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Title: Is obesity a disease? Post by: RED-DOG on January 03, 2019, 10:43:40 AM Is it fcuk. (IMO of course)
https://news.sky.com/story/call-for-obesity-to-be-reclassified-as-a-disease-11597486 Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: bobAlike on January 03, 2019, 11:00:28 AM Technically yes
Disease noun a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Marky147 on January 03, 2019, 11:23:26 AM At least I've got an excuse now ;D
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Jon MW on January 03, 2019, 01:12:52 PM Technically yes Disease noun a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. That definition doesn't seem to fit obesity though. An organ or system in your body can go wrong which can result in obesity - that would mean that obesity isn't the 'disease' (it's the symptom); the disease is whatever went wrong to cause it. And obviously 999/1000 or higher it's nothing going wrong anyway it's just environmental - if you eat too much your body is meant to store the extra fat, the obesity caused by that is your body working as it should do. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: bobAlike on January 03, 2019, 08:59:29 PM Technically yes Disease noun a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. That definition doesn't seem to fit obesity though. An organ or system in your body can go wrong which can result in obesity - that would mean that obesity isn't the 'disease' (it's the symptom); the disease is whatever went wrong to cause it. And obviously 999/1000 or higher it's nothing going wrong anyway it's just environmental - if you eat too much your body is meant to store the extra fat, the obesity caused by that is your body working as it should do. I was thinking more about the bolded bit. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: RickBFA on January 03, 2019, 10:47:30 PM Heard this discussed today, someone commented “genes load the gun but we pull the trigger”
Seems a perfect description to me. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Jon MW on January 04, 2019, 09:00:43 AM Heard this discussed today, someone commented “genes load the gun but we pull the trigger” Seems a perfect description to me. It also comes back to the question of whether it fits the definition of, "..disordered or incorrectly functioning..."; for example there is an epigenetic* outcome which can mean you are prone to getting fat because you had a grandparent who had a shortage of food as a baby. So the symptom could be obesity - but it still wouldn't fit any definition of a disease being involved because it isn't disordered or incorrectly functioning. From an evolutionary point of view if you have a shortage of food as a baby your descendants for at least 2 or 3 generations are probably going to as well. As mentioned in the linked article it might be useful in terms of dealing with obesity if it were classed as a disease but I don't see how it fits the technical definition. It's either a symptom of a disease or a side-affect of technological and environmental factors outpacing evolution. *epigenetic - the same gene can have various proteins switched on or off depending on a number of factors, primarily environmental, so you can inherit the same gene but have a different outcome because of what did or didn't happen to you compared with someone else with that gene. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: RED-DOG on January 04, 2019, 09:26:35 AM It's funny how perceptions change. When I was in my teens and my granny was match-making, she used to say things like, "Ooh, look at her our Tom Tom, what a lovely fat girl".
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: bobAlike on January 04, 2019, 10:12:42 AM It's funny how perceptions change. When I was in my teens and my granny was match-making, she used to say things like, "Ooh, look at her our Tom Tom, what a lovely fat girl". Your granny was a bit mean calling you a fat girl. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 04, 2019, 01:03:49 PM It's funny how perceptions change. When I was in my teens and my granny was match-making, she used to say things like, "Ooh, look at her our Tom Tom, what a lovely fat girl". Your granny was a bit mean calling you a fat girl. Loooool Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 04, 2019, 01:09:15 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Chompy on January 04, 2019, 01:36:30 PM Your personal trainer will get you there in the end.
Fwiw I agree though. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 04, 2019, 01:48:59 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Marky147 on January 04, 2019, 02:04:31 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Listen to him, now he's off our firm and back in the baywatch gang, Vin ;D Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 04, 2019, 02:34:51 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 04, 2019, 02:48:49 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 04, 2019, 02:56:27 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Listen to him, now he's off our firm and back in the baywatch gang, Vin ;D He is still easily swayed. Two kebabs in under 24 hours when I went to see him in December. He has a weekend at mine and is crying into his 15th dessert wanting to go home. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 04, 2019, 02:57:44 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Listen to him, now he's off our firm and back in the baywatch gang, Vin ;D He is still easily swayed. Two kebabs in under 24 hours when I went to see him in December. He has a weekend at mine and is crying into his 15th dessert wanting to go home. :) Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 04, 2019, 02:58:23 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 04, 2019, 03:08:17 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 04, 2019, 03:27:04 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 04, 2019, 03:30:38 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: nirvana on January 04, 2019, 04:16:52 PM Some people just have big bones I reckon
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 04, 2019, 04:18:07 PM Some people just have big bones I reckon For brains? Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: nirvana on January 04, 2019, 04:21:20 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Can you be anorexic and get obese ? Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: RED-DOG on January 04, 2019, 04:36:11 PM Some people just have big bones I reckon For brains? I lolled. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: EvilPie on January 04, 2019, 04:37:23 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Don't think that article helps make your point to be honest. It mentions contributory factors to obesity but ultimately it seems to suggest that calories in vs calories out is where it's at, you know, eating too much.... Being unable to exercise for health reasons also isn't an excuse. If you are unable to move other than to chew you still burn a certain amount of calories. If you don't exceed that amount you're going to struggle hit that 40st target.... Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 04, 2019, 07:49:44 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Don't think that article helps make your point to be honest. It mentions contributory factors to obesity but ultimately it seems to suggest that calories in vs calories out is where it's at, you know, eating too much.... Being unable to exercise for health reasons also isn't an excuse. If you are unable to move other than to chew you still burn a certain amount of calories. If you don't exceed that amount you're going to struggle hit that 40st target.... Was making a Basic point for a basic person. Factually he is wrong. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Marky147 on January 04, 2019, 07:54:19 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Listen to him, now he's off our firm and back in the baywatch gang, Vin ;D He is still easily swayed. Two kebabs in under 24 hours when I went to see him in December. He has a weekend at mine and is crying into his 15th dessert wanting to go home. :D Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 05, 2019, 09:14:06 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Don't think that article helps make your point to be honest. It mentions contributory factors to obesity but ultimately it seems to suggest that calories in vs calories out is where it's at, you know, eating too much.... Being unable to exercise for health reasons also isn't an excuse. If you are unable to move other than to chew you still burn a certain amount of calories. If you don't exceed that amount you're going to struggle hit that 40st target.... Was making a Basic point for a basic person. Factually he is wrong. If only you read things properly before commenting.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare. There are conditions that can cause obesity but they are rare.. as i stated originally.. nearly all cases of obesity are caused by simply ingesting more than you use causing your body to store it..if you concerntrated instead of trying to jump on the most marginal of things in an attempt to belittle my point you might save yourself from looking foolish. I do think its ironic that you comment on such matters with your very small knowledge of what constitutes a healthy diet Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: arbboy on January 05, 2019, 09:17:17 PM https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/05/truth-obesity-five-fat-myths-debunked
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 05, 2019, 09:41:04 PM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Don't think that article helps make your point to be honest. It mentions contributory factors to obesity but ultimately it seems to suggest that calories in vs calories out is where it's at, you know, eating too much.... Being unable to exercise for health reasons also isn't an excuse. If you are unable to move other than to chew you still burn a certain amount of calories. If you don't exceed that amount you're going to struggle hit that 40st target.... Was making a Basic point for a basic person. Factually he is wrong. If only you read things properly before commenting.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare. There are conditions that can cause obesity but they are rare.. as i stated originally.. nearly all cases of obesity are caused by simply ingesting more than you use causing your body to store it..if you concerntrated instead of trying to jump on the most marginal of things in an attempt to belittle my point you might save yourself from looking foolish. I do think its ironic that you comment on such matters with your very small knowledge of what constitutes a healthy diet I’ve highlighted the bit where you quite clearly state the only way you get obese is by eating too much. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: arbboy on January 05, 2019, 09:51:57 PM anyway enough of this nonsense how is my fav turkish kebab shop in Sliema on the sea front? God i miss that place
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 06, 2019, 12:51:44 AM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Don't think that article helps make your point to be honest. It mentions contributory factors to obesity but ultimately it seems to suggest that calories in vs calories out is where it's at, you know, eating too much.... Being unable to exercise for health reasons also isn't an excuse. If you are unable to move other than to chew you still burn a certain amount of calories. If you don't exceed that amount you're going to struggle hit that 40st target.... Was making a Basic point for a basic person. Factually he is wrong. If only you read things properly before commenting.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare. There are conditions that can cause obesity but they are rare.. as i stated originally.. nearly all cases of obesity are caused by simply ingesting more than you use causing your body to store it..if you concerntrated instead of trying to jump on the most marginal of things in an attempt to belittle my point you might save yourself from looking foolish. I do think its ironic that you comment on such matters with your very small knowledge of what constitutes a healthy diet I’ve highlighted the bit where you quite clearly state the only way you get obese is by eating too much. If you think obesity is a disease ur as deluded as every other fat person looking for an excuse..its not my fault they whine.. i have a disease.. its atypical of our society.. people just cant take responsibility for their own actions.. always some excuse or someone elses fault.. we have become a society of excuse makers stop shoving too much food in your mouth and you wont be obese.. FACT Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 06, 2019, 12:52:18 AM anyway enough of this nonsense how is my fav turkish kebab shop in Sliema on the sea front? God i miss that place Vinny has one in every high road ;D Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: celtic on January 06, 2019, 09:50:58 AM It can only be classed as psychological disease.. the only way you get obese is by eating too much... thats not a disease its a choice. Its mentally where the issue may be such as low self esteem..depression etc may cause comfort eating... sticking too much food in your mouth is not a disease.. or you are just a lazy greedy sod who uses any excuse under the sun to justify your obesity.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare.. people who say this are usually half way through their 4th doughnut and 8th can of coke WRONG! Explain Eating too much isn't the only way you become obese. Thought it was pretty clear from me typing WRONG? Not sure if you know the definition of the word 'explain' There is more than one way to become obese. Not just food. which is ? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/obesity/conditioninfo/cause One of numerous things available when you learn to google. Don't think that article helps make your point to be honest. It mentions contributory factors to obesity but ultimately it seems to suggest that calories in vs calories out is where it's at, you know, eating too much.... Being unable to exercise for health reasons also isn't an excuse. If you are unable to move other than to chew you still burn a certain amount of calories. If you don't exceed that amount you're going to struggle hit that 40st target.... Was making a Basic point for a basic person. Factually he is wrong. If only you read things properly before commenting.. Most common excuse is its my glands.. although this can be true it is rare. There are conditions that can cause obesity but they are rare.. as i stated originally.. nearly all cases of obesity are caused by simply ingesting more than you use causing your body to store it..if you concerntrated instead of trying to jump on the most marginal of things in an attempt to belittle my point you might save yourself from looking foolish. I do think its ironic that you comment on such matters with your very small knowledge of what constitutes a healthy diet I’ve highlighted the bit where you quite clearly state the only way you get obese is by eating too much. If you think obesity is a disease ur as deluded as every other fat person looking for an excuse..its not my fault they whine.. i have a disease.. its atypical of our society.. people just cant take responsibility for their own actions.. always some excuse or someone elses fault.. we have become a society of excuse makers stop shoving too much food in your mouth and you wont be obese.. FACT Well I’m glad you accept you’re wrong. Feels like we can move on now. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: the sicilian on January 06, 2019, 12:07:25 PM loool
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Ant040689 on January 27, 2019, 08:54:50 AM I was a long time obese topping the scales at 22st 5lbs at 6'4, and now i range between an athletic (if i do say so myself) 14.5st-15.5st depending on how hard i go at the gym. A whole food plant based diet, no oil or processed sugar was the key after repeated failures with other eating styles.
I would personally call it a disease, as ultimately it is a form of self destruction coming from an inability to consume enough nutrient dense foods that satiate without weight gain. And with those that are susceptible to obesity i think they can claim diminished responsibility for a plethora of reasons. I could go down so many different rabbit holes having probably a 2000 page essay in me about all of the intermingling factors involved, but i will leave it at that for now. Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: hhyftrftdr on January 27, 2019, 11:11:19 AM https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/overweight-passenger-forces-eva-air-flight-attendants-to-wipe-his-backside
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Simon Galloway on January 27, 2019, 11:23:41 AM We doing the cheesecake factory again this summer Dean?
Title: Re: Is obesity a disease? Post by: Ant040689 on January 27, 2019, 11:24:17 AM https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/overweight-passenger-forces-eva-air-flight-attendants-to-wipe-his-backside That's a move |