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Title: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 01, 2015, 09:11:09 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34419802


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: baldock92 on October 01, 2015, 09:40:57 PM
The frequency of these events is terrifying.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: mulhuzz on October 01, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
Without knowing about the story, I instantly knew what had happened as soon as I saw the thread title.

Whoever gets the US gun lobby to stop their bs and sort this problem out will go down as the greatest president in history.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 01, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Without knowing about the story, I instantly knew what had happened as soon as I saw the thread title.

Whoever gets the US gun lobby to stop their bs and sort this problem out will go down as the greatest president in history.

Probably would go down as a commy villain over there

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Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 01, 2015, 10:21:47 PM
45 school shootings in the USA this year.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 01, 2015, 10:25:16 PM
45 school shootings in the USA this year.

I thought I was desensitised to this shit by now, but that just made me spit out my tea. That's on pace for more than one a week.

Land of the free, apparantly.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 01, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
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Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: mulhuzz on October 01, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
And yet they insist it's the person not the gun who kills.
The stupidity drives me mad.

I cannot comprehend how this is allowed to continue.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 01, 2015, 11:11:55 PM
As I said in the last thread on this topic, a worringly large percentage of Americans are stupid.

If Sandy Hook didn't make them change their laws nothing will.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on October 01, 2015, 11:29:45 PM
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Why is the UK not listed there, Barry?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Doobs on October 01, 2015, 11:36:57 PM
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Why is the UK not listed there, Barry?

It doesn't matter, it is just another bottom left on the one I saw earlier


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: OverTheBorder on October 01, 2015, 11:42:22 PM
Pretty much sums it up unfortunately. Cannot see an event that will drive change in the States


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 01, 2015, 11:46:17 PM
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Why is the UK not listed there, Barry?

I believe it's just countries where you can legally own a gun.

Obviously all the others have much stricter gun control laws and background checks.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on October 02, 2015, 12:05:38 AM

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaoeumJDT4Q

Keith's best buddy posted this on Twitter, and I thought it was pretty good.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 02, 2015, 12:32:18 AM
I'll say this for America, despite all their faults they've somehow stumbled into electing the most impressive politician of my lifetime as President.

Obama's words tonight near enough brought me to tears.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 02, 2015, 12:35:30 AM

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaoeumJDT4Q

Keith's best buddy posted this on Twitter, and I thought it was pretty good.

It's a very funny routine.

But so many truths within.

The biggest lie is these peoplewho claim to be resposible gun owners who use their guns for protection.

If you are responsible gun owner, with your firearm under lock and key, it ain't gonna be a lot of use when 5 hoodlums invade your house is it?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 02, 2015, 01:01:47 AM
Anyone who use words from texts that were written hundreds or thousands of years ago, whether it be the American constitution, the Bible, the Koran or whatever, to justify abominable acts today is a dangerous and dilusional fuckwit.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 02, 2015, 01:08:10 AM
A bible lesson

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Woodsey on October 02, 2015, 01:12:18 AM
I'll say this for America, despite all their faults they've somehow stumbled into electing the most impressive politician of my lifetime as President.

Obama's words tonight near enough brought me to tears.

Never thought you'd say that about a Tory  rotflmfao


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 02, 2015, 11:48:17 AM
The shooters father is obviously from England

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34421741


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on October 02, 2015, 05:23:16 PM
Poor fella. What a horrendous situation for all involved.

A bible lesson

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc

Spooky, because John Conroy linked to that exact scene a few days back, on Facebook.

I've bought The West Wing box set off the back of it, too.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: McGlashan on October 02, 2015, 06:20:46 PM

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaoeumJDT4Q

Keith's best buddy posted this on Twitter, and I thought it was pretty good.

There's a lot of home truths being spoken there.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: bagel on October 02, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
As I said in the last thread on this topic, a worringly large percentage of Americans are stupid.

If Sandy Hook didn't make them change their laws nothing will.

a large percentage of english people are stupid as well.

the american laws are obviously the problem, if we had the same laws as the yanks (god forbid), do you think we would ever have these incidents?



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 02, 2015, 08:27:20 PM
As I said in the last thread on this topic, a worringly large percentage of Americans are stupid.

If Sandy Hook didn't make them change their laws nothing will.

a large percentage of english people are stupid as well.

the american laws are obviously the problem, if we had the same laws as the yanks (god forbid), do you think we would ever have these incidents?





Without a shadow of a doubt imo.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Ironside on October 02, 2015, 08:32:47 PM
As I said in the last thread on this topic, a worringly large percentage of Americans are stupid.

If Sandy Hook didn't make them change their laws nothing will.

a large percentage of english people are stupid as well.

the american laws are obviously the problem, if we had the same laws as the yanks (god forbid), do you think we would ever have these incidents?





Without a shadow of a doubt imo.

we had tougher gun control than the USA at the time of hungerford and dunblane
and in cumbria it was tighter still


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: bagel on October 02, 2015, 08:50:55 PM
 anybody who thinks it would not happen here if we had the same access to guns is completely deluded.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 02, 2015, 09:28:50 PM
anybody who thinks it would not happen here if we had the same access to guns is completely deluded.


Yeah! They need to get a grip.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: lucky_scrote on October 02, 2015, 10:11:42 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

Stomach churning this one. Honestly, I had tears in my eyes reading this.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DungBeetle on October 03, 2015, 02:04:26 AM
anybody who thinks it would not happen here if we had the same access to guns is completely deluded.

Quite.  Easier to talk of thick Americans I suppose.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 03, 2015, 09:39:10 AM
anybody who thinks it would not happen here if we had the same access to guns is completely deluded.

Quite.  Easier to talk of thick Americans I suppose.

After Port Arthur and Dunblane the people of Australia and UK accepted stricter gun control.

It seems like whatever the atrocity, Americans never will.

That is the difference. If we had the same gun laws as the USA I'm sure you're right.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on October 03, 2015, 09:47:48 AM

You'd think the US of A politicians & Civil Rights leaders would want to see better gun controls, too - it just occurred to me how many of them have been shot in my lifetime. I'm sure there are more than this, but without even googling, these names come to mind....

John F Kennedy

Governor Connally

George Wallace

Bobby Kennedy

Martin Luther King

Ronald Reagan



Seem to recall another - a Lady politician who was shot in the neck & paralysed, too.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 03, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
You missed a couple of sitters there boss

Abe Lincoln

Teddy Rosevelt I believe was shot during a speech but he brushed himself off made a joke and finished it

Wasn't Bush Snr also shot?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on October 03, 2015, 10:59:47 AM
You missed a couple of sitters there boss

Abe Lincoln

Teddy Rosevelt I believe was shot during a speech but he brushed himself off made a joke and finished it

Wasn't Bush Snr also shot?

What are you suggesting, Barry?


many of them have been shot in my lifetime


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 03, 2015, 12:07:37 PM
Oops

Actually even if I'd read your post properly I would have made the joke


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on October 03, 2015, 12:45:11 PM

Mass shootings in the US since 2012. ("mass" = 4 or more people shot).

986 of them. 



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Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on October 03, 2015, 12:48:49 PM
a very poor system for diagnosing mental health problems and treating them is part of the issue too


the pro gun lobby is everywhere

yesterday on twitter

Gov. Mike Huckabee ‏@GovMikeHuckabee

Obama can shamelessly try and exploit any tragedy he wants, but it's clear that gun free zones are sitting duck zones.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 03, 2015, 01:43:06 PM
a very poor system for diagnosing mental health problems and treating them is part of the issue too


the pro gun lobby is everywhere

yesterday on twitter

Gov. Mike Huckabee ‏@GovMikeHuckabee

Obama can shamelessly try and exploit any tragedy he wants, but it's clear that gun free zones are sitting duck zones.


Begging your pardon Mr Huckabee, but sitting ducks for what?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DungBeetle on October 03, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
anybody who thinks it would not happen here if we had the same access to guns is completely deluded.

Quite.  Easier to talk of thick Americans I suppose.

After Port Arthur and Dunblane the people of Australia and UK accepted stricter gun control.

It seems like whatever the atrocity, Americans never will.

That is the difference. If we had the same gun laws as the USA I'm sure you're right.

Yes that's true.  I guess the stupidity is the refusal to change.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Ironside on October 03, 2015, 06:05:06 PM
a very poor system for diagnosing mental health problems and treating them is part of the issue too


the pro gun lobby is everywhere

yesterday on twitter

Gov. Mike Huckabee ‏@GovMikeHuckabee

Obama can shamelessly try and exploit any tragedy he wants, but it's clear that gun free zones are sitting duck zones.


Begging your pardon Mr Huckabee, but sitting ducks for what?

for people with illegal guns


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Royal Flush on October 03, 2015, 08:45:50 PM
People comparing the UK and the U.S. on gun law is pretty silly.

The fact is Americans have guns, a lot of them, if they somehow banned guns overnight the bad guys aren't just going to hand them in, in short it won't work. Things will have to change very gradually through stricter controls. This will happen but guns will be legal in the U.S. until long after I die.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on October 03, 2015, 10:12:42 PM
anybody who thinks it would not happen here if we had the same access to guns is completely deluded.

Quite.  Easier to talk of thick Americans I suppose.

After Port Arthur and Dunblane the people of Australia and UK accepted stricter gun control.

It seems like whatever the atrocity, Americans never will.

That is the difference. If we had the same gun laws as the USA I'm sure you're right.

Yes that's true.  I guess the stupidity is the refusal to change.


That's all I was ever trying to say.

If there was the exact same amount of guns per capita in the UK I think there would be less gun crime than in the USA, but there would be alot obviously.

The refusal of the gun lobby to even countenance proposals that might reduce these tragedies is why I think they are stupid.



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 03, 2015, 10:32:39 PM
anybody who thinks it would not happen here if we had the same access to guns is completely deluded.

Quite.  Easier to talk of thick Americans I suppose.

After Port Arthur and Dunblane the people of Australia and UK accepted stricter gun control.

It seems like whatever the atrocity, Americans never will.

That is the difference. If we had the same gun laws as the USA I'm sure you're right.

Yes that's true.  I guess the stupidity is the refusal to change.


That's all I was ever trying to say.

If there was the exact same amount of guns per capita in the UK I think there would be less gun crime than in the USA, but there would be alot obviously.

The refusal of the gun lobby to even countenance proposals that might reduce these tragedies is why I think they are stupid.



I think it goes beyond stupid, it's evil sociopathic corporate greed. Gun sales go up whenever there is a mass shooting, I actually think they like it when these things happen rather than see it as bad PR.

Most of the (many) problems they have in America are the result of how easy it is to buy politicians.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 04, 2015, 10:24:42 AM
Shame I have to big up Piers Morgan, but give him his due, spot on here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0347qlf


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: kinboshi on October 04, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c17/JCtheMessiah/12120044_10154115905481509_2227027035749703073_o.jpg)

Staggering figures.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 06, 2015, 09:47:03 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34450841


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 08, 2015, 12:19:20 AM
I was reading today about a man who was barred from a cinema in America for smuggling chocolate in inside the magazine of his handgun.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on October 09, 2015, 01:57:21 PM
Ben Carson Says Holocaust Would Have Been ‘Greatly Diminished’ if Jews Had Guns

http://time.com/4067501/ben-carson-holocaust-popeyes/


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: mulhuzz on October 09, 2015, 03:17:22 PM
Ben Carson Says Holocaust Would Have Been ‘Greatly Diminished’ if Jews Had Guns

http://time.com/4067501/ben-carson-holocaust-popeyes/

Jews should arm themselves and Muslims are incongruous with the US Constitution .

Balloon.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: baldock92 on October 09, 2015, 04:02:30 PM
Another shooting today at a University in Arizona. 1 dead, 3 others injured.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 09, 2015, 06:55:12 PM
Ben Carson Says Holocaust Would Have Been ‘Greatly Diminished’ if Jews Had Guns

http://time.com/4067501/ben-carson-holocaust-popeyes/


What a crock of crap.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 09, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
And a second school shooting at TSU, two people shot.



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: AndrewT on October 09, 2015, 08:29:11 PM
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Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on October 09, 2015, 10:40:03 PM
If it carries on like this the Americans will ban school.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on December 03, 2015, 12:21:34 PM
New York Daily News Skewers Politicians Refusing To Act On Gun Violence: 'God Isn't Fixing This'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-daily-news-cover_565fa492e4b08e945fee15ce?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on December 03, 2015, 01:05:27 PM


There was another mass shooting at a clinic yesterday I believe. Just the 14 killed.

http://nation.com.pk/international/03-Dec-2015/mass-shooting-in-usa-at-least-14-people-killed-two-suspects-dead


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on December 03, 2015, 02:07:47 PM
2015 in the United States: More days with mass shootings than not http://nyti.ms/1OHyWy5 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVTG-8ZWIAA6G6m.png)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: AndrewT on December 04, 2015, 04:05:43 PM
Right now in the US, people who are on the terror watchlist (and so are banned from flying) are allowed to buy guns.

Yesterday there was a vote in the Senate to change this and say that probably these people shouldn't be able to buy guns.

It was defeated 54-45 - all but 4 Republicans deciding that having a little extra gun control was a worse proposition than allowing suspected terrorists to buy weapons.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/day-after-san-bernardino-republicans-line-up-to-crush-gun-control-efforts


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on December 04, 2015, 04:51:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVP_uKeVAAEDySR.png)

There has been a backlash this time, kicked off by Sen. Chris Murphy. After a stream of 'thoughts and prayers' tweets, those issuing them have taken a battering on Twitter and in liberal media for the hypocrisy of praying for the victims but doing nothing to improve the situation.

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Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on December 06, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
The New York Times ‏@nytimes

End the gun epidemic in America http://nyti.ms/1NztRVa 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVe6T7WVAAALFRU.png)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on December 06, 2015, 10:56:32 PM
Part of Jeb Bush's Twitter account on 2 Dec:

Jeb Bush–Verified account ‏@JebBush

Praying for the victims, their families & the San Bernardino first responders in the wake of this tragic shooting.

12:39 p.m. - 2 Dec 2015

535 RETWEETS600 LIKES.

Reply to @JebBush

Replies

Dec 2

LaDawn ‏@ladawncp

@JebBush prayers won't help

Dec 2

Jim Ludes ‏@JMLudes

@JebBush With all due respect, words are cheap. Any politician who isn't talking about solutions isn't ready to be president.

Dec 2

Guy Ziv ‏@ZivGuy

. @JebBush In addition to praying, please support sensible gun control legislation.

Dec 2

Chewy Smith ‏@Chewcipher

@JebBush maybe you should do something other than praying to an imaginary bearded dude in the sky. Hasn't worked thus far.

Dec 2

la bibliotequetress ‏@biblioteq_tress

.@JebBush Your prayers have done nothing. If you want to help families, stop guns from getting into the wrong hands. But that takes guts.

Dec 2

Susan Ariew ‏@EdLib

@JebBush @writerknowles Praying won't help. Gun control will.

Dec 2

JPQuébec ‏@JPQuebec

@JebBush Stop praying and do something with the @NRA

Dec 2

Dan Bree ‏@danbree

@JebBush keep praying to your Christian god with Christian prayers to stop these Christian terrorists. Or maybe do something that helps.

Dec 2

neigh-ver tweet ‏@ozjimbob

@JebBush praying sure helped the other 350 times a mass shooting happened so far this year.

Dec 2

John Walkenbach ‏@john_walkenbach

@JebBush This is a general purpose Jeb Tweet. He just inserts the city name for each mass shooting.

Dec 2

robert_ ‏@rowast

@JebBush is this a saved draft or do you actually type these out? they happen often enough.

Dec 2

Dane Jackson ‏@danejacksona2

@JebBush that's all you got?

Dec 2

Gabe Uhr ‏@UHR

@JebBush that'll fix it!

Dec 2

Molly ‏@CSSRMolly

@JebBush yes keep praying - pray for this one and the next one and the next. Do nothing to address the problem.

Dec 2

simon ‏@stillwellgray

@JebBush wow, that's so much more effective than doing anything about this problem.

Dec 2

TruthHurtsTanner ‏@Stamina4sports

@JebBush @dliebelson Send prayers instead of alternatives, prayers riddled with words that don't carry hope. No idealistic sentiment.




Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on December 07, 2015, 01:41:33 AM
Right now in the US, people who are on the terror watchlist (and so are banned from flying) are allowed to buy guns.

Yesterday there was a vote in the Senate to change this and say that probably these people shouldn't be able to buy guns.

It was defeated 54-45 - all but 4 Republicans deciding that having a little extra gun control was a worse proposition than allowing suspected terrorists to buy weapons.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/day-after-san-bernardino-republicans-line-up-to-crush-gun-control-efforts

Surely it will be a bit of a tip off to potential terrorists that they are on the watch list if they are turned down the opportunity to buy guns?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on December 07, 2015, 09:50:16 AM
Merry Christmas from Republican politician Michele Fiore of Las Vegas.

(She's the blonde packing the Serbu Super Shorty.)

(http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/2232-vcinbj.jpg)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: BigAdz on December 07, 2015, 10:31:23 AM
Right now in the US, people who are on the terror watchlist (and so are banned from flying) are allowed to buy guns.

Yesterday there was a vote in the Senate to change this and say that probably these people shouldn't be able to buy guns.

It was defeated 54-45 - all but 4 Republicans deciding that having a little extra gun control was a worse proposition than allowing suspected terrorists to buy weapons.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/day-after-san-bernardino-republicans-line-up-to-crush-gun-control-efforts

Surely it will be a bit of a tip off to potential terrorists that they are on the watch list if they are turned down the opportunity to buy guns?

As a global community, are we not yet at a stage where even people suspected of terrorism links should be locked up?

I would imagine you have to be reading or discussing at a pretty hard-core level to become suspects, in the first place and therefore in the current climate, shouldn't have your civil liberties respected at the risk of thousands of others.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Graham C on December 07, 2015, 11:05:48 AM
Surely it will be a bit of a tip off to potential terrorists that they are on the watch list if they are turned down the opportunity to buy guns?

As a global community, are we not yet at a stage where even people suspected of terrorism links should be locked up?

I would imagine you have to be reading or discussing at a pretty hard-core level to become suspects, in the first place and therefore in the current climate, shouldn't have your civil liberties respected at the risk of thousands of others.
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Guantanamo Bay?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: BigAdz on December 07, 2015, 11:47:16 AM
Surely it will be a bit of a tip off to potential terrorists that they are on the watch list if they are turned down the opportunity to buy guns?

As a global community, are we not yet at a stage where even people suspected of terrorism links should be locked up?

I would imagine you have to be reading or discussing at a pretty hard-core level to become suspects, in the first place and therefore in the current climate, shouldn't have your civil liberties respected at the risk of thousands of others.

Guantanamo Bay?
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TBH Graham, if thats what it takes, so be it.

To my mind, if you keep your nose clean in life, you will be ok with the establishment. As I said, if you start to show signs that this sort of life interests you, then you don't deserve any benefits of the doubt etc.

As the the great Colonel Cheeseburger used to say "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Jon MW on December 07, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
I think the problem is assuming you have to do a lot to become a suspect.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on December 07, 2015, 11:55:05 AM
Right now in the US, people who are on the terror watchlist (and so are banned from flying) are allowed to buy guns.

Yesterday there was a vote in the Senate to change this and say that probably these people shouldn't be able to buy guns.

It was defeated 54-45 - all but 4 Republicans deciding that having a little extra gun control was a worse proposition than allowing suspected terrorists to buy weapons.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/day-after-san-bernardino-republicans-line-up-to-crush-gun-control-efforts

Surely it will be a bit of a tip off to potential terrorists that they are on the watch list if they are turned down the opportunity to buy guns?

Are you saying that known potential terrorists should be sold guns so they don't realise they are being watched?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: muckthenuts on December 07, 2015, 12:35:18 PM
Who or even what exactly is a "known suspected terrorist"? I strongly suspect it's a media invention to sell papers. Or am i being naive?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on December 07, 2015, 12:41:47 PM


TBH Graham, if thats what it takes, so be it.

To my mind, if you keep your nose clean in life, you will be ok with the establishment. As I said, if you start to show signs that this sort of life interests you, then you don't deserve any benefits of the doubt etc.

As the the great Colonel Cheeseburger used to say "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


So your saying there should be no 'innocent until proven guilty'? Just suspicion, that's all?

I bet you would have burned a lot of witches.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: muckthenuts on December 07, 2015, 12:48:45 PM


TBH Graham, if thats what it takes, so be it.

To my mind, if you keep your nose clean in life, you will be ok with the establishment. As I said, if you start to show signs that this sort of life interests you, then you don't deserve any benefits of the doubt etc.

As the the great Colonel Cheeseburger used to say "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


So your saying there should be no 'innocent until proven guilty'? Just suspicion, that's all?

I bet you would have burned a lot of witches.

But surely there's reason to justify the suspicion? Can anyone tell me more about this 'watchlist'. Do we have one in the UK?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on December 07, 2015, 12:53:02 PM


TBH Graham, if thats what it takes, so be it.

To my mind, if you keep your nose clean in life, you will be ok with the establishment. As I said, if you start to show signs that this sort of life interests you, then you don't deserve any benefits of the doubt etc.

As the the great Colonel Cheeseburger used to say "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


So your saying there should be no 'innocent until proven guilty'? Just suspicion, that's all?

I bet you would have burned a lot of witches.

But surely there's reason to justify the suspicion? Can anyone tell me more about this 'watchlist'. Do we have one in the UK?

I suppose it depends who is suspicious and why. I mean, it might be a member of the far right or the Klu Klux Klan that is suspicious of his Muslim neighbour, but even if we lock people up until we get to the truth, we have to presume innocence until we prove otherwise. We can't just "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: The Camel on December 07, 2015, 01:05:44 PM
Right now in the US, people who are on the terror watchlist (and so are banned from flying) are allowed to buy guns.

Yesterday there was a vote in the Senate to change this and say that probably these people shouldn't be able to buy guns.

It was defeated 54-45 - all but 4 Republicans deciding that having a little extra gun control was a worse proposition than allowing suspected terrorists to buy weapons.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/day-after-san-bernardino-republicans-line-up-to-crush-gun-control-efforts

Surely it will be a bit of a tip off to potential terrorists that they are on the watch list if they are turned down the opportunity to buy guns?

Are you saying that known potential terrorists should be sold guns so they don't realise they are being watched?

If they are on a "watch list" but not being arrested already, that suggests to me the security services are monitoring them in order to get enough evidence to arrest them in the future or don't believe they are a threat, but might have links to unknown people that will be a threat.

Either way, alerting someone to the fact that they are on the watch list (by not selling them a gun) will render the surveillence useless and pointless.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: EvilPie on December 07, 2015, 02:03:29 PM
Right now in the US, people who are on the terror watchlist (and so are banned from flying) are allowed to buy guns.

Yesterday there was a vote in the Senate to change this and say that probably these people shouldn't be able to buy guns.

It was defeated 54-45 - all but 4 Republicans deciding that having a little extra gun control was a worse proposition than allowing suspected terrorists to buy weapons.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/day-after-san-bernardino-republicans-line-up-to-crush-gun-control-efforts

Surely it will be a bit of a tip off to potential terrorists that they are on the watch list if they are turned down the opportunity to buy guns?

Are you saying that known potential terrorists should be sold guns so they don't realise they are being watched?

If they are on a "watch list" but not being arrested already, that suggests to me the security services are monitoring them in order to get enough evidence to arrest them in the future or don't believe they are a threat, but might have links to unknown people that will be a threat.

Either way, alerting someone to the fact that they are on the watch list (by not selling them a gun) will render the surveillence useless and pointless.

Pretty sure they've already noticed they aren't allowed on planes.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: BigAdz on December 07, 2015, 02:19:09 PM


TBH Graham, if thats what it takes, so be it.

To my mind, if you keep your nose clean in life, you will be ok with the establishment. As I said, if you start to show signs that this sort of life interests you, then you don't deserve any benefits of the doubt etc.

As the the great Colonel Cheeseburger used to say "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


So your saying there should be no 'innocent until proven guilty'? Just suspicion, that's all?

I bet you would have burned a lot of witches.


I probably would have Tom!

But lets be serious. I am talking about those that are on certain types of sympathetic websites/looking at guns/bomb making types sites etc. I am sure these people reffered to earlier have all displayed these characteristics, yet remain on just a "watchlist" until they actually do something.

To me, that is enough reason to drag them in. Normal people don't do this sort of thing, and when sensitivities are high, surely even more reason not to put yourself in a "grey area".

Put it this way, if I went on the scout for info on making bombs, I wouldn't feel like my civil liberties were being infringed if I was put into custody for a while until I was checked and and questioned properly.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: muckthenuts on December 07, 2015, 02:35:07 PM
A bit of google research confirms the idea of a terror watchlist is indeed an absolute joke.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html

The "no-fly" list has to be similar. Oh good we've stopped them from getting on a plane, i guess that should leave Mr Terrorist all out of ideas right? Wtaf.

Adz - i just completely doubt anyone is looking at bomb making websites or chatting to "sympathisers" on a internet forum without being pulled in. Like how would that even be remotely possible?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: BigAdz on December 07, 2015, 02:46:03 PM
A bit of google research confirms the idea of a terror watchlist is indeed an absolute joke.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html

The "no-fly" list has to be similar. Oh good we've stopped them from getting on a plane, i guess that should leave Mr Terrorist all out of ideas right? Wtaf.

Adz - i just completely doubt anyone is looking at bomb making websites or chatting to "sympathisers" on a internet forum without being pulled in. Like how would that even be remotely possible?


Dont you watch James Bond or Spooks???!!!


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Woodsey on December 07, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Adz - i just completely doubt anyone is looking at bomb making websites or chatting to "sympathisers" on a internet forum without being pulled in. Like how would that even be remotely possible?

Lets all click on this bomb making site and see how many of us get pulled up   rotflmfao

http://tag.wonderhowto.com/make-a-bomb-with-home-materials/


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Jon MW on December 07, 2015, 02:54:34 PM
Adz - i just completely doubt anyone is looking at bomb making websites or chatting to "sympathisers" on a internet forum without being pulled in. Like how would that even be remotely possible?

Lets all click on this bomb making site and see how many of us get pulled up   rotflmfao

http://tag.wonderhowto.com/make-a-bomb-with-home-materials/

The intelligence services may be interested in people browsing 'how to make a bomb' - but they'll be a lot more interested in the people who contact you after doing so.

Taking people out by locking them up is going to be pretty trivial in terms of fighting terrorism. Finding out who is organising them into cells - who is giving them orders/training/equipment is the reason to just keep an eye on them instead.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Woodsey on December 07, 2015, 02:56:45 PM
Adz - i just completely doubt anyone is looking at bomb making websites or chatting to "sympathisers" on a internet forum without being pulled in. Like how would that even be remotely possible?

Lets all click on this bomb making site and see how many of us get pulled up   rotflmfao

http://tag.wonderhowto.com/make-a-bomb-with-home-materials/

The intelligence services may be interested in people browsing 'how to make a bomb' - but they'll be a lot more interested in the people who contact you after doing so.

Taking people out by locking them up is going to be pretty trivial in terms of fighting terrorism. Finding out who is organising them into cells - who is giving them orders/training/equipment is the reason to just keep an eye on them instead.

I shall wait with baited breath then and keep a relative who works in the relevant field on speed dial  ;)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on December 07, 2015, 03:02:21 PM


TBH Graham, if thats what it takes, so be it.

To my mind, if you keep your nose clean in life, you will be ok with the establishment. As I said, if you start to show signs that this sort of life interests you, then you don't deserve any benefits of the doubt etc.

As the the great Colonel Cheeseburger used to say "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


So your saying there should be no 'innocent until proven guilty'? Just suspicion, that's all?

I bet you would have burned a lot of witches.


I probably would have Tom!

But lets be serious. I am talking about those that are on certain types of sympathetic websites/looking at guns/bomb making types sites etc. I am sure these people reffered to earlier have all displayed these characteristics, yet remain on just a "watchlist" until they actually do something.

To me, that is enough reason to drag them in. Normal people don't do this sort of thing, and when sensitivities are high, surely even more reason not to put yourself in a "grey area".

Put it this way, if I went on the scout for info on making bombs, I wouldn't feel like my civil liberties were being infringed if I was put into custody for a while until I was checked and and questioned properly.



I think I agree with this post and large, but it's a far cry from your original one.

As someone who has been hauled in many  times 'on suspicion', I know just how easy it is to create smoke without fire.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: BigAdz on December 07, 2015, 03:02:52 PM
Adz - i just completely doubt anyone is looking at bomb making websites or chatting to "sympathisers" on a internet forum without being pulled in. Like how would that even be remotely possible?

Lets all click on this bomb making site and see how many of us get pulled up   rotflmfao

http://tag.wonderhowto.com/make-a-bomb-with-home-materials/

The intelligence services may be interested in people browsing 'how to make a bomb' - but they'll be a lot more interested in the people who contact you after doing so.

Taking people out by locking them up is going to be pretty trivial in terms of fighting terrorism. Finding out who is organising them into cells - who is giving them orders/training/equipment is the reason to just keep an eye on them instead.

I shall wait with baited breath then and keep a relative who works in the relevant field on speed dial  ;)


Woodsey, you should have been locked up years ago for crimes against humour!


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: BigAdz on December 07, 2015, 03:04:16 PM


TBH Graham, if thats what it takes, so be it.

To my mind, if you keep your nose clean in life, you will be ok with the establishment. As I said, if you start to show signs that this sort of life interests you, then you don't deserve any benefits of the doubt etc.

As the the great Colonel Cheeseburger used to say "Round em up. Put em in a field, and bomb the bastards!!"


So your saying there should be no 'innocent until proven guilty'? Just suspicion, that's all?

I bet you would have burned a lot of witches.


I probably would have Tom!

But lets be serious. I am talking about those that are on certain types of sympathetic websites/looking at guns/bomb making types sites etc. I am sure these people reffered to earlier have all displayed these characteristics, yet remain on just a "watchlist" until they actually do something.

To me, that is enough reason to drag them in. Normal people don't do this sort of thing, and when sensitivities are high, surely even more reason not to put yourself in a "grey area".

Put it this way, if I went on the scout for info on making bombs, I wouldn't feel like my civil liberties were being infringed if I was put into custody for a while until I was checked and and questioned properly.



I think I agree with this post and large, but it's a far cry from your original one.

As someone who has been hauled in many  times 'on suspicion', I know just how easy it is to create smoke without fire.


I think that is largely down to your tash. Could be many a concealed weapon in there Tom!


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RickBFA on December 07, 2015, 03:15:01 PM
Merry Christmas from Republican politician Michele Fiore of Las Vegas.

(She's the blonde packing the Serbu Super Shorty.)

(http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/2232-vcinbj.jpg)

You couldn't make it up eh?

Total fruit loops.

It seems to be ingrained in a lot of Americans. I was over there recently and talked to a few of them about politics etc.

The level of paranoia is unbelievable. One guy in the middle of nowhere who was a chef, was telling me how critical it was to ensure everyone has guns, he told me the Russians had left a bomb in his diner last year :-)



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: AndrewT on December 07, 2015, 03:26:14 PM
Merry Christmas from Republican politician Michele Fiore of Las Vegas.

(She's the blonde packing the Serbu Super Shorty.)

(http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/2232-vcinbj.jpg)

"Hey, Mom, can I bring my Glock to the Xmas dinner table?"

"Sure thing honey, but TAKE YOUR DAMN SHOES OFF, we're not animals."


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: bagel on December 08, 2015, 08:44:40 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/business/media/guntv-plans-24-hour-sales.html?_r=1


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Omm on December 09, 2015, 06:37:06 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35047899

Smith and Wesson profits triple in three months.

No surprise that Walmart is the biggest seller of firearms in USA, always need a gun with your pint of milk.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on December 25, 2015, 03:57:18 AM
NBA takes a stand against gun violence.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOZUgjY54Pw


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/sports/basketball/nba-gun-violence-campaign-michael-bloomberg.html?_r=0


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on December 13, 2016, 04:30:41 PM
How to get media attention when you're running for Governor - enter anyone who donates into a draw for an AR15 rifle.

If you want a rifle, the AR-15 is one of the best, as evidenced by its use in the Pulse nightclub, San Bernardino and Sandy Hook shootings.


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-12-12/virginia-governor-candidate-corey-stewart-to-give-away-ar-15-rifle-for-christmas

(https://files.anedot.com/campaigns/c10d4d868527079ed6ec8/header_image/banner_big_new.png)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on December 13, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
Nutjobs...


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: exstream on April 17, 2017, 03:17:06 AM
Man on loose in Cleveland killed someone live on Facebook, claims to have killed 14 others in abandoned homes.
Police still haven't found him, been going on hours


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: booder on April 17, 2017, 09:51:39 AM
Man on loose in Cleveland killed someone live on Facebook, claims to have killed 14 others in abandoned homes.
Police still haven't found him, been going on hours


Chris Partlow on the loose ?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on November 05, 2017, 09:50:54 PM
And again.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on November 06, 2017, 09:42:32 AM
So that means two of the five deadliest mass shootings since 1949 have happened in the past five weeks.

But mass shootings aren't the real problem. It's all the small day-by-day shootings that really add up.

The count is much higher than I would have assumed - 13,158 deaths and 26,950 injuries in 52,404 incidents so far this year.

(http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/sites/default/files/charts-and-maps/framed/51fd6d40-2abd-4a58-9e24-7ac72fd4fbde.png?ts=1509958800)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on November 06, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
So that means two of the five deadliest mass shootings since 1949 have happened in the past five weeks.

But mass shootings aren't the real problem. It's all the small day-by-day shootings that really add up.

The count is much higher than I would have assumed - 13,158 deaths and 26,950 injuries in 52,404 incidents so far this year.

(http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/sites/default/files/charts-and-maps/framed/51fd6d40-2abd-4a58-9e24-7ac72fd4fbde.png?ts=1509958800)



Blimey! If I lived there I would sneak into Mexico. It looks much safer.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 06, 2017, 11:43:36 AM
I'm just so bloody relieved i live in a country where it's really hard (or at least strictly regulated) to be able to get your hands on a gun.

It's just horrible these things.



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on November 07, 2017, 09:14:55 AM
Not your imagination: mass shootings now happen more frequently in the US https://t.co/yM2MI8Ia7y


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Woodsey on November 08, 2017, 10:00:10 AM
I'm just so bloody relieved i live in a country where it's really hard (or at least strictly regulated) to be able to get your hands on a gun.

It's just horrible these things.

Hard? Not really......I can get one for you later today if you want? It’s more that we simply aren’t arsed about having them.....


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: lucky_scrote on November 14, 2017, 11:43:13 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on November 15, 2017, 12:09:41 AM
I'm just so bloody relieved i live in a country where it's really hard (or at least strictly regulated) to be able to get your hands on a gun.

It's just horrible these things.

Hard? Not really......I can get one for you later today if you want? It’s more that we simply aren’t arsed about having them.....

Yes, really... Easy enough to get one, if you know where/who to go to.

I haven't been in a supermarket over here for a while, but I'm pretty sure they aren't stocking shooters.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 15, 2017, 03:09:37 PM
Yeh i'm sure you can get 'em, I guess we're culturally just hardly ever exposed to guns, occasionally you see police with a machine gun, my uncle has a gun i've never seen it, thats about the limit of my exposure to weapons lifetime and that's probably not far off standard for a ~30yr old guy in the UK. Have to imagine in the USA for a hell of a lot of people exposure to guns is a lot higher, all police have 'em, your dad or your pals dad will have one etc, going "shooting" is a thing.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 15, 2017, 03:16:47 PM
Yeh i'm sure you can get 'em, I guess we're culturally just hardly ever exposed to guns, occasionally you see police with a machine gun, my uncle has a gun i've never seen it, thats about the limit of my exposure to weapons lifetime and that's probably not far off standard for a ~30yr old guy in the UK. Have to imagine in the USA for a hell of a lot of people exposure to guns is a lot higher, all police have 'em, your dad or your pals dad will have one etc, going "shooting" is a thing.

Yeah, the majority of people here have zero exposure to guns, I went clay pigeon shooting on Boxing Day last year and my mind was blown by the 100 guys there all ROFLing about with shotguns!


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Woodsey on November 15, 2017, 06:11:30 PM
Yeh i'm sure you can get 'em, I guess we're culturally just hardly ever exposed to guns, occasionally you see police with a machine gun, my uncle has a gun i've never seen it, thats about the limit of my exposure to weapons lifetime and that's probably not far off standard for a ~30yr old guy in the UK. Have to imagine in the USA for a hell of a lot of people exposure to guns is a lot higher, all police have 'em, your dad or your pals dad will have one etc, going "shooting" is a thing.

Yeah, the majority of people here have zero exposure to guns, I went clay pigeon shooting on Boxing Day last year and my mind was blown by the 100 guys there all ROFLing about with shotguns!

Round where my family are from the majority of families will have one or more gun, that’s just what us country bumpkins do, what you have just described I’ve done countless times.  ;snoopy'sguns;


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: lucky_scrote on November 15, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
In the UK if you own a gun in the sticks you're a farmer, but in the city you're a gangster.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Woodsey on November 15, 2017, 09:30:36 PM
In the UK if you own a gun in the sticks you're a farmer, but in the city you're a gangster.

No shit Sherlock, Seems they don’t need guns these days as acid is good enough for them in many spots....


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on December 12, 2017, 06:23:27 PM
Republican Senate candidate Roy Moor pulls his gun out and waves it around on stage.

I can't get my breath.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUIB9dFOE2c


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: bobby1 on February 14, 2018, 08:24:06 PM
Seemingly many casualties in a high school shooting with the shooter still at large.

Stay tuned for thoughts and prayers.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on February 14, 2018, 08:46:28 PM

Hard to get a handle on how bad it is. 20 or more injured apparently, no fatalities reported.

The shooter is still at large though.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on February 14, 2018, 09:29:23 PM

Suggestions emerging now that there may be fatalities.

Don't know if it's true, but I saw a report that said this was the 18th school shooting in the USA in 2018, and February is not over yet. Incred stat, if true.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on February 14, 2018, 11:42:44 PM

17 dead.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on February 15, 2018, 10:26:47 AM
the Washington Post's  brand new columnist  responded to Sandy Hook with this wisdom.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB73dqWsAAoHiy.jpg)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: EvilPie on February 15, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
the Washington Post's  brand new columnist  responded to Sandy Hook with this wisdom.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB73dqWsAAoHiy.jpg)

And the editor let that through? Incredible.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Woodsey on February 15, 2018, 04:22:34 PM
Aye, I’m running at a person with a gun  rotflmfao

If I’m already right by them then fair enough I might have a go, I guess it will be down to the fight/flight response in you though, you don’t know how you will react though....


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on February 16, 2018, 08:56:08 AM
what a graph this is

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWExD48W0AAc8_B.jpg)



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Ledders on February 16, 2018, 12:05:07 PM
what a shithole country


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on February 18, 2018, 09:56:02 AM
Tree billboards in Miami

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWK6tHVVwAAuhX2.jpg)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on February 18, 2018, 09:59:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWK3WMqXkAAQ4ks.jpg)


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on February 23, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
Madmen with guns aren't going to stop targeting schools. So is he right?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0M0QJ44PU


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: TightEnd on February 25, 2018, 09:41:30 AM
urgh

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Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Doobs on February 25, 2018, 09:58:32 AM
urgh

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW17fhBWAAE962x.jpg)

Some serious logic fail there.

I just had a look at the NRA twitter, and people are declaring this a hoax, or conspiracy to undermine the NRA, already.  What goes through some people's heads? 

Some people have sat in a dark room and organised the shooting of 17 kids and teachers just so you get to lose the concessions with an airline? 


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on March 06, 2018, 04:42:57 PM
Has anyone been watching Active Shooter America?

It's available to download on catchup. Pretty chilling.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on March 21, 2018, 11:08:38 AM
America's gun culture in 10 charts

Some interesting stats here.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Karabiner on April 22, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
"Naked Gunman Kills Three in Waffle Restaurant in Tennessee" sounds like some kind of spoof doesn't it.

www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Report-Naked-gunman-kills-3-in-shooting-at-waffle-restaurant-in-Nashville-552413?utm_source=


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on April 22, 2018, 04:30:59 PM
"Naked Gunman Kills Three in Waffle Restaurant in Tennessee" sounds like some kind of spoof doesn't it.

www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Report-Naked-gunman-kills-3-in-shooting-at-waffle-restaurant-in-Nashville-552413?utm_source=


That's awaffle.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: booder on April 22, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
Groan


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Karabiner on April 22, 2018, 06:43:34 PM
"Naked Gunman Kills Three in Waffle Restaurant in Tennessee" sounds like some kind of spoof doesn't it.

www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Report-Naked-gunman-kills-3-in-shooting-at-waffle-restaurant-in-Nashville-552413?utm_source=


That's awaffle.

I'm not entirely up to speed with the current state of affairs but the naked shooter allegedly ran off afterwards(barefoot?) and is still at large.

Is this actually a remake of American Werewolf in London?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on April 23, 2018, 02:15:06 AM
"Naked Gunman Kills Three in Waffle Restaurant in Tennessee" sounds like some kind of spoof doesn't it.

www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Report-Naked-gunman-kills-3-in-shooting-at-waffle-restaurant-in-Nashville-552413?utm_source=


That's awaffle.

I'm not entirely up to speed with the current state of affairs but the naked shooter allegedly ran off afterwards(barefoot?) and is still at large.

Is this actually a remake of American Werewolf in London?

Did he have any distinguishing features?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on May 02, 2018, 02:57:01 PM
The annual NRA-ILA Leadership Forum is coming up this week, where the Second Amendment will be celebrated and the nation's leading defenders of gun ownership and public carrying will be making the case.

If you want to attend, you will, unfortunately, not be allowed to bring your gun.

"Due to the attendance of the President and Vice President of the United States, the U.S. Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum.  As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance."

(https://wp.bloomjoy.systems/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/5ae4f7422000004100b8ff3c.png)

https://www.nraam.org/events/2018-events/friday-may-4/nra-ila-leadership-forum/



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on May 02, 2018, 03:03:15 PM
Oh the irony.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Doobs on May 02, 2018, 03:35:14 PM
Don'r president Tump and the NRA believe that the best defense against rogue shooters is for everybody to carry a gun?

Seriously wtf would they be attending this?  It doesn't strike me as the sort of event somebody who wanted to be impartial in the gun debate would want to attend.     


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on May 03, 2018, 08:50:22 AM
*Gasp*

We have to protect the President, but not the public at large.

Amazing spot, Mr Mint.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: tikay on May 18, 2018, 05:10:22 PM

"Up to 10 dead in Texas school shooting"



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on November 08, 2018, 04:10:49 PM
12 killed in a shooting at a California bar :(

If only all the bartenders had guns...


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Karabiner on November 08, 2018, 07:21:16 PM
Surely even the Yanks must realize that if they don't do anything about it nothing will change.

Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: bagel on November 08, 2018, 08:22:56 PM




Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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#soundslikewenger





Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: bagel on November 08, 2018, 08:28:07 PM
sarcasm aside

would it be any different ,in england ,if the laws were the same as usa ?

are the people that much more nuts?

how do you fancy everybody being legally allowed to have a gun in their inside pocket, while having 6 pints of stella down the spoons and then going up kebab shop on sutton high street ?

maybe i am just paranoid



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on August 04, 2019, 02:24:26 AM
Another one, this time in Texas.

20 dead and many injured :(


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on August 04, 2019, 03:22:41 PM
And another in Ohio on the same evening.

Says the police were nearby and managed to neutralise the shooter in under a minute.

Still managed to kill 9 and injure over 20  :o



Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Karabiner on August 04, 2019, 08:01:29 PM
The NRA obviously has copies of the piss tapes too..


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on August 05, 2019, 12:10:39 AM
To be fair to the donald, has it ever been any different?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Doobs on August 05, 2019, 09:05:27 AM
To be fair to the donald, has it ever been any different?


The problem is he emboldens these people with his rhetoric.   If he uses the same language about foreigners and people of different skin colour (not orange obv), then it all becomes normalised.   He also praises the most extreme commentators on Fox news and, other than Nadine Dorries and Esther McVey*, can you imagine any members of Government retweeting Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson? 

Sure this fella may have shot up Walmart without Trump, but he must be responsible for some of the increase in these hate attacks?  Dare say you may have a point on gun control given history and the numbers of members of congress and the senate bought out by the NRA.

* and maybe Boris after a few beers?


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: Marky147 on August 05, 2019, 02:02:46 PM
Of course, he definitely doesn't help things with his bleating.

I was only referring to guns, and it'll be tough to do much when they've got more guns than people.


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: MintTrav on May 02, 2020, 02:53:41 AM
Following last week's mass killing in Canada, Trudeau announces the banning of all military-style weapons.

There's a lot of opposition to this, including many pointing out that the killer used illegally-held guns, so it wouldn't make a difference, and Justin is leading a minority government, so it remains to be seen whether he can push the legislation through.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta8Kd7SVkcE


Title: Re: Soon, it won't even make the news.
Post by: RED-DOG on April 16, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56770200