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Title: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on April 03, 2019, 12:49:01 PM
It's likely I will need to do some upgrading/additional SSD on my flagging computer soon, maybe a new tower and I would like to know how much storage your PT4/HEM takes up when you are running a few tables over a long period of time on a regular basis please. I'm happy to have any info as a post here or via pm. It's info for my use only. TYIA


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on April 03, 2019, 08:07:19 PM
8gb should be plenty, i've always had 16gb and it's smooth as you like.

the things that will slow it down when running is not running on SSD (basically a crime at this point) and very large numbers of hands.  if you're on SSD and under 1million hands with 16gb RAM it should never really suffer from any sort of slow down.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: RED-DOG on April 03, 2019, 09:16:09 PM
8gb should be plenty, i've always had 16gb and it's smooth as you like.

the things that will slow it down when running is not running on SSD (basically a crime at this point) and very large numbers of hands.  if you're on SSD and under 1million hands with 16gb RAM it should never really suffer from any sort of slow down.

Beat me to it.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Longines on April 03, 2019, 10:45:48 PM
Have a look at NVMe hard disks if you have a recent motherboard, they can be up to 10x the speed of regular SSDs.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on April 04, 2019, 12:09:28 PM

Thanks guys, much appreciated x


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: RED-DOG on April 04, 2019, 12:15:44 PM
Any time.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on April 04, 2019, 01:09:18 PM
Any time.

the other thing Red was going to say is that HEM is generally alot more laggy than PT.

Hand2Note is a newer product by a Russian guy which is much smoother with some nice advanced options but it ends up costing more due to a monthly subscription as opposed to one off payment.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: RED-DOG on April 04, 2019, 01:53:30 PM
Any time.

the other thing Red was going to say is that HEM is generally alot more laggy than PT.

Hand2Note is a newer product by a Russian guy which is much smoother with some nice advanced options but it ends up costing more due to a monthly subscription as opposed to one off payment.


Correctamundo.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: POWWWWWWWW on April 04, 2019, 02:17:37 PM
HEM3 just finished or is in the final stages of beta testing. It seems to run smoother and is less of a resource hog than 2.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on April 05, 2019, 09:03:53 PM

I have PT4 Holdem and Omaha but mainly just using Holdem at the mo, I don't have Notecaddy yet. I'm talking to a good friend who can build computers but I'm not techy enough to do that yet with help from him via any means so it's going to be a supplier bought one. He has asked me questions on how much storage I would need for the PT4 database. His thoughts are that if I went with an SSD he would use it for the essential computer programs whereas I went for using it for the PT4 storage so that would mean possibly an internal and external SSD which brings the spec and cost into the equation and my questions as I have a budget to begin with so all your thoughts have been gratefully received.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Newportlad on April 05, 2019, 10:38:59 PM
Red Dog sums it up perfectly IMO.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: RED-DOG on April 06, 2019, 09:26:18 AM
It's truly humbling. Mere words cannot express how grateful you are to have me here.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on April 06, 2019, 10:41:47 AM

I have PT4 Holdem and Omaha but mainly just using Holdem at the mo, I don't have Notecaddy yet. I'm talking to a good friend who can build computers but I'm not techy enough to do that yet with help from him via any means so it's going to be a supplier bought one. He has asked me questions on how much storage I would need for the PT4 database. His thoughts are that if I went with an SSD he would use it for the essential computer programs whereas I went for using it for the PT4 storage so that would mean possibly an internal and external SSD which brings the spec and cost into the equation and my questions as I have a budget to begin with so all your thoughts have been gratefully received.


essential computer programs = windows and poker database  ;nanana;

Until you start playing huge volume you wont have a huge database so you shouldn't worry about filling an SSD 'too quick'.


What is your budget ? what are you looking at? what do you want to use the pc for and games or just browsing and poker?

do you need a laptop or can you get a desktop?


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on April 08, 2019, 10:15:27 AM

I have PT4 Holdem and Omaha but mainly just using Holdem at the mo, I don't have Notecaddy yet. I'm talking to a good friend who can build computers but I'm not techy enough to do that yet with help from him via any means so it's going to be a supplier bought one. He has asked me questions on how much storage I would need for the PT4 database. His thoughts are that if I went with an SSD he would use it for the essential computer programs whereas I went for using it for the PT4 storage so that would mean possibly an internal and external SSD which brings the spec and cost into the equation and my questions as I have a budget to begin with so all your thoughts have been gratefully received.


essential computer programs = windows and poker database  ;nanana;

Until you start playing huge volume you wont have a huge database so you shouldn't worry about filling an SSD 'too quick'.


What is your budget ? what are you looking at? what do you want to use the pc for and games or just browsing and poker?

do you need a laptop or can you get a desktop?

Initial budget is 1k and that is for a new tower with an SSD plus possibly another SSD (I'm waiting for my buddy to come back with his shortlist) as I already have 2 good screens (I'm like Harry Potter, under the stairs so the sizes can't change) I'll also need a camera but they aren't expensive. I'd also like some recording software, maybe there is a good free one or that can be added later.

Thanks Titty x


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on April 08, 2019, 11:06:00 AM

I have PT4 Holdem and Omaha but mainly just using Holdem at the mo, I don't have Notecaddy yet. I'm talking to a good friend who can build computers but I'm not techy enough to do that yet with help from him via any means so it's going to be a supplier bought one. He has asked me questions on how much storage I would need for the PT4 database. His thoughts are that if I went with an SSD he would use it for the essential computer programs whereas I went for using it for the PT4 storage so that would mean possibly an internal and external SSD which brings the spec and cost into the equation and my questions as I have a budget to begin with so all your thoughts have been gratefully received.


essential computer programs = windows and poker database  ;nanana;

Until you start playing huge volume you wont have a huge database so you shouldn't worry about filling an SSD 'too quick'.


What is your budget ? what are you looking at? what do you want to use the pc for and games or just browsing and poker?

do you need a laptop or can you get a desktop?

Initial budget is 1k and that is for a new tower with an SSD plus possibly another SSD (I'm waiting for my buddy to come back with his shortlist) as I already have 2 good screens (I'm like Harry Potter, under the stairs so the sizes can't change) I'll also need a camera but they aren't expensive. I'd also like some recording software, maybe there is a good free one or that can be added later.

Thanks Titty x

I forgot to say, we are looking at towers that I'll be able to upgrade myself at a later date with more memory, better CPU, graphics etc as i can do that.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Doobs on April 08, 2019, 04:46:42 PM
Hey Red Dog Helpline.

My youngest has inherited my eldest's phone.  It is a ZTE Blade A110 cheapo phone.  Everytime she tries to watch Toy Caboodle, cookie swirl C or CarleyleeHD it screws up the internet for the whole house.  Everyody else loses their connection. and hers dies too.  It is a very useful feature in letting me know when she is sneaking on the internet from her bed, but pretty annoying in the middle of poker hands.  I have tried switching it on and off again and tried getting grumpy with her.  There seems little issue when she bluetooths the internet off my phone.   

Amazing what you can get for £30 with a phone, but it really is a bag of shit.  She loves it though.

She has a cheapo tab, but has no idea where she left it. She has moved on from the more practical youtube watching device now that she has a "phone".  She doesn't use the phone to ring anyone, and even if she tried, the Sim has gone.

Thanks


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: RED-DOG on April 08, 2019, 05:31:24 PM
Supernatural forces at work obv.

You need to remove the turf from a 6ft diamiter circle in the middle of your lawn and then divide this into quaters using Ash poles.

Starting in the top left corner, place the following items into the circle.

A dead toad.
A rag impregnated with your own sweat.
Four slices of unleavened bread.
A raven's tail feather.

At the stroke of midnight, go out into the garden naked, light a candle and place it into the centre of the circle, then go indoors, open your laptop, log on to Amazon and order your daughter a new phone.

PS- you can also do the bolded part at midday but everyone will be able to see you messing about naked in the garden.



Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: tikay on April 08, 2019, 06:05:15 PM

Ha, brilliant.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on April 08, 2019, 06:44:16 PM
tower is good for price, and as you say allows for you to leave space to expand/improve.

for 1k you can get a pretty decent build and if you already have monitors etc then you should be able to get an i5 or better 8gb ram, 248gb ssd, 1-2tb hd which should see you sitting pretty.

preference would be 16gb ram but see what you find.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on April 08, 2019, 06:44:59 PM
just as an example from hotukdeals, and if you have a friend who is helping you, check out this build vs price. it's imo a very good deal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/382373140595


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Marky147 on April 08, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
just as an example from hotukdeals, and if you have a friend who is helping you, check out this build vs price. it's imo a very good deal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/382373140595

I've bought my last 2 towers from CCL, and think the last one was just under a grand.


Yep, found the invoice from November '17 -


3 Year On-Site Warranty Upgrade (UK Mainland only)
1 Scythe Katana 4 Quiet CPU Cooler
1 Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 867Mbps PCI Express WiFi
1 Microsoft Windows 10 Home - 64-Bit DVD (OEM)
1 Kingston UV400 240GB 2.5" SATA III SSD
1 Seagate FireCuda 2TB SATA III 3.5" Hybrid Drive
1 Intel Core i5 7600 3.5GHz Quad Core (Socket 1151)
2 Adata Premier 8GB (1x 8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 RAM
1 MSI Radeon RX 560 AERO ITX 4GB Graphics Card
1 Aero Cool Integrator OEM 500W 80+ PSU 0
1 CCL Choice DVD Writer Optical Drive MBD1788
1 Gigabyte H110M-S2H Intel Socket 1151 Motherboard
1 Thermaltake Versa H15 Midi Tower Black Case
1 Mains Power Cable
1 Game Max Sirocco (120mm) Blue LED Chassis Fan


£964.98


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on April 08, 2019, 07:14:44 PM
the build I linked is a pretty high end gaming pc way above the specs asked for an only 250 quid over budget (or 25% :D )  there are a few more on the side bar by them linked which are slightly over budget but excellent set ups for the price.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Marky147 on April 08, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
I'm absolutely clueless, so just maxed everything, as I was still really busy with slots and wanted something that I could run a bunch of sites at once.

I had the bloke on chat while I was going through it. He just laughed and said unless you're trying to launch something to the moon, you do not need half of the spec you have selected.

Thought that was pretty decent of him, as he could have taken me for another grand or so :D


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: RED-DOG on April 08, 2019, 07:27:06 PM
just as an example from hotukdeals, and if you have a friend who is helping you, check out this build vs price. it's imo a very good deal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/382373140595



MPN: AMDC03030507010001?

I prefer MPN: AMDC03030507010002 myself but whatever.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Marky147 on April 08, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
just as an example from hotukdeals, and if you have a friend who is helping you, check out this build vs price. it's imo a very good deal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/382373140595



MPN: AMDC03030507010001?

I prefer MPN: AMDC03030507010002 myself but whatever.

;D


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Doobs on April 08, 2019, 10:52:15 PM
Supernatural forces at work obv.

You need to remove the turf from a 6ft diamiter circle in the middle of your lawn and then divide this into quaters using Ash poles.

Starting in the top left corner, place the following items into the circle.

A dead toad.
A rag impregnated with your own sweat.
Four slices of unleavened bread.
A raven's tail feather.

At the stroke of midnight, go out into the garden naked, light a candle and place it into the centre of the circle, then go indoors, open your laptop, log on to Amazon and order your daughter a new phone.

PS- you can also do the bolded part at midday but everyone will be able to see you messing about naked in the garden.



Looking forward to this; had to use a few close substitutes; but ready to go. 


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on April 13, 2019, 10:48:43 PM
just as an example from hotukdeals, and if you have a friend who is helping you, check out this build vs price. it's imo a very good deal.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/382373140595

I've bought my last 2 towers from CCL, and think the last one was just under a grand.


Yep, found the invoice from November '17 -


3 Year On-Site Warranty Upgrade (UK Mainland only)
1 Scythe Katana 4 Quiet CPU Cooler
1 Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 867Mbps PCI Express WiFi
1 Microsoft Windows 10 Home - 64-Bit DVD (OEM)
1 Kingston UV400 240GB 2.5" SATA III SSD
1 Seagate FireCuda 2TB SATA III 3.5" Hybrid Drive
1 Intel Core i5 7600 3.5GHz Quad Core (Socket 1151)
2 Adata Premier 8GB (1x 8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 RAM
1 MSI Radeon RX 560 AERO ITX 4GB Graphics Card
1 Aero Cool Integrator OEM 500W 80+ PSU 0
1 CCL Choice DVD Writer Optical Drive MBD1788
1 Gigabyte H110M-S2H Intel Socket 1151 Motherboard
1 Thermaltake Versa H15 Midi Tower Black Case
1 Mains Power Cable
1 Game Max Sirocco (120mm) Blue LED Chassis Fan


£964.98

Thank you all esp TB I'll have a look and see what my buddy thinks, I'm no gamer though so memory etc are more important than graphics but we will see what there is out there, and let you all know. Let's hope it doesn't coincide with a midnight update and folk placing candles in the garden in a state of undress huh.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on May 01, 2019, 02:11:26 PM

I've had a long detailed chat with my Computer guy and I have a couple of questions.

All of you say that all the poker stuff has to be on an SSD. He says that all the operating software should be on and SSD and then there is the other personal stuff too.

All the personal stuff can go on a normal Hard Drive.

With the SSD side of things, would you be ok with a 1tb SSD which could be partitioned into for example 25% operating system and the remainder poker (there would be a small amount for recovery) or would you insist on 2 separate SSD's and if so what would be your reasons for this?

tyia, Shaz



Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Longines on May 01, 2019, 02:56:19 PM
Two 500MB SSDs are the same price as one 1TB SSD. Having two disks 'spinning' is almost always going to be quicker that just having one. I'd rather buy two than go down the partitioning route.

Buying a normal HDD in 2019? I guess some people still buy audio cassettes as well....


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on May 01, 2019, 06:05:22 PM
Two 500MB SSDs are the same price as one 1TB SSD. Having two disks 'spinning' is almost always going to be quicker that just having one. I'd rather buy two than go down the partitioning route.

Buying a normal HDD in 2019? I guess some people still buy audio cassettes as well....

Lol, I have cassettes and vinyl.....as well as other media, still love my vinyl the best, well after the live show obv! Anyway i digress...

My thoughts were - I've confused my computer guy (hard that) and he has confused me (easy that) he wants the SSD to run the operating system, to him it's ludicrous doing it any other way and from the poker perspective it's the other way around. So that's 2 x SSD, he says that a partition won't slow anything down, basically 1 x 1tb SSD could be partitioned 75% poker and 25% op system or whatever % I would prefer. I think he is thinking of my budget tbh, would a 500mb SSD be big enough for poker?

Next question if the new computer has the 2 x SSD's in, where would all my personal "junk" go? Photo's recipes, diy, quilting etc etc etc? Hence the suggestion was a HDD. We have already gone through inbuild add ons and the figure has moved!

Titty Bean he is looking at the one you suggested - tyty,  as with additional upgrades to the lower spec, well the starting point moved!


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Longines on May 01, 2019, 09:11:26 PM
how much personal junk have you got? You're going to need a shed load of quilting patterns to fill 500 gig.

Putting the OS on a SSD is classic advice. Putting everything else on a HDD is also classic advice if it's 2012. The lack of a significant price difference makes it a no-brainer IMO.

And two physical discs has few downsides and lots of upside, improved performance, RAID resilience if you want, etc.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Longines on May 02, 2019, 07:45:48 AM
There's a similar thread in another forum I read. Someone has posted the stats for their HDD, regular SSD and NVMe SSD.

Why choose to buy a pushbike when a Ferrari is not much more?

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Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Doobs on May 02, 2019, 08:51:58 AM
Dumb question as I am looking for a new PC soon.   If one SSD breaks, does the whole PC fall over or does it carry on working on one?  Or does it depend on which it boots from, or something else? 


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: RED-DOG on May 02, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
Dumb question as I am looking for a new PC soon.   If one SSD breaks, does the whole PC fall over or does it carry on working on one?  Or does it depend on which it boots from, or something else? 


Sigh.....


Such basic stuff.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Longines on May 02, 2019, 10:46:31 AM
Dumb question as I am looking for a new PC soon.   If one SSD breaks, does the whole PC fall over or does it carry on working on one?  Or does it depend on which it boots from, or something else? 

Depends on which one it boots from, if the boot SSD dies then you will need to bypass it somehow to start the repair process.

If uptime is super important you can buy a motherboard that supports RAID. One flavour of RAID is to have two disks that both have a mirror image of each other. If one disk dies you can carry on working as if nothing happened and replace the dead disk at a convenient time.

tbh though, my RAID knowledge is 10+ years old so may be just as out of date as Nova's HDD guy :-)


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: tikay on May 02, 2019, 10:49:25 AM

This is such a useful & great thread it seems a shame it is in the relative backwater of "Internet Poker".

Would anyone object if we moved it across to the Rail for better visibility & feedback?


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on May 02, 2019, 10:52:41 AM
I don't mind at all Tony. Feel free!


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: tikay on May 02, 2019, 11:14:46 AM
I don't mind at all Tony. Feel free!


Thanks Shaz, it's your thread so that's good enough for me. Red will probably post some fatuous argument but I ignore his ramblings.

It really is a top-class thread.

PS - I've almost got to the bottom of my PM backlog & will reply to your PM shortly, hopefully today. (PS - chuffed to bits for you).



Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on May 04, 2019, 12:25:51 PM

I've had a long detailed chat with my Computer guy and I have a couple of questions.

All of you say that all the poker stuff has to be on an SSD. He says that all the operating software should be on and SSD and then there is the other personal stuff too.

All the personal stuff can go on a normal Hard Drive.

With the SSD side of things, would you be ok with a 1tb SSD which could be partitioned into for example 25% operating system and the remainder poker (there would be a small amount for recovery) or would you insist on 2 separate SSD's and if so what would be your reasons for this?

tyia, Shaz




you should be imprisoned if you don't run you OS on the SSD   rotflmfao

but you also want the poker stuff on ssd so just dont get the most tiny one.  you likely wont need more than 256. 500 would be plenty. 1tb would be a farce tbh.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on May 09, 2019, 10:54:42 PM

I've had a long detailed chat with my Computer guy and I have a couple of questions.

All of you say that all the poker stuff has to be on an SSD. He says that all the operating software should be on and SSD and then there is the other personal stuff too.

All the personal stuff can go on a normal Hard Drive.

With the SSD side of things, would you be ok with a 1tb SSD which could be partitioned into for example 25% operating system and the remainder poker (there would be a small amount for recovery) or would you insist on 2 separate SSD's and if so what would be your reasons for this?

tyia, Shaz




you should be imprisoned if you don't run you OS on the SSD   rotflmfao

but you also want the poker stuff on ssd so just dont get the most tiny one.  you likely wont need more than 256. 500 would be plenty. 1tb would be a farce tbh.

So a partitioned one would be fine in your eyes? I want to sound out all valid opinions.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: titaniumbean on May 10, 2019, 05:38:22 PM
yeh 1 drive will be absolutely fine. you dont have to partition either. can if you want. but could be a faff if you try and be accurate and then Microsoft do a Microsoft and bring out an update where it jumps in size (like they usually do)  ;whistle;


as an example I have Windows and my poker databases and a few games on my 256gb SSD,  30gb space spare.

I use about 250gb on my hdd to store poker videos and other games I play less regularly.

I think I probably have more stuff than your average user.  :)up


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on May 14, 2019, 08:36:11 AM
Thanks everyone, I'm due to talk to my guy next week and I'll let you know a spec and any thoughts/reasons why we have gone for what we have. The budget also has to include a decent camera with an inbuilt mic, a new keyboard & mouse (I saw on on offer at ccl as a set) and the operating system.


Title: Re: A Pro's evaluation on PT4 memory data collection wanted!
Post by: Supernova on May 14, 2019, 08:45:18 AM
how much personal junk have you got? You're going to need a shed load of quilting patterns to fill 500 gig.

Putting the OS on a SSD is classic advice. Putting everything else on a HDD is also classic advice if it's 2012. The lack of a significant price difference makes it a no-brainer IMO.

And two physical discs has few downsides and lots of upside, improved performance, RAID resilience if you want, etc.

It's not just quilting patterns, it's all sorts of domestic stuff! I also have a growing collection of poker training videos too.