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Title: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on January 04, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: redsimon on January 04, 2019, 05:52:06 PM
Will they call the last bit "Grosvenor Poker Live £s"? :P


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: RED-DOG on January 04, 2019, 06:53:25 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...


I don't think I will be investing.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on January 04, 2019, 07:26:14 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...


I don't think I will be investing.
+1


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Marky147 on January 04, 2019, 07:55:46 PM
Need to go up and see Cute one weekend, so that one before Chelts might be just the job.

Flick a quick one fifty in, and fire some decent meals home.



Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: 77dave on January 05, 2019, 01:19:14 AM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on January 05, 2019, 07:09:04 AM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events


You say every 20 entries = a £225 seat
I say £225/20=£11.25

I stand corrected on the overlays.
I trust that this will encourage them to be more aggressive in their guarantee setting


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Omm on January 05, 2019, 10:24:40 AM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events


What’s the idea behind these Jim, will the take over the one day specials at Luton? Or are they in addition too?

Not a fan of taking seats out of the prize pool, much prefer the Last man standing option. Not sure if personally I’m gonna play these, be a shame if the one day specials were lost.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Omm on January 05, 2019, 10:32:35 AM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events


What’s the idea behind these Jim, will the take over the one day specials at Luton? Or are they in addition too?

Not a fan of taking seats out of the prize pool, much prefer the Last man standing option. Not sure if personally I’m gonna play these, be a shame if the one day specials were lost.

Just clicked the link and it looks like they will be in addition too.  Really can’t get too excited about them. Good luck though.

On the other hand I was a the G for the Weds cash promo this week and thought it was great, first 2 hours rake free and free food which was decent. Great offer and look8ng forward to the £2500 giveaway next week, presume it will not be rake free from 7-9 then?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Karabiner on January 05, 2019, 11:51:31 AM
I'm always amazed that deductions from the prize-pool are allowed to happen.

Does the gaming commission not bother regulating poker anymore?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: ripple11 on January 05, 2019, 12:10:11 PM

The online Day 1 is good for me........and then you can choose which venue for day 2.

However traditionally online legs on Grosvenor dont seem to get many runners , so we will see.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Doobs on January 05, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
I don't get why anyone thinks taking 2% extra off the recs and giving it to some pro who plays the whole series is a good idea either.  It is 2019.  GUKPTs used to be so good. 


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: RED-DOG on January 05, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
I'm always amazed that deductions from the prize-pool are allowed to happen.

Does the gaming commission not bother regulating poker anymore?


This.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: RED-DOG on January 05, 2019, 12:55:56 PM
I don't get why anyone thinks taking 2% extra off the recs and giving it to some pro who plays the whole series is a good idea either.  It is 2019.  GUKPTs used to be so good. 


And this.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Omm on January 05, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
I don't get why anyone thinks taking 2% extra off the recs and giving it to some pro who plays the whole series is a good idea either.  It is 2019.  GUKPTs used to be so good. 

Agree, think they have got this one wrong.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on January 05, 2019, 01:32:39 PM
I don't get why anyone thinks taking 2% extra off the recs and giving it to some pro who plays the whole series is a good idea either.  It is 2019.  GUKPTs used to be so good.  

Yep.  £50 rake on a £1000 main event.  Leaderboard added money not taken from 99% of punters who can't possibly win it.  10% rake on all side events.  Come racing in 2019.  All to fund the sponsored pros buy ins and David Hayes marketing fee.  Lovely.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: bergeroo on January 05, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
pretty lame attempt really. If I am around in Walsall or Birmingham on that day I might play, but even more put off going to play a GUKPT this year (I didn't play any in 2018) - with the 1000+110 rake - seriously guys? And now the extra 2% taken out for a leaderboard that I won't compete in.

Hopefully everyone in the Midlands will go to DTD instead and support the club there.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: 77dave on January 05, 2019, 05:28:03 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events


You say every 20 entries = a £225 seat
I say £225/20=£11.25

I stand corrected on the overlays.
I trust that this will encourage them to be more aggressive in their guarantee setting

The reason why it’s different is if you got 139 players it’s still 6 seats taken out. Not 6 seats plus 19x£11.25


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: 77dave on January 05, 2019, 05:30:04 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events


What’s the idea behind these Jim, will the take over the one day specials at Luton? Or are they in addition too?

Not a fan of taking seats out of the prize pool, much prefer the Last man standing option. Not sure if personally I’m gonna play these, be a shame if the one day specials were lost.

Hi Scott they are in addition. It won’t afffect anything else going on at Luton. It’s just a new prize point comp for players to play under the 25/25
A lot of clubs don’t get 25/25s such as Plymouth or Aberdeen. So they have these now


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on January 05, 2019, 11:30:40 PM
pretty lame attempt really. If I am around in Walsall or Birmingham on that day I might play, but even more put off going to play a GUKPT this year (I didn't play any in 2018) - with the 1000+110 rake - seriously guys? And now the extra 2% taken out for a leaderboard that I won't compete in.

Hopefully everyone in the Midlands will go to DTD instead and support the club there.





Nothing to see here...


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: HutchGF on January 06, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
It's an absolute shocker. Getting serious stick on social media as well.

The league fee so in favour of pros that it puts a rec like me completely off from playing.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: bergeroo on January 06, 2019, 07:07:38 PM
pretty lame attempt really. If I am around in Walsall or Birmingham on that day I might play, but even more put off going to play a GUKPT this year (I didn't play any in 2018) - with the 1000+110 rake - seriously guys? And now the extra 2% taken out for a leaderboard that I won't compete in.

Hopefully everyone in the Midlands will go to DTD instead and support the club there.





Nothing to see here...


Not sure what this comment means?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Karabiner on January 06, 2019, 07:59:48 PM
pretty lame attempt really. If I am around in Walsall or Birmingham on that day I might play, but even more put off going to play a GUKPT this year (I didn't play any in 2018) - with the 1000+110 rake - seriously guys? And now the extra 2% taken out for a leaderboard that I won't compete in.

Hopefully everyone in the Midlands will go to DTD instead and support the club there.





Nothing to see here...


Not sure what this comment means?

Not everyone approves of or enjoys playing at DTD for reasons of their own perhaps..


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: tikay on January 06, 2019, 08:00:38 PM
pretty lame attempt really. If I am around in Walsall or Birmingham on that day I might play, but even more put off going to play a GUKPT this year (I didn't play any in 2018) - with the 1000+110 rake - seriously guys? And now the extra 2% taken out for a leaderboard that I won't compete in.

Hopefully everyone in the Midlands will go to DTD instead and support the club there.





Nothing to see here...


Not sure what this comment means?


You suggested.....


Hopefully everyone in the Midlands will go to DTD instead and support the club there.


And Pokerpops replied "nothing to see here" somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as he has some "history" with DTD, in fact, I believe he may be persona non grata there.  

I'll echo Pokerpops - nothing to see here.

Karabiner perhaps phrased it better.....


Not everyone totally approves of or enjoys playing at DTD for reasons of their own perhaps..


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on January 06, 2019, 08:17:55 PM
Just heard the original £50k £300 deepstack freeze out made a reappearance this weekend at DTD.  Shame there has been a substantial overlay.  I had no idea it was on as i don't follow anything DTD anymore. 

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/result-info.php?id=10330&name=2019%20Deepstack%2050K&eid=2909


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: RED-DOG on January 06, 2019, 08:50:12 PM
Just heard the original £50k £300 deepstack freeze out made a reappearance this weekend at DTD.  Shame there has been a substantial overlay.  I had no idea it was on as i don't follow anything DTD anymore. 

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/result-info.php?id=10330&name=2019%20Deepstack%2050K&eid=2909


I didn't know either.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Longines on January 06, 2019, 09:37:06 PM
Just heard the original £50k £300 deepstack freeze out made a reappearance this weekend at DTD.  Shame there has been a substantial overlay.  I had no idea it was on as i don't follow anything DTD anymore. 


And it was a proper freezeout too. You could play as day 1 online but if you bust, you're out, no trying again in the live day 1.

I played their £50 comp on Friday night, made £15.7k with 300+ runners and the deepstack was quite the topic of conversation.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Chompy on January 07, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
Never seen a Festival before where two of the first four nights are 'cash games only'.

Also, there's been a list pretty much every tourney this year thanks to lack of dealers. For anyone planning to play this week, get there early imo.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: celtic on January 07, 2019, 10:26:28 AM
Never seen a Festival before where two of the first four nights are 'cash games only'.

Also, there's been a list pretty much every tourney this year thanks to lack of dealers. For anyone planning to play this week, get there early imo.

Thought you had retired from UK Poker?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Chompy on January 07, 2019, 10:36:44 AM
Retired on the bubble last night. KK v AA. So sick.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: celtic on January 07, 2019, 10:44:19 AM
Retired on the bubble last night. KK v AA. So sick.

Fold Pre. Especially on the bubble.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: RED-DOG on January 07, 2019, 10:51:21 AM
Retired on the bubble last night. KK v AA. So sick.


You got it in bad, what are you moaning about?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: tikay on January 07, 2019, 11:00:24 AM
Retired on the bubble last night. KK v AA. So sick.


You got it in bad, what are you moaning about?

He is moaning as he was on the "chop bubble" - just 73 players left & he was hoping to negotiate 72 way business. 


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on January 07, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
was the dtd fo £300 deepstack just a one off for xmas or is it back monthly for a while?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: George2Loose on January 14, 2019, 09:42:21 PM
was the dtd fo £300 deepstack just a one off for xmas or is it back monthly for a while?

Ryan said monthly.

These new Grosvenor comps really are poor should’ve just done 100+10 straight tourneys would’ve been much more successful maybe call it the Goliath mini tour. Would’ve been marketed better


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on January 14, 2019, 09:43:13 PM
was the dtd fo £300 deepstack just a one off for xmas or is it back monthly for a while?

Ryan said monthly.

These new Grosvenor comps really are poor should’ve just done 100+10 straight tourneys would’ve been much more successful maybe call it the Goliath mini tour. Would’ve been marketed better

Definitely going to make a return to dtd for it next month i think. 


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Doobs on January 31, 2019, 05:25:02 PM
Guess you can charge what you like and people will stil show up.   151 runners already today in the GUKPT main and it is only 1A. 

Overs/unders on readers of the small print?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on January 31, 2019, 05:32:13 PM
To add some balance the Walsall 25/25 last weekend didn't even make the GTD or only just made it after routinely smashing double thhe GTD for years now the rake is 12.5%.  I think the one place the rake won't make a difference is probably the Vic. 


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: bergeroo on January 31, 2019, 06:59:51 PM
The Vic always smashes it. They have struggled with some of the guarantees in the Deepstacks too and I believe laid off a bunch of dealers around the country.

The poker manager at the central Birmingham branch is leaving. Not sure of the details but not sure he wanted to go. I am not a reg there by any means but I thought he was really good at promoting the room. Poker clearly not a priority for the company.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: ripple11 on January 31, 2019, 08:15:21 PM
The Vic always smashes it. They have struggled with some of the guarantees in the Deepstacks too and I believe laid off a bunch of dealers around the country.

The poker manager at the central Birmingham branch is leaving. Not sure of the details but not sure he wanted to go. I am not a reg there by any means but I thought he was really good at promoting the room. Poker clearly not a priority for the company.

Reading only just made the deepstack GTD of 12K. Just 22 players day 2 ...11 paid.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Doobs on January 31, 2019, 08:48:49 PM
The Vic always smashes it. They have struggled with some of the guarantees in the Deepstacks too and I believe laid off a bunch of dealers around the country.

The poker manager at the central Birmingham branch is leaving. Not sure of the details but not sure he wanted to go. I am not a reg there by any means but I thought he was really good at promoting the room. Poker clearly not a priority for the company.

I don't think that follows.   They have a pretty big roster of pros now, and they are pushing this leaderboard, even if we are paying for the promotion budget - well we would be if we were all complete mugs.

Poker is going to be a bigger priority in some casinos than others? 


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Doobs on January 31, 2019, 09:49:08 PM
From the GUKPT blog:

Registration has now closed here on Day 1a of GUKPT London. There has been a huge turnout of 175 entries, which is way up on the 132 that turned out last year.





Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Longines on January 31, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
It's like a who's who of LNP at the Vic tonight. Only played four hours of the Omaha comp and played with four faces.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: pleno1 on February 01, 2019, 08:40:52 AM
Will be there today, come and say hi if anybody is playing!


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Longines on February 01, 2019, 01:54:46 PM
Trigg on the live stream table currently.

http://www.gukpt.com/live-stream-2/live-stream/


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Longines on February 01, 2019, 03:27:17 PM
Live table has changed and now has Anon in seat 3. Surely calling them Alanis would be better.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: 4KSuited on February 02, 2019, 06:10:45 PM
China Mug on the feature table. GL Tom


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Killerkilsby on February 02, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
Which one is he?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: 4KSuited on February 02, 2019, 06:51:20 PM
Which one is he?

Seat 6

More home viewing ahead!


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: DropTheHammer on February 04, 2019, 10:26:11 PM
So a deal was (unsurprisingly) done to flatten out the really top heavy payouts, and there are some quasi-anonymous players about now 🙂


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on February 04, 2019, 11:02:50 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: bergeroo on February 05, 2019, 11:18:51 AM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: ripple11 on February 05, 2019, 12:18:18 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

Don't hate Grosvenor...just need the poker to fit round work/life.

 As someone who can't get to a casino at any time during a weekday, the online day 1 on a Wednesday, works for me......if I qualify I can plan/juggle Sunday and know I'm free Saturday for family/kids activities etc. Otherwise I can choose to play live on the Saturday.

 The 25/25 doesnt offer a mid week online sat....only "last chance" on the Saturday evening...so doable ,but not ideal for me.

No online or Saturday day 1 for GUKPT is no good for me.

Although the rake / %'s / seats taken out on these deepstacks aren't good.....the advantage of just turning up for some poker on a day 2 live is attractive.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on February 05, 2019, 12:32:45 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

It’s a pretty poor offering tbh. GUKPT sides were £135+£15, why is this £130+£20?
Seats taken out of prize pool is neutrally viewed at best, and a negative for some.
2% extra taken to fund their promotional budget for the entire GUKPT.
Now they are paying out in vouchers, it’s not making it look any more attractive is it?

They are in Stockton this week. I won’t be playing.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on February 05, 2019, 01:21:40 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

Resorts is crushing it.  Their mid tier buy ins just seem to crush the local scene now.  They always seem to appeal to the masses more.  Cheaper buy ins/bigger gtd's.  G Casinos in the midlands poker wise have a real staff turnover issue currently.  One of the Walsall poker supervisors has just left to deal at resorts and had a substantial pay rise for less responsibilty.  Several other supervisors at walsall are leaving and the card room manager at Hill St has recently left as well.  It does seem like the wheels really are falling off locally in Bham for Grov at the minute.   The 25/25 at walsall recently was a shambles and didn't meet the gtd when it would have made 50/60k previously.

The experience at Resorts is just different class to any G but the trouble is most of the mugs don't play at resorts world and the cash games are pretty tough generally.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Doobs on February 05, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

It’s a pretty poor offering tbh. GUKPT sides were £135+£15, why is this £130+£20?
Seats taken out of prize pool is neutrally viewed at best, and a negative for some.
2% extra taken to fund their promotional budget for the entire GUKPT.
Now they are paying out in vouchers, it’s not making it look any more attractive is it?

They are in Stockton this week. I won’t be playing.

If you play enough to get one of the top prizes from the 2% extra rake the £2,000 expenses is managed by main event travel.   Sure people would prefer the 2k in their back pockets.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: arbboy on February 05, 2019, 01:34:25 PM
As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events



That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

It’s a pretty poor offering tbh. GUKPT sides were £135+£15, why is this £130+£20?
Seats taken out of prize pool is neutrally viewed at best, and a negative for some.
2% extra taken to fund their promotional budget for the entire GUKPT.
Now they are paying out in vouchers, it’s not making it look any more attractive is it?

They are in Stockton this week. I won’t be playing.

If you play enough to get one of the top prizes from the 2% extra rake the £2,000 expenses is managed by main event travel.   Sure people would prefer the 2k in their back pockets.

The cash grab just gets worse.  Those Main event travel sponsored all in buttons need to be paid for somehow on the G tables.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Rexas on February 05, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
Resorts is absolutely killing it right now as has been said, they seem to have very aggressively moved in on the business previously held by Bham Hill St, Walsall and Coventry. This is how I see it:

So brand loyalty is stupid, right? I shopped exclusively at Tesco for years for no good reason, until they discontinued my favourite Chicken Tikka Pasty and I rage quit to Morrisons. I now exclusively shop there. There are lots of people around the Notts area that will only go to DtD, and have never been to either of the other two options in Notts/haven't given them a chance. I also know several people who exclusively play at the Notts Grosvenor. Most of these people are not interested in the competition, and believe they're in the best place for them, even though they have extremely limited experience of the alternatives and have no interest in considering them. I tend to swap between the G and DTD at the moment and it takes something attractive to convince me to go somewhere else, even for just one evening.

Resorts seem to get that, and so they've put on some really great promotions. The cash game giveaway thing where they're giving away £500 every hour and some of the tournaments they've been putting on, coupled with how easy it is to get there, has got people talking. It's been enough to convince a lot of people, including me, to give them a shot. And when you get there, you find a really well organised card room. All the staff seem to actually want to be there as well as being good at their jobs. The food isn't completely awful, they're not slaughtering anyone with rake and all this creates an atmosphere where even the majority of the regulars aren't miserable. So they're not just doing things to get you through the door, once you're there they're showing you that they have a really slick set up to offer and they're trying hard to make sure you come away with a good impression. They're also clever enough to avoid running these promotions/tournaments too often so they become boring and lose the novelty aspect, and so people don't do their money too fast chasing them.

So that's what Resorts are doing right, but what about Grosvenor's response? They've smashed up the rake in their tournaments, which not only looks bad to the regs but it means that everyone who is losing in their games is doing their money that much faster. This vouchers thing is ridiculous - most people will do their money in the casino anyway, and they know it, but they don't want it rammed down their throats. They also seem to have gone back on their assertion that this was only for the little daily tournaments since they paid out the overlay in that deepstack in vouchers.

G have been running some good looking stuff. The Goliath killed it again, they're running some cash game promos, and I even managed to accidentally qualify for the Titan last year through one of these promotions. But when they get people through the door, what have they done with them? I'm going to use my experiences at the Ricoh last year as the example, because it's where they hold the Goliath and where they've been holding the final days of tournaments like the Titan so I assume it's a cardroom that's on the upper end in Grosvenor's eyes. The Goliath was a fucking mess. The cash games were split all over the place, the electronic list system just didn't work, staff were either rude af or clearly shattered and no-one seemed to have control over what as going on. The dealers got put up in the hotel overlooking the football pitch and they all got kicked out of their rooms at 9am on the Saturday because of a football match. Some of them had come off 12 hour plus shifts at 6am. Absolutely disgusting way to treat your staff. I can't speak for the tournaments, but I sure hope they were run a hell of a lot better given the rake they've been charging.

Maybe it's just that the Goliath was way busier than they expected, maybe it's better at different times? Well, when I went for the final day of the Titan (brags), they knew in advance how many people they'd have. About 100 odd people made it through, having qualified from different locations around the midlands. Started at 14:00, so a lot of those people (me included) would be driving through lunch time and want to grab food at the venue. There was one waiter working in the entire building. After an hour of waiting for service whilst playing the tournament, I decided to just go up to the bar and order. When I asked the lass there for a menu, she gave me the 24 hour one. I knew this wasn't the right menu for the time, so I asked if they were doing anything off the main menu. She then produced a main menu that was so faded you could barely see the names of the food or the prices on there, but fine whatever at least we were getting somewhere. I ordered a hot dog, and waited for her to find this option on the till. She couldn't. She apologised and asked a manager who was walking past if she knew where it was. Without looking or attempting to help in any way, she kept on walking past and just said "no, no idea". Waitress behind the till was getting pretty flustered and I wasn't exactly happy, so I said don't worry about it and went back to the cardroom (this wasn't a tournament break, I was missing hands while this was going on.) The one waiter was still nowhere to be seen, so I went to complain to the cardroom manager. He apologised and said he'd send someone over. Nearly an hour later I managed to collar this same waiter and get some food ordered. The regs just laughed when I mentioned this to them and said that's how it always is. The awful service was literally a joke to them.

Now I will say at this point that I think the Nottingham G is absolutely fantastic, but this seems to be an exception and even they are experiencing cuts in staff numbers and the quality of the food there has tanked in the last year or so.

Bottom line is if I want to go somewhere that I feel welcome and valued, I won't be going to a Grosvenor. Despite being well established after years of business, the Gs around Resorts are finding their regulars jumping ship. I think it's got nothing really to do with the guarantees or the promotions, or even the rake. I think it's because if you go to Resorts, you're going to be looked after.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Omm on February 05, 2019, 04:03:21 PM
Resorts is absolutely killing it right now as has been said, they seem to have very aggressively moved in on the business previously held by Bham Hill St, Walsall and Coventry. This is how I see it:

So brand loyalty is stupid, right? I shopped exclusively at Tesco for years for no good reason, until they discontinued my favourite Chicken Tikka Pasty and I rage quit to Morrisons. I now exclusively shop there. There are lots of people around the Notts area that will only go to DtD, and have never been to either of the other two options in Notts/haven't given them a chance. I also know several people who exclusively play at the Notts Grosvenor. Most of these people are not interested in the competition, and believe they're in the best place for them, even though they have extremely limited experience of the alternatives and have no interest in considering them. I tend to swap between the G and DTD at the moment and it takes something attractive to convince me to go somewhere else, even for just one evening.

Resorts seem to get that, and so they've put on some really great promotions. The cash game giveaway thing where they're giving away £500 every hour and some of the tournaments they've been putting on, coupled with how easy it is to get there, has got people talking. It's been enough to convince a lot of people, including me, to give them a shot. And when you get there, you find a really well organised card room. All the staff seem to actually want to be there as well as being good at their jobs. The food isn't completely awful, they're not slaughtering anyone with rake and all this creates an atmosphere where even the majority of the regulars aren't miserable. So they're not just doing things to get you through the door, once you're there they're showing you that they have a really slick set up to offer and they're trying hard to make sure you come away with a good impression. They're also clever enough to avoid running these promotions/tournaments too often so they become boring and lose the novelty aspect, and so people don't do their money too fast chasing them.

So that's what Resorts are doing right, but what about Grosvenor's response? They've smashed up the rake in their tournaments, which not only looks bad to the regs but it means that everyone who is losing in their games is doing their money that much faster. This vouchers thing is ridiculous - most people will do their money in the casino anyway, and they know it, but they don't want it rammed down their throats. They also seem to have gone back on their assertion that this was only for the little daily tournaments since they paid out the overlay in that deepstack in vouchers.

G have been running some good looking stuff. The Goliath killed it again, they're running some cash game promos, and I even managed to accidentally qualify for the Titan last year through one of these promotions. But when they get people through the door, what have they done with them? I'm going to use my experiences at the Ricoh last year as the example, because it's where they hold the Goliath and where they've been holding the final days of tournaments like the Titan so I assume it's a cardroom that's on the upper end in Grosvenor's eyes. The Goliath was a fucking mess. The cash games were split all over the place, the electronic list system just didn't work, staff were either rude af or clearly shattered and no-one seemed to have control over what as going on. The dealers got put up in the hotel overlooking the football pitch and they all got kicked out of their rooms at 9am on the Saturday because of a football match. Some of them had come off 12 hour plus shifts at 6am. Absolutely disgusting way to treat your staff. I can't speak for the tournaments, but I sure hope they were run a hell of a lot better given the rake they've been charging.

Maybe it's just that the Goliath was way busier than they expected, maybe it's better at different times? Well, when I went for the final day of the Titan (brags), they knew in advance how many people they'd have. About 100 odd people made it through, having qualified from different locations around the midlands. Started at 14:00, so a lot of those people (me included) would be driving through lunch time and want to grab food at the venue. There was one waiter working in the entire building. After an hour of waiting for service whilst playing the tournament, I decided to just go up to the bar and order. When I asked the lass there for a menu, she gave me the 24 hour one. I knew this wasn't the right menu for the time, so I asked if they were doing anything off the main menu. She then produced a main menu that was so faded you could barely see the names of the food or the prices on there, but fine whatever at least we were getting somewhere. I ordered a hot dog, and waited for her to find this option on the till. She couldn't. She apologised and asked a manager who was walking past if she knew where it was. Without looking or attempting to help in any way, she kept on walking past and just said "no, no idea". Waitress behind the till was getting pretty flustered and I wasn't exactly happy, so I said don't worry about it and went back to the cardroom (this wasn't a tournament break, I was missing hands while this was going on.) The one waiter was still nowhere to be seen, so I went to complain to the cardroom manager. He apologised and said he'd send someone over. Nearly an hour later I managed to collar this same waiter and get some food ordered. The regs just laughed when I mentioned this to them and said that's how it always is. The awful service was literally a joke to them.

Now I will say at this point that I think the Nottingham G is absolutely fantastic, but this seems to be an exception and even they are experiencing cuts in staff numbers and the quality of the food there has tanked in the last year or so.

Bottom line is if I want to go somewhere that I feel welcome and valued, I won't be going to a Grosvenor. Despite being well established after years of business, the Gs around Resorts are finding their regulars jumping ship. I think it's got nothing really to do with the guarantees or the promotions, or even the rake. I think it's because if you go to Resorts, you're going to be looked after.


Some fair points.


The food at Luton has gone down hill as well. I happened to get a survey which I filled in and within 15 mins (this was around lunchtime midweek) the GM has called me to apologise and put £50 on my Points card. He said the food should be getting better over the next few months as they can go back to having more control over it.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: George2Loose on February 05, 2019, 06:04:38 PM
My two cents.

Grosvenor just don’t give a shit about poker. They are in it for the short term looking to take as much as possible then ride off into the sunset. They also have an archaic senior management who don’t listen are stuck in the past do not want to innovate.

My local casino is a Grosvenor and playing less and less and I’m glad others are voting with their feet. Whoever came up with this voucher system should be sacked on the spot.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: RED-DOG on February 05, 2019, 09:13:37 PM
My two cents.

Grosvenor just don’t give a shit about poker. They are in it for the short term looking to take as much as possible then ride off into the sunset. They also have an archaic senior management who don’t listen are stuck in the past do not want to innovate.

My local casino is a Grosvenor and playing less and less and I’m glad others are voting with their feet. Whoever came up with this voucher system should be sacked on the spot.

Amen.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: tikay on February 18, 2019, 03:35:49 PM

Seen on Twitter today;


 (http://i.imgur.com/rsbDGME.png) (https://imgur.com/rsbDGME)


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on February 18, 2019, 03:54:38 PM

Seen on Twitter today;


 (http://i.imgur.com/rsbDGME.png) (https://imgur.com/rsbDGME)

Hmmmm

Some of those changes are improvements.

No seats from prize pool is a big plus.

Assume that they still take a % for the regulars on the GUKPT circuit.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Doobs on February 18, 2019, 04:21:36 PM

Seen on Twitter today;


 (http://i.imgur.com/rsbDGME.png) (https://imgur.com/rsbDGME)

Hmmmm

Some of those changes are improvements.

No seats from prize pool is a big plus.

Assume that they still take a % for the regulars on the GUKPT circuit.

Yep, still 980+130. 

I am not really averse to vouchers, so long as they are limited to guarantee costs.   You are still getting overpaid vs buyins if you get a voucher.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: the sicilian on February 18, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
whats the clock for the deepstacks ?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Marky147 on February 18, 2019, 07:39:23 PM
whats the clock for the deepstacks ?

About ten minutes for you.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: the sicilian on February 18, 2019, 09:13:31 PM
whats the clock for the deepstacks ?

About ten minutes for you.
Loooooooooooooooooool

was asking for a friend :)


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Marky147 on February 18, 2019, 09:34:31 PM
whats the clock for the deepstacks ?

About ten minutes for you.
Loooooooooooooooooool

was asking for a friend :)

In that case, 5 minutes (Presuming it was Vin)


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: the sicilian on February 18, 2019, 09:37:06 PM
im so transparent


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: fatshaft on March 09, 2019, 04:35:55 PM
My two cents.

Grosvenor just don’t give a shit about poker. They are in it for the short term looking to take as much as possible then ride off into the sunset. They also have an archaic senior management who don’t listen are stuck in the past do not want to innovate.

My local casino is a Grosvenor and playing less and less and I’m glad others are voting with their feet. Whoever came up with this voucher system should be sacked on the spot.
Smacks of head office accountant idea


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: 4KSuited on March 31, 2019, 12:42:40 PM
25/25 Day 2 at Luton

Blinds will be 1k/2k/2k bb ante

Punters can still buy in for a 25k ss up to 10mins before the start of play

Is it just me that thinks this is insane?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on March 31, 2019, 02:43:16 PM
25/25 Day 2 at Luton

Blinds will be 1k/2k/2k bb ante

Punters can still buy in for a 25k ss up to 10mins before the start of play

Is it just me that thinks this is insane?



I’m sure that Pads will be along soon to explain why it is a good move for players of his ability level to buy in at this stage, and at the same time he’ll tell us that it is good for everyone else already in the tournament.
I won’t be convinced though.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: 4KSuited on March 31, 2019, 04:28:39 PM
Yes, I would agree that it’s good for all the players with stacks of ~30bb+ but I was rather thinking about the ppl entering.

And yes, I have to accept that if Pads says it’s good for players of his ability, then who am I to argue?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: celtic on March 31, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
There was a 550 here at the weekend and late reg closed at start of 3000/6000/6000 and 40k stack.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on April 21, 2019, 10:55:10 PM
Easter Beast - 20k starting stack, people buying in at 1000/2000 with a BB Ante so 20% of the stack has to go in when the blinds hit.

Buying in to Day 2 at 1500/3000 ... it will be interesting to see if anyone is that foolish brave tomorrow.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: HutchGF on April 22, 2019, 08:32:32 PM
Chaos at Manchester BNR today by all accounts........

Not enough dealers and players having to alternate on available tables.

Half the field played the first level, then sat out while the other half played the same level.

Madness!


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Rexas on April 23, 2019, 01:53:45 AM
Chaos at Manchester BNR today by all accounts........

Not enough dealers and players having to alternate on available tables.

Half the field played the first level, then sat out while the other half played the same level.

Madness!

Feels like a sinking ship, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Pokerpops on April 23, 2019, 06:51:06 AM
Chaos at Manchester BNR today by all accounts........

Not enough dealers and players having to alternate on available tables.

Half the field played the first level, then sat out while the other half played the same level.

Madness!

Feels like a sinking ship, doesn't it?

Scuttled.

BTW one of our local heroes bought in yesterday hoping to recoup the 5 bullets he’d fired on Friday night. He span his 20k to a £350 prize.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Omm on June 04, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
Does anyone know what blind level the mini main at Luton will start at today? can buy in on day two but want to have at least 10bbs to spin up.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: celtic on June 04, 2019, 12:37:29 PM
Does anyone know what blind level the mini main at Luton will start at today? can buy in on day two but want to have at least 10bbs to spin up.

1200/2400. BB ante.


Title: Re: Grosvenor 2019
Post by: Omm on June 04, 2019, 01:16:30 PM
Does anyone know what blind level the mini main at Luton will start at today? can buy in on day two but want to have at least 10bbs to spin up.

1200/2400. BB ante.

Thanks Vin, short stack special then  ;D