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Title: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on February 19, 2018, 12:14:59 PM
It's that time of year again...

Spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r-UZeeuv1XBsccrBUb83_T3K2dqqYA7w4KbFE2ctgHU/edit?usp=sharing

I am pleased to announce this year's Blonde Cheltenham Tipster Competition.
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The rules are as follows:

1. Entry is open to everyone upon payment of a £25 or £10 entry fee to me. You can send the money via bank or Paypal:
Paypal: longinespoker@hotmail.com
Bank Transfer: 40-47-82 34392884

Please put your alias as the reference on the transfer.

Payment must be received by me before midday on Tuesday 13th March. If you are interested, please indicate below or PM me. Each person may enter up to a maximum of two times. Each entry costs £25 or £10.
There will be two pools for this event. One costing £10 and one costing £15. It will not be possible to enter the £15 pool on its own. The same selections will be entered in both pools. The object for this is to try to encourage more people to take part.

2. The competition will be run over the 28 races from Tuesday 13th March to Friday 16th March.

3. Each entrant will pick one horse per race. The selection must either be for a £10 win or a £5 each-way bet. Winnings will be settled on the basis of Starting Prices.
If you fail to make a selection or select a non-runner you will be assigned a random horse. I would prefer you pick a specific horse but to maintain the spirit of the previous comps will take instructions for "random" selections (e.g. first horse alphabetically) for each race if you do not have the time/inclination to make your own selections but, in a rather dictatorial manner, I am not going to allow selections such as "pick the SP favourite for every race" or attempts to circumvent this rule. For anyone who has entered but not submitted their selections by the deadline on any day you will be assigned a random horse.

4. The place component of an each-way bet will be decided using the following criteria:
1/4 the odds for a place for each horse officially returned on the results for each race on www.sportinglife.com

5. I will be using www.sportinglife.com for the purpose of deciding the result of each race.

6. Entries must be sent to me via PM by midday on the day of the races. I will then endeavour to make everyone's selections available via the spreadsheet by 12:30pm that day. This will hopefully give you time to marvel at each other's selections before the first race starts.

7. The winner will be the person who makes most profit (or least loss) over the course of the festival.

8. My decision is final in all matters (until proven otherwise).



The payout structure will be as follows:

1-10 entrants
1st 100%

11-20 entrants
1st 75%
2nd 25%

21-30 entrants
1st  60%
2nd 30%
3rd 10%


>30 entrants
tba



£10

Paid
redsimon
SuuPRlim
Micko
4KSuited
ripple11
horseplayer
Karabiner
RickBFA
samviv16
NigDawG
GrahamC
Cavey007
Alverton
Ironside
Tal
engy
Stuarthopkin
Tikay
Tightend
Marky147
Woodsey
MTTDESTROYER
Knottikay
Doobs
chelseaboy
bagel
action man


£15

Paid
redsimon
SuuPRlim
Micko
4KSuited
ripple11
horseplayer
Karabiner
RickBFA
NigDawG
Alverton
Tal
engy
Stuarthopkin
tikay
Tightend
Marky147
Woodsey
MTTDESTROYER
Knottikay
Doobs
chelseaboy
bagel
action man


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: redsimon on February 19, 2018, 01:23:18 PM
in and £25 paid today


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: ripple11 on February 19, 2018, 01:31:51 PM
Great...thanks for running.

In


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on February 19, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
Great work Grant, & thank you for stepping up to the plate.

I do hope it gets plenty of entrants to justify your initiative.

I'm busy today, but will certainly have the 2 entries.  


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on February 19, 2018, 02:38:53 PM
Excellent news.

Thanks Grant.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Tal on February 19, 2018, 02:47:52 PM
Yes please. Thanks for running it, Longines.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: booder on February 19, 2018, 03:03:40 PM
Thanks for running.


In.


Proberly.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: engy on February 19, 2018, 03:27:49 PM
In please


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Knottikay on February 19, 2018, 04:00:20 PM
I will contribute to your red wine fund  8) IN.

I will sort payment start of March.

Cheers,
Alan


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 19, 2018, 04:54:47 PM
Obviously in for £25!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on February 19, 2018, 05:04:05 PM
In for both.

Cheers, Grant!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on February 19, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
Thanks chaps. I've assumed everyone is in for both, if not, not problem just let me know.

If anyone else wants in, could you say whether it's for the £10 or both? Ta.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: RickBFA on February 19, 2018, 06:37:19 PM
In for both please, will send funds in next day or two. Thanks for running.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Graham C on February 19, 2018, 07:16:55 PM
In for the tenner please, will ship in a day or two.

Cheers for running


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: bagel on February 19, 2018, 07:20:29 PM
in for burning a pony

thanks for running this


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: 4KSuited on February 19, 2018, 11:54:25 PM
Yep, I'm in

Thanks for running this, Longines


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: NigDawG on February 20, 2018, 01:25:46 AM
in for £25


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Micko on February 20, 2018, 11:33:59 AM
In for £25

Money sent - thanks.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 20, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
In for £25 sent on paypal

funs

https://gyazo.com/d34bbb97f54fd82ecd1939ff134e435e


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Knottikay on February 20, 2018, 01:38:32 PM
I will contribute to your red wine fund  8) IN.

I will sort payment start of March.

Cheers,
Alan

Sorry, IN for both.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on February 20, 2018, 06:21:06 PM
Excellent news.

Thanks Grant.

The "In" was implied :)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: ripple11 on February 20, 2018, 08:03:52 PM

£25 sent


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on February 23, 2018, 09:47:56 PM
In for both. Will pay nearer the time


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on February 26, 2018, 11:32:51 AM

£25 sent by Bank TX.

Many thanks for running this, Grant.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 26, 2018, 12:20:11 PM
Monies sent via paypal


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: action man on February 27, 2018, 05:09:11 PM
In for £25


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on February 27, 2018, 05:42:04 PM
put me down for £10 and someone give me a nudge nearer the time as i will forget otherwise soo much going on over here


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 06, 2018, 10:58:39 AM
My macaroni has been shipped and I'm ready for the action!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: RickBFA on March 10, 2018, 11:16:34 AM
£25 paid. Thanks


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 10, 2018, 01:35:24 PM
Many thanks to those who have paid already.

A gentle reminder to those who have yet to pay.

A warm welcome to anyone else who wants to join in the fun.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Samviv16 on March 10, 2018, 01:48:31 PM
In and paid £10 thanks


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 10, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Welcome to blonde Sam.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: action man on March 10, 2018, 03:51:04 PM
Will set to pay when on computer tomorrow


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Alverton on March 10, 2018, 06:27:15 PM
Could you put me down for £25 please.  I’ll transfer over tomorrow morning.  Thanks


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: NigDawG on March 10, 2018, 10:40:40 PM
sent via paypal


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 11, 2018, 11:21:37 AM
Someone's keen - the first selections have been received.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Graham C on March 11, 2018, 11:24:54 AM
Sent via Paypal, thanks


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Cavey007 on March 11, 2018, 11:53:32 AM
Yeah, I'll give away a tenner to someone, sent by paypal


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Alverton on March 11, 2018, 10:47:17 PM
Could you put me down for £25 please.  I’ll transfer over tomorrow morning.  Thanks

Sent


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 11, 2018, 11:08:09 PM
put me down for £10 and someone give me a nudge nearer the time as i will forget otherwise soo much going on over here

i have sent £10, if its not too much hassle if i forget or am unable to send my selections on time is it possible to take the number 3 horse in every race that i havent selected ?


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: action man on March 12, 2018, 04:45:20 AM
Will send today been in bed all day with virus need to get better today as going to the track tomorrow


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 12, 2018, 07:15:05 AM
put me down for £10 and someone give me a nudge nearer the time as i will forget otherwise soo much going on over here

i have sent £10, if its not too much hassle if i forget or am unable to send my selections on time is it possible to take the number 3 horse in every race that i havent selected ?

Sure.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: StuartHopkin on March 12, 2018, 09:05:40 AM
Have you not received my payment?
I sent it a while ago via paypal but i do not seem to have progressed to the paid section!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 12, 2018, 09:09:39 AM
Have you not received my payment?
I sent it a while ago via paypal but i do not seem to have progressed to the paid section!

Same here, unless I am mis-reading the Post, though mine was Bank TX.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 12, 2018, 12:30:56 PM
Probably me, I only checked payments when someone posted 'paid'. Will reconcile the accounts and update.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 12, 2018, 12:47:10 PM
Thanks for sending Stuart.

Mr T, I forgot that you manage to send it to a different bank account ;-)  And you sent £25 for one entry, correct?

OP updated.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 12, 2018, 12:51:05 PM
Thanks for sending Stuart.

Mr T, I forgot that you manage to send it to a different bank account ;-)  And you sent £25 for one entry, correct?

OP updated.

Ha, if there's a way to be awkward, I'll find it. Sorry mate.

Yup, was £25.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 12, 2018, 12:51:47 PM

I'd not trust that Stu Hopkin fella though, proper wrong 'un, him.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 12, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
Bookiebasher and Simon Galloway are conspicuous absentees.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 12, 2018, 01:12:01 PM
Probably me, I only checked payments when someone posted 'paid'. Will reconcile the accounts and update.

I sent the last tenner for Lottery, and payments for all the comps at same time last month, Grant.

Think I posted on KK that I'd done it, but will check bank to get the date if you need.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 12, 2018, 03:21:56 PM

I'd not trust that Stu Hopkin fella though, proper wrong 'un, him.

Oh, & that Marky is even worse.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: TightEnd on March 12, 2018, 03:23:15 PM
Paid, £25


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 12, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
Probably me, I only checked payments when someone posted 'paid'. Will reconcile the accounts and update.

I sent the last tenner for Lottery, and payments for all the comps at same time last month, Grant.

Think I posted on KK that I'd done it, but will check bank to get the date if you need.

Ta, forgot the ones from the other next door.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: action man on March 12, 2018, 04:33:50 PM
sent


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: bagel on March 12, 2018, 06:07:02 PM
sent 25 bank transfer this afternoon, reference cheltenham.

just working out the best way not to finish last for 3rd year running.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Samviv16 on March 12, 2018, 06:13:52 PM
Welcome to blonde Sam.

Thanks. I'm not sure how to send my selections. Do I send just like this message?


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 12, 2018, 06:19:00 PM
Welcome to blonde Sam.

Thanks. I'm not sure how to send my selections. Do I send just like this message?

You need to make a certain number of posts(5 or 10) then you can send by PM.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: bagel on March 12, 2018, 06:21:30 PM
Welcome to blonde Sam.

Thanks. I'm not sure how to send my selections. Do I send just like this message?

i think you need a certain amount of posts to enable you to send a personal message, think it may be 10, hopefully somebody else will chime in and correct me if necessary.

maybe have a look around and make a few posts here and there when you find something of interest, (dont try tikays diary), and you should be able to message longines in no time.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 12, 2018, 06:22:25 PM
Welcome to blonde Sam.

Thanks. I'm not sure how to send my selections. Do I send just like this message?

i think you need a certain amount of posts to enable you to send a personal message, think it may be 10, hopefully somebody else will chime in and correct me if necessary.

maybe have a look around and make a few posts here and there when you find something of interest, (dont try tikays diary), and you should be able to message longines in no time.

Huh? WTF?

Outrageous.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 12, 2018, 06:25:04 PM
If it's easier for you, you can email them to longinespoker@hotmail.com.

Cheers,


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Samviv16 on March 12, 2018, 06:39:47 PM
Welcome to blonde Sam.

Thanks. I'm not sure how to send my selections. Do I send just like this message?
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sent 25 bank transfer this afternoon, reference cheltenham.

just working out the best way not to finish last for 3rd year running.
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Welcome to blonde Sam.
Thanks bagel
Thanks. I'm not sure how to send my selections. Do I send just like this message?

i think you need a certain amount of posts to enable you to send a personal message, think it may be 10, hopefully somebody else will chime in and correct me if necessary.

maybe have a look around and make a few posts here and there when you find something of interest, (dont try tikays diary), and you should be able to message longines in no time.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 12, 2018, 06:43:46 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's 10 posts, so you're almost there, Sam.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 12, 2018, 07:55:40 PM
its 10 posts i can confirm

anyone know where i can find a race card for tomorrow?


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 12, 2018, 08:06:01 PM
its 10 posts i can confirm

anyone know where i can find a race card for tomorrow?

Have you tried Google - they say it's marvellous for that kind of thing.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 12, 2018, 08:14:54 PM
its 10 posts i can confirm

anyone know where i can find a race card for tomorrow?

Have you tried Google - they say it's marvellous for that kind of thing.

i must be googling wrong thing all i am getting is list of the races not the runners and riders


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: bagel on March 12, 2018, 08:18:05 PM
https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/11/cheltenham/2018-03-13


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Samviv16 on March 12, 2018, 08:42:39 PM
Welcome to blonde Sam.
I think I managed the pm. Can you confirm you got them please. Sorry to be a nuisance


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 12, 2018, 08:48:31 PM
https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/11/cheltenham/2018-03-13

thank you


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Woodsey on March 12, 2018, 08:49:31 PM
Yes please, in for 25. Just choose number 5 for me for every race each way, and if they don’t run then 4 then 3 etc.

Send bank deets and I’ll send now. Cheers.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on March 12, 2018, 08:54:30 PM
Paid


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Woodsey on March 12, 2018, 09:06:56 PM
Yes please, in for 25. Just choose number 5 for me for every race each way, and if they don’t run then 4 then 3 etc.

Send bank deets and I’ll send now. Cheers.

Paid 25, thanks bagel for the email.....


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Knottikay on March 12, 2018, 10:22:32 PM
£25 now sent by PAYPAL. Not used it for a while, so please confirm.

Cheers for running this Grant.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Doobs on March 12, 2018, 11:52:46 PM
I have just paid £25 y bank.  gl all


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 04:38:28 AM
Welcome to blonde Sam.
I think I managed the pm. Can you confirm you got them please. Sorry to be a nuisance

Got it.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 04:39:14 AM
£25 now sent by PAYPAL. Not used it for a while, so please confirm.

Cheers for running this Grant.

Got it, will update the OP later.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: chelseaboy on March 13, 2018, 09:14:15 AM
In for the £25 just paid.

Will send selections shortly!

GL All!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 12:28:15 PM
I just put my selection into an acc 7 winners and I take down £3 million for a 1p each way 7 fold



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 12:36:19 PM
Spreadsheet for the first race might not be up before the off - lots of tipsters on both sites picking 'horse #3' etc. which is taking some time.

My Mastermind subject this year will be Cheltenham festival runners and numbers.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 12:37:05 PM
I just put my selection into an acc 7 winners and I take down £3 million for a 1p each way 7 fold



Ha, good luck. I did that last year and the bandits restricted me to £1m...


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
Don't think they would let me put on less than 1p each way I was planning on putting on £1 till I saw the returns


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 01:11:45 PM
1.30 horses with two tipsters to pick:

Kalashnikov 8
Summerville Boy 3
Getabird 3
Debuchet 2
First Flow 2
Paloma Blue 2
Claimantakinforgan 1
Golden Jeffrey 1
Mengli Khan 1
Sharajah 1
Wester Ryder 1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 01:25:00 PM
My Tent or Yours is a NR in the 3.30. Three tipsters backed it - they are now on Melon.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 01:32:44 PM
My Tent or Yours is a NR in the 3.30. Three tipsters backed it - they are now on Melon.




grrr


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 01:45:06 PM
After race 1:

(https://i.imgur.com/EnRtRXV.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Tal on March 13, 2018, 01:53:31 PM
Chop, Tighty?


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Doobs on March 13, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
My Tent or Yours is a NR in the 3.30. Three tipsters backed it - they are now on Melon.




grrr


Melon is fine.  Backed that one e/w away from the comp.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 02:08:33 PM
Footpad   11
Saint Calvados   6
Petit Mouchoir   5
Brain Power   4
Robinshill   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
After race 2 - ripple11 goes 2 from 2:

(https://i.imgur.com/Csivdfn.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 02:47:53 PM
My Tent or Yours is a NR in the 3.30. Three tipsters backed it - they are now on Melon.




grrr


Melon is fine.  Backed that one e/w away from the comp.
I was in 2 minds between my tent and my home town went with tent melon will do


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 03:09:54 PM
New blonde samviv16 was the only tipster to pick the winner in the 2.50:

(https://i.imgur.com/4YEwMmC.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 03:11:39 PM
3.30 picks:

Elgin   7
Melon   6
Ch'tibello   4
Buveur D'Air   3
Wicklow Brave   3
Faugheen   2
Yorkhill   1
Identity Thief   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 03:43:56 PM
Samviv16 has picked three winners in a row to move up to 4th.

Only 4 tipsters in overall profit after 4 races:


(https://i.imgur.com/7tzWC8o.png)



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 03:47:32 PM
4.10pm

Apples Jade   9
La Bague Au Roi   7
Kayf Grace   4
Jer's Girl   4
Benie Des Dieux   2
Midnight Tour   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 04:20:20 PM
4.10pm

Apples Jade   9
La Bague Au Roi   7
Kayf Grace   4
Jer's Girl   4
Benie Des Dieux   2
Midnight Tour   1



grrrr nearly there with midnight tour


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 04:25:30 PM
After race 5:

(https://i.imgur.com/2pR4Yrx.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
Not too much agreement on the 4.50:

Jury Duty   7
Ms Parfois   5
Duel at Dawn   4
Sizing Tennessee   3
No Comment   2
Mossback   1
Keeper Hill   1
Shades of Midnight   1
Reigning Supreme   1
Clondaw Cian   1
Rathvinden   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 05:06:03 PM
After race 6:

(https://i.imgur.com/H7SzKd7.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 05:07:16 PM
Last race of the day:

Barney Dwan   9
Any Second Now   4
Testify   4
Mr Whitaker   3
Conrad Hastings   2
De Plotting Shed   1
Rocklander   1
Demi Sang   1
Tycoon Prince   1
Rather Be   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 05:16:59 PM
i need testify to place to pay for my week
then i can freeroll this comp


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 05:53:03 PM
Very close at the end of day 1:

(https://i.imgur.com/3Y1YCmX.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 13, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
Karbiner misses out on going from 18th to 1st by a short head.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Knottikay on March 13, 2018, 05:58:24 PM
....at least I am still above Tikay.

Roll on day 2.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Cavey007 on March 13, 2018, 06:00:55 PM
Mid-table, not an awful start. I should have just copied my betref entry, had 3 wins and a place there.

Biggest winner of the day was the first race? 9/1? Would have thought with that ground there would have been more shocks and big prices


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 13, 2018, 06:15:24 PM
Karbiner misses out on going from 18th to 1st by a short head.

Half a length 2nd in the penultimate race and mullered on the line in the first too with a decent bet on it  :'(


.......at least I am above Tikay.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: engy on March 13, 2018, 07:06:11 PM
forgot to send my picks in :) but haven't done too bad


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 07:10:45 PM
i am planning on breaking betfair tomorrow £2.40 spent with a return of £346 million if i scoop i will add 1k to the prizepool


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: chelseaboy on March 13, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
i am planning on breaking betfair tomorrow £2.40 spent with a return of £346 million if i scoop i will add 1k to the prizepool

Made me LOL... the wife is looking at me from the other sofa as if ive got 2 heads!!

Dream BIG!!!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 13, 2018, 08:20:33 PM
i am planning on breaking betfair tomorrow £2.40 spent with a return of £346 million if i scoop i will add 1k to the prizepool

Made me LOL... the wife is looking at me from the other sofa as if ive got 2 heads!!

Dream BIG!!!

i am just glad they didnt restrict me they must know i am a mug punter i wonder what gave it away


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: chelseaboy on March 14, 2018, 11:09:52 AM
Silly Question ALERT

Is there a way to see your sent messages... Id spent all morning picking my selections yesterday and come the 2nd or 3rd race couldnt remember who I was supposed to be on ;)




Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 11:17:03 AM
6. Entries must be sent to me via PM by midday on the day of the races.

9 tipsters have 45 minutes left to pull their finger out.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Graham C on March 14, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Silly Question ALERT

Is there a way to see your sent messages... Id spent all morning picking my selections yesterday and come the 2nd or 3rd race couldnt remember who I was supposed to be on ;)


Not once you've sent it unless you ask Longines to send it back.  Before you send, there's an option to save a copy to your outbox, tick that and you'll have a copy.

I always do that too, it's the first year I've remembered about it!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 11:18:52 AM
Silly Question ALERT

Is there a way to see your sent messages... Id spent all morning picking my selections yesterday and come the 2nd or 3rd race couldnt remember who I was supposed to be on ;)




I think you have to click the 'save this message in my outbox' option before sending.

Or have a look at the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r-UZeeuv1XBsccrBUb83_T3K2dqqYA7w4KbFE2ctgHU/edit?usp=sharing).


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 14, 2018, 11:19:42 AM
Silly Question ALERT

Is there a way to see your sent messages... Id spent all morning picking my selections yesterday and come the 2nd or 3rd race couldnt remember who I was supposed to be on ;)




When you send a PM, there is a little tick box just beneath the Post area, which says;

   
  Save a copy in my outbox 

Just tick the box, then it is permanently saved & can be accessed by clicking "OUTBOX" on the left-hand sidebar, just below INBOX.



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 12:30:15 PM
Day 2 picks are up (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r-UZeeuv1XBsccrBUb83_T3K2dqqYA7w4KbFE2ctgHU/edit#gid=1827632565).

3 tipsters are on random horses, shown in pink.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 12:32:38 PM
1.30pm:

Black Op   7
Samcro   6
Duc Des Genievres   4
Vision Des Flos   2
Brahma Bull   2
Next Destination   2
Gowiththeflow   2
Ahead of The Curve   1
Coolanly   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 01:44:34 PM
Tighty drops to 3rd after the 1st:

(https://i.imgur.com/fP4ruS7.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
2.10:

Black Corton   6
Al Boum Photo   6
Monalee   4
Ballyoptic   3
Dounikos   3
Presenting Percy   3
Bonbon Au Miel   1
Elegant Escape   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
Sam takes the lead after race 2:

(https://i.imgur.com/DKalDE1.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2018, 02:26:33 PM
this isnt getting me rich quick


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 02:27:03 PM
2.50 - 27 tipsters, 16 different horses:

Red Indian   3
Mount Mews   3
As You Were   3
Le Breuil   3
Topofthegame   2
Springtown Lake   2
Fixe Le Kap   2
Diamond King   1
River Frost   1
Voix Du Reve   1
The Organist   1
William Henry   1
Dusky Legend   1
Burbank   1
Abbyssial   1
Max Dynamite   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 14, 2018, 02:57:50 PM
Haha


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: chelseaboy on March 14, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
2.50 - 27 tipsters, 16 different horses:

Red Indian   3
Mount Mews   3
As You Were   3
Le Breuil   3
Topofthegame   2
Springtown Lake   2
Fixe Le Kap   2
Diamond King   1
River Frost   1
Voix Du Reve   1
The Organist   1
William Henry   1
Dusky Legend   1
Burbank   1
Abbyssial   1
Max Dynamite   1


And non of us had it..... :S


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 03:04:30 PM
2.50 - 27 tipsters, 16 different horses:


And no-one won a penny!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 03:05:56 PM
3.30 - I assume Altior is pretty good?

Altior      10
Politologue   6
Charbel   3
Ordinary World   3
Min   2
Special Tiara   1
God's Own   1
Douvan   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Woodsey on March 14, 2018, 03:23:35 PM
Think I’ll either stay on zero or get a ridiculous bink from nowhere to ship the lot!  rotflmfao


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 03:39:16 PM
Think I’ll either stay on zero or get a ridiculous bink from nowhere to ship the lot!  rotflmfao

It's a start....


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 03:41:52 PM
After race 4:


(https://i.imgur.com/hKFOwOs.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 03:44:35 PM
4.10 - 12 of the 16 runners covered:

Cause of Causes   6
Auvergnat   4
Urgent De Gregaine   3
Tiger Roll   3
The Last Samurai   3
Cantlow   2
Vicomte Du Seuil   1
Josies Orders   1
Urumqi   1
Bless The Wings   1
Saint Are   1
Beeves   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2018, 03:50:12 PM
this is the one


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
this is the one

The guy who is currently second next door is the only other one to go for Urumqi so it could be....


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2018, 03:58:10 PM
this is the one

The guy who is currently second next door is the only other one to go for Urumqi so it could be....

i went for beeves


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
i went for beeves

Damn these dodgy eyes.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 14, 2018, 04:25:37 PM
ffs i typed the PM out and it didnt send.

steaming would have done sick


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 04:31:13 PM
After race 5:


(https://i.imgur.com/3vVDpP8.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2018, 04:33:39 PM
ITV sucks why show the last 2 races



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: RickBFA on March 14, 2018, 04:34:03 PM
Hi Logines, think I had tiger roll there? Cheers Rick

EDIT : I think you have taken down the last summary 👍


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Yep, sorted now.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 04:43:17 PM
ffs i typed the PM out and it didnt send.

steaming would have done sick

Don't know what to say really. You'd be 5th on £140 after the fifth race.

One of the reasons I prefer posting tips as soon as they're received (as we do next door) so this can be tracked, although I get the point that it allows sandbagging to a degree.

I'll post a list of received and outstanding tipsters tomorrow and Friday so everyone can check.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 04:50:02 PM
4.50 - 17 of 22 runners covered:

Mitchouka   3
Lisp   3
Casa Tall   2
Oxford Blu   2
Act of Valour   2
Eragon De Chaney   2
Style De Garde   2
The King of May   2
Knight Destroyer   1
Solo Saxophone   1
Padleyourowncanoe   1
Braver Dancing   1
Esprit De Somoza   1
Nube Negra   1
Veneer of Charm   1
Look My Way   1
Mercenaire   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 04:58:08 PM
Now that's a very big price....


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 05:01:45 PM
After race 6:

(https://i.imgur.com/c0CpghL.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 05:09:10 PM
5.30 - 12 of 23 runners covered:

Blackbow   5
Know The Score   4
Acey Milan   3
Tornado Flyer   3
Didtheyleaveuouttoo   3
Rhinestone   2
Crooks Peak   2
The Big Bite   1
Arch My Boy   1
Felixs Desjy   1
Mercy Mercy Me   1
Dashel Drasher   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 14, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
ok selection for tomorrow sent bit of a shambles really i will only get £27 million plus change when i win but if all 7 come in i will still add £1k to the prize pool


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 05:43:36 PM
5.30 - 12 of 23 runners covered:


And neither of the first two were backed.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 05:46:19 PM
End of Day 2.

MTT pings three winners in a row today including a 33/1 coup to take a commanding lead.

Good luck tomorrow.

(https://i.imgur.com/OGVKYgV.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 05:48:42 PM
Day 3 tips not yet received:
RickBFA
samviv16 - sent but missing a horse
Alverton
ripple11
Stuarthopkin
Tightend
Tal
Doobs
chelseaboy
Cavey007
Tikay
engy
GrahamC
Micko
Marky147
SuuPRlim
action man
horseplayer
NigDawG

Day 3 tips received:
Knottikay
Ironside
4KSuited
bagel
Woodsey
Karabiner
MTTDESTROYER
redsimon


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 05:54:59 PM
Seems to be something wrong with the spreadsheet, tikay was the 3rd best tipster today?


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 14, 2018, 05:57:07 PM
Seems to be something wrong with the spreadsheet, tikay was the 3rd best tipster today?

I just let an inch of rein out, am doing this Altoir style.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: bagel on March 14, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
was sure i sent a message choosing £10 win on number 6 every race, looks like i am on random selections... should have saved my sent messages i guess

looks like last again, going for the hatrick



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: engy on March 14, 2018, 08:14:35 PM
Hi longines I thought I'd sent mine today, not sure if they had to be sent by certain Time or if I'd sent them right , no worries either way just wondering if I'd put them on right


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: engy on March 14, 2018, 08:20:15 PM
Doh my fault should be in by 12 😂😂


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 14, 2018, 08:51:32 PM
Wish I'd not sent my selections for today as those random mofos did way better however tomorrow's picks with the assistance of my new algorithm should scoopio.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
was sure i sent a message choosing £10 win on number 6 every race, looks like i am on random selections... should have saved my sent messages i guess

looks like last again, going for the hatrick



I messed up. I forgot that bagel had said that on day 1 and put him on random horses today.

I've gone back and recalculated. The 14.50 race where no one won a penny? The 20/1 winner was number 6....




(https://i.imgur.com/GHO6cG8.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 14, 2018, 10:03:33 PM
Good to see Horseplayer back in the fold although he's not actually posted on the forum for around eighteen months.

Hope you're keeping well old mate.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 14, 2018, 10:16:39 PM
Perhaps it would make life easier for our heroic multi-tabling tipster competition running maestro if those of you who have picked a specific horse# or similar system for the entire four days were to send him a reminder each day.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 14, 2018, 10:20:48 PM
Thanks Ralph but I've done bagel's and Woodsey's picks through to Friday now so no reminders required.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 14, 2018, 11:15:18 PM
Good to see Horseplayer back in the fold although he's not actually posted on the forum for around eighteen months.

Hope you're keeping well old mate.

+1 to that.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 10:21:44 AM
Fun morning. Mini hit a neighbours parked car and buggered the suspension on both of them. Road blocked on the only access road to our 100-house estate.

Tow ropes and trolley jacks deployed and the road is now clear. Back to the important stuff.


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FeV_EIyYxtMNVi_rjsn_sf34rVechfp63OKUL_vRuZjWDR_-uM9LwG2HWKuSmztN7PhT7v6VAfiijCrvC9bo3clxJ_ueiJxD7ENIq0kj4LRrQ11M7NTg3UyjQ-w99FTBHPHErlw4xHb4q8R0uvUNFBII0nEghtHg445X4hBsvz7v-KrXSSbHAvVV1AUX2pKJvR2OXs9mLNSCMxsrmIhZgsTpSsX34oogk_bH9fiSvswEiiMezZsATEcD43Wl-Ne-YbFF5plZYqGREwbTt-7o3OWPrCpowXza-4kPbIVms5k0OP4fAM8SNPkEY9pRmWSKH35Rum1dVDgCBqDDvfGH-Ur52bakuY2T40jIL63o7Salqu3uQ-o9zWW-eNsHDWxwtwlOMOXK6DEz3319_lyCFMqpPfFJ2KSV3JEXiLerIyxhd2_B96VOX2_5Wja8UeEX9AC9FNbYUyF7BveCg9MWSdp132bmGGSGZp_XCZcwmdPKXo01aod9imKjeRbFxOmb6itipI0gvchcSWKR6hWEgQG5IaResFINShFXpAOsj7sFE3Fs3Je5Zy0oOsfoExFIbx2h_1D5XudiWDyn4Vu7JwQ7Nccr7_vATRhYo_0=w514-h685-no)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: horseplayer on March 15, 2018, 10:37:45 AM
Good to see Horseplayer back in the fold although he's not actually posted on the forum for around eighteen months.

Hope you're keeping well old mate.

+1 to that.

Thank you chaps I appear to be tailed off but never mind.

Tikay never did reply to your pms many apologies catch up soon

Thanks for running this Long hope car is ok


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 10:45:15 AM
Thanks horse but not my car. Trying hard not to get all schadenfreude - the Mini was some random visiting someone. The neighbour's 640d that now has an extended wheelbase is always parked half on the pavement opposite a T-junction when they have enough off-road parking. Caused at least two accidents in the recent past due to their selfish parking.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 10:47:41 AM
Day 3 tips not yet received:
action man
engy

Day 3 tips received:
Cavey007
NigDawG
Tikay
ripple11
Tightend
horseplayer
GrahamC
Micko
Marky147
SuuPRlim
Tal
Doobs
chelseaboy
Stuarthopkin
samviv16
Alverton
RickBFA
Knottikay
Ironside
4KSuited
bagel
Woodsey
Karabiner
MTTDESTROYER
redsimon


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 15, 2018, 10:54:29 AM
Day 3 tips not yet received:
ripple11
Cavey007
Tikay
action man
NigDawG

Day 3 tips received:
Tightend
horseplayer
engy
GrahamC
Micko
Marky147
SuuPRlim
Tal
Doobs
chelseaboy
Stuarthopkin
samviv16
Alverton
RickBFA
Knottikay
Ironside
4KSuited
bagel
Woodsey
Karabiner
MTTDESTROYER
redsimon

Now sent.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 15, 2018, 10:55:27 AM
Good to see Horseplayer back in the fold although he's not actually posted on the forum for around eighteen months.

Hope you're keeping well old mate.

+1 to that.

Thank you chaps I appear to be tailed off but never mind.

Tikay never did reply to your pms many apologies catch up soon

Thanks for running this Long hope car is ok

No worries John & don't worry about replying, was, like many others, worried about you.

Take it easy mate.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 15, 2018, 11:02:07 AM
Welcome back, mate!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: ripple11 on March 15, 2018, 11:15:44 AM
Fun morning. Mini hit a neighbours parked car and buggered the suspension on both of them. Road blocked on the only access road to our 100-house estate.

Tow ropes and trolley jacks deployed and the road is now clear. Back to the important stuff.


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FeV_EIyYxtMNVi_rjsn_sf34rVechfp63OKUL_vRuZjWDR_-uM9LwG2HWKuSmztN7PhT7v6VAfiijCrvC9bo3clxJ_ueiJxD7ENIq0kj4LRrQ11M7NTg3UyjQ-w99FTBHPHErlw4xHb4q8R0uvUNFBII0nEghtHg445X4hBsvz7v-KrXSSbHAvVV1AUX2pKJvR2OXs9mLNSCMxsrmIhZgsTpSsX34oogk_bH9fiSvswEiiMezZsATEcD43Wl-Ne-YbFF5plZYqGREwbTt-7o3OWPrCpowXza-4kPbIVms5k0OP4fAM8SNPkEY9pRmWSKH35Rum1dVDgCBqDDvfGH-Ur52bakuY2T40jIL63o7Salqu3uQ-o9zWW-eNsHDWxwtwlOMOXK6DEz3319_lyCFMqpPfFJ2KSV3JEXiLerIyxhd2_B96VOX2_5Wja8UeEX9AC9FNbYUyF7BveCg9MWSdp132bmGGSGZp_XCZcwmdPKXo01aod9imKjeRbFxOmb6itipI0gvchcSWKR6hWEgQG5IaResFINShFXpAOsj7sFE3Fs3Je5Zy0oOsfoExFIbx2h_1D5XudiWDyn4Vu7JwQ7Nccr7_vATRhYo_0=w514-h685-no)

You might want to do a double at Chelts today...... 1.30 Shattered Love and 2.10 Sort it Out    :D


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 12:52:06 PM
Day 3 picks are up. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r-UZeeuv1XBsccrBUb83_T3K2dqqYA7w4KbFE2ctgHU/edit#gid=1268279401)

action man and engy on random horses as no picks received. Alverton currently on a random horse in the 4.10 due to a non-runner, he gets to change it before the race starts if he wants.


1.30 - 9 of 9 runners covered:

Terrefort   6
Shattered Love   5
Modus   5
Invitation Only   4
Benator   2
Bigmatre   2
West Approach   1
Finians Oscar   1
Kemboy   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2018, 01:39:09 PM
Wohoooo I got 9-1 in my acc too I can taste the money tempted to cash ou lol


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
After race 1:

(https://i.imgur.com/j7zH8rm.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 01:45:24 PM
2.10 - 13 of 23 covered:

Protek Des Flos   5
Mine Now   3
Sort it Out   3
Forza Milan   3
A Great View   2
Dell' Arca   2
Delta Work   2
Who Dares Wins   2
Boite   1
Sykes   1
Thomas Campbell   1
Kansas City Chiefs   1
Louis Vac Pouch   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2018, 02:04:02 PM
someone could of told me maximum win is £1 million


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
After race 2:


(https://i.imgur.com/nQLxgIZ.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 02:30:22 PM
2.50 - two horse race? All 6 covered:

Un De Sceaux   9
Cue Card   8
Frodon   4
Cloudy Dream   3
Sub Lieutenant   2
Balko Des Flos   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 03:02:52 PM
4KSuited the only tipster to make a profit on the 3rd race, moves up to 6th:

(https://i.imgur.com/LKT4dGs.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 03:46:57 PM
Sam is back in the top 3 after being one of the two tipsters to pick the winner in race 4:


(https://i.imgur.com/5rN7jXC.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
75 losing bets out of 81 in the last three races.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 03:52:44 PM
4.10 - 15 of 22 runners covered:

Oldgrangewood   5
The Storyteller   3
Mercian Prince   2
Pougne Bobbi   2
King's Oddessy   2
Willie Boy   2
King's Socks   2
Ballyalton   2
Last Goodbye   1
Viconte Du Noyer   1
Tully Spinner   1
Romain De Senam   1
Ballybolley   1
Splash of Ginge   1
Guitar Pete   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 04:20:41 PM
bagel beginning to close the gap on MTT, after race 5:

(https://i.imgur.com/tyefXWh.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 04:31:05 PM
4.50 - 11 of 14 runners covered:

Cap Soleil   7
Maria's Benefit   6
Salsaretta   3
Laurina   2
Countister   2
Cutthemustard   2
Angels Antics   1
Pietralunga   1
Champayne Lady   1
Spice Girl   1
Dawn Shadow   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 05:03:13 PM
After race 6:

bagel's pin almost bagged an 80/1 banzai.

(https://i.imgur.com/Dq2j1Bj.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 05:07:53 PM
5.30 - 12 of 20 runners covered:

Mall Dini   5
Sugar Baron   5
Final Nudge   5
Missed Approach   2
Band of Blood   2
Pendra   2
Captains Buck   1
Aubusson   1
Double Ross   1
The Young Master   1
Squouateur   1
Very First Time   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 15, 2018, 05:08:40 PM
Some machine, that.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 15, 2018, 05:51:45 PM
End of Day 3:

(https://i.imgur.com/8XWSsrs.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 15, 2018, 06:40:59 PM
disaster


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 09:19:34 AM
Morning all, good luck today.


Day 4 tips not yet received:
action man
engy
Ironside

Day 4 tips received:
Woodsey
Karabiner
MTTDESTROYER
redsimon
4KSuited
samviv16
bagel
GrahamC
chelseaboy
Tightend
Marky147
SuuPRlim
Tal
Alverton
ripple11
horseplayer
Tikay
Doobs
Stuarthopkin
Cavey007
Micko
RickBFA
NigDawG
Knottikay


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 16, 2018, 09:27:33 AM
I wish I hadn't already sent you my day 3 tips ;D



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 16, 2018, 09:29:04 AM
Last jinxed horses sent over.

Cheers for running this, has been super fun.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 16, 2018, 09:39:45 AM

Mine will be a little later this morning, am dead busy & all behind, but you'll have them before noon. 


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: RickBFA on March 16, 2018, 11:35:26 AM
Just PM’d mine. Thanks.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on March 16, 2018, 11:44:52 AM
So bagels going for all the number 6's......


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on March 16, 2018, 11:47:23 AM
Against the spirit of the game so I won't copy 😀


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 11:50:13 AM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67727757/oh-no-the-10-minute-warning.jpg)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 12:36:48 PM
Final day tips are up. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r-UZeeuv1XBsccrBUb83_T3K2dqqYA7w4KbFE2ctgHU/edit#gid=3892521)

action man, engy and Ironside on random picks.

Good luck all.

1.30 - all 9 runners covered:

Redicean   7
Saldier   4
Apple's Shakira   4
Sussex Ranger   3
Farclas   3
Stormy Ireland   2
Gumball   2
Sayo   1
Mr Adjudicator   1




Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 16, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
I sent mine last night


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 16, 2018, 01:28:09 PM
Gumbal
Sterubin
Crucial role
Outlander
Young hurricane
Brave eagle
Gino trail

Are horse on my bet slip that I am sure I sent you


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 01:31:44 PM
OK, no problem, double checked and no PM received. I'll change your picks as it's before the first race.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 16, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
OK, no problem, double checked and no PM received. I'll change your picks as it's before the first race.

Thanks all to win will check my out box when I get on pc


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
Sam goes 2nd and Tal on the charge - after race 1:

(https://i.imgur.com/WjXtwFu.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 01:46:11 PM
2.10 - only 12 of 24 runners covered:

Sandsend   5
Spirit Of The Game   3
Flying Tiger   3
Jenkins   3
Sternrubin   2
Meri Devi   2
Whiskey Sour   2
A Hare Breath   2
Le Richebourg   2
Lagostovegas   1
Smoineamh Alainn   1
Chesterfield   1
 


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
2.50 - 15 of 20 runners covered:

Calett Mad   4
Santini   4
Chris's Dream   3
Crucial Role   2
Poetic Rhythm   2
Mr Whipped   2
Dortmund Park   2
Talkischeap   1
Robin Waters   1
Chef Des Obeaux   1
Fabulous Saga   1
Diese Des Bieffes   1
Beyond The Law   1
Ballyward   1
Ok Corral   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 16, 2018, 02:23:54 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.

Leaderboard unchanged? UNCHANGED?

I'm scything through the field, Minstrel style.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Samviv16 on March 16, 2018, 02:27:11 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.
what a shame for Sandsend. .stood in a hoofprint they made first time around. Feel for the owners.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 16, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.
what a shame for Sandsend. .stood in a hoofprint they made first time around. Feel for the owners.

Yes, very sad. Is that the first fatality of the Festival? Hope so, such beautiful animals.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 16, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.
what a shame for Sandsend. .stood in a hoofprint they made first time around. Feel for the owners.

Yes, very sad. Is that the first fatality of the Festival? Hope so, such beautiful animals.

3rd, I think.



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 03:03:00 PM
Alverton the only one to get a return in the 3rd narrowly overtakes Tal.

After race 3:


(https://i.imgur.com/44J6bJG.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 03:06:28 PM
76 losing bets out of 81 in the last three races, good day to be a bookie.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 16, 2018, 03:12:55 PM
saved my powder for the last 4 races to come and take it by storm


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 03:43:27 PM
RickBFA was one of only two tipsters to pick the Gold Cup winner and moves up the leaderboard.

After race 4:

(https://i.imgur.com/VLyDOgy.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 03:47:17 PM
4.10 - 10 of 24 runners covered:

Foxrock   10
Grand Vision   5
Caid Du Berlais   4
Pacha Du Polder   2
Virak   1
Sir Jack Yeats   1
Barel of Laughs   1
Cousin Pete   1
Young Hurricane   1
Burning Ambition   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 16, 2018, 03:59:08 PM
First 3 races I backed Richard champion Johnson so he wins the 4th


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 16, 2018, 04:23:29 PM
Chaaaaaaaarge


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
£10: 20th and 24th are now 4th and 7th....

£15: 16th and 20th are now 3rd and 6th...


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 04:27:31 PM
With two races to go:

(https://i.imgur.com/BnKWCYc.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 04:32:01 PM
4.50 - 17 of 23 runners covered:


Melrose Boy   7
Early Doors   3
Diese Des Bieffes   3
Flawless Escape   1
Brillaire Momento   1
Brelan D'As   1
Burrows Saint   1
Brave Eagle   1
Deal Destruval   1
Lough Derg Spirit   1
No Hassle Hoff   1
Mr Big Shot   1
Sire Du Berlais   1
Blow By Blow   1
Tommy Rapper   1
Discorama   1
Dream Berry   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 04:35:43 PM
The top 4 are on 7 different horses for the last 2 races.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 04:39:07 PM
7 different horses are backed at 33/1 or higher in the 4.50.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Tal on March 16, 2018, 04:39:27 PM
4.50 - 17 of 23 runners covered:


Melrose Boy   7
Early Doors   3
Diese Des Bieffes   3
Flawless Escape   1
Brillaire Momento   1
Brelan D'As   1
Burrows Saint   1
Brave Eagle   1
Deal Destruval   1
Lough Derg Spirit   1
No Hassle Hoff   1
Mr Big Shot   1
Sire Du Berlais   1
Blow By Blow   1
Tommy Rapper   1
Discorama   1
Dream Berry   1


I'm the only one on Brillaire Momento?

Interesting...


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 05:01:47 PM
With one race to go:


(https://i.imgur.com/FqX3DRE.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 05:06:46 PM
last race - 14 of 22 runners covered:

North Hill Harvey   5
Vaniteux   4
Dresden   3
Le Prezien   3
Theinval   2
Doitforthevillage   2
Gino Trail   1
Townshend   1
Top Gamble   1
Valdez   1
Bright New Dawn   1
Forest Bihan   1
Foxtail Hill   1
Some Plan   1


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on March 16, 2018, 05:10:21 PM
12/1 winner or less please


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 16, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
atleast i cant come last thanks for running the comp longines looking forward to aintree festival event now


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 05:12:43 PM
If my mental maths is right there are 5 4 tipsters who can win.

MTT
Sam
Micko
Tighty


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 05:41:14 PM
Subject to final checks, here's the result:

(https://i.imgur.com/FuTyZfc.png)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 16, 2018, 05:47:15 PM
I was just getting warmed up.

Fabulous job Grant.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on March 16, 2018, 05:48:43 PM
Thanks again for running this.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: ripple11 on March 16, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
Dancing Brave in the Derby....finishing fast by not fast enough  :D

well played MTT, thanks alot for running Grant ,brilliant work. ;applause;


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 16, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
Congrats to all the winners, great job.

Thanks for running the comps, much appreciated, Grant.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Cavey007 on March 16, 2018, 06:02:36 PM
Thanks for running it Longines. Even though I was nowhere, had to go for broke today, and broke is how it ended

Can I suggest betref to make it easier for the creator of the comp next time around? Does it all automatically? Although I do prefer the tidiness of the spreadsheet produced!


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 16, 2018, 06:03:25 PM
Well done to all of the cashers too especially MTT geezer.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 16, 2018, 06:15:12 PM

Good work Grant, run it perfectly, thank you.

'Grats to the winners too. 


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Tal on March 16, 2018, 06:20:21 PM
MTTdestroyer binks MTT

Should have just backed the name.

Well done all and superb Rachel Rileyage, Longines.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 16, 2018, 06:56:25 PM
winner in the last! forgot to back it, bloodbath all over!

Thanks Logines for running, great work good fun to sweat - beer on me next time we bump into each other :)


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 06:58:22 PM
ripple11, samviv16 and bagel can you send me your bank/paypal details please.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 07:00:29 PM
Well done and welcome to blonde Sam - the only tipster across both comps to record a profit on each of the four days, some going that.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: bagel on March 16, 2018, 07:04:16 PM
ripple11, samviv16 and bagel can you send me your bank/paypal details please.



thank you very much for your time and effort running this



removed the details edit by ironside


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: bagel on March 16, 2018, 07:06:10 PM
that was meant to be a pm

 far too pissed to edit

 well done to winners


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 16, 2018, 07:21:12 PM
MTT and bagel have been paid.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 16, 2018, 07:25:41 PM
Well done and welcome to blonde Sam - the only tipster across both comps to record a profit on each of the four days, some going that.

Very well done Sam.



Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on March 16, 2018, 08:33:47 PM
Money received.

He's kindly donating his tip to charity as well.

Top man


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Graham C on March 16, 2018, 08:35:10 PM
Thanks for running, good fun to do.

Congratulations to the winners


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: RickBFA on March 16, 2018, 09:03:23 PM
Congrats to winners. Thanks for running.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 16, 2018, 10:09:39 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.
what a shame for Sandsend. .stood in a hoofprint they made first time around. Feel for the owners.

Yes, very sad. Is that the first fatality of the Festival? Hope so, such beautiful animals.

3rd, I think.



Just learned there were 6 in all, including 3 in the Grand Annual, which closes the festival.

That's terrible.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 16, 2018, 10:53:36 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.
what a shame for Sandsend. .stood in a hoofprint they made first time around. Feel for the owners.

Yes, very sad. Is that the first fatality of the Festival? Hope so, such beautiful animals.

3rd, I think.



Just learned there were 6 in all, including 3 in the Grand Annual, which closes the festival.

That's terrible.

I saw that NHH & Dresden had to be put down, but didn't know there was a 3rd.

Very sad, most definitely. That race is rough at the best of times, but in those conditions it was horrendous.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: tikay on March 16, 2018, 10:56:58 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.
what a shame for Sandsend. .stood in a hoofprint they made first time around. Feel for the owners.

Yes, very sad. Is that the first fatality of the Festival? Hope so, such beautiful animals.

3rd, I think.



Just learned there were 6 in all, including 3 in the Grand Annual, which closes the festival.

That's terrible.

I saw that NHH & Dresden had to be put down, but didn't know there was a 3rd.

Very sad, most definitely. That race is rough at the best of times, but in those conditions it was horrendous.

Yes "Some Plan" was lost in the GA, too.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Marky147 on March 16, 2018, 11:15:52 PM
tikay the only tipster with a return in the 2nd, leaderboard unchanged.
what a shame for Sandsend. .stood in a hoofprint they made first time around. Feel for the owners.

Yes, very sad. Is that the first fatality of the Festival? Hope so, such beautiful animals.

3rd, I think.



Just learned there were 6 in all, including 3 in the Grand Annual, which closes the festival.

That's terrible.

I saw that NHH & Dresden had to be put down, but didn't know there was a 3rd.

Very sad, most definitely. That race is rough at the best of times, but in those conditions it was horrendous.

Yes "Some Plan" was lost in the GA, too.

Oh no, that's a rough one. He was one of Adz's pal's horses.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 17, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
Sam and ripple have been paid.

Fantastic standard of tipping this year, last year's winning total would have only finished 5th this year. In the battle of the forums the winner next door pipped MTT's total by just £3 - and he's a blonde too, you should have entered tonytats!

Thanks to all the entrants for making the admin fairly easy across the 4 days and 28 races.

The World Cup is 64 games across 31 days. Hmmm, watch this space...


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 17, 2018, 12:30:34 PM
Too many terrible games in The World Cup imo.

The Masters Golf however used to be extremely popular..


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 17, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
The Masters Golf however used to be extremely popular..

OK, found an old Masters thread. Can't find any bookies offering top xyz player markets as far as I can see. Maybe they'll be published next week? Or I'll come up with some other options.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Karabiner on March 17, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
The Masters Golf however used to be extremely popular..

OK, found an old Masters thread. Can't find any bookies offering top xyz player markets as far as I can see. Maybe they'll be published next week? Or I'll come up with some other options.

Those markets won't be up until the field is finalized as it is still possible to earn an invite by winning the week before.


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 17, 2018, 02:01:12 PM
Will there be an Aintree comp?


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Longines on March 17, 2018, 03:25:19 PM
Will there be an Aintree comp?

Happy to do one. A 3 day, every race tipster comp and/or a Grand National sweepstake?


Title: Re: THE Cheltenham Tipster Competition 2018
Post by: Ironside on March 17, 2018, 03:45:45 PM
Will there be an Aintree comp?

Happy to do one. A 3 day, every race tipster comp and/or a Grand National sweepstake?


both would be good,