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Title: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: tikay on May 13, 2019, 10:17:34 AM


Tough business, football, I thought he did OK, all things considered, though Bloom usually makes the right calls.

Don't have too much sympathy, guess he gets well paid & will get a nice pay-off, but they'll do well to attract better, & let's not forget it was him that got them Promoted.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48251716


 

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Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: the sicilian on May 13, 2019, 10:26:45 AM
some of these clubs really do need to take a look at themselves ..staying in the premiership is an achievement for someone like Brighton.

delusional these chairman..prob thinks they should be in europe and challenging top 4..actually feel sorry for hughton..will get another job at championship challenger take them up..keep them there sacked cos hie finished 16th ..rinse repeat


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: SuperJez on May 13, 2019, 10:42:46 AM
He kept them up and they got to the FA cup semi final.  I don't know wtf else the owners want.

Ok they played badly towards the end of the season and got dragged into a relegation battle they should not have been in but imo they showed good improvement against Spurs and Arsenal and stayed up.

At the very least it should have been a "mutual agreement" sort of thing.  The headlines I have seen say specifically "sacked" which is really harsh, unless there is something we don't know of course.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: rinswun on May 13, 2019, 11:02:16 AM
Tbf, as a Brighton season ticket holder, this does not surprise me in the slightest. The second half of the season has been incredibly poor and even some of the wins earlier this season -Wolves home, Newcastle away - were as a result of a singular shot on target. Honestly, in any other season Brighton would have been long relegated but they were fortunate that there were three teams even worse (two of whom they failed to beat, ironically). I can understand it might look an odd decision to an outsider but this is a team that would have finished 20th next season under Hughton.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: tikay on May 13, 2019, 11:05:39 AM
Tbf, as a Brighton season ticket holder, this does not surprise me in the slightest. The second half of the season has been incredibly poor and even some of the wins earlier this season -Wolves home, Newcastle away - were as a result of a singular shot on target. Honestly, in any other season Brighton would have been long relegated but they were fortunate that there were three teams even worse (two of whom they failed to beat, ironically). I can understand it might look an odd decision to an outsider but this is a team that would have finished 20th next season under Hughton.

Fair comment.

More generally though.....

If a team which struggles for the financial resources other teams have & gets relegated, is it a given that the Manager has to be sacked? We can't always blame the Manager, especially if starved of adequate funds.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: tikay on May 13, 2019, 11:07:01 AM

He might not be the only one today either. I understand Mr Warnock is meeting his Chairman in London.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: tikay on May 13, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
Tbf, as a Brighton season ticket holder, this does not surprise me in the slightest. The second half of the season has been incredibly poor and even some of the wins earlier this season -Wolves home, Newcastle away - were as a result of a singular shot on target. Honestly, in any other season Brighton would have been long relegated but they were fortunate that there were three teams even worse (two of whom they failed to beat, ironically). I can understand it might look an odd decision to an outsider but this is a team that would have finished 20th next season under Hughton.

Realistically, who would you like to see him replaced by?


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: Karabiner on May 13, 2019, 11:39:37 AM
I reckon Bournemouth's success hasn't done Hughton any favours.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: SuperJez on May 13, 2019, 12:03:47 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/manager-specials/brighton/next-permanent-manager


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: nirvana on May 13, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/manager-specials/brighton/next-permanent-manager

Sol is a shoo-in I think


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: rinswun on May 13, 2019, 01:06:05 PM
Tbf, as a Brighton season ticket holder, this does not surprise me in the slightest. The second half of the season has been incredibly poor and even some of the wins earlier this season -Wolves home, Newcastle away - were as a result of a singular shot on target. Honestly, in any other season Brighton would have been long relegated but they were fortunate that there were three teams even worse (two of whom they failed to beat, ironically). I can understand it might look an odd decision to an outsider but this is a team that would have finished 20th next season under Hughton.

Fair comment.

More generally though.....

If a team which struggles for the financial resources other teams have & gets relegated, is it a given that the Manager has to be sacked? We can't always blame the Manager, especially if starved of adequate funds.


Naturally he hasn’t got the resources of the top 6, (and probably Leicester, Everton or Wolves) but Brighton have actually spent a lot of money and got very little return, which I think you have to lay at the feet of the manager for a failure to integrate them.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: rinswun on May 13, 2019, 01:07:20 PM
In terms of next manager, i’d be very surprised if it was one of the old brigade.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: celtic on May 13, 2019, 01:10:43 PM
stick flushy in charge of them.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: Marky147 on May 13, 2019, 01:22:37 PM
stick flushy in charge of them.

:D


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: RickBFA on May 13, 2019, 01:22:45 PM
some of these clubs really do need to take a look at themselves ..staying in the premiership is an achievement for someone like Brighton.

delusional these chairman..prob thinks they should be in europe and challenging top 4..actually feel sorry for hughton..will get another job at championship challenger take them up..keep them there sacked cos hie finished 16th ..rinse repeat

Agree with this sentiment. Some clubs/chairman/fans don't realise that bottom half of the EPL is as good as it will ever get.

I'll always remember Bolton fans moaning one year when they were mid table.

Seems harsh on Hughton given his overall record. Perhaps Brighton should be careful what they wish for.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: DropTheHammer on May 13, 2019, 03:24:40 PM
I was as surprised as anyone regarding this sacking, but Brighton had deteriorated having won just three of their last 23 league games and none of their final nine.

Tony Bloom will have had a mountain of stats at his fingertips, and could analyse them better than any other club owner. He has probably made the right judgement but it will be interesting to see who he gets in as the replacement.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: rinswun on May 13, 2019, 03:26:10 PM
I don’t think there is an expectation from Tony Bloom, or the fan base, that transitioning from Hughton to another manager will suddenly transfer them into a top half club. This change is an acknowledgment that with Hughton In charge, they were more likely to be a championship club come 2020/21 than a bottom half premier league club. I think anyone looking in from the outside probably doesnt realise just how bad Brighton have been, with the same (if not improved on paper) squad as last season. Unfortunately for Hughton, who is a lovely man by all accounts, he hasn’t worked out how to built a platform to allow his teams to score goals in the prem. Playing with 10 men behind the ball, on the edge of your own box is a fine strategy against good teams, but doing it against the rest of the bottom six - with no outlet other than Glenn Murray who hasn’t got legs any more, is just inviting relegation.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: nirvana on May 13, 2019, 08:09:02 PM
Just because something might get worse isn't a good reason to not try and get better..little chance of getting better without a change I think. Hope he gets another good role somewhere though.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: rinswun on May 13, 2019, 08:29:22 PM
Spot on. If it ain’t broke, break it.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: tikay on May 14, 2019, 10:06:44 AM

Saw this on Twitter yesterday, which, to be fair, puts a different light on it..... (no idea if it is accurate).


Net Spends since June 2016 (£)

Man City: 343m
Man Utd: 310m
Chelsea: 203m
Everton: 160m
Arsenal: 148m
Brighton: 130m
Wolves: 124m
West Ham: 112m
Bourn: 104m
Fulham: 101m
Palace: 85m
Hudd: 81m
Leic: 76m
LFC: 73m
Burnley: 49m
Watford: 41m
Spurs: 31m
Newcastle: 4m
Southampton: -10m


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: Ironside on May 15, 2019, 11:20:32 AM
sounds about right we are getting relegated

-10 million seems like alot more


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: Cf on May 15, 2019, 12:17:30 PM
As a Newcastle fan I like Hughton but it's hard to argue against this being the correct decision.

I really don't get all the "be careful what you wish for", "the devil you know" etc comments. Now Brighton have made this decision because they think they'll go down next year if they don't. But even if their rationale was they wanted someone who they felt could take them to the next level then why the hell should they not do that? What is the point of sport if you're happy to just accept where you are and not improve? It might not work out but that's no reason to not try.

Newcastle got a lot of this nonsense with Pardew who has since shown himself to be what the majority of Newcastle fans said he was. And Hughton is a far better manager than Pardew will ever be - but this was still the right call.


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: Doobs on May 15, 2019, 03:09:19 PM

Saw this on Twitter yesterday, which, to be fair, puts a different light on it..... (no idea if it is accurate).


Net Spends since June 2016 (£)

Man City: 343m
Man Utd: 310m
Chelsea: 203m
Everton: 160m
Arsenal: 148m
Brighton: 130m
Wolves: 124m
West Ham: 112m
Bourn: 104m
Fulham: 101m
Palace: 85m
Hudd: 81m
Leic: 76m
LFC: 73m
Burnley: 49m
Watford: 41m
Spurs: 31m
Newcastle: 4m
Southampton: -10m

It feels a bit misleading.  The 5 and 10 year figures are here

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1)

Huddersfield, Fulham and Cardiff all spend less than Brighton over 5 years and were relegated.

The only others spending significantly less are Spurs, Burnley and Southampton.  Southampton have run good on sales, but were in danger of relegation last season.  Spurs have run golden getting Pochettino, but also ran pretty well with Gareth Bale.  Burnley just seem to be punching above their weight.   The other mid-table clubs have all spent amounts in teh same ballpark apart from Everton. 

Sure they could have done better, but they likely came from further back than the rest too.

He may well be due a sacking, but I just don't think he has clearly overspent for their position. 


Title: Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton.
Post by: DungBeetle on May 15, 2019, 09:18:12 PM
I think it’s a good decision.  Negative manager on a downward trend.  Brighton are hardly paupers and could do much better.  Put it this way I’d be horrified if Watford took Hughton due to his negative one dimensional tactics.  No reason why Brighton couldn’t have matched Watford 50 points this year.