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Hey everyone, this will be a post regarding some recent dealings with Daniel Lowe (LiberatorNED on Party) to Paul Allen (Sheld0nc00per / Paul12907), which has taken place over the last month and a half. Paul has asked me to post this for him on here, since Dan has become a reasonably well known member of the community:

On the 17th April, Dan asked me to borrow £550 in order to buy into a Phase 1 tournament at the recent partypoker MILLIONS festival. I agreed, on the provision that he would pay it back the next day after he received money from his father. At the time Dan was staying with me for the festival rent free, and had been for some time, so it didn’t seem like there would be any issue. He stays at my house for several days at a time sometimes up to a week 2-3x a month on average to play at Dusk Till Dawn.

That was obviously well over a month ago, and Dan spent most of that time living with me until he left on the 14th May. I was asking him for the money regularly during this time, and was quickly starting to feel taken advantage of as more of the deadlines we set were passing.

Dan was continuing to play poker during this time at my local casino, tournaments and cash games. On the 11th May, Dan chopped one of these daily MTTs for a little over £1k (I’m unsure on the exact amount, he’s listed as finishing second, chops in this club are always ICM based and first is guaranteed at 1.2k). The next day, he goes out and buys himself a new Ipad as well as some other clothing type things and didn’t pay back any of what he owed. As part of this chop, he won a seat into a two day tournament at the weekend. He took at least three bullets at £220 a go, and ended up finishing 16th in the tournament on the 14th May for £1050 (listed on the club website). After this result he sat down in a cash game and lost AT LEAST a few hundred, and had his second massage of the weekend at £1 a minute for at least an hour on each day. I ended up sat in the same cash game as him that night and at no point did he pay me back any of the money, offer to pay me back any money, or even mention the issue as all, despite being reminded of the debt the previous day.

The next day he left early, and I didn’t manage to speak to him properly before he went home. That same day I sent him a message on Facebook asking about the situation with the debt, and he promised to pay it back within the week. We set a deadline for Friday 19th and I gave him my bank details. On this day [Friday 19th], I received no money, and no word from Dan until I messaged him myself at 2219, he said that he needed to visit the bank and would do so the next day and asked for my bank details again, which I provided him, and he acknowledged with a thumbs up. This deadline also passed. On Sunday, he was sent a message by my housemate regarding the issues over the debt, which he didn’t reply to. On Monday night / Tuesday morning 1200-0100 he was contacted regarding this post being made and replied instantly, citing unspecified family and personal problems as the reason for not paying me back and apologised, saying he would have it paid back by the coming Friday. At this point I didn’t feel like there was any point in dragging this out for another week, as people are speculating about this issue anyhow, and only for another deadline to pass, so I gave Dan until 1400 on Tuesday 23rd to pay, or this post would be made. This deadline has also passed, and given his standing in the poker community it seems prudent at this point to notify everyone of the situation should they consider any financial dealings with him.

At this time Dan owes £550. Any further developments and I will update this post.
This is not a post to slate Dan, it’s simply to make everyone here aware of the facts and to tell the truth over this issue, as it's being speculated about somewhat by people as it is.

Epic

:D

What have the police said?

Pics of masseuse?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZRe1kPWZw

Did he buy trainers for the swift getaway?

£1 per minute for a massage seems very toppy.

Seriously though

Glad this was posted, as it gives me a chance to share my own unsavoury dealings with a good standing member of the community.

Last year me and 3 relatively well known pro gamblers agreed a small wager on the Apprentice (TV show). Without going into detail, I picked a dreadful team but ran unbelievably golden, my bumbling team of idiots constantly swerved trouble whilst better candidates in better thought out teams fell and I ended up winning comfortably. I won about £1000,  £825 was won from the one person, prolly the best team too, you know how it goes.

So a week later I kindly message asking for the money even though I don't remotely deserve it I still won it at gambling so I should take it. I get some nonsense excuse about not wanting to send a bank transfer, followed by a vague message of intent to find some stars $ to send me. I wait another week, nothing. So I message again, and am met with some more nonsense about getting someone else to send the money. I know that in reality he just didn't want to pay me straight away because of what a huge luckbox I was in the bet.

About 10 days later a mutual friend of ours messages and says he's sent the money in full for the debt. A full month after the debt was due.

This is not intended to the slate the guy, just want to share the true facts of the matter and highlight to everyone that if you do business with this person the they might be left to wait for a time penalise you for your good fortune.
Debt currently stands at £0 but I was made to wait an unduly amount of time, and made to feel like I didn't deserve the money I won fair and square on the basis of how absolutely dreadful he ran with his far superior team.

I've been there mate..alls week that ends well though..pleased for you :)

This isn't going to end well.

I blame Dan

To funny.

Lol actually had to check the records, I knew you'd done your bollocks deep down but the story was so convincing!

6+ pages me thinks

It's a monkey, not 50k.

I've not been to DTD for a while, so wouldn't have a clue.

My sports masseuse is only £35 an hour, but he doesn't look like any of them :D

 rotflmfao

Just wanna get this stuff out in the open, where it belongs.

Nothing else to yap about tho :)

Dan!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2D3-FkoXNU

Linkmeplz, this could be a proper money saver

If you're a Notts lad, it would cost you about £100 a trip in fuel :D

Dan has now paid back £200 of the £550 he owes, and agreed to communicate once a week as to his situation regarding paying back the rest.

Cheers

Paul

Does anyone actually care about this shit?  I mean gamblers rip off other gamblers shocker.  Simple way of dealing with this don't lend to them. 

Course we do we love to throw shit about :)

...... you know that's the point of these posts, right? To try and make sure people don't lend money to people who aren't safe to lend to?

lol it's a risk of the industry some of the posts are comical

Update on my issue with un-named poker player

I was hoping for an apology, or at the very least I'd hope need change his ways since being outed, but actually he's just the same as ever. I think he's likely to do exactly the same again, any one gambles on reality TV with this guy and picks a useless shitty team and luckboxes a win is going to have to wait 25 days for the money.

These threads can save lives.

We mustn't forget how lucky we are to be born in an era where technology allows to be informed on matters such as these.

Born 100 years ago, and debts of many shillings would be paid and unpaid unbeknownst to society.

Unbenknownst is the worst of all scenarios.. hip hip for full disclosure of private 3rd party matters

Really? With the big ones I understand that but in the case of a few hundred here and there it's nothing more that getting one back against someone who's stimmed you for a few quid.

I get it, I really do but there's no need to sugar coat it.

This is very strange, I feel like I'm being told off for posting this? He isn't an "unnamed player", he's pretty well known around the midlands and this post was never designed to get back at him, or to make him change his ways, or to make him pay up. Do you all think it would have been better for me to just leave it? So if he goes and nicks some money off someone else, they should just leave it too because you think it's too bowl of an amount to be worthy of posting?

The entire reason for posts like this (from me anyway) is to let people know someone might not be a good investment, so if they start asking people for staking (which seemed like a possibility in this case) or asking people to borrow money etc then if they've seen this they'll know there's a higher chance than usual that they'll get grimmed. This is the main reason why places like the negative feedback thread exist, and why people happily use them. There has been more than a few occasions when that thread in particular has saved people money, and the reason this was posted here as well is because people on here will know him.

If this was just about having a go at the guy, maybe rather than just tell everyone what happened we'd have called him a few names, maybe got a bit aggressive, maybe not said "This is not a post to slate Dan, it’s simply to make everyone here aware of the facts and to tell the truth over this issue, as it's being speculated about somewhat by people as it is", maybe not bothered updating when Dan started paying some of the money back?

Really not sure why I'm basically being told I've done something wrong and should stfu here.

Ignore them Marris. They're just jealous cos no one wants to borrow their money.

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Not at all mate, I was just using it as an oppurtunity to needle STATO YEP I'M CALLING HIM OUT, he hasn't bitten though :( Alex enjoyed it, certainly didn't mean to make you feel bad.

Post on.

Keep them coming. Always like to hear about a good old grimming every now and then.

I still think it's about calling someone out to make you feel better about being muffed rather than protecting anyone else though and you'll struggle to convince me otherwise. I'm not faulting that by the way, I think people should be 'outed' more often as it's rife in the poker world.

I've been in a situation before where I was owed a reasonable amount for quite a while and was incredibly close to going public. Not sure what good it would've done other than make me feel better but I don't think anybody would've given a shit.

Meh.  If a hypothetical punter stiffs someone for a few hundred pretty sure they'd do the same for a bigger amount if given the chance.  Not sure why the amounts are relevant to be honest (unless the amount is disputed and immaterial to a larger transaction).

Surprised the word community hasn't been used yet. Easy to win t'internet if you say 'poker community'.

Would deffo have used that card against EvilPie there, hollow as it might've been.

You kinda did make the case but you do need to say the actual words 'poker community' for it to be valid I think.

Correct, although you're quite big and quite a decent chap so I might have pretended

Then lets just make a thread for every badly played hand in history.

** Breaking news ** A warning to the poker community.

A well known gambler from London, David Nicholson, aka lildave, aka Suuprilim, made an extremely loose peel preflop of a 4bet with J994r in a high stakes PLO cash game. And then called a flop bet on AK4. This is terrible play, and a warning to anyone considering staking him.

 :D

I PIOsolved that hand turns out it's fine.

No need to cancel any %'s guys.

Fwiw Matt I don't think you've done anything wrong, I think the point is if the gambler "community" (oh hai Mantis) thinks clubbing together and exposing people who are likely bad debtors is the correct course of action (I'm not saying it's not) there needs to be some sort of line drawn in the sand. I have heaps of £100-£300 debts that I've done someone a favour by lending them and they've just never paid it back. I've also myself in ym early days assively slow paid debts like this, actually a good story I remember from years and years ago,

I owed Salfi (who i know is not popular round here) £400, and my net worth at the time including his £400 was probably £800 - he asked for it back, I had it and didn't want to give him it, and gave pretty poor excuses everytime, after a while he rang me up and was like. Listen, I know you have it, I know you probably don't have more than 2x it behind and you don't want to give it to me, but this isn't has you conduct yourself if you're in gambling and I might be really useful time and time again in the future but as it stands I'll likely not want to do you a favour again. Lightbulb moment for me.

There are times when people are legitimately dangerous to be in circulation un-monitored, as the liklihood they are out to scam people is huge, then, there are people who are young, starting out, a little over their heads and need to be told what's what. Now in this case it certainly seems that the person owed was very reasonable so I'm not saying this is or isn't one of those circumstance. Just saying why it's incorrect precedent to call people out EVERY TIME something like this happens.

The amount should be irrelevant to the inner motive, but it's the real world and it just isn't. £220-500 things like this, if we all did it then there would be 15 threads a day. I think in reality this probably doesn't fall into the category of a transaction that needs outing, if I'm honest, but wouldn't want to dissuade you from posting again about potential scams as a result of this thread.

You only paying back the 400 because you wanted access to more "usefulness" from Salfi and had a lightbulb moment doesn't sound great.  Personally I'd have paid him back because it is the right thing to do?

Maybe my interpretation of integrity is just old fashioned these days and we should just treat it as standard if people don't bother paying trivial 500 pound debts.  The attitudes in this thread have pretty much put me off staking anyone!

Never been able to get my head around this borrowing money business from other gamblers, I'd be far too ashamed to ask anyone outside of my mum (which I've done a handful of times in my life). I'd literally rather live on bread and water than ask to borrow money. If I don't have the means or can't reasonably borrow from legit sources (banks etc) then forget it....

Interesting discussion about usefulness. Upon reflection I only keep the mrs around because she's useful. I mean if she stopped being useful I think that would be the end.

We're not all stand up guys though, I'm in the middle of a long con myself. Around a hundo for Hendo if I keep it going.

I've lent a degen money twice - incidental amounts, I like him because he entertains me when he talks to me like he's my bestie, asking about my family and all, before he moves in for the borrow.

Him aside, I wouldn't lend a penny, especially not to gamblers, nor would I ask for anything but I guess that's just luck that I don't have to.

I remember back in the day when I used to do rather well in gala Notts, one of the regulars came up to me and started asking if I wanted some 'horses' in one of the bigger tourneys coming up there. I literally had no clue what he was talking about and just naively bluffed and said no thanks!  rotflmfao  Didn't even occur to me that people had to borrow money to gamble back them, when the penny finally dropped a few months later when hearing a conversation at the table I was wtf! No money, no gamble!  ;snoopy'sguns;

Why gamble with gamblers when you have a bullet proof brexit induced pension?  Makes no sense.  Some people have to gamble to eat!  Some people spend half the year on holiday making others jealous on 'where are you now?' freds with their pictures!

Yup, there is this thing called a job, responsibility and stability mate, I know that might seem like an alien concept, but that's what makes the world turn  ;nana;

I have a job as well.  I am self employed by choice and enjoy legal tax free income and my choice of working hours/location/choice of holidays as and when i want reporting to no body but don't invest in a pension because there is no tax benefit of doing so.  If you treat it like a business/job you will get the returns from your investment providing you have the talent.  I have never ripped anyone off/not paid anyone/slow paid anyone in my life.  Numerous have me over the years with all the bullshit excuses under the sun.  One famous face from blonde currently still owes me nearly 5 figures for over 2 years after basically borrowing £10k without permission from me by putting bets on for me (i paid on) and deciding when he will return the money he owes me at his pleasure using numerous excuses for why he can't return my initial stake which i paid up front in cash to him and profit from said bookmakers for the bets he put on for me.  Outing him on here doesn't help me get paid so i won't reveal.  Said guy will have 6 figures in equity in his house for sure but can't provide instant payment for a £10k debt and has also had a big 5 figure MTT bink in the same 2 year period and said 'i was staked i didn't see a penny of it' blah blah blah.  He profited from my winning bets on top of having a 2+year interest free loan of £10k without my permission.  If you think this thread was bad there would be numerous people who could start much worse threads about really top class people who are AAA rate supposedly.  I think i am the only person in the whole gambling world who should have a AAA rating.  I have never borrowed from anyone in my life to ever need a credit rating.  I find it incredible how people can hold non cash assets such as houses and think they have no right to liquidate the asset instantly to pay off their debts.  This has wound me up beyond belief to the point where like Dung i will never ever have any involvement again with anyone financially in the gambling game no matter how 'lolbigtime' they are.

Redarmi still hasn't paid the majority staker in his £30k staking deal after agreeing a repayment plan.  He works for poker stars/bet stars and still thinks it is acceptable to work in the game but totally ignore all his debts for over a year to what he agreed to pay.  Again 5 figures owed and no intention to be a man and pay off what you owe but continue to work in the industry and make a living from the game whilst basically robbing people blind with very little intention of ever paying them back.  The game is full of scum.

Well I hope it continues us to work out for you mate, but as one poster said the other week (might have been lil Dave?) for every person gambling makes it destroys another 20, that's why I've always stuck to what I can afford within my means, because gambling is still fun if it's controlled in the right way......for me anyway....

No idea why the impacted don't just inform his employers with their pristine mega brand of his utter lack of integrity.  Not impacted myself but if this is true I would burn him in their shoes.  Poker punters are bizarre.

Would they really care?  They have been breaking the law for nearly a decade operating in the USA to gain huge market advantage over their rivals?  Does it get the guy paid any quicker/at all by doing so?  Ultimately that's all he/I would care about.  I couldn't care less about anyone else.

As usual with me i pay instantly Dung as you know.  We had one financial dealing and you got paid in full in cash (4 figure sum) on the agreed date even though we have never met in person and probably never will.  Both of these guys are guys who have never had a 'proper job' and spent their entire working lives as 'lol pro gamblers' for well over a decade.  It is amazing how people who do this day in day out for a living have such disregard for their image.  Do they really think people don't talk behind closed doors about them amongst themselves to other pros?

The majority staker isn't myself just for clarity.  I am fully paid off thankfully.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/tennis-champion-boris-becker-declared-bankrupt/

It happens to the best of them

Not sure what is more made up?  Boris ever being worth £100m!!!!!!!!!!!!lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz or Boris not loving a broom cupboard.

If you operate in the poker / gambling world, debts just come and go every single day.

You have a close network of people that you are happy to just keep tabs with because you work with them so frequently.

I've got running tabs with probably 30-40 people and some in 3 separate currencies. And probably dealt with 100 more beyond that with no problems. Very very few bad experiences.

I'm like arbboy in that I very rarely borrow myself. I always prepare well for trips abroad etc (where most of the lending happens when ppl are short of USD in Vegas for eg). But sometimes I get in a spot where a game is kicking off and I don't have liquid in that particular casino and a friend does, it's nice to call on a favour.

Or you're on a night out in Vegas and things escalate beyond what you imagined they would and a friend spots you for the next $200 craps syndicate...

Obviously you're right that doing the right thing should be the primary motivation to re-paying debts, that wasn't really the point I was trying to make though, the point I was making was that I was a young 18yr old kid, in over my head, being a dick and Salfi, who is someone who has looked out for me all my adult life, rather than outing me and trying to give me a bad name and make people nervous for the future dealing with me, just sat me down and gave me a good talking too. The main point of his conversation was not that you need to pay people back so you get good credit, it was that being open, honest and reliable in financial matters is not only the correct way to behave ethically, but it's also the way to make sure people will continue to do business with you, which is not irrelevant as an aspiring gambler.

10yrs on I still remember the conversation vividly and learnt from it, since that day I've had a rule that 100% honesty and transparency with financial dealings is the way to go....

"Hey mate, can I borrow £5k until this euro wire gets in on Tuesday?"
"Hey mate, I'm under it can I borrow £5k until I'm back on my feet?"

Two requests, both for £5k. Totally different, in A you're expecting your money back Tuesday pronto no fucking about.
in B you're asking for an extended unspecified period of credit. In both instances the person lending the money knows the situation and can decide if he wants to lend the money or not.

I have borrowed, owed, traded, handled 6figure balances with people and, although I have been a bit slow and disorganised a few times settling things with people but I'd be pretty confident no-one would have a bad word to say about dealing with me financially.

Not saying that the victim in this story didnt try do everything possible and certainly sounds like he's been incredibly reasonable, just saying that this incident doesn't make Dan Lowe a bad person and I suspect what he really needs is a Salfi bollocking and perhaps outing wasn't the best method.

Yep, that was me. I always get a warm fuzzy feeling when Woodsey agrees with me on something :)

The person in question hasn't paid me either Arb. July 2015 was our first pm on the subject. *


*I was told the person made a payment, and when the debt was brought up by a third party six months later, I went to check and couldn't find it in my audits.

It's getting there 😎