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Title: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: Woodsey on March 22, 2015, 02:04:05 PM
During a booze fuelled session last night I was informed by one of your very attractive dealers that this was the case, but I'm not gambling expert, is this true?

If so I think you should make more it of it in your promotion as gamblers are nits by nature.

Also my head hurts quite a lot and I don't remember getting home lol (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz243/leshweirD/sick-476.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/leshweirD/media/sick-476.gif.html)


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: AlcaPwn on March 22, 2015, 02:56:05 PM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: The Camel on March 23, 2015, 12:31:35 AM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.

Never seen this anywhere except some Vegas hotels.

Hats off, it's a great concession.

Can you double any two? Double after split?


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: aaron1867 on March 23, 2015, 04:17:21 AM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.

Never seen this anywhere except some Vegas hotels.

Hats off, it's a great concession.

Can you double any two? Double after split?

I do not like the surrender thing, but I do believe that the double feature is on 9,10 & 11, similar to free bet blackjack. I wouldn't be too sure if good blackjack players would appreciate the game being played out differently because of the "offers".


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: david3103 on March 23, 2015, 07:14:05 AM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.

Never seen this anywhere except some Vegas hotels.

Hats off, it's a great concession.

Can you double any two? Double after split?

I do not like the surrender thing, but I do believe that the double feature is on 9,10 & 11, similar to free bet blackjack. I wouldn't be too sure if good blackjack players would appreciate the game being played out differently because of the "offers".

'Good' blackjack players shouldn't be bothered by what others at the table do.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: Woodsey on March 23, 2015, 08:05:55 AM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.

Never seen this anywhere except some Vegas hotels.

Hats off, it's a great concession.

Can you double any two? Double after split?

I do not like the surrender thing, but I do believe that the double feature is on 9,10 & 11, similar to free bet blackjack. I wouldn't be too sure if good blackjack players would appreciate the game being played out differently because of the "offers".

Double is on any 2 cards at DTD mate.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2015, 09:14:51 AM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.

Never seen this anywhere except some Vegas hotels.

Hats off, it's a great concession.

Can you double any two? Double after split?

I do not like the surrender thing, but I do believe that the double feature is on 9,10 & 11, similar to free bet blackjack. I wouldn't be too sure if good blackjack players would appreciate the game being played out differently because of the "offers".

Head in hands man required.  Please tell me arron when you post stuff like this it's a wind up and you are levelling everyone and not being serious.  It will save me a lot of time replying to your TFT posts if you are being serious stating stuff like this in the future.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: aaron1867 on March 23, 2015, 09:30:14 AM
My point basically that I wouldn't personally like to be on a blackjack table that is influenced by offers, such as money back if blackjack. I would HATE to see people doubling 8,9,10, 11 just because they are against an ace etc.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
My point basically that I wouldn't personally like to be on a blackjack table that is influenced by offers, such as money back if blackjack. I would HATE to see people doubling 8,9,10, 11 just because they are against an ace etc.

Ok why would you hate that? Because the casino is trying to get people to make bad bets by doubling 8 or 9 against an ace with the incentive of money back if it is black? Or because it will affect the run of cards from the deck in an abnormal way and affect your own hand during play?


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: aaron1867 on March 23, 2015, 09:41:12 AM
I wouldn't want the game to be played differently because of an offer. If you have 10 against a picture or an ace, it's a card, not double.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2015, 09:43:10 AM
I wouldn't want the game to be played differently because of an offer. If you have 10 against a picture or an ace, it's a card, not double.


The key to my question is why wouldn't you want the game played differently though? Which of my two examples is the reason why you wouldn't want it played differently? Or maybe you have a different reason of your own.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: aaron1867 on March 23, 2015, 09:52:08 AM
I wouldn't want the game to be played differently because of an offer. If you have 10 against a picture or an ace, it's a card, not double.


The key to my question is why wouldn't you want the game played differently though? Which of my two examples is the reason why you wouldn't want it played differently? Or maybe you have a different reason of your own.

I've already told you.

I don't want the game played differently, if a table is played like that, then I don't play. Perhaps you are just trying to make an argument for the sake if it? You just don't double any numbers, against tens & aces.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2015, 10:01:18 AM
I wouldn't want the game to be played differently because of an offer. If you have 10 against a picture or an ace, it's a card, not double.


The key to my question is why wouldn't you want the game played differently though? Which of my two examples is the reason why you wouldn't want it played differently? Or maybe you have a different reason of your own.

I've already told you.

I don't want the game played differently, if a table is played like that, then I don't play. Perhaps you are just trying to make an argument for the sake if it? You just don't double any numbers, against tens & aces.

I am not making any argument.  I am just trying to find out what exactly upsets you and stops you playing in a situation where you are better off then if the special offer is not in place when you would seem happy to play.  I take from your answer that you wouldn't like the flow of cards to be different because of the offer as it would affect the cards you get on your hands as opposed to being worried about the likelihood of novice punters being exploited by the offer and doubling in bad spots against an ace on like 8 or 9.

I assume the bolded statement is you being serious and not another level?


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: RED-DOG on March 23, 2015, 10:06:06 AM
Aaron is right. I wouldn't play with people who didn't play properly.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: aaron1867 on March 23, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
I might not be right, don't claim to be either, maybe ArgueBoy think the odds are in our favour, maybe that's the point he's trying to make. Why would you double against such cards that are fantastic for the dealer?


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: tikay on March 23, 2015, 10:22:51 AM
I might not be right, don't claim to be either, maybe ArgueBoy think the odds are in our favour, maybe that's the point he's trying to make. Why would you double against such cards that are fantastic for the dealer?

That's for you to decide, but what other players do has no bearing, surely?


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: Cf on March 23, 2015, 10:59:03 AM
Who cares what other players at the table do? Makes absolutely no difference to you.

Allowing surrender is excellent. That money back on doubles sounds good but I've always preferred blackjack with a hole card. Slightly better odds and just gets on with it when the dealer has pulled blackjack.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
I might not be right, don't claim to be either, maybe ArgueBoy think the odds are in our favour, maybe that's the point he's trying to make. Why would you double against such cards that are fantastic for the dealer?

Are you not a fan of doubling 11 against a dealer's 10 arron?  Is that not really your bag either?  With or without the promotion?  Too risky doubling 11 against a 10 as it is a fantastic dealer card the 10?


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: Karabiner on March 23, 2015, 11:01:51 AM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.

Never seen this anywhere except some Vegas hotels.

Hats off, it's a great concession.

Can you double any two? Double after split?

I do not like the surrender thing, but I do believe that the double feature is on 9,10 & 11, similar to free bet blackjack. I wouldn't be too sure if good blackjack players would appreciate the game being played out differently because of the "offers".

Double is on any 2 cards at DTD mate.

How much did you win?


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: tikay on March 23, 2015, 11:07:59 AM
Who cares what other players at the table do? Makes absolutely no difference to you.

Allowing surrender is excellent. That money back on doubles sounds good but I've always preferred blackjack with a hole card. Slightly better odds and just gets on with it when the dealer has pulled blackjack.

I sadly confess I used to play way too much Blackjack in the distant past (going back 30 years now) but that was always my view - it made no difference what others did, I did not care a jot.

It must be one of the great myths & misnomers of gambling that it makes a difference what others do at a Blackjack table.

I could lose plenty, without their help, tyvm.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: Woodsey on March 23, 2015, 11:10:05 AM
Yes it is on the basis they refund all doubles and splits if the dealer gets blackjack.  Also allow you to surrender against all dealer hands except blackjack to get half your stake back.

Never seen this anywhere except some Vegas hotels.

Hats off, it's a great concession.

Can you double any two? Double after split?

I do not like the surrender thing, but I do believe that the double feature is on 9,10 & 11, similar to free bet blackjack. I wouldn't be too sure if good blackjack players would appreciate the game being played out differently because of the "offers".

Double is on any 2 cards at DTD mate.

How much did you win?

Think about £1200, but that was due to several binks on roulette lol


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: Marky147 on March 23, 2015, 11:10:57 AM
Only took 2 pages to get to the real reason for the thread ;D


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: RED-DOG on March 23, 2015, 01:59:24 PM
Aaron is right. I wouldn't play with people who didn't play properly.


I was fishing but I didn't get a single bite.  :(


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: tikay on March 23, 2015, 03:09:26 PM
Aaron is right. I wouldn't play with people who didn't play properly.


I was fishing but I didn't get a single bite.  :(

Most of us knew EXACTLY what you mean't.

;)


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: dakky on March 23, 2015, 04:25:19 PM
I might not be right, don't claim to be either, maybe ArgueBoy think the odds are in our favour, maybe that's the point he's trying to make. Why would you double against such cards that are fantastic for the dealer?

Are you not a fan of doubling 11 against a dealer's 10 arron?  Is that not really your bag either?  With or without the promotion?  Too risky doubling 11 against a 10 as it is a fantastic dealer card the 10?

It would be a mistake (and therefore "Not playing correctly"  not to double 11 vs a ten! Also not splitting AA and 88 vs ace and pictures would also be mistakes


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: DungBeetle on March 23, 2015, 04:34:31 PM
Who cares what other players at the table do? Makes absolutely no difference to you.

Allowing surrender is excellent. That money back on doubles sounds good but I've always preferred blackjack with a hole card. Slightly better odds and just gets on with it when the dealer has pulled blackjack.

I sadly confess I used to play way too much Blackjack in the distant past (going back 30 years now) but that was always my view - it made no difference what others did, I did not care a jot.

It must be one of the great myths & misnomers of gambling that it makes a difference what others do at a Blackjack table.

I could lose plenty, without their help, tyvm.

My friend once drew a card on 19 and got a 2, but it led to the Dealer getting Blackjack.

The bloke at the end pretty much turned into the Hulk when the Ace came down.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: Cf on March 23, 2015, 04:35:58 PM
I might not be right, don't claim to be either, maybe ArgueBoy think the odds are in our favour, maybe that's the point he's trying to make. Why would you double against such cards that are fantastic for the dealer?

Are you not a fan of doubling 11 against a dealer's 10 arron?  Is that not really your bag either?  With or without the promotion?  Too risky doubling 11 against a 10 as it is a fantastic dealer card the 10?

It would be a mistake (and therefore "Not playing correctly"  not to double 11 vs a ten! Also not splitting AA and 88 vs ace and pictures would also be mistakes

This is wrong I believe. You'd double and split these hands in the US but over here the lack of a hole card turns them into hits (or in 88's case surrender if possible).

DTD's money back on double/splits against blackjack might change this to work as per the US game. Other games though you should be hitting these hands.


Title: Re: DTD best blackjack odds/rules in Nottingham?
Post by: dik9 on March 25, 2015, 12:11:23 AM
In essence CF it is played as the US, bar the fact we draw cards rather than the dealer having 2 in the hole, some procedures are slightly different because we have to draw to a single card. Dakky is spot on.

http://www.thecasinonottingham.co.uk/blackjack/