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Title: England Cricket chat
Post by: fatcatstu on May 11, 2016, 12:09:44 AM
So England name their first test squad of the summer on Thursday with James Taylor bring the notable absentee after his retirement, which will result in a juggling of the batting order somewhat.

Personally I would go for

Cook
Hales
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Ballance
Stokes
Rashid
Broad
Finn/plunkett (not sure if Finn is fit?)
Anderson

Compton doesn't seem to be the answer to any question I can think of, so I would be bring Vince in at 3 and giving Ballance his chance at 5, but he would be on a short lead.

Rashid has made the more impressive start to the season in my mind, and deserves his chance over Ali.

Is Finn fit? If so, I would put him in, but of not, and in the absence of him and Wood, I would bring Plunkett in, a bit of pace and aggression and he can smack it about a bit.

We should be beating Sri Lanka comfortably at home.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: swinebag22 on May 11, 2016, 12:35:46 AM
Don't think ballance's technique stands up to a top examination. He won't get that against Sri Lanka so could easily score a shed load and we wouldn't be that much better off ITLR.

Vince seems exciting so happy for him to get a run, even at 3.

Would move stokes back to 6 and give Butler the gloves back at 7. Bairstow would play as a batsman only.

Rashid over Ali is a tough call too.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on May 11, 2016, 12:53:23 AM
Don't think ballance's technique stands up to a top examination. He won't get that against Sri Lanka so could easily score a shed load and we wouldn't be that much better off ITLR.

Vince seems exciting so happy for him to get a run, even at 3.

Would move stokes back to 6 and give Butler the gloves back at 7. Bairstow would play as a batsman only.

Rashid over Ali is a tough call too.

I know what you are saying about Ballance, but I think his weight of rubs deserves 1 more shot at it.

Butler is another with suspect technique. If he was told to just go out there and give it a biff I think he would do OK, it's when he tries to play "properly" that he gets caught out.

Bairstow at 5 is what I meant! His batting is only getting better and I think he will win England more than a few games in his career


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on May 11, 2016, 12:55:07 AM
England will breeze through the summer, barring odd glimpses neither touring side will be able to overcome England in English conditions. A Pakistan visit is never devoid of controversy though so should still be interesting to follow!


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Longy on May 11, 2016, 01:23:35 AM
Buttler not available for selection playing in the IPL, it was straight choice he was given with ECB blessing.

Think they will go same team that played in South Africa with Vince in for Taylor at 5. To be hones I would be quite happy with that, though Hales and Compton probably only have this up coming series to make an impression.

Will be surprised if we don't beat Sri Lanka comfortably, can't see their batting line up without the two greats in it anymore, scoring many in early summer against our seam attack.



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on May 12, 2016, 12:14:27 PM

ENGLAND TEST SQUAD TO PLAY SRI LANKA AT HEADINGLEY

AN Cook (Captain), MM Ali, JM Anderson, JM Bairstow, JT Ball, SCJ Broad, NRD Compton, ST Finn, AD Hales, JE Root, BA Stokes, JM Vince


Will take a decent wager that we'll see Westley and Browne, maybe Bell Drummond too for Hales, Compton etc by the end of the summer



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on May 12, 2016, 10:07:40 PM
Not convinced with Vince. He's not exactly set county cricket alight last couple of seasons but seems well liked by the management for his contributions as a squad man and in the Lions. I remain to be convinced.

I think Compton has three tests to save his international career and I would really like to see Hales get a couple of scores.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on May 13, 2016, 01:37:32 PM
Will take a decent wager that we'll see Westley and Browne, maybe Bell Drummond too for Hales, Compton etc by the end of the summer

Being a Kent fan, opportunities for Division 2 players in the test setup is an interesting topic. Now that we've had the division split for some time now, I wonder when we'll get to a point where Div 2 players aren't considered test-worthy. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already since there always seemed to be a bias favoring the 'big' clubs' players?

Personally, I would love DBD to get an England call up as I take a lot of pride when Kent produce England players. I do like that about Cricket-that the whole setup is driven towards producing international players, and clubs reap the rewards when they manage to do this.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Longy on May 13, 2016, 03:17:13 PM
I think there is clear difference in standard between the two divisions now and the "test ground" county side now represent the whole of the 1st division with the exception of Somerset. Performing in the 1st division is going to become more and more important to getting the test side.

To be honest in a generations time I can see the domestic scene changing completely and some counties may well disappear from the top domestic competitions.

Have to admit, having seen Bell-Drummond a few times I haven't been that impressed and know a Kent member who has a similar opinion.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on May 13, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
playing Div 1 cricket is almost essential if you want to play for England, and that's been the case for a while. Unless a player is absolutely tearing it up and have stats you just can't ignore, I'll always "devalue" runs and wickets taken in Div 2 in comparison to Div 1. Gulf in class is pretty big imo.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Evilpengwinz on May 14, 2016, 12:56:40 AM
I wonder when we'll get to a point where Div 2 players aren't considered test-worthy. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already since there always seemed to be a bias favoring the 'big' clubs' players?

Personally, I would love DBD to get an England call up as I take a lot of pride when Kent produce England players. I do like that about Cricket-that the whole setup is driven towards producing international players, and clubs reap the rewards when they manage to do this.
playing Div 1 cricket is almost essential if you want to play for England, and that's been the case for a while. Unless a player is absolutely tearing it up and have stats you just can't ignore, I'll always "devalue" runs and wickets taken in Div 2 in comparison to Div 1. Gulf in class is pretty big imo.

^ This. I know when Moeen Ali came into the test side, it was a big deal that he came from a Division 2 team. Had a look on Wiki and everyone who debuted in this decade bar Tredwell and Moeen plays for a side that are in D1 more often than not - And that says more about the quality of spinners we're producing in county cricket than anything else, IMO.

It's not quite as bad as South Africa, where you've got the main first class competition and a total joke second tier provincial competition that plays 3 day games and still has first class status somehow, with no promotion/relegation to the highest tier. Absolute farce that those games even have first class status, but that's another rant for another day.

However, County Cricket is definitely heading in a similar direction with the ever-growing chasm between D1 and D2, and reducing D1 to 8 teams next year (2 down, 1 up) is just another step in that direction as it'll become even harder for established D2 teams to get promoted with another bigger county in D2. With having to fit in the limited overs competitions, possible switch to T20 franchises, IPL window, players already playing too much cricket that have all been discussed in recent years, it wouldn't surprise me if we have to split into 3 divisions of 6 teams and cut down to 10 first class games a season somewhere down the line to allow some/all of those things to happen. That might be the only way that 18 counties can survive long term too, considering how much money comes from limited overs cricket (particularly T20) and how little comes from FC games.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TheDazzler on May 29, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03wg76n

Lovely piece.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on July 07, 2016, 01:15:35 PM


Will take a decent wager that we'll see Westley and Browne, maybe Bell Drummond too for Hales, Compton etc by the end of the summer



Hi Rich / All

Looking at your quote do you still see the mentioned players getting a game? Obv Hales going nowhere for a year.

Who do we all see coming in for the series against Pakistan? I'm not convinced by Vince at all. Can see Buttler returning, but would rather he is 'keeper if he is recalled. Bairstow a much better fielder than wickie imo.

Saw Bell-Drummond earlier in season and didn't look anything special in that game.

What about Jimmy situation? to me I would rest him rather than risk a long term injury if he's not yet fit!

Edit; just seen Ballance been picked? backward step


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 07, 2016, 01:44:37 PM
its quite a fluid situation

Anderson is injured

Stokes can't bowl yet

both back in side when fit


Cook, Hales is now set

Root begins the pakistan series at 3

Ballance and Vince i don't really like as picks, would like to see them heading towards the younger guys like westley who are nearly ready. they wanted to put borthwick in but he's scored no runs since compton decided to drop out before he was dropped for good

bairstow keeps. could easily have him top six and a specialist keeper. foakes and ben cox must be close. not sure they were convinced by buttler as a specialist batsman in the top six

bairstow will score a lot of runs and hopefully offset the odd drop that will happen


broad is currently the only bowler pretty much assured to play all four tests if fit

woakes, finn, ball, roland jones, any others competing for a spot or two at most when everyone is fit


Pakistan have amir and yasir who are going to make sure they are competitive this summer, think it will be a closer series than many expect. i looked at amir at taunton in the first warm up and he was swingint it both ways round corners, seriously impressive. hopefully he stays fit

Yasir has 76 wickets in 12 tests but this is his first go in england, seriously good bowler though especially if it dries upa nd pitches are a bit more worn


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 07, 2016, 02:22:58 PM
Not a fan of Ballance coming back in, I don't much like the look of that team that is going to start, the middle order looks a bit ropey now to me.

Would think the team will be

Cook
Hales
Root
Vince
Ballance
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Finn
Ball

Runs needed from cook, root and Bairstow in that. Would rather have seen Buttler in for Ballance.

Vince still has a lot to prove in all forms of the game I think, I was backing him before the summer started, but was disappointed with him against Sri Lanka.

Ball lacks pace from what I have seen of him, but as he was in the test squads earlier in the year, he will get the call rather than Rowland Jones.

There is a lot resting on broad for England in that bowling lineup, and I still would rather see Rashid in than Ali.

Agree this series is going to be a lot closer than was first anticipated.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 07, 2016, 02:52:38 PM
in the press conference cook said they considered  borthwick, roy, westley, buttler and stokes as specialist batsmen for the sixth batting spot and went with Ballance

look out for westley, the real deal

borthwick is short of runs

roy doesn't have test match technique



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 07, 2016, 02:56:50 PM
Must admit I don't know that much about Westley, but that would make his inclusion all the more exciting! I'm just worried that Ballance will be found out by the quick again.

It would have been nice to see a new name in there, or Buttler coming in middle order with the license/instructions to play his shots. Going back to Ballance when he hasn't really set the world alight, just smacks a little bit of "old England" to me



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: rinswun on July 07, 2016, 06:04:09 PM
I was friends at school with Toby's older brother, Olly, an excellent cricketer in his own right. Toby was a three years below us.

On leaving school, a group of us established a decent standard but very much social cricket team - the Village XI. Olly used to turn up semi regularly and one day, when we were scratching around for numbers, we asked him to bring his bro and he duly obiliged. On arriving at the ground, turned out we had 12 players so young Toby was relegated to 12th man duties. Incredible to think he could go from Village XI 12th man to Test crricketer in a few short years.

Clearly our youth system doing its job!  :D


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 07, 2016, 06:40:32 PM
It's incredible when you play against people who are now pros isn't it?

I have rather vivid memories of Liam Plunkett bowling very fast at my head when he played in our local area. Also played against a young man called weighall last year, who made his Durham debut this year, he carted my leg spin all over Stokesley!!

One of the lads in our team at the minute once got bowled for a duck by Moeen Ali when he lived in Birmingham. To be fair, he is rubbish though.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 07, 2016, 06:50:58 PM
Played against battersea west Indians in the late 1990s in the Surrey league. I opened the batting. Ball one, bouncer over my head. Ball two hit in rib cage. Ball three on backside avoiding another bouncer. Ball four cleaned up by a Yorker I never saw. The bowler was a ringer real name franklyn stephenson. Over 40 by then but unplayable to someone as limited as me


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on July 07, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
Played against battersea west Indians in the late 1990s in the Surrey league. I opened the batting. Ball one, bouncer over my head. Ball two hit in rib cage. Ball three on backside avoiding another bouncer. Ball four cleaned up by a Yorker I never saw. The bowler was a ringer real name franklyn stephenson. Over 40 by then but unplayable to someone as limited as me

Franklyn wasn't much younger when he played for Sussex. Done very well with bat and ball


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on July 08, 2016, 01:04:48 AM
Probably a bit of Durham bias but disappointed Borthwick hasn't got his chance here. A couple of low scores shouldn't go against him when you look at his record over the past 2/3 seasons. That being said, moving Root to 3 is a positive move so If borthwick is down as a 3 or nowhere then that's fair enough.

Mixed messages re Buttler, they encourage going to IPL, say it won't harm test chances then Cook says they didn't pick him due to lack of red-ball matches.

When Stokes is back at 7 I'd like to see Rashid in ahead of Ali.

managed to get some 11/4 about Broad being top England series bowler just after they announced Jimmy misses out on 1st test, happy with that.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on July 08, 2016, 01:12:20 AM
I agree i'd much rather see Rashid in ahead of Ali, especially the way Rashid bowled in the ODI's. Looked class to me. Think Moeen is there because the frailty in the middle order.

If they are going back to Ballance i'd rather they'd went right the way back to Bell.

Even give the Butler the gloves to bat at 6 and move Bairstow to 5 as a specialist, however i guess they won't do this as they'd revert back as soon as Stokes is fit.

I definitely think this will be a close series.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on July 08, 2016, 10:59:04 PM
A 2nd ton on tour for Azhar Ali. Do we take these county games with a pinch of salt? He's clearly in a bit of form. Has a poor test record over here though. Pp still have him at 9/2 for top Pakistani series batsman.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 08, 2016, 11:24:13 PM
Finally getting to fking Lord next weekend! How many years? lol  ;grr;


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on July 09, 2016, 12:07:10 AM
A 2nd ton on tour for Azhar Ali. Do we take these county games with a pinch of salt? He's clearly in a bit of form. Has a poor test record over here though. Pp still have him at 9/2 for top Pakistani series batsman.

Wouldn't put too much emphasis on Sussex game, we been rubbish all season and had a very average bowling attack playing in this game.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 12, 2016, 12:58:26 PM
A 2nd ton on tour for Azhar Ali. Do we take these county games with a pinch of salt? He's clearly in a bit of form. Has a poor test record over here though. Pp still have him at 9/2 for top Pakistani series batsman.

Wouldn't put too much emphasis on Sussex game, we been rubbish all season and had a very average bowling attack playing in this game.

+1.

I wouldn't even say Pakistan dominated that hard considering. Openers are basically clueless, bowling attack toothless barring Amir and Yasir, who may be exceptional but can't win a series here on their own surely. Imo Pakistan are carrying a few too many players to match up against an England side who are insanely strong at home. England 2-0 for me.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 12, 2016, 01:08:44 PM
you are probably right

but

lords will be flat, england have been hinting at discomfort that its going to be so flat

england minus anderson and with a middle order with ballance and vince. beyond cook/root/bairstow i don't see much solid test class in the top 6

obviously a lot depends on amir and yasir..yasitr in particular should cause england a lot of problems if the summer is reasonably dry

but i thought 4/1 Pakistan was a huge price for the first test. If they win the toss they are much shorter than 4/1

a batting line up of hafeez, shan, azhar, misbah, younus, shafiq and sarfraz should be competitive. If not then they've got no hope obviously


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 13, 2016, 09:07:57 AM
MCC World Cricket Committee get bat edges reduced to 35mm and bat depth to 60mm. Will happen by Oct 2017.

in test cricket In the 1950s one in 30 balls was hit for four. It's now one in 14.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnK7xT8WYAE6HSU.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Tonibell on July 14, 2016, 09:39:50 AM
Lads are 4/1 Pakistan now for a short time. Only to £25 but that's £16.75 of EV and a sweat in what I hope is going to be a really competitive series.

[EDIT. 4.8 to back for £250 on Betfair]


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 14, 2016, 01:40:37 PM
A 2nd ton on tour for Azhar Ali. Do we take these county games with a pinch of salt? He's clearly in a bit of form. Has a poor test record over here though. Pp still have him at 9/2 for top Pakistani series batsman.

The problem is the openers aren't very good and Azhar will be regularly coming out to face a new cherry


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on July 14, 2016, 09:23:33 PM
A 2nd ton on tour for Azhar Ali. Do we take these county games with a pinch of salt? He's clearly in a bit of form. Has a poor test record over here though. Pp still have him at 9/2 for top Pakistani series batsman.

The problem is the openers aren't very good and Azhar will be regularly coming out to face a new cherry

Yep, Masood their weakest batsman by a distance imo.

Moeen on borrowed time? didn't threaten today. Attack of Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Rashid and Stokes by the 3rd test?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on July 14, 2016, 11:17:11 PM
Is Rashid available to play test cricket?

I seem to recall him declining any more selections in favour of just playing ODI's and travelling the various T20 comps.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 14, 2016, 11:41:56 PM
Surely not much was expected of Moeen today? Flat first day pitch against a team who despite their weaknesses are generally excellent at playing spin. Doubt there'll be much difference in effectiveness between Moeen and Rashid tbh except one bats much better than the other. In this series it'll be the pacers who do the majority of the work for sure. 4 frontline seamers with Moeen for days 4/5 seems like the best option to me.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 16, 2016, 12:40:35 PM
Yasir's 6-72 the best figures by a visiting spinner v England at Lord's since Sid Pegler's 7-65 for SA in 1912.

83 wickets in his first 13 teasts, the most ever

very very good bowler

now under DRS the batsmen have a lot less room for manoeuvre because of umpires call, marginal decisions stay with the umpire and so he's getting lots of LBWs

england middle order very weak against spin, can't use their feet because he spins it both ways


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: maldini32 on July 16, 2016, 01:01:13 PM
What do we think is a winning total for Pakistan? 270 ahead? 4th innings wicket with the best leggie in the world?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 16, 2016, 01:14:03 PM
What do we think is a winning total for Pakistan? 270 ahead? 4th innings wicket with the best leggie in the world?

Something like that. 200 england favourites, 300 pakistan favourites, 250 to chase 50-50?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: gherkin on July 16, 2016, 01:17:52 PM
What do we think is a winning total for Pakistan? 270 ahead? 4th innings wicket with the best leggie in the world?

England will be favourites if they are set 270.  Think the bookies will have the number at around 300-320 for a 50/50 game


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 16, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
England's innings was the first in Lord's Test history in which no overs were bowled by right-arm seamers.

stat.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 16, 2016, 04:26:25 PM
220 will be enough probably, Yasir too good on day 4


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 17, 2016, 10:42:10 AM
Woakes 11wkts in 40overs this match; 8w in 154ov in his first 6 Tests.

 If he keeps improving at this rate, he'll take a wicket every 0.7 balls by 2023.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 17, 2016, 10:46:34 AM
Yasir Shah has taken 24 wickets at 17.8 in the fourth innings of Tests. Won six games out of seven

the bookmakers do not have Pakistan favourite to win this test, which i find very strange


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 17, 2016, 12:11:13 PM
who is your money on then?

286 to win


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on July 17, 2016, 12:50:32 PM
I can't remember the last time England batted well in the 4th innings of a test. Either achieving a run chase or batting out a day for a draw?

Shot a ball here really isn't working.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 17, 2016, 02:01:36 PM
I think aggression is the way to go. No use sitting back and waiting for Yasir to get them out.

Wanna and Amir don't look dangerous at all, That has taken 3 but also looks like he can go for runs.

Still very much in this game.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 17, 2016, 03:14:01 PM
Bairstow the key factor for me here. Have little faith in Ballance, however I hope he proves me wrong obviously!


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on July 17, 2016, 03:23:40 PM
Woakes to hit the winning runs!!


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: arbboy on July 17, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Why is the draw come in from 1000/1 to 250/1?  Is rain expected at all?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tikay on July 17, 2016, 06:11:43 PM
Yasir's 6-72 the best figures by a visiting spinner v England at Lord's since Sid Pegler's 7-65 for SA in 1912.

83 wickets in his first 13 teasts, the most ever

very very good bowler

now under DRS the batsmen have a lot less room for manoeuvre because of umpires call, marginal decisions stay with the umpire and so he's getting lots of LBWs

england middle order very weak against spin, can't use their feet because he spins it both ways

Totally agree, this boy has a full set of clubs in his bag, googlies, flippers, everything.........






Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 17, 2016, 07:36:40 PM
I know it might sound a little after-timey but I was incredulous that Pakistan were almost 2.4 on betty at the start of the run-chase.

I am now extremely grateful that they got me out of this weeks golf losses  ;bigadz;


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 18, 2016, 10:06:20 AM
Yasir Shah the first spinner to take 10 in a Lord's Test since Underwood v Pakistan in 1974. First visiting spinner since Ramadhin in 1950.

Anderson and Stokes for Finn and Ball would seem natural changes for Old Trafford, provided selectors deem them fit enough of course

what to do about Mo Ali? Rashid maybe?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on July 18, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
Yasir Shah the first spinner to take 10 in a Lord's Test since Underwood v Pakistan in 1974. First visiting spinner since Ramadhin in 1950.

Anderson and Stokes for Finn and Ball would seem natural changes for Old Trafford, provided selectors deem them fit enough of course

what to do about Mo Ali? Rashid maybe?

I think Rashid should be in the squad, if anything just to put a bit of pressure on Moeen. I'm not Moeen's biggest fan, but an off-spinner bowling into the left-armer's footmarks should (!) be a useful weapon.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 18, 2016, 11:55:27 AM
Yasir Shah the first spinner to take 10 in a Lord's Test since Underwood v Pakistan in 1974. First visiting spinner since Ramadhin in 1950.

Anderson and Stokes for Finn and Ball would seem natural changes for Old Trafford, provided selectors deem them fit enough of course

what to do about Mo Ali? Rashid maybe?

Would love to see them changes, but don't think that the selectors will go for all 3. Expect Maureen to continue until the end of the series unfortunately.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 18, 2016, 12:37:28 PM
I'd swap Moeen for Stokes because pace needs to be the focus. It's playing to England's strengths and Pakistan's glaring weakness.

Can't we just forget spin, Rashid will be as ineffective as Moeen vs Pakistani batsmen and just make the tail longer. Doubt Rashid even plays FC cricket over there, certainly gets nowhere near the Pakistan national side.

Instead let a bit of grass grow on the Old Trafford pitch and watch Anderson make a huge difference in the next test. Pakistan's pace attack looked overrated to me.

If you're hellbent on having a spin option then it has to be Moeen because he is at least capable of sparing blushes with the bat.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 18, 2016, 12:51:40 PM
Moeen is more miss than hit (a lot more) with the bat. Rashid is no mug, and offers far more with the ball, turning it both ways, with far more variation.

He deserves his chance.

Not having a spin option isn't really an option, it needs to be there just to offer some variety, if all you have is pace, it is easier to settle in against it.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on July 18, 2016, 05:41:38 PM
Going in with 5 seamers would be a bit over-kill for me, especially 5 right arm bowlers in and around 85-90 mph. You need a bit of variety. Rashid looks a far better bowler than moeen on the recent odi's (different form obviously) while moeen will contribute a bit more with the bat, though Rashid is no mug. They won't make the change of spinner, and that's probably fair enough but I'd like to see rashy in the squad to add a bit extra motivation for moeen.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Tonibell on July 18, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
A Tour of India starting in November, too, if you need any more reason to keep two spinners involved.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on July 18, 2016, 11:54:07 PM
Surely stokes in for ball and anderson for Finn.

This also gives the oppourtuntiy to bring Rashid in for Moeen. As Stokes can slot into number 7 and rashid into number 9.

I was quite impressed with Rashid in the ODI's. Obviously a totally different proposition against Pakistan in the test format.

These 3 changes improves both the bowling and batting, seems like a no brainer to me.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 19, 2016, 12:24:25 AM
I think Moeen is a little under-rated as a bowler and reckon he'll keep his place.



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 19, 2016, 01:37:14 PM
Rashid in the squad for the 2nd test so i'd be very surprised now if they didn't pick him.

Maybe room for Moeen as well as OT is rumoured to be a turner? Though i'm sure the curators would be under strict instructions not to allow that to happen.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on July 20, 2016, 01:47:57 AM
Rashid in the squad for the 2nd test so i'd be very surprised now if they didn't pick him.

Maybe room for Moeen as well as OT is rumoured to be a turner? Though i'm sure the curators would be under strict instructions not to allow that to happen.

Only in England would they prepare a pitch that doesn't aid the home nation.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 21, 2016, 01:25:20 PM
Ball and Finn out

down to 12 for tomorrow, Rashid included.

either two spinners or rashid for ali?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 22, 2016, 11:34:52 AM
that is a big toss to win

as you can see bottom right its cracked already

slightly suprised not going with two spinners, need to scored 450+ here and bat once in the game

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn9Yg9SWYAAHfnd.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 22, 2016, 02:14:35 PM
Agree with Tighty, huge toss to win. This will comfortably be the best the pitch plays.

Makes absolutely no sense playing 4 seamers on here - blinkered thinking from the management. Rashid should have certainly played, probably alongside Moeen but at worst in place of. This looks like the pitch you want a leg spinner on!

Can't resist taking a bit of the 7/2 on offer for Pakistan though. Yasir is a special bowler and is going to cause mayhem 2nd innings.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 22, 2016, 04:24:01 PM
I've had a little flutter on Pak too based on what i've seen. Seamers don't seem to be causing too much trouble but Yasir is already getting a fair bit of rip at times. Pakistan are likely to play Moeen very well. Probably a result pitch here so probably worth a little gamble imo.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 23, 2016, 07:08:09 PM
Younis Khan batting as though he's got an ingrowing toenail.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 24, 2016, 10:48:05 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoHdBdQWcAAzKS5.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoHdBnnXgAAPxcX.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 24, 2016, 10:49:41 AM
its a world Xi v Australia for a one off boxing day test...

one of these bats number 3, the other doesn't play (humour me)

who've you got in the side?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoHcpFmXEAA_R8J.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 24, 2016, 10:58:36 AM
Root. Better all round player. Better test bat, can bowl and is a good fielder. Kholi is nice to watch, Root is a better bat.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 24, 2016, 04:40:49 PM
Why the fk would they not enforce the follow on?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 24, 2016, 04:45:49 PM
its a world Xi v Australia for a one off boxing day test...

one of these bats number 3, the other doesn't play (humour me)

who've you got in the side?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoHcpFmXEAA_R8J.jpg)

Where's the test being played? Kohli in the sub-continent and Root everywhere else for me.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: KarmaDope on July 24, 2016, 04:50:28 PM
Why the fk would they not enforce the follow on?

Give the bowlers a rest.

I would have opened with Hales and Vince with Ballance at 3. Let them get some time in the middle.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 24, 2016, 04:53:18 PM
its a world Xi v Australia for a one off boxing day test...

one of these bats number 3, the other doesn't play (humour me)

who've you got in the side?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoHcpFmXEAA_R8J.jpg)

Where's the test being played? Kohli in the sub-continent and Root everywhere else for me.

Saw that pic on facebook, the Indians replying were going into meltdown that their hero might have some competition for top spot lol.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 24, 2016, 04:55:03 PM
Just for interest Tighty........... Name your World XI for the match.

I'll have a poke at this:
Cook, Amla, Williamson, Root, Kohli, AB (wk), Ashwin,  Steyn , Boult, Shah, Anderson

Toyed with the ideas of Rabada ( think he's going to a real star in the future) and Amir ( perhaps too early for him?). No genuine all-rounder in the team but couldn't really leave any of the top 6 out so cheated and gave the gloves to AB. Nice balance to the attack with a leggie, an offie and a left arm pacer to go with Steyn and Anderson.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: kp24 on July 24, 2016, 09:47:41 PM
Still can't believe he didn't enforce follow on


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on July 25, 2016, 12:58:01 AM
World XI! That's interesting...

Amla
Cook
Root
Kholi
Voges
De Villiers
Bairstow
Starc
Broad
Shah
Anderson.

Voges is a beast in his test career so far, averaging 90 odd, Bairstow deserves to be in since his comeback too.

Would have liked Warner in at the top,but can't look past Amla and cook.

4 pronged bowling attack with the 3 quick and shah with some backup from Rooty :)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on July 25, 2016, 01:06:49 AM
Why the fk would they not enforce the follow on?

Give the bowlers a rest.

I would have opened with Hales and Vince with Ballance at 3. Let them get some time in the middle.

Typical extra negative England. Terrible decision not to make them bat again imo.
Bowlers only bowled 60 overs and in short spells too.
With rain about they should have taken the option of a short bowling session tonight.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2016, 12:34:58 PM
WHY are we still batting?

for crying out loud, we will have 5.5 sessions to bowl them outshould have had 7+

the most baffling non enforcement of the follow on i have ever seen


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2016, 12:35:29 PM
oh, declared

564 to win. can never be too careful.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 25, 2016, 12:37:17 PM
oh, declared

564 to win. can never be too careful.

Yeah seems genuinely insane. Should have declared first thing this morning having given the bowlers a breather overnight.

If Azhar, Younis and Misbah are all capable of digging in on a pitch that is still ok to bat on. I don't think it'll happen but it still doesn't make any sense to have taken this much risk.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2016, 12:41:44 PM
they'll win, but a complete waste of 30 overs that maybe 1 time in 20 in Manchester would cost them (weather), maybe 1 time in 50 elsewhere?

i still don't get why they wouldn't make them follow on

i gather the pakistani openers were padded up at 9 wickets down ready to bat again. Very very pleasantly surprised to be fielding

as boycott says "always make the opposition do what they least want to do"

which was bat again


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on July 25, 2016, 03:19:12 PM
The theory apparently was Stokes and Anderson not 100 % fit, with Broad and Woakes playing back-to-back tests.

The Aussies do it a lot, so maybe Bayliss' influence.

I disagree with it, and sky pundits saying "it doesnt matter either way as England will win" yesterday is missing the point. It seemed madness at the time and then as soon as it started raining it became even more apparent.

Now Stokes is injured maybe they'll think it was right all along ...


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 25, 2016, 03:36:49 PM
Just get them to bowl shorter spells? Job done without risking the entire outcome of the test match


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on July 25, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
Thing is they did bowl short spells. Stokes got injured anyway so didn't stop that. With the game situation and potential weather, they should have been put back in, especially as England were 1 down in the series.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 25, 2016, 07:46:46 PM
For a moment there I thought I'd accidentally clicked on the Arsenal thread.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tikay on July 25, 2016, 11:33:33 PM
For a moment there I thought I'd accidentally clicked on the Arsenal thread.

A+


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on July 26, 2016, 09:36:02 AM
A superb performance from a very good side

Don't half bounce back well from defeats


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on August 03, 2016, 01:20:30 PM
Cook one of the best ever in his position surely.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on August 03, 2016, 01:25:58 PM
Cook one of the best ever in his position surely.

Sorry I jinxed him. Having said that it was absolutely plumb lbw. It is literally ridiculous that had the umpire not given it out then the review would have backed up that decision too. "Umpires call" on the DRS needs a BIG overhaul.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on August 03, 2016, 01:46:57 PM
Cook one of the best ever in his position surely.

Sorry I jinxed him. Having said that it was absolutely plumb lbw. It is literally ridiculous that had the umpire not given it out then the review would have backed up that decision too. "Umpires call" on the DRS needs a BIG overhaul.

It looked outside the line to me at first glance! Would be upset to get that one playing my local league on a Saturday!!


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on August 04, 2016, 07:05:03 PM
Pakistan have a big opportunity here to rack up 500+. New ball seems to be doing about as much as the old one. Pitch is a road.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on August 05, 2016, 07:41:46 PM
With 20 wickets to fall to cause a result and a pitch that isn't really doing anything this contest now looks like a draw. Cook won't be making any aggressive declarations on this surface and will be looking for a lead of 350 or so. Great fightback from the captain and Hales though, always a big pressure situation when you're facing a 3 figure deficit but they made it look truly easy.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 07, 2016, 10:26:07 AM
Alex Hales refunded a fan after only 81 overs were bowled on Day 3 at Edgbaston Full story: http://bbc.in/2aVN7Vf


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 07, 2016, 10:28:27 AM
So sky did this

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpKnu1RXgAA8iJh.jpg)

i would need Kane Williamson in though

last night

Kane Williamson becomes youngest to score a century against every other Test nation

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpPY24FWEAAby_L.jpg)

Williamson scores 100s against all teams - In 91 innings - Age of 25 years, 364 days - 2012 days from debut - In 14 100s

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpPahbXWIAAIl4g.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: rinswun on August 07, 2016, 10:54:53 AM
That world XI is a joke. Can't have a guy in as a keeper who doesn't keep. Williamson and Steyn obvious omissions. Stokes potentially not even the best all rounder in the England team, let alone the world.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 07, 2016, 11:36:46 AM
Had a fantastic day at Edgbaston on Friday. Was in the 'rowdy' stand that was doing all the singing. Was a really great atmosphere all day and plenty of action in the *cough* 81 overs played. Went with my brother who really isn't a huge cricket fan but comes to the odd T20 etc and I was a little worried that the pace of the game might not be quick enough for him but he really enjoyed it as well.



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on August 07, 2016, 04:38:35 PM
We are still a very very good side

Superb perfomance


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: WotRTheChances on August 07, 2016, 05:14:00 PM
That world XI is a joke. Can't have a guy in as a keeper who doesn't keep. Williamson and Steyn obvious omissions. Stokes potentially not even the best all rounder in the England team, let alone the world.

I think it's almost exactly the same XI i'd pick. Openers are pretty clear-cut. Batsmen you have to pick 3 from Smith, Root, Williamson, Kohli, Amla. I think for tests i'd pick the first 3 and leave out Virat, alternatively leave out Smith. Big fan of both Root and Williamson.

As for the keeper there aren't really any stand-out 'pure' keepers, but AB has done the job quite a lot and he has to be in the side anyway, so i'm happy with that.

Can't think of many better all-rounders than Stokes in world cricket at the moment, Mitch Marsh? Shakib? Woakes? There are very few genuine all-rounders out there at the moment.

Ashwin has to be in there as the #1 ranked bowler in tests, Starc is the best seamer in the world imo, does a lot with the new ball at pace and knocks over tails for fun. Anderson's skills with a moving ball are unparralelled, but you have to balance that with the issues he comes across playing in the sub-continent. Equally i'm not sure Yasir Shah is a real world-beater outside of the UAE, maybe i'd go with Anderson and Boult/Broad/Steyn, but I feel like Steyn is on the way down from his peak.

Cook
Warner
Root
Williamson
Smith
de Villiers
Stokes
Ashwin
Broad
Starc
Anderson

(probable slight England bias)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2016, 10:36:38 AM
liked this one from yesterday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpRDMbCXYAAgdEp.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on August 08, 2016, 11:50:13 AM
https://t.co/1LY7IjhA4P



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 12, 2016, 10:11:45 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpmRaZKWIAA_Iiz.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 14, 2016, 11:51:15 AM
spin trouble

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpwgR_vXgAA6SZL.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 14, 2016, 07:18:02 PM
Surely we have to rethink Ballance and Vince. Entirely unconvincing all Summer.

I'm open to suggestions on England's new middle order?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: rinswun on August 14, 2016, 07:22:29 PM
Surely we have to rethink Ballance and Vince. Entirely unconvincing all Summer.

I'm open to suggestions on England's new middle order?

Hales, Vince and Balance all out for the winter.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 14, 2016, 07:36:26 PM
Surely we have to rethink Ballance and Vince. Entirely unconvincing all Summer.

I'm open to suggestions on England's new middle order?

Hales, Vince and Balance all out for the winter.

I think they might persist with Hales, but definitely agree on Vince and Ballance. Who do you think is likely to replace them? The temptation must be there to bring back Jos Buttler and play Bairstow as a batsman higher up the order. I'm a bit out of touch with County Cricket at the moment, are there any promising English middle order batsmen shining?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: rinswun on August 14, 2016, 08:10:25 PM
No one really putting their hands up but the young Middlesex opener Nick Gubbins has scored a lot of runs batting two or three in Div 1. Sam Northeast has had a great season in Div 2 and is averaging 90 odd but there is a definite drop in standard in that division. Ben Duckett and Daniel Bell-Drummond have done well for the Lions as well. Wouldn't mind any of them getting a spot in the touring squad.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 14, 2016, 08:16:18 PM
Haseem hamed of lancs will tour. Rock tight technique, selectors have watched every game of his for two months. Duckett will be in the next odi squad. Currans close too. Bell Drummond, malan, westley, abell, Browne in the next wave


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on August 14, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
Hales and Vince and Ballance all out for me. Pakistan should have been routed in this series in all honesty and part of the reason that didn't happen is that these 3 players were all passengers. I never felt any of them were cut out to make big scores and it's only going to get harder away from home. I think England need someone a bit stodgier to stubbornly hold up an end rather than play shots and get out. England's RR was actually a little too high i thought.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 15, 2016, 01:23:21 PM
another name to think about

"Keaton Jennings spies a window of opportunity

With England’s red ball cricket season coming to a close, it’s timely to look at who has impressed in county cricket and might just sneak a place in a touring squad. Keaton Jennings is top of the pops among Division One batsmen, his 965 runs coming at 69 including five hundreds (and over 250 ahead of team-mate Scott Borthwick). Now qualified for England, the tall left-handed bat can also bowl a little seam up, a useful string to one’s bow in an England side whose change bowler (Joe Root) has a long term back condition. Perhaps one might like to see more than one season of accomplishment before an England cap is awarded, but Jennings has had his eye on one since declaring for England four years ago, and he is not far away now."


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: fatcatstu on August 16, 2016, 01:46:24 AM
Jennings is superb, in all forms of cricket.

As much as I would like to see changes to the team, I think that the selectors and cook have proven over many a year that they will simply not make changes.

I would expect to see wood and Stokes back in, with most likely Vince and Finn dropping out.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 30, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
Highest ODI score ever a possibility here if you arent watching yet...


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on August 30, 2016, 11:09:03 PM
Awesome stuff.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 31, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrIivb_XgAACK3K.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 31, 2016, 04:04:41 PM
I had a small interest on Root top run scorer. He scores 85 and comes 3rd!

What a fantastic spectacle for the fans - wish I'd been there.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 07, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
another double today

7 hundreds, 3 doubles this summer

hopefully picked soon!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Crw0BY3WcAEITb4.png)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 16, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
Hameed, Anbsari, Duckett.......

England Test squad

Alastair Cook (captain, Essex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Zafar Ansari (Surrey), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Gareth Batty (Surrey), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (wk, Lancashire), Ben Duckett (Northamptonshire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Haseeb Hameed (Lancashire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).


England ODI squad

Jos Buttler (captain, Lancashire), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Jake Ball (Nottinghamshire), Sam Billings (Kent), Liam Dawson (Hampshire), Ben Duckett (Northamptonshire), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Yorkshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham).


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37375138


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 09, 2016, 12:17:04 PM
Very good first day today. We'll see if it really is as simple as "win toss, win match". Root dismissal was very strange.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on November 09, 2016, 11:01:00 PM
That ball wasn't safely in his hands when he tossed it up, it was inbetween wrists and he popped it up purposely to catch it clean, not to celebrate. Hence why he snap turned around to try and catch it.

I don't like this soft signal thing. Either the umpire gives it out, or the 3rd umpire has full authority to chose which decision he likes.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 12, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
really nice for the selectors to watch a teenager, think he's special, pick him and see him perform like this. Haseeb Hameed looks rock solid with a great temperament

thought England bowled v well too. Ansari definitely has a future as he develops


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 12, 2016, 11:48:01 AM
meanwhile, you have to chuckle (while we can)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxDmB_TW8AAE5M9.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxDmDdDXcAAFXF1.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxDmEQyW8AA5E5m.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 12, 2016, 07:35:42 PM
meanwhile, you have to chuckle (while we can)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxDmB_TW8AAE5M9.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxDmDdDXcAAFXF1.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxDmEQyW8AA5E5m.jpg)

Haha, saffers stuck them in and all. And Pup wonders why he has a bad rep in Australia. Thinking about getting his book, plenty of controversy in it.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on November 13, 2016, 08:20:03 AM
Selfless stuff from cook

Very sensible declaration


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on November 13, 2016, 08:27:23 AM
Ball turned and bounced a lot more today

Very unlikely of course but could at least get interesting


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 18, 2016, 11:25:27 AM
after the good performance in Rajkot today has been much more like what was feared pre-series

Apart from Cook we've seen a run out, a slog, a dance down the pitch etc. 4 of the 5 batsmen got themselves out. not much patience shown, on a pitch doing a bit more than the first test



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on November 18, 2016, 11:54:14 AM
Our bowling yesterday didn't help either, make it look a lot easier batting than it should have done. Time to rest Ansari, looks average County standard to me


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on November 18, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
I don't even know how Ansari got picked in the first place. What was someone as average as him expected to do at test level? A specialist batsmen in his place seems like a no brainer, which means it's going to take the selectors forever to figure it out.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on November 18, 2016, 12:08:55 PM
I don't even know how Ansari got picked in the first place. What was someone as average as him expected to do at test level? A specialist batsmen in his place seems like a no brainer, which means it's going to take the selectors forever to figure it out.

England selectors are poor and have been for as long as I can remember. As strange as picking Batty for the tour was, why drop him when he was probs the best bowler in Bang?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 18, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
think thats a bit harsh. selectors hit with Hameed, picked Duckett and a decade a go these guys wouldn't be anywhere near the team at their ages. that said, Duckett's defence needs to improve but he'll get a run to show he can do that

they don't have much spin to choose from, the domestic game doesn't suit spinners

Leach looks talented but even his coach says he's not ready. Rayner maybe but they weren't awash with options ahead of Batty and Ansari.

Ansari has a great temperament, bats well and has potential (would like to see him rip it more rather than just twirl it). Need to give him a run and then judge.

after all Rashid is seven years older and only just now showing signs of being a test spinner


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: rinswun on November 18, 2016, 12:22:41 PM
Ansari was thinking of retiring from professional cricket as recently as August. Had lucrative job offers in the City and still considering.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 18, 2016, 12:25:03 PM
Ansari was thinking of retiring from professional cricket as recently as August. Had lucrative job offers in the City and still considering.

double first and a masters at cambridge, concert pianist.

dressing room nickname "prime minister"!



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 18, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
The classic question with ansari is who do you pick instead? No other spinner good enough.  Another batsman would be ballance (not good enough) or buttler (no red ball cricket in a year) I think ansari has done the holding role passably So far.  The days where rashid goes round the park he'll be important.

Duckett will be fine,  he's learning on the job but hopefully Thorpe will be a good help for him.  Hope he doesn't just plonk his front foot on off stump as an over reaction,  as he'll. Then be lbw fodder for the one that goes straight on.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: rinswun on November 18, 2016, 01:42:10 PM
Ansari was thinking of retiring from professional cricket as recently as August. Had lucrative job offers in the City and still considering.

double first and a masters at cambridge, concert pianist.

dressing room nickname "prime minister"!



Good rugby player too. Played fly half for a very decent school first XV for 3 years.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on November 18, 2016, 02:11:26 PM
The classic question with ansari is who do you pick instead? No other spinner good enough.  Another batsman would be ballance (not good enough) or buttler (no red ball cricket in a year) I think ansari has done the holding role passably So far.  The days where rashid goes round the park he'll be important.

Duckett will be fine,  he's learning on the job but hopefully Thorpe will be a good help for him.  Hope he doesn't just plonk his front foot on off stump as an over reaction,  as he'll. Then be lbw fodder for the one that goes straight on.

Out of the lot have to go with Batty, though can't just pick 3 spinners if all are poor just because it's India. Wouldn't go near Ballance and he should never have been picked. Buttler should be in team, plays IPL and knows conditions.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 18, 2016, 02:51:58 PM
Bairstow is batting too low at 7.

too good to be batting 7



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on November 18, 2016, 06:53:57 PM
Bairstow is batting too low at 7.

too good to be batting 7



Agree, so often he has to give up his wicket chasing quick runs before the tail runs out


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on November 19, 2016, 02:26:23 PM
The classic question with ansari is who do you pick instead? No other spinner good enough.  Another batsman would be ballance (not good enough) or buttler (no red ball cricket in a year) I think ansari has done the holding role passably So far.  The days where rashid goes round the park he'll be important.

Duckett will be fine,  he's learning on the job but hopefully Thorpe will be a good help for him.  Hope he doesn't just plonk his front foot on off stump as an over reaction,  as he'll. Then be lbw fodder for the one that goes straight on.

Out of the lot have to go with Batty, though can't just pick 3 spinners if all are poor just because it's India. Wouldn't go near Ballance and he should never have been picked. Buttler should be in team, plays IPL and knows conditions.

This. Would have even rather played a fast bowler over Ansari as England have quite a few of those who are good. England need to learn to play to their strengths and not just pick x player from county circuit because spinner.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 19, 2016, 06:04:08 PM
Issue would be with woakes injured in would be ball or finn,  so it's not much of an upgrade. Next test could be the best chance of a helpful wicket for seamers so hopefully woakes/broad will be able to play.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 20, 2016, 10:36:09 AM
good photo

Stokes catches Kohli again

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxr9mzOXUAE7Chy.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on November 20, 2016, 12:21:18 PM
Gritty stuff from England today

Shame cook out at the end but both nothing could be done really.

Complete agree with nasser as I usually do.

Kholi likes to shout a lot but his field placings are average at best gets away with it due to this attack


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 20, 2016, 12:24:24 PM
a very creditable effort today. ball is keeping low and turning. good technique to only be two down at the close

game was lost with the first innings batting from the top 5 (not Cook), run outs and slogs etc. arguably lost the moment they lost the toss i suppose



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on November 20, 2016, 12:25:23 PM
Yep won't be many who survive against this pitch when losing the toss.

Nick knight like kholi no surprise there


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 20, 2016, 12:31:44 PM
id drop duckett for buttler next test, bairstow to 4. just dont think duckett is going to get anything out of this tour, and maybe give him a go next summer.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 20, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
i am a fan of ansari and batty but unless they rock up and find mohali cracked crazy paving and dusty (they might) then i think given the way broad bowled here they'll be tempted to go with 4 quicks (anderson, broad and woakes + stokes) and moeen/rashid as suggested in this thread

they also have 4 left handers in the top six, so buttler for duckett could well be an option for that reason

tomorrow is a big inning for duckett's short term future, though whatever happens has a very bright future. not easy to rock up on the sub-continent and begin a test career there.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 20, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
i am a fan of ansari and batty but unless they rock up and find mohali cracked crazy paving and dusty (they might) then i think given the way broad bowled here they'll be tempted to go with 4 quicks (anderson, broad and woakes + stokes) and moeen/rashid as suggested in this thread

they also have 4 left handers in the top six, so buttler for duckett could well be an option for that reason

tomorrow is a big inning for duckett's short term future, though whatever happens has a very bright future. not easy to rock up on the sub-continent and begin a test career there.

broad is injured, inflamed tendon i think? and will be out for the next test, surprising given how well he bowled today!


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on November 20, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
i am a fan of ansari and batty but unless they rock up and find mohali cracked crazy paving and dusty (they might) then i think given the way broad bowled here they'll be tempted to go with 4 quicks (anderson, broad and woakes + stokes) and moeen/rashid as suggested in this thread

they also have 4 left handers in the top six, so buttler for duckett could well be an option for that reason

tomorrow is a big inning for duckett's short term future, though whatever happens has a very bright future. not easy to rock up on the sub-continent and begin a test career there.

Yeah one for the future, just need to remind him hat he's still in their thoughts for the summer when they pull him. Nothing wrong with getting exposed to Test level and then given time to go away and work on it.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on November 22, 2016, 10:15:47 AM
Looks like Buttler for Duckett. Is there anyone who doesn't agree he should have replaced Ansari instead? #frustrating


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 22, 2016, 06:06:50 PM
Looks like Buttler for Duckett. Is there anyone who doesn't agree he should have replaced Ansari instead? #frustrating

me. I think Ansari gets left out, for either Ball or Batty. Broad looks likely to miss out for Woakes. Whatever combo we go with we're going to need 6 bowlers. Anderson Broad and Woakes are have injury doubts, if one of them breaks down then you'd be down to 4 bowlers, risk bowling Stokes into the ground etc.

I do agree it's time for Ansari to be took out of the firing line, but I don't think he's been horrendous ala Ian Salisbury of old, Kerrigan etc.

Any changes we make won't necessarily enhance our team. Duckett needs taking out, but the man replacing him had a shocker the last time he played test cricket and has a first class average below Rashid and Woakes ... Other batsman in the squad in Ballance.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 25, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Broad and Ansari out injured

Buttler replaces Dckett and will bat 7


Cook
Hameed
Root
Moeen
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Anderson

the pitch is very dry. Must win the toss and bat to have a shot


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Karabiner on November 25, 2016, 11:32:22 AM
Who gets the gloves?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 25, 2016, 09:24:03 PM
Who gets the gloves?

Bairstow keeps them


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on November 25, 2016, 09:43:13 PM
Duckett needed taking out.

There is failing without making a score and there is looking clueless. Lets face it the county game is no guide to this tbf...

Butler has no pedigree at this level but could produce something out of the blue.

More worried about batty who I still have little idea why he was picked. He seems a lovely bloke but he is barely a division 1 above average spinner let alone test level.

All that said if we get the breaks/toss no reason we can't go close





Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 26, 2016, 10:18:27 AM
At 92/4 we'd wasted the toss

Bairstow, once again, pulled us partly out of the mire


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 26, 2016, 12:01:44 PM
 England had their chance after winning the toss and they blew it: 268 for 8 a nothing score on this pitch.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on November 26, 2016, 12:07:20 PM
England just don't know how to pick a side. If you have Moeen at 4 you surely it's obvious you're a batsman light? Then having 3 spinners for India sounds great in theory but not when the 3rd one is Gareth Batty. Do the selectors realise Indians face superior spinners every single game in their domestic season? They are afraid to take risks.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 26, 2016, 06:19:21 PM
England just don't know how to pick a side. If you have Moeen at 4 you surely it's obvious you're a batsman light? Then having 3 spinners for India sounds great in theory but not when the 3rd one is Gareth Batty. Do the selectors realise Indians face superior spinners every single game in their domestic season? They are afraid to take risks.

I do think moeen is too high at 4 when he'll revert to 8 for home games,  but we have no other options.  Other batsman in the squad are duckett and ballance,  both currently unselectable.  If not Batty then it would be Ball or Finn so again it's debatable if we'd be stronger. 

A name mentioned batting wise is billings,  Thorpe said he was the best English player of spin. I guess if we pick specialist spin Bowlers for these tours why not specialist spin batsman?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 27, 2016, 09:52:27 AM
England just don't know how to pick a side. If you have Moeen at 4 you surely it's obvious you're a batsman light? Then having 3 spinners for India sounds great in theory but not when the 3rd one is Gareth Batty. Do the selectors realise Indians face superior spinners every single game in their domestic season? They are afraid to take risks.

I do think moeen is too high at 4 when he'll revert to 8 for home games,  but we have no other options.  Other batsman in the squad are duckett and ballance,  both currently unselectable.  If not Batty then it would be Ball or Finn so again it's debatable if we'd be stronger. 

A name mentioned batting wise is billings,  Thorpe said he was the best English player of spin. I guess if we pick specialist spin Bowlers for these tours why not specialist spin batsman?

Ok,  fair enough,  anyone but batty 😔


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: horseplayer on November 27, 2016, 11:17:57 AM
Today one of the reasons I love this side

Nothing happening so we put the squeeze on with some tight accurate and very good fielding so the game never got away.

A piece of world class catching from woakes and then out of this world fielding from buttler turns it all around.

Superb watching


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 28, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Oh Moeen :-(


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on November 28, 2016, 02:54:38 PM
Just FYI, this is the team i would have played this game:

Cook
Hameed
Root
Ballance/Duckett/anyone who can genuinely bat
Buttler
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Anderson

And to me this seems like a much more balanced side. If i truly had my own way i would also take out Stokes for a genuine fast bowler - this would never happen though as everyone is obsessed with Stokes despite his distinctly average stats. What England have to learn though is you can't win in this format with bits and pieces players. Picking Batty, sticking Moeen at 4 and 3 and playing too many all rounders is never going to be how you win tests.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on November 28, 2016, 03:53:27 PM
Just FYI, this is the team i would have played this game:

Cook
Hameed
Root
Ballance/Duckett/anyone who can genuinely bat
Buttler
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Rashid
Anderson

And to me this seems like a much more balanced side. If i truly had my own way i would also take out Stokes for a genuine fast bowler - this would never happen though as everyone is obsessed with Stokes despite his distinctly average stats. What England have to learn though is you can't win in this format with bits and pieces players. Picking Batty, sticking Moeen at 4 and 3 and playing too many all rounders is never going to be how you win tests.

You want to take out Stokes? jeeeeeez. 2nd in the batting averages and 3rd in the bowling for this tour, as well as being our best fielder. Was good again in Bangladesh. I went against the hype at the start, but surely now he's got to be regarded as a class player?

The batty decision is going to take a panning as he barely bowled until they gave him a long spell towards the end, as if to justify his selection. But the fact remains that the other options aren't great. Ballance just isn't good enough, after Bangladesh they should have left him out of the squad for another batsman (Jennings, Gubbins, Billings). Duckett has been exposed against top quality spin. Rather than ruin him, it's best to take him out of the firing line and try and form a way that he can defend against the spinners (he has all the attacking shots required). They were such bad options we had to pick a guy who'd played 1 first class game in a year in Buttler, that shows how bad the situation was.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 28, 2016, 04:01:58 PM
the fault is in the squad selection. as ever this is partially with handsight

but in a 16 man squad you have 4 "unselectables"...duckett, ballance, ansari, batty and a seamer too many. finn/ball not required and never both likely to be at the same time. doesn't mean that duckett and ansari were bad selections, you have to find out. ballance and batty are far more questionable as you know what cricketers they are, from previously

coincidentally cook appears to have thoroughly lost faith in moeen as a bowler so that seems to explain why the option of going in with moeen/rashid only wasn't chosen







Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 29, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
Hameed has been ruled out of the rest of the tour

he was terrific today, 58* with a broken finger. at the end of the innings he had won their respect, Kohli and co all went up and shook his hand

been some selection mistakes for this tour, but one shining light is that they should have found a test opener for 10 years plus, and selecting him at 19yo is a big plus for Bayliss and co


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on November 29, 2016, 03:41:47 PM
Hameed has been ruled out of the rest of the tour

he was terrific today, 58* with a broken finger. at the end of the innings he had won their respect, Kohli and co all went up and shook his hand

been some selection mistakes for this tour, but one shining light is that they should have found a test opener for 10 years plus, and selecting him at 19yo is a big plus for Bayliss and co

Pencil him in for the full Summer in England. The search for Cook's opening partner is finally resolved!

As for the batting woes, we don't seem to have anything to lose. I'm all for flying Jason Roy out and giving him a spin in the last couple of tests.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: AndrewT on November 29, 2016, 03:49:30 PM
The England Lions are due to start a few games in the UAE next week - perhaps might be an idea to have them tour a few weeks ahead of the main team so if anyone hits form they can get promoted up.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 29, 2016, 04:09:19 PM
the Lions were in loughborough for a month with andy flower, playing on worn scuffed pitches through october (weather allowing) ahead of the UAE.

not a hope they pick jason roy to open in tests, his technique isn't tight enough. hales is in the bad books.

have a go with gubbins, jennings or bell-drummond and see what you have.

likelihood is we'll lose 4-0, we don't have 11 effective cricketers for the sub-continent currently but lets get the guys blooded and develop a squad for the Ashes next winter


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 30, 2016, 10:54:01 AM
Keaton Jennings and Liam Dawson called up


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 01, 2016, 01:05:45 AM
Keaton Jennings and Liam Dawson called up

If one journeyman county spinner doesn't work just pluck another out at random. That's sure to be the recipe to success  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 01, 2016, 12:19:29 PM
Keaton Jennings and Liam Dawson called up

If one journeyman county spinner doesn't work just pluck another out at random. That's sure to be the recipe to success  ;carlocitrone;

that's a bit harsh. the whole structure of the English game mitigates against developing big spinners (weather a bit too)

every spinner we have is a journeyman by the standards of Yasir, Ashwin, Herath etc

really you might only point to Lyon, Santner and Bishoo as non-Asian test quality spinners these days and none of them are English.

i agree you might have gone in with two spinners and played the extra seamer instead of as third spinner in India, but i repeat an earlier point..something has gone on with Cook no longer trusting Moeen's off-spin, he has bowled noticeably less in India than Bangladesh


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on December 01, 2016, 01:09:42 PM
Keaton Jennings and Liam Dawson called up

If one journeyman county spinner doesn't work just pluck another out at random. That's sure to be the recipe to success  ;carlocitrone;

that's a bit harsh. the whole structure of the English game mitigates against developing big spinners (weather a bit too)

every spinner we have is a journeyman by the standards of Yasir, Ashwin, Herath etc

really you might only point to Lyon, Santner and Bishoo as non-Asian test quality spinners these days and none of them are English.

i agree you might have gone in with two spinners and played the extra seamer instead of as third spinner in India, but i repeat an earlier point..something has gone on with Cook no longer trusting Moeen's off-spin, he has bowled noticeably less in India than Bangladesh

The pitch for the 3rd test looked like a raging turner. Last year at the ground it was wrapped up within 3 days and was turning square on the 1st morning (Dean Elgar took 4 wickets ...). So going with 3 spinners is fine in that case. It turned out to be flat enough, so in hindsight they'd have been better off with the 4th seamer or a batsman.

Even with the benefit of hindsight, what role would Jake Ball have had as the 4th seamer? Stokes was our best seamer, Rashid was much improved, Ball is still 6th in the queue to get a bowl and would have bowled similar amount to Batty. Going 5 bowlers and picking Duckett when he'd been exposed might have set him back, better to take him out of the firing line. Recall ballance? he'd be a walking wicket v Ashwin. Even the Buttler selection was a big risk.

Normally in 6-man attacks the 5th/6th bowlers are top order batsman so if they don't bowl much then it's not as noticeable. It's always going to be an issue if your 3rd spinner bowls less than Moeen (bats 4) or your 4th seamer bowls less than Stokes (bats 6).

We don't have the players to win out in these conditions, there's no shame in that, neither could South Africa last year and Australia certainly won't win in India next spring. We could have made different choices in hindsight (not take Ballance if you're never going to pick him, Billings apparently v.good v spin so give him a go), not take batty (Leach gets mentioned but his own county skipper said he wouldn't be up to it) etc, but these all seem minor points to me and we'd still be getting beat off a better side in these conditions.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 01, 2016, 02:32:45 PM
That's the thing though. Spin isnt our strength (it is for few teams against India in their own backyard) so where's the logic in picking 3 of them?

You pick 5 bowlers - Anderson, Woakes who'll hit the seam, Stokes who'll hit the deck, Rashid's leggies and Moeen's off breaks. If really necessary you get Root to turn his arm over a bit while the others take a breather. I don't really see what a 6th bowler will bring.

It's a travesty that two supposedly unpickable players are currently with the England squad. But i'd still rather play the extra batsman and ask him to either go and attack/shore up an end rather than waste a spot in the side with Zafar, Batty etc because India aren't necessarily the most confident bowling side. They'll knock about the extra spinner for fun, but if someone is going after them with the bat or doggedly holding up an end that is far more likely to be the difference England are searching for.

To win tests you firstly need to play to your strengths and secondly you need specialists. England selectors have done a terrible job from all angles so far no question, incredibly lucky to be saving some face with 19 year old Hameed.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 02, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
some going

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyrAIKTXAAA2kBE.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 02, 2016, 11:37:51 PM
some going

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyrAIKTXAAA2kBE.jpg)

Awesome going, hellova turnaround from first period playing test match cricket, went away and did the hard yards needed for test cricket. Something for Duckett etc to take on board.

I really didn't think Buttler was much of a risk, yeah he hadn't played much red ball this year but had clearly been in form. Whilst Bairstow is deffo the wickie now, I would give Buttler some glove time in last two tests in India. Bairstow gonna be shot if he spends most the game on the pitch again.

Too late now of course but i. England were happy to take Batty, they should have taken Bell, someone who can actually play spin.

Anyone else see Cook givig up captaincy at end of series, but remaining as opener?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 02, 2016, 11:44:06 PM
some going

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyrAIKTXAAA2kBE.jpg)

Awesome going, hellova turnaround from first period playing test match cricket, went away and did the hard yards needed for test cricket. Something for Duckett etc to take on board.

I really didn't think Buttler was much of a risk, yeah he hadn't played much red ball this year but had clearly been in form. Whilst Bairstow is deffo the wickie now, I would give Buttler some glove time in last two tests in India. Bairstow gonna be shot if he spends most the game on the pitch again.

Too late now of course but i. England were happy to take Batty, they should have taken Bell, someone who can actually play spin.

Anyone else see Cook givig up captaincy at end of series, but remaining as opener?

There has been rumours about cook reported in the media. The thinking is if this series isn't his last as captain then he will carry on until the series down under next year and then give it up and bat on.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Tommo on December 04, 2016, 03:59:12 AM
some going

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyrAIKTXAAA2kBE.jpg)

I always feel great pride as a Yorkshireman when ever one of our own does well, I think he is a great example of what you can do with hard work and the right attitude, he deserves all the plaudits he is now getting.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: kp24 on December 04, 2016, 12:19:56 PM
Great credit to bairstow gone away and worked at his his game as he said himself still work to do as well especially on his keeping we are spoilt in the wicketkeeper batsman department unlike the spin department as discussed above only plus is there a couple of promising young spinners in county cricket hopefully they willl come through in the future



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 08, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
Sigh 230-2 to 249-5

Its already spinning and going through the top. 350 might be a winning score, but got to get there first


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Doobs on December 08, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
Sigh 230-2 to 249-5

Its already spinning and going through the top. 350 might be a winning score, but got to get there first

Rashid at 5/2 a bet for top England wicket taker?

Edit 1st innings only if not clear


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 08, 2016, 11:57:09 AM
Sigh 230-2 to 249-5

Its already spinning and going through the top. 350 might be a winning score, but got to get there first

Rashid at 5/2 a bet for top England wicket taker?

currently a bet in any innings of this series. Could be especially so on this pitch which has spun more on the first day than the previous three pitches in the series

He has 18 wickets in 3 games, next highest is 7

Cook has been bowling Moeen less, the team has dropped the third spinner too. So as long as England don't take early wickets, Rashid should be a good favourite


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Doobs on December 08, 2016, 12:16:38 PM
Sigh 230-2 to 249-5

Its already spinning and going through the top. 350 might be a winning score, but got to get there first

Rashid at 5/2 a bet for top England wicket taker?

currently a bet in any innings of this series. Could be especially so on this pitch which has spun more on the first day than the previous three pitches in the series

He has 18 wickets in 3 games, next highest is 7

Cook has been bowling Moeen less, the team has dropped the third spinner too. So as long as England don't take early wickets, Rashid should be a good favourite

Cheers.  Hills maxed me at £32. 


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on December 09, 2016, 08:30:35 AM
400 should be a winner here if we bowl and catch competently ...


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 09, 2016, 10:12:17 AM
Poor use of a review


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 09, 2016, 12:04:35 PM
the difference in the quality of the spin attacks is making it look like the pitch has flattened out

India bat all day tomorrow and lead, maybe.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on December 09, 2016, 03:36:12 PM
the difference in the quality of the spin attacks is making it look like the pitch has flattened out

India bat all day tomorrow and lead, maybe.

Yep.  Spinners being shown up.  So would most countries mind. Early days buts ashwin and jadeja will be even more of a handful 2nd time around


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on December 11, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Sigh 230-2 to 249-5

Its already spinning and going through the top. 350 might be a winning score, but got to get there first

Rashid at 5/2 a bet for top England wicket taker?

Edit 1st innings only if not clear

Well done!  ;applause;


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Doobs on December 11, 2016, 10:47:04 AM
Sigh 230-2 to 249-5

Its already spinning and going through the top. 350 might be a winning score, but got to get there first

Rashid at 5/2 a bet for top England wicket taker?

Edit 1st innings only if not clear

Well done!  ;applause;

Only 2 England players have conceded more runs in an innings.   
 ;whistle;


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: ripple11 on December 11, 2016, 08:52:55 PM
Sigh 230-2 to 249-5

Its already spinning and going through the top. 350 might be a winning score, but got to get there first

Rashid at 5/2 a bet for top England wicket taker?

currently a bet in any innings of this series. Could be especially so on this pitch which has spun more on the first day than the previous three pitches in the series

He has 18 wickets in 3 games, next highest is 7

Cook has been bowling Moeen less, the team has dropped the third spinner too. So as long as England don't take early wickets, Rashid should be a good favourite

Cheers.  Hills maxed me at £32. 

Cheers guys  :)up


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on December 11, 2016, 09:01:10 PM
No one has won a test in india since we last won the series over there. we went expecting to get hammered every test, and we havent. yes we will probably lose 3-1 or 4-0 but we have competed for long periods in each test, and just been let down because India, in their own conditions are just far superior to everyone ekse. We have put up a better fight than the aussies and the saffas, who were completely battered.

Side for first test this summer assuming all fit?

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Anderson

Thats what id go with, Rashid has proved he is a good bowler this tour, and offers something different. No point picking 5 seamers, one just wont bowl if you have Jimmy, Broady, Stokes and Woakes plus one other. only other option could be to bat Buttler 7, and Ali 8 and drop Rashid, but i like the balance of it wtith the leggie in the team


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on December 12, 2016, 01:13:50 AM
Would love to find a way of getting Mark Wood into that team if fully fit. Maybe some sort of rotation between Ando Broard Wood and Woakes.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 12, 2016, 01:22:34 AM
Stokes seems too high at 6 given Hameed and Jennings relative inexperience plus not sure we need to find room for both Rashid and Moeen on English pitches. I'd probably drop Moeen for Duckett or someone similar given Root can bowl reasonable offies if required, not that i'd expect him to much given England's forte is definitely pace at home.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 12, 2016, 11:16:13 AM
Gonna depend on the captaincy I think. If Cook remains skipper, Root going back to 4 gives room for him to bowl more spin. If he takes over as Captain, can't see him bowling much.

Seamers should be rotated somewhat, all of them at an age where injuries play a part


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on December 12, 2016, 11:48:34 AM
Doubt Rashid plays in home tests. Spinner at home is more used for control, Moeen fits that role better than Rashid. Hameed and Jennings look ready, so that solves some problems. For me it's just who you bat at 7. Do you want a keeper so Bairstow can just concentrate on his batting? majority of candiates are actually keepers haha, Billings, Buttler, Duckett etc.

Cook
Hammed
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
?
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

In home conditions, the rest will take the burden and should allow Hammed/Jennings/your number 7 to bed in. Wood would certainly challenge if fit, but at the moment he's far too injury prone. Shame, as he's a real handful. Other bowlers like Finn, Ball, TRJ are back-up/rotation. First test of the summer is later due to hosting champions trophy so players will have a chance to state their case in county games prior.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 12, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Mark Wood, if fit, please

4 seamers plus Moeen as the stock bowler



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: kp24 on December 12, 2016, 09:29:05 PM
Mark Wood, if fit, please

4 seamers plus Moeen as the stock bowler



Mark wood is a must when fit the attack has been missing a proper fast bowler for the last 4 years the missing piece and you only need to one spinner at home unless it's a real turner,everyone seems to pointing the fingers at the bowling but it's the batting thats the big letdown this winter


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on December 12, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
Mark Wood, if fit, please

4 seamers plus Moeen as the stock bowler



yeah but its not 4 seamers is it... its 5with stokes. wood anderson broad woaks and stokes, too many, one would never bowl! think buttler ha done enough so far to warrant his spot come the summer


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on December 13, 2016, 06:59:43 AM
I think England should give some consideration to playing Buttler as a keeper and allowing Johnny Bairstow to concentrate on batting. He has been fantastic but the team would benefit hugely from a few more BIG hundred rather than the 70/80s he seems to get regularly.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 13, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
'England are one-dimensional, poorly captained and selecting the wrong team' - Geoffrey Boycott off his long run, breathing fire

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2016/12/12/alastair-cook-kidding-thinks-england-close-matching-india/


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 14, 2016, 01:00:48 PM
the chennai pitch being dried after the cyclone

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czoohv2UUAA-Slg.jpg)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Magic817 on December 15, 2016, 01:13:30 PM
Jimmy is ruled out of the 5th test


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tikay on December 15, 2016, 01:25:17 PM
Jimmy is ruled out of the 5th test

Never knew you were a cricket sort, Matt?

Do you play, or just watch?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Magic817 on December 15, 2016, 02:16:24 PM
Jimmy is ruled out of the 5th test

Never knew you were a cricket sort, Matt?

Do you play, or just watch?

Big cricket fan. I used to play a bit when at school but that was quite a few years ago now!


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tikay on December 15, 2016, 02:19:39 PM
Jimmy is ruled out of the 5th test

Never knew you were a cricket sort, Matt?

Do you play, or just watch?

Big cricket fan. I used to play a bit when at school but that was quite a few years ago now!

Never knew that.

Batter, bowler, all-rounder?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tiger on December 15, 2016, 02:42:07 PM
Short leg


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on December 16, 2016, 09:33:08 AM
Stolen off twitter ...

Root conversion rate of 50's into hundreds 11/38 (28.9%)

rest of the ICC top 5: Smith 16/34 (47.1%); Kohli 15/29 (51.7%); Williamson 14/38 (36.8%); Amla 25/56 (44.6%)


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 16, 2016, 09:52:46 AM
Root in this series: 124, 4, 53, 25, 15, 78, 21, 77 and 88 = 485 runs at 53.88. Very good, but feels like a missed opportunity.

turning a couple of 50s into matchwinning big hundreds would have made it a great series


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tikay on December 17, 2016, 09:57:38 AM


TMS have struggled with "the line" from Chennai, understandably given the recent problems there.

Real Heath Robinson stuff today.

And Aggers sems to have become a plumpy.



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 19, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
754-7

highest score ever against England

man alive, the bowlers will be looking forward to green tops in April at trent bridge!


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tikay on December 19, 2016, 12:20:26 PM
754-7

highest score ever against England

man alive, the bowlers will be looking forward to green tops in April at trent bridge!

And just 7 Extras, which is going some in such an innings.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Doobs on December 19, 2016, 12:43:58 PM
754-7

highest score ever against England

man alive, the bowlers will be looking forward to green tops in April at trent bridge!

And just 7 Extras, which is going some in such an innings.

love the summary; "Karun Nair hits 303 not out (dropped on 217)"

If only that catch was held, when he was only on 217.

I one met Chris Scott on a stag do, and he would have something to say at this point.  In my experience, maybe not, but his "friends" will happily fill you in. 

I wonder if Tighty could get this one without google.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 19, 2016, 12:49:44 PM
dropped Lara at Edgbaston? Lara went on to get 501*?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Doobs on December 19, 2016, 12:57:22 PM
dropped Lara at Edgbaston? Lara went on to get 501*?

That is the one.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/07/chris-scott-drop-brian-lara-the-spin-cricket (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/07/chris-scott-drop-brian-lara-the-spin-cricket)

I must have met him not long after that and I am pretty sure Simon Hughes wasn't the only one to hear this line.

Later, the story would come about that Scott said: “I bet he’ll go on and get a hundred now.” That was a line he gave to Simon Hughes at a party a couple of years later, which Hughes then used on TV. Maybe Scott did say that. He isn’t certain. “I may have said it. But I’m sure it wasn’t the first thing I said. The first thing I said wasn’t fit for publication.”



Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 20, 2016, 11:34:01 AM
England won 4 tossess in the series, lost 4-0

lost by an inning here having scored 477 (rare) and lost their last ten wickets for 105 today

i think Cook will step down. Root is ready and Cook can go on as opener for several more years without the captaincy.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Tonibell on December 20, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
Great summary. I find myself in the uncomfortable position of nodding along with Sir Geoffrey who just said  we'll come back home, smash teams up with swing on green 'uns, and nothing will change.

Love to see Root given the chance. And Cook the chance to find his form again.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on December 20, 2016, 02:46:55 PM
Issue with cook going now (I think he will) is that root will still be an inexperienced skipper when we tour Australia next winter. A real battering out there would be a big blow that early in his reign.  I'd prefer cook to stay on till then, so long as he's willing. Today might have made his mind up for him.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 20, 2016, 04:02:22 PM
Thank God that the torture is finally over.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 20, 2016, 11:17:12 PM
England need to get all their fringe players playing abroad in winters in leagues across the world to get them used to foreign conditions, especially the sub continent. What's the point in having a 16/17 man squad when most of them play sod all games and water carry for months. Get them some proper competitive cricket. Not exactly difficult to call someone up for injury replacement/loss of form.

Cook looks shot as a captain, let him get back to being one of the best batsmen in the world.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on December 20, 2016, 11:39:11 PM
England need to get all their fringe players playing abroad in winters in leagues across the world to get them used to foreign conditions, especially the sub continent. What's the point in having a 16/17 man squad when most of them play sod all games and water carry for months. Get them some proper competitive cricket. Not exactly difficult to call someone up for injury replacement/loss of form.

Cook looks shot as a captain, let him get back to being one of the best batsmen in the world.

Even just getting him back to a half decent opener will be good enough.

Stokes is too high at 6, Ali is too high at 4.

Back in England i think im going:

Hameed
Cook
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Woakes/Wood
Broad
Anderson


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 21, 2016, 12:52:08 AM
Yeah team looks good, though pretty much picks itself at home. Next winter conditions much more friendly for the bowlers so England really need to get some solid form going prior.

Anyone else think, despite the conditions, our seamers were distinctly average in India? Their seamers looked far more potent and they are rank average.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Noose on December 24, 2016, 07:50:36 AM
England need to get all their fringe players playing abroad in winters in leagues across the world to get them used to foreign conditions, especially the sub continent. What's the point in having a 16/17 man squad when most of them play sod all games and water carry for months. Get them some proper competitive cricket. Not exactly difficult to call someone up for injury replacement/loss of form.

Cook looks shot as a captain, let him get back to being one of the best batsmen in the world.

Even just getting him back to a half decent opener will be good enough.

Stokes is too high at 6, Ali is too high at 4.

Back in England i think im going:

Hameed
Cook
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Woakes/Wood
Broad
Anderson



Newbie here....hope it's ok for me to join the convo.

Ali is probably one of the best players of spin in the team (albeit his shot selection and temperament need to improve). Couldn't he be groomed as a proper No.4? The man scored 2 centuries in India and could be a vital cog  in any future South Asian tours.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: tikay on December 24, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
England need to get all their fringe players playing abroad in winters in leagues across the world to get them used to foreign conditions, especially the sub continent. What's the point in having a 16/17 man squad when most of them play sod all games and water carry for months. Get them some proper competitive cricket. Not exactly difficult to call someone up for injury replacement/loss of form.

Cook looks shot as a captain, let him get back to being one of the best batsmen in the world.

Even just getting him back to a half decent opener will be good enough.

Stokes is too high at 6, Ali is too high at 4.

Back in England i think im going:

Hameed
Cook
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Woakes/Wood
Broad
Anderson



Newbie here....hope it's ok for me to join the convo.

Ali is probably one of the best players of spin in the team (albeit his shot selection and temperament need to improve). Couldn't he be groomed as a proper No.4? The man scored 2 centuries in India and could be a vital cog  in any future South Asian tours.


You are more than welcome, & welcome aboard the blonde madhouse.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 24, 2016, 04:57:17 PM
England need to get all their fringe players playing abroad in winters in leagues across the world to get them used to foreign conditions, especially the sub continent. What's the point in having a 16/17 man squad when most of them play sod all games and water carry for months. Get them some proper competitive cricket. Not exactly difficult to call someone up for injury replacement/loss of form.

Cook looks shot as a captain, let him get back to being one of the best batsmen in the world.

Even just getting him back to a half decent opener will be good enough.

Stokes is too high at 6, Ali is too high at 4.

Back in England i think im going:

Hameed
Cook
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Woakes/Wood
Broad
Anderson



Newbie here....hope it's ok for me to join the convo.

Ali is probably one of the best players of spin in the team (albeit his shot selection and temperament need to improve). Couldn't he be groomed as a proper No.4? The man scored 2 centuries in India and could be a vital cog  in any future South Asian tours.


Welcome Noose, newbies always welcome.
Personally, I really like Ali down the order. Has a ridic average when batting lower down and having that capable a bat that low seems to help with batting collapses. No sub continent games for a for a fair while either.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on December 24, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
bat stokes at 8? averaged over 50 this year in test cricket. Leave duckett out and play wood aswell. thought thats 5 seamers, which seemed a lot. Buttler has done enough to warrant a start in the next test i think.

interesting you say about we'll go back to england and smash sides up on green seamers. What do you think india do?! they come to us/ aussies and get hammered and when we go there its minefield spinners. Its the same thing just the other way round.

Think its a promising side the england team, ashes next winter is the one.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: HutchGF on December 26, 2016, 11:11:29 AM
I'd like to see Buttler given the gloves and Bairstow to focus on being the #1 batsman in the world by the end of the year. This lad has resilience, talent and the ability to change gears and we cannot afford for him to keep running out of partners down at 7. Bairstow and Root should be the mainstay of the England middle order for years to come.

hButtler is such a talent and has the ability to change a game within an hour. Yes, he is going to fail sometimes but then again I believe with the batting line up we have we can afford to have a gamble on a potential match winner.

Stoke 6, Buttler 7, Ali 8 and England have a dynamic, game changing lower middle order that can bury tiring attacks.

Rashid has not done enough over the winter to overtake Ali in my opinion so I've stuck with him at 8.

I'd go with :
1. Habib
2. Cook
3. Jennings
4. Root
5. Bairstow
6. Stokes
7. Buttler
8. Ali
9. Wood if fit, otherwise Woakes
10. Broad
11. Anderson

I'd really like to see Root given a few more overs with the ball. I believe he's capable of more than just turning his arm over occassionally.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: nellberg on December 26, 2016, 06:46:52 PM
Do we need a spinner at home? would we not be stronger with an attack of Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Wood and Stokes? Root as a passable option as a spinner. Whenever Moeen is slated the stock response is "he's not a front line bowler, give him a chance". If he isn't a front line bolwer, why are we picking him as a front line bowler on pitches that won't suit?

For me at home he either plays in home tests as a specilaist bat or he doesn't play at all. Averages 40 with the ball at home, if we take out his stunning 1st series v India he averages 50+ with the ball and 2 wickets a game.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 26, 2016, 07:22:49 PM
Do we need a spinner at home? would we not be stronger with an attack of Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Wood and Stokes? Root as a passable option as a spinner. Whenever Moeen is slated the stock response is "he's not a front line bowler, give him a chance". If he isn't a front line bolwer, why are we picking him as a front line bowler on pitches that won't suit?

For me at home he either plays in home tests as a specilaist bat or he doesn't play at all. Averages 40 with the ball at home, if we take out his stunning 1st series v India he averages 50+ with the ball and 2 wickets a game.

+1. The argument against is that the attack becomes "one paced" but I actually don't agree, you've got Anderson who swings the ball, Broad who hits the deck, Woakes who hits the seam, Stokes and Wood who can hit 90+. You are absolutely right imo that Moeen's stats are poor at test level. I've always felt there's only room for one of him or Stokes in the team, not both.

Playing an extra batsman is going to be important  as the batting line up is long but short of experience.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on December 26, 2016, 10:17:37 PM
Do we need a spinner at home? would we not be stronger with an attack of Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Wood and Stokes? Root as a passable option as a spinner. Whenever Moeen is slated the stock response is "he's not a front line bowler, give him a chance". If he isn't a front line bolwer, why are we picking him as a front line bowler on pitches that won't suit?

For me at home he either plays in home tests as a specilaist bat or he doesn't play at all. Averages 40 with the ball at home, if we take out his stunning 1st series v India he averages 50+ with the ball and 2 wickets a game.

+1. The argument against is that the attack becomes "one paced" but I actually don't agree, you've got Anderson who swings the ball, Broad who hits the deck, Woakes who hits the seam, Stokes and Wood who can hit 90+. You are absolutely right imo that Moeen's stats are poor at test level. I've always felt there's only room for one of him or Stokes in the team, not both.

Playing an extra batsman is going to be important  as the batting line up is long but short of experience.

Doesnt really matter because Moee is in the team as a batter anyway, so his bowling is there regardless


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on December 26, 2016, 10:48:06 PM
bat stokes at 8? averaged over 50 this year in test cricket. Leave duckett out and play wood aswell. thought thats 5 seamers, which seemed a lot. Buttler has done enough to warrant a start in the next test i think.

interesting you say about we'll go back to england and smash sides up on green seamers. What do you think india do?! they come to us/ aussies and get hammered and when we go there its minefield spinners. Its the same thing just the other way round.

Think its a promising side the england team, ashes next winter is the one.

He averages about 33 in tests. Not enough to bat at 6 in my opinion. Maybe bat stokes at 7 and then Moeen at 8 in the UK. Especially now teams know to just bowl short against him.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on December 26, 2016, 10:53:42 PM
bat stokes at 8? averaged over 50 this year in test cricket. Leave duckett out and play wood aswell. thought thats 5 seamers, which seemed a lot. Buttler has done enough to warrant a start in the next test i think.

interesting you say about we'll go back to england and smash sides up on green seamers. What do you think india do?! they come to us/ aussies and get hammered and when we go there its minefield spinners. Its the same thing just the other way round.

Think its a promising side the england team, ashes next winter is the one.

He averages about 33 in tests. Not enough to bat at 6 in my opinion. Maybe bat stokes at 7 and then Moeen at 8 in the UK. Especially now teams know to just bowl short against him.

yeah but if you break it down into his recent record, Im pretty sure hes averaged over 60 in tests this year, thats series in SA and 5 tests in India, pretty good that. youd rather have duckett in there instead?


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Noose on December 29, 2016, 04:10:19 PM
England need to get all their fringe players playing abroad in winters in leagues across the world to get them used to foreign conditions, especially the sub continent. What's the point in having a 16/17 man squad when most of them play sod all games and water carry for months. Get them some proper competitive cricket. Not exactly difficult to call someone up for injury replacement/loss of form.

Cook looks shot as a captain, let him get back to being one of the best batsmen in the world.


Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.
Even just getting him back to a half decent opener will be good enough.

Stokes is too high at 6, Ali is too high at 4.

Back in England i think im going:

Hameed
Cook
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Woakes/Wood
Broad
Anderson



Newbie here....hope it's ok for me to join the convo.

Ali is probably one of the best players of spin in the team (albeit his shot selection and temperament need to improve). Couldn't he be groomed as a proper No.4? The man scored 2 centuries in India and could be a vital cog  in any future South Asian tours.


Welcome Noose, newbies always welcome.
Personally, I really like Ali down the order. Has a ridic average when batting lower down and having that capable a bat that low seems to help with batting collapses. No sub continent games for a for a fair while either.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Noose on December 29, 2016, 04:10:58 PM
Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 30, 2016, 03:34:52 PM
Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.

+1. We already have an all rounder in Stokes and a part time spinner in Root so I don't really see what Moeen brings to the team. A young specialist bat like Duckett though makes a lot more sense to me.

I mean it doesn't really matter anyway, we'll beat whoever we play at home then get equally thrashed when we go away :D


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: verndog158 on December 30, 2016, 08:10:34 PM
Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.

+1. We already have an all rounder in Stokes and a part time spinner in Root so I don't really see what Moeen brings to the team. A young specialist bat like Duckett though makes a lot more sense to me.

I mean it doesn't really matter anyway, we'll beat whoever we play at home then get equally thrashed when we go away :D

Moeen averaged 47 this year in tests, including away in SA and away in India. career stats are misleading, as hes clearly improving. walks into the side as a specialist batter alone at the moment in my opinion


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 30, 2016, 09:52:12 PM
Agreed that he is more dynamic down the order... but can the team afford to have him as a specialist batsman who averages in his 30's? Without spin friendly wickets in home games, his bowling is going to be distinctly part time.

+1. We already have an all rounder in Stokes and a part time spinner in Root so I don't really see what Moeen brings to the team. A young specialist bat like Duckett though makes a lot more sense to me.

I mean it doesn't really matter anyway, we'll beat whoever we play at home then get equally thrashed when we go away :D

Moeen averaged 47 this year in tests, including away in SA and away in India. career stats are misleading, as hes clearly improving. walks into the side as a specialist batter alone at the moment in my opinion

Fair point, i doubt England will drop him anyway.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 31, 2016, 10:49:51 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C06pTeCXAAA6JJO.jpg)

Fewest since 1977 (when just 23 Test played)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=year;orderbyad=reverse;template=results;type=aggregate;view=year


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: Noose on December 31, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C06pTeCXAAA6JJO.jpg)

Fewest since 1977 (when just 23 Test played)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=year;orderbyad=reverse;template=results;type=aggregate;view=year

Not surprising considering the overall increase in attacking batsmanship in Test Cricket over the last 15 years. Creates more time in the game....therefore more results.


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 31, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C06pTeCXAAA6JJO.jpg)

Fewest since 1977 (when just 23 Test played)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=year;orderbyad=reverse;template=results;type=aggregate;view=year

Not surprising considering the overall increase in attacking batsmanship in Test Cricket over the last 15 years. Creates more time in the game....therefore more results.

Also shows how poor batting is relative to bowling, particularly at staying in.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 09, 2017, 10:53:29 AM
Brad Hodge on test cricket

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1rPIcNWgAAqhq9.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: muckthenuts on January 09, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
Personally I yearn for a few green mambas where every run is hard fought for. The art of bowling has been nullified so much with flatter pitches and bigger bats. Sadly every cricket board is currently complicit in putting money ahead of the beauty of the game, none more so than the BCCI. Just look at the new World Cup format designed to ensure 9 Indian matches. Such a frustrating waste of potential in cricket right now which I can't see changing any time soon.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: muckthenuts on January 19, 2017, 01:38:06 PM
Has the ODI series piqued anybody's interest? Just saw that India scored 381 in their 50 overs, and briefly reminisced about a time when that would be majorly impressive rather than boring as hell.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on January 19, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
England score 360+ twice in 2 games and lose both times, this must be a record?

Has the ODI series piqued anybody's interest? Just saw that India scored 381 in their 50 overs, and briefly reminisced about a time when that would be majorly impressive rather than boring as hell.

I do agree, i think its turning into a game of baseball at times and that is a shame. I think thats great for t20 cricket, however, it would be good to see it a it more of a competition in the 50 over game


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 19, 2017, 05:38:57 PM
1.   Regulation changes, with further restrictions on numbers of players outside the circle and two power-play sections in each innings
2.   The use of one ball from each end, a harder/newer ball is easier to hit further
3.   Bat sizes, and bat technology (restrictions on bat sizes are coming)
4.   Transferance of T20 skills into ODIs. People are playing 50-over cricket with a T20 mindset
5.   Boundaries often in for the “TV spectacle”

its moved towards the T20 game when really it should be half way between T20 an a test match, but that is what rights holders (advertising revenue and viewer figures) and the boards want.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on January 19, 2017, 09:05:38 PM
Boundary sixes are the main issue I have, a bowler can beat the batsman, make him mis-hit the ball in the air and it still comfortably goes for 6. I don't mind these run-fest's if it produces close finishes like these last 2 have, it's the 350 plays 250ao in 40 overs games when it gets boring.

One positive is that it should (!) mean fielding captains attack for longer. It used to be those middle overs would just be nurdled around at a run a ball and it was a snooze, now you need to keep taking wickets all all times to have any chance of restricting teams. Smith with Australia will often bring back Starc or Cummins for a 2-3 over burst, stick a slip in and really strive for a wicket in the middle overs. McCullum was the same. You can't just sit back and wait for things to happen any more


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on January 21, 2017, 08:48:21 PM
The only hope that ODI cricket has is that it differentiates between itself and T20 cricket. The more it becomes simply a longer version of T20, the more likely that it will become irrelevant.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tonibell on January 22, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
England committing cricket at Eden Gardens now the ball's doing something.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Cavey007 on January 22, 2017, 05:12:28 PM
They won a game in India  :o


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tonibell on January 22, 2017, 05:54:18 PM
Some final over. England went from 3s on to 3s against in two balls then back to 5s on with a wicket. I don't think India will be giving us a day-night Test in Kolkata.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on February 01, 2017, 05:31:33 PM
I am not the biggest fan of Eoin Morgan, but there is no denying his talent and his ability to hit a cricket ball extremely cleanly. Think the problem people/ I have with him is his consistency, and lack of it for sure long periods. He can certainly bat, when hes in form.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2017, 05:47:38 PM
7 for 8 in 17 balls

a great collapse today.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2017, 05:50:25 PM
correction 8 for 8

119-2 to 127ao

W W . . . W 1 1 1 1 W . 4 W . W W . W


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on February 01, 2017, 06:01:25 PM
Was it good bowling or 'what time's our flight home' batting?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 01, 2017, 06:07:10 PM
Was it good bowling or 'what time's our flight home' batting?

started off being the first, ended being the second.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on February 01, 2017, 11:21:02 PM
Not sure what else you can do when you need 12+ an over


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on February 01, 2017, 11:26:21 PM
Was it good bowling or 'what time's our flight home' batting?

Think it was the latter. As usual Eng went full gung ho too early with little sense of how to play a spinner on that wicket.
Yes the rate was going up but England were actually ok over by over with what India had scored at that time.

Our bowlers were outstanding first two games which hid our batting defects somewhat.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on February 01, 2017, 11:40:46 PM
Part of it will come with experience. Facing 200, the rate getting up to 12's etc, we're not used to it, they think the only way to get it is to go mental. The more of our team that go and play in the IPL the better, they'll play in these kind of situations more often and learn how to pace it.

Going forward I'd like Roy to go on once he gets in. I don't mind him going hard in the first 6, when it works its a great asset. But then he struggles to re-adjust and go down a few gears and look to bat through the innings.

Bowling-wise Stokes is pretty expensive in T20's (econ 8.6). He obviously helps the balance of the side but in white-ball cricket I'd prefer him to be our 6th bowler, not a banker for his full quota.

Today was poor but we're still a load more competitive in white ball cricket since the 2015 WC, we'll get there



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: maldini32 on February 02, 2017, 01:16:48 AM
I think Root's another one who seems to get an easy ride in T20's. Test match and ODI's absolute star but too often he gets to 30/40 and out. I can't remember the last time he was there at the end of an innings. I thought today he was the one to blame, he ate up so many deliveries and put the pressure on Morgs in that he had to play the big shot and then Root goes and gets himself out. Two set batsmen out and the game was pretty much over.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on February 02, 2017, 09:28:19 PM
I think Root's another one who seems to get an easy ride in T20's. Test match and ODI's absolute star but too often he gets to 30/40 and out. I can't remember the last time he was there at the end of an innings. I thought today he was the one to blame, he ate up so many deliveries and put the pressure on Morgs in that he had to play the big shot and then Root goes and gets himself out. Two set batsmen out and the game was pretty much over.

you mean like the first t20 of the series?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: maldini32 on February 03, 2017, 02:20:41 AM
I think Root's another one who seems to get an easy ride in T20's. Test match and ODI's absolute star but too often he gets to 30/40 and out. I can't remember the last time he was there at the end of an innings. I thought today he was the one to blame, he ate up so many deliveries and put the pressure on Morgs in that he had to play the big shot and then Root goes and gets himself out. Two set batsmen out and the game was pretty much over.

you mean like the first t20 of the series?

Strike rate of 100 in both 1st and 2nd matches and the one to blame imo for the start of the collapse in the final match.

Granted the first match was a walk in the park.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 06, 2017, 02:34:18 PM
Alistair Cook has resigned, presumably to be replaced by Root

A brilliant batsman, and hopefully he'll be in form and opening for another 5 years plus now

Not a natural captain for me, too cautious, but to do it for 59 tests is some going


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on February 06, 2017, 10:15:44 PM
Alistair Cook has resigned, presumably to be replaced by Root

A brilliant batsman, and hopefully he'll be in form and opening for another 5 years plus now

Not a natural captain for me, too cautious, but to do it for 59 tests is some going

Any chance of catching Sachin u reckon? Number 2 seems doable if he stays fit and in form....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 07, 2017, 12:58:25 PM
Cook is 32

Sachin has 15,900
Cook has 11,057

Lets give Cook another 5 years?

He averages 46. England have 5-6 home tests and 4-5 away tests a calendar year

(2017 has 11. South Africa, Windies and 4 of the 5 ashes tests)

so lets say 10 tests at 46-50 per innings so 960-1000 runs pcy

thats 4800-5000 onto now so he gets ahead of Sachin yes


obviously form, fitness and longevity is unknown but i would have him odds on


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on February 07, 2017, 02:59:50 PM
Cook is 32

Sachin has 15,900
Cook has 11,057

Lets give Cook another 5 years?

He averages 46. England have 5-6 home tests and 4-5 away tests a calendar year

(2017 has 11. South Africa, Windies and 4 of the 5 ashes tests)

so lets say 10 tests at 46-50 per innings so 960-1000 runs pcy

thats 4800-5000 onto now so he gets ahead of Sachin yes


obviously form, fitness and longevity is unknown but i would have him odds on

I worry that his reasoning for stepping down was he had reservations about "how much he had left in the tank". Obviously he was talking about the captaincy but I can only see him going another couple of years. He's 32 now, Hameed and Keaton look to be up to the task and hopefully they'll progress in the coming years.

How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Longines on February 07, 2017, 03:04:55 PM

How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?

According to wiki, 4 years and 6 months respectively.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on February 07, 2017, 03:18:28 PM

How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?

According to wiki, 4 years and 6 months respectively.

Hmmmmmmm, Surprised Athers stayed on that long. I remember Hussain more, where the team had moved on under younger leadership and he felt it was time to bail. Athers showed it's possible though.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on February 07, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
Cook is 32

Sachin has 15,900
Cook has 11,057

Lets give Cook another 5 years?

He averages 46. England have 5-6 home tests and 4-5 away tests a calendar year

(2017 has 11. South Africa, Windies and 4 of the 5 ashes tests)

so lets say 10 tests at 46-50 per innings so 960-1000 runs pcy

thats 4800-5000 onto now so he gets ahead of Sachin yes


obviously form, fitness and longevity is unknown but i would have him odds on

I worry that his reasoning for stepping down was he had reservations about "how much he had left in the tank". Obviously he was talking about the captaincy but I can only see him going another couple of years. He's 32 now, Hameed and Keaton look to be up to the task and hopefully they'll progress in the coming years.

How long did Atherton and Hussain stay on as players after giving up the captaincy?

I think the captaincy takes a fair bit out of you and without that burden he will start piling on the runs again. I think it could get interesting though if he gets near the record but isn't performing that well. Would they drop him if he was say 500 runs within the record?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on February 07, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
Being the middle class posh boy private school type family man i can't see him at the ages of 36/7 grinding long winter tours even if he is in sight of the record.  He looks the type who's motivation will easily drop as well with age.  The absolute runs record isn't a good way to compare batsmen historically anyway.  He hasn't faced anything like the all time great attacks other people on that list have faced throughout their careers.  Secondly he has also played in an era with more and more test matches against generally poorer standard nations.  With an average of 46 surely he wouldn't even be considered in the top 10 test batsmen of all time right?

I would take Gower over Cook straight away both in style and substance given the power house attacks Gower was forced to play against in his era and they have a similar average.  Appreciate Gower never opened however which affects Cook's average.  Slot Cook into that team or Atherton era and how well does he do facing the opening attacks he did?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 07, 2017, 06:39:53 PM
nowhere near the top 10 of all time

top 50 of all time maybe



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on February 07, 2017, 06:44:56 PM
nowhere near the top 10 of all time

top 50 of all time maybe



You take Gower over Cook in 1985?  So he isn't even a cert to be in the top 50 of all time even with his record?  That is pretty damning about modern day test cricket surely?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 07, 2017, 06:51:04 PM
no its not meant to be damning

they just play more test cricket, are physically fitter/conditioned with great equipment playing on covered pitches that drain well. its a different game

he's 32 and has played 140 tests

lots of countries want to play england because of the revenue they bring, so England never rest

he could take off the odd winter tour, play for another 5 years and still hit 200 tests


top 10? off the top of my head

Bradman
Lara
Richards
Sachin
Compton
Hutton
G Chappell
Border
Hammond
Ponting

and i will have missed some

Cook isn't in the same postcode as any of those

He's in the same bracket as Gooch, boycott, Gower etc


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on February 07, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
no its not meant to be damning

they just play more test cricket, are physically fitter/conditioned with great equipment playing on covered pitches that drain well. its a different game

he's 32 and has played 140 tests

lots of countries want to play england because of the revenue they bring, so England never rest

he could take off the odd winter tour, play for another 5 years and still hit 200 tests


top 10? off the top of my head

Bradman
Lara
Richards
Sachin
Compton
Hutton
G Chappell
Border
Hammond
Ponting

and i will have missed some

Cook isn't in the same postcode as any of those

He's in the same bracket as Gooch, boycott, Gower etc

Fair enough.  Pretty similar points of view to me then.  How high can Root get potentially on the all time list?  Not just runs (obviously he could get to number 1 on that list easily) but where does his style/flair on top of the runs put him potentially in that all time list if he carries on to 32/33 like Cook has.  He seems to have a great mental approach to the game/life so there is no reason to think he will go off the boil other than captaincy ruining him.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 07, 2017, 06:56:13 PM
no its not meant to be damning

they just play more test cricket, are physically fitter/conditioned with great equipment playing on covered pitches that drain well. its a different game

he's 32 and has played 140 tests

lots of countries want to play england because of the revenue they bring, so England never rest

he could take off the odd winter tour, play for another 5 years and still hit 200 tests


top 10? off the top of my head

Bradman
Lara
Richards
Sachin
Compton
Hutton
G Chappell
Border
Hammond
Ponting

and i will have missed some

Cook isn't in the same postcode as any of those

He's in the same bracket as Gooch, boycott, Gower etc

Fair enough.  Pretty simple points of view to me then.  How high can Root get potentially on the all time list?

i didn't even include Kallis or Dravid or Sangakkara. most of these guys are averaging 55+

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/content/records/223646.html

Root (and steve smith, and amla, and kane williamson) all scope to be regarded as above Cook though players from NZ and SA won't play the volume of games to get into run scoring record charts

Amla has played 100 tests in 13 years, scored 8000 at 50


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on February 07, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Racing post said betway were 3/1 he breaks the record.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on February 08, 2017, 10:30:30 AM
Where are you putting KP in the English list?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 08, 2017, 10:35:57 AM
Where are you putting KP in the English list?

averages 47. similar bracket to boycott, gooch, gower, cook

below the hobbs, hammond, hutton, compton greats of eras past who played far less test matches but all average 50-57



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 08, 2017, 10:52:44 AM
Racing post said betway were 3/1 he breaks the record.

i know you have to park it in the bottom draw for 5 years but i think thats more than a fair price

this is what he said yesterday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4IcKcXWEAAVajM.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on February 08, 2017, 12:21:11 PM
Racing post said betway were 3/1 he breaks the record.

i know you have to park it in the bottom draw for 5 years but i think thats more than a fair price

this is what he said yesterday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4IcKcXWEAAVajM.jpg)

...and it is a double with betway still existing in 5 years.  Price seems about right to me with margin.  Wouldn't be looking to take 2/9 he doesn't break the record but wouldn't be in a rush to take the 3/1 either tbh.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 14, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
pleased to see we have appointed a genuine celeb as our new captain

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4lCXdCWYAA5zZJ.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on February 20, 2017, 09:05:31 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Cavey007 on February 20, 2017, 09:28:58 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

Stokes is a the most ever for an overseas player, joining MS Dhonis team, so he's done well! I would assume they'd be favourites. (Along with Steve Smith, faf du plessis)

Mills was 1.4, played a few internationals for us, against India this last month which probably helped his value!, I don't follow the league so couldn't tell you much morr about him.

Soaked went for over a mill too.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on February 20, 2017, 10:04:09 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

Stokes is a the most ever for an overseas player, joining MS Dhonis team, so he's done well! I would assume they'd be favourites. (Along with Steve Smith, faf du plessis)

Mills was 1.4, played a few internationals for us, against India this last month which probably helped his value!, I don't follow the league so couldn't tell you much morr about him.

Soaked went for over a mill too.

Dhoni's team were 2nd bottom last year (had injuries to key players though). They are one of the newer franchises so they may have needed time to gel.

Miles has the best death bowling figures around the world in recent T20 franchise cricket. He joins a strong team though, with Gayle, ABDV, Watson and Starc the 4 overseas guns. He'll be available for the entire tournament, so that would have been a boost for his chances.

Surprised Woakes went for that much. He could be a direct replacement at KKR for Andre Russell, who's serving a drugs violation ban.

Jason Roy has just got picked up. He was good in the WT20 in India last year and is having a good PSL comp at the moment, but he joins a team with McCullum, Dw.Smith and Finch in their ranks so he may be a bench character.

Morgan's got similar issues, he joins Kings Xi who have Miller, Maxwell and Shaun Marsh in their top order so he may only be a bit-part player.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on February 20, 2017, 10:12:22 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

Stokes is a the most ever for an overseas player, joining MS Dhonis team, so he's done well! I would assume they'd be favourites. (Along with Steve Smith, faf du plessis)

Mills was 1.4, played a few internationals for us, against India this last month which probably helped his value!, I don't follow the league so couldn't tell you much morr about him.

Soaked went for over a mill too.

Dhoni's team were 2nd bottom last year (had injuries to key players though). They are one of the newer franchises so they may have needed time to gel.

Miles has the best death bowling figures around the world in recent T20 franchise cricket. He joins a strong team though, with Gayle, ABDV, Watson and Starc the 4 overseas guns. He'll be available for the entire tournament, so that would have been a boost for his chances.

Surprised Woakes went for that much. He could be a direct replacement at KKR for Andre Russell, who's serving a drugs violation ban.

Jason Roy has just got picked up. He was good in the WT20 in India last year and is having a good PSL comp at the moment, but he joins a team with McCullum, Dw.Smith and Finch in their ranks so he may be a bench character.

Morgan's got similar issues, he joins Kings Xi who have Miller, Maxwell and Shaun Marsh in their top order so he may only be a bit-part player.

Never having heard of Mills just shows your ignorance of any cricket bar England test team. He played the last 3 T20 internationals that England played.
I've seen a fair bit of Mills play as he plays for Sussex, his slower ball is basically unpickable. Surprised by ho much he went for, but he is available for the whole tournament as only plays T20s. Also plays them all over the world, so quite experienced in them.
Jordan going for £60,000 is an absolute bargain. Again he likely available for most of the tournament.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on February 20, 2017, 10:18:20 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

Stokes is a the most ever for an overseas player, joining MS Dhonis team, so he's done well! I would assume they'd be favourites. (Along with Steve Smith, faf du plessis)

Mills was 1.4, played a few internationals for us, against India this last month which probably helped his value!, I don't follow the league so couldn't tell you much morr about him.

Soaked went for over a mill too.

Dhoni's team were 2nd bottom last year (had injuries to key players though). They are one of the newer franchises so they may have needed time to gel.

Miles has the best death bowling figures around the world in recent T20 franchise cricket. He joins a strong team though, with Gayle, ABDV, Watson and Starc the 4 overseas guns. He'll be available for the entire tournament, so that would have been a boost for his chances.

Surprised Woakes went for that much. He could be a direct replacement at KKR for Andre Russell, who's serving a drugs violation ban.

Jason Roy has just got picked up. He was good in the WT20 in India last year and is having a good PSL comp at the moment, but he joins a team with McCullum, Dw.Smith and Finch in their ranks so he may be a bench character.

Morgan's got similar issues, he joins Kings Xi who have Miller, Maxwell and Shaun Marsh in their top order so he may only be a bit-part player.

Never having heard of Mills just shows your ignorance of any cricket bar England test team. He played the last 3 T20 internationals that England played.
I've seen a fair bit of Mills play as he plays for Sussex, his slower ball is basically unpickable. Surprised by ho much he went for, but he is available for the whole tournament as only plays T20s. Also plays them all over the world, so quite experienced in them.
Jordan going for £60,000 is an absolute bargain. Again he likely available for most of the tournament.

It's true, I do only mostly care about English test cricket. Throw in the big T20 tournaments and that's it for me, no reason I would have heard of him otherwise. I would bet a fair few others have never heard of him also....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on February 21, 2017, 12:23:50 AM
hmmm, anyone into cricket has heard of Mills, destroyed Gayle in T20 season just gone,


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on February 21, 2017, 09:47:36 AM
hmmm, anyone into cricket has heard of Mills, destroyed Gayle in T20 season just gone,


BS I go to quite a few games every year, follow it in the news tv etc and consider myself a fairly big cricket fan, I just don't follow T20 in other parts of the world, and if he's only played a handful of T20's for England he'd be easy to miss.

I won't be the only one either, bet you some of the lads who come to games with me and 'follow cricket' have never heard of him either....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on February 21, 2017, 10:02:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_b2qDkQrg

If somebody could sort the links, cheers


EDIT - Link sorted.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_b2qDkQrg


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on February 21, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_b2qDkQrg

If somebody could sort the links, cheers

Obviously Not everyone is an expert and knows everything like you....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on February 21, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_b2qDkQrg

If somebody could sort the links, cheers

Obviously Not everyone is an expert and knows everything like you....

Whatever


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on February 21, 2017, 11:11:32 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 21, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on February 21, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)

Crikey.

Cricket has changed beyond recognition in the last 20 or 30 years.

Did this limited over stuff all begin with the John Player League & Gillette Cup back in the 70's?

Helmets? What them?




Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 21, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on February 21, 2017, 11:43:41 AM
1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.

1963? Jeez, never realised it was that long ago. The John Player League was hugely popular on BBC2 on Sunday afternoons as I recall.

190 off 60 overs? Crazy times. Boycott would not have excelled.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on February 21, 2017, 12:18:45 PM
1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.

What would be a good comparable score in 20 or 40 over cricket today if there were no fielding or bowling restrictions (perhaps one bouncer per over) and a legside ball wasn't called a wide?

130 and 275?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: samurai on February 21, 2017, 12:25:22 PM
One of my first cricketing memories was the 1979 world cup final and watching Brearley and Boycott plod along at about 3 runs an over in pursuit of the Windies 290 odd. Unsurprisingly once they were out the inevitable collapse took place as I'd imagine the run rate must have been astronomical!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 21, 2017, 12:27:19 PM
1963 Gillette Cup 60 overs a side

Players played it like a test. 190 off 60 overs was a good score and frequently won

Sunday John player cup from 68 i think, 40 overs a side

benson and hedges 55 overs then 50 overs a side around 1970?

an age that has gone now.

What would be a good comparable score in 20 or 40 over cricket today if there were no fielding or bowling restrictions (perhaps one bouncer per over) and a legside ball wasn't called a wide?

130 and 275?

and they played with a red ball? and no free hits etc

interesting questions. 150 and 275 maybe?

possibly higher. you also have to consider bat technology and player conditioning. the bats are bigger, you can edge for 6! the players are fitter, bigger and stronger too..though obviously that applies to bowlers as well

over and above that the unorthodox shot making would presumably find a way to adapt to no field restrictions etc


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on February 21, 2017, 12:49:59 PM
And let's not forget the first ever World Cup match in 1975 when, chasing England's 334 in 60 overs, India finished on 132-3 with Sunil Gavaskar scoring 36 not out from 174 balls.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: samurai on February 21, 2017, 12:55:59 PM
And let's not forget the first ever World Cup match in 1975 when, chasing England's 334 in 60 overs, India finished on 132-3 with Sunil Gavaskar scoring 36 not out from 174 balls.
Tony Greig let England down by going for 2.88 runs per over...


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 21, 2017, 12:57:36 PM
And let's not forget the first ever World Cup match in 1975 when, chasing England's 334 in 60 overs, India finished on 132-3 with Sunil Gavaskar scoring 36 not out from 174 balls.

It was printed in a local Indian newspaper that"England won but could not get Gavaskar's wicket."(in Hindi)

mainly due to outside leg stump bowling from the bowlers, which is considered wide in ODI these days but at 5-5 he couldn't reach a lot of the balls bowled


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on February 21, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
Tymal Mills is in line for £3431 a ball if he bowls 4 overs in every game (17 matches) he plays in the IPL.

Thats crazy money! Good luck to the lad!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on February 21, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)

It's pro rota, so will get £1.7 if he plays all the games, which is unlikely due to England 1 day schedule, but should be available for most of the games.
Mills only plays T20 so is available for all games.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on February 21, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
Ben Stokes £1.7 mill in the IPL  :o. Some other English bowler I've never heard of for £1.4 mill, Eoin Morgan £240k.....

How much of these sums - what % - goes to the player? Put another way, what will, say, Ben Stokes be paid for this gig?

£1.7m less agents fees

for someone like Mills, whose career was limited to T20 by his back injury, a life changer (and he's worked really hard on his T20 skills to make a career out of T20 only)

It's pro rota, so will get £1.7 if he plays all the games, which is unlikely due to England 1 day schedule, but should be available for most of the games.
Mills only plays T20 so is available for all games.


I'd assume mills would get Rested a little throughout the tournament. He's played quite a bit recently in New Zealand,  Australia and Pakistan franchise leagues as well as for England. You'd hope they'd be mindful and give him the odd game off. Apparently starc isn't available for rcb so he's there main weapon now, bowling at the chinnaswarmy (tiny boundaries) as his home ground will be a great learning curve for him.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on February 21, 2017, 04:13:10 PM
England have confirmed Stokes, Woakes and Buttler can miss Ireland series and return from IPL on May 14.

Morgan, Roy, Billings back May 1st

Mills and Jrdan available for the whole shebang


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on February 27, 2017, 01:58:16 PM
no its not meant to be damning

they just play more test cricket, are physically fitter/conditioned with great equipment playing on covered pitches that drain well. its a different game

he's 32 and has played 140 tests

lots of countries want to play england because of the revenue they bring, so England never rest

he could take off the odd winter tour, play for another 5 years and still hit 200 tests


top 10? off the top of my head

Bradman
Lara
Richards
Sachin
Compton
Hutton
G Chappell
Border
Hammond
Ponting

and i will have missed some

Cook isn't in the same postcode as any of those

He's in the same bracket as Gooch, boycott, Gower etc

Fair enough.  Pretty similar points of view to me then.  How high can Root get potentially on the all time list?  Not just runs (obviously he could get to number 1 on that list easily) but where does his style/flair on top of the runs put him potentially in that all time list if he carries on to 32/33 like Cook has.  He seems to have a great mental approach to the game/life so there is no reason to think he will go off the boil other than captaincy ruining him.


Surely Root is streets ahead in terms of talent.... just needs to prove himself over a decade or so which is never a given.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on March 05, 2017, 09:33:22 PM
i was very sceptical at first, and am happy to admit i was wrong!
But my what a seriously fine cricketer chris woakes has turned into!!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on March 06, 2017, 07:33:55 PM
India v Aus test series atm - Is that just highlighting ho ordinary Englands spin bowling is?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 07, 2017, 12:17:07 AM
India v Aus test series atm - Is that just highlighting ho ordinary Englands spin bowling is?

The pitches have been a fair bit more receptive, but they've certainly out-bowled Ali and Rashid so far.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 07, 2017, 01:39:02 AM
India v Aus test series atm - Is that just highlighting ho ordinary Englands spin bowling is?

The pitches have been a fair bit more receptive, but they've certainly out-bowled Ali and Rashid so far.

promising sign for the next batch coming through

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1085634.html


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on March 08, 2017, 09:12:13 AM
India v Aus test series atm - Is that just highlighting ho ordinary Englands spin bowling is?

The pitches have been a fair bit more receptive, but they've certainly out-bowled Ali and Rashid so far.

promising sign for the next batch coming through

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1085634.html

Yeah I saw that. O'Keefe and Lyon both ply their trade there too so McGill must be doing something right. England need to get more players into grade cricket in the winter.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on March 11, 2017, 06:13:08 PM
Herath just broke Vettori's record for most test wickets by a left arm spinner. Reckon he is a better bowler or just bowling on a load of helpful pitches?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on March 11, 2017, 06:56:18 PM
Herath just broke Vettori's record for most test wickets by a left arm spinner. Reckon he is a better bowler or just bowling on a load of helpful pitches?

Definitely the latter and it's not even close imo


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 11, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
Herath just broke Vettori's record for most test wickets by a left arm spinner. Reckon he is a better bowler or just bowling on a load of helpful pitches?

Definitely the latter and it's not even close imo

Vettori was quite a defensive bowler eh? Would be a far better white ball bowler. Can't compare tests as pitches are obviously polar opposites.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on March 11, 2017, 08:53:19 PM
Herath just seems to have been really underestimated for a long time. His record is excellent.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: muckthenuts on March 12, 2017, 02:08:37 AM
Brilliant but different bowlers. Vettori built pressure, Herath tries to take a wicket with every ball. This is a product of their respective environments where one played most of his cricket on greentops and the other on dustbowls. I'd pick Herath for tests and Vettori for ODI's.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on March 12, 2017, 02:00:03 PM
Brilliant but different bowlers. Vettori built pressure, Herath tries to take a wicket with every ball. This is a product of their respective environments where one played most of his cricket on greentops and the other on dustbowls. I'd pick Herath for tests and Vettori for ODI's.

I'm sure If Vettori had played 70% of his career on minefields in the sub continent then he would have takes stacks.
Like saying who's better, Lara or Tendulkar for the same reason. Lara wins hands down I think


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on March 19, 2017, 07:40:16 PM
Brilliant but different bowlers. Vettori built pressure, Herath tries to take a wicket with every ball. This is a product of their respective environments where one played most of his cricket on greentops and the other on dustbowls. I'd pick Herath for tests and Vettori for ODI's.

I'm sure If Vettori had played 70% of his career on minefields in the sub continent then he would have takes stacks.
Like saying who's better, Lara or Tendulkar for the same reason. Lara wins hands down I think

But Tendulkar scored all around the world too?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on March 20, 2017, 12:51:11 AM
Brilliant but different bowlers. Vettori built pressure, Herath tries to take a wicket with every ball. This is a product of their respective environments where one played most of his cricket on greentops and the other on dustbowls. I'd pick Herath for tests and Vettori for ODI's.

I'm sure If Vettori had played 70% of his career on minefields in the sub continent then he would have takes stacks.
Like saying who's better, Lara or Tendulkar for the same reason. Lara wins hands down I think

But Tendulkar scored all around the world too?

I've just had a look - Tendulkar averaged 53 at home in Tests and 55 away whereas Lara was 59 at home and 48 away, so it's Tendulkar who travels better - he averages more in both England and Australia than he does in India. I was surprised by this.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on March 20, 2017, 12:52:43 AM
Nice article in The Guardian about Haseeb Hameed.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/19/batman-begins-meet-haseeb-hameed-english-crickets-rising-star


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on April 08, 2017, 01:55:05 PM
Ben Stokes having a good inning right now in the IPL, SS3


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on April 09, 2017, 06:43:05 PM
Jos Buttler SS3 now...


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on April 09, 2017, 07:33:13 PM
Anyone seen this new leggie from Afghanistan?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on April 09, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
Anyone seen this new leggie from Afghanistan?

Yh I've seen him play for Afghanistan he's good but was suprised he got an ipl gig especially when imran Tahir wasn't picked up in auction,but he's started the ipl


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on April 09, 2017, 11:21:22 PM
Anyone seen this new leggie from Afghanistan?

Yh I've seen him play for Afghanistan he's good but was suprised he got an ipl gig especially when imran Tahir wasn't picked up in auction,but he's started the ipl

Afghan's have a good team, they will be a match against a weakened windies side this summer. Nabi hasn't got a gig yet for Sunrisers but he's a capable all-rounder as well. Shahzad the keeper-batsman is dangerous, and they're scrappers.

Tahir is/was ranked number 1 bowler in both ODi and T20I so it was very weird he didn't get picked up. His IPL record wasn't great though, but even still you think someone would have took a punt. RPSG got lucky.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on April 10, 2017, 06:21:07 AM
The difference between Tahir and the 18 year old leggie is that the boy is supposed to be an excellent fielder... something that Tahir is decidedly not :)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on April 12, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
The difference between Tahir and the 18 year old leggie is that the boy is supposed to be an excellent fielder... something that Tahir is decidedly not :)

Tahir isn't a good fielder but a wicket taker which is that you need in t20


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on June 29, 2017, 10:05:56 AM
Few injury doubts totting up for England's seamers. Jimmy been struggling, back playing now. Both Broad and Ball out of RL final. Woakes still injured from CT. That leaves Wood, who's always one game away from having an ankle injury. even Stokes has had injury niggles throughout the year.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on June 29, 2017, 08:50:40 PM
Few injury doubts totting up for England's seamers. Jimmy been struggling, back playing now. Both Broad and Ball out of RL final. Woakes still injured from CT. That leaves Wood, who's always one game away from having an ankle injury. even Stokes has had injury niggles throughout the year.

Sounds like broad might play on Saturday and thankfully Jimmy has had some game time before next week and wood Is actually fit for once,I think ball would have come into the equation too if he hadn't picked up his injury this week.Big question is who comes into the batting line up England obviously thinking about going back to ballance not sure that's a good idea after last year even with his form this season.
C


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on June 30, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
cricket back on terrestial

BBC get the T20 final, 10 matches and other stuff for 2020-24

skysports beat off BT to retain tests and ODIs


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on July 01, 2017, 02:28:54 PM
cricket back on terrestial

BBC get the T20 final, 10 matches and other stuff for 2020-24

skysports beat off BT to retain tests and ODIs

Nice to see hopefully it will have desired effect of getting people into the game they already have me on the hook


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on July 02, 2017, 11:51:11 AM
cricket back on terrestial

BBC get the T20 final, 10 matches and other stuff for 2020-24

skysports beat off BT to retain tests and ODIs

Nice to see hopefully it will have desired effect of getting people into the game they already have me on the hook

Nice....is the World cup included in this?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on July 02, 2017, 05:27:46 PM
cricket back on terrestial

BBC get the T20 final, 10 matches and other stuff for 2020-24

skysports beat off BT to retain tests and ODIs

Nice to see hopefully it will have desired effect of getting people into the game they already have me on the hook

Nice....is the World cup included in this?

No it isn't but BBC seem to get lots of digital content now


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: muckthenuts on July 06, 2017, 12:00:50 PM
Not just saying this because we're already 2 down, but I really don't understand the selection of Dawson. We already have 4 fast bowlers and a spinner so what does he bring to the side exactly? Why not select a batsman?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 06, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
i think its the 8th time in the last calendar year we've been 50-3 or worse first up.

still a couple of places to be cemented in the top six for me

cook
? jennings or whovever (stoneman?)
? ballance on his last chance this series (malan?)
root
bairstow
stokes
ali

could easily as said above pick another bat and put ali 8 and use ali/stokes as 4th/5th bowlers


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on July 06, 2017, 12:37:43 PM
i think its the 8th time in the last calendar year we've been 50-3 or worse first up.

still a couple of places to be cemented in the top six for me

cook
? jennings or whovever (stoneman?)
? ballance on his last chance this series (malan?)
root
bairstow
stokes
ali

could easily as said above pick another bat and put ali 8 and use ali/stokes as 4th/5th bowlers

From TMS twitter

In the last three years and in 64 innings, England have lost their third wicket for 55 runs or less 23 times.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on July 06, 2017, 01:10:37 PM
6 bowlers is over kill. Either Ali or Dawson can bowl some cheap overs of spin and bat 8. A better balance to the side would be gubbins / stoneman up top, jennings 3 and ballance down at 5 where he's been getting his runs.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on July 07, 2017, 02:43:31 AM
I don't like Ballance in the team, someone like Stoneman or Malan should probably be getting a chance.
Think Stokes should come in higher up the order. Batting stronger than bowling anyway and cannot see his knee problems going away. Should probably be used as a strike bowler, where he seems most effective anyway.
Agree about Dawson though, didn't need picking for this match


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on July 07, 2017, 02:57:50 PM
Think you have to pick Balllance if selectors want to show they value county cricket. he's averaged 100+ in div 1 cricket this year. The issue I had with Ballance is he's got those runs at 5, batted 4 for the Lions, throwing him in at 3 isn't the correct decision for either the team or for him personally. Dawson is a nothing selection for me (watch him take a 5-for now!) so I'd have picked a proper top-order batsman at 3 (Rocky or Gubbins but others have claims), Ballance to 5 etc etc. You still have 5 bowlers with Root as a 2nd spinner. Bairstow or Stokes down at 7 and Ali down at 8 is a bit of a luxury but we've been 3-30 so often in the past 24 months so it would be my way of going until we shore up that top order.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 08, 2017, 11:26:46 AM
I think having two genuine all rounders in Ali and Stokes means England can think outside the box a little bit.

Heard Atherton talking about Ben Foakes being the 'best wicket-keeper in the world'. No-one could argue that Bairstow is a genuine test batsman who would more than get into the team as a specialist. I think his technique and ability to be flexible in the way he approaches batting makes him an ideal #3. Can dig in, can accelerate, good against both pace and spin........ just a tremendous batsman.

What about dropping Dawson for the 'best wicket-keeper in the world' ( not seen too much of him personally but Atherton is a pretty shred journalist in my opinion) and playing YJB as a specialist batsmen at 3, Ballance at 5, Stokes 6, Ali 7. Think the team would be far better balanced?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 09, 2017, 05:38:11 PM
14 wickets to spin for England,10 for Moeen

14 matches a record stretching back to 1972

win the toss on a dry pitch,make a score and let the pitch do the rest


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on July 11, 2017, 04:11:42 AM
I think having two genuine all rounders in Ali and Stokes means England can think outside the box a little bit.

Heard Atherton talking about Ben Foakes being the 'best wicket-keeper in the world'. No-one could argue that Bairstow is a genuine test batsman who would more than get into the team as a specialist. I think his technique and ability to be flexible in the way he approaches batting makes him an ideal #3. Can dig in, can accelerate, good against both pace and spin........ just a tremendous batsman.

What about dropping Dawson for the 'best wicket-keeper in the world' ( not seen too much of him personally but Atherton is a pretty shred journalist in my opinion) and playing YJB as a specialist batsmen at 3, Ballance at 5, Stokes 6, Ali 7. Think the team would be far better balanced?

This.....

Not too sure about Balance though.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: KarmaDope on July 11, 2017, 10:04:25 PM
I originally thought that with Rabada banned, then Morris would come in and take his place and that would be it.

Then I saw this somewhere else:

"Rabada can't play, which means Phehlukwayo must come into the team to have 2 African players. This puts SA short of a strike bowler, which means either Morris or Olivier also has to come in, with either of Kuhn or De Bruyn, having to drop out.

Faftastic will rejoin the team which means both of the 2 mentioned above drops out, leaving you with the predicament of who will open with Elgar. In all likelihood it will be De Kock, which is non-ideal because of his keeping responsibility.

Also because of the great quota policy that useless Duminy gets to keep his place in the team."


I'm wondering if there could be an angle here for a bet. If De Kock does open, and goes off like he did in the second innings at Lords, could he be worth a tinkle at 6/1 for Top SA Bat 2nd Test?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on July 11, 2017, 10:38:21 PM
I originally thought that with Rabada banned, then Morris would come in and take his place and that would be it.

Then I saw this somewhere else:

"Rabada can't play, which means Phehlukwayo must come into the team to have 2 African players. This puts SA short of a strike bowler, which means either Morris or Olivier also has to come in, with either of Kuhn or De Bruyn, having to drop out.

Faftastic will rejoin the team which means both of the 2 mentioned above drops out, leaving you with the predicament of who will open with Elgar. In all likelihood it will be De Kock, which is non-ideal because of his keeping responsibility.

Also because of the great quota policy that useless Duminy gets to keep his place in the team."


I'm wondering if there could be an angle here for a bet. If De Kock does open, and goes off like he did in the second innings at Lords, could he be worth a tinkle at 6/1 for Top SA Bat 2nd Test?

Interesting angle. Certainly in limited overs cricket getting wind of a middle order batsman who's likely to open often means a good value price, not sure if that transfers to test cricket.

De Kock has opened in 1 test match so far, making 50's in both innings and winning the MOTM award (his only MOTM in 20 tests) so that alone would make me have a go at the 6/1 i reckon, and probably have a dart at the MOTM if the odds were big enough.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: gherkin on July 20, 2017, 12:41:45 PM
Team for the next test:
Cook, Jennings, Westley, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen, Dawson/Malan, Broad, Anderson, Wood/Roland-Jones

Great that Westley has been given a chance.  Would have preferred Stoneman over Jennings but can see the logic behind giving him 1 or 2 more tests so no problem with that decision.  No idea how Malan gets picked ahead of Sam Robson.  Finally, what the fuck is Dawson still doing in the squad... either pick Rashid or play the extra batsman


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 20, 2017, 12:49:27 PM
have to play the extra batsman (even if it is the expansive malan)

4 seamers plus moeen is fine.

dawson is aluxury we can't afford


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on July 20, 2017, 12:49:39 PM
Team for the next test:
Cook, Jennings, Westley, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen, Dawson/Malan, Broad, Anderson, Wood/Roland-Jones

Great that Westley has been given a chance.  Would have preferred Stoneman over Jennings but can see the logic behind giving him 1 or 2 more tests so no problem with that decision.  No idea how Malan gets picked ahead of Sam Robson.  Finally, what the fuck is Dawson still doing in the squad... either pick Rashid or play the extra batsman

Welcome back, it's been way too long since you last posted.

Post more please.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: gherkin on July 20, 2017, 04:14:51 PM
have to play the extra batsman (even if it is the expansive malan)

4 seamers plus moeen is fine.

dawson is aluxury we can't afford

I agree...  No idea why Bayliss is so insistent that playing the extra batsman is a luxury that takes away responsibility from the top 6.  It adds a lot more value to this team than a half decent bowler that can bat a bit - can always use Root for a few overs a game if needs be (and more often than not he won't be needed).  Stokes at 7, Ali at 8 and Woakes (when fit) at 9 makes for a very strong lower-middle order and all are good enough as part of a 5 man attack. 

Welcome back, it's been way too long since you last posted.

Post more please.

Thanks - i'll certainly try!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on July 20, 2017, 07:55:42 PM
have to play the extra batsman (even if it is the expansive malan)

4 seamers plus moeen is fine.

dawson is aluxury we can't afford

I agree...  No idea why Bayliss is so insistent that playing the extra batsman is a luxury that takes away responsibility from the top 6.  It adds a lot more value to this team than a half decent bowler that can bat a bit - can always use Root for a few overs a game if needs be (and more often than not he won't be needed).  Stokes at 7, Ali at 8 and Woakes (when fit) at 9 makes for a very strong lower-middle order and all are good enough as part of a 5 man attack. 

Welcome back, it's been way too long since you last posted.

Post more please.

Thanks - i'll certainly try!

Westley bowls off spin hasn't bowled as much in the last 18 months as he used do so root doesn't need to bowl,I know what bayliss is trying to say is basically the top 7 should be doing much better and Ali really is a bit too good to bat at 8 but for the moment it's way forward playing the extra batter I personally wouldn't have chosen malan


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2017, 08:34:05 AM
tomorrow the 100th test here

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFm13ftXsAEQPbR.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
Cricket is on the verge of making its application for Olympic inclusion.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/25/cricket-on-verge-making-application-olympic-inclusion?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: England Test Summer chat
Post by: rinswun on July 28, 2017, 06:15:12 PM
I was friends at school with Toby's older brother, Olly, an excellent cricketer in his own right. Toby was a three years below us.

On leaving school, a group of us established a decent standard but very much social cricket team - the Village XI. Olly used to turn up semi regularly and one day, when we were scratching around for numbers, we asked him to bring his bro and he duly obiliged. On arriving at the ground, turned out we had 12 players so young Toby was relegated to 12th man duties. Incredible to think he could go from Village XI 12th man to Test crricketer in a few short years.

Clearly our youth system doing its job!  :D

The boy done good today! Very much your classic line and lengther.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 29, 2017, 04:18:50 PM
You'd never see footballers doing this...

Stuart Broad

#morningcommute #london Off to the Test! 🏏🚃


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: sherwyn on July 30, 2017, 10:04:10 AM
Hope the rain continues... SA under pressure in this test.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 31, 2017, 02:23:57 PM
aggers gets boycott

a very good wind up!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05b5j5t


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on July 31, 2017, 04:45:06 PM
aggers gets boycott

a very good wind up!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05b5j5t

;)

Like a bunch of school kids who have been naughty.

Love Aggers, love TMS.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on July 31, 2017, 11:50:19 PM
"You've invited me under false pretences "

Brilliant  ;D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Longy on August 01, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
aggers gets boycott

a very good wind up!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05b5j5t

Listened to this a couple of times, very funny. Aggers and Andrew (the scorer) play their roles excellently.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: sherwyn on August 04, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Feel like we(SA) going to get pummelled again.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on August 04, 2017, 07:57:34 PM
The Bairstow not out on review was scandalous. Mistakes happen all time, I'm comfortable with that. This was a strange and poor one though.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 06, 2017, 10:02:26 AM
superb picture from yesterday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGd2l-RXUAAJMLG.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2017, 08:25:47 AM
MoeenAli becomes the first player EVER to score 250+ runs and take 25+ wickets in a 4 match series


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on August 08, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
What are peoples views on team for next test?
For me Malan comes out, Stokes, Bairstow and Ali all move up a place and Woakes comes back in at 8
Also drop Jennings, with a view for him to get back in the runs at County, probably give Stoneman his chance at 2


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2017, 04:46:42 PM
Hales at 5

v the west indies, in great form, pick him while he is hot

stoneman to open

trying to find numbers 2,3,5 to go with cook, root for the ashes

--

cook
stoneman
westley (worth sticking with)
root
hales
stokes
bairstow
ali
three of woakes/roland jones/broad/anderson depending who you want to rest/rotate

don't think you need 8 batters and especially not against the WI but can see we will go that way at Brisbane etc so stick with it i expect


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: KarmaDope on August 08, 2017, 08:26:23 PM
Is it weird that I'd go with Rory Burns over his opening partner Stoneman?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
Such a shame that Hameed has lost his way at Lancs. He looked to have the temperament and technique for test cricket but can't buy a run at the moment.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on August 08, 2017, 10:49:37 PM
Hameed made his first FC fifty this season yesterday. Still not enough to get back in though. I agree with Tighty's team, with preference for Woakes/Broad/Jimmy as the seamer's


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on August 09, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
I just hope we don't go back to Dawson. Patently obvious that Mooen is more than sufficient as a number 1 spinner. How has Duckett progressed this summer?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 09, 2017, 09:56:19 AM
Hales at 5

v the west indies, in great form, pick him while he is hot

stoneman to open

trying to find numbers 2,3,5 to go with cook, root for the ashes

--

cook
stoneman
westley (worth sticking with)
root
hales
stokes
bairstow
ali
three of woakes/roland jones/broad/anderson depending who you want to rest/rotate

don't think you need 8 batters and especially not against the WI but can see we will go that way at Brisbane etc so stick with it i expect

Has Hales addressed the issues he had in his first run in the team as an opener. The danger of course is he gets runs vs the considerably weaker WI attack and then comes unstuck against the talented pace attack of the Aussies in the Winter.

Having said that, there aren't many people screaming out for selection. I still like Atherton's idea of playing Bairstow as a specialist batsmen at 5 and bringing in Foakes as a specialist keeper. With Moeen and Stokes genuine world class all-rounders, I feel we can afford that luxury.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on August 09, 2017, 10:30:07 AM
Hales at 5

v the west indies, in great form, pick him while he is hot

stoneman to open

trying to find numbers 2,3,5 to go with cook, root for the ashes

--

cook
stoneman
westley (worth sticking with)
root
hales
stokes
bairstow
ali
three of woakes/roland jones/broad/anderson depending who you want to rest/rotate

don't think you need 8 batters and especially not against the WI but can see we will go that way at Brisbane etc so stick with it i expect

Has Hales addressed the issues he had in his first run in the team as an opener. The danger of course is he gets runs vs the considerably weaker WI attack and then comes unstuck against the talented pace attack of the Aussies in the Winter.

Having said that, there aren't many people screaming out for selection. I still like Atherton's idea of playing Bairstow as a specialist batsmen at 5 and bringing in Foakes as a specialist keeper. With Moeen and Stokes genuine world class all-rounders, I feel we can afford that luxury.

going in 5 as opposed to facing the new ball will be a lot easier for Hales. On paper 5-8 of Hales, Stokes, Bairstow and Ali looks ideal to take the game away from teams, but the way the top order has gone Hales will be joining Root at the crease with us 30-3!

Bairstow now into the top 10 batsman in ICC world rankings, so moving him to 5 and giving someone else the gloves would be fine also.

Duckett - averaging a bit less than 40 in Div 2 isn't going to get him noticed really. I would see him as someone who'll be in and around our white-ball squads for now, not tests.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 18, 2017, 08:05:21 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdIcKiXgAAIyNJ.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdPT9IXUAAzpLA.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 21, 2017, 08:20:03 AM
The tale of two West Indies Test XIs http://es.pn/2v46sdJ

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHsPrsuVwAAcKox.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on August 21, 2017, 09:09:30 AM
Jofra Archer is a hell of a player. Will be a fixture in the England team from 2020 onwards I reckon. Replaces Broad full time when he finally hangs them up.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on August 21, 2017, 08:46:39 PM
Jofra Archer is a hell of a player. Will be a fixture in the England team from 2020 onwards I reckon. Replaces Broad full time when he finally hangs them up.

Couple of coaches I have spoken to around Sussex have said he is already on their radar and they are keen to get him in the England team before the Windies do


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on August 21, 2017, 08:56:35 PM
Jofra Archer is a hell of a player. Will be a fixture in the England team from 2020 onwards I reckon. Replaces Broad full time when he finally hangs them up.

Couple of coaches I have spoken to around Sussex have said he is already on their radar and they are keen to get him in the England team before the Windies do

Plus he can bat too very easy looking pace too heard the story the other day how Sussex come across him by accident


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on August 21, 2017, 09:01:33 PM
How many of the ciurrent West Indies team would get into the XI if everyone was available?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on August 21, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
How many of the ciurrent West Indies team would get into the XI if everyone was available?

Chase, Gabrial and maybe Roach?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on August 25, 2017, 10:38:55 AM
So sad to see both the West Indies and Sri Lanka play so poorly.

With the administration of the game in both situations, improvement does not seem likely in the near future.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 26, 2017, 08:22:44 AM
19 times in 65 innings in the last 3 years England have been at least 3 down for 50 runs


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on August 26, 2017, 08:52:39 PM
Today's play was... Interesting. Did not see that coming.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TheDazzler on August 26, 2017, 11:01:19 PM
I like to watch cricket by wouldn't have any great knowledge. Is 2/1 the Windies not a very good price? Should they not be favs at this point?
https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/england-v-west-indies/2nd-test/winner


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 27, 2017, 08:44:14 AM
we've discovered one batsman in 5 years

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIJVyiJXcAUmnqa.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: 77dave on August 27, 2017, 10:43:08 PM
Meanwhile Australia are 18-3 against Bangladesh


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on August 27, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
we've discovered one batsman in 5 years

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIJVyiJXcAUmnqa.jpg)

Shocking that isn't it to be fair borthwick was picked a bowler at the time,nobody has nailed the batting places available to me root should be batting at 3.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tommo on August 28, 2017, 02:38:01 AM
we've discovered one batsman in 5 years

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIJVyiJXcAUmnqa.jpg)

Shocking that isn't it to be fair borthwick was picked a bowler at the time,nobody has nailed the batting places available to me root should be batting at 3.

I am a Yorkshireman and a huge Root fan and I also think he should bat at 3, I know he prefers to bat at 4 but the best thing for the team has to be him coming in at number 3.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 28, 2017, 10:39:28 AM
At worcester,R Ashwin ismaking his debut

guess what sort of pitch he rocked up to?

yup

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DITofYrWAAENIcg.jpg)

Worcester win the toss and bat. Funny that


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 29, 2017, 04:54:46 PM

If you are not already watching, turn on the Test match. Great game in progress.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 29, 2017, 04:56:01 PM

If these two can knock the runs off, the tabloid punster headline writers will have a field day with Chase and Hope. 😎


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 29, 2017, 05:24:47 PM

Chase out, but Hope remains.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 29, 2017, 05:38:22 PM

Jeez, Blackwood lost the plot completely that over.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 29, 2017, 05:50:28 PM

Not sure if Blackwood is a genius, or an idiot.

The new ball was taken and given to Jimmy Anderson. Very first ball, Blackwood knocks it straight back over Anderson's head for six......


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 29, 2017, 06:04:31 PM

They don't hang about on Wiki.

Within a minute of Hope scoring his century, Wiki noted......


"On the 29th August 2017 Hope became the first batsmen to score a century in each innings at Headingley in a First Class game, in a test victory against England.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shai_Hope


A little early to say this though.....

in a test victory against England



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 29, 2017, 06:46:16 PM

Oh my, oh my.

Seen in context, that was sport at its finest.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on August 29, 2017, 07:34:02 PM

Oh my, oh my.

Seen in context, that was sport at its finest.

Well deserved victory,typical England though good the bad usually followed by another good one


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 30, 2017, 08:20:06 AM
The year is 2037

"...of course, we haven't seen an attacking declaration from Joe Root since that Headingley Test of 2017..."


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on August 30, 2017, 08:55:52 AM
And now Bangladesh turn over Australia in another thriller.

The supposed corpse of Test cricket twitches.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 30, 2017, 10:40:04 AM
Bangladesh Test cricket: maiden wins over three teams!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIdwFLKVYAIPDsN.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 20, 2017, 09:31:46 AM
I never watched yesterday's game, but I'm curious as to "what if?".

Bairstow was on exactly 100 not out, & then Stokes thrashed a 6 to end the game.

Did Stokes have the chance to end the game when Bairstow was on 97? If he did, would he have taken it, & denied Bairstow his 100?

The game was dead by then, of course.

I'm just curious if Stokes would have deliberately spurned easy runs to allow Bairstow to get the ton.  



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 20, 2017, 09:41:31 AM
Stokes actually smashed a six with about 10-12 runs to go and then got a single to give Bairstow the strike when he was on 97. It was probably a case of 'there you go son nows your chance', I reckon if he got the strike back he might block out a couple to end an over or get a single to give Bairstow the strike but I doubt he would mess around forever. Thing is in last nights game they were so far ahead it didn't really matter, in a tighter game they would just go for the win and not even give the century a second thought.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 20, 2017, 09:51:52 AM

I see Samuels was caught behind off Stokes bowling.

Were there any "afters"?


(http://i.imgur.com/SpZmUMh.jpg) (https://imgur.com/SpZmUMh)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on September 20, 2017, 10:05:01 PM
I never watched yesterday's game, but I'm curious as to "what if?".

Bairstow was on exactly 100 not out, & then Stokes thrashed a 6 to end the game.

Did Stokes have the chance to end the game when Bairstow was on 97? If he did, would he have taken it, & denied Bairstow his 100?

The game was dead by then, of course.

I'm just curious if Stokes would have deliberately spurned easy runs to allow Bairstow to get the ton.  



No-one has done that kind of craic since Thorpe robbed Alex Tudor of a ton as a nightwatchman  :o

Another fav of mine was Athers declaring with Hick on 98* in an Ashes test down under :-)

No afters from Stokes when he got Samuels this time ... on his best behaviour


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on September 26, 2017, 01:04:43 PM
ECB confirm stokes arrested in early hours of Monday morning. Hales helping police with enquiries

Stokes misses last two ODI v WI with hand injury.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 26, 2017, 01:21:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKph-ZLWAAESMeO.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 26, 2017, 01:24:00 PM

Ugh. Just when everything was going so well.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 26, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
Ashes squad announced tomorrow

i will take a crack at it

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings

Root
Malan
Vince (only because it has been leaked)
Ballance

Stokes

Bairstow
Foakes

Ali
Crane

Anderson
Broad
Woakes
Wood (if fit)
Plunkett

(TRJ assume not fit)


positions 2,3,5 still terrifying.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 26, 2017, 01:32:37 PM
I’d put Hales in for the weakest one you are worried about there.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 26, 2017, 01:52:43 PM

If Stokes were to be charged with some offence, and bailed to appear in court in, say, December, would he still be selected for the Ashes tour?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on September 26, 2017, 07:21:54 PM

If Stokes were to be charged with some offence, and bailed to appear in court in, say, December, would he still be selected for the Ashes tour?

The way Warne flies constantly back and forth (like a taxi)...I suppose missing for a few days would be quite doable and necessary  :)

....and stolen from twitter :D


Someone should've told Ben Stokes it isn't compulsory to have a criminal record to get into Australia these days


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on September 26, 2017, 08:06:53 PM
No idea what vince has done to get a recall like, and Ballance will be fodder on those pitches with extra bounce. 3 and 5 look like worrying spots, and given the ball doesn't swing much out there our bowling is very "samey". If they have any bowlers fit I expect a damn good thrashing!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on September 26, 2017, 08:38:27 PM
No idea what vince has done to get a recall like, and Ballance will be fodder on those pitches with extra bounce. 3 and 5 look like worrying spots, and given the ball doesn't swing much out there our bowling is very "samey". If they have any bowlers fit I expect a damn good thrashing!

As a Hampshire/Vince fan, he hasn't really done anything to justify a recall to test cricket although his T20 form has been good.

IF he gets the call, maybe its just a lack of stand out alternatives....and a second chance to an unfulfilled talent?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Longy on September 26, 2017, 10:01:43 PM
The Lions are touring Australia at the same time, would not be surprised to see one of those players end up playing in the Ashes. Mason Crane feels like a good candidate for that, especially given the winter he had playing grade cricket last year.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 26, 2017, 10:02:25 PM
Leaked again: Root, Cook, Stoneman, Malan, Ballance, Vince, Moeen, Crane, Foakes, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Ball, Overton.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on September 26, 2017, 10:21:40 PM
Australia big favs for the Ashes imo. Batting looks very light. Bowling too similar. Pace and bounce needed in Aus.  A Plunkett type of bowler would have been ideal, but he already knew he wasn't getting picked and is concentrating on limited overs, has already signed T20 contract elsewhere.

Would have Crane either with Lions or back playing grade cricket. Absolutely no point in someone his age being waterboy for two months.

Looks like Vince is in due to how poor the batting has been, gonna be a long winter tour


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on September 27, 2017, 07:02:10 AM
Would love to see them take a shot on Hamed - started to look more like his old self towards the end of the season and has the temperament to be the long term successor to Strauss we have been searching for.

Also think our woes at 5 would be resolved by moving Bairstow there and bringing in Foakes ( who is also no slouch with the bat - look at his first class average!). He is an outstanding gloveman and with no disrespect to Bairstow would add value in that aspect. Bairstow is more than good enough to bat at 5 as a specialist batsman and would bolster our betting slightly.

A middle order of Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen, Foakes, Woakes would be sensational!

Who bats at 3?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 27, 2017, 08:59:31 AM
Haeed has one main shot,the forward prop.

he'd get broken in australia on hard bouncy pitches, fingers, ribs the lot.

going to be a good player but needs to be more of an all courter before he is sent to open in Australia


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 27, 2017, 09:06:39 AM
Hameed is injured I think so not in contention....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 27, 2017, 09:12:01 AM

The media chatter suggests that Ben Stokes injured his hand in that Bristol melee, & that he has already had an x-ray to assess the damage.

We have no idea at this stage if Stokes has any guilt in the matter, but one thing we can be sure of is that Stokes must be feeling pretty dreadful right now. His Ashes tour, as well as his career, may be hanging in the balance.

Interesting how a small subset of extremely gifted sportsmen always seem to have that streak of mischief & malfeasance in them.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 27, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
Hameed is injured I think so not in contention....

broken finger on a spicy pitch.funny that.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on September 27, 2017, 11:55:03 AM
Would love to see them take a shot on Hamed - started to look more like his old self towards the end of the season and has the temperament to be the long term successor to Strauss we have been searching for.

Also think our woes at 5 would be resolved by moving Bairstow there and bringing in Foakes ( who is also no slouch with the bat - look at his first class average!). He is an outstanding gloveman and with no disrespect to Bairstow would add value in that aspect. Bairstow is more than good enough to bat at 5 as a specialist batsman and would bolster our betting slightly.

A middle order of Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen, Foakes, Woakes would be sensational!

Who bats at 3?

I like the idea of moving Bairstow up to 5 and playing him as a batsman.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on September 27, 2017, 02:00:10 PM
Tighty - where do you stand on the Root at #3 debate?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 27, 2017, 02:26:34 PM
Root 3 bairstow 5 foakes 7 for me. Stokes at 6. That looks a stonger team than one with vince AND Malan to me. Argument against is root will often be in within half an hour batting three, against the new ball but i reckon he often will be at 4 in this team anyway!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 27, 2017, 04:55:21 PM
Roots agent speaks. I do dislike Vaughan peddling pr while meant to be an unbiased commentator though


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on September 27, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
I think Root at 3 for me.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on September 27, 2017, 10:31:11 PM
Roots agent speaks. I do dislike Vaughan peddling pr while meant to be an unbiased commentator though

Also same company as Vince ... thinks he should bat 3 because he can put a half volley away. Good luck getting any of them off Hazlewood  ::)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: 77dave on September 27, 2017, 11:09:22 PM
Amazing so many have decided the result of he Ashes but nobody mentions the abilities of the Australian team even on home soil.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ant040689 on September 28, 2017, 12:54:13 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/cricket/4563431/ben-stokes-england-axe-shocking-video-street-punch#


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 28, 2017, 12:58:31 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/cricket/4563431/ben-stokes-england-axe-shocking-video-street-punch#

Even more reason to keep him in to scare the Aussies  :D

Get him in the ring with Warner  rotflmfao


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on September 28, 2017, 07:22:37 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/cricket/4563431/ben-stokes-england-axe-shocking-video-street-punch#

First part is " defensible".... I suggest he's got a problem with the ongoing fight and finally hitting someone with their hands down .


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on September 28, 2017, 07:33:32 AM
Oh wow, he's going down. That's affray. They must have paid a fortune for that video, Stokes will be sued to high heaven. I can't see how he can say that's self defence.

Gonna cost him six figures in pay-offs, lawyers and lost earnings. I bet so many of his opponents are loving it because he's a dick to most of them constantly.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 28, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwj0wIX0AAZs2U.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 28, 2017, 09:19:54 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwvl9hXUAASBMI.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 28, 2017, 09:21:14 AM

I was so looking forward to seeing Stokes square up to the Aussies, but it's looking doubtful now. Bugger bugger bugger.

Selfishly perhaps, but I hope he gets away with it.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ant040689 on September 28, 2017, 09:26:19 AM
Perhaps playing devils advocate but something else to perhaps consider.

Hales apparently was one of the men in the video, and according to some albeit iffy sources, allegedly, he may have been the guy that had two punts at that bloke's head on the floor. Which imo is worse than all of what Stokes did.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Skippy on September 28, 2017, 09:54:11 AM
Perhaps playing devils advocate but something else to perhaps consider.

Hales apparently was one of the men in the video, and according to some albeit iffy sources, allegedly, he may have been the guy that had two punts at that bloke's head on the floor. Which imo is worse than all of what Stokes did.

It's him alright. Look at his terrible trainers :-).

Wasn't the bloke on the floor holding onto Stokes at the time though? Also you can see the bottle. I don't think anyone's decision making was at a high level though.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 28, 2017, 10:23:02 AM
Perhaps playing devils advocate but something else to perhaps consider.

Hales apparently was one of the men in the video, and according to some albeit iffy sources, allegedly, he may have been the guy that had two punts at that bloke's head on the floor. Which imo is worse than all of what Stokes did.

It's him alright. Look at his terrible trainers :-).

Wasn't the bloke on the floor holding onto Stokes at the time though? Also you can see the bottle. I don't think anyone's decision making was at a high level though.

For sure, he's gonna need a good legal team onside.

If the Court Case can be delayed, by fair means or foul, could he still go to Australia? Don't think the ECB can punish him until proven guilty, can they?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 28, 2017, 10:56:51 AM
KP shit stirring, obviously doesn't think much of Hales.

'How are they reporting that Alex Hales is trying to be the peace maker here?
He REPEATEDLY KICKS the guy in the head on the ground?!
He should come out of this worse IMO!'


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 28, 2017, 11:24:01 AM
Stokes has told friends: 'The guy had a bottle in his hand & was threatening us, was I supposed to wait until he smashed it in my face?'


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 28, 2017, 11:28:10 AM
 Ben Stokes intervened to help two gay guys who were being abused by yobs, one of whom was armed with a bottle.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 28, 2017, 03:55:25 PM
BREAKING: Ben Stokes to be re-interviewed by Avon & Somerset police under caution, in next few days.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 28, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
Both players suspended from international cricket until further notice......  ;frustrated;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 29, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
He’s fucked now.....  :o :o

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4929800/Shocking-footage-shows-Ben-Stokes-foul-mouthed-outburst.html


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on September 29, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
He’s fucked now.....  :o :o

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4929800/Shocking-footage-shows-Ben-Stokes-foul-mouthed-outburst.html

How can we tell if he is laughing with Harvey or taking the piss?    All he appears to be doing is repeating what Harvey said.  Sure half a dozen people repeated it to me soon after, and I didn't think any of them were having a go at Harvey.  Dare say the Mail repeated it too...


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 29, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
We all say things privately for a laugh or to shock that, if shown to a wider audience, would be pretty much indefensible. I might ban him for being grossly stupid and filming it


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 29, 2017, 07:35:54 PM
Well I don’t give a shit either way, I selfishly want him to play come hell or high water. I’m certainly not innocent either when it comes to saying piss poor stuff for a bit of banter.

I was pretty sure the professional offence takers would be all over it like a rash, time will tell I guess.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on September 30, 2017, 10:43:37 AM
Anyone know when the Lions squad is selected? All I can see on the ECB site is past squads/fixtures


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 30, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
Anyone know when the Lions squad is selected? All I can see on the ECB site is past squads/fixtures


Pretty sure I read somewhere that it will be announced on Monday.

PS - the ECB website is not great, is it?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on September 30, 2017, 07:08:16 PM
Anyone know when the Lions squad is selected? All I can see on the ECB site is past squads/fixtures


Pretty sure I read somewhere that it will be announced on Monday.

PS - the ECB website is not great, is it?

Cheers Tikay

No the ECB site isn't very good.
I'm a bit of a stats geek for cricket and cricinfo is great for that, but ECB really should sort out their online stuff. Went on their twitetr page this morning and saw a ginger player on front pic and thought 'fk me that's bold of them having Stokes on the front', then realised it was Bairstow from last nights game :)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 30, 2017, 07:17:23 PM
Anyone know when the Lions squad is selected? All I can see on the ECB site is past squads/fixtures


Pretty sure I read somewhere that it will be announced on Monday.

PS - the ECB website is not great, is it?

Cheers Tikay

No the ECB site isn't very good.
I'm a bit of a stats geek for cricket and cricinfo is great for that, but ECB really should sort out their online stuff. Went on their twitetr page this morning and saw a ginger player on front pic and thought 'fk me that's bold of them having Stokes on the front', then realised it was Bairstow from last nights game :)

I now gather it will be Wednesday.

Let's agree on "soon".

Really, that sort of info should be easily available on the ECB site. It really is dreadful.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on October 03, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Would like to have seen Archer get a call up but is ineligible for 5 more years


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on October 06, 2017, 12:53:29 PM
Steven Finn has been added to England's Ashes squad. Ben Stokes won't travel "at this stage". More to follow


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on October 06, 2017, 12:53:59 PM
Stokes retains central contact and further decision on his availability for Australia will be taken at a later date


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on October 28, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
Ben Stokes praised by couple ‘after defending them from homophobic thugs’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4784329/ben-stokes-praised-by-gay-couple-after-defending-them-from-homophobic-thugs


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on October 28, 2017, 01:51:54 PM
Ben Stokes praised by couple ‘after defending them from homophobic thugs’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4784329/ben-stokes-praised-by-gay-couple-after-defending-them-from-homophobic-thugs

This was mentioned quite soon after, but I'm not sure it makes much difference, in the eyes of the law.

A couple of years ago ,the brother of someone I used to work with , was in a fight against a friend outside a pub, and one punch he threw, tragically killed his friend.
The defendant also broke a bone in his hand....which the judge mentioned as evidence that real force was used.
Interestingly, he appealed his 5 year manslaughter sentence, on the basis that a video of him fighting with a friend should not have been included in evidence.
He lost that appeal.

I can't see how Stokes will not be prosecuted, and receive a fine/ small community sentence.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 01, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
Squad newly arrived at the WACA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNh8k1CWAAAYKLx.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Skippy on November 01, 2017, 08:32:09 AM
Squad newly arrived at the WACA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNh8k1CWAAAYKLx.jpg)

If you're good at cricket, you get a seat. Everyone else has to stand.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Skippy on November 01, 2017, 08:32:44 AM
Ben Stokes praised by couple ‘after defending them from homophobic thugs’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4784329/ben-stokes-praised-by-gay-couple-after-defending-them-from-homophobic-thugs

This is more the Sun saying "don't blame us for losing the Ashes".


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 01, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Ben Stokes praised by couple ‘after defending them from homophobic thugs’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4784329/ben-stokes-praised-by-gay-couple-after-defending-them-from-homophobic-thugs

This is more the Sun saying "don't blame us for losing the Ashes".

On which note, any news or whispers as to how the Stokes case is developing?

I so want him to be there for the Ashes.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 01, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
Squad newly arrived at the WACA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNh8k1CWAAAYKLx.jpg)

If you're good at cricket, you get a seat. Everyone else has to stand.

Swap woakes and Finn and you're about bang on!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: baldock92 on November 01, 2017, 04:08:10 PM
England got a good chance overall? I've got tickets for the Adelaide test but don't follow cricket tbh.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 05, 2017, 10:13:49 AM
Your weekend reading sorted... ➡️ http://ow.ly/x4ZD30glM7A

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNx0T3NXUAAZ9O6.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 05, 2017, 08:08:26 PM
England got a good chance overall? I've got tickets for the Adelaide test but don't follow cricket tbh.

very jealous, its a great stadium by all accounts and the atmosphere will be electric

englands chances?

i would say im generally a very optimistic england fan. I think the series comes down to cook and root, both or one of them needs to emulate what cook did in 2010/11.
i think the bowling will go fine, as their batting can massively rely on smith and warner. and the middle order of Jonny B and Ali (stokes maybe) will score runs. It comes down to how the fragile top 5 plays starc. He can leak runs and often sprays it around a bit

what do we think the side will be for the Gabba? i have a horrible feeling that they will go with Ballance

My side would be.... (assuming Stokes is not there)

Cook
Stoneman
Vince (scored runs in the warm up and plays well off the back foot, plus lengthens the order with root staying at 4)
Root (c)
Malan
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Ball
Broad
Anderson


If Stokes was there I would swap him for Malan and Foakes comes in to keep instead of ball

Thoughts?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on November 07, 2017, 09:36:17 AM
Steven Finn will miss the remainder of England’s tour of Australia after scans revealed that he has a torn left knee cartilage.
 
The Middlesex seamer sustained the injury during practice last week in Perth and will now return to the UK in the 48 hours where he will meet a knee specialist to ascertain whether he will have an operation.
 
England will announce his replacement for the rest of the tour in due course.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 07, 2017, 09:39:46 AM
Good news imo! Think he's useless!

Replacements? Plunkett surely? Adds something on Aussie wickets


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on November 07, 2017, 04:14:31 PM
Good news imo! Think he's useless!

Replacements? Plunkett surely? Adds something on Aussie wickets

They have gone with Tom Curran.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on November 07, 2017, 11:58:17 PM
Good news imo! Think he's useless!

Replacements? Plunkett surely? Adds something on Aussie wickets

They have gone with Tom Curran.

Curran looks like he has a bit about him, based on the white ball stuff I've seen of him. Big step up though, and behind the likes of Overton and Ball in the pecking order.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on November 16, 2017, 11:17:35 AM
Some pretty decent bowling figures from Suranga Lakmal for SL against India this morning.

Six overs, six maidens, three for none.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on November 17, 2017, 02:26:21 PM
Beteveryday have an early payout on Ashes matches.

If the team you backlead by 100 or more after the first innings, they'll pay you out as a winner.

That's very decent isn't it?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 17, 2017, 03:26:40 PM
Yes very good. Excellent if your side wins the toss and bats as they are likely to do every game except possibly Adelaide for the pink ball test


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 18, 2017, 09:35:06 AM
The Australian Test selectors have lost it, writes Gideon Haigh (probably the best of the Aussie writers)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/gideon-haigh/an-ashes-team-that-raises-more-questions-than-answers/news-story/4afe108ce5e57c6432fcf25564021d80


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on November 18, 2017, 02:16:11 PM
The Australian Test selectors have lost it, writes Gideon Haigh (probably the best of the Aussie writers)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/gideon-haigh/an-ashes-team-that-raises-more-questions-than-answers/news-story/4afe108ce5e57c6432fcf25564021d80


Any chance we could copy and paste this as I cannot seem to access this article without signing up for a subscription to an Australian newspaper.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 18, 2017, 02:31:12 PM
Ball or Overton for the final test spot then?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on November 22, 2017, 12:00:25 PM
Ball gets the nod

England team: Alastair Cook, Mark Stoneman, James Vince, Joe Root (capt), Dawid Malan, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Moeen Ali, Chris Woakes, Stuart Broad, Jake Ball, James Anderson.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on November 22, 2017, 07:31:24 PM
Is it tonight?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on November 22, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
The 4th seamer might not have much of an impact, but don't agree with Ball over Overton. Overton was decent in warm-ups, *should* contribute more with the bat (3 ducks on tour so far suggests not haha) and ball could be under-done from a lack of cricket.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 22, 2017, 07:35:00 PM
Is it tonight?

Yup, starts at Midnight I think.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on November 22, 2017, 07:40:44 PM
Is it tonight?

Yup, starts at Midnight I think.

Aaahhhh, fk I’m knackered, might have to get a few zzzzz now....   ;sleep;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on November 22, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
We're gonna get humped arnt we.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on November 22, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
Is it tonight?

Yup, starts at Midnight I think.

BT sport...not Sky this time.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on November 23, 2017, 08:44:01 AM
Have to say I prefer sky commentary team compared to BT Sports. Found Boycott especially annoying on commentary.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on November 23, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
England's day by a short head?

196/4 good for us, given we are normally 60/3. Longer tail without Stokes, but think we would have taken that first up.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on November 23, 2017, 09:04:49 AM
England's day by a short head?

196/4 good for us, given we are normally 60/3. Longer tail without Stokes, but think we would have taken that first up.

Yep, satisfactory. Very slow pitch, will be interesting to see if it quickens up tomorrow. Old fashioned day of test cricket today.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 23, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
Have to say I prefer sky commentary team compared to BT Sports. Found Boycott especially annoying on commentary.

they need to follow the richie benaud, dan maskell maxim of let the pictures do the talking.much too much babble

i was dozing away to TMS instead of the TV after an hour

I like Graeme Swann (as a cricketer and a character) but just couldn't put up with him chuckling mid sentence at his own jokes for too long!

(still better than the horrendous Tufnell though)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: baldock92 on November 24, 2017, 02:04:44 AM
Very quick turnaround, gone from 4/240 to 9/286 in an hour or so.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 24, 2017, 09:17:35 AM
England lose their last 6 wickets for 58 -- the 13th successive time in completed innings in Brisbane they've lost their last 6 wickets for under 100 (a sequence which began in Nov 1990).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;ground=209;groupby=innings;home_or_away=2;opposition=2;orderby=start;partnership_wicketmin1=6;partnership_wicketval1=partnership_wicket;size=200;team=1;template=results;type=fow


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 24, 2017, 09:19:16 AM
The Gabba becomes a graveyard which is oddas that doesn't suit their quicks at all

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPUdVuNWkAIbvbM.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on November 24, 2017, 04:14:57 PM
Is it 11.30 or 12 start tonight? Cant seem to find it anywhere....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on November 24, 2017, 04:44:12 PM
Is it 11.30 or 12 start tonight? Cant seem to find it anywhere....

I think it's 11.58 - there's one over to make up.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 24, 2017, 10:05:42 PM
"That the toughest sledging you've had Mark." Australian press

"What? Today?"

"Yes, from the players and the fans. The Gabba."

"Do you know the North East of England?"

"No."

"Well I'll take you for a Sunday game in the North East League. You'll not ask me that again"

Stoneman


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 25, 2017, 08:57:19 AM

What sort of lead do England need to have a reasonable chance here? What are typical 4th Innings scores in Test Matches at the Gabba?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on November 25, 2017, 09:45:24 AM

What sort of lead do England need to have a reasonable chance here? What are typical 4th Innings scores in Test Matches at the Gabba?

Fourth innings scores at Brisbane - this is quite an un-Brisbane pitch though so past form may not be as reliable an indicator as usual.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;ground=209;innings_number=4;orderby=team_score;template=results;type=team;view=innings


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 25, 2017, 09:54:04 AM

Thanks Andrew.

The odds seem to have swung too far in the Aussies favour, to my eye.

Australia are generally 4/9, England 9/2, Draw 11/2.

9/2 represents value, does it not?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on November 25, 2017, 10:31:10 AM

Thanks Andrew.

The odds seem to have swung too far in the Aussies favour, to my eye.

Australia are generally 4/9, England 9/2, Draw 11/2.

9/2 represents value, does it not?

Just must be.  Third innings must have higher scores than fourth on average.  I know we are two down, but not nearly convinced that justifies the odds difference.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on November 25, 2017, 12:26:48 PM
I think 9/2 definitely worth a bet in my humble opinion, especially with Root still there.l


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on November 25, 2017, 12:36:47 PM
You can get 6.0 on betfair, which is even better. 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 25, 2017, 12:57:13 PM

Encouraged by the response, I've had a modest wager on England on Betfair Exchange at 6.2.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on November 25, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
Good odds, I put a bit on last night at 3/1 when it was looking more in the balance.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 26, 2017, 08:13:34 AM

Encouraged by the response, I've had a modest wager on England on Betfair Exchange at 6.2.

Ouch.

What an anti-climax that was.

England appeared to have come up 30 or 40 runs short in their 2nd innings, but as things turned out, they were probably 200 shy of what was needed.

It seemed a very low key and lethargic day in the field by England.

Now they have to re-group before the 2nd Test. And Bristol and Avon Constabulary need to get a shift on and make a decision on Mr Stokes.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 26, 2017, 09:35:13 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPh1H1PUMAAf08v.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPhzCzoV4AAkylr.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPh2RNvX4AA13IU.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 26, 2017, 09:35:53 AM
Highest batting average as a captain in Tests: Steve Smith, Virat Kohli, and Kane Williamson in the top five

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPhpUuRWkAAavgY.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on November 26, 2017, 10:00:44 AM
That was the most fearsome fast bowling attack I've seen since the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s.

And according to the experts day 3 and 4 was when batting should have been easiest on that pitch.

England have zero shot of winning this series unless a couple of them get injured.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on November 26, 2017, 10:11:42 AM
That was the most fearsome fast bowling attack I've seen since the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s.

And according to the experts day 3 and 4 was when batting should have been easiest on that pitch.

England have zero shot of winning this series unless a couple of them get injured.

or for Tikay to say something like that?

Come on Tikay, declare the series over.  Give us some hope.

I was sleeping for much of it, but they are 5th in the World and a fair few of our batsmen got going.  It feels a bit premature to put them that high.   



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on November 26, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
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Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on November 26, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
That was the most fearsome fast bowling attack I've seen since the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s.

And according to the experts day 3 and 4 was when batting should have been easiest on that pitch.

England have zero shot of winning this series unless a couple of them get injured.

Fk me, you aint watched much cricket since then. That's a very ordinary attack, even when just compared with Australian attacks since that period.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on November 26, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
That was the most fearsome fast bowling attack I've seen since the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s.

And according to the experts day 3 and 4 was when batting should have been easiest on that pitch.

England have zero shot of winning this series unless a couple of them get injured.

Fk me, you aint watched much cricket since then. That's a very ordinary attack, even when just compared with Australian attacks since that period.


I just assumed he was being sarcastic, if not he couldn’t be further out of touch with cricket...


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on November 26, 2017, 08:15:31 PM
That was the most fearsome fast bowling attack I've seen since the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s.

And according to the experts day 3 and 4 was when batting should have been easiest on that pitch.

England have zero shot of winning this series unless a couple of them get injured.

Fk me, you aint watched much cricket since then. That's a very ordinary attack, even when just compared with Australian attacks since that period.


I just assumed he was being sarcastic, if not he couldn’t be further out of touch with cricket...

aah yes, it was too subtle for a dolt like me :-)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 26, 2017, 08:24:56 PM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on November 26, 2017, 11:38:53 PM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Flintoff, Jones, Harmison ?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 27, 2017, 12:05:43 AM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Flintoff, Jones, Harmison ?

They were good but not quick.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 27, 2017, 12:06:40 AM
By comparison.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on November 27, 2017, 12:45:40 AM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Oh, I don't think they are the best. I think they are the most hostile I've seen since Holding, Croft, Marshall and Roberts.

I don't watch much cricket, and there may well have been an attack I haven't seen that were more aggressive, but these Aussie guys obviously scared the shit out of the England players. Haven't seen fear like like that for years.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DungBeetle on November 27, 2017, 08:05:58 AM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Oh, I don't think they are the best. I think they are the most hostile I've seen since Holding, Croft, Marshall and Roberts.

I don't watch much cricket, and there may well have been an attack I haven't seen that were more aggressive, but these Aussie guys obviously scared the shit out of the England players. Haven't seen fear like like that for years.

Pretty sure the England players were more terrified of Mitchell Johnson last time Ashes were here.  He consistently ripped through them test after test!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on November 27, 2017, 08:40:42 AM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Oh, I don't think they are the best. I think they are the most hostile I've seen since Holding, Croft, Marshall and Roberts.

I don't watch much cricket, and there may well have been an attack I haven't seen that were more aggressive, but these Aussie guys obviously scared the shit out of the England players. Haven't seen fear like like that for years.

Pretty sure the England players were more terrified of Mitchell Johnson last time Ashes were here.  He consistently ripped through them test after test!

Johnson far more hostile than Starc/Cummins imo.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on November 27, 2017, 09:25:01 AM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Oh, I don't think they are the best. I think they are the most hostile I've seen since Holding, Croft, Marshall and Roberts.

I don't watch much cricket, and there may well have been an attack I haven't seen that were more aggressive, but these Aussie guys obviously scared the shit out of the England players. Haven't seen fear like like that for years.

Pretty sure the England players were more terrified of Mitchell Johnson last time Ashes were here.  He consistently ripped through them test after test!

That's one bowler.

Individually, Brett Lee, Allan Donald or Curtly Ambrose all fit the bill.

But this was sustained aggression from all three. No respite. Whereas although Glenn McGrath was a better bowler than any of these three, he didn't physically scare anyone.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 27, 2017, 09:59:06 AM

The Bairstow "headbutt incident" all seems like something & nothing that the Media have blown out of proportion.

Even so, this video interview is all a bit weird;



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42133452


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on November 27, 2017, 10:12:31 AM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Oh, I don't think they are the best. I think they are the most hostile I've seen since Holding, Croft, Marshall and Roberts.

I don't watch much cricket, and there may well have been an attack I haven't seen that were more aggressive, but these Aussie guys obviously scared the shit out of the England players. Haven't seen fear like like that for years.

Pretty sure the England players were more terrified of Mitchell Johnson last time Ashes were here.  He consistently ripped through them test after test!

That's one bowler.

Individually, Brett Lee, Allan Donald or Curtly Ambrose all fit the bill.

But this was sustained aggression from all three. No respite. Whereas although Glenn McGrath was a better bowler than any of these three, he didn't physically scare anyone.

Hazlewood is a fine bowler, but definitely more in the McGrath mould. He shouldn't be scaring you out.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on November 27, 2017, 10:26:43 AM
Are there no terrestrial highlights for this Ashes series?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on November 27, 2017, 10:58:07 AM
Are there no terrestrial highlights for this Ashes series?

Not on telly - I think BT Sport have them on their website for free.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 27, 2017, 11:10:35 AM
odd


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 27, 2017, 11:12:19 AM
Joe Root's failure to convert casts cloud over England Ashes


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/11/26/joe-roots-failure-convert-good-great-casts-cloud-england/


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: muckthenuts on November 27, 2017, 12:07:34 PM
Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins aren't bowling with the same kind of venom that Johnson, Harris and Siddle were bowling with in 2013/14 imo. England's non existent middle order making the current trio look better than they are.

Bigger issue is the lack of bowlers though. Stokes is a big miss, but i feel as though Mark Wood should have been in the squad.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 27, 2017, 06:45:18 PM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Flintoff, Jones, Harmison ?

They were good but not quick.

Massively disagree, the speedos are so inaccurate imo and they juice them up a bit for
Tv.
Go back to 2005 and harmy/ flintoff were hitting ponting langer and co on the head/ grill and body and was being clocked at 88/89mph. Yet now you have broad/ starc sometimes bowling 93mph and people driving and pulling. I'm not saying these guys aren't fast but the speedometers are definitely misleading imo

I think we went better than expected in the test. They are definitely beatable and it showed how much we missed stokes. Ball isn't quite good enough and we miss that batter in the middle


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 27, 2017, 07:13:35 PM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Flintoff, Jones, Harmison ?

They were good but not quick.

Massively disagree, the speedos are so inaccurate imo and they juice them up a bit for
Tv.
Go back to 2005 and harmy/ flintoff were hitting ponting langer and co on the head/ grill and body and was being clocked at 88/89mph. Yet now you have broad/ starc sometimes bowling 93mph and people driving and pulling. I'm not saying these guys aren't fast but the speedometers are definitely misleading imo

I think we went better than expected in the test. They are definitely beatable and it showed how much we missed stokes. Ball isn't quite good enough and we miss that batter in the middle


So we're better off judging speed using our own visual assessment rather than using radar?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 27, 2017, 07:22:42 PM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Flintoff, Jones, Harmison ?

They were good but not quick.

Massively disagree, the speedos are so inaccurate imo and they juice them up a bit for
Tv.
Go back to 2005 and harmy/ flintoff were hitting ponting langer and co on the head/ grill and body and was being clocked at 88/89mph. Yet now you have broad/ starc sometimes bowling 93mph and people driving and pulling. I'm not saying these guys aren't fast but the speedometers are definitely misleading imo

I think we went better than expected in the test. They are definitely beatable and it showed how much we missed stokes. Ball isn't quite good enough and we miss that batter in the middle


So we're better of judging speed using our own visual assessment rather than using radar?

Well I think there certainly is something in it, and I think it's fairly well know that the tv companies do add a little bit to the speed guns for the tv. Obviously these guys are fast and I certainty wouldn't want to face it!



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on November 27, 2017, 07:30:26 PM

So are we thinking Keith meant fast when he said fearsome? Let's hear the faster bowling trio's that there have been?

Flintoff, Jones, Harmison ?

They were good but not quick.

Massively disagree, the speedos are so inaccurate imo and they juice them up a bit for
Tv.
Go back to 2005 and harmy/ flintoff were hitting ponting langer and co on the head/ grill and body and was being clocked at 88/89mph. Yet now you have broad/ starc sometimes bowling 93mph and people driving and pulling. I'm not saying these guys aren't fast but the speedometers are definitely misleading imo

I think we went better than expected in the test. They are definitely beatable and it showed how much we missed stokes. Ball isn't quite good enough and we miss that batter in the middle


So we're better off judging speed using our own visual assessment rather than using radar?

Have to say, my recollection might be a bit off but I thought they all clocked 90 at times and agree with Verndog, the hostility factor was very high and made much better batsman than our lot today, hop around a fair bit.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 29, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPwLNPUX0AAe8kP.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on November 30, 2017, 09:26:56 AM
Will it be the same 11 for England for the second test?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 30, 2017, 09:29:23 AM
Will it be the same 11 for England for the second test?

I think Overton in for Ball personally but doubt they'll change


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 01, 2017, 06:59:26 PM

The 2nd Test starts at 0330 UK time tomorrow (Saturday) morning.

Any value in backing England?

Current approx. prices are;

Australia 4/6

England 11/4

Draw 5/1



https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/ashes/2nd-test/winner



Anyone planning on getting up to watch from the start?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on December 01, 2017, 11:37:21 PM

The 2nd Test starts at 0330 UK time tomorrow (Saturday) morning.

Any value in backing England?

Current approx. prices are;

Australia 4/6

England 11/4

Draw 5/1



https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/ashes/2nd-test/winner



Anyone planning on getting up to watch from the start?

With it being a D/N game I'm setting my alarm for 6.10, just in time for the start of the 2nd session.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 03, 2017, 12:43:19 PM
England weren’t terrible but they bowled too short and without lateral movement, high pace or a holding spin bowler (Ali injured oreor less) they were dismantled by the patience of Marsh & Cummins

Mark Wood can't come back quick enough.How Plunkett wasn't picked for this tour i will also never know. All four bowlers were 78-83 mph, its not varied or quick enough


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 03, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
you can also say Root won the toss and bowlee,what a crap decision. maybe,but what if the bowlers had pitched the ball up for the first three hours of day 1.They were disappointing


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on December 03, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
When does Joffra qualify for England? He'll be a game changer for our pace attack, also proving a genuine threat of runs at 9. Speaking of 9s, I thought Cummins batted beautifully today. Took 40 balls to get off the mark but, even then, he wasn't scratching around and panicking. Very classy technique.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Evilpengwinz on December 03, 2017, 04:57:04 PM
When does Joffra qualify for England? He'll be a game changer for our pace attack, also proving a genuine threat of runs at 9. Speaking of 9s, I thought Cummins batted beautifully today. Took 40 balls to get off the mark but, even then, he wasn't scratching around and panicking. Very classy technique.

"It would be a seven-year qualification to play for England, not complete until 2022-23 which at the speed he is developing would deny international cricket of a gifted cricketer for around four years, frustration no doubt for West Indies cricket."

Source: His Cricinfo profile.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on December 03, 2017, 06:43:10 PM
When does Joffra qualify for England? He'll be a game changer for our pace attack, also proving a genuine threat of runs at 9. Speaking of 9s, I thought Cummins batted beautifully today. Took 40 balls to get off the mark but, even then, he wasn't scratching around and panicking. Very classy technique.

"It would be a seven-year qualification to play for England, not complete until 2022-23 which at the speed he is developing would deny international cricket of a gifted cricketer for around four years, frustration no doubt for West Indies cricket."

Source: His Cricinfo profile.

Jofra Archer has got to wait 5 years. Not exactly frustrating for the windies. He got injured and they threw him on the scrapheap. Phenomenal progress last 12months.

Root should of batted first, now England have to face
Lyon in the 4th innings.
As usual England bowlers are average away from home


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 03, 2017, 07:35:41 PM
Hope we can at least draw this one out, nothing worse than going 2/3 down and feeling like you have nothing exciting to watch with no chance to win  :(


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on December 05, 2017, 10:25:33 AM
Dare to dream lads - The Aussies look rattled and have wasted their two reviews. Even Steve Smith put a catch down!



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on December 05, 2017, 10:40:27 AM
The Barmy Army are on fire - calling for reviews every time the Aussies appeal!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on December 05, 2017, 10:40:40 AM
England cricket fans are more irritating than England rugby fans.

That's quite a feat.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on December 05, 2017, 10:41:26 AM
Want Australia to win, just so those twats can't celebrate.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: baldock92 on December 05, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
After the first innings I've no idea how we're even in this position.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on December 05, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
Want Australia to win, just so those twats can't celebrate.

They've flown half way across the World to support the team and have had to endure some dire England performances over the 1st and 2nd tests.

I think they're entitled to enjoy themselves on the first positive day England have had.

Good luck to them.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 05, 2017, 05:53:51 PM

After Smith had wasted his reviews - he failed to Review one that was out, then wasted 2 in the space of three balls - the Barmy Army were doing mock "review" signals after every appeal.

Thought it was harmless enough, tbh, just good Ashes spirit really.

Much rather see that than the Post on the Darts thread recently where some kid went to a big Darts night & sat in the front row specifically to diss, harangue & abuse Phil Taylor.



  (http://i.imgur.com/Em8QU4i.jpg) (https://imgur.com/Em8QU4i)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on December 05, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Want Australia to win, just so those twats can't celebrate.

Just watched the highlights - thought it was fun and not too boorish tbf


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on December 05, 2017, 08:53:43 PM

After Smith had wasted his reviews - he failed to Review one that was out, then wasted 2 in the space of three balls - the Barmy Army were doing mock "review" signals after every appeal.

Thought it was harmless enough, tbh, just good Ashes spirit really.

Much rather see that than the Post on the Darts thread recently where some kid went to a big Darts night & sat in the front row specifically to diss, harangue & abuse Phil Taylor.



  (http://i.imgur.com/Em8QU4i.jpg) (https://imgur.com/Em8QU4i)

Also singing "Shall we lend you a review?", which I did enjoy.

Bizarre statement by Bayliss that they should turn down the stump mics because of sledging. Just get the players to behave like adults and we can have a more enjoyable experience watching you play.

Oh and if you could bowl fuller and leave balls miles outside off stump, while you're at it, that'd be splendid.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 05, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
England cricket fans are more irritating than England rugby fans.

That's quite a feat.

lol you miserable fker  rotflmfao What you doing watching cricket anyway, too posh for you isn’t it? Stick to your chav sports in future  ;danafish;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 05, 2017, 09:04:43 PM
One of my bullets is reserved for the trumpeter, but that aside find them good natured and fun. The home boards love them, spend fortunes and very few other countries bring travelling fans


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 05, 2017, 09:10:51 PM
One of my bullets is reserved for the trumpeter, but that aside find them good natured and fun. The home boards love them, spend fortunes and very few other countries bring travelling fans

Sadly, the trumpeter bloke had to return home due to a bereavement.

He has been replaced by a ...saxophonist.

I kid you not.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on December 05, 2017, 09:53:58 PM

After Smith had wasted his reviews - he failed to Review one that was out, then wasted 2 in the space of three balls - the Barmy Army were doing mock "review" signals after every appeal.

Thought it was harmless enough, tbh, just good Ashes spirit really.

Much rather see that than the Post on the Darts thread recently where some kid went to a big Darts night & sat in the front row specifically to diss, harangue & abuse Phil Taylor.



  (http://i.imgur.com/Em8QU4i.jpg) (https://imgur.com/Em8QU4i)

Also singing "Shall we lend you a review?", which I did enjoy.

Bizarre statement by Bayliss that they should turn down the stump mics because of sledging. Just get the players to behave like adults and we can have a more enjoyable experience watching you play.

Oh and if you could bowl fuller and leave balls miles outside off stump, while you're at it, that'd be splendid.

Haha, really makes you wonder what they actually do talk about


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on December 05, 2017, 10:08:30 PM
Personal insults are allowed on the forum now I notice.

Didn't realise there had been a change of policy.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 05, 2017, 10:10:02 PM
Anyone been getting up and watching it? I did the first night of both games, want to tomorrow but got to be on the train at 6am  ;grr;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 05, 2017, 10:11:43 PM
Personal insults are allowed on the forum now I notice.

Didn't realise there had been a change of policy.

You insulted rugby and cricket fans of which I am both, if you give it out you get it back.....end of.  ;tracet;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 05, 2017, 10:13:29 PM
Anyone been getting up and watching it? I did the first night of both games, want to tomorrow but got to be on the train at 6am  ;grr;

Yup.

Will be up again tomorrow morning too. Tremendous game today, can't miss this one.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 05, 2017, 10:17:19 PM
It was quite funny on the radio earlier, Ally McCoist revealed that outside of Scottish sports his favourite sports team to watch by a mile is the England cricket team! He’s a huge cricket fan he was saying and has been up every night so far, didn’t see that one coming to be fair!  ;D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on December 06, 2017, 12:18:56 AM
Anyone been getting up and watching it? I did the first night of both games, want to tomorrow but got to be on the train at 6am  ;grr;

Yup.

Will be up again tomorrow morning too. Tremendous game today, can't miss this one.

I'll be up too Mr Tikay! Shall no doubt be behind my sofa for most of it!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on December 06, 2017, 05:01:23 AM
I'm up, but rather wish I hadn't bothered.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 06, 2017, 05:19:58 AM


Back to bed then.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 06, 2017, 10:12:12 AM
Joe Root has now passed fifty 47 times in Test cricket but he has only converted 13 of them into hundreds - the worst conversion rate of any batsman in the top 10 of the ICC Test Batting Rankings.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQVl71NWAAApm_c.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 06, 2017, 10:12:38 AM
An England-Not-Capitalising-On Starts stat and/or Australia-Not-Letting-Up stat for you:

England: 16 innings over 25 in first 2 Tests.
Their average for those innings-over-25 is just 46.4.
That is currently their lowest average for innings-over-25 in any Test series since 1888.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 07, 2017, 09:24:15 AM
England need a solution to their Moeen Ali problem - they can't afford any passengers at the WACA http://skysports.tv/9JppDz


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 09, 2017, 09:23:29 AM
Strauss implements a curfew.

Strauss gets hammered for said curfew because cricketers are adults.

Strauss relaxes curfew.

Ben Duckett pisses all over it when scrutiny is at an all time high.

Shakes head


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 09, 2017, 09:36:19 AM
Strauss implements a curfew.

Strauss gets hammered for said curfew because cricketers are adults.

Strauss relaxes curfew.

Ben Duckett pisses all over it when scrutiny is at an all time high.

Shakes head


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42291541


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 14, 2017, 09:45:05 AM
well done that man

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ_3Bp-XcAAOTnj.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 14, 2017, 09:55:47 AM
This is England's highest first innings score in Perth in 32 years.

Need to turn it into 450+ tomorrow and put some pressure on


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 14, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
Fucks sake, totally forgotten it started last night....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 14, 2017, 10:30:43 AM
Aftertiming Alert


I backed england to win the 1st Test.

I backed England to win the 2nd Test.

I forgot to place a bet on England to win the Third Test.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 14, 2017, 10:42:21 AM
I’m sure it will be 350 all out tomorrow and Aus 250/1 at close so well done on saving money  rotflmfao


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on December 14, 2017, 12:02:56 PM
Interesting that there's been no mention of the match fixing story that broke today. Wonder if we are so desensitised to it now that it doesn't really matter any more.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 14, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
Interesting that there's been no mention of the match fixing story that broke today. Wonder if we are so desensitised to it now that it doesn't really matter any more.

It's just seemed like media hype to me, it never struck me as having an ounce of credibility.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on December 14, 2017, 02:01:18 PM
Interesting that there's been no mention of the match fixing story that broke today. Wonder if we are so desensitised to it now that it doesn't really matter any more.

It's just seemed like media hype to me, it never struck me as having an ounce of credibility.

I have been very close to this story from the get go. It's 100% credible and there are some MASSIVE names that may come out as a result (lawyer dependent). The Sun story states 4 months but that's the tip of the iceberg on the investigation. The level of corruption in the game is more deep rooted than anyone would expect.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on December 14, 2017, 02:05:19 PM
Match fixing or spot fixing?  Fixing a match is way more serious than arranging to bowl a non ball in a given over.

I can't have it on my mind that the result of an ashes test could ever be fixed.  Premier League football match probably more likely to be fixed result wise than an ashes test.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on December 14, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
Match fixing or spot fixing?  Fixing a match is way more serious than arranging to bowl a non ball in a given over.

I can't have it on my mind that the result of an ashes test could ever be fixed.  Premier League football match probably more likely to be fixed result wise than an ashes test.

Spot fixing is right. My error.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on December 14, 2017, 06:49:44 PM
Match fixing or spot fixing?  Fixing a match is way more serious than arranging to bowl a non ball in a given over.

I can't have it on my mind that the result of an ashes test could ever be fixed.  Premier League football match probably more likely to be fixed result wise than an ashes test.

Spot fixing is right. My error.

Why would they spot fixing ashes tests, when they can do BPL games over the last few weeks (and did do) till their hearts content?

seems strange to go for the most high-profile series around when there are dodgy franchise leagues all over the price. They'd make the same money either way?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on December 14, 2017, 06:51:23 PM
Match fixing or spot fixing?  Fixing a match is way more serious than arranging to bowl a non ball in a given over.

I can't have it on my mind that the result of an ashes test could ever be fixed.  Premier League football match probably more likely to be fixed result wise than an ashes test.

Spot fixing is right. My error.

Why would they spot fixing ashes tests, when they can do BPL games over the last few weeks (and did do) till their hearts content?

seems strange to go for the most high-profile series around when there are dodgy franchise leagues all over the price. They'd make the same money either way?

Limits would be higher potentially to get money on with bookmakers on the biggest test series of all.  That is the difference it would make.  Raise less eyebrows in bookmakers offices around the world when lumps appear on deriv markets.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on December 14, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Match fixing or spot fixing?  Fixing a match is way more serious than arranging to bowl a non ball in a given over.

I can't have it on my mind that the result of an ashes test could ever be fixed.  Premier League football match probably more likely to be fixed result wise than an ashes test.

Spot fixing is right. My error.

Why would they spot fixing ashes tests, when they can do BPL games over the last few weeks (and did do) till their hearts content?

seems strange to go for the most high-profile series around when there are dodgy franchise leagues all over the price. They'd make the same money either way?

To prove a point. (From a media perspective at least).


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 15, 2017, 10:18:44 AM
1st innings in the 3 Tests so far:

Smith: 273 for 1.
Root & Cook: 90 for 6.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on December 15, 2017, 10:38:23 AM
1st innings in the 3 Tests so far:

Smith: 273 for 1.
Root & Cook: 90 for 6.

He really is incredibly talented. Such a simple and great technique that sometimes gets masked by all the fidgeting and faffing.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 15, 2017, 10:51:37 AM

He's a joy to watch. This morning he was accumulating runs at a fair old clip, but never once looked like getting out.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 16, 2017, 08:03:15 AM
Aftertiming Alert


I backed england to win the 1st Test.

I backed England to win the 2nd Test.

I forgot to place a bet on England to win the Third Test.



King Bok strikes again.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 16, 2017, 08:07:00 AM

We could be looking at 600 or more here.

What a delight it is to watch Smith fidgeting, fiddling and faffing with all his little mannerisms and tics, and totally imperious. Congrats to him on a chance free double century. Broad and Anderson are both 0 for plenty.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 16, 2017, 09:46:28 AM
that went well

Marsh 179*. The 3rd highest score by any no.6 batsman against England, and highest since Bradman's 234 at SCG in 1946-47.

Smith 220*. The highest by an Australian no.4 v England since Cowper's 307 at MCG in 1965-66.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 16, 2017, 10:08:10 AM
Smith champs Moeen Ali (and Root, I guess) post-play: “I thought Dawid Malan was the pick of the spinners”


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 17, 2017, 08:44:15 AM
The stark contrast between the England and Australia bowling attacks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/12/16/ashes-extras-stark-contrast-australia-england-bowling-attacks/

not quick enough and moving it less

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRMTeXnWkAAZ75D.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: MintTrav on December 17, 2017, 01:18:55 PM
Vic Marks in The Guardian: "From the depths of 561-7 Australia were able to declare on 662-9."


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 18, 2017, 08:35:54 AM
Trevor Bayliss reveals England losing the Ashes after three Tests “wasn’t part of the plan”.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 18, 2017, 08:40:46 AM
Trevor Bayliss reveals England losing the Ashes after three Tests “wasn’t part of the plan”.

Get away?

Pretty spectacular stuff. Scored 400+ in the first innings, & lost by an innings. That can't have happened very often.

8th consecutive defeat to the Aussies over there, too, & the Double Whitewash is a real possibility now.

I guess our boys did their best, but I do feel a bit let down, having got up at 3am or whatever every day to see our lads.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 18, 2017, 08:46:04 AM
Four or five of the senior players haven't performed. Cook, broad, moeen notably. No shot without them contributing


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on December 18, 2017, 09:18:13 AM
Trevor Bayliss reveals England losing the Ashes after three Tests “wasn’t part of the plan”.

Get away?

Pretty spectacular stuff. Scored 400+ in the first innings, & lost by an innings. That can't have happened very often.

8th consecutive defeat to the Aussies over there, too, & the Double Whitewash is a real possibility now.

I guess our boys did their best, but I do feel a bit let down, having got up at 3am or whatever every day to see our lads.

Scoring 400+ and losing by an innings, think we've managed it 2 times in the last 13-14 months

Twice in India? The Karun Nair 300 game was definitely one. Then again here

We can't, and won't, take 20 wickets in a game on these tracks so we'e pretty much doomed.

We now go into panic stations :

Let's replace Cook ... have no other opener in the squad. Reserve batsman is Ballance! He was a worry at 3, how we're now meant to chuck him in at the top of the order is madness.

Let's replace Moeen ... have no other all-rounder, and the reserve spinner couldn't be risked against the Windies. Think we have to do it anyway, but Woakes up to 7 makes me feel a bit queasy and we could ruin Crane before he's even started.

Let's replace Broad ... on figures this tour that would be fair, but if Wood isn't fit then it's bringing back the likes of Jake Ball?

etc etc

Curran for the injured Overton would make sense. In white ball cricket he looks to have something about him, went well in the tour games, will bring a bit of energy and looks to have the right character for it. Other than that, you're moving deckchairs on the Titanic


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: muckthenuts on December 18, 2017, 09:31:07 AM
Don't see how this is any different to how any other side fares when abroad. Just wait for the summer and this team will be smashing all comers, just how cricket seems to work at the moment.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 18, 2017, 10:58:36 AM
ball of the century or hit a crack?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on December 18, 2017, 11:03:31 AM
All pretty predictable stuff - had to watch highlights of 2010/11 to make myself feel better.

Australia now pipping us by one series all time but much further ahead in matches. When we win a home series it's usually some kind of contest. When they win their home series it's usually pretty one sided.

Bowling was pretty much as you'd expect. Disappointing to not see Root and Cook do better as Stoneman, Vince, Malan have all given a reasonable account of themselves in a difficult place to tour


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 18, 2017, 11:18:42 AM
ball of the century or hit a crack?

Hit a crack, imo.

Good ball, but a shade lucky.

Either way, it ended up as completely unplayable.

There was a com moment when they asked Sir Geoffrey if it would have get him out.

"No, I'd have knocked it though the covers for 4" he retorted.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: KarmaDope on December 18, 2017, 04:54:53 PM
I'll be amazed if we win an away series against anybody bar the minor nations. On the other hand, I'll be amazed if we ever lose a home series.

Problem you have is, and it's not just limited to us, all the major cricketing nations tend to have their own area of expertise.

Australia = pacey, bouncy wickets. They have the bowlers to exploit this and their batsmen are used to it. Give them a swinging ball under cloud cover and Steve Smith looks about as good as I am. And I'm shit.
India/Sri Lanka/Pakistan = Dusty, dry, spinners paradises. I think I read somewhere that India haven't won an away series in about 10 years, yet rarely lose at home. I wonder why...
England = Green, wobbly seamers. Look at Anderson/Broad/Woakes - up there with the best swing bowlers in the world. Our batsmen can play anything seaming off a length at 80-85mph, but shove it up their noses at 90+ and they're shitting themselves. To be fair, I would too!
South Africa = Same as Australia but their main issue is that they don't pick the best 11 players. Granted, neither do we, but their quota system royally screws them over.
West Indies = When they can get their main men to play Test Cricket, they have a shot. Unfortunately, just not good enough but their pitches are very much like Australia.
New Zealand = NZ are the only conundrum. On their day they look brilliant in most places (except the sub-continent), but they've been off the boil for so long now...

We'll always win at home because we're the only nation that plays on green seamers so naturally all the test pitches are like that. I know the CC has tried to fiddle with the rules to make spinners but that isn't working. There's no point trying to make roads or hard, pacey wickets because if you do, it pisses down and all the work is ruined. You want to make more fast bowlers, preferably ones that can swing it? The ECB and Counties need to accept two things:

1. Our counties play FAR too much cricket a season.
2. Accept that young pacemen growing up are going to concede runs when they get it wrong. Deal with it. Don't do what they did to Steve Finn and ruin his action because his economy rate was too high.

If I'm honest, I think we have too many counties. The Aussies and Kiwis have 6 teams. The South Africans have 6 franchises made up of 13 teams. When the 13 teams play separately, their FC games are 3 days long. End of. The Indians have 28 teams but play a maximum of 9 first class matches a year. We, on the other hand, play 14 FC games across 18 teams. That's a ridiculous amount, plus OD and T20 on top. It's too much.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 19, 2017, 09:10:13 AM
In this decade away teams in Test cricket have lost 51% of their matches - the highest proportion in the history of Test cricket, excluding the 1870s when there were only three Test matches played.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRWO-ZkXUAAsb7j.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on December 24, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
I'll be amazed if we win an away series against anybody bar the minor nations. On the other hand, I'll be amazed if we ever lose a home series.

Problem you have is, and it's not just limited to us, all the major cricketing nations tend to have their own area of expertise.

Australia = pacey, bouncy wickets. They have the bowlers to exploit this and their batsmen are used to it. Give them a swinging ball under cloud cover and Steve Smith looks about as good as I am. And I'm shit.
India/Sri Lanka/Pakistan = Dusty, dry, spinners paradises. I think I read somewhere that India haven't won an away series in about 10 years, yet rarely lose at home. I wonder why...
England = Green, wobbly seamers. Look at Anderson/Broad/Woakes - up there with the best swing bowlers in the world. Our batsmen can play anything seaming off a length at 80-85mph, but shove it up their noses at 90+ and they're shitting themselves. To be fair, I would too!
South Africa = Same as Australia but their main issue is that they don't pick the best 11 players. Granted, neither do we, but their quota system royally screws them over.
West Indies = When they can get their main men to play Test Cricket, they have a shot. Unfortunately, just not good enough but their pitches are very much like Australia.
New Zealand = NZ are the only conundrum. On their day they look brilliant in most places (except the sub-continent), but they've been off the boil for so long now...

We'll always win at home because we're the only nation that plays on green seamers so naturally all the test pitches are like that. I know the CC has tried to fiddle with the rules to make spinners but that isn't working. There's no point trying to make roads or hard, pacey wickets because if you do, it pisses down and all the work is ruined. You want to make more fast bowlers, preferably ones that can swing it? The ECB and Counties need to accept two things:

1. Our counties play FAR too much cricket a season.
2. Accept that young pacemen growing up are going to concede runs when they get it wrong. Deal with it. Don't do what they did to Steve Finn and ruin his action because his economy rate was too high.

If I'm honest, I think we have too many counties. The Aussies and Kiwis have 6 teams. The South Africans have 6 franchises made up of 13 teams. When the 13 teams play separately, their FC games are 3 days long. End of. The Indians have 28 teams but play a maximum of 9 first class matches a year. We, on the other hand, play 14 FC games across 18 teams. That's a ridiculous amount, plus OD and T20 on top. It's too much.

South Africa tend to win more key test matches/ series overseas than most though?

They've won recent series in NZ, Australia and Sri Lanka where conditions haven't necessarily been familiar.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 24, 2017, 11:46:46 AM
Can’t even be arsed watching it now  ;tracet;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 26, 2017, 09:04:11 AM

I stayed up & watch the pre-lunch session, which ended something like 102/0.

A painful watch, we never threatened, every loose ball was punished, & there was not a single chance.

I liked the new lad, Curran, he might go on to be something.

I was very pleasantly surprised to wake up this morning & see the total was only 244, I had expected well over 350 judging by the morning session.

I fear tonight will be another painful watch.   


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 26, 2017, 09:10:24 AM

On a brighter note, what a magnificent stadium MCG is, especially when full, as it was last night.

Largest stadium in Australia, ditto in the Southern Hemisphere. It's stunning.

It's used for a whole variety of Sports, too - Cricket, Football, RL, RU, Aussie Rules & so on.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cricket_Ground



(http://i.imgur.com/plR1Xlr.jpg) (https://imgur.com/plR1Xlr)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on December 28, 2017, 11:51:20 AM
Since Strauss retired, Cook’s scored 5401 runs.

He’s had 13 different opening partners, who have contributed almost exactly 2,000 runs fewer and only half his number of centuries (12).

(i thought he was losing it, tbh after the first three tests)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: baldock92 on December 28, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
Yep it's been great stuff from Cooky the past few days. Been a few very weird wickets taken aswell. Both Vince and Malan appear to have nicked the ball (shown by the thermo's and snicko) but didn't appeal the lbw call, and then Broad very unfortunate to go after he was "caught" by Kawaja (100% spelt incorrectly). Would be nice to nick a consolation win or 2 before the end.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on December 28, 2017, 11:02:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSH44qtXcAAbh_N?format=jpg&name=900x900)

From James Taylor's Twitter


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on December 30, 2017, 01:31:22 AM
About to head off to bed, we might have a sniff? Not watched any since second test loss  :'(


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on December 30, 2017, 10:15:58 PM
About to head off to bed, we might have a sniff? Not watched any since second test loss  :'(


Sighhhh....the old "go to bed Smith is batting....wake up Smith is batting" routine


At least at a bit of momentum for the last test.....hopefully Crane can make an impact.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on January 07, 2018, 12:44:03 AM

Amazing scenes in the Test at a blisteringly hot SCG.

The Marsh brothers are both at the crease, and both have made a century.

Can you imagine how proud their parents must be?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on January 07, 2018, 12:45:36 AM


Oops, Mitchell Marsh is clean bowled first ball after making his century.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on January 10, 2018, 10:32:04 PM
Really baffling selections for the New Zealand tour.  England have dropped 3 players who barely played and retained all those who played fairly poorly.  Surely they could find at least one fall guy from that lot?  I get that it was tough and players deserve a fair chance, but if that is the case why drop Curran? 

I suppose at least the series is winnable even with that lot.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on January 11, 2018, 08:37:22 AM
Really baffling selections for the New Zealand tour.  England have dropped 3 players who barely played and retained all those who played fairly poorly.  Surely they could find at least one fall guy from that lot?  I get that it was tough and players deserve a fair chance, but if that is the case why drop Curran? 

I suppose at least the series is winnable even with that lot.

That's disappointing.

Can't think of a better opportunity to blood some new talent. Its not as if the senior players covered themselves in glory in Australia, is it?

To inject 3 or 4 younger players, & see 1 or 2 of them make a success must be as good as it gets, I'd have thought.

Shame for the boy Curran, too, who looks an interesting prospect, & who bowled his heart out in batter-friendly conditions.  Hardly good for his confidence to be discarded so quickly.

Maybe the selectors know best - in fact I'm sure they do. Love to know their thinking though.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 11, 2018, 09:26:16 AM
James Vince averages 32 in country cricket over a decade and 22 in two cracks at test cricket

Three glorious cover drives and then a loose snick off to the slips in most innings and he gets another chance?

I don't understand.

Same applies to Stoneman really, lets get Hameed in
--

Nor do i understand jettisoning Tom Curran who i think kept going well on two roads in tests 4 and 5.Probably not quick enough to have a real long term impact in test cricket but seems a bit harsh to give him that baptism and thats it



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on January 11, 2018, 09:30:37 AM
James Vince averages 32 in country cricket over a decade and 22 in two cracks at test cricket

Three glorious cover drives and then a loose snick off to the slips in most innings and he gets another chance?

I don't understand.

Same applies to Stoneman really, lets get Hameed in
--

Nor do i understand jettisoning Tom Curran who i think kept going well on two roads in tests 4 and 5.Probably not quick enough to have a real long term impact in test cricket but seems a bit harsh to give him that baptism and thats it



Hard to see how he will ever average 40+ in Test Cricket, then, which must be the minimum required.

Agree as to Curran, he could not have tried harder, & deffo looked worth persevering with as a decent 3rd or 4th bowler.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 11, 2018, 09:51:42 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42590656


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on January 11, 2018, 03:06:58 PM
Curran was a reserve for a reserve, so I can see why he get let go.

Strange they backed Rocky to such an extent that again there is no reserve opener.

Regarding Vince, Bayliss has gone on record as saying he'd rather give them one game too many than one game too few but he clearly doesn't have the all-round game for test cricket. Has gone OK for us in white-ball, so should be allowed to focus on that.

Don't think we should be viewing this series as a drop in class, Kiwi's are a useful side at home. Williamson is a class act with the bat and a bowling attack of Boult, Southee and Wagner will be tough. Wagner ranked number 4 in the world, above anything in the  Aussie attack ...


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 14, 2018, 11:13:38 AM
ENGLAND WIN BY FIVE WICKETS!

Jason Roy hit a brilliant 180 and Joe Root ends 91no as England go 1-0 up in the five-match series after a record-breaking chase at the MCG.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTf0G4YX4AA1dKJ.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 14, 2018, 11:43:29 AM
Steve Smith believes England are leading the world in terms of how to play ODIs right now and Aust may need to follow their example



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 14, 2018, 11:53:34 AM
Decent win, must admit I find it harder to get excited about one dayers these days.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 14, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Decent win, must admit I find it harder to get excited about one dayers these days.....

there are too many of them worldwide but they rake in the money

always enjoy the world cups and champions trophies.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on January 14, 2018, 12:45:29 PM
Tighty, would you consider Roy for the test squad?  Somebody on the BBC feed suggested it had no merit at all.  If all our batsaman were averaging about 50 and had no glaring weaknesses then I can see the merit, but right now, can it be true?

Just asking, as I can see why he wouldn't be considered, but surely you can't be too quick to dismiss it entirely?   I have spent the last few weeks listening to Geoffrey telling me that they should be aiming to hang round all day and scoring at one run an over, so entiurely possible that he is the opposite of what they need right now.

Anyway, would welcome your thoughts. 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 14, 2018, 01:13:37 PM
His red ball technique is flawed. A great flat track white ball bully when he comes off but not a test vplayer and never likely to be


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DungBeetle on January 14, 2018, 01:33:22 PM
His red ball technique is flawed. A great flat track white ball bully when he comes off but not a test vplayer and never likely to be

Fair enough but I don’t see how a slugger who comes off once in a while than someone like Vince who will consistently fail?  Same applies to Hales?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on January 14, 2018, 03:41:33 PM
His red ball technique is flawed. A great flat track white ball bully when he comes off but not a test vplayer and never likely to be

Fair enough but I don’t see how a slugger who comes off once in a while than someone like Vince who will consistently fail?  Same applies to Hales?

Hales tried and failed. You have to bat at a different tempo in tests, only someone like Sehwag was able to do it really. Even Warner who started out as a T20 bat can rein it in when required. Hales tried to bat "sensibly" and just couldn't do it.

Roy bats 5 for Surrey in red ball, you'd want him batting higher realistically to further his claims, especially of you're going to throw him in as a test match 3 against the new ball.

Hales, Morgan and Buttler are all good ODI players with average test records, in my opinion the switch is much harder to make then it's made out. Each format is becoming more and more "specialist". Some one like Jimmy is an excellent test bowler bit doesn't have the skills for white ball cricket.

We can obviously still find someone better than Vince though 😂


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 15, 2018, 09:40:38 PM
Stokes charged, my ex copper colleague called it.....oh well....will we next see him earning 7 figs in the IPL or is that too soon?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ironside on January 15, 2018, 09:45:22 PM
Stokes charged, my ex copper colleague called it.....oh well....will we next see him earning 7 figs in the IPL or is that too soon?

he already has permission to play the IPL

very unlikely he will get a custodial for affray


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on January 15, 2018, 09:48:12 PM
Stokes charged, my ex copper colleague called it.....oh well....will we next see him earning 7 figs in the IPL or is that too soon?

He won’t be missing out on ipl now especially as he will be available for it all depending on when the trial is


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: KarmaDope on January 16, 2018, 02:02:11 PM
If Stokes has any sense at all he pleads guilty, submits the mitigation evidence that is going around the media (provoked, defending young gay couple, other guy had a bottle), gets 33% knocked off for his guilty plea, probably gets community service and a chunky fine. If the mitigation evidence is true (not saying it is), no way in hell the magistrates give him a custodial - could you imagine the headlines? "England Cricket Star defends gay couple, gets sent down!" Not happening.

If the mitigation evidence is bullshit and there's evidence he started it, he's doing time.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 16, 2018, 05:04:37 PM
Deffo going to take a trip to see some of the English players in the IPL someday, can’t go this year and next year is RWC which will cost a pretty penny, someday though for sure.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on January 16, 2018, 05:13:19 PM
If Stokes has any sense at all he pleads guilty, submits the mitigation evidence that is going around the media (provoked, defending young gay couple, other guy had a bottle), gets 33% knocked off for his guilty plea, probably gets community service and a chunky fine. If the mitigation evidence is true (not saying it is), no way in hell the magistrates give him a custodial - could you imagine the headlines? "England Cricket Star defends gay couple, gets sent down!" Not happening.

If the mitigation evidence is bullshit and there's evidence he started it, he's doing time.

Yes well odds on, fine and community service. The "defending others" works up to a point...it's that last punch that could be a problem with the judge.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ledders on January 16, 2018, 05:41:04 PM
If I was a judge I'd be taking a dim view of that last punch. I don't think you should be able to deck someone in that way without being sent down


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 16, 2018, 05:57:32 PM
If I was a judge I'd be taking a dim view of that last punch. I don't think you should be able to deck someone in that way without being sent down

Seems a bit harsh, we could fill our jails 5 x over if we took that view with every scrap that happened across our city centres at weekends across the country.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ledders on January 16, 2018, 06:06:05 PM
Had a re-watch and it isn't quite as bad as I remembered. But the man is backing away with his hands up and gets absolutely twatted to the extent he can't move from the floor. Seems more than what happens in a regular scrap. Will be interesting to see what happens.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on January 17, 2018, 08:01:47 AM
If I was a judge I'd be taking a dim view of that last punch. I don't think you should be able to deck someone in that way without being sent down

Looks worse than it is maybe?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 17, 2018, 11:23:18 AM
Just so I get this right... you can’t play cricket for England if you’re under investigation for a crime

but you can play if the police / CPS believe there’s sufficient evidence to charge you with affray and you maintain your innocence.

seems all askew to me.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on January 17, 2018, 11:34:19 AM
Just so I get this right... you can’t play cricket for England if you’re under investigation for a crime

but you can play if the police / CPS believe there’s sufficient evidence to charge you with affray and you maintain your innocence.

seems all askew to me.

The whole thing makes no sense at all to me.  Surely there must be more to it than this behind the scenes?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on January 17, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
Just so I get this right... you can’t play cricket for England if you’re under investigation for a crime

but you can play if the police / CPS believe there’s sufficient evidence to charge you with affray and you maintain your innocence.

seems all askew to me.

Wasn't there a possibility he could have been charged with GBH?  In those circumstances the missed ashes series could be viewed as a reasonable punishment.  Now he is charged with a less serious crime, the punushment is too severe.

I am not suggesting this was their thinking, it is just a possible explanation that would fit what we know.

If they were aware of the potential charges, then it may also help explain some of the New Zealand tour selection decisions?   Though they shouldn't really have been tipped off about this.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 18, 2018, 08:59:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTzw1SMX4AAwIZF.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on January 18, 2018, 06:55:37 PM
Pujara > Root?

Absolute nonsense. Always got the impression he was a complete flat track bully.

Would much rather have Root or Williamson in ahead of Pujara.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on January 18, 2018, 09:53:14 PM
Pujara > Root?

Absolute nonsense. Always got the impression he was a complete flat track bully.

Would much rather have Root or Williamson in ahead of Pujara.

Pujara very good at home, and that's basically all India have played this year!

I always wish they'd do these teams with the correct balance, I.E the number 5 spot for the best player in 2017 who actually batted 5. So by that measure Faf was the best number 5 last year. Similar with ODi team, QDK coming in 6 ... has opened in 85/88 ODi appearances :-)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 19, 2018, 12:02:32 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeCgICnH4v9/

 rotflmfao


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on January 19, 2018, 10:17:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1_lPpWsAA7hq9.jpg)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 26, 2018, 01:14:39 AM
IPL auction tomorrow, can any other England player rival Ben Stokes for interest and $$$$?

Hope a few of the other England lads like Jos Buttler etc make a few quid.......


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on January 26, 2018, 10:41:01 PM
IPL auction tomorrow, can any other England player rival Ben Stokes for interest and $$$$?

Hope a few of the other England lads like Jos Buttler etc make a few quid.......

A few years off English team but Jofra Archer will go for a big price after his BBL exploits


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on January 27, 2018, 07:28:38 AM


Stokes sold for £1.4 mill, but Root not sold.



 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42843481


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on January 27, 2018, 09:40:03 AM


Stokes sold for £1.4 mill, but Root not sold.



 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42843481

Still another round of auctions to go, so he has a chance yet....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on January 27, 2018, 03:36:48 PM
Archer went for £800,000


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on January 27, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
Looking forward to watching Rajasthan matches this year!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on February 01, 2018, 12:05:59 PM
Looking forward to watching Rajasthan matches this year!

Yup....really good squad and Jos and BS too.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on February 13, 2018, 11:13:03 AM

Ben Stokes to go on trial, charged with affray, with the first court date set for March 12th.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43044067


I'm guessing that puts paid to him joining up with the Team?

Here's Ben arriving at the Court this morning, complete with sharp suit & severe Barnet.


(http://i.imgur.com/klsxcBe.jpg) (https://imgur.com/klsxcBe)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on February 13, 2018, 12:06:02 PM
Ben Stokes will travel to New Zealand to join the England squad as part of their Twenty20 tri-series.
The 26-year-old Durham all-rounder was in court on Tuesday after being charged with affray.
Stokes missed the recent Ashes series, which hosts Australia won 4-0.
"He will arrive on Friday, 16 February ready to train with his England team-mates in Hamilton," an England and Wales Cricket Board spokesperson said in a statement.
"Any decision to include him in upcoming matches will be made by head coach Trevor Bayliss and the England management team."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43045782


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on February 13, 2018, 12:12:07 PM

^^^^

Blimey, so he'll go there & back for about 3 weeks.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on February 13, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
The charge of affray is made under the Public Order Act 1986 and effectively relates to fighting in public.

So how does he plead not guilty , given the video evidence?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on February 13, 2018, 03:36:30 PM
The charge of affray is made under the Public Order Act 1986 and effectively relates to fighting in public.

So how does he plead not guilty , given the video evidence?

Self defence is the likely answer.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on February 13, 2018, 03:40:20 PM
The charge of affray is made under the Public Order Act 1986 and effectively relates to fighting in public.

So how does he plead not guilty , given the video evidence?

Honestly no idea, but I just had a read of this......I guess he could get anything from community service to a short prison sentence?

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/affray/


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on February 13, 2018, 03:43:01 PM
The charge of affray is made under the Public Order Act 1986 and effectively relates to fighting in public.

So how does he plead not guilty , given the video evidence?

Self defence is the likely answer.

You can commit a crime to prevent another crime.  So if the victim was trying to smash a bottle over someones head you could hit him pretty hard?   Not sure you can say he used reasonable force.  Leave that to the jury?   You could say he went over the top, but you'd have to be pretty certain to find him guilty.  


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on February 13, 2018, 03:58:10 PM
The charge of affray is made under the Public Order Act 1986 and effectively relates to fighting in public.

So how does he plead not guilty , given the video evidence?

Self defence is the likely answer.

You can commit a crime to prevent another crime.  So if the victim was trying to smash a bottle over someones head you could hit him pretty hard?   Not sure you can say he used reasonable force.  Leave that to the jury?   You could say he went over the top, but you'd have to be pretty certain to find him guilty.  

You are right. It seems like there's quite a lot of case law where people intervening in a violent situation were given a favourably wide interpretation of reasonable and proportionate force. I'd have thought he has a decent chance of being found not guilty.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Noose on March 13, 2018, 11:31:51 AM
The charge of affray is made under the Public Order Act 1986 and effectively relates to fighting in public.

So how does he plead not guilty , given the video evidence?

Self defence is the likely answer.


You can commit a crime to prevent another crime.  So if the victim was trying to smash a bottle over someones head you could hit him pretty hard?   Not sure you can say he used reasonable force.  Leave that to the jury?   You could say he went over the top, but you'd have to be pretty certain to find him guilty.  


You are right. It seems like there's quite a lot of case law where people intervening in a violent situation were given a favourably wide interpretation of reasonable and proportionate force. I'd have thought he has a decent chance of being found not guilty.

Yes.....unlikely to be found guilty. But might result in him missing a few more matches in between with legal proceedings and court appearances?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ironside on March 22, 2018, 02:18:47 AM
29 for 9 has to be 1st of april


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on March 22, 2018, 07:54:04 AM
lol


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on March 22, 2018, 09:27:07 AM
thats one way to get out


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on March 29, 2018, 08:58:05 AM
Moeen Ali and Chris Woakes have been dropped


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on April 02, 2018, 11:34:14 PM

What a start for England.

Broad takes 2 wickets with the first 2 balls of the morning.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on April 02, 2018, 11:38:35 PM

What a start for England.

Broad takes 2 wickets with the first 2 balls of the morning.

Thought he was gone at the game?  wtf do the experts know?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on April 02, 2018, 11:51:56 PM

What a start for England.

Broad takes 2 wickets with the first 2 balls of the morning.

http://vegas-poker-schedule.com/


While you're watching the Cricket ;)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on April 03, 2018, 12:05:30 AM

What a start for England.

Broad takes 2 wickets with the first 2 balls of the morning.

http://vegas-poker-schedule.com/


While you're watching the Cricket ;)


:)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on April 03, 2018, 12:06:06 AM

What a start for England.

Broad takes 2 wickets with the first 2 balls of the morning.

FFS was ready for bed, have to watch a bit now, 5 slips!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on April 03, 2018, 12:08:58 AM

What a start for England.

Broad takes 2 wickets with the first 2 balls of the morning.

FFS have to watch a bit now, 5 slips!

Another wicket gone now, 66/3


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on April 03, 2018, 12:13:35 AM
lol they still have the grassy banks to sit on, virtually empty. Had the same in Durban back in 2000, it was so hot there was a queue for the hose pipe to simply cool down  ;surrender;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on April 03, 2018, 12:26:38 AM
lol they still have the grassy banks to sit on, virtually empty. Had the same in Durban back in 2000, it was so hot there was a queue for the hose pipe to simply cool down  ;surrender;

Idyllic venue though, very pretty.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on April 03, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
In seven Tests this winter for England, only Root averaged over 40 with the bat, and only Anderson under 30 with the ball.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on May 24, 2018, 07:37:00 AM

England v Pakistan - proper cricket - starts today.

Any likely value to be found?

4/9 England does not sound much fun, 4/1 the Draw needs bad weather I guess?



https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/england-v-pakistan/1st-test/winner


Other markets;

https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/england-v-pakistan/1st-test/betting-markets


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on May 27, 2018, 12:45:01 PM
a must watch

the overnight al jazeera match fixing programme. the game is screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=170&v=uYlk4izYVmw


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on May 27, 2018, 05:24:20 PM
a must watch

the overnight al jazeera match fixing programme. the game is screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=170&v=uYlk4izYVmw

A close relative is part of the crew responsible for the content of this. Whilst the programme will be enlightening, the amount of stuff they collected and wanted to use but couldn't due to legal threats is incredible. Can't put it into the public domain but it would make the Cronje and Amir episodes seem trivial.

Has pretty much ruined cricket for me really!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on May 27, 2018, 07:37:28 PM
Will be last chance saloon in the next test for some like Stoneman the batting constantly keeps failing to get 400 despite there being plenty of talent so have less excuse than the sometimes powderpuff which looks a real pace but wood is the side at the minute hoping he can bring that to us


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on May 27, 2018, 07:40:55 PM
It's the most pessimistic I've been about an England test team since the 90s.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on May 27, 2018, 07:50:49 PM
a must watch

the overnight al jazeera match fixing programme. the game is screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=170&v=uYlk4izYVmw

Thank you for sharing this Tighty. Absolutely terrifying!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on May 28, 2018, 09:26:54 AM
Ridiculous how the England setup can label the claims as 'outrageous' ...how the hell can they know for certain that none of the squad have been got to?!

Players' heads need to roll for this, it's a million times worse than the Aussies' tapegate and sickens me.

Would this stop if gambelling was legalized in all countries?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: rinswun on May 28, 2018, 11:24:37 AM
The problem is the cricket boards are complicit. Literally on the payroll so they'll do nothing. Notice Root's wording yesterday, "I've been told by the ECB to say...". It's a scandal but the worry is the ICC protects their own rather than acts with integrity.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on May 28, 2018, 02:59:37 PM
a must watch

the overnight al jazeera match fixing programme. the game is screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=170&v=uYlk4izYVmw

Thanks for the link Tighty.....just watched the start and my boys club ( Kew) is featured!......checking their junior savings account as I write.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on May 31, 2018, 03:47:14 PM
Alastair Cook is going through a bit of a rough patch, but the men opening with him have done far worse https://es.pn/2kAsK34

yet to replace Strauss, five years on and counting



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: horseplayer on June 24, 2018, 11:38:54 AM
Thread very quiet when England do well

Ali superb most underated cricketer of the current era


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on June 24, 2018, 12:28:43 PM
He's bowled well. Needs to perform more consistently in red ball for me, looks a different player with the white ball in his hand.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on June 24, 2018, 12:54:14 PM
Thread very quiet when England do well

Ali superb most underated cricketer of the current era

His problem is his lack of variation. Spinners more than ever need that.

Quite happy to see him bowling well, though.

Whitewash very much on now.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on July 20, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
Imagine if Bell were in the team this summer.

131 off 62 today to lead to a tied match. Been in scintillating form.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 21, 2018, 04:35:59 PM
Red Rose tinted glasses here, but Lancs captain Liam Livingstone must be close to getting a call up. Smashing the balls to all corners and taking wickets bowling leg spin.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on August 01, 2018, 09:52:58 AM
Test cricket would appear to be in a really fragile state given the advanced ticket sales for the England vs India series  :(


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 01, 2018, 10:38:15 AM
Test cricket would appear to be in a really fragile state given the advanced ticket sales for the England vs India series  :(

I’ve been to 2 T20 games recently and doing another one on Friday, I only have so much time to watch cricket so something needs to give, I guess many feel the same as me.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 02, 2018, 01:34:04 AM
General ballot for World Cup next year opened yesterday for anyone interested....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: horseplayer on August 04, 2018, 12:34:16 PM
Indian test cricket in crisis

yessssssssssssssssssssss


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on August 04, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
Thats the first tight test match i can remember us winning for a while.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on August 12, 2018, 11:36:01 AM
Ok, so you're Ed Smith for the day.

Let's say Stokes doesn't get a prison sentence (either because he's found not guilty or because he gets a community order).

Trent Bridge next. The Duke ball loves to wobble around there, traditionally. You also have Kuldeep's dominance of England in the ODI there a few weeks ago to tell you a spinner is obligatory.

Rashid gets that spot.

Jimmy and Broad are certainties.

Woakes has wickets and a 137 so can't easily be moved aside.

Curran has looked handy as a left handed bowler, finding different angles and a lovely full length to get the maximum movement. Hard to see how he doesn't get a lot of lateral movement if there's even a little cloud in Nottingham. He's also been good with the bat.

We have the best bottom half in the world but seemingly inconquerable frailties in the top half.

They can't all play. Who heads back to their county for the week?
 
Or are you asking Woakes to open..?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 12, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
Ok, so you're Ed Smith for the day.

Let's say Stokes doesn't get a prison sentence (either because he's found not guilty or because he gets a community order).

Trent Bridge next. The Duke ball loves to wobble around there, traditionally. You also have Kuldeep's dominance of England in the ODI there a few weeks ago to tell you a spinner is obligatory.

Rashid gets that spot.

Jimmy and Broad are certainties.

Woakes has wickets and a 137 so can't easily be moved aside.

Curran has looked handy as a left handed bowler, finding different angles and a lovely full length to get the maximum movement. Hard to see how he doesn't get a lot of lateral movement if there's even a little cloud in Nottingham. He's also been good with the bat.

We have the best bottom half in the world but seemingly inconquerable frailties in the top half.

They can't all play. Who heads back to their county for the week?
 
Or are you asking Woakes to open..?

Tough one if we're assuming Buttler is undroppable as vice-captain, otherwise I'd suggest him.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on August 12, 2018, 11:46:42 AM
Ok, so you're Ed Smith for the day.

Let's say Stokes doesn't get a prison sentence (either because he's found not guilty or because he gets a community order).

Trent Bridge next. The Duke ball loves to wobble around there, traditionally. You also have Kuldeep's dominance of England in the ODI there a few weeks ago to tell you a spinner is obligatory.

Rashid gets that spot.

Jimmy and Broad are certainties.

Woakes has wickets and a 137 so can't easily be moved aside.

Curran has looked handy as a left handed bowler, finding different angles and a lovely full length to get the maximum movement. Hard to see how he doesn't get a lot of lateral movement if there's even a little cloud in Nottingham. He's also been good with the bat.

We have the best bottom half in the world but seemingly inconquerable frailties in the top half.

They can't all play. Who heads back to their county for the week?
 
Or are you asking Woakes to open..?

Tough one if we're assuming Buttler is undroppable as vice-captain, otherwise I'd suggest him.

I think we have to assume he stays in, yes.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 12, 2018, 11:59:02 AM
Stokes certainly returns.

Personally, I think England are better balanced with the left armer in. I think it is time for a bold decision.......... Broad looks fairly ineffective and has certainly lost a yard of pace so it would be him to miss out for me.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on August 12, 2018, 12:15:08 PM
Stokes certainly returns.

Personally, I think England are better balanced with the left armer in. I think it is time for a bold decision.......... Broad looks fairly ineffective and has certainly lost a yard of pace so it would be him to miss out for me.

There's bold and there's dropping Broad at Trent Bridge!

I definitely think there's value in rotating Broad and Jimmy a bit over the next year or so, in preparation for the Ashes and with a view to life after them both. We have a few bowlers on the fringe who will need to get experience and there's no reason why we can't manage our two most experienced players a little in Sri Lanka and against Ireland.

There has to be a need to find a 90mph bowler over the next 2-3 years, too. Ollie Stone at Warks might be one. Can't see them getting a chance without there being some management of the bowling lineup.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 12, 2018, 12:18:00 PM
Stokes certainly returns.

Personally, I think England are better balanced with the left armer in. I think it is time for a bold decision.......... Broad looks fairly ineffective and has certainly lost a yard of pace so it would be him to miss out for me.

There's bold and there's dropping Broad at Trent Bridge!

I definitely think there's value in rotating Broad and Jimmy a bit over the next year or so, in preparation for the Ashes and with a view to life after them both. We have a few bowlers on the fringe who will need to get experience and there's no reason why we can't manage our two most experienced players a little in Sri Lanka and against Ireland.

There has to be a need to find a 90mph bowler over the next 2-3 years, too. Ollie Stone at Warks might be one. Can't see them getting a chance without there being some management of the bowling lineup.

We have a nicely developing leg spinner at Lancs as well in Parkinson. Hopefully they don't do a 'Kerrigan' on him and ruin him before he starts.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 12, 2018, 12:23:37 PM
look out for Amar Virdi at surrey.

proper twirly off spinner, all guile and flight in the England lions set up. Highest wicket taking english spinner this season in 4 day cricket, on early season pitches too

not fit enough yet, needs to strengthen up, but could be taken to sri lanka this winter


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on August 12, 2018, 02:25:19 PM
Stokes certainly returns.

Personally, I think England are better balanced with the left armer in. I think it is time for a bold decision.......... Broad looks fairly ineffective and has certainly lost a yard of pace so it would be him to miss out for me.

Broad would be my pick to drop too. Ineffective in most games and offers nothing with the bat any more


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: horseplayer on August 12, 2018, 04:17:54 PM
we aint doing to bad as it is

broad anderson knockers gone quiet


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on August 14, 2018, 11:28:16 AM
Are bowling attack is fine when the balls moves but we need some proper quick bowling especially when we go abroad,will be a tough winter for the pacemen in the winter with the lifeless surfaces in Sri Lanka and the West Indies no wonder quick has died there with the lifeless surfaces they produce their now


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on August 14, 2018, 03:47:29 PM
The charge of affray is made under the Public Order Act 1986 and effectively relates to fighting in public.

So how does he plead not guilty , given the video evidence?

Self defence is the likely answer.


You can commit a crime to prevent another crime.  So if the victim was trying to smash a bottle over someones head you could hit him pretty hard?   Not sure you can say he used reasonable force.  Leave that to the jury?   You could say he went over the top, but you'd have to be pretty certain to find him guilty.  


You are right. It seems like there's quite a lot of case law where people intervening in a violent situation were given a favourably wide interpretation of reasonable and proportionate force. I'd have thought he has a decent chance of being found not guilty.

Yes.....unlikely to be found guilty. But might result in him missing a few more matches in between with legal proceedings and court appearances?


We called this near enough perfectly.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 23, 2018, 09:20:34 AM

After the humiliation of the last few days, Joe Root said.....


"One thing you can never question about this group of players is their character and the way they can respond to a difficult period."

Crikey.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on August 23, 2018, 09:36:31 AM

After the humiliation of the last few days, Joe Root said.....


"One thing you can never question about this group of players is their character and the way they can respond to a difficult period."

Crikey.

To be fair he's right. Just not for the reasons he implies.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 26, 2018, 08:25:42 AM

Seen on Twitter, posted by MereNovice;


Vince Gough‏ @MereNovice · 9h9 hours ago 

 
Mohammad Irfan just bowled the most economical T20 spell ever. 4 overs, 2 wickets, 1 run. A single off his last ball!



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on August 26, 2018, 04:24:34 PM

Seen on Twitter, posted by MereNovice;


Vince Gough‏ @MereNovice · 9h9 hours ago 

 
Mohammad Irfan just bowled the most economical T20 spell ever. 4 overs, 2 wickets, 1 run. A single off his last ball!



Is on BBC sports page, ended up on losing side mind


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on August 27, 2018, 08:36:38 AM

Seen on Twitter, posted by MereNovice;


Vince Gough‏ @MereNovice · 9h9 hours ago 

 
Mohammad Irfan just bowled the most economical T20 spell ever. 4 overs, 2 wickets, 1 run. A single off his last ball!



Is on BBC sports page, ended up on losing side mind

Bar the 2 wickets (thin edges that were caught behind) I think i'm right in saying no one laid bat on him till that final ball. Amazing scenes. Then they brought on Steve Smith, who went for 37 in 2 overs and they lost fairly comfortably haha


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 31, 2018, 12:26:17 PM
Your West Indian fast bowler name is the last seaside town you visited and the surname of the US president when you were born.

Mine is Wells Johnson


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: booder on August 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Wells Kennedy


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 01, 2018, 12:02:18 PM

What a boss Kohli is.

Great batsman, great Captain.

An absolute delight to watch, must be a nightmare to play against.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on September 01, 2018, 12:13:01 PM
Skegness Truman


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on September 01, 2018, 12:47:03 PM

What a boss Kohli is.

Great batsman, great Captain.

An absolute delight to watch, must be a nightmare to play against.

Amazing slip fielder as well.  Takes some incredible catches


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 01, 2018, 12:55:03 PM
Skegness Truman

This is a good one:-). I’m Caswell Carter.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on September 01, 2018, 05:30:51 PM
Good job England didn't heed my advice and drop Buttler when Stokes returned to the team.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on September 01, 2018, 05:50:20 PM
Really enjoying this partnership. Not 'pushing' the score along but punishing the bad ball when it's there to be hit.

Proper test match batting.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on September 01, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
Tynemouth Reagan is mine

Issue with Kolhi is that when things start getting away from his side, he can't hide his emotions and that passion quickly becomes irritation towards his bowlers. He's getting better with it, has done a great job with this Indian team, particularly with fitness and the fielding.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on September 02, 2018, 10:15:27 AM
I am discounting Blackpool as I live there so I am Playa de la Vistas Carter.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 02, 2018, 01:05:07 PM

This Sam Curran kid really has something about him. Does not look old enough to shave, but he has a sort of positive attitude about him.

What a family, too, he has two brothers who are also pretty handy, one already played for England maybe?

Dad must be well proud.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 02, 2018, 01:08:36 PM

This Sam Curran kid really has something about him. Does not look old enough to shave, but he has a sort of positive attitude about him.

What a family, too, he has two brothers who are also pretty handy, one already played for England maybe?

Dad must be well proud.

His father passed away from a heart attack aged 50 when out running, about 10 years ago


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 02, 2018, 01:11:09 PM
at that point, the three brothers having been recommended to Surrey by former captain Ian Greig, were brought across to England, installed in the academy programme and benefactors, Piers Morgan included, paid for their tuition at Wellington College

two have played for England. Tom took 5-28 on his return from injury to beat Notts this week in the CC, and Ben made his debut for Northants in the same week

the three still live with their Mum in Virginia Water


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 02, 2018, 01:24:19 PM

This Sam Curran kid really has something about him. Does not look old enough to shave, but he has a sort of positive attitude about him.

What a family, too, he has two brothers who are also pretty handy, one already played for England maybe?

Dad must be well proud.

His father passed away from a heart attack aged 50 when out running, about 10 years ago

Ugh, put my foot in it again.

Real shame, he would have been so proud. Think the Dad was a decent cricketer, too?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 02, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
at that point, the three brothers having been recommended to Surrey by former captain Ian Greig, were brought across to England, installed in the academy programme and benefactors, Piers Morgan included, paid for their tuition at Wellington College

two have played for England. Tom took 5-28 on his return from injury to beat Notts this week in the CC, and Ben made his debut for Northants in the same week

the three still live with their Mum in Virginia Water

That's a great story.

What a life lies ahead for all three of them.

What chance sell three playing for England? Think they are actual South African, or somewhere down that way, Rhodesia or whatever?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 02, 2018, 01:27:13 PM
Yes, Northants, Gloucs and Zimbabwe. A real competitior hard as nails which his boys have inherited

On retirement went back to Zim (the boys were born over here) and took over the family farm and was grappling with Mugabe regime stipulations at the time of his premature death


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 02, 2018, 01:29:57 PM

Just remembered they did away with Rhodesia recently. It's Zimbabwe now apparently.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2018, 10:38:49 AM
Sam Curran (271 runs at 45.16 and 10 wkts at 23.00) is the 1st player in Test cricket to have scored 250+ runs at 45+  and taken 10 wickets at <=23.00 in his first 4 Tests.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 03, 2018, 11:41:15 AM
Sam Curran (271 runs at 45.16 and 10 wkts at 23.00) is the 1st player in Test cricket to have scored 250+ runs at 45+  and taken 10 wickets at <=23.00 in his first 4 Tests.

Despite which he was dropped from the team midway through producing those excellent numbers.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 03, 2018, 12:08:32 PM
Alistair Cook retiring from internationals.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 03, 2018, 12:49:59 PM
Alistair Cook retiring from internationals.....

Probably a good decision, maybe just a series too late, but he owes England nothing & has had a great career.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45388727


How long before Broad & Anderson start to contemplate retirement from the Test arena? (Broad first, presumably?).


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 03, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
Alistair Cook retiring from internationals.....

Probably a good decision, maybe just a series too late, but he owes England nothing & has had a great career.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45388727


How long before Broad & Anderson start to contemplate retirement from the Test arena? (Broad first, presumably?).

Other way round I would have thought, Jimmy is 36....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Skippy on September 03, 2018, 03:25:25 PM
He's not retired has he, he's been dropped and they are giving him the opportunity to "retire", in much the same way as politicians are asked to resign.

I'm sure he'll unretire if he's still playing and the need arises.

(Yarmouth Carter)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 03, 2018, 04:55:05 PM
Alistair Cook retiring from internationals.....

Probably a good decision, maybe just a series too late, but he owes England nothing & has had a great career.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45388727


How long before Broad & Anderson start to contemplate retirement from the Test arena? (Broad first, presumably?).

Other way round I would have thought, Jimmy is 36....

No, Broad first for me, Jimmy is wearing better imo.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AndrewT on September 03, 2018, 07:35:14 PM
Despite the fact he’s had a bad summer, Cook will be very difficult to replace as England still haven’t managed to replace Strauss as an opener.

Enniscrone Nixon.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 05, 2018, 12:16:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ZJhNB60.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZJhNB60)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 05, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
He was so good in his pomp a d always came across well. I'll miss him.

Clacton Kennedy


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 06, 2018, 09:49:09 AM

For those who enjoy freaky cricket stats - all of us, surely? - this is pretty neat.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45415238


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 06, 2018, 10:02:52 AM
He was so good in his pomp a d always came across well. I'll miss him.

Clacton Kennedy

He was a fantastic player, one of the very best and clearly an awesome guy. I never really enjoyed watching him though, same with Gooch.

Very good WI fast bowler name :-).


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on September 06, 2018, 10:12:32 AM
Alistair Cook retired with a test bowling average of 7


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on September 07, 2018, 12:11:39 AM
Alistair Cook retired with a test bowling average of 7

Hope not, I have 500's he takes a wicket in his final test haha


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on September 08, 2018, 10:50:19 AM
The Bhangra yesterday was great fun :-). Top work from Dhawan, Harbhajan and Bumble.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on September 08, 2018, 11:19:32 AM
Bumrah runs in to bowl as though he thinks he's a horse.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on September 08, 2018, 08:59:09 PM
Bumrah runs in to bowl as though he thinks he's a horse.

Bumrah has really impressed me, had him pigeon holed as a white ball bowler


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on September 10, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
I cant see anderson retiring just yet or even broad, though i agree that Jimmy is wearing better. They both have chances to break all kinds of records, and why would you retire if the ball is going to continue to swing as much as it has done this summer!

I would personally let Broad have a rest for the Sri lanka tour, they will pick 3/4 spinners and one seamer, so Jimmy and Stokes would be my seam choices. Then pick The Beard, Rashid and Leach with root as your spinners. What you do with the batting, I really have no idea.

My team for Sri Lanka:

Burns
Jennings (not great either way, but plays spin well and they wont want to replace both at the same time imo)
Moeen
Root
Denly/Pope/clarke
Stokes
Bairstow
Buttler
Rashid
Anderson
Leach

I really dont know where or how they fit the extra batter in. Buttler seems too low at 8.

Woakes or curran possibly to bat 8 but only as a batter if they are the best option.

What do we think?

Dymchurch W. Bush


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 10, 2018, 12:26:00 PM
Haha. I love these new signatures


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 10, 2018, 12:46:49 PM
Nice way to go out for Cook, pleased for him  :)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 10, 2018, 12:59:52 PM
Nice way to go out for Cook, pleased for him  :)

Sure is, and pretty unusual to get to the ton with a 5 I would have thought.

The ovation was as long as any I can recall in cricket, there seems to be tremendous warmth towards him, and quite right too.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on September 11, 2018, 09:39:27 AM
I cant see anderson retiring just yet or even broad, though i agree that Jimmy is wearing better. They both have chances to break all kinds of records, and why would you retire if the ball is going to continue to swing as much as it has done this summer!

I would personally let Broad have a rest for the Sri lanka tour, they will pick 3/4 spinners and one seamer, so Jimmy and Stokes would be my seam choices. Then pick The Beard, Rashid and Leach with root as your spinners. What you do with the batting, I really have no idea.

My team for Sri Lanka:

Burns
Jennings (not great either way, but plays spin well and they wont want to replace both at the same time imo)
Moeen
Root
Denly/Pope/clarke
Stokes
Bairstow
Buttler
Rashid
Anderson
Leach

I really dont know where or how they fit the extra batter in. Buttler seems too low at 8.

Woakes or curran possibly to bat 8 but only as a batter if they are the best option.

What do we think?

Dymchurch W. Bush

I don't see how you drop Curran. Agreed about Butler being too low. I would stick Curran at 8 and get rid of your number 5 options and bump everyone up one.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2018, 05:59:38 PM
Anyone else getting really bored listening to this nonsense about Jimmy Anderson?  Yes he has played a million tests and taken more wickets than any quick (is he even that quick relatively) in history but come on he can't lace the boots of at least 12 bowlers on this all time (300+ wickets) list.  On strike rate/average/best bowling figures and number of 10 wicket games.  27 average.  56 SR.  Best figures 7/42

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bowlers_who_have_taken_300_or_more_wickets_in_Test_cricket

My favorite 5 are as follows (in my lifetime early 1980s onwards)

Marshall  - sub 21 average/46 SR.  Poetry in motion to watch.
Allan Donald - 22 average and 47 SR.
Curtley - The most brutal bowler in my lifetime to watch in full flow another sub 21 average
Waqar Younis - Insane SR of 43 and so many deliveries that were just unplayable.
McGrath - 21 average and 52 SR over huge sample size sharing wickets with some of the other greatest ever.

Michael Holding was suitably annoyed by the discussion today and said something along the lines of 'can people stop saying Anderson has gone past anyone he has simply more wickets than anyone else fast bowler wise'


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 12, 2018, 10:23:40 AM
i am with you, but this is an alternative view

James Anderson is the most skilful and consistent Test fast bowler there has ever been and now he has the statistics to prove it
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/james-anderson-found-mental-strength-to-master-his-art-dqsb6sqsj


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 12, 2018, 10:24:56 AM
and atherton

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/james-andersons-wicket-haul-may-never-be-surpassed-6clfk0jz9


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on September 12, 2018, 10:53:28 AM
Sure i understand the flip side of the debate and longevity is a huge factor imo for GOAT discussions.  James Anderson is very similar to Karl Malone in the all time NBA scoring list.  Playing 20 seasons (mainly because he looked after his body great which is a huge part of being a pro athlete) and hardly missed a game.  He is second all time on the nba gross scoring list (that doesn't account for averages) but no one in their right mind would ever remotely discuss Malone as a top 10 player of all time.

http://www.espn.com/nba/history/leaders


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on September 12, 2018, 12:23:34 PM
It's like comparing Ronaldinho and Zidane. Peak individual game Ronalinho was better but you'd build your squad around Zidane.

FWIW, Jimmy swings the ball well both ways, is a threat against top and tail, has taken wickets in all conditions (albeit with a range of success, like in Australia) and must be in the conversation.

For me, McGrath and Walsh above Jimmy, who I would have in the tier with Akram and Steyn.

Difficult to assess before that, as not in my lifetime.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: fatcatstu on September 12, 2018, 12:29:15 PM
The sheer skill that Jimmy bowls with puts him right up there IMO. Being able to move the balls both ways and bowl as economically as he does is mind blowing, and the fact he is STILL doing it now.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on September 12, 2018, 08:10:55 PM
I think his consistency and overall fitness levels really have set the bar for fast bowlers.

Not to be overlooked, he is also a tremendous fielder.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 12, 2018, 08:46:25 PM
Just a different type of fast bowler than the other potential names out there. He is up there as the king of swing, whereas McGrath was the boss of accuracy and the WI lads the bosses of aggression. Why does there even need to be an overall GOAT?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on September 12, 2018, 09:22:52 PM
Just a different type of fast bowler than the other potential names out there. He is up there as the king of swing, whereas McGrath was the boss of accuracy and the WI lads the bosses of aggression. Why does there even need to be an overall GOAT?

Woodsey in post of the week shocker.

 :goodpost:


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on September 12, 2018, 09:31:33 PM
Just a different type of fast bowler than the other potential names out there. He is up there as the king of swing, whereas McGrath was the boss of accuracy and the WI lads the bosses of aggression. Why does there even need to be an overall GOAT?

Woodsey in post of the week shocker.

 :goodpost:

Blind squirrels and all that!!   Back to politics thread for Woodsey!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 12, 2018, 09:42:00 PM
Just a different type of fast bowler than the other potential names out there. He is up there as the king of swing, whereas McGrath was the boss of accuracy and the WI lads the bosses of aggression. Why does there even need to be an overall GOAT?

Woodsey in post of the week shocker.

 :goodpost:

Blind squirrels and all that!!   Back to politics thread for Woodsey!

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Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 15, 2018, 09:59:15 AM

T20 Finals day at Edgbaston today, not something I'd normally be interested in, but back in July Tighty's Road to Riches recommended Sussex @ 10/1, & they are one of the 4 semi-finalists.

It's presumably hard to call, as at one stage yesterday, all 4 teams were priced at 11/4.

Prices today are not much different;

https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/england/vitality-t20-blast/natwest-t20-blast/winner

This weekend's Road to Riches also includes a player prop bet in today's Finals Day.

GL all those who got on. 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 15, 2018, 10:02:24 AM

Whilst on cricket & Road to Riches, in April Tighty put up Warwickshire to win Div 2 of the CC at 9/2.

That's gonna be close, too, with Warwickshire currently top;
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/county-championship-division-two/table

Quite a finish in prospect there, as Warwickshire visit 3rd place Sussex next week, then host current 2nd place Kent.



 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 15, 2018, 05:53:06 PM

T20 Finals day at Edgbaston today, not something I'd normally be interested in, but back in July Tighty's Road to Riches recommended Sussex @ 10/1, & they are one of the 4 semi-finalists.

It's presumably hard to call, as at one stage yesterday, all 4 teams were priced at 11/4.

Prices today are not much different;

https://www.oddschecker.com/cricket/england/vitality-t20-blast/natwest-t20-blast/winner

This weekend's Road to Riches also includes a player prop bet in today's Finals Day.

GL all those who got on.  

Sussex cruise to the Final, so the place part of the bet is home & hosed. The Player Prop lost, so not all gravy.

Odds for the Final?

Sussex 4/7

Worcs 11/8

EDIT - Just realised, the player prop is still alive.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 16, 2018, 10:57:13 AM

Well that did not go quite to plan, after a farcical run out early doors (batsman was a yard in but failed to ground either his bat or a foot) Sussex runs came up a tad short.

Then, with the game in the balance with 2 over left, WASP calling it 50% - 50%, Worcs somehow managed 12 runs off.....ONE ball. Think it was a no-ball from which a 4 was hit, with a Free Hit awarded which got despatched into Tier Z. Not sure I've ever seen 12 off 1 ball before.

Anyway, that was that, so Sussex finished as losing finalists. The EW return ensured a nice profit, so no complaints at all.

I shall now devote my energy to bokking Warwickshire to win the CC Div 2.   


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on September 16, 2018, 11:02:14 AM

Well that did not go quite to plan, after a farcical run out early doors (batsman was a yard in but failed to ground either his bat or a foot) Sussex runs came up a tad short.

Then, with the game in the balance with 2 over left, WASP calling it 50% - 50%, Worcs somehow managed 12 runs off.....ONE ball. Think it was a no-ball from which a 4 was hit, with a Free Hit awarded which got despatched into Tier Z. Not sure I've ever seen 12 off 1 ball before.

Anyway, that was that, so Sussex finished as losing finalists. The EW return ensured a nice profit, so no complaints at all.

I shall now devote my energy to bokking Warwickshire to win the CC Div 2.   

Noooooooooooooooooooo!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 16, 2018, 11:04:16 AM

Well that did not go quite to plan, after a farcical run out early doors (batsman was a yard in but failed to ground either his bat or a foot) Sussex runs came up a tad short.

Then, with the game in the balance with 2 over left, WASP calling it 50% - 50%, Worcs somehow managed 12 runs off.....ONE ball. Think it was a no-ball from which a 4 was hit, with a Free Hit awarded which got despatched into Tier Z. Not sure I've ever seen 12 off 1 ball before.

Anyway, that was that, so Sussex finished as losing finalists. The EW return ensured a nice profit, so no complaints at all.

I shall now devote my energy to bokking Warwickshire to win the CC Div 2.   

Noooooooooooooooooooo!

Well I'm on Warwickshire at a nice price, so I hope not. I do have form though.

How are you feeling today, Tal? Got over yesterday yet?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 16, 2018, 08:34:01 PM
i was at the finals yesterday in the 'party' stand. Shoe bombing, people being carried out by stewards, a vomitorium out back. Great fun though tbf


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 17, 2018, 09:30:26 AM
i was at the finals yesterday in the 'party' stand. Shoe bombing, people being carried out by stewards, a vomitorium out back. Great fun though tbf

I would not have wanted to be there, but have to say, the sight of everyone really enjoying themselves, & seemingly a third or more of them in fancy dress, cheered me up no end. Looked to be very little bad blood, just folks having fun.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 17, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
i was at the finals yesterday in the 'party' stand. Shoe bombing, people being carried out by stewards, a vomitorium out back. Great fun though tbf

I would not have wanted to be there, but have to say, the sight of everyone really enjoying themselves, & seemingly a third or more of them in fancy dress, cheered me up no end. Looked to be very little bad blood, just folks having fun.

Yep. Had a smile on my face all day. It was quite a high bar to get ejected and really.liked the.light touch stewarding / policing in this area. Pretty smart to get all the people who wanted to have an experience like this in one place and let others enjoy a slighly less boisterous experience. Light touch worked because it was always fun and never felt intimidating. Was interesting compared to a footie crowd. On the rare occasion someone got ejected, the rest of the crowd would sing in support of the stewarding rather than try and start a mass brawl.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 17, 2018, 06:09:47 PM
i was at the finals yesterday in the 'party' stand. Shoe bombing, people being carried out by stewards, a vomitorium out back. Great fun though tbf

I would not have wanted to be there, but have to say, the sight of everyone really enjoying themselves, & seemingly a third or more of them in fancy dress, cheered me up no end. Looked to be very little bad blood, just folks having fun.

Yep. Had a smile on my face all day. It was quite a high bar to get ejected and really.liked the.light touch stewarding / policing in this area. Pretty smart to get all the people who wanted to have an experience like this in one place and let others enjoy a slighly less boisterous experience. Light touch worked because it was always fun and never felt intimidating. Was interesting compared to a footie crowd. On the rare occasion someone got ejected, the rest of the crowd would sing in support of the stewarding rather than try and start a mass brawl.

Lovely to read, & I especially agree with the emboldened part.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on October 06, 2018, 06:08:47 PM

This must be pretty unusual at Test level - an ambidextrous spinner.

Bill Frindle would be scratching his head at that one.

Anyone know other examples at Test level?


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Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Magic817 on November 06, 2018, 08:39:38 AM
Thoughts on Foakes starting. I thought Root had said Butler would keep If Bairstow couldn’t play.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on November 06, 2018, 11:39:47 AM
pretty happy!

been the best wicket keeper in domestic cricket for several years, top six batsman in his own right and been blocked by Bairstow from the test team. nice selection problem to have now.

If only our top 3 could perform like numbers 6-8 in the order, we would be a decent team!

we don't have a number 3, or two openers. Yet


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 17, 2018, 10:09:17 AM
Great test match.

No idea what they do with the side for the first ashes test next summer?

Bairstow open and Jennings misses out?

Assuming they rest a couple for the West Indies what would your ashes starting 11/ best test side be?

Burns
Jennings/ Bairstow
Stokes
Root
Buttler
Moeen
Foakes
Curran
Broad
Leach
Anderson

I like leach. Seems difficult to get woakes in but no idea what they’ll do




Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: fatcatstu on November 17, 2018, 12:47:55 PM
Great test match.

No idea what they do with the side for the first ashes test next summer?

Bairstow open and Jennings misses out?

Assuming they rest a couple for the West Indies what would your ashes starting 11/ best test side be?

Burns
Jennings/ Bairstow
Stokes
Root
Buttler
Moeen
Foakes
Curran
Broad
Leach
Anderson

I like leach. Seems difficult to get woakes in but no idea what they’ll do




Dont think we need 2 spinners in at home, i personally drop Ali for Bairstow. He hasnt been that impressive this game, and I personally think he flatters to deceive a lot of the time. Rather have Leach in to offer us control, and replace Mo's batting with Bairstow, which is a huge upgrade.

Burns
Jennings
Buttler
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Foakes
Curren
Broad
Leach
Anderson


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on November 17, 2018, 01:51:01 PM
Surely a fit Woakes has to start.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 17, 2018, 02:02:58 PM
Surely a fit Woakes has to start.

I’d be inclined to agree. But instead of who?

I’d have said it’s 2 slots for Curran Stokes and Woakes. On current form Stokes gets dropped over Curran but that won’t happen. Can they fit all 3 in?  We don’t need 5 seamers


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: fatcatstu on November 17, 2018, 03:21:26 PM
Drop Broad for Woakes?

 I wont make the cynical point of it only being for 1 game as Woakes will be injured again thereafter....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on November 17, 2018, 03:44:17 PM
Drop Broad for Woakes?

 I wont make the cynical point of it only being for 1 game as Woakes will be injured again thereafter....

No way Broad has been back to his best in the last year. Think he averages 26 with the ball in the last 18 months or something. Plus a home ashes series you’d want him in the side


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on November 24, 2018, 11:00:41 AM
I'm really impressed by Foakes's 'keeping - he looks very stylish and classy behind the stumps especially to the spinners.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on November 24, 2018, 11:01:35 AM

Foakes looks like he may have suffered a broken finger behind the stumps.

If that's the case, quite the dilemma for Root to decide who keeps in the 2nd Innings.

For sure, Bairstow, will expect to get the shout.

Real cat amongst the pigeons stuff.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on December 18, 2018, 10:30:36 AM

Arise Sir Alistair Cook.

I'm a bit on the fence as to whether sportsmen deserve Sir-ships, but if ever a cricketer deserved one, surely it's this one.

33 Test centuries, & an unbroken run of 159 Test matches.

Youngest player in the world to reach 6,000 Test runs, ditto 7,000, 8,000, 9,000, 10,000, 11,000 & 12,000.

Seems a decent chap, too.


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Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on February 20, 2019, 08:39:57 PM
1st ODI. Worth a look in right now, WI scored 360 and England running well although early days.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on February 21, 2019, 12:47:21 PM
Fantastic chase.

Loved Root's innings - paced beautifully. He never seemed to play a shot in anger and just accumulated quietly letting Roy and Morgan cut loose.

To chase 360 and not need Buttler is frightening.

Some work to do on the attack, Plunkett looks to have lost half a yard and that would make him easy pickings for the top ODI batsman.

When does Joffra Archer qualify for England? He could be the X factor that takes this team from good to great.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on February 21, 2019, 01:42:23 PM
Fantastic chase.

Loved Root's innings - paced beautifully. He never seemed to play a shot in anger and just accumulated quietly letting Roy and Morgan cut loose.

To chase 360 and not need Buttler is frightening.

Some work to do on the attack, Plunkett looks to have lost half a yard and that would make him easy pickings for the top ODI batsman.

When does Joffra Archer qualify for England? He could be the X factor that takes this team from good to great.



I thought they said as early as this March


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on February 21, 2019, 09:04:32 PM
Fantastic chase.

Loved Root's innings - paced beautifully. He never seemed to play a shot in anger and just accumulated quietly letting Roy and Morgan cut loose.

To chase 360 and not need Buttler is frightening.

Some work to do on the attack, Plunkett looks to have lost half a yard and that would make him easy pickings for the top ODI batsman.

When does Joffra Archer qualify for England? He could be the X factor that takes this team from good to great.



I thought they said as early as this March

Some time in March, depending on how many days he's spends in England in the next month or so.

Yesterday kinda solidified for me that I'll be an India backer this summer. Both sides have powerfully batting, ours is better in the middle order but their bowling is a good way ahead of ours IMO. Bumrah, Kuldeep and Chahal are a decent upgrade on what we can offer up.

Was sick how easy it looked yesterday mind, knocked off 360 with the minimum of fuss. Whole chase under control. Amazing compared to where we were in the lead up to the last world cup.

It would be a a bit cntroversial and possibly would "rock the boat" but I'd have Jofra in straight away. Still not convinced by Wood (even after the 3rd test), Willey is completely gone (can only bowl with the new ball anyway but has stopped making early breakthroughs) and as mentioned Plunkett needs to get that yard of pace back or he is defo fodder.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on February 22, 2019, 10:09:01 AM
I would defiinitely have Archer in straight away. Made an impact in the IPL last year and seems to have the right mental attitude for the big moments. He is also quick - something we are lacking from our pace attack which looked very 1 dimensional to me.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on March 25, 2019, 05:17:16 PM
Buttler currently on for a big one in IPL....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on March 25, 2019, 09:07:04 PM
Buttler currently on for a big one in IPL....

Well, he was...
RR messed that chase up pretty spectacularly though.
Can't see Sam Curran getting too many more games. His effectiveness comes in swinging the ball and the white T20 ball doesn't swing. Archer on the other hand looks every bit as good as he is


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on March 25, 2019, 09:13:25 PM
Buttler currently on for a big one in IPL....

Well, he was...
RR messed that chase up pretty spectacularly though.
Can't see Sam Curran getting too many more games. His effectiveness comes in swinging the ball and the white T20 ball doesn't swing. Archer on the other hand looks every bit as good as he is

Appalling sportsmanship by Ashwin (I think) on Buttler imo, hope one of his team mates had a word.......yeah the IPL is notoriously brutal at ditching players if they don’t perform. Really gutted I can’t go this year with the stars aligning and Buttler and Stokes playing for the same team. Hope I get a similar chance in future  ;melissa;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 27, 2019, 08:47:35 AM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on March 27, 2019, 09:14:35 AM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.

Hi Nell,

Do you have a Twitter account?

Saw something cricket-related on there which looked a little like your "handwriting" but it disappeared before I could delve into it or "Follow". 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 27, 2019, 11:29:58 AM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.

Hi Nell,

Do you have a Twitter account?

Saw something cricket-related on there which looked a little like your "handwriting" but it disappeared before I could delve into it or "Follow". 

@nellbergcricket

fair warning, I'm normally just arguing with Australian's on there or complaining about captains doing dumb shit haha


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on March 27, 2019, 11:49:13 AM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.

Hi Nell,

Do you have a Twitter account?

Saw something cricket-related on there which looked a little like your "handwriting" but it disappeared before I could delve into it or "Follow". 

@nellbergcricket

fair warning, I'm normally just arguing with Australian's on there or complaining about captains doing dumb shit haha

That's the one, thank you, you have a new Follow now.

Do you engage with @SimUKCricket? He can be more abrasive than Bancroft's sandpaper. Has some entertaining views on the Australians & Indians, though has an unfortunate habit of referring to those he dislikes as "mongs" which annoys me intensely.

Decent club cricketer himself I believe, plays a decent game of poker, too. Nice bloke in real life.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 27, 2019, 12:30:31 PM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.

Hi Nell,

Do you have a Twitter account?

Saw something cricket-related on there which looked a little like your "handwriting" but it disappeared before I could delve into it or "Follow". 

@nellbergcricket

fair warning, I'm normally just arguing with Australian's on there or complaining about captains doing dumb shit haha

That's the one, thank you, you have a new Follow now.

Do you engage with @SimUKCricket? He can be more abrasive than Bancroft's sandpaper. Has some entertaining views on the Australians & Indians, though has an unfortunate habit of referring to those he dislikes as "mongs" which annoys me intensely.

Decent club cricketer himself I believe, plays a decent game of poker, too. Nice bloke in real life.


Yeh, I get on with Sim. His one-man crusade against Steve Smith (or Steve Myth as he calls him) is worth following him for alone haha. Manners and bad language go out the window a bit online, on twitter it's X100.

Aye, think he's a decent cricketer in "real life", where as the rest of us probably just talk a good game haha


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on March 27, 2019, 12:37:32 PM

^^^^

Ha, yes, he has a bit of a thing about Steve "Robotic" Myth.

I enjoy his stuff, quite thought provoking, just I don't like seeing that word used as it is.

I don't have deep cricket knowledge, so it helps me to follow guys like you & him.


Yesterday, after someone suggested Steve Smith should have been Mankad'd, he Tweeted;


Shouldn't really try to get him out. Let him stay in and soak up balls IMO.


That really interested me, as I'd never thought of that angle.
 

He also Tweeted yesterday.....


Mr Myth is not the smartest. Even the sandpaper they used was bright yellow.

Fair comment, too.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 27, 2019, 12:43:14 PM


^^^^

Ha, yes, he has a bit of a thing about Steve "Robotic" Myth.

I enjoy his stuff, quite thought provoking, just I don't like seeing that word used as it is.

I don't have deep cricket knowledge, so it helps me to follow guys like you & him.


Yesterday, after someone suggested Steve Smith should have been Mankad'd, he Tweeted;


Shouldn't really try to get him out. Let him stay in and soak up balls IMO.


That really interested me, as I'd never thought of that angle.
 

As soon as anyone gets off to a slow start the debate on whether you should retire a batsman out begins haha. Think even Dhawan was getting stick yesterday. Wouldn't be doing it with Delhi, who've gone with only 5 batsman this season (some top 5 mind you, but drop off is alarming from 5 to 6).

Don't think it will be long till it happens to be fair. If you have someone like Andre Russell next in and your "anchor" opener is chewing up balls, it would be a positive tactical move to get him in etc


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on March 27, 2019, 11:14:13 PM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.

Good call on Miller, though slightly strange to change so many players from a winning team


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on March 28, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.

Good call on Miller, though slightly strange to change so many players from a winning team

4 changes was extreme, Miller/Tye coming in is fair enough but other changes looked bizarre. Viljoen/Chakravarty instead of Mujeeb/Rajpoot would be picking 2 worse options for me. I'd swap Mandeep with Sarfaraz also, Mandeep has opened in the past so be fine batting 4 where as Sarfaraz is suited to death overs.

Ashwin has a reputation of being a "quirky" captain, and they look a franchise capable of self-destruction at the best of times so I'll expect weird stuff all the way through.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on March 28, 2019, 09:35:33 AM
They might persevere with Curran, paid a lot for him (shouldn't matter but it usually does) and only other option in that role are Henriques (doesn't bowl much any more). Other way they'd go is Ashwin up to 7 and pick another overseas bat (Miller/Pooran) and play another domestic bowler. You'd imagine banker 3 overseas will be Gayle, Tye and Mujeeb.

If he gets games it'll be a good learning curve for him, as with the ball he'll struggle to get it swinging and could be fodder if he doesn't adapt and with the bat he'll be in some high-pressure match situations coming in 7.

Good call on Miller, though slightly strange to change so many players from a winning team

4 changes was extreme, Miller/Tye coming in is fair enough but other changes looked bizarre. Viljoen/Chakravarty instead of Mujeeb/Rajpoot would be picking 2 worse options for me. I'd swap Mandeep with Sarfaraz also, Mandeep has opened in the past so be fine batting 4 where as Sarfaraz is suited to death overs.

Ashwin has a reputation of being a "quirky" captain, and they look a franchise capable of self-destruction at the best of times so I'll expect weird stuff all the way through.

Quirky? Is that another word bad sportsman?  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on April 03, 2019, 09:39:30 AM
Curran has gone from a number 7/8 who's only any good with the new ball to a pinch-hitting opener and death bowling king :-)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on April 13, 2019, 02:27:32 PM
Buttler on fire now.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on April 16, 2019, 11:35:59 PM
Some of the England one day bowlers getting worried about Archer, the way he's bowling it wont be long before he's in the team


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on April 17, 2019, 11:36:32 AM
He didn't make the prelim squad, but in the 17 for Pakistan series. Performs well there and they'll find a spot for him, either take a bowler out or Denly.

Injury replacements can be made during the tournament so Denly could be vulnerable, Hales comes in for a bat if they want to rotate/short term injury, already have 2 all-rounders with likes of Woakes more than capable, already 2 spin options in there etc etc. Could see him making way. Also be less fuss about a player losing his spot in the squad that's got them to #1 in the world, as Denly hasn't played an ODI side 2009.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on April 17, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
He didn't make the prelim squad, but in the 17 for Pakistan series. Performs well there and they'll find a spot for him, either take a bowler out or Denly.

Injury replacements can be made during the tournament so Denly could be vulnerable, Hales comes in for a bat if they want to rotate/short term injury, already have 2 all-rounders with likes of Woakes more than capable, already 2 spin options in there etc etc. Could see him making way. Also be less fuss about a player losing his spot in the squad that's got them to #1 in the world, as Denly hasn't played an ODI side 2009.

I'm not entirely sure what he brings to the squad anyway to be honest. Surely Archer a better option that Denly - already heaps of batting in that squad!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on April 17, 2019, 04:48:27 PM
Archer can bat too and is excellent in the field


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on June 04, 2019, 01:01:47 PM
Wrong thread really (do we even have a CWC thread?) but a great game in progress at Cardiff between Sri Lanka & Afghanistan.

Afghanistan won the toss & inserted Sri Lanka, only to be blown away early doors with Sri Lanka racing to 91 in 13 overs before losing a wicket. Think thry had 30 on the board in the first 2 overs including about 15 extras, it was carnage. It was the highest first 10 over score in the CWC so far.

Now? 178-7 in 31 overs, & Sri Lanka are going to struggle to make 250.

Would love to see the plucky Afghans win this.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on June 04, 2019, 01:02:22 PM

Make that 180-8.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on June 04, 2019, 01:21:46 PM

And the fun is spoilt by rain, so they are off the field now, & a lengthy delay looks inevitable.

No idea who that most favours, & I don't know enough about the CWC to know if Heath Robinson Duckworth-Lewis is applied, & if so, whom it favours.

Shame, was brewing up to be a great game.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on June 18, 2019, 05:55:20 PM

This is nothing to do with England or the CWC, but cricket nerds (paging Tighty) might enjoy this scorecard, which EvilPingu posted Next Door;





http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19349/scorecard/1188785/rwanda-women-vs-mali-women-2nd-match-kwibuka-womens-twenty20-tournament-2019


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kp24 on June 18, 2019, 08:34:24 PM

This is nothing to do with England or the CWC, but cricket nerds (paging Tighty) might enjoy this scorecard, which EvilPingu posted Next Door;





http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19349/scorecard/1188785/rwanda-women-vs-mali-women-2nd-match-kwibuka-womens-twenty20-tournament-2019

A mate of mine whatsapped it to me looks they they got 11 randoms off the street to play,looking forward to seeing England play the other teams in top 4


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on June 25, 2019, 04:19:46 PM
FFS.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on June 25, 2019, 09:34:24 PM
Had blocked out the two semi finals days from my work calendar, in order to book the day off I needed...perhaps I needant have bothered!

So who would people replace Vince with, since it’s widely speclulated that he has to go now?

As a Kent supporter, I would say Denly!



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: KarmaDope on June 25, 2019, 09:42:43 PM
Had blocked out the two semi finals days from my work calendar, in order to book the day off I needed...perhaps I needant have bothered!

So who would people replace Vince with, since it’s widely speclulated that he has to go now?

As a Kent supporter, I would say Denly!



For one game only?

Hales.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on June 26, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
Roy on 1 leg


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on June 26, 2019, 09:57:52 AM
Hales is persona non grata

Denly not good enough. Competent but not an international opener

Vince incapable of not wafting airily against the moving ball (great on flat tracks, which Edgaston next should be) but we are stuck with him until Roy is fit

If Stokes was to miss out its a really tough player to replace.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
 https://twitter.com/emceetwit/status/1143974465027506176

In respnse to which, Nelly posted....


Christ alive

Not sure I'd trust Pak for 311 bucks, never mind 311k



(http://i.imgur.com/z02vnVr.jpg) (https://imgur.com/z02vnVr)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nellberg on June 29, 2019, 07:00:21 AM
Roy on 1 leg

Think we have to do this on Sunday vs India. If it ends up making his hammy worse and he's out for a few weeks after then replace him in the squad with Hales (Morgan back-tracked slightly during the week about him, so there seems more chance of that happened then a few weeks back).

Continuing with Vince against Bumrah and Shami in their current form is a huge risk, confidence (or lack of it) must be an issue.

Other options within the squad would be open with Moeen (looks out of nick also) and go 3 spinners since Edgbaston turned loads last game, or swap Vince with Root to take the heat off slightly. But Roy on 1 leg seems the best for me


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on June 29, 2019, 10:42:38 AM
^ fresh pitch tomorrow, last one was used.

still will be slow but got to take the chance on Roy


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on June 29, 2019, 11:02:42 AM
^ fresh pitch tomorrow, last one was used.

still will be slow but got to take the chance on Roy

I don’t necessarily disagree but it is amazing if it is the best plan we have. Do we know if he can run? Surely he isn’t allowed a sub in the field for a pre-existing condition.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on June 29, 2019, 11:04:47 AM
He was running on and off with the drinks the other day and has been having a knock in the nets.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on June 30, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
Nice to see the real England back today.

Bring on the Kiwis!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on June 30, 2019, 08:42:19 PM
Nice to see the real England back today.

Bring on the Kiwis!

Probably one of the first times ever Pakistan were rooting for India to win!  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on July 11, 2019, 10:44:55 AM

Oh my, what a start.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 11, 2019, 12:03:32 PM
Probably a stupid question but I’ll ask anyway, if anyone has a spare ticket for the final hit me up please as I’m in London this weekend anyway  ;indestructable;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 11, 2019, 05:12:49 PM
stat.........

England have scored 2670 runs against Australia at Edgbaston since the Aussies last won an International match in Birmingham.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 11, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
hey @tighty, can you temp ban tikay for the final?  He just can't help himself; see how quickly he was out with the attempted bok earlier.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on July 11, 2019, 06:21:14 PM
hey @tighty, can you temp ban tikay for the final?  He just can't help himself; see how quickly he was out with the attempted bok earlier.

:D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: aaron1867 on July 11, 2019, 10:52:25 PM
Kinda daft question, but what’s the average time for a match? Got tix, but also have engagement later on...


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on July 11, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 11, 2019, 11:01:01 PM
Kinda daft question, but what’s the average time for a match? Got tix, but also have engagement later on...

How much u want for the ticket? Not joking......completely serious.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on July 11, 2019, 11:03:26 PM
Kinda daft question, but what’s the average time for a match? Got tix, but also have engagement later on...

How much u want for the ticket?

£200 and a second remoan vote!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 11, 2019, 11:09:30 PM
Kinda daft question, but what’s the average time for a match? Got tix, but also have engagement later on...

How much u want for the ticket?

£200 and a second remoan vote!

I’ve taken blondes to sick days at Trent Bridge on ashes games before when I had spare tix. This is that one moment when a bit of pay back would mean a lot to me as a true England cricket fan all my life  ;esochomp;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: aaron1867 on July 12, 2019, 01:21:03 AM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?

Erm, I didn’t see Woodsey’s post tbh. Only requested these tickets a few hours ago because I happen to be in London from tomorrow.

Just unsure I can sit through the match, but also know it’s one of those I was there moments! But genuinely never watched a match in my life.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 12, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
Kinda daft question, but what’s the average time for a match? Got tix, but also have engagement later on...

These scroungers don't even answer your question.  Should be done about 6.   50 overs should take less than 3.5 hours, think lunch is about 45 minutes.   If it rains, things can change and you could be there significantly later.

ps Any tickets?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 12, 2019, 08:47:04 AM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?

Erm, I didn’t see Woodsey’s post tbh. Only requested these tickets a few hours ago because I happen to be in London from tomorrow.

Just unsure I can sit through the match, but also know it’s one of those I was there moments! But genuinely never watched a match in my life.

Sell it to me!!!  ;djinn;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on July 12, 2019, 09:01:08 AM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?

Erm, I didn’t see Woodsey’s post tbh. Only requested these tickets a few hours ago because I happen to be in London from tomorrow.

Just unsure I can sit through the match, but also know it’s one of those I was there moments! But genuinely never watched a match in my life.


Either Woodsey not even looking in the right place if non cricketing Aaron only got them a few hours ago, or Aaron telling remainer lies..... :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 12, 2019, 09:08:40 AM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?

Erm, I didn’t see Woodsey’s post tbh. Only requested these tickets a few hours ago because I happen to be in London from tomorrow.

Just unsure I can sit through the match, but also know it’s one of those I was there moments! But genuinely never watched a match in my life.


Either Woodsey not even looking in the right place if non cricketing Aaron only got them a few hours ago, or Aaron telling remainer lies..... :D

If there is a place selling them for less than a grand let me know please!  rotflmfao


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on July 12, 2019, 09:12:15 AM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?

Erm, I didn’t see Woodsey’s post tbh. Only requested these tickets a few hours ago because I happen to be in London from tomorrow.

Just unsure I can sit through the match, but also know it’s one of those I was there moments! But genuinely never watched a match in my life.


Either Woodsey not even looking in the right place if non cricketing Aaron only got them a few hours ago, or Aaron telling remainer lies..... :D

If there is a place selling them for less than a grand let me know please!  rotflmfao

Exactly. Cant see our remoaning friend just being able to pick up a ticket the way he said, especially at those prices.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: aaron1867 on July 12, 2019, 10:16:12 AM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?

Erm, I didn’t see Woodsey’s post tbh. Only requested these tickets a few hours ago because I happen to be in London from tomorrow.

Just unsure I can sit through the match, but also know it’s one of those I was there moments! But genuinely never watched a match in my life.

Let me set the scene for you Adz.

Imagine you used to own an VIP events company. Through that company you had a ticket provider, over a three year period that ticket provider earns £250k in booking fees. Not huge, but significant. Imagine not only that time, that this person has contacts with VISA, Sky, Adidas, Vauxhall & munch more. I’d say there’s a good chance of them being to be able to grab a few tickets. I do believe that they also got tix for Liverpool/Spurs, England/Croatia, France/Croatia and so on.

Imagine that. I’m not here to try and troll Woodsey just because we have disagreed elsewhere.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 12, 2019, 10:49:03 AM
remoaner got a lords final ticket and doesn't even know the length of the match roughly!!!!  Woodsey is going to love that rub.   Must be a level on Woodsey's previous post right?

Erm, I didn’t see Woodsey’s post tbh. Only requested these tickets a few hours ago because I happen to be in London from tomorrow.

Just unsure I can sit through the match, but also know it’s one of those I was there moments! But genuinely never watched a match in my life.

Let me set the scene for you Adz.

Imagine you used to own an VIP events company. Through that company you had a ticket provider, over a three year period that ticket provider earns £250k in booking fees. Not huge, but significant. Imagine not only that time, that this person has contacts with VISA, Sky, Adidas, Vauxhall & munch more. I’d say there’s a good chance of them being to be able to grab a few tickets. I do believe that they also got tix for Liverpool/Spurs, England/Croatia, France/Croatia and so on.

Imagine that. I’m not here to try and troll Woodsey just because we have disagreed elsewhere.

The right thing to do is sell me your ticket, we both know it!  ;yippee;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on July 12, 2019, 01:43:00 PM
Should definitely flog Woodsey the ticket, or even better, go together :)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 12, 2019, 01:58:21 PM
Should definitely flog Woodsey the ticket, or even better, go together :)

looking forward to the trip report.   Aaron did mention that he was considering voting for the Brexit party, all we need now is Woodsey to bring along his Quran.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on July 12, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
Should definitely flog Woodsey the ticket, or even better, go together :)

looking forward to the trip report.   Aaron did mention that he was considering voting for the Brexit party, all we need now is Woodsey to bring along his Quran.

:D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 12, 2019, 05:23:02 PM
Am literally up for anything if someone can sort me a ticket!  ;pokergods;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on July 12, 2019, 05:32:30 PM
Am literally up for anything if someone can sort me a ticket!  ;pokergods;

Remember this when we all wonder why woodsey voted remain in a second referendum


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 12, 2019, 05:42:59 PM
Am literally up for anything if someone can sort me a ticket!  ;pokergods;

Remember this when we all wonder why woodsey voted remain in a second referendum

Done.....and you can choose who I vote for at the next GE  ;esochomp;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 12, 2019, 10:44:27 PM
The begging and pestering far and wide persevered, I will be at the final. Other than a RWC final with England playing, I can’t think of another sporting event I would want to attend more.
England World Cup final at Lords.....my life is not far from complete, not sure that chance will come around again in my lifetime  ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty;

Hope we win  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 12, 2019, 11:28:25 PM
Aaron, I’ll buy you a beer minimum. Let’s find a way to shout each other up and say hello 😊


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on July 12, 2019, 11:38:20 PM
The begging and pestering far and wide persevered, I will be at the final. Other than a RWC final with England playing, I can’t think of another sporting event I would want to attend more.
England World Cup final at Lords.....my life is not far from complete, not sure that chance will come around again in my lifetime  ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty;

Hope we win  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Happy days, should be great, I love Lords


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Mark_Porter on July 13, 2019, 09:40:26 AM
Aaron, I’ll buy you a beer minimum. Let’s find a way to shout each other up and say hello 😊

Please do this and post a pic :-) Glad you got a ticket


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 13, 2019, 12:53:48 PM
don't be late tomorrow

quick game is a good un



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on July 13, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
The begging and pestering far and wide persevered, I will be at the final. Other than a RWC final with England playing, I can’t think of another sporting event I would want to attend more.
England World Cup final at Lords.....my life is not far from complete, not sure that chance will come around again in my lifetime  ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty;

Hope we win  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Happy days.

Enjoy, mate!

+1 to pic :)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on July 13, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
If we win tomorrow I wonder if there will be a pitch invasion? I imagine they’ll want to present the trophy on the pitch so will have hundreds of security around the perimeter. But I do miss the days of charging onto the pitch at the end, and players chucking their stuff off the balcony for fans.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 13, 2019, 04:09:48 PM
If we win tomorrow I wonder if there will be a pitch invasion? I imagine they’ll want to present the trophy on the pitch so will have hundreds of security around the perimeter. But I do miss the days of charging onto the pitch at the end, and players chucking their stuff off the balcony for fans.

Think fans are too well schooled these days, wouldn’t be surprised if there was a streaker though, won’t be me mind you  ;bumwiggle;  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on July 14, 2019, 07:55:41 AM
The begging and pestering far and wide persevered, I will be at the final. Other than a RWC final with England playing, I can’t think of another sporting event I would want to attend more.
England World Cup final at Lords.....my life is not far from complete, not sure that chance will come around again in my lifetime  ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty;

Hope we win  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Result.

Enjoy!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on July 14, 2019, 08:15:15 AM
Raining where I am in South London at the moment...should clear up soon hopefully.

If anyone fancies a little bet for interest Betway have boosted Roy to get a half-century to 3/1.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 14, 2019, 08:28:39 AM
Raining where I am in South London at the moment...should clear up soon hopefully.

If anyone fancies a little bet for interest Betway have boosted Roy to get a half-century to 3/1.

Staying not far from Lords and raining here too. Weather report seems to suggest all will be good.  :)

Aaron PM me and we’ll fix up a quick ale at a suitable time....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 14, 2019, 11:44:51 AM
Yup, attempted streaker  :D

A bird with big tits, she had barely got over the barrier and had half a tit hanging out before she got rugby tackled good and proper by one of the burley security team, happened right in front of me  ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 14, 2019, 12:05:29 PM
Yup, attempted streaker  :D

A bird with big tits, she had barely got over the barrier and had half a tit hanging out before she got rugby tackled good and proper by one of the burley security team, happened right in front of me  ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee;

Best seat in the house then.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on July 14, 2019, 12:55:11 PM
It was that vitally uncensored porno site again!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 14, 2019, 04:08:41 PM
Aaron, where are you mate? Not heard a dickiebird.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 14, 2019, 06:03:29 PM
Aaron, where are you mate? Not heard a dickiebird.....

I think I spotted him in the royal box at Wimbledon.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on July 14, 2019, 06:29:55 PM
Our strength is batting so why prepare a green wicket favouring the bowlers?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: booder on July 14, 2019, 07:05:00 PM
Enjoying it Woodsey ?

Sure getting your money's worth.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on July 14, 2019, 07:22:19 PM
Some last over, and a good super-over.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ledders on July 14, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
Two grand for a ticket looks like a steal right now


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 14, 2019, 07:36:32 PM
Kinda daft question, but what’s the average time for a match? Got tix, but also have engagement later on...

These scroungers don't even answer your question.  Should be done about 6.   50 overs should take less than 3.5 hours, think lunch is about 45 minutes.   If it rains, there is a tie and a super over, things can change and you could be there significantly later.

ps Any tickets?

FYP

Did you make your appointment?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: 4KSuited on July 14, 2019, 07:44:39 PM
Yup, attempted streaker  :D

A bird with big tits, she had barely got over the barrier and had half a tit hanging out before she got rugby tackled good and proper by one of the burley security team, happened right in front of me  ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee;

You live a charmed life, Woodsey

Hope you’re well into the post-match celebrations, lad


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 14, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
30+ years watching English cricket. Not too proud to admit I shed a tear as Buttler took the bails off.

Incredible match, played in fantastic spirit by two great teams.

I loved the moment Guptill signalled 6 immediately when Boult's foot touched the rope as he took the catch. Just incredible sportmanship.

Sensational stuff!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on July 14, 2019, 09:33:55 PM

An extraordinary moment in an extraordinary game;


https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1279087/cwc19-final-nz-v-eng-deflection-off-the-bat-gives-england-six-


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on July 14, 2019, 09:35:15 PM

....and another;


https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1279075


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: The Camel on July 14, 2019, 09:57:05 PM
“Eoin, do you think you had the luck of the Irish with you today?”

[Laughing] “Well, Adil said we had Allah on our side too, so we had that as well. It’s the rub of the green.

“It’s also reflective of our team; we’re a diverse side & we brought that togethr today.”


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on July 14, 2019, 10:33:33 PM
“Eoin, do you think you had the luck of the Irish with you today?”

[Laughing] “Well, Adil said we had Allah on our side too, so we had that as well. It’s the rub of the green.

“It’s also reflective of our team; we’re a diverse side & we brought that togethr today.”

He's a great leader and that sums him up pretty well


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 14, 2019, 10:44:35 PM
https://twitter.com/HaiderAkhtar1/status/1150482891434024960?s=19

Brilliant


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on July 14, 2019, 10:47:11 PM
https://twitter.com/HaiderAkhtar1/status/1150482891434024960?s=19

Brilliant

Eject. Eject.

Com :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on July 14, 2019, 11:06:53 PM

An extraordinary moment in an extraordinary game;


https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1279087/cwc19-final-nz-v-eng-deflection-off-the-bat-gives-england-six-

Enjoyed that so much! NZ were amazing sports and were so so unlucky not to win today, but I will treasure this victory and really hope it boosts interest in the game in the UK.

Regarding the fluked six, if you had to guess the odds of that happening where would you put it? Million to 1, billion to 1?

I’ve never seen or heard of that before...anyone else?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 15, 2019, 12:14:36 AM
Pretty drunk and didn’t make it home and am staying at some shit B&B by kings Cross........happy we won but will catch up with you all tomorrow.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 15, 2019, 12:21:19 AM
“Eoin, do you think you had the luck of the Irish with you today?”

[Laughing] “Well, Adil said we had Allah on our side too, so we had that as well. It’s the rub of the green.

“It’s also reflective of our team; we’re a diverse side & we brought that togethr today.”

I’m sure Buddha was included to represent obese people like myself and those worse than me....  ;yippee;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on July 15, 2019, 12:23:46 AM
Pretty drunk and didn’t make it home and am staying at some shit B&B by kings Cross........happy we won but will catch up with you all tomorrow.

You should be staying in the Ritz at walk in rate you posh wannabe DM reader!!!  You will never get luckier to win a WC than that.   Made John wilko'd drop goal seem like a tap in how golden England were today!!!!   


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: cambridgealex on July 15, 2019, 07:49:32 AM
arrboy do you know betfair exchange rule on match odds bets when game is decided by super over? Hearing different opinions. If anyone can quote or screenshot the betfair exchange rule that would help a lot. I can't find one that references super overs.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 15, 2019, 08:13:23 AM
arrboy do you know betfair exchange rule on match odds bets when game is decided by super over? Hearing different opinions. If anyone can quote or screenshot the betfair exchange rule that would help a lot. I can't find one that references super overs.

I think you could bet on the tie, as the betting of the result of the game was suspended going into the super over, and you could bet on the super over separately.   I flicked on to check the odds at the time.   I can't be absolutely sure on what was on the match prices, just know they were sudpended.   Suspect any specific rules were in the betting info for the match betting market.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: peejaytwo on July 15, 2019, 08:36:59 AM

For the avoidance of doubt, if scores are tied at the completion of both innings in the Super Over then the market will be settled as a Dead Heat. Any tie breaker that may be used to determine a winner including but not limited to higher number of boundaries, higher number of sixes, losing fewer wickets, coin toss etc. do not count for the purposes of this market.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on July 15, 2019, 08:53:55 AM
https://twitter.com/HaiderAkhtar1/status/1150482891434024960?s=19

Brilliant

As one poster commented


Purely for the cameras, on it big style once they were in the dressing room!  ;D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 15, 2019, 11:25:15 AM
https://twitter.com/HaiderAkhtar1/status/1150482891434024960?s=19

Brilliant

As one poster commented


Purely for the cameras, on it big style once they were in the dressing room!  ;D

I have seen Rashid duck out of alcohol celebrations before; pretty sure it was in the last 12 months.   Fair play to them, clearly both are well respected in the team. 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: aaron1867 on July 15, 2019, 12:59:10 PM
The most surprising thing about yesterday was the amount of empty seats!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 15, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
The most surprising thing about yesterday was the amount of empty seats!

You should have turned up then!  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Longines on July 15, 2019, 02:37:32 PM
Watched the last 25 overs with my sons, one can't stand cricket, the other can't stand sport. The latter had googled the full super over rules with 18 balls to go, the pair of them were celebrating like demented loons by the end.

Just amazing.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Cavey007 on July 15, 2019, 02:59:08 PM

An extraordinary moment in an extraordinary game;


https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1279087/cwc19-final-nz-v-eng-deflection-off-the-bat-gives-england-six-

Enjoyed that so much! NZ were amazing sports and were so so unlucky not to win today, but I will treasure this victory and really hope it boosts interest in the game in the UK.

Regarding the fluked six, if you had to guess the odds of that happening where would you put it? Million to 1, billion to 1?

I’ve never seen or heard of that before...anyone else?

It used to happen quite regularly, I say regularly, probably not but I had seen it before and I don't watch a whole lot of cricket any more, but teams got more athletic and it's rare these days. 999/1000 he'd have thrown it to his team mate, but I think it was just the pressure of the moment, knowing that catch essentially won them the world cup, just concentrated on holding on to it rather than where he was on the field, complete brain fart moment


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on July 15, 2019, 06:09:04 PM

An extraordinary moment in an extraordinary game;


https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1279087/cwc19-final-nz-v-eng-deflection-off-the-bat-gives-england-six-

Enjoyed that so much! NZ were amazing sports and were so so unlucky not to win today, but I will treasure this victory and really hope it boosts interest in the game in the UK.

Regarding the fluked six, if you had to guess the odds of that happening where would you put it? Million to 1, billion to 1?

I’ve never seen or heard of that before...anyone else?

It used to happen quite regularly, I say regularly, probably not but I had seen it before and I don't watch a whole lot of cricket any more, but teams got more athletic and it's rare these days. 999/1000 he'd have thrown it to his team mate, but I think it was just the pressure of the moment, knowing that catch essentially won them the world cup, just concentrated on holding on to it rather than where he was on the field, complete brain fart moment


He DID throw it to a team-mate (who caught it), he just did not throw it soon enough, his feet had already touched the boundary rope.

It's not an uncommon thing, it was the context that made it so dramatic.  


https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1279075



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 15, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
I’m in the first pic on the left, blue hat  :D

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/791842/Cricket-World-Cup-final-streaker-Vitaly-Uncensored-England-New-Zealand

Better one  :D

https://www.givemesport.com/1489766-cricket-world-cup-final-at-lords-disrupted-by-vitaly-uncensored-pitch-invader


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on July 15, 2019, 07:39:27 PM
Sorry, when I said fluked six I meant the 4 overthrows off the bat. The odds of that happening? I read today that because they hadn’t crossed for the second run, only 5 should have been awarded. More luck going england’s way  :)up ;mexicanwave;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 15, 2019, 08:08:01 PM
Sorry, when I said fluked six I meant the 4 overthrows off the bat. The odds of that happening? I read today that because they hadn’t crossed for the second run, only 5 should have been awarded. More luck going england’s way  :)up ;mexicanwave;

But they had crossed - Stokes was on the second run and diving for the crease when the ball hit his bat.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on July 15, 2019, 08:17:54 PM
Sorry, when I said fluked six I meant the 4 overthrows off the bat. The odds of that happening? I read today that because they hadn’t crossed for the second run, only 5 should have been awarded. More luck going england’s way  :)up ;mexicanwave;

But they had crossed - Stokes was on the second run and diving for the crease when the ball hit his bat.

It's when the ball was thrown that counts (19.8 of the MCC rulebook, apparently).


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: horseplayer on July 15, 2019, 08:26:26 PM
get in


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on July 15, 2019, 08:29:00 PM

It's easy to see where the confusion arises;


https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1279087/cwc19-final-nz-v-eng-deflection-off-the-bat-gives-england-six-


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 15, 2019, 08:53:29 PM
If only they had VAR


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on July 15, 2019, 09:01:56 PM
Thing is, if Stokes knew we needed 3 off the last ball, he'd have swung properly and clubbed it away for four.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on July 15, 2019, 09:29:36 PM
I’m in the first pic on the left, blue hat  :D

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/791842/Cricket-World-Cup-final-streaker-Vitaly-Uncensored-England-New-Zealand

Better one  :D

https://www.givemesport.com/1489766-cricket-world-cup-final-at-lords-disrupted-by-vitaly-uncensored-pitch-invader

For years I've thought I knew who you were from some trips to DtD.

I now realise I didn't.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on July 15, 2019, 10:23:11 PM
Thing is, if Stokes knew we needed 3 off the last ball, he'd have swung properly and clubbed it away for four.


Absolutely this.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on July 16, 2019, 06:56:08 AM
Thing is, if Stokes knew we needed 3 off the last ball, he'd have swung properly and clubbed it away for four.


Absolutely this.

Not really this. As soon as we go down the ‘if/then’ route we have to start considering. If Ross Taylor hadn’t got one of the poorer LBW’s of the tournament, if Erasmus hadn’t had a shocker with Roy first ball, if Boult (a very capable and switched on outfielder) hadn’t inexplicably switched off at the key moment, if Stokes hadn’t (completely by accident) deflected the ball for four ot’s, if the umpires had implemented the overthrow rule correctly......

I’d rather just say, two excellent teams, game played in absolutely the right spirit (what a great example to set). Stokes was incredible, England are a great side and are absolutely deserved WC winners.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on July 16, 2019, 07:02:18 AM
Thing is, if Stokes knew we needed 3 off the last ball, he'd have swung properly and clubbed it away for four.


Absolutely this.

Not really this. As soon as we go down the ‘if/then’ route we have to start considering. If Ross Taylor hadn’t got one of the poorer LBW’s of the tournament, if Erasmus hadn’t had a shocker with Roy first ball, if Boult (a very capable and switched on outfielder) hadn’t inexplicably switched off at the key moment, if Stokes hadn’t (completely by accident) deflected the ball for four ot’s, if the umpires had implemented the overthrow rule correctly......there are more. Only then can we say Stokes would have been better off needing 3, than needing 2 (which is quite a stretch to begin with).

I’d rather just say, two excellent teams, game played in absolutely the right spirit (what a great example to set). Stokes was incredible, England are a great side and are absolutely deserved WC winners.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on July 16, 2019, 07:04:28 AM

mmm, Some sort of next level quote fail. Apologies to Mantis.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on July 16, 2019, 08:48:36 AM
Thing is, if Stokes knew we needed 3 off the last ball, he'd have swung properly and clubbed it away for four.


Absolutely this.

Not really this. As soon as we go down the ‘if/then’ route we have to start considering. If Ross Taylor hadn’t got one of the poorer LBW’s of the tournament, if Erasmus hadn’t had a shocker with Roy first ball, if Boult (a very capable and switched on outfielder) hadn’t inexplicably switched off at the key moment, if Stokes hadn’t (completely by accident) deflected the ball for four ot’s, if the umpires had implemented the overthrow rule correctly......

I’d rather just say, two excellent teams, game played in absolutely the right spirit (what a great example to set). Stokes was incredible, England are a great side and are absolutely deserved WC winners.

We probably don’t need to debate sporting outcomes in the same way as we do politics.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 16, 2019, 11:08:50 AM
:-)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 16, 2019, 11:17:10 AM
on the radio last night Vaughan reported that Stokes went up to Jofra Archer before the super over and said "this over will not define you as a cricketer"

Quite the rehabilitation from his off the field issues. key performances all tournament and a real team man it seems


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Ironside on July 16, 2019, 12:19:52 PM
I’m in the first pic on the left, blue hat  :D

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/791842/Cricket-World-Cup-final-streaker-Vitaly-Uncensored-England-New-Zealand

Better one  :D

https://www.givemesport.com/1489766-cricket-world-cup-final-at-lords-disrupted-by-vitaly-uncensored-pitch-invader

you look about 12 and why you wearing a team india hat to an england game


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 16, 2019, 07:18:44 PM
I’m in the first pic on the left, blue hat  :D

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/791842/Cricket-World-Cup-final-streaker-Vitaly-Uncensored-England-New-Zealand

Better one  :D

https://www.givemesport.com/1489766-cricket-world-cup-final-at-lords-disrupted-by-vitaly-uncensored-pitch-invader

you look about 12 and why you wearing a team india hat to an england game

India hat? You need your eyes testing mate......


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: engy on July 16, 2019, 09:49:47 PM
Facepaint??


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 16, 2019, 10:47:26 PM
Facepaint??

Transfer type things.....actually grazed one of my cheeks getting one of the fkers off  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 24, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
Bizarre team selection here.

Going in with 5 batsmen ( Denly???) and Moeen Ali who seems to have forgotten what a bat looks like.

A batsman light for sure, but good to see Sam Curran back involved.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 24, 2019, 12:04:27 PM
Bizarre team selection here.

Going in with 5 batsmen ( Denly???) and Moeen Ali who seems to have forgotten what a bat looks like.

A batsman light for sure, but good to see Sam Curran back involved.

recount requested on the number of batsmen?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on July 24, 2019, 12:16:51 PM
Bizarre team selection here.

Going in with 5 batsmen ( Denly???) and Moeen Ali who seems to have forgotten what a bat looks like.

A batsman light for sure, but good to see Sam Curran back involved.

recount requested on the number of batsmen?

Just been out for a run ( no sarky comments please, us fat lads have to try!) to return to this? What the absolute f..................


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on July 24, 2019, 12:19:36 PM
Bizarre team selection here.

Going in with 5 batsmen ( Denly???) and Moeen Ali who seems to have forgotten what a bat looks like.

A batsman light for sure, but good to see Sam Curran back involved.

recount requested on the number of batsmen?

Just been out for a run ( no sarky comments please, us fat lads have to try!) to return to this? What the absolute f..................

Haha, working from home today and just made a nice ham and cheese roll and cup of tea to sit down for an hour. Gonna see the 1st innings over before i do a little more work


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 24, 2019, 12:35:21 PM
World Champions  rotflmfao


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 24, 2019, 12:39:29 PM
different format

we do not have a top 3 in test match cricket

Burns and Denly not good enough

Roy is excellent but don't fancy him against a moving dukes ball in the Ashes. He is a superb flat track bully

stats

Since Strauss retired, only two england openers have test match averages of over 35. 18 England openers tried. they are Cook (retired) and Root (who isn't going to open)

In 40% of england test first innings since 2017 we have been 100-4 or worse. the middle order is mostly great and bails us out

but we need numbers 1,2,3

Sibley and Zak Crawley probably next cabs off the rank


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: horseplayer on July 24, 2019, 12:45:16 PM
anybody want to lay me 6/4 England for the ashes?



thought not


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 24, 2019, 12:53:20 PM
prices this morning were 4/5 England 15/8 Australia

think its closer than that, but both bowling attacks better than both batting sides

don't seemany draws, weather permitting!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 24, 2019, 01:15:16 PM
stat.

After 1938, England went 78 years without losing all 10 wickets in a single session. They have now lost 10 in a session 4 times in 3 years.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: horseplayer on July 24, 2019, 01:30:35 PM
Vaughan is of spouting his noise again anyway

almost certainly means England win the ashes easily


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on July 24, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
stat.

After 1938, England went 78 years without losing all 10 wickets in a single session. They have now lost 10 in a session 4 times in 3 years.

That's a great stat, if pressed I would have guessed it had never happened but i don't follow the game very closely these days.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 24, 2019, 07:05:32 PM
Ireland may have missed a trick in not claiming the extra half-hour.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2019, 12:28:07 PM
Jack Leach now has the highest Test average by an England opener since Andrew Strauss retired.

MJ Leach —  43.00
AN Cook —  42.52

(sample size of 1)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on July 25, 2019, 02:44:35 PM
Jack Leach now has the highest Test average by an England opener since Andrew Strauss retired.

MJ Leach —  43.00
AN Cook —  42.52

(sample size of 1)

clearly one of the 5?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2019, 03:23:18 PM
5?


stat

Jack Leach is just the second player to bat at number 11 and open the batting on the same day in Test cricket. Harry Butt was the other for England against South Africa at Port Elizabeth on 13 February 1896.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on July 25, 2019, 05:24:35 PM
Anyone need tickets for Saturday?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 26, 2019, 01:38:24 PM
Ireland making a right mess of this  ;yippee;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2019, 01:40:18 PM
woakes could not wish for better bowling conditions

nice new duke ball with enhanced seam, humid and overcast, worn pitch

away he goes


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
batting is a game wide problem by the way

stat

Wickets are falling every 50.7 deliveries in Test cricket this year. That is the lowest balls per wicket in a calendar year in Test history where balls faced have been recorded.


(impact of one day game on technique? duke balls with enhanced seams? drainage making more play on used pitches possible? etc etc)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2019, 01:50:05 PM
meanwhile This is on course to be the 10th Test in which both sides have been bowled out for under 100. And only the 4th since 1907.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;event=1;filter=advanced;groupby=match;orderby=start;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin1=2;qualmin2=2;qualval1=team_innings;qualval2=team_count;runsmax1=99;runsval1=runs;size=200;template=results;type=team


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2019, 01:59:16 PM
the seventh-lowest Test total of all time, and the lowest at Lord's (beating India's 42 in 1974)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Longines on July 26, 2019, 02:01:25 PM
Lowest test score since 1955.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: horseplayer on July 26, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
crisis

or not


(again)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2019, 02:56:51 PM
you don't think our batting is in crisis?

1,2,3 especially?

it absolutely is

no one has ever said we aren't an excellent and deep bowling side


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on July 26, 2019, 03:35:13 PM
Lowest test score since 1955.


Sort of shows why they shouldn't be a test team


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2019, 03:54:08 PM
of course they should

need to grow the game globally, and test status is essential to growing numbers grass roots and developing players

eventually they will progress as Bangladesh did.

same applies to Afghanistan

we should play a test every year against Ireland, due to geographical proximity, and helpthem progress


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on July 26, 2019, 03:57:08 PM
That's that then.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on July 26, 2019, 03:58:13 PM
of course they should

need to grow the game globally, and test status is essential to growing numbers grass roots and developing players

eventually they will progress as Bangladesh did.

same applies to Afghanistan

we should play a test every year against Ireland, due to geographical proximity, and helpthem progress

First time I’ve been able to agree with you on something for a while  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on July 26, 2019, 05:13:51 PM
of course they should

need to grow the game globally, and test status is essential to growing numbers grass roots and developing players

eventually they will progress as Bangladesh did.

same applies to Afghanistan

we should play a test every year against Ireland, due to geographical proximity, and helpthem progress

First time I’ve been able to agree with you on something for a while  :D

The end of a golden streak for Tighty. I agree with both of you, all the reasons Tighty gave and a special atmosphere surrounding this Test. I’d be pleased if they had it at Lords every year.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Skippy on July 26, 2019, 11:07:48 PM
of course they should

need to grow the game globally, and test status is essential to growing numbers grass roots and developing players

eventually they will progress as Bangladesh did.

same applies to Afghanistan

we should play a test every year against Ireland, due to geographical proximity, and help them progress

There's 162 million Bangladeshis, but only 6.5 million people who live on Ireland (I guess the Irish test team is run on an all-Ireland basis). They've only got so much room to grow, especially as they will leak players to England constantly.

I'd like some more teams like the West Indies (and not just in cricket). Why not have groups of small nations play together? A rest-of-europe team could become strong enough to beat a top test nation and I think would really develop cricket across the continent.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 02, 2019, 03:01:56 PM


This is quite something;


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/49206804


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 02, 2019, 09:23:29 PM
Only caught glimpses here and there as on holiday but this seems like a proper test match here.......grinding it out.

In other news I didn’t know you could buy a sky sports ‘mobile’ subscription, bought it yesterday and it’s either £6 or £11 a month depending on which channels you want. Seems a great deal and I might consider ditching the snide streams I sometimes watch in favour of this, no way I’m paying for their full TV sports package as I only watch rugby and cricket.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: sonour on August 03, 2019, 12:46:01 AM
Only caught glimpses here and there as on holiday but this seems like a proper test match here.......grinding it out.

In other news I didn’t know you could buy a sky sports ‘mobile’ subscription, bought it yesterday and it’s either £6 or £11 a month depending on which channels you want. Seems a great deal and I might consider ditching the snide streams I sometimes watch in favour of this, no way I’m paying for their full TV sports package as I only watch rugby and cricket.

You can just buy Rugby and Cricket now for your tv, not just mobile.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 03, 2019, 09:29:45 AM
Despite Burns' century yesterday, I still can't buy into him as a Test Opener.

Would you put yesterday's knock down to run good or talent?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: kukushkin88 on August 03, 2019, 09:37:10 AM
Despite Burns' century yesterday, I still can't buy into him as a Test Opener.

Would you put yesterday's knock down to run good or talent?

Playing and missing ~ 40 times can’t have happened often in a Test knock and amazing he survived the Lyon LBW which just looked absolutely out which ever way you look at it. Poor use of DRS from Australia all round, such a key thing to be good at in modern Test cricket.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 06, 2019, 12:23:07 PM
Please dear God let's hope the selectors show some balls.

Moeen Ali absolutely needs to be dropped.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 06, 2019, 12:39:40 PM
Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler
Foakes
Woakes
Archer if fit if not Curran S
Broad
Jack Leach

please

Roy isn't an opener, really he's a six in long form cricket because of technical deficiencies but can't fit him in there
Sibley is "Cook lite" or could be, occupies the crease, a top scoring opener in domestic cricket in an era where we don't have a myriad of choices
Denly isn't test class
Bairstow needs a spell back in red ball county cricket. Foakes is a better keeper and a tougher out at the moment
Leach as a left arm spinner should play with Moeen out of form with bat and ball
Archer for Anderson. Sam Curran if not fit


obviously we lost the toss at Edgbaston and Anderson got injured so we ran bad, but even so we are short of form and confidence in quite a few spots, hence changing Moeen and Bairstow for now



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: KarmaDope on August 06, 2019, 01:08:26 PM
The first thing we need to do is make sure the bloody pitch is a greentop swinging pitch before anything else!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on August 06, 2019, 02:43:29 PM
Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler
Foakes
Woakes
Archer if fit if not Curran S
Broad
Jack Leach

please

Roy isn't an opener, really he's a six in long form cricket because of technical deficiencies but can't fit him in there
Sibley is "Cook lite" or could be, occupies the crease, a top scoring opener in domestic cricket in an era where we don't have a myriad of choices
Denly isn't test class
Bairstow needs a spell back in red ball county cricket. Foakes is a better keeper and a tougher out at the moment
Leach as a left arm spinner should play with Moeen out of form with bat and ball
Archer for Anderson. Sam Curran if not fit


obviously we lost the toss at Edgbaston and Anderson got injured so we ran bad, but even so we are short of form and confidence in quite a few spots, hence changing Moeen and Bairstow for now



Losing the toss didn't cost us the game though. Letting Aus score at least 100 more runs than they should have in the first innings and then not scoring enough runs in our innings let the Aussies back into the game.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 06, 2019, 05:48:00 PM
Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler
Foakes
Woakes
Archer if fit if not Curran S
Broad
Jack Leach

please

Roy isn't an opener, really he's a six in long form cricket because of technical deficiencies but can't fit him in there
Sibley is "Cook lite" or could be, occupies the crease, a top scoring opener in domestic cricket in an era where we don't have a myriad of choices
Denly isn't test class
Bairstow needs a spell back in red ball county cricket. Foakes is a better keeper and a tougher out at the moment
Leach as a left arm spinner should play with Moeen out of form with bat and ball
Archer for Anderson. Sam Curran if not fit


obviously we lost the toss at Edgbaston and Anderson got injured so we ran bad, but even so we are short of form and confidence in quite a few spots, hence changing Moeen and Bairstow for now



This is much more like it.

Tighty, can you send your CV into the ECB please.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 09, 2019, 05:41:36 PM
Leach in for the hapless Moeen.

Straight fight between Archer and Curran for Jimmy's spot. Somehow, Denly retains his place.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 18, 2019, 02:47:06 PM
Hope we get bowled out for 230 here, they always bat too long before a declaration.......


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on August 18, 2019, 08:52:29 PM
I thought the declaration was spot on today.

Archer is something else. If he stays fit and plays for 10 years hes easily one of Englands greatest ever bowler.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 18, 2019, 10:59:44 PM
I thought the declaration was spot on today.

Archer is something else. If he stays fit and plays for 10 years hes easily one of Englands greatest ever bowler.

Too late for me as it always is. I’d had dragged them in as soon as Stokes got his 100.....

Agree about Archer, special bowler, I had the rugby and the cricket on yesterday and I couldn’t take my eyes off the cricket.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on August 19, 2019, 12:01:20 AM
Long time since I got quite as excited watching an English bowler, loved watching the whole attack in 2005, but Archer and Broad at times were just great to watch in this test. Thought Woakes was under bowled a bit when we got carried away with regularly doming them, fun as it was.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 19, 2019, 11:25:43 AM
great photo yesterday



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 20, 2019, 10:03:23 AM
I'm confused as to why the Aussies were allowed a concussion substitute in their second innings.

When Steve Smith returned to continue his innings after being struck by Archer and retiring hurt, surely that was a statement that he did not have concussion.

The Aussies seem to have had it both ways.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 20, 2019, 10:16:07 AM
He woke up the next morning feeling groggy, was tested again and there was a deterioration in his results

At that point he was ruled out of the match (fielding as well) and the Australians applied for a concussion substitute, which the match referee granted under the new rules.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AlbusFawkes on August 20, 2019, 10:18:51 AM
I'm confused as to why the Aussies were allowed a concussion substitute in their second innings.

When Steve Smith returned to continue his innings after being struck by Archer and retiring hurt, surely that was a statement that he did not have concussion.

The Aussies seem to have had it both ways.

Very blinkered view here. Medical diagnosis is not always black & white. It is very likely that the full after effects of the blow were not felt until later that evening (after the adrenalin had subsided). To me, the doctor should not have let him resume, but I suspect it was Smith that insisted.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 20, 2019, 10:30:49 AM
Smith can't insist.

Dr passed him on the afternoon it happened, failed him the morning after.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 20, 2019, 10:32:36 AM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: AlbusFawkes on August 20, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
Smith can't insist.

Dr passed him on the afternoon it happened, failed him the morning after.

Not suggesting he went against medical orders, but if I were captain I would not have let him go out again. It was such a severe blow to the base of the skull that concussion, if not immediately apparent, would have been almost inevitable.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 20, 2019, 12:08:44 PM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly

Now confirmed he will not play.

A great shame imo, but the correct decision.

The third Test will be much the worse for his absence.

 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49408323


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on August 20, 2019, 06:13:42 PM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly

Now confirmed he will not play.

A great shame imo, but the correct decision.

The third Test will be much the worse for his absence.

 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49408323

It is a shame, I hope he only misses one test as most supporters would want to see us (hopefully) beat them with him in the side I think.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 20, 2019, 06:23:04 PM
Smith can't insist.

Dr passed him on the afternoon it happened, failed him the morning after.

Need independent docs imo, find it hard to believe they won’t have their arm twisted....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 20, 2019, 06:38:48 PM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly

Now confirmed he will not play.

A great shame imo, but the correct decision.

The third Test will be much the worse for his absence.

 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49408323

It is a shame, I hope he only misses one test as most supporters would want to see us (hopefully) beat them with him in the side I think.

Very much this.

He's quite extraordinary to watch, too. Most batsman, when they play & miss, or play a false or mistimed shot, sort of "air practice" the shot afterwards. Not Smith, he does these weird jabs, swats, stabs & hoiks with his bat which have no relevance to anything.

Then he has all those little tics, touches both pads, thigh pads, box, shirt sleeve, helmet, & so on.

A psychiatrist would have a field day with him.

On top of which, he has a really weird technique, shuffling across every ball. He's almost always going to work the ball to leg, but it's a bugger to stop him. 

I thought I'd be all mardy & cross with him after Sandpapergate, but in fact I've loved watching him. 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 20, 2019, 06:44:06 PM

I've loved watching Archer, too. Oh my, what a talent he is.

Not so sure I like the idea of him hitting batsman in their upper body & head though, it scares the life out of me.

Every time I watch the replay of that ball that caught Smith in the neck I shudder. Then I heard the version with the stump microphones on. Yikes, that is so scary, & in some ways, he's maybe lucky.

Think I'd rather see full helmets, with those next extension things, compulsory. The last thing I want to see is someone seriously injured, especially in the head/neck area, on the cricket field.

Can you begin to imagine a cricket ball connecting with the side of your head or neck at 90+ mph? Does not bear thinking about.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 20, 2019, 09:06:30 PM
Is Smith as fidgety as Derek Randall?

There is an argument that because of compulsory helmets the batsmen no longer avoid fast bumpers proficiently.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on August 20, 2019, 09:07:20 PM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly

Now confirmed he will not play.

A great shame imo, but the correct decision.

The third Test will be much the worse for his absence.

 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49408323

It is a shame, I hope he only misses one test as most supporters would want to see us (hopefully) beat them with him in the side I think.

I don’t think anyone who celebrates our win in 2005 ever says “Wish McGrath hadn’t got injured”


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on August 20, 2019, 09:12:20 PM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly

Now confirmed he will not play.

A great shame imo, but the correct decision.

The third Test will be much the worse for his absence.

 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49408323

It is a shame, I hope he only misses one test as most supporters would want to see us (hopefully) beat them with him in the side I think.

I don’t think anyone who celebrates our win in 2005 ever says “Wish McGrath hadn’t got injured”

Yeah this; of course their first test victory was meaningless because Anderson got injured. :/


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on August 21, 2019, 10:32:26 AM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly

Now confirmed he will not play.

A great shame imo, but the correct decision.

The third Test will be much the worse for his absence.

 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49408323

It is a shame, I hope he only misses one test as most supporters would want to see us (hopefully) beat them with him in the side I think.

I don’t think anyone who celebrates our win in 2005 ever says “Wish McGrath hadn’t got injured”

Haha. That's true


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 22, 2019, 10:40:50 AM
Is Smith as fidgety as Derek Randall?

There is an argument that because of compulsory helmets the batsmen no longer avoid fast bumpers proficiently.

Loved watching Derek Randall, & he was a Premier League fidgeter for sure, though he never did those weird jabs, swats, & scythes with his bat after playing & missing that Smith does so inexplicably, almost as if he has Cricketers Tourettes.

Alan Knott was another, with the added peculiarity that he always had his handkerchief half hanging out of his left pocket.



(http://i.imgur.com/3uyrFv7.jpg) (https://imgur.com/3uyrFv7)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 22, 2019, 10:53:29 AM

Jofra Archer achieved the remarkable feat of a clean sweep of the back pages this morning, every single one runs a headline & photo on his prowess & how he's going to wreak havoc in the 3rd Test, accompanied, as always with newspaper headlines, by a variety of woeful puns.

And he may well do so, even though Headingley won't be as favourable a pitch for him as Lords, he seems to be the real deal, but God help him if he has a disappointing match, those very same newspapers will be in like a shot to crucify him as a failure. In fact I have a hunch newspapers prefer failure to success, it seems to suit their narrative better.

Meanwhile, delayed start today due to rain, but I believe it's stopped now, so maybe we'll get some play before Lunch. 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 22, 2019, 10:58:01 AM

Jofra Archer achieved the remarkable feat of a clean sweep of the back pages this morning, every single one runs a headline & photo on his prowess & how he's going to wreak havoc in the 3rd Test, accompanied, as always with newspaper headlines, by a variety of woeful puns.

And he may well do so, even though Headingley won't be as favourable a pitch for him as Lords, he seems to be the real deal, but God help him if he has a disappointing match, those very same newspapers will be in like a shot to crucify him as a failure. In fact I have a hunch newspapers prefer failure to success, it seems to suit their narrative better.

Meanwhile, delayed start today due to rain, but I believe it's stopped now, so maybe we'll get some play before Lunch. 

11.20 start apparently.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 22, 2019, 11:00:40 AM

Jofra Archer achieved the remarkable feat of a clean sweep of the back pages this morning, every single one runs a headline & photo on his prowess & how he's going to wreak havoc in the 3rd Test, accompanied, as always with newspaper headlines, by a variety of woeful puns.

And he may well do so, even though Headingley won't be as favourable a pitch for him as Lords, he seems to be the real deal, but God help him if he has a disappointing match, those very same newspapers will be in like a shot to crucify him as a failure. In fact I have a hunch newspapers prefer failure to success, it seems to suit their narrative better.

Meanwhile, delayed start today due to rain, but I believe it's stopped now, so maybe we'll get some play before Lunch. 

11.20 start apparently.

Excellent.

The forecast is iffy for today, sunshine & showers, but fine from tomorrow onwards.

It really would be rather jolly if England could win this one, though their flaky batting needs to improve.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 22, 2019, 11:06:41 AM

Root wins the toss & elects to bowl.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 22, 2019, 02:21:27 PM
Khawaja’s last 8 innings v Eng:

c Bairstow.
c Bairstow.
c Bairstow.
c Bairstow.
c Bairstow.
c Bairstow.
c Bairstow.
c Bairstow.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 22, 2019, 07:17:26 PM
Jofra gets his 5-fer, good work him.

That's all of tomorrow's back pages sorted.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on August 22, 2019, 07:30:05 PM

Ha, hold the back page, make that 6.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on August 23, 2019, 12:47:37 PM
I appreciate that this is test cricket, against a top quality attack. but i worry that Jofra, Broad and co arent good enough to keep digging these clowns with the bat out of trouble

just some awful shots


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 23, 2019, 02:49:42 PM
In Tests this year, a wicket falls every 52.6 balls. That's the lowest figure since 1910.

stat from before this match


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 24, 2019, 09:36:32 PM
Booked to go tomorrow, am I going to get an hour or will it be an all day nail biter? Ahhhh fk it.....  ;djinn; ;yippee;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on August 24, 2019, 10:02:37 PM
Booked to go tomorrow, am I going to get an hour or will it be an all day nail biter? Ahhhh fk it.....  ;djinn; ;yippee;

Joe Root legacy ton tomorrow to secure his captaincy i fancy.   He really needs to get his head down tomorrow and deliver a 300 ball ton.   Make Boycott proud.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on August 24, 2019, 10:03:11 PM
Booked to go tomorrow, am I going to get an hour or will it be an all day nail biter? Ahhhh fk it.....  ;djinn; ;yippee;

'It's not the despair: I can cope with the despair. It's the HOPE - that's what's killing me.'


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 24, 2019, 10:25:13 PM
Booked to go tomorrow, am I going to get an hour or will it be an all day nail biter? Ahhhh fk it.....  ;djinn; ;yippee;

'It's not the despair: I can cope with the despair. It's the HOPE - that's what's killing me.'

Some of the best days of cricket I’ve seen have been potential nail biters like this. Gotta suck up the risk of losing for the glory of winning! Been on both sides of it....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on August 25, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
Enjoy woodsey.   Would love to be there today.  Sounds amazing atmosphere on TMS.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 25, 2019, 01:10:11 PM
Enjoy woodsey.   Would love to be there today.  Sounds amazing atmosphere on TMS.

It is mate, it’s pretty tense but every run is being being cheered, every boundary like someone got their century.......trying not to get too excited as it’s still in the balance.  ;hide;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Chompy on August 25, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
Is there any point letting umpire's make decisions any more? Must be under 50% this cereal?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 25, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
WOW  ;bumwiggle;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: booder on August 25, 2019, 04:24:32 PM
Woodsey is blessed.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Chompy on August 25, 2019, 04:26:21 PM
Just incred.

Question is do England have to win the Ashes in order for Stokes to win POTY?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on August 25, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
No he already won them the world Cup.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on August 25, 2019, 04:40:34 PM
Just incred.

Question is do England have to win the Ashes in order for Stokes to win POTY?


No. Game over......surely.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 25, 2019, 05:18:19 PM
That was just insane, thought we were dead in the water when we were about 100 out: Arise Sir Ben Stokes! That was nearly as good as the world cup, I need a lie down now  ;danafish;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 25, 2019, 05:26:30 PM
That was just insane, thought we were dead in the water when we were about 100 out: Arise Sir Ben Stokes! That was nearly as good as the world cup, I need a lie down now  ;danafish;

I thought I saw you in the crowd - that was before I heard you were there - so it's possible you may see yourself on the highlights.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: verndog158 on August 25, 2019, 05:26:54 PM
That was just insane, thought we were dead in the water when we were about 100 out: Arise Sir Ben Stokes! That was nearly as good as the world cup, I need a lie down now  ;danafish;

Better than the World Cup for me. Absolutely incredible


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 25, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
What price were England when Leach came to the crease?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on August 25, 2019, 07:38:39 PM
What price were England when Leach came to the crease?

It was 1.03/1.04 Australia not long after he came in.  Couldn't tell you England's price.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on August 25, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
Smith is still not training today by the way, Headingley test in 48 hours so not looking good for him sadly

Now confirmed he will not play.

A great shame imo, but the correct decision.

The third Test will be much the worse for his absence.

 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49408323

It is a shame, I hope he only misses one test as most supporters would want to see us (hopefully) beat them with him in the side I think.

Most Emgland supporters now crying into their beer.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 25, 2019, 07:53:55 PM
It was an amazing bounce-back by Stokes after getting out in the first innings in a truly diabolical manner.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on August 25, 2019, 08:11:19 PM
Anybody still wishing Steve Smith had been fit?

Didn’t think so  ;)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on August 25, 2019, 10:03:06 PM
What a time to  book a Sunday lunch with friends on a BH weekend ......ending up with half the restaurant crowded around sky sports on my phone 😀👊👊


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: DropTheHammer on August 26, 2019, 07:33:30 AM
What a fantastic day of Cricket yesterday! The closest innings I have ever seen to that was by Matt Coles when he played for Kent in the quarter final of the one-day cup. He kept bludgeoning boundary after boundary on what seemed like a lost cause, refusing any singles to protect the tail.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/914369.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/914369.html)

That was on a much smaller stage than yesterday, and Unfortunately a losing cause too.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on August 26, 2019, 07:36:58 AM
Just incred.

Question is do England have to win the Ashes in order for Stokes to win POTY?


No. Game over......surely.

1/4 best price left.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 26, 2019, 09:16:40 AM
Back and front page of most newspapers today......I seemed to have managed to forget how to post pics again  ;tracet;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 26, 2019, 09:22:00 AM
That was one of the best innings I have witnessed. Serious concentration early on and his bat looked like it was missing a middle! He battled so hard and then took the responsibility with the tail with some glorious hitting.

I thought Bairstow's knock made a huge difference to the game. Came out with positive intent and put the pressure back onto the bowlers by trying to hit the ball and run hard. Their line during that partnership was poor and it allowed Stokes time to find some rhythm.

After running Buttler out, I thought his head might go but absolutely not. If anything, it fired him up.

Sensational stuff, can't wait for the next test!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 26, 2019, 09:53:15 AM
So Aussies I know are having a proper whinge at the LBW that wasn’t given late in the game  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on August 26, 2019, 10:33:02 AM
So Aussies I know are having a proper whinge at the LBW that wasn’t given late in the game  :D

Diddums. They wasted their last review on one that was so obviously Not Out. Tough tittie.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on August 26, 2019, 01:06:16 PM
So Aussies I know are having a proper whinge at the LBW that wasn’t given late in the game  :D

Diddums. They wasted their last review on one that was so obviously Not Out. Tough tittie.

One thing I have noticed in this series is the Aussies have gone back to their ridiculously excessive appealing, almost justice that Stokes was given not out, aside from the fact that they wasted a review on a bullshit call.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 26, 2019, 03:39:53 PM
There's a video knocking round social media of the TMS commentary box with Aggers, Cook and Glenn McGrath commentating. McGrath genuinely looked like he was going to vomit after Leach scampered the single.

Glorious.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on August 26, 2019, 08:42:33 PM
Joel Wilson seems to have had more decisions reversed on review than any umpire since Shakir Rama.

Will he be standing in any more tests this series?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on August 28, 2019, 12:53:45 AM
Good wind up  ;D

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPIjT-zdryY


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: BigAdz on August 28, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
Brilliant.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on August 28, 2019, 04:17:03 PM
A very pleasant 10 minutes spent with a coffee, cake and Aggers wind up. Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on September 03, 2019, 01:46:35 PM
What has Woakes done to deserve this?   He has been steady enough with the bat and ball this summer. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327)

Has he been struggling with an injury or similar? 


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Marky147 on September 03, 2019, 02:11:36 PM
Good wind up  ;D

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPIjT-zdryY

Com :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 03, 2019, 04:23:33 PM
What has Woakes done to deserve this?   He has been steady enough with the bat and ball this summer. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327)

Has he been struggling with an injury or similar? 

That’s brutal.....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 03, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
What has Woakes done to deserve this?   He has been steady enough with the bat and ball this summer. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327)

Has he been struggling with an injury or similar? 

That’s brutal.....

I think Woakes has been a bit under the admittedly pretty high standards he plays at these days - isn't this just more a horses for courses type thing, as happens a bit more often with bowlers


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on September 03, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
What has Woakes done to deserve this?   He has been steady enough with the bat and ball this summer. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327)

Has he been struggling with an injury or similar? 

That’s brutal.....

I think Woakes has been a bit under the admittedly pretty high standards he plays at these days - isn't this just more a horses for courses type thing, as happens a bit more often with bowlers

Heard Root interviewed earlier and he said that Overton is an Old Trafford bowler, plus he’s a bit taller than Woakes and will get more bounce. Added roughing up for Smith?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 05, 2019, 08:48:33 PM
Am there Saturday, hopefully my presence makes some more run good happen against the odds as other games I’ve been to recently  ;izimbra;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on September 05, 2019, 09:46:56 PM
What has Woakes done to deserve this?   He has been steady enough with the bat and ball this summer. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327)

Has he been struggling with an injury or similar? 

That’s brutal.....

I think Woakes has been a bit under the admittedly pretty high standards he plays at these days - isn't this just more a horses for courses type thing, as happens a bit more often with bowlers

Heard Root interviewed earlier and he said that Overton is an Old Trafford bowler, plus he’s a bit taller than Woakes and will get more bounce. Added roughing up for Smith?

Root looked totally lost and out of ideas today (and for most of the series) tbf and his batting won't keep him in a job forever at this rate.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 05, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
What has Woakes done to deserve this?   He has been steady enough with the bat and ball this summer. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327)

Has he been struggling with an injury or similar? 

That’s brutal.....

I think Woakes has been a bit under the admittedly pretty high standards he plays at these days - isn't this just more a horses for courses type thing, as happens a bit more often with bowlers

Heard Root interviewed earlier and he said that Overton is an Old Trafford bowler, plus he’s a bit taller than Woakes and will get more bounce. Added roughing up for Smith?

Root looked totally lost and out of ideas today (and for most of the series) tbf and his batting won't keep him in a job forever at this rate.

This is proving a really tough series for him. Was also thinking his job as skipper is going to come under pressure soon


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: arbboy on September 05, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
What has Woakes done to deserve this?   He has been steady enough with the bat and ball this summer.  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49566327)

Has he been struggling with an injury or similar?  

That’s brutal.....

I think Woakes has been a bit under the admittedly pretty high standards he plays at these days - isn't this just more a horses for courses type thing, as happens a bit more often with bowlers

Heard Root interviewed earlier and he said that Overton is an Old Trafford bowler, plus he’s a bit taller than Woakes and will get more bounce. Added roughing up for Smith?

Root looked totally lost and out of ideas today (and for most of the series) tbf and his batting won't keep him in a job forever at this rate.

This is proving a really tough series for him. Was also thinking his job as skipper is going to come under pressure soon

So many times he looked lost today.   He is faciing a one batsman team as well albeit a top class operator but his decisionss and body language recently seem like he is lost and it is clearly affecttiing his day job batting but that always works like that for all captains.   Its his field body language for me that is saying it more than most.   He has maybe been liviing off England's top two all time wicket takers and is strugglinig without jimmy.  


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: buzzharvey22 on September 06, 2019, 12:22:18 AM
There is no-one waiting to take the captaincy unfortunately. Stokes is pretty the only person guaranteed his place and he has too much responsibility already with the amount the team rely on him at the moment.

Maybe Broad


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 06, 2019, 04:55:47 AM
There is no-one waiting to take the captaincy unfortunately. Stokes is pretty the only person guaranteed his place and he has too much responsibility already with the amount the team rely on him at the moment.

Maybe Broad

Broad will be hanging his boots up soon, talk of it maybe even after this summer......


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Karabiner on September 07, 2019, 06:23:44 PM
I think we'd better send Woodsey to Old Trafford tomorrow..


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 07, 2019, 07:22:57 PM
I think we'd better send Woodsey to Old Trafford tomorrow..

Haha on the train home right now. If we were 0 down by end of play I would have stayed over and gone  ;yippee;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 07, 2019, 07:26:44 PM
Steve Smith is all I can say.......without him we would have won already. Pains me to say it but he is unbelievable batsman  ;ashamed;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: TightEnd on September 08, 2019, 10:24:29 AM
Steve Smith - 639 runs this series at 160 apiece - even more extraordinary considering what a historically tough era this is for batsmen

 Last year the average runs per wicket in Test cricket was 27 - the lowest for 61 years.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 08, 2019, 10:38:33 AM
Steve Smith is all I can say.......without him we would have won already. Pains me to say it but he is unbelievable batsman  ;ashamed;

I wish Steve Smith (as well as the way cricket has gone in the short forms) had been around when I was in my pomp as a club cricketer. Any pretence of trying to look 'correct' could have gone out the window and I could have fully focused on smashing it about in any style necessary and just carried on stacking* up the runs.

*Some license on the word stacking


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: HutchGF on September 08, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
Steve Smith is all I can say.......without him we would have won already. Pains me to say it but he is unbelievable batsman  ;ashamed;

I wish Steve Smith (as well as the way cricket has gone in the short forms) had been around when I was in my pomp as a club cricketer. Any pretence of trying to look 'correct' could have gone out the window and I could have fully focused on smashing it about in any style necessary and just carried on stacking* up the runs.

*Some license on the word stacking

I was thinking exactly the same. My coach at school was very much in the 'get in line, show the bowler the maker's name' style of batting coach. Steve Smith would have driven him insane!


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 04:47:56 PM
We like these nail biters, can we get out of jail again?  :o


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
Should have kept my trap shut  :'(


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 08, 2019, 05:38:31 PM
Should have kept my trap shut  :'(

Haha, pity the game has improved so much that slightly bad light can't save you any more. Mind you, cant see the Aussies being able to get these last 2 wickets in 22 overs. 1-1 going to the last.



Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 06:44:23 PM
Well it was Smith that beat us basically, sure they have a decent bowling outfit but it boiled down to Smith.

In all honestly if you had said to me at the start of the summer that we’d win the WC and lose the ashes but dramatically put up a fight for the latter I would have taken it.

Ok next, Rugby World Cup starts in 12 days, what a year of sport, phew  ;cheerleader; ;danafish;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
How the fk do I add pics here from imgur?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 08, 2019, 07:44:04 PM
How the fk do I add pics here from imgur?

Once they are on Imgur, select that photo, & on the right hand side of the page a selection of Links will appear.

You want the bottom one, which is headed;


Linked BBCode (message boards)


Just C & P the Link underneath that onto here, job done. Even I can manage that, so it can't be hard. (There's probably a much easier way, but you'll have to wait for some clever to come along & explain that).

You always managed to upload photos to blonde when on your travels, what has changed?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
How the fk do I add pics here from imgur?

Once they are on Imgur, select that photo, & on the right hand side of the page a selection of Links will appear.

You want the bottom one, which is headed;


Linked BBCode (message boards)


Just C & P the Link underneath that onto here, job done. Even I can manage that, so it can't be hard. (There's probably a much easier way, but you'll have to wait for some clever to come along & explain that).

You always managed to upload photos to blonde when on your travels, what has changed?

I lost photobucket basically they wanted to charge me a stupid amount of money. The imgur app (as opposed to the website) doesn’t have the same function and provide forum codes on the right as you mention. When I try to click that on their web version it just just puts me back to the app which doesn’t have that function.

Maybe if I delete the app?  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 08, 2019, 07:55:45 PM
How the fk do I add pics here from imgur?

Once they are on Imgur, select that photo, & on the right hand side of the page a selection of Links will appear.

You want the bottom one, which is headed;


Linked BBCode (message boards)


Just C & P the Link underneath that onto here, job done. Even I can manage that, so it can't be hard. (There's probably a much easier way, but you'll have to wait for some clever to come along & explain that).

You always managed to upload photos to blonde when on your travels, what has changed?

I lost photobucket basically they wanted to charge me a stupid amount of money. The imgur app (as opposed to the website) doesn’t have the same function and provide forum codes on the right as you mention. When I try to click that on their web version it just just puts me back to the app which doesn’t have that function.

Maybe if I delete the app?  ;carlocitrone;

Well for me, yes, I don't use Apps, I just the website.

If not, if you can PM or e-Mail me the photo, (probably not) I'll upload it for you.

I had the same problem with Photobucket, once they started charging I swapped to Imgur, & it works just fine for me. Red-Dog promised to teach me a better way, but after the 29th line of instructions, I fell asleep.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 08:19:32 PM
How the fk do I add pics here from imgur?

Once they are on Imgur, select that photo, & on the right hand side of the page a selection of Links will appear.

You want the bottom one, which is headed;


Linked BBCode (message boards)


Just C & P the Link underneath that onto here, job done. Even I can manage that, so it can't be hard. (There's probably a much easier way, but you'll have to wait for some clever to come along & explain that).

You always managed to upload photos to blonde when on your travels, what has changed?

I lost photobucket basically they wanted to charge me a stupid amount of money. The imgur app (as opposed to the website) doesn’t have the same function and provide forum codes on the right as you mention. When I try to click that on their web version it just just puts me back to the app which doesn’t have that function.

Maybe if I delete the app?  ;carlocitrone;

Well for me, yes, I don't use Apps, I just the website.

If not, if you can PM or e-Mail me the photo, (probably not) I'll upload it for you.

I had the same problem with Photobucket, once they started charging I swapped to Imgur, & it works just fine for me. Red-Dog promised to teach me a better way, but after the 29th line of instructions, I fell asleep.

Ok sussed it now. Am sure the ‘website’ works. Because I always use my iPad that is a ‘mobile website’ which now doesn’t work for pics. Any idea how I can just use the normal website and not the mobile ‘website’ from an iPad? I appreciate your IT skills are probably no better than mine and the answer will probably need to come from someone else  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 08:38:30 PM
If this works I’ve sussed it....

(http://kxxnpLX)

Nope lol


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 08, 2019, 08:44:54 PM

Err, this......


I appreciate your IT skills are probably no better than mine and the answer will probably need to come from someone else


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 08:49:03 PM

Err, this......


I appreciate your IT skills are probably no better than mine and the answer will probably need to come from someone else

Probably fair enough though?  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Hope you prove me wrong  :D


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 08, 2019, 08:57:57 PM

My IT skills are close to zero. As in the wrong side of zero.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2019, 08:59:14 PM

My IT skills are close to zero. As in the wrong side of zero.

Well it made me realise I’m not much better  ;ashamed;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: vegaslover on September 08, 2019, 10:00:17 PM
Steve Smith is all I can say.......without him we would have won already. Pains me to say it but he is unbelievable batsman  ;ashamed;

I wish Steve Smith (as well as the way cricket has gone in the short forms) had been around when I was in my pomp as a club cricketer. Any pretence of trying to look 'correct' could have gone out the window and I could have fully focused on smashing it about in any style necessary and just carried on stacking* up the runs.

*Some license on the word stacking

I was thinking exactly the same. My coach at school was very much in the 'get in line, show the bowler the maker's name' style of batting coach. Steve Smith would have driven him insane!
Not just batting. I used to get slated by the coaches at school for not being side on when bowling. Think I woulda been chucked outta school if i bowled like malinga or bumrah though


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 10, 2019, 01:59:21 PM
You tell them Geoffrey  :D

https://news.sky.com/story/geoff-boycott-knighthood-criticised-by-domestic-abuse-charities-11805954


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on September 10, 2019, 06:28:42 PM
You tell them Geoffrey  :D

https://news.sky.com/story/geoff-boycott-knighthood-criticised-by-domestic-abuse-charities-11805954

His quotes appear to have been taken from aninterview on Today on R4 this morning which dived into this.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on September 11, 2019, 10:38:00 AM
You tell them Geoffrey  :D

https://news.sky.com/story/geoff-boycott-knighthood-criticised-by-domestic-abuse-charities-11805954

Are you not just a bit uneasy about this?  I don't think the interview helped his cause; agressively raising your voice to one woman and dismissing another fairly offensively probably isn't the best strategy when you are trying to persuade the listeners that you aren't capable of domestic violence.  Expecting Boycott not to be beligerent in the circumstances is probably a stretch though. 

I'd be a bit meh, 20 years ago school before I heard the interview, but I don't really get why they made it a knighthood; there are lesser honours if you worry that the candidate might not fit the criteria for a knighthood.

Having said that, all kinds of scumbags get honours, but they are usually foung guilty afterwards.   


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on September 11, 2019, 11:37:45 AM
You tell them Geoffrey  :D

https://news.sky.com/story/geoff-boycott-knighthood-criticised-by-domestic-abuse-charities-11805954

Are you not just a bit uneasy about this?  I don't think the interview helped his cause; agressively raising your voice to one woman and dismissing another fairly offensively probably isn't the best strategy when you are trying to persuade the listeners that you aren't capable of domestic violence.  Expecting Boycott not to be beligerent in the circumstances is probably a stretch though. 

I'd be a bit meh, 20 years ago school before I heard the interview, but I don't really get why they made it a knighthood; there are lesser honours if you worry that the candidate might not fit the criteria for a knighthood.

Having said that, all kinds of scumbags get honours, but they are usually foung guilty afterwards.   

The case against him has been severely discredited in the intervening years. Including a suggestion that the woman in question had told others that she hurt her head in a fall, but used it to attempt to extract money from Boycott. Given the BBC’s stance on all things that may cause offence their continued employment of him suggests that they didn’t consider him to be guilty. Mind you, Stan Collymore still gets broadcasting gigs.

His K is for services to cricket, and it would be hard to make a case against his being deserving of that.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 11, 2019, 11:57:56 AM
You tell them Geoffrey  :D

https://news.sky.com/story/geoff-boycott-knighthood-criticised-by-domestic-abuse-charities-11805954

Are you not just a bit uneasy about this?  I don't think the interview helped his cause; agressively raising your voice to one woman and dismissing another fairly offensively probably isn't the best strategy when you are trying to persuade the listeners that you aren't capable of domestic violence.  Expecting Boycott not to be beligerent in the circumstances is probably a stretch though. 

I'd be a bit meh, 20 years ago school before I heard the interview, but I don't really get why they made it a knighthood; there are lesser honours if you worry that the candidate might not fit the criteria for a knighthood.

Having said that, all kinds of scumbags get honours, but they are usually foung guilty afterwards.   

Not at all, he’s done his time. Of course he’s going to be belligerent, he thinks he did nothing wrong and his ex tried to bribe him for a milly, if he wants to tell them to do one it’s completely his right.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on September 11, 2019, 04:10:23 PM
Not England cricket, but still worthwhile viewing.

https://twitter.com/olibellracing/status/1171782220517916672


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: ripple11 on September 12, 2019, 06:07:03 PM
Not England cricket, but still worthwhile viewing.

https://twitter.com/olibellracing/status/1171782220517916672

 ;tightend;


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 15, 2019, 09:30:45 PM
Got to be the best summer of cricket ever I reckon? Only 2005 comes close for me......


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on September 15, 2019, 10:29:36 PM
Got to be the best summer of cricket ever I reckon? Only 2005 comes close for me......

1981 was pretty special. I know it didn’t include the World Cup win, but it had pretty much everything else. Including Beefy.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 15, 2019, 10:35:30 PM
Got to be the best summer of cricket ever I reckon? Only 2005 comes close for me......

1981 was pretty special. I know it didn’t include the World Cup win, but it had pretty much everything else. Including Beefy.

Yeah, I was only 11 so barely remember it. It was 3 or 4 years after v Aus and WI I really started to remember stuff......


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Woodsey on September 15, 2019, 10:39:02 PM
Sounds like Beefy and Gower have been slung from sky for new blood. Beefy was a bit shit anyway and is only there for his name. I hope they don’t go down the box ticking route of employing Isa Guha, she has only made it because she is eye candy and isn’t that great and has no real credentials to commentate on the men’s game imo....


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: bunnydas8888 on September 16, 2019, 12:28:37 AM
Sounds like Beefy and Gower have been slung from sky for new blood. Beefy was a bit shit anyway and is only there for his name. I hope they don’t go down the box ticking route of employing Isa Guha, she has only made it because she is eye candy and isn’t that great and has no real credentials to commentate on the men’s game imo....

Both have been naff in recent years imo, beefy's drunken stories dried up & not much else going for him in terms of comms. Never really been a fan of gower myself for comms, but did have the occasional funny moment.

Isa is a weird one, I've actually quite liked her on TMS this summer, get the impression that she could be rather decent for comms, but depends on who she gets paired up with & what line they take


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Doobs on September 16, 2019, 01:11:53 AM
Have really enjoyed the cricket this summer too.  Australia were the best team because of Smith, and I think they won 4 out of 5 tosses.  It was a great achievement to fight back for the draw in the circumstances.  Good to see Denly and Burns come good in the end after shaky starts, and good to see Curran take his chance in the end. 

Think Beefy had reached his sell by date; but like Gower's commentary.  Gower is getting on a bit, and maybe his time is at an end.  Things move on and

There doesn't seem to be much wrong with Isa Guha from what I have heard, I can't remember her grating anywhere, but I don't think it is certain she gets it.  I'd take her over Michael Vaughan, who just seems a bit dislikeable to me at times.   I am not sure where I stand on Phil Tufnell, he can make me cringe a bit, then comes across with such enthusiasm the next minute and can definitely make me chortle. 

It seems a bit silly for a few to be threatening to cancel Sky when we don't even know what comes next, especially given what a great summer of cricket it was.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on September 16, 2019, 06:58:54 AM
I don’t, won’t, have Sky at home so I can’t comment on their commentary.
TMS and the BBC clips has been my connector to the cricket and whilst there isn’t anyone who can match the tone and communicative skill of John Arlott, or the enthusiasm of Johnners, I think Jonathan Agnew keeps improving, Boycott and Tufnell bring some well backed and thought out comment and Isa has got better through the series.

I miss CMJ though.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 16, 2019, 07:54:49 AM
For me, it was a hugely enjoyable series to watch.

Smith was outstanding throughout, Stokes pretty good most of the time, excellent at least once. For one so young & raw, Jofra was sensational. If he keeps his head in the right place he'll be around for a very long time.

Biggest regret would be the absence of Jimmy.

I thought I'd miss Moeen, but Jack Leach was a most entertaining character.

DRS is immensely good, & not only does it do it's job well, but it's become part of the entertainment. VAR can do the same for football if they are willing to learn lessons.

Personally, as a lay spectator, I'll miss Botham, not so much Gower, though I'm fine with him. Botham has been such a huge part of the sporting backtrack to my life I could never dislike him. Jeez, he's piled some weight on lately though.

Isa Guha? I happen to think she's very good indeed, & would happily see her on the team at Sky, but I think she has a BBC Contract.

Bumble has not been mentioned. A little grating at times, but mostly worth persevering with, especially for those long "dead" afternoons that Test Cricket tends to have from time to time. I suppose he is cricket's answer to Peter Alliss. Both are a bit Marmite.  

I don't think there's much wrong with Sky's cricket coverage, unlike their coverage of Golf & Football, both of which are in dire need of an overhaul.  


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: KarmaDope on September 16, 2019, 09:23:56 PM
Believe Ian Ward, ex-Surrey(?) has got the gig.

Sigh.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 16, 2019, 09:44:54 PM
For me, it was a hugely enjoyable series to watch.

Smith was outstanding throughout, Stokes pretty good most of the time, excellent at least once. For one so young & raw, Jofra was sensational. If he keeps his head in the right place he'll be around for a very long time.

Biggest regret would be the absence of Jimmy.

I thought I'd miss Moeen, but Jack Leach was a most entertaining character.

DRS is immensely good, & not only does it do it's job well, but it's become part of the entertainment. VAR can do the same for football if they are willing to learn lessons.

Personally, as a lay spectator, I'll miss Botham, not so much Gower, though I'm fine with him. Botham has been such a huge part of the sporting backtrack to my life I could never dislike him. Jeez, he's piled some weight on lately though.

Isa Guha? I happen to think she's very good indeed, & would happily see her on the team at Sky, but I think she has a BBC Contract.

Bumble has not been mentioned. A little grating at times, but mostly worth persevering with, especially for those long "dead" afternoons that Test Cricket tends to have from time to time. I suppose he is cricket's answer to Peter Alliss. Both are a bit Marmite.  

I don't think there's much wrong with Sky's cricket coverage, unlike their coverage of Golf & Football, both of which are in dire need of an overhaul.  

Good summary and Labushagne and Cummins worth a mention in dispatches. Completely disagree on VAR in football catching up with cricket. You're right about cricket and generally it's because it's about black and white decisions, the game stops and starts like American football so the decisions do add to the anticipation and the game comfortably accommodates it. The marginal ones (like close to the ground catches) tend to be settled in the way most of us would expect and based on the historical interpretation..benefit of doubt to the batting side.

Football with a toe or nipple offside and much more in the way of interpretative stuff cannot be compared (in my humble view). Use the goal-line tech for sure, the rest should be consigned to the dustbin - I cannot imagine anyone who regularly goes to live games thinks it's an improvement and if they do then they're wrong of course :-)


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: bunnydas8888 on September 16, 2019, 11:07:44 PM
For me, it was a hugely enjoyable series to watch.

Smith was outstanding throughout, Stokes pretty good most of the time, excellent at least once. For one so young & raw, Jofra was sensational. If he keeps his head in the right place he'll be around for a very long time.

Biggest regret would be the absence of Jimmy.

I thought I'd miss Moeen, but Jack Leach was a most entertaining character.

DRS is immensely good, & not only does it do it's job well, but it's become part of the entertainment. VAR can do the same for football if they are willing to learn lessons.

Personally, as a lay spectator, I'll miss Botham, not so much Gower, though I'm fine with him. Botham has been such a huge part of the sporting backtrack to my life I could never dislike him. Jeez, he's piled some weight on lately though.

Isa Guha? I happen to think she's very good indeed, & would happily see her on the team at Sky, but I think she has a BBC Contract.

Bumble has not been mentioned. A little grating at times, but mostly worth persevering with, especially for those long "dead" afternoons that Test Cricket tends to have from time to time. I suppose he is cricket's answer to Peter Alliss. Both are a bit Marmite.  

I don't think there's much wrong with Sky's cricket coverage, unlike their coverage of Golf & Football, both of which are in dire need of an overhaul.  

Good summary and Labushagne and Cummins worth a mention in dispatches. Completely disagree on VAR in football catching up with cricket. You're right about cricket and generally it's because it's about black and white decisions, the game stops and starts like American football so the decisions do add to the anticipation and the game comfortably accommodates it. The marginal ones (like close to the ground catches) tend to be settled in the way most of us would expect and based on the historical interpretation..benefit of doubt to the batting side.

Football with a toe or nipple offside and much more in the way of interpretative stuff cannot be compared (in my humble view). Use the goal-line tech for sure, the rest should be consigned to the dustbin - I cannot imagine anyone who regularly goes to live games thinks it's an improvement and if they do then they're wrong of course :-)

What if football had "umpires decision "? So a toe or nipple wouldn't get overruled if the linesman said it was fine, but if they called a howler & it turns out the bloke was offside by a noticeably amount, VAR could step in to say no goal?


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: nirvana on September 16, 2019, 11:34:52 PM
For me, it was a hugely enjoyable series to watch.

Smith was outstanding throughout, Stokes pretty good most of the time, excellent at least once. For one so young & raw, Jofra was sensational. If he keeps his head in the right place he'll be around for a very long time.

Biggest regret would be the absence of Jimmy.

I thought I'd miss Moeen, but Jack Leach was a most entertaining character.

DRS is immensely good, & not only does it do it's job well, but it's become part of the entertainment. VAR can do the same for football if they are willing to learn lessons.

Personally, as a lay spectator, I'll miss Botham, not so much Gower, though I'm fine with him. Botham has been such a huge part of the sporting backtrack to my life I could never dislike him. Jeez, he's piled some weight on lately though.

Isa Guha? I happen to think she's very good indeed, & would happily see her on the team at Sky, but I think she has a BBC Contract.

Bumble has not been mentioned. A little grating at times, but mostly worth persevering with, especially for those long "dead" afternoons that Test Cricket tends to have from time to time. I suppose he is cricket's answer to Peter Alliss. Both are a bit Marmite.  

I don't think there's much wrong with Sky's cricket coverage, unlike their coverage of Golf & Football, both of which are in dire need of an overhaul.  

Good summary and Labushagne and Cummins worth a mention in dispatches. Completely disagree on VAR in football catching up with cricket. You're right about cricket and generally it's because it's about black and white decisions, the game stops and starts like American football so the decisions do add to the anticipation and the game comfortably accommodates it. The marginal ones (like close to the ground catches) tend to be settled in the way most of us would expect and based on the historical interpretation..benefit of doubt to the batting side.

Football with a toe or nipple offside and much more in the way of interpretative stuff cannot be compared (in my humble view). Use the goal-line tech for sure, the rest should be consigned to the dustbin - I cannot imagine anyone who regularly goes to live games thinks it's an improvement and if they do then they're wrong of course :-)

What if football had "umpires decision "? So a toe or nipple wouldn't get overruled if the linesman said it was fine, but if they called a howler & it turns out the bloke was offside by a noticeably amount, VAR could step in to say no goal?

In principle I would agree but then eventually people will have to start interpreting noticeable amount and perhaps we're back at square one. If it was something like the attacker has to be sufficiently far ahead of the defender for their to be clear space, even a milimetre between the respective torso's then that might work a bit better than the current nonsense


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on September 17, 2019, 10:04:33 AM
For me, it was a hugely enjoyable series to watch.

Smith was outstanding throughout, Stokes pretty good most of the time, excellent at least once. For one so young & raw, Jofra was sensational. If he keeps his head in the right place he'll be around for a very long time.

Biggest regret would be the absence of Jimmy.

I thought I'd miss Moeen, but Jack Leach was a most entertaining character.

DRS is immensely good, & not only does it do it's job well, but it's become part of the entertainment. VAR can do the same for football if they are willing to learn lessons.

Personally, as a lay spectator, I'll miss Botham, not so much Gower, though I'm fine with him. Botham has been such a huge part of the sporting backtrack to my life I could never dislike him. Jeez, he's piled some weight on lately though.

Isa Guha? I happen to think she's very good indeed, & would happily see her on the team at Sky, but I think she has a BBC Contract.

Bumble has not been mentioned. A little grating at times, but mostly worth persevering with, especially for those long "dead" afternoons that Test Cricket tends to have from time to time. I suppose he is cricket's answer to Peter Alliss. Both are a bit Marmite.  

I don't think there's much wrong with Sky's cricket coverage, unlike their coverage of Golf & Football, both of which are in dire need of an overhaul.  

Good summary and Labushagne and Cummins worth a mention in dispatches. Completely disagree on VAR in football catching up with cricket. You're right about cricket and generally it's because it's about black and white decisions, the game stops and starts like American football so the decisions do add to the anticipation and the game comfortably accommodates it. The marginal ones (like close to the ground catches) tend to be settled in the way most of us would expect and based on the historical interpretation..benefit of doubt to the batting side.

Football with a toe or nipple offside and much more in the way of interpretative stuff cannot be compared (in my humble view). Use the goal-line tech for sure, the rest should be consigned to the dustbin - I cannot imagine anyone who regularly goes to live games thinks it's an improvement and if they do then they're wrong of course :-)

What if football had "umpires decision "? So a toe or nipple wouldn't get overruled if the linesman said it was fine, but if they called a howler & it turns out the bloke was offside by a noticeably amount, VAR could step in to say no goal?

In principle I would agree but then eventually people will have to start interpreting noticeable amount and perhaps we're back at square one. If it was something like the attacker has to be sufficiently far ahead of the defender for their to be clear space, even a milimetre between the respective torso's then that might work a bit better than the current nonsense


Cricket has the overwhelming advantage here in that the game stops between balls for issues to be looked at but the Umpire’s Call decision seems to work very well. Football stops when the ball goes into the net whether or not a goal is disallowed. Give the captain a limited set of referrals to VAR for goals allowe/disallowed and have the same type of rules over whether or not they are used based on how close the decision is.

Other than that, the VAR should only be involved over ‘Clear and Obvious’ errors. Which means we need to get some clarity and agreement on what constitutes such an error.




Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Skippy on September 17, 2019, 12:20:43 PM
For me, it was a hugely enjoyable series to watch.

Smith was outstanding throughout, Stokes pretty good most of the time, excellent at least once. For one so young & raw, Jofra was sensational. If he keeps his head in the right place he'll be around for a very long time.

Biggest regret would be the absence of Jimmy.

I thought I'd miss Moeen, but Jack Leach was a most entertaining character.

DRS is immensely good, & not only does it do it's job well, but it's become part of the entertainment. VAR can do the same for football if they are willing to learn lessons.

Personally, as a lay spectator, I'll miss Botham, not so much Gower, though I'm fine with him. Botham has been such a huge part of the sporting backtrack to my life I could never dislike him. Jeez, he's piled some weight on lately though.

Isa Guha? I happen to think she's very good indeed, & would happily see her on the team at Sky, but I think she has a BBC Contract.

Bumble has not been mentioned. A little grating at times, but mostly worth persevering with, especially for those long "dead" afternoons that Test Cricket tends to have from time to time. I suppose he is cricket's answer to Peter Alliss. Both are a bit Marmite.  

I don't think there's much wrong with Sky's cricket coverage, unlike their coverage of Golf & Football, both of which are in dire need of an overhaul.  

Good summary and Labushagne and Cummins worth a mention in dispatches. Completely disagree on VAR in football catching up with cricket. You're right about cricket and generally it's because it's about black and white decisions, the game stops and starts like American football so the decisions do add to the anticipation and the game comfortably accommodates it. The marginal ones (like close to the ground catches) tend to be settled in the way most of us would expect and based on the historical interpretation..benefit of doubt to the batting side.

Football with a toe or nipple offside and much more in the way of interpretative stuff cannot be compared (in my humble view). Use the goal-line tech for sure, the rest should be consigned to the dustbin - I cannot imagine anyone who regularly goes to live games thinks it's an improvement and if they do then they're wrong of course :-)

What if football had "umpires decision "? So a toe or nipple wouldn't get overruled if the linesman said it was fine, but if they called a howler & it turns out the bloke was offside by a noticeably amount, VAR could step in to say no goal?

In principle I would agree but then eventually people will have to start interpreting noticeable amount and perhaps we're back at square one. If it was something like the attacker has to be sufficiently far ahead of the defender for their to be clear space, even a milimetre between the respective torso's then that might work a bit better than the current nonsense


Cricket has the overwhelming advantage here in that the game stops between balls for issues to be looked at but the Umpire’s Call decision seems to work very well. Football stops when the ball goes into the net whether or not a goal is disallowed. Give the captain a limited set of referrals to VAR for goals allowe/disallowed and have the same type of rules over whether or not they are used based on how close the decision is.

Other than that, the VAR should only be involved over ‘Clear and Obvious’ errors. Which means we need to get some clarity and agreement on what constitutes such an error.




Umpire's call is atrocious. Who wants to see the closest decisions being finally decided by the least reliable bit of the whole apparatus?

The purpose of it was to discourage frivolous reviews and preserve some respect for the umpire. It hasn't worked- people just review tactically anyway. The thing that puts people off frivolous reviews is the limited number of reviews you get.

As for VAR I like your idea of coach's challenge like the NFL, but since in a typical game there are only about 2.5 goals per game, people will just save their reviews for the goals anyway and it will be just the same. I can't see them reviewing a marginal free kick in the centre circle.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Tal on September 17, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
Why leave anything up to humans? Coach's challenge makes no sense to me. If it's out, it's out.

Umpire's call is because the technology is currently in place to overturn the bad calls, rather than the close ones. NFL uses "clear and obvious error" under the same logic.


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: Pokerpops on September 17, 2019, 03:49:52 PM
Captain’s challenge, not coach. The captain is on the field and has quick access to the views of his team mates. Fifteen seconds from the ball going into the net should be plenty of time to ask for a review by either side.

Tactically the use of reviews was a disaster for the Australians this summer. Way too many wasted reviews, including one nonsense in the Headingley test that meant Stokes survived the next ‘not out’ decision when a review would have given him out...


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 17, 2019, 04:34:35 PM



Ben Stokes describes Sun story about family as 'immoral and heartless'


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49726913


Title: Re: England Cricket chat
Post by: tikay on September 17, 2019, 04:36:37 PM

Here's the statement that Ben Stokes posted on Twitter this morning;



(http://i.imgur.com/WRGVFco.jpg) (https://imgur.com/WRGVFco)