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Title: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TightEnd on February 09, 2016, 11:18:28 AM good article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/12144970/Ticket-price-scandal-enough-is-enough-English-football-should-hang-its-head-in-shame.html Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Karabiner on February 09, 2016, 11:33:35 AM By far the most shocking item on there is that Gordon Taylor receives £3.4M pa.
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TheDazzler on February 09, 2016, 01:11:59 PM By far the most shocking item on there is that Gordon Taylor receives £3.4M pa. Wow, that is amazing. Up from £1.4m. Because he does such a tremendous job. Yeah, right. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: horseplayer on February 09, 2016, 01:19:48 PM By far the most shocking item on there is that Gordon Taylor receives £3.4M pa. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: RickBFA on February 09, 2016, 01:32:16 PM By far the most shocking item on there is that Gordon Taylor receives £3.4M pa. Yep £3.4m is a real joke. I wonder what bullshit he will come up with to justify that? Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: tikay on February 09, 2016, 01:40:51 PM How do we know he is not worth it, & why does he have to justify it to anyone other than his Shareholders - the very people, who, I would assume, awarded him that salary? The Premier League has, unless I am mistaken, 20 Shareholders, being the current EPL. There is no way he could have awarded himself an increased salary, it must have been put forward by his masters - the 20 Clubs. So if they proposed it, on what basis can we say it's wrong? It's very successful indeed, financially. And that's why it exists - for financial gain. I don't know who negotiated the new TV Deal, but if he had a hand in it, why would he not be entitled to a bit of extra salary? EDIT - ignore all that, wrong bloke. Scandalous salary, scandalous. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TheDazzler on February 09, 2016, 01:55:32 PM http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/28/gordon-taylor-pfa-chief-executive-premier-league-pay-rise
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/29/gordon-taylor-time-for-pfa-chief-executive-to-step-down http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/29/gordon-taylor-support-pfa-gambling Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: hhyftrftdr on February 09, 2016, 08:23:12 PM ''The Premier League executives of whom the top seven from 20 clubs blocked a proposal to cap the cost of away tickets to £30 bury their heads''
Big thing on Blue Moon about this. Needs 14/20 to be approved. Apparently, the clubs that said no were City, united, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: RickBFA on February 09, 2016, 08:28:05 PM The PFA buying a painting for £1.9m. I missed that one.
Weird priorities don't you think? Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TightEnd on February 09, 2016, 08:28:37 PM each Premier league side gets from the PL £400,000 per season to subsidise away game costs for their fans
leicester, only because i know what they do, use it for free travel, food etc for members of their "fox travel" scheme. i'd prefer it was used to cut ticket costs for all fans, but understand why they do it swansea capped tickets to £20 for some games for travelling fans what do other clubs do? Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Skippy on February 09, 2016, 08:32:41 PM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can.
It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: hhyftrftdr on February 09, 2016, 08:34:55 PM each Premier league side gets from the PL £400,000 per season to subsidise away game costs for their fans leicester, only because i know what they do, use it for free travel, food etc for members of their "fox travel" scheme. i'd prefer it was used to cut ticket costs for all fans, but understand why they do it swansea capped tickets to £20 for some games for travelling fans what do other clubs do? City tend to use it to subsidise long distance away games around busy periods, I know we've done it previously for games like Arsenal, Spuds, Saints etc, usually around Christmas or if there is a fixture congestion on the horizon, they just halve the ticket price. Means we only pay £91 per ticket when we go to the Emirates ;) Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TightEnd on February 09, 2016, 08:38:26 PM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can. It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. that's obviously a fair point, but there comes a price. £77 for a Liverpool fan? of course though the price can be very elastic becuase up to this poin tfans havent stopped going.... in the championship, i note, on saturday no ground was at more than 80% of capacity. now of course the product isn't as strong as the PL. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Skippy on February 09, 2016, 08:39:21 PM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can. It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. that's obviously a fair point, but there comes a price. £77 for a Liverpool fan? of course though the price can be very elastic becuase up to this poin tfans havent stopped going.... in the championship, i note, on saturday no ground was at more than 80% of capacity. now of course the product isn't as strong as the PL. Those prices are obviously too high :-) Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: nirvana on February 09, 2016, 08:45:15 PM How do we know he is not worth it, & why does he have to justify it to anyone other than his Shareholders - the very people, who, I would assume, awarded him that salary? The Premier League has, unless I am mistaken, 20 Shareholders, being the current EPL. There is no way he could have awarded himself an increased salary, it must have been put forward by his masters - the 20 Clubs. So if they proposed it, on what basis can we say it's wrong? It's very successful indeed, financially. And that's why it exists - for financial gain. I don't know who negotiated the new TV Deal, but if he had a hand in it, why would he not be entitled to a bit of extra salary? EDIT - ignore all that, wrong bloke. Scandalous salary, scandalous. Oh man, I was thinking Good point, Yup That's right that is Well put Didn't know that Er...roffle Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Doobs on February 09, 2016, 08:50:18 PM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can. It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. that's obviously a fair point, but there comes a price. £77 for a Liverpool fan? of course though the price can be very elastic becuase up to this poin tfans havent stopped going.... in the championship, i note, on saturday no ground was at more than 80% of capacity. now of course the product isn't as strong as the PL. Is it £77 for the best tickets or worst? Suspect it is the best. Not all scousers are broke. If you can't afford to pay that, sit in the cheap seats or go see Tranmere. Sure they'd appreciate it more. Football has never been cheaper in my football supporting lifetime than it is now at Valley Parade. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: hhyftrftdr on February 09, 2016, 10:18:02 PM Just do what Dortmund fans have done tonight :)
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: celtic on February 09, 2016, 11:08:28 PM Just put thit prices up to £95 and let the fans stages 95th minute walk out.
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: DungBeetle on February 10, 2016, 10:33:59 AM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can. It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. It's short sighted and they risk a vicious circle. Squeezing fans for more is pure greed and makes very little difference to buying a single top class player (See Bayern comments). At the moment it's like a queue outside a nightclub. Everyone wants to say they went to the game. Season ticket holders are scared not to renew unless they can't get back in if they want to take a season break. If they push it to breaking point and capacity is suddenly 80% then that factor isn't in play. Sky realise the atmosphere is worse and the empty seats look bad on the TV. Next contract all the TV companies offer lower. Quality of players reduces. Attendance dip a bit more and so it goes on. So the question becomes why hit the fans for and extra £20 per match just so your bog standard right backs in the league move from 60k a week to 70k a week? Why risk the absolute dream ticket the clubs/players are on just out of short term greed? Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: DungBeetle on February 10, 2016, 10:34:39 AM Just put thit prices up to £95 and let the fans stages 95th minute walk out. :D Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: DungBeetle on February 10, 2016, 10:36:57 AM each Premier league side gets from the PL £400,000 per season to subsidise away game costs for their fans leicester, only because i know what they do, use it for free travel, food etc for members of their "fox travel" scheme. i'd prefer it was used to cut ticket costs for all fans, but understand why they do it swansea capped tickets to £20 for some games for travelling fans what do other clubs do? We do the same - subsidised travel. We also have reciprocal agreements with some teams where they'll only charge us £20 if we do the same for away fans. Of course the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs tell us to get stuffed and charge us outrageous amounts for away fans. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Skippy on February 10, 2016, 11:01:14 AM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can. It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. It's short sighted and they risk a vicious circle. Squeezing fans for more is pure greed and makes very little difference to buying a single top class player (See Bayern comments). At the moment it's like a queue outside a nightclub. Everyone wants to say they went to the game. Season ticket holders are scared not to renew unless they can't get back in if they want to take a season break. If they push it to breaking point and capacity is suddenly 80% then that factor isn't in play. Sky realise the atmosphere is worse and the empty seats look bad on the TV. Next contract all the TV companies offer lower. Quality of players reduces. Attendance dip a bit more and so it goes on. So the question becomes why hit the fans for and extra £20 per match just so your bog standard right backs in the league move from 60k a week to 70k a week? Why risk the absolute dream ticket the clubs/players are on just out of short term greed? Well there's another thing. Why do they sell so many season tickets? It's very unfair. You've got some people who get to see every game at a discount, then you've got lots of other people who can't ever see a game, even if they are prepared to pay more. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: tikay on February 10, 2016, 11:03:31 AM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can. It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. Well, I'm outraged by that. Very outraged. ;) I do like a bit of balance though, everyone these days seems to be anti-establishment. Doing the DA thing is never bad, either. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: DungBeetle on February 10, 2016, 11:09:57 AM At the risk of seeming like Tikay (a ruthless capitalist :-) ), as long as the stadiums are full, what's the problem? You can't get a Liverpool home ticket for a Premier League game. Liverpool's stadiums is too small, and they should do something about it, but I don't see why the clubs shouldn't charge whatever they can. It's all very well saying "Football is nothing without the Fans", but there are fans- too many fans- they could sell out the stadium many times over. Well, I'm outraged by that. Very outraged. ;) I do like a bit of balance though, everyone these days seems to be anti-establishment. Doing the DA thing is never bad, either. It's a 2 way commitment I suppose. Punter will pay for every match even though the team might be poor that season. Club gives him a discount. Clubs gets a nice cash influx during the summer. Seems fair enough? Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TightEnd on February 10, 2016, 04:16:09 PM Premier League ticket prices: supporters of all 20 clubs give their verdicts
"There is a lot of anger at many clubs over expensive tickets, but Leicester, Stoke and Swansea are among the clubs who are praised in our comprehensive survey, which suggests that the maximum price of a ticket should be around £30 " http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/10/premier-league-ticket-prices-fans-verdict?CMP=share_btn Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Skippy on February 10, 2016, 04:30:27 PM While I'm in Tikay's good books, where do all these fans who want to pay £20 for the games because of the TV deals think the TV money comes from? The broadcasters are planning on extracting the money from football fans! I'm not sure why football fans who go to games are a protected species, but football fans who watch the telly are prime milking targets.
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: DungBeetle on February 10, 2016, 05:54:35 PM While I'm in Tikay's good books, where do all these fans who want to pay £20 for the games because of the TV deals think the TV money comes from? The broadcasters are planning on extracting the money from football fans! I'm not sure why football fans who go to games are a protected species, but football fans who watch the telly are prime milking targets. Because fans at the game are part of the spectacle. Imagine "Super Mega Sunday" in front of a half empty Anfield. The atmosphere and rivalries sell the product as much as the players. Whether 3 million or 4 million watch on TV makes no difference, except to Sky's pocket. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TightEnd on February 10, 2016, 07:56:00 PM John W Henry, Tom Werner and Mike Gordon issue a message to fans detailing changes to #LFC's ticketing structure: http://lfc.tv/APx2
24 retweets 9 likes Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: hhyftrftdr on February 10, 2016, 08:20:54 PM Wow, the cheapest season ticket at Liverpool next year will be £685? And that's including a 25 quid reduction?! Can get 2 at City for that price, and have some change left over.
What are people's thoughts on categorising games? Should you pay the same to watch Stoke visit you as Chelsea, for example? PS, I know we're there to watch our own team, before someone makes that point ;) Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: DungBeetle on February 10, 2016, 09:43:58 PM Yeah I think it's okay. Season ticket holders not impacted and good to punish the people who will only go if Man Utd are in town and want to buy a half and half scarf.
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Tal on February 10, 2016, 10:09:11 PM I prefer it. Happy to pay less than average to watch the team beat a weaker side.
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: hhyftrftdr on February 10, 2016, 10:12:31 PM Yeah I think categorising is fine, was surprised to see Liverpool doing away with it next season.
They'll probs only be Cat C at Eastlands next year ;) Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: superwomble on February 11, 2016, 10:37:41 AM (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca7C1a9W0AEdydC.jpg)
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Skippy on February 11, 2016, 10:54:00 AM (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca7C1a9W0AEdydC.jpg) It's amazing that people are mostly noisy, passionate, feel like they belong, are proud of a city and fall in love when that patch of grass belongs to Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City now they are good, Chelsea now they are rich etc. It's all very well complaining about traditional football values (looking after the support, the club is nothing without it's fans etc., it's not like other businesses because fans can't switch clubs and so on) but the other half of traditional football values is that you support your local team no matter how rubbish. How many Liverpool fans are keeping up their end of the bargain? If people want to propose £20 tickets and come up with a system where only true fans can buy tickets (you either need to live in a Liverpool postcode or be a blood relative of a previous Liverpool season ticket holder something like that) then fair enough. Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: DungBeetle on February 11, 2016, 11:11:03 AM To be fair Liverpool have been completely mediocre for 25 years and Man City used to get large attendances even in what is now League 1! Then we have Newcastle, Sunderland, Leeds etc.
Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: TightEnd on February 11, 2016, 01:15:26 PM Henry Winter Verified account
@henrywinter Clubs like first-time visitors, "tourists", as spend £££ in stadium shop. Hence some clubs' disregard of away fans. Henry Winter Verified account @henrywinter Everyone can see and hear decline in atmosphere at many grounds. Get more away fans in, more noise, broadcasters happier. #TwentysPlenty Title: Re: Ticket price scandal - enough is enough Post by: Cf on February 11, 2016, 05:38:04 PM (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca7C1a9W0AEdydC.jpg) Wrong. (https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/4/7/1428399887037/40b3d4da-7352-462c-8ec9-24426dcbecf9-1177x2040.jpeg?w=940&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=d05d4e6b9f9d81cadf717fb7916b5d74) |