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This was put in a paragraph of a thread i started - and i stated it was the biggest bollocks statement i have ever heard

Lets say that your starting off in poker and you admire a well known player - just ping them a question and nine times out of ten you will get a reply - as the majority of successful people want to pass there knowledge on.

If you looking for a job at a certain company - write to the Chairman/MD asking them what there looking for in the people they recruit.

Most people want to help other people - those people who think there experts and dismiss other people - usually know jack shit so just ignore them and find somebody else

Two weeks ago i saw a companies product that i would like to use on a job - i rang up the head honcho in Germany who took my call - i explained that i liked the companies product and would like to use it on the job - but it was to expensive for me to use - could he recommend some other options - 2 days later i get a call from their UK MD - who then comes out to see me - explains the benefit of his companies product -  result they offer to supply the product to me at cost price - why because i showed an interest - now saved myself 10k

Remember the majority of famous and successful people were just people before fame and money came to them - most people want to help

In the words of Mrs Doyle, that's nice

Most people in the business world give discounts or freebies to drag people in.

After that they will charge a premium for there services.

If i kept giving things away for free as a long term plan I would go bust very quickly!

how do you know he sold you the product at cost price?  Do you have access to his costs?  He is hardly going to tell you he sold you said product at 100% mark up on his cost price is he?  I really do wonder Mike if you are a troll like lil dave says.

yeah good point I often say the lowest I can go is £x otherwise i am not making any money. Obviously this is not true I am still making something just not as much as if i had sold you my product at £y

your both missing the point - the company turnover is in the hundreds of millions - they normally only deal with companies such as travis perkins the big boys - the md in germany took my call because he was intrigued why somebody was ringing him from the uk. and as it so happens i know the price they sell it to the builders merchant for and the mark up the builders merchant charges

one of my mates is a manager at wolsleys a multi billion pound business - though he asked me to get him a boiler from elsewhere because i can get it at a better price than he can even with his staff discount

its the old adage its not necessarily what you know its who you know and how you treat them

why do u get so well looked after mike by these multi zillion pound turnover companies?  What do you give back to them to get such treatment?

just thought i would post this

i smoke - fags are expensive - an chap from eastern Europe who works for me occasionally has a brother who is a lorry driver - he does not smoke but brings his brother 4 packs a month - which his brother then gives to me and i pay him the price his brother paid - no mark up - no catches - just delivered  

How do you know what price his brother pays?  Does he supply an invoice?  I doubt it he will pay in cash.  I have come back from holiday selling duty free tobacco to 'friend's' at 'cost price' but i add on a mark up to 'cost price' because they have no idea what cost price was because they weren't there when i bought the stuff.  They are still happy to pay my 'cost price' because it is 40% less than the uk retail price.

when you realise its not about the money - its about the people life gets easy - i do favours for people everyday its the circle of life

That is fine but you keep saying you get things at cost price.  No favours. blah blah but you have zero proof this is actually the case.  That is my point.  You will always get told this because they want the sale.  If i am wrong it is a lovely life having people supply you with goods and services constantly at cost price and they do all the work for you with no reward for themselves at all.  Enjoy (or wake up and realise the reality)

because the price is stamped on the side of the packet -

He works for you therefore there's an implied benefit.

jason mercier - just gave 4 tickets away to the dolphins game - free of charge - why because he is a decent guy - he gains no benefit

PR, increased twitter followers, equals bigger fee from stars when he sells his sponsorship services.  Nothing is 'free' my friend.  He will be getting something out of it otherwise he would just give them to his closest friends quietly and you would never ever know.  Why do you know?  Because he is buying PR and millions like you fall for the 'nice guy' bullshit.

Probably got given the tickets.

just dropped into my email box -

Hi Mike
Thanks for keeping me in the loop, either company are good to deal with, in fact ********* were asking me if I had heard from you last Friday so they are not too big to ignore a "squirt"
I am sure Richard will look after you
Let me know if I can help with anything else
Kind regards
Steve

are you related to bigadz mike?

I don't agree with what Mike said on the horses thread, but I do agree with him re the 'expertise for free' statement.  

Of course you can always argue that people will give time / goods / services / away because they hope that someone will repay them in kind and you would be right in a way, but I do stuff for people all the time, often they are people that will probably never be in a position to repay me, but by the same token, people that I will never be in a position to repay do things for me.

Pay it forward.  

If you consider one phone call to be expertise, then I would say you proved my statement wrong, and go along leading a happy life. I would say someone did you a favour. You are trying to compare yourself ringing a company and getting a discount on a product, and saying this proves you can get expertise for free. I don't think that proves your point at all. I'm not sure why you continually argue against my posts, but never talk about anything I actually say, and take one line out of context and start a new thread. I would agree that it is the weakest statement in my post, it is a poor comparison because you can make expertise in business out to be a phone call, but this isn't the case in poker whatsoever. Poor comparison or poor explanation perhaps. If you truly think an apprentice is given a great deal then you are wrong. As a painters apprentice I was paid a pittance for what my boss got to charge the consumer. However, I was willing to accept that as I needed the work (it was a summer job so apprentice isn't really the title, it was more of a part time assistant).

You seem to constantly relate something that isn't really real world applicable to something you have experienced. Yes, in an ideal world I would also go about the world offering my less well to do mates stakes for random tournaments, but unfortunately I cannot afford to. I did have a friend who won me a chunk at the last UKPC (I think this is the part where you would tell everyone the figure, but its not my style) and I do coaching sessions for free with him, and probably will do for a while. This is a friendship, if I offered my Dad a 50:50 deal in a random 1k he would laugh me out of the house, because he believes it is poor form to take money off your mates, and thats what your idea of staking is. Just because this is your perception of staking doesn't mean all staking should be this way.


They also wouldn't sell at cost price to the wholesalers, the cost price would be the merchants price minus whatever margin the company has. As it sounds like patented technology you have to buy from a large firm, I would imagine that was substantial. Perhaps you got it for a lot less then the wholesalers buying price, and in that case fair play.

such cynics - each to there own - some of you guys really need to chill

Why are u guys even rising to this blatant attempt to troll?

Here is a thread earlier this year where you asked a bunch of questions, got given a uniform answer and ultimately decided it wasn't about the money, money doesn't mean anything, etc.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64988.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64988.0)

Consider that free advice, readily given, by various subject-matter experts on here.  9 months later, you start another thread on a similar vein, having clearly not taken the advice fully on board or understood the information contained within ~ and again decided that the end outcome would be to not make it about the money.

Whilst you and one or two other philanthropists want to investigate staking for non-profit, the advice freely given again has come from the fruits of a lot of effort, some bad experiences and in some cases, financial pain.  Everyone else involved in staking is doing it for financial gain.  Relationships develop, good friendships often survive beyond the contract expiry, but ultimately in the overwhelming majority of cases, both parties got together in the mutual pursuit of making some coin.

typed out a big response and then deleted it, cant be bothered.

The quote "no-one in the business world gives away expertise for free"

That was in the context of optimal business strategy, whilst we were talking about the nuances to +EV staking operations...obviously people in the business world do give stuff away for free, occasionally because they fancy doing something nice but mostly because they expect a profitable return on it one day.

In one of my restaurants once, I had these fancy vinegar bottles, this couple said how much they loved the thing, so I decided after the meal to just gift them one (they cost about a fiver and actually not that easy to get hold off) it was quite a nice thing to do which I enjoyed but also they must have come back 12-15 times in the next 6 months (maybe they'd have come back anyway) but a decent £5 spent imo.

As you say, the circle of life.

I often fitted light bulbs in peoples cars for free, cost about 30p but surprising how many would remember and come back for a service / mot .

#thecircleoflife

Hakuna Matata :) 

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A smile and a thank you is sometimes much more satisfying than any financial return you know you're not going to get when you do or give something to others.

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