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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36512308

Just horrendous :/

Dreadful news.

Bit fast off the mark, should have fact checked. 

Horrendous!

Anyone think that the term "terrorist" should stop being used and be replaced by something like "hate criminal".  

Honestly, as shocking as this is, I was far more saddened by the death of Christina Grimmie, started following her years before she got famous.

Very sad & amazed at the reaction, or la k of, from the typical straight person.

Not seen anyone talk about this on Facebook & this post only got 5 replies. If this was in a typical nightclub the response would have been different by others.

It's only the gay community that cares.

think i have to disagree here, i'm currently on an oil rig with 110 big burly oil workers on it, all of whom appear to be very hetero, and there has been a huge amount of talk about this situation, and not the type of "the bummers deserve it" talk, but the "how can shit like this keep happening, it's a disgrace" type talk.

blonde is a tiny proportion of the populace, i'd tend not to think of us as a representation of the rest of the world.

I read this story late last night and was shocked by the brutality of it and sad for all the innocent lives lost.  A dreadful attack.

In general, I'm sure the vast majority of people are horrified irrespective of whether they write something on your facebook page.

I'm a typical straight person and I haven't reacted to this at all.

It's not because I'm heterosexual that I've not reacted differently it's because any shoot out in America just seems kind of ordinary to me these days.

The gay community are possibly reacting more because they appear to have been directly targeted but to many others it's perhaps just another tragic shooting in America that won't see anything done to prevent it happening again.

+1 to this the gay community are obviously going to react more as it is a direct attack on them.

I've been reading a lot on it but no reacting, cannot be bothered with it anymore.

Too many Americans are just stupid, the support for more guns and trump proves this.

Are you a typical straight person Aaron?

I didn't even know until i read this thread it was a gay nightclub that was targeted.  Makes no difference to my views on it in the slighest.  Like Matt says it happens so often in America incredibly you get bored of thinking the same things about crazy yanks and their obsession with guns and government's not seeming to care less and do anything about it.

Every time Arron makes a post like this i just sit here and think 'is this guy for real?  Surely he is looking for a ruck when he posts this stuff?'  Do you really think the things you type on here Arron?  Do these thoughts really go through your head for real?

The problem isn't  that he's a Muslim, the problem is that he was legally able to buy the weapons in the first place. The number of mass shootings this year alone in the states is staggering- http://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-calendar-june-2016
The root cause is the availability of guns and until Yanks stop hiding behind their 2nd amendment rights and implement gun control, this list is just going to keep get longer.

My office has 20 staff 6 are gay, there has been little chat of this today.  European Championships though there has been loads of chat. 

I guess, gun crime in America just doesn't make news these days.  Stupid gun laws. 

They can take their constitution and ram it imo. 

I know I'm using my Facebook as a typical example. But my Facebook is 60% gay, 40% straight. I have obviously seen loads of gay men and women show their disgust at the mass killings. I've not seen a single post from someone straight, I thought it was a different view they was taking.

Whenever these things happen, all you see is people posting and sharing links. But last two days, nothing. I think there genuinely is a different view because of their sexuality.

You are still trying hard for a reaction after all these months? 😂😂

I disagree it is because it seems so futile to get too upset when the US gun laws stand no prospect of repeal

this chap was investigated for terrorist links twice by the USA but could still (legally) have an attack rifle capable of spree killing

the sexuality of those tragically killed is a complete red herring for any reaction or not in my opinion

its our emotional immunity to it, which is tragic in itself

I would still appreciate an answer to this question.

I didn't respond because it was Sunday night and I was trying to follow the grand prix, plus there are so many mass killings in America that we have exhausted the arguments before.

But I also dislike these posts where someone just posts a link to generate a discussion.  If Tony had given a couple of lines of thoughts I'd be less hostile. 

This thread is also slightly backs up what I'm saying. 5 comments before I posted, I post something "different" and people reply.

You're coming across as attention seeking in this thread by attempting to be deliberately provocative.  Bizarre in the face of such tragedy.  The internet can be a strange place.

Why don't you answer Tom's question Arron?

That's fair comment David, or it is up to a point.

I was (am) extremely busy, but as I'm currently in the USA, I saw the story early, & felt it deserved a blonde thread.

I'm not sure I posted it to "generate a discussion", it was more to share something that particularly upset me, & I thought others would want to see it.

I actually mentioned it in my latest blog, Next Door, too.

I'm really not sure what further comment I can make. 50 innocent people slain, just like that. It's thoroughly ghastly.

The Gay angle has, to my mind, no particular or extra relevance. I think Aaron is completely wrong in his belief that people are less sympathetic due to sexual preference. 20 years ago, yes, today, no.

Does it matter?

It does matter yes.

If he's not in the typical straight person group then he's being offensive. I'm a typical straight person and I'm not allowed to use the phrase 'typical homosexual' without reprisal.

Why should typical non-straight people get to label me?

Almost the entire one hour Channel 4 News bulletin this evening has been on Orlando.

Hope you've watched it Aaron.

I understand the point you are making. I disagree, but I understand. It's more relevant to ask whether Aaron's straight friends are typical surely?

Not ONE person at work mentioned it, at all. Couldn't believe it

I think we react more to things that happen to people we know, in places we have been to, in places people we know have been to, in places we could imagine ourselves going to, to people who are similar to ourselves . (Probably roughly in that order).

It's why stuff happening in France, gets more reaction / attention than events in Somalia. It's not racism.
It's why a shooting in a gay club in Orlando, incites less views than a shooting at a rock concert in Paris. It's not homophobia.

When I say not, I mean not necessarily.

I am an idiot for responding to a clear trolling post but here goes.

What response were you looking for exactly?

"My thoughts and prayers are with the victims"?

Well actually, my thoughts (and prayers if I had believed in God) were with the Kazakh wife of my cousin, whose village back home was subject to a terrorist atrocity last week where 17 people, many of whom she knew, were murdered.

I didn't see you or any of your Facebook friends feeling sad for the Kazakh community involved.

Does that mean you don't care about them?

Or is it because nowadays these terrible incidents happen so often we are desensitised to these tragedies unless we know someone directly involved.

We would spend our whole lives grieving if we genuinely felt sad when these things happen. They happen so damn often.

So please don't ask, expect or demand anything from anyone in these horrible times. We all hate what is happening in our world right now, just because we don't express it every day it doesn't mean we don't feel it.

hmmm, to a degree.
I was in Orlando a couple of weeks ago, so it briefly piqued my interest, though more so my nine year old for obv reasons.
Much like others, of course I think it is a tragedy, but happens all to often in the States and is never going to change. The debate of which has been exhausted both here and elsewhere.

Didn't a poster leave Blondepoker after the Thailand tsunami because other posters weren't upset enough about it?

Hi Dave.

I assume you are asking me whether it matters if he answers my question. Without wishing to be pedantic, does it matter if I answer yours?

Hi Tom

Do you mind if I don't answer that?

Well so long as you can deduce the answer to the question you originally asked me from the answer you just gave me then no, I don't.

I would still like Aaron to answer my question to him though.

Your question is completely irrelevant.

I've made a point that people's reaction has been completely different to previous attacks in which lots of people have been killed. A lot of people died at the Bataclan, there was lots of friends on my Facebook posting about it, I can't remember the reaction on here, but I suspect it was more than the 5 replies that was on this thread.

I didn't post what I did, this thread is one page.

Paris took place prime time UK time. It was broadcast live on UK screens from an early stage, and is obviously much closer to us than orlando is. It scared people here

things like that broadcast on our screens "as they happen" stay with us. you'll be too young, but the embassy siege in 1980 is a classic example

completely understandable that Paris should garner a far bggier reaction than orlando did

any notion that people care less about gay lives is a complete red herring in my opinion.

as i said yesterday, US Gun laws or the absence of them make many of us "shrug" more than "emote" when it comes to spree killings over there

I didn't know this was about a gay bar before this thread, because I couldn't be bothered to click on it, the headline seemed pretty self explanatory.

Find it hard to keep caring. This has become so regular (or is now reported so regularly) that it's hard to keep posting "o no I'm so sorry about this etc", because I genuinely don't feel much about it now. America is clearly fine with having multiple nutcases charging about with guns, I mean what do they/we expect to happen?

As I said earlier, I was actually pretty upset about the shooting of Christina Grimmie. She's my age, and that was aimed at her in particular, and what can she have done that caused someone to want to kill her like that? I suppose the fact that I felt i sorta "knew" her was part of that too.

Do I particularly care about the shooting in Orlando? No, frankly. Is this because they're gay? Obviously not, and I'm kinda insulted by that insinuation, but it's Aaron, whatever. Since I originally thought it was just another shooting of a bunch of unconnected people, and I didn't care particularly then, I still don't know that I know they were all gay.

One thing that I did notice is that news of this broke on Sunday morning, and was immediately the only story on CNN, but Sky and the BBC spent the next few hours hardly mentioning it, instead providing a few hours live coverage of The Queen attending a picnic in the rain.

It was only once that was over that Orlando became the main story.

 If it was a straight club would you assume everyone there was straight?  Some people will just go out with their friends, some women may be there just for a dance away from the attentions of men, some straight people will work there, some people may just have got caught up in it etc.

I accept it seems pretty certain that the club was targeted as it was a gay club.

Buy never mind the deaths, this thread is all about Aaron.

It's good of Mr Calculator to comment.

I have made a comment, now people have made the topic about what I've said. I was of course only making a point on the response of others, which was on topic.

You don't get to decide what is and is not relevant.

I happen to think that anyone who makes a disparaging comment about a particular group, (In this case typical straight people) should be prepared to confirm or deny that he belongs to that group.

I will of course respect your right to refuse to say if you are a typical straight person and I will form my own opinion.

How many straight men would have 60% of their facebook group of friends who are gay?  Roughly?  2%?  1%? 

Fair point, take that part of my comment back.

Oh man. Leave Aaron alone. Just posted a view is all. Wasn't offensive was it. I'm a typical straight person and still find myself able to function post aaron's post. . Too many thought police everywhere these days. Please don't troll my response or ill leave you all to it

If you go I'm going too and I'm bringing everyone with me.

Often when I read thread on a forum I see a poster claiming someone else is trolling.

And I think "Huh? They are just giving their opinion on a subject, which is possibly a minority view"

This is Wikipedia's opening paragraph on the subject of internet trolling

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement"

For once, I am 100% sure, there is no question that definition absolutely describes Aaron's opening post in this thread.

Just seen a statistic from BBC saying there have been 93 US gun related deaths in the last 72 hours NOT INCLUDING Orlando.
Any nation which refuses to implement gun controls in the face of such ongoing slaughter of its own citizens loses a lot of sympathy and goodwill from the rest of the world.