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Title: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: celtic on May 30, 2015, 02:40:02 PM
Hmmm.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: arbboy on May 30, 2015, 02:41:21 PM
Incredible he is being barred from MGM properties!  Hardly his fault.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: Tal on May 30, 2015, 02:56:33 PM
Incredible he is being barred from MGM properties!  Hardly his fault.

Was he looking at the right seat draw? The right clock? The right blind structure? Noticed who was at his table? Noticed he was in the plush seats in the main poker room and not out in the casino floor where they hold the daily comps during the series?

Not the easiest mistake to make genuinely. If he's a complete newbie and had no idea he'd done anything wrong, I'd be surprised that he hadn't checked his receipt.

This isn't like when you go to McDonald's and they give you a king size rather than regular fries by mistake. :D


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: arbboy on May 30, 2015, 03:17:51 PM
Incredible he is being barred from MGM properties!  Hardly his fault.

Was he looking at the right seat draw? The right clock? The right blind structure? Noticed who was at his table? Noticed he was in the plush seats in the main poker room and not out in the casino floor where they hold the daily comps during the series?

Not the easiest mistake to make genuinely. If he's a complete newbie and had no idea he'd done anything wrong, I'd be surprised that he hadn't checked his receipt.

This isn't like when you go to McDonald's and they give you a king size rather than regular fries by mistake. :D

Either way it is the dealers fault for not checking his ticket. 

If he is a total newbie he wouldn't have a clue who any of the whales are at his table anyway in the HR.  If he is in the know and at it he probably thinks spending $125 to get to sit in a HR for a few hours is a funny use of $125.  If he gets busted then he will get his $125 back and/or get to enter the comp he should anyway.  Barring him is just pointless and achieves nothing. 


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: booder on May 30, 2015, 03:28:34 PM
Pretty sure the three players he busted wouldn't have found it funny.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: arbboy on May 30, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Pretty sure the three players he busted wouldn't have found it funny.

That's being result orientated though.  I bet all the people who won big pots off him loved playing against a $125 casual in a $25k event.  Every time a player played a pot against him they would have had a decent edge presumably.  Whether they won or lost doesn't matter long term.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: Marky147 on May 30, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
If you try and have somewhere/thing over and get caught, you get punished.

I imagine there will be internal discipline for all staff involved, and seems standard that the dishonest party is, too.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: MC on May 30, 2015, 03:46:36 PM
Pretty sure the three players he busted wouldn't have found it funny.

That's being result orientated though.  I bet all the people who won big pots off him loved playing against a $125 casual in a $25k event.  Every time a player played a pot against him they would have had a decent edge presumably.  Whether they won or lost doesn't matter long term.

Yeah but then the argument is that it's unfair on the players not on his table.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: arbboy on May 30, 2015, 03:51:58 PM
Pretty sure the three players he busted wouldn't have found it funny.

That's being result orientated though.  I bet all the people who won big pots off him loved playing against a $125 casual in a $25k event.  Every time a player played a pot against him they would have had a decent edge presumably.  Whether they won or lost doesn't matter long term.

Yeah but then the argument is that it's unfair on the players not on his table.

That is a totally fair argument.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: Doobs on May 30, 2015, 04:01:20 PM
Pretty sure the three players he busted wouldn't have found it funny.

That's being result orientated though.  I bet all the people who won big pots off him loved playing against a $125 casual in a $25k event.  Every time a player played a pot against him they would have had a decent edge presumably.  Whether they won or lost doesn't matter long term.

Yeah but then the argument is that it's unfair on the players not on his table.

That is a totally fair argument.

They had an equal chance of drawing against the fish.  All just variance. 

With Marky on this.  He should definitely be banned too, tried to steal $25k of EV, got caught.  Nice try sir. 


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: verndog158 on May 30, 2015, 04:07:09 PM
i really hope he had no idea, and was sat there thinking 'cant believe Ivey, Dwan, Hellmuth' are playing a $125 comp!!'


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: tikay on May 30, 2015, 04:16:11 PM
Incredible he is being barred from MGM properties!  Hardly his fault.

Was he looking at the right seat draw? The right clock? The right blind structure? Noticed who was at his table? Noticed he was in the plush seats in the main poker room and not out in the casino floor where they hold the daily comps during the series?

Not the easiest mistake to make genuinely. If he's a complete newbie and had no idea he'd done anything wrong, I'd be surprised that he hadn't checked his receipt.

This isn't like when you go to McDonald's and they give you a king size rather than regular fries by mistake. :D

Either way it is the dealers fault for not checking his ticket. 

If he is a total newbie he wouldn't have a clue who any of the whales are at his table anyway in the HR.  If he is in the know and at it he probably thinks spending $125 to get to sit in a HR for a few hours is a funny use of $125.  If he gets busted then he will get his $125 back and/or get to enter the comp he should anyway.  Barring him is just pointless and achieves nothing. 

Disagree, Mr Argue. As far as the dealer was concerned, his ticket was valid for the $25k Event, as the Cashiers had issued him the $25k ticket.

The error was by the Cash Desk, not the Dealer. 

We can't prove the player acted improperly, but he almost certainly did. Everything about a $125 & a $25,000 event is different, & it'd be tough to argue he never noticed. 


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: arbboy on May 30, 2015, 04:33:03 PM
Incredible he is being barred from MGM properties!  Hardly his fault.

Was he looking at the right seat draw? The right clock? The right blind structure? Noticed who was at his table? Noticed he was in the plush seats in the main poker room and not out in the casino floor where they hold the daily comps during the series?

Not the easiest mistake to make genuinely. If he's a complete newbie and had no idea he'd done anything wrong, I'd be surprised that he hadn't checked his receipt.

This isn't like when you go to McDonald's and they give you a king size rather than regular fries by mistake. :D

Either way it is the dealers fault for not checking his ticket. 

If he is a total newbie he wouldn't have a clue who any of the whales are at his table anyway in the HR.  If he is in the know and at it he probably thinks spending $125 to get to sit in a HR for a few hours is a funny use of $125.  If he gets busted then he will get his $125 back and/or get to enter the comp he should anyway.  Barring him is just pointless and achieves nothing. 

Disagree, Mr Argue. As far as the dealer was concerned, his ticket was valid for the $25k Event, as the Cashiers had issued him the $25k ticket.

The error was by the Cash Desk, not the Dealer. 

We can't prove the player acted improperly, but he almost certainly did. Everything about a $125 & a $25,000 event is different, & it'd be tough to argue he never noticed. 

Ok i didn't read it like that.  If that is the case then the cash desk just have to suck it up and take the bollocking.  Banning the player makes no sense to me.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: The Camel on May 30, 2015, 04:38:47 PM
One thousand to one the player didn't realise what had happened.

Deserves to be banned.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: George2Loose on May 30, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
One thousand to one the player didn't realise what had happened.

Deserves to be banned.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: RED-DOG on May 30, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
Player should have sold his ticket to someone else for ~ $20k and legged it.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: arbboy on May 30, 2015, 05:08:13 PM
One thousand to one the player didn't realise what had happened.

Deserves to be banned.

It is probably also 1000/1 he actually gets paid if he does cash in the event as well.  Therefore he is setting fire to $125 purely for the craic of playing the event if he knew.  By the time the players made the cash the till wouldn't have balanced by just under 25 large, the CCTV would have been reviewed and it would be obvious it was this guy.  Having played loads of these 'daily $125's and $200s' in vegas i would say a big proportion of the field haven't got a clue, just want to play and won't even look at the ticket.  I think it is pretty likely he could have just got the ticket, asked the guy where his table was and went to sit down and handed his ticket to the dealer and cracked on.  Certainly don't think it is a 1000/1 shot.  If he is a total casual it is not a big price he wouldn't have a clue who ivey et al were anyway even if they were sat next to him. 


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 30, 2015, 07:37:01 PM
While I'm also in the camp that he probably knew what he was doing, someone playing a $125 tourney in Vegas is by no means a 'poker fan' who recognises when he is sat with the likes of Justin Bonomo, Doug Polk etc. A lot of people playing tourney's in Vegas have no clue about the high roller scene or the names of any famous players.

The first WSOPE at London Patrik Antonius left his seat to go to the gents, and I saw some random American tourist sat down and gave the dealer £200 and said 'is this enough to buy in?'. This table included Howard Lederer, Gus Hansen, Chris Ferguson, Tony G  and a few other bracelet/EPT level champs. She had no clue who they were or even that the WSOPE was happening.

Dude probably knew what he was doing, but IMO better chance of it being an honest mistake than most of you chaps think.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: doubleup on May 30, 2015, 10:27:17 PM

If he's a random tourist, getting banned is fairly irrelevant and if he's a regular he obviously deserves it.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: MANTIS01 on May 31, 2015, 11:31:07 PM
Lol isn't poker all about taking advantage of other people's mistakes?


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: vegaslover on June 01, 2015, 01:46:30 AM
It could easily be a mistake, at least to start off with. Vegas poker rooms are not exactly welcoming to newbies, particularly when a proper tourney is on.
Can easily see the guy just going where is told, sitting and playing, realising he is in the wrong tourney and being too embarrassed to say anything.

If he did know what was going on so what imo. Is it immoral?, probably, but this is gambling. The casino doesn't give you your money back when you fuck up.
He obviously hasn't bought in looking to scam the place, the cashiers fucked up.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: Marky147 on June 01, 2015, 06:29:32 AM
#Invalid YouTube Link#

Pokernews asking a Macau TD what he'd have done.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: MereNovice on June 01, 2015, 07:17:44 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnOfn7V2hzk

Pokernews asking a Macau TD what he'd have done.

Fixed your link. :)


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: Marky147 on June 01, 2015, 07:20:12 AM
Thanks :)

Not sure what I did there.


Title: Re: Easy mistake to make.
Post by: blueace on June 08, 2015, 05:19:37 PM
Been there, done otherwise.... In the ukipt at Edinburgh I had exited the main and entered a side event. As I took my ticket to the floor to be seated he pointed me to Liv Boerees table and a spare seat matching my ticket number. I sat down, thought about it for a nano second, then removed myself promptly to explain the error. Cant think why anyone would think it acceptable/forgiveable to do othewise.