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Title: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Archer on September 26, 2016, 11:55:34 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/exclusive-how-sam-allardyce-tried-to-make-as-much-money-as-possi/





Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 27, 2016, 12:01:20 AM
How can anyone be surprised?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: hhyftrftdr on September 27, 2016, 12:10:20 AM
Always thought the big Sam was a dodgy fucker.

Too late to get Harry Redknapp in charge of the national team?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: rinswun on September 27, 2016, 12:22:56 AM
This is a non-story surely? Hasn't done anything wrong as far as I can see, aside from being a bit more candid that he might have been with some fellas he's never met before. He hasn't taken a bribe, given inside info or agreed to any sort of payment seemingly. Looks to me like the Telegraph thought they could get a real story, paid for the journo and the hire of the recording equipment and then had to make do with what they could get.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: aaron1867 on September 27, 2016, 12:47:22 AM
From what I can see isn't he talking about bending the rules and how the game is full of bribes?

I am not quite sure he can talk like that as England manager & expect he might be off.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: tikay on September 27, 2016, 09:11:29 AM

I think Sam has made a massive mistake if he thinks an England Manager can think & speak in such terms. Even in this day & age, the Manager of a major National team should be above all that, & squeaky clean. It was utter stupidity & greed to be entrapped like this.

He might just get away with it though, on 2 grounds....

1) To get rid of him now would be a huge embarrassment to the FA, & suggest they erred badly in appointing him.

2) The FA are often somewhat lily-livered in these situations. 

I think he might just about survive with a slap on the wrist, but it'll be a close-run thing imo.

The Chief Exec of the FA, has already spoken to Sam about the matter, last night apparently, & is due to speak to him again this morning. Then the Chief Exec (Glenn) & the Chairman (Clarke) are holding a formal meeting to discuss it further.

The Times reports that off-the record briefings from the FA suggest he is 50/50 to survive.

It has positively exploded in the Media overnight. The FA, of course, are the ones with most egg on their face, their due diligence failed or was not done thoroughly.

Meanwhile, it is understood that Alan Pardew has ordered a nice new suit & tie, & brushed up on his presentation skills.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: horseplayer on September 27, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
Get arry in....

Doesn't take a genius to work out the player he mentions who has been bailed out twice by his owner


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Tal on September 27, 2016, 09:41:39 AM
Paddy Power
Paddy Power – Verified account ‏@paddypower

"Don't be alarmed, Mr Allardyce. Just go about your daily routine like I'm not wearing the hat."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtT0MO1WYAEEwRs.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 27, 2016, 09:53:10 AM
hold on, he's drinking white wine out of a pint glass?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtTvWu9W8AYaXoo.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 27, 2016, 10:38:08 AM
hold on, he's drinking white wine out of a pint glass?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtTvWu9W8AYaXoo.jpg)

I'm not sure that defence will hold up.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Tal on September 27, 2016, 08:25:46 PM
Resignation accepted, per reports.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: RED-DOG on September 27, 2016, 08:29:40 PM
Resignation accepted, per reports.


You're kidding? I thought he had a good chance of getting away with it.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 27, 2016, 08:34:45 PM
Do we lump on Glenda as a safe(ish) pair of hands?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Tal on September 27, 2016, 08:47:48 PM
Do we lump on Glenda as a safe(ish) pair of hands?

Lol


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Tal on September 27, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
The FA – Verified account ‏@FA

The FA can confirm that Sam Allardyce has left his position as @England manager. Full statement:  http://the-fa.com/t6xvPg
11:46 am - 27 Sep 2016

--------------------------------------

By FA Staff
27 Sep 2016

The FA can confirm that Sam Allardyce has left his position as England manager.

Allardyce's conduct, as reported today, was inappropriate of the England manager. He accepts he made a significant error of judgement and has apologised. However, due to the serious nature of his actions, The FA and Allardyce have mutually agreed to terminate his contract with immediate effect.

This is not a decision that was taken lightly but The FA's priority is to protect the wider interests of the game and maintain the highest standards of conduct in football. The manager of the England men's senior team is a position which must demonstrate strong leadership and show respect for the integrity of the game at all times.

Gareth Southgate will take charge of the men's senior team for the next four matches against Malta, Slovenia, Scotland and Spain whilst The FA begins its search for the new England manager.

The FA wishes Sam well in the future



Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: horseplayer on September 27, 2016, 08:51:04 PM
Southgate the safest pair of hands bar Hodgson.


Oh



Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 27, 2016, 08:56:36 PM
Southgate the safest pair of hands bar Hodgson.


Oh



Stuart Pearce is available too.  How is Gary Neville progressing at Valencia? 

I wish Paul Clement was given more of a go by Derby.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Cf on September 27, 2016, 09:09:53 PM
Oh this is just too good. Hahahahahahahaha.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: booder on September 27, 2016, 09:11:58 PM
What a complete pillock.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 27, 2016, 09:13:05 PM
Big Sam's greatest hits - well one of them..

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/watch-sam-allardyce-filmed-dancing-like-nobody-is-watching-in-marbella/


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Tal on September 27, 2016, 09:24:40 PM
We should probably have a Chief Football Correspondent from a broadsheet on the selection panel. Saves time.

"No, he's got a lot of dodgy financial transactions out there"
"What? With his history?"
"Didn't you hear about the secretary?"
"He'll be good...when he sobers up"

Just speeds the whole process up.

Shortlist will require:

1. Football experience, particularly of the Premier League

(http://statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Wenger.jpeg)

2. Strong leadership

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/secondary/len-goodman-swears-strictly-come-dancing-222372.jpg)

3. Doesn't need the money

(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56d75be06e97c621048bb0b5-480/donald-trump.jpg)

4. Squeaky clean

(http://cdn.pinknews.co.uk/images/2016/01/welby.jpg)

5. Not frightened to make difficult calls

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0e/9a/2e/0e9a2ead97db108d7ddd0b790e2a763f.jpg)

6. A confident character

(http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/688c0b2d-b8c8-4db2-8145-c32146e80571/f5f41a7c-dc1a-47d2-85f6-a9560b69ca16.jpg)

7. Who can coach the players psychologically

(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/article-1279218446735-0a6d1a70000005dc-275262_636x300.jpg)

8. As well as physically

(http://mediastorage-lls.bauermedia.co.uk/ec/4f295/65fe2/dd6be/15df3/8d749/079e9/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-29%20at%2010.34.48_466x466.png?1451385337)

9. Someone who can work the crowd at press conferences

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2013/03/25/10/Peter-Kay.jpg)

10. But who can work magic when it matters most

(http://www.tonybarriemanagement.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sooty_act.jpg)


Shouldn't be too hard...


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: nirvana on September 27, 2016, 09:26:12 PM
Wahaha, always thought he was quite unpleasant and fundamentally thick - yah,yah, you're a £100k a pop keynote speaker for sure.

Hope Harry is available to bring a bit of integrity to the role.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 27, 2016, 09:35:17 PM
Good work there Tal.

What was it that Sooty used to say "izzy-wizzy let's get busy".

Over to you FA.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: celtic on September 27, 2016, 09:49:37 PM
Don't know why you've included Eso at no 7 tal.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Tal on September 27, 2016, 09:53:54 PM
Don't know why you've included Eso at no 7 tal.

Can't believe this took that long :D

WP


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: The Camel on September 27, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
As I said three months ago before that buffoon was appointed...

Give the job to Wenger.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: RED-DOG on September 27, 2016, 11:30:59 PM
What do people think of these 'Sting' operations?

Is it fair to tempt or coerce someone who might otherwise never do anything wrong?

What happens if the Stingee behaves impeccably?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 27, 2016, 11:50:03 PM
As I said three months ago before that buffoon was appointed...

Give the job to Wenger.

Might as well say give the job to Pep.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: hhyftrftdr on September 27, 2016, 11:51:39 PM
Mancini, oh-ohhhh-oh
Mancini, 0h-oohhhh-ohh

He came from Italy
To manage Engerland


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: RickBFA on September 28, 2016, 10:47:23 AM
What a clown, gets his dream job, guaranteed £3m basic and still looking for a deal on the side. I suppose people just get greedy and it clouds their judgement.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Nakor on September 28, 2016, 10:49:38 AM
As I said three months ago before that buffoon was appointed...

Give the job to Wenger.

Best thing for English football imo.
Not sure there is an sensible alternative candidate to be honest.
He won't get it though.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: superwomble on September 28, 2016, 10:57:50 AM
This is not a decision that was taken lightly but The FA's priority is to protect the wider interests of the game and maintain the highest standards of conduct in football. The manager of the England men's senior team is a position which must demonstrate strong leadership and show respect for the integrity of the game at all times.

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: MANTIS01 on September 28, 2016, 11:21:28 AM
What do people think of these 'Sting' operations?

Is it fair to tempt or coerce someone who might otherwise never do anything wrong?

What happens if the Stingee behaves impeccably?

I've always thought it was slack methodology and the results they produce are proper flaky. Remember when Lawrence Dallaglio was sensationally caught admitting to quaffing coke on a regular basis? Turned out he was just trying to impress people, play the big man. Perfectly normal human frailty. What about those wives who set a honey trap to find out if their husband cheat? Well if a fella has a few drinks in a bar and is approached by a super sexy woman who lavishes attention on him it's normal human frailty to play along with the flattery. But what about if he falls into the hotel room with this woman and before anything happens he says you know what, I love my wife, I can't go through with this. The guy doesn't get that chance, he's bang to rights guilty before it gets to that stage.

Moving onto big Sam, the facts are he didn't receive any monies and he insisted anything agreed would need FA approval. So what is he guilty of? Calling Gary Neville a plonker, errr agreed. And calling Roy Woy, errr so does everyone. He is guilty of having a few beers and playing the big man, normal human frailty. I do agree he has been very dumb because how many times are people going to meet fake sheiks with grand ideas before they start smelling a rat? But ultimately the media lay the sting and then report the results any way they choose which doesn't seem like cricket to me.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 28, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
Wenger backed from 20s into 8's this morning for the permanent gig after Southgate's 4 match interregnum (we hope)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctbic_QWYAAAob1.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 28, 2016, 12:32:14 PM
What do people think of these 'Sting' operations?

Is it fair to tempt or coerce someone who might otherwise never do anything wrong?

What happens if the Stingee behaves impeccably?

I've always thought it was slack methodology and the results they produce are proper flaky. Remember when Lawrence Dallaglio was sensationally caught admitting to quaffing coke on a regular basis? Turned out he was just trying to impress people, play the big man. Perfectly normal human frailty. What about those wives who set a honey trap to find out if their husband cheat? Well if a fella has a few drinks in a bar and is approached by a super sexy woman who lavishes attention on him it's normal human frailty to play along with the flattery. But what about if he falls into the hotel room with this woman and before anything happens he says you know what, I love my wife, I can't go through with this. The guy doesn't get that chance, he's bang to rights guilty before it gets to that stage.

Moving onto big Sam, the facts are he didn't receive any monies and he insisted anything agreed would need FA approval. So what is he guilty of? Calling Gary Neville a plonker, errr agreed. And calling Roy Woy, errr so does everyone. He is guilty of having a few beers and playing the big man, normal human frailty. I do agree he has been very dumb because how many times are people going to meet fake sheiks with grand ideas before they start smelling a rat? But ultimately the media lay the sting and then report the results any way they choose which doesn't seem like cricket to me.

The FA man said he said things that were inappropriate for a man in his position, which is clearly true.

Whole thing feels a bit wrong though.  It is 4 hours condensed into not very long.  And in the video, you can hear Allardyce saying you can't do that.  If he then goes on to say you can employ an agent and get fees that way.  That isn't breaking the rules and is getting round the rules.  He also said that this would have to be agreed with his employers.  So even in the edited highlights, he is advising them not to do the thing that breaks the rules.  Not very sure he is greedy either, some random offers me 40% of my earnings to go to Asia 4 times a year and do a speech, pretty sure I'd go along and meet them.   

Meh.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: MANTIS01 on September 28, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
Yah the 'greed' conclusion tastes funny to me. He has been snap found guilty of what we perceive to be a deadly sin, so it smells rotten to the general public. But how has that conclusion been proved? I'm more inclined to think he is intoxicated by the feeling of importance his position brings. A very human frailty. When he first sat in his office chair at the England manager's desk he probably span around a couple of times squealing wiiiiiiiiiii as well. Offering advice about getting round the rules is normal, eg every tax accountant provides that service as standard.

I think the media are so powerful in influencing our thought process. I'm the type of guy that sees a mouse run into a room and think Oh a mouse. The media see a mouse run into a room and jump onto the table clutching at their petticoats screaming MOUSE!! The end of the world is here. But nah it's just a mouse and people are just people, all this pretending we should be perfect is nonsense really. I mean look at Sven, I'm sure he used his position to wangle his way into the beds of many women. But fair play to him really, he wouldn't be getting any action otherwise.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 28, 2016, 01:21:54 PM
Interview on the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37493794 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37493794)

Bascially Sam accepts entire blame, says he has been silly, says everything was amicable.  Also says entrapment has won.

Headline Allardyce says entrapment has won. 


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: rinswun on September 28, 2016, 05:09:22 PM
Thos isn't the only Allerdyce footage they have. The more damning stuff was filmed this month. I believe he has resigned on the basis of what may be yet to come.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 28, 2016, 07:05:34 PM
I think the FA is partly to blame for not doing their "due diligence" very diligently at all after allegations of Big Sam's connection to at least three bungs were part of the exposee in that Panarama programme a while back.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: nirvana on September 28, 2016, 09:00:32 PM
It's true I think that the revelations so far don't show him doing much wrong. It's perhaps no different to a guy taking a series of non exec roles in addition to his day job in fat cattery. At a minimum though it's just a bit thick to not appreciate that he's likely to be held to silly standards. And thick is a good enough reason to go imo. Beyond that, there is either more to come or he's had an alarming attack of integrity to leave so meekly


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: DungBeetle on September 28, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
What do people think of these 'Sting' operations?

Is it fair to tempt or coerce someone who might otherwise never do anything wrong?

What happens if the Stingee behaves impeccably?

I've always thought it was slack methodology and the results they produce are proper flaky. Remember when Lawrence Dallaglio was sensationally caught admitting to quaffing coke on a regular basis? Turned out he was just trying to impress people, play the big man. Perfectly normal human frailty. What about those wives who set a honey trap to find out if their husband cheat? Well if a fella has a few drinks in a bar and is approached by a super sexy woman who lavishes attention on him it's normal human frailty to play along with the flattery. But what about if he falls into the hotel room with this woman and before anything happens he says you know what, I love my wife, I can't go through with this. The guy doesn't get that chance, he's bang to rights guilty before it gets to that stage.

Moving onto big Sam, the facts are he didn't receive any monies and he insisted anything agreed would need FA approval. So what is he guilty of? Calling Gary Neville a plonker, errr agreed. And calling Roy Woy, errr so does everyone. He is guilty of having a few beers and playing the big man, normal human frailty. I do agree he has been very dumb because how many times are people going to meet fake sheiks with grand ideas before they start smelling a rat? But ultimately the media lay the sting and then report the results any way they choose which doesn't seem like cricket to me.

Those honeypot stings must be infuriating.  Sitting there on heat trying to compute how the wife has suddenly entered the equation and is screaming at you.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: horseplayer on September 28, 2016, 10:46:27 PM
Tommy Wright filmed accepting 5k bung

Ceilino also named he has been trying to get Wright all summer from Barnsley.....


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 29, 2016, 09:49:11 AM
I have seen the Hasselbaink footage too and am left a bit confused.  Again, we don't really have context or the full video.  So there is no way of knowing if he is just asking for a fat fee to speak at a dinner in Asia. 

Obviously they have got Tommy Wright much better.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2016, 10:09:45 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CteGLgzVYAA6EU1.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
The Telegraph video shows Cellino offering to sell 20 per cent of Leeds United to investors who would then take a cut from player transfers


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2016, 10:10:45 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctd-ZQoXYAEd7jI.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 29, 2016, 10:11:40 AM
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink of QPR is filmed negotiating a £55k fee to work for agency which wanted to sell players to his club.

(isn't this arrangement what Fergie had with his son Mark's company?)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CteI7iFUMAAfRVT.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 29, 2016, 11:17:44 AM
On the subject of the FA's due diligence re. Big Sam:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/the-17-suspicious-premier-league-transfers-that-fifa-and-the-fa-failed-to-investigate-a7335916.html


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: RickBFA on September 29, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
I guess this is just the start of the revelations. I wonder who will be up next?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: hhyftrftdr on September 29, 2016, 12:21:56 PM
I guess this is just the start of the revelations. I wonder who will be up next?

Clattenburg ;)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: bobby1 on September 29, 2016, 01:39:29 PM
Redknapp and Warnock must be favs in the 'who are the 8 Prem managers' market?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: RickBFA on September 29, 2016, 01:51:58 PM
Redknapp and Warnock must be favs in the 'who are the 8 Prem managers' market?

Yep, what do you think the price of someone like Fergie would be in that market?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: tikay on September 29, 2016, 01:56:42 PM

This is a strange one, it suggests Mr Allardyce was an investor in a property/hotel deal in Newcastle, & among his co-investors were 2 England players, Rooney & Hart.

I would hope he withdrew from that when appointed England Manager, as it would have made his position as "selector" a little awkward, to say the least.


http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/revealed-hotel-backed-sam-allardyce-11952558



Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: bobby1 on September 29, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
Redknapp and Warnock must be favs in the 'who are the 8 Prem managers' market?

Yep, what do you think the price of someone like Fergie would be in that market?


Well that transfer of Bebe to Man Utd stank didn't it. His value went thru the roof in a year and his agent got about 3 million out of a transfer fee of about 8 million. Fergie admitted he had never seen him play and he clearly wasn't a Premier lge standard player.



Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 29, 2016, 02:06:40 PM

This is a strange one, it suggests Mr Allardyce was an investor in a property/hotel deal in Newcastle, & among his co-investors were 2 England players, Rooney & Hart.

I would hope he withdrew from that when appointed England Manager, as it would have made his position as "selector" a little awkward, to say the least.


http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/revealed-hotel-backed-sam-allardyce-11952558



as the comments section says

If it looks dodgy, it probably is, if a journalist can get information from the public domain, why cant HMRC or the SFO.

Meh, it is little different from us taking 5% shares in Camel for WCOOP.  How does the hotel investment affect the likelihood of Rooney getting picked?  I just don't see it at all. 


 


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 29, 2016, 02:08:41 PM
Redknapp and Warnock must be favs in the 'who are the 8 Prem managers' market?

Yep, what do you think the price of someone like Fergie would be in that market?


Well that transfer of Bebe to Man Utd stank didn't it. His value went thru the roof in a year and his agent got about 3 million out of a transfer fee of about 8 million. Fergie admitted he had never seen him play and he clearly wasn't a Premier lge standard player.



I thought of Fergie straight away too.  He probably doesn't have the leverage to put people off printing stories that he once did.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: tikay on September 29, 2016, 02:18:00 PM

This is a strange one, it suggests Mr Allardyce was an investor in a property/hotel deal in Newcastle, & among his co-investors were 2 England players, Rooney & Hart.

I would hope he withdrew from that when appointed England Manager, as it would have made his position as "selector" a little awkward, to say the least.


http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/revealed-hotel-backed-sam-allardyce-11952558



as the comments section says

If it looks dodgy, it probably is, if a journalist can get information from the public domain, why cant HMRC or the SFO.

Meh, it is little different from us taking 5% shares in Camel for WCOOP.  How does the hotel investment affect the likelihood of Rooney getting picked?  I just don't see it at all. 


 

Not sure I agree with that Doobs, the Hotel deal is almost certainly a good investment.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 29, 2016, 02:32:51 PM

This is a strange one, it suggests Mr Allardyce was an investor in a property/hotel deal in Newcastle, & among his co-investors were 2 England players, Rooney & Hart.

I would hope he withdrew from that when appointed England Manager, as it would have made his position as "selector" a little awkward, to say the least.


http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/revealed-hotel-backed-sam-allardyce-11952558



as the comments section says

If it looks dodgy, it probably is, if a journalist can get information from the public domain, why cant HMRC or the SFO.

Meh, it is little different from us taking 5% shares in Camel for WCOOP.  How does the hotel investment affect the likelihood of Rooney getting picked?  I just don't see it at all. 


 

Not sure I agree with that Doobs, the Hotel deal is almost certainly a good investment.

v good, unfortunately spoilt a little bit by Camel making us some money on our investment.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: rfgqqabc on September 29, 2016, 02:58:04 PM
If Fergie gets named it's a terrible day for football. He did come to mind too, always been a few questions in my mind after the Rio and Jaap Stam incidents.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Archer on September 29, 2016, 04:11:18 PM
If Fergie gets named it's a terrible day for football. He did come to mind too, always been a few questions in my mind after the Rio and Jaap Stam incidents.

He has a colourful history. Just on the agent thing alone Ferguson vowed he would never speak to the BBC after a 2004 documentary made allegations about his son, Jason, who is a football agent. Accusing the broadcaster of "breathtaking arrogance" Ferguson said: "They did a story about my son that was whole lot of nonsense. It all made-up stuff and 'brown paper bags' and all that kind of carry-on. It was a horrible attack on my son's honour and he should never have been accused of that. But it is such a huge organisation that they will never apologise."


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 30, 2016, 09:51:36 AM
Oh

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtjU2moWcAAGZvq.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 30, 2016, 09:52:19 AM
FA to meet police

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctiq99PW8AI44wN.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on September 30, 2016, 09:58:16 AM
a website produced a list of the 8 Premiership names last night. removed it, put it back up again then removed it overnight

eric black was named last night

the remaining seven includes 4 current premier league managers and 2 former premier league managers currently without a club


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Doobs on September 30, 2016, 11:54:58 AM
a website produced a list of the 8 Premiership names last night. removed it, put it back up again then removed it overnight

eric black was named last night

the remaining seven includes 4 current premier league managers and 2 former premier league managers currently without a club

If you were one of these 4, surely should fess up now and not wait for the Telegraph to print.  That way the club can take the lead and get the statements/suspensions out the way.  Surely the managers aren't stupid enough to have not put 2 and 2 together yet. 


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on September 30, 2016, 12:01:34 PM
a website produced a list of the 8 Premiership names last night. removed it, put it back up again then removed it overnight

eric black was named last night

the remaining seven includes 4 current premier league managers and 2 former premier league managers currently without a club

If you were one of these 4, surely should fess up now and not wait for the Telegraph to print.  That way the club can take the lead and get the statements/suspensions out the way.  Surely the managers aren't stupid enough to have not put 2 and 2 together yet. 

If that was the same list that I saw last night it included Pards, Sparky, and Bruce.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Tal on September 30, 2016, 12:10:15 PM
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/managers-linked-to-man-united-crystal-palace-implicated-in-corruption-the-story-is-complete-lies/

Seems questionable at best.

Better off waiting to read the latest dripfeed.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: tikay on September 30, 2016, 12:24:02 PM

Whatever the deal is, a few current & ex Prem managers will be crapping themselves this morning. Plenty of track covering in progress, too.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: hhyftrftdr on September 30, 2016, 11:33:10 PM
Stone the crows, didn't see this coming....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37526316?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: TightEnd on October 01, 2016, 11:50:00 AM
Harry Redknapp reveals how his players illicitly gambled on their own result

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/30/exclusive-harry-redknapp-reveals-how-his-players-illicitly-gambl/


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: tikay on October 21, 2016, 11:44:38 AM

The road to rehabilitation commences, this was last night at Old Trafford.

Next stop for Sam, Sunderland?




Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: RickBFA on October 21, 2016, 01:32:31 PM
Given the mess Sunderland are currently in, I would think they would be desperate to get Big Sam back.

Just a question of timing isn't it?


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: tikay on October 21, 2016, 01:49:29 PM
Given the mess Sunderland are currently in, I would think they would be desperate to get Big Sam back.

Just a question of timing isn't it?

It would seem very possible, yes.

Sam needs to start the process somewhere. He's always been pally with SAF, & a word from SAF goes a long way in football. It all seems to fit, & Mr Moyes is hardly setting the world on fire at Sunderland, is he?

Send for Sam, keep them up, job done, everyone will forget the England debacle. 


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: AndrewT on October 21, 2016, 04:40:51 PM

The road to rehabilitation commences, this was last night at Old Trafford.

Next stop for Sam, Sunderland?

Hopefully Man Utd have tired of Mourinho already and are lining up a replacement.


Title: Re: Big Sam in hot water?
Post by: Karabiner on October 21, 2016, 08:32:35 PM
Given the mess Sunderland are currently in, I would think they would be desperate to get Big Sam back.

Just a question of timing isn't it?

It would seem very possible, yes.

Sam needs to start the process somewhere. He's always been pally with SAF, & a word from SAF goes a long way in football. It all seems to fit, & Mr Moyes is hardly setting the world on fire at Sunderland, is he?

Send for Sam, keep them up, job done, everyone will forget the England debacle. 

There would appear to be a conflict of interests there as Moyes is/was Fergie's annointed son.

I'm not sure whether Big Sam has a future in English football anymore after his latest debacle and the old stuff being recycled.

My money would be on a job in China.