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Title: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 11, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
Several topics have got my goat today, but the by product of this perve and his exploits has annoyed me quite a bit.

Bound to get the usual bunch on my case, but here goes.

It strikes me that when stories like this surface suddenly loads of people have back stories ranging from some innuendo, to touching, to threats to full on rape.

Firstly, let me make it very clear, I dont condone his actions, and feel very badly for those who suffered.

Those I don't feel sorry for are the Gwyneth Paltrow, Angellina Jolie types who claim to have been subjected to similar from HW, but never said a word. Why the hell not? He couldn't ruin their careers, even if they did wait for years to do it, jumping on the bandwagon to me, says they are almost as guilty, as women with the sort of influence they have could have brought a stop to it years ago, and saved god knows how many other woman from having to go through it.

To my mind, their not reporting the crime, amkes them guily of some other form of crime.

Several pieces I have read and seen over the last few days, suggest this has been Hollywoods dirty secret for some time(even jokes at award ceremonies I saw earlier, with 5 nominations, and the host joking all were now famous enough to be safe from the clutches of HW).

It reminds me of the rather camp uncle of my best mate, who worked at the BBC. For years when he visited at Xmas he would tell us tales of Jimmy Saville, that none of us believed, until they all came out. But he said that it was common knowledge round the BBC, and when people known for rather large teeth were parading round on TV, utterly disgusted, it felt rather like  Meryl Streep being all holier than thou about disowning her friend.

Had she never heard the rumours before?

Yes, I wonder.......


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on October 11, 2017, 04:29:12 PM
It's become a huge story, "front page news" right across the globe. I'm not sure it is front page news.

What he done was, of course, bang out of order. Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. I mean, nobody writes a formal letter asking if a lady is up for it, do they? We either got no reaction - "go on then" - or, at worst, a slap round the chops & the girl was lost to our intended desires. The ladies in this Weinstein case are being described as suffering "unspeakable pain" because some pervy old sod made an improper suggestion, or touched the lady improperly. At the risk of incurring the wrath of many, I can't help but think that this is not being overhyped.  One well-known actress said "he invited me to have a bath with him". That's "unspeakable pain"? Sounds like a flippant try on to me, similar to millions of others, & it's a long way from a crime or even disrespect.  "Unspeakable pain" is living in a refugee camp with no sanitation or hope, not batting away a bloke who wants to touch your butt cheeks, & keeping schtum because you want to be a film star so much that you don't say a word for 30 years. If it were that bad, they'd have spoken up, or sued him, at the time. But no, they wanted to be film stars, so it was OK.

I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him, no, but the hero to zero thing fascinates me. He was Billy Big Shot 3 or 4 days ago, respected for his skills & abilities, a master of his craft (film-production) got a bunch of Oscars or Oscar noms, got his own successful business, the whole works. 5 days later he has lost the lot, all his friends, everyone loathes him, he got the tin tack from the company he founded 12 years ago, & today, his missus walked out. Losing his wife suits him I guess, if he has been a serial philanderer, but it's not losing her that is the pain, it's the shame, along with everything else that even his wife won't share a roof with him. In some ways, its not unreasonable to say he's paid his bill in full, & some. I don't have a problem with the bill he has paid, but let's be right, he's paid well over the top.  Arguably.

If he does have a friend or two left, I'm guessing he ought to hold onto them tightly, as life is gonna be pretty shitty for the rest of his life.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 11, 2017, 04:32:35 PM
Chuck your money on a woman winning best director next year at the Oscars as part of the big Hollywood atonement


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 11, 2017, 04:37:25 PM

It's become a huge story, "front page news" right across the globe. I'm not sure it is front page news.

What he done was, of course, bang out of order. Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. I mean, nobody writes a formal letter asking if a lady is up for it, do they? We either got no reaction - "go on then" - or, at worst, a slap round the chops & the girl was lost to our intended desires. The ladies in this Weinstein case are being described as suffering "unspeakable pain" because some pervy old sod made an improper suggestion, or touched the lady improperly. At the risk of incurring the wrath of many, I can't help but think that this is not being overhyped.  One well-known actress said "he invited me to have a bath with him". That's "unspeakable pain"? Sounds like a flippant try on to me, similar to millions of others, & it's a long way from a crime or even disrespect.   

I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him, no, but the hero to zero thing fascinates me. He was Billy Big Shot 3 or 4 days ago, respected for his skills & abilities, a master of his craft (film-production) got a bunch of Oscars or Oscar noms, got his own successful business, the whole works. 5 days later he has lost the lot, all his friends, everyone loathes him, he got the tin tack from the company he founded 12 years ago, & today, his missus walked out. Losing his wife suits him I guess, if he has been a serial philanderer, but it's not losing her that is the pain, it's the shame, along with everything else that even his wife won't share a roof with him. In some ways, its not unreasonable to say he's paid his bill in full, & some. 

If he does have a friend or two left, I'm guessing he ought to hold onto them tightly, as life is gonna be pretty shitty for the rest of his life.


Your first part of the reply does evoke a series of flash backs, where you think, bloody hell, I have done far worse than ask a woman to have a bath with me! Thankfully as a day to day nobody, I doubt these things will ever resurface!1

Again though, as you suggest, where do we draw the line these days, bar write a thoroughly proper invitation to "get together" with an RSVP??


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on October 11, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Chuck your money on a woman winning best director next year at the Oscars as part of the big Hollywood atonement

Nap.

As in Hollywood over-reaction.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on October 11, 2017, 04:41:24 PM

It's become a huge story, "front page news" right across the globe. I'm not sure it is front page news.

What he done was, of course, bang out of order. Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. I mean, nobody writes a formal letter asking if a lady is up for it, do they? We either got no reaction - "go on then" - or, at worst, a slap round the chops & the girl was lost to our intended desires. The ladies in this Weinstein case are being described as suffering "unspeakable pain" because some pervy old sod made an improper suggestion, or touched the lady improperly. At the risk of incurring the wrath of many, I can't help but think that this is not being overhyped.  One well-known actress said "he invited me to have a bath with him". That's "unspeakable pain"? Sounds like a flippant try on to me, similar to millions of others, & it's a long way from a crime or even disrespect.   

I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him, no, but the hero to zero thing fascinates me. He was Billy Big Shot 3 or 4 days ago, respected for his skills & abilities, a master of his craft (film-production) got a bunch of Oscars or Oscar noms, got his own successful business, the whole works. 5 days later he has lost the lot, all his friends, everyone loathes him, he got the tin tack from the company he founded 12 years ago, & today, his missus walked out. Losing his wife suits him I guess, if he has been a serial philanderer, but it's not losing her that is the pain, it's the shame, along with everything else that even his wife won't share a roof with him. In some ways, its not unreasonable to say he's paid his bill in full, & some. 

If he does have a friend or two left, I'm guessing he ought to hold onto them tightly, as life is gonna be pretty shitty for the rest of his life.


Your first part of the reply does evoke a series of flash backs, where you think, bloody hell, I have done far worse than ask a woman to have a bath with me! Thankfully as a day to day nobody, I doubt these things will ever resurface!1

Again though, as you suggest, where do we draw the line these days, bar write a thoroughly proper invitation to "get together" with an RSVP??

Surely most of us have? We either got the green light, or a slap. It was that simple.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on October 11, 2017, 05:22:05 PM
W: "Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted me"

M: "I don't believe you"

W: "Here's the proof"

M: "Why didn't you say something earlier? It's your fault he carried on abusing others"


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Woodsey on October 11, 2017, 06:04:38 PM

It's become a huge story, "front page news" right across the globe. I'm not sure it is front page news.

What he done was, of course, bang out of order. Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. I mean, nobody writes a formal letter asking if a lady is up for it, do they? We either got no reaction - "go on then" - or, at worst, a slap round the chops & the girl was lost to our intended desires. The ladies in this Weinstein case are being described as suffering "unspeakable pain" because some pervy old sod made an improper suggestion, or touched the lady improperly. At the risk of incurring the wrath of many, I can't help but think that this is not being overhyped.  One well-known actress said "he invited me to have a bath with him". That's "unspeakable pain"? Sounds like a flippant try on to me, similar to millions of others, & it's a long way from a crime or even disrespect.   

I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him, no, but the hero to zero thing fascinates me. He was Billy Big Shot 3 or 4 days ago, respected for his skills & abilities, a master of his craft (film-production) got a bunch of Oscars or Oscar noms, got his own successful business, the whole works. 5 days later he has lost the lot, all his friends, everyone loathes him, he got the tin tack from the company he founded 12 years ago, & today, his missus walked out. Losing his wife suits him I guess, if he has been a serial philanderer, but it's not losing her that is the pain, it's the shame, along with everything else that even his wife won't share a roof with him. In some ways, its not unreasonable to say he's paid his bill in full, & some. 

If he does have a friend or two left, I'm guessing he ought to hold onto them tightly, as life is gonna be pretty shitty for the rest of his life.


Your first part of the reply does evoke a series of flash backs, where you think, bloody hell, I have done far worse than ask a woman to have a bath with me! Thankfully as a day to day nobody, I doubt these things will ever resurface!1

Again though, as you suggest, where do we draw the line these days, bar write a thoroughly proper invitation to "get together" with an RSVP??

Surely most of us have? We either got the green light, or a slap. It was that simple.

My big boss used to get all sorts of advances from girls within the company at get togethers when the booze flowed, it was mostly simply because he was the big boss. So it works the other way too, some girls are more than willing to get their leg over to get a leg up....


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Jon MW on October 12, 2017, 06:13:13 AM
... Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. ...

Some of it may be a little hyperbolic - but he wasn't 'trying to make out' with them - he was meant to be employing them.

Here is a handy guide I saw posted which explains the difficulty of working with girls women

https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af (https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af)  :)

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*0lICAStbBtSUJ0b9QPQ1WQ.png)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 12, 2017, 07:37:48 AM
... Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. ...

Some of it may be a little hyperbolic - but he wasn't 'trying to make out' with them - he was meant to be employing them.

Here is a handy guide I saw posted which explains the difficulty of working with girls women

https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af (https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af)  :)

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*0lICAStbBtSUJ0b9QPQ1WQ.png)

Good stuff, nearly impossible to do but something to aspire to :-).


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 12, 2017, 08:43:14 AM
LOL.

The reality is that in no time at all we will all be gender neutral as every bugger will end up too scared to chat anyone up.....


(see what I did there....two threads etc.. ;))


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Woodsey on October 12, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
... Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. ...

Some of it may be a little hyperbolic - but he wasn't 'trying to make out' with them - he was meant to be employing them.

Here is a handy guide I saw posted which explains the difficulty of working with girls women

https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af (https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af)  :)

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*0lICAStbBtSUJ0b9QPQ1WQ.png)

Easier to only hire ugly birds, no-one will believe you wanted to shag them anyway  ;danafish;


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Archer on October 12, 2017, 08:49:57 AM
Six reasons why his victims didn't report:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/six-reasons-harvey-weinsteins-victims-didnt-report/





Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: nirvana on October 12, 2017, 08:50:23 AM
... Cast our minds back to when we were in our teens or twenties & were trying to make out with a girl, most of us tried a little improperly placed hand or form of words to test the reaction. ...

Some of it may be a little hyperbolic - but he wasn't 'trying to make out' with them - he was meant to be employing them.

Here is a handy guide I saw posted which explains the difficulty of working with girls women

https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af (https://medium.com/@annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af)  :)

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*0lICAStbBtSUJ0b9QPQ1WQ.png)

I like this - although, I think that when I was younger I fell more into the trying too hard to be fair and respectful camp than the predator lobby.

But that's just my perspective, I really don't think I've ever been inappropriate with women at work but I've said some scandalous (in a vacuum) things, had relationships with people I work with and met my wife at work. I hope I never unwittingly hurt anybody.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Woodsey on October 12, 2017, 08:55:41 AM
LOL.

The reality is that in no time at all we will all be gender neutral as every bugger will end up too scared to chat anyone up.....


(see what I did there....two threads etc.. ;))

We will die out as a species, everyone will be scared to try and shag another person for fear of being blamed for doing something wrong  ::)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on October 12, 2017, 11:58:41 PM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on October 13, 2017, 12:17:49 AM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.

No one said a word, or complained about his behaviour as far as I know.

And he was a fraction as famous/powerful as Harvey Weinstein.

Completely understand why no one spoke up to out Weinstein.



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 13, 2017, 08:14:54 AM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.

No one said a word, or complained about his behaviour as far as I know.

And he was a fraction as famous/powerful as Harvey Weinstein.

Completely understand why no one spoke up to out Weinstein.




Is it too late to stand up and be counted?

If you now feel so strongly to mention it, surely you should name and shame? :dontask:


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on October 13, 2017, 09:27:25 AM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.

No one said a word, or complained about his behaviour as far as I know.

And he was a fraction as famous/powerful as Harvey Weinstein.

Completely understand why no one spoke up to out Weinstein.




Is it too late to stand up and be counted?

If you now feel so strongly to mention it, surely you should name and shame? :dontask:

Hardly takes a rocket scientist to work out who I'm talking about.

I just asked my missus if she thought any poker player might have been guilty of the same sort of behaviour Weinstein displayed.

She immediately named the same person even though she didn't witness the two serious events I did.

Ask any player who played in the same era (roughly 1998 to 2010) I did, and a pound to penny they'll say the same individual.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 13, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.

No one said a word, or complained about his behaviour as far as I know.

And he was a fraction as famous/powerful as Harvey Weinstein.

Completely understand why no one spoke up to out Weinstein.




Is it too late to stand up and be counted?

If you now feel so strongly to mention it, surely you should name and shame? :dontask:

Hardly takes a rocket scientist to work out who I'm talking about.

I just asked my missus if she thought any poker player might have been guilty of the same sort of behaviour Weinstein displayed.

She immediately named the same person even though she didn't witness the two serious events I did.

Ask any player who played in the same era (roughly 1998 to 2010) I did, and a pound to penny they'll say the same individual.


So if any of those players will say, why won't you?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on October 13, 2017, 09:45:27 AM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.

No one said a word, or complained about his behaviour as far as I know.

And he was a fraction as famous/powerful as Harvey Weinstein.

Completely understand why no one spoke up to out Weinstein.




Is it too late to stand up and be counted?

If you now feel so strongly to mention it, surely you should name and shame? :dontask:

Hardly takes a rocket scientist to work out who I'm talking about.

I just asked my missus if she thought any poker player might have been guilty of the same sort of behaviour Weinstein displayed.

She immediately named the same person even though she didn't witness the two serious events I did.

Ask any player who played in the same era (roughly 1998 to 2010) I did, and a pound to penny they'll say the same individual.


So if any of those players will say, why won't you?

Would they say in private? Yes.

Would they name him on a public forum? Probably not.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on October 13, 2017, 09:46:16 AM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.

No one said a word, or complained about his behaviour as far as I know.

And he was a fraction as famous/powerful as Harvey Weinstein.

Completely understand why no one spoke up to out Weinstein.




Is it too late to stand up and be counted?

If you now feel so strongly to mention it, surely you should name and shame? :dontask:

Hardly takes a rocket scientist to work out who I'm talking about.

I just asked my missus if she thought any poker player might have been guilty of the same sort of behaviour Weinstein displayed.

She immediately named the same person even though she didn't witness the two serious events I did.

Ask any player who played in the same era (roughly 1998 to 2010) I did, and a pound to penny they'll say the same individual.

The moment I read your Post, I knew who you were referring to, & I daresay everyone else did, too.

I witnessed it first hand as long as 12 or 13 years ago. I was a nobody at the bottom of the poker pyramid, he sat atop the pyramid & was immensely respected. I suppose I was not brave enough to speak up about such a "respected" figure in the game, especially from where I sat in the game.

But the main reason nothing was said was that times were different then. They just were. What was perceived as acceptable then is quite the opposite now.

Times have changed beyond belief in a very short time.  



(http://i.imgur.com/4zxYjkN.jpg) (https://imgur.com/4zxYjkN)



(http://i.imgur.com/BlUszFD.jpg) (https://imgur.com/BlUszFD)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 13, 2017, 10:26:28 AM
I too knew exactly who you were talking about, but the point is, its the Bandwagon Bill stuff I was on about at the start.

Times have changed, and it was considered acceptable to turn a blind eye, or even tolerate the the action. So I do get worked up about the holier than thou types that get on their high horse about moral issues, who could have done stuff, but didn't, but now want to tell the world how wrong it was, and how appalled they were. 

How many of these really bad people may have been stopped in their tracks if just one of these "blind eyers" had said something in the early days? Maybe some werent aware of the gravity of what they were doing, and as each case got worse, and they were continually allowed to do it, maybe they saw it as, almost, an encouragement from others. Who knows?

Doesn't make it right, but I also feel those acknowledging it and doing nothing makes them somewhat part of the problem, however minor.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on October 13, 2017, 10:38:37 AM
I wonder why prominent members of rock bands in the 70's, 80's & 90's, many of whom command media & general respect to this day, escaped censure over this sort of thing?

They openly boasted, wrote it in books, discussed in interviews, of what happened after Shows, with so-called groupies, many of them under age I believe, being invited back to parties in hotel rooms?

These guys are still around, & still seen as Gods of pop and rock music. Jagger (who is an MBE), Richards, Anthony Keidis, Rod Stewart - SIR Rodney these days.

Or Bill Wyman, of whom Wiki states;

The June 2006 issue of Maxim magazine ranked Wyman at number 10 on its "Living Sex Legends" list, as he is reputed to have had sex with over 1,000 women.

On 2 June 1989, aged 52, Wyman married 18-year-old Mandy Smith, whom he had been dating since she was 13 and he was 47 years old. According to Smith, their relationship was sexually consummated when she was 14 years old

Is that worse or better than Weinstein's antics?

Did the public at large disapprove, was their a media hoohah about it? I don't think so.

I just think times & attitudes have changed. What was deemed acceptable then is not acceptable now.

  


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Doobs on October 13, 2017, 10:49:55 AM
I wonder why prominent members of rock bands in the 70's, 80's & 90's, many of whom command media & general respect to this day, escaped censure over this sort of thing?

They openly boasted, wrote it in books, discussed in interviews, of what happened after Shows, with so-called groupies, many of them under age I believe, being invited back to parties in hotel rooms?

These guys are still around, & still seen as Gods of pop and rock music. Jagger (who is an MBE), Richards, Anthony Keidis, Rod Stewart - SIR Rodney these days.

Or Bill Wyman, of whom Wiki states;

The June 2006 issue of Maxim magazine ranked Wyman at number 10 on its "Living Sex Legends" list, as he is reputed to have had sex with over 1,000 women.

On 2 June 1989, aged 52, Wyman married 18-year-old Mandy Smith, whom he had been dating since she was 13 and he was 47 years old. According to Smith, their relationship was sexually consummated when she was 14 years old

Is that worse or better than Weinstein's antics?

Did the public at large disapprove, was their a media hoohah about it? I don't think so.

I just think times & attitudes have changed. What was deemed acceptable then is not acceptable now.

  

We are talking a few years ago with Mr Anon and Weinstein? 

Things were not very different then.  We aren't talking about the 60s, and bringing it up now is pretty irrelevent.



 


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: 4KSuited on October 13, 2017, 10:59:36 AM
Bill Wyman was just a creepy guy who took advantage of what was offered up to him by dint of being in a famous rock n roll band, and I dare say quite a few of his conquests thought they'd actually end up with Mick. However, the Many Smith affair I found to be pretty repugnant, but although consensual, I still can't understand why he was never charged with having sexual relations with a minor: I can only suppose that there was never a complainant?

Weinstein, however, is a man in power who simply took what he thought was his right. A bully, who wouldn't take no for an answer in his aggressive pursuit of sex acts with the next 20-26 year old wannabe that he came into contact with.

Personally, I think there's a big difference in their behaviour. Whereas Bill's birds will probably feel embarrassed by their own acts with him, Harvey's will feel like victims.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Ironside on October 13, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
I wonder why prominent members of rock bands in the 70's, 80's & 90's, many of whom command media & general respect to this day, escaped censure over this sort of thing?

They openly boasted, wrote it in books, discussed in interviews, of what happened after Shows, with so-called groupies, many of them under age I believe, being invited back to parties in hotel rooms?

These guys are still around, & still seen as Gods of pop and rock music. Jagger (who is an MBE), Richards, Anthony Keidis, Rod Stewart - SIR Rodney these days.

Or Bill Wyman, of whom Wiki states;

The June 2006 issue of Maxim magazine ranked Wyman at number 10 on its "Living Sex Legends" list, as he is reputed to have had sex with over 1,000 women.

On 2 June 1989, aged 52, Wyman married 18-year-old Mandy Smith, whom he had been dating since she was 13 and he was 47 years old. According to Smith, their relationship was sexually consummated when she was 14 years old

Is that worse or better than Weinstein's antics?

Did the public at large disapprove, was their a media hoohah about it? I don't think so.

I just think times & attitudes have changed. What was deemed acceptable then is not acceptable now.

   
tabloids kicked up a lot in late 80s over the Mandy Smith thing I remember reading about it at the time it was front page news


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 13, 2017, 12:10:27 PM
I don't know who it is.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 13, 2017, 12:10:55 PM
It's not me is it?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on October 13, 2017, 12:11:26 PM
I don't know who it is.


 ;fishing;


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 13, 2017, 12:28:40 PM
See, I really want to get involved in this now, rustle some feathers and take people to task, but I'm just going to keep my thoughts to myself and move on.

Good eh?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Woodsey on October 13, 2017, 12:53:22 PM
I have no idea either....


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: bobAlike on October 13, 2017, 12:55:30 PM
I have no idea either....


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: roshambo on October 13, 2017, 01:09:36 PM
Yet the same LA types love Roman Polanski, a man who raped a 13 year old girl and fled the US to France when he found out he would be put back in jail. Has won numerous accolades since.

How many of these ladies have actually suffered? but more interestingly how many of them have spoken to the Police and how many have spoken to the press?

Disagree with what he has done but i m sure for everyone that comes out against him behind closed doors 5 will be happy with their decision to sleep with him.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: roshambo on October 13, 2017, 01:10:33 PM
A famous poker player was definitely guilty of similar behaviour on numerous occasions.

It is to my eternal shame that I never said or a word or tried to stop him on the 2 or 3 occasions I saw him do it.

No one said a word, or complained about his behaviour as far as I know.


And he was a fraction as famous/powerful as Harvey Weinstein.

Completely understand why no one spoke up to out Weinstein.




Is it too late to stand up and be counted?

If you now feel so strongly to mention it, surely you should name and shame? :dontask:

Hardly takes a rocket scientist to work out who I'm talking about.

I just asked my missus if she thought any poker player might have been guilty of the same sort of behaviour Weinstein displayed.

She immediately named the same person even though she didn't witness the two serious events I did.

Ask any player who played in the same era (roughly 1998 to 2010) I did, and a pound to penny they'll say the same individual.


So if any of those players will say, why won't you?

Would they say in private? Yes.

Would they name him on a public forum? Probably not.

English or American ?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: nirvana on October 13, 2017, 01:26:39 PM
See, I really want to get involved in this now, rustle some feathers and take people to task, but I'm just going to keep my thoughts to myself and move on.

Good eh?

It's one of the 5 main plot lines here (Blonde passim)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Doobs on October 13, 2017, 01:32:08 PM
Yet the same LA types love Roman Polanski, a man who raped a 13 year old girl and fled the US to France when he found out he would be put back in jail. Has won numerous accolades since.

How many of these ladies have actually suffered? but more interestingly how many of them have spoken to the Police and how many have spoken to the press?

Disagree with what he has done but i m sure for everyone that comes out against him behind closed doors 5 will be happy with their decision to sleep with him.

Some LA types love Roman Polanski.  Some don't.

What does it matter if some people are happy with their dealings with Weinstein, others clearly aren't.  Every complete shit in the World will have been nice to somebody at least once. 

Some women are attracted to wealthy men, most women would be pretty appalled if an ageing fat male boss made sexual advances towards them in his hotel room. 

And despite what it is said by people here, every single man in this thread would be pretty traumatised if a fat swetty old male boss made advances to them when they had just started a new job.  This wasn't something that you would watch on youporn, and the person making advances isn't somebody who you would like to make sexytime with. 

I get that the children of Raqqa would see it as not as traumatic as some of their experiences, but if it happened to me, I would be right up there in my worst experiences.



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: roshambo on October 13, 2017, 01:46:34 PM
Yet the same LA types love Roman Polanski, a man who raped a 13 year old girl and fled the US to France when he found out he would be put back in jail. Has won numerous accolades since.

How many of these ladies have actually suffered? but more interestingly how many of them have spoken to the Police and how many have spoken to the press?

Disagree with what he has done but i m sure for everyone that comes out against him behind closed doors 5 will be happy with their decision to sleep with him.

Some LA types love Roman Polanski.  Some don't.

What does it matter if some people are happy with their dealings with Weinstein, others clearly aren't.  Every complete shit in the World will have been nice to somebody at least once. 

Some women are attracted to wealthy men, most women would be pretty appalled if an ageing fat male boss made sexual advances towards them in his hotel room. 

And despite what it is said by people here, every single man in this thread would be pretty traumatised if a fat swetty old male boss made advances to them when they had just started a new job.  This wasn't something that you would watch on youporn, and the person making advances isn't somebody who you would like to make sexytime with. 

I get that the children of Raqqa would see it as not as traumatic as some of their experiences, but if it happened to me, I would be right up there in my worst experiences.



like I said I dont agree with it and have sympathy for those truly affected by his actions, but nowadays everyone and their dog loves to jump on the bandwagon. How many people who haven't had work in 20 yrs will blame him publicly.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 13, 2017, 01:48:02 PM
At the end of the day, what he did was a crime.

Are we not supposed to report crime, when we see it happen?

If it were a murder, would we just sit tight, and then when the police have caught the perp, suddenly pipe up and admit we knew all about it?



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on October 13, 2017, 02:52:55 PM
At the end of the day, what he did was a crime.

Are we not supposed to report crime, when we see it happen?

If it were a murder, would we just sit tight, and then when the police have caught the perp, suddenly pipe up and admit we knew all about it?



It really isn't that simple.

As we have seen in the Harvey Weinstein cases. There are a myriad of reasosn people don't report what has happened and you are naive for thinking otherwise.

Having said that, after witnessing what I saw I locked the image away. It really was repulsive. And I haven't thought about it for nearly 20 years until I saw a tweet from a woman saying something like "we owe to women everywhere to report men from any industry who have behaved in this manner" and the incident came flooding back.

I have a lot of guilt now that I never reported what I saw, realistically there was no way I could have stopped it at the time. But everyone at the table saw it. We are all culpable.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: titaniumbean on October 13, 2017, 02:57:46 PM
You can become president bragging about being a sexual assaulter.


What's surely more important is how many people this 'should' come out about not just this one twat i've never heard of.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: POWWWWWWWW on October 13, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
At the end of the day, what he did was a crime.

Are we not supposed to report crime, when we see it happen?

If it were a murder, would we just sit tight, and then when the police have caught the perp, suddenly pipe up and admit we knew all about it?



Obv depends on the situation. In the vast amount of cases we report it. But if we witness a well known mobster/gang member kill someone not a chance I'd report it. The consequences waaaaaay out way the benefits. It's very hard for an individual to come forward alone and take on these kind of people when they know they're putting their lives/families lives at risk, like the women probably feel with their careers or worse.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: AndrewT on October 13, 2017, 03:10:49 PM
At the end of the day, what he did was a crime.

Are we not supposed to report crime, when we see it happen?

If it were a murder, would we just sit tight, and then when the police have caught the perp, suddenly pipe up and admit we knew all about it?

But with a murder there’s corroborating evidence - a body, weapon, forensics etc which would back up our claim.

Whereas ‘this fella starting wanking in front of me in a hotel room with just the two of us present’ is not going to go anywhere as a case - but would leave the very real probability that my work as an actress suddenly dries up.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: bobAlike on October 13, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
So is it safe to assume all the bad actresses we see on our screens today didn't have a problem with it?

Too soon?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Woodsey on October 13, 2017, 03:32:09 PM
Yet the same LA types love Roman Polanski, a man who raped a 13 year old girl and fled the US to France when he found out he would be put back in jail. Has won numerous accolades since.

How many of these ladies have actually suffered? but more interestingly how many of them have spoken to the Police and how many have spoken to the press?

Disagree with what he has done but i m sure for everyone that comes out against him behind closed doors 5 will be happy with their decision to sleep with him.

Some LA types love Roman Polanski.  Some don't.

What does it matter if some people are happy with their dealings with Weinstein, others clearly aren't.  Every complete shit in the World will have been nice to somebody at least once. 

Some women are attracted to wealthy men, most women would be pretty appalled if an ageing fat male boss made sexual advances towards them in his hotel room. 

And despite what it is said by people here, every single man in this thread would be pretty traumatised if a fat swetty old male boss made advances to them when they had just started a new job.  This wasn't something that you would watch on youporn, and the person making advances isn't somebody who you would like to make sexytime with. 

I get that the children of Raqqa would see it as not as traumatic as some of their experiences, but if it happened to me, I would be right up there in my worst experiences.

Reckon I’d open my arse cheeks if it was going to lead to me getting a huge film role that might set my career on fire  ;yippee;


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: SuuPRlim on October 13, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
I'm sure it was part of the Hollywood culture, big movie producer surrounded by young actresses desperate to get roles in his films, stroke this, suck that, let me touch you here etc and obviously 99% of them feel like punching a big time producer in the face, ripping his nuts off and calling him a pervert might be akin to career suicide.... I'm sure plenty of actresses have gone on to benefit enormously from roles they got (at least partly) as a result of letting Harvey W touch them up (or worse) probably looking back a couple of them might might think...it was fucking horrible but I guess the ends justified the means in the end.

As true as all that might be, it really SHOULDN'T be like this, and I'm sure some people think it naive but the end goal is to have society where people advance on their merits, talent, work ethic and not how relaxed they are about bending over for some creepy old man. Now Harvey W is going to get into trouble and be somewhat disgraced over it perhaps the next Harvey W that comes along acts better in the future - or maybe the next actress who gets assaulted by a grizzy old movie producer knows that it's ok to speak up, either way we're moving in the right direction.

Defo don't blame any of the people involved for not doing anything though, they don't owe anyone anything and all they are doing is making best moves forward in the situation they are in. They are not at fault, as much as you can question whether they did the right thing or not.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MintTrav on October 13, 2017, 04:56:38 PM
I too knew exactly who you were talking about, but the point is, its the Bandwagon Bill stuff I was on about at the start.

Times have changed, and it was considered acceptable to turn a blind eye, or even tolerate the the action. So I do get worked up about the holier than thou types that get on their high horse about moral issues, who could have done stuff, but didn't, but now want to tell the world how wrong it was, and how appalled they were. 

How many of these really bad people may have been stopped in their tracks if just one of these "blind eyers" had said something in the early days? Maybe some werent aware of the gravity of what they were doing, and as each case got worse, and they were continually allowed to do it, maybe they saw it as, almost, an encouragement from others. Who knows?

Doesn't make it right, but I also feel those acknowledging it and doing nothing makes them somewhat part of the problem, however minor.

Quite puzzled by this post. You criticise people who knew and could have done something about it, while also telling us that you knew about this mystery person and didn't do anything. I don't quite get where you are positioning yourself on all this.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MintTrav on October 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
You can become president bragging about being a sexual assaulter.


What's surely more important is how many people this 'should' come out about not just this one twat i've never heard of.

Thought I was the only one who hadn't heard of him before this blew up.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 13, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
I too knew exactly who you were talking about, but the point is, its the Bandwagon Bill stuff I was on about at the start.

Times have changed, and it was considered acceptable to turn a blind eye, or even tolerate the the action. So I do get worked up about the holier than thou types that get on their high horse about moral issues, who could have done stuff, but didn't, but now want to tell the world how wrong it was, and how appalled they were.  

How many of these really bad people may have been stopped in their tracks if just one of these "blind eyers" had said something in the early days? Maybe some werent aware of the gravity of what they were doing, and as each case got worse, and they were continually allowed to do it, maybe they saw it as, almost, an encouragement from others. Who knows?

Doesn't make it right, but I also feel those acknowledging it and doing nothing makes them somewhat part of the problem, however minor.

Quite puzzled by this post. You criticise people who knew and could have done something about it, while also telling us that you knew about this mystery person and didn't do anything. I don't quite get where you are positioning yourself on all this.

When Camel posted he witnessed stuff, I made a fairly good guess from my time spent playing poker and the rep of certain people as to who he was talking of.

Not sure how I can report someone on the back of some poker gossip, that I never witnessed, but from the talk on this thread, I would be happy with my guess. I could, of course, be way off the mark, so again, can't really go to the authorities with that.

So not positioning myself at all. Sorry to disappoint.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 13, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
I'm sure it was part of the Hollywood culture, big movie producer surrounded by young actresses desperate to get roles in his films, stroke this, suck that, let me touch you here etc and obviously 99% of them feel like punching a big time producer in the face, ripping his nuts off and calling him a pervert might be akin to career suicide.... I'm sure plenty of actresses have gone on to benefit enormously from roles they got (at least partly) as a result of letting Harvey W touch them up (or worse) probably looking back a couple of them might might think...it was fucking horrible but I guess the ends justified the means in the end.

As true as all that might be, it really SHOULDN'T be like this, and I'm sure some people think it naive but the end goal is to have society where people advance on their merits, talent, work ethic and not how relaxed they are about bending over for some creepy old man. Now Harvey W is going to get into trouble and be somewhat disgraced over it perhaps the next Harvey W that comes along acts better in the future - or maybe the next actress who gets assaulted by a grizzy old movie producer knows that it's ok to speak up, either way we're moving in the right direction.

Defo don't blame any of the people involved for not doing anything though, they don't owe anyone anything and all they are doing is making best moves forward in the situation they are in. They are not at fault, as much as you can question whether they did the right thing or not.

This is perfect imo. Best post for a long time.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: BigAdz on October 14, 2017, 08:47:28 AM
I'm sure it was part of the Hollywood culture, big movie producer surrounded by young actresses desperate to get roles in his films, stroke this, suck that, let me touch you here etc and obviously 99% of them feel like punching a big time producer in the face, ripping his nuts off and calling him a pervert might be akin to career suicide.... I'm sure plenty of actresses have gone on to benefit enormously from roles they got (at least partly) as a result of letting Harvey W touch them up (or worse) probably looking back a couple of them might might think...it was fucking horrible but I guess the ends justified the means in the end.

As true as all that might be, it really SHOULDN'T be like this, and I'm sure some people think it naive but the end goal is to have society where people advance on their merits, talent, work ethic and not how relaxed they are about bending over for some creepy old man. Now Harvey W is going to get into trouble and be somewhat disgraced over it perhaps the next Harvey W that comes along acts better in the future - or maybe the next actress who gets assaulted by a grizzy old movie producer knows that it's ok to speak up, either way we're moving in the right direction.

Defo don't blame any of the people involved for not doing anything though, they don't owe anyone anything and all they are doing is making best moves forward in the situation they are in. They are not at fault, as much as you can question whether they did the right thing or not.


I agree. My point is that if you dont have the gumption to get involved then, why should you do it now.

One of the headline photos yesterday was of Gwyneth smiling like a cheshire cat with HW. She has clearly got what she wants and doesn't appear at all remorseful to be in his company at that point!!

The hypocrisy is amazing.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: TightEnd on October 14, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
Kate Beckinsale has posted this statement detailing her experience with Harvey Weinstein. He offered her alcohol at 17; called her a "c###"


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 19, 2017, 08:18:53 AM
Just how much weight can a bandwagon take?




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41672902


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on October 30, 2017, 09:49:07 AM
Kevin Spacey.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41799026


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 31, 2017, 10:39:58 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: EvilPie on October 31, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?

Because he didn't grab any pussies that now belong to famous starlets perhaps?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 31, 2017, 10:58:24 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?

You know the difference between a vulgar comment to another man, and what appears to be 20 odd years of sexual harassment and rape to a multitude of women?

I'm no fan of Trump either but all these false equivalencies made whenever somebody unrelated does something bad just takes attention away from the plethora of strong arguments against him.

(All said in a polite tone as I love me some Red Dog)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 31, 2017, 11:05:48 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?

You know the difference between a vulgar comment to another man, and what appears to be 20 odd years of sexual harassment and rape to a multitude of women?

I'm no fan of Trump either but all these false equivalencies made whenever somebody unrelated does something bad just takes attention away from the plethora of strong arguments against him.

(All said in a polite tone as I love me some Red Dog)


Help, Barry is sexually harassing me.

You do make a good point though Baz. Witness this 'story'.




Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 31, 2017, 11:08:09 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?

You know the difference between a vulgar comment to another man, and what appears to be 20 odd years of sexual harassment and rape to a multitude of women?

I'm no fan of Trump either but all these false equivalencies made whenever somebody unrelated does something bad just takes attention away from the plethora of strong arguments against him.

(All said in a polite tone as I love me some Red Dog)


Help, Barry is sexually harassing me.

You do make a good point though Baz. Witness this 'story'.







http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41812281


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 31, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?

You know the difference between a vulgar comment to another man, and what appears to be 20 odd years of sexual harassment and rape to a multitude of women?

I'm no fan of Trump either but all these false equivalencies made whenever somebody unrelated does something bad just takes attention away from the plethora of strong arguments against him.

(All said in a polite tone as I love me some Red Dog)


Help, Barry is sexually harassing me.

You do make a good point though Baz. Witness this 'story'.







http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41812281

That's the most British version of the Weinstein thing ever.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Doobs on October 31, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?

You know the difference between a vulgar comment to another man, and what appears to be 20 odd years of sexual harassment and rape to a multitude of women?

I'm no fan of Trump either but all these false equivalencies made whenever somebody unrelated does something bad just takes attention away from the plethora of strong arguments against him.

(All said in a polite tone as I love me some Red Dog)

Trump has way more history than a vulgar comment, including multiple accusations of rape.  He has been well and truly vilified for his history, but was still elected.  Guess there is so much shit around about him, and he is an expert in deflecting, so it is hard to keep up.  



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Doobs on October 31, 2017, 11:20:31 AM
So how come Harvey Weinstein is vilified, disgraced and ruined while Donald 'grab em by the pussy' Trump is still POTUS?

You know the difference between a vulgar comment to another man, and what appears to be 20 odd years of sexual harassment and rape to a multitude of women?

I'm no fan of Trump either but all these false equivalencies made whenever somebody unrelated does something bad just takes attention away from the plethora of strong arguments against him.

(All said in a polite tone as I love me some Red Dog)


Help, Barry is sexually harassing me.

You do make a good point though Baz. Witness this 'story'.







http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41812281

By focusing on these more minor news stories and calling this a bandwagon, aren't you diminishing all the serious accusations that have come to light? 



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: 4KSuited on October 31, 2017, 01:30:20 PM
This non-story from the BBC re-ignites my discomfort with the power of the fourth estate. I do not question the absolute need for a free press, but so often they dictate the agenda, steering public attention away from the issues that really do matter (gender discrimination, sexual assault/rape and abuse of power) to the political point-scoring, outer reaches/boundaries of these matters. This simply serves to dilute the key message, which is a great shame.

Yes, let’s make sure that Weinstein gets what he deserves for his behaviour, but let the courts decide. And yes, if there’s more serious offenders like him out there, let them be exposed too. But please, don’t distract from these serious crimes by publishing claims of every bit of lewd or schoolboy behaviour from every living (or deceased) public figure - particularly when the “victim” insists that she’s no victim!


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on October 31, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
This non-story from the BBC re-ignites my discomfort with the power of the fourth estate. I do not question the absolute need for a free press, but so often they dictate the agenda, steering public attention away from the issues that really do matter (gender discrimination, sexual assault/rape and abuse of power) to the political point-scoring, outer reaches/boundaries of these matters. This simply serves to dilute the key message, which is a great shame.

Yes, let’s make sure that Weinstein gets what he deserves for his behaviour, but let the courts decide. And yes, if there’s more serious offenders like him out there, let them be exposed too. But please, don’t distract from these serious crimes by publishing claims of every bit of lewd or schoolboy behaviour from every living (or deceased) public figure - particularly when the “victim” insists that she’s no victim!


This.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 01, 2017, 11:33:46 AM
I see Kevin spacey is next in the firing line. A barman accuses him of inappropriate behaviour after watching him drink a bottle of jack before taking out his johnson.

However the same guy thinks swapping his £20 Casio for an inebriated customer's £5k timepiece is appropriate behaviour.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 01, 2017, 11:50:53 AM
I see Kevin spacey is next in the firing line. A barman accuses him of inappropriate behaviour after watching him drink a bottle of jack before taking out his johnson.

However the same guy thinks swapping his £20 Casio for an inebriated customer's £5k timepiece is appropriate behaviour.

I bet he woke up in the morning feeling P Diddy.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 01, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
How long before a woman is investigated for touching a bloke's knee or making a lewd remark?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on November 01, 2017, 12:11:58 PM


It's getting silly now. Soon it will be "he looked at me in that way men do".


Prime Minister Theresa May's deputy, Damian Green, has said allegations of inappropriate behaviour towards a female activist are "completely false".

Mr Green has instructed libel lawyers over the claims, the BBC understands.

Tory activist Kate Maltby wrote in the Times that he "fleetingly" touched her knee in a pub in 2015, and in 2016 sent her a "suggestive" text message.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 01, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
New allegations have emerged from a number of men accusing Kevin Spacey of sexual misconduct.

US filmmaker Tony Montana claims he was groped by the actor in a Los Angeles bar in 2003.


Montana says he was left with PTSD for six months after he claims Spacey "forcefully" grabbed his crotch
.



Just lol.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 01, 2017, 02:04:17 PM
A sheep kicked me in the bollocks once and I didn't Have PTSD for six months.

(I did walk funny for a fortnight though)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on November 01, 2017, 03:14:06 PM
The trivialisation of sexual assault and harrassment is one of the reasons people don't report it.

People shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable or threatened by people who have power over them.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 01, 2017, 03:33:45 PM
The trivialisation of sexual assault and harrassment is one of the reasons people don't report it.

People whouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable or threatened by people who have power over them.

Quite, but publicity and the lure of financial gain is one of the reasons why people falsify or exaggerate it.

There has to be a line, and "touched my knee briefly last year" isn't it.

IMHO of course.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on November 01, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
The trivialisation of sexual assault and harrassment is one of the reasons people don't report it.

People whouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable or threatened by people who have power over them.

Quite, but publicity and the lure of financial gain is one of the reasons why people falsify or exaggerate it.

There has to be a line, and "touched my knee briefly last year" isn't it.

IMHO of course.


When a woman is scared to come to work because of the unwanted attention of a man in a position of power.

If the cause of her anxiety is her boss is touching her knee, then absolutely it is sexual harrassment.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 01, 2017, 03:42:32 PM
The trivialisation of sexual assault and harrassment is one of the reasons people don't report it.

People whouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable or threatened by people who have power over them.

Quite, but publicity and the lure of financial gain is one of the reasons why people falsify or exaggerate it.

There has to be a line, and "touched my knee briefly last year" isn't it.

IMHO of course.


When a woman is scared to come to work because of the unwanted attention of a man in a position of power.

If the cause of her anxiety is her boss is touching her knee, then absolutely it is sexual harrassment.

I agree.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: AndrewT on November 01, 2017, 03:53:19 PM
Five pages of men discussing what constitutes sexual harassment of women.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on November 01, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
Five pages of men discussing what constitutes sexual harassment of women.

Are there any women left on Blondepoker?


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 01, 2017, 04:33:50 PM
If a woman gets all anxious and distressed about being touched on the knee perhaps she should stay at home and cook the dinner. These women are so regressive for the fortunes of their sex in the workplace. Who wants to employ somebody who has a nervous breakdown when they hear the words 'sugar tits'.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on November 02, 2017, 08:41:51 AM
Five pages of men discussing what constitutes sexual harassment of women.

Are there any women left on Blondepoker?

As far as I can tell, we only have 1 "active" female blonde at present.

No surprise, really - blonde has been, like most poker forums, quite sexist down the years.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on November 02, 2017, 08:43:11 AM
The trivialisation of sexual assault and harrassment is one of the reasons people don't report it.

People whouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable or threatened by people who have power over them.

Quite, but publicity and the lure of financial gain is one of the reasons why people falsify or exaggerate it.

There has to be a line, and "touched my knee briefly last year" isn't it.

IMHO of course.


Micky Wernick - who I must say, I have a lot of time for - has a lot to answer for.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 02, 2017, 09:02:03 AM
The trivialisation of sexual assault and harrassment is one of the reasons people don't report it.

People whouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable or threatened by people who have power over them.

Quite, but publicity and the lure of financial gain is one of the reasons why people falsify or exaggerate it.

There has to be a line, and "touched my knee briefly last year" isn't it.

IMHO of course.


Micky Wernick - who I must say, I have a lot of time for - has a lot to answer for.


Yep. He's had the odd touch from me and I must say I felt violated.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on November 02, 2017, 11:24:05 AM

Dustin Hoffman is in the frame now, too, for actions & comments he made 32 years ago.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: booder on November 02, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
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Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 02, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
Yep Tootsie is next in line. His accuser states that he said some things and asked for a foot massage (which she freely gave) when she was 17 and "just a child". Shame on us that as a society we allow children to have sex, drive on the roads and fight in wars.

But meh, what actually happens here is that young actors with stars in their eyes are happy to comply because they want to climb the greasy pole. Once there and with a career behind them they look back, perhaps with some regret at those actions and try to extract themselves from responsibility. Thing is their actions are purely selfish from start to finish.

I read another one today about a playboy bunny who is accusing some actor from Entourage of "touching" her at a Playboy Mansion party, nh.

We have now lost our defense secretary for touching a knee at a time when national security couldn't be more vital, vnh.

Also amazed that women continue to flaunt themselves in lingerie in the daily papers. Even that feminist journalist was in bra and knickers in the paper but when the mp emails asking for a date she makes a formal complaint, gg.

One thing is for sure and that's we are heading for a very sterile society where people will be afraid to speak to the opposite sex. In my experience with women, when the attention stops it is then they will truly be outraged.



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 02, 2017, 02:23:35 PM
I got some pals from back home and when i go out with them it is BRUTAL, you're absolutely forced into heavy drinking, anything you've ever done that is remotely iffy can and will be used to ridicule you at some point, homophobic, racist, sexist jokes nothing is past the line.

I dont go out with them often because frankly i need to mentally prepare myself!!!

all this being said, if I ever meet them with someone they dont know then they are totally different, all the really non PC jokes and personal attacks are shelved and they are much more in line.

Point is, the kind of "banter" I get just with them would be massively out of line in most instances but it's good humoured and 100% in good spirit. I'm sure there are plenty of situations you can rub a female friend or colleagues knee, slab bum etc and it would be absolutely fine. You have to understand context and be comfortable in it. Just like there are times when touching a female associates knee is totally out of line.

People who think they don't have to consider this stuff because they are all big and powerful need to be brought down a peg or two.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: atdc21 on November 02, 2017, 02:43:54 PM
I got some pals from back home and when i go out with them it is BRUTAL, you're absolutely forced into heavy drinking, anything you've ever done that is remotely iffy can and will be used to ridicule you at some point, homophobic, racist, sexist jokes nothing is past the line.

I dont go out with them often because frankly i need to mentally prepare myself!!!

all this being said, if I ever meet them with someone they dont know then they are totally different, all the really non PC jokes and personal attacks are shelved and they are much more in line.

Point is, the kind of "banter" I get just with them would be massively out of line in most instances but it's good humoured and 100% in good spirit. I'm sure there are plenty of situations you can rub a female friend or colleagues knee, slab bum etc and it would be absolutely fine. You have to understand context and be comfortable in it. Just like there are times when touching a female associates knee is totally out of line.



People who think they don't have to consider this stuff because they are all big and powerful need to be brought down a peg or two.

So basically you are saying you gotta be careful who you sing a rendition of ' get yer tits out for the lads ' to? :)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 02, 2017, 02:54:59 PM
When a hot young female journalist is having dinner\drinks with an old balding dinosaur of an MP I know full well who has the "power" in that scenario. And it isn't the relic of a man let me tell you.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 02, 2017, 02:59:46 PM
I got some pals from back home and when i go out with them it is BRUTAL, you're absolutely forced into heavy drinking, anything you've ever done that is remotely iffy can and will be used to ridicule you at some point, homophobic, racist, sexist jokes nothing is past the line.

I dont go out with them often because frankly i need to mentally prepare myself!!!

all this being said, if I ever meet them with someone they dont know then they are totally different, all the really non PC jokes and personal attacks are shelved and they are much more in line.

Point is, the kind of "banter" I get just with them would be massively out of line in most instances but it's good humoured and 100% in good spirit. I'm sure there are plenty of situations you can rub a female friend or colleagues knee, slab bum etc and it would be absolutely fine. You have to understand context and be comfortable in it. Just like there are times when touching a female associates knee is totally out of line.



People who think they don't have to consider this stuff because they are all big and powerful need to be brought down a peg or two.

So basically you are saying you gotta be careful who you sing a rendition of ' get yer tits out for the lads ' to? :)

Pretty much yeah :D

Singing the song is not a problem, imo, singing it to girls you don't know who might be offended is massively out of line.

I think that social intelligence on both sides is what is needed to create the perfect balance, but the responsibility lies with the males in the instances that have been suggested in this thread.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 02, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
basically i think there is (and has been) a lot of instances of women being made to feel venerable as a result of men abusing their power, and I think that's go.

 There is also a lot of instances of the most important point (the one above) being lost in a bundle of nonsense.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: tikay on November 04, 2017, 10:46:24 AM

And so it continues......


http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/04/bbc-under-fire-after-refusing-to-investigate-sexual-harassment-claims-against-chris-evans-7052938/


(http://i.imgur.com/arfhEOE.jpg) (https://imgur.com/arfhEOE)


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 04, 2017, 12:01:40 PM

And so it continues......


http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/04/bbc-under-fire-after-refusing-to-investigate-sexual-harassment-claims-against-chris-evans-7052938/


(http://i.imgur.com/arfhEOE.jpg) (https://imgur.com/arfhEOE)

It is alleged that Evans exposed himself to his victim on a daily basis for two years. Frigging daily basis for two years! The hapless employee said "I went from loving my job to feeling dread every morning I went to work". Not sure what to say really. If a new boss landed at my work place and started to expose himself on a daily basis alarm bells would ring straight away. One minute I was loving my job and the next I'm feeling dread because my new boss is exposing his penis to me on a daily basis.

I'm probably going to do something about that rather than leave it. I would feel a sense of hatred for this new boss. With plenty of time to plot I would set up a camera and take daily shots. Then either take a cast iron case to the BBC or blackmail the ginger phantom flasher for significant funds. What I'm not going to do is just carry on typing or whatever, while the penis is there, on a frigging daily basis. Just carry on typing, seeing the penis and crying for two years. But then 20yrs later speak up, no proof except 'I promise I saw the penis every day'. Ffs.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 04, 2017, 12:48:20 PM
...and could you pick the the aforementioned penis out of a lineup?



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on November 09, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
Louis C.K.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: RED-DOG on November 09, 2017, 11:36:00 PM


Portia de Rossi accuses Steven Seagal of sexual harassment - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41936741


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: POWWWWWWWW on November 10, 2017, 12:10:35 AM
Louis C.K.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

You'd have thought he'd learned from this haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpFtwYIKew


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on November 10, 2017, 12:21:16 AM
Louis C.K.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

You'd have thought he'd learned from this haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpFtwYIKew

JFC.

That just appears creepy now.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on November 10, 2017, 12:25:22 AM
Louis C.K.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

You'd have thought he'd learned from this haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpFtwYIKew

JFC.

That just appears creepy now.

Christ, the comments are absolutely horrific.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: The Camel on November 16, 2017, 03:05:31 PM
Why haven't these guys been arrested already?

Weinstein and Spacey in particular.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 16, 2017, 04:41:18 PM
Why haven't these guys been arrested already?

Weinstein and Spacey in particular.

I think the statute of limitations applies in most of the cases I've heard about.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 16, 2017, 07:52:04 PM
I find it strange that piers morgan hasn't been accused yet


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 16, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
I am quite surprised I researched what specific Statute of Limitations there are.... some ridiculous ones

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/time-limits-for-charges-state-criminal-statutes-of-limitations.html

Colorado:

sexual assault, aggravated incest, trafficking in or sexual exploitation of children, soliciting for child prostitution, pandering or procurement of a child: 10 yrs.


Idaho:

sexual abuse of or lewd conduct with a child under 16 yrs. of age: 5 yrs. after the child reaches the age of 18; ritualized abuse of child: 3 yrs. after initial disclosure by victim

How can you put a statute on that? the statute doesn't start until they are 18, but basically if you can get away with any of these despicable crimes for 10 yrs you're off the hook, shameful. What is the point of a statute of limitation? Protects who, the rights of rapists and paedophiles? Why the hell do we give a fuck about their rights. What a dreadful country, least its easy to buy a gun.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 25, 2017, 06:58:00 PM
Weekly Update - This time we have seen former choirboy Aled Jones and Virgin supremo Sir Richard Branson accused. A backing singer who attended a party on Nectar Island said Branson put his head into her cleavage and made the noise of a boat. The victim was in the paper today looking very sad and said that about a decade ago Branson made the sound Brrrrrrr into her cleavage. She said "his behaviour was disgusting and it was sexual assault". We also had Instagram model Demi Rose who was disgusted when an Argos delivery driver asked her on a date when he delivered some household goods. She complained to his employer about the sexual harassment she had suffered. We also had former Blue Peter presenter John Leslie accused but meh.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Karabiner on November 25, 2017, 07:52:47 PM
I am quite surprised I researched what specific Statute of Limitations there are.... some ridiculous ones

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/time-limits-for-charges-state-criminal-statutes-of-limitations.html

Colorado:

sexual assault, aggravated incest, trafficking in or sexual exploitation of children, soliciting for child prostitution, pandering or procurement of a child: 10 yrs.


Idaho:

sexual abuse of or lewd conduct with a child under 16 yrs. of age: 5 yrs. after the child reaches the age of 18; ritualized abuse of child: 3 yrs. after initial disclosure by victim

How can you put a statute on that? the statute doesn't start until they are 18, but basically if you can get away with any of these despicable crimes for 10 yrs you're off the hook, shameful. What is the point of a statute of limitation? Protects who, the rights of rapists and paedophiles? Why the hell do we give a fuck about their rights. What a dreadful country, least its easy to buy a gun.

Funnily enough the last time I visited Las Vegas in 2009 I got flagged up in immigration on arrival with the new fingerprint thingy and had to go into that green shed on the left-hand-side where all the badasses with dodgy records go for some interrogation - just what you need after 16+ hours of travelling!

I had been stopped because I would have been deported in 1967 had i not paid my own fare and done a "voluntary departure" which I thought would keep me a clean slate; I did also get stopped for *ahem* erratic driving in 1973 and received a six-month ban and that did happen while I was using someone else's Canadian ID but still no biggy and it's a very long story.

When I asked the immigration man if there was no statute of limitations for old hippies who had since matured and mended their wild ways he said "There is no statute of limitations". Fortunately he was a nice man and allowed me to enter the USA as he didn't think I had actually broken any conditions on the visa waver - being deported was one - but said I should sort things out at the US embassy in London before visiting again. If he had had a mind to he could have refused me entry a sent me back on the next plane, I was mighty relieved boy when I stepped out of that airport.

Apparently the statute of limitations varies from state to state.


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Marky147 on November 25, 2017, 08:04:30 PM
I am quite surprised I researched what specific Statute of Limitations there are.... some ridiculous ones

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/time-limits-for-charges-state-criminal-statutes-of-limitations.html

Colorado:

sexual assault, aggravated incest, trafficking in or sexual exploitation of children, soliciting for child prostitution, pandering or procurement of a child: 10 yrs.


Idaho:

sexual abuse of or lewd conduct with a child under 16 yrs. of age: 5 yrs. after the child reaches the age of 18; ritualized abuse of child: 3 yrs. after initial disclosure by victim

How can you put a statute on that? the statute doesn't start until they are 18, but basically if you can get away with any of these despicable crimes for 10 yrs you're off the hook, shameful. What is the point of a statute of limitation? Protects who, the rights of rapists and paedophiles? Why the hell do we give a fuck about their rights. What a dreadful country, least its easy to buy a gun.

Funnily enough the last time I visited Las Vegas in 2009 I got flagged up in immigration on arrival with the new fingerprint thingy and had to go into that green shed on the left-hand-side where all the badasses with dodgy records go for some interrogation - just what you need after 16+ hours of travelling!

I had been stopped because I would have been deported in 1967 had i not paid my own fare and done a "voluntary departure" which I thought would keep me a clean slate; I did also get stopped for *ahem* erratic driving in 1973 and received a six-month ban and that did happen while I was using someone else's Canadian ID but still no biggy and it's a very long story.

When I asked the immigration man if there was no statute of limitations for old hippies who had since matured and mended their wild ways he said "There is no statute of limitations". Fortunately he was a nice man and allowed me to enter the USA as he didn't think I had actually broken any conditions on the visa waver - being deported was one - but said I should sort things out at the US embassy in London before visiting again. If he had had a mind to he could have refused me entry a sent me back on the next plane, I was mighty relieved boy when I stepped out of that airport.

Apparently the statute of limitations varies from state to state.

The sooner you start your diary, the better!


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: doubleup on December 16, 2017, 10:39:33 AM

Weinstein and people associated with him should be going to jail imo.  Their conduct is utterly disgraceful.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/15/peter-jackson-harvey-weinstein-ashley-judd-mira-sorvino



Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: MintTrav on December 30, 2017, 06:33:44 PM
Here's something we haven't seen - someone putting the allegations direct to one of the accused.
There is some overlap as both these recorded part of it, the first one stopping partway through and the second one missing the first part.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZNuh0xxKis

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHKTcWnnqo


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Supernova on December 31, 2017, 04:31:19 PM
Five pages of men discussing what constitutes sexual harassment of women.

Are there any women left on Blondepoker?

As far as I can tell, we only have 1 "active" female blonde at present.

No surprise, really - blonde has been, like most poker forums, quite sexist down the years.

 :hello:

I still lurk but I haven't contributed much ever. I can never keep up on Blonde which is a compliment and I have only been next door perhaps twice in a year as there are too many tossers there for my liking. But posting here hasn't anything to do with the sexist thing as I've worked in male majority environments so can deal with it, but it's more to do with a little of the cliquishness and the fear of being embarrassed and shot down in flames with me because I'm crap with words and explanations and so I read and keep my thoughts to myself. Hope everyone has a goon 2018 by the way xXx

This whole thing alarms me as a female, sorting out the genuine from the plain stupid is beyond me. There are lots of things that annoy me about the behavior of women, always has, always will..  


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: TightEnd on December 31, 2017, 04:58:20 PM
Our household has still not forgiven you for a 17 minute long Marillion song!


Title: Re: Harvey Weinstein
Post by: Supernova on December 31, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
:-) Sorry! I ummed and arrred about it tbf. Sure you could have gotten better but you could have got worse too! Darren and I had a discussion about it and we both said that a different song for any day any hour and the answer would have been different. Wished I'd been in a tipsy 80's D J mood and posted well lots lol.

Happy New Year to you and the family hope I get  forgiveness next year <3