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Title: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: TightEnd on May 13, 2015, 12:37:00 PM this is in the news again with the appointment of a supposedly anti BBC Culture secretary
with multiple platforms these days, hundreds of channels around, is BBC funded by licence fee still appropriate? should it accept advertising? do you begrudge paying the TV licence fee? Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Woodsey on May 13, 2015, 12:48:14 PM Doesn't bother me really, doesn't cost too much and they do decent stuff from time to time and I listen to the radio everyday in the car.
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Graham C on May 13, 2015, 12:49:19 PM I don't mind paying it. They make some excellent programs and it's nice not having adverts in them. If you analysed my channel watching habits during the week I think BBC1 and BBC2 would be top of the list.
I do think it's a cheek that it's a legal requirement though. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: AndrewT on May 13, 2015, 12:51:52 PM The TV licence fee is the single best value for money thing in the world. £150 a year - Sky Sports is what, £400-£500 a year?
Something I've not seen mentioned (and someone correct my thinking if it's wrong) but wouldn't the scrapping of the licence fee, and the BBC taking advertising, be disastrous for ITV. Imagine if every ITV advertiser said 'we have to split our advertising budget now so we're cutting our spend with you by half' Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: scotty77 on May 13, 2015, 12:54:27 PM best value for money ever.
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Tonji on May 13, 2015, 12:55:30 PM Bargain imo.
My day starts opening BBC online for news. Radio 6 music & radio 4 throughout the day. Catch up with TV in the evening on the iplayer. So much quality content, Auntie Beeb is just great. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: DungBeetle on May 13, 2015, 12:59:10 PM If sky forced everyone to subscribe by law then their monthly fee would be a lot lower as well. You can't compare the two. If BBC was subscription then I would pay for it as I like their output but I resent the fact I am forced to subscribe under threat of imprisonment.
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: EvilPie on May 13, 2015, 01:23:31 PM If sky forced everyone to subscribe by law then their monthly fee would be a lot lower as well. You can't compare the two. If BBC was subscription then I would pay for it as I like their output but I resent the fact I am forced to subscribe under threat of imprisonment. Nobody's forced to buy it. If you don't record or watch any programs as they're broadcast you don't need a licence. Unfortunately it includes the non-BBC channels as well. If you only watch catch-up services or things like Netflix then you can just cancel your licence. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: EvilPie on May 13, 2015, 01:24:08 PM Doesn't bother me really, doesn't cost too much and they do decent stuff from time to time and I listen to the radio everyday in the car. You don't need a licence to listen to the radio. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Kmac84 on May 13, 2015, 01:24:56 PM Yes, I very rarley watch BBC or listen to BBC Radio I probably watch maybe 2/3 hrs per week of the beeb.
Also the bias at BBC on a number of issues is shocking. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: EvilPie on May 13, 2015, 01:32:07 PM Bargain imo. My day starts opening BBC online for news. Radio 6 music & radio 4 throughout the day. Catch up with TV in the evening on the iplayer. So much quality content, Auntie Beeb is just great. Everything mentioned above is a bargain because you don't need to pay for it. Just makes the licence fee a bit more of a rip off for you. Fortunately because you don't know about it you happily carry on paying without batting an eyelid as you think you're getting good value for money. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: scotty77 on May 13, 2015, 01:33:50 PM Yes, I very rarley watch BBC or listen to BBC Radio I probably watch maybe 2/3 hrs per week of the beeb. Also the bias at BBC on a number of issues is shocking. Just because it doesn't fit in your view of the world doesn't mean it's biased. I imagine just as many Tories and non Tories will claim its biased. Look at a broadcast like Putin's mouthpiece Russia Today and then claim that the BBC is some heavily government influenced organisation. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: EvilPie on May 13, 2015, 01:34:55 PM In case anybody wondered yes I do begrudge it but only because they don't make it clear whether or not you need it.
It's not a problem for me because I can afford the £12 a month or whatever it is but it's basically another "stealth tax" on less well off people as far as I'm concerned. Completely disgusting!! Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Kmac84 on May 13, 2015, 01:39:29 PM Yes, I very rarley watch BBC or listen to BBC Radio I probably watch maybe 2/3 hrs per week of the beeb. Also the bias at BBC on a number of issues is shocking. Just because it doesn't fit in your view of the world doesn't mean it's biased. I imagine just as many Tories and non Tories will claim its biased. Look at a broadcast like Putin's mouthpiece Russia Today and then claim that the BBC is some heavily government influenced organisation. Why would I ciompare it against Russian State Media? That is just stupid. I don't want it to subscribe to my views I want t to be impartial. There are many times I could site BBC bias. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: TightEnd on May 13, 2015, 01:53:34 PM Cameron has one chance to abolish the licence fee and this is it, says Charles Moore http://specc.ie/1HgH4op
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: DungBeetle on May 13, 2015, 02:02:25 PM If sky forced everyone to subscribe by law then their monthly fee would be a lot lower as well. You can't compare the two. If BBC was subscription then I would pay for it as I like their output but I resent the fact I am forced to subscribe under threat of imprisonment. Nobody's forced to buy it. If you don't record or watch any programs as they're broadcast you don't need a licence. Unfortunately it includes the non-BBC channels as well. If you only watch catch-up services or things like Netflix then you can just cancel your licence. If I only watch sky sports I still need to pay the BBC though? Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: EvilPie on May 13, 2015, 02:17:23 PM If sky forced everyone to subscribe by law then their monthly fee would be a lot lower as well. You can't compare the two. If BBC was subscription then I would pay for it as I like their output but I resent the fact I am forced to subscribe under threat of imprisonment. Nobody's forced to buy it. If you don't record or watch any programs as they're broadcast you don't need a licence. Unfortunately it includes the non-BBC channels as well. If you only watch catch-up services or things like Netflix then you can just cancel your licence. If I only watch sky sports I still need to pay the BBC though? Yes you do. That's why it's so shit!! Basically any TV that you watch whilst it's being broadcast no matter who's broadcasting it. You can listen to BBC radio 1, 2, 3, 4 etc. and watch BBC iPlayer as much as you want and not have a licence. You watch Sky Sports for 30 seconds and you have to give the BBC their 150 odd quid. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: mulhuzz on May 13, 2015, 02:39:00 PM BBC has the best rep in the world for impartiality.
seriously good value. would decriminalise though, make it a civil matter. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: arbboy on May 13, 2015, 07:28:22 PM If sky forced everyone to subscribe by law then their monthly fee would be a lot lower as well. You can't compare the two. If BBC was subscription then I would pay for it as I like their output but I resent the fact I am forced to subscribe under threat of imprisonment. Nobody's forced to buy it. If you don't record or watch any programs as they're broadcast you don't need a licence. Unfortunately it includes the non-BBC channels as well. If you only watch catch-up services or things like Netflix then you can just cancel your licence. If I only watch sky sports I still need to pay the BBC though? Yes you do. That's why it's so shit!! Basically any TV that you watch whilst it's being broadcast no matter who's broadcasting it. You can listen to BBC radio 1, 2, 3, 4 etc. and watch BBC iPlayer as much as you want and not have a licence. You watch Sky Sports for 30 seconds and you have to give the BBC their 150 odd quid. As for the product itself and what it funds it is cracking value for money IMO. It is just the 'paying twice for it' feel when you have a full sky package which makes it slightly tilting. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: DungBeetle on May 13, 2015, 07:32:56 PM Is is it really value for money? If you add up the total fee and take it out of government expenditure instead would you say the same? Would you want a government department to send 4/5 times as many staff to the World Cup when compared to commercial rivals? People only say its value because they look at them own outlay, not the total cost to the population. This doesn't mean I don't think the output is good though.
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: KarmaDope on May 13, 2015, 07:34:18 PM I don't pay for it.
Don't have an aerial plugged into my TV and everything watched is on catchup as i dont need to see it live. Most stuff I watch is downloaded anyway. I even tend to download stuff thats on Channel 4 etc so I can avoid the adverts. If I want to watch something live it tends to be sport so I'll either go the pub or to my grandparents lol! Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: DungBeetle on May 13, 2015, 07:36:48 PM Other channels don't escape dung fire either mind. Sky putting up my subs so they can pay Henry millions for his bland observations enrages me.
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: arbboy on May 13, 2015, 07:36:59 PM Is is it really value for money? If you add up the total fee and take it out of government expenditure instead would you say the same? Would you want a government department to send 4/5 times as many staff to the World Cup when compared to commercial rivals? People only say its value because they look at them own outlay, not the total cost to the population. This doesn't mean I don't think the output is good though. If you said to me I had to pay 50p a day to ŵatch the daily politics, bbc news, news night ( shame paxman has gone however) and use their website I would snap your hand off. Never mind all the other stuff you get. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: DaveShoelace on May 13, 2015, 07:41:13 PM Totally worth it just for the BBC website, which is the official "Is my internet working test site'
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: arbboy on May 13, 2015, 07:57:01 PM Other channels don't escape dung fire either mind. Sky putting up my subs so they can pay Henry millions for his bland observations enrages me. He has been massively average after his incredible promo build up for weeks prior to his first appearance. Much prefer souness and red nev. Wish they wouldn't just save souness for the champs league. He is their best pundit by a mile and should replace red knapp on the weekly super Sunday. Maybe he doesn't want or need the weekly commitment. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: RED-DOG on May 13, 2015, 08:09:05 PM Yes. I begrudge it because it's so difficult, if not impossible to opt out. it's not good enough that you don't watch it. you have to disable your equipment so that you can't receive it. how the F*** do you do that?
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Jon MW on May 13, 2015, 08:11:40 PM Yes. I begrudge it because it's so difficult, if not impossible to opt out. it's not good enough that you don't watch it. you have to disable your equipment so that you can't receive it. how the F*** do you do that? Can't be that hard even Sharples manages it :D Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: EvilPie on May 13, 2015, 08:12:08 PM Yes. I begrudge it because it's so difficult, if not impossible to opt out. it's not good enough that you don't watch it. you have to disable your equipment so that you can't receive it. how the F*** do you do that? No you don't Tom. People think you do hence the reason they keep paying it rather than face a criminal record. That's my issue with it, 99.9% of the population don't even know that there's a real option out there. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: RED-DOG on May 13, 2015, 08:14:55 PM Yes. I begrudge it because it's so difficult, if not impossible to opt out. it's not good enough that you don't watch it. you have to disable your equipment so that you can't receive it. how the F*** do you do that? No you don't Tom. People think you do hence the reason they keep paying it rather than face a criminal record. That's my issue with it, 99.9% of the population don't even know that there's a real option out there. So what do I have to do Matt, just tell them I don't watch it? surely everyone would do that. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: KarmaDope on May 13, 2015, 08:24:18 PM Yes. I begrudge it because it's so difficult, if not impossible to opt out. it's not good enough that you don't watch it. you have to disable your equipment so that you can't receive it. how the F*** do you do that? No you don't Tom. People think you do hence the reason they keep paying it rather than face a criminal record. That's my issue with it, 99.9% of the population don't even know that there's a real option out there. So what do I have to do Matt, just tell them I don't watch it? surely everyone would do that. I tell them I dont watch it and remove the aerial lead that connects the wall socket to my TV. Once a year a guy turns up unannounced, knocks on the door, checks that the wall socket has no aerial in it, and leaves. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: RED-DOG on May 13, 2015, 08:31:36 PM Yes. I begrudge it because it's so difficult, if not impossible to opt out. it's not good enough that you don't watch it. you have to disable your equipment so that you can't receive it. how the F*** do you do that? No you don't Tom. People think you do hence the reason they keep paying it rather than face a criminal record. That's my issue with it, 99.9% of the population don't even know that there's a real option out there. So what do I have to do Matt, just tell them I don't watch it? surely everyone would do that. I tell them I dont watch it and remove the aerial lead that connects the wall socket to my TV. Once a year a guy turns up unannounced, knocks on the door, checks that the wall socket has no aerial in it, and leaves. I watch everything via Sky. how can I plug that out? Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: KarmaDope on May 13, 2015, 08:56:23 PM Yes. I begrudge it because it's so difficult, if not impossible to opt out. it's not good enough that you don't watch it. you have to disable your equipment so that you can't receive it. how the F*** do you do that? No you don't Tom. People think you do hence the reason they keep paying it rather than face a criminal record. That's my issue with it, 99.9% of the population don't even know that there's a real option out there. So what do I have to do Matt, just tell them I don't watch it? surely everyone would do that. I tell them I dont watch it and remove the aerial lead that connects the wall socket to my TV. Once a year a guy turns up unannounced, knocks on the door, checks that the wall socket has no aerial in it, and leaves. I watch everything via Sky. how can I plug that out? You cant. If you subscribe to Sky you have to pay the licence fee afaik. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: AndrewT on May 13, 2015, 08:57:46 PM Tom, if you watch live TV you have to pay the licence fee.
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: RED-DOG on May 13, 2015, 09:04:19 PM Tom, if you watch live TV you have to pay the licence fee. I know. Tell Matt. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: scotty77 on May 13, 2015, 09:08:09 PM I don't pay for it. Don't have an aerial plugged into my TV and everything watched is on catchup as i dont need to see it live. Most stuff I watch is downloaded anyway. I even tend to download stuff thats on Channel 4 etc so I can avoid the adverts. If I want to watch something live it tends to be sport so I'll either go the pub or to my grandparents lol! Do you pay for the downloads from iTunes/Blinkbox etc? If not, then it's essentially stealing. Content theft is so rife online in so many areas and it's only getting worse. Poker sites steal from each other, vines, bookmakers etc. It's seen as ok but no different than going into a shop and stealing a DVD. Also the license fee isn't just for the BBC. It's for the broadcasting equipments that all channels use. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: scotty77 on May 13, 2015, 09:16:24 PM I personally feel the BBC is worth it for the World Service alone. Countless millions have used it in the past, and continue to use it, as their main source of news. No other broadcaster has that global reach.
Another thing that I feel strongly for is no adverts for kids. I think its terribly important that kids have content made for them that isn't just product placement or sandwiched in between 'buy this, buy that'. I was ill during my GCSE's and didn't spend many hours in class and the free content available on the BBC was invaluable As I've got older too, I've begun to appreciate Radio 4 and BBC4. It's very easy to dismiss the BBC because BBC1 dedicates so much time to Mrs Browns' Boys and Eastenders but if you go and have a look around there is so much good stuff there and for 40p a day it is well worth saving and fighting for. Having it also holds other broadcasters to account. US TV is appalling bar the few high quality big name shows. Also Sky would be cheaper if everyone who watched illegal steams either actually paid for the service or bought the 24 hour Now TV pass for the games that they want to watch. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: KarmaDope on May 13, 2015, 09:17:43 PM I don't pay for it. Don't have an aerial plugged into my TV and everything watched is on catchup as i dont need to see it live. Most stuff I watch is downloaded anyway. I even tend to download stuff thats on Channel 4 etc so I can avoid the adverts. If I want to watch something live it tends to be sport so I'll either go the pub or to my grandparents lol! Do you pay for the downloads from iTunes/Blinkbox etc? If not, then it's essentially stealing. Content theft is so rife online in so many areas and it's only getting worse. Poker sites steal from each other, vines, bookmakers etc. It's seen as ok but no different than going into a shop and stealing a DVD. Also the license fee isn't just for the BBC. It's for the broadcasting equipments that all channels use. I have Netflix etc but some stuff I just can't buy online - eg most recent episode of Person of Interest. When I can buy it, I do. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: EvilPie on May 13, 2015, 09:18:37 PM I don't pay for it. Don't have an aerial plugged into my TV and everything watched is on catchup as i dont need to see it live. Most stuff I watch is downloaded anyway. I even tend to download stuff thats on Channel 4 etc so I can avoid the adverts. If I want to watch something live it tends to be sport so I'll either go the pub or to my grandparents lol! Do you pay for the downloads from iTunes/Blinkbox etc? If not, then it's essentially stealing. Content theft is so rife online in so many areas and it's only getting worse. Poker sites steal from each other, vines, bookmakers etc. It's seen as ok but no different than going into a shop and stealing a DVD. Also the license fee isn't just for the BBC. It's for the broadcasting equipments that all channels use. From his posts that I've read on other threads I think Adam is about the only person on the planet who pays for what he watches on TV. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: scotty77 on May 13, 2015, 09:25:44 PM I don't pay for it. Don't have an aerial plugged into my TV and everything watched is on catchup as i dont need to see it live. Most stuff I watch is downloaded anyway. I even tend to download stuff thats on Channel 4 etc so I can avoid the adverts. If I want to watch something live it tends to be sport so I'll either go the pub or to my grandparents lol! Do you pay for the downloads from iTunes/Blinkbox etc? If not, then it's essentially stealing. Content theft is so rife online in so many areas and it's only getting worse. Poker sites steal from each other, vines, bookmakers etc. It's seen as ok but no different than going into a shop and stealing a DVD. Also the license fee isn't just for the BBC. It's for the broadcasting equipments that all channels use. I have Netflix etc but some stuff I just can't buy online - eg most recent episode of Person of Interest. When I can buy it, I do. Ah ok then. The system does need a change as so many shows are in that quandary. Hopefully netflix will offer a premium next day service in the future. sorry for assume that you illegal downloaded; my point still stands tho. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: vegaslover on May 13, 2015, 09:26:00 PM Totally worth it just for the BBC website, which is the official "Is my internet working test site' BBC website is also my 'Is the internet working test site'. Whilst I love the BBC website I don't think it is worth the licence fee. The tv side of BBC is utter dross imo Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: KarmaDope on May 13, 2015, 09:27:29 PM I don't pay for it. Don't have an aerial plugged into my TV and everything watched is on catchup as i dont need to see it live. Most stuff I watch is downloaded anyway. I even tend to download stuff thats on Channel 4 etc so I can avoid the adverts. If I want to watch something live it tends to be sport so I'll either go the pub or to my grandparents lol! Do you pay for the downloads from iTunes/Blinkbox etc? If not, then it's essentially stealing. Content theft is so rife online in so many areas and it's only getting worse. Poker sites steal from each other, vines, bookmakers etc. It's seen as ok but no different than going into a shop and stealing a DVD. Also the license fee isn't just for the BBC. It's for the broadcasting equipments that all channels use. I have Netflix etc but some stuff I just can't buy online - eg most recent episode of Person of Interest. When I can buy it, I do. Ah ok then. The system does need a change as so many shows are in that quandary. Hopefully netflix will offer a premium next day service in the future. sorry for assume that you illegal downloaded; my point still stands tho. Dont get me wrong, I do when I have to...but I do pay for things. Its the same with music. Its impossible to get CDs these days especially for what I listen to (heavy metal), and I listen mainly in the car so I have to download my albums. In return I use the money I would have spent on the CDs to buy tickets to see the bands in concert. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Graham C on May 13, 2015, 09:28:06 PM Also Sky would be cheaper if everyone who watched illegal steams either actually paid for the service or bought the 24 hour Now TV pass for the games that they want to watch. No it wouldn't. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: scotty77 on May 13, 2015, 09:32:09 PM Also Sky would be cheaper if everyone who watched illegal steams either actually paid for the service or bought the 24 hour Now TV pass for the games that they want to watch. No it wouldn't. Yes it would. Much like how all high street shops account for stolen items, Sky will be aware of the cost of the illegal streams and will adjust accordingly, even if it would only be a small difference in the monthly bill, it would still be there. Sky are an incredible company and I admire them nearly as much as the BBC. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Woodsey on May 13, 2015, 09:33:33 PM Well I've had an android TV box for a while now and I can watch pretty much whatever I want free of charge, just bought the box for a hundred or something and haven't paid a bean since.
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64212.msg1977632;topicseen#msg1977632 Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Longy on May 13, 2015, 09:46:11 PM No, big fan of the bbc. The website,radio, the current affairs coverage and documentaries are the best around. If it wasn't funded by the license you wouldn't get the quality of programming that the bbc does so well compared to commercial stations, you only to watch a doc on itv and think thank god we have the bbc.
Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: Graham C on May 13, 2015, 10:06:50 PM Also Sky would be cheaper if everyone who watched illegal steams either actually paid for the service or bought the 24 hour Now TV pass for the games that they want to watch. No it wouldn't. Yes it would. Much like how all high street shops account for stolen items, Sky will be aware of the cost of the illegal streams and will adjust accordingly, even if it would only be a small difference in the monthly bill, it would still be there. Sky are an incredible company and I admire them nearly as much as the BBC. Originally the price may have been set by factoring in an amount for illegal streams but if they were all stopped the prices wouldn't come down, it's not something companies do. Profits fell last year and they still made £570ish million. How much profit does a company need to make before reducing prices to their viewers? It won't happen. Spending £4.1 BILLION to show the football is driving prices up, and will drive more illegal steams. As someone else mentioned, don't pay TH14 silly amounts to do the same as whoever was doing it before them. You also have to take into account that a lot of people that download it simply wouldn't bother watching it at all if they had to pay for it. I have nothing against Sky but I do disagree about it being cheaper if people stopped streaming it. Title: Re: "Do you begrudge paying BBC licence fee?" Post by: aaron1867 on May 14, 2015, 02:57:45 AM I'm not big fan of the BBC or ITV for that matter, but £150 over a year isn't much and I'm sure we all spend a lot worse value elsewhere. Not to mention it covers the whole household, so if there is 2 of you, it's what 20p a day? Plus I think some of the fee actually goes to ITV too.
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