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Title: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 09, 2017, 10:06:10 AM
Hello my names Maria Ho and I wonder what you think of this hand from wsope described below

Just watched this on tv link with 30 left

8/16 blinds plus antes

Chipleader min raises c/o to 34k with 99 (9 hearts)

Button flats AJ Spades

Firaldo (great player imo) 3 bets to 152k with AK (A hearts)

Maria Ho flats the BB with 10 10 (no heart) - bad call???

Chippy then calls and so does bird on button (“it’s an ace and it’s soooooted dear”)

Flop J108 hearts.

Firaldo (just short of Ho in chips) moves all in.

Ho folds as do others - my question is wtf are you flatting with 10 10 with that action and players behind only to fold?

We wouldn’t have done that in 2008!


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 09, 2017, 10:08:25 AM
I  thought it was chip dumping

All this BS. About pre flop ranges she played like a fish the others still to act and she flats ?.. terrible amateurish play ,
Find a 5 bet to 425 k he may pass ak ?
Flop a set n still fold ? Terrible play
Watch fiarall play 77 v Jack 8 on a 7-9-10 board ?2 spade board , Does he pass bottom set ? Does he fk river pairs the 9 for a good double up

Disgraceful almost cheating play .on line if seen that would be reported as soft play / collusion !
Why the fk is Maria Ho made up to the 9 s ,is it because of her surname ? Ho she looks like a hooker


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: bergeroo on November 09, 2017, 10:15:22 AM
I would love to give feedback on the hand but I can't get over how incredibly misogynistic your posts are here. You even manage a sly dig at the other lady in the hand.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: atdc21 on November 09, 2017, 10:33:43 AM
Yeah but what you really think of her? :)
She seems very nice in most programs, plays very tight mostly even in cash nights in america prog .


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 09, 2017, 10:46:13 AM
Yeah this post is too much! We need our own Westminster style Blonde Code of Conduct, Tony your off for a disciplinary!

Cant judge preflop as you haven't stated stack sizes.

Gonna take a punt and guess that she is playing at a level above your top thinking capability based on these posts.

Whatever you think she looks like the look seems to work for her? www.mariaho.com (http://www.mariaho.com)

I searched for Tv Presenter and Poker Pro on www.tonytats.com  (http://www.tonytats.com) but all I found was

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e1/de/02/e1de0283f5b3f7ef12b6edd154b95859--potato-funny-baked-potatoes.jpg)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 09, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
My god some of this are amazing

What a tatty ho!

(https://www.tattoodo.com/images/0/102109.jpg)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tikay on November 09, 2017, 11:00:59 AM

^^^^

I dread to think what that image is.

I get this message when I try to view it on my Company lappie.....

Sorry, you don't have permission to visit this site. 
 

Website blocked 
Not allowed to browse Sexuality category during this time of the day 



Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: superwomble on November 09, 2017, 11:03:40 AM
There are times of the day that you are allowed to browse 'Sexuality category' though?!


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tikay on November 09, 2017, 11:05:16 AM
There are times of the day that you are allowed to browse 'Sexuality category' though?!

That would appear to be the inference.

We need Evil Pie itt to tell me the best times. He is our resident porn expert.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: RED-DOG on November 09, 2017, 11:38:39 AM
There are times of the day that you are allowed to browse 'Sexuality category' though?!

That would appear to be the inference.

We need Evil Pie itt to tell me the best times. He is our resident porn expert.


I thought they imply and you infer but I'm not sure.

Where's Ralph when you need him?


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Doobs on November 09, 2017, 11:45:15 AM
I would love to give feedback on the hand but I can't get over how incredibly misogynistic your posts are here. You even manage a sly dig at the other lady in the hand.

least sly, sly dig ever.

I saw a round up video from the WSOPE on youtube and the most prominent comments there were pretty much unpleasant digs at Maria Ho's appearence too.  I don't know her, but can't recall any bad things said by those that know her.  She seems to have a pretty solid game from what I have seen.  

The fold seems nitty, but it is an open shove into 3 others.  Even here, when he hasn't got the flush, he has 12 outs twice.  

The abuse is all pretty sad really.  Hope she wins.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Doobs on November 09, 2017, 11:53:38 AM
Just realised the other lady in the pot was Kristen Bicknell. 

She was one of the best mid stakes cash players on Stars for a long time, and now crushes tournaments too.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 09, 2017, 12:19:21 PM

^^^^

I dread to think what that image is.

I get this message when I try to view it on my Company lappie.....

Sorry, you don't have permission to visit this site. 
 

Website blocked 
Not allowed to browse Sexuality category during this time of the day 



It is pretty sexual, so cannot fault the filtering, but think you will be impressed when you see the image!


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 09, 2017, 12:24:21 PM
Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline ?
Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Does she think it affects other players decisions ?
I have nothing against her at all
WHat kind of flop did she want to see ?
I just thought it was wrong
Fiarall didn’t fold 77 v Jack 8 on a 10-9-7 connected 2 spade flop in  went the chips
Oh but then he’s got bollocks n not breasts  


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: TightEnd on November 09, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline ?
Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Does she think it affects other players decisions ?


what on earth are those three questions Tony?

no relevance whatsover, sexist and frankly a bit odd (sorry)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: bergeroo on November 09, 2017, 12:42:04 PM
It was interesting that Tikay observed on another thread that blonde only has one currently active female poster.

At the hand, it is pretty tough to comment without stacksizes. Ho raising pre seems possibly bad because she will likely be priced on vs someone. Likewise folding seems incredibly nitty as Firaldo surely has a reasonably wide squeezing range. So we are left with calling which makes our hand somewhat face up. Oh and btw closing the betting on the button with AJ suited by Bicknell seems almost certainly totally ok?

On the flop I don't know what to do really. It is perhaps a mistake to fold. Not sure. But I don't think it has anything to do with the way she was dressed. How was Firaldo dressed by the way?

And I don't really think you can compare a four way monotone flop in a three bet pot with the other Firaldo hand. Totally different situation.

I also think you don't understand what collusion means.

Maria seems to be really good at navigating these big WSOP fields. She has cashed in the WSOP main 4 or 5 times with two top 100 finishes. Obviously she plays different from Firaldo, I don't believe she plays online and seems to play quite snug, but I'm not sure that's grounds to insult her (although of course you haven't got anything against her personally!)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 09, 2017, 12:44:18 PM
Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline ?
Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Does she think it affects other players decisions ?


what on earth are those three questions Tony?

no relevance whatsover, sexist and frankly a bit odd (sorry)

Lets have a go at answering them though, it could be somewhat enlightening for Tony.

Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline?
I am guessing that she decided to wear said shirt because she liked it, liked how it made her look, was comfortable and confident in it.
She realises that being both comfortable and confident is an excellent combination at the poker table.
Further to that she realises she needs to look good as she has her own brand to promote that doesn't involve wearing a Herbie Hoodie.

Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Nope, in her suitcase she had 6 crew neck shirts, a cardigan her grandma knitted with a golliwog on and a clown suit.
She really wanted to wear the lucky cardigan her grandma knitted, but luckily she realised that somethings just are not appropriate in this day and age.

Does she think it affects other players decisions ?
She knows that it will but that isn't why she does it.
Some old men probably look down on her and judge the way she looks but that is their problem not her's.




Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: RED-DOG on November 09, 2017, 12:49:25 PM
Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline ?
Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Does she think it affects other players decisions ?


what on earth are those three questions Tony?

no relevance whatsover, sexist and frankly a bit odd (sorry)

Lets have a go at answering them though, it could be somewhat enlightening for Tony.

Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline?
I am guessing that she decided to wear said shirt because she liked it, liked how it made her look, was comfortable and confident in it.
She realises that being both comfortable and confident is an excellent combination at the poker table.
Further to that she realises she needs to look good as she has her own brand to promote that doesn't involve wearing a Herbie Hoodie.

Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Nope, in her suitcase she had 6 crew neck shirts, a cardigan her grandma knitted with a golliwog on and a clown suit.
She really wanted to wear the lucky cardigan her grandma knitted, but luckily she realised that somethings just are not appropriate in this day and age.

Does she think it affects other players decisions ?
She knows that it will but that isn't why she does it.
Some old men probably look down on her and judge the way she looks but that is their problem not her's.





Stuart said golliwog.   ;gobsmacked;


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: rfgqqabc on November 09, 2017, 01:21:03 PM
Your right though tony, pretty terrible hand. Not sure wtf you think is going on with her outfit? I was expecting a Tilly-esque ensemble with breast everywhere but its nothing like that. Nothing even slightly scandalous about it. Hand linked below,
https://youtu.be/xINr4jA27WI?t=1h13m55s


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 09, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline ?
Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Does she think it affects other players decisions ?


what on earth are those three questions Tony?

no relevance whatsover, sexist and frankly a bit odd (sorry)

Lets have a go at answering them though, it could be somewhat enlightening for Tony.

Why did she wear a shirt with a plunging neckline?
I am guessing that she decided to wear said shirt because she liked it, liked how it made her look, was comfortable and confident in it.
She realises that being both comfortable and confident is an excellent combination at the poker table.
Further to that she realises she needs to look good as she has her own brand to promote that doesn't involve wearing a Herbie Hoodie.

Did she forget her crew neck shirts ?
Nope, in her suitcase she had 6 crew neck shirts, a cardigan her grandma knitted with a golliwog on and a clown suit.
She really wanted to wear the lucky cardigan her grandma knitted, but luckily she realised that somethings just are not appropriate in this day and age.

Does she think it affects other players decisions ?
She knows that it will but that isn't why she does it.
Some old men probably look down on her and judge the way she looks but that is their problem not her's.





Stuart said golliwog.   ;gobsmacked;

I thought i was allowed for context

Sorry

 ;marks;


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 09, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Yeh wtf, no breasts out?? HOW THE HELL WILL SHE BAMBOOZLE THE MEN WITHOUT THE TITTIES OUT!!

Seriously i met Maria a couple of times socially, seems to be like a thoroughly charming and very pleasant person. I also know Firaldo very well and can't think of anyone less likely to be in cahoots in some high level, high profile collusion than him! He just won his Triple Crown, and think he's reached the stage now where he either doesn't bust a tournament and makes some money, or does and gets himself to the bar and is completely at peach with either outcome!

You've lost your head with the clothes comments for sure Tony :D she knows she's gonna be on a live stream with a fair few people watching and wants to look nice, I don't think that's specific to women I think 90%+ of people who know they'll be on a live stream defo think "I'll wear some nice clothes" don't want the viewing public thinking I dress terribly - my Mum might be watching!!!


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: RED-DOG on November 09, 2017, 02:00:47 PM
This is where Tony should say "Yeah, you're right guys, my bad. let's move on".

That's what I will do if I'm ever wrong about anything.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: cambridgealex on November 09, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
Preflop isn't ideal, but with about 58bbs she can probably just jam TT here and show a profit. Calling kinda turns her range face up but is certainly preferable to folding/4bet folding with this stack sizes.

Postflop, he jams 1m, she has 800k, pot is 660k. It's is undoubtedly a call, but not as terrible as most people thinks. She said in an interview she picked up something on one of the players behind, that they were pretending to be disinterested - clearly wrong and she admits that but no need for all these ridiculous comments bashing her - she made a bad fold, get over it.

As for the comments about her outfit, just wow. Pinch me, it's 2017, right? Great reply Stuart.

And as Dave said, Firaldo and Maria colluding is a laughable idea.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: titaniumbean on November 09, 2017, 03:28:02 PM
I love me the Bopkin


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: OutKicked on November 09, 2017, 04:17:42 PM
For anyone that hasn't seen it.. 3mins in. I think given Maria is first to act in a 4way pot where Niall has just overbet jammed the flop it's not awful.
Considering she's now an overwhelming chip leader I'm pretty sure it might have been the best fold of the tournament for her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etH_kBhgK44


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 09, 2017, 04:28:48 PM
!

WTF, hadn't seen the video, Mr Tats this is a plunging neckline!

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/20/article-0-0AD8D0DB000005DC-682_224x384.jpg)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 09, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
Glad I’ve given you something to do today
She’s far more appropriately dressed today


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 09, 2017, 04:37:47 PM
Yeah but what you really think of her? :)
She seems very nice in most programs, plays very tight mostly even in cash nights in america prog .

The 56 dd hand just blew this quote up


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: cambridgealex on November 09, 2017, 05:03:16 PM
What would her father think?

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/cambridgealex/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-09%20at%2016.52.10_zpssi5yjhlh.png) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/cambridgealex/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-09%20at%2016.52.10_zpssi5yjhlh.png.html)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Marky147 on November 09, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
I'd have expected you to know what a low cut top is, given you spend longer in Vegas every year, than I spend at the hospital, Tony :D



Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Doobs on November 09, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
Kempe folded a straight flush draw.  Fella will never win anything.



Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: atdc21 on November 09, 2017, 05:54:07 PM
Looks like a normal top. The other lady seems to be missing both shoulder bits on her top tho  :)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: the sicilian on November 09, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
Maria is flipping gorgeous.. end of convo  :)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: rfgqqabc on November 09, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
It really makes her peel pre atrocious.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Rexas on November 10, 2017, 12:53:49 AM
...... fold pre?


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Steveswift on November 10, 2017, 06:36:28 AM
What would her father think?

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/cambridgealex/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-09%20at%2016.52.10_zpssi5yjhlh.png) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/cambridgealex/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-09%20at%2016.52.10_zpssi5yjhlh.png.html)

That’s a low cut top ?


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 10, 2017, 08:31:45 AM
She has heard about this thread and Tony's concerns, here is her official response

(https://www.pokernews.com/video/maria-ho-s-analysis-folding-10-s-with-a-set-11284.htm)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: pleno1 on November 10, 2017, 12:29:47 PM
Pre flop is a pretty clear fold. Post flop if Niall shows her a flush she can still just about call. Especially because of perceived reverse blockers from opponents it's a very very very easy call.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 10, 2017, 12:31:35 PM
Pre flop is a pretty clear fold. Post flop if Niall shows her a flush she can still just about call. Especially because of perceived reverse blockers from opponents it's a very very very easy call.

What about the lo cut top tho ?


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 10, 2017, 12:32:35 PM
Ooohhhh nearly kq v qq  high board she’s playing well
He missed a bet there on the river ?


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 10, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
She has heard about this thread and Tony's concerns, here is her official response

(https://www.pokernews.com/video/maria-ho-s-analysis-folding-10-s-with-a-set-11284.htm)

Not sure what happened to the link

https://www.pokernews.com/video/maria-ho-s-analysis-folding-10-s-with-a-set-11284.htm (https://www.pokernews.com/video/maria-ho-s-analysis-folding-10-s-with-a-set-11284.htm)


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Doobs on November 10, 2017, 01:30:14 PM
yuck.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: RED-DOG on November 10, 2017, 01:36:24 PM
yuck.

I don't understand this post but I can lift 'eavy fings.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Doobs on November 10, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
yuck.

I don't understand this post but I can lift 'eavy fings.

It is on the live reporting now.  Maria Ho Shove 10 bigs with AJ off.  Roca De Torres tank called in the SB with AA.  Firaldo had kings in the big blind with 6 millin chips and 3 million in the middle.  Was all very inevitable, but the two thread favourites have gone.

No more low cut tops at the final table. 

Ho didn't do anything bad today, neither did Firaldo, but were 6th and 5th respectively.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: atdc21 on November 10, 2017, 05:30:25 PM
The hoodie she had on in the interview was disappointing.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: 4KSuited on November 10, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
I had to check the date on the OP; thought it might’ve been bumped from 1977...

Whilst I wouldn’t usually consider disagreeing with pleno (or lots of others on here) on the subject of NLHE, having heard Ms Ho’s hand analysis, I think I’m happy to have instinctively agreed with her decision. Considering the hand didn’t get beyond the flop, it was a very long hand. Lots of tanking, with the whole table seemingly engrossed with the mental complexities of the decision making.

Would’ve been nice to see the Turn & River - just to see whether she was right, lol.

Meanwhile, mr tats, there’s a lot of female players at Luton G who will be delighted by your self-imposed ban there.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 10, 2017, 08:45:50 PM
Meanwhile, mr tats, there’s a lot of female players at Luton G who will be delighted by your self-imposed ban there.


I’m gutted

Say what you like I still don’t want to look at some birds tits


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: atdc21 on November 10, 2017, 09:14:25 PM
Hi tony.
you seem to of got yourself into a rage over this, but im confused to what is bugging you the most
1) she played it badly ( in your opinion)
2) you didnt like her top
3) You didnt like her make up
4) shes a woman
5) you didnt want to look at her tits.
maybe old Reddog is right and just move on from it.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: pleno1 on November 10, 2017, 09:14:58 PM
I had to check the date on the OP; thought it might’ve been bumped from 1977...

Whilst I wouldn’t usually consider disagreeing with pleno (or lots of others on here) on the subject of NLHE, having heard Ms Ho’s hand analysis, I think I’m happy to have instinctively agreed with her decision. Considering the hand didn’t get beyond the flop, it was a very long hand. Lots of tanking, with the whole table seemingly engrossed with the mental complexities of the decision making.

Would’ve been nice to see the Turn & River - just to see whether she was right, lol.

Meanwhile, mr tats, there’s a lot of female players at Luton G who will be delighted by your self-imposed ban there.

Every word of her analysis of the spot was completely off.

If Niall shows her AKhh she can still probably call..


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: shipitgood on November 11, 2017, 02:46:05 AM
Very good Pleno pads, but what are your views on post modern feminism?


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: nirvana on November 11, 2017, 06:56:01 AM
I had to check the date on the OP; thought it might’ve been bumped from 1977...

Whilst I wouldn’t usually consider disagreeing with pleno (or lots of others on here) on the subject of NLHE, having heard Ms Ho’s hand analysis, I think I’m happy to have instinctively agreed with her decision. Considering the hand didn’t get beyond the flop, it was a very long hand. Lots of tanking, with the whole table seemingly engrossed with the mental complexities of the decision making.

Would’ve been nice to see the Turn & River - just to see whether she was right, lol.

Meanwhile, mr tats, there’s a lot of female players at Luton G who will be delighted by your self-imposed ban there.

Every word of her analysis of the spot was completely off.

If Niall shows her AKhh she can still probably call..

It wasn't an analysis per se..it was her opinion and perspective on why she didn't want to run the risk of losing the hand. May make you a mug at pio central but makes her human too. I would love to see more of her


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 11, 2017, 07:47:04 AM

Meanwhile, mr tats, there’s a lot of female players at Luton G who will be delighted by your self-imposed ban there.
Mrs Phan ?
Edna ?
Have I missed anyone ?


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: tonytats on November 11, 2017, 07:55:00 AM
Hi tony.
you seem to of got yourself into a rage over this, but im confused to what is bugging you the most - no not really in a rage ,just lol at some of the answers on here !
Thought I’d better reply Saturday morning so I can’t be accused of drunk posting Friday night

1) she played it badly ( in your opinion) - yes that’s all just my opinion - 3 other set over straight / flush situations saw the chips go in !

2) you didnt like her top - I watched it from the start saw her sit down adjust it to the point of I thought her toots will pop out in a min ! I thought it was a white plunging neckline ,not the blue one in later vids ,either she changed or my eyes are up the creek !

3) You didnt like her make up - nope the penchant these days it for huge overmakeup
4) shes a woman - I have no problem with women

5) you didnt want to look at her tits.- no thanks

maybe old Reddog is right and just move on from it.- I am



Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Karabiner on November 11, 2017, 04:40:05 PM
I wouldn't say no to a quick shoofty.


Title: Re: Maria Ho folds a set
Post by: Boba Fett on November 14, 2017, 11:58:36 PM
What would her father think?

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/cambridgealex/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-09%20at%2016.52.10_zpssi5yjhlh.png) (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/cambridgealex/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-09%20at%2016.52.10_zpssi5yjhlh.png.html)

Pretty sure hes thinking that folding the flop is pretty dumb