10 OldJoesaid

3.30 Newmarket

4 Stars Above Me
7 Stomp
10 Fear or Favour

4.00 Thirsk

1 Lord Aeryn
6 Eutropius
11 Al Muheer
14 Mysterial



Place outs as i make it....

Win fund is in tatters.  Place pool is looking decent though

Scoop6 Place Fund: £1,313,811

Could be worse

Selections remaining after 3rd race:

Win: 283 - Place: 41,740

283 tickets left in win pool.  Get saving up for next week lads!

predicted jackpot? 20 mill?

plc bet is in the bag imo.

gl with it being more than 1k though

.....and if only one or two tickets win it eventually.....is it still +ve to keep doing it, as there's a good chance the bonus wont be won the following week !!??

2 places there?

 2 places  :)

1.45 Newmarket
2 Shaolin

2.40 Newbury

2 Chil The Kite

2.55 Newmarket

8 Toofi


3.25 Thirsk

1 Imperial Legend
3 Tumblewind

3.30 Newmarket

4 Stars Above Me
7 Stomp
10 Fear or Favour

4.00 Thirsk

1 Lord Aeryn
6 Eutropius
11 Al Muheer
14 Mysterial


Place outs as i make it....

Selections remaining after this race:

Win: 41 - Place: 10,368

2 again i thiink

 2 more!

2 placed there?

Three tickets remain with one leg left.

 4 lines going into the lucky last.

Possible 12 lines if we can get 3 places!!

1.45 Newmarket
2 Shaolin

2.40 Newbury

2 Chil The Kite

2.55 Newmarket

8 Toofi

3.25 Thirsk

1 Imperial Legend
3 Tumblewind

3.30 Newmarket

7 Stomp
10 Fear or Favour

4.00 Thirsk

1 Lord Aeryn
6 Eutropius
11 Al Muheer
14 Mysterial


Place outs as i make it....

So 4 to funk for in the last. If we get three places in the last i make that 12 lines won?

oi oi we are going to win the lot



(terms and conditions apply)

Edit 4947 place tickets left.  

totepool ‏@totepool  7s
Escape To Glory, Capaill Liath, Justonefortheroad all covered with 1 ticket!!! #Scoop6

looks like a syndi of some sort are the ones left

What's that mean for the thickies like Tikay, not me obv.

1k per 100 invested, 1k for our whole 8k syndi? Somewhere in between?

if we place 3 in the last race i make it that the best dividend is £700 *12 =8400

if we place our best one (one with least place people left) and the two donkeys the dividend would be £1875 *4 7500 ish so may as well funk for all three!
Hope my maths is correct!

About 1/6 a rollover then. Same time next week I guess.

Marv.

if we get the fav to place and then no others worse case would be £830*4 i think 3330.

Obv if we get no place we win nothing

Syndicate made schoolboy errors there, missed all the favourites in the last.

1k for our whole 8k syndi

.....but could be 12 x 1K

according to my maths it cannot

Yep

But without going over old ground they wouldnt be here if they hadnt in earlier legs (presmuably)

per winning ticket. But my maths wrong, because I only counted the place tickets on our horse.  Borntobubble knows.  Hold pls.

Now saying its 3 betting shop tickets

Imagine holding those tickets

good luck to em

yeh your right not 1k a place if all 12 come in.

Imagine your horse coming 2nd though. :(

tis ok just making sure people dont go out and buy the champers when we have turned £100 into £150 when actually its £100 into £100 or something like that ;)
GL us and anyone left in with a chance!

Yes id rather not :)

....in a photo

Money back is good for next week's tilt at the windmill.  

Is "getting a bit colty" a euphemism for has an erection?

we would need mere to sort the spready i guess :P

Lol, usually, yes.

Do we not just let Dubai comedy punt any returns? See if Dan can get 5-6k on a dog at Henlow lol

Greyhound derby 3rd round at Wimbledon tonight so we could get on there.

Fiery Splendour in the first heat would be fine with me.

Spin time

Oooohhhhh

Ffs

SIGH

Probs would have died if i was on escape 2 glory.

This time next week Rodders..

sigh

Escape to Glory went 1.01 ir as well

We miss all our outs?
 

Brickasaurus Rex

Yep

Sigh.   

This made me laugh

Jonathan Ireson ‏@Aylewit  2m
Think Paul Pickard would fail to weigh in for £5 million?

Sigh ul gang. In for next week obv

 In

sigh. unlucky.

next week gonna be HUGE !

Imagine how that £2 betting shop punter feels...£7m in your hand, trades massive odds-on and then beaten.

ROLLLLLLLLL

Might get bamber to step up next week.

lol

The fella must be in bits.

Is it time for me and my band of outsider pickers to step up yet???!! ;angel;   ;hide;

Please use the new thread if you want in for next week, to avoid confusion.

In a way i hope he never realises how close he was

Even more i hope he wasnt watching RUK were Rishi Persad for some reason started laughing

WP

I hope he was. He may then find RP and put us all out of our misery