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Title: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 02, 2018, 09:17:09 PM
we have some great tennis tipsters out there but alot of it gets swallowed up by FRED so how about a general tennis thread. I am a lover of tennis great sport to watch and GB are on the POST (to soon?) Murray rebalance. Konta  in the ladie's , Edmund in the men's game.
Jamie and a few others making names for themselves in the doubles.

Great first day for GB today in the Davis cup and thinks aren't looking as bad as they were and we maybe can avoid a play off for relegation. Have to say Cam Norrie today was unbelievable, left the house for my doctors appointment today he was 2 sets and 3-2 and a break down in the 3rd set.
when i spoke to my mum this evening i thought she was winding me up when she said he had won. Looking forward to tomorrows doubles now and the possibility of Edmund playing on sunday.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on February 02, 2018, 11:53:25 PM
Was a great match today. I tuned in at the beginning of the third set. Perfect timing. Amazing that Norrie came back vs an accomplished claycourter with very little experience himself on the surface. I think he was over 100/1 in running in the third set. I was cheering at the screen, one of the most fun matches I've seen in a good while.

If we win the doubles then we definitely could nick one of the last singles to take it.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 03, 2018, 12:10:59 AM
i cant believe i missed the fightback, inglot and murray both play only doubles now so could be good to go tomorrow


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 04, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
Norrie playing well but 2 - 1 down


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on February 04, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
Well looks like he's secured his wildcards to Wimbledon and Queens if nothing else. I wonder if he will start playing some more matches on clay now after his performance this weekend!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on February 04, 2018, 05:10:20 PM
actually he has hardly any points to defend in the next few months, so he could easily make a run into the top 100 and get into the main draw in Paris and also not need a WC at Wimbledon. That will be 3 British players in the top 100 - I'm still counting Murray - Could have been 4 had Dan Evans not been a complete idiot.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 04, 2018, 06:52:24 PM
hopefully GB can win the play off game so we can stay in world group next season but Edmund and Norrie could be backbone of a good TEAM rather than putting it all on Murray's shoulders
looking forward to watching the Brits both male and female climb into contention from now on


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 01, 2018, 04:54:03 PM
Edmund will take over from Murray and the GB number 1 next week when Murray loses his Dubai points

Edmund is still injuried but had alot less points to defend than Murray has


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on March 07, 2018, 06:34:26 PM
Indian Wells - So we bet someone each way from the bottom half of the draw for ATP Indian Wells but who.

I've gone Cilic at 25s and Schwartzmann at 100s

https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/atp-indian-wells/bnp-paribas-open/winner


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 11, 2018, 06:22:06 PM
Nadal out of Madrid, Fedderer back to world No1 and Edmund into QF and into top 20 as of next week

can he get himself established into the top 16 before wimbledon ?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on May 11, 2018, 06:27:33 PM
To be fair - he probably has a lot more chance at going deep in Paris, he doesn't seem a natural on the grass, but maybe he can become an all rounder. Let's see how he does now vs Shapo. I'm rooting for him. He could even win this tournament in Madrid!

Snaffled up the last of the 14s on Thiem and 50s on Bertens during play this afternoon for Roland Garros...


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on May 21, 2018, 11:48:34 PM
Was at a loose end on Saturday so went to watch Loughborough Challenger qualifiers. They created this tourney in the hope that Murray might play it as a warm up to the grass season, but he is still injured of course.

I saw Dan Evans play. His second tourney back after being banned for a year for taking cocaine. He was a cut above everyone else. A mean sliced back hand. Seems to be blowing a bit after the long rallies but I'm sure the fitness will come. But if he gets any main draw wildcards during the British grass season he may be able to get up the rankings quite quick one would hope, otherwise I guess he'll have to slog through the qualifiers each week.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 21, 2018, 03:31:30 PM
If kyrgios can keep his head together and serves like he has been doing today he will be a dangerous player at wimbledon


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on June 21, 2018, 03:43:30 PM
Some point that was between the legs for no reason at all.  What an entertainer he is.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on January 11, 2019, 01:57:04 PM

Australian Open (Men & Women) starts Sunday, any value thoughts for either?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 11, 2019, 10:37:57 PM
i had the money i would be laying andy murray at anything under 1000.0


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on May 16, 2019, 02:57:12 PM
Rome - Nick Krygios smashes his racquet, throws a chair on the court and walks off in the middle of a match 1-1 in the final set after being defaulted a game. My favourite player, I just wish he could sort himself out. My favourite part was he also left the fridge open on the court on purpose. I just wish he could keep it together.

Probably will be banned now despite the fact that he is by far the most interesting player on the tour as you aren't allowed to have any personality in tennis and you have to tow the corporate line/keep sponsors happy etc

He needs Jared Tendler!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 16, 2019, 05:14:12 PM
Rome - Nick Krygios smashes his racquet, throws a chair on the court and walks off in the middle of a match 1-1 in the final set after being defaulted a game. My favourite player, I just wish he could sort himself out. My favourite part was he also left the fridge open on the court on purpose. I just wish he could keep it together.

Probably will be banned now despite the fact that he is by far the most interesting player on the tour as you aren't allowed to have any personality in tennis and you have to tow the corporate line/keep sponsors happy etc

He needs Jared Tendler!

But he isn't going to be punished for having a personality, he is been punished for behavingvlike a dick on court.   I dare say he isn't by far the most interesting either.  Andy Murray has done a lot to suppport women in tennis, for instance.  Surely Tomic is as controversial, but I'll give you the best exponent of the underarm serve. 

Good to see Konta playing well again this year.   She seems to still be a bit fragile, but is winning from bad positions again this year, rather than losing from good ones.  She also lools like she can compete with top 10 playrs again.  Guess she is back in the top 32 if she wins her next match.  I don't think she is there yet, but I am not going to check on the live rankings yet as it fires off spam to my phone if I do.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 17, 2019, 05:56:16 PM
ooh.  Konta won again.  This time beating Vondrousova, who has been on fire this year (and started favourite).   I had a bet on Konta for the French Open the other day.  I think there is still some 80/1 e/w about, and this result should put her in the seeds. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 17, 2019, 06:42:18 PM
ooh.  Konta won again.  This time beating Vondrousova, who has been on fire this year (and started favourite).   I had a bet on Konta for the French Open the other day.  I think there is still some 80/1 e/w about, and this result should put her in the seeds. 

Don't need much encouragement to throw a few shekels at an 80/1 poke.

Good luck us!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 17, 2019, 10:49:56 PM
ooh.  Konta won again.  This time beating Vondrousova, who has been on fire this year (and started favourite).   I had a bet on Konta for the French Open the other day.  I think there is still some 80/1 e/w about, and this result should put her in the seeds. 

Don't need much encouragement to throw a few shekels at an 80/1 poke.

Good luck us!

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Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 17, 2019, 11:26:43 PM
Let's go, Konta!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 18, 2019, 02:49:10 PM
Let's go, Konta!

Think we have backed her for the wrong tournament.   She is through to the final in Rome.   She was proper smashing Kiki Bertens up at the end of today's game.  Kiki Bertens will be World number 3 after this weekend and was bang in form.   Konta is doing all this on clay, which was previously her worst surface. 

More Konta on clay stats; she has never made it to round 2 of the French Open.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 18, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Let's go, Konta!

Think we have backed her for the wrong tournament.   She is through to the final in Rome.   She was proper smashing Kiki Bertens up at the end of today's game.  Kiki Bertens will be World number 3 after this weekend and was bang in form.   Konta is doing all this on clay, which was previously her worst surface. 

More Konta on clay stats; she has never made it to round 2 of the French Open.

Standard :D

I'll take it out of Tikay's eurovision winnings... As they'll obviously have been spent by the time he gets to Vegas to collect.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 18, 2019, 05:49:16 PM
More Konta on clay stats; she has never made it to round 2 of the French Open.



now you tell me it might be a short sweat but my £5 EW is on

Lets Go


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 18, 2019, 06:17:26 PM
More Konta on clay stats; she has never made it to round 2 of the French Open.



now you tell me it might be a short sweat but my £5 EW is on

Lets Go

I didn't tell you that.   Not making the second round of the French Open is very much "meh, variance".   Think she wasn't good enough when she first played and has had at least one bad draw.   Last year she should have done better, but the whole of last year was a bit of a write off, and she seems very different this year.

You can watch summaries of her games on the WTA account on youtube.  She is playing really well at times.  I have 150/1 and Bertens is 10/1.   If she can compete with Bertens and Sloane Stephens, lots of recent prices have been too high.  I took some 50/1 Wimbledon the other day too.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 18, 2019, 07:30:39 PM
More Konta on clay stats; she has never made it to round 2 of the French Open.



now you tell me it might be a short sweat but my £5 EW is on

Lets Go

I didn't tell you that.   Not making the second round of the French Open is very much "meh, variance".   Think she wasn't good enough when she first played and has had at least one bad draw.   Last year she should have done better, but the whole of last year was a bit of a write off, and she seems very different this year.

You can watch summaries of her games on the WTA account on youtube.  She is playing really well at times.  I have 150/1 and Bertens is 10/1.   If she can compete with Bertens and Sloane Stephens, lots of recent prices have been too high.  I took some 50/1 Wimbledon the other day too.

yeah i was expecting big things from british women last season they all went backwards this season seems so much better already

looking forward to the summer ahead with the men looking like they might be on the upsurge too


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 19, 2019, 01:39:39 PM
Well she didn't win the final.  Her level seemed to drop a bit, but Pliskova looked very good.  She wasn't that far behind, so it all bodes well for the French Open.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 27, 2019, 11:31:22 AM
Konta is through to the 2nd round of the French Open for the first time.  There are more difficult matches ahead, but good to get through that one.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 29, 2019, 08:00:03 PM
Konta through to the 3rd round.  She had a bit of a shocker in the 2nd set, then tried to throw it away in the 3rd having been 5-0 up.  She woke up when 0-40 and facing a second break for 5-4.  Still she is now 33-1 or shorter with those offering e/w.

Bertens was in her way and has gone today, which should be good news.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 29, 2019, 08:12:54 PM
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Let's go!!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 31, 2019, 07:30:51 PM
Round 3 was easy, Konta just smashed it.   Donna Vekic is much tricker next up.

The number 2 seat, Pliskova, is out, so the route to the final is easier than it was. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on May 31, 2019, 07:34:37 PM
Lovely. Flights on Konta.

Maybe :)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 02, 2019, 09:35:51 AM
Konta/Vekic is second on aroind lunchtime.

Vekic slight favourite on Betfair.  3 each in head to head including the most recent, but no games om clay.   Both ranked similarly. I think Konta has the best recent form.  Vekic used to live in London and use a lot of UK facilities, so guess they'll know each other well.

We are in the 3rd quarter, but the 4th quarter has opened right up, with a good chance of Konta been favourite in the semi if she can get there.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 02, 2019, 01:03:41 PM
Well, Konta is through in straight sets.  Two more games before I lose my new account?

She smashed it in the first set.  It was a bit Konta playing really well and a bit Vekic playing badly.   I think Konta's first serve percent was up at 80% and Vekic's was about 40%.   The second set was more even, and Konta had a wobble at 40/15 when 4-3 up (it looked like she hit 4 unforced errors in a row).   From there she was way on top in the last two games (she may have won both games to zero?).

She seems to be playing better as she goes through the rounds. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 02, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Turning into a nice sweat for you all.

Having been scathing of Konta's clay pedigree in recent years, I kept my powder dry on this one, but she is really going through the gears and Vekic is a tough opponent. Hope she goes all the way!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 02, 2019, 01:50:02 PM
Come on Miss Konta, get us paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid!

Great shout, whatever happens!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on June 02, 2019, 04:46:25 PM

Good luck Team Konta.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: BigAdz on June 02, 2019, 05:06:41 PM
Well, Konta is through in straight sets.  Two more games before I lose my new account?

She smashed it in the first set.  It was a bit Konta playing really well and a bit Vekic playing badly.   I think Konta's first serve percent was up at 80% and Vekic's was about 40%.   The second set was more even, and Konta had a wobble at 40/15 when 4-3 up (it looked like she hit 4 unforced errors in a row).   From there she was way on top in the last two games (she may have won both games to zero?).

She seems to be playing better as she goes through the rounds. 

Can't see you losing the account. They will probably up your limits for backing a British female tennis player.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 02, 2019, 07:41:19 PM
£5 ew love a sweat to keep my mind off other things i might have to sort out my schedule so i can watch the 1/4s


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 02, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
for good measure and to preserve my account i added £2.5 ew on Edmunds at 150-1


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 04, 2019, 02:24:54 PM
She's done it again.   6-1, 6-4 against Sloane Stephens and playing fantastic.  She dropped only 1 point on serve in that last set and that was a double fault in the last game.

I can't say I really expected this, but just loving it.  Through to the semis.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on June 04, 2019, 02:34:55 PM

Wonderful news, well done David.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 04, 2019, 03:41:27 PM
She's done it again.   6-1, 6-4 against Sloane Stephens and playing fantastic.  She dropped only 1 point on serve in that last set and that was a double fault in the last game.

I can't say I really expected this, but just loving it.  Through to the semis.

Wynning!

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Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 04, 2019, 03:44:13 PM

Wonderful news, well done David.

Thanks Tony and Bergeroo earlier.  Certainly a hell of a ride for a 150/1 shot.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 04, 2019, 03:51:44 PM

Wonderful news, well done David.

Thanks Tony and Bergeroo earlier.  Certainly a hell of a ride for a 150/1 shot.

Wow! Didn't realise she was 150/1 at one point.

Konta paying for the 10k plo8?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 04, 2019, 04:06:55 PM

Wonderful news, well done David.

Thanks Tony and Bergeroo earlier.  Certainly a hell of a ride for a 150/1 shot.

Wow! Didn't realise she was 150/1 at one point.

Konta paying for the 10k plo8?

I was punting very early.  I watched her in the Fed Cup at the copperbox and saw a couple of other games and just sensed she had moved on from last year.  I should have rung up and tried to get more on.  You could get 170 on betfair at the time, and it was on clay, so think they'd have let me.  I wanted the each way, so didn't bet on betfair.  I was limited to 20 each way, so not quite the 10k PLO8.  Might upgrade the flight though!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on June 04, 2019, 05:53:24 PM
I've just watched the rerun of Konta's match and she played at a level way beyond anything I could have imagined.

If she can repeat that standard of performance I reckon she's both a shoo-in for the final and favourite for the title.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 04, 2019, 06:06:26 PM

Wonderful news, well done David.

Thanks Tony and Bergeroo earlier.  Certainly a hell of a ride for a 150/1 shot.

Wow! Didn't realise she was 150/1 at one point.

Konta paying for the 10k plo8?

I was punting very early.  I watched her in the Fed Cup at the copperbox and saw a couple of other games and just sensed she had moved on from last year.  I should have rung up and tried to get more on.  You could get 170 on betfair at the time, and it was on clay, so think they'd have let me.  I wanted the each way, so didn't bet on betfair.  I was limited to 20 each way, so not quite the 10k PLO8.  Might upgrade the flight though!

Great shout, whatever happens.

They only let me have a fiver e/w on, but SW on me if she wins.

Red 8 if she makes the final :D



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 04, 2019, 09:24:53 PM

Wonderful news, well done David.

Thanks Tony and Bergeroo earlier.  Certainly a hell of a ride for a 150/1 shot.

Wow! Didn't realise she was 150/1 at one point.

Konta paying for the 10k plo8?

I was punting very early.  I watched her in the Fed Cup at the copperbox and saw a couple of other games and just sensed she had moved on from last year.  I should have rung up and tried to get more on.  You could get 170 on betfair at the time, and it was on clay, so think they'd have let me.  I wanted the each way, so didn't bet on betfair.  I was limited to 20 each way, so not quite the 10k PLO8.  Might upgrade the flight though!

Great shout, whatever happens.

They only let me have a fiver e/w on, but SW on me if she wins.

Red 8 if she makes the final :D



unfortunately i havent seen a point from paris this week and wont get a chance to but having a £5 ew sweat on this is great had a good run win lose or draw


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: BigAdz on June 04, 2019, 11:26:02 PM
I read it early and laughed, then took some time to watch h a bit and got on once the big ship had sailed. I am on the lifeboat, but it's still an amazing spot and confirms what we all know about how good Doobs is at this punting malarkey.

Good luck.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Jamier-Host on June 05, 2019, 12:43:03 AM
ooh.  Konta won again.  This time beating Vondrousova, who has been on fire this year (and started favourite).   I had a bet on Konta for the French Open the other day.  I think there is still some 80/1 e/w about, and this result should put her in the seeds. 

Thanks for this. Remembered i stuck a fiver on at 100/1 too so decent sweat :)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 05, 2019, 01:23:20 PM
GL all on the Konta train/ship/vehicle.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 05, 2019, 01:52:29 PM
the 2nd set of konta/stephens is on replay on itv4 right now.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on June 05, 2019, 02:21:24 PM
I'm now on too :)

 ;bigadz;


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on June 05, 2019, 06:04:43 PM

Konta's semi-final delayed until Friday.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/48533519


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 05, 2019, 06:06:08 PM

Konta's semi-final delayed until Friday.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/48533519

Extra day off. WAL!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 05, 2019, 08:13:21 PM
https://www.braingametennis.com/long-rallies-3-8-of-points-who-cares/ (https://www.braingametennis.com/long-rallies-3-8-of-points-who-cares/)



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 05, 2019, 08:39:21 PM
Tell David Walzog to fire up the grills!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on June 06, 2019, 12:35:50 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 06, 2019, 01:28:24 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;

It has got to be a good result, given how short Halep was. 

There are two teenagers left in.  I watched Konta play Vondrousova in Italy and felt that Konta gave away the second set and was well ahead in the other two sets.  Having said that, Vondrousova has clearly strung some good results together and has been on fire this season.   I have seen a couple of Ashleigh Barty's games in France and she has played well in both, but I can't say I have seen much of Anismova. 

I was considering laying off a small bit, but can't at the prices, as I think Konta looks a bit too big if anything for her semi(currently 1.78/1.79).    I might have another look later.  She is now into 5//2 on betfair for the French Open.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 06, 2019, 02:12:40 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;

One time for the good guys!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: BigAdz on June 06, 2019, 02:18:38 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;

One time for the good guys!


Only missing Tikay for the FH of Bokkers........ ;D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 06, 2019, 02:40:35 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;

One time for the good guys!


Only missing Tikay for the FH of Bokkers........ ;D

:D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 06, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;

One time for the good guys!


Only missing Tikay for the FH of Bokkers........ ;D

:D

I am ready with the cashout button open just in case he shows up

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Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: TightEnd on June 06, 2019, 04:22:08 PM
Combined Roland-Garros wins of Anisimova, Barty, Konta & Vondrousova prior to this year's tournament: 3

Combined Roland-Garros wins of Nadal, Federer, Djokovic & Thiem prior to this year's tournament: 232

:-)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 07, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
yuck.

Konta had a few chances to win that set, and failed, Vondrousova had just one.

Comditions are difficult.   It is clearly windy and drizzling a bit, so both players struggling a bit at times.

Managed to lay some off at less than 1/2 Konta.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ant040689 on June 07, 2019, 11:55:27 AM
I randomly came on thread saw the tip and backed it myself from the off. A great sweat and a nice spot, unlucky.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 07, 2019, 12:01:36 PM
bollocks

Vindousova just played exceptionally in that tie break.  The shot for 5-2 was exceptional, I was sure Konta's shot before was a winner.

I haven't got the stats, but Vondrousova was significantly ahead on the long rallies in that match.  

There was a smash in the first set which Konta fluffed and then followed up with one that clipped the top of the net and dropped the wrong side.

She made a lot of unforced errors, but also hit moe winners.   Given how the long rallies went, I think she had to still keep going for it.   Just wasn't quite there today, and there wasn't much in it.   She did very well to get where she did.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ant040689 on June 07, 2019, 12:18:08 PM
bollocks

Vindousova just played exceptionally in that tie break.  The shot for 5-2 was exceptional, I was sure Konta's shot before was a winner.

I haven't got the stats, but Vondrousova was significantly ahead on the long rallies in that match.  

There was a smash in the first set which Konta fluffed and then followed up with one that clipped the top of the net and dropped the wrong side.

She made a lot of unforced errors, but also hit moe winners.   Given how the long rallies went, I think she had to still keep going for it.   Just wasn't quite there today, and there wasn't much in it.   She did very well to get where she did.

It all hinged on her not closing that first set with the dry volley, and the other glaring unforced error. Very tough blow to take and she couldn't shake it off. There was a big performance change after that i thought. The backhand unforced errors were letting her down big time. If Konta closed that first set with the momentum she had all tournament, it wouldn't have been surprising had she steamrollered the second.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on June 07, 2019, 03:21:50 PM
Damn. At least I didn't have to watch us get done :(

Great shout, all the same. Glad you managed to nick a few quid out of it anyway, Doobs!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: BigAdz on June 07, 2019, 04:07:22 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;

One time for the good guys!


Only missing Tikay for the FH of Bokkers........ ;D


Called it :(


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 07, 2019, 05:16:23 PM
Konta is in at 11-1 4th favourite for wimbledon, surely that's too short


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 07, 2019, 05:24:01 PM
Konta is in at 11-1 4th favourite for wimbledon, surely that's too short

She us 15/17 6th favourite on betfair,  which feels about right.  You can pick holes in everyone above her too.  I have 50s anyway :D   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on June 07, 2019, 08:58:53 PM
It's looking like a perfect storm for Konta now that Halep's gone.

 ;cheerleader;

One time for the good guys!


Only missing Tikay for the FH of Bokkers........ ;D

:D

I am ready with the cashout button open just in case he shows up

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GlitteringGrizzledFluke-size_restricted.gif)

Not Guilty M'Lord.

I so wanted to come on & be positive, but was too scared in case it all went tits up.

Unlucky lads, great shout though.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on June 19, 2019, 11:05:43 AM
Anyone tempted by the 20/1 available for the young Greek sensation Tsitsipas at Wimbledon?

He looks to me as though grass might well be his best surface.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Pokerpops on July 02, 2019, 07:44:12 PM
The young lad from Hull seems to growing into his first appearance in a Slam.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on July 12, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
i don't watch much (any) tennis these days but dipped into Wimbledon for Federer - Nadal - pretty remarkable stuff from these 2


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on July 12, 2019, 08:06:53 PM
Very impressive physical specimens, much like myself.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: engy on July 12, 2019, 09:46:00 PM
Can Novak be stopped though?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: TightEnd on July 13, 2019, 10:59:06 AM
Since federer won his first Slam singles title at Wimbledon in 2003, he's won 20 of past 64 Slam titles; add Nadal (18 Slams) & Djokovic (15) = 3 men have won 53/64 (83%) of all Slams between them for 16 yrs.

Murray was born in the wrong era!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on July 13, 2019, 01:03:09 PM
I saw that stat, or a similar one posted the other day on ESPN.

Definitely born in the wrong time :D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: TightEnd on July 13, 2019, 01:18:45 PM
One in eight men (12%) say they could win a point in a game of tennis against 23 time grand slam winner Serena Williams

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results

lol


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 13, 2019, 02:33:06 PM
One in eight men (12%) say they could win a point in a game of tennis against 23 time grand slam winner Serena Williams

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results

lol


if when i was on my feet i could get a serve or a return into court i would of been happy


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2019, 01:01:16 PM
Year-end Top Three

2007 Federer Nadal Djokovic
2008 Nadal Federer Djokovic
2009 Federer Nadal Djokovic
2010 Nadal Federer Djokovic
2011 Djokovic Nadal Federer
2014 Djokovic Federer Nadal
2018 Djokovic Nadal Federer
2019 Nadal Djokovic Federer


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on November 16, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
All three of them have 5 end of year number 1 rankings on their cv's now.   Quite an incredible extended era of tennis.   Can't believe all three of them are still operating at this level approaching 2020.   We will never see the like again in the same era.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on November 16, 2019, 04:49:52 PM
Fed destroyed by the future king of the game for me today.   This kid looks awesome.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 30, 2020, 09:57:36 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Radacanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: youthnkzR on October 10, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
Why is Nadal 8/11 in the French Open final?

H2H vs Djokovic on Clay is 17-7. Djokovic was having his best years for all but 2 of those wins (2011/2015/2016).

Nadal has won the last 3 Clay meetings. Skipped the US open for freshness.

Djokovic played 5 sets in his semi. Nadal hasn't dropped a set all tournament.

Surely the bookies have such a major sporting event priced up right but 8/11 seems a decent price to me.

Would the cold be a factor? Obviously, you'd think it would slow things down.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 06, 2021, 09:25:26 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Radacanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?

Ha, bumped this thread and found this. 

I thought Raducanu was going to be good, I didn't realise how good.  She is going to be UK number 1 in no time at all, and top 10 seems more likely than not.  It is just the range of shots she has, and she seems to be still improving rapisly.  Konta was pretty good in her prime, but never had Raducanu's range or speed of thought, and she made number 4 in the World.  As an aside, Konta seems to have been watching too many of Ivor Cumming's videos.  Even now she seems to be on the fence on the vaccine (seriously wtf?). 

You can watch all these US open games live on Amazon Prime (I finally have a use for it) and she is due on at 7pm.  She could easily win this one too.
 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 06, 2021, 10:17:26 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Radacanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?

Ha, bumped this thread and found this. 

I thought Raducanu was going to be good, I didn't realise how good.  She is going to be UK number 1 in no time at all, and top 10 seems more likely than not.  It is just the range of shots she has, and she seems to be still improving rapisly.  Konta was pretty good in her prime, but never had Raducanu's range or speed of thought, and she made number 4 in the World.  As an aside, Konta seems to have been watching too many of Ivor Cumming's videos.  Even now she seems to be on the fence on the vaccine (seriously wtf?). 

You can watch all these US open games live on Amazon Prime (I finally have a use for it) and she is due on at 7pm.  She could easily win this one too.
 



Can't watch Tennis tonight doobs, gotta watch the Solheim Cup climax. I'm a bit anti Solheim & Ryder Cups, but have to say this one is boiling up into a cracker.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 06, 2021, 10:36:14 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Radacanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?

Ha, bumped this thread and found this. 

I thought Raducanu was going to be good, I didn't realise how good.  She is going to be UK number 1 in no time at all, and top 10 seems more likely than not.  It is just the range of shots she has, and she seems to be still improving rapisly.  Konta was pretty good in her prime, but never had Raducanu's range or speed of thought, and she made number 4 in the World.  As an aside, Konta seems to have been watching too many of Ivor Cumming's videos.  Even now she seems to be on the fence on the vaccine (seriously wtf?). 

You can watch all these US open games live on Amazon Prime (I finally have a use for it) and she is due on at 7pm.  She could easily win this one too.
 



Can't watch Tennis tonight doobs, gotta watch the Solheim Cup climax. I'm a bit anti Solheim & Ryder Cups, but have to say this one is boiling up into a cracker.

I have been vaguely following it but a bit busy.  I saw that penalty on day 1 for early pick up of the ball, which seemed ridiculous, but that is golf.   Surely there should be a good of the game rule that supersedes the rules at points like this? 

Might have a look in tonight after the tennis if I remember.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 06, 2021, 10:51:24 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Radacanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?

Ha, bumped this thread and found this. 

I thought Raducanu was going to be good, I didn't realise how good.  She is going to be UK number 1 in no time at all, and top 10 seems more likely than not.  It is just the range of shots she has, and she seems to be still improving rapisly.  Konta was pretty good in her prime, but never had Raducanu's range or speed of thought, and she made number 4 in the World.  As an aside, Konta seems to have been watching too many of Ivor Cumming's videos.  Even now she seems to be on the fence on the vaccine (seriously wtf?). 

You can watch all these US open games live on Amazon Prime (I finally have a use for it) and she is due on at 7pm.  She could easily win this one too.
 



Can't watch Tennis tonight doobs, gotta watch the Solheim Cup climax. I'm a bit anti Solheim & Ryder Cups, but have to say this one is boiling up into a cracker.

I have been vaguely following it but a bit busy.  I saw that penalty on day 1 for early pick up of the ball, which seemed ridiculous, but that is golf.   Surely there should be a good of the game rule that supersedes the rules at points like this? 

Might have a look in tonight after the tennis if I remember.

Entirely agree, common-sense should have prevailed. To be fair, Team USA did not raise any objection from what I saw, it was the Match Referee.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 06, 2021, 11:42:55 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Radacanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?

Ha, bumped this thread and found this. 

I thought Raducanu was going to be good, I didn't realise how good.  She is going to be UK number 1 in no time at all, and top 10 seems more likely than not.  It is just the range of shots she has, and she seems to be still improving rapisly.  Konta was pretty good in her prime, but never had Raducanu's range or speed of thought, and she made number 4 in the World.  As an aside, Konta seems to have been watching too many of Ivor Cumming's videos.  Even now she seems to be on the fence on the vaccine (seriously wtf?). 

You can watch all these US open games live on Amazon Prime (I finally have a use for it) and she is due on at 7pm.  She could easily win this one too.
 


Prime is great for the tennis and now you can watch it through the sky box my Mother is loving it she watched all the brits through qualifying and the over night games she watches in full first thing in the morning
she is even able to work it on her own now and wayches as many brits as she can in singles and doubles.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 06, 2021, 09:13:56 PM
didnt see that happening after the first 2 games


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 06, 2021, 09:23:09 PM
didnt see that happening after the first 2 games

She is just so good.   She was 1.7 today and it seemed value.   

One more game and she is UK number 1.  Next game likely to be much tougher though.   Not sure what value is, 2.5 up?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 06, 2021, 09:37:55 PM
not sure shes has demolished 2 players ranked in the 40s but next round is a huge step up in class

think she must be on the verge of being able to get into the top tier events now on ranking alone if not would imagine a few wild cards


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 06, 2021, 09:55:46 PM
not sure shes has demolished 2 players ranked in the 40s but next round is a huge step up in class

think she must be on the verge of being able to get into the top tier events now on ranking alone if not would imagine a few wild cards

She is up to 74 on provisional rankings.  More than enough to get her straight into the US Open.  I can't imagine Eastbourne not inviting her. 

I have tickets for Nottingham carried forward to next year, but she might be too big time now!   She just seems box office, but really no idea how the wild cards go elsewhere.  If she carries on like this, she'll be getting into big tournaments on ranking alone in no time.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 06, 2021, 10:23:44 PM
where would she go rankings wise with a win or final?  top 20?  

https://live-tennis.eu/en/wta-live-ranking

23rd if she wins!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 07, 2021, 12:45:48 AM
didnt see that happening after the first 2 games

She is just so good.   She was 1.7 today and it seemed value.   

One more game and she is UK number 1.  Next game likely to be much tougher though.   Not sure what value is, 2.5 up?

Betfair have opened and she is currently 2.32/2.4, so will just watch for now.   

Have seen a few people mention she hasn't beaten a top 40 player, but demolishing a couple of players just outside the top 40 isn't the same as scraping home against them in 3 sets.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 07, 2021, 01:22:17 AM
What's Konta been saying, Doobs?

She can't be on the cummings express, can she?

Didn't she have it earlier this year and miss one of the comps because she was ill?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 07, 2021, 01:23:01 AM
didnt see that happening after the first 2 games

She is just so good.   She was 1.7 today and it seemed value.   

One more game and she is UK number 1.  Next game likely to be much tougher though.   Not sure what value is, 2.5 up?

Betfair have opened and she is currently 2.32/2.4, so will just watch for now.   

Have seen a few people mention she hasn't beaten a top 40 player, but demolishing a couple of players just outside the top 40 isn't the same as scraping home against them in 3 sets.   

Had it on in the office earlier, as the old man was raving about her, and I didn't even know he liked tennis :D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 07, 2021, 01:44:23 AM
Only just turned on after the first set here, and this looks lively!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 07, 2021, 08:56:44 AM
What's Konta been saying, Doobs?

She can't be on the cummings express, can she?

Didn't she have it earlier this year and miss one of the comps because she was ill?

Before Wimbledon she was pretty sceptical, and saying she liked to take her time on deciding whether to take the vaccine and pretty sure she went on about the long term risks etc. 

She then missed Wimbledon as one of her team got Covid (she got it herself soon after) and missed the Olympics because she was still suffering herself after Covid.  She has also acknowledged she missed a lot of training and taken time to get back.  I have probably seen her play most of her games since Wimbledon and she probably still isn't fully back, and she has dropped outside the top 32 to 60 or so.   

Then before the US Open, she was asked about the vaccine and she said she didn't like to talk about it, but then said it was a difficult decision and she was unsure if she should have taken the vaccine.  I don't think she has taken it yet, though she likely has quite a bit ot immunity now. 

She might have fallen down the rankings anyway, as she had a lot of points to defend, and her level had fallen before she got Covid.   I still just shake my head every time she speaks on the vaccine.  If you don't want to speak about the vaccine, just say no comment or similar.  It isn't just her though, I read the other day that approximately half tennis players haven't been vaccinated and Djokovic has managed to outdo Konta on this.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 07, 2021, 03:16:08 PM
What's Konta been saying, Doobs?

She can't be on the cummings express, can she?

Didn't she have it earlier this year and miss one of the comps because she was ill?

Before Wimbledon she was pretty sceptical, and saying she liked to take her time on deciding whether to take the vaccine and pretty sure she went on about the long term risks etc. 

She then missed Wimbledon as one of her team got Covid (she got it herself soon after) and missed the Olympics because she was still suffering herself after Covid.  She has also acknowledged she missed a lot of training and taken time to get back.  I have probably seen her play most of her games since Wimbledon and she probably still isn't fully back, and she has dropped outside the top 32 to 60 or so.   

Then before the US Open, she was asked about the vaccine and she said she didn't like to talk about it, but then said it was a difficult decision and she was unsure if she should have taken the vaccine.  I don't think she has taken it yet, though she likely has quite a bit ot immunity now. 

She might have fallen down the rankings anyway, as she had a lot of points to defend, and her level had fallen before she got Covid.   I still just shake my head every time she speaks on the vaccine.  If you don't want to speak about the vaccine, just say no comment or similar.  It isn't just her though, I read the other day that approximately half tennis players haven't been vaccinated and Djokovic has managed to outdo Konta on this.

Hopefully she's a warning for any of them that are hesitant, if she's still a bit wobbly, even now.

See that William Foxen and Kristen Bicknell have gone full crazy on this, and spend half their time retweeting conspiracy theorists now.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Horneris on September 07, 2021, 05:32:14 PM
Raducanu can hold the baton of British number 1 until Hannah Klugman comes of age.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 07, 2021, 09:08:50 PM
What's Konta been saying, Doobs?

She can't be on the cummings express, can she?

Didn't she have it earlier this year and miss one of the comps because she was ill?

Before Wimbledon she was pretty sceptical, and saying she liked to take her time on deciding whether to take the vaccine and pretty sure she went on about the long term risks etc. 

She then missed Wimbledon as one of her team got Covid (she got it herself soon after) and missed the Olympics because she was still suffering herself after Covid.  She has also acknowledged she missed a lot of training and taken time to get back.  I have probably seen her play most of her games since Wimbledon and she probably still isn't fully back, and she has dropped outside the top 32 to 60 or so.   

Then before the US Open, she was asked about the vaccine and she said she didn't like to talk about it, but then said it was a difficult decision and she was unsure if she should have taken the vaccine.  I don't think she has taken it yet, though she likely has quite a bit ot immunity now. 

She might have fallen down the rankings anyway, as she had a lot of points to defend, and her level had fallen before she got Covid.   I still just shake my head every time she speaks on the vaccine.  If you don't want to speak about the vaccine, just say no comment or similar.  It isn't just her though, I read the other day that approximately half tennis players haven't been vaccinated and Djokovic has managed to outdo Konta on this.

Hopefully she's a warning for any of them that are hesitant, if she's still a bit wobbly, even now.

See that William Foxen and Kristen Bicknell have gone full crazy on this, and spend half their time retweeting conspiracy theorists now.

Kristen Bicknell is a big disappointment; she genuinely seemed to be one of the good ones and went right back to playing 1/2 back in the day on Stars.  Have read some good stuff from her over the years.  I don't really know of that much about Foxen, but he looks well gone, on his way past Cummins to full David Icke.  Love some of the comments on his threads; you can't boycott the WSOP if you're barred. 

By comparison, it was no surprise when Charlie Carrell rocked up on some threads. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 07, 2021, 09:17:41 PM
What's Konta been saying, Doobs?

She can't be on the cummings express, can she?

Didn't she have it earlier this year and miss one of the comps because she was ill?

Before Wimbledon she was pretty sceptical, and saying she liked to take her time on deciding whether to take the vaccine and pretty sure she went on about the long term risks etc. 

She then missed Wimbledon as one of her team got Covid (she got it herself soon after) and missed the Olympics because she was still suffering herself after Covid.  She has also acknowledged she missed a lot of training and taken time to get back.  I have probably seen her play most of her games since Wimbledon and she probably still isn't fully back, and she has dropped outside the top 32 to 60 or so.   

Then before the US Open, she was asked about the vaccine and she said she didn't like to talk about it, but then said it was a difficult decision and she was unsure if she should have taken the vaccine.  I don't think she has taken it yet, though she likely has quite a bit ot immunity now. 

She might have fallen down the rankings anyway, as she had a lot of points to defend, and her level had fallen before she got Covid.   I still just shake my head every time she speaks on the vaccine.  If you don't want to speak about the vaccine, just say no comment or similar.  It isn't just her though, I read the other day that approximately half tennis players haven't been vaccinated and Djokovic has managed to outdo Konta on this.

Hopefully she's a warning for any of them that are hesitant, if she's still a bit wobbly, even now.

See that William Foxen and Kristen Bicknell have gone full crazy on this, and spend half their time retweeting conspiracy theorists now.

Kristen Bicknell is a big disappointment; she genuinely seemed to be one of the good ones and went right back to playing 1/2 back in the day on Stars.  Have read some good stuff from her over the years.  I don't really know of that much about Foxen, but he looks well gone, on his way past Cummins to full David Icke.  Love some of the comments on his threads; you can't boycott the WSOP if you're barred. 

By comparison, it was no surprise when Charlie Carrell rocked up on some threads. 

Yeah, really weird to see just how far they're gone. I worry, how people who are obviously very smart, get taken in.

I'm just a sheep, so I guess that's why I follow scientists, and not people on rumble or bitchute.

Carrell has been out there since the start, and I listened just to try and work out why, but gave up after a few streams :D



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 08, 2021, 12:04:13 AM
didnt see that happening after the first 2 games

She is just so good.   She was 1.7 today and it seemed value.   

One more game and she is UK number 1.  Next game likely to be much tougher though.   Not sure what value is, 2.5 up?

Betfair have opened and she is currently 2.32/2.4, so will just watch for now.   

Have seen a few people mention she hasn't beaten a top 40 player, but demolishing a couple of players just outside the top 40 isn't the same as scraping home against them in 3 sets.   

Back to the tennis.

I am beginning to think I should definitely back Bencic now as Raducanu is now 2.24/2.26.  I heard the tennis expert on 5 live earlier saying that all the pressure was on Bencic as Raducanu hadn't dropped a set yet.  This made me grumpy on two grounds, one that there can't be any logical reason that would be a good reason all the pressure was on the other player; and two, I don't think Bencic has dropped a set either.  Presumably all the pressure would be on Raducanu if that were true?   :dontask:

Then I read Naomi Broady speculating she could be British number one by this time next year.  Understanding of the ranking system obviously not a strong point (she wins this, she is there already).

I am not going to oppose Radacanu, as it will just mean I get grumpy whatever the result, but at least I know I should be betting against her...

Even more bizarre is that Radacanu is now shorter to win the whole thing on betfair than Bencic.

Anyway go Raducanu.




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 08, 2021, 02:14:45 AM
Is her match tomorrow night? (UK)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 08, 2021, 07:20:29 AM
Is her match tomorrow night? (UK)

It is 5pm UK today I think.   She is first on Ashe. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 08, 2021, 11:19:35 AM
Is her match tomorrow night? (UK)

It is 5pm UK today I think.   She is first on Ashe. 

Happy days. Cheers.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 08, 2021, 04:01:27 PM
Is her match tomorrow night? (UK)

It is 5pm UK today I think.   She is first on Ashe. 

i thought they were playing on hard courts ashe sounds a like soft to me
chippy tea for me tonight so uninterrupted watching just hoping she puts on a fight a win will be a bonus


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 08, 2021, 06:37:28 PM
Brilliant stuff


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: vegaslover on September 08, 2021, 06:39:27 PM
Brilliant stuff

 ;applause; ;applause; :)up :)up


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on September 08, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Fairly dominant performance that  ;hattip;


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 08, 2021, 06:46:25 PM
Marching on!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 09, 2021, 12:13:42 PM
wow Sakkari beat Piskova last night think this will be her 2nd slam semi final
think this is the better option than playing Piskova but Sakkari is playing well and beaten the 6 and the 4 seed now


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 09, 2021, 05:49:05 PM
wow Sakkari beat Piskova last night think this will be her 2nd slam semi final
think this is the better option than playing Piskova but Sakkari is playing well and beaten the 6 and the 4 seed now

Don't know if her form means much; they are all in form to get to the semis.   Would take the 17th seed in form over the 4th seed in form.  I'd far rather face Fernandez in the final for the same reason.   Optimistic she could win this, which is quite mad really.   

FWIW I did end up backing Raducanu in the last round.  I put 2.52 up which must have been taken not long before the off as it was still unmatched an hour or two before.  She is 2.3 or so for the semi now.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 10, 2021, 03:57:17 AM
Good first set!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 10, 2021, 04:43:09 AM
Great match


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 10, 2021, 04:44:31 AM
Worth staying up for!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 10, 2021, 07:41:03 AM

Oh my.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 10, 2021, 07:58:03 AM
Worth staying up for!

working today, so just watched it as live.  awful these days trying to avoid the result.  Even then got timing tells off amazon prime, so was pretty sure there would be only 2 sets followed by the guff after.

Loving it.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 10, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
I was just thinking I'd definitely take even money here; checks betfair; 1.7. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 10, 2021, 11:33:48 AM
there was one point in the middle of the 2nd set which was extraordinary Emma lost it but both players played an unbelievable rally.
i woke about 1:30 and couldnt get back to sleep so watched it live feeling it today as i had to be at the hospital for 9 this morning


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on September 10, 2021, 12:29:13 PM
This final is what women’s tennis has been begging for, for so many years. At long last a brand new generation of young, talented, fearless players. I’m completely torn about the final: Canada vs GB. To be honest, though, my heart will be with Fernandez in spite of my  ~40 years in England, but I will be absolutely delighted for whoever wins. Trouble is, I think I’ll have to watch it at Luton G....


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 10, 2021, 01:52:22 PM
Worth staying up for!

working today, so just watched it as live.  awful these days trying to avoid the result.  Even then got timing tells off amazon prime, so was pretty sure there would be only 2 sets followed by the guff after.

Loving it.   

Whenever I don't stay up for Boxing/UFC, I always ignore my whatsapp/twitter/fb until after I've watched, as it's otherwise impossible :D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 10, 2021, 01:53:19 PM
This final is what women’s tennis has been begging for, for so many years. At long last a brand new generation of young, talented, fearless players. I’m completely torn about the final: Canada vs GB. To be honest, though, my heart will be with Fernandez in spite of my  ~40 years in England, but I will be absolutely delighted for whoever wins. Trouble is, I think I’ll have to watch it at Luton G....

Ban ;D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on September 10, 2021, 02:00:02 PM
I'm glad it isn't just me that gets annoyed about getting spoilers from when it shows the duration of the match on Amazon Prime! Hate it.

My tried and tested hi-tech method is to use my hand to block on the screen where the duration is when you first start to play the match. After about five seconds it then disappears from the screen. Then you can't pause of skip bits, you just have to watch the whole thing through in one go, but the duration never pops up again so you don't know how long is left.

Well done Emma!

Worth staying up for!

working today, so just watched it as live.  awful these days trying to avoid the result.  Even then got timing tells off amazon prime, so was pretty sure there would be only 2 sets followed by the guff after.

Loving it.  


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 10, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
I was just thinking I'd definitely take even money here; checks betfair; 1.7. 

Meanwhile, she's ~4/6 for SPOTY


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 10, 2021, 06:05:25 PM
I was just thinking I'd definitely take even money here; checks betfair; 1.7. 

Meanwhile, she's ~4/6 for SPOTY

Only shortened a tad from the 500/1 on offer last week :D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 10, 2021, 06:47:13 PM
I was just thinking I'd definitely take even money here; checks betfair; 1.7. 

Meanwhile, she's ~4/6 for SPOTY

how is she the same price to win this as she is to win tomorrroow? she wins tomorrow she wins this and probablly wins it anyway if she loses.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 11, 2021, 02:38:14 AM
Super game tonight as well.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 11, 2021, 09:28:41 AM
Good news for those like me who don't have Amazon - Emma's match will be shown live & free-to-air on Channel 4 tonight.



https://twitter.com/C4Sport


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2021, 10:52:41 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/58514875


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on September 11, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
Thanks Tikay and arb for the broadcast update. So now I won’t have to go to the G..... but I still might, lol

4/7 Raducanu, 6/4 Fernandez on betties atm. I’m sure Emma’s blissfully unaware of the weight of expectation. At that price I’m inclined to have an interest on Fernandez: she’s shown some mettle on her journey to the final, having lost a few sets and battled back into her matches. Perhaps Emma has the psychological advantage in that she won their junior encounters (if I read an article correctly, I believe they met twice as 12-14 year olds and she won both), but this match is a totally different kettle of Slazengers


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 11, 2021, 01:34:12 PM
Thanks Tikay and arb for the broadcast update. So now I won’t have to go to the G..... but I still might, lol

4/7 Raducanu, 6/4 Fernandez on betties atm. I’m sure Emma’s blissfully unaware of the weight of expectation. At that price I’m inclined to have an interest on Fernandez: she’s shown some mettle on her journey to the final, having lost a few sets and battled back into her matches. Perhaps Emma has the psychological advantage in that she won their junior encounters (if I read an article correctly, I believe they met twice as 12-14 year olds and she won both), but this match is a totally different kettle of Slazengers

Well I'd prefer Emma to prevail, but two smiling youngsters like this pair has to be much better for the game than the growly stuff we have become used to seeing in recent years.


(https://i.imgur.com/1P3L1Ly.jpg)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2021, 01:46:35 PM
It's a weird one because logic says Emma has to be over bet by rec cash.   She has also run very well draw wise.   No seed until the last 8 and she run into the unseeded hometown girl who 'bounced' after beating the number 1 seed Barty v Emma and struggled with the pressure and expection.     She hasn't beaten anyone seeded in the top ten either.   Flip side is she is well rested with no close matches at all    

In contrast her opponent has much more soild form in the book beating the 2,3 and 5 seeds albeit it long tough encounters.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 11, 2021, 03:12:40 PM
Thanks Tikay and arb for the broadcast update. So now I won’t have to go to the G..... but I still might, lol

4/7 Raducanu, 6/4 Fernandez on betties atm. I’m sure Emma’s blissfully unaware of the weight of expectation. At that price I’m inclined to have an interest on Fernandez: she’s shown some mettle on her journey to the final, having lost a few sets and battled back into her matches. Perhaps Emma has the psychological advantage in that she won their junior encounters (if I read an article correctly, I believe they met twice as 12-14 year olds and she won both), but this match is a totally different kettle of Slazengers

Well I'd prefer Emma to prevail, but two smiling youngsters like this pair has to be much better for the game than the growly stuff we have become used to seeing in recent years.


(https://i.imgur.com/1P3L1Ly.jpg)


You leave Serena alone!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on September 11, 2021, 07:48:58 PM
I got tempted by the 2.56 about Emma in straight sets but what do I know?

I'm not even sure if rhetorical questions deserve a "?"

Gooooo Emmmmma  ;cheerleader;


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 11, 2021, 08:08:14 PM
I got tempted by the 2.56 about Emma in straight sets but what do I know?

I'm not even sure if rhetorical questions deserve a "?"

Gooooo Emmmmma  ;cheerleader;

Pretty sure Raducanu should be favourite, but more like 5/6 than 4/7.   She has been playing like a top 20 player throughout and has beaten every single opponent really well.  I know they were not top 10, but she has properly done over 11 and 12 in the rankings.  Just had to back Fernandez at 2.74, but still cheering for Emma.   

I don't know how she'll do against top 10 opponents in the future, but hope she just carries on as she has been and she'll be top 10 in no time.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2021, 08:36:49 PM
1.56 has to be close to a max lay of emma.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2021, 09:18:42 PM
some build up amazon prime offer to a slam final.   80 minutes of serious analysis from numerous old school faces.

emma drifts to 1.63 from 1.56 on going 0-15 down on the first point!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on September 11, 2021, 10:18:32 PM
Amazing stuff. The quality of tennis is almost unbelievable


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 11, 2021, 10:19:44 PM
That tennis by both players was incredible worth of the best players


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2021, 10:52:41 PM
sometimes you just have to do your dough taking the 'value'.   Hats off to her.   Very impressive.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 11, 2021, 11:12:39 PM
Hope to see those 2 fighting it out in later stages of events for years to come


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2021, 11:12:56 PM
how many female players in history have won a slam without losing a set and the closest set throughout was 6-4?  can't be many if any right?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on September 11, 2021, 11:18:14 PM
Very impressive & well deserved win. Hats off to her. She handled everything thrown at her. It’s great that we have seen the future of the women’s game - and an English girl is going to be a big part of it.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Chompy on September 11, 2021, 11:20:36 PM
Tempting to back her to win the lot next year but she's 18, is about to get the tabloid treatment and will win SPOTY. That's a bit of a whirlwind at that age.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 11, 2021, 11:23:11 PM
It has to be one of the greatest sporting achievements there's ever been surely? It's genuinely absurd what she's achieved.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 11, 2021, 11:26:40 PM

What is her World Ranking now?

Presumably, she's now British #1?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 11, 2021, 11:34:41 PM

What is her World Ranking now?

Presumably, she's now British #1?

Think she was at the semi final stage.   She is top 25 i think now with nothing to defend for ages.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: mondatoo on September 11, 2021, 11:36:52 PM

What is her World Ranking now?

Presumably, she's now British #1?

Think she was at the semi final stage.   She is top 25 i think now with nothing to defend for ages.

Yeah she had already achieved British #1 at semi's stage.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 11, 2021, 11:46:36 PM
Live rankings says she is number 23


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 11, 2021, 11:51:50 PM

What is her World Ranking now?

Presumably, she's now British #1?

23.  Her, Cori Gauff, Swiatek, Fernandez. Big changing of the guard.  Serena can't win another slam now?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 12, 2021, 12:14:13 AM


(https://i.imgur.com/cNIoDeP.jpg)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: The Camel on September 12, 2021, 12:39:14 AM
I miss Mere Novice.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on September 12, 2021, 12:46:48 AM
I miss Mere Novice.

Me too. I noticed he was active on the Emma threads on Twitter tonight.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 12, 2021, 01:48:03 AM
I miss Mere Novice.

Me too. I noticed he was active on the Emma threads on Twitter tonight.

We'd all have prob been on at 500/1 if he was.

Top man, is Mere, so glad to hear he's still about, even if absent.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on September 12, 2021, 09:17:08 AM
Watched the second set and the pres ceremony.

Have to say the brilliance and composure of both these women at such a young age was just brilliant to watch and loved their interviews during the presentation


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 12, 2021, 10:09:44 PM
12/1 best price for the Australian Open.  Only a few days ago I was looking at the US Open market and thinking 66/1 was a bit skinny and lamenting that I couldn't even get close to that.

Only Osaka and Barty ahead of her in the betting.  Can't see why Osaka would be ahead of Barty in the betting, you'd take Barty in a level bet, wouldn't you? ... and there must be a significant chance of a no show. 




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 22, 2021, 05:50:36 PM
i am shocked at how few fans turn up for the ATP and WTA 250 events


by the time you take out the journalist the backroom staff and the officals i think the only people buying tickets
are the betfair in-play traders


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 22, 2021, 09:17:56 PM
Isn't a lot of that due to Covid? We are now waiting on our 3rd year for the Nottingham Open (this year, some people did go, bu they operated at much reduced capacity).  Think it really depends on where it is.   You seem some crappy small events and there are barely any seats even if anyone rocked up.   Can't really see how the organisers turn a profit.

FWIW Queens and Eastbourne are bigger, but sell out in the later stages.  We went to the Fed Cup a couple of years ago and that must have filled the Copper Box.  Wimbledon is hilarious normally, but it was quite easy to get tickets for the main courts this year. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 28, 2021, 11:06:09 PM
Raducanu is 10/1 to win Indian Wells on the Skybet Raducanu specials which you find under tennis.

She is 9.4/10 on Betfair to win the Australian Open which is pretty likely to have a stronger field even with quarantine regs (Barty surely plays and Osaka can't be less likely to play given she is missing Indian Wells).

I know she isn't seeded, but they must have this one wrong?   They let me have £2.50 so guess it is £25 max. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 28, 2021, 11:35:04 PM
Raducanu is 10/1 to win Indian Wells on the Skybet Raducanu specials which you find under tennis.

She is 9.4/10 on Betfair to win the Australian Open which is pretty likely to have a stronger field even with quarantine regs (Barty surely plays and Osaka can't be less likely to play given she is missing Indian Wells).

I know she isn't seeded, but they must have this one wrong?   They let me have £2.50 so guess it is £25 max. 



thanks i got £25 on no problem, i am not sure if she will take up her wildcard last interview i heard she says she might go there and she might not. but at 10-1 risk rewards seems ok


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on September 29, 2021, 11:27:03 AM
these are crazy prices. There is no way she is near 10/1 for either of these tournies. She played great and ran well in one tourney. I might have to load up Betfair for this.

Similar thing happened to Gauff's odds after her breakout.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on September 29, 2021, 11:37:02 AM
Agreed she still hasn't beaten a top 10 player in her career.   She needs to forget about Bond movies and get her head down and kick on to avoid being potentially a one and done slam winner.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 29, 2021, 09:12:09 PM
Will happily take 10/1 on Indian Wells, cheers.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 01, 2021, 01:55:13 PM
How much longer will Murray get wildcards if he doesn't  get his ranking into top 100?
As a former number 1 and winner of slams will he get invites as much as long as he wants?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 01, 2021, 04:11:01 PM
I didn't watch the game last night but I feel he is playing at quite a high level, similar to Evans or Norrie and players ranked from 20 to 40. He played at a very high level vs Tsitspias and it was almost vintage Murray in parts of that match and some of the other matches has has lost have been tight, he isn't getting blown away, plus as a non seed you can often get tough draws and it is a vicious cycle.

If I am an ATP 250 or 500 tourney organiser then I am definitely giving Murray a wild card if he wants one because he is a grand slam winner, can put some bums on seats and draw interest and I also still think he has it in his locker to win one of these tournaments.

For the grand slams and probably the Masters 1000s I don't think he can probably win one of these again, but his ranking is only just outside the cut off anyway.

The whole wildcard system is a sham anyway usually to get a few more home players in the field. Some countries like France or the US benefit massively from this but if you are from some obscure country you have to do it all on hard work!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 01, 2021, 05:51:52 PM


The whole wildcard system is a sham anyway usually to get a few more home players in the field. Some countries like France or the US and the UK benefit massively from this but if you are from some obscure country you have to do it all on hard work!
FYP the GB players that get wildcards for wimbledon can play the rest of the reason without worry as 1st round prize money is more than they get for the rest of the year. Also as a Brit in wimbledon they get a bonus from there sponsor. They are also likely to get preferential treatment from the other grandslam countries in a you wash my back i'll wash yours style.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 02, 2021, 05:44:21 PM
yep totally correct. James Ward built his career for many years off Wimbledon wildcards.

I don't really see Brits getting extra wildcards for other tourneys around the world particularly. There is a thing between france and australia where they each give each other a wildcard for the grand slam in their country.

I'd like to see a stat of which players got the most wildcards in their careers. Must be out there somewhere.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 03, 2021, 03:47:46 PM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 next year?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 03, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 next year?

He could do it, but can't really see it.   Thinking he is maximising his potential with top 20.  Big old gap between 20 and 10 in ranking points.  Can you see him getting to the semi final in a major?  FWIW He is doing well in the race, but still needs a bigger result to get to the end of season finals and there isn't much time left.  Dunno how possible it is. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 03, 2021, 07:37:14 PM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 next year?

He could do it, but can't really see it.   Thinking he is maximising his potential with top 20.  Big old gap between 20 and 10 in ranking points.  Can you see him getting to the semi final in a major?  FWIW He is doing well in the race, but still needs a bigger result to get to the end of season finals and there isn't much time left.  Dunno how possible it is. 

think if he wants to make finals this season he needs to win tonight and Indian wells i cant see it happening but i think he has a chance at top 10 next year but he could also end up outside top 50


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 03, 2021, 08:11:18 PM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 next year?

He could do it, but can't really see it.   Thinking he is maximising his potential with top 20.  Big old gap between 20 and 10 in ranking points.  Can you see him getting to the semi final in a major?  FWIW He is doing well in the race, but still needs a bigger result to get to the end of season finals and there isn't much time left.  Dunno how possible it is. 

think if he wants to make finals this season he needs to win tonight and Indian wells i cant see it happening but i think he has a chance at top 10 next year but he could also end up outside top 50

Tonight makes no real difference; he needs to win Indain Wells or the Paris Masters to get in the finals.  To get top 10, he needs to be competing in those tournaments, not the 250s.  There are 1500 points to a top 10 ranking, and at least 1000 to get to the tour finals this year.  Think this year is pretty much not possible, looking at it more closely, as even if he winsa Masters tournament, one of his rivals could easily pick up another 250 or final one of the Masters events too.

He can get pretty close on absolute ranking, but he needs to make another big step up for top 10.   I think it is a lot easier for Raducanu to get top 10, as the gap is smaller, and she isn't losing significant ranking points for a long time.  And she has age on her side obv.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on October 04, 2021, 07:39:16 PM
I can't find any outright betting for Indian Wells - does it not go up until after the quallies?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 04, 2021, 10:54:56 PM
I can't find any outright betting for Indian Wells - does it not go up until after the quallies?

Might go up after the draw, which is tonight.

Raducanu went 6/1 to win Indian Wells with Sky, then it disappeared.  Will be interesting to see what happens when Betfair and the other bookies go up.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 05, 2021, 08:31:04 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/wta-indian-wells/winner (https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/wta-indian-wells/winner)

Indian Wells prices up.  Couldn't see anything on betfair


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 06, 2021, 03:12:41 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/wta-indian-wells/winner (https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/wta-indian-wells/winner)

Indian Wells prices up.  Couldn't see anything on betfair

Proper timber going on with those prices.  Raducanu opened favourite and everyone shortening bar Unibet.  She hasn't been above 9/1 on Betfair since they opened.

FWIW Paddy Power laid me another £2.50 at 10/1 when they opened, and nobody laid me anything from here.  Will be interesting to look back at all this in 12 months. 

HYPE.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on October 06, 2021, 04:20:19 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/wta-indian-wells/winner (https://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/wta-indian-wells/winner)

Indian Wells prices up.  Couldn't see anything on betfair

Proper timber going on with those prices.  Raducanu opened favourite and everyone shortening bar Unibet.  She hasn't been above 9/1 on Betfair since they opened.

FWIW Paddy Power laid me another £2.50 at 10/1 when they opened, and nobody laid me anything from here.  Will be interesting to look back at all this in 12 months. 

HYPE.

Baldy was first to put up 10/1 yesterday but that soon became 8/1.

365 are 11/2.

Not sure many can get on with Stan/Unibet.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 06, 2021, 05:49:01 PM
i want to cash out my £25 must be worth £40 now :-) cant cash out on this type of special bet


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 06, 2021, 06:11:38 PM
These odds are crazy. Everyone has lost their minds


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 06, 2021, 06:21:45 PM
I think I am going to lay her on the machine in the outright and bet against her in every match she plays. I will be interested to see the odds for her first match.

She has no coach, hasn't played in a month and has never played vs a top ten player.

I want to take some of the drugs you guys are taking who are all piling on!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on October 06, 2021, 06:47:10 PM
I think I am going to lay her on the machine in the outright and bet against her in every match she plays. I will be interested to see the odds for her first match.

She has no coach, hasn't played in a month and has never played vs a top ten player.

I want to take some of the drugs you guys are taking who are all piling on!

 :D ;tightend; ;applause;


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on October 06, 2021, 07:43:03 PM
These odds are crazy. Everyone has lost their minds

100% in your camp.  Will be laying to the max around 5/1 outright.  She could be the next Graf or the next Jen C!  Who knows. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 06, 2021, 08:28:10 PM
I think I am going to lay her on the machine in the outright and bet against her in every match she plays. I will be interested to see the odds for her first match.

She has no coach, hasn't played in a month and has never played vs a top ten player.

I want to take some of the drugs you guys are taking who are all piling on!

The top 10 is just a technicality really.  She beat 11 and 12 easily and Sakkari is 5th in the race, so her form is 3rd best here?   

Think the Simona Halep match will be interesting if they both win their openers, given she is one of Raducanu's heroes and one of my favourite players.   

Hardly piling on, just got a bet on at 11.5 on Betfair for the sweat.  You had plenty of chance to lay 10s.  I have no idea where this ends.  I have watched pretty much every recent match, and the progress has been astonishing.  She is bound to put in a bad performance in a match some time soon, but will enjoy the ride until then.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 06, 2021, 08:44:07 PM
I think I am going to lay her on the machine in the outright and bet against her in every match she plays. I will be interested to see the odds for her first match.

She has no coach, hasn't played in a month and has never played vs a top ten player.

I want to take some of the drugs you guys are taking who are all piling on!

The top 10 is just a technicality really.  She beat 11 and 12 easily and Sakkari is 5th in the race, so her form is 3rd best here?   

Think the Simona Halep match will be interesting if they both win their openers, given she is one of Raducanu's heroes and one of my favourite players.   

Hardly piling on, just got a bet on at 11.5 on Betfair for the sweat.  You had plenty of chance to lay 10s.  I have no idea where this ends.  I have watched pretty much every recent match, and the progress has been astonishing.  She is bound to put in a bad performance in a match some time soon, but will enjoy the ride until then.   

I mean - she is going to start as a clear favourite against Halep judging from the outright odds. How is that even possible?

I have been working all day and haven't had chance to get on the machine, so I didn't get the 10s on there - but I will certainly be getting involved!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 09, 2021, 07:21:38 AM
Well that wasn't good


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on October 09, 2021, 10:28:03 AM
The ultimate bounce.   Back to reality sweetie.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: doubleup on October 09, 2021, 01:00:45 PM
hey feel for poor bergeroo

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I think I am going to ...... bet against her in every match she plays

dripping roast put back in the larder after one brief viewing.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 09, 2021, 02:26:55 PM
Is the hype and madness over now?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 09, 2021, 05:36:58 PM
Is the hype and madness over now?

Probably not, best price 8/1 for the Austalian Open.  Swiatek is 14/1 by comparison. 

I don't see one game making much difference, she got over Wimbledon soon enough. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 11, 2021, 07:11:40 PM
The stadium for Evans match is deserted


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 11, 2021, 08:36:14 PM
Doobs you understand the rankings better than most why is Murray losing so many points this week ? going to drop down 50+ spots in the rankings presuming he gets knowed out in the next round


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 11, 2021, 09:18:42 PM
Doobs you understand the rankings better than most why is Murray losing so many points this week ? going to drop down 50+ spots in the rankings presuming he gets knowed out in the next round

Everyone has been able to carry points forward from 2019 in thier ranking points, if they got better results in 2019 than 2020.  Everyone could do this, and many people had much better results in 2019, because Covid caused a lot of cancellations in 2020.  In Murray's case he won 250 points in Antwerp in this week in 2019, so those points will disappear officially when Indian Wells finishes, but the live ATP ranking site takes them out early.  This was how Konta was managing to stay so high for most of the year despite having a dreadful time of it for the last 18 months (barring the Nottingham 250 win).  Boulter has suffered worse, as she got her injury pre Covid, so the exemption didn't really help her, as both 2019 and 2020 were poor.

Murray basically needs a big points scoring tournament to get back in the top 100; and he needs at least the quarter final here to not drop too far.   I watched Murray last night and there are definite signs he is coming back; he even did an underarm serve at one point.  Having said that, he does suddenly look old at other points.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 12, 2021, 03:25:16 AM
Ah wasn't sure where the big point drop was coming from as he hasn't done anything this past few years. Yeah I watched him too some good moments but just not as fast as he was going to struggle to get back in top 50 I think


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 12, 2021, 08:51:55 AM
Ah wasn't sure where the big point drop was coming from as he hasn't done anything this past few years. Yeah I watched him too some good moments but just not as fast as he was going to struggle to get back in top 50 I think

On a lot of points, he seems pretty quick, so I think it is more a stamina issue.  He seems to struggle more as the rally goes on and seems to move like an old man on occasion.   Despite this I thinks he gets more game time, he can get better.  Djokovic is his age and Federer can still compete at a high level, so there is no reason Murray can't be top 50 if his health holds.

As an aside, Norrie has got himself a decent draw in the next round, so the quarter final is more likely than not.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 12, 2021, 05:42:02 PM
Ah wasn't sure where the big point drop was coming from as he hasn't done anything this past few years. Yeah I watched him too some good moments but just not as fast as he was going to struggle to get back in top 50 I think

On a lot of points, he seems pretty quick, so I think it is more a stamina issue.  He seems to struggle more as the rally goes on and seems to move like an old man on occasion.   Despite this I thinks he gets more game time, he can get better.  Djokovic is his age and Federer can still compete at a high level, so there is no reason Murray can't be top 50 if his health holds.

As an aside, Norrie has got himself a decent draw in the next round, so the quarter final is more likely than not.   

UK number 1 if he makes the semi?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 12, 2021, 08:01:53 PM
Ah wasn't sure where the big point drop was coming from as he hasn't done anything this past few years. Yeah I watched him too some good moments but just not as fast as he was going to struggle to get back in top 50 I think

On a lot of points, he seems pretty quick, so I think it is more a stamina issue.  He seems to struggle more as the rally goes on and seems to move like an old man on occasion.   Despite this I thinks he gets more game time, he can get better.  Djokovic is his age and Federer can still compete at a high level, so there is no reason Murray can't be top 50 if his health holds.

As an aside, Norrie has got himself a decent draw in the next round, so the quarter final is more likely than not.   

UK number 1 if he makes the semi?

Looks like it.   Probably deserves it too.  Think this will be his best ever performance at this level if he makes the next round.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 13, 2021, 10:50:59 PM
didnt think either player was wanting to win there own serves


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 13, 2021, 11:03:56 PM
didnt think either player was wanting to win there own serves

Yeah shambles of a start to the third set.  Hot sure Norrie wanted to break either, 11 break points in one game. 

First quarter final in an ATP1000.   Hopefully keep playing in front of few spectators at around this time.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 13, 2021, 11:17:19 PM
i just hope its not a late night game, mum woke up this morning to watch andy's game turn on the tv started on bbc "andy murray lost" that was before she got to the app on sky


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 14, 2021, 04:20:40 PM
i just hope its not a late night game, mum woke up this morning to watch andy's game turn on the tv started on bbc "andy murray lost" that was before she got to the app on sky

He is on at 7pm tonight.  Bit earlier than I was expecting, so thought I'd give you a heads up.   I am likely to miss the first set  because of kids.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 14, 2021, 04:45:24 PM
Thanks mum already spotted it on amazon before I woke up, she ecstatic no bbc sports reporter ruining it for her in the morning


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 14, 2021, 08:25:45 PM
best i have seen him play, GB #1 and top 20


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 14, 2021, 08:27:18 PM
best i have seen him play, GB #1 and top 20

Missed the first set, but the second looked good.  Maybe he'll beat Raducanu to top 10 after all.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 14, 2021, 08:59:40 PM
best i have seen him play, GB #1 and top 20

Missed the first set, but the second looked good.  Maybe he'll beat Raducanu to top 10 after all.

first set was too easy hardly any unforced errors
i still think he could be top 10 next year going to be seeded for all the events now should get better runs and maybe some decent points in the 1000s i think today was his first ever QF om anything above a 500 a couple more of them and his ranking will climb


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 16, 2021, 09:01:52 AM
best i have seen him play, GB #1 and top 20

Missed the first set, but the second looked good.  Maybe he'll beat Raducanu to top 10 after all.

first set was too easy hardly any unforced errors
i still think he could be top 10 next year going to be seeded for all the events now should get better runs and maybe some decent points in the 1000s i think today was his first ever QF om anything above a 500 a couple more of them and his ranking will climb

It massively opened up last night and there is nobody left who is playing much better than him. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 16, 2021, 10:11:11 AM
best i have seen him play, GB #1 and top 20

Missed the first set, but the second looked good.  Maybe he'll beat Raducanu to top 10 after all.

first set was too easy hardly any unforced errors
i still think he could be top 10 next year going to be seeded for all the events now should get better runs and maybe some decent points in the 1000s i think today was his first ever QF om anything above a 500 a couple more of them and his ranking will climb

It massively opened up last night and there is nobody left who is playing much better than him. 


9.30 tonight

all 4 players left will be feeling good about chances of winning


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 18, 2021, 08:53:35 AM
Oi Oi, crashed out last night whilst listening to it.  Got the max on with Sky at the semi final stage (£25 rather than £2.50 this time).  He has only got to overtake one of two to get to the finals now (Nadal isn't going), and he isn't that far behind either.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 18, 2021, 09:25:56 AM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 THIS year?

FMP

Surely a matter of time now, but is he told enough to stay there?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 18, 2021, 10:26:18 AM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 THIS year?

FMP

Surely a matter of time now, but is he told enough to stay there?

150 points to get in the top 8 in the race, and then to the finals, still 500 for the top 10.  If he gets to the finals, there is a really good chance he gets in the top 10 with the points he picks up once there.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 18, 2021, 01:11:54 PM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 THIS year?

FMP

Surely a matter of time now, but is he told enough to stay there?

150 points to get in the top 8 in the race, and then to the finals, still 500 for the top 10.  If he gets to the finals, there is a really good chance he gets in the top 10 with the points he picks up once there.   

It just dawned on me that by the end of this year, everyone will be back on points scored over the last 12 months on the rankings (no best of 2019 or 2020), so if he has enough to get to the ATP finals (effectively top 9 without Nadal), he should also have enough to be top 10 at the end of the year.  So some people above must be losing some significant points by the end of this year (either from 2019 or 2020).   

Anyway, good news if I am right.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 18, 2021, 01:31:44 PM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 THIS year?

FMP

Surely a matter of time now, but is he told enough to stay there?

150 points to get in the top 8 in the race, and then to the finals, still 500 for the top 10.  If he gets to the finals, there is a really good chance he gets in the top 10 with the points he picks up once there.   

It just dawned on me that by the end of this year, everyone will be back on points scored over the last 12 months on the rankings (no best of 2019 or 2020), so if he has enough to get to the ATP finals (effectively top 9 without Nadal), he should also have enough to be top 10 at the end of the year.  So some people above must be losing some significant points by the end of this year (either from 2019 or 2020).   

Anyway, good news if I am right.
noice

now if only i had bet on him making top 10 rather than Emma winning Indian Wells :-)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 19, 2021, 10:49:51 AM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 THIS year?

FMP

Surely a matter of time now, but is he told enough to stay there?

150 points to get in the top 8 in the race, and then to the finals, still 500 for the top 10.  If he gets to the finals, there is a really good chance he gets in the top 10 with the points he picks up once there.   

It just dawned on me that by the end of this year, everyone will be back on points scored over the last 12 months on the rankings (no best of 2019 or 2020), so if he has enough to get to the ATP finals (effectively top 9 without Nadal), he should also have enough to be top 10 at the end of the year.  So some people above must be losing some significant points by the end of this year (either from 2019 or 2020).   

Anyway, good news if I am right.
noice

now if only i had bet on him making top 10 rather than Emma winning Indian Wells :-)

Pretty sure nobody was offering this, so would have needed a request a bet.   It should have been a big price this year, as am guessing the Indian Wells win alone would have been 33/1 or so.  Guess he'd be long odds on for next year right now given he is so close.  A couple of weeks ago, you'd price who gets to top 10 first as 1/3 Radacanu, 3/1 Norrie? (assuming 100% book).   Now you'd be offering big odds Radacanu?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 19, 2021, 10:59:35 AM
If you want a big price Norrie; he is 100/1 to win the Australian Open on Sky and PP.  Sure that is worth a punt e/w.  For comparison Raducanu is best priced 11/1, and Thiem, who must be an injury doubt, best priced 12/1.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 19, 2021, 12:03:37 PM
has Norrie had vaccine if he has then that's a great price as the big 3 are all likely missing it, if Novak is "unlikely to defend" i assume that reading between lines he hasn't had it and is unlikely too

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/58964622


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 19, 2021, 01:16:24 PM
has Norrie had vaccine if he has then that's a great price as the big 3 are all likely missing it, if Novak is "unlikely to defend" i assume that reading between lines he hasn't had it and is unlikely too

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/58964622

I had it in my head he was vaccinated, but not sure why I thought that.   Think him and Djokovic are in different places, Norrie would likely do most things for a slam, whereas Djokovic  has got plenty already.  Djokovic has come across as pretty anti vaxx over the last 18 months, so wouldn't surprise me at all if he didn't go.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 19, 2021, 01:47:25 PM
has Norrie had vaccine if he has then that's a great price as the big 3 are all likely missing it, if Novak is "unlikely to defend" i assume that reading between lines he hasn't had it and is unlikely too

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/58964622

I had it in my head he was vaccinated, but not sure why I thought that.   Think him and Djokovic are in different places, Norrie would likely do most things for a slam, whereas Djokovic  has got plenty already.  Djokovic has come across as pretty anti vaxx over the last 18 months, so wouldn't surprise me at all if he didn't go.

yeah i havent heard either way on Norrie, with top players like Novak out, Nadal and Roger doubtful that will remove some of the favourites from the betting whcih surely means when they kick off in Jan Norries odds will be much reduced even if he doesn't get another result this season


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 19, 2021, 09:24:08 PM
great match today for Andy against a player 11 years his junior both players played well with more winners than unforced error

3 tie breaks to decide the match


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 25, 2021, 03:58:46 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59037620


no quarantine for players with the job but 14 days in hotel for those without
cant see many wanting to make the trip to be stuck indoors away from training courts


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 25, 2021, 04:52:34 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59037620


no quarantine for players with the job but 14 days in hotel for those without
cant see many wanting to make the trip to be stuck indoors away from training courts

I saw that overnight.   It is going to be pretty hard for Djokovic to hide his vaccination status if he is stuck in a hotel for 2 weeks.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 25, 2021, 05:37:47 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59037620


no quarantine for players with the job but 14 days in hotel for those without
cant see many wanting to make the trip to be stuck indoors away from training courts

I saw that overnight.   It is going to be pretty hard for Djokovic to hide his vaccination status if he is stuck in a hotel for 2 weeks.

I'd piss myself laughing if he was actually vaccinated, but just wanted to wind everyone up.

I think Ivey is in Dkjok's boat, as well. Dwan was chatting with him at the Hustler game over the weekend, Ivey was telling him there was a good game at the Aria he's playing at the moment. Got talking about masks and stuff, then Dwan asked him if he got the vaccine. Ivey's reply was 'I don't want to talk about that', but given he's not at the WSOP, you could kinda guess that.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 25, 2021, 05:52:33 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59037620


no quarantine for players with the job but 14 days in hotel for those without
cant see many wanting to make the trip to be stuck indoors away from training courts

I saw that overnight.   It is going to be pretty hard for Djokovic to hide his vaccination status if he is stuck in a hotel for 2 weeks.

yeah he has already said he might not make the trip to defend his title


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 25, 2021, 09:25:51 PM
Emma Raducanu back in action tomorrow and again a monster favourite. She has said she has no coach. So I will be backing against her in every match again until these prices change because I still think they are ridiculous.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 26, 2021, 04:38:26 PM
Norrie looked good this afternoon


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on October 26, 2021, 06:08:01 PM
After leading 4-1 Emma has lost the first set 4-6


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 26, 2021, 07:47:22 PM
After leading 4-1 Emma has lost the first set 4-6

She didn't look good at all until she broke to win the 2nd set


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 27, 2021, 12:44:19 PM
looks like those without vaccine wont get to play Aussie Open after the PM left it in the hands of the state PM who says not on your nelly (maybe not in the exact words)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59062787


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Horneris on October 27, 2021, 01:22:59 PM
G
looks like those without vaccine wont get to play Aussie Open after the PM left it in the hands of the state PM who says not on your nelly (maybe not in the exact words)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59062787

Good


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on October 27, 2021, 02:35:18 PM
Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 27, 2021, 03:11:31 PM
Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

I mean - this thread is going to derail fast - but I think it is pretty widely accepted that having a vaccine makes it harder for you to catch the virus, get affected by it less and therefore less chance to pass it on.

And yeah - why the hell should some tennis player who isn't vaxxed get to go stuff that some member of the Australian population can't do if they aren't vaxxed.

Presumably if any of the players catches Corona than they will need to get medical treatment, and that will be state medical care.

If they do it with tennis then they have to do it with every other sport and every other job? They already got enough heat last year for flying everyone in when Aussies couldn't even get a flight home or a hotel to quarantine.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 27, 2021, 03:40:13 PM
Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

Who you getting your medical info from, the towie virologist on Twitter?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Horneris on October 27, 2021, 05:03:47 PM
Anything that makes life difficult for that fraud Novak Chokeovic in his pursuit of the grand slam record (on his own) feels like a bonus to me.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on October 27, 2021, 05:58:17 PM
Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

Who you getting your medical info from, the towie virologist on Twitter?

Tbf, both you and Bergeroo resorting to ad hominem makes me realise how solid my ground is here :-)

It's a FACT that it doesn't stop you catching Covid.

It's a FACT that you can still be contagious.

It's a FACT that Novicaneovic will be able to afford to go private if he needs any healthcare or more likely, as the strapping epitome of fitness that he is, he aint likely to require hospitalisation.

Natch, yr all quite mad and only Horners comes up with a good reason for 'Good'.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 27, 2021, 06:02:36 PM
Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

Who you getting your medical info from, the towie virologist on Twitter?

Tbf, both you and Bergeroo resorting to ad hominem makes me realise how solid my ground is here :-)

It's a FACT that it doesn't stop you catching Covid.

It's a FACT that you can still be contagious.

It's a FACT that Novicaneovic will be able to afford to go private if he needs any healthcare or more likely, as the strapping epitome of fitness that he is, he aint likely to require hospitalisation.

Natch, yr all quite mad and only Horners comes up with a good reason for 'Good'.


It's a FACT you are less likely to catch it
It's a FACT your less contagious if you have it
Its a FACT not all the tennis players are multi millionaires

now please take your conspiracy theories back to the covid thread

thank you for your time


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on October 27, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

Who you getting your medical info from, the towie virologist on Twitter?

Tbf, both you and Bergeroo resorting to ad hominem makes me realise how solid my ground is here :-)

It's a FACT that it doesn't stop you catching Covid.

It's a FACT that you can still be contagious.

It's a FACT that Novicaneovic will be able to afford to go private if he needs any healthcare or more likely, as the strapping epitome of fitness that he is, he aint likely to require hospitalisation.

Natch, yr all quite mad and only Horners comes up with a good reason for 'Good'.


It's a FACT you are less likely to catch it
It's a FACT your less contagious if you have it
Its a FACT not all the tennis players are multi millionaires

now please take your conspiracy theories back to the covid thread

thank you for your time

GFY, I'm a conspiracy free zone and dont get off on telling me where to post you dolt


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 27, 2021, 06:32:51 PM
Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

Who you getting your medical info from, the towie virologist on Twitter?

Tbf, both you and Bergeroo resorting to ad hominem makes me realise how solid my ground is here :-)

It's a FACT that it doesn't stop you catching Covid.

It's a FACT that you can still be contagious.

It's a FACT that Novicaneovic will be able to afford to go private if he needs any healthcare or more likely, as the strapping epitome of fitness that he is, he aint likely to require hospitalisation.

Natch, yr all quite mad and only Horners comes up with a good reason for 'Good'.

Your ground is about as solid as my legs :D


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 27, 2021, 06:55:06 PM


GFY, I'm a conspiracy free zone and dont get off on telling me where to post you dolt

Proof of losing a debate is when you resort to name calling.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 27, 2021, 06:56:52 PM
now back to the tennis

Alcaraz looks like the future of tennis had a great year


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on October 27, 2021, 11:21:02 PM


GFY, I'm a conspiracy free zone and dont get off on telling me where to post you dolt

Proof of losing a debate is when you resort to name calling.

This is not a debate as it takes 2 or more to debate. Anyway, take yr debate discussion to the massdebater topic


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 28, 2021, 12:37:08 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 28, 2021, 12:43:48 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)
I am getting updates from my mum as I await anambupance


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 28, 2021, 12:49:52 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)
I am getting updates from my mum as I await anambupance

Hoping that isn't as alarming as it sounds and is just a standard trip for you.  Good luck either way. 

The boy is playing very well FWIW.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Horneris on October 28, 2021, 01:37:15 PM
now back to the tennis

Alcaraz looks like the future of tennis had a great year

Elite talent. Looks a touch of value in the next round against Berrettini @ around 2/1.

An obvious step up in opponent but Alcaraz won the tiebreak tens warm up tournament here last week (beating Tsitsipas in the final), is clearly very happy on and used to the surface and looks in great form. Berre is back from a break and seems to be stuttering slightly despite winning.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 28, 2021, 02:58:00 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)

Ah, he cocked that up.   Was 5-1 and 6-4 in the second set tiebreak and couldn't win it.   Top 10 will have to wait for now, but is still possible by the year end.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on October 28, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)

Ah, he cocked that up.   Was 5-1 and 6-4 in the second set tiebreak and couldn't win it.   Top 10 will have to wait for now, but is still possible by the year end.

Boy, does that Auger Aliassime have comebackability or what? I looked at the score at the beginning of the second set & thought he was toast


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 28, 2021, 04:20:46 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)

Ah, he cocked that up.   Was 5-1 and 6-4 in the second set tiebreak and couldn't win it.   Top 10 will have to wait for now, but is still possible by the year end.

Boy, does that Auger Aliassime have comebackability or what? I looked at the score at the beginning of the second set & thought he was toast


The stats at the end of set 1 were ridiculous.  Norrie had won 100% of first and second serves, and Auger Aliassime was winning 11% of second serves.  He looked burried in that tie break too, going up to 5-1, he wasn't really getting a look in.   Also Norrie had a volley for the match that looked easy enough and he missed by quite a bit.   I didn't see much of the 3rd set as was working and trying to follow Raducanu at the same time. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 28, 2021, 05:23:41 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)
I am getting updates from my mum as I await anambupance

Hoping that isn't as alarming as it sounds and is just a standard trip for you.  Good luck either way. 

The boy is playing very well FWIW.
chest infection and vomiting


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 28, 2021, 05:47:26 PM
Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)
I am getting updates from my mum as I await anambupance

Hoping that isn't as alarming as it sounds and is just a standard trip for you.  Good luck either way. 

The boy is playing very well FWIW.
chest infection and vomiting

Nirvana can have that effect sometimes ;)

Hope you're on the mend soon, mate.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 28, 2021, 05:56:20 PM
Seems like the 1 billion plus vaccines have been a complete waste of time then in your opinion if I have interpreted you correctly. So yeah fair enough

Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

Who you getting your medical info from, the towie virologist on Twitter?

Tbf, both you and Bergeroo resorting to ad hominem makes me realise how solid my ground is here :-)

It's a FACT that it doesn't stop you catching Covid.

It's a FACT that you can still be contagious.

It's a FACT that Novicaneovic will be able to afford to go private if he needs any healthcare or more likely, as the strapping epitome of fitness that he is, he aint likely to require hospitalisation.

Natch, yr all quite mad and only Horners comes up with a good reason for 'Good'.


It's a FACT you are less likely to catch it
It's a FACT your less contagious if you have it
Its a FACT not all the tennis players are multi millionaires

now please take your conspiracy theories back to the covid thread

thank you for your time


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on October 28, 2021, 05:57:10 PM
All the best. Hope it isn't as nasty as it sounds like it might be.

Thread seems to have taken a funny turn since I last posted.

Haven't got time for that right now, just popped in to say Norrie is on Amazon now and Radacanu on about the same time this is due to finish.

Given Hurkacz has lost, I am pretty sure Norrie is top 10 if he wins this and the next game. 

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race (https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-race)
I am getting updates from my mum as I await anambupance

Hoping that isn't as alarming as it sounds and is just a standard trip for you.  Good luck either way. 

The boy is playing very well FWIW.
chest infection and vomiting


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on October 28, 2021, 07:19:21 PM
Seems like the 1 billion plus vaccines have been a complete waste of time then in your opinion if I have interpreted you correctly. So yeah fair enough

Such a crazy stance since being vaxed doesnt stop you catching it or passing it on and pretty sure these players wont be a drain on any state provided medical care. Is there a logic to this beyond, we're taking this approach with our population so we cant give exemptions to foreigners

Who you getting your medical info from, the towie virologist on Twitter?

Tbf, both you and Bergeroo resorting to ad hominem makes me realise how solid my ground is here :-)

It's a FACT that it doesn't stop you catching Covid.

It's a FACT that you can still be contagious.

It's a FACT that Novicaneovic will be able to afford to go private if he needs any healthcare or more likely, as the strapping epitome of fitness that he is, he aint likely to require hospitalisation.

Natch, yr all quite mad and only Horners comes up with a good reason for 'Good'.


It's a FACT you are less likely to catch it
It's a FACT your less contagious if you have it
Its a FACT not all the tennis players are multi millionaires

now please take your conspiracy theories back to the covid thread

thank you for your time

1 bn is good, 4-5 bn or whatever the adult pop of the world is, would be better. I personally love a vax and got another couple coming over the next couple of weeks.

I don't think I've ever expressed an anti vax sentiment in my life so it is surprising to me that people could interpret anything I've said that way.

Anyway, seems commenting on someone else's comment regarding the intersection between Tennis tournaments and the world around us is unwelcome. As a celebrity, I am not surprised to find myself cancelled with barely a voice these days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 28, 2021, 08:40:57 PM
Quote
Even if they have no or few symptoms, the chance of them transmitting the virus to other unvaccinated housemates is about two in five, or 38%.

This drops to one in four, or 25%, if housemates are also fully vaccinated.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 28, 2021, 10:11:16 PM
Quote
Even if they have no or few symptoms, the chance of them transmitting the virus to other unvaccinated housemates is about two in five, or 38%.

This drops to one in four, or 25%, if housemates are also fully vaccinated.


Shrugs

less likely to catch it, so passing it on when you have it is barely half the story.

Plus anti-vaxxers are more likely to have bad habits, less likely to be wearing a mask, and less likely to isolate for a "fake" virus.

I am not for vaccine passports in pubs, because I don't really think it makes a huge difference if you get 2 of them in a room with 20 people in it.  The risk is very likely to be less than 50% higher than having a room full of 20 people who have done the right thing.  I'd be a bit more risk averse if I walked into a pub and Lozza Fox and his crew were all stood at the bar.  And I wouldn't really want to do long haul sat next to one. 

I think we just let Australia do what they like, we just look like a bit dumb criticising them, when they have had much more succesful stragies than ours.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 28, 2021, 11:03:19 PM
Lazy commenting, so you deserve at least 7 lashes.

Have to make an example of a-list celebs, when we can ;)

As for the quoting, you all want an absolute shellacking for the abomination that is the last few pages  :redcard:


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on October 29, 2021, 04:25:54 PM
Anyone seen the tennis thread?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 29, 2021, 04:34:09 PM
Anyone seen the tennis thread?

Failed PCR and in isolation for 10 days.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 29, 2021, 05:41:19 PM
i loved this thread after i got my mum interested in tennis with amazon
i even put on a few crazy bets like Norrie for Aussie open at 100-1
it was a break for me from reading about covid everywhere on social media
and the news etc.
this was a break from it i mentioned it on here as i thought it would have an impact on odds etc
i am sorry i have done that as its brought covid onto a haven i had away from it
don't worry i will now step away from this thread as well


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on October 29, 2021, 06:21:23 PM
Don't be silly, absolutely no need for that.

No harm, no foul. Or whatever it is they say :)

I'm sure it's all good in the hood, and we can just proceed as before.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 29, 2021, 06:38:41 PM
Yeah, don't go. Got some big Norrie sweats in the New Year, and still got the top 10 sweat to go too.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on October 30, 2021, 03:44:16 PM
i loved this thread after i got my mum interested in tennis with amazon
i even put on a few crazy bets like Norrie for Aussie open at 100-1
it was a break for me from reading about covid everywhere on social media
and the news etc.
this was a break from it i mentioned it on here as i thought it would have an impact on odds etc
i am sorry i have done that as its brought covid onto a haven i had away from it
don't worry i will now step away from this thread as well


There aint nothing like a dame


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 04, 2021, 02:22:03 PM
Cameron Norrie just lost, which means he can only get in the end of year finals if someone drops out.  It looks like he will also finish just outside the top 10; I think he'd have made it if he won this match.

There is still a high chance he makes top 10 when he next plays; it looks like he is going to be only 40 points behind Nadal with a likely big gap to whoever is in 12th in the rankings at year end.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 17, 2021, 12:48:04 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59320466 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59320466)

Norrie runs good.   I haven't checked, but assume he is year dnd top 10 if he wins a match.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 17, 2021, 07:57:52 PM
Calling Ironside, he is about to start.  betfair now 40/75 on BF for the Australian Open.  Skybet still 80/1.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 17, 2021, 10:24:24 PM
Calling Ironside, he is about to start.  betfair now 40/75 on BF for the Australian Open.  Skybet still 80/1.

yeah i noticed other day sky bet much bigger than anyone else


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on December 01, 2021, 11:37:53 AM
Jo Konta has retired from tennis
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/59466439


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on December 01, 2021, 12:22:20 PM
Jo Konta has retired from tennis
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/59466439

Just saw that, she has clearly been struggling since Covid started.  Wonder if she ever did get the jab and could have played the Australia Open?  Guess the timing suggests otherwise?

Don't want to end on a downer, because she very much made the most of her talents and probably went as far as she could, and coming back from that position whilst struggling with injury would be very difficult, and don't think she has much left to prove. Also shocking the crap she got for not being British when her parents brought her here when she was still a child. Good luck to her in retirement.

Bring on the Radacanu years, and hopefully Sonay Kartal and Matilda Mutavdzic will be up near the top soon enough.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on December 29, 2021, 04:45:57 PM
Djork pulled out of ATP cup


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 04, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
Breaking news


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59865959


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 04, 2022, 12:02:05 PM
Breaking news


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59865959

So he must have claimed he had covid again recently?   Quite something to say he is unwilling to reveal his vaccination status then effectively does so.   Is anyone giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he did intend to get the vaccine before his recent "illness"?



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: vegaslover on January 04, 2022, 01:15:10 PM
Breaking news


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59865959

So he must have claimed he had covid again recently?   Quite something to say he is unwilling to reveal his vaccination status then effectively does so.   Is anyone giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he did intend to get the vaccine before his recent "illness"?



Nope, if he was going to get the vaccine he would have already done so. Was pretty obvious he hadn't had the vaccine.
Probably not had covid either, seems convenient if he has suddenly caught it.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 05, 2022, 02:27:47 PM
Breaking news


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59865959

So he must have claimed he had covid again recently?   Quite something to say he is unwilling to reveal his vaccination status then effectively does so.   Is anyone giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he did intend to get the vaccine before his recent "illness"?



Nope, if he was going to get the vaccine he would have already done so. Was pretty obvious he hadn't had the vaccine.
Probably not had covid either, seems convenient if he has suddenly caught it.

You put your left leg in, your left leg out...

Turns out he has rocked up with the wrong visa.

https://www.tennis365.com/australian-open/novak-djokovic-australia-entry-delayed-visa-bungle/ (https://www.tennis365.com/australian-open/novak-djokovic-australia-entry-delayed-visa-bungle/)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 05, 2022, 10:20:19 PM
Breaking news


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59865959

So he must have claimed he had covid again recently?   Quite something to say he is unwilling to reveal his vaccination status then effectively does so.   Is anyone giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he did intend to get the vaccine before his recent "illness"?



Nope, if he was going to get the vaccine he would have already done so. Was pretty obvious he hadn't had the vaccine.
Probably not had covid either, seems convenient if he has suddenly caught it.

You put your left leg in, your left leg out...

Turns out he has rocked up with the wrong visa.

https://www.tennis365.com/australian-open/novak-djokovic-australia-entry-delayed-visa-bungle/ (https://www.tennis365.com/australian-open/novak-djokovic-australia-entry-delayed-visa-bungle/)

In a statement, the Australian Border Force said Djokovic "failed to provide appropriate evidence to meet the entry requirements to Australia, and his visa has been subsequently cancelled.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59889522 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59889522)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 06, 2022, 12:51:53 PM
Norrie hasn't played well all week in the ATP cup, hoping he can pick himself up before the start of the Open or with or without Novak he ain't winning diddly squat.
Dan Evans has looked on fire all week though.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 06, 2022, 04:15:28 PM
Norrie hasn't played well all week in the ATP cup, hoping he can pick himself up before the start of the Open or with or without Novak he ain't winning diddly squat.
Dan Evans has looked on fire all week though.

Agree, Norrie has looked a bit off the pace since he had a chance of the ATP finals.   That bet on him has looked worse by the week, sometimes it is good to be limited.  Right on Dan Evans, he looks to have been loving it too.

Today was a bit odd; as soon as Canada won the first set, Germany knew they couldn't qualify (as I understood it), so Zverev was finding it hard to get motivated.  They need to change that in future so both the last group games happen at the same time, though given Canada beat us it was probably the right result.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: RED-DOG on January 07, 2022, 10:37:12 AM
I can't believe the hoo haa surrounding Djokovik at the moment.

Fans protesting outside his hotel, his mam and dad complaining to the media, his wife starting a petition I can just about understand, but the president of Serbia getting involved and calling the Australians idiots is surely beyond the pale.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 07, 2022, 11:21:51 AM
I can't believe the hoo haa surrounding Djokovik at the moment.

Fans protesting outside his hotel, his mam and dad complaining to the media, his wife starting a petition I can just about understand, but the president of Serbia getting involved and calling the Australians idiots is surely beyond the pale.



I don't get much of this, they have said he is allowed to leave if he wants (presumably Australia!), and he is choosing to stay. The way the tournament organisers seem to have told him he can come does seem a bit of a shambles.  You'd think they'd make sure the advice they gave was correct given his position in the rankings.   But I am sure he is surrounded by well paid people who organise things for him, so my sympathy doesn't go too far.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on January 07, 2022, 05:13:20 PM
I can't believe the hoo haa surrounding Djokovik at the moment.

Fans protesting outside his hotel, his mam and dad complaining to the media, his wife starting a petition I can just about understand, but the president of Serbia getting involved and calling the Australians idiots is surely beyond the pale.

Insular, racist bigots would have been accurate but probably beyond the pale - idiots seems quite fair but could be reasonably applied to most people/nations at one time or another.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 07, 2022, 05:37:30 PM
Fuck him, is about my stance on it.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on January 08, 2022, 08:16:05 AM
I don’t understand why Djokovic isn’t already on a plane back to Belgrade. Unless he’s simply investing time building martyr status. Having recently contracted Covid is absolutely no grounds for vaccine exemption, so he will lose his case on Monday.

There’s no question, though, that the Australian authorities that told him he could enter Australia on that basis have seriously screwed up. How could they think that it would ever end well, with a population that has possibly suffered the most draconian of all lockdowns (bar China)?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 08, 2022, 10:14:07 AM
2.88 on Betfair!

Apparently there is still a strong believe he will be playing.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on January 08, 2022, 10:38:10 AM
I don’t understand why Djokovic isn’t already on a plane back to Belgrade. Unless he’s simply investing time building martyr status. Having recently contracted Covid is absolutely no grounds for vaccine exemption, so he will lose his case on Monday.

There’s no question, though, that the Australian authorities that told him he could enter Australia on that basis have seriously screwed up. How could they think that it would ever end well, with a population that has possibly suffered the most draconian of all lockdowns (bar China)?

I think there's a conflict(in US terms)between state and federal rulings.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on January 08, 2022, 02:20:26 PM
I don’t understand why Djokovic isn’t already on a plane back to Belgrade. Unless he’s simply investing time building martyr status. Having recently contracted Covid is absolutely no grounds for vaccine exemption, so he will lose his case on Monday.

There’s no question, though, that the Australian authorities that told him he could enter Australia on that basis have seriously screwed up. How could they think that it would ever end well, with a population that has possibly suffered the most draconian of all lockdowns (bar China)?

His reps saying he had Covid on the 16th December, and supposedly there are loads of pictures all over the web of him at some event for his foundation on that date :D

Impossible for normal people to get away with much nowadays,. nevermind global superstars trying to fabricate alibis.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 10, 2022, 10:50:37 AM
I don’t understand why Djokovic isn’t already on a plane back to Belgrade. Unless he’s simply investing time building martyr status. Having recently contracted Covid is absolutely no grounds for vaccine exemption, so he will lose his case on Monday.

There’s no question, though, that the Australian authorities that told him he could enter Australia on that basis have seriously screwed up. How could they think that it would ever end well, with a population that has possibly suffered the most draconian of all lockdowns (bar China)?

His reps saying he had Covid on the 16th December, and supposedly there are loads of pictures all over the web of him at some event for his foundation on that date :D

Impossible for normal people to get away with much nowadays,. nevermind global superstars trying to fabricate alibis.

Hard not to be cynical about the "test" on the 16 November.   It does seem to me that the decision this morning was right, the procedure where he had his visa removed seemed shambolic at best.  Evejn the people we dislike are entitled to fair treatment.  Though not sure how many people who aren't Djokovic would be entitled to due process at the borders.

Seems odd that the immigration minister needs time to go through this.   There were two possibilities, so surely he should have prepared for both? 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on January 10, 2022, 02:01:08 PM
I don’t understand why Djokovic isn’t already on a plane back to Belgrade. Unless he’s simply investing time building martyr status. Having recently contracted Covid is absolutely no grounds for vaccine exemption, so he will lose his case on Monday.

There’s no question, though, that the Australian authorities that told him he could enter Australia on that basis have seriously screwed up. How could they think that it would ever end well, with a population that has possibly suffered the most draconian of all lockdowns (bar China)?

Pass the humble pie.

But I’m definitely getting up to watch & hear his reception on the show courts...


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 10, 2022, 02:25:34 PM
I don’t understand why Djokovic isn’t already on a plane back to Belgrade. Unless he’s simply investing time building martyr status. Having recently contracted Covid is absolutely no grounds for vaccine exemption, so he will lose his case on Monday.

There’s no question, though, that the Australian authorities that told him he could enter Australia on that basis have seriously screwed up. How could they think that it would ever end well, with a population that has possibly suffered the most draconian of all lockdowns (bar China)?

Pass the humble pie.

But I’m definitely getting up to watch & hear his reception on the show courts...

I am pretty sure it isn't over, as the Immigration Minister has it in his power to remove the visa.  Given that would effectively ban Djokovic for 3 years and it can still be appealed, then that doean't seem the most likely action (though can still happen).

AFAIK the ruling was due to the border officials not following a fair process.  eg they agreed Djokovic could have time to consider/discuss the issues, but then unilaterally took away his visa before the agreed time.  This was the issue as I understand it, and this doesn't change the border rules and wasn't due to the judge ruling on freedom of choice/or ruling if he had met the criteria for entry to Australia.   



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on January 10, 2022, 02:45:31 PM
After reading a lot about this I am still confused as to whether if you are not vaccinated but have a recent Covid infection you are allowed to enter Australia.

A few things do not make sense.

As far as I am aware the deadline to apply for the medical exemption from Tennis Australia was on 10 December, but Djokovic claims he had Covid on 16 December. This timeline doesn't match up. What did his application say, the application that was approved? It couldn't have said he had Covid in the past six months because at that point he didn't. So he got an excemption for something else?

Secondly, as has been pointed out by many, the fact he had Covid on 16 December but was out and about on the 17th and 18th.

There is also this bizarre idea that I have that Djokovic was out and about trying to get Covid so he could get the exemption, rather than getting a vax.

I think the Aussie government just has to take the L now and move on. Hope he gets booed out of the stadium.





Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on January 10, 2022, 05:30:37 PM
Is the general hate for super Djok because he's known to be a very bad man, wife beater or something like that or because he doesn't want a vaccination.

If the latter then presumably y'all know you've lost your minds


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 10, 2022, 05:40:45 PM
Is the general hate for super Djok because he's known to be a very bad man, wife beater or something like that or because he doesn't want a vaccination.

If the latter then presumably y'all know you've lost your minds

He is a bit grumpy and has had more than his fair share of bad behaviour on court.   

People who haven't been vaccinated don't really bother me, people who encourage others not to get vaccinated do.  Think it would have been better if he just did the no vax thing quietly, and didn't mention the medical exemption.  I don't even think he comes out of this worst, Tennis Australia seem to be leading the way.

Think I am losing my mind slowly if that helps.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on January 10, 2022, 06:35:24 PM
He is just cringe. (as my 14 year old cousin would say)

Oh and he believes that he can change the molecular structure of water with his emotions.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on January 10, 2022, 06:37:11 PM
Great thread here:

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479730371679850500


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on January 10, 2022, 09:54:30 PM
Is the general hate for super Djok because he's known to be a very bad man, wife beater or something like that or because he doesn't want a vaccination.

If the latter then presumably y'all know you've lost your minds

He is a bit grumpy and has had more than his fair share of bad behaviour on court.  

People who haven't been vaccinated don't really bother me, people who encourage others not to get vaccinated do.  Think it would have been better if he just did the no vax thing quietly, and didn't mention the medical exemption.  I don't even think he comes out of this worst, Tennis Australia seem to be leading the way.

Think I am losing my mind slowly if that helps.

Haha, last sentence so true for half the world these days. I'm older than you and I do remember existential threats like nuclear war etc. But the last 5 years or so, Brexit ref, Trump, pandemic have been enough to test anybodys perspectives and general sense of wellbeing


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on January 10, 2022, 09:55:34 PM
He is just cringe. (as my 14 year old cousin would say)

Oh and he believes that he can change the molecular structure of water with his emotions.



Yoou wont be old enough but he must be the Uri Geller of the tennis world. Reasonable to think him oddball I guess


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on January 10, 2022, 10:05:35 PM
Great thread here:

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479730371679850500

The rules bit of it is less bothersome to me than to most I think because, transparently, i think the rules are daft. I spent most of lockdown breaking the rules, only very slightly but by the letter of the mandates/laws (can't remember what they were) , I was breaking them so glass houses and all that.

Rule breaking by Govt's like ours or not applying them properly (like I assume must have happened in Australia) seems much worse than citizens trying to bend or break the rules



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on January 11, 2022, 12:41:54 AM
He is just cringe. (as my 14 year old cousin would say)

Oh and he believes that he can change the molecular structure of water with his emotions.



Yoou wont be old enough but he must be the Uri Geller of the tennis world. Reasonable to think him oddball I guess

Oh I am old enough. I think I remember everyone had to touch an orange spot on the TV to help England win Euro 96. Or maybe I just made that up?!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 11, 2022, 02:25:08 AM
He is just cringe. (as my 14 year old cousin would say)

Oh and he believes that he can change the molecular structure of water with his emotions.



Yoou wont be old enough but he must be the Uri Geller of the tennis world. Reasonable to think him oddball I guess

Oh I am old enough. I think I remember everyone had to touch an orange spot on the TV to help England win Euro 96. Or maybe I just made that up?!

yeah he also claimed to move the ball before the penalty


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 11, 2022, 10:10:27 AM
Radacanu is playing right now on Amazon, for those that missed it.  It isn't pretty right now, so you aren't missing much, but first game of the year vs someone ranked higher...  I am not sure I'd recommend looking at the Aussie Open qualifying results either...

At least Murray won.

Should have added that Rybakina finalled last week, so is in good form.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: doubleup on January 11, 2022, 01:54:26 PM

Djock can probably blame his parents for any of his shortcomings as they appear to be the most egregious crybaby drama queens.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: RED-DOG on January 11, 2022, 02:01:50 PM
Egregious. I had to look it up.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on January 11, 2022, 04:38:40 PM
Egregious. I had to look it up.

Shame on you!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: vegaslover on January 12, 2022, 07:57:05 AM
How is Djokovic still in Australia ?
Obviously has contempt for any rules/laws that are in place. If the Gov't allow him to stay how the hell can they expect their citizens to abide by rules?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 12, 2022, 01:14:59 PM
Assume they have to be sure that it will hold up legally or Djoks legal team will claim that they wrongly ruined his whole year?

Still the fav at 2.9, that has to be a lay? Surely this is going to have been a little off-putting!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on January 12, 2022, 11:51:26 PM
well I am sure he is in no hurry to leave with his three year jail sentence in Serbia waiting for him. This has gone quite absurd now. Like a ripple effect from when you tell one lie.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 14, 2022, 07:19:49 AM
Woke up to this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59991762 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59991762)

His visa is cancelled again and a three year ban.  I don't know what grounds they can appeal it.  I am not convinced they are following the science, but it is clear he hasn't followed the rules.




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 14, 2022, 08:05:49 AM
You can still lay him at 3.5?

Is there any reason not to do this for chunks?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 14, 2022, 08:55:54 AM
You can still lay him at 3.5?

Is there any reason not to do this for chunks?

If he appeals, he can still play whilst the decision is pending?   What chance do you put on that?  Not sure I'd want to leave money on that market as you are asking to get shafted by someone who knows the news before you.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 14, 2022, 09:02:33 AM
In other news Andy Murray has made the final in Sydney, where he may play Dan Evans.  Think he gets back in the top 100 if he wins, though haven't checked. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 14, 2022, 09:37:13 PM
BBC are showing Andy's final 8 am tomorrow on the red button and on the sports app/website



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2022, 08:15:14 AM

On yer bike son.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 16, 2022, 09:24:36 AM

On yer bike son.

All bets voided on Djokovic on betfair. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on January 16, 2022, 09:35:09 AM

On yer bike son.

All bets voided on Djokovic on betfair. 

No?

Surprised at that. But I guess it explains the weird prices that were available.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 16, 2022, 10:06:53 AM

On yer bike son.

All bets voided on Djokovic on betfair. 

No?

Surprised at that. But I guess it explains the weird prices that were available.

Funny thing was it dawned on me that was likely to happen as soon as I saw the headline, but I didn't think about it before.  Must be getting slack with my betting thinking.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2022, 10:24:06 AM
Novak seems an ironic name now.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 16, 2022, 10:54:57 AM

Djokovic 'treated like mass murderer' - Serb president

Spat my coffee out at that headline on the BBC given the Serb president's history. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on January 16, 2022, 01:56:32 PM
Novak seems an ironic name now.

No Djoking


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: RED-DOG on January 16, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
Novak seems an ironic name now.

No Djoking


Visa the jokes folks.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 16, 2022, 03:23:03 PM

On yer bike son.

All bets voided on Djokovic on betfair. 

No?

Surprised at that. But I guess it explains the weird prices that were available.

Funny thing was it dawned on me that was likely to happen as soon as I saw the headline, but I didn't think about it before.  Must be getting slack with my betting thinking.

That does make sense, should have cashed it out earlier when he was on the way to the airporto still trading around 10s


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: doubleup on January 16, 2022, 03:45:31 PM
you wouldn't have won anything by cashing out.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 16, 2022, 06:16:49 PM
you wouldn't have won anything by cashing out.

Would they void settled bets?

Of course they would wouldn't they as they aren't settled, just two traded positions....

Ignore me.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 17, 2022, 07:03:28 AM
Norrie hasn't played well all week in the ATP cup, hoping he can pick himself up before the start of the Open or with or without Novak he ain't winning diddly squat.
Dan Evans has looked on fire all week though.

Norrie hammered overnight, not really a surprise given his form seems to have fallen off a cliff.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 17, 2022, 07:31:54 AM
Yeah Evans has looked the better player this season so far


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 17, 2022, 09:53:04 AM
Yeah Evans has looked the better player this season so far

To be fair Liam Broady and Jack Draper have looked better players so far this season! 

I read he had covid, but no symptoms, so missed some practice.  I don't think that explains all of the tail off, but guess if your game relies heavily on your superior fitness then he would be more affected than most.  Think we can stop talking about top 10 for a while, though guess he hasn't got many points to defend given he didn't do so well last year either.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 18, 2022, 10:30:06 AM
Great win by Murray today, I am going to be a wreck  though


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 18, 2022, 12:59:19 PM
Good to see Raducanu back winning.  She was odds against today, and tonked Stephens in sets 1 and 3.  Set 2 was a bit weird with Stephens playing well and Raducanu a bit cautious.

I looked at the provisional rankings and now everyone has lost last year's Aussie Open points, she is up to 13.   Now if 20 odd was an unrealistic ranking...


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 18, 2022, 03:40:18 PM
i thought she had blown it in the 2nd set but she did get her mojo back in the 3rd looked good out there


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 20, 2022, 11:54:35 AM
I didn't see much this morning, but Raducanu is out.  She seemed a bit out of sorts, but she showed in the last game she can play at a high level.  Just think she needs to keep playing and find her level now.  Think she is still going to get to the top 10.  Watson was no surprise, but a shame about Murray.

Evans and the doubles players left, got £4 on Evans at 940/1.  Wish I'd put more on, but forgot to go back and it seems lots of 999/1 was available.  For those who think this is a bit aftertimey, I had made about a tenner last time I looked.

As an aside, does anyone know why we don't get so many top female doubles players right now?  We have a fair few kicking around the top 200 or so, and a few of the men took that path, and it seems to be working out for them. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 20, 2022, 12:59:35 PM
Emma started brightly today was 3-0 then blistered her hand she wasn't able to put any power into her forehand for the rest of the first set or the 2nd set which she somehow won
then in 3rd set although clearly still hampered she was able to get a few forehands in but wasnt able to finish it off due to the blisters


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 20, 2022, 01:18:38 PM
Emma started brightly today was 3-0 then blistered her hand she wasn't able to put any power into her forehand for the rest of the first set or the 2nd set which she somehow won
then in 3rd set although clearly still hampered she was able to get a few forehands in but wasnt able to finish it off due to the blisters

I didn't see much of it, but she seemed to be a bit weak, so that all makes sense. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 20, 2022, 01:52:55 PM
https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/full/2022/2022fcafc0003 (https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/full/2022/2022fcafc0003)

Djokovic judgement.   Can't help thinking if he had kept his big mouth shut he'd have been fine.   It is his public statements that have done for him and not his vaccination status.

There is an interesting piece near the end where it is explained that the minister only needed to consider if Djokovic's presence in Australia could lead to unrest and their was no obligation to consider if his removal could lead to unrest.   Given there had clearly been unrest, then the minister was reasonable in making that conclusion.  I think that seems to be the crux of it.   Obviously paraphrasing a bit.  It is long and I have read it quickly.   



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 20, 2022, 02:26:52 PM
Emma started brightly today was 3-0 then blistered her hand she wasn't able to put any power into her forehand for the rest of the first set or the 2nd set which she somehow won
then in 3rd set although clearly still hampered she was able to get a few forehands in but wasnt able to finish it off due to the blisters

I didn't see much of it, but she seemed to be a bit weak, so that all makes sense. 

her backhand was sinuating just all she do with the forehand was a slice which was so weak


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 12, 2022, 09:15:12 AM
Looks like Norrie is back competing well.   Won a couple this week, and gave Auger Alliasime a match.  Jack Draper seems to be doing OK too.

Got to love Raducanu just climbing the rankings without even playing.

Sonay Kartal is winning way more than she is losing right now, so maybe she has a decent future, but definitely on the small side.  I don't really follow the juniors enough, but she is playing Talia Neilson Gatenby in the final of the w25 today in Birmingham.  Obviously not paying much attention, as had to google her.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 15, 2022, 09:50:59 AM
Djork  will miss the french and wimbledon if vaccines are required

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-60381046


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 15, 2022, 10:58:07 AM
Djork  will miss the french and wimbledon if vaccines are required

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-60381046

I read that this morning, it is pretty appalling they are giving this headline status and granting him a PR exercise on their biggest channel.  Yeah, sleeping well and eating well are going to improve your "wellness", but I don't see how that relates to vaccinations.   Given the "he has clearly thought deeply" about this spiel attached to the interview, then I really worry about him just parroting the anti-vaccination crap produced by cash per click lowlifes on social media.  Is there going to be any effective challenge, or did they just get an exclusive in exchange for a soft time?

Going to pivot into a defund the BBC crank at this rate.

Anyway, Katie Boulter won her first tournament in an age at the weekend, good to see her back.




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 19, 2022, 10:35:36 PM
Norrie makes the final of the 250 at Delray Beach closing in on the top 10


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 20, 2022, 01:43:49 AM
Norrie makes the final of the 250 at Delray Beach closing in on the top 10

Meh, he doesn't gain a spot even if he wins. 

Would be good to see him, Draper and Kartal all win tomorrow.  Rate Draper is improving he won't need a wild card for Wimbledon, and Kartal is going for two tourneys in a row.     



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 20, 2022, 03:43:59 AM
Yeah no place but gets closer


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 20, 2022, 02:08:47 PM
Yeah no place but gets closer

He could lose a place today which is a bit mad. 

Kartal has just won again, you can watch the crappy comps on the ITF site, but don't expect a commentary.  She has gone from 800 to 400 in a couple of weeks.   Missed that Alastair Gray could win two in a row too, and he is on now.  Don't know much about him, but he is a bit older and been on the US college circuut.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 20, 2022, 02:48:59 PM
Yeah no place but gets closer

He could lose a place today which is a bit mad. 

Kartal has just won again, you can watch the crappy comps on the ITF site, but don't expect a commentary.  She has gone from 800 to 400 in a couple of weeks.   Missed that Alastair Gray could win two in a row too, and he is on now.  Don't know much about him, but he is a bit older and been on the US college circuut.

i heard that before but could never find the right page

will norrie's match be watchable via betfair?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 20, 2022, 02:59:56 PM
Yeah no place but gets closer

He could lose a place today which is a bit mad. 

Kartal has just won again, you can watch the crappy comps on the ITF site, but don't expect a commentary.  She has gone from 800 to 400 in a couple of weeks.   Missed that Alastair Gray could win two in a row too, and he is on now.  Don't know much about him, but he is a bit older and been on the US college circuut.

i heard that before but could never find the right page

will norrie's match be watchable via betfair?

Gray is here:
https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/video.php?vid=32195253 (https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/video.php?vid=32195253)

Think Norrie should be on Amazon, but pretty high chance he is on Betfair if not.  I struggle to keep up, as was expecting to watch the Australian Open on Amazon and it wasn't there.  Whole thing pees me off really as you just end up subscribing for everything.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 20, 2022, 03:07:20 PM
Yeah no place but gets closer

He could lose a place today which is a bit mad. 

Kartal has just won again, you can watch the crappy comps on the ITF site, but don't expect a commentary.  She has gone from 800 to 400 in a couple of weeks.   Missed that Alastair Gray could win two in a row too, and he is on now.  Don't know much about him, but he is a bit older and been on the US college circuut.

i heard that before but could never find the right page

will norrie's match be watchable via betfair?

Gray is here:
https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/video.php?vid=32195253 (https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/video.php?vid=32195253)

Think Norrie should be on Amazon, but pretty high chance he is on Betfair if not.  I struggle to keep up, as was expecting to watch the Australian Open on Amazon and it wasn't there.  Whole thing pees me off really as you just end up subscribing for everything.

No amazon was at Rio this week, this is the list till end of June. Amazon only has the US open of the grandslams discovery/eurosport have the others (bbchas wimbledon)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 20, 2022, 08:47:14 PM
Yeah no place but gets closer

He could lose a place today which is a bit mad. 

Kartal has just won again, you can watch the crappy comps on the ITF site, but don't expect a commentary.  She has gone from 800 to 400 in a couple of weeks.   Missed that Alastair Gray could win two in a row too, and he is on now.  Don't know much about him, but he is a bit older and been on the US college circuut.

i heard that before but could never find the right page

will norrie's match be watchable via betfair?

Gray is here:
https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/video.php?vid=32195253 (https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/video.php?vid=32195253)

Think Norrie should be on Amazon, but pretty high chance he is on Betfair if not.  I struggle to keep up, as was expecting to watch the Australian Open on Amazon and it wasn't there.  Whole thing pees me off really as you just end up subscribing for everything.

No amazon was at Rio this week, this is the list till end of June. Amazon only has the US open of the grandslams discovery/eurosport have the others (bbchas wimbledon)

You can pay another £9.99 a month to watch on tennis TV.  I like tennis,but not enough to pay twice/three times.  Raducanu is scheduled to be on Amazon this week, but guess it could be in the middle of the night.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 20, 2022, 10:05:38 PM
Well, all 4 of them won, should have gone acca crazy.  Think Norrie bossed that a bit despite only winning 7-6, 7-6.   He didn't give up a single break point.  Seems to have got over his hiccup in form


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on February 22, 2022, 07:41:51 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/60477559

Incredible scenes.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 22, 2022, 11:12:35 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/60477559

Incredible scenes.

Must massively screw up the late arrivers from Europe; I never get used to the late finishes when arriving in Vegas for a week at the WSOP and I am not having to run round a tennis court.

It seems a bit of a stretch to early on a Tuesday morning is European prime time.  Most of the matches are in the middle of the night, so the start times can't be aimed at us.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on February 22, 2022, 11:23:09 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/60477559

Incredible scenes.

Must massively screw up the late arrivers from Europe; I never get used to the late finishes when arriving in Vegas for a week at the WSOP and I am not having to run round a tennis court.

It seems a bit of a stretch to early on a Tuesday morning is European prime time.  Most of the matches are in the middle of the night, so the start times can't be aimed at us.



Start times are purely aimed at local weather conditions.  No games start before 6pm local time as i imagine no one would buy tickets to watch at 2pm given the heat.   This was a freaky night all three matches went 3 hours + which is insane


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 23, 2022, 12:43:30 PM
Andy beaten today, Emma stopped after an injury time out.

i wonder what the odds on Andy announcing that Wimbledon would be his last tour event

i can't see him carrying on just to get knocked out 1st and 2nd round week in week out


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on February 23, 2022, 01:16:04 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/60490225

Looks like the jet lag and long match got to Alexander in the end.
I’m not looking forward to the Zverev/Medvedev era


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 23, 2022, 10:59:42 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/60490225

Looks like the jet lag and long match got to Alexander in the end.
I’m not looking forward to the Zverev/Medvedev era

I did think that can't have helped, but there is no excuse.

In the minute before before that he was disputing the line call that looked like it clipped the line.  He was abusing the umpire and calling him a f'in idiot.  Taking into account the alleged previous with his girlfriend that they haven't got round to banning him for yet, then he is looking at a reslly long ban.  He was literally aiming at the umpire's feet with one of those shots and people have been thrown out for accidentally hitting umpires/lie judges.

Good news for Norrie, he is effectively up a place! 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 25, 2022, 08:24:29 AM
Norrie won really well again last night in Mexico, so is in the semi of an ATP500.  Tsitsipas is a better draw than Nadal, but tough from here, so likely remains at 12.  Definitely getting his form back and all these points are going to give him a good chance of top 10 later in the year.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 26, 2022, 07:43:45 AM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 next year?

A win tomorrow and he scrapes into 10th spot


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 28, 2022, 10:40:41 AM
Jack Draper won again yesterday for his third ATP challenger title of the year.  Youngest ever Brit to win 3 (FWIW Murray could have done it younger but move up after 2 wins).  Now in the top 10 under 21s in the World. 

Will be interesting to see what levels Raducanu and him are playing at by the year end. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 07, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
are the men having qualifying for Indian wells this weeks i can see the draw for it on the WTA page starting tonight but nothing on the men's page


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 08, 2022, 08:21:28 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/60490225

Looks like the jet lag and long match got to Alexander in the end.
I’m not looking forward to the Zverev/Medvedev era

I did think that can't have helped, but there is no excuse.

In the minute before before that he was disputing the line call that looked like it clipped the line.  He was abusing the umpire and calling him a f'in idiot.  Taking into account the alleged previous with his girlfriend that they haven't got round to banning him for yet, then he is looking at a reslly long ban.  He was literally aiming at the umpire's feet with one of those shots and people have been thrown out for accidentally hitting umpires/lie judges.

Good news for Norrie, he is effectively up a place! 

Ridiculous lenient punishment for Zverev.  Probation for 12 months with a possible 8 week ban of he is naughty again.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 08, 2022, 08:24:38 AM
are the men having qualifying for Indian wells this weeks i can see the draw for it on the WTA page starting tonight but nothing on the men's page

Assume it was probably just timing, or a slow update, but it is here.

https://bnpparibasopen.com/score-center/draws/ (https://bnpparibasopen.com/score-center/draws/)



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2022, 08:31:56 AM
Yeah seen it this morning


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 08, 2022, 10:13:11 AM
Did you find a stream for the qualifying?  Boulter, Dart and Watson all made it through the first round, so wouldn't mind watching some tonight if I get time.  There are only two qualifying rounds, so win tonight and they are in the main draw.

You can see the main matches on Amazon Prime from tomorrow which is good for me.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2022, 01:05:00 PM
Did you find a stream for the qualifying?  Boulter, Dart and Watson all made it through the first round, so wouldn't mind watching some tonight if I get time.  There are only two qualifying rounds, so win tonight and they are in the main draw.

You can see the main matches on Amazon Prime from tomorrow which is good for me.   

i couldn't find a stream legal or not for the matches yesterday best i could do was watch updates on skybet. looking forward to the main events


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 09, 2022, 07:09:12 AM
The women all got through and Liam broady is in final q tonight


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 09, 2022, 10:30:40 AM
The women all got through and Liam broady is in final q tonight

Yeah, saw that.  Was watching some of it on Betfair tiny screen.  Boulter is looking good again, and not far off she was before her injury.  I left the Watson match thinking she was going to get beat and she came back strong.   Dart looked to be winning easily when I went to bed in the first set...

FWIW Raducanu seems likely to have a fairly tough first match. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 09, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Djork leaving it late again will mess up the seedings if he is forced to withdraw someone is going to get his bye into the 2nd round

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/60673638


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 10, 2022, 12:13:48 AM
The women all got through and Liam broady is in final q tonight

 Was watching some of it on Betfair tiny screen.

broady's match is on skybet live more watchable than the betfair screen still small though


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 10, 2022, 09:36:38 AM
Had gone to bed, but got woken up by my daughter just in time to see the end of Dart's match from last night.   

Which gives me an excuse to do a bit of captain hindsight with this wonderful bit of snark from Dart after losing to Raducanu a couple of years ago. 

https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/sport/harriet-dart-denies-tension-with-emma-raducanu-3669054 (https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/sport/harriet-dart-denies-tension-with-emma-raducanu-3669054)

Raducanu is seven years younger than Dart and the Grand Slam star had a message to the teenager - let’s see what happens when the main tour resumes.

“I’m not going to dwell on this at all. It’s one match and one match doesn’t define you,” she added.

“Your ranking defines where you’re at really, so for me it’s about being able to play back to back matches and survive the week.

“It will be interesting once we get back to the main tour.” (http://Raducanu is seven years younger than Dart and the Grand Slam star had a message to the teenager - let’s see what happens when the main tour resumes.

“I’m not going to dwell on this at all. It’s one match and one match doesn’t define you,” she added.

“Your ranking defines where you’re at really, so for me it’s about being able to play back to back matches and survive the week.

“It will be interesting once we get back to the main tour.”)

Dart is doing very well btw, seems to have improved, and has as climbed the rankings strongly over the last 6 months. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 10, 2022, 12:25:56 PM
katie and heather on UK prime time 7pm start so can watch that and the football at same time and get an early night


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 11, 2022, 09:22:13 PM
i need to buy shares in the co commentator's of the auto biography from the Andy Murray match's

15/15 Daniels had just made an unforced error

"more chance of my autobiography being number 1 in the new york times best seller list than Andy making an Unforced error in the game"

3 unforced errors later Daniels with the game to 15.

good win for Murray though after losing the first set so one sided


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 12, 2022, 02:20:59 AM
i need to remember i can watch matches on prime in the morning i cant stay up till past 2am anymore i'll be a wreck tomorrow


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 12, 2022, 08:23:39 AM
i need to remember i can watch matches on prime in the morning i cant stay up till past 2am anymore i'll be a wreck tomorrow

Know the feeling, got to be up at 7.15 for the kids too.   Managed to catch the last two sets of Dart/Svitolina after poker, thought she showed a lot of spirit, and is more aggressive than she used to be.  Raducanu was evens last night, so thought got to take that, but was 6 tabling and failed to confirm my bet.  Did that not long ago on another "winning" bet, need to learn to bet earlier.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 12, 2022, 09:49:06 AM
i need to remember i can watch matches on prime in the morning i cant stay up till past 2am anymore i'll be a wreck tomorrow

Know the feeling, got to be up at 7.15 for the kids too.   Managed to catch the last two sets of Dart/Svitolina after poker, thought she showed a lot of spirit, and is more aggressive than she used to be.  Raducanu was evens last night, so thought got to take that, but was 6 tabling and failed to confirm my bet.  Did that not long ago on another "winning" bet, need to learn to bet earlier.
dart breaks into top 100 if she wins tomorrow .

Result of Djork pulling out Murray plays the 31st seed next then 33rd in the next round of they both make it. Would take that any day over having to face djork


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 13, 2022, 10:41:44 PM
Don't think Kanepi should be 1.27 vs Harriet Dart.  Like old Harriet Dart could get blown away 6-0 6-1, but think new Harriet Dart is playing really well.  I get Kanepi is in form too, but surely harder to keep stringing good performances together when you are getting older.  Not much harm done laying 1.27 chances anyway.

Any views?

FWIW Got an email from Spreadex this week bringing in restrictions.  I had a long lost account 20 years ago, and that was probably fulll of spew anyway and have had one bet a few months ago on it.  How the heck as that happened? I can't even remember what the bet was, just remember they had a decent price on something.   Maybe it was Darts, which makes it even weirder that they restrict for Cheltenham.     


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2022, 01:53:34 AM
Don't think Kanepi should be 1.27 vs Harriet Dart.  Like old Harriet Dart could get blown away 6-0 6-1, but think new Harriet Dart is playing really well.  I get Kanepi is in form too, but surely harder to keep stringing good performances together when you are getting older.  Not much harm done laying 1.27 chances anyway.

Any views?

FWIW Got an email from Spreadex this week bringing in restrictions.  I had a long lost account 20 years ago, and that was probably fulll of spew anyway and have had one bet a few months ago on it.  How the heck as that happened? I can't even remember what the bet was, just remember they had a decent price on something.   Maybe it was Darts, which makes it even weirder that they restrict for Cheltenham.     

Had a feeling Dart might of turned up today great result will be a tough one against Keys next with keys being on home turf but might get a decent court to play on


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 14, 2022, 10:23:23 AM
Don't think Kanepi should be 1.27 vs Harriet Dart.  Like old Harriet Dart could get blown away 6-0 6-1, but think new Harriet Dart is playing really well.  I get Kanepi is in form too, but surely harder to keep stringing good performances together when you are getting older.  Not much harm done laying 1.27 chances anyway.

Any views?

FWIW Got an email from Spreadex this week bringing in restrictions.  I had a long lost account 20 years ago, and that was probably fulll of spew anyway and have had one bet a few months ago on it.  How the heck as that happened? I can't even remember what the bet was, just remember they had a decent price on something.   Maybe it was Darts, which makes it even weirder that they restrict for Cheltenham.     

Had a feeling Dart might of turned up today great result will be a tough one against Keys next with keys being on home turf but might get a decent court to play on

That feels like the end.  I rate Keys, and she has cracked the top 100 now.  Think she needs one more win to start getting straight through to Grand Slam first rounds.  But think she is going to be there soon regardless as mich of her heavy points scoring has been in the last 3 months.

Tried to watch it last night, but it kept getting pushed back so dropped off with Dart struggling a bit in set 1 and woke up to her well and truly on top.  Sounded like it played out as expected with age/stamina catching up with Kanepi.   She still looks strong and hits hard, but couldn't keep the movement up?   From what I saw of Raducanu it looks pretty energy sapping there even for young ones.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 17, 2022, 10:40:21 AM
Hi Ironside

Good news.  Cameron Norrie goes top 10 if he wins tonight.

Bad News.  He is playing Alcarez, who is surely reaches top 10 in the near future and stays there for years.

Think from Ruud down to Shapovalov there are a group of 6 players fighting for 3 top 10 places.  If Alcarez wins tonight, they will be fighting for just 2 in no time.   



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 17, 2022, 11:06:03 AM
Hi Ironside

Good news.  Cameron Norrie goes top 10 if he wins tonight.

Bad News.  He is playing Alcarez, who is surely reaches top 10 in the near future and stays there for years.

Think from Ruud down to Shapovalov there are a group of 6 players fighting for 3 top 10 places.  If Alcarez wins tonight, they will be fighting for just 2 in no time.   



yeah was looking at that after the match last night, Norrie is looking good but tonight will be a test didn't Alcarez knock him out of US open in first round last year?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 18, 2022, 02:25:20 PM
Raducanu can hold the baton of British number 1 until Hannah Klugman comes of age.

Bump

https://twitter.com/LTACompetitions/status/1504788711577427968?t=47dfv_3gEpZoiINtM7vX5w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/LTACompetitions/status/1504788711577427968?t=47dfv_3gEpZoiINtM7vX5w&s=19)



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 18, 2022, 10:38:13 PM
Any word on brits going for miami? Looks like Katie is out for a month atleast she has pulled out of the Billie Jean King comp with foot injury


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 19, 2022, 12:00:51 AM
Any word on brits going for miami? Looks like Katie is out for a month atleast she has pulled out of the Billie Jean King comp with foot injury

Norrie and Evans seeded.  Draper and Murray are both wild cards.  Not sure how Draper wangled one, but is good to see.

Raducanu said she was playing it a week or so ago and is seeded.  Watson is 2nd alternate, so should get in easily and I assume Dart tries to qualify as she is in the US already? 

I guess there may be a couple of others, as there are a few Brits at University out there.  Should be a good selection anyway.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 19, 2022, 12:28:04 AM
https://www.dartsrankings.com/tennis/miami (https://www.dartsrankings.com/tennis/miami)

I am sure I read this earlier, but Broady is in qualifying, which I had forgotten.  Jay Clarke is in also.

Couldn't find the women's draw.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 20, 2022, 02:09:20 PM
that was some game last night with Alcaraz and Nadal


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 22, 2022, 10:49:14 AM
Just realised that Sinner and Hurkacz have lost a bunch of ranking points, so Norrie is unofficially in the top 10.

To stay there officially, he needs someone above him, or below Alcaraz, to win in Miami.  Fritz and Sinner can also do him by getting to the final if Norrie goes out early.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 22, 2022, 11:07:35 AM
Just realised that Sinner and Hurkacz have lost a bunch of ranking points, so Norrie is unofficially in the top 10.

To stay there officially, he needs someone above him, or below Alcaraz, to win in Miami.  Fritz and Sinner can also do him by getting to the final if Norrie goes out early.

NICE


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 22, 2022, 11:09:55 AM
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Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 22, 2022, 12:25:08 PM
Just realised that Sinner and Hurkacz have lost a bunch of ranking points, so Norrie is unofficially in the top 10.

To stay there officially, he needs someone above him, or below Alcaraz, to win in Miami.  Fritz and Sinner can also do him by getting to the final if Norrie goes out early.

NICE

Hurkacz by Sinner in this last year which explains it. 

Raducanu isn't far off top 10 either, just needs a good run in something like this.   I guess she could just benefit from others losing points like Norrie did as she hasn't any real points to defend until Wimbledon. 

Of course, she will suffer massively from points loss at the US Open.  Swiatek has kicked on impressively from her similar breakthrough, and that is the sort of progress Raducanu should be hoping for. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 22, 2022, 06:07:54 PM
Nadal out for around 6 weeks with stress fracture to the ribs


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on March 22, 2022, 08:31:07 PM
Nadal out for around 6 weeks with stress fracture to the ribs

That'll be no good for the muppets who were all salivating at his 'struggling to breathe' comments.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 23, 2022, 03:32:28 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-60843870

Big shock 25 retiring at the top


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 23, 2022, 08:20:03 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-60843870

Big shock 25 retiring at the top

Sad to see her go, but am not really convinced it is a big shock.  She has left the game before and has spoken about her struggles.  It would be no real surprise to see Osaka follow her. 

I wish her well and hope she finds something worthwhile and fulfilling to fill the gap.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2022, 11:54:22 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/commentisfree/2022/mar/23/ash-barty-redefined-what-sporting-success-looks-like-as-quality-not-quantity

Great article on it.   I'm sure she will go and play another sport to a super high standard because she can and she enjoys it.   Amazing human being.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 23, 2022, 08:21:57 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/commentisfree/2022/mar/23/ash-barty-redefined-what-sporting-success-looks-like-as-quality-not-quantity

Great article on it.   I'm sure she will go and play another sport to a super high standard because she can and she enjoys it.   Amazing human being.

Yeah, think she has life sussed to be fair.  Has worked hard, earned a lot and is just doing what she likes.

Jack Draper has won today and has Norrie next.  Probably not ideal for either, but will be a good test for Draper.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 25, 2022, 11:38:28 AM
Draper/Norrie is scheduled for 3pm today.

Did anyone see the Raducanu match?  She had so many opportunities to win it and so many break points she didn't win.  Was as frustrating a match as I have seen in some time.  Watson seemed to do the opposite, in winning when she looked beaten, but didn't see much of that one as the games clashed.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 25, 2022, 02:13:01 PM
i had both games on plus the Scotland game. I thought the same as you Emma got distracted by the injury but showed flashes

no idea how watson got through that  again


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 31, 2022, 08:55:47 PM
looks like Hurkaz winning the event will stop cam making top 10


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 31, 2022, 10:14:39 PM
looks like Hurkaz winning the event will stop cam making top 10

Yeah, wasn't expecting him to beat Medvedev.  Still 2 tough games to come for Hurkacz.  Likely Alcaraz and Ruud.   Problem is if Alcaraz wins then his top 10 isn't likely to last long!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 31, 2022, 11:32:47 PM
Problem is if Alcaraz wins then his top 10 isn't likely to last long!

he will be top 10 before the end of April

looking at Norrie's last match he might be taking a week of 2 off to recover not sure who and what points people are defending over April but there is 3 1000s before the french lots of points to play for


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 01, 2022, 07:07:39 AM
Problem is if Alcaraz wins then his top 10 isn't likely to last long!

he will be top 10 before the end of April

looking at Norrie's last match he might be taking a week of 2 off to recover not sure who and what points people are defending over April but there is 3 1000s before the french lots of points to play for

Did you see this a couple of days ago.   Would be good to see him win a slam and get to number one before Zverev.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR2D1wOEzl4


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 21, 2022, 12:18:48 PM
Norrie clinging on to that number 10 spot, though not convincingly.  Luckily, Alcaraz seems to be having a little wobble too.

Think Radacanu has a really good draw in Stuttgart.  Two players outside the top 100 to warm up then Swiatek.  So she can get some good practice in on clay, and then hopefully she cam give Swiatek a good game.  Today's oppo is dangerous on clay,  so it isn't a gimme.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 22, 2022, 04:35:58 PM
Barca's seedings is pretty much spot on 7th seed didnt line up but the rest of the top 8 are through  along with the 10th seed

Alcaraz just needs to last 1 more round than Norrie to climb him but Norrie


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 29, 2022, 07:31:50 PM
Jack Draper gets a wild card into Madrid with Andy Murray, must be nice when players in the 40-50 world ranking range are having to go through qualifying


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 30, 2022, 01:01:49 AM
Jack Draper gets a wild card into Madrid with Andy Murray, must be nice when players in the 40-50 world ranking range are having to go through qualifying

Dunno, he has won 4 challengers this  year, they think he is box office and he probably is.  Can't be many with more points than him in the ATP race this year in qualifying?  And who are more promising? They might be wrong, but can see why they are giving him a wild card. 

Also tired of people moaning about Murray wild cards, he'd be top 50 without the injuries and these top 100 journeymen aren't putting bums on seats like he does.  Kyrgios gets wild cards too, because he is box office too.

Can't see any 40-60 players in qualifying that I'd watch over those three. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 01, 2022, 02:47:21 PM
Jack Draper gets a wild card into Madrid with Andy Murray, must be nice when players in the 40-50 world ranking range are having to go through qualifying

Dunno, he has won 4 challengers this  year, they think he is box office and he probably is.  Can't be many with more points than him in the ATP race this year in qualifying?  And who are more promising? They might be wrong, but can see why they are giving him a wild card. 



Was just watching the match and the commentator brought up his wildcard with some Spanish players having the nose out of joint over this but it was explained as the sponsors had the rights to giving out the wildcards not the home nations tennis federation.


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Also tired of people moaning about Murray wild cards, he'd be top 50 without the injuries and these top 100 journeymen aren't putting bums on seats like he does.  Kyrgios gets wild cards too, because he is box office too.

Can't see any 40-60 players in qualifying that I'd watch over those three.
Andy earnt his wildcard to any event he wants to play in the next 10 years. Didn't Ivanisevic get a wild card into wimbledon the year he won and he hadn't nearly as successful a career as Andy in an era without the big 3 players.  Andy was going to miss out the whole of the clay court season but is playing here and Rome but still planning on missing the French.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 02, 2022, 12:51:36 AM
Carnage in Madrid.  If Ons Jabeur gets knocked out tomorrow, then Raducanu will be the highest ranked player left in.  She played really well today too. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 03, 2022, 08:35:18 PM
any word on Edmunds coming back? He is young enough to be able to get back to top 20 i think


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 04, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
any word on Edmunds coming back? He is young enough to be able to get back to top 20 i think

I looked the other day.  Seems like he is getting fit enough by his Instagram, but couldn't see anything reliable on his state of health or comeback dates.   We could have 5 in the top 100 men if he does get back.  Maybe even Broady too?  Don't know how long since we have had 5. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 06, 2022, 08:12:53 PM
I am sure andy had accepted a WC for Rome looks like he has pulled out as not in the draw, Draper hasn't made the qualifying list. Think draper will be on the borderline for getting into Paris with injuries etc he should be the right side of the line not sure when the deadline is i would assume around about the 16th


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 07, 2022, 11:57:56 AM
I am sure andy had accepted a WC for Rome looks like he has pulled out as not in the draw, Draper hasn't made the qualifying list. Think draper will be on the borderline for getting into Paris with injuries etc he should be the right side of the line not sure when the deadline is i would assume around about the 16th

Think he'll have to go through qualifying for Paris.  Same with Heather Watson and Harriet Dart.  Need to be aiming at a ranking of less than 90, and none of them got there.  Many of the injured will rock up fot first round prize money, allegedly.

Should be easier soon enough.  They'll all get wild cards for Wimbledon and Draper can probably wangle Queens Club.  Lots of options for the other two in the UK when grass starts up.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 07, 2022, 10:43:37 PM
I am sure andy had accepted a WC for Rome looks like he has pulled out as not in the draw, Draper hasn't made the qualifying list. Think draper will be on the borderline for getting into Paris with injuries etc he should be the right side of the line not sure when the deadline is i would assume around about the 16th

Think he'll have to go through qualifying for Paris.  Same with Heather Watson and Harriet Dart.  Need to be aiming at a ranking of less than 90, and none of them got there.  Many of the injured will rock up fot first round prize money, allegedly.

Should be easier soon enough.  They'll all get wild cards for Wimbledon and Draper can probably wangle Queens Club.  Lots of options for the other two in the UK when grass starts up.


according to this its top 104 get in
To be one of the 128 players to qualify for a grand slam tournament, a player can go with one of these three options; Being ranked inside the 104 best players in the world in the ATP ranking, by qualifiers or getting a tournament wildcard.

https://tennispredict.com/how-tennis-players-qualifies-for-grand-slams/#:~:text=How%20To%20Qualify%20For%20The%20Qualifiers%3A%20In%20order,are%20128%20players%20qualifying%20for%20the%20grand%20slams.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 08, 2022, 01:07:35 AM
I am sure andy had accepted a WC for Rome looks like he has pulled out as not in the draw, Draper hasn't made the qualifying list. Think draper will be on the borderline for getting into Paris with injuries etc he should be the right side of the line not sure when the deadline is i would assume around about the 16th

Think he'll have to go through qualifying for Paris.  Same with Heather Watson and Harriet Dart.  Need to be aiming at a ranking of less than 90, and none of them got there.  Many of the injured will rock up fot first round prize money, allegedly.

Should be easier soon enough.  They'll all get wild cards for Wimbledon and Draper can probably wangle Queens Club.  Lots of options for the other two in the UK when grass starts up.


according to this its top 104 get in
To be one of the 128 players to qualify for a grand slam tournament, a player can go with one of these three options; Being ranked inside the 104 best players in the world in the ATP ranking, by qualifiers or getting a tournament wildcard.

https://tennispredict.com/how-tennis-players-qualifies-for-grand-slams/#:~:text=How%20To%20Qualify%20For%20The%20Qualifiers%3A%20In%20order,are%20128%20players%20qualifying%20for%20the%20grand%20slams.

Yeah seems that way, I had it in my head it was less than 90, though now think that was Masters tournaments.

Pretty mad how Alcaraz is progressing.  I was thinking I'd take over evens against Djokovic, and they both started around evens.   nHe is 1/2 against Zverev tomorrow, and only behind Nadal for the French Open.  Guess they would be closer if he had a better draw?

If you fancy he can repeat it all on grass, he is 10/1 for Wimbledon. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 08, 2022, 01:31:16 AM
I am sure andy had accepted a WC for Rome looks like he has pulled out as not in the draw, Draper hasn't made the qualifying list. Think draper will be on the borderline for getting into Paris with injuries etc he should be the right side of the line not sure when the deadline is i would assume around about the 16th

Think he'll have to go through qualifying for Paris.  Same with Heather Watson and Harriet Dart.  Need to be aiming at a ranking of less than 90, and none of them got there.  Many of the injured will rock up fot first round prize money, allegedly.

Should be easier soon enough.  They'll all get wild cards for Wimbledon and Draper can probably wangle Queens Club.  Lots of options for the other two in the UK when grass starts up.


according to this its top 104 get in
To be one of the 128 players to qualify for a grand slam tournament, a player can go with one of these three options; Being ranked inside the 104 best players in the world in the ATP ranking, by qualifiers or getting a tournament wildcard.

https://tennispredict.com/how-tennis-players-qualifies-for-grand-slams/#:~:text=How%20To%20Qualify%20For%20The%20Qualifiers%3A%20In%20order,are%20128%20players%20qualifying%20for%20the%20grand%20slams.

Yeah seems that way, I had it in my head it was less than 90, though now think that was Masters tournaments.

Pretty mad how Alcaraz is progressing.  I was thinking I'd take over evens against Djokovic, and they both started around evens.   nHe is 1/2 against Zverev tomorrow, and only behind Nadal for the French Open.  Guess they would be closer if he had a better draw?

If you fancy he can repeat it all on grass, he is 10/1 for Wimbledon. 

he wont break into the top 4 before Paris so will meet a top 4 player in the QF where Nadal wont meet one until SF (though they could possible meet in QF) so Nadal's draw on paper will be easier.
there are a few players in there early 20s coming through now will be good to see the changing of the guard over the next 18 months. Mind you it was 7 years ago camel asked if Nadal would win another major think he won one or 2 since that thread was started. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=65662.0


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 08, 2022, 02:02:47 PM
I am sure andy had accepted a WC for Rome looks like he has pulled out as not in the draw, Draper hasn't made the qualifying list. Think draper will be on the borderline for getting into Paris with injuries etc he should be the right side of the line not sure when the deadline is i would assume around about the 16th

Think he'll have to go through qualifying for Paris.  Same with Heather Watson and Harriet Dart.  Need to be aiming at a ranking of less than 90, and none of them got there.  Many of the injured will rock up fot first round prize money, allegedly.

Should be easier soon enough.  They'll all get wild cards for Wimbledon and Draper can probably wangle Queens Club.  Lots of options for the other two in the UK when grass starts up.


according to this its top 104 get in
To be one of the 128 players to qualify for a grand slam tournament, a player can go with one of these three options; Being ranked inside the 104 best players in the world in the ATP ranking, by qualifiers or getting a tournament wildcard.

https://tennispredict.com/how-tennis-players-qualifies-for-grand-slams/#:~:text=How%20To%20Qualify%20For%20The%20Qualifiers%3A%20In%20order,are%20128%20players%20qualifying%20for%20the%20grand%20slams.

Yeah seems that way, I had it in my head it was less than 90, though now think that was Masters tournaments.

Pretty mad how Alcaraz is progressing.  I was thinking I'd take over evens against Djokovic, and they both started around evens.   nHe is 1/2 against Zverev tomorrow, and only behind Nadal for the French Open.  Guess they would be closer if he had a better draw?

If you fancy he can repeat it all on grass, he is 10/1 for Wimbledon. 

he wont break into the top 4 before Paris so will meet a top 4 player in the QF where Nadal wont meet one until SF (though they could possible meet in QF) so Nadal's draw on paper will be easier.
there are a few players in there early 20s coming through now will be good to see the changing of the guard over the next 18 months. Mind you it was 7 years ago camel asked if Nadal would win another major think he won one or 2 since that thread was started. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=65662.0

Yeah, that was my point on the draw.   Amazing Nadal looked to be gone back then. He is probably holding up better than Djokovic now, and clearly holding up better than Murray and Federer.  Djokovic seems to have made a big mistake with his vax stance, as it is already May and he probably isn't near his normal level.  Can't be long now for them all now tho.

Sonay Kartal just won another W25.  She has gone from 800+ to near 300 in no time this year.   She should be on for a wild card at Wimbledon with that progress? 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 11, 2022, 01:11:39 AM
any word on Edmunds coming back? He is young enough to be able to get back to top 20 i think

I looked the other day.  Seems like he is getting fit enough by his Instagram, but couldn't see anything reliable on his state of health or comeback dates.   We could have 5 in the top 100 men if he does get back.  Maybe even Broady too?  Don't know how long since we have had 5. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61396349


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 15, 2022, 11:35:07 PM
qualifiers for the french start tomorrow, think Watson, Dart and Draper all got it with there rankings taken a few weeks ago. Potapova is in the Qualifiers despite being ranked 79 she had a win end of April so seems to fit.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 16, 2022, 09:35:44 AM
qualifiers for the french start tomorrow, think Watson, Dart and Draper all got it with there rankings taken a few weeks ago. Potapova is in the Qualifiers despite being ranked 79 she had a win end of April so seems to fit.

Good stuff. 

I saw Donna Vekic in the qualifiers which surprised me as I thought she was ranked higher.  Just checked, and she is above Dart and Watson, so assume she timed her run of form badly.

Sonay Kartal won again at the weekend.  She has won 4 ITF w25s this season, and only lost 2 matches.  Her game isn't near the level of Radacanu's, but she is on fire.  You'd give her a Wimbledon wild card above some higher ranked Brits bimbling about the 200s?  A couple of those might be in for a nasty surprise if Watson and Dart can't stay where they are in the rankings and take two wild cards. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 16, 2022, 12:43:15 PM
i think Kartal should easy get a wildcard as would Jones (just a year older and inside top 200) i am sure a few years ago the LTA said they would be limiting the number of wildcards the journeymen brits would get in there careers as some players seasons were paid for by wimbledon 1st round wildcard each year and also the upper age bracket a wildcard could be (somewhere in mid 20s)



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 16, 2022, 12:44:14 PM
PS just seen Robson officially retire i didnt realise she was only 28 seems to have been out of the game for years though


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 16, 2022, 12:59:35 PM
PS just seen Robson officially retire i didnt realise she was only 28 seems to have been out of the game for years though

Aw, I knew she was still young, but have seen her hoping to come back over the years. Guess she has been missing 5 years now, so understandable. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 16, 2022, 02:16:24 PM
Jack Draper isn't playing the French Open after all; injured.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 16, 2022, 02:29:53 PM
Jack Draper isn't playing the French Open after all; injured.

nae good bu grass starting soon hopefully he will be fit


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 18, 2022, 09:27:24 PM
BBC totally confusing me saying 6 brits in the main draw then only naming 5

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The defeats mean there will be no more Britons joining the six already in the Roland Garros main draw.

World number 11 Cameron Norrie is the top-ranked Briton in the French Open main draw.

He is joined by Dan Evans in the men's draw, with Emma Raducanu, Heather Watson and Harriet Dart competing in the women's competition.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61495385


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 18, 2022, 11:41:16 PM
BBC totally confusing me saying 6 brits in the main draw then only naming 5

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The defeats mean there will be no more Britons joining the six already in the Roland Garros main draw.

World number 11 Cameron Norrie is the top-ranked Briton in the French Open main draw.

He is joined by Dan Evans in the men's draw, with Emma Raducanu, Heather Watson and Harriet Dart competing in the women's competition.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61495385

Assume it is expanding on something written before qualifying and before Draper pulled out.  Whoever wrote it has remembered to remove Draper from the article, but not changed the number.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 20, 2022, 12:57:20 PM
if draw goes to seeding Nadal meets Djork in QF and Alcarz in SF could effect the odds for all 3 players, Being in the bottom half of the draw would be nice if i was NEother player


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 20, 2022, 02:34:46 PM
if draw goes to seeding Nadal meets Djork in QF and Alcarz in SF could effect the odds for all 3 players, Being in the bottom half of the draw would be nice if i was NEother player

Apologies have looked on the phone, so may be wrong.

... Norrie is due to meet Alcaraz again, this time in the last 16. 

Raducanu is due to meet Ons Jabeur at the same point.  Bit unlucky as she is probably 2nd on form to Swiatek recently.   That whole quarter is stuffed with decent players.  Osaka, Andreescu, Raducanu, Kerber, Kvitova, Jabeur, Anisimova, Sakkari and Fernandez.   Think if she wins 3 easier games and gives Jabeur a game that will be a good result for her.  Anything better is clearly very good, as all games are likely tough from then.  Though am sure she won't satisfy the critics. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 20, 2022, 03:31:56 PM
if draw goes to seeding Nadal meets Djork in QF and Alcarz in SF could effect the odds for all 3 players, Being in the bottom half of the draw would be nice if i was NEother player

Apologies have looked on the phone, so may be wrong.

... Norrie is due to meet Alcaraz again, this time in the last 16. 

Raducanu is due to meet Ons Jabeur at the same point.  Bit unlucky as she is probably 2nd on form to Swiatek recently.   That whole quarter is stuffed with decent players.  Osaka, Andreescu, Raducanu, Kerber, Kvitova, Jabeur, Anisimova, Sakkari and Fernandez.   Think if she wins 3 easier games and gives Jabeur a game that will be a good result for her.  Anything better is clearly very good, as all games are likely tough from then.  Though am sure she won't satisfy the critics. 



if heather can cause a couple of upsets then she can meet emma in 3rd round not expecting it but anything is possible in the early rounds


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 20, 2022, 10:22:22 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

wimbledon will lose its ranking points


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 21, 2022, 09:23:35 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

wimbledon will lose its ranking points

I think removing the players was harsh, but this is harsh too.  Feels wrong to not give someone the chance to defend their ranking points and some players are just better on grass.   

Brits shooting themselves in the foot as they will disproportionately be affected as Wimbledon is a good opportunity for points for them, and they are usually better on grass than clay.   But they still get a lot of cash for round one so won't suffer too much.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 22, 2022, 09:19:08 PM
if draw goes to seeding Nadal meets Djork in QF and Alcarz in SF could effect the odds for all 3 players, Being in the bottom half of the draw would be nice if i was NEother player

Apologies have looked on the phone, so may be wrong.

... Norrie is due to meet Alcaraz again, this time in the last 16. 

Raducanu is due to meet Ons Jabeur someone else at the same point.  Bit unlucky as she is probably 2nd on form to Swiatek recently.   That whole quarter is stuffed with decent players.  Osaka, Andreescu, Raducanu, Kerber, Kvitova, Jabeur, Anisimova, Sakkari and Fernandez.   Think if she wins 3 easier games and gives Jabeur someone else a game that will be a good result for her.  Anything better is clearly very good, as all games are likely tough from then.  Though am sure she won't satisfy the critics. 



FYP


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 22, 2022, 09:29:45 PM
if draw goes to seeding Nadal meets Djork in QF and Alcarz in SF could effect the odds for all 3 players, Being in the bottom half of the draw would be nice if i was NEother player

Apologies have looked on the phone, so may be wrong.

... Norrie is due to meet Alcaraz again, this time in the last 16. 

Raducanu is due to meet Ons Jabeur someone else at the same point.  Bit unlucky as she is probably 2nd on form to Swiatek recently.   That whole quarter is stuffed with decent players.  Osaka, Andreescu, Raducanu, Kerber, Kvitova, Jabeur, Anisimova, Sakkari and Fernandez.   Think if she wins 3 easier games and gives Jabeur someone else a game that will be a good result for her.  Anything better is clearly very good, as all games are likely tough from then.  Though am sure she won't satisfy the critics. 



FMP
FYP :-)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 23, 2022, 07:35:20 PM
emma moves into the top 10 at least until the next round


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 23, 2022, 07:49:23 PM
emma moves into the top 10 at least until the next round

Ha, didn't realise that.  She had a tough game today, it even rained quite a bit in set 1.  Think Noskova goes pretty far, only 17 and has got game already.  Kerber struggling right now, which must be good for Raducanu to go further. 

Norrie and Evans both won easily earlier.

Was Betfair small screen really glitchy for anyone else today?  Kept having to restart the feed.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 25, 2022, 12:23:09 PM

Was Betfair small screen really glitchy for anyone else today?  Kept having to restart the feed.



trying to watch Norrie on it just now its unwatchable


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 30, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
BBC showing centre court of the challenger event in Surbiton today. Andy top seed and Broady v Clarke the highlights for brits


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 04, 2022, 09:03:59 PM
Hey Ironside, do you know what is happening here?

https://www.lta.org.uk/fan-zone/viking-open-nottingham/news/dart-jones-and-boulter-receive-wildcards/ (https://www.lta.org.uk/fan-zone/viking-open-nottingham/news/dart-jones-and-boulter-receive-wildcards/)

Boulter was in the first group of wild cards, but played qualifying today.  Kartal and Burrage are lower ranked, were later wild cards, yet are still in the main draw.

I assume Boulter must want playing time or something?  Can't see anything else making sense. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 04, 2022, 09:21:45 PM
burrage was in the semi today so missed the chance of Qualifying Kartal would of gotten it on her form this year, Jones isnt in the draw (presume injury pullout) hadn't see the wild card list so no idea you sure it wasnt last years list? she is number 7 seed in the qualifying.


Nottingham (BBC has the men's and ladies Prime just the ladies) Stuttgart and the Netherlands on TV next week should be good


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 04, 2022, 11:13:02 PM
burrage was in the semi today so missed the chance of Qualifying Kartal would of gotten it on her form this year, Jones isnt in the draw (presume injury pullout) hadn't see the wild card list so no idea you sure it wasnt last years list? she is number 7 seed in the qualifying.


Nottingham (BBC has the men's and ladies Prime just the ladies) Stuttgart and the Netherlands on TV next week should be good

Ha, that is a 2021 story, you are right.  Was sure I had seen her on the wildcard list, so must have just read that earlier. 

Burrage is lucky, she has been bang average for a while, and got through the last round on an injury to her oppoment. To be fair, she beat someone ranked higher earlier.   I used to like her, but don't think she deserves a wild card over Boulter, who is only where she is because of injury (Burrage also had an injury last year, but it wasn't as long lasting as Boulter's.  Kartal definitely deserves it, as she has done brilliantly this year.  Hopefully, they'll all make round 1, and Burrage can take advantage of this opportunity.




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 05, 2022, 12:23:44 AM
yeah burrage would of likely been in the qualifiers if it wasnt fr her semi this week stopped her being able to play them but i am not sure when the cut off was made. normally its the night before the start of the qualifiers that the draws made not sure about the wildcards though


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 05, 2022, 08:07:53 AM
yeah burrage would of likely been in the qualifiers if it wasnt fr her semi this week stopped her being able to play them but i am not sure when the cut off was made. normally its the night before the start of the qualifiers that the draws made not sure about the wildcards though

Wild cards were announced on Friday.  Cut off before wild cards was ranked 135, Boulter is 136 on provisional rankings.   There were only 2 wild cards available after making space for Raducanu and Sakkari, which half explains it. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 05, 2022, 06:21:26 PM
yeah Evans and Emma  both needing wild cards late putting there names down? i Know Emma said a few weeks back she was going to play Nottingham


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 05, 2022, 06:38:41 PM
yeah Evans and Emma  both needing wild cards late putting there names down? i Know Emma said a few weeks back she was going to play Nottingham

She said a couple of weeks ago she was starting at Edgbaston.   Think the early exit in France led to the change of plans.  And Nottingham aren't saying no, given she is going to add significantly to the box office.   Presumably Evans is similar?  Got tickets for next Saturday so all good news for me, was looking underwhelming after Ons Jabeur pulled out.  If we can get Murray and Radacanu playing, it will be a right result. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 05, 2022, 08:53:30 PM
Norrie was down to play Stuttgart but is not in the draw now (unless i missed him)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 06, 2022, 03:32:41 PM
Norrie is back to 10th and unless Berritini or Hurkacz win in Stuttgart he will remain there but they are the 2 and 3 seed


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 06, 2022, 04:38:57 PM
Norrie is back to 10th and unless Berritini or Hurkacz win in Stuttgart he will remain there but they are the 2 and 3 seed

Ooh, Raducanu gets 10th if she wins only 3 matches in Nottingham.   Unfortunately she hasn't done that since the US Open.  This is softer than the ones she has been playing, and she should be better away from clay.  Wonder if this was part of her thinking? 

Even if she gets there, I don't know if she loses the top 10 when the Wimbledon points drop out and don't have the enthusiasm to work it out.  Obviously an enormous ask to retain her ranking after the US Open.  Think she'll be doing OK if she stays in the seeds for Australia.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 06, 2022, 05:38:39 PM
It will all depend on what happens over the next 3 weeks she loses 130 points from wimbledon but so does Muguraz


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 07, 2022, 01:31:32 PM
It will all depend on what happens over the next 3 weeks she loses 130 points from wimbledon but so does Muguraz

Well, Raducanu has just retired in Nottingham.  Pulled something when 2-1 up in the first.   She has the physio on three times.  She is running out of time to put points on, as she was only a out 70 in the race last time I looked.

Kartal went out earlier too.  Seemed a tough ask facing the World number 23 on WTA debut, she only did as well as she did as her opponent seemed out of sorts and kept making unforced errors.

Given Murray went to Stuttgart instead, we won't be seeing him on Saturday.    Come on Evans, Boulter and the rest.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 07, 2022, 03:06:10 PM
LOL i was wondering why you had mentioned Murray yeah Norrie him and Draper were all in the Stuttgart draw i first saw Norrie and Draper (back in top 100 without playing) both look like they pulled out


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 10, 2022, 04:19:06 PM
Murray looking great today vs Tsitsipas! Was probably going to be at the tourney in Stuttgart but instead I am isolating with Covid :(

At least I feel fine and I can watch the streams. Will be really interesting if he plays Nick K tomorrow.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 10, 2022, 08:07:44 PM
Murray looking great today vs Tsitsipas! Was probably going to be at the tourney in Stuttgart but instead I am isolating with Covid :(

At least I feel fine and I can watch the streams. Will be really interesting if he plays Nick K tomorrow.

what stream were you watching? tomorrows match should be good. A Murray win puts him back inside the top 50


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 11, 2022, 01:07:58 PM
Murray looking great today vs Tsitsipas! Was probably going to be at the tourney in Stuttgart but instead I am isolating with Covid :(

At least I feel fine and I can watch the streams. Will be really interesting if he plays Nick K tomorrow.

what stream were you watching? tomorrows match should be good. A Murray win puts him back inside the top 50

It is on bet365 and some other bookies. Sky, betfair, Paddy? No commentary though.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 11, 2022, 01:12:58 PM
Murray looking great today vs Tsitsipas! Was probably going to be at the tourney in Stuttgart but instead I am isolating with Covid :(

At least I feel fine and I can watch the streams. Will be really interesting if he plays Nick K tomorrow.

what stream were you watching? tomorrows match should be good. A Murray win puts him back inside the top 50

It is on bet365 and some other bookies. Sky, betfair, Paddy? No commentary though.

no worries screen is too small to watch bit of a pain


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 11, 2022, 04:17:40 PM
A win tomorrow and back into the top 40 for Andy


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 13, 2022, 04:00:49 PM
A couple of things.  Saw Dan Evans win yesterday which was good.  I was impressed with Haddad Maia in the women's.  She beat Riske more comprehensively than the scoreline suggests.  She seemed to be the victim of two bad calls that made the difference between 2-1 and 0-3 at the start of set 2, and seemed to lose it a bit after.  She got another couple of bad ones later, but they didn't matter so much.   Will see her draw for Wimbledon, but definitely on the watch list.  She also won the doubles after, but missed that as whingey kids weren't so keen on staying.

Just had Draper on in the background, and he tonked Taylor Fritz.  Must be a decent chance he is ahead of Raducanu/Murray/Evans in the rankings at the end of the year?

Also liked the look of Dart, seen a couple of her recent games and she is steadily getting better.  Don't think she gets past Radacanu, but seems above Watson right now.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 13, 2022, 05:36:06 PM
A couple of things.  Saw Dan Evans win yesterday which was good.  I was impressed with Haddad Maia in the women's.  She beat Riske more comprehensively than the scoreline suggests.  She seemed to be the victim of two bad calls that made the difference between 2-1 and 0-3 at the start of set 2, and seemed to lose it a bit after.  She got another couple of bad ones later, but they didn't matter so much.   Will see her draw for Wimbledon, but definitely on the watch list.  She also won the doubles after, but missed that as whingey kids weren't so keen on staying.

Just had Draper on in the background, and he tonked Taylor Fritz.  Must be a decent chance he is ahead of Raducanu/Murray/Evans in the rankings at the end of the year?

Also liked the look of Dart, seen a couple of her recent games and she is steadily getting better.  Don't think she gets past Radacanu, but seems above Watson right now.

Emma loses around 150 points at wimbledon then defends 2000 at the US open drops her down to around 800 points, Dart is closing in on 650 points after today. Emma will still get into any event she wants and dart will have to Qualify but if Emma doesn't start winning back to back games soon then Dart will be competing with her for GB number 1 both around 80 in world. Draper was awesome today.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 14, 2022, 04:36:43 PM
Wimbledon wild cards announced today

https://www.wimbledon.com/pdf/Championships_2022_WildCards.pdf

5 brits in both mens  Broady, Clarke, Gray Jubb and Peniston , and ladies Boulter Burrage, Kartal, Miyazaki and Swan.

presuming Draper, Watson and Dart are all high enough to get in without the card.

Alongside Van Rijthoven and Wawrinka in the men's and Serena in the ladies


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on June 14, 2022, 04:40:26 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 15, 2022, 10:32:47 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.

Yeah, saw that.  Gives an interesting insight into the background.  She seems to have mellowed a bit too.   

I don't know Ryan Peniston's back story, so no real idea why he is developing so late (think he is 26?).  He is another who has had a good season, rising 200 points or so and won his first ATP level match vs the top seed.  He was all over him from the little bits I saw in amongst work and Ascot. 

Think we are in a really good place with British tennis.  Having a significant increase in local tournaments seems to be working better than where they were spending money before.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 15, 2022, 11:03:36 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.

Yeah, saw that.  Gives an interesting insight into the background.  She seems to have mellowed a bit too.   

I don't know Ryan Peniston's back story, so no real idea why he is developing so late (think he is 26?).  He is another who has had a good season, rising 200 points or so and won his first ATP level match vs the top seed.  He was all over him from the little bits I saw in amongst work and Ascot. 

Think we are in a really good place with British tennis.  Having a significant increase in local tournaments seems to be working better than where they were spending money before.

Ryan Peniston background info here.  Seems he hasn't had an easy journey to where he is.

https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/ (https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/)



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 16, 2022, 07:02:19 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.

Yeah, saw that.  Gives an interesting insight into the background.  She seems to have mellowed a bit too.   

I don't know Ryan Peniston's back story, so no real idea why he is developing so late (think he is 26?).  He is another who has had a good season, rising 200 points or so and won his first ATP level match vs the top seed.  He was all over him from the little bits I saw in amongst work and Ascot. 

Think we are in a really good place with British tennis.  Having a significant increase in local tournaments seems to be working better than where they were spending money before.

Ryan Peniston background info here.  Seems he hasn't had an easy journey to where he is.

https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/ (https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/)



Talking to myself a bit, but Peniston just won again, so is through to the quarters.   

Haddad Maia is 200/1 with Unibet for Wimbledon.  Wasn't even in the prices on betfair. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 18, 2022, 10:04:03 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.

Yeah, saw that.  Gives an interesting insight into the background.  She seems to have mellowed a bit too.   

I don't know Ryan Peniston's back story, so no real idea why he is developing so late (think he is 26?).  He is another who has had a good season, rising 200 points or so and won his first ATP level match vs the top seed.  He was all over him from the little bits I saw in amongst work and Ascot. 

Think we are in a really good place with British tennis.  Having a significant increase in local tournaments seems to be working better than where they were spending money before.

Ryan Peniston background info here.  Seems he hasn't had an easy journey to where he is.

https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/ (https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/)



Talking to myself a bit, but Peniston just won again, so is through to the quarters.   

Haddad Maia is 200/1 with Unibet for Wimbledon.  Wasn't even in the prices on betfair. 

She has appeared on Betfair now; 50 to 150.

True story.  Have had more bets on Haddad Maia this week than on Ascot.  Just been busy at work and haven't had the time for it.  My quietest Ascot in many years.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 19, 2022, 01:36:08 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.

Yeah, saw that.  Gives an interesting insight into the background.  She seems to have mellowed a bit too.   

I don't know Ryan Peniston's back story, so no real idea why he is developing so late (think he is 26?).  He is another who has had a good season, rising 200 points or so and won his first ATP level match vs the top seed.  He was all over him from the little bits I saw in amongst work and Ascot. 

Think we are in a really good place with British tennis.  Having a significant increase in local tournaments seems to be working better than where they were spending money before.

Ryan Peniston background info here.  Seems he hasn't had an easy journey to where he is.

https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/ (https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/)



Talking to myself a bit, but Peniston just won again, so is through to the quarters.   

Haddad Maia is 200/1 with Unibet for Wimbledon.  Wasn't even in the prices on betfair. 

She has appeared on Betfair now; 50 to 150.

True story.  Have had more bets on Haddad Maia this week than on Ascot.  Just been busy at work and haven't had the time for it.  My quietest Ascot in many years.

And she wins again.  Laid Halep at 1.46.  It was a very good match, lots of swings and swongs?

Is anyone else following this? Haddad Maia thinks there is just one grass court in Brazil.  Before last week she was something like 2-5 in games on grass.  Now she has 3 finals (including doubles) and 2 wins already.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 19, 2022, 04:11:39 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.

Yeah, saw that.  Gives an interesting insight into the background.  She seems to have mellowed a bit too.   

I don't know Ryan Peniston's back story, so no real idea why he is developing so late (think he is 26?).  He is another who has had a good season, rising 200 points or so and won his first ATP level match vs the top seed.  He was all over him from the little bits I saw in amongst work and Ascot. 

Think we are in a really good place with British tennis.  Having a significant increase in local tournaments seems to be working better than where they were spending money before.

Ryan Peniston background info here.  Seems he hasn't had an easy journey to where he is.

https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/ (https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/)



Talking to myself a bit, but Peniston just won again, so is through to the quarters.   

Haddad Maia is 200/1 with Unibet for Wimbledon.  Wasn't even in the prices on betfair. 

She has appeared on Betfair now; 50 to 150.

True story.  Have had more bets on Haddad Maia this week than on Ascot.  Just been busy at work and haven't had the time for it.  My quietest Ascot in many years.

And she wins again.  Laid Halep at 1.46.  It was a very good match, lots of swings and swongs?

Is anyone else following this? Haddad Maia thinks there is just one grass court in Brazil.  Before last week she was something like 2-5 in games on grass.  Now she has 3 finals (including doubles) and 2 wins already.   

Tennis trends and stats betting in the mud.  Last week her first ever WTA title, today her second. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 19, 2022, 10:12:55 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61788365

Interesting Dart read.

Yeah, saw that.  Gives an interesting insight into the background.  She seems to have mellowed a bit too.   

I don't know Ryan Peniston's back story, so no real idea why he is developing so late (think he is 26?).  He is another who has had a good season, rising 200 points or so and won his first ATP level match vs the top seed.  He was all over him from the little bits I saw in amongst work and Ascot. 

Think we are in a really good place with British tennis.  Having a significant increase in local tournaments seems to be working better than where they were spending money before.

Ryan Peniston background info here.  Seems he hasn't had an easy journey to where he is.

https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/ (https://eu.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2018/05/10/ryan-peniston-best-memphis-tennis-player-more-than-40-years-and-cancer-survior/593774002/)



Talking to myself a bit, but Peniston just won again, so is through to the quarters.   

Haddad Maia is 200/1 with Unibet for Wimbledon.  Wasn't even in the prices on betfair. 

It isn't like the glory days of tips for tikay anymore where prices used to be gone in 10 minutes, but she is now best price 56/1 for Wimbledon.   That is 888 sport, so barely a price and someone is asking for 40/1 on Betfair.   Hope someone got the 200s.  Pokerstars just offered me 2p at 40/1 (seriously).   

Have done fine over the last week or so.  Thank goodness for match betting on Betfair.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on June 21, 2022, 01:05:26 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/21/wimbledon-big-data-fan-experience-tennis

Shock horror it has taken Wimbledon decades to realise most of their elitist social climbing punters never watch tennis the rest of the year!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 21, 2022, 07:03:19 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/21/wimbledon-big-data-fan-experience-tennis

Shock horror it has taken Wimbledon decades to realise most of their elitist social climbing punters never watch tennis the rest of the year!

Suspect Royal Ascot will give them a stiff challenge.  To be fair, even Cheltenham is getting that way.

Think we'll probably just go to Nottingham again next year.  You can choose your day, choose your seats, don't have to queue from 5am and it isn't mad expensive.   And I have easily got my money back from backing Haddad Maia afterwards...



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 21, 2022, 08:37:52 PM
Miaia v Burrage 3rd match on centre court tomorrow


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 21, 2022, 09:38:34 PM
Miaia v Burrage 3rd match on centre court tomorrow

Much as Burrage has impressed with her improvement, she is likely to really strugle vs that power.   Good luck to her though.  Her and Boulter have well and truly shown it was the right decision to give her a wildcard over Heather Watson. 

Easy trivia?  Boulter, Burrage and Peniston have all done something in the last couple of weeks that Raducanu has never done in her career.   What is it? 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 21, 2022, 09:42:30 PM
beaten a top 10 player


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 21, 2022, 09:57:03 PM
beaten a top 10 player

10/10


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 22, 2022, 01:27:23 PM
current form everyone injury free who would be in your Davis cup and Billie Jean King cup teams?

Assuming you have to take Skupski and Salisbury with Evans Norrie and Draper for the men but do you play the double specialists together?

In the Women there are no real standouts in the doubles and would you play Emma in the singles? And would Watson get in the squad if she made herself available


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 22, 2022, 04:14:55 PM
current form everyone injury free who would be in your Davis cup and Billie Jean King cup teams?

Assuming you have to take Skupski and Salisbury with Evans Norrie and Draper for the men but do you play the double specialists together?

In the Women there are no real standouts in the doubles and would you play Emma in the singles? And would Watson get in the squad if she made herself available


I wouldn't take Watson, she just seems out of form and doesn't seem confident.  Think Raducanu and Dart seem obvious, and Boulter played really well in it the one before her injury, so would put her in if Raducanu injured. Watson plays a few doubles matches, so maybe there is a place for her there with Dart? 

Think Evans, Norrie and Drapar are obvious for men with Peniston reserve.  Don't follow doubles enough, but we seem to have loads of solid options in men's doubles.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 22, 2022, 04:57:46 PM
Miaia v Burrage 3rd match on centre court tomorrow

Much as Burrage has impressed with her improvement, she is likely to really strugle vs that power.   Good luck to her though.  Her and Boulter have well and truly shown it was the right decision to give her a wildcard over Heather Watson. 

Easy trivia?  Boulter, Burrage and Peniston have all done something in the last couple of weeks that Raducanu has never done in her career.   What is it? 

Today's Haddad Maia post.

She was the first woman to win both Nottingham and Edgbaston WTAs in the same season.  If she wins Eastbourne, that would be pretty hard to match, and there is nobody in the draw playing better.  Smiled a bit when the commentator suggested Burrage might be tired after her week, when she is playing someone who hasn't really had a break for 2.5 weeks. 

I read in a preview that she is already on the most grass wins in a row at this level since Serena Williams in 2015 (or similar).  Don't know how true it is, but seems plausible. 

1.01 her and Swiatek meet in the last 32 at Wimbledon. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 22, 2022, 05:07:06 PM
current form everyone injury free who would be in your Davis cup and Billie Jean King cup teams?

Assuming you have to take Skupski and Salisbury with Evans Norrie and Draper for the men but do you play the double specialists together?

In the Women there are no real standouts in the doubles and would you play Emma in the singles? And would Watson get in the squad if she made herself available

As an aside to this, do you think Murray could play? I just think he is going to be limiting his games too much, but he doesn't need the money anymore, is inlikely to win a slam, so should be more interested in the glory of this?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 22, 2022, 05:44:00 PM
current form everyone injury free who would be in your Davis cup and Billie Jean King cup teams?

Assuming you have to take Skupski and Salisbury with Evans Norrie and Draper for the men but do you play the double specialists together?

In the Women there are no real standouts in the doubles and would you play Emma in the singles? And would Watson get in the squad if she made herself available

As an aside to this, do you think Murray could play? I just think he is going to be limiting his games too much, but he doesn't need the money anymore, is inlikely to win a slam, so should be more interested in the glory of this?

think Andy wants te youngsters to come through so might come along but not in squad jamie is desperate for mens wimbledon dbls title think this will be his last shot at it though both brothers have said they would like to play together once at wimbledon

in the doubles we have world number 1 and 8 in Salisbury and Skupski and Jamie just outside top 20 but they don't really fit as pairings think Jamie and Skupski tried it on tour for a few months Skupski and Salisbury Teamed up for Davis cup last year not sure about the ATP cup

i actually love the format of doubles nowadays with 40-40 next point is winner


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 24, 2022, 12:31:32 AM
Kyle Edmund is possibly playing mixed doubles next week at Wimbledon.

https://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2022-06-22/around_the_grounds_big_names_out_in_force.html (https://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2022-06-22/around_the_grounds_big_names_out_in_force.html)


British tennis fans will be pleased to hear Kyle Edmund is back on the road to recovery after a second knee surgery and was spotted returning from Aorangi alongside coach Colin Beecher.

Many will remember Edmund’s run to the last four at the 2018 Australian Open before those knee problems forced him off the Tour.

The 27-year-old plans to play the mixed doubles at The Championships this year – it would be his first match of any kind since late 2020 – before playing on the Challenger Tour and a potential return to Grand Slam singles action in New York in late August.





Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 24, 2022, 12:45:34 AM
i am assuming he still has a protected ranking that will  get him into some bigger events after he has warmed up in some challenger tour events in-fact he will likely even need invites into the challenger events this he is about 400 in world at moment


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 24, 2022, 01:10:33 AM
i am assuming he still has a protected ranking that will  get him into some bigger events after he has warmed up in some challenger tour events in-fact he will likely even need invites into the challenger events this he is about 400 in world at moment

Think if he plays a couple of challengers on his protected ranking and plays well, he can then play a couple more on his new ranking and not waste his protected ranking on too many challenger events.  Assume he'll get a few wildcards from UK events too, so his ranking won't be so low for long.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on June 24, 2022, 04:22:13 PM
Dan evans graph on bf is worth a look for a laugh.  Someone has fat fingered ages ago and got nearly a grand on him at EVENS! to lift the trophy.   Might be able to  break  even cashing  out 2-0  up  in the final 2 weeks on  sunday.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on June 24, 2022, 08:10:12 PM
Can't help but keep an eye on the Canadian players....

Bianca Andreescu had a knee operation after an injury in 2021. She's only just started playing tournaments this year after a long layoff. Nonetheless, she's playing the final of the WTA Bad Homburg Open on grass on Sunday. Yes, she got a walkover vs Simona Halep, but she's hot favourite for the final against Garcia tomorrow. She's not dropped a set in her three matches (Swann and Kasatkina were two of her opponents), and I think she's currently overpriced at 22/1 foe Wimbledon. If she wins tomorrow, that price will be gone.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/article/canadas-bianca-andreescu-in-bad-homburg-final-after-halep-withdraws/


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 26, 2022, 08:50:23 PM
Can't help but keep an eye on the Canadian players....

Bianca Andreescu had a knee operation after an injury in 2021. She's only just started playing tournaments this year after a long layoff. Nonetheless, she's playing the final of the WTA Bad Homburg Open on grass on Sunday. Yes, she got a walkover vs Simona Halep, but she's hot favourite for the final against Garcia tomorrow. She's not dropped a set in her three matches (Swann and Kasatkina were two of her opponents), and I think she's currently overpriced at 22/1 foe Wimbledon. If she wins tomorrow, that price will be gone.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/article/canadas-bianca-andreescu-in-bad-homburg-final-after-halep-withdraws/

She was a great player, but seems to have lost her way a bit up until last week.  Hasn't got beyond the first round at Wimbledon and never won on grass.  Not sure Swan is much of a test.  I'd expect her to do better this time, but wouldn't want to be taking 22/1, but you can get 33/1.

Raducanu has had a bit of a bad draw.   I think of her as a top 30/40 player who got lucky right now.  She doesn't want to be playing someone of about that level who is bang in form on grass.  Hope she wins, but isn't favourite and shouldn't be.  I fear for the pasting she is going to get if she loses on social media.   Don't know if I'll be up to watch it, guess it depends on how long today's PLO8 lasts. 

I assume it is on TV here, but sports I have watched include coyote shooting (seriously wtf?)  and air hockey.  btw the girl who was shooting live coyotes was massively excited to kill a couple, and let the viewers know how beautiful they were after killing them.  Now if they were squirrels or cats I could be persuaded...  Am kind of hopeful that there is a conservation reason for killing coyotes, but didn't hang round to find out.  Flicked over to watch some big upping of Putin on Fox News.  Wish I'd bought my laptop... am such a mug.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 26, 2022, 09:40:10 PM
Can't help but keep an eye on the Canadian players....

Bianca Andreescu had a knee operation after an injury in 2021. She's only just started playing tournaments this year after a long layoff. Nonetheless, she's playing the final of the WTA Bad Homburg Open on grass on Sunday. Yes, she got a walkover vs Simona Halep, but she's hot favourite for the final against Garcia tomorrow. She's not dropped a set in her three matches (Swann and Kasatkina were two of her opponents), and I think she's currently overpriced at 22/1 foe Wimbledon. If she wins tomorrow, that price will be gone.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/article/canadas-bianca-andreescu-in-bad-homburg-final-after-halep-withdraws/

She was a great player, but seems to have lost her way a bit up until last week.  Hasn't got beyond the first round at Wimbledon and never won on grass.  Not sure Swan is much of a test.  I'd expect her to do better this time, but wouldn't want to be taking 22/1, but you can get 33/1.

Raducanu has had a bit of a bad draw.   I think of her as a top 30/40 player who got lucky right now.  She doesn't want to be playing someone of about that level who is bang in form on grass.  Hope she wins, but isn't favourite and shouldn't be.  I fear for the pasting she is going to get if she loses on social media.   Don't know if I'll be up to watch it, guess it depends on how long today's PLO8 lasts. 

I assume it is on TV here, but sports I have watched include coyote shooting (seriously wtf?)  and air hockey.  btw the girl who was shooting live coyotes was massively excited to kill a couple, and let the viewers know how beautiful they were after killing them.  Now if they were squirrels or cats I could be persuaded...  Am kind of hopeful that there is a conservation reason for killing coyotes, but didn't hang round to find out.  Flicked over to watch some big upping of Putin on Fox News.  Wish I'd bought my laptop... am such a mug.



vpn to the UK and all the courts are on BBC sport


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 27, 2022, 11:46:57 AM
wow Novak down to 7 in world after wimbledon points come off

Emma moves back into the top 10
Jack Draper gains 7 places to 87th getting closer to the automatic places for the 1000 events


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 27, 2022, 01:05:52 PM
bet against Radacanu today. Her opponent is a very savvy grass player who has some good form this year.

Hope Murray can play without getting injured and make it to the QF vs Novak, but I always worry all those 4 and 5 setters can catch up with him.

Looking forward to watching some matches!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 27, 2022, 11:02:35 PM
Can't help but keep an eye on the Canadian players....

Bianca Andreescu had a knee operation after an injury in 2021. She's only just started playing tournaments this year after a long layoff. Nonetheless, she's playing the final of the WTA Bad Homburg Open on grass on Sunday. Yes, she got a walkover vs Simona Halep, but she's hot favourite for the final against Garcia tomorrow. She's not dropped a set in her three matches (Swann and Kasatkina were two of her opponents), and I think she's currently overpriced at 22/1 foe Wimbledon. If she wins tomorrow, that price will be gone.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/article/canadas-bianca-andreescu-in-bad-homburg-final-after-halep-withdraws/

She was a great player, but seems to have lost her way a bit up until last week.  Hasn't got beyond the first round at Wimbledon and never won on grass.  Not sure Swan is much of a test.  I'd expect her to do better this time, but wouldn't want to be taking 22/1, but you can get 33/1.

Raducanu has had a bit of a bad draw.   I think of her as a top 30/40 player who got lucky right now.  She doesn't want to be playing someone of about that level who is bang in form on grass.  Hope she wins, but isn't favourite and shouldn't be.  I fear for the pasting she is going to get if she loses on social media.   Don't know if I'll be up to watch it, guess it depends on how long today's PLO8 lasts. 

I assume it is on TV here, but sports I have watched include coyote shooting (seriously wtf?)  and air hockey.  btw the girl who was shooting live coyotes was massively excited to kill a couple, and let the viewers know how beautiful they were after killing them.  Now if they were squirrels or cats I could be persuaded...  Am kind of hopeful that there is a conservation reason for killing coyotes, but didn't hang round to find out.  Flicked over to watch some big upping of Putin on Fox News.  Wish I'd bought my laptop... am such a mug.



vpn to the UK and all the courts are on BBC sport

Am just giving VPNs a miss.  I play a lot of poker and don't want any sites finding it and banning me.  US coverage is a bit hyperactive.   Got up early this morning for Radacanu, and there she was, but watching it is like me at my worst with a remote when several sports are on, they just flick to another match and back whenever something happens.  So was really watching Radacanu, Kerber, Alcaraz and Hurkacz all at the same time. 

Interesting comment after them saying their could have been a shock in the Radacanu match; she was 6/4 against today.  She seems a way off her best, but seemed gutsy enough. 

For those interested in the Sportsman channel.  Today they were shooting deer and mountain goats.  Mountain goats won this round, with the hunters just getting wet and miserable; more of the same please.  I know I should avoid it, but it is just in the block with the regular sports channels.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 28, 2022, 10:25:16 PM
If anyone had told me last month i would enjoy a 3 hour woman's tennis match between a player outside the top 100 and another outside the top 1000 i would said they were mad

what a game


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 30, 2022, 06:06:56 PM
Wimbledon shaping up nicely for Brits

Boulter playing Tan in next round both of them outside the top 100
Watson playing someone outside the top 60

Norrie's draw has opened up and is top seed all the way to the Semi
Draper plays tonight winner plays Broady for a place in the last 16

and Edmunds should be on court tomorrow in the mixed


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: RED-DOG on July 01, 2022, 08:28:56 AM
If anyone had told me last month i would enjoy a 3 hour woman's tennis match between a player outside the top 100 and another outside the top 1000 i would said they were mad

what a game


Top level sport +  tanned young women in short skirts sweating and cavorting about, who are you and what have you done with the real Ironside? 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 01, 2022, 02:57:38 PM
Wimbledon shaping up nicely for Brits

Boulter playing Tan in next round both of them outside the top 100
Watson playing someone outside the top 60

Norrie's draw has opened up and is top seed all the way to the Semi
Draper plays tonight winner plays Broady for a place in the last 16

and Edmunds should be on court tomorrow in the mixed

Just woke up to see Watson win.  Really good to see her back in form again.  Boulter was fantastic too, especially in the circumstances.  Those ranking points would have made a huge difference to both.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 01, 2022, 04:00:23 PM
did you see broady's win yesterday after losing 11 games in a row?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on July 01, 2022, 04:02:51 PM
Wimbledon shaping up nicely for Brits

Boulter playing Tan in next round both of them outside the top 100
Watson playing someone outside the top 60

Norrie's draw has opened up and is top seed all the way to the Semi
Draper plays tonight winner plays Broady for a place in the last 16

and Edmunds should be on court tomorrow in the mixed

Just woke up to see Watson win.  Really good to see her back in form again.  Boulter was fantastic too, especially in the circumstances.  Those ranking points would have made a huge difference to both.

what a year for the brits to get no rankings points in the biggest edge a jobbing brit has on tour.   Imagine heather got to semis of this and still 100 in the world!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 01, 2022, 04:15:09 PM
did you see broady's win yesterday after losing 11 games in a row?

I didn't see it all, he is playing a part time Brit in the next round too.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 01, 2022, 04:28:51 PM
Wimbledon shaping up nicely for Brits

Boulter playing Tan in next round both of them outside the top 100
Watson playing someone outside the top 60

Norrie's draw has opened up and is top seed all the way to the Semi
Draper plays tonight winner plays Broady for a place in the last 16

and Edmunds should be on court tomorrow in the mixed

Just woke up to see Watson win.  Really good to see her back in form again.  Boulter was fantastic too, especially in the circumstances.  Those ranking points would have made a huge difference to both.

what a year for the brits to get no rankings points in the biggest edge a jobbing brit has on tour.   Imagine heather got to semis of this and still 100 in the world!

LTA Definitely shot themselves in the foot if one of their aims is to get up the Brit rankings.   Raducanu and Norrie aren't badly affected, it is the likes of Broady, Watson and Boulter who are going to suffer.   

Think it is harsh to call them jobbing Brits, as barring Watson, most of them were having good years/grass seasons.  I remember getting up to Wimbledon after work on a Monday and Tueday in week 1 just because they were the only days you could be sure to see Brits play.  They were genuine jobbing Brits back in those days and it was a major shock to see any of the women in round 2.  You'd just be hoping they didn't get completely tonked.

I remember posting something about maybe getting 5 Brits in the top 100 men when Edmund came back.  The rate it is going, we could get 6 or 7.  Not seen anything like that for decades.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 02, 2022, 10:37:54 AM
https://twitter.com/tangledtennis/status/1543136238424981507?t=jj4UN6gNXEEc7pYFPBjT5w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/tangledtennis/status/1543136238424981507?t=jj4UN6gNXEEc7pYFPBjT5w&s=19)

:)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 02, 2022, 11:28:45 PM
New entry to the top 10 tennis handshakes.  Junior Wimbledon.

https://twitter.com/TheBoiledEgg/status/1543299230546071553?t=Uou1p9tht0X0zigAlDskhg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/TheBoiledEgg/status/1543299230546071553?t=Uou1p9tht0X0zigAlDskhg&s=19)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on July 03, 2022, 03:14:39 PM
genuine question can jobber heather say she got to the 'second week' when she got beat on Sunday under the new lawns format?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 03, 2022, 04:03:50 PM
depends if you would say someone playing a last 32 match on the Monday in years gone by in a rain effected Wimbledon had made the 2nd week or not

i would say if you make the last 16 on a Sunday you made the 2nd week but if you play in last 32 on a Monday you haven't


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 03, 2022, 06:18:01 PM
In my head it is still week 1. I don't really think anything else makes sense as it runs Monday wk 1 to Sunday wk 2.  Having two Sundays in week 2 is just wrong.  Also think you can say this is still week 1 of the Championship. 

I am prepared to concede that you could claim this is week 2 of the Ladies tournament, still think week 1 is right though.  I assume nobody is including qualifying, as it never counted in the past.  Also middle Sunday in the past was more correctly called week 1, as it was only ever used to catch up on week 1 games (I think).

Don't think it matters too much, as last 16 is a much better line to draw than week 1/week 2.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on July 05, 2022, 07:25:04 PM
Cameron Norrie - what a player. Just Djoko in the next round though. I would just love it if he could beat him....


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 06, 2022, 08:54:51 AM
Heard Sue Barker saying that yesterday was the biggest win of Norrie's career, surely Indian Wells caps that?  Maybe you can claim it if he beats Djokovic?

Meanwhile BBC talking about him flying under the radar.  You could say that with Raducanu, but he has won how many ATP tournaments? 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 06, 2022, 01:16:32 PM

Meanwhile BBC talking about him flying under the radar.  You could say that with Raducanu, but he has won how many ATP tournaments? 

outside of tennis watchers who in the UK has really heard of him?
Emma came out of the blue  Wimbledon last year where most Brits get there tennis from, then went on to the US Open

The win at Indian Wells was bigger in tennis circles but more of the UK public would of seen and heard of the result yesterday than the Indian Wells win and "after all there is only 5 tennis events a year" the 4 slams and the davis cup


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 07, 2022, 08:36:40 PM
Nadal pulls out of the semi

Djork Kyrios in the final who will the fans want to lose more?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 08, 2022, 02:09:11 PM
Nadal pulls out of the semi

Djork Kyrios in the final who will the fans want to lose more?

I'd like Kyrgios of those two, though both can be dislikeable at times. He has such talent that he should be ranked higher, and think it would be such a Kyrgios thing to win this when there are no ranking points on offer.

Think 12/1 is good on Norrie.  Think Djokovic isn't near enough peak for that to be right.  Hope he at least gives him a game anyway.   


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on July 09, 2022, 07:04:54 PM
Bitter-sweet kudos to whoever it was that put up Rybakina as a live longshot for Wimbledon a couple of years back.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: The Camel on July 11, 2022, 12:22:29 AM
Bitter-sweet kudos to whoever it was that put up Rybakina as a live longshot for Wimbledon a couple of years back.

It was Bergeroo putting up Magdaléna Rybáriková not Rybakina


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: The Camel on July 11, 2022, 12:24:41 AM
Fkn hell I'm posting like it's 2005


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: RED-DOG on July 11, 2022, 09:41:37 AM
Fkn hell I'm posting like it's 2005


Lol.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 20, 2022, 11:03:52 AM
https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1549508101732171777?t=9LvkTnnxF9juEYrj6zM7dQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1549508101732171777?t=9LvkTnnxF9juEYrj6zM7dQ&s=19)

Looks like Kyle Edmund is going to be back very soon


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 22, 2022, 05:32:38 PM
think the European team for the Laver cup needs a little more experience :-)

 https://lavercup.com/news/2022/07/22/novak-djokovic-joins-dream-lineup-for-team-europe-at-laver-cup-2022

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/62262153


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 25, 2022, 08:57:02 PM
Edmonds made it through qualifying at Winnipeg ATP looks like they are showing the matches on there website so might get a chance to see him in action tomorrow


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 25, 2022, 10:27:56 PM
Edmonds made it through qualifying at Winnipeg ATP looks like they are showing the matches on there website so might get a chance to see him in action tomorrow

Oh good stuff.  I assume he didn't have to use his protected ranking to play there given he was in the qualifiers for a challenger tournament.  Can't say I'll be tuning in, as quite enjoying watching the lionesses, though suspect you won't have the same enthusiasm.  Don't think there is a time up yet, so might get lucky.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 25, 2022, 10:43:31 PM
Edmonds made it through qualifying at Winnipeg ATP looks like they are showing the matches on there website so might get a chance to see him in action tomorrow

Oh good stuff.  I assume he didn't have to use his protected ranking to play there given he was in the qualifiers for a challenger tournament.  Can't say I'll be tuning in, as quite enjoying watching the lionesses, though suspect you won't have the same enthusiasm.  Don't think there is a time up yet, so might get lucky.
no he was seeded (8th) in the qualifiers so presuming his ranking was good enough though his live rankings has him dropping 41 points and 203 spots this week 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 25, 2022, 10:45:46 PM
PS is it bad had too google what you were on about with the lionesses? nothing to do with ABE just i haven't seen a match all summer


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 25, 2022, 11:03:43 PM
PS is it bad had too google what you were on about with the lionesses? nothing to do with ABE just i haven't seen a match all summer

I don't think the standard is too bad at all, and England don't play negatively.  First game was a bit crap, but enjoyed the rest.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 26, 2022, 08:26:17 PM
PS is it bad had too google what you were on about with the lionesses? nothing to do with ABE just i haven't seen a match all summer

I don't think the standard is too bad at all, and England don't play negatively.  First game was a bit crap, but enjoyed the rest.

when i say a match my team Aberdeen have been live on TV with there opening cup games of the season i just haven't turned on the football, i think the 1 game at a time during Covid so spread over 15 hours of something daft turned me off the game.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 27, 2022, 02:10:31 PM
edmunds jumps 60 paces with his win last night, plays a fellow qualifier tonight


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 11, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Raducanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?

Need to bump this for Heather Watson.

Raducanu is about to leave the top 10, and Draper about to make the top 50, meaning there could be 4 British men there.  Must be odds on he is ahead of Raducanu in the rankings after the US Open?  Burrage isn't far off the top 100 either after a shaky year last year.   Didn't mention Dart here, so the Women's side aren't doing too bad, though the men are stronger right now.

Brings me on to Draper, Evans and Norrie all in round 3 in Montreal.  Think Draper definitely has a winnable game next.  Let's go.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 11, 2022, 11:00:30 PM
Sod the Brits, Haddad Maia has just done Swiatek in 3 hours.

So good


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 12, 2022, 09:22:17 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/54349009)

"I don't see who's next," Watson said.

"I feel like we've got a good little group of players right now, but little. I don't see who's going to be top 50.


This feels a bit harsh; before her injury, Katie Boulter had gone ahead of Watson in the rankings, was playing really well and had a very good chance of getting to the top 50.  It feels like this is just trolling her. 

As mentioned, Jack Draper has a very good chance of top 50, and I would be surprised if Raducanu doesn't make it.  Jodie Burrage has struggled with injuries too, but could make top 100.  I would love to see Francesca Jones make it too given what she has overcome.  One good year could see one of a handful of others make it to the top 100 who are in the 200s or so. 

The French Open has clearly been a bit of a shambles for Brits, but not sure I'd write off the future yet.  It isn't like there was a golden period in the recent past when we have had better than we have now.  Having the Murray brothers and Konta is the exception rather than the norm.   I grew up watching a bunch of bang average wild cards getting dumped out of Wimbledon by the second day. 

So are we really in bad shape?

Need to bump this for Heather Watson.

Raducanu is about to leave the top 10, and Draper about to make the top 50, meaning there could be 4 British men there.  Must be odds on he is ahead of Raducanu in the rankings after the US Open?  Burrage isn't far off the top 100 either after a shaky year last year.   Didn't mention Dart here, so the Women's side aren't doing too bad, though the men are stronger right now.

Brings me on to Draper, Evans and Norrie all in round 3 in Montreal.  Think Draper definitely has a winnable game next.  Let's go.

and Evans and Draper through.  That Evans match was a right roller coaster.  Didn't see the Norrie and Draper matches as they all clashed with each other and Haddad Maia.  Draper now one win from the top 50, and think he has another winnable match next. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on August 12, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
what a chance for one of the eight left to properly fly up the rankings with 1000 points.   If Nick K wins he would effectively be in the top 10 in the world if Wimbledon was a ranking event.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 12, 2022, 03:09:09 PM
what a chance for one of the eight left to properly fly up the rankings with 1000 points.   If Nick K wins he would effectively be in the top 10 in the world if Wimbledon was a ranking event.

Think Kyrgios is basically a top 10 player already when at the top of his game.  Loses too many games through losing his mind, but seens to have that more under control this year.  He is still losing it, but not quite so destructively.

Could be a Evans/Draper semi; they are definitely in the best half of the draw.  Draper because Evans is there, and Draper because Evans is there... Can't be long beford Draper is getting flack for sometimes not winning :/



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 12, 2022, 03:15:01 PM
Can't be long beford Draper is getting flack for sometimes not winning :/


  sunday if he loses i will be giving him a mouthfull :-)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 12, 2022, 05:26:31 PM
Draper's ranking meant he had to go through quailies this week supposing he wants to play next week his ranking taken on the entry date would mean he would have to do the same, IF he wins tonight you think he will be offered a wildcard o just have to take the week off?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 13, 2022, 07:16:28 AM
Draper's ranking meant he had to go through quailies this week supposing he wants to play next week his ranking taken on the entry date would mean he would have to do the same, IF he wins tonight you think he will be offered a wildcard o just have to take the week off?

Well he isn't in the qualifiers.  They had one wild card left 4 days ago, and think Djokovic was still in at that stage, so don't know if they will have added another.  Think it is fine to have a week off though.

Did you see Raducanu has got Serena in the first round?  Think she definitely needs to remember how to hit winners.  She can't be bimbling the ball back down the middle and needs to be moving her round.

In other news Evo and Haddad Maia are through.  Haddad Maia beat Pliskova last time.  Looks like it will be evens both (she was a generous 2/1 vs Bencic), will still be backing Haddad Maia though.  Think the 200/1 for a slam days are long over!   I haven't checked but assume she is still bigger than Raducanu for the US open?

Edit.  just checked, she isn't even quoted on oddschecker, though Raducanu is out to 50/1 now.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on August 13, 2022, 12:28:23 PM
I guess Nick needs a break. He has done great recently though. Not sure he is maturing, just he is managing to win more so there is less room for self desctruction, but maybe I am wrong!

Andy Murray only has a wild card for qualies this week!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 13, 2022, 01:55:31 PM


Andy Murray only has a wild card for qualies this week!

yeah he could of gotten into the quailies without it if he had applied earlier guessing he wanted some more game time after the early defeat this week. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 13, 2022, 10:29:02 PM
Andy Murray been upgraded to main draw wild card


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 15, 2022, 04:38:01 PM
current form everyone injury free who would be in your Davis cup and Billie Jean King cup teams?

Assuming you have to take Skupski and Salisbury with Evans Norrie and Draper for the men but do you play the double specialists together?

In the Women there are no real standouts in the doubles and would you play Emma in the singles? And would Watson get in the squad if she made herself available


I wouldn't take Watson, she just seems out of form and doesn't seem confident.  Think Raducanu and Dart seem obvious, and Boulter played really well in it the one before her injury, so would put her in if Raducanu injured. Watson plays a few doubles matches, so maybe there is a place for her there with Dart? 

Think Evans, Norrie and Drapar are obvious for men with Peniston reserve.  Don't follow doubles enough, but we seem to have loads of solid options in men's doubles.


Dan, Cameron, Andy and Joe are in between Draper and Skupski for the 5th spot


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 15, 2022, 08:30:54 PM
current form everyone injury free who would be in your Davis cup and Billie Jean King cup teams?

Assuming you have to take Skupski and Salisbury with Evans Norrie and Draper for the men but do you play the double specialists together?

In the Women there are no real standouts in the doubles and would you play Emma in the singles? And would Watson get in the squad if she made herself available


I wouldn't take Watson, she just seems out of form and doesn't seem confident.  Think Raducanu and Dart seem obvious, and Boulter played really well in it the one before her injury, so would put her in if Raducanu injured. Watson plays a few doubles matches, so maybe there is a place for her there with Dart? 

Think Evans, Norrie and Drapar are obvious for men with Peniston reserve.  Don't follow doubles enough, but we seem to have loads of solid options in men's doubles.


Dan, Cameron, Andy and Joe are in between Draper and Skupski for the 5th spot


Think Murray is way more likely than Draper to sell tickets in Scotland, and more likely to ensure a partisan crowd, so maybe I am cool with it. 

You'd start with Evans and Norrie and two doubles specialists rather than drafting Murray in the doubles?   Skupski is 4 in the World, so it would be mad to not play him?    Given Evans recent form, you'd want to put him in before Murray too?   Suppose that there are going to be lots of games if we do well, so Murray offers a good switch in either singles or doubles.  You'd be less confident in Draper playing doubles.

Think I'd still pick Draper, as he is the future, but think there are many reasons why they have gone with Murray.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 25, 2022, 08:18:24 PM
not a great opening round for Emma in her defence Cornet


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 26, 2022, 09:18:22 AM
not a great opening round for Emma in her defence Cornet

Then it isn't so bad until the last 16, assuming Osaka isn't the force of old?  Think she wouldn't be too unhappy.

Kyle Edmund has run bad, a couple of easier games would have made a lot of difference to his ranking.  Harriet Dart ran bad too.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 29, 2022, 11:08:39 PM
LIVE RANKINGS

4 GB men in the top 50

Emma R 79
Harriot D 80

Norrie needs to make last 8 to climb Novak, which is where he is seeded

wish i could stay up to watch draper tonight i think it could be a good match


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 29, 2022, 11:10:00 PM
not a great opening round for Emma in her defence Cornet

Then it isn't so bad until the last 16, assuming Osaka isn't the force of old?  Think she wouldn't be too unhappy.

Kyle Edmund has run bad, a couple of easier games would have made a lot of difference to his ranking.  Harriet Dart ran bad too.

Dart just won, having looked like she was going out after a couple of games in Set 3.  

Raducanu has to win vs Cornet now, or she is in danger of losing her GB number one spot.  She isn't a big favourite either, think it was like 4/5 or 8/11 yesterday when I looked, given it is provisional 79 vs provisional 36.  Sure it will be painted as a big shock if she loses.  Think she must need to get last 16 to get close to top 50 and needs to do way better to be seeded in Australia.  Despite this, pretty sure I'd take evens she'll be seeded for this next year.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 31, 2022, 11:52:07 AM
not a great opening round for Emma in her defence Cornet

Then it isn't so bad until the last 16, assuming Osaka isn't the force of old?  Think she wouldn't be too unhappy.

Kyle Edmund has run bad, a couple of easier games would have made a lot of difference to his ranking.  Harriet Dart ran bad too.

Dart just won, having looked like she was going out after a couple of games in Set 3.  

Raducanu has to win vs Cornet now, or she is in danger of losing her GB number one spot.  She isn't a big favourite either, think it was like 4/5 or 8/11 yesterday when I looked, given it is provisional 79 vs provisional 36.  Sure it will be painted as a big shock if she loses.  Think she must need to get last 16 to get close to top 50 and needs to do way better to be seeded in Australia.  Despite this, pretty sure I'd take evens she'll be seeded for this next year.

Actually woke up and watched Raducanu from 2-4 down.  She had a few plasters on and was really struggling with blisters again. Cornet was a bit up and down, but hit some glorious drop shots.  It was pretty close, but barring some terrible double faults, Cornet looked better throughout.  Raducanu is getting some of her game back and am sure she'll be fine next year. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 31, 2022, 12:29:05 PM
yeah i went to sleep with match she was showing some good signs missed the ending but atleast now she can get a proper tennis education having to go through qualifying etc


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 31, 2022, 02:58:34 PM
yeah i went to sleep with match she was showing some good signs missed the ending but atleast now she can get a proper tennis education having to go through qualifying etc

So we probably saw the whole match between us?   She'll be automatic for grand slams on this ranking and might be better playing a few 125s to get confidence rather than 1000s anyway?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 31, 2022, 03:29:31 PM
yeah i went to sleep with match she was showing some good signs missed the ending but atleast now she can get a proper tennis education having to go through qualifying etc

So we probably saw the whole match between us?   She'll be automatic for grand slams on this ranking and might be better playing a few 125s to get confidence rather than 1000s anyway?

yeah thats what i am thinking a few wins and getting experience rather than playing top 50 players week in week out and not being able to play more than 1 or 2 matches


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 01, 2022, 06:56:48 AM
Had to get up early, so missed last night's matches, but great result by Draper overnight beating Felix Auger-Aliassime.  My betting record on him is pretty terrible, no money on him again when he has won despite going on about him here for ages.   Seem to have done the opposite on Raducanu despite her bad 12 months.

Also Serena beating Kontaveit was pretty surprising, and makes Raducanu's recent win against her look better.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 03, 2022, 06:39:41 PM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 next year?

could he make the top 5 next year? 20 points behind Novak

can draper make top 20 next year?

Who will be GB woman number 1 end of next year?

these questions and more can be answered with your first purchase of a DeLorean time machine


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 04, 2022, 09:03:55 AM
Norrie in the final of the 250 in San Diego tonight, a win will get him on the verge of top 20. Is he good enough to break into top 10 next year?

could he make the top 5 next year? 20 points behind Novak

can draper make top 20 next year?

Who will be GB woman number 1 end of next year?

these questions and more can be answered with your first purchase of a DeLorean time machine

I think Raducanu is clearly better than Dart, so would say Raducanu is long odds on.

Draper is going to be top 32 soon enough just playing at his current level.  This happens because he is going to be playing higher in the coming months than he was 12 months ago.  Think I'd go for top 20 more likely than not.

Think Norrie could make top 5, but is clearly a worse player than Djokovic, Nadal, Medvedev and Alcaraz.  I don't think Djokovic will be banned from the US next year, and assume he gets in Australia too.  Think you can probably add Ruud to the list that is better than Norrie, and Sinner is probably going to improve past him.  I think Tsitipas and Zverev are a bit flakey, so could fall below him.  Think Norrie has to run really good in a slam to get there (like Final at least).  Nadal could struggle with injury again, or Djokovic could come back worse/remain banned.  I think top 5 is less likely than not.

So in order of likelihood.

Raducanu top UK.
Draper top 20.
Norrie top 5.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 04, 2022, 11:41:31 AM
Take away Nadal and Djorkovic, Norrie is at 27 of Everyone down to Busta at 14. Does look like the changing of the guard


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 05, 2022, 12:24:20 PM
Norrie is aged 27, and if you take away Nadal and Djorkovic, everyone down to Busta at 14 is younger than him. Does look like the changing of the guard

FYP as it took me a while to understand.

Quite fancy old man Cilic at 4/1+ vs Alcaraz.  It is just a price thing, as I am still a big Alcaraz fan.

I thought Nadal was going to disappear a couple of years ago, think it is safe to say that he has defied expectations.  Also, a bit early to write off Djokovic, as there is little sign he can't still compete at the highest level once the vaccine mandates go.

 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 05, 2022, 12:35:49 PM
Norrie is aged 27, and if you take away Nadal and Djorkovic, everyone down to Busta at 14 is younger than him. Does look like the changing of the guard

FYP as it took me a while to understand

 

i rewrote it about a dozen time to try and get the point across and still failed lol


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 06, 2022, 09:32:55 AM
Changing of the guard seems to be happening ironside.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/62802845 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/62802845)

Cilic seems to have fallen into the decent value bin.  It was way too late for me to watch, but looks like it was pretty even.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 06, 2022, 12:44:23 PM
Changing of the guard seems to be happening ironside.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/62802845 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/62802845)

Cilic seems to have fallen into the decent value bin.  It was way too late for me to watch, but looks like it was pretty even.

i can't see anyone over 30 breaking into the top 10 anytime soon Nadal can remain there. Novak needs COVID restrictions to be lifted and his ban from Australia for Visa infraction revoked.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 09, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
Skopski got the 5th place in the team, would be shocking to not see him there seeing as he is playing Sailsbury just now winning is worlds number 1 loser number 3 (there partners will be number 2)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 10, 2022, 02:09:22 PM
Having spent the last 2 weeks reading Djokovic fans moaning about how the tournament was nothing without him, I think it us fitting that both the men's and women's tournaments are going to have the number 1 and 2 in the World after they finish. 

Really think Alcaraz is a bigger draw than Djokovic right now regardless of who is better.  Also Swiatek has well and truly filled the hole left by Ash Barty. 

FWIW would love to see Ruud win, having read some disparaging comments about him having never won anything big.  He has clearly had a big 12 months regardless. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2022, 07:07:18 PM
Is the davis cup on the BBC this week can't find details of any tv coverage


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: marcro on September 14, 2022, 11:01:55 AM
Is the davis cup on the BBC this week can't find details of any tv coverage

It's on BBC iPlayer.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 14, 2022, 11:23:57 AM
Is the davis cup on the BBC this week can't find details of any tv coverage

It's on BBC iPlayer.

thanks it wasn't announced till late evening yesterday.
i Always thought Eurosport had it in the past


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 15, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Federer is retiring after the Laver cup


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 18, 2022, 12:08:41 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Katie Swan made it to the semi fomal of the WTA in Chennai.  It was a pretty soft field for a 250, but this is still her best result.  I thought she might give up the game a couple of years ago as she seemed to be struggling with the tour, but that result puts her above Watson, Boulter and Burrage.  She had been in decent form before this winning a 60k not long ago too.   She is still young so could still get quite a bit higher. 

I did mean to watch it after dinner, but she had retired before I saw a shot.  She looked pretty decent in the quarter final, but probably not at the level Raducanu and Dart can play.   3rd in the UK looks about right. 

Don't know what to make of the Davis Cup.  I queried picking Murray at the time, and it looks a bad selection now.  Though having said that, all games looked close barring one of Norrie's.

Guess we could get smashed up in the Billie Jean Cup, but think we have a few players who could outplay their rankings this time. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 18, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Katie Swan made it to the semi fomal of the WTA in Chennai.  It was a pretty soft field for a 250, but this is still her best result.  I thought she might give up the game a couple of years ago as she seemed to be struggling with the tour, but that result puts her above Watson, Boulter and Burrage.  She had been in decent form before this winning a 60k not long ago too.   She is still young so could still get quite a bit higher. 

I did mean to watch it after dinner, but she had retired before I saw a shot.  She looked pretty decent in the quarter final, but probably not at the level Raducanu and Dart can play.   3rd in the UK looks about right. 

Don't know what to make of the Davis Cup.  I queried picking Murray at the time, and it looks a bad selection now.  Though having said that, all games looked close barring one of Norrie's.

Guess we could get smashed up in the Billie Jean Cup, but think we have a few players who could outplay their rankings this time. 



yeah watched Katie all week, (keep eye on all Brits on Amazon as mum loves watching them rather than the big names) was looking forward to the game last night and even though she was 3-0 down she looked like she was competing having break points in both service games against her..

Billie Jean Cup i am hoping they pick the team of Barnett and Nicholls been watching them a bit this year since when they were still outside the top ~200 and was a good win the week before the USA

think they will go with Dart Watson in the doubles or might even put Emma in there but i think putting in a made team who are both ranked in the top 80 would be a good move.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 18, 2022, 03:03:52 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Katie Swan made it to the semi fomal of the WTA in Chennai.  It was a pretty soft field for a 250, but this is still her best result.  I thought she might give up the game a couple of years ago as she seemed to be struggling with the tour, but that result puts her above Watson, Boulter and Burrage.  She had been in decent form before this winning a 60k not long ago too.   She is still young so could still get quite a bit higher. 

I did mean to watch it after dinner, but she had retired before I saw a shot.  She looked pretty decent in the quarter final, but probably not at the level Raducanu and Dart can play.   3rd in the UK looks about right. 

Don't know what to make of the Davis Cup.  I queried picking Murray at the time, and it looks a bad selection now.  Though having said that, all games looked close barring one of Norrie's.

Guess we could get smashed up in the Billie Jean Cup, but think we have a few players who could outplay their rankings this time. 



yeah watched Katie all week, (keep eye on all Brits on Amazon as mum loves watching them rather than the big names) was looking forward to the game last night and even though she was 3-0 down she looked like she was competing having break points in both service games against her..

Billie Jean Cup i am hoping they pick the team of Barnett and Nicholls been watching them a bit this year since when they were still outside the top ~200 and was a good win the week before the USA

think they will go with Dart Watson in the doubles or might even put Emma in there but i think putting in a made team who are both ranked in the top 80 would be a good move.

I don't see any reason to pick Watson.  She is bang out of form/confidence and refused to play last time.  Think just let he get her game back before picking her again.  I'd rather pick Boulter as she has played so well in the past, but don't think you can pick her ahead of Dart or Raducanu, and you'd have to pick Swan on current form. 

Would be tempted to pick a settled doubles team, though Dart plays quite a bit of doubles.   Don't think you can put Raducanu in with her though, as you wouldn't want her to play too many games with the blisters issue she seems to keep getting, and Swan isn't playing many doubles games now either.  Also watched Dart/Random get beat in doubles by Barnett/Nicholls not long ago so think that shows we don't have a need to force a doubles pairing with Dart.
 Think I'd go Raducanu, Dart, Swan and Barnett/Nicholls.

Think it is good to have all this competition, with Burrage and Kartal on the borders too. 

Don't know when it is announced, but guess we don't have long to wait. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 18, 2022, 04:24:08 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Katie Swan made it to the semi fomal of the WTA in Chennai.  It was a pretty soft field for a 250, but this is still her best result.  I thought she might give up the game a couple of years ago as she seemed to be struggling with the tour, but that result puts her above Watson, Boulter and Burrage.  She had been in decent form before this winning a 60k not long ago too.   She is still young so could still get quite a bit higher. 

I did mean to watch it after dinner, but she had retired before I saw a shot.  She looked pretty decent in the quarter final, but probably not at the level Raducanu and Dart can play.   3rd in the UK looks about right. 

Don't know what to make of the Davis Cup.  I queried picking Murray at the time, and it looks a bad selection now.  Though having said that, all games looked close barring one of Norrie's.

Guess we could get smashed up in the Billie Jean Cup, but think we have a few players who could outplay their rankings this time. 



yeah watched Katie all week, (keep eye on all Brits on Amazon as mum loves watching them rather than the big names) was looking forward to the game last night and even though she was 3-0 down she looked like she was competing having break points in both service games against her..

Billie Jean Cup i am hoping they pick the team of Barnett and Nicholls been watching them a bit this year since when they were still outside the top ~200 and was a good win the week before the USA

think they will go with Dart Watson in the doubles or might even put Emma in there but i think putting in a made team who are both ranked in the top 80 would be a good move.

I don't see any reason to pick Watson.  She is bang out of form/confidence and refused to play last time.  Think just let he get her game back before picking her again.  I'd rather pick Boulter as she has played so well in the past, but don't think you can pick her ahead of Dart or Raducanu, and you'd have to pick Swan on current form. 

Would be tempted to pick a settled doubles team, though Dart plays quite a bit of doubles.   Don't think you can put Raducanu in with her though, as you wouldn't want her to play too many games with the blisters issue she seems to keep getting, and Swan isn't playing many doubles games now either.  Also watched Dart/Random get beat in doubles by Barnett/Nicholls not long ago so think that shows we don't have a need to force a doubles pairing with Dart.
 Think I'd go Raducanu, Dart, Swan and Barnett/Nicholls.

Think it is good to have all this competition, with Burrage and Kartal on the borders too. 

Don't know when it is announced, but guess we don't have long to wait. 

totally agree

Dart is likely a better doubles player than either Barnett or Nicholls but they play together week in week out


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 23, 2022, 10:34:06 AM
Raducanu back playing at a high level.  You can see she is back playing attacking tennis, and is finding the lines again.  Linette was struggling a bit today, but well and truly tonked her.  If she is to win this she might have to beat the one and two seeds.  Ostapenko always value, so if that happens it could be a good watch.

Think she is going to go up the rankings quite quickly from here.  She hasn't got many points to defend by the year end, and hasn't played much over the last 12 months.   This means she has some pretty dismal scores in her ranking points, so all wins are likely to improve her ranking.  Even if she goes out in the next round, I think this is already going to be the highest points score in her ranking.  I don't think Dart will get close to her again in the near future.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 23, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
yeah she looked very good this morning and 3rd on tomorrow so should be another 8am-9am start which is a good way to get into the day, before the Laver Cup



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 23, 2022, 02:13:11 PM
Do you know where she is going next?  Assume she plays Romania again and then maybe Czech Republic?    Assume she isn't trekking to Mexico


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 23, 2022, 02:16:56 PM
Do you know where she is going next?  Assume she plays Romania again and then maybe Czech Republic?    Assume she isn't trekking to Mexico

no idea where anyone is playing next, first i ever see is when the live ranking page adds them on the saturday/sunday then i know the draws are on the ATP/WTP pages


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 23, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
Looks like she is playing the Czech republic.

https://www.wtatennis.com/news/2785830/swiatek-rybakina-raducanu-azarenka-headline-ostrava-entry-list (https://www.wtatennis.com/news/2785830/swiatek-rybakina-raducanu-azarenka-headline-ostrava-entry-list)

Also can see the Romanians are promoting her playing there.  Makes more sense than going out to Mexico etc.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Marky147 on September 24, 2022, 12:50:17 AM
Lots of grown men crying there... Even got me going, and I'm not a big tennis fan :D

Shame they couldn't pull it off.

GG, Fed!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 24, 2022, 09:28:11 AM
Sad that for Raducanu.  She looked like she was winning that before the issues started.  Think all very promising if the issue is only temporary.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 06, 2022, 08:02:33 AM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Katie Swan made it to the semi fomal of the WTA in Chennai.  It was a pretty soft field for a 250, but this is still her best result.  I thought she might give up the game a couple of years ago as she seemed to be struggling with the tour, but that result puts her above Watson, Boulter and Burrage.  She had been in decent form before this winning a 60k not long ago too.   She is still young so could still get quite a bit higher. 

I did mean to watch it after dinner, but she had retired before I saw a shot.  She looked pretty decent in the quarter final, but probably not at the level Raducanu and Dart can play.   3rd in the UK looks about right. 

Don't know what to make of the Davis Cup.  I queried picking Murray at the time, and it looks a bad selection now.  Though having said that, all games looked close barring one of Norrie's.

Guess we could get smashed up in the Billie Jean Cup, but think we have a few players who could outplay their rankings this time. 



yeah watched Katie all week, (keep eye on all Brits on Amazon as mum loves watching them rather than the big names) was looking forward to the game last night and even though she was 3-0 down she looked like she was competing having break points in both service games against her..

Billie Jean Cup i am hoping they pick the team of Barnett and Nicholls been watching them a bit this year since when they were still outside the top ~200 and was a good win the week before the USA

think they will go with Dart Watson in the doubles or might even put Emma in there but i think putting in a made team who are both ranked in the top 80 would be a good move.

I don't see any reason to pick Watson.  She is bang out of form/confidence and refused to play last time.  Think just let he get her game back before picking her again.  I'd rather pick Boulter as she has played so well in the past, but don't think you can pick her ahead of Dart or Raducanu, and you'd have to pick Swan on current form. 

Would be tempted to pick a settled doubles team, though Dart plays quite a bit of doubles.   Don't think you can put Raducanu in with her though, as you wouldn't want her to play too many games with the blisters issue she seems to keep getting, and Swan isn't playing many doubles games now either.  Also watched Dart/Random get beat in doubles by Barnett/Nicholls not long ago so think that shows we don't have a need to force a doubles pairing with Dart.
 Think I'd go Raducanu, Dart, Swan and Barnett/Nicholls.

Think it is good to have all this competition, with Burrage and Kartal on the borders too. 

Don't know when it is announced, but guess we don't have long to wait. 

totally agree

Dart is likely a better doubles player than either Barnett or Nicholls but they play together week in week out

Watson and Dart are playing doubles together in Tunisia.  Presumably this is in preparation for the Billie Jean cup?   Nicholls and Barnett are playing in Ostrava at a higher level though.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 06, 2022, 01:32:28 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Katie Swan made it to the semi fomal of the WTA in Chennai.  It was a pretty soft field for a 250, but this is still her best result.  I thought she might give up the game a couple of years ago as she seemed to be struggling with the tour, but that result puts her above Watson, Boulter and Burrage.  She had been in decent form before this winning a 60k not long ago too.   She is still young so could still get quite a bit higher. 

I did mean to watch it after dinner, but she had retired before I saw a shot.  She looked pretty decent in the quarter final, but probably not at the level Raducanu and Dart can play.   3rd in the UK looks about right. 

Don't know what to make of the Davis Cup.  I queried picking Murray at the time, and it looks a bad selection now.  Though having said that, all games looked close barring one of Norrie's.

Guess we could get smashed up in the Billie Jean Cup, but think we have a few players who could outplay their rankings this time. 



yeah watched Katie all week, (keep eye on all Brits on Amazon as mum loves watching them rather than the big names) was looking forward to the game last night and even though she was 3-0 down she looked like she was competing having break points in both service games against her..

Billie Jean Cup i am hoping they pick the team of Barnett and Nicholls been watching them a bit this year since when they were still outside the top ~200 and was a good win the week before the USA

think they will go with Dart Watson in the doubles or might even put Emma in there but i think putting in a made team who are both ranked in the top 80 would be a good move.

I don't see any reason to pick Watson.  She is bang out of form/confidence and refused to play last time.  Think just let he get her game back before picking her again.  I'd rather pick Boulter as she has played so well in the past, but don't think you can pick her ahead of Dart or Raducanu, and you'd have to pick Swan on current form. 

Would be tempted to pick a settled doubles team, though Dart plays quite a bit of doubles.   Don't think you can put Raducanu in with her though, as you wouldn't want her to play too many games with the blisters issue she seems to keep getting, and Swan isn't playing many doubles games now either.  Also watched Dart/Random get beat in doubles by Barnett/Nicholls not long ago so think that shows we don't have a need to force a doubles pairing with Dart.
 Think I'd go Raducanu, Dart, Swan and Barnett/Nicholls.

Think it is good to have all this competition, with Burrage and Kartal on the borders too. 

Don't know when it is announced, but guess we don't have long to wait. 

totally agree

Dart is likely a better doubles player than either Barnett or Nicholls but they play together week in week out

Watson and Dart are playing doubles together in Tunisia.  Presumably this is in preparation for the Billie Jean cup?   Nicholls and Barnett are playing in Ostrava at a higher level though.

yeah was watching them, dart and watson looked ok last night but Barnett Nichols are facing much toucher opponents,


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 06, 2022, 05:33:23 PM
team is announced on Monday, I don't think Barnett and Nichols did enough today to get picked ahead of Dart and Watson but i hope i am wrong

Raducanu has wrist injury and has pulled out of Romania next week


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 06, 2022, 06:03:55 PM
Just found this gives you the low down on who has entered which events and even a schedule so you can find out where players are planning to go

https://www.dartsrankings.com/tennis/schedules/

women's site is still a work in progress it looks like


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 09, 2022, 01:19:56 PM
Katie Swan is on a bit of a run

she won the W60 in lexington then made the semi in the 250 in chennai where she had to pull out injured (i was shocked she even started after her QF) then won another W60 today
so her only defeat since wimbledon was the Semi she retired injured. Needs more more good performance before end of season to get straight into the Aus open



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 09, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Katie Swan is on a bit of a run

she won the W60 in lexington then made the semi in the 250 in chennai where she had to pull out injured (i was shocked she even started after her QF) then won another W60 today
so her only defeat since wimbledon was the Semi she retired injured. Needs more more good performance before end of season to get straight into the Aus open



Yeah, have been keeping an eye on her.  She has been on quite a run, despite barely playing.  Think she'll have to win at least something at this level again to get in.  I don't know what points she'll lose by the end of the year though, though can't see it been many (haven't checked).  

Edit.  Just checked and it isn't as good as expected.  She loses 65 by the end of October as she is carrying some from 2019 and loses 65 more in November.  Think it will be a tough ask in the circumstances.  https://tennistonic.com/stats-players/wta/32631/Katie-Swan/live-rankings/ (https://tennistonic.com/stats-players/wta/32631/Katie-Swan/live-rankings/)

FWIW There is another W60 in Trnava next week which she is entered in.  Hard to go back to back though, even if in form.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 10, 2022, 04:39:54 PM
Emma captain, with Dart, Watson and Boulter and a 5th player to be named in coming weeks.

Bit Disappointed but not surprised Watson is there her form is terrible

I imagine not it will be Burrage or Swan that takes the 5th spot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63200402


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 10, 2022, 05:03:40 PM
Emma captain, with Dart, Watson and Boulter and a 5th player to be named in coming weeks.

Bit Disappointed but not surprised Watson is there her form is terrible

I imagine not it will be Burrage or Swan that takes the 5th spot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63200402

That is a bit disappointing; she refused last time and her form is terrible.  Guess she might get a lift from being part of the team, and it feels like she just needs someone to remind her she can play at this level. 

Would have taken Swan if we are ruling out the doubles pair, but she must have issues as she hasn't played much this year.  So it might be a choice between Burrage and Kartal?  Kartal was in form last time, but Burrage is now, so you change?  Whoever it is is unlikely to play unless it is Swan?

Think you'd pick 2 from 3 in singles (Boulter gets in above Watson on form and past displays?) and Dart/Watson doubles seems obvious, even if I don't like it. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 10, 2022, 05:38:41 PM
Emma captain, with Dart, Watson and Boulter and a 5th player to be named in coming weeks.

Bit Disappointed but not surprised Watson is there her form is terrible

I imagine not it will be Burrage or Swan that takes the 5th spot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63200402

That is a bit disappointing; she refused last time and her form is terrible.  Guess she might get a lift from being part of the team, and it feels like she just needs someone to remind her she can play at this level. 

Would have taken Swan if we are ruling out the doubles pair, but she must have issues as she hasn't played much this year.  So it might be a choice between Burrage and Kartal?  Kartal was in form last time, but Burrage is now, so you change?  Whoever it is is unlikely to play unless it is Swan?

Think you'd pick 2 from 3 in singles (Boulter gets in above Watson on form and past displays?) and Dart/Watson doubles seems obvious, even if I don't like it. 

Dart/Watson is obvious choice for doubles but are you really playing Dart singles and Doubles same day 3 times ? Cant really get Emma playing doubles as keeping her fit is much better option

Boulter has no ranking points in doubles so i assume she doesn't play that so think the options is Boulter singles Dart/Watson doubles


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 11, 2022, 12:27:23 PM
Katie Swan is on a bit of a run

she won the W60 in lexington then made the semi in the 250 in chennai where she had to pull out injured (i was shocked she even started after her QF) then won another W60 today
so her only defeat since wimbledon was the Semi she retired injured. Needs more more good performance before end of season to get straight into the Aus open



Yeah, have been keeping an eye on her.  She has been on quite a run, despite barely playing.  Think she'll have to win at least something at this level again to get in.  I don't know what points she'll lose by the end of the year though, though can't see it been many (haven't checked). 

Edit.  Just checked and it isn't as good as expected.  She loses 65 by the end of October as she is carrying some from 2019 and loses 65 more in November.  Think it will be a tough ask in the circumstances.  https://tennistonic.com/stats-players/wta/32631/Katie-Swan/live-rankings/ (https://tennistonic.com/stats-players/wta/32631/Katie-Swan/live-rankings/)

FWIW There is another W60 in Trnava next week which she is entered in.  Hard to go back to back though, even if in form.

looks like she has pulled out of this week


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 19, 2022, 09:45:23 AM
The ITF free stream is in operation this week for the W60 in Glasgow.  Lots of home interest including Katie Swan, Katie Boulter, Heather Watson etc.  A few up and coming Brits made it through qualifying too.

https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/ (https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 20, 2022, 09:47:20 PM
Emma Raducanu has had coaches that lasted longer than Liz Truss as prime minister

https://twitter.com/Emmagoatcanu/status/1583076158652153858?t=dQC9BnkrXmLnCJKV4qzRww&s=19 (https://twitter.com/Emmagoatcanu/status/1583076158652153858?t=dQC9BnkrXmLnCJKV4qzRww&s=19)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 24, 2022, 09:13:06 PM
Unlucky draw for Draper 1st round against Alcaraz took him to 7-5 in 3rd set

hopefully gets a good run next week in Paris


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 27, 2022, 12:13:05 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63409782

red flags? for Emma


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 28, 2022, 05:43:28 PM
new mixed team event in Aus before the open

2 men's singles 2 women's singles and a mixed double match in each tie

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63426382


if GB get in could be interesting squad selection


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 28, 2022, 08:40:18 PM
new mixed team event in Aus before the open

2 men's singles 2 women's singles and a mixed double match in each tie

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63426382


if GB get in could be interesting squad selection

meh, just a revival of the Hopman Cup.  Think you'd just go Evans, Norrie, Raducanu, Dart if it was now and all available.  Assuming it is 4 a side.  Don't think it matters too much who plays doubles with Dart?   Maybe get the Raducanu/Murray doubles team together if he plays?   Remember them both entertaining the idea a bit back.

Raducanu is out of the Billie Jean Cup btw. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 28, 2022, 10:39:07 PM



Raducanu is out of the Billie Jean Cup btw. 

burage swan 4th 5th picks or the doubles team i think they go with the singles player


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 31, 2022, 08:42:55 PM
next year is the last year of Amazon prime's coverage. Looks like SKY are likely to get it. Going to be annoying if they don't show all the matches as per Amazon.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 02, 2022, 06:20:00 PM
[url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63491204[url]

Swan has declared herself unavailable, so Barnett/Nicholls it is.  Think Burrage should have got there instead of Watson, as reward for a good season, but don't really hate the team.  Think it is near best in the circumstances.  Don't think there is much between Boulter, Watson and Burrage, so there isn't much of a complaint.  Hoping Boulter has a good week to put her ahead of Watson. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 02, 2022, 09:05:37 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63491204 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63491204)

Swan has declared herself unavailable, so Barnett/Nicholls it is.  Think Burrage should have got there instead of Watson, as reward for a good season, but don't really hate the team.  Think it is near best in the circumstances.  Don't think there is much between Boulter, Watson and Burrage, so there isn't much of a complaint.  Hoping Boulter has a good week to put her ahead of Watson. 

FYP in my post you forgot the /

good too see them get into the team reward for a good season


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 10, 2022, 12:34:02 PM
GB play Aus and Spain in the "new" mixed team event

the GB team

men
Norrie
Evans
O'Mara
Choinski
women
Dart
Swan
Brogan
McDonald


Draper in final group match tonight winner gets place in the semi
i think the British ladies need to win 3-0 vrs Spain tonight to progress in the BJC


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 10, 2022, 05:32:34 PM
Ok i will admit i thought having Watson in the team was a mistake but that was best tennis i have seen from her in a few years


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 10, 2022, 07:31:32 PM
OK doubles match to decide on the semi final place do you play Dart/Watson or Barnett/Nichols ?



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 10, 2022, 09:42:15 PM
OK doubles match to decide on the semi final place do you play Dart/Watson or Barnett/Nichols ?



Barnett Nichols every time :). Would have said that before.

Watson immense today. 

Brilliant stuff to do this without Radacanu and from 0-2 in march one.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 10, 2022, 09:54:42 PM
OK doubles match to decide on the semi final place do you play Dart/Watson or Barnett/Nichols ?



Barnett Nichols every time :). Would have said that before.

Watson immense today. 

Brilliant stuff to do this without Radacanu and from 0-2 in march one.

Amazing, i think Anne K was on a hiding to nothing i picking the doubles match if they had lost people would of been saying why not use Dart/Watson and if she picked Dart/Watson it was why not pick Barnett/Nichols
i have been fans of Barnett/Nichols seen i first seen them playing as a pair hope they can push on top 50 and beyond next season

Mr Draper put on a good display today too not before 8:30pm (gmt) tomorrow evening tomorrow for his semi.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 12, 2022, 05:21:26 PM
which idiot of a captain picks 2 unknown players for a match deciding doubles instead of 2 world class players like Watson and Dart :-)

so close but no cigar


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on December 08, 2022, 11:43:49 PM
Edmunds, Norrie, Evans, Murray and Draper all accepted in the Aussie open
Only Emma in the Ladies, Dart is the first Alternate


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ronan1001 on December 12, 2022, 09:24:36 AM
OK doubles match to decide on the semi final place do you play Dart/Watson or Barnett/Nichols ?



Barnett Nichols every time :). Would have said that before.

Watson immense today. 

Brilliant stuff to do this without Radacanu and from 0-2 in march one.

Amazing, i think Anne K was on a hiding to nothing i picking the doubles match if they had lost people would of been saying why not use Dart/Watson and if she picked Dart/Watson it was why not pick Barnett/Nichols
i have been fans of Barnett/Nichols seen i first seen them playing as a pair hope they can push on top 50 and beyond next season

Mr Draper put on a good display today too not before 8:30pm (gmt) tomorrow evening tomorrow for his semi.
I've watched a few of their games. Yeah, I think they have the potential to be in the top 50. But time will tell.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 01, 2023, 12:59:51 PM
Is anyone watching the United Cup.  Managed to catch the Evans match this morning.  Was a bit brutal with some great tennis and both players suffering. We have had a few players outperforming their rankings, notably Norrie beating Nadal.  It is all early season, so not sure how meaningful it is, but can't be bad news.

Also lots of tennis overnight with Radacanu, Draper and others making their 2023 bow.  Looks like Radacanu has picked up another Czech hotpot in the draw, but it could be worse.  Will be good to see her be less injury prone this season.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 01, 2023, 01:04:49 PM
yeah watched both ties so far been quite good the Dart match today was brutal


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 09, 2023, 11:47:03 PM
Pretty amazing historically that Murray doesn't get in the Davis Cup despite climbing into the top 50.

Here you go Ironside, assuming Raducanu is top and Watson is behind all, what is the order of these 4 in the rankings at the year end?

Dart (90)
Boulter (120)
Burrage (127)
Swan (132).
Current rankings in brackets.

Think you'd put Dart as favourite, but it is so competitive that you could lay Dart at 2/1 and wouldn't want to lay any at 4/1?  

Does Kartal get past any of these, other than Watson?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 10, 2023, 02:23:29 PM
Dart has the advantage in getting into draws, the other 3 could be separated by 1 good tournament. I think Watson will call it a day if she doesn't get back into top 100 by the end of Wimbledon. Cant see her having the stomach for chasing ITF events week in week out after being in the top 20. Watson, Swan and Kartal all out in 1st round of Aussie Q


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 10, 2023, 09:59:01 PM
Dart has the advantage in getting into draws, the other 3 could be separated by 1 good tournament. I think Watson will call it a day if she doesn't get back into top 100 by the end of Wimbledon. Cant see her having the stomach for chasing ITF events week in week out after being in the top 20. Watson, Swan and Kartal all out in 1st round of Aussie Q

I was of the view that Watson was winding down, but she surprised me in the Billie Jean Cup.  Retiring after Wimbledon makes some sense, as it may well be the last time she gets a wild card to the main draw, and likely has to qualify for any other decent tournament going forward.  Surely she rocks up for 50k in the first round, and she still has the skills to win a game or two if on form.

Can still see her making an appearance in the likes of Ilkley or Nottingham where the prize money isn't too shabby.  They'll fit with going at Wimbledon.  Can't see her grinding 15s and 25s though.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 12, 2023, 10:29:43 AM
Draws are out for the Aussie Open.

https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles  (https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles)

Radacanu decent draw first round, Dart is likely ok facing a low seed.

Draper has got Nadal. Bad bad draw, but he definitely has chances on current form for both.  Edmund has a bad draw too Vs Sinner.

Haven't checked later rounds as at work.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 12, 2023, 11:26:04 PM
Draws are out for the Aussie Open.

https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles  (https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles)

Radacanu decent draw first round, Dart is likely ok facing a low seed.

Draper has got Nadal. Bad bad draw, but he definitely has chances on current form for both.  Edmund has a bad draw too Vs Sinner.

Haven't checked later rounds as at work.


Raducanu will have Gauff in round 2 if she gets through. Would like to see that and Draper/Nadal but timing is unlikely to be convenient.  Can't see any hope of watching a 5 setter midweek from Australia whilst holding down a job :(


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 13, 2023, 12:12:35 AM
Draws are out for the Aussie Open.

https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles  (https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles)

Radacanu decent draw first round, Dart is likely ok facing a low seed.

Draper has got Nadal. Bad bad draw, but he definitely has chances on current form for both.  Edmund has a bad draw too Vs Sinner.

Haven't checked later rounds as at work.


Raducanu will have Gauff in round 2 if she gets through. Would like to see that and Draper/Nadal but timing is unlikely to be convenient.  Can't see any hope of watching a 5 setter midweek from Australia whilst holding down a job :(

yeah normally open the slam show court with the defending mens champ so likely early hours.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 14, 2023, 11:36:09 AM
Draws are out for the Aussie Open.

https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles  (https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles)

Radacanu decent draw first round, Dart is likely ok facing a low seed.

Draper has got Nadal. Bad bad draw, but he definitely has chances on current form for both.  Edmund has a bad draw too Vs Sinner.

Haven't checked later rounds as at work.


Raducanu will have Gauff in round 2 if she gets through. Would like to see that and Draper/Nadal but timing is unlikely to be convenient.  Can't see any hope of watching a 5 setter midweek from Australia whilst holding down a job :(

yeah normally open the slam show court with the defending mens champ so likely early hours.


https://twitter.com/AustralianOpen/status/1614095734193913856?t=fVcB-Rue0K6momXnB5bGXw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/AustralianOpen/status/1614095734193913856?t=fVcB-Rue0K6momXnB5bGXw&s=19)

2.30 pm Aussie time. Preferable to 6am UK, so I won't be tempted to get up very early and ruin my whole week.  No point in getting up if  there is a good chance it will be over by set 3. Though if it goes past 3 sets...

Sinner/Edmund is on at midnight UK for those still up. Would love to see Edmund compete, but can't see it. Anyone have any hope?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 15, 2023, 02:33:51 PM
Draws are out for the Aussie Open.

https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles  (https://ausopen.com/draws#!womens-singles)

Radacanu decent draw first round, Dart is likely ok facing a low seed.

Draper has got Nadal. Bad bad draw, but he definitely has chances on current form for both.  Edmund has a bad draw too Vs Sinner.

Haven't checked later rounds as at work.


Raducanu will have Gauff in round 2 if she gets through. Would like to see that and Draper/Nadal but timing is unlikely to be convenient.  Can't see any hope of watching a 5 setter midweek from Australia whilst holding down a job :(

yeah normally open the slam show court with the defending mens champ so likely early hours.


https://twitter.com/AustralianOpen/status/1614095734193913856?t=fVcB-Rue0K6momXnB5bGXw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/AustralianOpen/status/1614095734193913856?t=fVcB-Rue0K6momXnB5bGXw&s=19)

2.30 pm Aussie time. Preferable to 6am UK, so I won't be tempted to get up very early and ruin my whole week.  No point in getting up if  there is a good chance it will be over by set 3. Though if it goes past 3 sets...

Sinner/Edmund is on at midnight UK for those still up. Would love to see Edmund compete, but can't see it. Anyone have any hope?


Raducanu on at midnight, Dart 5.30ish, Cam Norrie 3.30 (and probably Draper).  Draper about 5/2, Raducanu 1/5, Edmund about 13/1.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 15, 2023, 02:57:09 PM
i have set both eurosport channels on record and can spin through tomorrow hopefully they will show the brits


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 17, 2023, 08:18:11 AM
Between the nfl and the tennis I am now useless for the day, I am supposed to be cooking lunch for 12


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 19, 2023, 05:34:13 PM
i didn't expect to be watching live tennis from Australia at 5pm in the evening that was some match


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 11, 2023, 04:02:30 PM
Dart gets through round 1 of 3 qualifying for Doha, Only has to get past the world number 19 to get into the 3rd round.
Looks like the main event has a strong field.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 24, 2023, 05:12:56 PM
WOW Andy Murray, saved 2 match points on his serve then came back from 40-0 and 3 match points to square match at 5-5 before winning the tie break to make final in Doha


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 06, 2023, 05:18:05 PM
Harriet Dart has fallen behind Burrage and Watson in the live rankings

Djokovic has had to withdraw from Indian wells due to still not being allowed into the USA.

Edmunds was on list with a PR but has had to withdraw too


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 14, 2023, 01:18:41 PM
Can't quite believe how well Raducanu has been playing.  Backed against her last night as it was close to evens each one, but she deserved the win.  would love to watch Raducanu/Swiatek and Draper/Alcatraz, but both in the middle of the night.

Nottingham Open tickets went on general sale today, so think most of the other non Wimbledon tickets will be on sale now or soon, so grab some decent tickets whilst you can. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 24, 2023, 01:45:21 PM
Emma out of the top 100 in the live rankings Burrage catching her, Rest of the GB women are looking like needing a good grass court season to stay in the top 200

Drapers pull out of Madrid


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 24, 2023, 04:22:50 PM
Emma out of the top 100 in the live rankings Burrage catching her, Rest of the GB women are looking like needing a good grass court season to stay in the top 200

Drapers pull out of Madrid

Burrage has just got through the first qualifiers in Madrid, but she'd have to get to round 4 to get past Raducanu?  Think Raducanu is likely to have enough to get in round 1 of the French Open too, where as Burrage may need a few more points?  Raducanu has Swiatek in round 2 of Madrid, and that clearly isn't great news.  She could definitely do with an easier passage in something soon.

I wouldn't worry too much of the rest, Swan, Dart and Boulter should be fine, as they have all been steadily improving, Watson is the major doubt, though she did ok in an ITF the other day so still has some fight in her.  Miyazaki is already top 200, and Kartal will be there in no time. 

I noticed Hannah Klugman has stepped out of Juniors too, and she is supposed to be a future star too.

I read at the weekend that they were thinking of banning the top 30 from WTA250s. Not sure what the point is, it just makes them less appealing for spectators and it wasn't like they were overloaded with top players anyway.






Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 24, 2023, 05:38:27 PM




I read at the weekend that they were thinking of banning the top 30 from WTA250s. Not sure what the point is, it just makes them less appealing for spectators and it wasn't like they were overloaded with top players anyway.






this would be such a bad idea

your ranked 30th in world and cant compete meanwhile 31/32/33/34 all can and you then find yourself outside the top 32 seeded players for a 1000 or slam. Or your coming off an injury and need some match practice


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 24, 2023, 07:40:20 PM




I read at the weekend that they were thinking of banning the top 30 from WTA250s. Not sure what the point is, it just makes them less appealing for spectators and it wasn't like they were overloaded with top players anyway.






this would be such a bad idea

your ranked 30th in world and cant compete meanwhile 31/32/33/34 all can and you then find yourself outside the top 32 seeded players for a 1000 or slam. Or your coming off an injury and need some match practice

Just saw this, doesn't seem like anybody thinks it is a good idea.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/12tz2bs/wta_planning_to_ban_top_30_players_from_playing/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/12tz2bs/wta_planning_to_ban_top_30_players_from_playing/)

Wonder what will happen to Birmingham and Nottingham next year?  They could lose both and the grass court season is proper screwed?  Don't think this is good for UK tennis.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 26, 2023, 08:05:31 AM
Emma out of the top 100 in the live rankings Burrage catching her, Rest of the GB women are looking like needing a good grass court season to stay in the top 200

Drapers pull out of Madrid

Burrage has just got through the first qualifiers in Madrid, but she'd have to get to round 4 to get past Raducanu?  Think Raducanu is likely to have enough to get in round 1 of the French Open too, where as Burrage may need a few more points?  Raducanu has Swiatek in round 2 of Madrid, and that clearly isn't great news.  She could definitely do with an easier passage in something soon.

I wouldn't worry too much of the rest, Swan, Dart and Boulter should be fine, as they have all been steadily improving, Watson is the major doubt, though she did ok in an ITF the other day so still has some fight in her.  Miyazaki is already top 200, and Kartal will be there in no time. 

I noticed Hannah Klugman has stepped out of Juniors too, and she is supposed to be a future star too.

I read at the weekend that they were thinking of banning the top 30 from WTA250s. Not sure what the point is, it just makes them less appealing for spectators and it wasn't like they were overloaded with top players anyway.


To add to this, just realised that the Rome entries are out and Raducanu scraped in before her ranking dropped (she was 68 at the time), so think she'll be ok for a while.  Her ranking will rise again in the grass court season as the surface should favour her and she will have no points to defend as she was first round in Nottingham and Wimbledon didn't count last year. 

She is favourite today but Swiatek is barely beatable on clay.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 26, 2023, 01:31:35 PM
Emma out of the top 100 in the live rankings Burrage catching her, Rest of the GB women are looking like needing a good grass court season to stay in the top 200

Drapers pull out of Madrid

Burrage has just got through the first qualifiers in Madrid, but she'd have to get to round 4 to get past Raducanu?  Think Raducanu is likely to have enough to get in round 1 of the French Open too, where as Burrage may need a few more points?  Raducanu has Swiatek in round 2 of Madrid, and that clearly isn't great news.  She could definitely do with an easier passage in something soon.

I wouldn't worry too much of the rest, Swan, Dart and Boulter should be fine, as they have all been steadily improving, Watson is the major doubt, though she did ok in an ITF the other day so still has some fight in her.  Miyazaki is already top 200, and Kartal will be there in no time. 

I noticed Hannah Klugman has stepped out of Juniors too, and she is supposed to be a future star too.

I read at the weekend that they were thinking of banning the top 30 from WTA250s. Not sure what the point is, it just makes them less appealing for spectators and it wasn't like they were overloaded with top players anyway.


To add to this, just realised that the Rome entries are out and Raducanu scraped in before her ranking dropped (she was 68 at the time), so think she'll be ok for a while.  Her ranking will rise again in the grass court season as the surface should favour her and she will have no points to defend as she was first round in Nottingham and Wimbledon didn't count last year. 

She is favourite today but Swiatek is barely beatable on clay.



She has pulled out in Madrid with a hand injury.  Guess she has more chance of decent ranking points in Rome, so if she was going to miss only one, this is the one to miss.  Swiatek round 1 in Rome is currently 1.01. :)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ronan1001 on April 28, 2023, 09:02:18 AM
Just saw this, doesn't seem like anybody thinks it is a good idea.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/12tz2bs/wta_planning_to_ban_top_30_players_from_playing/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/12tz2bs/wta_planning_to_ban_top_30_players_from_playing/)

Wonder what will happen to Birmingham and Nottingham next year?  They could lose both and the grass court season is proper screwed?  Don't think this is good for UK tennis.

They just want money. And they probably have the right to demand it. Figuratively speaking, they have two aces in this situation - Ad (https://sloteire.com) Ac. But let's see what happens.    

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Tomáš Petera head organizator of WTA 500 in Ostrava just said that in 2024 there will be major change in tournaments. He said that top 30 will not be able to play WTA 250! And those tournaments will have to upgrade their licence which is super expensive so we may lost them.
https://twitter.com/broken_necklace/status/1649363872757829633?s=20


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 03, 2023, 05:55:17 PM
Emma out of the whole summer calendar after surgery on both hands and an ankle


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on May 03, 2023, 06:08:38 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/65469123





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Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Karabiner on May 03, 2023, 06:45:56 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/65469123





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One hit wonder Tony?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on May 03, 2023, 06:57:28 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/65469123





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One hit wonder Tony?


As if I'd ever say such a thing...


(https://i.imgur.com/nK5i80N.jpg)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 03, 2023, 07:55:12 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/65469123





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One hit wonder Tony?


As if I'd ever say such a thing...


(https://i.imgur.com/nK5i80N.jpg)

She has clearly been struggling with that wrist for many months and would be some con I don't understand to fake hospital and deliberately miss Wimbledon.  Some people are just more prone to injury than others and having seen her, she doesn't seem to be lacking strength and fitness. I don't think many players could play Norrie's schedule.  For example, Draper doesn't find it easy to keep fit, but he hasn't had 5% of the stick Raducanu gets.

She is clearly the best UK female player right now, and is still young.  Strongly suspect she has made the right choice here, she couldn't go on like she was. Hope it all gets fixed and she doesn't come back as slowly and as hampered as Murray. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on May 04, 2023, 11:39:02 PM
I won Court Two Wimbledon tickets for day 1 in the lottery. Know I won't be seeing Murray or Djokovic, but should be some good seeds on there. Now just fingers crossed it won't rain!

My mum is a mad Dom Thiem fan, so I kind of cheer him on a bit. Good to see him getting some form back.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 06, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
I won Court Two Wimbledon tickets for day 1 in the lottery. Know I won't be seeing Murray or Djokovic, but should be some good seeds on there. Now just fingers crossed it won't rain!

My mum is a mad Dom Thiem fan, so I kind of cheer him on a bit. Good to see him getting some form back.

I used to like going on the first couple of days as you get to see a few Brits in action on the outside courts.  Think you'll have a good chance of seeing Dan Evans or Jack Draper there.  They may put someone like Harriet Dart or Katie Boulter out there, particularly if they draw a seed?  I don't think watching Djokovic tonk someone on Centre Court is that entertaining.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on May 21, 2023, 06:57:17 PM
Saw Dan Evans play his first match back from his drugs ban at a Challenger at Loughborough Uni. On that day later on the same court playing his first ever match at Challenger level was Jack Draper. Crowd that day was about 60 people I would guess. They have both had a pretty good few years since then!

Yeah really looking forward to it. I think it is a good spot to see some good seed vs talented floater first round matches or yeah maybe Evans or Draper perhaps.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 22, 2023, 01:04:14 PM
bit disappointing for Kartal today 6-2 5-1 up serving for the match lost next 6 games and then lost the final set 6-4


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 22, 2023, 06:26:55 PM
bit disappointing for Kartal today 6-2 5-1 up serving for the match lost next 6 games and then lost the final set 6-4

That is disappointing.  Fran Jones has just beaten Coco Vandeweghe who seems to be following a similar trajectory as Heather Watson.  Still a long way to go to get a woman in the first round.  We'll be needing a fair few wildcards at Wimbledon this time.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 23, 2023, 12:48:40 AM
Fran Jones had a massive jump up the rankings last month after getting to a semi of a 250 went up something like 500 spots
she must have been a sponsors wildcard entry or something
she followed that up with a final in a small event and withdrawing from a semi
so she is on a heater as they say on the poker tables


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 23, 2023, 06:52:57 AM
Fran Jones had a massive jump up the rankings last month after getting to a semi of a 250 went up something like 500 spots
she must have been a sponsors wildcard entry or something
she followed that up with a final in a small event and withdrawing from a semi
so she is on a heater as they say on the poker tables

She was off for nearly a year so assume she is getting in on a protected ranking.  She is on a heater, but just heading back to where she was before the absence. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 25, 2023, 01:56:35 PM
bit disappointing for Kartal today 6-2 5-1 up serving for the match lost next 6 games and then lost the final set 6-4

That is disappointing.  Fran Jones has just beaten Coco Vandeweghe who seems to be following a similar trajectory as Heather Watson.  Still a long way to go to get a woman in the first round.  We'll be needing a fair few wildcards at Wimbledon this time.

Seems we have no British Women in the first round of a grand slam since the US open 2009.  Think Burrage would have been if not injured, and Raducanu definitely would have so don't know if it means much.  Good to see so many men in the top 100 right now, and hopefully we'll have somebody back in the women's top 100 after the grass season and in time for the US Open.

Fran Jones had to withdraw yesterday and everyone else seemed to lose 2-1.  Will be needing a few wild cards for the Nottingham Open too as nobody is high enough for that this year (think they are due to start announcing them soon though haven't seen any).


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 25, 2023, 05:12:34 PM
Kyle has withdrawn from French open just before the draw seemingly Not sure if he is still within date to use his protective ranking again


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 25, 2023, 06:51:46 PM
Kyle has withdrawn from French open just before the draw seemingly Not sure if he is still within date to use his protective ranking again

He had to drop out in the middle of an ITF game last week.  Assume he has a niggle and doesn't want to waste one of his 12 protected ranking tournaments if he isn't fit enough to compete. 

Don't know how many he has left, but guess he'll get some wild cards in the grass season too?  Even then suspect he is running out of chances before he can no longer use a protected ranking.  He definitely needs an easy draw somewhere..


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 25, 2023, 09:01:28 PM
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How long does a protected ranking last?

A player can use a protected ranking for the first nine tournaments they compete in using the Entry Protection or for up to nine months, beginning with the first tennis event that the player competes in, whichever happens first. This excludes wild cards and entries as a Direct Acceptance, should the true ranking allow this.

If a player is physically injured and does not compete in any tennis event for twelve months or longer, the entry protection shall be in effect for the first twelve singles tournaments and the first twelve doubles tournaments that the player competes in using the entry protection or for the period up to twelve months beginning with the first tennis event that the player competes in, whichever occurs first.

his first event back last year in the singles was Washington 1st of August so presuming he is good till then


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 30, 2023, 07:51:11 PM
Cash and Patten get there French open off tomorrow great to see an all British doubles team climbing the rankings all ready alot of good men in the top 50 but they don't seem to work together as a pairing

In the women Barnett and Nichols are the only Brits involved  would be good too see them break into the top 50 in the next month or too.


a younger pair just missed out on the french, Collins and Christie hopefully they can get there ranking up to get a place at Wimbledon



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on June 01, 2023, 06:48:37 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/65776353


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Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 06, 2023, 06:20:04 PM
This Surbiton w100 event could be interesting. The best British performer is likely to be British number one by the end of the week?  Also Isabelle Lacy won earlier and that seems a great result by a 16 year old newcomer. Don't know much about her, but If she carries on she could play herself into a wildcard in Wimbledon qualifying.

FWIW not sure what people expected with Raducanu's coach.  She has just had 3 operations and won't be playing for 6 months or so.  It seems reasonable for the relationship to end temporarily at best.  Maybe there is a chance of her restarting with Richardson given she'll be starting low again, albeit with a protected ranking? 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 12, 2023, 06:24:42 PM
This week is Nottingham.  Don't know what has happened to Dan Evans, but Murray seems to have replaced him as top seed.  Hopefully he'll still be around on Sunday, but even a win isn't enough for a seeding at Wimbledon.

The British girls seemed to do as well in qualifying for a WTA event as I can remember with 4 of them making it through. 

Boulter is current UK number 1, but may only last a week. 6 players could finish the week as UK number 1, including the much maligned Heather Watson.  Watson has already won in the first round, having come through qualifying.  Even Raducanu could be back at number 1, as Boulter loses points this week.   

Barring Raducanu, the others could all earn direct entry to Wimbledon, though think all 5 plays Kartal (over Miyazaki?) get wildcards to round 1.  It would obviously be helpful to Miyazaki and Jones if one or two of the others qualify for Wimbledon.  Presumably one wildcard goes to Venus Williams and I don't know who else is lurking and hoping for one.

Looks like Dart and Watson are (hoping to be) playing doubles at Wimbledon too, as they are playing together at Nottingham.  Maybe Watson isn't planning on dropping out from tennis quite so soon?







Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 12, 2023, 08:39:37 PM
"Hopefully he'll still be around on Sunday, but even a win isn't enough for a seeding at Wimbledon."

a win and a decent performance at Queens could get him there, or is seeding set before Queens? i thought it was after and before Eastbourne


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 13, 2023, 12:08:59 AM
"Hopefully he'll still be around on Sunday, but even a win isn't enough for a seeding at Wimbledon."

a win and a decent performance at Queens could get him there, or is seeding set before Queens? i thought it was after and before Eastbourne

He is defending points from Stuttgart last year so it this week it is about maintaining those points and then he can win some at Queens next week. Maybe quarter final needed or even semi in the 500 event?

Interesting he chose the challenger rather than going to Stuttgart again this year. It is a weak field down there, but I am happy to see Nick K back!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 15, 2023, 03:55:33 PM
It looks like we are very likely to have at least one British girl in the final of the Nottingham Open on Sunday.  Dart, Boulter and Watson are all in to the quarter finals in the bottom half of the draw together with Golubic (who was beaten by Boulter in Surbiton).

So we are likely to see somebody in the top 100, and a possible first WTA title for Dart or Boulter.  If Burrage can win now, all the seeds will be out, and the whole tournament has opened up.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 15, 2023, 05:44:56 PM
It looks like we are very likely to have at least one British girl in the final of the Nottingham Open on Sunday.  Dart, Boulter and Watson are all in to the quarter finals in the bottom half of the draw together with Golubic (who was beaten by Boulter in Surbiton).

So we are likely to see somebody in the top 100, and a possible first WTA title for Dart or Boulter.  If Burrage can win now, all the seeds will be out, and the whole tournament has opened up.



And Jodie Burrage wins too.

We are the greatest tennis nation in the World all of a sudden...  Mad that none of them were good enough to get in the main draw (might be wrong with Burrage, as she seemed to get in without a wild card, so it was probably calculated on her points before she lost last year's Surbiton results).



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 16, 2023, 06:16:17 PM
It looks like we are very likely to have at least one British girl in the final of the Nottingham Open on Sunday.  Dart, Boulter and Watson are all in to the quarter finals in the bottom half of the draw together with Golubic (who was beaten by Boulter in Surbiton).

So we are likely to see somebody in the top 100, and a possible first WTA title for Dart or Boulter.  If Burrage can win now, all the seeds will be out, and the whole tournament has opened up.



And Jodie Burrage wins too.

We are the greatest tennis nation in the World all of a sudden...  Mad that none of them were good enough to get in the main draw (might be wrong with Burrage, as she seemed to get in without a wild card, so it was probably calculated on her points before she lost last year's Surbiton results).



And 3 out of 4 in the semis, and chances of an all British final with all the really dangerous players gone. 

There is going to be a British pair in the women's doubles final too.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2023, 06:46:26 PM
just need paddy or skybet to offer 25/1 a british women's winner of wimbledon now to suck all the mugs in!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 16, 2023, 07:11:17 PM
just need paddy or skybet to offer 25/1 a british women's winner of wimbledon now to suck all the mugs in!

And they'd still only lay you 80p.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 16, 2023, 08:58:19 PM
entry rankings all ready fixed for Wimbledon Burrage is 9th alternate and might get in without a wildcard but she will be the only one (Emma is 5th on list)  rest will all be looking for wildcards


https://www.wimbledon.com/pdf/update/referees/2023/LS_Entries.pdf


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 16, 2023, 09:31:37 PM
Norrie and Murray are teaming up in the doubles for Queens next week. Or they are entered IF Andy wins tomorrow will he still want to put his body through the singles and doubles?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2023, 09:51:51 PM
Is the queens singles entry list out yet?  Used to be the best non masters series event of the year for me 15+ years ago.  Dropped off massively since then.   Bar Federer they virtually all turned up to play it.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
https://www.dartsrankings.com/tennis/queens

Just realised the best darts rankings site online is also as good for tennis entries!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 17, 2023, 11:34:27 AM
just need paddy or skybet to offer 25/1 a british women's winner of wimbledon now to suck all the mugs in!

Paddy Power are 500/1 Katie Boulter.  Katie Swan and Jodie Burrage were only 200/1, not really sure why that is.  Think Boulter is better than both.  Can get the same at Shy and Betfair.  

Probably a bad price, but got to gamble at 1/2 first 2.  

Edit.  They laid me £2.50 e/w and Shy £2 e/w FWIW. Can get the same price on Alize Cornet, so I did.  Feels like you have to go with current grass form at these prices.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 17, 2023, 11:44:50 AM
Is anyone around Nottingham tomorrow?  Missus is ill so might have a spare ticket.  It is due to rain on and off and I'll have the kids with me.  Starts at 11. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 17, 2023, 12:55:03 PM
https://www.dartsrankings.com/tennis/queens

Just realised the best darts rankings site online is also as good for tennis entries!

yeah was running a beta for the women's as well last season but it stopped all of a sudden


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 17, 2023, 01:26:44 PM
Queens entry list
https://www.menstennisforums.com/threads/queens-entry-list.1018852/

Halle seems to get the stronger field these days. I guess they don't have to spend all that money to get Federer to play there any more so they spread it around a bit? :)

EDIT - just seen Arb's link. That's a good site, cheers!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 17, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
Burrage Boulter final, and England cricketers playing way more aggressively than Australia.  Who was backing that a couple of years ago?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 18, 2023, 12:06:29 PM
Wimbledon mens odds
 
Djork is rightly odds on
Alcaraz is 2nd favourite at 5-1

Kyrgious is 25-1
Andy is 40-1
Norrie 150-1+

If i was interested in making money (and had money to lose) i think i would be backing against Murray in most matches he plays Massive difference between the players he is playing on the challenger tour now and what he can expect at Wimbledon even if he does sneak into a seeded spot. Also alot of his price would be from punters remembering his glory years.
If Kyrgious keeps his mind on the game he can beat anyone and i think the 25-1 is good value
Norrie  SF last year will have home field advantage and all his matches on a show court the energy to run all day for 5 set matches.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 18, 2023, 12:29:07 PM
It is a wasteland out there in the mens draw. I'm struggling.

I am a Kyrgios fanboy but I really doubt he can get through 6 five set matches to get to the final this year (he didn't even have to do that last year!). He has barely played. I guess let's see how he is in Halle next week. Fitness has always been a problem, as well as injuries and the mental side. Far too many questions at that price.

Berrettini has a great game for grass but lost 6-1, 6-2 in his first match for two months, so can't really touch him.

Alcaraz only has five matches on grass on his entire life. He is amazing but can't back him at that price, though I think he will definitely be in the other side of the draw to Djok, right, so maybe he just gets it done with raw talent.

Then you've got Ruud, Sinner, Medvedev who could all definitely make the final if in the other half to Djok, but I don't see any of them beating him. I don't think Tsitspas' game suits grass whatsoever, I end up watching him quite a bit because my mum loves him.

How about Fritz? He has won Eastbourne twice on grass and looking back, has mostly lost to top seeds at Wimbledon. Zverev x2, Nadal last year.

Agree to probably back against Murray on a match by match basis.

Norrie at 150 is certainly interesting.

I guess the move is to just wait for the draw and pick a few each way flyers in the other side of the draw to Djok?



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 18, 2023, 12:29:52 PM
or just back Djok. PUKE


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 18, 2023, 12:36:06 PM
Burrage, Boulter is interesting.

I had Burrage close to her after watching the last few matches.  She has improved enormously over the last couple of years.

Have laid Boulter at 1.54 and think it is a great bet.

Quite sad in Nottingham today, walked past the Dart/Watson match and less than 20 there.  It is on court 1, but they have only sold centre and Match was rescheduled. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 18, 2023, 01:05:38 PM
Burrage, Boulter is interesting.

I had Burrage close to her after watching the last few matches.  She has improved enormously over the last couple of years.

Have laid Boulter at 1.54 and think it is a great bet.

Quite sad in Nottingham today, walked past the Dart/Watson match and less than 20 there.  It is on court 1, but they have only sold centre and Match was rescheduled. 

How is it at Nottingham, are the mens matches getting bigger crowds and hype even though on paper the Challenger is a step below the women's 250?

I have had a little bet on Burrage for a sweat on your recommendation! Have not followed the tournament this week there on the ladies side.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 18, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
Burrage, Boulter is interesting.

I had Burrage close to her after watching the last few matches.  She has improved enormously over the last couple of years.

Have laid Boulter at 1.54 and think it is a great bet.

Quite sad in Nottingham today, walked past the Dart/Watson match and less than 20 there.  It is on court 1, but they have only sold centre and Match was rescheduled. 

How is it at Nottingham, are the mens matches getting bigger crowds and hype even though on paper the Challenger is a step below the women's 250?

I have had a little bet on Burrage for a sweat on your recommendation! Have not followed the tournament this week there on the ladies side.

Am only here today.  I think Men's challer is > women's double final, and we have really good seats right behind Andy Murray, hence not moving. 

I came last year and would say WTA final was better supported than the men's final despite Dan Evans in the latter.  We are in the gap between matches so less than half full now, but natural time to eat.  We sneaked out between sets as I have grumpy kids with me.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 18, 2023, 02:01:34 PM
Ok I am on Struff at 250s each way for Wimbledon at bf and pp. Small interest. I honesltly think he has a really good game for grass, he serves quite well and he has improved a lot. They have tennis on in the casino in Berlin when a German plays so I watched him several times this season.

He never got it together on grass before but he did lose to some top people at wimbledon in recent years and never got a clean draw. He has an ATP final today on the green stuff. This seems like a good bet to me with lots of upside, and he should be seeded too I believe - so he is my guy!  Fingers crossed for the draw.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on June 18, 2023, 02:06:22 PM
Enjoy!

Burrage, Boulter is interesting.

I had Burrage close to her after watching the last few matches.  She has improved enormously over the last couple of years.

Have laid Boulter at 1.54 and think it is a great bet.

Quite sad in Nottingham today, walked past the Dart/Watson match and less than 20 there.  It is on court 1, but they have only sold centre and Match was rescheduled. 

How is it at Nottingham, are the mens matches getting bigger crowds and hype even though on paper the Challenger is a step below the women's 250?

I have had a little bet on Burrage for a sweat on your recommendation! Have not followed the tournament this week there on the ladies side.

Am only here today.  I think Men's challer is > women's double final, and we have really good seats right behind Andy Murray, hence not moving. 

I came last year and would say WTA final was better supported than the men's final despite Dan Evans in the latter.  We are in the gap between matches so less than half full now, but natural time to eat.  We sneaked out between sets as I have grumpy kids with me.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 18, 2023, 02:18:09 PM
Andy's drawn de Minaur in first round at Queens think he needs to make semis to get seeded for wimbledon


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 18, 2023, 02:23:14 PM
Boulter is way ahead here unfortunately. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 18, 2023, 04:53:27 PM
Thought Katie Boulter was more impressive than Murray.  Still 500/1 with Paddy Power and Betfair Sportsbook.  Does nobody there even work on a Sunday?  Only 2 weeks until Wimbledon, so 2 weeks for the rest to get their eye in.

Think Cazaux is one for the notebooks.  Was a bit overawed at the start, but have Murray a tough test for someone so inexperienced.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on June 21, 2023, 02:56:13 PM
wild cards for wimble don main draw

men

Goffin
broady
choinski
peniston
fery
loffhagen

ladies
burrage
boulter
dart
swan
watson
svitolina
williams







Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on June 22, 2023, 09:50:42 PM
Thought Katie Boulter was more impressive than Murray.  Still 500/1 with Paddy Power and Betfair Sportsbook.  Does nobody there even work on a Sunday?  Only 2 weeks until Wimbledon, so 2 weeks for the rest to get their eye in.

Think Cazaux is one for the notebooks.  Was a bit overawed at the start, but have Murray a tough test for someone so inexperienced.


He has run good on opponents injuries (when winning) but had reached the semi final in Ilkley.

I have seen it suggested that he should get a wildcard for Wimbledon, so not exactly flying under the radar.

500/1 Boulter and 150/1 Norrie both gone.  Nobody seems to want to play well on the grass amongst the women.  Seeds are getting skittled at Berlin and Edgbaston too.  What chances Dart makes the final?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 03, 2023, 05:57:41 PM
Thought Katie Boulter was more impressive than Murray.  Still 500/1 with Paddy Power and Betfair Sportsbook.  Does nobody there even work on a Sunday?  Only 2 weeks until Wimbledon, so 2 weeks for the rest to get their eye in.

Think Cazaux is one for the notebooks.  Was a bit overawed at the start, but have Murray a tough test for someone so inexperienced.


He has run good on opponents injuries (when winning) but had reached the semi final in Ilkley.

I have seen it suggested that he should get a wildcard for Wimbledon, so not exactly flying under the radar.

500/1 Boulter and 150/1 Norrie both gone.  Nobody seems to want to play well on the grass amongst the women.  Seeds are getting skittled at Berlin and Edgbaston too.  What chances Dart makes the final?

Cazaux didn't get a wild card and went out in round 1 of qualifying, so proper bok there.

Have had the tennis on in the background.  Seems Dart is really misfiring quite a bit this year after her climb in the rankings last year.

Burrage just tonked McNally who is a tough young American and Burrage was 2/1 today.  Makes it look like that 2/1 in the Nottingham final wasn't so bad after all.  Anyway looks like she is set for top 100 now, so think it is between her and Boulter for GB number 1 at the end of the year.  It will be interesting to see when Raducanu can get back to number 1.  Six months ago, I'd say she was well clear of those 2, but it isn't so clear cut anymore.  

Boulter sat down with Burrage after the match in Nottingham and they were all smiles; they are clearly good friends.  Burrage has the better draw now, Boulter looks to have decent games until round 3 where she faces Rybakina. Think Burrage has tougher games, especially Kasatkina, but no impossible game for a while after.  The draw seems to open up after that game.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: tikay on July 05, 2023, 08:19:03 AM
Allegedly, there were 10 hour queues yesterday at Wimbers.


(https://i.imgur.com/Oh0tIjy.png)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 05, 2023, 02:48:12 PM
Allegedly, there were 10 hour queues yesterday at Wimbers.


(https://i.imgur.com/Oh0tIjy.png)

Allegedly extra security checks to make sure people not carrying orange powder.

It is a long time to queue to watch from Henman Hill* in the rain, given no matches on the outside courts.

I don't know how worthwhile it is, as you'd struggle to get to centre court grass from a ground pass (or even the cheap seats) and nobody is going to notice if you do a protest on a first round match on court 6.
Given Centre Court tickets are so hard to come by, you'd have to be a Coutts current account holder to throw one away for an unsuccessful protest.

* Or Boulter Bump, Norrie Knoll or whatever it is this year


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 05, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
Allegedly, there were 10 hour queues yesterday at Wimbers.


(https://i.imgur.com/Oh0tIjy.png)

Allegedly extra security checks to make sure people not carrying orange powder.

It is a long time to queue to watch from Henman Hill* in the rain, given no matches on the outside courts.

I don't know how worthwhile it is, as you'd struggle to get to centre court grass from a ground pass (or even the cheap seats) and nobody is going to notice if you do a protest on a first round match on court 6.
Given Centre Court tickets are so hard to come by, you'd have to be a Coutts current account holder to throw one away for an unsuccessful protest.

* Or Boulter Bump, Norrie Knoll or whatever it is this year


Timing solid on this one.  BBC noticed


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 05, 2023, 08:54:22 PM
Been in hospital since the 30th and today was first tennis I have any of and not much anyone showing signs in first round (should be home tomorrow  or friday)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on July 06, 2023, 11:44:32 AM
All the best Ironside. Hope you get home soon.

Had a good day at Wimbledon with my mum on Monday. Was really glad of the massive queue for groundpasses as we got in at 10:30 with our court two tickets and a very small queue and managed to get a seat courtside on a small outside court to see a five set epic between Jordan Thompson and Nakashima. Great comeback as Thompson looked completely out of it for two sets and then started serve volleying - I've never seen a full five setter in person before so it was pretty cool. By 2pm after the short rain delay it was noticably much much fuller, so we spent most of the rest of the time in our court two seats. Interestingly our seats were right next to the player boxes, next to coach and family. So we saw Katie Swan's muted and disappointing performance and her coaches useless encouragement against a frustrated and under par Bencic and Dan Evans looking incredibly low on confidence go two sets down as the light got darker. Wouldn't bet on Evans to win a match in the near future after that, he looked completely shot, full of self doubt.

Glad we weren't there on Tuesday for all the rain

Thiem vs Tsitsipas was match of the tourney so far. Great drama and I'm sure Murray was enjoying watching a five setter with his feet up at home.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 06, 2023, 01:23:32 PM
All the best Ironside. Hope you get home soon.

Had a good day at Wimbledon with my mum on Monday. Was really glad of the massive queue for groundpasses as we got in at 10:30 with our court two tickets and a very small queue and managed to get a seat courtside on a small outside court to see a five set epic between Jordan Thompson and Nakashima. Great comeback as Thompson looked completely out of it for two sets and then started serve volleying - I've never seen a full five setter in person before so it was pretty cool. By 2pm after the short rain delay it was noticably much much fuller, so we spent most of the rest of the time in our court two seats. Interestingly our seats were right next to the player boxes, next to coach and family. So we saw Katie Swan's muted and disappointing performance and her coaches useless encouragement against a frustrated and under par Bencic and Dan Evans looking incredibly low on confidence go two sets down as the light got darker. Wouldn't bet on Evans to win a match in the near future after that, he looked completely shot, full of self doubt.

Glad we weren't there on Tuesday for all the rain

Thiem vs Tsitsipas was match of the tourney so far. Great drama and I'm sure Murray was enjoying watching a five setter with his feet up at home.

Think that is maybe how Evans is?  Saw him at Nottingham last year and he was pretty dour and chastising himself when winning the whole tournament too.  Don't think I'll be backing him, Swan or Dart anytime soon.  Dart seemed to lose it for no reason when losing to Boulter the other week, but she is frequently spikey too.

Was looking to back Murray last night, but he was odds on and the odds looked about right.  Think Murray could go far in this though.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 06, 2023, 05:08:55 PM
Well, I wasn't expecting that.  Great stuff from Liam Broadly.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 06, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
Was flicking between the 2 matches unreal by broady


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: 4KSuited on July 06, 2023, 09:00:55 PM
All the best Ironside. Hope you get home soon.

Had a good day at Wimbledon with my mum on Monday. Was really glad of the massive queue for groundpasses as we got in at 10:30 with our court two tickets and a very small queue and managed to get a seat courtside on a small outside court to see a five set epic between Jordan Thompson and Nakashima. Great comeback as Thompson looked completely out of it for two sets and then started serve volleying - I've never seen a full five setter in person before so it was pretty cool. By 2pm after the short rain delay it was noticably much much fuller, so we spent most of the rest of the time in our court two seats. Interestingly our seats were right next to the player boxes, next to coach and family. So we saw Katie Swan's muted and disappointing performance and her coaches useless encouragement against a frustrated and under par Bencic and Dan Evans looking incredibly low on confidence go two sets down as the light got darker. Wouldn't bet on Evans to win a match in the near future after that, he looked completely shot, full of self doubt.

Glad we weren't there on Tuesday for all the rain

Thiem vs Tsitsipas was match of the tourney so far. Great drama and I'm sure Murray was enjoying watching a five setter with his feet up at home.
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I was lucky enough to be there on Court 2 yesterday. The first time I've been on that court, and I must say that it was a far better spectator experience than on Centre Court or Court 1 IMO

The rain delays were a pain, of course, but the Kostyuk turnaround was remarkable to witness, and I think she benefited enormously from the rain breaks. And then there was the Thiem / Tsitsipas match. The vast majority of the crowd were supporting Thiem, so he'll be a little more prepared for tonight's match. Amazing, top quality tennis - which is always far more impressive IRL - throughout a match that could have gone either way until the final tie-break


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 07, 2023, 06:19:34 PM
well last GB man standing in the singles and the only one in the 3rd round Broady didn't see that at the start of the week lets hope he can get past Shapalov and into the 4rd round


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 08, 2023, 10:04:08 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1677310136937742340?t=pALk-Po1dhZzPb3cmyh2rg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1677310136937742340?t=pALk-Po1dhZzPb3cmyh2rg&s=19)

Congratulations  ;applause;

I heard Katie Boulter described as the last Brit standing on the radio too.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 12, 2023, 10:17:59 AM
Bains/Lumsden are 1 win away from being top British  ladies doubles team. Playing the 3 seeds so not going to be easy.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 12, 2023, 02:16:24 PM
Bains/Lumsden are 1 win away from being top British  ladies doubles team. Playing the 3 seeds so not going to be easy.

Looks like they got hammered.  Was hoping they were going to do better, but great result for them.

Maia Lumsden almost quit after getting long COVID in 2020(?) and Naiktha Bains came home around the same time after spending her formative years in Australia.  Obviously hoping to do a Konta, but seemed to be going backwards until Wimbledon.  I am pretty sure another female Brit tennis player jacked it in completely after COVID, but can't recall her name.  Not bad for a virus that doesn't harm young people (c) pathological Clare. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on July 12, 2023, 03:40:00 PM
yeah wasnt pleasant watching.

enjoying the doubles especially the all British teams

cash and pattern in the men were doing well but they think pattern got injured a month ago


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on July 15, 2023, 10:28:02 PM
Raducanu can hold the baton of British number 1 until Hannah Klugman comes of age.

Bump

https://twitter.com/LTACompetitions/status/1504788711577427968?t=47dfv_3gEpZoiINtM7vX5w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/LTACompetitions/status/1504788711577427968?t=47dfv_3gEpZoiINtM7vX5w&s=19)



And makes it to the final of the junior girls doubles at age 14. 

Isabelle Lacy has made a decent start at senior level 2.

And Henry Searle has made it to the junior boys final too.

I think British Tennis will be fine.  Just wish I could watch, but got to do the Dad thing tomorrow afternoon.  Obviously hoping Alcaraz wins too.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: nirvana on July 17, 2023, 06:51:48 PM
Can't remember last time I watched Tennis but it's a long time. Some elements reminded me of why i started to find it unwatchable, grunting, fist pumping, constantly looking up towards your team. Still, was a pretty great game to watch.

Obvs rooting for the GOAT but was good to see Alcaraz for the first time in the flesh. Pretty amazing player. Gonna win it all that boy


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on August 24, 2023, 01:45:47 PM
Dan Evans looking incredibly low on confidence go two sets down as the light got darker. Wouldn't bet on Evans to win a match in the near future after that, he looked completely shot, full of self doubt.

This prediction worked out well!


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 24, 2023, 02:20:16 PM
Dan Evans looking incredibly low on confidence go two sets down as the light got darker. Wouldn't bet on Evans to win a match in the near future after that, he looked completely shot, full of self doubt.

This prediction worked out well!

Ha, was quite sympathetic to your thinking too.  Kind of think he was grumpy and chastising himself whilst collecting the trophy. 

Paulo Lorenzi was older in case you are wondering.

We could have 5 in the top 100 men soon.  Draper should be back soon enough and Broady on the borders.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 24, 2023, 02:46:40 PM
Dan Evans looking incredibly low on confidence go two sets down as the light got darker. Wouldn't bet on Evans to win a match in the near future after that, he looked completely shot, full of self doubt.

This prediction worked out well!

Ha, was quite sympathetic to your thinking too.  Kind of think he was grumpy and chastising himself whilst collecting the trophy. 

Paulo Lorenzi was older in case you are wondering.

We could have 5 in the top 100 men soon.  Draper should be back soon enough and Broady on the borders.

i wasnt watching drapers 2nd match when he pulled out this week was it just to protect himself for next week?
he looked good in the first round


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 24, 2023, 08:19:28 PM
Dan Evans looking incredibly low on confidence go two sets down as the light got darker. Wouldn't bet on Evans to win a match in the near future after that, he looked completely shot, full of self doubt.

This prediction worked out well!

Ha, was quite sympathetic to your thinking too.  Kind of think he was grumpy and chastising himself whilst collecting the trophy. 

Paulo Lorenzi was older in case you are wondering.

We could have 5 in the top 100 men soon.  Draper should be back soon enough and Broady on the borders.

i wasnt watching drapers 2nd match when he pulled out this week was it just to protect himself for next week?
he looked good in the first round

I assume he is just looking after himself after a long injury.  He has Hurcacz in round 2 and has 3rd round points to defend, so maybe top 100 will have to wait a bit. 

He doesn't get nearly the same amount of grief as Raducanu, but can't be far off with his injuries.   Would be good to see them both go injury free next year.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 29, 2023, 05:58:03 PM
how does the lucky loser work ? i thought it was the highest seeded player to lose in the last qualifying round!
Broady was the 10th seed but Duckworth and Cazaux both got in as LL ahead of him


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on August 29, 2023, 09:08:13 PM
how does the lucky loser work ? i thought it was the highest seeded player to lose in the last qualifying round!
Broady was the 10th seed but Duckworth and Cazaux both got in as LL ahead of him

Maybe he didn't sign in for some reason to get the spot? I guess it could also be done on ranking today and not at the time of the seedings. Not sure though...


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 29, 2023, 09:26:16 PM
how does the lucky loser work ? i thought it was the highest seeded player to lose in the last qualifying round!
Broady was the 10th seed but Duckworth and Cazaux both got in as LL ahead of him

It is a draw amongst the highest ranked players that were eliminated in the last round.  So Cazaux and Duckworth had the same chance as him.

Edit.  Just checked and Broady was drawn 4th of the 4 highest seeds, so needed 4 withdrawals. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 30, 2023, 02:06:17 AM
7 brits entered 1st round
7 brits make it too 2nd round

Making Britain great again


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 30, 2023, 01:30:52 PM
7 brits entered 1st round
7 brits make it too 2nd round

Making Britain great again

Great stuff. I watched a few games as well as off sick.  Miyazaki had a dream draw, but the others all seemed to be good wins.  Miyazaki now ahead of Dart and Swan and not far behind Watson. 

I am not sure what is going on with Swan as haven't heard anything.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 30, 2023, 06:00:15 PM
i know your more a singles fan than doubles (i am other way) but have you noticed cash/pattern's climb up the rankings
they missed the French and Wimbledon this year when Patten was injured and cash and his stand ins did nothing.

just outside the top 50 now mainly with results on the challenger tour.

would love too see them get just a little higher so they can make the main draws of the bigger events



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 31, 2023, 05:33:48 PM
i know your more a singles fan than doubles (i am other way) but have you noticed cash/pattern's climb up the rankings
they missed the French and Wimbledon this year when Patten was injured and cash and his stand ins did nothing.

just outside the top 50 now mainly with results on the challenger tour.

would love too see them get just a little higher so they can make the main draws of the bigger events


Don't really pay much attention, but have vaguely followed them.

Now TV very annoying.  Boulter playing the girl in form and they switched it off for Murray. Am hoping Draper does Hurkacz quickly so we can see the end.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on August 31, 2023, 06:36:00 PM
i know your more a singles fan than doubles (i am other way) but have you noticed cash/pattern's climb up the rankings
they missed the French and Wimbledon this year when Patten was injured and cash and his stand ins did nothing.

just outside the top 50 now mainly with results on the challenger tour.

would love too see them get just a little higher so they can make the main draws of the bigger events


Don't really pay much attention, but have vaguely followed them.

Now TV very annoying.  Boulter playing the girl in form and they switched it off for Murray. Am hoping Draper does Hurkacz quickly so we can see the end.



For those on Now TV, it is still possible to watch on Betfair tiny screen.  Fairly maddening they didn't even go to the last Boulter game even after Draper had won.  Waffle then adverts... 

Quite the double for GB there anyway.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on August 31, 2023, 06:57:11 PM
i know your more a singles fan than doubles (i am other way) but have you noticed cash/pattern's climb up the rankings
they missed the French and Wimbledon this year when Patten was injured and cash and his stand ins did nothing.

just outside the top 50 now mainly with results on the challenger tour.

would love too see them get just a little higher so they can make the main draws of the bigger events


Don't really pay much attention, but have vaguely followed them.

Now TV very annoying.  Boulter playing the girl in form and they switched it off for Murray. Am hoping Draper does Hurkacz quickly so we can see the end.



For those on Now TV, it is still possible to watch on Betfair tiny screen.  Fairly maddening they didn't even go to the last Boulter game even after Draper had won.  Waffle then adverts... 

Quite the double for GB there anyway.

when watching on betfair click on the pop up then zoom on your browser 500% and its like watching full screen and about 2 seconds ahead of SKY


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 06, 2023, 09:04:51 PM
Hannah Klugman has made the last 8 of the US Open girls at 14, beating the girl who beat her at Wimbledon. She is still in the doubles too.  She is quite a bit younger than my eldest who is doing her GCSEs this year.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 07, 2023, 07:43:34 PM
Hannah Klugman has made the last 8 of the US Open girls at 14, beating the girl who beat her at Wimbledon. She is still in the doubles too.  She is quite a bit younger than my eldest who is doing her GCSEs this year.

Well Tikay would be proud of that bok.   Didn't win a game and retired at 0-6, 0-3. Looks like the heat got to her.  Can't see her making the doubles as she'll be due on fairly soon. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 17, 2023, 10:02:58 PM
Bloody hell, did anyone see that?

GB 0-40 and 4-5 down in the final set and just won.  Don't even think the French did much wrong.  Seemed on top for nearly all that doubles.

Can confirm Dan Evans is in form.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 23, 2023, 04:26:08 PM
Anyone know why Cash and Pattern are playing with different partners this week and next?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 24, 2023, 09:26:11 PM
Anyone know why Cash and Pattern are playing with different partners this week and next?

Don't know, could be just that Patten doesn't want to trawl round China.  Feels like a mistake if so, as a lot of tournaments are a bit soft right now as people wind down.  I saw someone tweet last week that Guadalajara was a really soft WTA 1000 and it was a good chance for Sakkari, and she went ahead and won it.

In other news, Liam Broady has made it to the top 100 not long before his 30th birthday.  Must have been a hell of a slog over the years for him.  Guess he is making a profit at last, and will get straight into the Aussie Open.

And Dart and Burrage have made it through qualifying to their tournaments in Asia.  Good to see them both competing.  Finally found out why Katie Swan isn't playing much, she has aggravated an old back injury.  I assume she is going to be ably to protect her ranking a bit, but it will still be a struggle to get back near the top 100.  Way more chance for Radacanu as she has more atlent and is bound to get more wild cards.




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 24, 2023, 09:36:54 PM
Anyone know why Cash and Pattern are playing with different partners this week and next?

Don't know, could be just that Patten doesn't want to trawl round China.  Feels like a mistake if so, as a lot of tournaments are a bit soft right now as people wind down.  I saw someone tweet last week that Guadalajara was a really soft WTA 1000 and it was a good chance for Sakkari, and she went ahead and won it.

In other news, Liam Broady has made it to the top 100 not long before his 30th birthday.  Must have been a hell of a slog over the years for him.  Guess he is making a profit at last, and will get straight into the Aussie Open.

And Dart and Burrage have made it through qualifying to their tournaments in Asia.  Good to see them both competing.  Finally found out why Katie Swan isn't playing much, she has aggravated an old back injury.  I assume she is going to be ably to protect her ranking a bit, but it will still be a struggle to get back near the top 100.  Way more chance for Radacanu as she has more atlent and is bound to get more wild cards.




Jack Draper not able to get protected ranking entries? i noticed he has been playing in smaller events


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on September 25, 2023, 12:09:53 AM
Anyone know why Cash and Pattern are playing with different partners this week and next?

Don't know, could be just that Patten doesn't want to trawl round China.  Feels like a mistake if so, as a lot of tournaments are a bit soft right now as people wind down.  I saw someone tweet last week that Guadalajara was a really soft WTA 1000 and it was a good chance for Sakkari, and she went ahead and won it.

In other news, Liam Broady has made it to the top 100 not long before his 30th birthday.  Must have been a hell of a slog over the years for him.  Guess he is making a profit at last, and will get straight into the Aussie Open.

And Dart and Burrage have made it through qualifying to their tournaments in Asia.  Good to see them both competing.  Finally found out why Katie Swan isn't playing much, she has aggravated an old back injury.  I assume she is going to be ably to protect her ranking a bit, but it will still be a struggle to get back near the top 100.  Way more chance for Radacanu as she has more atlent and is bound to get more wild cards.




Jack Draper not able to get protected ranking entries? i noticed he has been playing in smaller events

You are limited to how many times you use protected rankings.  I think it is 12 times.  So if you aren't feeling up to competing at the highest level yet, there is no point wasting one of the 12. As Draper is on the borders of top 100, and never top 32, then I don't think he needs it for slams.  Guess he'd use it for 1000s or 500s when he gets to near full fitness, though not entirely sure on best strat.

Kyle Edmund can't have many events left now, and dare say he could have used it better?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on September 25, 2023, 10:55:12 AM
Edmund has either used them all now or has 1 left


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 01, 2023, 04:23:01 PM
Anyone know why Cash and Pattern are playing with different partners this week and next?

Don't know, could be just that Patten doesn't want to trawl round China.  Feels like a mistake if so, as a lot of tournaments are a bit soft right now as people wind down. 




Both played in same event this week cash getting knocked out in round one and patten making the final

both in same comp again next week

cash seems to have linked up with the American Galloway and patten trying out another new partner


meanwhile draper is playing in the final on challenger tour tv and back into the top 100


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 03, 2023, 11:15:12 PM
Anyone know why Cash and Pattern are playing with different partners this week and next?

Don't know, could be just that Patten doesn't want to trawl round China.  Feels like a mistake if so, as a lot of tournaments are a bit soft right now as people wind down. 




Both played in same event this week cash getting knocked out in round one and patten making the final

both in same comp again next week

cash seems to have linked up with the American Galloway and patten trying out another new partner


meanwhile draper is playing in the final on challenger tour tv and back into the top 100


Saw Draper made the final.  Had a brief hope that we had 5 in the top 100, but Broady has been booted already.

Did you see Boulter today, didn't see any of it, as was working.  Leading both sets 5-4 with the serve against Sabalenka is seriously good going; even if she lost both in the end.  Did you watch it?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 04, 2023, 12:27:38 PM
i had a rerun on in background yesterday, I had expected her to do poorly but she put on a fight and had her chances. Will be interesting to see if she can push up the rankings next season.

Edmund is back this week starting at the bottom in a 15 is going to be along haul unless he gets some invites


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 04, 2023, 09:58:57 PM


Edmund is back this week starting at the bottom in a 15 is going to be along haul unless he gets some invites

oh no he isn't retired 3-4 down in first set


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 07, 2023, 02:55:57 AM

Saw Draper made the final.  Had a brief hope that we had 5 in the top 100, but Broady has been booted already.


Broady is up 7 places and back into top 100 without playing this week. According to https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-live-ranking

thats the 5 men in top 100


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: ash190 on October 07, 2023, 03:33:30 AM
Sounds like Davis Cup day one was a rollercoaster ride with Cam Norrie pulling off the comeback of the century


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 13, 2023, 01:00:28 PM
My first reaction was why is Watson still getting picked, but assume she is only in for the doubles (with Dart?)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/67098077 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/67098077)

Think squad works ok like this, but harsh on Barnett/Nicholls who are currently on their way to a possible WTA125 final.

Still think you don't need Watson,  with Dart much more capable of deputising in the singles if there is an issue with Boulter or Burrage.  And Barnett/Nicholls are your best doubles team, and if Dart has played a singles match, it will be detrimental to a Dart/Watson team?

And who do they pick as 5 now?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 13, 2023, 01:07:15 PM

Saw Draper made the final.  Had a brief hope that we had 5 in the top 100, but Broady has been booted already.


Broady is up 7 places and back into top 100 without playing this week. According to https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-live-ranking

thats the 5 men in top 100

I don't think they were ever officially in at the same time.  The temporary rankings delete the rankings from the same week in the previous year, but people can still overtake by the end of the week..

Broady is still listed outside the top 100, and don't think he has been officially inside this month. 

We giving up on Edmund yet?  Sad he can't even win in the first round of small ITF tournaments currently though one time was defeated by the heat.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 13, 2023, 09:50:32 PM
Barnett/Nicholls got some horrid draws in the few big events they got into, meanwhile they weren't playing in the smaller events and defending points so rankings took a tumble. At one point they were the 3rd ranked GB team after Baines/Lumsden and Christie/Collins. With 3 teams all ranked around the same and Barnett/Nicholls still only ranked 2nd it would be a tough call. Last time round they got the nod when a top4 singles player pulled out and this could be the case again.

Lumsden looks like she might be injured and Christie/Collins look like they are trying new partners.

Edmunds i have no idea where he goes from here, before his last injury in the summer he was showing signs of "game" but he was chasing the big events rather than building from challengers. Going to be a hard struggle to get back into the top 250 never mind the top 100.

Cash is into the final of Malaga with Galloway, Pattern beaten in the QF shame too see them split  after such a run in the past 18 months



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 14, 2023, 09:32:07 AM
Didn't realise they had fallen so far, do they get the number 1 ranking back if they win today.

Just had a thought, Tara Moore has disappeared from the news.  Couldn't see any recent news stories, she has deleted her twitter and is now showing as a former tennis player on Wikipedia.  Wikipedia has no recent news and there is no reference for the "former".

I couldn't even find the length of her ban.  Did she just retire after getting suspended?  Or do we just assume it is what happened until hearing otherwise.  Quite a difference to Simona Halep who seems to still crop up frequently.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 14, 2023, 03:50:42 PM
even if they won the event they would still be 2 and 4 in the rankings behind Lumsden 1 and Baines 3

as it happens they are 3 and 5 with  Watson into a F this week and will take the 3rd spot with a win


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 14, 2023, 08:06:45 PM
Edmund is down for qualifying rounds of Glasgow in 1 weeks time and Sunderland in 2 weeks time, not even getting wildcards into the main draw for these events is going to be a long hard slog. Though maybe he wants to qualies to get him some game time


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 16, 2023, 05:08:21 PM
Not getting any easier for Norrie, 17th in live rankings means unseeded and playing Fritz (1 seed) in the first round in Tokoyo. Draper playing Alec De-M 3am tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 19, 2023, 08:26:50 PM
Not getting any easier for Norrie, 17th in live rankings means unseeded and playing Fritz (1 seed) in the first round in Tokoyo. Draper playing Alec De-M 3am tomorrow morning.

Both gone

FWIW Edmund has won 3 matches at Edgbaston.

Of more interest for the future, Hannah Klugman has won 2 in an ITF W100 at Shrewsbury.  Just beaten Miyazaki.  She was the youngest to ever qualify for one and is still only 14.  

She will be the only 14 year old in the top 1000 on the WTA rankings; if she wins the next match, she'll be ranked higher than any 15 year olds. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 20, 2023, 06:57:28 PM
That's a final for Edmunds, now think it a futures 25, so 16 points atleast, 25 if he can get the win

it's a start

Klugman took a player just outside the top 100 to 3 sets should be an interesting watch over the next 6 seasons or so

think i seen her in the girls doubles event at Wimbledon or US open not sure which but name rings a bell



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on October 30, 2023, 10:53:48 AM
That's a final for Edmunds, now think it a futures 25, so 16 points atleast, 25 if he can get the win

it's a start

Klugman took a player just outside the top 100 to 3 sets should be an interesting watch over the next 6 seasons or so

think i seen her in the girls doubles event at Wimbledon or US open not sure which but name rings a bell



Mimi Xu beat Klugman last week, so that is another young UK prospect.  I don't think Klugman has ever beat her, but Xu is 18 months older.  Both now in the top 1,000.  Presumably both playing over half term and not missing too much school. 

FWIW we officially have 5 in the top 100 for men today as Broady has crept into the last spot. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on October 30, 2023, 04:35:33 PM
OUCH Andy Murray that's going to hurt 5-2 double break up in the 3rd set losing the next 5 games.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 08, 2023, 07:48:41 PM
good win for Draper today and a challenger tour win last week


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 08, 2023, 11:12:11 PM
good win for Draper today and a challenger tour win last week

Yeah he is looking good.  GB crushing in the BJK cup for younger people too.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 11, 2023, 11:25:53 AM
Loads on today.

Draper in ATP final on tennis TV (grrr)
Billie Jean Cup on BBC
BJK junior semi which I think we can watch on YouTube, but USA were on just now.

Good chances to win all 3 here. 

Draper nearly 1/2 in the betting Vs someone way above him in the rankings to win his first ATP title.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 11, 2023, 05:41:23 PM
Burrage collapse after 4-0 up in first set good win for Boulter
Draper beat 2 good players this week but just missing out on the win and a place in the top 50

Davis cup next  thinking it will be Cam and Draper in singles Murray and Skupski in the doubles

that is if Cam plays


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 12, 2023, 09:57:18 AM
Burrage collapse after 4-0 up in first set good win for Boulter
Draper beat 2 good players this week but just missing out on the win and a place in the top 50

Davis cup next  thinking it will be Cam and Draper in singles Murray and Skupski in the doubles

that is if Cam plays

Think it is obviously Draper.  You'd take Cam over Murray, but both out of form.  Murray seems to be throwing away a few games from winning positions, so can't have him in the singles right now.  Do you ever consider Broady?  Good for team spirit and in his best form ever? 

Think you have to play Burrage today.  Got to be better playing a weak opponent today than someone much better when she next plays a BJK tie. She has put the odd bad game in, but played well again next time in the past. 






Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 12, 2023, 01:32:59 PM
Well its a best of 3 match tie, our best via there best in first rubber so i don't play Broady as that would put Draper against Novak. I would put Murray out first against Djork, Draper out vrs there number 2 then Cam/Skupski in the double hopefully after Murray has tired Djork out a little.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 12, 2023, 02:24:43 PM
Burrage collapse after 4-0 up in first set good win for Boulter
Draper beat 2 good players this week but just missing out on the win and a place in the top 50

Davis cup next  thinking it will be Cam and Draper in singles Murray and Skupski in the doubles

that is if Cam plays

Think it is obviously Draper.  You'd take Cam over Murray, but both out of form.  Murray seems to be throwing away a few games from winning positions, so can't have him in the singles right now.  Do you ever consider Broady?  Good for team spirit and in his best form ever? 

Think you have to play Burrage today.  Got to be better playing a weak opponent today than someone much better when she next plays a BJK tie. She has put the odd bad game in, but played well again next time in the past.


They announced Burrage earlier, but it is now going to be Dart. Think Lumsden is there, so might be Lumsden Watson in the doubles?

Not entirely sure, but Dart should be good enough here.

Don't know what this means for Burrage though, future games are going to be harder.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 12, 2023, 05:34:03 PM
well next season HOPEFULLY Emma is back playing. I haven't enjoyed watching Jodie's game since the summer it feels like she cant hold her own serve.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 12, 2023, 05:50:45 PM
well next season HOPEFULLY Emma is back playing. I haven't enjoyed watching Jodie's game since the summer it feels like she cant hold her own serve.

Don't think she has much of a serve.

A fit Raducanu and Boulter would be a decent base for a really solid team.  Can hold the fort until the young ones come though in 3 or 4 years.  We finished 3rd in the BJK juniors, only lost 2 games all week, unfortunately both in the same match.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 15, 2023, 10:44:26 AM
Burrage collapse after 4-0 up in first set good win for Boulter
Draper beat 2 good players this week but just missing out on the win and a place in the top 50

Davis cup next  thinking it will be Cam and Draper in singles Murray and Skupski in the doubles

that is if Cam plays

 Do you ever consider Broady?  Good for team spirit and in his best form ever? 







Broady not option currently as Salisbury comes in as Evans replacement


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 15, 2023, 04:23:28 PM
Did anybody else have any joy in the ballot?

I got centre court tickets for the quarter finals.  Reckon I could have gone to Nottingham for the week on the £165 they cost. 

Looking forward to Raducanu Vs Boulter and Draper Vs Alcaraz. 




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 15, 2023, 05:53:58 PM
Did anybody else have any joy in the ballot?

I got centre court tickets for the quarter finals.  Reckon I could have gone to Nottingham for the week on the £165 they cost. 

Looking forward to Raducanu Vs Boulter and Draper Vs Alcaraz. 




wimbledon next year?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 15, 2023, 07:51:37 PM
Did anybody else have any joy in the ballot?

I got centre court tickets for the quarter finals.  Reckon I could have gone to Nottingham for the week on the £165 they cost. 

Looking forward to Raducanu Vs Boulter and Draper Vs Alcaraz. 




wimbledon next year?

Yep, they sent the emails out yesterday. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 15, 2023, 08:05:26 PM
Did anybody else have any joy in the ballot?

I got centre court tickets for the quarter finals.  Reckon I could have gone to Nottingham for the week on the £165 they cost. 

Looking forward to Raducanu Vs Boulter and Draper Vs Alcaraz. 




wimbledon next year?

Yep, they sent the emails out yesterday. 

nice but surely you want too see Draper Emma and Katie all win there QFs  on centre aagainst top seeds


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 15, 2023, 09:44:37 PM
Did anybody else have any joy in the ballot?

I got centre court tickets for the quarter finals.  Reckon I could have gone to Nottingham for the week on the £165 they cost. 

Looking forward to Raducanu Vs Boulter and Draper Vs Alcaraz. 




wimbledon next year?

Yep, they sent the emails out yesterday. 

nice but surely you want too see Draper Emma and Katie all win there QFs  on centre aagainst top seeds

They only promise me one men's and one women's match.  Will likely just get there early and try and find some Brits on the outside courts for old times sake.   Maybe catch Klugman? 

Reckon Draper is most likely still to be in. 

Who finishes next year as top Brits.  Boulter, Draper or does Norrie regain his form and Raducanu just fly up the rankings?  Think Raducanu is odds on to get back to top 50, but maybe 2025, as some of the noises don't sound promising. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 18, 2023, 01:35:51 PM
Murray out of Davis cup now,


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 19, 2023, 11:22:08 PM
Burrage collapse after 4-0 up in first set good win for Boulter
Draper beat 2 good players this week but just missing out on the win and a place in the top 50

Davis cup next  thinking it will be Cam and Draper in singles Murray and Skupski in the doubles

that is if Cam plays

 Do you ever consider Broady?  Good for team spirit and in his best form ever? 







Broady not option currently as Salisbury comes in as Evans replacement

Bump :)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 20, 2023, 11:14:47 AM
i still stick with Cam versus Novak so that Draper has a chance versus who they pick as No2 and then hope that Skupski and Sailsbury can win the doubles.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on November 22, 2023, 11:25:53 PM
Did anybody else have any joy in the ballot?

I got centre court tickets for the quarter finals.  Reckon I could have gone to Nottingham for the week on the £165 they cost. 

Looking forward to Raducanu Vs Boulter and Draper Vs Alcaraz. 



Nice going!

No luck this year so far for us, but they do send them out in waves I think....

I noticed that the Laver Cup is in Berlin next year. Does anyone take this seriously? It is played for ranking points, right? Or is it just a glorified exhibition?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on November 23, 2023, 10:19:57 PM
Did anybody else have any joy in the ballot?

I got centre court tickets for the quarter finals.  Reckon I could have gone to Nottingham for the week on the £165 they cost. 

Looking forward to Raducanu Vs Boulter and Draper Vs Alcaraz. 



Nice going!

No luck this year so far for us, but they do send them out in waves I think....

I noticed that the Laver Cup is in Berlin next year. Does anyone take this seriously? It is played for ranking points, right? Or is it just a glorified exhibition?

Think it is meant to be more than a glorified exhibition.  Can't say I have any interest in it though.  Weird that I have more interest in tennis day to day than I have golf, but try and watch as much of the Ryder Cup as possible. 

I watched the Davis Cup today and have even been to the BJK cup too, so not really sure why I have no interest.  Think I am just inconsistent; feck the Shergar Cup ad Racing League too (hi Jeremy, how are you doing?).



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 23, 2023, 11:57:57 PM
i watched less than 5 minutes of the laver cup this year. Only year i really paid much attention was the season Federer played his last match.

didn't team world win it before the start of day 3 this year?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on November 26, 2023, 04:51:53 PM
GB men have been given a wildcard into next years Davis cup (so they can host a group) the women need to beat France to get into the BJK cup


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on December 10, 2023, 05:12:39 PM
Klugman has just won the u18 orange bowl in Florida at age 14.  There is an u14 and u16 tournament there but f that.

Does she get a wildcard for the main draw at Wimbledon?  It might be a year too early, but pretty tempting to give one to her? 

Think they could be in short supply with no guarantee any of Burrage, Dart, Swan or Watson get there automatically and Raducanu might need one too. Those around 200 might need to take a step forward.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on December 31, 2023, 12:32:34 PM
good performance by Katie today in the United Cup. Had chances for the first set before losing it and going a double break down in the 2nd set, coming back to beat the world number 5.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 01, 2024, 10:59:21 AM
good performance by Katie today in the United Cup. Had chances for the first set before losing it and going a double break down in the 2nd set, coming back to beat the world number 5.

I was following her from a distance, but didn't see any games.  Several sources said she was playing at top 20 level, which seems a significant step forward if true.  I guess there is still a chance we could get through in the United Cup, but needs a lot of good fortune.

I am looking forward to Raducanu's reappearance, not long to wait now.  Will be interesting to see how far she goes, but looks like she has a proper British rival now.  All the naysayers are already on at her.

I was reading the rules for 14 and 15 year olds the other day, and Klugman was pretty limited to what she could do at 14.  I can't remember what the rules were exactly, but think she can do10 tournaments when 15 and get a wildcard to Wimbledon (don't think she could at 14).

Looks like Andy Murray had a chance earlier, but is struggling to finish games again.  Just wish he could have a run in something soon.

And happy new year to everyone.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 01, 2024, 12:40:36 PM
Can't find the match replays on sky missed Andy's game


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 15, 2024, 05:27:40 PM
My bold predictions for the year

Andy will retire after the US open he will announce it before Wimbledon
Draper will be GB number 1
Norrie won't be seeded at Wimbledon
Watson will focus on doubles now she has a ranking good enough to get her into choice of WTA and her singles ranking is ITF
We will have 2 women seeded for the US open


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 18, 2024, 09:50:24 AM
My bold predictions for the year

Andy will retire after the US open he will announce it before Wimbledon
Draper will be GB number 1
Norrie won't be seeded at Wimbledon
Watson will focus on doubles now she has a ranking good enough to get her into choice of WTA and her singles ranking is ITF
We will have 2 women seeded for the US open


Think Andy retires
Draper will be number 1, but Norrie will be seeded for Wimbledon.  Think we may have 3 men's seeds as Evans is playing well again.
Agree on Watson.
Think 2 women's seeds at US Open is a big ask.  Think Boulter is 50/50.  Burrage is too flakey late in games right now, need to improve her mental game.  Dart can get closer to top 50.  Am pretty sure Raducanu gets to top 32 again, but think the earliest is after US Open.  Think she'll need to get last 8 in a grand slam and/or win a WTA 250 and do pretty well elsewhere. She'll also be unseeded for some time in WTAs and Grand Slams, so could get some dreadful draws. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 18, 2024, 09:27:03 PM
ok one last prediction Edmunds to make the main draw for Aussie open next year. Here is hoping he can stay healthy. Will need wild cards for the grass court season and to make the most of them for this to happen.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 20, 2024, 09:23:28 AM
Best I have seen Norrie play in what seems like a couple of years


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 20, 2024, 09:39:46 AM
ok one last prediction Edmunds to make the main draw for Aussie open next year. Here is hoping he can stay healthy. Will need wild cards for the grass court season and to make the most of them for this to happen.

Can I add Cazaux top 32 by US Open?  Should have done the Cazaux, Norrie double.  I didn't.

Paul Jubb seems to be making a comeback too.  He was hyped a bit 2 or 3 years ago, but is now flying in a challenger on a protected ranking.  Hope he uses it better than Edmund did.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 20, 2024, 10:52:20 AM


Paul Jubb seems to be making a comeback too.  He was hyped a bit 2 or 3 years ago, but is now flying in a challenger on a protected ranking.  Hope he uses it better than Edmund did.

would be impossible to do it worse, Used all for events he wasn't ready for getting beaten or injured early. A win last week and a Semi this afternoon, needs lots of wins for small points to make any impact. But atleast they are confidence builders.

Think Emma will be doing it slowly aswell although she will get invites above her protected ranking anyway


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 20, 2024, 04:47:28 PM


Paul Jubb seems to be making a comeback too.  He was hyped a bit 2 or 3 years ago, but is now flying in a challenger on a protected ranking.  Hope he uses it better than Edmund did.

would be impossible to do it worse, Used all for events he wasn't ready for getting beaten or injured early. A win last week and a Semi this afternoon, needs lots of wins for small points to make any impact. But atleast they are confidence builders.

Think Emma will be doing it slowly aswell although she will get invites above her protected ranking anyway

There is a limit on the number of wild cards she can take, think it is only 3 wta 250 and above tournaments in a year outside slams.  Think she'd likely get US open and Wimbledon is a definite if she is fit.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 20, 2024, 06:12:28 PM
103 protective ranking is likely good enough to get her into the slams so wouldn't need the wildcards for them


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 21, 2024, 06:52:38 PM
Edmunds wins Sunderland25 after Loughborough25 last week, next on his Schedule is the Nottingham challenger week after next but he is 27th on the qualifying alternates list and 65 for main draw. Would of been a good event to use a protected ranking for if he hadn't wasted them on 1000s and 500s when not in match shape.

Glasspool and Pattern have entered Montpellier together, still no idea why Cash and Pattern broke up after such a run up the rankings.

i really want to see a couple of all Brit teams competing week in week out, and getting decent rankings, for the Davis cup and BJK cup.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 22, 2024, 12:20:54 PM
think Norrie played much better than a long time last 2 matches, but i still think he could struggle to remain seeded  for Wimbledon. Think he has points points to defend from early last season and he is much lower ranked this season which will mean less favourable draws.
Hoping he proves me wrong as i am a fan


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 22, 2024, 05:32:37 PM
103 protective ranking is likely good enough to get her into the slams so wouldn't need the wildcards for them

She was touch and go for Australian Open, so not convinced France is a definite.  Think she obviously gets on the other two. 

Read at the weekend she is planning to play ITFs, and she will likely be able to get wildcards to many even if she doesn't get in automatically.  Thinking she probably is planning 100s not 15s.  Can't remember exactly what size they are now, but know the have changed.  Think you can do 75s and 100s now, but that won't get her seeded for US open.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 22, 2024, 05:34:40 PM
think Norrie played much better than a long time last 2 matches, but i still think he could struggle to remain seeded  for Wimbledon. Think he has points points to defend from early last season and he is much lower ranked this season which will mean less favourable draws.
Hoping he proves me wrong as i am a fan

Saw quite a bit of it.  Played well, but fading in set 5 after early breaks, despite making the tie break.  Was expecting him to lose it, but not get beaten up so badly.  Think it is still promising.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on January 22, 2024, 11:50:39 PM
We have 5 girls still in the Australian Open Juniors; 3 of which are already in the last 16.  I know that doesn't guarantee anything,, but looks like we have a bright future right now.

Unfortunately can't stay up til 4am to watch them..  Maybe will make an effort for a Klugman final.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on January 24, 2024, 04:43:45 PM
looks like Barnett and Nichols have broken up both in Porto with different playing partners.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 05, 2024, 07:13:00 PM
very good second set today by Emma, not a kind draw though Ons Jabeur will be a tough cookie


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 05, 2024, 08:36:10 PM
very good second set today by Emma, not a kind draw though Ons Jabeur will be a tough cookie

I now think that Ons Jabeur match is going to be pretty close, certainly wouldn't take long odds on.  I wouldn't have expected that a month ago. 

Jabeur got tonked in Australia and Raducanu now playing as well as she has since the US Open.  Would definitely want to watch it, but likely stuck at work. 

Maybe top 32 by US Open isn't a stretch, though she needs to run better with draws.

Watson got through qualifying too, so maybe she is going to put last year behind her?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on February 06, 2024, 10:08:23 PM
very good second set today by Emma, not a kind draw though Ons Jabeur will be a tough cookie

I now think that Ons Jabeur match is going to be pretty close, certainly wouldn't take long odds on.  I wouldn't have expected that a month ago. 

Jabeur got tonked in Australia and Raducanu now playing as well as she has since the US Open.  Would definitely want to watch it, but likely stuck at work. 

Maybe top 32 by US Open isn't a stretch, though she needs to run better with draws.

Watson got through qualifying too, so maybe she is going to put last year behind her?

So Raducanu is slight odds on vs Jabeur, so guess she isn't going to be a value proposition for some time?  She has got that bad stat where she hasn't beaten a top 10 player yet (think she has beaten 11 and 12).  Obviously an ideal time to play Jabeur.

As a reward for a decent win, Watson has a very good draw in the next round playing a lucky loser.  Also got lucky yesterday as she was due to play a bang in form Ostapenko, who then dropped out. 

Dart also won in Romania and gets top 100 if she wins in the next round.

Murray didn't.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 10, 2024, 09:32:18 PM
So Watson is now  closing in on top 40 for Doubles and in the final of the 500 tomorrow, She still hasn't got a regular partner.
With a decent regular partner she could be getting main draw entries into the 1000s  but her singles ranking isn't good enough to get her into the quailies
i am hoping she can get  the points quickly or just throw herself into the doubles.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 11, 2024, 09:11:37 PM
Skysports tennis (408) is live with red button option for court choice not sure if it will have replay option


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 13, 2024, 11:00:19 AM
https://live.itftennis.com/en/live-streams/ Klugman has a WC entry and is also playing with Barnett in the doubles this week.
Watson has interestingly just entered the singles.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 16, 2024, 08:52:48 AM
Norris's got 500 points to defend next week if he plays anything like last night he could slip outside the top 32


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: bergeroo on February 19, 2024, 12:56:54 PM
Edmund has a wildcard into a Challenger in France this week. He is back up to around 400 right now. Still not good enough to get into the main draw of most Challengers, but on the way


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on February 19, 2024, 01:21:09 PM
Edmund has a wildcard into a Challenger in France this week. He is back up to around 400 right now. Still not good enough to get into the main draw of most Challengers, but on the way

yeah i watched him in nottingham and glasgow last 2 weeks he is nowhere near the standard of top 100 ATM


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 01, 2024, 09:38:52 PM
Still think Norrie unseeded  for Wimbledon
But Jack and Katie have great chance of being in top 32


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 03, 2024, 09:32:28 AM
Stayed up and watched Boulter last night. Her game starts at midnight, so can't see me staying up. 

She is playing so well right now, really putting some tonk on it. I don't know what she did in the off season, but seems to have made a step change to her game.

Top 32 seems inevitable now, even if she doesn't win tonight, as she hasn't got many points to defend for the next couple of months. 



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 03, 2024, 02:19:32 PM
I am in hospital currently and possibly for a couple of weeks so missing all the late night stuff but she's looked good this season


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 03, 2024, 06:02:07 PM
I am in hospital currently and possibly for a couple of weeks so missing all the late night stuff but she's looked good this season
Sad to hear it, hope you get out soon. 

Missing some great tennis.  I was thinking that Raducanu would get the British number 1 spot back when fit, but would be backing Boulter to be number 1 at the end of the year with an even bet. 

Bookies have Raducanu shorter than Boulter for Wimbledon which seems wrong too. It is only 3 months off, Boulter is in the form of her life, and though Raducanu has shown flashes of her old game, it still seems a bit of an ask for her to be at her peak by then.  Boulter seems to be 90% to be seeded, Raducanu maybe 10/20%?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 04, 2024, 10:20:06 AM
I am in hospital currently and possibly for a couple of weeks so missing all the late night stuff but she's looked good this season
Sad to hear it, hope you get out soon. 

Missing some great tennis.  I was thinking that Raducanu would get the British number 1 spot back when fit, but would be backing Boulter to be number 1 at the end of the year with an even bet. 

Bookies have Raducanu shorter than Boulter for Wimbledon which seems wrong too. It is only 3 months off, Boulter is in the form of her life, and though Raducanu has shown flashes of her old game, it still seems a bit of an ask for her to be at her peak by then.  Boulter seems to be 90% to be seeded, Raducanu maybe 10/20%?

I did attempt to stay up last night, but got to 11.50 and they moved the start time to 1.30am and that wasn't ever going to happen.  I watched the highlights this morning and was still hitting big forehands.  There have been a lot of double faults, but that might just be a symptom of a more aggressive game plan?

Anyway, she is now seeded for Indian Wells, and a seed must be near guaranteed for Wimbledon and the French Open.  I think I said here or elsewhere a couple of years ago that I thought she could get top 50, but wasn't sure about top 32.  It is a big step up in quality at Indian Wells, but top 20 must be a strong possibility with very few ranking points to lose.  Wouldn't rule out top 10 now.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 04, 2024, 08:46:26 PM
Not seen anything of last night's game unfortunately  I seen the doubles before it hadn't even started at 11pm.
Watson is out in qualifying interesting to see if she's in the doubles


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 06, 2024, 12:38:51 PM
I am in hospital currently and possibly for a couple of weeks so missing all the late night stuff but she's looked good this season
Sad to hear it, hope you get out soon. 

Missing some great tennis.  I was thinking that Raducanu would get the British number 1 spot back when fit, but would be backing Boulter to be number 1 at the end of the year with an even bet. 

Bookies have Raducanu shorter than Boulter for Wimbledon which seems wrong too. It is only 3 months off, Boulter is in the form of her life, and though Raducanu has shown flashes of her old game, it still seems a bit of an ask for her to be at her peak by then.  Boulter seems to be 90% to be seeded, Raducanu maybe 10/20%?

I did attempt to stay up last night, but got to 11.50 and they moved the start time to 1.30am and that wasn't ever going to happen.  I watched the highlights this morning and was still hitting big forehands.  There have been a lot of double faults, but that might just be a symptom of a more aggressive game plan?

Anyway, she is now seeded for Indian Wells, and a seed must be near guaranteed for Wimbledon and the French Open.  I think I said here or elsewhere a couple of years ago that I thought she could get top 50, but wasn't sure about top 32.  It is a big step up in quality at Indian Wells, but top 20 must be a strong possibility with very few ranking points to lose.  Wouldn't rule out top 10 now.



Turns out Boulter isn't seeded for Indian Wells, so has a pretty crappy draw.  I was originally thinking she wouldn't be seeded as it was too late, but saw someone say she would be as it was decided on the 4th.  It was decided on the 4th, but they ignore the win which makes little sense.



Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 06, 2024, 01:10:07 PM
I dint see burrage in the draw


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 06, 2024, 03:12:55 PM
I dint see burrage in the draw

Injured and back in uk.  Saw her watching Boulter earlier in the week.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 24, 2024, 09:17:51 AM
Boulter and Andy have winnable next couple of matches to take them to SF and QF respectively, Cameron has a tough one tonight though.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 25, 2024, 11:24:59 AM
Boulter and Andy have winnable next couple of matches to take them to SF and QF respectively, Cameron has a tough one tonight though.

Did you watch the Murray match last night.  Looked like he was going to win in the final tie break.

Boulter's form looks so good right now, and has another winnable match tonight after beating Haddad Maia again at the weekend.  Supposed to be playing at 6 tonight.  Will be interesting to see how she  does against Rybakina if she can get that far.  She is odds against tonight, so still some way to go. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 25, 2024, 04:10:59 PM
i thought it was Murray's match right until he got broke in the 12th game of the 2nd set, then he looked down and out for a few games.
When he broke back and then got it to 5-5 he pulled up with what looked like a nasty injury thought it was a career ender at first (as this is last few months of career)
Missed Norrie's match and saw the score before i got round to watching it so didn't bother watching

Looking forward to Boulter's match i think it will be around 7pm she is ranked and seeded 2 places higher and is in form will be good to see if experience will justify the odds
but i am tempted by the 6/5


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on March 25, 2024, 05:48:19 PM
i thought it was Murray's match right until he got broke in the 12th game of the 2nd set, then he looked down and out for a few games.
When he broke back and then got it to 5-5 he pulled up with what looked like a nasty injury thought it was a career ender at first (as this is last few months of career)
Missed Norrie's match and saw the score before i got round to watching it so didn't bother watching

Looking forward to Boulter's match i think it will be around 7pm she is ranked and seeded 2 places higher and is in form will be good to see if experience will justify the odds
but i am tempted by the 6/5


I took 2.4 and it is currently 2.56 on Betfair.  Those bookies who keep banning me are on to something...   Or on something?


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 25, 2024, 06:02:31 PM
i thought it was Murray's match right until he got broke in the 12th game of the 2nd set, then he looked down and out for a few games.
When he broke back and then got it to 5-5 he pulled up with what looked like a nasty injury thought it was a career ender at first (as this is last few months of career)
Missed Norrie's match and saw the score before i got round to watching it so didn't bother watching

Looking forward to Boulter's match i think it will be around 7pm she is ranked and seeded 2 places higher and is in form will be good to see if experience will justify the odds
but i am tempted by the 6/5


I took 2.4 and it is currently 2.56 on Betfair.  Those bookies who keep banning me are on to something...   Or on something?

yeah i am tempted but i hate betting on brits


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 26, 2024, 07:34:02 AM
Murray's  injury is a bad one, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/68661714

Out for an extended period


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on March 26, 2024, 07:34:48 AM
Boulter was way off her best last night


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 09, 2024, 06:48:33 PM
My bold predictions for the year

Andy will retire after the US open he will announce it before Wimbledon
Draper will be GB number 1
Norrie won't be seeded at Wimbledon
Watson will focus on doubles now she has a ranking good enough to get her into choice of WTA and her singles ranking is ITF
We will have 2 women seeded for the US open


Think Andy retires
Draper will be number 1, but Norrie will be seeded for Wimbledon.  Think we may have 3 men's seeds as Evans is playing well again.
Agree on Watson.
Think 2 women's seeds at US Open is a big ask.  Think Boulter is 50/50.  Burrage is too flakey late in games right now, need to improve her mental game.  Dart can get closer to top 50.  Am pretty sure Raducanu gets to top 32 again, but think the earliest is after US Open.  Think she'll need to get last 8 in a grand slam and/or win a WTA 250 and do pretty well elsewhere. She'll also be unseeded for some time in WTAs and Grand Slams, so could get some dreadful draws. 

4 months on from my BOLD predictions

1) Andy had basically announced his retirement
2) Jack is closing in on Norrie but injury and fitness are not right yet
3) Norrie needs a deep run soon or he will be lucky to be top 50 come Wimbledon
4) singles keep falling but she hasn't got a settled doubles partner yet
5) Burrage's injury has hampered this one can't see anyone joining Boulter (hoping her form remains strong enough) as a seed now


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 09, 2024, 06:49:41 PM
Drapers match today was good but got a toughest possible 1st round draw


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 13, 2024, 05:59:06 PM
Emma looked good past this weekend, and Harriet looked much better today than yesterday.

If Emma can play like that' stay clear of injury and keep getting the wildcards she should be able to get inside the top 100 sooner rather


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 14, 2024, 12:19:40 AM
Emma looked good past this weekend, and Harriet looked much better today than yesterday.

If Emma can play like that' stay clear of injury and keep getting the wildcards she should be able to get inside the top 100 sooner rather

Harriet as been playing well recently, but was no better on day 2 than day 1.  Katie on the other hand...

Winning away on clay when neither has much experience was a top top result. 

Raducanu is looking a lot better this year than last year.  Top 100 should be feasible by the end of summer.  Hopefullly she can get to the quarter finals at wimbledon or somewhere.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 14, 2024, 05:10:30 PM
FFS school boy error my excuse of lack of sleep wont cut it i suppose :-)

yeah, IF she can stay fit a week or 2 of good tennis and luck of the draws can get her back in the mix she is only 506 points outside the top 100


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 18, 2024, 03:42:24 PM
Raducanu on just after 6 tonight after 3 easier matches.  Noskova is a bright young thing who has just beaten Ostapenko.  Playing her and Swiatek will give a better picture of where Raducanu is now(don't think the scoreline Vs Kerber reflects the match, and the BJK matches were both 3 setters, so can't get carried away yet).  Don't think Raducanu was completely fit at the end of the Kerber match, which goes someway to explaining the 2.62 odds on Raducanu.  Also Raducanu is having to wait for dropouts to see if she avoids qualifying for the French Open. Not convinced she gets a wild card there.  Though maybe if she beats Swiatek, they can't ignore her?  Big odds on winning the next two matches for Raducanu, so unlikely to be relevant.

One thing I didn't expect at the start of the year was Dan Evans retiring, but it at least looks a possibility judging by some recent comments.  Norrie is still clinging on to his top 32 spot. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 18, 2024, 08:06:06 PM
Raducanu on just after 6 tonight after 3 easier matches.  Noskova is a bright young thing who has just beaten Ostapenko.  Playing her and Swiatek will give a better picture of where Raducanu is now(don't think the scoreline Vs Kerber reflects the match, and the BJK matches were both 3 setters, so can't get carried away yet).  Don't think Raducanu was completely fit at the end of the Kerber match, which goes someway to explaining the 2.62 odds on Raducanu.  Also Raducanu is having to wait for dropouts to see if she avoids qualifying for the French Open. Not convinced she gets a wild card there.  Though maybe if she beats Swiatek, they can't ignore her?  Big odds on winning the next two matches for Raducanu, so unlikely to be relevant.

One thing I didn't expect at the start of the year was Dan Evans retiring, but it at least looks a possibility judging by some recent comments.  Norrie is still clinging on to his top 32 spot. 

Easy game it turns out.  Looking like a potential top 10 player again.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 18, 2024, 08:13:03 PM
great win from Emma tonight against a player just outside the top 30, tomorrows game will be interesting. She could put herself in the wildcard picture with a win tomorrow how ever unlikely that is
Yeah can't see the appeal for Evans playing in challenger events and/or qualifying matches unless he finds some form he is GB number 4 now so not even assured a spot on the bench for Davis cup.


In doubles news i see Bains and Lumsden are back together this week neither did anything major during there split


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 19, 2024, 01:14:08 PM
Raducanu 10/1 for this afternoon.  Probably going to struggle to watch any of it as at work.  Couldn't resist a muggy few quid on her though.  Doesn't feel like a 10/1 chance, even if Swiatek is so dominant on clay. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 19, 2024, 03:18:56 PM
Raducanu 10/1 for this afternoon.  Probably going to struggle to watch any of it as at work.  Couldn't resist a muggy few quid on her though.  Doesn't feel like a 10/1 chance, even if Swiatek is so dominant on clay. 

she didn't have it all her own way vrs Mertens yesterday but yeah she didn't look like losing either

going to be a tea time match by the look of it


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 20, 2024, 12:41:22 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcwBamwJORk

Played so well.  Loved this point from about 3:30


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 21, 2024, 07:03:13 PM
Emma has wildcard into Madrid, Katie is seeded 28 and Dart is in qualifying.
Watson's ranking doesn't get her into qualifying not sure about the doubles.
Norrie is seeded 30 with Draper and Evans in the main draw.

Bains and Lumsden narrowly lost in the final of the doubles no idea if they are back together long term.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 24, 2024, 10:32:31 AM
Evans has pulled out of Madrid, i am assuming injured
Watson has partnered with Xu in the doubles


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 25, 2024, 10:43:39 AM
Evans has pulled out of Madrid, i am assuming injured
Watson has partnered with Xu in the doubles

That is interesting.  Assuming Watson is just playing with her as Klugman is more limited than Xu in how much she can play.

I see Boulter is playing with Vandrousova today.  Playing alongside someone so good should help her get even better?

Notice Raducanu got a whole load of abuse again yesterday.  She has played several really strong games this year, throws in one bad one and immediately she is a fraud again.  Won't do her any harm to have a rest and look forward to defending her zero points for the rest of the year. 


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 25, 2024, 03:51:40 PM


That is interesting.  Assuming Watson is just playing with her as Klugman is more limited than Xu in how much she can play.



Klugman and Watson? 
Xu and Watson teamed up as ranked 41 and 48 Xu just plays doubles and is 35 Watson nearly 32 and can't even get into the qualifying events with her singles ranking anymore.
Both looking for long term partners i think with a ranking that gets them into the main draw.

Missed the Boulter match 6-0 in 2nd set is impressive in doubles


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on April 26, 2024, 06:51:32 AM


That is interesting.  Assuming Watson is just playing with her as Klugman is more limited than Xu in how much she can play.



Klugman and Watson? 
Xu and Watson teamed up as ranked 41 and 48 Xu just plays doubles and is 35 Watson nearly 32 and can't even get into the qualifying events with her singles ranking anymore.
Both looking for long term partners i think with a ranking that gets them into the main draw.

Missed the Boulter match 6-0 in 2nd set is impressive in doubles

Ha, didn't check and assumed she was playing with Mimi Xu.  Made sense as both Brits, and Xu can play in more tournaments than Klugman as she is 18 months older. 

Don't know if Watson is entirely over with singles.  She could get in Nottingham/Eastbourne/Wimbledon again, and a good run in the latter could see her going up again.  If she goes out round 1 in each, think that must be it.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 26, 2024, 06:56:24 PM
yeah it's quite hard to get into these 1000 events for the doubles as the top single players all want in

a team with both players on 50-60 are unlikely to get in which i think is a major reason a few of the all British teams have stalled just outside then broken up (but i could be wrong)




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 30, 2024, 04:21:58 PM
i see Skopski and Sailsbury teamed up this week in prep for the Olympics i presume, back to there normal partners for Rome.

with the Olympics in mind Murray is outside of a spot just now (top 56)

In the doubles Sailsbury and Skopski could team up, leaving the prospect of maybe a Murray/Murray team if they are ranked high enough

In the ladies only Boulter is ranked high enough for singles but her singles ranking alongside Watsons doubles ranking could give the an outside chance of partnering up in the doubles





Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on April 30, 2024, 04:23:17 PM
but all this in mind i thought the olympics was before wimbledon for some reason just checked its after the grass


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 06, 2024, 01:49:32 PM
Rome 1000 women

Watson and Dart out in Qualifiers, Boulter not entered (presume injured) Emma decided against trying to qualify and has put her name in for the 500 in a fortnight so might not enter the French qualifiers

Miyazaki 1st round qualifier is tomorrow

Men

Norrie is seeded 27 and will take on winner of Hijikana and Munar
Evans plays Fognini in first round winner takes on Fritz
Draper starts against Coric with winner to take on Medvedev (could do with a bit of luck in the draws)


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 06, 2024, 05:34:16 PM
Rome 1000 women

Watson and Dart out in Qualifiers, Boulter not entered (presume injured) Emma decided against trying to qualify and has put her name in for the 500 in a fortnight so might not enter the French qualifiers

Miyazaki 1st round qualifier is tomorrow

Men

Norrie is seeded 27 and will take on winner of Hijikana and Munar
Evans plays Fognini in first round winner takes on Fritz
Draper starts against Coric with winner to take on Medvedev (could do with a bit of luck in the draws)


Boulter is in the round of 64.  Not heard of any injury so think she is playing. 

Assume Raducanu is fairly confident she makes the cut.  Have read that might duck the French Open but makes no sense to me.  Seems inconsistent with her deliberately playing 1000s when she would get a much easier time in 250s.  Think it she ducks France she must be aiming to play early season grass tourneys like Nottingham?  Will just see what happens.


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Ironside on May 06, 2024, 07:13:21 PM
yeah i can see her in the round of 64 now but she was missing when i was looking this afternoon i was shocked


Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 18, 2024, 12:14:29 PM
[/]https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/geneva/322/draws[/]

Andy Murray will be playing Djokovic if he gets through round 1 of the ATP 250 in Geneva.  Farewell tour is rigged.

Looks like Raducanu is going to qualifying for French Open.  Given the draw is tomorrow then think that 3 players need to withdraw by tomorrow as she is 3rd on alternate list still.

Looking increasingly likely that she is playing Nottingham given the ads I keep seeing are now featuring her. Assume she has a wild card guaranteed if she wants it. One year I don't get tickets too.  Looks like Ons Jabeur is there too.

 




Title: Re: The long overdue (no staking) tennis betting and discussion thread
Post by: Doobs on May 19, 2024, 10:40:12 AM
[/]https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/geneva/322/draws[/]

Andy Murray will be playing Djokovic if he gets through round 1 of the ATP 250 in Geneva.  Farewell tour is rigged.

Looks like Raducanu is going to qualifying for French Open.  Given the draw is tomorrow then think that 3 players need to withdraw by tomorrow as she is 3rd on alternate list still.

Looking increasingly likely that she is playing Nottingham given the ads I keep seeing are now featuring her. Assume she has a wild card guaranteed if she wants it. One year I don't get tickets too.  Looks like Ons Jabeur is there too.



Well I got that wrong.  Raducanu has pulled out of French Open qualifying.  I don't know if that means she is hoping 3 pull out of the main draw, or is just going to concentrate on grass.  FWIW Jodie Burrage is an obvious doubt and could have been talking to a Raducanu?

Miyazaki and Watson are still in qualifying, looks like Katie Swan is no longer there, so assume she has injury issues still.

Finally, Sonay Kartal has won 3 from 5 ITFs she has played this year, making a late push for a Wimbledon wildcard.  

Watson and Boulter are together in the doubles.