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Title: New Laptop Advice
Post by: RedFox on September 24, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
Hi

My current laptop seems to be showing signs of fail.

Its about 5 years old and struggling to boot up.

I need for business as well as social so thinking of replacing.

I dont do any games or stuff.

Any thoughts on a good replacement up to £600 or so?

Cheers


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Ironside on September 24, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-aspire-e5-571-15-6-laptop-black-10136282-pdt.html

£500 can't  see you needing to spend that much though


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Ironside on September 24, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
I personally like a larger screen on my laptop
17.3' http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/1589946.htm


£440


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Longines on September 24, 2015, 03:30:53 PM
Whatever you buy make sure it has a SSD hard drive.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Ironside on September 24, 2015, 05:03:32 PM
is a ssd drive that important in work laptop?


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: muckthenuts on September 24, 2015, 05:31:15 PM
is a ssd drive that important in work laptop?

Nah i don't think so. They're great of course but not a necessity. If it was a work laptop i'd rather keep a bit of money in my pocket and go for the regular hard drive.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Marky147 on September 24, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
If it was for work and pleasure, I'd cough for an SSD.



Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: tikay on September 24, 2015, 05:51:22 PM


SSD?

Explain what it is, & why we do or don't need it, please.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Longines on September 24, 2015, 06:11:26 PM
The traditional hard drive is mechanical - platters, moving heads and other gubbins. Slow, fragile, noisy, create heat.

SSDs are blindingly fast, robust, run cool and use less power - all pretty useful in a any laptop but especially a work laptop that travels.

Just replaced the HDD in a 3 year old Dell laptop with a £70 256GB SSD and it flies. First tried formatting and reinstalling Windows on the old HDD and it still wasn't that quick.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: the sicilian on September 24, 2015, 06:13:18 PM


SSD?

Explain what it is, & why we do or don't need it, please.
Solid State Drive... has no moving parts.. very reliable much faster.. lits flash memory..like a big usb key :)

we sstick them in a lot of client machine now the price has become sensible


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: tikay on September 24, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
The traditional hard drive is mechanical - platters, moving heads and other gubbins. Slow, fragile, noisy, create heat.

SSDs are blindingly fast, robust, run cool and use less power - all pretty useful in a any laptop but especially a work laptop that travels.

Just replaced the HDD in a 3 year old Dell laptop with a £70 256GB SSD and it flies. First tried formatting and reinstalling Windows on the old HDD and it still wasn't that quick.

Now I got you.


When you use words like that, people like Tom & Karabiner understand.


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Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: TightEnd on September 24, 2015, 06:20:51 PM
how much are you paying extra for a laptop with SSD compared to not?

best recommendations - budget - medium range and high spec?

thanks


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Longines on September 24, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
You're paying more than the sum of the parts currently as the consumer market is price driven (SSDs are more expensive) plus the traditional HDDs win out on size comparisons - most laptops are now coming with 1000GB HDDs so it's tough to get Joe Public to think that a 128GB or 256GB would be better.

Will have a look for recommendations at the weekend.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: RED-DOG on September 24, 2015, 07:21:08 PM


SSD?

Explain what it is, & why we do or don't need it, please.
Solid State Drive... has no moving parts.. very reliable much faster.. lits flash memory..like a big usb key :)

we sstick them in a lot of client machine now the price has become sensible


Boo!

I would not have told him.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: EvilPie on September 24, 2015, 07:49:10 PM
If your laptop's a half decent spec I'd seriously suggest just swapping out the hard drive for an SSD.

I bought a 1TB Samsung SSD for about £350 because my laptop had gotten a bit slow. From switching on to being able to use outlook was about 3 minutes and I just can't wait that long.

Swapped the drive and it's down to about 25 seconds and is basically like having a new laptop but without the hassle of having to back stuff up. I would happily have forked out £1k+ for a new laptop like the one I now have.

There's probably nothing wrong with your processor, DVD Drive, graphics card, keyboard, track pad, chassis etc. A bit of extra RAM never hurts if you've got less than 4GB but that's about £35 for a matched pair of 4GB upgrades. If you buy a new laptop you're buying all this perfectly good stuff again.

They usually come with (or you can purchase) a cloning kit so you literally make an exact copy of your existing drive. Once it's copied you swap them over and switch on and away you go. Depending on how deep your hard drive's buried (some of them require keyboard removal!!) you could have it done in a couple of hours.




Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: mulhuzz on September 24, 2015, 10:29:01 PM
This is something of my area...

SSD use cases are more limited than the marketing would have you believe.

Their price £/GB is enormous (although falling) and will be replaced anyway in the future with PCM chips and the cost cycle starts again.

If you're storing a lot of work on the laptop you'll likely want more space than SSD can provide at a non-mental cost, which leaves you with either a two drive, an SSD + external or hybrid solution.

Best of both worlds (or Jack of all trades but master of none) would be a caching or hybrid drive which has a traditional moving head reading the platter but also a smaller 'flash' part which learns (algorithmic) what you access the most and stores that there. They are about £20 more expensive than a traditional HDD of same size, but don't often come as standard.

My own personal solution is a laptop with SSD and then a 12TB NAS system on the network where I can save the actual stuff I use (RAID 1 if that means anything to you) and back that up onto external usb drives.

Your mileage may vary, personal views not those of company I work for, etc.



Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: mulhuzz on September 24, 2015, 10:33:51 PM
If your laptop's a half decent spec I'd seriously suggest just swapping out the hard drive for an SSD.

I bought a 1TB Samsung SSD for about £350 because my laptop had gotten a bit slow. From switching on to being able to use outlook was about 3 minutes and I just can't wait that long.


The best 1TB HDD on the market (consumer) will run you £50 and a hybrid about £70 for comparison.

For most use cases the extra money doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Longines on September 24, 2015, 11:10:30 PM
Mulhuzz, you not think £70 for a 256GB SSD would be a better choice for many workers/consumers? I'm running W8.1/Office/Project/Visio plus a 5GB pst file, 5 years worth of documents, 20GB of video, 25GB of pictures, 8GB of music and still have 60GB free.

Not tempted to try RAID0+1 with 12TB?



Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Graham C on September 25, 2015, 12:22:57 AM
480gb SSD for £99

http://www.ebuyer.com/665519-sandisk-ultra-ii-480gb-2-5inch-sata-iii-ssd-sdssdhii-480g-g25


Use code SANDISK for £20 off.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: bobAlike on September 25, 2015, 01:19:11 AM
Mulhuzz, you not think £70 for a 256GB SSD would be a better choice for many workers/consumers? I'm running W8.1/Office/Project/Visio plus a 5GB pst file, 5 years worth of documents, 20GB of video, 25GB of pictures, 8GB of music and still have 60GB free.

Not tempted to try RAID0+1 with 12TB?

Please tell me you're not using this PST everyday? Asking for trouble IMO if you are.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: mulhuzz on September 25, 2015, 08:06:31 AM
Mulhuzz, you not think £70 for a 256GB SSD would be a better choice for many workers/consumers? I'm running W8.1/Office/Project/Visio plus a 5GB pst file, 5 years worth of documents, 20GB of video, 25GB of pictures, 8GB of music and still have 60GB free.

Not tempted to try RAID0+1 with 12TB?



The answer of course is 'it depends'

It depends on how much storage you need and what you're doing with it. For some people it can be a decent option obviously, but if you need more storage than that, then the question is, is it really £70 anymore? (By the time you buy an external, etc)

And as to Raid0+1 I would definitely (though raid 5 would be a small performance pref), but my NAS box is only two bay so doesn't support it. Can't complain though, it was free ;)


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Longines on September 25, 2015, 10:13:36 AM
Mulhuzz, you not think £70 for a 256GB SSD would be a better choice for many workers/consumers? I'm running W8.1/Office/Project/Visio plus a 5GB pst file, 5 years worth of documents, 20GB of video, 25GB of pictures, 8GB of music and still have 60GB free.

Not tempted to try RAID0+1 with 12TB?

Please tell me you're not using this PST everyday? Asking for trouble IMO if you are.

Probably my misunderstanding. My corporate Exchange mailbox is 5GB and there is an offline copy on my laptop for working remotely. Backed up locally and centrally every day.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: Longines on September 25, 2015, 10:15:24 AM

And as to Raid0+1 I would definitely (though raid 5 would be a small performance pref), but my NAS box is only two bay so doesn't support it. Can't complain though, it was free ;)

I'm obviously behind the times, had no idea 6TB disks were available. Saw 12TB and assumed it was a 6 or 12 bay NAS.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: EvilPie on September 25, 2015, 11:03:44 AM
If your laptop's a half decent spec I'd seriously suggest just swapping out the hard drive for an SSD.

I bought a 1TB Samsung SSD for about £350 because my laptop had gotten a bit slow. From switching on to being able to use outlook was about 3 minutes and I just can't wait that long.


The best 1TB HDD on the market (consumer) will run you £50 and a hybrid about £70 for comparison.

For most use cases the extra money doesn't make sense.

But would they make any significant difference to the laptop's performance if you swapped them?

The OP is talking about buying a new laptop. I suggested changing his existing hard drive to get the same effect. Would a £50 HDD be like having a new laptop?


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: RedFox on September 25, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
Thanks guys for the info.

Im still confused as to what will suit me but gonna mull over your advice.

I currently have an Aspire 5542 with 500gb HDD and still have 360gb free, so feel a SDD would be suitable.

The machine is tired and I plan to give it to a family member who will appreciate it.

Cheers


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: mulhuzz on September 26, 2015, 11:56:16 AM
Thanks guys for the info.

Im still confused as to what will suit me but gonna mull over your advice.

I currently have an Aspire 5542 with 500gb HDD and still have 360gb free, so feel a SDD would be suitable.

The machine is tired and I plan to give it to a family member who will appreciate it.

Cheers

ssd looks very suitable for you then.

wouldn't just replace hdd in current laptop without also upgrading the ram as well and by that point you're into the 'cheaper to get new laptop' sort of area.

I've had some very good experience with Lenovo, particularly Thinkpads. Would recommend.


Title: Re: New Laptop Advice
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 27, 2015, 10:43:21 AM
If your laptop's a half decent spec I'd seriously suggest just swapping out the hard drive for an SSD.

I bought a 1TB Samsung SSD for about £350 because my laptop had gotten a bit slow. From switching on to being able to use outlook was about 3 minutes and I just can't wait that long.

Swapped the drive and it's down to about 25 seconds and is basically like having a new laptop but without the hassle of having to back stuff up. I would happily have forked out £1k+ for a new laptop like the one I now have.

There's probably nothing wrong with your processor, DVD Drive, graphics card, keyboard, track pad, chassis etc. A bit of extra RAM never hurts if you've got less than 4GB but that's about £35 for a matched pair of 4GB upgrades. If you buy a new laptop you're buying all this perfectly good stuff again.

They usually come with (or you can purchase) a cloning kit so you literally make an exact copy of your existing drive. Once it's copied you swap them over and switch on and away you go. Depending on how deep your hard drive's buried (some of them require keyboard removal!!) you could have it done in a couple of hours.




Ha ha

Cant wait 3 mins, because that equates to 2.5% of your working day?