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Just been banned from driving for the fourth time today lifetime.  Never ever been done for speeding above 60mph in my life.  Never been done once for speeding on a motorway or a dual carriage way even though i do 80% of my miles on these roads.  Attended at least 5 speed awareness courses (so thats 5 3 points i got off with).  85% of my 3 points have been 36 in a 30 and 47 in a 40 or similar.  Is it a tax fiddle and a revenue generator?  I understand that i should just drive at 30 in a 30 and 40 in a 40 but the direct cost of having 4 lots of 3 points in these marginal spots runs into several thousands after £100 fines and multiple insurance hikes for 5 years.  Does the punishment fit the crime?

I had genuine family reasons today to get off the ban on 'extreme hardship' reasons which were thrown out of court because of my profession and the fact i am single with no kids.  I got the impression yet again if i had to provide for kids it would make a difference.  Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?  Should i feel bad about signing on as i can't 'travel' to work at casinos and race courses or simply fuck the system because it has fucked me?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship' would suggest otherwise.  There was a case highlighted in the press a few months ago where a rugby players wife had the same situation as me and claimed in court that her husband would have to quit his highly paid job as a rugbby pro so theiir kids could get to school if she couldn't drive.   Is that extreme hardship?  Couldn't they just go to a local school or via taxi?  She got off on 'extreme hardship' really?  

From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.

why does it matter if a single bloke makes a living legally playing rugby for a living or playing poker?  Other than the obvious middle england image reasons?  the married man with kids on £100k a year should be able to afford taxis to school foor the kids for 6 months surely so he can attend training in the morning. 

IMO it doesn't, but I'm talking about their opinion.

Plus the single bloke thing. If they stop you from gambling the only the only hardship would be for you, the offender, not a wife and a bunch of kids.

How long is your ban BTW?

The law shouldn't be about opinion and whethher you have kids, you are gay, black white or single.  It should be the same for everyone.  Having kids and a wife shouldn't make you more likely to escape a driving ban than someone who chooses to be single and needs their car just as much for their work (if not more working the anti social hours i do and public transport is impossible) but doesn't have kids and a wife to provide for.  I have zero problem being banned as i am guilty as charged but when i see bullshit family excuses pulled out and rich types escaping for the nonsense they spout it is incredibly frustrating

Standard 6 months for totting up it can never be more or less.  its as fixed as a £100 with 3 point speeding fine.

Why is this? Seems to me that the law should take account of potential suffering of people who have done nothing wrong.

Why should i be rewarded potentially by being feckless all my life and having 6 kids by six different women (all on benefits) which i have to travel to see every week?  Why would that be seen as being a positive for me keeping my licence over choosing responsibly to be single and have no kids and no drain to society?

Think I’ve only got to 6 points twice in my life, both times I slowed down and made sure I didn’t get any more as it would be job gone if I lost my licence. Don’t understand why you didn’t do the same mate?  ;tk;

As we know, that type of person is a tiny, near irrelevant portion of society and mostly just a fantasy of the right wing tabloids. The fecklessness seems like punishment enough for them. The kids shouldn’t imo be subject to extra punishment.

I did this but got done twice doing 35 in a 30 and 46 in a 40.  Its pretty hard to constantly never go slighty about the limit.  My other issue is thatt if you work 9-5 in an office you don't realise mobile speed camera vans exist because they never operate outside of office hours monday to friday.  Yet another tax on someone who doesn't live a 9-5 lifestyle.  I spoke to a couple of 9-5 er's and they said they had never seen a mobile speed van in their life which summed it up.

it doesn't change my life woodsey like it would yours work wise.  i can easily work without a car but that isn't the point.  The system should be the same for all.  If this was a system changing rules based on sex all hell would break loose in 2019.

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Tom do you think mobile speed vans that hide in all sorts of areas looking to 'trap' people doing 35 in a 30 or 45 in a 40 are an effective way of saving lives? Or are they just a tax generator for busto local councils?  I know for a fact 3 of my tickets were in areas where it was impossible for anyone to have ever died or injured in the area tthey were 'protecting'.  They are just looking to raise revenue.  Why don't they sit in the same spots at 7pm and 7am to 'trap' the 9-5ers who escape ever knowing these vans exist?  Why can't they sit there outside office hours to makee it fair for all? 

No, and I don't think I said that at any point.

Get a car with cruise control.   Set it at 31 in a 30, be careful going down hills, job done.  

Some people get away with it, some don't.   I think it is more individual magistrates having different views on the seriousness of 36 in a 30.   I'd be pretty harsh on it.   I think 36 in a 30 is quite a bit worse than 80 in a 70.  

It is but some people do 110 in a 70 and don't get banned.  Loads of drivers sit in the middle lane and never ever get punished and cause total chaos on roads at times on Motorways even though it is an offense.  How many people have you ever met who have been fined for being a middle lane donk?

Pretty sure its going to mean a summer abroad in the sun until September so i should be thankful but it is very annoying none the less

Someome I used to work with got pulled over for it.

She was as appalled as you are.

I couldn't have had less sympathy, though there are always those who try hard to compete

I never got asked to hand over my driving licence card in court when sentenced so it should be pretty easy to go abroad with that and hire a car i imagine given the dates are 'valid' on the card.   Just makes me want to move abroad for the summer even more.

Nearly fell off the sofa when I read that this was your fourth ban.

Totally understand your frustration getting done by the mobile vans. I've been caught 3 times in the same place - they park the van with a blacked out rear window in a lay-by, c.50 meters before the speed limit changes from 30 to 50 - and it was only on the third occasion that I actually noticed the fkn van. So, imo, it's largely a money-raising exercise, since there's no shortage of crime in the area and there's 2 motorways to choose from to catch those idiots that drive at 60mph in the two middle lanes.

Went to a speed awareness course myself in the last 6 months, and the one thing that stuck in my memory is the extra 6 meters stopping distance for 31mph compared to 30mph. It'd be truly devastating to find out the difference between 30 and 36mph by colliding with a human - or even a family pet.

i struggle to understand how 'sales reps' like Woodsey haven't got points coming out of their arse as 'day time' drivers in non local areas.  I can't have it that the sales reps of this world don't do 35 in a 30 all the time and constantly have their car on cruise control at 30 having seen many of them drive.  Given i work from home most of the week i don't drive that much compared to most.

Because as I said before we all go ultra cautious when we get to 6 points, if we got to 9 we would literally be shitting ourselves every time we got in the car and make sure we don’t exceed any limits. In the companies I’ve worked there has always been somewhere between 150-300 sales people on the road and I’m honestly struggling to remember anyone who has lost their job as a result of losing their licence as we would simply slow down.

Doesn’t really affect me nowadays anyway I’m long gone well up the greasy pole quite a few years ago, so most of my journeys now are plane or train as I’m all over the Uk and Ireland.

I've been driving all sorts of vehicles at all times of day and night for 45 years and until very recently I used to do well above the average mileage. I have only had 3 lots of penalty points (9 points total) in all that time.

Six of the points were within the same 3 year period and I was ultra careful after that. There was no way I was losing my licence for a reason I had control over.

Saying you have been treated unfairly or suggesting that speeding points are unavoidable is total bollocks.

Suck it up soldier.

^^^^^^

Uncharacteristicly blunt for me. Wish I hadn't posted it now. Sorry.

Sounds like you drive like Maureen off Driving School*


*one of us oldies....

4 bans and 5 speed awareness courses.......bloody hell that being caught 17 times!
 Is this mainly near where you live? I can’t remember the last time I saw a mobile unit in the London area.

At least you are on first name terms with the judge 😂

Thought my 21pts in 2006/7 was some going!

Not sure you can have much to complain about, to be fair :D

Malta is fully booked for the rest of the year.

Ps. Driving abroad Knowing you’re banned will probably lead to any insurance you have being void if you have an accident.

You really should have paid attention in that first Speed Awareness Course. Then you would understand that 36 in a 30 limit is worse than 80 on the motorway.

These people may take bookings for August 23rd...

https://www.advanced-driving.co.uk/essential-thinking-skills/speed-awareness-courses/

What's wrong with 80 on the motorway?

I literally have no idea how you can get caught this many times!

Did you have good legal representation in court?

27 years of driving i have had a lifetime of 9 points from 3 speeding fines, last one over 10 years ago. all on the open road late at night with no one else on the road.
i never break a 20/30/40/50 mph limit even at 3am in the morning when i am the only person on the road.

I have been overtaken by idiots that think they don't need to obey speed limits but hey if getting somewhere a few minutes (and in some cases seconds) quicker is important to people then feel free to speed
 but you have to be prepared for fines and bans

I guess you'll be coming to Nottingham for a few weekends of greyhounds and poker in May/June.

If getting banned was going to cause 'extreme hardship' then why continue speeding?

That's what would be going through my head if I were a judge or magistrate in your case.

I'd also think that you should know better by now and probably know what my decision was going to be before you'd even opened your mouth.

Just playing devil's advocate, you were never getting away with it and to fair even if you had it would only delay the ban a few months anyway.

Might as well take it now so at least you have your licence back for next winter.

Suck it up buttercup ;)

Apart from it being 10mph over the speed limit?

If you are driving at 80 mph and spot an incident in front of you that requires you to stop as soon as you possibly can, then at the precise point where you would have stopped if you were doing 70mph, you will still be travelling at 38mph.

So if that need to stop is a tanker that has jackknifed and is blocking the road, you stop short at 70. But hit it at 38mph if you were doing 80.

Is your attentiveness at 80 sufficiently good to cope with that extra six car lengths of awareness?



By the way, at 100 mph you would still be doing 71mph as you passed the point where you would have stopped if driving at the speed limit.

To be fair I don't think you have taken my attentiveness into the first calculation.

I don’t think that’s where his calculation fails. If you are supremely attentive and slam on straight away, you will still take longer to stop from 80 than 70. Your stopping distance from 80 may be less than someone else’s from 70, but it is still more than yours from 70. Where it fails is it assumes that we are all driving too close and not leaving enough stopping distance.

attentiveness and keeping distance are a pretty good way of avoiding tickets in any case.

I look out for brake lights flashing ahead and slow down when I see them.  I also try to avoid being at the front or the rear of a group of cars.

No no, I meant I probably hadn't stopped after the first incident.

As a general rule, if you are exceeding the speed limit on the motorway you are likely to be closing on the cars in front of you and are at risk of not leaving enough stopping distance.

You need a better lawyer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39053658

Or a better optician.

Get Waze on your phone/satnav, the police and camera warnings are very good.

And stop getting caught in 30/40 zones. The risk vs incremental time saving is tiny compared to driving to the prevailing conditions on NSL roads.

This. A lot of cars that have cruise control also have speed limiters, just bang either on in 30/40 zones.

 Different speed cameras explained:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-6742057/Different-speed-cameras-explained-15-types-used-Britain.html

If you get done for doing 36 you were also most likely displaying at least 40 on your display. Not smart when you're teetering on the edge of a ban.

Stick to 33 in the 30s and 44 in the 40s and you'll be fine.

You can check the accuracy of your display by finding one of those speed warning signs that tells you how fast you were going. 33 in my car always gives a "Thank you" and a "30" for me.