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Title: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Waz1892 on March 23, 2015, 07:02:01 AM
If you were in the live audience, and had the chance to ask either Miliband or Cameron a question....

Who would you ask, and what would you ask?


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: neeko on March 23, 2015, 07:26:22 AM
"I know you are a politician so you won't answer the question I actually asked but..... What % of GDP will govt spending be at the end of a 5 year term of your govt?


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Woodsey on March 23, 2015, 08:08:55 AM
To Milliclown....why didn't you let your brother have a free run at the leadership? He'd have a much better chance of winning the general election than you.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: teddybloat on March 23, 2015, 08:39:25 AM
To the leaders of the main parties.

1 which one are you, again?

2 please state one policy / political principle of yours that could not be held or made by the leaders of the other parties




Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: redsimon on March 23, 2015, 09:55:25 AM
To Milliclown....why didn't you let your brother have a free run at the leadership? He'd have a much better chance of winning the general election than you.

I'll bite, but this narrative is so ridiculous. They had different perspectives for how Labour responded to the 2010 defeat. Why shouldn't he (Ed M.) had stood? Alan Johnson would have been a better leader though imho.

I think if David M. had won that all the stuff about Iraq would have come into focus now rather than be buried until after the GE.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
I would like to ask both leaders 'why are you so keen to continue to fuel the housing bubble with yet more effective government subsidies, such as the recent deposit ISA plan where the government is going to add £3k to your deposit, yet you constantly say you are on the side of hard working families who are finding it harder and harder to afford to buy their own home because of this artificially tinkering of the housing markets?  

Why can't you just accept that house prices don't need to keep getting to incredibly artificial levels compared to wages in order to win votes and if you want house prices to get to affordable levels then it is much easier to stop artificially playing with the housing market in ways which actually increase house prices'


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: DungBeetle on March 23, 2015, 10:15:16 AM
To Miliband:

"You constantly tell us that the Tories are the party who support tax avoiders.  I assume from that you think that DOTAS, Google Tax and GAAR are ineffective pieces of legislation.  Please could you explain why they are ineffective and what legislation your Government would bring in to remedy the situation, especially in light of the fact that there were very few anti avoidance measures taken during the Labour government of 1997 to 2010."


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: AndrewT on March 23, 2015, 12:29:29 PM
I would like to ask both leaders 'why are you so keen to continue to fuel the housing bubble with yet more effective government subsidies, such as the recent deposit ISA plan where the government is going to add £3k to your deposit, yet you constantly say you are on the side of hard working families who are finding it harder and harder to afford to buy their own home because of this artificially tinkering of the housing markets?   

Why can't you just accept that house prices don't need to keep getting to incredibly artificial levels compared to wages in order to win votes and if you want house prices to get to affordable levels then it is much easier to stop artificially playing with the housing market in ways which actually increase house prices'

Isn't the thing that they do have to keep going up, as it's a bubble. Homeowners view the paper value of their house as money in the bank, which gives governments such a huge amount of leeway to stiff them elsewhere.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: neeko on March 23, 2015, 01:22:06 PM
I would like to ask both leaders 'why are you so keen to continue to fuel the housing bubble with yet more effective government subsidies, such as the recent deposit ISA plan where the government is going to add £3k to your deposit, yet you constantly say you are on the side of hard working families who are finding it harder and harder to afford to buy their own home because of this artificially tinkering of the housing markets?   

Why can't you just accept that house prices don't need to keep getting to incredibly artificial levels compared to wages in order to win votes and if you want house prices to get to affordable levels then it is much easier to stop artificially playing with the housing market in ways which actually increase house prices'

Isn't the thing that they do have to keep going up, as it's a bubble. Homeowners view the paper value of their house as money in the bank, which gives governments such a huge amount of leeway to stiff them elsewhere.

Even more cynically - old people vote, old people have more housing equity so increase house prices to make them vote for you.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Kmac84 on March 26, 2015, 10:36:29 PM
This is poor.  Not much debate, more like a part political broadcast.

Ed coming off a little better imo, be interesting to see what Paxman does to him.



Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: bobAlike on March 26, 2015, 10:44:22 PM
I don't believe there was much substance to what Mili said.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Woodsey on March 26, 2015, 10:49:48 PM
To Milliclown....why didn't you let your brother have a free run at the leadership? He'd have a much better chance of winning the general election than you.

Sick question Sunil  rotflmfao


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: cambridgealex on March 26, 2015, 11:02:07 PM
Paxman vs Ed was brutal!

#northlondongeek


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: nirvana on March 26, 2015, 11:03:32 PM
Terrible format, pointless sloganeering, ridic questions from Paxo...complete turn off in electoral turn out terms



Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: nirvana on March 26, 2015, 11:04:14 PM
Paxman vs Ed was brutal!

#northlondongeek

Killed him at the end with 'are you alright Ed?'


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: The Camel on March 26, 2015, 11:12:14 PM
I really really like Ed Miliband.

He's going to lose, but I like him.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: The Camel on March 26, 2015, 11:14:35 PM
I really really like Ed Miliband.

He's going to lose, but I like him.

Scrub that.

He's not going to win rather he's going to lose. Because I doubt there will be any winners in this election.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: baldock92 on March 26, 2015, 11:21:26 PM
Paxman went far too personal against Miliband, perhaps to protect his own ego. I've gained a bit of respect for Ed after tonight, he seemed to be more direct and less question dodging than Cameron. The next few weeks will be interesting


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Woodsey on March 26, 2015, 11:21:56 PM
All politics aside, as a salesperson who regularly gets grilled hard by Docs/pharmacists etc in presentations I really admire Cameron's coolness, charisma and ability to deal with questions under huge pressure. I wish I had even half of the abilities he has...full respect, Tony Blair had that also......


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Tal on March 26, 2015, 11:22:28 PM
ICM poll:
54% thought Cameron "won" it;
46% Miliband


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: The Camel on March 26, 2015, 11:24:09 PM
All politics aside, as a salesperson who regularly gets grilled hard by Docs/pharmacists etc in presentations I really admire Cameron's coolness, charisma and ability to deal with questions under huge pressure. I wish I had even half of the abilities he has...full respect, Tony Blair had that also......

Meh. Those are not qualities I look for in politicians.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Woodsey on March 26, 2015, 11:28:42 PM
All politics aside, as a salesperson who regularly gets grilled hard by Docs/pharmacists etc in presentations I really admire Cameron's coolness, charisma and ability to deal with questions under huge pressure. I wish I had even half of the abilities he has...full respect, Tony Blair had that also......

Meh. Those are not qualities I look for in politicians.

I wasn't saying I did either, but in my job where they are really important I am envious of those who have sick skills in these areas...


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: RickBFA on March 26, 2015, 11:31:53 PM
Milliband's heart is in the right place but there is no way he is a leader.



Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: arbboy on March 26, 2015, 11:37:34 PM
Worse collection of party leaders in my lifetime.  Cameron the best of a terrible bunch.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: The Camel on March 26, 2015, 11:55:25 PM
Worse collection of party leaders in my lifetime.  Cameron the best of a terrible bunch.

I doubt there will ever be worse than Thatcher and Blair.

Hope not anyway.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Kmac84 on March 27, 2015, 12:14:34 AM
Worse collection of party leaders in my lifetime.  Cameron the best of a terrible bunch.

Lol, speaks Tory Boy. 

Caeron isn't a patch on Sturgeon, Salmond or Harvie, Wood, God forbid even Ruth Davidson comes across as more capable of leading the Tory branch office in Glasgow. 


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Woodsey on March 27, 2015, 12:19:37 AM
Worse collection of party leaders in my lifetime.  Cameron the best of a terrible bunch.

Lol, speaks Tory Boy.  

Caeron isn't a patch on Sturgeon, Salmond or Harvie, Wood, God forbid even Ruth Davidson comes across as more capable of leading the Tory branch office in Glasgow.  

All of whom are smaller than my farts  rotflmfao


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Kmac84 on March 27, 2015, 12:25:32 AM
Worse collection of party leaders in my lifetime.  Cameron the best of a terrible bunch.

Lol, speaks Tory Boy.  

Caeron isn't a patch on Sturgeon, Salmond or Harvie, Wood, God forbid even Ruth Davidson comes across as more capable of leading the Tory branch office in Glasgow.  

All of whom are smaller than my farts  rotflmfao

You must have some size of arse mate. 



Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Woodsey on March 27, 2015, 12:28:08 AM
Worse collection of party leaders in my lifetime.  Cameron the best of a terrible bunch.

Lol, speaks Tory Boy.  

Caeron isn't a patch on Sturgeon, Salmond or Harvie, Wood, God forbid even Ruth Davidson comes across as more capable of leading the Tory branch office in Glasgow.  

All of whom are smaller than my farts  rotflmfao

You must have some size of arse mate. 



 :)


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: david3103 on March 27, 2015, 07:01:48 AM
Sturgeon et al have the advantage of not being responsible for very much.

Clegg 'won' all the debates last time around but failed when the pressure was on and decisions actually mattered.

Ultimately the issue shouldn't be a Leaders' Contest, it should be about the balance of choosing a good local representative and the party whose policies and philosophies you believe are best suited to the situation.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Waz1892 on March 27, 2015, 07:51:48 AM
I was fortunate enough to be in the audience last night, and it was great to see it live and up close.

Paxman went too far with Ed i think, but he does his job well i guess.

Cameron defo dodged, and i felt whatever the question was asked he bought it back to the economy. At least Ed answer all the questions.

Was a great experiance. 


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: redsimon on March 27, 2015, 10:20:39 AM
ICM poll:
54% thought Cameron "won" it;
46% Miliband

That gaps a lot closer than the usual one between the two?

Pity it wasn't actually a "debate" though.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: TightEnd on March 27, 2015, 10:26:51 AM
i thought ed performed comfortably better than cameron, and "won"

54-46 cameron is an ok result for ed given his personal poll ratings are half as high as Cameron, but it does rather speak to his problem.

He "wins" according to many and is then polls as losing....

thought the public questioning was horrendous. thought kay burley was awful. 

 


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Kmac84 on March 27, 2015, 07:55:03 PM
i thought ed performed comfortably better than cameron, and "won"

54-46 cameron is an ok result for ed given his personal poll ratings are half as high as Cameron, but it does rather speak to his problem.

He "wins" according to many and is then polls as losing....

thought the public questioning was horrendous. thought kay burley was awful. 

 

+ 1 to all of that. 


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: aaron1867 on March 27, 2015, 09:11:13 PM
Amazing to see peoples response to the debate, if you are an outright supporter of either party then you will never say the opposition performed well, but in complete reality, there was very little between them. There was no embarrassment for Ed, neither did he win the debate, it was very even.

However, it was poor from Channel 4, I don't know if I was hearing things, but many times I heard Kay Burley murmuring whilst either potential leader was on, very annoying.

Very little to take from last night. Ed and his heart in the right place, but he isn't a leader and Cameron always dodged the question with a Tory written "fact"


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: DungBeetle on March 27, 2015, 09:56:26 PM
I'm no fan of miliband but I thought he enhanced his credibility last night.  Good on him after the grief the press give him.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: kukushkin88 on March 27, 2015, 10:01:32 PM
Amazing to see peoples response to the debate, if you are an outright supporter of either party then you will never say the opposition performed well, but in complete reality, there was very little between them. There was no embarrassment for Ed, neither did he win the debate, it was very even.

However, it was poor from Channel 4, I don't know if I was hearing things, but many times I heard Kay Burley murmuring whilst either potential leader was on, very annoying.

Very little to take from last night. Ed and his heart in the right place, but he isn't a leader and Cameron always dodged the question with a Tory written "fact"

This is spot on after the first sentence. Also worth mentioning that Paxman was like a 3rd rate school bully, embarrassing.

Just for clarity on the first sentence, I´m a big Labour man and a big Ed Milliband fan, I thought Cameron was very good.


Title: Re: 2015 General Election - First TV debate
Post by: Geo the Sarge on March 28, 2015, 08:13:22 AM
Amazing to see peoples response to the debate, if you are an outright supporter of either party then you will never say the opposition performed well, but in complete reality, there was very little between them. There was no embarrassment for Ed, neither did he win the debate, it was very even.

However, it was poor from Channel 4, I don't know if I was hearing things, but many times I heard Kay Burley murmuring whilst either potential leader was on, very annoying.

Very little to take from last night. Ed and his heart in the right place, but he isn't a leader and Cameron always dodged the question with a Tory written "fact"

Agreed

Geo