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Title: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on February 16, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
Football Index
Couldn’t see any posts on here about this.
Not sure if people are aware of this relatively new platform, it has recently had a lot of advertising on sky and talk sport.

In basic terms it is a stockmarket for football players, players prices rise and fall depending on how many shares (known as futures on FI) are brought and sold. Dividends are paid out on players and those that win the most dividends are generally the highest price.

The market is fairly buoyant at the moment given the amount of recent advertising bringing in new users and an impending share split which should produce more price rises.

I started three months ago and have a current ROI of 30%!

Now is defiantly the time to get involved and anyone who signs up using the following link gets us both £10 free money in our accounts, what’s not to like about that!

http://trade.footballindex.co.uk/raf/?tag=91088&name=Matt H

If anyone has any questions then ask away or PM me.


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on February 24, 2019, 01:17:23 PM
I’m really surprised that no one on a betting forum is interested in this, would be interested to know why?

Is it because it’s not mainstream yet? Or because it isn’t like regular betting?

Since I posted this a week ago I have made just shy of £150, now I am not saying it is easy and/or guaranteed money but if you know your football there is definitely money to be made.

Are there any other blonde members already on FI?


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Killerkilsby on February 24, 2019, 06:55:44 PM
I just don’t know enough about it and for absolutely no reason I feel its open to be corrupted. No logic or rationale just why I havnt bothered.


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: DungBeetle on February 24, 2019, 08:24:47 PM
What determines player price?  Is it just a random black box algo?  I’d so why should I believe the algo won’t just deliver according to bookie position?


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on February 25, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
Players prices move based on the number of shares brought or sold.
For each 100 shares brought in a player his price rises by £0.01.


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: DungBeetle on February 26, 2019, 06:28:09 PM
Players prices move based on the number of shares brought or sold.
For each 100 shares brought in a player his price rises by £0.01.

So 10,000 shares bought to move the price £1.  Sounds dull to me and just relying on anticipating herd mentality to make money.  Plus you need big liquidity


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on February 26, 2019, 08:14:44 PM
Liquidity is fairly big and constantly growing.
FI tweeted a couple of days ago that £35 million was traded in the last 30 days.

I have made £1,500 from a £5k deposit in just 3 months.
I’m just keen for others to make money too  :)


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: DropTheHammer on February 27, 2019, 01:18:56 PM
It’s not really accurate to link Football Index with the stock market. From what I can make out FI takes a 2% cut from all purchases, which funds all their costs and the dividends paid out?

Anyway, this makes it a negative-sum game unlike the stock market which is positive-sum. The stock market has profits from companies coming in, but FI doesn’t have player wages, or transfer fees coming in.

Therefore FI can only continue to grow if new gamblers come in adding more funds and taking positions, forcing up the prices. They’re not investors as they don’t own anything, more like spread bettors taking a position on players whose value they think will rise.

If players retire do you just lose all your money?

I read something about a 3-year expiry on all purchases...if you don’t sell before then you just lose that investment, which I guess goes to FI?

It seems that you can make money by gambling on this, as you just need better info than the majority of other players - do you watch a lot of foreign football?


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on February 28, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
It’s not really accurate to link Football Index with the stock market. From what I can make out FI takes a 2% cut from all purchases, which funds all their costs and the dividends paid out?

Anyway, this makes it a negative-sum game unlike the stock market which is positive-sum. The stock market has profits from companies coming in, but FI doesn’t have player wages, or transfer fees coming in.

Therefore FI can only continue to grow if new gamblers come in adding more funds and taking positions, forcing up the prices. They’re not investors as they don’t own anything, more like spread bettors taking a position on players whose value they think will rise.

If players retire do you just lose all your money?

I read something about a 3-year expiry on all purchases...if you don’t sell before then you just lose that investment, which I guess goes to FI?

It seems that you can make money by gambling on this, as you just need better info than the majority of other players - do you watch a lot of foreign football?

Ultimately you are correct, it is a gambling platform.
I am not here to sell the product, I am on it and enjoy it and I make good money from it at the moment.
And was just wondering if any other blondes might like to get on board at this early stage of the growth.

Yes it needs money input to make it grow, and eventually it may stagnate. But at the moment it is new and growing at a decent rate and the advertising should assist with that.

After 3 years yes your shares in a player expire, but not many people would keep shares on a player for that long, and if you do then you just have to sell them.




Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: dino1980 on February 28, 2019, 08:10:42 PM
Hey Matt,

I deposited £100 on the site a few months ago to have a dabble but haven’t actually done any trading yet. I read the rules and it also seemed that the amount of news articles a player is featured in helps drive the price too. Is that right?

Basically after reading how it works I kinda decided it would take up more time than I had if I was going to do it properly.

So a few questions:

1. You say you deposited £5k. What would the minimum roll you think someone would need to start with?
2. How many hours a week do you spend on this? Assume it’s a lot more during transfer windows?
3. How often/quick are price changes. Basically do you always have to be ‘switched on’ to make profit?


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on March 01, 2019, 08:38:32 AM
Hey Matt,

I deposited £100 on the site a few months ago to have a dabble but haven’t actually done any trading yet. I read the rules and it also seemed that the amount of news articles a player is featured in helps drive the price too. Is that right?

Basically after reading how it works I kinda decided it would take up more time than I had if I was going to do it properly.

So a few questions:

1. You say you deposited £5k. What would the minimum roll you think someone would need to start with?
2. How many hours a week do you spend on this? Assume it’s a lot more during transfer windows?
3. How often/quick are price changes. Basically do you always have to be ‘switched on’ to make profit?

Hi Nick
In answer to your questions
1. It depends what you are looking for, if you are just looking for a bit of fun and interest then 2 or 3 hundred would be fine. At the moment the top players prices are quite high, circa £21 each, but with a share split coming at the end of March more of the top players will become accessible to those with a low investment.
If you are looking to make serious money then you need to be looking at putting in 4 figures minimum.
Like normal betting different people enjoy it betting at different levels.
2. Normally about an hour a day, checking how my portfolio has moved, reading forums, checking twitter and then carrying out any research on any players that might interest me. I know some people who put there portfolio together and then only check it weekly/monthly to see how it has moved.
3. They vary. One of the biggest movements was when Mourinho was sacked and all the united attacking players prices started to rise quickly, so in that sort of instance if you wanted to be involved you need to be on the ball. However a lot of price rises on players are gradual and there is plenty of time to get on. Ultimately when is too late. I brought Jadon Sancho shares at £7.25 and was worried I might have got on too late. He is now at over £15 each!

Dividends are paid out on players in 2 ways on a daily basis. The first is Media Buzz where points are allocated for each news story the player is involved in, the more dividends a player wins the more his price will rise.
The second way is Player Buzz, every player who plays a match in one of the top 5 European leagues receives Opta type points for his performance. The top performing players in their position each day win dividends. This means that someone like Kimmich who scores really well and wins top defender quite a bit is more expensive that van Dijk who is perceived as a better player.
This is where understanding how the market works is so important.


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Chris_T on May 18, 2019, 06:33:32 PM
Who have the top 5 performing players been this season to give an idea of how the algorithm allocates the dividends and how much weighting the news has ie pogba gets all the headlines but his performances have been inconsistent


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on May 25, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Who have the top 5 performing players been this season to give an idea of how the algorithm allocates the dividends and how much weighting the news has ie pogba gets all the headlines but his performances have been inconsistent

Hi Chris

Do you mean top 5 dividend returners? If so since the start of the season they have been
1. Pogba
2. Ronaldo
3. Messi
4. Hazard
5. Neymar

Some win more through performance and others through media


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on July 02, 2019, 07:43:51 PM
The Football Index platform continues to grow.
Next season they will be the main sponsor of Nottingham Forest FC
Growth is still going great, I have just completed 7 months and have an ROI of just under 60%

With the new season just Around the corner and a big marketing push to come hopefully it will go from strength to strength

Just a reminder if you sign up through the link below you get £10 free

http://trade.footballindex.co.uk/raf/?tag=91088&name=Matt H


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on December 03, 2019, 01:51:29 PM
So my first year on Football Index is completed. £6,500 invested, my portfolio currently sits at an ROI of just over 95%, so profit in excess of £6,000.
A big marketing push is just around the corner so numbers are expected to increase in the new year, really feel like this platform is going places.
And it’s never to late to join......


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on December 11, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
For a short time only you can get £50 of free money when you open an account using the link below.
Give it a go, you won’t regret it!

http://links.email.footballindex.co.uk/ctt?kn=54&ms=ODA4MTYwOAS2&r=MjAyOTIxODc3NTA5S0&b=0&j=MTQxMTg2NzAxMwS2&mt=1&rt=0


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Matt50 on December 13, 2019, 11:51:25 AM
There doesn’t seem much interest for this platform on here which surprises me considering it is a mixture of football, betting and to a certain extent fantasy football.

Should also add that in addition to the free £50 if you use the link above there is a £500 money back guarantee if you don’t like the platform.


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Doobs on March 07, 2021, 09:57:31 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/06/football-index-customers-furious-market-crash (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/06/football-index-customers-furious-market-crash)



Thousands of customers with money trapped in Football Index, the self-styled “stock market of football”, have reacted with fury to significant changes to the site’s terms and conditions, which prompted the latest in a series of crashes in its market when the site reopened for trading at 7am on Saturday.

...

The latest crash is the most significant to date and came after the firm gave its users 28 days’ notice of a dramatic reduction in dividend payments. Trading in shares was suspended before the announcement until Saturday morning, when the price at which most shares in the top 200 players on the index could be sold dived to 1p or 2p, with no sell price at all available for many more.


Good luck to those who got involved.  Hope most got some of their money out.


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: tikay on March 07, 2021, 10:01:01 AM
There's been stories circulating on Twitter for some time that Football Index should be avoided, & it looks like they were right.

Hopefully Matt50 escaped unscathed.

google "Football Index Scam" & scores of results come up.

This one was in January;


https://caanberry.com/is-football-index-a-ponzi-scheme/


Short version?




WARNING: This is THE most deceptive/dangerous gambling product I have ever seen!  If you want to lose a few quid a week in a fun fantasy football game, enjoy it.  However, under no circumstances put any significant amount of money in there.  If you have any significant money in there get it the f@*k out now, as the risk of losing it all is significantly greater than you perceive.




Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Doobs on March 07, 2021, 10:33:12 AM
It looked horrid from the start, but thankfully very few seemed interested here. 


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: bergeroo on March 07, 2021, 01:48:40 PM
yeah it seemed to me a question of when the exit strategy would happen and not if. A lot of the people that used the product seem very cultish. Any criticism was shouted down. And of course the more people that signed up was better for them as the values rose. Similar parallels with some crypto bubbles here.


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: bergeroo on March 11, 2021, 11:20:54 PM
Administration

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-index-suspended-share-crash-b1816109.html


Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: horseplayer on March 12, 2021, 11:17:40 AM
Was a Ponzi scheme sadly in all but name

I give it a try a while back but luckily escaped without any damage it just didn't feel right (as well as the obvious)

The almost cult-like tweets and pushes about it (for example this thread) also fired warnings



Title: Re: Football Index
Post by: Chompy on March 13, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
£90m! Amazing stuff really.