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good, or merely routine?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtlx6uQvdaU

Well I enjoyed it, if nobody else did.

Quite entertaining actually.

Alec Torelli never was a fan of that fold button :P

Only just seen this.

Sick hand!

Glad I only play poker in Vegas, so at least I'm sometimes not the biggest fish at the table ;D

Its a bit much with the Jack of spades but its probably good vs Polk with the dynamic, although then we are playing a guessing/level war rather than gto poker. Commentary is awful and shows just why better poker players shouldn't be in the booth.

I'm pretty sure that's an iffy turn barrel from polk fwiw, I think he's supposed to give up with a few hands and I think 86cc is about the worst hand possible?

I think if we analyse it properly torelli is supposed to call turn and fold river, and polk not supposed to barrel the turn.

Sometimes you gotta look a man in the eyes though :-)

Propa poka

Completely agree re-commentary, not sure if it's fair to say it's bad to have good players in the booth but definitely being a good player doesn't make you a good commentator.

FYP

If your saying Polk shouldn't be barrelling the turn, then Torelli shouldn't be calling the turn as the commentator points out.

 I think its unfair saying the commentating is bad, its extremely good content from one of the guys. Whether you guys as a winning player want that sort of content being delivered in the public domain is your problem I'm afraid.

Not sure if the complaints are about the content, style or delivery of the commentary but as a fish I though it was pretty good.

The content of the commentary was good imo, it'd be better if they toned down the technical stuff though

If people need to need to know what a percentile of a distribution is before they can start getting interested in poker on TV, that isn't good for growth prospects

This is the thing.

If I'm watching golf, I don't need

"McIlroy can see the wind is coming from the South East at a fairly static 7mph. The ground on the green is drying but has a little moisture under the surface, so there should be a roughly 20% lower than normal bounce. So, he needs to play his standard six iron draw 10% higher than he would normally, in order to give him optimal reaction on landing. He'll aim it at 1:30 because that should give him the necessary draw in, given the wind.

He could alternatively play a seven iron with a lower trajectory and I don't hate that option. I mean, I guess he could do that and I've seen people play that shot in this spot before. It's a higher variance line because of the speed he'll be approaching the green with and I personally prefer limiting my range of outcomes."

Not many commentators in poker have worked that out.

It was very hard to listen to even for a few minutes.  God knows how a casual poker viewer could listen to it at all never mind for a few hours.  You are right the vast majority of poker comm's just don't get it or their audience.

Imagine the head of advanced analytics for an NFL team comm'ing on MNF on the NFL in a similar manner.  The viewing figures would fall through the floor.

The people who watch live at the bike (and especially this episode) are more advanced than somebody stumbling across it on bbc at 1am.

Probably at least half of the people watching have watched some of Dougs strategy videos.

8c 6c unblocks 99 - QQ which will be part of his range we are expecting success vs and also unblocks both flush draws so we can expect a lot of success on none spade / diamond rivers, it's a bad turn bet if not intending to follow Through favourable rivers though but since it's Polk I'm sure he had a plan.. Also expecting him to do some X/raising on turn with his very good hands so this makes river bet v good and highly successful as opponents range is gonna be weaker. Also we have bottom of range on river so bluff is mandatory

I think you can be technical when you are talking about poker but I don't think having two similar commentators is a good idea, admittedly I know very little about the whole show but the post flop discussion was just a bit dull, even for someone who has a high level of interest. I think the Ike + other combo from Durrr v Sammy George is the perfect combination. Literally zero shits given about the analysis improving viewers, Polk puts out bundles off stuff for free and anyone actually looking to improve would be in the wrong place and doing the wrong thing here. I would love for any aspiring players to watch this, I can only imagine the catastrophes it would end up in. Awful was a bit harsh but it started something i guess.

I think Doug Polk and Jason Somerville are both good for poker.  I normally love watching his stuff, and I really don't watch much.  Think this is just a big cock up all round though.

No set  no bet..its served me well

If that was at Luton that would be a good old fashioned spew, tried to get third pair to fold many times. Just doesn't happen.

I suppose when someone like Polk does it you like to think that he had planned to do it 4 hands ago and he has a deep thought process each street. When we do it it's usually because the 1/2 has just started.

I'll admit to being a bit of a Polk fanboy and I'm sure he will do a video explaining his thought process, I know he done a quick Facebook live session and talked about it but I can't help thinking that if he was reviewing this in a poker hands video he would be talking about making sure you bluff with equity and you have to fold some hands which 86cc would be a good candidate.

Maybe this is what is meant by next level thinking and this guy is such a wizard.

All that being said the content that Polk,  Torelli and my favourite Tonka put out for free is not just beyond helpful but for a poker enthusiast it's made everyday like Christmas, I certainly feel we are in a new type of era.

FYP

Not saying he should never bluff the turn, just saying he shouldn't bluff the turn here. If he's betting the flop pretty much always then hes going to find himself with a flush draw loads on the turn, and on top of that surely something with a big card in it has gotta be better than an a straight-up 0% hand. Think he's just flexing his muscles for TV tbh, Torrelli has forever been a massive station anyway I'm sure he knows this.

I tried that on my last day in vegas a few years ago playing $5/10 in the Bellagio
86 sooted button v queens small blind
We got 4 bet n flatted to an 8 high flop
Queen on the turn but donkey brains here carried on the bluff
As I walked after doing $ 1500 in the hand
The old guy with queens said " he played well yesterday must have had a brain fart "
I still cringe when I remember it
A good old spew is a good term Vinny !

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http://youtu.be/jM4f3Pv57u8

Help please, can never get this right.


EDIT;

Here we go Ommy;

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM4f3Pv57u8

Be great if Torelli done a video as well, giving his thought process. I get a feeling it might be quite similar to Polks'.

Thanks Tikay.

http://youtu.be/wQRQdMjeeq4

Finally Alec has put out a video with his thoughts about the hand. Abit surprised about his perspective from the turn where it seems he has a read on Doug and he talks a lot about feel rather than maths. Thoughts?

Cliffs:

I KNEW he was at it

At the end of the day, sometimes you've just gotta make a pair vs some people and hold on

Poulk's voice is annoying!


Interesting hand though. Obviously just knew Poulk was FOS