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Online poker is not rigged

Online poker in my opinion is not rigged – that said it is certainly open to a range of abuses more so than live play.

All computers and computer software can be manipulated if you have the right hardware, software and a high level of coding knowledge.

I also believe that there is a flaw in all software – that’s why we have patches.

Poker software on all sites all probably have in built flaws that are not deliberately written into the code on purpose, but when you have a number of engineers each writing different snippets of code, anomalies happen.

Example

1.   Some sites have a larger percentage of the Ace falling on the river
2.   Some sites have a larger percentage of gut shots making it on the river
3.   Some sites if there is 3 all ins of pairs have larger percentage of the lower pair making trips

Unfortunately this information is not published in a detailed breakdown that is made available to the general poker playing public.

Some players and I include myself cannot win on a particular site irrelevant of what they do, though they can win on other sites.

My example – I could play 30 9 player sngs on pokerstars in a row have the largest chip stack with 5 players left and still not cash.

In fact its fair to say that if I did not play on pokerstars I would be a positive winning online player, but hey I like there site.

Cheers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31302312 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31302312)

lol I was literally about to post the same link :D

Really?  So all these people with tracking software, all these independent audits, and they've inserted some very clever code to make sure the player up against you makes his gut-shot on the river 5% more likely than it would be compared to random?  Wow...

You mention these three things as if they're 'fact'.  Where's the evidence?


Sample size?  Quality of opposition?  Game selection?  Observer bias?


Sounds like you need to improve your STT play :dontask:


You prefer losing to winning?

Pokerstars is audited, just Google for information about their rng instead of letting your mind fool you

Very well written article :)

Setting the line at 16.

Poker Stars have had reliable auditor Cigital test their RNG (Random Number Generator). It passed the test, which seems to have been really detailed and to the point.

they still only test the RNG, NOT the entire play of a hand from shuffle to showdown. they also only run a sample number of hands

All software is flawed

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE YOU ASK

My mate is a test engineer - he is ranked very highly which is why the big global software companies send him there coding before they release it so he can look for flaws and bugs - this goes out to about a 100 other test engineers world wide - they would not need these guys if there was not flaws

I'd like to support Mike here, all these sites are like buildings and require snagging. How can we be sure the snagging is finished ? Maybe not evidence as such, but pretty powerful support for gutshots, rivering and such

;D

Any fool knows that it's FACT not "fact".

what's happened there is that you've misunderstood both:

1) what an RNG does and
2) what a Test Engineer does.

Additionally, I don't think you've understood that the maths says it is random, and that maths isn't something you can take or leave. RNG can exist as a consequence of the rules of maths, not the other way round.

I always open up these threads really interested in what evidence the poster come up with, but, again, I'm left disappointed.

In this case, I'm thinking sample size, and the OP fails to provide any numbers or details of his findings or thoughts.

surprisingly the only site you dont win is also the one with the toughest fields. shock horror!

HH's on stars are also extensively datamined. mainly by the thousands of players with tracking software. these databases are huge and no bias has ever been flagged up by anyone, ever. never.

HH's are also datamined by companies who sell these HH's. again, millions of hands and no bias has been found by anyone, ever. not once. never.

the data is there. if there was a trend for more rivered aces then it would be flagged.

your not winning on stars over a large sample simply isnt due to them adjusting river frequecies to squash you. it probably isnt down to you being unlucky. stars is a tough field in certain formats / buyins. if you are a losing player there the regs will have software that will actively try and get them into your SNG. you will be targetted by the better players in your games. their seating software looks for reg / rec ratios and will sit them into any SNG with x-number of losing players already regged. as a losing player onn stars you are likely being hunted by better players. and the winning players on stars are generally better than the winning players on other sites at the same buy in. id wager that is why you stuggle there.

you are not special.

pokerstars doesnt care if you win or lose

the universe doesnt care if you win or lose.

sites dont rig action decks.

if they did it would show up in peoples databases

people have databases

it hasnt shown up

ever

So, what you saying?

'Stars have dealt 100 billion (?) hands so far, & nobody has ever managed to find a single hand that has been anything other than correct & proper.

You'd think that with 100 billion pieces of evidence, & a lot of bright people across the globe, including all those inquisitive minds on 2+2, someone would have spotted any jiggery-poker by now.

They have not.

Spouting all this riggie stuff does poker no favours.

I see it every day Next Door, "it's rigged, bla bla", but it has been many years since we've seen such a post on blonde.

Amazing, really, the way people's minds work.

The game is finally straight.  Conclusive proof!

if someone wants to claim pokerstars is rigged and be taken seriously all they have to do is prove it

luckily, this is very easy to do:

purchase a few million hand histories from a datamining site

import them to tracking software

run the numbers.

you now get to uncover THE biggest scandle in the history of online poker, and a story that will go mainstream.

easy game.

there is a search function

On my OP is said online poker is not rigged - suggest people read post before they spout that i am saying its rigged, a flaw is a different thing completely

Also all these companies pay for there audits they are not independently audited.

A bit like the banks - who were all audited and then suddenly found that after years of been told they were all financially stable the majority ended up been in dire straits.

Yes, but the 'flaws' you suggest, (more gutshots hitting, aces on the river) are exactly the same as given out by the poker is rigged brigade. Difficult to spot the difference.

There are millions of diamonds in the world but even the ones classes as flawless have flaws in them.

Nope, the maths behind the rng is independently audited. You could even audit it yourself, if you wanted to.

Of course poker software has flaws in it. Sites freeze, crash, disconnect etc... every day.
Why pick on the RNG first? Probably the least likely bit to have major issues, given the formal audits, and informal audits (player tracking), that it is subject to.

It's unlikely that you will get much favourable response on here, unless you have some decently researched evidence.
That's nothing personal against you, just that most BP posters have played a decent chunk, and have heard most of the theories previously.

Good positive reply - was not picking on RNG - was just trying to emphasise that there is no such thing as perfection anything that involves the human will always have some flaws - i play online and mainly on pokerstars - cant win there but it doesnt put me off playing - anomalies happen

Sngs on stars are tough, but not due to any flaws in the software. Its the player pool that makes it tough. As a losing player any lobby you reg for is more likely to attract winning regs with registration software that looks for losing players.

Given its the most extensively datamined pokersite out there I would wager that over a significant sample card distributions would resemble those expected by chance alone almost exactly.

 

In addition what you were effectively saying was that some points didn't seem random. The link in the initial reply was just an illustration to demonstrate that when things are actually random - they don't seem random.

The only way that a poker site could make themselves appear totally random would be if they actually did rig it.

I think a rigged poker site would actually be really popular.

If people won literally one of every two coin flips you played I suspect most players would be much happier than losing 6 in a row then winning 3 in a row then losing 2 winning 3 etc etc

you'd have some boss meta game going on.

as once you win one flip, you would not take another as you would be guarenteed to lose it. also having lost a flip you would be itching to take another as you would be guarenteed to win the next one.

if you saw someone win a flip and then go allin you would then assume that they had AA or some hand that was +50% as you would know that having won their last flip they would be guarenteed to lose the next one. so they would be unlikely to have 22, AK etc.

but then what if they know that you know that...

how would it handle 53% or 37% equity,  though?

Brilliant. I love this. Although sadly you've killed my dream of launching riggedpoker.com

Incred!

The mind truly boggles.

Lose a flip

New player is moved to table (who, unbeknownst to you, recently lost a flip)

Both players get it in expecting to win flip 100%

Split pot

Poker's so unrigged, fuck this software

Two players having both won a flip get it in together....

Split pot too?

If a third player got squeezed out though, split pot means they both still win?

Miss deal and hand gets cancelled, pot gets lost in space, both lose :)

I am surprised this sentencing of a poker player for fraud has not been highlighted more....

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Cheating-poker-player-Darren-Woods-jailed-fraud/story-25881024-detail/story.html

Only found it because I was on the Gambling commission website looking for something else.

When there are huge sums of money to be won/stolen then there will always be one or two ahead of the curve.

It's whether your cute enough to bail out before you get caught.

Barry Carter Funked for him. No, he did.


http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48405.0


Apparently, it's Arbboy. (NOT....).

Wow , I presume you searched your database with his name ?

I do know you have a fantastic memory though , ahem... ;D

I know not of what you speak.


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easy answer, start going for more gutshots.