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How good has this transformation? I totally believe Carol could single handedly storm Terminus and rescue everyone:

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This would be me in an apocolypse

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Last season has been accused of being slow, with the long build up to arriving at Terminus. I disagree though, because with the groups separating, it gave us a chance to get to know some members of the gang a bit more without the constant Rick/Carl Grimes storyline up in our grills.

I was also a bit surprised 90% of the way through S5E1 that it looked like after all that effort to get to Terminus, that they destroyed it and moved on within one episode. However, the last 10% of the episode seemed to hint that we would be spending some time in flashback learning more about what turned these hopeful sanctuary building people into cold and pragmatic cannibals, slaughtering other survivors like cattle. More time with new characters and a break from the previous scooby gang.

Certainly started hard and fast, and someone new is clearly in charge of special effects, make up and zombie kills.

Having seen the trailers, I just have no idea how Gareth becomes part of the group. Obviously we are going to learn that he probably isnt as evil as he seems from the flashbacks, but he should be an insta kill when they see him next surely.

Before they took him at the end, why was he crying outside alone in the trees?

I thought they did a good job of implying he got bit in that store. IMO next week starts with the reveal he is tainted meat.

Thought he was bit but thought they'd show, your theory makes sense tho. Girl in work reckons it's because he was a former alcoholic and they were inside drinking wine :)

ah yes, also a good theorem.

He is pretty much dead now either way, so he may as well be bit.

Yeah, I'd assumed he'd been bitten.
Hershall survived for a long time with a leg missing, so don't give up on Bob just yet.

Maybe he's just got super lucky and they've cut off his bitten leg before the infection spread.

Who did negan kill!

Did he kill anyone at all? Said he was just going to beat the shit out of someone.....

They handled the first whack so I'm guessing at the ginger. He can take a punch that guy.

Smashed with lucille 8 times and blood from top of screen

After such a great season I was a tad disappointed with finale. Didn't make a lot of sense to me.
Why if the saviours are so many in number did they just not attack Alexandria?

Slowly falling out of love with the show.

Felt like far too many fake out death moments in the recent season - Glenn twice, Daryl and then another cliffhanger at the end. I feel like I want the show to be braver and just go ahead and kill some characters!

Has been a bit ploddy since The Governor and don't think this season did much to arrest that. Will still be watching but a long way from being something I really look forward to.

Also as there seemed to more people blockading them each time they took a different route why not go back to the first one and just plough through the half dozen numpties there?

Made no sense at all the first time they got blocked that they didn't just shoot them all. Pretty sure they've smashed much worse in the past without a seconds thought.

What was the point taking all of the best fighters to then pussy out at the first sign of trouble? Obviously they just want all the main characters in the line up for the suspense but it just made no sense.

Agreed.

The season has got an average score of 8+ on IMDB but this last episode only achieved 5.6.

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Finally Glenn dead
Definitely expected it after Abraham died then Glenn was in the background

Genuinely thought the hand was going to come off

I definitely didn't expect it.  Knew it was glenn from the comics but once abraham was killed i thought that was it.

Thought carls arm was coming off too.

Hated it.

Too bleak to be enjoyable. The deaths themselves were disgusting, I get were supposed to be desensitized to this but am I supposed to be able to watch a guys head get smashed in such a gratuitous way and think it's great tv? An hour of pure misery.

Rick getting dragged off in the RV for ages was just plain boring. Glenn fake out death and then killed like this is laughable.

Final scene around the table actually made me laugh. I mean really.

Also how is this on at 8pm/9pm in America?! I know I sound like a prude but seriously WTF.

Winning.

It really is shit now unfortunately but I'm in for the duration same as with so many other series.

Hopefully this is the last one I have to put up with.

Maybe stop watching. :)

It was extremely harrowing to watch, but that's a good thing.
It's a zombie apocalypse horror series. It's supposed to be a rough ride.
Dreading and looking forward to next week in equal measures.

If that's your view how did you manage to get through Dale's guts coming out, the Terminus baseball bat scene or Glenn pulling out a walkers spine and stabbing somebody with it? It's a horror show.

It was a brutal episode but they do kinda have to raise that particular bar. I think it really helped to sell how broken Rick is and how much tougher this villain is compared to a Governer type.

I have never found the gore an issue, I didn't know I could feel like that about something being 'too gory' to be honest. I am sure that's what the writers were going for - the shock effect and to separate him from just being another 'Governor'. Just a personal thing that crossed the line for me as being too brutal.

Aside from that, I just don't think the writing is any good. The reason they have had to revert to that sort of torture porn episode to keep people interested is telling in itself. There are no nuances to the show any more, that scene where all the characters were getting fake bonked on the head to keep us guessing. It's X Factor style story telling that makes for good clickbait.

Everyone at work loved it so what do I know. I just don't enjoy it enough to watch it anymore.

Fair enough.

FYI I think the writing has always been super clumsy the way they get from one major plot point to another. Stretching the governer story another season being one, and the cliffhanger here being another.

Did you know,. however, that this scene is pretty much what happened in the comics five years ago? Exact same thing happened to Glenn in the same story. That shouldn't change your view but figured it might interest you to know that this scene wasn't plucked from thin air to shock everyone.

Disagree with Matthew, I think the show is great and last season was one of the best! But yeah, I didn't enjoy this episode much, and not just because Abraham was my 2nd favourite character (kill Daryl and I'm out).

It just seemed a bit too much, it left me with a similar feeling to when I watched the ISIS beheadings on you tube. I mean, its a good point made by AdamM that its a zombie apocalypse horror series so its supposed to be a rough ride, maybe I forgot that a little bit and this certainly served as a reminder.

Obviously this episode should have been the last one of the last season. It didn't have quite the same impact having had almost a year away from the characters who perished.

I hadn't realised it but now you mention it I think this is the main problem for me. I couldn't even remember where this Negan fella came from or how they got in to this predicament in the first place.

As a final episode to last season this would've been absolutely incredible whereas the final episode that they gave us had f**k all happen apart from people getting caught a bit.

Perhaps take a few tips from GoT. Build up through the early episodes and then go frickin nuts at the end.

I can't believe people complaining about the gore. I thought it was one of the best episodes of TV I've seen in a long time - standout performer in Negan but I thought Rick was excellent as well in his portrayal of how Negan took him apart piece by piece psychologically.

My problem is the TWD is often high intensity and quality seperated by weeks of little happening. Hope they can keep up the pace and intensity of episode 1. Banshee packs mroe into one episode than TWD does in a season usually!

Episode was ass-suckingly boring. Is there really any suspense in waiting for characters, that haven't really developed for 7 seasons, get conked on the head.

Seen more menace than Negone down the local.

Gonna watch it like the last coupla of seasons of sons of anarchy with bewilderment at my own lack of taste or will - still can't stop smoking completely either

Banshee ended after 4 seasons so they had to.

"It's a zombie apocalypse horror series. It's supposed to be a rough ride" - yea good point so the gore is ok I guess. But a zombie apocalypse show should be 'shit there are zombies everywhere, what we gonna do?' which TWD did well at the start. Now we are so chill about teh zombie apocalypse we gather in the forest for a conking on the head ritual. What the fuck for?

Not sure what level of fear this new maniac thinks inhabitants of zombie apocalypse are operating on but for me it would be shit-scared at all times. So along comes Charlie trying to scare me by conking me on the head and saying 'bad things could happen'. Wp Sherlock, bad things could happen, so hurry up and conk me on the head to end the pain. The excessive gore pales against such a shit pointless story. WTF? Is this guy building an empire for the future? I mean seriously, take away the gore and it's an episode of Dallas.

Saw a video this morning of an alternate version where Maggie gets her head caved in instead. That was even more uncomfortable viewing. For that imagination sequence with Rick on the roof of the RV, they would have had to shoot the deaths of all the characters so that means there's a version out there for each of them.

I bet that made contract negotiations in the off season interesting :)

I disagree. Most good Zombie films are only about the zombies themselves at the beginning, then in small bursts along the way. What makes the good ones interesting is the way the societal break down is dealt with. It's an apocalypse show. The zombies are the catalyst for the story, rather than the point of it IMO.

Yea fair enough. I'm not a zombie apocalypse aficionado but it strikes me that in such an event, humans, who are declining at a rapid rate, wud be a pretty valuable commodity, esp to each other. So going round conking them on the head to spread a message of fear is a pretty pointless act imo. In all probability it's only humans who can deliver a solution to the problem, so conking potential solution providers on the head seems like one shit strategy. Who knows which human is going to deliver the solution? I mean i'm on board with the breakdown of society but as a viewer just watching a dumb guy act dumb didn't float my boat. I want an intriguing way to solve the problem as opposed to graphic scenes of perfectly random head-conking. I can get that at Wetherspoons any night of the week.

I know what you're saying.
I'm not a horror guy myself. If it was just gore and running away from zombies I probably wouldn't be watching. I enjoy the examination of how different people deal with the new order of things. Some isolate themselves, some work as groups to survive, and others look to dominate others and survive through them.

I'm pretty sure in a real apocalypse situation there'd be plenty of head conking going on.
Pretty sure I'd be an isolationist to try and avoid the Negans of the world. :)

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Too soon?

Having just watched the opening scenes of last nights episode, I was quite amazed to see, a bunch of flesh hungry zombies, desperate for meat, given a free meal at last weeks baddie, just take a small chew at him. Small enough that he is completely intact and able to get up and walk off as a zombie himself.

I thought the premise was that the zombie would strip you down to the bone when given a free reign?

Is there new zombie etiquette that has been introduced along the way?

Consistent feature of the zombie genre: who gets bitten and who gets devoured is always convenient for the producers.

A permanent gear-grinder for me too.

Indeed. If we are going to do this. At least make it believable!!

Bit of a return to form this season after a couple of season's of mediocrity.

Rick gone in a few episodes
How long will the show last

Cheers for this........

I'm in 'Lost' territory with this.

In too deep to stop watching but utterly bored.

It is completely devoid of any new, original storylines and although the cast do their best it is sadly lacking in interest or direction.

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Walking dead movies coming
Rick gone from the show
Hmm

Thanks for the spoilers....really appreciate it.....not

Did you see the thread title..such a queen

I don't know how anybody on the planet has avoided knowing that Rick was leaving TWD? It's been everywhere for months.

People still watch TWD ?

Don't be a bellend. American spoilers are the night before.

Hoped to just engage in WD chat without being told what was happening. 

OK, let's have a chat.

What about that Rick Grimes eh ?

Yeah. How the f he survive that explosion yet end up on a river bank and no burns.

How unrealistic......

So what exactly are these new talking walkers ? Also the one where there pulled off some sort of mask . Can someone explain what’s happened there? TIA

It was a regular alive person who skinned a walker and wore his face as a mask. Its a group of alive people using disguises to blend in with the herds.

They're wearing the faces of the dead to move around with them undetected.

Thanks guys , how do you know that?  It now makes sense.Was that shown on another episode and I have missed it?
Maybe I need to watch the last episode again sober  rotflmfao

It is revealed in that episode, but was also discussed in "the talking dead" a chat show that airs straight after each episode