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has just been fired from 5live for a fairly disastrous faux pas. 

So sad, it was my favourite show on there.

From the Jon Ronson book

It feels like they want an apology, but it’s a lie.”

Mike Daisey and I were sitting in a Brooklyn restaurant. He was a big man and he frequently dabbed the perspiration from his face with a handkerchief that was always within his reach.

“It’s a lie because they don’t want an apology,” he said. “An apology is supposed to be a communion – a coming together. For someone to make an apology someone has to be listening. They listen and you speak and there’s an exchange. That’s why we have a thing about accepting apologies. There’s a power exchange that happens. But they don’t want an apology.” He looked at me. “What they want is my destruction. What they want is for me to die. They will never say this because it’s too histrionic. But they never want to hear from me again for the rest of my life, and while they’re never hearing from me they have the right to use me as a cultural reference point whenever it services their ends. That’s how it would work out best for them. They would like me to never speak again.”

Meanwhile on question time tonight...

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Sorry Doobs, I'm missing the point. What did Baker say and what does the book quote have to do with it?

Blimey, never realised he had been fired.

I happened to be perusing Twitter last night whilst watching the football, & saw the whole Danny Baker thing as it happened. He got absolutely villified, it was brutal, real car crash stuff. He deleted it & apologised fairly quickly, but once it's out there.....

I honestly don't think he is racist, or intended it in a racist manner.

Gotta be SO careful what you put on Twitter if you are a celeb.

I rather like his stuff on the wireless & TV, & enjoyed reading his books, so perhaps I want him to be innocent.

He has a Podcast with Gary Lineker, & a "Live" Theatre Show which tours I believe. Wonder if those will be affected?

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He posted a picture of two well dressed people with a chimp in a suit saying with the caption "Royal baby leaves hospital".  

The mob then descended, he apologised saying he didn't mean it THAT way, and has been sacked.

He claimed the "gag" was about "class & demeanour". 

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His twitter is still pretty good

Here we go.
Opened door, grinning Mail hack.
"Do you think black people look like monkeys?"
Any other time you'd knock someone right on their arse for saying that.
No mate. Gag pic. Posh baby chimp. Alerted to circs. Appalled. Deleted. Apologised. 
He asks again!

He's not having a good morning......


Now Sky at the door
Would have used same stupid pic for any other Royal birth or Boris Johnson kid or even one of my own. It's a funny image. (Though not of course in that context.) Enormous mistake, for sure. Grotesque.
Anyway, here's to ya Archie, Sorry mate.
#Occam #Razor



Here we go.
Opened door, grinning Mail hack.
"Do you think black people look like monkeys?"
Any other time you'd knock someone right on their arse for saying that.
No mate. Gag pic. Posh baby chimp. Alerted to circs. Appalled. Deleted. Apologised.  
He asks again! #MailonRacism




Just got fired from @bbc5live.
For the record - it was red sauce. Always.



The call to fire me from @bbc5live was a masterclass of pompous faux-gravity. Took a tone that said I actually meant that ridiculous tweet and the BBC must uphold blah blah blah. Literally threw me under the bus. Could hear the suits knees knocking. #Fuckem

One of those things where his intent is irrelevant really. Shame though

That's about it, yes.

And he'll forever be branded "racist" now.

I don't think he is racist, but it was certainly a bit of a faux-paux.  

It's on BBC News now......


Danny Baker fired by BBC over royal baby chimp tweet



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693

Amazed he didn't resign on the spot once he had sobered up and realised what he had done.  Must be incredibly arrogant in 2019 to think he wasn't 1.01 to get the tin tack from the bbc for that.  That would have been a sacking offense in 1999 never mind 2019.

Ah the old classic, sorry but it's your fault if you felt offended with your silly diseased mind.

I don't understand what the joke is if there is no racial connotation? Class and demeanour makes no sense.

Good riddance.

Horribly inappropriate and once again the BBC takes the knee-jerk easy action. Shame they weren’t so quick to react when Savile was at it.
Saturday morning drives will now be much duller.

Well that isn't what he said.

Once again. Sincere apologies for the stupid unthinking gag pic earlier. Was supposed to be joke about Royals vs circus animals in posh clothes but interpreted as about monkeys & race, so rightly deleted. Royal watching not my forte.

He says he was comparing the Royals to circus animals, which does make sense, doesn't it?   I am sure many have made the same comparison over the years.

He then states it was rightfuly deleeted, and later says it was an "enormous mistake, for sure. Grotesque."

I can see why he was sacked, just think it is all a bit sad.   If he had a whole bunch of previous then it would be different.  

I mostly like Danny Baker but that was a terrible misjudgment and most probably numbed at the time by alcohol imo.

Adam M itt.

It was in the afternoon so he was pissed :)

I love the man his live show is quite something never been to anything like it and more than your monies worth.

He is far to good for British radio and has been for many years, can understand why this was a sackable offence though

Every night he Tweets a variation on this theme, so yes, you are maybe right.


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His original "apology" before he engaged his brain.

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I hadn't seen his explanation about the joke, agree he is probably not a racist and just an idiot. What a mean spirited image to post anyway of parents that have just had a child.

Amazes me that people in the public eye are this stupid. The perils of the booze I suppose.

I do think it's a bit of a dick move that his defence was basically - I wasn't being racist about a baby; I was just mocking and making fun of a baby.

 agree, can't see the joke/funny side in the tweet.

Me too. It wasn't even a ginger chimp.

This was his explanation as to "class & demeanour";



That's what the stupid pic said to me. Money & grandeur undercut by a circus turn in a toffs suit. The outfit is the joke. Once the racial thing was pointed out to me - I am far from a royal watcher - of course I deleted it. All else is overheated Twitter horse shit.

Lol anyone that is upset about this or thinks it’s racist is a moron

He explicitly equated a child with mixed race heritage to a monkey.

If he's not being racist he should be sacked anyway - for being stupid.

‘That child is acting like a little monkey’
‘The child will be paraded like a circus animal to the world’
‘The child looks like a monkey because his mother is black’
SACK HIM

Wonder how many people in here are disgusted by white people doing fancy dress as black people lol

Didn't Prince Harry once go to a fancy dress party dressed as a Nazi officer? Pretty sure he'd find the pic as funny as I did to be honest. Why can't it just be a comical picture?

I saw the pic and honestly wondered what the fuss was about. It was only when I had a read on here that I remembered that hairy primate apparently = dark skinned person so everybody gets offended.

Pretty pathetic in my opinion.

I’d forgot the princess was black(sure hope I’m not offending anyone by saying that) and was wondering why people were upset

Was gonna say the same mate, but simply can’t be arsed these days tbh. I hope Danny Baker takes a stand and finds a way to sue the arse off the BBC for unfair dismissal.

Do we know what time he posted that picture?

My guess would be after 10pm.

Where did he explicitly do that?  You did that, not him, he posted a picture with the caption "Royal baby leaves hospital", so any offensive content is only implicit.  He didn't add an explicit note saying he had chosen a monkey as the mother is mixed race.  And why if he was been explicitly racist, then why is the mother in the picture not mixed race, or portrayed as a monkey?  

I accept you can sack him for the post, as it was pretty dumb given some of the criticism Megan Markle has had.  

I think most of us don't see Princess Whatsit as "dark-skinned" or whatever the phrase is, she's just a person to most of us, albeit a Royal one now. 

Gill follows her avidly, so I get to hear her every move, I even took Gill "Meghan Spotting" to Kensington Palace one day. In all that time, Gill never mentioned Meghan was "dark-skinned" (jeez, have to be so careful) & I never even knew. And I think many of us are like that, who cares what colour she is?

No, much earlier Ralph. It was before the football. 

Looks like it was 6.09pm; (see bottom left)


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I get that some things are blown up and that at times people take offence too easily but if I was black (happens I'm a little bit brown) and I saw that pic and caption I'd find it patently offensive.

 If we had a first board director that was black in our company and someone posted a monkey in a business suit alongside a businessman in a monkey suit and welcomed our new director of whatever I'd expect that person to be sacked fairly sharpish.

This thread reminded me of this  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOg-aVvKA3A

Why is the women not a monkey in this picture

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/dear-alan-sugar-this-is-why-your-tweet-about-senegals-world-cup-team-is-racist-7646675/

Lol never saw this but why didn’t he get sacked

RACIST

Yes, agree, he had to go. Still don't think there was an iota of "intent" though, & I don't think he's remotely racist. 

 :hello:

What point are you trying to make here?

Stupid people too easily offended these days

Why isn't it the people who assume that the child is being portrayed as a monkey because one of its parents is dark skinned that are racist? Why else would they jump to that conclusion?

You do understand that the image isn’t actually Harry and Meghan with their new baby.

It’s a storm in a teacup about a misjudged gag that most people will only see because others have reposted it.

 ;iagree; ;applause; ;applause; ;applause;

Dont be a dolt. In my case it's because I've heard black people equated to monkeys, heard monkey chants at football, seen gags about going back to the trees/jungle for over 50 years so if a black baby is welcomed with a picture of a monkey it's transparently racist, inadvertent or not. Noticing manifestations of racism. Eg lynchings, portrayal as sub human or animals is not racism.

I almost always agree with you Glen, but not this time, and I'll tell you why.

Almost no one, me included, even sees Markle as black.

Baker doesn't have a track record.

I see myself as a 'Stand up to Racism' type of person but when I saw the pic I didn't make a racist connection, I just thought it was mildly amusing.

I think that jumping on every little supposed infraction will set the fight racism cause back, not forward. there are plenty of honest to God real examples to go around without having to guess or 'interpret'.

If you have ever glanced at the Daily Mail since she has been with Harry then you would disagree.

They see her as very clearly black. The angry black woman who loves a feud, lavish things (how dare she) and thinks she belongs in our great British institution. Pffft, look at how much better Kate is. etc. etc.

So much so that Harry had to release a statement citing the "racial undertones of comment pieces". https://www.royal.uk/statement-communications-secretary-prince-harry

You might not see her as black Tom but plenty do and have made that fact very clear.

Where's Nirvana when you want him?

I must admit to avoiding the Daily Mail wherever possible.

BTW I do think he should have has better sense, as should anyone who is in the public eye. It was an absolutely idiotic thing to do, but for someone to be fired from their job and branded a racist there should be no room for speculation regarding their motives.

Simple snowflakery as per

No mention of skin colour so frenzied luvvies infer context to quench an insatiable appetite for offence-taking and twitter train takes over.

National companies like BBC now make business strategy decisions based on Twitter feeds. Modern times I'm afraid.

Sure thing Nirvantz I've heard black folk referenced to monkeys for years too but I don't get it. Why are black folk like monkeys? Before I can take offence I need to understand the validity of that concept.

I also heard that blonde girls were stupid. Don't get that either. Why does the colour of your hair make a person more or less intelligent.

Need to appreciate the validity of such matters before I faint in shock when mentioned in passing by boozy radio presenters.  

The other thing to mention is that poor wildlife creatures shouldn't be dressed in camel hair coats and bowler hats.

Personally frazzled with outrage here.

Don't people use the term to brand black people as a sub species of human.

In their eyes, they should be seen as animals. Apes are a good comparison as you can look at them and think they are human but not like us really. Disease ridden and savage. They don't respect laws, monsters.

I don’t think there’s any validity in that theory

fck him he should have been sacked again for saying the bbc "literally threw me under the bus"

Haha fair play.

Me neither.

Unfortunately there are millions of people who do think like that. Sadly, I have extended family members who I know have those opinions, and have known people in work and leisure who think the same way. It is often voiced after a drink. Fwiw it sounds like DB was a genuine mistake.

All that might be a reason why if a black man looks at a picture of a black child portrayed as a monkey they may be entitled to take offence. Intent or not.

To you, Doobs, RedDog and the other members of your extreme right wing grouping I say, would the tweet have been offensive if it was authored by Tommy Robinson or Britain First - would we engage in laughable 'I don't recognise racism as legitimate so it's not racism'  - yer all literally mad

Scuse me, I emphasised previous form as a material consideration.

 

I don't wildly go in for the witch hunts when someone, older gen perhaps, uses the wrong terminology about a subject and makes mild infractions on today's social norms.

Also, I'm spending a fair bit of time thinking about terms like mixed-race and their relevance today since it really doesn't make any difference to many of us whether someone is black, white, brown or mixed race.

However, I'm just about concluding that while we can all make the argument that we don't see a difference, or that we're all members of the human race etc, that there is something disempowering , diesenfranchising, disinheriting or dismissive (dis something anyway) when we don't acknowledge differences within the wider group of the human race.

In a way you're a good example, you are a human like me, but you have a very distinctive difference in being a Gypsy as well. I would take care not to say to you 'I don't even see you as being a Gypsy' as I think, only think mind, that it implies something quite negative about the general group you identify with,. ie I imply that, because in many ways, you're at least as normal or fairly similar to me, I don't see you as belonging to that group over there. But you do, in the same way as Meghan is black, whether you see her as that or not. I wonder if she would think it OK/ mildly funny if brought to her attention.

Minor points I guess, but I don't see anything amusing per se in the pic and I don't know what Danny Baker was thinking, so I can only judge what he posted - and what he posted was the kind of thing that would be seen clearly as racist and pernicious if posted by some other people.

Overruled

I agree with you Glen, they are minor points.

Do we really think there are millions of people who think black people are sub-human species in 2019? For sure it's an extremist view point, not a majority mindset and it's funny. How can it not be funny for people to think that? If it was a growing monster in society then perhaps there's a danger but it's vaporising in the modern world and particularly in multicultural Britain. People have every right to be offended if they wish but I have the right to laugh at a vanishing dinosaur minority who express such beliefs. In fact laughing at them, making them feel small and inconsequential seems the most appropriate reaction. Don't think laughing at extreme right wing views makes one extreme right wing tbf.

The moment offence is shown then it is no longer a joke worthy of our triviality, it has some measure of credibility. Pretty sure vast swathes of majority modern human race can dust off monkey waffles with the frivolity that such utterances deserve. The zomg reaction to sack somebody for posting a monkey in bowler hat and applying such extremist views to the decision making process seems way more sinister and dark.

Nobody in that group has said "I don't recognise racism as legitimate", so why would you think it was ok to suggest we had?

Don't you judge someone over the entirety of the things you know about them, not one tweet.   So if Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins or Britain First post another anti Muslim post, you should recognise it is unlikely to have been a one-off brain fade.  

You can also conclude that it may not have been a slip by the way that Tommy doubles down and doesn't say sorry it was a mistake when someone says "Hold on Tommy, that sounded a bit racist".  

I haven't seen a whole host of other racist statements Danny Baker has made, and if they were many, presumably the Sun would have dug them up by now.  So, for now, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.  

For the record, this is where my shared views with Mantis on this subject part company. I don't think there is anything amusing about racist beliefs and I don't believe that laughing at them is the best reaction.

I don't actually have any massive disagreement with any of you and y'all make good points.

Nevertheless, the content of the tweet was racist imo and it seems legit to call it out as such rather than spend time imagining motivation and making allowances based on past experience.

For sure first offenders get treated more leniently than criminals but they often get punished, sacking someone like him who will survive just finely, seems appropriate punishment to me for a first offence - also send on self awareness training so he can learn to not use monkey references around black people as it's generally considered poor form these days.

Better still, if I was a premier league football star earning £100k a week at the top of my profession and winning at life I would laugh hard if a jobbing plumber with twisted hate face threw a banana at me. Would be great if the whole crowd joined me in laughing at him too. Imagine the scenes.

But for sure if you wanted to get very serious and cross you are perfectly entitled to that view.

Yea black people, why don't you just lighten up a bit and have a good laugh at it all. We are only messing about, we don't mean anything by it really. Dunno what your all getting so worked up about, racism barely exists anymore anyways.

He's clearly not a racist.

We don't allow for intent, and we don't assume good faith.

It's really damaging. A magazine editor on twitter today admitted they don't use black models for splashes next to stories as the accusations of racist stereotyping are inevitable.

They gave the examples of mental health articles or even articles on strong women. It's just not worth the hassle when previous good character and lack of intent or actual racism isn't as important as how people feel when mobbing you.

I think baker has been treated disgustingly

Same with me.  Took me ages to click why everyone was upset!

It honestly took me ages to remember the princess heritage.  Guess I’m stupid as well.

How probable is it that the racial connotations where anywhere near his mind when he posted that? He works for the bbc. Incredibly crass and idiotic. But I do not see it as an example of racism


Not everyone equates monkeys with black people

That one word intent nails it for me and is my barometer for all stuff like this including homophobia etc. Many times there are innocent words or actions that the ultra PC crew label as racist and there is never give any allowance as to whether there was any bad intent or not. In all honestly they do their cause more harm than good and just piss people off, if they allowed a little slack when it is merited they would probably further their cause faster (and rightfully so).

There is a line thought even with no intent.

I.e. me and my mates decide to go to the darts and dress up as funny tribesman. Full black face and war paint.

None of us our remotely racist. We just think its a funny costume.

There is a good reason why this is not OK right? Regardless of intent? I know this is not the same as DB.

I’m talking more about the low level ‘breaches’ that really don’t do much harm (IMO) as there really isn’t any bad intent, other than for the ultra PC crew who want to kick up a fuss about every minor infringement, as I said I think they do the cause more harm than good.

P.S. Dressing up in an afro and a pimp suit for a 70’s party doesn’t seem to attract much attention, why the difference?  ;carlocitrone;

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Would you deserve to lose your livelihood and be branded racist, or should you be allowed to apologise for being insensitive and a bit or a berk and get on with your life?

Would love to find out where he got the pic from. What words did he google to find it?

It was 100% racially insensitive and for a BBC broadcaster he had to go.

He may have seen it posted somewhere else the last time a royal baby was born.
Wonder if it was racist back then

On the other hand calling Muslim women ‘letterboxes’ is not only acceptable it can enhance career prospects

Somebody needs to produce an employee guide

He used to be employed by the Conservative/DUP government and now he’s employed by little England and The Telegraph, it’s a very safe spot for a racist.

Making fun of ridiculous clothing is common.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/baseball/48214303?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook&ns_mchannel=social

Truly awful, disgusting racism(some in this thread will say)

So it’s a symbolic hand gesture that racists have adopted to show people that they are racists. I don’t know about truly awful and disgusting (within the spectrum of modern racism) but the life ban is an easy call.

just curious, why not tell us what you think instead of what you assume others will think?

Danny has been back on Twitter this morning;


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Good morning, everyone.
Following one of the worst days of my life I just want to formally apologise for the outrage I caused and explain how I got myself into this mess.
I chose the wrong photo to illustrate a joke. Disastrously so.

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In attempting to lampoon privilege & the news cycle I went to a file of goofy pictures & saw the chimp dressed as a Lord and thought, "That's the one!" Had I kept searching I might have chosen General Tom Thumb or even a a baby in a crown. But I didn't. God knows I wish had.

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Minutes later I was alerted by followers that this royal baby was of course mixed race and waves of panic and revulsion washed over me. Fuck, what had I done?  I needed no lessons on the centuries slurs equating simians and people of colour. Racism at it's basest.

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I am aware black people do not need a white man to tell them this. Deleting it immediately and apologising for the awful gaffe I even foolishly tried to make light of it. (My situation that is, not the racism involved.) Too late and here I am.

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I would like once and for all to apologise to every single person who, quite naturally, took the awful connection at face value. I understand that and all of the clamour and opprobrium I have faced since. I am not feeling sorry for myself. I fucked up. Badly.

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But it was a genuine, naive and catastrophic mistake. There is of course little media/twitter traction in such a straight-forward explanation. The picture in context as presented was obviously shamefully racist. It was never intended so - seriously who on earth would 'go there'?

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Anyway i am now paying the price for this crass & regrettable blunder and rightly so. Probably even this final word from me will extend the mania. ('Dog whistle' anyone?) I would like to thank friends on here for their kinder words and once again - I am so, so sorry.

10:36 AM - 10 May 2019

A genuine heartfelt apology.

I do feel for him now, I think it's fairly clear he didn't mean it.

Does the punishment fit the crime is the question people will disagree on.

He's been in the public eye for many decades now, & we can be sure the Red Tops have scrutinised every Tweet, Post & interview he ever did, & all the books he has authored, to search for even the remotest hint of racism. I don't think they'll find any.

It was an appalling misjudgement on his part, & he's gonna pay the bill, & quite rightly so. There but for the grace of God & all that. 

On a lighter note, there is a similar, if less intense thread, on the same topic Next Door, & one of the lads just posted....



I guess he'll land on his feet and bag a job somewhere when this has all died down.


PR for PG tips or something.

I don't think he will struggle with another job. I have never listened but, by all accounts, he is an excellent experienced broadcaster.

Probably end up with a decent pay rise somewhere like TalkSport. He wasn't on the BBC pay list they had to publish so earnt less than £150k. Has a nice big house in London so I wouldn't be weeping for him.

Probably doubled his twitter followers also........

Wouldn’t surprise me if he gets an even better paid job, I bet the twatterati who were on his arse about this weren’t expecting that!  :D

The crime wasn't being racist though - the crime was the error of judgement.

It's not difficult to see why the BBC would be worried about such a level of misjudgment happening on a BBC programme rather than his own account.

Can something be racist if the intent to be racist is not present?

Snowflakes and professional offence takers will say yes.....

I think intent is very much the most important factor, I think if you commit a racist act by mistake, that doesn’t make you a racist. You can still cause a great deal of offence by mistake though and he did.

Yes, the thing is racist. Don't think the perp has to be.

Just like something can be funny even if there was no intent to be funny

Or, more appropriately for this thread generally, a thing can be stupid even when there's no intent to be stupid.

A gentleman holds a door open for a lady or raises his hat to be chivalrous, respectful, nice.

If the woman takes offence does that make him rude, disrespectful, sexist?

No, it makes the woman a miserable shrew

I think i disagree with you, in fact i know i disagree with you :) Monkeys are not racist things. Monkeys in overcoats standing with 2 humans is not a racist thing. The perception of whether something is racist is down to individual thought. Obviously i am only talking about this incident and not other acts that may or may not be racist.

I can see why individuals may say it's racist but i dont have to agree why they think it is so. So if some people dont see an act as racist does that mean the act should or should not be classed as racist? Again i am talking specifically about this incident.

A few years ago I was working in what is now known as Wolverhampton Prison. I was in the office area where there were a number of females working. An oldish man was painting the walls. As he was up his ladder an woman of about 50 years of age went to walk past his ladder. The decorator said watch where you're stepping love. FML the tirade of abuse the woman rained down on him was absolutely disgusting all because he dared to call her love.

Society decides what is or isn't deemed acceptable. There will always be people that don't recognise even the most obvious racism.

The problem is when the voice of society is snivelling nerds who get up in arms about the smallest things and love to shout "racist", "sexist" etc.

In this case, as DB himself says in his apology " I needed no lessons on the centuries slurs equating simians and people of colour. Racism at it's basest." A picture is never just a picture, this is set against a world where she has been hounded throughout her time with Harry to a point where he personally called out the racism against her and where black people have been called monkeys for many years.

Nobody thinks a monkey is racist but we can't ignore the context can we?

Let's at least make it real

Complete bullshit. As you have seen just from this thread there are different opinions on what is racist on this single issue, opinion will be even more divided than that when you are discussing it more broadly. The one thing I do know however is the ultra PC crew try to press their definition as ‘what society should accept’, the more people tell them to do one and let people decide for themselves the better. It mirrors the brexit debate in many ways....the ‘we know better than you so you should all fall in line’ bullshit.

In short they should stop telling people what to think and do, the thing is they haven’t even learned that this doesn’t work and they still think they are the smart ones.

There will always be widely different opinions. We might not like it if our views are different but, ultimately, society still builds to a consensus of what is and isn't acceptable.

I.e. black face is no longer deemed acceptable. 20 years ago it was fine. There are people who think black face is not a problem today but they don't speak for everyone, in the same way that people who take offence to everything don't speak for everyone.

It does sometimes feel like the ones who take offence the loudest are deciding at the moment but that is set against a history of racism, sexism etc. Perhaps this a natural response to that and we swing back to a more middle ground in a few generations time.

when people get offended by people less offended than them it’s snowflakery skill I can only marvel at

Soz but simple pic doesn’t make me shocked, disgusted, gasping for breath. If you don’t have a fanny attack at monkey in bowler and sack folk then shame on you and obv racist pig. Really like?

So, the racists don’t get to decide what racism is. The hysterical ‘offended’ mob also don’t decide. Irrational, emotional people are flat out useless at important decisions (think Brexit).

Well you have shown your emotion more than most on the politics thread so you know what you are by your own definition. Thanks for playing son  rotflmfao rotflmfao  rotflmfao

In reality neither the left or right get to decide what is or isn’t racist, there is a cloud of a grey area in between that keeps moving in the correct direction to establish that. But don’t ever think YOUR opinion is the be all and end all as some do because if you do you should expect plenty of GFY’s enroute.

I never think my opinion is special, it’s the one I question and doubt the most (we really have been over this). As long as you keep thinking things are left or right, you have nothing sensible to contribute. Left/Right just an instrument to keep the simpletons (on both sides) malleable.

You’re killing me  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao. Yes you do. If there was a prize for the most sanctimonious opinions on blonde you would win it, I’m not even sure people could come up with a second and third place because you win it by so much!  Congrats champ  ;letsparty;

* I’d rather have said ‘construct’ than ‘instrument’. I’m glad that you’re posting kinda sensibly ( within the unfortunate restrictions).

What restrictions? It’s you that normally breach them when you lose the plot and start the name calling and by your own definition above are useless.  :D

Has Meghan Markle been “hounded” about her race?  Before this furore I had no idea her mother was black.  Surely if she was “hounded” non daily mail readers would hear about it?

Haha!  Genius stuff!

Do you identify as left or right? You’re not very bright, neither am I (I think, not sure). So why do we define as left or right? Tell me what it is to be right, what do you believe in?

Is anyone posting in this thread a person of colour?

With all due respect if you're white you can't tell black/brown people it's not offensive.

This tweet from Darren Lewis sums it up fairly well -

Why are we still hearing radio shows asking whether the depiction of a baby of colour as a chimpanzee is racist? We as people of colour are telling you it is racist. We have been for years. Why do you need to host phone-ins suggesting there is any room for misinterpretation?

I think the question is did Danny Baker intend it to be racist.

Oh just f**k off, my wife is ‘brown’ and my daughter is ‘half brown’ in your crass definition so don’t give me any of your shit. My wife gives zeros fucks and in all honestly has only experienced prejudice from eastern euro immigrants........

Must be difficult for anyone for anyone who is a wife or daughter of an angry/repressed/confused/inadequate racist.

You’re the angry one in general mate, just putting this (semi) random poster in his place 😁

Please post more though as you are the entertainment when you do 🤡

I’m not angry. I used to think a thick trolling c*** should be called a thick trolling c***, now I’m less sure about that. I was never angry.

Oh we all  know you get angry 🤣🤣🤣 We can quote you if you if you like? 🤡

That said I’m on holiday this week so can’t  really be arsed unless you press me........

Quote me.

Sure will do tomorrow. On the piss now though......but you have made a ***** of yourself so many times it’s hilarious, you are the joke of the blonde politics thread, the supposed high brow intellectual that is less educated than a dimwit leaver like me  rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Can we have a separate Woodsey /  Kukushkin thread please?

I define myself as smaller more limited government, generally.  Whatever that is classed as (presumably “right wing” economically).  I support globalisation, free trade and am relaxed about immigration.  (Is that left?).  I believe in tolerance of other beliefs and other ways of life (liberal).   I believe in justice and for punishments to be worthy of crimes.  (Is this right or opposite of liberal?).

Anyway there is plenty more.  You’ve misinterpreted my post in any case.  What I found amusing was your comment “I never think my opinion is special” for the reason that you come over as one of the most pompous and sanctimonious persons on here!

Amen

Glad to be back for this sort of thing  ::)

Perhaps that lot are all racist.

ridiculous

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-10/danny-baker-being-investigated-over-racist-royal-baby-tweet/?fbclid=IwAR2CPd11GwJrmUrRZdU1y-kE14gFMoG1sn7jhAag4MwEBK-6sUIpPnR5f4k

Couldn't that be a bit meaningless?   Somebody makes a complaint to the police, they should investigate it?  Of course there is going to be someone who wants even more blood.   There must be loads of those types around.   Hopefully it will come to nothing.

Perhaps that’s exactly why she doesn’t care? There are people out there who have had various monkey-based taunts thrown their way and are furious.

Your wife doesn’t get to speak for everyone ‘of colour’ fella.

Hang on, didn’t the word ‘colour’ used to be frowned upon? It is hard to keep up.

They (well the Polish manager responsible for dishing out work) certainly were to her and others, but she just shrugs it off and laughs at them rather have a whine up.

You’re welcome, can turn it up this weekend as a welcome back if you wish? :D

Can’t wait for the evil racist to be locked up in jail

But this Darren Lewis fella does?

I'm a pale face but my granddad was coloured. Before I get shouted at for saying 'coloured' that's the term my granddad used and he found 'black' offensive so basically you can gfy. I'll use the term that the man without whom I wouldn't even exist preferred.

His father was Jamaican and his mother Austrian, his father got deported in the early 1900s and his mother got sent to the workhouse with her 5 kids. I only found this out recently but it sure puts some of the shit people whinge about these days in to perspective.

Does that qualify me to have an opinion?

Out of interest Woodsey and hopefully you realise this isn't just a troll....

When you and your wife first had your daughter how would you have felt if someone had posted the Danny Baker picture on your FB page with a "congratulations on the new addition to the family" message?

Do you think you would have just laughed at what is undoubtedly a comical picture or maybe spotted potential racial undertones given your family make up?

Mate I get piss takes all the time about from my wife’s family about how she looks. Skin colour and ethnic looks are an obsession where she comes from, basically they want white skin and a ‘caucasian’ bridge on their nose, she doesn’t really have either. I honestly don’t care and myself and my wife just laugh about it.

Just hopping on plane so no other replies till tomorrow.

This sounds like a story I have made up but this genuinely happened at the Saints game today and just have to share.

Sat next to an old boy who I haven't seen before. We get chatting and he is European (if I had to guess, German) and is keeping me up to speed with the other scores as he has the radio in his ear.

We are happily watching the game when the Huddersfield striker (big black guy) gets nudged off the ball and dramatically throws himself to the ground. Old boy turns to me

"You know what, when he throws himself on the floor like that, he deserves a banana skin thrown at him"
"Errr...what?"
Chuckling "He deserves a banana skin thrown at him"
Me , serious face, "You think he deserves a banana skin thrown at him"
Turns away "pffft, you don't get the joke"
"No, I don't get the joke"

We don't speak for the rest of the half, he goes to get a drink and half time, comes back and moves three seats away from me!

Thankfully, I managed to contain my deep feelings of offence and revulsion as what was happening on the pitch quickly overshadowed that.

Thanks for sharing and actually this explains why I have a more relaxed attitude to such throw away comments. This doddery old fella appears out of touch, doesn't know what he's saying, little or zero intent. What happens next? The two of you go from enjoying the game, chatting, to sitting in silence, feeling awkward. His clumsy blunder has the power to evoke deep feelings of revulsion and offence in you and sits apart after the break so feels uncomfortable himself. So what was achieved here? You think he's a moron and he thinks you're one too.

When faced with such a comment I might joke back "perhaps throw a dummy at the baby instead cos the fella ain't no monkey". I'd carry on enjoying the game as before and carry on chatting to the old fool. People might say that reaction isn't sufficient but hey you could've reported him to a steward or revealed your deep revulsion by way of a bollocking. There is a scale here and what's the right level? Perhaps stop his pension so he effectively gets sacked from his income stream? Just using t'internet as means to vent and twitter power is a society problem too imo.

When this Danny Baker story hit the news the secondary headline on the telly news was latest bombings in Syria where they showed little babies being pulled from the rubble. I save my deep feelings of revulsion and offence for these human acts. Alf Garnett making shit joke at football match just doesn't get my blood pumping in the same way I'm afraid.   

It’s always easy to think of what would have been GTO to say after the event, but when you’re in the midst it’s another story.

I’m sure we can all think of times when we’ve heard racist comments and regretted not speaking up...perhaps next time it happens we will say something and let them know that it’s out of order.

Yea, I am not confrontational or particularly quick witted so had no clue what to say. Repeating it back to him was about as good as I could muster.

I was joking about being offended. If I am actually honest, it it didn't really offend me at all in the moment other than the obvious recognition that it is not acceptable language. It's hard to take offence to something that has no genuine meaning to me personally. That being said, I have friends who used to be chased home from school and racially abused by adults that should know better so I can obviously recognise how offensive and wrong this sort of language is and it baffles me that people still think/talk like that.

Agree that trial by social media is not right. DB back on stage and getting a standing ovation last night, many on Twitter are "up in arms". When is an apology enough? Does feel like often with situations like DB, they want the perpetrator stamped into the ground and never heard of again.

Afua Hirsch fairly briefly explaining how I was right and most of you were wrong - honourable exceptions acknowledged.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvDbI--tzs

Micro aggressions......never heard this terminology until around the same time as snowflakes were given their label.

Any predictions on the next new words/phrases that will be used as a whine up? 😶